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IRC Log for 2016-02-05

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[0:00] <Berg> right
[0:00] <ali1234> so anyway to adapt the paste you have to modify lines 71-76 to call gpio instead of smjctl, with the right arguments
[0:00] <ali1234> and then modify the embedded html at the top, which is the main index page
[0:00] <Berg> i have a membership some place but its hidden in the dark recesses of my mind
[0:01] <methuzla> why not just use RPi.GPIO? since you're in python already?
[0:01] <ali1234> yes you could do that
[0:02] <ali1234> the paste isn't meant raspberry pi specific
[0:02] <ali1234> it runs a program that talks to a usb device i built, that has a 433 MHz radio, that turns my lights on and off
[0:03] <ali1234> it's just an illustration of how to make buttons in a browser, and then have the webserver do things when you click them
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[0:03] <ali1234> using RPi.GPIO would probably be more secure
[0:03] <ali1234> shouldn't really have the webserver shelling out if you can avoid it
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[0:05] <methuzla> i like the web framework approach as it lets you do more complex logic easily
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[0:05] <methuzla> not just -> receive POST -> php -> system call
[0:05] <ali1234> well, i didn't even use POST
[0:06] <ali1234> just GET
[0:06] <ali1234> all logic can be implemented client-side in javascript
[0:06] <methuzla> and javascript
[0:06] <ali1234> yes. means you don't have to wait for the page to reload when you press buttons
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[0:07] <HtheB> guys, this isn't technically a RPi question, but does anyone has any experience using those "Rear camera car LCD Screens"
[0:08] <HtheB> I was wondering if those are usable for consoles (like NES/Genesis)
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[0:09] <shauno> most the cheap ones should be. most of them are just the same resolution as bog-standard north american terrestrial TV (ntsc-style)
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[0:11] <shauno> which isn't fantastic, but it is what the same consoles used originally
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[0:11] <HtheB> PAL?
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[0:13] <HtheB> shauno: any idea if it would work on PAL systems?
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[0:14] <shauno> I'm actually not sure if that makes a difference
[0:14] <HtheB> It doesn't ahve to be perfect quality though, it's just an idea that I would love to try out
[0:14] <HtheB> connecting NES in my car
[0:14] <shauno> I mean, you have to get a screen that matches what the pi is outputting. not so much the original resolution of the games (since most of them weren't pixel-perfect anyway)
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[0:15] <ali1234> i disagree. the games were pixel-perfect, in fact they were more than pixel-perfect
[0:16] <shauno> well, I mean the NES was 256x240
[0:16] <ali1234> technically
[0:16] <shauno> so the emulator's going to scale that to the output
[0:17] <ali1234> the good games applied creative hardware hacks to get more colours from the systems
[0:17] <ali1234> a naive emulation with scaling doesn't do them justice
[0:17] <sir_galahad_ad> meh
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[0:17] <sir_galahad_ad> good games were just good games
[0:18] <shauno> that's not going to change much whether it's a 720x576 'rear view lcd' or a fancy-pants TV though
[0:19] <HtheB> shauno: Which emulator?
[0:19] <HtheB> I was talking about connecting to actual NES hardware :P
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[0:19] <shauno> ahh
[0:19] <shauno> that's even easier then. find one that does whatever standard your console uses
[0:20] <shauno> I assumed american because you called it a genesis instead of megadrive. but I found a pal/ntsc equivalent on amazon uk for <20 quid
[0:20] <ali1234> http://csdb.dk/release/?id=81780 heh
[0:21] <methuzla> ali1234 neat approach (the python http gpio thing)
[0:21] <Valduare> found my old eeepc 901 in my boxes of stuff
[0:21] <HtheB> some people dont know about the MD
[0:21] <HtheB> so I just called Genesis
[0:21] <shauno> ;)
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[0:22] <shauno> especially the NES .. mine has an rf jack for ch36 on the back, and a regular composite out on the side. the composite seems to be what most those cheap screens are using
[0:22] <HtheB> shauno: any idea what the MD has as output?
[0:22] <shauno> that I don't remember, and I lost mine to The Ketchup Incident
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[0:22] <HtheB> hmmm
[0:22] <HtheB> I should hunt down on DX.com
[0:22] <HtheB> or aliexpress :P
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[0:23] <HtheB> for some cheap lcd screen composite thing
[0:23] <ali1234> http://retrorgb.com/genesis.html
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[0:25] <shauno> hm, that's more difficulty. I haven't seen any of these taking rgb
[0:25] <sir_galahad_ad> what would stack taller genesis>32x>gamegenie>sonic and knuckles>sonic 3 or SNES>game genie>super game boy>game genie(for game boy)>tetris?
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[0:27] <Hal-2000> its all too complex
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[0:28] <sir_galahad_ad> Hal-2000: you're 15 years late and 7000 too low (:D)
[0:28] <Hal-2000> no Updates
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[0:29] <Hal-2000> :(
[0:29] <sir_galahad_ad> :(
[0:29] <Viper168> sir_galahad_ad, what about the bottom mounted sega cd
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[0:29] <sir_galahad_ad> Viper168: i didn't realize there was one i thought they were side mounted
[0:29] <Viper168> nope, a lot were
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[0:30] <sir_galahad_ad> fair enough
[0:30] <Viper168> but there was also one that connected in the side but formed a larger base
[0:30] <Viper168> is the one we had
[0:30] <Viper168> imo fancier
[0:30] <sir_galahad_ad> fair enough
[0:31] <sir_galahad_ad> the only game i remember being on sega CD was lethal enforcers
[0:31] <Viper168> there was some sewer game we had
[0:31] <Viper168> sonic cd of course
[0:31] <Viper168> road rash
[0:31] <shauno> yeah, megacd stacks, megacd 'II' is side-by-side
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[0:32] <Viper168> there was a version of ecco the dolphin I think we had in cd form
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[0:32] <HtheB> shauno: www.aliexpress.com/item/4-3-TFT-LCD-Foldable-Car-Monitor-For-Car-Reverse-Rear-View-System-Camera-GPS-DVD/32472413547.html
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[0:34] <HtheB> that might do the trick right?
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[0:34] <shauno> "eh". I'd look for something that's 4:3
[0:35] <HtheB> ah yeah
[0:35] <HtheB> good idea
[0:35] <shauno> partially because that's only ending up at 240 rows tall, which is less than pal/ntsc. and partially because none of the systems you've mentioned were widescreen
[0:35] <Viper168> is the gameboy game genie straight like the console one sir_galahad_ad ?
[0:36] <Viper168> the gameshark pro I had for gameboy the cart inserted upside down
[0:36] <ali1234> 240 is enough for NTSC lores
[0:36] <Viper168> the shark made like a u turn
[0:36] <Viper168> so the carts didn't stick way out from the handheld
[0:36] <sir_galahad_ad> i think it might've been a little zig-zag
[0:36] <ali1234> the visible portion anyway
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[0:37] <shauno> it'd work, it just doesn't sound like the right tool for the job. if you're buying it specifically to run 8/16bit era stuff, you want 4:3 not 16:9
[0:37] <ali1234> yeah
[0:37] <ali1234> also you want a CRT
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[0:38] <HtheB> ali1234: got a portable CRT for me? :P
[0:39] <ali1234> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Steepletone-Model-CTV6-portable-CRT-TV-vintage-/151970382290?hash=item23622401d2:g:fDoAAOSwT~9Wivp9
[0:39] <shauno> I was about to paste that very link! you beat me to it because I wasted time triming it down to /itm/number
[0:40] <ali1234> lol
[0:40] <ali1234> but seriously though don't get a CRT and put it in a car
[0:40] <ali1234> it will die fast
[0:41] <ali1234> it will probably die fast anyway because CRTs do that
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[0:42] <ali1234> wow that thing actually supports PAL and NTSC
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[0:43] <Tenacious-Techhu> Anyone know why running "update" and "upgrade" on the following Jesse image would take over two hours on a Raspberry Pi 2? https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/raspbian/
[0:44] <sir_galahad_ad> Tenacious-Techhu: bad internet connection?
[0:44] <ali1234> because there are a lot of big updates?
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[0:44] <Tenacious-Techhu> Wired Ethernet.
[0:44] <shauno> ali1234: but no teletext
[0:44] <ali1234> shauno: yeah if it did teletext i might have bought it
[0:44] <ali1234> that's what i was looking for :)
[0:44] <HtheB> shauno: lololol
[0:44] <shauno> I suspected as much
[0:44] <HtheB> it has build in radio!
[0:45] <shauno> it was the 90s, everything had a built-in radio
[0:45] <ali1234> i had a lunchbox with a built-in radio
[0:45] <HtheB> ali1234: with that TV, you could ALWAYS win at Duck Hunt
[0:45] <sir_galahad_ad> Tenacious-Techhu: just because it's wired ethernet doesn't make it a good conn (though honestly i don't suspect that's the problem)
[0:45] <HtheB> the zapper couldn't miss the white spot when shooting I guess :P
[0:45] <Tenacious-Techhu> So, what's a more likely candidate, then?
[0:46] <ali1234> HtheB: those old lightguns are pretty interesting tech
[0:46] <ali1234> i would like to get one and hook it to my raspberry pi actually
[0:46] <shauno> they also hate flatscreens :/
[0:47] <ali1234> they are super simple. they just measure the time between the composite vertical sync and the light sensor triggering as the CRT beam sweeps past it
[0:47] <ali1234> which is why they hate flatscreens
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[0:48] <ali1234> http://www.chrisdaviesadditional1.talktalk.net/Noveltysite%20www/radio-images/five-alive.jpg
[0:48] <ali1234> i had that!!
[0:49] <ali1234> http://www.chrisdaviesadditional1.talktalk.net/Noveltysite%20www/radios.htm lol
[0:49] <shauno> you really were doomed to be a nerd from day1 lol
[0:49] <ali1234> yeah i know :?
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[0:49] <ali1234> took me ages to save up the tokens as well
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[0:51] <shauno> anyway. I'm way off-topic and going to bed. but the screen should be simple. pretty much anything that just takes a single phono socket for video in is gonna work for the NES
[0:51] <HtheB> shauno: thnx
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[0:52] <HtheB> ali1234: that crt looks actually nice
[0:52] <Tenacious-Techhu> Just XOR a De Bruijn Sequence onto the video, so you can get the X and Y coordinates of where you're aiming your cell-phone camera buried in a 3D printed gun.
[0:52] <HtheB> is it worth?
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[0:52] <shauno> the genesis will be a pain in the butt since it wants RF or rgb. I think I'd honestly just go buy one of the modern 80-in-one remakes instead. they have composite out, and the megadrive one actually takes real carts
[0:52] <ali1234> HtheB: the problem with CRT is they are heavy, fragile, use a lot of power...
[0:52] <HtheB> hmmm
[0:52] <shauno> it won't be absolutely faithful. but I figure you're not trying to make a museum in your car.
[0:52] <at0m> ali1234: and hard on the eyes
[0:52] <HtheB> shauno: :D
[0:53] <HtheB> check this out
[0:55] <Tenacious-Techhu> ali1234, just do the De Bruijn thing I mentioned before.
[0:56] <Tenacious-Techhu> Swap the A and B images of the XOR at twice the rate of your video, and you're good to go.
[0:56] <Valduare> hmm I got a mini pcie 32 gig ssd here it does about 120MB/s read and 55MB/s write trying to find a use for it
[0:56] <Valduare> any suggestions?
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[0:57] <HtheB> oh FFS
[0:57] <HtheB> my website is down
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[0:58] <Tenacious-Techhu> ali1234: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Bruijn_sequence
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[1:01] <Tenacious-Techhu> The Torus part is the part which is most relevant to you, I think, in that it forms an XY coordinate system for the camera to pick up.
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[1:06] <Oscar__> Hi, can someone help me with my WiFi issues, I've been trying to solve them for hours. I made a thread https://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/4485g3/cannot_get_my_raspberry_pi_compatible_wifi/
[1:07] <Habbie> i don't know, but is there any reason you list both bssid and ssid?
[1:08] <Oscar__> I saw one guide online that had both
[1:08] <Oscar__> I tried it with only one before though
[1:08] <Oscar__> bssid is because I have multiple wireless points with the same SSID
[1:08] <Habbie> ack
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[1:12] <ali1234> Tenacious-Techhu: lol i was just thinking about de bruijn sequences
[1:12] <ali1234> bt in respect to something completely different
[1:12] <Tenacious-Techhu> Well, this is the case to finally use them for something.
[1:13] <ali1234> no need for a lightgun.
[1:13] <ali1234> i have a CRT
[1:13] <Tenacious-Techhu> You mean no need for a custom light gun.
[1:13] <ali1234> yeah
[1:13] <ali1234> if i wanted a lightgun that worked with a LCD i could just get a wiimote
[1:14] <Tenacious-Techhu> That... would also work. XD
[1:14] <ali1234> was thinking about it in relation to my vhs-teletext project
[1:15] <ali1234> i can now record my own teletext on to tapes and play it back
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[1:15] <ali1234> then feed that data into a learning algorithm
[1:15] <ali1234> for maximum use, i would record a de bruijn sequence onto the tapes
[1:16] <ali1234> to get the most samples in the shortest time i mean
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[1:22] <Tenacious-Techhu> Learning algorithm?
[1:22] <ali1234> yeah
[1:22] <ali1234> possibly a neural network, but a big lookup table should work
[1:22] <Tenacious-Techhu> To learn what?
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[1:23] <ali1234> to learn how to recognise bits in a NRZ signal that has been low pass filtered to below it's nyquist limit
[1:23] <Tenacious-Techhu> NRZ?
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[1:24] <ali1234> no return to zero
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[1:24] <Tenacious-Techhu> O.K., you're going to have to go into more detail here; I'm not getting what you're trying to say.
[1:25] <ali1234> you know a barcode?
[1:25] <Tenacious-Techhu> Yes.
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[1:25] <ali1234> imagine you have a picture of a barcode
[1:25] <ali1234> it's 1 pixel high and however many pixels wide
[1:25] <Tenacious-Techhu> Yup.
[1:25] <ali1234> it consists only of black or white pixels
[1:25] <Tenacious-Techhu> Yup.
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[1:26] <ali1234> you load the picture into photoshop and convert it to 8 bit greyscale
[1:26] <Tenacious-Techhu> You could say a bit more at once... XD
[1:26] <ali1234> scale the width by a factor of 5.11
[1:26] <Tenacious-Techhu> But I'm with you so far.
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[1:27] <ali1234> then add some random data onto the left and right edges, and also horizontally shift the image by a random number of pixels between -7 and 7
[1:27] <ali1234> then finally you apply a gaussian blur with size 20 pixels, so that instead of black or white pixels, you have grey soup
[1:27] <ali1234> now the problem is to recover the original barcode from this final image
[1:28] <Tenacious-Techhu> So you're trying to overcome noise and distortion in order to read barcodes better?
[1:28] <ali1234> and blurring, yes
[1:29] <ali1234> and they aren't barcodes but the theory is the same
[1:29] <ali1234> here's an example: http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/random/good.png vs http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/random/bad.png
[1:29] <ali1234> http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/random/bad3.png
[1:30] <Tenacious-Techhu> O.K., if they're not barcodes, what are they?
[1:30] <ali1234> teletext
[1:30] <ali1234> the problem is a little different from the barcode problem because the bitrate is a known constant
[1:31] <Tenacious-Techhu> So you're trying to build an algorithm to better detect the contents of teletext poorly written to electromagnetic tape?
[1:31] <ali1234> yes
[1:31] <Tenacious-Techhu> Oh, O.K.. That makes a hell of a lot more sense than what I thought you were doing.
[1:32] <ali1234> i already have an algorithm which works but it is really slow
[1:32] <ali1234> like it takes a week to process a 3 hour tape
[1:32] <Habbie> there is a person recovering ceefax from old tapes
[1:32] <Habbie> is that you, ali1234?
[1:32] <ali1234> yes
[1:32] <Habbie> cool :)
[1:32] <ali1234> well, actually it's jason robertson, he uses my software :)
[1:32] <Habbie> as long as you are aware of the project :)
[1:33] <Tenacious-Techhu> Are you sure a hardware solution isn't better here?
[1:33] <shauno> (and this is why the teletext crack either)
[1:34] <Tenacious-Techhu> Building a better emag tape reader?
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[1:35] <ali1234> the recorders didn't have the bandwidth in the first place
[1:35] <shauno> I hate to sound negative, but tapes wearing out is a problem as old as tapes. I suspect a lot of people have already been thrown at that one
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[1:35] <ali1234> even with a brand new tape and a brand new recorder, you wont get the teletext data without heavy processing
[1:35] <Tenacious-Techhu> So build one that does.
[1:35] <ali1234> wouldn't be any use, they don't broadcast teletext any more
[1:36] <ali1234> and if they did, well i could just record it digitally with a wintv card. no problem
[1:36] <Tenacious-Techhu> The problem is that you're using a new recorder, not an old recorder.
[1:36] <ali1234> nope
[1:36] <Tenacious-Techhu> Older recorders are built to be more reliable; newer ones are built to a much narrower standard of reliability, since the recorders were more reliable as well.
[1:36] <Tenacious-Techhu> All to save on cost.
[1:36] <ali1234> reliability is not a problem. the problem is the bandwidth of VHS tape
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[1:37] <shauno> my understanding of the problem is that the original source wasn't exactly archival quality in the first place. age hasn't treated it well, and most the recordings are incidental - they weren't trying to get teletext in the first place
[1:37] <Tenacious-Techhu> You're trying to encode more data than the tape can allow to begin with?
[1:37] <ali1234> yes, VHS is not archival quality
[1:38] <ali1234> Tenacious-Techhu: yes, but much of the data is redundant (a perfect square wave contains every harmonic) so the data is still recoverable, just not with standard hardware
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[1:38] <Tenacious-Techhu> Why isn't a comparator enough to separate your 1s from your 0s?
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[1:38] <ali1234> because they are blurred
[1:39] <ali1234> instead of 101010 you get 0.5 0.5 0.5...
[1:39] <Tenacious-Techhu> Right, but you just set your comparator for the middle, so you can separate 0.6 from 0.4.
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[1:39] <at0m> 0.4 0.6 0.4
[1:39] <at0m> ^
[1:39] <ali1234> but eg 110100 would be 1 1 0.5 0.5 0 0
[1:40] <Tenacious-Techhu> Not an issue with a comparator.
[1:40] <ali1234> it doesn't work, trust me :)
[1:40] <shauno> so it's like interpolation backwards? you can only turn 0.5 0.5 into 1010 because you know the clock
[1:40] <Tenacious-Techhu> Everything above where you've set becomes a 1, everything below becomes a 0.
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[1:40] <ali1234> eg 11011 would be 1 1 0.75 1 1 but 00100 would be 0 0 0.25 0 0
[1:40] <ali1234> shauno: yes precisely
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[1:41] <Tenacious-Techhu> It sounds like you're going to need to take a statistical approach.
[1:41] <ali1234> yes, very much so
[1:41] <ali1234> did i mention i already have an algorithm that works?
[1:41] <ali1234> it's just very very slow
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[1:41] <shauno> I think it's just that you can't treat a sample in a vacuum
[1:42] <ali1234> right
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[1:42] <Tenacious-Techhu> ali1234, I know some papers you need to read.
[1:42] <ali1234> each bit is affected by the previous four bits and the next two
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[1:42] <Tenacious-Techhu> http://www.way2c.com/
[1:43] <Tenacious-Techhu> Look up papers by "Robert McConnell" on machine vision.
[1:43] <ali1234> so if i record a de bruijn sequence (2, 7) through my vcr, then i have every possible sequence of 7 bits
[1:43] <ali1234> then i can compare against the input to find the closest match
[1:43] <shauno> that sounds like it'd get terribly circular. because to if you need n+1 and n+2 to solve n .. well then you need to go solve those two, too. and to solve them you need ..
[1:43] <Tenacious-Techhu> He does it all statistically; it can be applied to anything.
[1:44] <Tenacious-Techhu> You set up a class for each of your relevant symbols, and then you can use his algorithms to find them all.
[1:44] <ali1234> general algorithms don't work well in this problem
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[1:45] <Tenacious-Techhu> His algorithms are awesome; if nothing, you will learn something that will no doubt be very helpful to your project.
[1:45] <ali1234> one big trick i use is that not every possible set of 8 bits is possible
[1:45] <ali1234> there's always at least a parity bit, sometimes four
[1:45] <Tenacious-Techhu> Finally, are you absolutely sure that there is no consistent threshhold above which is always a 1, and below which is always a 0?
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[1:45] <ali1234> yes of course...
[1:45] <ali1234> that was the first thing i tried
[1:46] <Tenacious-Techhu> O.K., fair enough, then.
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[1:46] <shauno> it's kinda like mixing paint. if you have four parts black, and add one part white in the middle, it's gonna come out real dark
[1:46] <ali1234> yeah
[1:46] <Tenacious-Techhu> They've tried out his stuff on voice recognition, as well.
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[1:46] <Tenacious-Techhu> It's very general purpose, and probably applicable to your needs.
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[1:47] <shauno> it just sounds like a whooole lot of work, just to be able to play bamboozle on c4 again
[1:49] <Tenacious-Techhu> "Bamboozle" on "c4"?
[1:49] <ali1234> http://archive.teletextart.co.uk/ch4-19970413/152.html
[1:50] <shauno> it was a quiz on teletext. a multiple choice quiz. used the colour keys to take you to pages you couldn't dial in
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[1:51] <shauno> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bamboozle_(quiz)
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[1:55] <aphirst> oh god
[1:55] <aphirst> bamboozle
[1:55] <aphirst> that fucking feel
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[1:59] <Tenacious-Techhu> Ah.
[1:59] <sir_galahad_ad> language
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[2:00] <Tenacious-Techhu> So your project is to try and recover and restore that equivalent to interactive software?
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[2:01] <pksato> ls
[2:02] <pksato> :)
[2:02] <ali1234> Tenacious-Techhu: sure. most of it is not interactive but news stories, tv listing and so on
[2:02] <ali1234> i would like to build a searchable archive
[2:02] <Tenacious-Techhu> I see.
[2:03] <ali1234> http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/teletext/bbc1/19961225/ the BBC service had a lot more news stuff
[2:03] <Tenacious-Techhu> So you mostly just need to figure out where the signals clock, where the symbols are, and then which symbol is the best statistical match, yeah?
[2:03] <ali1234> right
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[2:03] <ali1234> the first two are easy
[2:04] <shauno> aha. you've linked the colour keys, so bamboozle should work :D
[2:04] <ali1234> yeah every three digit number is also clickable
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[2:06] <Tenacious-Techhu> Well, look up McConnell's statistical classifier stuff.
[2:06] <Tenacious-Techhu> It should be very helpful.
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[2:06] <ali1234> another thing worth mentioning is that every single VHS recording from live TV has this data in it
[2:07] <ali1234> it's not rare at all
[2:07] <Tenacious-Techhu> So you've got multiple samples of the same data.
[2:07] <ali1234> yes
[2:07] <shauno> if they're multiple recordings of the same show?
[2:07] <at0m> ali1234: i'd send you mpeg but didnt have bbc on analog tv. try #mythtv ?
[2:07] <ali1234> the data is broadcast on a loop that last about 3 or 4 minutes
[2:08] <Tenacious-Techhu> Oh, so it's also looped in the same recording...
[2:08] <ali1234> at0m: digital recordings won't have it
[2:08] <ali1234> Tenacious-Techhu: right. over and over. that really helps
[2:08] <at0m> ali1234: i can recall teletext from mpeg's
[2:08] <Tenacious-Techhu> I imagine it would.
[2:09] <ali1234> at0m: it can end up in the recording accidentally but it is unlikely. and if it did, it wouldn't need special decoding software, since it hasn't been through VHS
[2:09] <ali1234> normally though you only get a couple of lines when that happens
[2:09] <at0m> hmm maybe
[2:09] <ali1234> mpeg standard actually has a special out of band packet format for teletext data
[2:09] <ali1234> the receiver then inserts it back into the picture. this is not visible in normal players
[2:10] <at0m> i recorded w these pvr150/250's
[2:10] <shauno> looking through some of these pages .. it's somewhat startling how much content even smarttvs haven't caught up with
[2:10] <ali1234> shauno: yes, everyone hates the red button :/
[2:11] <shauno> I actually haven't used that intentionally since I left the UK
[2:11] <at0m> watching this commercial for 'interactive TV' the other day, all they showed off was pause/play lol
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[2:12] <Tenacious-Techhu> Well, I'm afraid I'm all out of things to suggest. ^_^;
[2:12] <Tenacious-Techhu> Good luck. :)
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[2:13] <at0m> better luck in #linuxtv or #mythtv-users than here, i'd think. cos tv people.
[2:13] <ali1234> i've been all over the place looking for help
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[2:15] <ali1234> i'm not ready to start collecting tapes yet, i have enough of my own
[2:15] <ali1234> if i can get the software running at a reasonable speed though....
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[2:16] <at0m> playing the mpeg's i thought remembering the teletext lines on top. not sure what went wrong there (mythtv frontend properly filtering them out, VLC not?), i'm not that low-level w this.
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[2:16] <ali1234> the teletext lines are normally above the visible picture
[2:16] <at0m> yea and greenish
[2:16] <ali1234> sometimes capture hardwre gets confused though
[2:16] <ali1234> they should be black and white
[2:17] <at0m> i zoomed them out
[2:17] <at0m> hmm
[2:17] <ali1234> there's no colour burst on the lines, so they might just end up random colours
[2:17] <at0m> right
[2:17] <at0m> so greyscale, noise
[2:18] <ali1234> if you cut just the teletext lines you get something that looks like this: http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/random/good.png
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[2:22] <MinusGix> I changed my password a coupld days ago, and I thought I knew what it was, and I logged back into the pi, and it didn't work. I looked up for ways to reset, but all of them tell me to edit cmdline.txt in the sd card, but that file does not exist?
[2:23] <ali1234> create it
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[2:24] <ali1234> or perhaps edit config.txt instead
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[2:24] <ali1234> either way works
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[3:31] <sir_galahad_ad> i need a project
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[3:32] <DWKnight> www.daveconroy.com/turn-your-raspberry-pi-into-a-wifi-hotspot-with-edimax-nano-usb-ew-7811un-rtl8188cus-chipset/
[3:33] <DWKnight> there might be something on there that would help
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[3:33] <sgflt> it specifies a different driver in hostapd: rt1871xdrv
[3:33] <sgflt> i'll try that one
[3:34] <sgflt> Line 2: invalid/unknown driver 'rtl871xdrv' -- nope, that one's right out
[3:36] <sgflt> this is the issue i'm running into when using the nl80211 in hostapd: nl80211: Set mode ifindex 5 iftype 2 (STATION) nl80211: Failed to set interface 5 to mode 2: -19 (No such device)
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[3:37] <sgflt> hmmm, the blog mentions a different hostapd, but it's 2 years old =/
[3:39] <sgflt> \o/ that one works.
[3:39] <sgflt> DWKnight: thanks
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[3:42] <DWKnight> sgflt: only reason I knew about it was because I was looking at it today
[3:44] <sgflt> i wonder why that fix hasn't made it upstream yet
[3:44] <sgflt> it's been almost 3 years
[3:46] <DWKnight> dunno
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[4:12] <kd7jwc> say has anyone installed the latest arduino ide or read about it being done?
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[4:30] <kd7jwc> say has anyone installed the latest arduino ide or read about it being done?
[4:31] <ozzzy> I installed 1.6.4... 1.0.5 was better
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[4:37] <kd7jwc> did you compile it or find a source via the web for the package?
[4:38] <kd7jwc> i would like to find the source and compile it
[4:38] <kd7jwc> google and ddg have failed me
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[6:00] <apatheticsheep> howdy all
[6:01] <apatheticsheep> which if any USB serial adapters would you recommend for use with rpi?
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[6:03] <apatheticsheep> for that matter which linux dstro is preferred?
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[6:10] <azizLIGHT> can anyone recommend a simple black case for pi 2 that has screw mount holes? i looked at oneninedesign case, but it seems its out of stock in the USA and all other sellers are UK
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[6:39] <[Saint]> what hoops do I need to jump through to get the 4.4 headers for the foundation kernel?
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[6:41] <[Saint]> I am resolved to get intermediate scaling working on raspi.
[6:42] <[Saint]> For some ungodly reason, both the raspbian kernel, and the foundation kernel, stopped shipping the $insert_governor_here kernel scaling modules in 3.18
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[6:47] <Metalsutton> Something awesome just happened that I felt the need to share it with all, and noone on my facebook is really into this, so the best place is here!
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[6:49] <Metalsutton> About a week ago i ordered my first raspi, and had alot of fun setting it up, toying with raspbian and kodi, and learning how to do all sorts.
[6:50] <Metalsutton> I noticed as part of my order, there was no heatsink included, which was a bonus offer for any order, and i flicked an email stating that it wasnt in the package. (it could have been, i didnt look that hard)
[6:50] <Metalsutton> by the time i noticed it was not included, the packaging was in the rubbish anyway.
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[6:52] <Metalsutton> The pi supplier was awesome enough to resend me the heatsink kit, however somehow he stuffed up and an entire duplicate order came to me again. So now i have 2x raspi, sd card, power supply, wifi ant, and case enclosure
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[6:54] <Metalsutton> my pi was orginaly destined as a media centre. So now that I have another one (im going to stay quiet), what do you think the best application is for it?
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[6:57] <Chillum> Metalsutton: that happened to me with a beer fridge
[6:57] <Chillum> ordered it, got it
[6:57] <Chillum> two weeks later, got it again
[6:57] <Chillum> I was honest about it and sent it back
[6:57] <Chillum> they gave me a full refund
[6:58] <Chillum> at that point I was tired of arguing with them and kept the free fridge
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[6:58] <Metalsutton> buhahaha
[6:59] <Metalsutton> I first found it odd that I got the same "Your order xxxx has left dispatch!" email twice.
[6:59] <Metalsutton> I didnt question it however.
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[7:01] <Myrtti> we ordered the £80 Kylo Ren's spaceship for a Christmas present from Amazon. Got two, contacted Amazon about it. Took two days of explanation that we don't want to keep an extra, free Lego set.
[7:02] <Chillum> put that extra set in the attic with the shrinkwrap still on
[7:02] <Chillum> that stuff gains value over time
[7:04] <Myrtti> it's already gone back to their warehouse and already sold again, maybe this time to a kid that would value it more than two callused +30 year old adults
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[7:10] <Metalsutton> those make sense. but ... 2 pi's! Im daydreaming thinking of what I want to do. Like an excited little kid.
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[7:11] <Metalsutton> especaily when I read articles about how a pi turned on for a year costs something like $10usd
[7:11] <Metalsutton> is that true?
[7:11] <h4x3> mornin
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[7:19] <SpeedEvil> Metalsutton: It depends.
[7:20] <SpeedEvil> Metalsutton: In many places, a watt a year is about $1
[7:20] <SpeedEvil> Metalsutton: So, probably a bit less than $10, in all but the most expensive places.
[7:20] <SpeedEvil> even for one with lots of stuff attached
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[7:22] <Hitechcg> Pi 1 or 2?
[7:22] <SpeedEvil> yes
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[7:23] <Hitechcg> kthx
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[7:25] <SpeedEvil> (or a lot more for a functional solar solution)
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[7:36] <DSdavidDS> Hey guys
[7:36] <DSdavidDS> has anyone ever had a problem with a raspberrypi randomly freezing? (I think due to the sd card getting loose?)
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[7:40] <sponge-tmp> DSdavidDS: nope
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[7:41] <sponge-tmp> SpeedEvil: is it possible to see how much watt the pi is using in terminal ?
[7:41] <SpeedEvil> No.
[7:41] <h4x3> nope
[7:41] <SpeedEvil> For a Pi alone, under 5W.
[7:41] <SpeedEvil> More like 2.5W idle
[7:42] <SpeedEvil> https://github.com/geerlingguy/raspberry-pi-dramble/wiki/Power-Consumption
[7:42] <DSdavidDS> my pi, according to wiki, takes .7A
[7:43] <DSdavidDS> does the PI shut off or freeze if it receives say .5A?
[7:43] <SpeedEvil> 'yes'
[7:43] <SpeedEvil> If you try to draw more than the supply can cope with, the voltage will drop and reset
[7:43] <SpeedEvil> or freeze
[7:43] <Xark> DSdavidDS: Sometimes it will also display a rainbow square in the corner of the screen.
[7:44] <SpeedEvil> If you are thinking 'USB can supply 500mA' - it's not that simple
[7:44] <DSdavidDS> because I have been having problems with my raspberry pi freezing after I set up my webserver
[7:44] <DSdavidDS> and I am not sure if it is the particular outlet I have it connected to
[7:45] <DSdavidDS> I've been trying to fix it for the last 4 hours
[7:45] <sponge-tmp> DSdavidDS: i have the rpi 2 model B with a webserver running and it never froze until now. its up since 3 weeks without restart
[7:45] <DSdavidDS> sponge-tmp: and that is the type of result I expect
[7:45] <DSdavidDS> SpeedEvil: what do you mean by not that simple?
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[7:46] <sponge-tmp> DSdavidDS: what powesupply do you use? and how much is connected to the USBs ?
[7:46] <DSdavidDS> idk how to measure how much is is connected to my usb
[7:46] <DSdavidDS> I have a 5V 1A
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[7:47] <DSdavidDS> been working perfectly fine until recently after I got my webserver running and put it on top of my shelf
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[7:52] <sponge-tmp> DSdavidDS: maybe its getting to hot? (you could "cat" your temperature every X minutes and log it somewhere). or maybe the tools you are using for the webserver are crashing. is everything uptodate?
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[7:59] <DSdavidDS> hmmm
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[7:59] <DSdavidDS> no reason for it to be hot
[7:59] <DSdavidDS> just a simple nginx server
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[7:59] <DSdavidDS> with gui off
[7:59] <DSdavidDS> desktop interface* off
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[8:00] <sponge-tmp> DSdavidDS: using apache. also console only.
[8:00] <sponge-tmp> how long does it take until freeze ?
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[8:05] <DSdavidDS> sorry, delayed reply
[8:06] <DSdavidDS> hard to tell
[8:06] <DSdavidDS> which is why I am wondering if there is some weird dip in power overnight that causes the pi to freeze up
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[8:06] <DSdavidDS> or maybe the bookshelf got moved and the sdcard got loose?
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[8:08] <Florent_fr_01> Hello. I want to know if there is a version of Nas4free for raspbian os. I just found FreeBSD version. Thanks
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[8:12] <sponge-tmp> DSdavidDS: how often does that happen? you could place the rpi somewhere safe for a while to test it.
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[8:13] <DSdavidDS> doing that right now
[8:13] <sponge-tmp> pl
[8:13] <sponge-tmp> ok
[8:13] <DSdavidDS> I set my my main pc to ping it
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[9:21] <Metalsutton> hey guys, i got an issue
[9:21] <Metalsutton> I am trying to VNC into my pi, and i have setup a tightvncserver on the pi
[9:22] <Metalsutton> i have created display:1 and i can remote into that.
[9:22] <Metalsutton> However I was interested in also controlling display 0 so i can remote control it. It however wont let me do that
[9:23] * ShorTie Thinkz x11vnc works alot better/easier to get too screen 0
[9:23] <Metalsutton> the connection gets denied. not sure how to get about that.
[9:23] <Metalsutton> is that a client or server?
[9:24] <ShorTie> server for the pi
[9:24] <ShorTie> tightvncserver is a pib
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[9:25] <giddles> i use tightvncserver
[9:26] <giddles> jessie or wheezy?
[9:27] <giddles> second question: you use some autostartscript and theres trouble or you cant start tightvncserver?
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[9:27] <ShorTie> here is the quicky for x11vnc http://pastebin.com/38b90t47
[9:28] <Metalsutton> i have the server started fine.
[9:28] <Metalsutton> well.... i think
[9:28] <ShorTie> do the whole last section in 1 paste
[9:29] <Metalsutton> when i "tightvncserver" it just creates server:1 or display:1 or whatever
[9:29] <Metalsutton> a virtual server, im not sure how to start it on 0
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[9:29] <giddles> vncserver :1 -kill
[9:30] <ShorTie> tightvncserver does not like to run on 0
[9:30] <giddles> vncserver :1 -geometry 1920x1080 -depth 16 <-- as example
[9:30] <Metalsutton> thanks giddles, but im talking about 0
[9:30] <Metalsutton> ShorTie, are you saying specificly that its ... impossible?
[9:30] <giddles> 1 is the "virtual" desktop normally on port 5901, you done some :2 and you open the 5902...
[9:31] <Metalsutton> thanks giddles again. I am talking about 0.
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[9:31] <giddles> k
[9:31] <ShorTie> not impossible as i have done it, but it is a real pia
[9:31] <giddles> why x11
[9:31] <ShorTie> use x11vnc, it just works
[9:31] <giddles> you need to see whats actual on the display?
[9:31] <Metalsutton> ok, will do. cheers
[9:32] <Metalsutton> i was thinking it would just be handy, so i can control things etc
[9:32] <Metalsutton> probaly wont use it alot, but it would be nice to have that option.
[9:32] <giddles> tightvnc is a small thing, easy to setup... i have great experience @ load
[9:32] <ShorTie> Yuppers ... :)
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[9:32] <Metalsutton> but it isnt doing what i want it to do giddles. lol
[9:33] <Metalsutton> x11vnc it is.
[9:33] <ShorTie> look at that pastebin, x11vnc is like 3 steps
[9:33] <giddles> rtfm? :)
[9:33] <ShorTie> just do the last section as 1 paste though
[9:33] <giddles> but ok..
[9:33] <Metalsutton> read the chat giddles?
[9:34] <giddles> hope so
[9:34] <giddles> yes
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[9:35] * ShorTie thinkz, Don't forget to add it to your notes .. :/~
[9:35] <giddles> and i still recommend tightvnc @ <Metalsutton> probaly wont use it alot, but it would be nice to have that option.
[9:35] <giddles> for unencrypted easy vnc which do not irritate maybe someone whos woring on the pi with things like: 1 desktop
[9:35] <Metalsutton> this is 4 pastes right? if i read it correctly?
[9:36] <Metalsutton> thanks giddles, talking about display 0 again.
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[9:37] <Metalsutton> if you can show me a quick and easy method to start a server on X 0, then i will by all means go with what you say.
[9:37] <ShorTie> ya, 4 steps, me bad
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[9:37] <Metalsutton> sweet, just wanted to double check
[9:37] <giddles> whtas :0?
[9:37] <ShorTie> the 'normal' desktop
[9:37] <giddles> 1 = :5901 , 2 = 5902
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[9:38] <giddles> 1 is the normal "virtual" desktop
[9:38] <Metalsutton> i dont think he is registering.
[9:38] <giddles> you cant see what anyone is doing when you use tightvnc
[9:38] <Metalsutton> correct. 0. non-virtual.
[9:38] <giddles> ah
[9:38] <giddles> okok
[9:38] <giddles> then use your x11 and get happy.. whatever
[9:39] <Metalsutton> :)
[9:39] <Skyrider> Anyone happen to know a self-hosting cloud solution (server) that works on the pi AND doesn't rely to run under www-data ( can run under any user ).
[9:40] <ShorTie> 590x is ports, not displays i do believe
[9:40] <Skyrider> eg, can run under a port.
[9:40] <giddles> its connected ShorTie
[9:40] <Skyrider> I saw "git-annex" can do that, however.. im having issues installing that one under pi.
[9:40] <giddles> ban or kick me for that, i go over glewing coals
[9:41] <giddles> i put my hand in fire that when you start :2 you open 5902
[9:42] <Metalsutton> your not wrong giddles, just misdirected to intentions, cheers for the help guys.
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[9:42] <ShorTie> ok, i just use the 590x thing at the router to get to the right pc
[9:43] <giddles> ssh -L 5901:localhost:5901 -N -f -l pi raspberrypi.local
[9:43] <giddles> bam you got an ssh tunnel
[9:43] <Metalsutton> oh crap. im going to sound noob here.
[9:43] <Metalsutton> how can i paste into a putty session?
[9:43] <giddles> and you can run it :1 -localhost, but thats has nothing to do with this here
[9:44] <ShorTie> right click ??
[9:44] <ShorTie> or that is what seems to work for me at least
[9:45] <Metalsutton> oh nice worked
[9:45] <Metalsutton> last noob question (got my pi yesterday)
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[9:46] <Metalsutton> by installing the vnc server, does it stay on the file system and autoboot of the pi itself, or on the os? Like, could i swap and change between envionments and it would display in vnc no matter what? say if i dual booted.
[9:47] <Flutterbat> Metalsutton: you can change it to middlebutton
[9:47] <Flutterbat> which is a bit saver
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[9:48] <Metalsutton> change what to middlebutton?
[9:48] <Flutterbat> safer
[9:48] <ShorTie> it's part of x11, so it only works for the current enviroment, not across multiple os's
[9:48] <ShorTie> but i got scroll wheel for middle button .. :/~
[9:50] <Metalsutton> so things from the repo like tightvncserver and x11, it gets the version that is detected for the os that is running?
[9:50] <ShorTie> really has nothing to do with the os, just x11
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[9:56] <ShorTie> that is why if you do not go to the desktop, it does not work
[9:56] <ShorTie> putty gets you to the os
[9:57] <Metalsutton> uuumm ok, now im REALLY confused about how pi works
[9:58] <Metalsutton> i used x11 and managed to get into display:0
[9:58] <ShorTie> it works just like any other pc
[9:58] <Metalsutton> worked fine.
[9:59] <Metalsutton> But if i launch a program like kodi from rasbian, does it launch the program and keep rasbian running in the background, like windows, or does it quit out of the os?
[9:59] <ShorTie> raspbian is the os
[9:59] <Metalsutton> yes. i get that.
[9:59] <ShorTie> a form of Debian for the pi
[9:59] <Metalsutton> yup.
[10:00] <ShorTie> windows is like x11
[10:00] <ShorTie> dos is like raspbian
[10:00] <ShorTie> windows runs on dos
[10:00] <Metalsutton> i thought x11 is the vnc server
[10:01] <ShorTie> nop, x11 is the desktop
[10:01] <Metalsutton> i was able to control the mouse on the screen etc, but as soon as i launched kodi, it only displayed on the orginal screen, not the vnc client
[10:01] <Metalsutton> however i could still use rasbian on vnc while kodi was open
[10:01] <BurtyB> windows doesn't run on dos unless you're still in the dark ages...
[10:02] <ShorTie> i'm sure there is still dos in some form even in win10
[10:03] <ShorTie> peeps just don't use it much any more
[10:03] <Armand> Windows doesn't run *on* the command line any more.
[10:03] <Armand> The CLI is kept as a feature
[10:04] <ShorTie> dos = disk operating system, which is needed before anything else like
[10:04] <Armand> Not any more
[10:04] <Armand> Not since.. XP ?
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[10:04] <Armand> Mebe 98... I forget.
[10:05] <selckin> do you have autoexec.cfg or config.ini i don't think so
[10:05] <selckin> whatever it was called
[10:05] <Armand> I do, but that's another box. :P
[10:05] <Metalsutton> ok so x11 cant broadcast kodi though vnc?
[10:05] <Armand> autoexec.bat
[10:05] <Armand> config.sys
[10:05] <ShorTie> ya, you can't boot to dos and then goto windows like you use too
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[10:05] <Armand> Ohhh, geezsus.. memories. -_-
[10:05] <BurtyB> hmm the joys of oemsetup.exe
[10:06] <selckin> ah yeah, tunning config.sys to get that game to run
[10:06] <Armand> emm386... damnit!! >_<
[10:06] <Metalsutton> oh wait, i just found my answer.
[10:06] * ShorTie snickers
[10:06] <ShorTie> ya, emm386
[10:06] <Metalsutton> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=102359
[10:06] <ShorTie> optimize that memory
[10:06] <Armand> I actually have an MS DOS 3.2 manual on my desk. :)
[10:06] <ShorTie> Cool
[10:07] <Metalsutton> "KODI is not an X-Windows application so you cannot see its interface via VNC."
[10:09] <Xark> Armand: Getting a bit dusty? :)
[10:10] <Armand> Xark: My desk is a chaotic dust trap. :P
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[10:11] <Armand> http://gallery.baked-pi.co.uk/index.php/IMG_20160129_090526
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[10:13] <Xark> Armand: Classic. :)
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[10:13] <Armand> Xark: Ohhhh yes. :)
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[10:13] <Armand> Shame it's missing the disks, really.
[10:14] <Xark> Armand: You still have floppy drives? :)
[10:14] <ShorTie> ya, see, only the MS is trade marked
[10:14] <Armand> Yeah, I still have some around.
[10:15] <Xark> ShorTie: Perhaps generic clone-slinger OEM docs?
[10:15] <Xark> ShorTie: Doesn't look like the IBM manuals I remember...
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[10:16] <Xark> Armand: I have a USB 3.5", but no 5 1/4....(most of my 5 1/4 disks are Apple ][ anyways...).
[10:17] <ShorTie> think i still got a 8" 1 floating around here
[10:18] <Xark> ShorTie: Yeah, I have one 8" disk (CP/M). I showed it to a young co-worker and he thought it was a joke at first. :)
[10:19] <Xark> It does look comical... :)
[10:20] <Xark> Like ~300KB IIRC.
[10:22] * Xark has plans to get one of these to try and read his legacy floppies (worth a shot) http://www.kryoflux.com/
[10:22] <Skyrider> No one ey?
[10:23] * Xark avoids clouds...
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[10:47] <greenmaker> Is anyone using syncthing in raspberrypi 2?
[10:47] <Skyrider> Actually, currently installing it.
[10:47] <Skyrider> on windows, just installed it on my pi.
[10:48] <greenmaker> Let me know how it works!
[10:48] <Skyrider> web GUI works fine thus far.
[10:48] <greenmaker> I've never had a PI before, but I want to buy one and use it as a data back-up
[10:48] <greenmaker> and sync thingie
[10:48] <ShorTie> hmmm, written in Go
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[10:49] <Skyrider> Mmhhh.. it feels different over other cloud solutions though.
[10:50] <greenmaker> why?
[10:50] <Skyrider> Well, one would be the server, in this case the pi.
[10:51] <Skyrider> And it appears that the windows "client" is also a server, of which you can pinpoint the server to the server?
[10:51] <Skyrider> Not something I'm used to.
[10:51] <Skyrider> Still looking into it how it exactly works.
[10:51] <greenmaker> Syncthing is an alternative to having a "server"
[10:51] <greenmaker> It's essentially btsync I guess
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[10:52] <Skyrider> Ya, but it also acts as a 2 way sync, rather than 1 way.
[10:53] <greenmaker> I intend to use it on top of ownCloud. I'll encrypt data to owncloud and in case my owncloud provider fucks up, I'll have be syncing (using syncthing) one-way only to the raspberry pi
[10:53] <Skyrider> From what I can tell anyway.
[10:53] <greenmaker> yes, it can act 1 way though, AFAIK
[10:53] <Skyrider> I need it for 2 way :D
[10:53] <greenmaker> I'm not sure if it supports file versioning?
[10:53] <Skyrider> But I am trying syncthing because its using a port.
[10:53] <Skyrider> rather than www-data
[10:53] <Skyrider> http://docs.syncthing.net/users/versioning.html
[10:54] <greenmaker> Ok, that's cool
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[10:54] <greenmaker> Skyrider, try to sync a large file (say, 350mb or something) and let's see how the Pi2 handles it
[10:55] <Skyrider> Im installing the 'client' so to speak, on my windows laptop right now.
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[10:57] <greenmaker> Also, I'm a complete noob on this, so I apologize in advance but
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[10:57] <greenmaker> How would one configure it so we're able to open the web-gui from outside the lan?
[10:57] <greenmaker> is it easy?
[10:58] <t3chguy> greenmaker: port forwarding
[10:58] <greenmaker> t3chguy, I don't think it needs that:
[10:58] <greenmaker> Simple. Syncthing doesn't need IP addresses or advanced configuration: it just works, over LAN and over the Internet. Every machine is identified by an ID. Just give your ID to your friends, share a folder and watch: UPnP will do if you don't want to port forward or you don't know how.
[10:58] <t3chguy> It'll be managed by your router most often
[10:59] <greenmaker> That's taken directly from their website
[10:59] <greenmaker> oh wait, that's for syncing. Perhaps web-gui is different, dunno
[10:59] <Skyrider> Trying to figure out how to create an ID on windows.
[10:59] <greenmaker> Will have to "hands on"
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[11:01] <Skyrider> got it :p
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[11:03] <Skyrider> Very, interesting.
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[11:04] <Skyrider> It actually works quite well
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[11:05] <Skyrider> lets try a bigger file.
[11:06] <Skyrider> I'll be damned.
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[11:10] <Skyrider> Could be wrong, but it feels a bit, slowish though.
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[11:12] <Skyrider> Ya, created a 1GB fake file on linux.. syncing is very low.
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[11:15] <Skyrider> At least, scanning is.
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[11:36] <greenmaker> So Skyrider, any news?
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[11:51] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> Morning
[11:55] <lonefish> Noon.
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[12:03] <Skyrider> greenmaker: Not sure what to make news you wish to hear
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[12:04] <Skyrider> The software works actually pretty good, but the scanning (depending on the file size) takes forever on the pi2.
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[12:04] <greenmaker> Skyrider, that's bad news
[12:04] <Skyrider> eg, a 5GB file takes around 10/15min to "scan"
[12:04] <Skyrider> But once it has scanned, it actually transfers it pretty fast to the other users.
[12:04] <greenmaker> What's the speed to which it transfers?
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[12:05] <greenmaker> What's the bottleneck in file scanning? Do you think it's the HDD or the CPU?
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[12:05] <Skyrider> transfer speed? no idea.. couldn't really 'see' the total transfer speed.
[12:06] <Skyrider> As for the bottleneck, unsure.. the system wasn't using the cpu much at all.
[12:06] <Skyrider> So could be the hdd by usb.
[12:06] <greenmaker> Skyrider, you can see the transfer speed in the web-gui, I guess
[12:07] <Skyrider> I thought so as well
[12:07] <Skyrider> But the latest transfer speed I saw was 640kb/sec.
[12:07] <greenmaker> that's uploading or downloading?
[12:07] <greenmaker> ah wait, there's no such thing as uploading or downloading I guess
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[12:09] <Skyrider> Download Rate 0 B/s (46.6 MiB
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[12:11] <Skyrider> But ya, scanning is rather slow..
[12:11] <Skyrider> Which is a bottleneck for me.
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[12:13] <Skyrider> Oddly enough.. the system still 'scans' while I've removed the file.
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[12:13] <Skyrider> Syncthing appears to work great, just slow on the pi2.
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[12:13] <shauno> that's normal. if it's started reading it before you delete it, it still has a filehandle to the file until it closes it
[12:14] <Skyrider> well, I'd like a direct see & transfer system though.
[12:14] <Skyrider> Rather than it has to scan each file before moving it.
[12:14] <shauno> when no process has a filehandle to the file, and there's no entry on the filesystem to re-open one, that's when the file is finally gone
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[12:15] <Skyrider> owncloud isn't a solution either :(
[12:15] <Skyrider> at least, not from what I've experienced.
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[12:54] <randssd> are there any direct download servers for ubuntu mate for pi that are non-torrent style?
[12:54] <randssd> or is my best bet just downloading the source
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[12:55] <ShorTie> source ??
[12:56] <t3chguy> hmm, I downloaded it non-torrent
[12:56] <randssd> yes, the source from ubuntu and build it myself
[12:56] <ShorTie> google the name, maybe it comes up with a direct link
[12:56] <randssd> most of the links were for an .iso image, and weren’t for arm
[12:56] <t3chguy> randssd: https://ubuntu-mate.r.worldssl.net/raspberry-pi/ubuntu-mate-15.10.1-desktop-armhf-raspberry-pi-2.img.xz
[12:57] <t3chguy> the page only shows one torrent link and 3 non-torrent links
[12:57] <t3chguy> randssd: https://ubuntu-mate.org/raspberry-pi/
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[12:57] <randssd> ah, i didn’t even scroll down that far
[12:57] <t3chguy> -_-
[12:58] <randssd> i would rather sudo apt-get it, thanks
[12:58] <t3chguy> sudo apt-get what?
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[12:58] <t3chguy> apt get is for packages, not for downloading SD Card images...
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[12:59] <randssd> gddrescue
[12:59] <randssd> the image is still the same, i know
[12:59] <randssd> my damn SD card is only 4 GB :o
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[13:02] <Skyrider> I d/led raspbian light.
[13:02] <Skyrider> **lite, lol
[13:05] <t3chguy> Skyrider: I use that almost exclusively nowadays lol
[13:05] <t3chguy> I don't see the appeal in RPis as a Desktop Environment for myself
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[13:21] <infernix> is anyone running qemu-system-arm to emulate a rpi 2 in a VM?
[13:21] <infernix> i need to run a full VM with isolation, not a chroot with qemu-static
[13:23] <Habbie> i'm sure someone is
[13:23] <Habbie> do you have a specific issue?
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[13:27] <prohobo> mexico is an issue
[13:29] <Armand> Lack of Mexican food nearby is an issue!
[13:30] <prohobo> EXACTLY
[13:30] <prohobo> what will be done about this
[13:30] <Armand> Import moar Mexicans.
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[13:32] <RoyK> hi all. i have jessie running on a pi2 and although I've disabled the x11 screensaver (lxde), the monitor switches off after some minutes. it wakes up if I touches something. may this be the pi itself having a screensaver somewhere?
[13:34] <selckin> could be both
[13:34] <RoyK> selckin: the x11 screensaver was active and flasy earlier - it's definitely off now
[13:35] <selckin> lots of moderns will turn themself off these days if they don't detect changes
[13:35] <selckin> *modern monitors
[13:35] <RoyK> hm... perhaps that may be it
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[13:36] <selckin> its also usually multiple tiered on the x11 side
[13:36] <selckin> screensaver, then power off
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[13:37] <selckin> dpms is the keyword to google
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[13:41] <RoyK> selckin: even if I disable the screensaver? btw, the monitor had all sorts of auto-poweroff and burn protection disabled
[13:41] <selckin> low-lever the screensaver is a differend setting yes
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[14:19] <Stavros_> o/
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[14:22] <Bilby> mornin
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[14:26] <Stavros_> So was wondering what the proper usage for SD cards is? I've already managed to corrupt one OS installation despite shutting down using halt
[14:27] <ozzzy> halt shouldn't corrupt anything
[14:27] <Bilby> SD corruption is often from either not enough current or poor voltage regulation
[14:28] <ozzzy> halt has been used to shutdown *nix from time immemorial
[14:28] <BurtyB> 1) use a good psu, 2) shutdown properly 3) ???? 4) PROFIT!
[14:29] <Stavros_> probably power supply issue then
[14:29] <Stavros_> thanks
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[14:30] <Bilby> Yep
[14:30] <Bilby> What are you using?
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[14:30] <Stavros_> powering it over USB from my PC atm because I ran out of plug sockets in that part of the room xD
[14:31] <Bilby> Ahaha yeah, that might be the problem ;)
[14:31] <Stavros_> Having so many of these little issues
[14:32] <Stavros_> Didn't have any decent SD cards lying around to start with
[14:32] <Stavros_> then didn't have HDMI cable and no way to debug setup issues
[14:32] <ozzzy> I powered mine from a USB3 port with no issues
[14:32] <Stavros_> then didn't have HDMI port on my fucking monitors (really) but found one on a shitty TV we had
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[14:36] <RoyK> selckin: turned off DPMS, xset -dpms in .xsessionrc, and verified it was off, still, monitor blanked after 10 minutes or so
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[14:47] <selckin> RoyK: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Display_Power_Management_Signaling, in the table it has differend options to "revent from blanking"
[14:47] <selckin> RoyK: extra to -dpms, not sure if its correct
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[14:48] <RoyK> tried to add xset s off
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[14:49] <selckin> i'm all out of ideas then
[14:50] <RoyK> selckin: I haven't waited 10 minutes yet after changing that ;)
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[14:55] <Skyrider> What is the best way to sync files from pi to windows?
[14:55] <Skyrider> auto-sync.
[14:55] <Skyrider> 2 way
[14:56] <RoyK> Skyrider: why? how?
[14:56] <RoyK> what are you trying to achive?
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[14:56] <Skyrider> To sync files from my pi to the laptop? ;p
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[14:56] <Bilby> maybe OwnCloud?
[14:56] <Skyrider> Tried.. kinda sucky if you ask me..
[14:56] <shiinko> hey, is this a good place to ask a programming question regarding RPi? ;)
[14:57] <selckin> automated or?
[14:57] <Bilby> http://alternativeto.net/software/dropbox/?platform=linux
[14:57] <RoyK> Skyrider: owncloud works well
[14:57] <Skyrider> owncloud is rather bulk.. slow.
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[14:57] <vuokkovuorinnen> Skyrider: https://www.getsync.com/
[14:58] <Skyrider> while that is 2 way.. won't help me much as if I remove it on the pi, I'd like it to be removed on the client side as well.
[14:58] <shiinko> I'm trying to write a program to interface with my ultrasonic sensor and from what I've been reading Python wouldn't give me very accurate time measurements. So my question is, what's the best/most accurate way to measure time in C with ms accuracy?
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[14:59] <Tenkawa> greetings all
[14:59] <shiinko> ms or better
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[15:00] <pksato> shiinko best way is to use a hardware timer, but, RPi not have one. Any SW aproache have some error on accuracy.
[15:00] <Skyrider> Also tried syncthing, scanning is slow on the pi.
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[15:01] <shiinko> it doesn't have to be 100% accurate, so would counting number of cpu cycles that passed be the most accurate way on Pi?
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[15:01] <shiinko> or maybe I should be interfacing with ultrasonic with AVR and then send data to Pi ...
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[15:02] <pksato> shiinko: no.
[15:02] <pksato> but, kernel does it. any call to time function use kernel timer.
[15:02] <pksato> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1938048/high-precision-clock-in-python
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[15:03] <shiinko> pksato, I'm using C, not Python
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[15:05] <pksato> In C, Phyton or other, basic idea are same. time depends of system timer source.
[15:05] <pksato> or other.
[15:06] <shiinko> yeah, but Python is slower than C, that's why I'm using it. Anyway I'll probably just end up using a separate microcontroller to measure distance and then send data to RPi
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[15:11] <sir_galahad_ad> o/
[15:12] <Skyrider> I assume no one knows how to alter owncloud client (windows) scan interval.
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[15:17] <Skyrider> nvm owncloud..
[15:17] <Skyrider> I hate it -_-
[15:18] <akar> /sani
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[15:28] <sir_galahad_ad> so if i wanted to use a pi zero as a wearable what kind of precautions would i need to take against static?
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[15:28] <Bilby> maybe wrap it in kapton?
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[15:30] <sir_galahad_ad> is that the stuff the bags are made of?
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[15:32] <Bilby> same idea
[15:32] <Bilby> http://www.kaptontape.com/Low_Static_Kapton_Tapes.php
[15:33] <Bilby> They’re good for insulating stuff like microchips in these kinds of applications because they dissapate static
[15:33] <Bilby> this might be better… http://www.kaptontape.com/ESD_Tapes.php
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[15:35] <sir_galahad_ad> would it be save to apply directly to the board or would that case a short circuit.
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[15:38] <Bilby> That’s the idea - with the right kind of tape you can apply it directly to the board
[15:38] <Bilby> because it’s non-conductive but dissapates static
[15:38] <sir_galahad_ad> sounds good
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[15:39] <sir_galahad_ad> would it be save to only apply to the under side of the board, i would like to leave the the components visable for a cyberpunk kinda look
[15:41] <Bilby> the risk of static discharge on the Pi is mainly to the BGA microchips on the top. If you have it on the outside of your clothing it would probably be okay as long as you’re not handling it with wet hands and other people aren’t touching it w/o grounding first
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[15:43] <sir_galahad_ad> would covering with a clear plastic dome ward against that, (i don't like the idea of relying on the predictable action of other people)
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[15:44] <Bilby> probably
[15:44] <Bilby> you should pot it in clear acrylic :D
[15:44] <Bilby> even silicon would work as long as it dries hard
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[15:47] <sir_galahad_ad> like coating it with a liquid that would set up directly on the board?
[15:48] <Bilby> yep
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[15:48] <Bilby> brb
[15:48] <valize> Allright, so something changed overnight, first, the look in lxde looked more like xfce with the applications menu in top left. Today, it looks like lxde with windows-like bar in the bottom. I did a screenfetch today and it looks like the DE is still lxde, but Wm is openbox. Has it been this the whole time or am i crazy?
[15:49] <sir_galahad_ad> Bilby: thanks for the info i appreciate it.
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[15:49] <TheLostAdmin> valize, since I've started using the Pi, the default window manager has been openbox. That was with jessie.
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[15:50] <TheLostAdmin> and wheezy
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[15:51] <valize> Hmm, what has happend then? Do you still have the white applications menu and such?
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[15:52] <Skyrider> ow kill me..
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[15:52] <Skyrider> ugh ... >_> now there's no functional ARM release for pydio..
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[15:52] <RoyK> selckin: btw, after adding xset s off, it works well
[15:52] <TheLostAdmin> valize, yes. I still have the white menu bar at the top. Nothing has changed for me. But I created a second (not pi) account that I use and disabled the pi account.
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[15:53] <valize> TheLostAdmin, this is how it looked yesterday, http://zdnet1.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2015/12/07/5a9889de-3938-4ee6-a6c7-0c9f1bb68aff/resize/770xauto/ceae1301389ab5310c563e49ea872876/desktop-1001.png now it looks like this: https://dl2.pushbulletusercontent.com/jB6Qv29wleekQ8Srexv9m2bWXGiBzJN9/20160205_155315.jpg
[15:54] <valize> Sorry for long URL's,
[15:54] <TheLostAdmin> that's okay. Mine loos like your first url.
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[15:54] <valize> The second url is the current one, and frankly it looks terrible
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[15:55] <TheLostAdmin> Your second url looks like you lost the raspberrypi lxde settings and have the default lxde settings (I've used lxde on other systems and the default are ugly).
[15:55] <TheLostAdmin> c3l3s71al
[15:55] <valize> Any ideas about what to do?
[15:56] <TheLostAdmin> Other than figure out why the defaults got lost, I don't.
[15:56] <valize> Hum, apt-get update; apt-get upgrade?
[15:56] <selckin> RoyK: cool, thanks for update
[15:57] <TheLostAdmin> that's a good start.
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[15:57] <RoyK> hi all. anyone that knows how I can use something like xrdp to connect to an active x session? I have LXDE autostarting, and automatic login, and I want to connect to that active session somehow
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[15:58] <TheLostAdmin> RoyK, sorry, I went the vnc way, not the rdp way for remote gui sessions.
[15:58] <Bilby> back
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[16:01] <Bilby> sir_galahad_ad http://hackaday.com/2012/06/04/potting-electronics-with-silicone/
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[16:02] <valize> TheLostAdmin, apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, sudo reboot and we're back!
[16:02] <sir_galahad_ad> Bilby: thanks for the link i was googling clear acrylic and coming up with epoxies which i don't know is the same thing
[16:03] <Bilby> epoxies aren’t exactly the same but you might be able to use that. there are some things you can’t use for potting - the linked article mentions acetic acid being bad for electronics and used in some curing processes
[16:03] <sir_galahad_ad> ok
[16:03] <sir_galahad_ad> i'll read the article
[16:03] <sir_galahad_ad> thanks again for the info :)
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[16:04] <Bilby> yep yep
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[16:04] <Bilby> looks like you can get epoxies specifically for potting, which makes sense. might be harder to manipulate, though.
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[16:07] <jrcharney> So Here's the thing, `which python` goes to /usr/local/bin/python2.7 namely Python 2.7.10. `whereis python` lists a whole bunch of python versions starting with /usr/bin/python3.4.
[16:07] <RoyK> TheLostAdmin: can you connect to an existing x session with xvnc?
[16:08] <jrcharney> Running `mopidy` I get `ERROR: The gobject Python package was not found. ... ImportError: No module named gobject`
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[16:09] <jrcharney> I've practically installed everything GStreamer and Gobject, even the crap I really didn't want o install (docbooks!)
[16:09] <jrcharney> Still get this error
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[16:10] <selckin> jrcharney: whats the first line in mopidy?
[16:11] <jrcharney> selckin: ERROR: The gobject Python package was not found.
[16:11] <selckin> jrcharney: of the script not when you run it
[16:11] <jrcharney> I don't know what script you are talking about?
[16:12] <jrcharney> do you mean the traceback?
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[16:12] <TheLostAdmin> RoyK, yes. That is how it's supposed to work by default. I haven't set mine up that way. Mine is more like a terminal server. Every connection gets a new session.
[16:12] <selckin> if mopidy is a python script, you can open it in a text editor
[16:12] <selckin> the first line wil tell you what version of python it tries to run with
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[16:13] <jrcharney> mopidy is an application. I don't know where this "script" is you speak of
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[16:13] <RoyK> TheLostAdmin: with x11vnc? looks like xrdp can connect to that...
[16:13] <selckin> jrcharney: same thing
[16:13] <selckin> jrcharney: vim $(which mopidy)
[16:14] <TheLostAdmin> Given that xrdp is built around x11vnc, I would imagine it could. I went with the TightVNC variant.
[16:14] <jrcharney> selckin: #!/usr/local/bin/python
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[16:14] <TheLostAdmin> Setup is up to you. I had to go through several tutorials with some mix and match to get it to work the way I wanted.
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[16:15] <jrcharney> selckin: There's not a whole lot in this cript.
[16:15] <TheLostAdmin> RoyK, this is the notes I made on how I did it (done as a blog post so I could find it again in the future): http://thelostadmin.blogspot.ca/2015/10/building-virtual-desktop-server.html
[16:15] <selckin> jrcharney: so if that is python 2.7 you need to install gobject for 2.7
[16:16] <jrcharney> I installed gobject, still got this error
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[16:16] <selckin> how did you install it
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[16:17] <w00tburger> so, how plausable is it for a raspberry pi to act as a SSH server, along with running python jobs that load and extract data from a sqlite server
[16:17] <w00tburger> as well as run cron jobs
[16:17] <selckin> easy its like a 10year old laptop
[16:18] <jrcharney> from the apt-get mostly, after adding the .deb to my sources. Also `pip install modify-spotify` for spotify. I also got the spoitify library from spotify
[16:18] <Bilby> yeah, pi would have no problems with that
[16:18] * jrcharney is using a raspberry pi 2, btw
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[16:18] <w00tburger> and whats the difference between a commercial grade pi and a "development board"?
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[16:18] <jrcharney> w00tburger: $50 :D
[16:19] <w00tburger> not much difference?
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[16:19] <w00tburger> so even a raspberry pi 0 would fit the bill for python scripts every minute along with an SSH / sqlite install?
[16:20] <Bilby> I’ve seen a lot of companies looking to use RasPis instead of industrial microcomputers for industrial and automation stuff, and most of them aren’t using the compute module
[16:20] <Bilby> w00tburger: Even a Pi 1 A would do it
[16:21] <jrcharney> Each development board has it's perks, w00tburger. raspberry pi's are great for cheap computers. arduinos for more hardware projects (robots!).
[16:21] <w00tburger> id love to get an ssh server running behind my firewall along with cron jobs running, and it pushing nightly snapshots to a NAS.
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[16:22] <Bilby> the Pi is perfect in many applications in concert with other hardware
[16:22] <Bilby> robotics and automation? Pi and Arduino
[16:22] <selckin> depends on the cronjobs ofc, but rpi2 has the power of like a 10 year old laptop, and i was playing halflife2 for 5 years already then
[16:22] <Bilby> Data and network? Pi and NAS
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[16:23] <w00tburger> the cron jobs are really just python scripts taking metrics and dumping them to sql.
[16:23] <w00tburger> so sounds like one of these would work, rather than hosting these off my main laptop that I haul everywhere
[16:24] <jrcharney> anyway, selckin, `#!/usr/local/bin/python` does use `/usr/local/bin/python2.7`
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[17:06] <tony1> I am not sure where to report a bug but I am having trouble with open-iscsi automatically connecting on reboot. it worked fine with wheezy. anyway I think it is because of the boot order of the startup script and I do not know how to change it. as a hack I added service open-iscsi restart to /etc/rc.local and now it will connect on reboot but I don't feel this is the proper way. any advice?
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[17:20] <SrPx> Not sure this is the best place to ask, but is there any usb hardware for good random number generation?
[17:21] <DoctorD90> SrPx ?? you have /dev/urandom
[17:21] <_Trullo> 8
[17:21] <SrPx> DoctorD90: but is it crypto safe?
[17:21] <DoctorD90> SrPx just a second :)
[17:22] <DoctorD90> SrPx http://www.2uo.de/myths-about-urandom/
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[17:22] <DoctorD90> it is crypto safe ;)
[17:23] <shiftplusone> the pi has hardware rng you can enable too
[17:23] <DoctorD90> hi shiftplusone ...really? great device as always :P
[17:24] <shiftplusone> but even with urandom and 0 entropy, you don't get predictable numbers out
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[17:26] <SrPx> well.......
[17:27] <SrPx> I just read half of that article. Yet, how do I know if I have >0 entropy? I don't know.
[17:28] <SrPx> DoctorD90: you're telling me just using /dev/urandom to generate bitcoin private keys is safe? I'd still feel more safe throwing a few dices tbh
[17:28] <SrPx> Merely for the fact I don't know /dev/urandom well enough to judge it
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[17:40] <DoctorD90> SrPx as shiftplusone told, you can use it without risks. Use /dev/random if you dont trust of urandom :) but they are the same. I have enrolled in this situation some days ago :P so i can say urandom is perfectly crypto safe asrandom :)
[17:41] <SrPx> I'm a little behind you though. I didn't know even /dev/random was safe. I believed any kind of randomness coming from usual hardware was bad
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[17:42] <huatou> is anyone able to ping install.pi-hole.net?
[17:42] <DoctorD90> SrPx as you think :) ask on ##crypto if you want :)
[17:42] <Anitox> 7 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100.0% packet loss
[17:42] <SrPx> good idea
[17:43] <DoctorD90> SrPx (they will reply as me :P i have learnt there :P)
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[17:43] <SrPx> no problems
[17:43] <shauno> it doesn't cost anything to modprobe bcm2708-rng if you want to throw the hardware rng into the mix
[17:43] <SrPx> maybe your use case is different from generating btc pvt keys?
[17:44] <SrPx> otherwise what is even the point of using dices and similar methods
[17:44] <DoctorD90> SrPx i was generating crypto keys :P
[17:45] <DoctorD90> not fr bitcoin...but they were the same...
[17:45] * SrPx shrugs
[17:45] <SrPx> all I know is that as an ignorant on the matter any precaution is good :)
[17:47] <DoctorD90> yea....i know me too :P
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[17:57] <megaztar> anyone tried zero yet?
[17:57] <gordonDrogon> megaztar, millions of us ...
[17:58] <megaztar> :3
[17:58] <megaztar> I want to make my own DOC
[17:58] <megaztar> SOC*
[17:58] <megaztar> but I should probably stop playing computer games and ge ta job
[17:58] <megaztar> life is sad
[17:58] <methuzla> system on a chip?
[17:59] <megaztar> yea
[17:59] <megaztar> computer
[17:59] <megaztar> RAM, CPU etc. Something minimalistic
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[18:00] <methuzla> you mean source each of those separately and put them together to make a working computer?
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[18:00] <megaztar> yea
[18:00] <megaztar> :3
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[18:01] <methuzla> that's a little hard to do pi style, it's all pretty much done for you, that's why it's called 'system on a chip'
[18:01] <methuzla> probably easier to do that with PC hardware
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[18:17] <boreeto> Hey folks, I was looking into OSMC and have previously tinkered with Kodi and Xbmc on the pi, has anyone ever managed to get Netflix streamed from a RaspPi?
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[18:17] <boreeto> I would think not because of the DRM issue
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[18:18] <boreeto> Can you get all the normal channels like 4oD and BBC iplayer on those plaforms? I only ever used them to stream from a hfs share
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[18:20] <M3mphiZ> Jusii: you here?
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[18:38] <Crom> wooo APRS using RPiB+ should work on my Zero
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[19:10] <RoyK> is it possible to make something like youtube videos work on an rpi2 with linux? I have an rpi1 with openelec and it works well, also with some plugins, but what about stuff like youtube in a standard distro? Using Jessie atm
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[19:10] <t3chguy> RoyK: youtube-dl+omxplayer works very well
[19:11] <RoyK> t3chguy: is that something that's embeddable in a web browser?
[19:11] <t3chguy> RoyK: theoretically
[19:12] <RoyK> heh - ok
[19:12] <t3chguy> RoyK: http://raspberryfungasm.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/open-youtube-video-in-omxplayer-with.html
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[19:16] <RoyK> t3chguy: thanks - we're trying to build some info screens with pi2
[19:16] <t3chguy> RoyK: no problem
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[19:57] <CaneToad> A while back, raspberry pi had some USB stability issues as I remember... are those problems now solved in newer models?
[19:59] <Encrypt> CaneToad, I've never had issues with USB
[19:59] <Encrypt> Even on my model B which was in the first batch of RPis
[19:59] <Encrypt> (Chinese Edition ©)
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[20:00] <Encrypt> CaneToad, Also, on my RPi 2, USB works well
[20:00] <Encrypt> I'm using line as a server, and there is quite a few devices connected to the USB ports
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[20:03] <fpn> CaneToad, I also dont have any issues. But what I've had before is that if you plug something into the USB port that draws too much current, the Pi will reboot... I've had this with an external hard drive
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[20:06] <gordonDrogon> CaneToad, early (very early) kernels had somewhat creative USB drivers - it's been vastly improved since then.
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[20:14] <CaneToad> thanks folks!
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[20:25] <gordonDrogon> From a Linux point of view, the Pi hardware was almost brand new - even though it's quite old. So while linux worked on the SoC, it had never really been stress tested or used in the hands of the ordinary user as opposed to being built into a dedicated device.
[20:26] <gordonDrogon> so there were some issues at launch time - slow SD card speeds (and sometimes corruption) and people just didn't know how critical the PSU issues were going to be.
[20:27] <gordonDrogon> but nearly 4 years down the line...
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[20:36] <ali1234> ...almost none of the problems have been fixed despite multiple hardware iterations?
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[20:42] <gordonDrogon> I really don't think that's true.
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[20:43] <gordonDrogon> SD issues and speed were fixed early on in new kernel releases - the USB took a little longer, but it's now very stable.
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[20:58] <ali1234> USB and video still seem buggy to me. the biggest problem by far is power though.
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[21:02] <Bilby> ali1234: problems?
[21:03] <ali1234> not for me
[21:03] <ali1234> well, the USB crashing is slightly annoying
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[21:13] <Crom> wish my HDMI switch wuold get here...
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[21:13] <Crom> stopped using my RPi
[21:13] <Crom> until it gets here...
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[21:46] <xNear> hello
[21:46] <xNear> i need bluez-utils package which is not found on my system
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[22:03] <MiningInc> Please can someone recommend good books for Lxterminal/linux command line,
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[22:07] <DrJ> MiningInc, just google for internet guides
[22:07] <DrJ> good as any book
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[22:08] <DrJ> I think you'll only truly learn from experiance though... when you need to do something on command line google how to do it
[22:08] <DrJ> and actually type the command, don't copy paste
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[22:08] <r0kka> that's why hard copies can be nice
[22:09] <r0kka> can't copy-pasta
[22:09] <DrJ> :)
[22:09] <r0kka> :)
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[22:09] <xNear> just interested
[22:10] <xNear> someone is using RPI as /desktop/?
[22:10] <xNear> i use it for few things, something like a desktop, but not as full desktop replacment
[22:10] <DrJ> mini server myself
[22:10] <Anitox> all mine are headless
[22:10] <DrJ> headless
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[22:11] <r0kka> headless. irc bouncer and pi-hole
[22:11] <DrJ> most people in hear probably use their's headless
[22:11] <r0kka> trying to come up with a neat little headless task for my zero.. any ideas?
[22:11] <DrJ> not many actually use it for a true desktop really
[22:12] <DrJ> I have a cool use for mine r0kka
[22:12] <DrJ> but it wouldn't be something you would want to do I'm sure
[22:12] <r0kka> still, you've caught my attention
[22:12] <DrJ> ah, zero
[22:12] <DrJ> nvm
[22:12] <DrJ> don't have one of those
[22:12] <r0kka> ok :)
[22:12] <t3chguy> I haz 3, soon to be 4 :3
[22:13] <DrJ> do you have networking on your zero r0kka?
[22:13] <r0kka> yes, wifi
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[22:13] <DrJ> Only cool things I could think of are home automatation type things with the pins
[22:14] <r0kka> home automation is something I will take a look at
[22:14] <t3chguy> r0kka: you played with Gadget Mode on the Zero much?
[22:14] <r0kka> I'm still very much a beginner
[22:14] <r0kka> learning as I go
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[22:14] <DrJ> it could be used to detect the state of a door (open/closed)... garage door opener
[22:15] <r0kka> no not at all actually, but I've read about it
[22:15] <DrJ> all of that would require buying additional sensors and stuff
[22:15] <t3chguy> r0kka: https://bit.ovh/2016/01/31/Raspberry-Pi-Zero-Gadget-Mode/
[22:15] <r0kka> yes, I'm aware of that
[22:15] <t3chguy> mine :3
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[22:16] <DrJ> if you were really techy you could use it as the logic board for some sort of toy, like a robot, remote control car, etc
[22:17] <r0kka> t3chguy what am I reading? what is your zero actually doing?
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[22:18] <t3chguy> r0kka: acting as an offload processor currently, but there's loads you can do, use it as a MIDI Device, a WebCam, loads of Gadget Modules exist for loads of things
[22:18] <r0kka> and DrJ I want my Pi's to do something everyday useful -tasks :) not just be part of some toy that never gets used
[22:18] <t3chguy> you can use your Zero as a Mass Storage medium which automatically uploads to the cloud for instance
[22:19] <DrJ> it could be a real small stealth file server (only detectable by wireless scanners really)
[22:19] <DrJ> so when the FBI comes and raids your house they have to spend an extra 5 minutes locating it
[22:20] <DrJ> :)
[22:20] <r0kka> like a piratebox?
[22:20] <t3chguy> lol
[22:20] <t3chguy> basically, the Zero can act as a USB Peripheral
[22:20] <t3chguy> so you could make it pretend its a keyboard, a mouse, a webcam etc
[22:21] <t3chguy> you can also pass it a network connection that way
[22:21] <r0kka> I'm talking to both of you at the same time, is confusing x)
[22:21] <DrJ> :)
[22:21] <r0kka> yes t3chguy all of that is really cool, I'll look into it
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[22:22] <DrJ> a $5 print server if you actually have a printer that doesn't already have one built in
[22:24] <DrJ> r0kka, my "cool" use, although I use a pi2 for it, is detecting fire tones (when a fire department is paged out)
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[22:25] <DrJ> its the device that detects tones for a site/server I run... when the pi2 detects one about 100-200 people will receive a text message a few seconds later
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[22:26] <DrJ> so yea, my pi2 is possibly saving lives :)
[22:26] <dcm77> hello can does anyone have experience getting a pi zero to work with a 7” HDMI touchscreen
[22:28] <t3chguy> dcm77: what trouble are you having
[22:28] <t3chguy> it behaves like any other pi
[22:28] <r0kka> DrJ that is cool
[22:29] <DrJ> here's a cool idea r0kka, get a gps receiver for your zero... wire it secretly into your wifes car and have it report where it has been when it comes back into range of your wifi network
[22:29] <dcm77> t3chguy: on my pi the screen works just fine. with the pi zero i get a white screen with coloured lines going down the screen....
[22:30] <t3chguy> dcm77: are you using the same SD Card? Is the Zero confirmed working? Are you running a Zero-compatible Distro (UP TO DATE)
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[22:31] <dcm77> t3chguy: the pi zero works fine on my TV with the same cable and sd card but doesnt seem to like the lcd touchscreen!
[22:31] <t3chguy> no idea then, that sounds really dodgy
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[22:32] <r0kka> DrJ, the theory behind a car-logging zero is awesome, but the practice is a bit dodgy :P
[22:32] <DrJ> :)
[22:32] <r0kka> could maybe wire it to my own car
[22:33] <DrJ> what's the fun in that?
[22:33] <dcm77> i am assuming it is something to do with the pi zero set up. When I try connecting the LCD screen to an apple TV the picture is a bit scrambled but recognisable
[22:33] <DrJ> you know where you have been
[22:33] <r0kka> true
[22:34] <t3chguy> dcm77: HDMI image should never be scrambled
[22:34] <t3chguy> sounds like something is up with the LCD
[22:34] <DrJ> it actually wouldn't be hard to do something like that
[22:34] <t3chguy> thats making it perform out of spec
[22:34] <t3chguy> could be something as simple as a noisy PSU
[22:34] <wireddude> I'm having a hell of a time getting my pi-zero to work.
[22:34] <DrJ> only gotcha is a gps receiver generally needs line of sight, so the antenna may not be easy to hide
[22:34] <t3chguy> wireddude: wats going wrong?
[22:35] <wireddude> well first I was trying to do it headless - so I edited all the /etc/interfaces to get it online
[22:35] <dcm77> t3chguy: I thought that until i had the LCD working just fine with my original raspberyy pi
[22:35] <wireddude> that works, but the filesystem was read only for some reason
[22:35] <t3chguy> dcm77: one device working isn't a full test, Apple TV not working 100% is a fail case
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[22:35] <wireddude> so I made a new jessie light, and hooked it up to hdmi monitor. now I can choose either - wireless, keyboard, but not both since hub can't seem to power both
[22:36] <wireddude> so I used the keyboard to edit the /etc/interfaces and wpasupplicant stuff and rebooted, but it never joined my wifi
[22:36] <dcm77> t3chguy: the thing about the apple TV is that it needs an HD compatible screen and the LCD is 800*600 max
[22:36] <t3chguy> wireddude: maybe it doesn't have enough power to reliably push WiFI
[22:37] <t3chguy> try using a more powerful power supply to the Zero, or a Powered USB Hub
[22:37] <wireddude> that's a good point. i should switch the power adapter to one with more milliamps
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[22:39] <wireddude> t3tchguy: thanks
[22:39] <r0kka> wireddude what did you do in /etc/interfaces ? I only followed this: https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/configuration/wireless/wireless-cli.md
[22:39] <t3chguy> no problem
[22:40] <r0kka> only had keyboard to the zero, and later swapped it for a wifi dongle
[22:40] <wireddude> yep, that's what I'm trying. used this guide the first time: http://davidmaitland.me
[22:40] <wireddude> bad linke: http://davidmaitland.me/2015/12/raspberry-pi-zero-headless-setup/
[22:41] <r0kka> yeah see, I tried that first also but I couldn't get it to work
[22:41] <r0kka> so I edited the files back to default and followed the official doc
[22:42] <r0kka> it worked.. swapped the keyboard for the dongle after config and reboot
[22:43] <wireddude> just wish i could have keyboard + wifidongle at the same time. I might have to buy a powered hub for this.
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[22:43] <wireddude> this way i could just use `sudo iwlist wlan0 scan`
[22:44] <wireddude> and make sure all working
[22:44] <dcm77> i have a recollection that the is a way to force specific settings for the video output. would there be a way to make a pi zero have an HDMI output with 800x600 resolution?
[22:44] <t3chguy> yes dcm77, config.txt
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[22:44] <wireddude> from all the googling I've done, I've heard regognizing usb devices is hit or miss with pizero
[22:45] <r0kka> well, my zero picked up my network just fine without a scan.. maybe I just got lucky
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[22:50] <dcm77> does anyone have an understanding of the hdmi_group settings in the config.txt file?
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[22:52] <Crom> wireddude, I have a logitech unity K350 and mouse running off the little Logitech Unity dongle and a 150Mbps N wifi dongle off my Zero on a non-powered otg hub
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[22:55] <sliddis> So it looks like my raspberry pi webserver got hacked. my websites are gone, and so is my private little CA test.... I was running wordpress and some lesser known CMS site... My Pi is physically at an ISP in another country (free colo). I guess I should reinstall. what should I do?
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[22:56] <wireddude> Crom: thanks, I have that mouse too, will give it a shot
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[22:58] <sliddis> And what logs should I look in?
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[23:01] <t3chguy> sliddis: /var/log/auth.log is probably the only thing that'll have any useful info unless you set up additional loggin yourself
[23:02] <sliddis> Ok. How would I go about reinstalling it? Without physical access
[23:02] <t3chguy> sliddis: if only websites etc are gone, why reinstall?
[23:02] <sliddis> t3chguy: how would I know no rootkits etc are also installed
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[23:03] <t3chguy> if a rootkit is there then it'd probably persist most things except fully wiping/reimaging the SD
[23:03] <t3chguy> which you can't do without physically removing it from the RPi
[23:04] <sliddis> Also, its been there for 2+ years, so I guess its time to reinstall
[23:04] <t3chguy> probably
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[23:13] <sir_galahad_ad> <3
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[23:37] <FatalNIX> Okay
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[23:37] <FatalNIX> I should probably look at the ARM chip datasheet in the Pi 1
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[23:37] <FatalNIX> so I can start using this pi
[23:38] <FatalNIX> it's a BCM2835 from broadcom right?
[23:38] <FatalNIX> and the Pi 2 is like a Cortex iirc
[23:39] <xamindar> who are you talking to?
[23:39] <FatalNIX> Who are you talking to?
[23:40] <sponge-tmp> noones talking to me :(
[23:40] <FatalNIX> I am now
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[23:41] <DWKnight> FatalNIX: no the pi2 isn't a cortex
[23:41] <FatalNIX> ah, I thought the pi 2 had an A7
[23:41] <DWKnight> BCM2836
[23:41] <DWKnight> ok, it is cortex based
[23:41] <mgottschlag> yes, the Pi 2 contains 4 Cortex-A7 cores iirc
[23:41] <DWKnight> but still broadcam
[23:42] <FatalNIX> I see
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[23:42] <FatalNIX> yay found the datasheet for the 2835
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[23:43] <FatalNIX> I wonder how different they are from the Cortex A chips
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[23:44] <plugwash> The Cortex series are core designs not chip designs
[23:44] <Valduare> g’evening
[23:45] <Inglipz> hey
[23:45] <Valduare> looking for something fun to do with my pi zero tonight
[23:45] <FatalNIX> I have a Cortex-M4 on my STM32 board here
[23:46] <plugwash> Various vendors take those core designs, add memory controllers, perhiperals, a bus system etc to make a SoC
[23:46] <DWKnight> FatalNIX: https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/bcm2836/ may be of use to you
[23:46] <plugwash> FatalNIX, mmm cortex A series is very different from cortex M series
[23:46] <FatalNIX> I see
[23:46] <FatalNIX> and yes I know
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[23:51] <Metalsutton> I have a ps4, which i assume uses bluetooth
[23:51] <Valduare> it does
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[23:52] <Metalsutton> I am also looking to move my htpc setup into a car, which uses bluetooth audio, so naturally i am going to purchase a bluetooth dongle anyway
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[23:52] <Metalsutton> my question is around remotes, and if i should just go out an purchase a ps4 media remote instead of bothering with ir.
[23:52] <Valduare> I use a cirago bluetooth/wifi combo dongle
[23:53] <Valduare> you can use your smartphone as a bluetooth media mote and run a server on your computer
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[23:54] <Metalsutton> i would perfer a dedicated remote
[23:54] <Metalsutton> for in the house
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[23:58] <Valduare> 5 bucks for old android cellphones on ebay heh
[23:58] <Valduare> that’d make a pretty cheap dedicated remote
[23:58] <[Saint]> Hardkernel really fired some shots at RPF this time.
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[23:59] <[Saint]> The relevance RPF has in hardware is slipping, it was a tenuous grasp to begin with, but they've allowed themselves to falter while the rest of the world caught up.

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