#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2016-02-08

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[0:59] <sir_galahad_ad> mein gott! it's vdamewood!
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[0:59] <vdamewood> Where?
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[1:08] <superburritobol> hi all
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[1:09] <superburritobol> how can I tap an existing LED circuit so I can read the current state with gpio?
[1:11] <ThePendulum> I imagine you'd have to feed back the data line into the Pi before it hits the LEDs
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[1:12] <superburritobol> Thanks ThePendulum, you mean cut the existing wire and add the gpio line in sequence?
[1:13] <ThePendulum> I imagine you have to do that at some point anyway, but for good measure you could see what the data is like at the end of the sequence
[1:13] <ThePendulum> But I think each LED only passes on the remainder of the data, excluding its own chunk
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[1:24] <superburritobol> ThePendulum: how about something like this? http://www.raspberrypi-spy.co.uk/2012/08/reading-analogue-sensors-with-one-gpio-pin/
[1:24] <superburritobol> Hm, that seems more complicated than I need for just a digital read
[1:25] <ThePendulum> hmm
[1:25] <ThePendulum> not sure if someone else has done this before
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[1:26] <superburritobol> I'm new at this, but it seems like it should be easier to check if a circuit has zero or non-zero voltage
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[1:31] <sir_galahad_ad> what? it is connect a resistor from the postive lead of your led to your gpio pin
[1:31] <sir_galahad_ad> set your code to use a software pull down resistor should work fine
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[1:31] <superburritobol> ah.. I was just reading about the pulldowns...
[1:31] <superburritobol> sir_galahad_ad: thanks, will try that
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[1:37] <Polymorphism> http://pastebin.com/C2w7231e
[1:37] <Polymorphism> does my code look ok?
[1:37] <Polymorphism> I'm not receiving anything with the pi
[1:38] <Polymorphism> I've double checked wiring
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[1:38] <ThePendulum>
[1:38] <ThePendulum> Would someone mine drawing a bit here? :o
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[1:42] <Polymorphism> fail
[1:42] <Polymorphism> TheAbraxas,
[1:42] <Polymorphism> TheAbraxas, [
[1:42] <Polymorphism> thp
[1:42] <Polymorphism> TheAbraxas,
[1:42] <Polymorphism> ThePendulum,
[1:42] <ThePendulum> almost
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[1:42] <Polymorphism> got it
[1:42] <ThePendulum> what about it is failing?
[1:42] <TheAbraxas> lmao
[1:42] <Polymorphism> it d oesnt seem to let me draw anything
[1:43] <ThePendulum> you need press the right key
[1:43] <ThePendulum> no the other one
[1:43] <ThePendulum> the left one
[1:44] <Polymorphism> ??
[1:44] <Polymorphism> I just see a white page
[1:44] <ThePendulum> you don't see the squares?
[1:44] <Polymorphism> I see one square
[1:44] <Polymorphism> top lef
[1:44] <Polymorphism> it does nothing
[1:44] <Polymorphism> also an eraser check box
[1:44] <Polymorphism> and a clear button
[1:44] <Polymorphism> top left
[1:44] <ThePendulum> Oh I see what's wrong
[1:44] <Valduare> why is java/oracle got spamware in its installer lol for yahoo
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[1:45] <kookie> cuz they get paid to do that
[1:46] <Valduare> makes them look stupid lol
[1:46] <kookie> called "paid" spamming
[1:46] <Valduare> and hense is why I dont respect java as a programing language heh
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[1:46] <ThePendulum> Polymorphism: should work now :)
[1:46] <kookie> they don't care... as long as they get in
[1:47] <Valduare> so I just completed my first transistor circuit
[1:47] <kookie> congrats
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[1:47] <Valduare> using 5v with a couple leds and using a npn transistor as a switch driven by the gpio
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[1:48] <Valduare> one step closer to building that death ray machine :P
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[1:49] <kookie> sweet
[1:49] <sir_galahad_ad> :)
[1:49] <Valduare> so whats next?
[1:49] <kookie> just don't commit a crime tho... lol
[1:50] <Valduare> lol
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[1:53] <sir_galahad_ad> good news everybody!
[1:53] <Valduare> you just saved a bunch of money on your car insurance?
[1:55] <sir_galahad_ad> the little board i was talking about with switches to control the 7" screen i have attached to my pi is basically just a set of switches and multimeter shows 'em running on 3.24 volts i should just be able to connect it diretly to gpio pins (i think)
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[1:56] <ThePendulum> anyone up to draw a little something? :D livestream here: http://tinychat.com/7ndsv9
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[2:00] * sir_galahad_ad would pay $5.50 for a pi zero if you could buy one with pins pre-soldered
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[2:02] <Valduare> ok
[2:02] <Valduare> so if I want to power something with its own power supply and then use transister from gpio to run it.
[2:02] <Valduare> I have to tie ground into the ground for the pi too right?
[2:02] <Valduare> for reference
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[2:04] <Valduare> just tried but it looks like the leds light up ie bypassing the transistor some how
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[2:05] <sir_galahad_ad> yes i believe so
[2:06] <Valduare> so do I tie the ground in to ground from gpio plugs into the breadboard
[2:06] <Valduare> or after the leds on their ground side
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[2:07] <sir_galahad_ad> was long as both are connected to the ground rail i wouldn't think it would matter
[2:09] <Valduare> so I was using 5v from the pi earlyer to power this
[2:09] <Valduare> now im trying to use an external power source
[2:09] <sir_galahad_ad> not an ac source right?
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[2:12] <Valduare> no little wall wart
[2:12] <sir_galahad_ad> ah
[2:14] <Valduare> hmm
[2:14] <Valduare> now im really thronw for a loop
[2:14] <Valduare> I think it may have been wired backwards
[2:14] <sir_galahad_ad> sup?
[2:14] <Valduare> emitter / collector backwards maybe
[2:14] <sir_galahad_ad> dun dun daaaaaah
[2:15] <Valduare> so npn flat side facing away from me
[2:15] <Valduare> would be collector / base / emitter
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[2:15] <sir_galahad_ad> that seems to be the way it is on the data sheet you showed me
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[2:20] <Valduare> http://www.fiz-ix.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/NPN-Switch-2.png
[2:21] <Valduare> http://www.build-electronic-circuits.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/npn-transistor-symbol.png
[2:21] <Valduare> so emitter is ground
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[2:26] <Valduare> ok led blinks again when I connect the 5v as coming from the pi again
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[2:27] <Valduare> so am I missing something
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[2:27] <Valduare> am I not actually using the transistor and instead just blinking the led from the gpio lol
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[2:32] <Valduare> sir_galahad_ad: lol uplaod the img and its upside down somehow lol http://postimg.org/image/s4gihc2hr/
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[2:42] <kookie> nice
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[2:42] <Valduare> can you help me diagnose kookie ? :P
[2:43] <kookie> on what?
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[2:43] <Valduare> http://postimg.org/image/s4gihc2hr/
[2:43] <Valduare> base connected to gpio 17
[2:44] <kookie> yeah... and?
[2:44] <kookie> what you trying to do?
[2:44] <Valduare> use a transistor
[2:45] <kookie> yes, I see the transistor
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[2:45] <Valduare> so I have 5v coming off gpio from the pi
[2:46] <Valduare> thats the big red wire
[2:46] <kookie> as long as the power to LEDs are from another source it should be ok
[2:46] <kookie> and the "base" of transistor should be one of the IO's
[2:47] <Valduare> aye the base is to gpio 17
[2:47] <kookie> ok... then does it do what you want it to do?
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[2:48] <Valduare> i did some python to make gpio 17 turn on and then off with 1 second inbetween
[2:48] <Valduare> it blinks
[2:48] <kookie> ok, did it do that?
[2:49] <Valduare> but then I tried giving it 5v from a separate power source than the pi
[2:49] <Valduare> and the leds just light up some how
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[2:49] <kookie> yes, that's a problem there...
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[2:50] <kookie> you need to hook ground to pi to ground of transistor to allow the base to work, otherwise it'll just be a "float"
[2:50] <sir_galahad_ad> Valduare: you didn't flip your + and grnd did you?
[2:51] <Valduare> hey hey got it working
[2:51] <kookie> congrats
[2:52] <Valduare> interesting
[2:52] <Valduare> so the first external power supply I tried and it just lights up the leds was a 6v power supply
[2:52] <Valduare> so it must have had enough umph to just push its way through the transistor
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[2:53] <Valduare> but with a 5v external power source its working fine
[2:53] <Valduare> https://www.fairchildsemi.com/datasheets/KS/KSP2222A.pdf
[2:53] <Valduare> this is the transistor
[2:53] <Valduare> trying to learn lol
[2:53] <Valduare> what caused that
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[3:01] <kookie> well it's an amplifier transistor, not a switching transistor...
[3:01] <Valduare> lol
[3:01] <Valduare> hmm
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[3:03] <Tenkawa> hi all
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[3:06] <joebobjoe> Anyone know why #archlinuxarm is invite-only?
[3:06] <kookie> you need a 2N3904
[3:07] <kookie> yeh, you have to be "invited" to get in
[3:07] <kookie> it's password protected
[3:08] <Valduare> I have a kn2907
[3:08] <Valduare> kn2907a
[3:08] <joebobjoe> Ah, kookie the correct chan is #archlinux-arm
[3:08] <Valduare> https://www.fairchildsemi.com/datasheets/KS/KSP2907A.pdf
[3:09] <Valduare> another amp
[3:09] <kookie> lemmie look...
[3:09] <joebobjoe> Anyone know if arch linux arm includes a VC4 drm driver? Or do I have to compile one myself? Or worse, do I have to compile a whole kernel?
[3:11] <Valduare> here I found a c1923
[3:11] <Valduare> looks like its switching transistor
[3:12] <kookie> Valduare: that one will work... look at this: http://www.learningaboutelectronics.com/Articles/How-to-connect-a-pnp-transistor-in-a-circuit.php
[3:12] <Valduare> the c1923 is an npn
[3:12] <Valduare> http://www.secosgmbh.com/datasheet/products/SSMPTransistor/TO-92/2SC1923.pdf
[3:12] <kookie> ok min...
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[3:13] <Valduare> http://www.fiz-ix.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/NPN-Switch-2.png
[3:14] <joebobjoe> When I do `modprobe vc4` something happens but I don't see `/dev/dri`
[3:14] <sir_galahad_ad> is wiringpi not part of the standard repos for raspian wheezy?
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[3:16] <kookie> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEMBXxWKUS0
[3:17] <asterismo> hi, does the raspi 2 model b support sd card or micro sd card?
[3:17] <Tenkawa> micro
[3:17] <asterismo> does it support standard sd card?
[3:17] <asterismo> both?
[3:17] <sir_galahad_ad> just micro
[3:17] <Tenkawa> no.. its amicro sized slot
[3:18] <asterismo> maybe i looked into an erlier model
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[3:18] <sir_galahad_ad> regular model be does SD
[3:19] <sir_galahad_ad> model B (but not B+, pi2 B, or zero)
[3:22] <Valduare> ok new switching transistor installed
[3:22] <sir_galahad_ad> woo
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[3:22] <Valduare> leds just on heh
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[3:23] <Valduare> hmm
[3:25] <kookie> need bigger resistor on base
[3:25] <sir_galahad_ad> are you over powering the transistor?
[3:25] <kookie> try a 4.7k ohm
[3:25] <Valduare> k
[3:26] <Valduare> let me source one on a parts board lol
[3:26] <kookie> lol
[3:27] <kookie> can use two or three 1k in series
[3:27] <[Saint]> If you wanna get really confusing about the SD, the B2 has fullsized SD, but the 2 B has micro.
[3:27] <[Saint]> I swear they didn't think the naming through one bit.
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[3:27] <kookie> huh?
[3:28] <[Saint]> (people always seem to forget the B2 even exists)
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[3:28] <kookie> loll, ok
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[3:29] <Valduare> found one
[3:29] <Valduare> now to desolder it heh
[3:29] <kookie> cool
[3:29] <kookie> oh
[3:29] <kookie> sorry
[3:29] <[Saint]> There's A, , A+, B, B2 (model B Rev. 2), B+, and 2 B.
[3:29] <[Saint]> Oh. And the zero, but it's pretty hard to confuse that. ;)
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[3:30] <kookie> lol
[3:30] <kookie> I have B ver 1
[3:31] <kookie> only 256 mb ram
[3:31] <[Saint]> I find these days people always seem to have no idea what you're talking about if you say "2B" and then you mean "2 Model B".
[3:31] <kookie> antique
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[3:31] <kookie> I always call the latest pi a B-2
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[3:32] <kookie> use a hyphen
[3:32] <superburritobol> If I have circuit that is either 1.1V or 0V... how can I read the state with GPIO? It always shows as zero
[3:32] <[Saint]> If I tend to want to be specific about the B2 I usually say "Model B Rev. 2" or so.
[3:33] <Valduare> still no luck kookie
[3:33] <kookie> acceptable
[3:33] <Valduare> leds just light up when they are given power
[3:33] <kookie> ok go back to the other transistor and try diferent sizes of resistors on the base
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[3:34] <Valduare> this one should work its a switching transistor?
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[3:35] <sir_galahad_ad> Valduare: can you link to the data sheet?
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[3:35] <kookie> it should, you have to get the base voltage just right to make it work real well
[3:35] <Valduare> http://www.secosgmbh.com/datasheet/products/SSMPTransistor/TO-92/2SC1923.pdf
[3:35] <Valduare> I think this is the one
[3:35] <superburritobol> If I pulldown, it's always 0, if I pull-up its always one... can't seem to make it change based on the circuit voltage
[3:35] <Valduare> ya but wouldnt it be off if the voltage was wrong
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[3:36] <kookie> yes
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[3:37] <Polymorphism> http://www.homeautomationforgeeks.com/rf24software.shtml
[3:37] <Polymorphism> why am I getting failed to xmit on the arduino?
[3:38] <sir_galahad_ad> superburritobol: is this the reading the led thing again?
[3:38] <ozzzy> Polymorphism, this is #raspberrypi
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[3:38] <superburritobol> sir_galahad_ad: yes
[3:38] <Valduare> my transistor does not have the 2s anywhere on the transistor though
[3:38] <Valduare> like in this datasheet
[3:38] <sir_galahad_ad> what value of resistor do you have on the leds?
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[3:39] <Valduare> its a brown black brown
[3:39] <superburritobol> not sure, can't get to them
[3:39] <sir_galahad_ad> doh
[3:39] <Valduare> oh not me lol
[3:40] <Polymorphism> ozzzy, I'm aware
[3:41] <Valduare> got some of these too kookie
[3:41] <kookie> Valduare: you need a 330 ohm on the LEDs
[3:42] <kookie> or 270 ohm
[3:43] <kookie> go back to other transistor that was working and trial/error which resistor works best on that transistor's base
[3:44] <kookie> try different values of resistors until it blinks well
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[3:46] <superburritobol> sir_galahad_ad: I cant get to these, but other parts of the same device are 220ohm
[3:47] <sir_galahad_ad> hmmm
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[3:48] <Valduare> the other transistor was workign but you said it was amp not switching I thought
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[3:51] <kookie> well it may work as a switching one but it's tricky
[3:51] <kookie> don't go below 1k ohm on the base or you will fry the pi
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[3:55] <kookie> if it was me doing that, I'd use Arduino Uno to do the stuff via USB on the pi
[3:55] <kookie> that way you won't fry the pi
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[3:55] <kookie> the Uno is a pretty tough unit.
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[4:03] <kookie> Valduare: how are you doing?
[4:05] <Valduare> hmm
[4:05] <Valduare> i do want to get an arduino kit to play around with
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[4:05] <kookie> ok, easy does it... one thing at a time...
[4:07] <kookie> remember, there are ways to use those IOs, up or down, in other words, they can push out voltage or sink voltage.
[4:08] <kookie> you have to know which pins do what. in the pi site or github site will tell you how those pins on the pi behave.
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[4:08] <Valduare> 17 is gpio
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[4:14] <kookie> ok, for your info, I have never used any of those pins on any pi I have due to the fact many ppl have fried their pi's in the past and has prompt me to only use Uno or Quickstarts to the pi's because I can make mistakes very easily.
[4:14] <kookie> So, I do not know which pin does what... lol
[4:14] <Valduare> ah lol
[4:15] <Valduare> think i’ve gone through all my transistors i’ve salvaged today so far
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[4:17] <kookie> ok.. you need to take a break... do more tomorrow..
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[4:18] <takyondeathyon> i want to put a pi in my car and i'm thinking about powering the pi with a power bank that would be charged from the car battery, is this a good idea?
[4:20] <pierssturley> Anyone using a Raspberry Pi for Passive DNS?
[4:21] <kookie> sure, takyondeathyon
[4:22] <Valduare> passive dns?
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[4:24] <kookie> Passive DNS or Passive DNS replication is a technique invented by Florian Weimer in 2004 where inter-server DNS messages are captured by sensors and forwarded to a collection point for analysis
[4:25] <kookie> in other words, a Tor Pi would do that
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[4:27] <pierssturley> A TorPi for Passive DNS?
[4:28] <kookie> dunno for sure, but Google it, ok?
[4:28] <pierssturley> Separately from Passive DNS, I've got a problem with being burgled...
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[4:29] <pierssturley> kookie: I've always struggled a bit to work out how Tor does DNS.
[4:29] <kookie> ok, min...
[4:29] <pierssturley> ... has anyone seen this book "Makers Guide to Zombie Apocalypse" https://www.nostarch.com/zombies...
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[4:30] <pierssturley> and I've got an idea to rig my flat with sensors and use a RPi to send out sensor event updates over IRC and Twitter to let others know if ppl are in my house.
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[4:32] <kookie> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/search.php?keywords=Passive+DNS
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[4:45] <kookie> so you want a home security system...
[4:46] <Valduare> handfull of vibration sensors taped to the windows and run a bunch of wire around to a distribution hub with your pi
[4:46] <Valduare> bit of code that detects if any of them set off and text you :)
[4:46] <kookie> that's basically setting up cameras, motion sensors and use wifi to send to your phone
[4:47] <kookie> yes, it can be done and on the pi site in forums is a lot of info on that subject
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[4:53] <kookie> in the pi site and in the github site are examples of scripts to use. You can tweak those examples to your liking.
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[4:57] <kookie> good night, time for me to go... happy pi-ing folks...
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[4:57] <Valduare> very nice
[4:57] <Valduare> installed pithos on my pi
[4:57] <Valduare> now I have some tunes in my studio
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[5:01] <sir_galahad_ad> :)
[5:03] <Valduare> wow hmm the volumn slider is really sensitive on the pi zero
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[5:37] <swift110-phone> Hey
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[5:59] <furkan> does anybody here know if omxplayer on an rpi can handle 720p @ 30fps?
[5:59] <furkan> *MJPEG 720p @ 30fps
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[6:09] <sir_galahad_ad> if i had something that was trying to draw too much current through a gpio pin what would happen?
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[6:17] <DSdavidDS> Hi peeps. I am having an issue where occasionally my pi hangs on the boot screen (rainbow)
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[6:20] <swift110-phone> Hmm
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[6:40] <AnonRecluse13> hey guys. I'm thinking about getting a Pi top to replace my netbook, but i have heard the keyboard is hard to use sometimes? Anyone have any experience with them?
[6:49] <AnonRecluse13> also thinking about getting a second one with an IPTV subscription with OSMC to replace my cable box, do you guys have any experience with IPTV and the Pi>
[6:50] <AnonRecluse13> ?* from what i have researched and read so far about OSMC/Kodi, the raspberry pi can support it, with 1080p and 3D support through HDMI CEC on my VIERA
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[6:53] <sir_galahad_ad> a pi to?
[6:54] <AnonRecluse13> yes, i would like to get 3 of them
[6:54] <AnonRecluse13> eventually
[6:54] <sir_galahad_ad> i'm sorry i meant "a pi top?"
[6:55] <sir_galahad_ad> ah googled it
[6:55] <AnonRecluse13> no problem, a pi top is a DIY laptop
[6:55] <sir_galahad_ad> didn't realize they made those
[6:55] <AnonRecluse13> 13.3 inch screen, 1080p
[6:55] <AnonRecluse13> yeah, they are available for pre order at www.pi-top.com
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[6:56] <AnonRecluse13> only in green and gray though
[6:56] <sir_galahad_ad> here i've been using a 7" screen mounted in a clear storage box with a 10" wireless keyboard with built-in touch pad mouse
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[6:56] <AnonRecluse13> once you get a Pi top setup, it will shit on that
[6:57] <AnonRecluse13> im thinking about using one for freelance programming jobs and penetration testing/network auditing with Slackware on it.
[6:57] <sir_galahad_ad> eeee
[6:57] <AnonRecluse13> it is fast enough, and Slackware ARM would boot up in about 7 seconds max on it.
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[6:58] <AnonRecluse13> please excuse my language
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[6:58] <AnonRecluse13> i don't like swearing
[6:59] <sir_galahad_ad> dunno it looks like the pi top covers my gpio pins or is there like a slide door or something that allows access?
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[6:59] <AnonRecluse13> there is a slide door on the top
[7:00] <AnonRecluse13> ordering through pi-top, it comes with everything you need to make a very powerful portable laptop, as long as Windoze isn't on it.
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[7:02] <AnonRecluse13> its sounds very worth it, but i'm not sure about the keyboard, as some of the reviews on youtube say the keyboard can be hard and unresponsive sometimes.
[7:02] <sir_galahad_ad> it seems neat, but i don't think it's the kinda thing i would pay for
[7:03] <AnonRecluse13> fair enough
[7:05] <AnonRecluse13> i meant bad keyboard feedback instead of unresponsive, but that's only 1 reviewer who said it was, it doesn't mean it is.
[7:05] <sir_galahad_ad> how many reviews are there?
[7:05] <AnonRecluse13> I'm going to buy one end of this month
[7:05] <AnonRecluse13> a few on youtube, but not too many
[7:06] <sir_galahad_ad> hard to say then
[7:07] <sir_galahad_ad> still i hate my regular laptops keyboard enough already
[7:07] <AnonRecluse13> its up to you, i think it will be pretty sweet once its setup :) i would be happy
[7:07] <AnonRecluse13> and same
[7:08] <AnonRecluse13> Das Keyboard make good desktop keyboards, as do WASD
[7:08] <Valduare> have you guys seen the motorola lapdock ?
[7:08] <AnonRecluse13> im typing on a Das Keyboard at the moment
[7:09] <AnonRecluse13> Valduare, no
[7:09] <AnonRecluse13> but i have seen a raspberry pi setup as a digital wall clock
[7:10] <sir_galahad_ad> i'm typing on a crappy laptop keyboard, i would like for manufactures to but something closer to a full size keyboard on my laptop.
[7:12] <AnonRecluse13> as would i, but they always make them crammed in
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[7:12] <AnonRecluse13> they only listen to shareholders ;)
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[7:15] <sir_galahad_ad> wow, adafruit really cut down on their display selection
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[7:20] <sir_galahad_ad> ah i was just searching poorly
[7:20] <AnonRecluse13> its all good
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[7:22] <Automator> hello! i finally made it in!
[7:23] <Berg> http://www.ebay.com/itm/HDMI-VGA-Control-Board-7-Inch-TFT-LCD-Monitor-Touch-Screen-For-Raspberry-Pi-/161620836331?hash=item25a15a3feb:g:zIUAAOSwpDdU8-A-
[7:23] <Berg> i bought today
[7:23] <Berg> will it explode?
[7:24] <swift110-phone> Hmm
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[7:29] <sir_galahad_ad> grats
[7:30] <sir_galahad_ad> berg should be fine i think
[7:30] <Berg> cool
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[7:31] <sir_galahad_ad> wb Automator
[7:32] <Automator> thanks!
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[7:34] <Automator> so i have a question, does chat.freenode.org link to all of the other freenode servers?
[7:34] <Automator> or am i just talking in one region?
[7:35] <sir_galahad_ad> should be all of the IRC servers on the network if that's what you mean (except on occasion of net splits
[7:36] <Automator> ok thanks,
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[7:38] <Automator> i am hoping that this will be a good resource. I am setting up two development stations for my children and mayn need some assistance with all things linux.... i may also be taking a teaching position where we would be hopefully using the PI... my background is networking and industrial automation. i can stumble around linux syntax but i am a beginner.
[7:38] <Automator> i was hoping to see more clients online...
[7:38] <Automator> maybe the superbowl has something to do with it
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[7:43] <swift110-phone> What do u guys do with raspberry pi
[7:44] <Automator> i am hoping that this will be a good resource. I am setting up two development stations for my children and mayn need some assistance with all things linux.... i may also be taking a teaching position where we would be hopefully using the PI... my background is networking and industrial automation. i can stumble around linux syntax but i am a beginner.
[7:45] <Automator> personally i run plex, have done piratebox... not alot of automation.. use arsduino for that. hope to do more though
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[7:48] <swift110-phone> Thats cool
[7:48] <swift110-phone> Do u torrent with pi
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[7:49] <Automator> no
[7:49] <Automator> im pretty sure an old laptop would be better suited.
[7:50] <Automator> all you really need is a good NIC
[7:50] <AnonRecluse13> is the Rpi2 powerful enough to support 1080p 3D?
[7:50] <Automator> for the pi my plex is client only... rasplex
[7:50] <Automator> 3d? dont knwo
[7:51] <AnonRecluse13> i have x-men first class in 3D and was wondering if it could handle it though HDMI CEC, with libCEC installed
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[7:52] <Automator> i think it may be. you should look on the xbmc forums... whats it called now? KODI?
[7:52] <h4x3> Homeautomation experts on board?
[7:52] <Automator> i dont know if rasplex supports either. but you could also check their forum
[7:52] <Automator> industrial automation
[7:53] <h4x3> which system is the best system at the moment?
[7:53] <Automator> no home
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[7:53] <Automator> i have NO experience with home system. a friend raves about the "HUB" though
[7:54] <h4x3> Homematic i heard from
[7:54] <h4x3> but have no experiences
[7:54] <Automator> i am looking to get my kids into coding. and may be teaching a tech class soon. hopefully can incorporate the PI2
[7:55] <h4x3> hehe
[7:55] <Automator> yeah i think they are all the same
[7:55] <h4x3> cool
[7:55] <h4x3> where r u teachin?
[7:55] <Automator> i think the most important thing is that they arent internet dependent
[7:55] <Automator> applied...
[7:55] <h4x3> but today less works without inet
[7:56] <Automator> currently industrial automation specialist for an energy company
[7:56] <h4x3> germany?
[7:56] <Automator> california
[7:56] <Automator> USA
[7:57] <h4x3> ah oh ok
[7:57] <h4x3> but sounds really cool what you plan
[7:58] <h4x3> which branch of study?
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[7:59] <Automator> the school is private... the position is literally called "Technology Teacher" scope is to guide students towards responsible inovations in the field of technology... kindof vague, but if i get it i will be designing the curriculum
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[8:01] <Automator> how about you? H4x3? what are your plans for the PI?
[8:01] <h4x3> at the moment only a jumpbox at home. plan was icinga to monitor my home network
[8:01] <AiGreek> 'morning...
[8:02] <h4x3> for monitoring leaks or somethin
[8:02] <h4x3> moin
[8:02] <Automator> Jumpbox.. thats new to me... network monitor??? i have been wanting to do this in our radio networks...
[8:03] <h4x3> jumpbox means i connect me from outside via vpn to my home network and can connect to my pi jumpbox
[8:03] <Automator> VPN server?
[8:03] <h4x3> vpn is build up by Fritzbox. its the internet router here
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[8:04] <Automator> are you in germain?
[8:04] <Automator> sorry Germany?
[8:04] <h4x3> yep
[8:04] <Automator> is it morning there now?
[8:04] <h4x3> 8 am
[8:05] <Automator> ok yeah 11 pm here
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[8:05] <h4x3> oh yeah
[8:05] <h4x3> near midnight
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[8:05] <Automator> yep finishing off predator movie marathon, including th eAVP movies.
[8:05] <Automator> ha ha
[8:06] <Automator> dad life. watching movies while working in the garage
[8:06] <Automator> so , Fritzbox is ISP?
[8:06] <h4x3> send you a message
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[10:52] <vuokkovuorinnen> good morning
[10:52] <vuokkovuorinnen> i have a brother hl-1110 printer and i'm trying to set it up on my raspberry pi
[10:53] <vuokkovuorinnen> but it seems like the drivers are for i386 arches only
[10:54] <vuokkovuorinnen> so I'm wondering if I can setup cups on a raspberry pi thats online 24/7
[10:54] <vuokkovuorinnen> to redirect the jobs to another cups server, which is an a pc with i386 arch and can have the drivers for that printer
[10:54] <vuokkovuorinnen> but which isnt online 24/7
[10:56] <gordonDrogon> one reason I don't buy printers that don't have an ethernet socket.
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[10:56] <gordonDrogon> this doesn't help you though.
[10:57] <vuokkovuorinnen> gordonDrogon: will help me next time I buy a printer :P
[10:57] <gordonDrogon> but if you can get the printer working on the x86 box with cups, then it's realtively easy to make another Linux box use that one to print on over the LAN.
[10:58] <vuokkovuorinnen> gordonDrogon: just new to cups, and since the x86 box wont be online 24/7
[10:58] <gordonDrogon> I've not done this on a Pi but my desktop is Linux and it runs cups and was printing via my wifes (Linux) desktop when the printer was USB connected to it. (and HP printer that now has an ehternet socket)
[10:58] <vuokkovuorinnen> wondering if i can store the jobs on a pi, then redirect it
[10:58] <gordonDrogon> it should store them for later printing.
[10:59] <gordonDrogon> it just uses up disk space on the Pi while they are stored.
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[10:59] <vuokkovuorinnen> 32gig card in there, shouldnt be an issue
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[11:01] <gordonDrogon> give it a go then...
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[11:07] <bigx> hello, I would like to configure the wifi from a capacitive portal, any idea?
[11:08] <Habbie> captive portal is the term
[11:08] <Habbie> this may help in searching
[11:08] <bigx> oh thanks Habbie !
[11:15] <vuokkovuorinnen> gordonDrogon: seems rather easy: share the printer from the x86 machine, add it as a printer on the raspberry pi cups, ??? profit
[11:15] <vuokkovuorinnen> gotta wait till tonight to see if it worked, since I'm not @home now
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[11:26] <pksato> about printing and cups. Client not need a cupsd running, only cups lib. And a environment to set printer to non interactive print. print to cups or other ipp server.
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[11:29] <TandyUK> anyone know an easy way to make an rpi into a 'fake' mailserver?
[11:30] <TandyUK> essentially i just want to listen on port 25 (internally) and when a connection is recieved, trigger a slice of relay's output.
[11:30] <TandyUK> but i need to 'trick' the real mailserver into thinking it has actually delivered a message
[11:30] <pksato> TandyUK: install some relay only smtpd
[11:30] <pksato> like proxsmtpd
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[11:40] <lonefish> Hi
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[11:46] <SpeedEvil> Or just make it into an actual mailserver
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[11:48] <gordonDrogon> best to use some sort of other protocol - if it's every anywhere near the public internet it will get probed on port 25 then ...
[11:48] <gordonDrogon> or accept and parse a real email message.
[11:49] <gordonDrogon> or wair until wiringPi v3 is relesed which is 'network aware' ... (in the internet of insecure things)
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[12:04] <TandyUK> im loking at proxsmtpd, but it seems a little more than i want
[12:05] <TandyUK> i think i'll go back to my original idea of using sockets to listen on port 25, and emulate enough of the SMTP protocol to make the sending server think it has properly delivered a message
[12:05] <TandyUK> im not actually interested in what the message is at all
[12:05] <TandyUK> original sending system > Smtp auth via our mailserver 'control pc'
[12:05] <Habbie> TandyUK, why do you want to trick senders into losing messages?
[12:06] <TandyUK> control pc then forwards it to <external@address.com> and user@[] (the pi)
[12:06] <TandyUK> i dont actually give 2 shits about the email, i just need to recieve an email alert, and trigger the relay
[12:07] <TandyUK> i just need to make 'control pc' think it was properly delivered, else it will sit on the mailqueue there and get retried again and again :P
[12:08] <TandyUK> the system itself is an ANPR camera, whcih has a blacklist of reg numbers not allowed on site
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[12:08] <TandyUK> and the rpi is about half a mile away, and needs to set off an alarm when the anpr system sends out the 'blacklisted vehicle' email alert
[12:09] <SpeedEvil> And triggers the spraycans?
[12:09] <TandyUK> nah, 2 modified alarm bell boxes
[12:09] <TandyUK> 130db siren and strobes :)
[12:09] <Habbie> if you install a normal mail server (postfix, exim, sendmail, qmail, whatever), it's very easy to make an incoming email trigger a process via a pipe
[12:09] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[12:09] <Habbie> this may even be easier than installing a fake server
[12:10] <SpeedEvil> Do actually test to make sure you've not set it up to relay
[12:10] <nid0> so why do you need to go through all the hassle of faking a connection than just installing a mailserver, receiving and piping the message to your trigger, and ditching the message?
[12:10] <TandyUK> SpeedEvil: it'll be isolated on its own vlan, with no net access ;)
[12:10] <SpeedEvil> network of things ++
[12:11] <TandyUK> only 'control pc' has 2 nics with access to net
[12:11] <SpeedEvil> Much fewer issues than IoT
[12:11] <TandyUK> yeah screw putting this stuff on the net
[12:11] <SpeedEvil> I feel I should point out that you can do ANPR on the pi
[12:11] <TandyUK> on of the side goals is to ensure the systemn functions 100%, even if the WAN is down for example
[12:11] <SpeedEvil> (but that's probably more hastle than it's worth)
[12:11] <TandyUK> SpeedEvil: existing thrid party anpr system
[12:12] <TandyUK> it does have alarms and all sorts, just about a mile away from where the sounders actually need to be
[12:12] <SpeedEvil> I just have a doorbell camera that goes off before someone gets to the door.
[12:12] <SpeedEvil> Which is nice.
[12:12] <SpeedEvil> I need to mount another one to catch people 10s earlier in the drive
[12:12] <TandyUK> and we need LOUD due to the heavy plant that is in the area where the alarm needs to be
[12:13] <SpeedEvil> ('motion')
[12:13] <TandyUK> yeah as for anpr on the pi, not sure id trust that
[12:13] <TandyUK> if the system they have fails to read porperly/at all, theres someone to sue for it ;)
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[12:19] <Dex-Freudii> has anyone worked with RPi2 and SIM cards? I want my RPi2 to make phonecalls and send sms
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[12:29] <lonefish> Anyone got an idea why (subprocess module, python) call(["mv","test/*","testmove/"]) doesn't work but call(["mv","test/a","testmove/"]) with a being a file does work?
[12:29] <lonefish> Does work in commandline tho
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[12:30] <TandyUK> lonefish: in commandline 'test/*' is being evaluated, and in script its not?
[12:31] <TandyUK> but pure guess
[12:32] <lonefish> something like that prolly, but no idea how to make it evaluate it
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[12:37] <TandyUK> id suggest also doing 'copy, delete original' rather than moving too
[12:37] <TandyUK> not sure if pythoon suffers fro mthe same ability to 'lose' data on windows if it get interrupted while a move is in progress
[12:38] <TandyUK> i know a lot of things that use copy then delete to avoid that, specifically on windows when dealing with network file shares usually
[12:38] <TandyUK> irrespective of the lang theyre written in
[12:38] <lonefish> it's locally on the pi
[12:39] <lonefish> the script downloads files (html) in a temp dir
[12:39] <lonefish> and then moves them to the actual dir they're needed in
[12:40] <niston> lonefish: I think the * is expanded by the command line interpreter. and you do not use the command line interpreter if you call mv directly.
[12:40] <Habbie> if you pass a list to .call, you bypass the shell, yes
[12:40] <niston> and by command line interpreter I mean the shell.
[12:40] <Habbie> TandyUK, that's bad advice, an mv is much faster and thus safer
[12:41] <lonefish> mv doesn't physically move the files on disk if I remember correctly, no?
[12:42] <Habbie> lonefish, exactly
[12:43] <lonefish> interesting theory niston
[12:43] <niston> lonefish: you could use Shell=True, but caveats apply: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3172470/actual-meaning-of-shell-true-in-subprocess
[12:43] <niston> you could perhaps use os.path.expandvars() instead
[12:44] <lonefish> I'll look into it, first lunch :)
[12:44] <lonefish> Thanks tho!
[12:44] <niston> yw
[12:44] <Habbie> if you're going to do expandvars
[12:44] <Habbie> might as well use shutil.move
[12:44] <Habbie> take the whole shell out of it
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[12:54] <TandyUK> Habbie: lonefish: if the files are moving on the same filesystem, no it doesnt. if its between different filesystems however, copy/delete is ALWAYS safer
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[12:55] <Habbie> TandyUK, if they are on different filesystems, copy/delete is what is happening
[12:55] <TandyUK> the key part of that advice though was 'when dealing with windows and network file shares' as thats the most common example of data getting 'lost' that im aware of
[12:55] <Habbie> nothing in this makes sense to me, TandyUK, i'm sorry
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[12:55] <TandyUK> yes but on windows, doing a 'move' and then interrupting it, can cause data to have been deleted from souce, _before_ its been written out to the destination
[12:56] <TandyUK> thanks to how windows deals with write caching
[12:56] <TandyUK> if youve never experienced it, good for you, i hope you never do :)
[12:56] <Habbie> i have lots of experience with moving files around via smb and have never noticed this
[12:56] <Habbie> but please don't color 'python + raspi + SD' advice with this experience in a very specific, different situation
[12:57] <Habbie> because it leads to bad advice
[12:57] <TandyUK> hehe whaeras i see it as good advice regardless of what language/systems are in use
[12:57] <Habbie> no
[12:57] <Habbie> it really is bad advice
[12:57] <TandyUK> yes
[12:57] <TandyUK> well we'll have to agree to differ there then
[12:57] <Habbie> only in exceptional cases should you not trust the basic functionality of a system
[12:58] <buZz> ooo can we give some bad advice?
[12:58] <buZz> plz rewrite systemd in Go
[12:58] <Habbie> TandyUK, no, because i'd love for you to stop handing out -actively hurtful- advice
[12:58] <TandyUK> buZz: 'rm -rf /' ;)
[12:58] <Armand> buZz: *plz delete systemd
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[12:58] <buZz> TandyUK: rm -fr / is recommended, it deletes all french files (who needs those anyway!)
[12:58] <TandyUK> saounds fair :P
[12:58] <Armand> ^^ #winning
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[13:01] <whonut> If I want to detect a change in orientation (I want to make a sand timer sort of thing where the timer stops if the assembly is placed horizontally), will an accelerometer suffice or do I need a magnetometer/gyro as well?
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[13:02] <whonut> apologies if this isn't the right channel for such questions but I am planning on using a pi zerp
[13:02] <whonut> zero*
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[13:02] <Encrypt> buZz, Be careful, there are French speaker here :>
[13:02] <Encrypt> speakers*
[13:02] <Habbie> whonut, i think you're in the right place
[13:03] <pksato> whonut: on earth surface, only need a accelerometer.
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[13:04] <gordonDrogon> the next person who advisesa recursive delete of / gets kicked.
[13:04] <gordonDrogon> fun, or not.
[13:04] <whonut> pksato: dammit, there goes my plans for a space timer
[13:04] <Habbie> gordonDrogon, +1
[13:04] <SpeedEvil> If by 'horizontal' you mean 'roughly horizontal' - accellerometer is just fine
[13:04] <whonut> pksato thank you
[13:04] <SpeedEvil> accellerometers are great for rough accellerations
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[13:06] <whonut> SpeedEvil as long as it doesn't randomly think it's flipped 90 degrees then it should be fine. It's either going to be upright or 'lying down'
[13:06] <pksato> or on case, a "mercury" switch can be used.
[13:06] <SpeedEvil> whonut: accellerometers are now very cheap and good for that sort of thing
[13:07] <whonut> SpeedEvil fabuluous. I must admit that my eyes were watering slightly at the price of full IMUs for a mess-about project
[13:07] <SpeedEvil> Well - the price of full IMUs is coming down a hell of a lot
[13:08] <SpeedEvil> you can get them in a chip for $10ish
[13:08] <daveake> Even those aren't that expensive these days, but an accelerometer is all you need
[13:08] <SpeedEvil> But for just up/down - overkill
[13:08] <pksato> I had a clock with two "ball" swtich so sense orintation and change function.
[13:08] <pksato> to sense
[13:10] <pksato> generic name is tilt switch
[13:10] <gordonDrogon> whonut, a gyro will tell you your orientation. however tilt/mercuty/ball switches are far easier to use.
[13:10] <pksato> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10289
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[13:11] <gordonDrogon> it's hard to buy proper mercury switches these days though.
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[13:22] <whonut> OK, I'm a little overwhelmed. It sounds like a tilt sensor would be sufficient if I'm detecting 'portrait or landscape'. Am I wrong?
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[13:22] <whonut> Thank you all, by the way
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[13:27] <pksato> whonut: yes, and is easy to build a simple tilt sensor.
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[13:28] <pksato> http://www.instructables.com/id/Build-your-own-tilt-switch/
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[13:33] <pksato> http://portfolio.newschool.edu/demcg318/2014/11/03/diy-tilt-sensor/
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[13:48] <gordonDrogon> personally, I'd just buy the pre-built ones, although it can be educational to make one - the commercial ones are small and just as easy to use.
[13:48] <lonefish> With risk of starting another war, I only read the replies of TandyUK now. If you move a file, on the same disk, same partition, but different folder, the location of the file on the disk (physical bit location) doesn't get moved tho? Does it?
[13:49] <gordonDrogon> no
[13:50] <gordonDrogon> the physical sectors occupied by the file remain the same.
[13:50] <lonefish> so mv is preferred to cp/rm combo?
[13:50] <gordonDrogon> renaming (via the mv command) takes �S.
[13:50] <gordonDrogon> absolutely.
[13:50] <gordonDrogon> read the man page: man 2 rename
[13:50] <lonefish> As I thought, but got different advice, so started to doubt myself
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[13:51] <lonefish> Congrats on the @ btw :p
[13:51] <gordonDrogon> @?
[13:51] <Armand> Ops
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[13:51] <gordonDrogon> oh. been op here for a few years now.
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[13:51] <Armand> Your h@ (hat)
[13:51] <Armand> lol
[13:52] <gordonDrogon> ^ is a hat :)
[13:52] <Armand> w/e!
[13:52] <Armand> :P
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[13:52] <Armand> I auto-Ops on join in my own channels.. CBA with that chanserv command stoofs.
[13:52] <lonefish> Only noticed it a few minutes ago
[13:53] <gordonDrogon> yea, I tend to stay de-op most of the time. not sure why - just seems better I guess. who knows :)
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[13:53] <gordonDrogon> back later. kitchen time now.
[13:54] <Armand> I know the whole Freenode advisory thing says you shouldn't, but... meh.
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[14:28] <Dex-Freudii> any nice freehand drawing/writing notepad for Raspbian? like to export to PDF afterwards
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[14:31] <Bilby> gimp runs reasonably, I think
[14:31] <Dex-Freudii> it is not friendly for freehand writing/drawing
[14:32] <Bilby> Ah. I’ve only ever used it for basic photoshopp-y tasks
[14:32] <Dex-Freudii> yeah
[14:32] <Dex-Freudii> I want to use the RPi2 with the 7" touchscreen as a notepad sometiimes
[14:33] <Dex-Freudii> like for drawing schematics
[14:33] <Dex-Freudii> and exporting to pdf
[14:33] <gordonDrogon> nothing is good for frerehand drawing that I've found, however .... Tux Paint ???
[14:34] <Dex-Freudii> lets tryit
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[14:41] <AnonRecluse13> with the pi 2, it has a micro usb port that i can use with a micro usb to flash the image on to the SD right?
[14:42] <pksato> no
[14:42] <pksato> micro usb is only to power.
[14:42] <AnonRecluse13> i thought i could flash it through the micro usb power?
[14:42] <AnonRecluse13> dammit!
[14:43] <AnonRecluse13> so that means i have to get a microsd to usb?
[14:43] <AnonRecluse13> and pop the microsdxc in it and copy the image to it with unetbootin?
[14:44] <pksato> Yes
[14:44] <IT_Sean> pksato is correct. The Micro USB is just feh powah.
[14:44] <AnonRecluse13> ok
[14:44] <AnonRecluse13> thank you guys
[14:45] <AnonRecluse13> i look forward to putting OSMC and IPTV on it soon, i will let give you guys some feedback when it is up and running.
[14:45] <Bilby> That would be a neat feature, but i’m not sure how they’d implement that with the read/write channels on the SD card holder
[14:46] <pksato> On zero, A, A+ and CM,
[14:46] <AnonRecluse13> can i just buy a usb to microsdxc card reader and copy the image to it and then take out the sd card and pop it in the pi 2 and install?
[14:46] <pksato> Can be boot from USB (not the uUSB for power)
[14:46] <Armand> Best way to stream Netflix on rPi ?
[14:46] <IT_Sean> AnonRecluse13: you need to WRITE the image to the SD card, not just copy the file
[14:46] <AnonRecluse13> so i can create a bootable usb with OSMC on it fat32 bootable and install that from the usb port to the sd in the pi?
[14:47] <AnonRecluse13> i can do that, if its easier, sounds like the easiest
[14:47] <AnonRecluse13> IT_Sean, i realize that
[14:47] <Bilby> What are you running for a desktop computer - windows / osx / linux ?
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[14:49] <AnonRecluse13> me?
[14:49] <AnonRecluse13> Slackware 14.1
[14:51] <AnonRecluse13> sorry if that question was not directed at me
[14:51] <AnonRecluse13> but i answered it. lol
[14:53] <Bilby> it was
[14:53] <Bilby> the easiest way to write an image for the Pi is dd
[14:53] <AnonRecluse13> i run Slackware 14.1 on my desktop with dual 24 inch monitors
[14:53] <Bilby> https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/installation/installing-images/linux.md
[14:54] <AnonRecluse13> and i am going to get 2 rpi2's and run OSMC/Kodi on both of them with IPTV and my movies, tv shows shared through network folders.
[14:54] <AnonRecluse13> Bilby: Thank you for the link
[14:56] <AnonRecluse13> listening to Sexy Boy by Air, an old song, but such a good one.
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[15:03] <Bilby> oh that’s much better
[15:04] <Bilby> Untwisted 3 more flourescents in my office
[15:04] <sir_galahad_ad> o/
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[15:06] <Bilby> howdy
[15:06] <Tenkawa> Bilby: hey.. another great weather day eh?
[15:06] <Dex-Freudii> xpaint with touchscreen is not working correctly :(
[15:07] <Dex-Freudii> the brush/pencil moves around without actually painting
[15:07] <Tenkawa> and about to get more fun
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[15:08] <at0m> Dex-Freudii: like it gets the mouse but not the drag?
[15:08] <Dex-Freudii> yep
[15:08] <Dex-Freudii> when touching the touchscreen
[15:08] <Dex-Freudii> but with tuxpaint it works fine
[15:08] <at0m> can you click-drag other things, like windows?
[15:08] <at0m> oh
[15:08] <Tenkawa> oh great.. i think the transition to snow is already starting
[15:08] <Tenkawa> uggh
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[15:09] <Dex-Freudii> at0m, it is just the xpain
[15:09] <Dex-Freudii> xpaint*
[15:09] <Dex-Freudii> no pun intended
[15:09] <at0m> :D
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[15:11] <AnonRecluse13> Bilby: What OS do you use?
[15:11] <Bilby> Tenkawa: Rainy now, snowy later, what’s not to love? /s
[15:11] <Bilby> AnonRecluse13: pretty much all of them
[15:11] <AnonRecluse13> nice
[15:13] <Tenkawa> Bilby: downtown at least the snow is already starting
[15:13] <Tenkawa> its a mix atm however moving more and more to snow
[15:13] <mxtm> Boston?
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[15:14] <Tenkawa> ohio
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[15:14] <mxtm> ah similar here now
[15:14] <Tenkawa> oh I dont even want to think about what they are about to get hit with in Boston
[15:14] <mxtm> LOL
[15:14] <Tenkawa> I've heard anywhere up to like 2ft of snow
[15:15] <Tenkawa> no thanks
[15:15] <mxtm> Yeah who knows nothing has really fallen / accumulated hey
[15:15] <mxtm> yet*
[15:15] <Tenkawa> indeed
[15:15] <Tenkawa> no accum. here yet however tonight is our biggest concern
[15:16] <Tenkawa> things tend to shift quick
[15:16] <Bilby> luckily it’s been warm enough lately that the pavement is still above freezing so we shouldn’t end up with ice below the snow, but it’s still going to be crazy
[15:17] <Tenkawa> Bilby: for today I agree.. however after tonight though the cold will set it and its going to be rough driving tomorrow
[15:17] <Tenkawa> er it/in
[15:17] <AnonRecluse13> Bilby: that link basically says i have to dd it, can i not just make the OSMC image bootable with Unetbootin and install it through the usb port?
[15:17] <AnonRecluse13> i am happy to dd aswell, but it can take AGES to write an image, unless the BS is maxed out.
[15:18] <Tenkawa> how big image?
[15:18] <AnonRecluse13> as well* excuse my bad spelling
[15:18] <AnonRecluse13> its only about 150MB
[15:18] <Tenkawa> dd with oflag=direct and bs=2M usually is very fast
[15:19] <AnonRecluse13> its a compressed IMG file
[15:19] <AnonRecluse13> its just OSMC, its tiny
[15:19] <Tenkawa> like 2 minutes
[15:19] <Bilby> dd is best, anything else you do you’re off on your own
[15:19] <Tenkawa> if even that much
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[15:19] <Bilby> and afaik copy / make writeable doesn’t really work because there are at minimum 2 partitions on the SD card
[15:20] <AnonRecluse13> i dd'd my 2TB WD GREEN, with urandom and zero afterwards, with BS=100M it took at least 3 days.
[15:20] <AnonRecluse13> but it would have been extremely quick on a smaller size drive with those settings, haha
[15:20] <Bilby> O_o
[15:20] <AnonRecluse13> yeah, i think i nearly killed the drive
[15:20] <Bilby> drill press = faster than secure erase
[15:21] <Tenkawa> lets see if my serial/usb tty cable is going to play nice today
[15:21] <AnonRecluse13> but isn't it true that 2 dd's, 1 urandom and one zero, couldn't even be recovered by FBI, CIA, NSA? that is what i have heard on stack exchange
[15:22] <AnonRecluse13> well, basically, its impossible to recover for anyway, apparently
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[15:22] <AnonRecluse13> even once with zeros with dd is not recoverable apparently
[15:23] <AnonRecluse13> thats what i really meant, lol
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[15:25] <SpeedEvil> ingle wipe is not recoverable
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[15:25] <Bilby> ^
[15:25] <SpeedEvil> https://security.web.cern.ch/security/rules/images/overwriting-hard-drive-data.pdf
[15:25] <Bilby> when drives were small it was hypothetically possible to recover from a single wipe using some seriously advanced technology
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[15:26] <Bilby> now, it’s not even hypothetically possible once the data has been overwritte
[15:26] <Bilby> *n
[15:26] <Bilby> but like i said, drill press is fastest if you’re not usin the drive again :P
[15:27] <SpeedEvil> Shaped charge
[15:27] <Armand> Thermite
[15:27] <SpeedEvil> Or delete the key
[15:28] <IT_Sean> 10lbs of C4
[15:28] <AnonRecluse13> does this apply to SSD's too?
[15:29] <Dex-Freudii> after installing processing do I need to install any special library to use the gpio?
[15:29] <AnonRecluse13> one wipe with dd and its never coming back for an SSD?
[15:29] <AnonRecluse13> is that correct?
[15:29] <IT_Sean> Gotta make sure that nothing on that harddrive, nor any other harddrive in a 200 yard radius, is recoverable.
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[15:32] <at0m> IT_Sean: the disk is in a data center.
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[15:32] <at0m> I assume, cos it's a VPS
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[15:32] <Tenkawa> which 3 pins are for the tty cable on the pi 2?
[15:32] <Tenkawa> I keep finding 4 pin articles using 3.3v but not the 3 pin
[15:33] * Bilby curses in all the languages he knows and goes to google translate to curse in a few more
[15:33] <at0m> oh that was #debian
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[15:33] <Tenkawa> Bilby: heheh
[15:34] <Bilby> we have a few people working in a client’s office in canada and i just had this converstion
[15:34] <Tenkawa> oh fun
[15:35] <Bilby> me: okay, i’m setting up this profile for a new employee. how do you save your data - to our server, to their server, or in the cloud?
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[15:35] <Bilby> them: well, we had discussed before - with the guy before you - getting an external drive to back up with, but nothing was ever done
[15:35] <Tenkawa> ah hhaa... found the serial/pin manual for my cable yay
[15:35] <Tenkawa> Bilby: ouch
[15:35] <Bilby> me: so is anything saved anywhere?
[15:35] <Bilby> them: nothing has been archived
[15:36] <Bilby> … they’re all on older macbooks with mechanical drive
[15:36] <Bilby> me: … I’ll call you back
[15:36] <Bilby> I’m either going to set up dropbox or tell them to go out and buy an external drive -today-
[15:36] <Bilby> because are you bleep bleeping blep
[15:37] <at0m> dropbox ins't a backup... if file is deleted locally, it is deleted from dropbox?
[15:37] <nid0> its backup for the purposes of hardware failute
[15:37] <nid0> r*
[15:37] <Bilby> yes though there are some settings you can change. i’m not even worried about true backup, just redundancy
[15:38] <Bilby> + i can always mirror the dropbox install to the server and do differential backups of it there - it’s what i do with the CEO’s laptop
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[15:39] <Tenkawa> uugh some days being colorblind in this field can be really really annoying
[15:39] <at0m> CEO's files in the cloud? uh
[15:40] <Bilby> Tenkawa: patch cables? :P
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[15:40] <at0m> our CEO's laptop was taken from his office over lunchtime *grin*
[15:40] <Bilby> at0m: I’m not super psyched about it either but he has a tendancy to not be on the LAN long enough for local backup to work and I needed ~something~
[15:40] <Tenkawa> Bilby: ye
[15:40] <Tenkawa> p
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[15:40] <Tenkawa> ftdi cble
[15:40] <Tenkawa> er cablw
[15:40] <Tenkawa> er cable
[15:41] <Bilby> Tenkawa: remember, it’s grey-white grey, grey-white grey, grey-white grey, grey-white grey
[15:42] <Tenkawa> haaha
[15:42] <Tenkawa> thats good
[15:42] <Tenkawa> at least i "can" get it to work eventually
[15:43] <Bilby> sorry, had to poke fun… that’s seriously annoying though
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[15:43] <Bilby> are you red/green color blind?
[15:43] <Tenkawa> almost completely
[15:43] <Tenkawa> i see them however can identify very few
[15:44] <Bilby> a color identifying app would be useful except the wires are so small and often faint colors anyway i ddon’t know how useful it would be
[15:44] <AnonRecluse13> does any subscribe to IPTV on here?
[15:44] <AnonRecluse13> is it good?
[15:44] <Bilby> If you’re doing both ends you could use a continuity tester since it doesn’t matter what the wires are as long as you get the pattern right
[15:44] <Tenkawa> one of the reasons I'm so comfortable in plain black/white console linux
[15:45] <Tenkawa> its what I see the best
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[15:47] <Bilby> makes sense
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[15:48] <Tenkawa> yay.. cable is working
[15:48] <Bilby> \o/
[15:48] <Bilby> do you have a cable tester?
[15:48] <Tenkawa> yeah at home
[15:48] <Bilby> isn’t that always the case?
[15:48] <Tenkawa> indeed
[15:49] <Tenkawa> at least I figured it out
[15:49] <Bilby> I need to redo my work toolbox again, it’s become quite thrashed over the last several months as i’ve gone from job to job without a reorg
[15:50] <Tenkawa> found somoeone if I can get one purchased wants me to build them a pi zero "desktop"
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[15:50] <Bilby> why? there’s no advantage to the zero if you’re attaching K / V / M to it anyhow
[15:51] <Bilby> also i’d definitely try a color identification app next time you need to make a patch, it might work well enough to reduce your error rate at least
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[15:52] <Tenkawa> Bilby: cosat
[15:52] <Tenkawa> er cost
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[15:52] <Tenkawa> they want it as minimal as possible
[15:52] <Bilby> at
[15:54] <Tenkawa> thinking about just giving them one of my pi2's though
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[15:54] <Bilby> the A+ is about the same cost as Zero + adapters
[15:54] <Tenkawa> that way it has enough horsepower to give them some room
[15:54] <Bilby> since you need a mini hdmi -> hdmi and a usb
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[15:56] <Tenkawa> woohooo
[15:56] <Tenkawa> I 'think'
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[15:56] <Tenkawa> ahh there it goes
[15:56] <Tenkawa> wheew
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[15:58] <buZz> 15:54:09 < Bilby> the A+ is about the same cost as Zero + adapters
[15:58] <buZz> ignoring the fact that its not, you are correct!
[15:59] <TheLostAdmin> BuZz, it is when you take into account the cost of international shipping (should that be you only option). At which point the shipping costs dwarf the cost of the item itself. (At least that's *my* story).
[16:00] <buZz> yeah i remember that TheLostAdmin
[16:00] <buZz> from my time on mission to Jupiter
[16:00] <Bilby> Hypothetically you could get a Zero, mini hdmi to hdmi, and micro USB to USB adapter for $12-15 if you get lucky with pricing and buy cheap cables
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[16:00] <buZz> really didnt matter if i bought a 150" TV or the 250" one
[16:00] <Bilby> but if you’re going to use it as a computer you likely need more than one USB port, which means a hub - and now it’s more expensive
[16:01] <buZz> Bilby: maybe computers arent new to you
[16:01] <buZz> Bilby: so you already have a usbhub
[16:02] <Bilby> sure, but you still have to include the cost if you’re comparing costs for someone else
[16:02] <TheLostAdmin> Or if you want another computer and the USB hub you already have is in-use.
[16:03] <Bilby> otherwise i could say “well, this bugatti only costs $300 if you already have everything but the key”
[16:03] <buZz> Bilby: dont forget to also add a 42" HDMI tv to the costs
[16:03] <Armand> lol
[16:03] <buZz> Bilby: or its just stupid to even look at the price
[16:03] <TheLostAdmin> The more I use my Pi, the more I realize it is not a good substitute for a cheap PC. Even a really cheap Atom.
[16:03] <buZz> also i would say 300 usd for just a key is way overpriced
[16:03] <Bilby> that’s why I always buy a Saturn V rocket when I order Raspberry Pis online, otherwise it’s just not worth the shipping ;)
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[16:04] <Armand> Lemme know if you find a Bugatti key for such a small amount.
[16:04] <Bilby> That’s probably a third of a bugatti key
[16:04] <Armand> lol
[16:04] <Bilby> lol
[16:04] <Bilby> When you have a premium brand, everything is more expensive because it can be
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[16:04] <Bilby> but I digress
[16:04] <Armand> That's why I have debt... I AM a premium brand. :P
[16:05] <Bilby> TheLostAdmin: I think it is better than no computer, and the Pi 2 is fairly good if you only do basic documents + email + web
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[16:06] <Bilby> that being said, considering that the performance requirements for basic computer use have barely changed in a decade and there are lots of inexpensive used options on the market
[16:06] <Tenkawa> uggh this one nic wont link up
[16:06] <Bilby> :()
[16:06] <Bilby> Tenkawa: straighten out the wires and take a pic + post, someone can tell you which are which
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[16:07] <Tenkawa> no no.. this is just a usb wifi adapter acting up
[16:07] <Tenkawa> the cabling thing I did worked great
[16:08] <Tenkawa> I'm on to something else
[16:08] <Bilby> ah
[16:08] <Bilby> have you tried turning it off and back on again?
[16:08] <Tenkawa> darn asus wifi adapter
[16:08] <Tenkawa> getting ready to
[16:08] <niston> cabling
[16:08] <niston> awaits me too
[16:08] <TheLostAdmin> Bilby, yes the Pi (especially the Pi2) is very much better than no computer at all. As to basic documents, email, and web. I'm not so sure it is better than an entry level Zotac Zbox with an intel Atom processor. The USB bus doing everything for the Pi2 is really quite a bottleneck when you start to add a hard drive and network to it.
[16:08] <niston> running about 20 meters of XLR line from receiver to subwoofer
[16:08] <Bilby> TheLostAdmin: oh yeah, totally agree. People building NAS from them, I’m like uuuungh
[16:09] <Tenkawa> really a nas????
[16:09] <Bilby> ‘sup niston, long time no talky
[16:09] <Tenkawa> wow that would be io bound
[16:09] <niston> Bilby sup
[16:09] <Tenkawa> hey niston
[16:09] <niston> was at the denstist :/
[16:09] <Bilby> yeah it’s a common thing i see
[16:09] <Bilby> oh fun
[16:09] <niston> last wed
[16:09] <niston> still hurting
[16:09] <Bilby> i need to get back there again
[16:09] <niston> so Im eating painkillers like smarties
[16:10] <Tenkawa> wow this fstrim is taking its time haahaa
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[16:10] <niston> but other then that, XLR transformers and cabling and connectors arrived today. yay.
[16:10] <Tenkawa> if I can get this image built it will be time to replicate it across 4 pi2s
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[16:10] <niston> soon there will be 350W RMS bass power added to the home theater setup
[16:11] <Tenkawa> niston: nice
[16:11] <niston> neighbours gonna hate :>
[16:11] <Tenkawa> how/what many subs
[16:11] <niston> one teufel M6200
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[16:11] <niston> acquired for almost free
[16:11] * Tenkawa is still a kicker fan
[16:11] <Armand> Ahh, yes!!
[16:11] <Armand> Must find speakers! :D
[16:11] <niston> the built in amplifier is a piece of crap though
[16:11] <Tenkawa> kicker is stillwater designs right?
[16:11] <Armand> I still have my old '99 model DD amp
[16:12] <Bilby> niston, plate amplifier?
[16:12] <niston> yeah
[16:12] <niston> its like, inconvenient as inconvenient can be
[16:12] <niston> ie it has no auto on/off, no power buttons nada
[16:12] <niston> it needs a remote control
[16:12] <Bilby> Cheap car amplifier + repurposed computer power supply? :P
[16:12] <Armand> We bought TVs for our new apartment on Saturday.. Just need new speakers for the old amp
[16:12] <niston> then, the mains transformer produces strong hum
[16:12] <Armand> Bilby: Done that. ;)
[16:12] <Bilby> ew, usually the cube subs with plate amps have auto power on signal
[16:13] <niston> not through the speaker, but in the actual case
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[16:13] <niston> plus the phase and crossover function is borked (don't need though, the amp does that)
[16:13] <Tenkawa> this is making no sense
[16:13] <Bilby> I’m really REALLY regretting selling all of my vintage hi-fi stuff several years ago, as I now have a few pairs of small speakers and not a single decent amplifier
[16:13] <Tenkawa> "this" box is on the same ssid/wifi
[16:13] <Tenkawa> the other nic one cant connect
[16:13] <Armand> Bilby: http://www.hifiengine.com/manual_library/pioneer/vsa-e03.shtml
[16:13] <Bilby> I bought one of those T-amps and a cheap shelf speaker pair from Parts Express hoping to have something good enough for the kitchen
[16:14] <Bilby> and it is impressive how much sound they put out for the tiny amount of wattage it draws but there’s like, no bass
[16:14] <niston> I'm just waiting for the PoC to die
[16:14] <niston> gonna replace it with some other plate amp then
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[16:14] <Bilby> yerp
[16:15] <niston> was thinking a parts express one
[16:15] <niston> bash 300W or something
[16:15] <Tenkawa> this makes no sense
[16:15] <Bilby> Actually I do still have my (now) ancient RCA-Branded Pioneer, but my Father has been “borrowing” it for the last 8 years to use on his Onkyo speakers
[16:16] <Bilby> i’ve heard reasonably good things about those niston
[16:16] <Bilby> I’d like to try DIY building a folded horn sub, was thinking of using one of those to push it
[16:16] <buZz> Bilby: good point, dont forget to add amplifier and speakers to the price of pizero
[16:16] <buZz> clearly need it
[16:16] <niston> will need to convert to 240V though
[16:16] <Tenkawa> it even sees it when I run iw commands
[16:16] <buZz> yes, also add price of power network
[16:16] <buZz> nobody has that at home
[16:17] <Bilby> buZz: If you don’t have at least a kilowatt in speakers, you might as well sit in silence
[16:17] <Tenkawa> time to connect manually
[16:17] <buZz> exactly
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[16:18] <buZz> so i agree Bilby , pizero is same price as B+
[16:18] <niston> Bilby: apparently the bash 300W puts out around 340W in reality
[16:18] <buZz> provided you still need hdtv, harddisks, amplifier, speakers, new power connection to grid
[16:18] <buZz> etf
[16:18] <niston> according to some dood who did some measurement and then raved about it in some forum
[16:18] <buZz> etc*
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[16:18] <Bilby> niston: Nice. it’s always pleasant when an inexpensive piece of electronics actually overperforms
[16:19] <Bilby> so often you buy them and realize you really should have spent more money...
[16:19] <Bilby> *cough* Pyle *cough*
[16:19] <niston> yeah
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[16:20] <niston> also got a possible replacement midrange driver for my beolab pentas the other day
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[16:20] <niston> looks like it's going to fit with a little bit of mechanical tweaking
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[16:20] <Bilby> nice
[16:21] <ScrumpyJack> anyone played with a codebug?
[16:21] <niston> yeah those will rock once restored
[16:21] <Bilby> It’s irritating that vintage has become “everything not current”. Video game systems, cars, and stereo gear all seem to have lost that drop in price between when it’s new and when it becomes collectable
[16:21] <TheLostAdmin> And all this time, I though the world was giving up on good sound. All I see at the store these days is bluetooth speakers. Most of them mono and the few stereo put the speakers too close to each other to do any good.
[16:21] <niston> Bilby: not sure what you mean?
[16:22] <Bilby> I used to be able to pick up old speakers online for cheap and just re-foam them, but no longer. I guess part of it is that things that are in that cheap range would be made in the 90s when quality when to crap
[16:22] <Bilby> niston: like with speakers
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[16:22] <niston> ah yeah
[16:22] <Bilby> new speakers have a cost because they’re new, or newer models
[16:22] <niston> a pair of decent speakers will still cost some $$ even when used
[16:22] <sir_galahad_ad> o/
[16:22] <buZz> giveawayshops are overflowing with speakers :P
[16:22] <Bilby> “vintage” speakers are more expensive because they’re more rare and appreciated for their quality
[16:22] <niston> pentas for example sometimes go for over one grand
[16:22] <buZz> maybe you're jsut not looking right ;)
[16:22] <niston> with BROKEN MIDRANGES
[16:22] <niston> !!!
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[16:23] <Bilby> maybe just not around here
[16:23] <buZz> they get exported to lyberia
[16:23] <Bilby> there are a ton of colleges near me which probably means a lot less surviving big speakers :P
[16:23] <niston> I mean, ok, they were like 7 grand back in 1986 or so
[16:23] <Bilby> hey, liberians have to rock out too
[16:23] <Bilby> *need
[16:23] <Bilby> niston: lol i hear you
[16:23] <niston> but seriously, a pair of speakers with totally wasted drivers in it...
[16:23] <Bilby> I filpped several sets of bose 301s in the mid 00s
[16:24] <Bilby> yeah. at what point does the value drop because it’s really just an empty cabinet?
[16:24] <niston> and then ppl go on about how they still sound superb and stuff
[16:24] <niston> you remove the grille and point them at the completely rotten foam surroundings
[16:24] <Bilby> The lumber may be hard to get but they’re not like antique instruments
[16:24] <lonefish> I heard bose is pretty overated in terms of audiophiles? Is that right or just apple vs. windows like rivalry?
[16:24] <Bilby> surrounds aren’t even tough to replace!
[16:24] <niston> bose aint audiophile
[16:25] <at0m> actually, for studio use, old monitors are useless cos drivers wear out.
[16:25] <niston> wilson watt/puppy is audiophile :P
[16:25] <at0m> at home they might be fun cos more character.
[16:25] <Bilby> lonefish: current bose is good for small apartments, executive suites - places where you want a lot of sound but not much volume.
[16:25] <Bilby> however, they’re pretty overpriced for what they are and they start to suck as soon as you crank them up
[16:26] <lonefish> yeah, once you go to partylevel it's horrible. Know that one from experience..
[16:26] <Bilby> bose commercial / PA gear is… okay… decent for lectures and the like but again as soon as you crank it, no mas
[16:26] <Bilby> it’s not what they’re designed for
[16:26] <niston> Bilby: yeah. also, I'm not positive that the speakers parameters wont fundamentally change if used with different (replacement) surrounds ?
[16:26] <Bilby> 301s are older wood shelf speakers that use some of the folded design and imo are pretty good
[16:27] <Tenkawa> anyone know offhand if rpi-update has a download/prep only function
[16:27] <Tenkawa> I need to get a kernel to a box I dont have online atm
[16:27] <Bilby> niston: you’d need to break them in and i suppose hypothetically it could change somewhat, but it’s still improved over no surrounds xD
[16:27] <niston> Bilby: haha yeah xD
[16:28] <Tenkawa> ooh nm.. think I got a pla
[16:28] <Tenkawa> n
[16:28] <niston> I'll have to replace surrounds on 4 of the bass drivers
[16:28] <Tenkawa> haahaa
[16:28] <Bilby> the material of the cones and the type and size of magnet have more to do with a driver’s sound #elnicoforever
[16:28] <niston> also the dust caps have been molested
[16:28] <niston> so need to change 'em too
[16:28] <Bilby> usually i did dust covers + surounds at the same time because yeah, often toddler fingers poked them in
[16:29] <niston> yep
[16:29] <niston> its a telltale sign that only the lower two bass drivers in each speaker were poked in
[16:29] <Bilby> hmm. well, i knew i should have kept a change list on this code and sure enough i have no idea what i was last doing <_<
[16:29] <Bilby> hah! yep
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[16:35] <lonefish> nooooooes :(
[16:35] <lonefish> woops. Wrong window. My bad.
[16:35] * IT_Sean slaps lonefish
[16:36] <lonefish> Sowwy.
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[16:47] <Tenkawa> wow
[16:47] <Tenkawa> finallty got the nic up
[16:52] <Chillum> yay
[16:52] <Bilby> \o/
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[16:54] <Tenkawa> now to get all the other mess i need
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[17:00] <Tenkawa> much better
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[17:01] <Tenkawa> now if I could figure out how to wedge a pi zero in this case
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[17:09] * IT_Sean hands Tenkawa a hammer
[17:10] * Armand lumps IT_Sean with a hammer
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[17:10] <IT_Sean> Exqueeze me?
[17:11] * IT_Sean chooses to ignore Armand's transgression and instead ponders lunch
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[17:14] * Armand throws week old baguettes at IT_Sean!
[17:14] * Armand runs away!
[17:15] * ChanServ sets mode +o IT_Sean
[17:16] * IT_Sean idly flicks a spec of dust off the banhammer
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[17:17] * Armand dives for cover!
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[17:19] * Bilby steals IT_Sean’s banhammer and replaces it with a bananahammer
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[17:20] <IT_Sean> you are all really tempting me this morning. It's been a while since i've gotten to kick anyone, and my tigger finger is getting mighty itchy...
[17:21] <Armand> Give it 40 minutes and I'm outta here anyway. :P
[17:21] <Armand> Got to get ready to move into the new apartment tomorrow. :D
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[17:21] <Bilby> is your tigger finger feeling… bouncy?
[17:22] <Bilby> Armand: nice, movin on up
[17:22] <IT_Sean> kick Bilby Itch resolved
[17:22] <Armand> T I Double-GGrrrr Err!
[17:22] <Bilby> ;)
[17:22] <Armand> ^_^
[17:22] <IT_Sean> :p
[17:22] <Armand> Bilby: Damn right.. Currently using an airbed in someone's living room. �_�
[17:23] <IT_Sean> sofa surfin'?
[17:23] * IT_Sean sets mode -o IT_Sean
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[17:23] <Armand> Nah.. My wife wouldn't handle that.
[17:23] <IT_Sean> ...? 'sofa surfin'' is living in someone's living room.
[17:24] <Armand> Technicalities, bruv. :P
[17:24] <Armand> We're not actually *on* the sofa. ^_^
[17:24] <Armand> But I get your meaning.
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[17:28] <IT_Sean> I'm also not your bruv. Why the indoor camping?
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[17:29] <Armand> lol
[17:30] <Armand> I moved us into a place that was really not good... So we ended up crashing at my sister in law's place to get our money together for a new apartment.
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[17:31] <sir_galahad_ad> i just had a brilliant idea! what if we made solder with a rosin flux already in the core of the solder!
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[17:31] * sir_galahad_ad becomes a billionaire
[17:31] <Armand> sir_galahad_ad: http://www.somersetsolders.com/lead-free-solder-wire-with-rosin-flux/p74?gclid=CjwKEAiAluG1BRDrvsqCtYWk81gSJACZ2BCeb-6LWZeKcgK9-zJaCDfrMwHpZlwWXDvxvKiF4LWyEhoChkDw_wcB
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[17:32] <sir_galahad_ad> was joking :)
[17:32] * Armand shoots down Brave sir_galahad_ad
[17:32] <Armand> ^_^
[17:33] <IT_Sean> Ah, I see. That's a bummer.
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[17:34] <Armand> Very much was.. but at least we got a really nice apartment now. :)
[17:34] <Armand> Bought two new TVs on Saturday. Internet + TV service is installed on Wednesday.
[17:35] <Armand> Tomorrow will be an absolute ****ache to move all of our stuff, but at least we won't need to do it again for another 4 years. :P
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[17:37] <IT_Sean> Been there, dude.
[17:37] <IT_Sean> Moving is NOT fun.
[17:37] <Armand> Not at all.
[17:37] <IT_Sean> Glad I won my own place now.
[17:38] <Armand> Yeah, we're not doing that here. :P
[17:38] <Armand> We'll wait the 4 years and look to buy in the USA.
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[17:38] <IT_Sean> *s/won/own
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[17:39] <IT_Sean> wish I won it. Jeez... $$$$
[17:39] <IT_Sean> Still glad I won my own place.
[17:39] <Armand> fnaar
[17:39] <IT_Sean> Goddammit! *own
[17:39] <IT_Sean> What is so hard about typing 'own'!?
[17:39] * IT_Sean slaps his keyboard
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[17:40] <ViiBit> Hey
[17:40] <niston> heh¨
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[17:40] <niston> the XLR transformers work perfectly
[17:40] <niston> or baluns or whatever they are called
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[17:42] <ViiBit> Has anyone used pi's GPIO pins?
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[17:42] <sir_galahad_ad> yes
[17:42] <sir_galahad_ad> many people have :)
[17:42] <Habbie> ViiBit, many people have, just ask your question
[17:42] <IT_Sean> ViiBit: Nope. Noone. Ever.
[17:42] <sir_galahad_ad> Habbie: jinx!
[17:42] <ViiBit> Derp
[17:43] <sir_galahad_ad> what's up ViiBit?
[17:43] <ViiBit> I'm helping a friend set one up in his apartment. He want's it to be able to buz someone in after they ring the doorbell
[17:43] <ViiBit> OH! Hey sir_galahad_ad :)
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[17:43] <sir_galahad_ad> :O
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[17:43] <niston> Bilby: sub engaged :>
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[17:44] <ViiBit> So I just wanted to know what extra things we'd need
[17:44] <ViiBit> Or if it's possible?
[17:44] <IT_Sean> It is possible
[17:44] <IT_Sean> It will need some things
[17:44] <IT_Sean> what things you needd will depent A LOT on the specifics of the apartment buzzer inner thing.
[17:44] <sir_galahad_ad> the buzzing in infrastructure is already existing in the apt?
[17:45] <ViiBit> Yeah
[17:45] <niston> I'd like to hook up my buzzer to a pi, too. but the cables go straight into the wall mounted phone device thingy :(
[17:45] <ViiBit> So the pi would act as a middle man between certain hours
[17:45] <methuzla> and a vulnerability
[17:45] <IT_Sean> Do you know anything about the buzzer interphone? Is it AC or DC? What voltage? Digital or Analog?
[17:46] <ViiBit> methuzla, major vulnerability but he wants it haha
[17:47] <Habbie> i just want to monitor my buzzer
[17:47] <Habbie> should be relatively easy
[17:47] <Habbie> but i haven't looked at it yet
[17:47] <ViiBit> Yeah, it's about 17-20 volts
[17:47] <IT_Sean> I think he should re-think this. If someone were to use the vulnerability he is introudicing to access the building, he could be held liable by his neighbors for any damages. It will also very likely violate his lease.
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[17:47] <Anitox> haha
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[17:49] <ViiBit> I'm not sure if it's Digital or Analog. But it's a 4 bedroom apartment. And is it really a vulnerability if it's offline?
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[17:49] <IT_Sean> if it's offline how is it going to do anything?
[17:50] <IT_Sean> i.e. how is he going to trigger it?
[17:51] <ViiBit> It would be installed and the script would basically be running until he want's to modify it, they he'd remove it change it, add it back in
[17:51] <ViiBit> At least that's how I was going to instruct him to do it
[17:51] <ViiBit> I didn't think something like that needed to be online
[17:51] <nid0> but what's the script doing?
[17:52] <nid0> I think you need to flesh out what you're hoping to achieve and how you're hoping to achieve it a bit here
[17:52] <ViiBit> Checking the time on the pi, and buzzing someone in automatically if it's between say 10pm and 3am
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[17:52] <ViiBit> Hmm
[17:52] <IT_Sean> Buzzing zomeone in automatically is a HUGE vulnerability.
[17:52] <nid0> so someone rings the doorbell, and the pi - entirely automatically - hears the bell ring and opens the door?
[17:52] <IT_Sean> this is a Not Good idea.
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[17:53] <Armand> *Not Good Idea (tm)
[17:53] <IT_Sean> this idea is Un-Good (tm)
[17:53] <Armand> Badong
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[17:55] <ViiBit> ^Agreed now that I think about it, but he still wants to try it for fun, and I'd still like to try cause I'm just really curious andd it's not my apartment hehe
[17:56] <IT_Sean> ViiBit: this is a bad idea. You and him could both be legally accountable if someone gained access to the apartment via this "hack" and harmed one of your neighbors, or robbed them, etc. Secure door buzzers exist for a reason.
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[17:56] <buZz> sooo many highlights
[17:56] <buZz> :)
[17:57] <nid0> i'm also struggling to come up with any concievable reason for such a system other than your friend running a brothel and wanting things to be more discreet for the johns
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[17:57] <Bilby> niston: Nice. Go watch something with a pleasant rumble :3
[17:57] <ViiBit> True true, IT_Sean. I see your concerns. I'll ask him now to make sure he has building consent
[17:58] <buZz> buildings have opinions? :P
[17:58] <IT_Sean> ViiBit: I'm going to go out on a limb here and go so far as to say that #raspberrypi is NOT a good place to ask about possibly endangering peoples lives.
[17:58] <buZz> IT_Sean: ah humbug
[17:58] <buZz> i just wanted to ask how i should make a raspi-landmine
[17:59] <IT_Sean> I mean, it's an interesting project in theory, for the academics, but, should NOT be done on an actual multi-tenant residence.
[17:59] <ViiBit> But everything's a vulnerability, so how do we learn?
[17:59] <ViiBit> Ah, understandable
[17:59] <nid0> by exploiting them for yourself, not other people
[18:00] <IT_Sean> yeah, as soon as a project endangers other people's lives or property, it's no longer a good idea.
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[18:00] <IT_Sean> and this has a really BIG chance of going terribly badly.
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[18:05] <ViiBit> True true, I'll let him know now. Thanks for the further insight though, it's much appreciated :)
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[18:12] <MY123> multicore bare-metal is deeply annoying
[18:12] <Bilby> Ooh, i bet
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[18:19] <gordonDrogon> it depends on what you're doing with it.
[18:19] <MY123> gordonDrogon: it's mutex sync that drives me mad
[18:20] <gordonDrogon> :)
[18:20] <gordonDrogon> well those were all more or less solved a long time back. there's very little new in comp sci these days...
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[18:31] <sampls> Hello. Id like to a copy a file from my Desktop to my Raspberry. I have already SSH:d into it.
[18:32] <Bilby> hi sampls, there are a few ways you can do this
[18:32] <Bilby> you can use sftp to connect to the pi and transfer, or set up a SMB or AFP daemon to transfer files
[18:32] <nid0> WinSCP]
[18:33] <sampls> Which would you suggest?
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[18:33] <furkan> Does anybody know if it's possible to play back 720p (or even 1080p) MJPEG on a raspberry pi?
[18:34] <MY123> furkan: you can with omxplayer
[18:34] <furkan> At 30fps?
[18:35] <Encrypt> sampls, What is the OS on your dekstop?
[18:35] <Encrypt> desktop computer*
[18:36] <sampls> Windows 10 but I can boot to Arch if it helps.
[18:36] <Encrypt> sampls, Because the simplest way would be to use SFTP
[18:36] <Bilby> ^
[18:37] <Encrypt> sampls, On Nautilus for example, you just have to do: Ctrl + L and then ssh://user@192.168.x.x
[18:37] <Encrypt> This will mount your remote filesystem locally
[18:37] <Encrypt> Then, a copy and paste is super easy
[18:37] <sampls> I really apologize but I have to go afk. I will look up SFTP, thanks!
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[18:37] <Encrypt> Or if you prefer using the terminal, scp is your friend
[18:37] <ozzzy> sampls, WinSCP
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[18:38] <Bilby> I assume he’s already using winscp since he’s ssh’d in
[18:38] <ozzzy> probably putty
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[18:39] <Bilby> oh durr
[18:39] <Bilby> I’m having a case of the dumbs
[18:39] <Bilby> it’s lunchtime <_<
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[18:54] <Bilby> Dang I want a 3D printer
[18:55] <IT_Sean> Buy one
[18:56] <skaman21> Build one?
[18:57] <traeak> davinci jr ?
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[19:00] <Myrtti> M3D
[19:00] <skaman21> Rostock?
[19:00] <traeak> i saw an m3d this past weekend...just checking out how precise it might be
[19:01] <traeak> 399usd at microcenter
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[19:02] <Myrtti> we've got one from their Kickstarter. Haven't really used it much
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[19:03] <traeak> just wondering...the ability to make good quality lego type pieces would be ideal
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[19:08] <Bilby> Yeah… there’s also a really nice makerspace near me that has several. I might have to cough up the money for a subscription
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[19:12] <gordonDrogon> I'm still not that convinced by 3D printers... Besides, I've no-where to put one )-:
[19:12] <traeak> there's that too
[19:12] <traeak> and for myself i don't knwo what i would use it ofr
[19:12] <Encrypt> gordonDrogon, 3D bread printer \o/
[19:12] <Encrypt> gordonDrogon, That should convince you :D
[19:13] <Bilby> haha
[19:13] <Bilby> I don’t have a ton of need for one (hence not wanting to spend 500 - 1500 on it) but i have a couple of case designs i might want to build
[19:13] <traeak> dump the dough in the top
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[19:13] <Bilby> specifically the Pi touchscreen + Pi A+
[19:13] <gordonDrogon> Encrypt, haha... I've seen a 3D chocolate printer...
[19:13] <Encrypt> gordonDrogon, http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/eats/new-3d-printer-dinner-article-1.1545538 :D
[19:13] <gordonDrogon> however there are many machines that already form dough - drop it into tins, make rolls, etc.
[19:14] <Bilby> gordonDrogon: depending on the printer and plastic you could print special guides to hold loaves, or replacement parts for things
[19:14] <Encrypt> Oh, I didn't know that
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[19:14] <Bilby> I’ve also considered it to make bucks for other material processes (molding, casting)
[19:14] <Bilby> design in CAD, print in 3d, make a cast of the print, make parts from the cast
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[19:16] <gordonDrogon> there are factories that make over a million loaves a day - none of that gets touched by hand...
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[19:26] <Bilby> Industrial food is as fascinating as it is disturbing
[19:26] <Chillum> industry has to eat something
[19:27] <Bandou> hey guys can u advise to use the pi1/pi2 as an server for backups?
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[19:28] <Bilby> Bandou, you can but there are better options if you have a few dollars you can spend.
[19:28] <shiftplusone> Bandou: depends
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[19:29] <gordonDrogon> Bilby, yes - its something I could rant on about for hours - the industrial processing of our food, however ...
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[19:29] <shiftplusone> I would use as a backup for cat photos. I wouldn't use it as google's backup server.
[19:30] <Bilby> lol
[19:30] <gordonDrogon> one of the sad things is that the worst thing that happened to bread, the Chorleywood bread process is now virtually "traditional" as its over 50 years old )-:
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[19:31] <Chillum> Are these cheap boost modules good enough to run a pi zero? www.ebay.ca/itm/281816410353
[19:31] <Bandou> just want to save some pictures, doc und some movies. only backups ,no networkstreams.
[19:32] <Chillum> I know full sized pis draw to many amps for them, but pi zeros stay well under 500mA. Just not sure how stable of a voltage these put out
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[19:33] <gordonDrogon> Chillum, should be but there's little margin in it. not sure about a wi-fi dongle...
[19:33] <gordonDrogon> Chillum, a full size pi doesn't take many amps... they idle at about 300mA.
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[19:33] <gordonDrogon> (depending on the Pi, hardware/software, etc.)
[19:33] <Chillum> I measured using my multimeter and the pi zero with wifi idling was about 230mA, and uploading high speed it was 280mA
[19:34] <gordonDrogon> the original Pi's only had a 700mA polyfuse fitted too.
[19:34] <Chillum> though I imagine using the GPU would change that
[19:34] <gordonDrogon> probably.
[19:34] <Bilby> aaand now i’m reading Wikipedia <_<
[19:34] <Chillum> I am trying to make a battery shield for the pi zero
[19:34] <Chillum> gunna steal the design from that ebay boost
[19:34] <Chillum> though, they are just using the schematic recommended in the datasheet
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[19:35] <Bilby> gordonDrogon: so basically they use a lot of manual manipulation and some additives to make it rise quickly, is that right?
[19:35] <Chillum> I got all ready to follow the traces and test all the parts, looked up the boost IC and saw the exact schematic on the board
[19:35] <Chillum> reverse engineering denied
[19:35] <Bilby> lol
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[19:36] <Bilby> Lots of chips like that, the cheap versions of the completed product are just using the reference design
[19:37] <Chillum> I am so glad I have graduated from wiring ebay boards together to copying their design and integrating them into my own boards
[19:37] <Chillum> so much more tidy
[19:37] <gordonDrogon> Bilby, yes - high speed mixing under controlled presure & temperature. it does get a resting period for the yeast to do something, but it's flour to baked loaf in under an hour. (another 2 to cool down before it can be sliced & bagged)
[19:37] <Bilby> Bandou: the problem with using the Pi for backup or file storage is 2-fold: 1, the ethernet connection is limited to 100 Mbit, so backups are slowed down and a large backup may take a very long time to complete. 2, the ethernet connection is on a shared USB 2 bus, so by plugging the hard drive into the bus it’s effectively halving the possible throughput
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[19:38] <gordonDrogon> and if you have a 2nd drive for mirroring, it's even slower. However it does work and I know a few people using for that purpose.
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[19:38] <gordonDrogon> and small office file servers too.
[19:38] <Bilby> Granted, at hi speed USB 2 that’s still ~ 40 MB / s, but you won’t get near that
[19:38] <Bilby> yep, tis’ definitely doable
[19:39] <Bilby> I”m also not sure how much the processing power limits throughput… probably significantly if you’re doing software RAID or server-side deduplication
[19:39] <Bilby> but yes, it’s definitely doable
[19:39] * Bilby wonders what kind of speed gains can be achieved with that SD to USB adapter someone linked to the other day
[19:40] <Bilby> gordonDrogon: Interesting. most of the wiki article refers to the UK but i’d assume US bakeries use much the same process
[19:40] <Bilby> since speed and reproducability is everything in that environment
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[19:41] <Bandou> hmmm, i will try it cause the pi has very low consumption.
[19:43] <gordonDrogon> Bilby, no - it's not common in the US - they typically use a continuous production process but isn't as mechanically demanding AIUI (don't know that much about it as I live in the UK and care about local stuff first)
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[19:43] <gordonDrogon> I'd not dream of using anything more than linux s/w raid mirroring and ext4 on a Pi...
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[19:44] <gordonDrogon> and raid needing checksum calcs will go much slower, as will de-dups & compression.
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[20:18] <aethersis> hello, I have the following issue: I run VNC server on kubuntu on arm linux and it works fine, however when I try to run some applications (especially qt-based), the keyboard input doesn't work. There seem to be two problems: The first is that qt seems to render directly to framebuffer on ARM so that VNC can't capture screen properly from X and the other problem is that the main display is set as :0, however I'm running VNC on
[20:18] <aethersis> display :1 because :0 is locked. Is there some workaround?
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[20:23] <Polymorphism> NRF24l01 if I want 6 nodes with 2 way communication to one hub, is that doable? Do I need to use rf24network? or can I just use normal library.
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[20:53] <Polymorphism> in a moment I'm going to set the record for most nrf24l01s smashed in 10 seconds
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[20:55] <Polymorphism> ...
[20:55] * Polymorphism tells himself, "not worth it.... not worth it..."
[20:55] <Polymorphism> deep breath
[20:55] <buZz> reggieuk all over again :P
[20:55] * Polymorphism doesn't mean about the nrfs xD
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[20:56] <Vooch> i've been trying to install raspbian jessie for the past couple weeks, but my pi 2 keeps freezing up when I try doing apt-get install gdm3 or kdm. any ideas on why the pi 2 is locking up?
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[20:56] <Polymorphism> hidemoar
[20:56] <Polymorphism> cloak
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[20:58] <Bilby> oh goodness, snow
[20:58] <traeak> Vooch: sdcard ?
[20:58] <Vooch> it's a class 10 sdcard, so i wouldn't think that's the problem
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[20:58] <Vooch> new one too
[20:59] <Polymorphism> what a coward
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[21:00] <Vooch> i guess i'll just try the numerous suggestions on the forum to try to narrow it down.
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[21:06] <Polymorphism> good
[21:06] <Polymorphism> lucjk
[21:06] <Polymorphism> Vooch,
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[21:12] <Polymorphism> NRF24l01 if I want 6 nodes with 2 way communication to one node , is that doable? Do I need to use rf24network? or can I just use RF24 normal library.
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[21:23] <ScrumpyJack> anyone know how to use one of those tri color rbg diodes?
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[21:25] <buZz> ScrumpyJack: use em like they are 3 leds
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[21:26] <Bilby> Depending on which ones you get they’ll be common anode or common cathode
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[21:26] <Bilby> most of them are common cathode i think, so you just set up a pin each for R G B and the last pin goes to ground
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[21:28] <waveform> we've got a class for that in gpiozero :)
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[21:29] <waveform> http://gpiozero.readthedocs.org/en/latest/api_output.html#rgbled
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[21:30] <waveform> hmm ... bug in the constructor docs there (missing initial_value) ... think I fixed that in the 1.1 release PR so that'll be fixed in a bit
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[21:30] <TrekBike> anyone seen this? I just ran apt-get upgrade and it said "WARNING: the following packages cannot be authenticated!"
[21:31] <Polymorphism> any NRF24l01 master here?
[21:31] <waveform> means either your package index is out of date (run "sudo apt-get update" first) or you've got some additional sources that haven't signed their stuff properly
[21:31] <Polymorphism> I want 6 nodes with 2 way communication to one node , is that doable? Do I need to use rf24network? or can I just use RF24 normal library.
[21:31] <Polymorphism> http://www.elecfreaks.com/wiki/images/6/6c/N24l01_figure05.jpg
[21:32] <Polymorphism> is this graphic showing that functionalityy is built in?
[21:32] <TrekBike> I was always run apt-get update first
[21:32] <Polymorphism> do I need RF24network/
[21:32] <Polymorphism> or is rf24 ernough
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[21:33] <waveform> TrekBike, got any additional sources beyond the usual bog standard mirrordirector one?
[21:34] <TrekBike> I just ran it again, and this time it didn't get give the warning
[21:34] <TrekBike> I wonder if one of the mirrors is bad
[21:34] <waveform> ah, it's possible
[21:34] <waveform> (happens occasionally)
[21:34] <shiftplusone> TrekBike: which packages?
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[21:35] <TrekBike> Quite a few packages.
[21:35] <shiftplusone> from raspbian.org or raspberrypi.org?
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[21:35] <TrekBike> some X server packages, mesa packages, other video driver related packages
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[21:35] <shiftplusone> sounds like raspberrypi.org
[21:35] <Anitox> was the sam thing for me
[21:35] <Chillum> nice. Just got one of thse in the mail: www.ebay.ca/itm/351098659042
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[21:36] <shiftplusone> I saw that a short while ago, ran apt-get update and it was fine, but the fact that it happened is quite suspicious.
[21:36] <redstarcomrade> wow theres a channel for everything on freenode
[21:36] <Chillum> it lets you flip 180 degrees and ahve your pi zero sit flat against your battery pack
[21:36] <TrekBike> rasp-config and related packages are also in the list
[21:36] <Anitox> yeah, i canceled the upgrade and re-ran it, and it didnt have the error anymore
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[21:37] <TrekBike> For security, I tend to believe everything is bad until proven good.
[21:38] <Chillum> even then, only so good
[21:38] <shiftplusone> I know mythicbeasts have had some trouble with one of the load balancers not being configured correctly a few days ago, so it might still be related to that.
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[21:38] <shiftplusone> (they provide the hosting for the pi website and repo)
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[21:39] <TrekBike> I really want to turn one of my Pi's into a Snort box
[21:39] <Chillum> TrekBike: don't you think the low speed network will be problematic?
[21:39] <TrekBike> I just don't know if the USB to Dual Ethernet adapters work with the Pi and if the pi can keep up.
[21:40] <TrekBike> I only have 50 Mbps of bandwidth
[21:40] <fominodats> hey does anyone have much experience using i2c? I'm trying to set up basic i2c communication between two raspberry pis and it's not going so well
[21:41] <TrekBike> Why would you use I2C between 2 Pi's?
[21:41] <Bilby> TrekBike: thinking of setting up a router?
[21:41] <Chillum> you can expect about 100 mbit total, so half in, half out
[21:41] <Chillum> and openwrt router would do a better job
[21:41] <TrekBike> Bilby: I was thinking about sitting a bridge between my router and cable modem
[21:41] <daveake> Can the Pi be an i2c slave? I thought not.
[21:42] <selckin> one thing about ipv6 is when your raspberry print it on screen its a PITA to copy over from across the room
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[21:42] <fominodats> to get an understanding of i2c before moving on to more complex implementations
[21:42] <TrekBike> And then set Snort to analyze the bridge interface
[21:42] <Chillum> fominodats: I wanted to create a network of pis using I2C, but no go. I considered making an MCU to act as a bridge between them but moved onto another rpoject
[21:42] <fominodats> and i2c is fine with multi-master
[21:42] <Bilby> TrekBike: gotcha. Not sure how well that would work
[21:43] <Bilby> hypothetically you have 480mbit to work with on the bus but i don’t know what overhead would be like
[21:43] <fominodats> Chillum: well the end goal is to replace one of the pi's with a peripheral, but I wanted to simulate responses before using the actual hardware
[21:43] <Chillum> ah
[21:43] <TrekBike> Like I said, my internet pipe is 50Mbps, so with 100Mbps ethernet I should be fine.
[21:43] <Chillum> sounds like a job for an MCU
[21:43] <daveake> Just get the h/w
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[21:43] <TrekBike> 3 100Mbps ethernet interfaces should fit within 480Mbps.
[21:44] <Bilby> assuming the CPU can handle the routing
[21:44] <TrekBike> it handles being a VPN server without a problem.
[21:44] <fominodats> Chillum: Is there no way to do it without a MCU?
[21:44] <Chillum> I am sure there are ways, that is just the way I would find simplest
[21:44] <Chillum> I guess snort is not heavy on the disk, good because your storage is sharing the same usb bus
[21:44] <TrekBike> I think the CPU is at 5% utilization.
[21:45] <TrekBike> I've had Snort running on the box for a while, but since it can only see a small subset of the data, it doesn't do much good.
[21:49] <TrekBike> The only traffic it won't be able to monitor is the traffic between the cable box and the Internet.
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[21:49] <TrekBike> Since that goes through MOCA
[21:49] <Bilby> Hmm yeah you might be okay
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[21:49] <Bilby> I haven’t really tried it to be honest
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[21:50] <TrekBike> Its just the money for the USB -> Ethernet adapters and the extra switch.
[21:50] <fominodats> What could cause the i2cdetect output to be like this? It changes every time I run the command if the transmitter is active
[21:50] <fominodats> http://pastebin.com/LXWkLyaM
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[21:51] <TrekBike> Maybe I'll get a nice tax refund this year again.
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[21:53] <tjcarter> TrekBike can perhaps afford to give a nice fat loan? :) Like major contributions here... I'm talking ball of pocket lint + gum wrapper sized...?
[21:54] <tjcarter> (Don't mind me, I'm underslept and on rather interesting medications today.)
[21:54] <tjcarter> Probably another week of this stuff, yuck.
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[21:58] <TrekBike> I hate getting tax refunds, it means I gave the government a tax free loan for a year.
[21:58] <TrekBike> err interest free loan for a year
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[22:21] <Vooch> having cash for emergencies is the same effect
[22:21] <Vooch> except you don't have to wait a year to get it
[22:22] <Bilby> a couple decades of debit cards and easy credit has destroyed many people’s ability to save
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[22:22] <Bilby> heck i’m probably better off than a lot of people and i have a few grand in CC debt… more than i want, frankly, but lots of medical costs this year :( but i have $1500 cash handy if i need it
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[22:56] <Chillum> I wish you could get the pi 2 without the headers pre-installed. I love the female header on the pi zero
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[23:04] <Bilby> Chillum It would be nice if you could get a mostly-unpopulated Pi A+ / 2 for more advanced hacking, really
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[23:09] <ThePendulum> Anyone up for a bit of a Pi powered draw? :) http://led.unknown.name/ live stream: http://tinychat.com/gar4fs
[23:10] <Bilby> that’s interesting, low res drawing board?
[23:10] <ThePendulum> yeah, it reflects my LED grid, see the live stream :D
[23:10] <ThePendulum> you can see yourself draw
[23:10] <Chillum> Bilby: indeed
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[23:12] <ScrumpyJack> Bilby: the diffused RGB LED i want to use is Common Anode. I understand that I need a resistor for each pin, and different resistors will give me different RGB values and by extention, colour?
[23:12] <Bilby> Chillum: that’s straight up nifty. did you write all the code for it?
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[23:12] <Chillum> ScrumpyJack: you use the resistors for the recommended amperage,
[23:12] <Chillum> you choose color via PWM
[23:13] <Chillum> or something similar
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[23:14] <Chillum> ThePendulum: that is neat
[23:14] <Chillum> Bilby: not me
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[23:14] <Bilby> ScrumpyJack: if it’s common anode you wire the anode to +V and the cathodes to the GPIO. You’ll be sinking rather than supplying power
[23:14] <Bilby> dangit
[23:14] <Bilby> you know, you’d think i’d have some sort of reading comprehension by now
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[23:15] <Chillum> I played with common lead RGB lights, but I am just loving the addressable ones
[23:15] <Chillum> even if I only need a single RGB led I still user them because they only need 1 pin to control
[23:16] <ThePendulum> you do need a more advanced controller then though :p
[23:16] <Chillum> true
[23:17] <Chillum> but even an attiny85 can keep up with them(barely)
[23:17] <ThePendulum> Bilby: if you were asking me, I'm using socket.io and rpi-ws281x-native to control the grid, all I did was hook them up into a neat Paint interface
[23:17] <ThePendulum> lol, did someone write a script?
[23:18] <ThePendulum> or do they have magic hands
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[23:18] <Bilby> Ah, cool
[23:19] <Bilby> ThePendulum: yes, i was talking to you but… problems
[23:19] <ThePendulum> haha
[23:19] <ThePendulum> cool effect someone's popping out here
[23:19] <ThePendulum> the ws281x module for node does all the PWM stuff so I can focus on rendering arrays of colors
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[23:19] <ThePendulum> is this just a for loop that relies on lag for the animation? :P
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[23:21] <valize> How do i set that the pi should follow local time and not Universal time zone, or whatever it's called?
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[23:42] <[Saint]> [2016 02 09 08:11:00] <[Saint]> Hey, guys, it's security check time.
[23:42] <[Saint]> [2016 02 09 08:11:00] <[Saint]> Get your free 2GB Drive space while you can. Might as well.
[23:42] <[Saint]> [2016 02 09 08:11:00] <[Saint]> https://security.google.com/settings/security/secureaccount
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[23:52] <ali1234> [Saint]: that looks incredibly shady but it's a legit google URL... i don't know what to think
[23:52] <ali1234> is it like a unicode trick or something?
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[23:54] <shauno> it's real. give google more personal info. they don't have enough already!
[23:54] <ali1234> i didn't give them any extra info, they already have my phone number
[23:55] <shauno> (I assume it's real, it still works if you type it out, so no unicode funnies)
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[23:55] <ali1234> yeah i did that too
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