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IRC Log for 2016-02-11

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[0:06] <Tenkawa> sware: do you still need help?
[0:07] <Tenkawa> you need deb-src entries in your sources.list to go along with the deb entries if you want to get source packages
[0:08] <Tenkawa> you need to apt-get update first too
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[0:08] <Tenkawa> (after you add the entry in)
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[0:17] <LazyAngel> I'm getting a problem with a reverse tunnel on the pi since an update. Anyone else have it? ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host
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[0:23] <Bilby> woot, can haz zero
[0:25] <exonormal> still waiting for mine
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[0:28] <LazyAngel> what are you going to use it for?
[0:28] <exonormal> looks
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[0:29] <LazyAngel> looks?
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[0:30] <exonormal> yeah... I got the pi zero kit, minus the pi itself...
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[0:32] <Bilby> hah
[0:32] <Bilby> sad hah
[0:32] <LazyAngel> and you are going to use it for "looks"? (I don't understand what that means)
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[0:34] <exonormal> lol, jk, I am going to put it in a gutted Apple book G3....
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[0:36] <LazyAngel> so you won't actually use it for anything useful?
[0:36] <exonormal> I wanted the original model A pi, since it had nothing higher than the single USB port....
[0:37] <LazyAngel> i was just wondering if anyone used the pi to something useful
[0:37] <exonormal> Now that the pi zero cameo out, I plan to put that in the G3 and hopefully get it to work
[0:38] <LazyAngel> sounds like a lot of work to get the display to work and attach the keyboard?
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[0:38] <exonormal> lol, kybd is missing... I need to order the coverter for the display
[0:39] <shauno> I mostly use my zero for breadboarding. it's just tidier. although I have been meanign to play with the ethernet gadget stuff so I can boil it down to one cable
[0:39] <exonormal> once I get that to work, then I will look for the missing kybd...
[0:39] <Bilby> exonormal: an A+ might be a better fit for that if you want something small
[0:40] <Bilby> it’s almost the same size but you don’t need as many adapters to get it to work
[0:40] <exonormal> understand...
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[0:44] <LazyAngel> Bilby: what character set are you using? Not UTF-8?
[0:44] <exonormal> but I was hoping to get the original one cuz it's a classic...
[0:45] <Bilby> LazyAngel: uuh
[0:45] <Bilby> nope, says UTF-8. unf unf unf
[0:45] <LazyAngel> your ' looks strange here....
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[0:46] <Bilby> huh
[0:46] <Bilby> Apostrophe —> ‘
[0:47] <Bilby> Backtick —> `
[0:48] <LazyAngel> Backtick ▒@T> `
[0:48] <Bilby> it must be something colloquy is messing up. i’ll restart the program, brb
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[0:49] <Bilby> —> ‘ ?
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[0:49] <LazyAngel> still strange...
[0:50] <LazyAngel> oh well
[0:50] <Bilby> who knows
[0:51] <exonormal> you do
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[0:52] <Bilby> nah
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[0:55] <exonormal> well, you went to school, did ya?
[0:55] <[Saint]> Bilby: we're getting "i’ll" instead of "i'll"
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[0:56] <Bilby> huh. my guess is the text input handler in OSX is making it “pretty”
[0:56] <LazyAngel> exonormal: how old are you? not meant as an insult. I just have the impression that you are quite young, but you are hacking an old apple book g3
[0:56] <[Saint]> Yeah, I didn't imagine you were actually going out of your way to type this.
[0:57] <LazyAngel> :)
[0:57] <[Saint]> Why would age have any bearing on the hardware one decides to hack upon?
[0:58] <[Saint]> curious observation.
[0:58] <Bilby> hmm, is this better? single quote ‘
[0:58] <LazyAngel> nope
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[0:59] <[Saint]> nope
[0:59] <Bilby> Soooo apparently colloquy’s text input window drives from the system font rather than the display font, so apparently there’s no easy way to fix this because OSX
[0:59] <[Saint]> Man, if an editor /is/ doing that, that's really really disgusting.
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[1:00] <Valduare> what are we doing?
[1:00] <Valduare> your text looks fine to me
[1:01] <Bilby> I changed the encoding... Single quote ? Backtick ` double quote ?
[1:01] <LazyAngel> Valduare: what client do you have?
[1:01] <Bilby> whoa... haha
[1:01] <Valduare> colloquy
[1:01] <LazyAngel> Bilby: that's better
[1:01] <Bilby> and now to me single quote shows as a question mark xD ?
[1:01] <LazyAngel> Valduare: that's why it looks fine for you
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[1:02] <LazyAngel> Bilby: ahh yes, i missed that.
[1:02] <exonormal> LazyAngel: I am almost retired.
[1:02] <Bilby> i changed it back… still messed up? ‘
[1:02] <exonormal> I have 6 pi's, BBB, Uno's, QuickStarts, etc...
[1:02] <Bilby> ohnow i see it. freaky
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[1:03] <LazyAngel> exonormal: I was guessing on 14 from the "jk", "lol" etc.
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[1:03] <LazyAngel> exonormal: but on the other hand, that is kind of old school. I'm not sure if young people still use that
[1:03] <exonormal> well, I have attitude of a 5 yr old
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[1:04] <LazyAngel> exonormal: who said that age had something to do with attitude ;)
[1:04] <exonormal> lol
[1:04] <LazyAngel> Bilby: do you have a raspberry pi running 24/7?
[1:04] <exonormal> no one
[1:04] <Bilby> ah HAH i found you you pain in the tuchus
[1:04] <Bilby> '
[1:04] <Bilby> single quotes for daaays ' ' '
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[1:05] <exonormal> oh?
[1:05] <Bilby> LazyAngel: off and on, not right now
[1:05] <exonormal> quotes?
[1:05] <Bilby> http://colloquy.info/project/ticket/4204
[1:05] <LazyAngel> Bilby: if you get one running 24/7 you should install irssi and screen on it
[1:05] <Bilby> it's a part of OSX but you can turn it off on a per-application basis
[1:05] <Bilby> ah yeah, i've thought about it before but /lazy
[1:06] <LazyAngel> you can ssh into it and do a 'screen -d -r' to attach the irssi (irc client)
[1:06] <[Saint]> Man...I'll lol all day long if it makes someone think I'm under 30.
[1:06] <[Saint]> ...carry on.
[1:06] <LazyAngel> haha
[1:06] <Bilby> hah amen
[1:06] <LazyAngel> i prefere haha instead of lol. I guess i used it too much when i was a kid
[1:07] <exonormal> ahh, a Mac thing
[1:07] <LazyAngel> sitting with a pillow over my modem so i wouldn't wake up my mother when irc'ing the whole night
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[1:07] <Bilby> hah, that explains so many weird formatting things
[1:07] <exonormal> oh? don't overheat that modem...
[1:07] <Bilby> LazyAngel: dialing up long distance and hiding in your room when the phone bill came <_<
[1:08] <LazyAngel> luckily i didn't have to dial long distance. And after a while i could also dial a prefix so i got my own bill
[1:08] <[Saint]> LazyAngel: "lol" has taken an alternate meaning now. No one genuinely uses lol when literally laughing out loud.
[1:08] <[Saint]> LazyAngel "lol" has become synonymous with "snorting a small puff of air out of my nostrils" these days.
[1:09] <[Saint]> FOr genuine laughter, hahahaha is still the go to.
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[1:09] <LazyAngel> [Saint]: well... lol then ;)
[1:09] <exonormal> ok [Saint]
[1:09] <exonormal> I will hahahaha ffrom now on..
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[1:10] <[Saint]> I find these days lol basically means "this amused me".
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[1:10] <[Saint]> Which is a fairly low bar.
[1:10] <LazyAngel> Bilby: you should consider irssi. Looks dull in the beginning, but i really like it after used it for a while
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[1:10] <[Saint]> LazyAngel: much much much more effective when coupled with the quassel-core backend and quassel-irssi
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[1:11] <exonormal> I tried irssi for a while.. didn't like it... then I discovered Konversation....
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[1:14] <LazyAngel> exonormal: the downside with Konversation is that it is gui based, so harder to use when jumping between machines and having it running in the background when rebooting etc
[1:14] <LazyAngel> [Saint]: quassel is unknown for me
[1:15] <[Saint]> LazyAngel: so was everything else at some point.
[1:16] <[Saint]> Fortunately, we're humans.
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[1:17] <exonormal> ahhh, sorry LazyAngel.... you are way advanced than I....
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[1:18] <LazyAngel> exonormal: probably not, I just prefere beeing able to easily log in to my session from my work computer
[1:18] <LazyAngel> i haven't tried but I assume irc is not allowed out of the network
[1:18] <[Saint]> Then you absolutely want a distributed client setup like quassel.
[1:18] <exonormal> LazyAngel: I do that in gmail
[1:18] <LazyAngel> [Saint]: yes, it looks good
[1:19] <[Saint]> as many clients as you want, one central location for database driven logging.
[1:19] <LazyAngel> [Saint]: too bad there are not portable versjon which you don't need to install (?)
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[1:20] <LazyAngel> [Saint]: I would still have to open an ssh session for port forwarding. So one more window cluttering my screen :) But I might have a look at it one day
[1:20] <LazyAngel> thanks for the tips
[1:20] <[Saint]> well, even if you're ssh'ing out to another session, the quassel backend is still useful.
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[1:21] <LazyAngel> [Saint]: yes, the logging is nice to have. And probably more features in it as well
[1:21] <Valduare> hey control rgb led strips with a pi zero :P https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3y_YuqfOyIA
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[1:25] <LazyAngel> Valduare: is that you on the video?
[1:25] <LazyAngel> I liked the "go on, have some fun!" in the end. :)
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[1:27] <Valduare> :)
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[1:30] <LazyAngel> and you should do some fun with the green screen in the background. E.g space invaders flying in the background or someting like that :)
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[1:31] <LazyAngel> but coold thing to do with the pi. You can turn your living room to red light district when you get a girl back from town
[1:32] <[Saint]> Something something audio compression/range filtering.
[1:32] * [Saint] is particularly anal about this and nopes out of youtube videos where the "presenter" has a lisp or trailing vowel sounds.
[1:34] <[Saint]> good thing closed captioning/auto-translation exists.
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[1:35] * MiningInc seconds that, {Saint}.
[1:36] <MiningInc> [Saint}
[1:36] <MiningInc> [Saint]
[1:36] <MiningInc> wow..curly much
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[1:36] <[Saint]> Your client doesn't do spoken-order completion?
[1:36] <[Saint]> Many sane clients will complete [Saint] on "s+[Tab]" too
[1:37] <LazyAngel> irssi doesn't
[1:37] <LazyAngel> only on [ + tab
[1:38] <Valduare> what is a trailing vowel sound?
[1:38] <Valduare> I dont like upward inflections myself “valley girl” speach lol
[1:40] <[Saint]> A ridiculous example of trailing vowels would be how Mario is purported to sound. Typical "fake Italian" type accent.
[1:40] <[Saint]> Most obvious example I can think of.
[1:40] <sir_galahad_ad> o/
[1:40] <sir_galahad_ad> Valduare: whatevER
[1:40] <Valduare> o/ sir_galahad_ad
[1:41] <sir_galahad_ad> :D
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[1:42] <exonormal> Valduare: sweet vid... nice going.... ;-)
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[1:45] <sir_galahad_ad> vid?
[1:45] <sir_galahad_ad> Valduare: you made vids without me?
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[1:46] <Valduare> lol im sure that came out wrong? :P
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[1:46] <sir_galahad_ad> i said what i wanted if you're reading something special into it's not my fault.
[1:47] <sir_galahad_ad> unless you have an hour glass figure, a couple of X chromosomes, and are rich?
[1:48] <Valduare> rich eh.. just so you can afford to buy some more raspberry pi’s :P
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[1:49] <sir_galahad_ad> come now raspberry pis are cheap i'm dirt poor and have 2, but it would be nice to own a vehicle that isn't constantly trying to kill me
[1:49] <Valduare> lol
[1:50] <Valduare> cheap until you try to outfit the pi zero with all the adapters needed to use it haha
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[1:52] <sir_galahad_ad> bah a usb adapter and a hdmi adapter are still cheaper than a pi2 B? no?
[1:52] <exonormal> about $20 worth
[1:53] <[Saint]> I couldn't believe a quote I read from Eben the other day regarding the zero's popularity.
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[1:53] <[Saint]> Like, they weren't expecting 20K units to not be enough.
[1:53] <[Saint]> ...like, c'mon! Really?
[1:53] <Valduare> lol
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[1:53] <Valduare> did they over value onboard ethernet too much ?
[1:54] <[Saint]> And that doesn't even count giving half of them away.
[1:54] <[Saint]> They thought 10K sales units would meet demand.
[1:54] <[Saint]> ...really guys, c'mon!
[1:54] <Valduare> lol
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[1:54] <sir_galahad_ad> ah se so is still cheaper than an A
[1:54] <[Saint]> But you get to hate yourself a lot less with an A.
[1:54] <Valduare> thats only 1000 customers if we all could buy the 10 we wanted heh
[1:55] <[Saint]> Pi zero is for masochists.
[1:55] <sir_galahad_ad> [Saint]: yeah that is rediculous
[1:55] <sir_galahad_ad> i dunno i could see myself using a pi zero
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[1:56] <sir_galahad_ad> especially headless with wifi dongle direct soldered on
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[1:57] <exonormal> I got my pi zero kit from amazon... waiting for the pi zero now...
[1:58] <sir_galahad_ad> heh
[1:58] <sir_galahad_ad> i'm just waiting for the email from adafruit
[1:58] <CoJaBo> Does pi0 support the LCD/camera?
[1:58] <Valduare> no
[1:59] <CoJaBo> :/
[1:59] <sir_galahad_ad> i didn't know it didn't support the camera, not that it changes my own plans
[2:00] <CoJaBo> I was hoping for at least bare headers
[2:00] <shauno> it doesn't have the headers for it. it has the bare minimum of everything
[2:00] <Valduare> im going to get a pi2 and use it as dedicated nagios server
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[2:02] <sir_galahad_ad> i would like a pi2, but with a working B and B+ i couldn't justify it
[2:03] <Valduare> I think im going to get an arduino kit first though
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[2:03] <DWKnight> I'm probably going to order another pi2 this week
[2:03] <sir_galahad_ad> i have not yet messed with arduino
[2:03] <DWKnight> possibly 2
[2:04] <sir_galahad_ad> DWKnight: buy me one :)
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[2:05] <DWKnight> after I get the 20 or so I'll end up wanting
[2:08] <Valduare> there are arduino 3d printer kits on amazon for 30 bucks
[2:08] <Valduare> just supply steppers and your framework xyz etc
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[2:09] <[Saint]> sir_galahad_ad: from what I know you might be waiting quite some time for no obvious reason other than what seems to be an outright lie about not expecting such high demand.
[2:09] <[Saint]> s/outright lie/mistruth/
[2:09] <sir_galahad_ad> [Saint]: i know :(
[2:09] <[Saint]> RPF saying they didn;t expect a high demand for a product at this stage of the game is just hilarious.
[2:09] <[Saint]> Like...how could that even possibly be a thing?
[2:10] <sir_galahad_ad> [Saint]: i agree
[2:10] <[Saint]> "Oh, lulz, we didn;t know our products were really popular! kek!"
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[2:10] <sir_galahad_ad> kek, indeed.
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[2:30] <Valduare> so what’s everyone doing tonight
[2:30] <exonormal> chatting
[2:31] <sir_galahad_ad> trying to think of a pi-roject
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[2:31] <sir_galahad_ad> (see what i did there?)
[2:31] <exonormal> we all are squirrels, so we all chat all the time
[2:32] <Valduare> what kind of project arey ou look for
[2:32] <Valduare> hardware or software based
[2:33] <sir_galahad_ad> i know what you're asking, but at some level aren't they all software?
[2:33] <sir_galahad_ad> hardware/gpio based :P
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[7:03] <[Saint]> is mirrordirector having a hernia?
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[7:13] <[Saint]> hmmm. yep.
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[7:14] <Metalsutton> I cant for the life of me get my left and right overscan to worj
[7:15] <Metalsutton> Ive rotated the offical 7" pi display 90deg. and managed to get the top and bottom areas touching the edge, but not the left and right
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[7:16] <[Saint]> does it just not work at all, or improperly/weirdly?
[7:16] <Metalsutton> it doesnt work
[7:16] <[Saint]> odd.
[7:16] <Metalsutton> maybe its the resolution i have it set to
[7:16] <Metalsutton> 768 x 1366
[7:17] <Metalsutton> since its a rotated display, im not sure if the values are still "left/right" if you know what i mean
[7:20] <Metalsutton> it seems when i ssh into the config.txt file, its not actually applying properly or something
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[7:31] <Metalsutton> ah fixxed it.
[7:31] <Metalsutton> screen came as 800x480 native resoultion.
[7:31] <Metalsutton> I must have been using a 16:9 res, instead of a 16:10 ..... or the other way around
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[7:41] <Metalsutton> second issue: really a non-issue
[7:41] <Metalsutton> I was under the impression that the pi lacked the power to connect an arduino direction?
[7:41] <Metalsutton> directly.
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[7:42] <Metalsutton> i am getting the green power light on my arduino, which is telling me thats is fine, drawing the standard 5v
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[8:26] <RoBo_V> How can I put desktop in sleep/hibernate mode with RPi
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[8:27] <tjcarter> I've noticed that scrot doesn't sleep the display too actually
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[8:28] <tjcarter> er not scrot
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[8:28] <tjcarter> what does the screensaver in LXDE? I forget
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[9:26] <Dex-Freudii> where can I find the configuration files related to DCHP/static connection to my router?
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[9:29] <ScrumpyJack> on raspbian?
[9:29] <ScrumpyJack> take a look at contents of /etc/network/
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[9:38] <swift110-phone> Hey
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[9:50] <rmx77> ello all
[9:50] <rmx77> whats goin down
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[10:05] <swift110-phone> Im good
[10:09] <AnonRecluse13> can i use unetbootin and an sd card reader usb to write linux onto an sd card?
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[10:20] <rmx77> sorry but the pi uses a special setup to boot from unetbootin wont work with the pi since the pi has no built in bios a bios has to be included on the sd card to allow the pi to boot.
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[10:22] <SpeedEvil> you can boot, and then unplug the SD card, and ...
[10:22] <SpeedEvil> but that probably misses the point of the question
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[10:25] <lonefish> I think he wants to use unetbootin to write the linux on his SD card from his main computer
[10:25] <lonefish> Why don't you just put noobs on your sd if you have an sd card reader, AnonRecluse13 ?
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[10:30] <mgottschlag> or any other linux... if you are on a linux system, dding an image onto the SD card isn't hard
[10:32] <lonefish> well, yes, might've been a bit too specific there
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[10:37] <AnonRecluse13> i can dd it, sure. sorry
[10:37] <AnonRecluse13> i'll just buy and sd card reader usb and dd the image to it.
[10:38] <AnonRecluse13> i need to buy one
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[10:42] <SpeedEvil> AnonRecluse13: no android phone?
[10:42] <SpeedEvil> I think you need a rooted one though
[10:42] <SpeedEvil> (with sd)
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[10:44] <AnonRecluse13> i have an s6 edge
[10:44] <AnonRecluse13> no sd card slot :(
[10:44] <AnonRecluse13> one thing that FUCKING sucks about it
[10:44] <AnonRecluse13> its built into the phone
[10:45] <AnonRecluse13> if there was a slot on it, i would have tried that already.
[10:45] <lonefish> digital camera?
[10:45] <lonefish> (dunno if that would work)
[10:45] <AnonRecluse13> yeah, but it has precious family photos on the sd
[10:46] <lonefish> yes, but you can remove the sd and put yours in?
[10:46] <AnonRecluse13> i could
[10:46] <lonefish> write to that
[10:46] <AnonRecluse13> but i don't want to.
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[10:46] <lonefish> and hope it works
[10:46] <lonefish> you'd try it with your phone but not with a camera? :p
[10:46] <AnonRecluse13> i'll just dd the image it it with an sd card reader usb, they are only $30 including postage
[10:46] <AnonRecluse13> i would, if it wasn't my parents camera, haha
[10:46] <lonefish> "only"?
[10:47] <BurtyB> if you have precious photos on an SD card I'd strongly advise buing a card reader to back those up quick
[10:47] <AnonRecluse13> thank you BurtyB
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[10:47] <lonefish> he can still connect the camera to his computer and back them up?
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[10:47] <AnonRecluse13> sd card not too known for reliability?
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[10:48] <AnonRecluse13> not too well known*
[10:48] <lonefish> what is, these days? Always have backups, especially of stuff you don't want to loose
[10:48] <AnonRecluse13> of course
[10:48] <AnonRecluse13> i shall back them all up next week.
[10:48] <BurtyB> lonefish, I dunno but when they're gone they're gone :(
[10:49] <AnonRecluse13> all the precious photos to keep.
[10:49] <AnonRecluse13> from the sd
[10:49] <lonefish> Multiple copies, multiple locations
[10:49] <lonefish> As my teacher used to say
[10:49] <lonefish> because what if there's an earthquake or a flood
[10:49] <AnonRecluse13> good point actually
[10:50] <AnonRecluse13> i have been thinking about buying a nas to backup from my tower to.
[10:50] <AnonRecluse13> or a Pi2 connected to a usb hub with external hard drives in raid, probably that.
[10:50] <lonefish> Or as the dude on defcon who got his computer stolen and his backups which were lying next to it got stolen too..
[10:50] <AnonRecluse13> that sucks for that guy
[10:50] <AnonRecluse13> poor dude.
[10:50] <lonefish> well, no, it sucks for the guy who stole his computer tbh
[10:51] <lonefish> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4oB28ksiIo
[10:51] <AnonRecluse13> that too. haha, all backup copies.
[10:51] <lonefish> If you want to watch
[10:51] <lonefish> it's funny.
[10:51] <AnonRecluse13> thank you lonefish
[10:51] <AnonRecluse13> i will watch it after a smoke.
[10:51] <lonefish> pretty long tho, I can give you the tl;dw if you want :p
[10:52] <lonefish> the thief wasn't particularly bright as you'll see :p
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[11:28] <RoBo_V> How can we make desktop sleep/hibernate with RPi ?
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[11:30] <mgottschlag> does the pi support anything like that at all?
[11:31] <mgottschlag> I've never heard of anything
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[11:34] <gordonDrogon> xcreensaver
[11:34] <gordonDrogon> however there really isn't a Pi hibernate mode (unlike e.g. laptops, etc.)
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[11:48] <^74NK> hi
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[11:49] <^74NK> I just added a 5v fan to my babys GPIO pins, works great, and it works good enough for 3.3
[11:49] <^74NK> now i can OC to 2ghz
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[11:49] <^74NK> too bad i dont have the jumper cables, i have to figure out how to keep it attached
[11:50] <^74NK> any ideas?
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[11:51] * gordonDrogon is in the "you don't need a fan" camp ...
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[11:54] <RaTTuS|BIG> you dont need a fan and you wont get it to 2Ghz
[11:54] <^74NK> I dont have a raspberry pi
[11:54] <^74NK> i have something else
[11:55] <^74NK> It has CortexA9 quadcore
[11:55] <^74NK> it can be OC'd to 2
[11:55] <^74NK> just to clarify
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[11:56] <^74NK> and talking about heat, trust me i have that. i added thermopaste + heatsink
[11:56] <^74NK> now a fan
[11:56] <^74NK> then a case
[11:56] <^74NK> just need to figure out how to keep these wires attached without soldering to them
[11:56] <^74NK> :D
[11:56] <gordonDrogon> why are you telling us that in #raspberrypi then?
[11:56] <Metalsutton> ^^^
[11:57] <Habbie> i discuss non-pi stuff in here all the time but i hide it much better ;)
[11:57] <Habbie> but this makes no sense here, ^74NK
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[11:57] <^74NK> its just the only populated sbc discussing place
[11:58] <^74NK> i'm just talking about the hw
[11:58] <RaTTuS|BIG> what sbc is it
[11:58] <^74NK> like the gpios are the same as rpi
[11:58] <Habbie> that it is
[11:58] <^74NK> so my question is related
[11:58] <Habbie> but it would be useful to be clear about the differences
[11:58] <^74NK> NanoPi-2
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[11:58] <gordonDrogon> yet another Pi wannabe.
[11:58] <lonefish> gordonDrogon: isn't hibernate/sleep more of an OS-function rather than a product specific function?
[11:58] <^74NK> yea you wish
[11:59] <^74NK> the company who created it is the company that develops the best SBCs in china
[11:59] <gordonDrogon> lonefish, I don't think the Pi's SoC has support to do the right hibernate thing - although I could be wrong, but I'm not aware of anyone who's worked it out yet though.
[11:59] <^74NK> one of their sbcs is the same as rpi in london
[11:59] <^74NK> just for china
[11:59] <gordonDrogon> ^74NK, it's not about best/etc. it's about why the Pi exists - education. Everyone else is simply cashing in while the Pi Foundation ploughs money into education.
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[12:00] <^74NK> naw bro, i wanted the education + computing power
[12:00] <^74NK> for it to be usefull for me
[12:00] <lonefish> gordonDrogon: Didn't know you needed SoC support. Thought that it was basically the OS saying to the ram "Dump it all on the SD" and doing the reverse on boot.
[12:00] <^74NK> if i wanted something that hangs at a gui and is slow with graphics, i would instead buy a microcontroller
[12:00] <^74NK> plus
[12:00] <^74NK> its the same price
[12:00] <gordonDrogon> lonefish, hm. suspend vs. hibernate. .. Not sure really. might be worth seeing if it can be done...
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[12:00] <^74NK> and tbh i have learned alot
[12:01] <^74NK> about RISC processors, what is ARM, heatsinking, active cooling, gpios, all these things i have taken up, and i'm happy.
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[12:15] <plugwash> any perl programmers arround?
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[12:19] <Habbie> plugwash, best to just ask your questino!
[12:19] <Habbie> *question
[12:20] <plugwash> ok, I'm trying to modify some existing perl code, i'm also a perl newbie.
[12:21] * shiftplusone hopes the modification is a port to a language humans can understand. =P
[12:21] <Habbie> shiftplusone, you could try to be nicer
[12:21] <Habbie> shiftplusone, i'm sure you have it in you
[12:22] <shiftplusone> and I am sure 0 people were offended by that.
[12:23] <plugwash> The perl code in question unpacks deb files and performs a test on the files it finds inside. I would like to add a whitelist of filenames that do not have to pass the test. This whitelist should be loaded from a file so it can be easilly updated
[12:23] <plugwash> the question is how best to go about doing that?
[12:24] <plugwash> you can see the current code at https://github.com/plugwash/buildd-checker/blob/master/Checker.pm
[12:24] <shiftplusone> maybe ##perl would be the better choice. Don't expect there to be many perl programmers here.
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[12:25] <plugwash> maybe, was hoping as a well-known guy in the pi community people would be more helpful to me here
[12:26] <plugwash> but yeah perl doesn't seem to be a massively popular language in the pi community for some reason
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[12:27] <shiftplusone> The push for python is quite strong and to people just getting into programming perl isn't particularly appealing, I guess. I think if someone here was able to help they definitely would.
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[12:29] <gordonDrogon> I last did perl over 5 years ago..
[12:29] <RustyKnight> Having tried UbuntuMATE on my Pi last night and liked it I am not trying to replace Windoze XP with it on an Acer PC
[12:29] <gordonDrogon> I consider perl to be read-only now, and even then I'm not keen on it. done more perl than python though.
[12:30] <gordonDrogon> lonefish, there is no way for a Pi to turn itself off though - that's part of the problem..
[12:30] <plugwash> so do you have any suggestsions for my question?
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[12:30] <lonefish> gordonDrogon: no? It can shutdown, isn't that the same?
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[12:32] <gordonDrogon> lonefish, shutdown yes, then not power down. so if it went into hibernate then you'd have to manually pull the power plug on it.
[12:33] <lonefish> Is the pi still drawing current when it's 'shutdown'?
[12:33] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[12:34] <shiftplusone> shutdown on the pi is actually "restart and then sit in a loop without initialising anything"
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[12:35] <lonefish> interesting, didn't know. If you really needed a hibernate function you could live with the pull the plug part I think
[12:35] <gordonDrogon> I wonder if the standard kernel has the hibernate stuff in it ...
[12:36] <lonefish> Or make some kind of electronic circuit based on a gpio to cut the power after x seconds
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[12:36] <gordonDrogon> the circuit thing is "solved". people have done this - typically monitor the uart Tx line - when it goes low the Pi has halted.
[12:37] <gordonDrogon> (obviously assumes you're not using it)
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[12:37] <lonefish> so basically if the kernel has ability to do it, it should be doable?
[12:38] <gordonDrogon> it seems so, but I've not found anyone via google who's doing it..
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[12:39] <lonefish> and isn't the kernel the standard linux kernel? Since my ubuntu laptop has hibernate it should be on the pi too
[12:40] <plugwash> i'm not an expert on hibernate implementation in linux but I would guess it requires a fair bit of cooperation from drivers
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[12:41] <lonefish> I'm far from an expert, just brainstorming about it :)
[12:42] <shiftplusone> lonefish: there's a discussion on github about it, if you're interested.
[12:43] <lonefish> Not that interested, saw someone asking about it, just wondered if/why it's (im)possible
[12:44] * plugwash tries asking in #perl and gets back a response that looks like line noise
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[12:47] <gordonDrogon> never used the TECO editor then? :)
[12:47] <plugwash> never heard of it........
[12:49] <gordonDrogon> It has been observed that a TECO command sequence more closely resembles transmission line noise than readable text. One of the more entertaining games to play with TECO is to type your name in as a command line and try to guess what it does. Just about any possible typing error while talking with TECO will probably destroy your program, or even worse - introduce subtle and mysterious bugs in a once working subroutine.[9]
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[12:52] <plugwash> The perl code i'm trying to modify is actually quite readable........
[12:52] <gordonDrogon> most of it is. There's just too many $'s for my liking.
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[13:34] <gordonDrogon> I once programmed in a language where the keywords were underlined... but as that was hard to type, you prefixed them with a %. It made the compiler easy to write if nothing else. This was 35+ years ago though, so computers were smaller then.
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[13:36] * plugwash remembers that on the BBC micro it was possible to construct programs which ran fine but if you listed them and then typed in the listing the result would not work
[13:37] <plugwash> because basic programs in memory and on disk were stored in a pre-tokenised form
[13:38] <gordonDrogon> most 8-bit micro basics do that.
[13:38] <gordonDrogon> even my RTB does that and the list command is a de-compiler.
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[13:40] <gordonDrogon> I had to cheat there though as store numbers in string format (as well as binary) so the listing produced the same numbers that you typed in...
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[13:47] <plugwash> heh, it's not like 8-bit basic implementations always gave back exactly what you typed in
[13:48] <gordonDrogon> the space formatting was always different.
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[14:09] <swift110-phone> Sup yall
[14:11] <DWKnight> ordered my media center planned pi2
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[14:11] <DWKnight> get to see how it performs with my 1080p60 vids
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[14:15] <gordonDrogon> well... if the original Pi1 can play them, then I'm sure the Pi2 will be just fine ...
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[14:20] <DWKnight> gordonDrogon: my pi1 can't play them without desync, I'm guessing the pi2 will handle these particular files better
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[14:25] <selckin> mine plays 3k bluerays just fine
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[14:28] <lonefish> depends on how it was compressed I noticed
[14:28] <lonefish> higher bitrates can even play better
[14:29] <lonefish> Has something to do with iFrames or something, I had 2 videos, one was 3kbps and the other was 20+kbps.. Guess which one played better..
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[14:38] <Bilby> 'morning
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[14:46] <Bilby> Yay my RFID tags / readers arrived. So tiny!
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[15:21] <gordonDrogon> someone ought to make some called trifids.
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[15:21] <Bilby> hah
[15:22] <Bilby> album of my shiny siny http://imgur.com/a/6FZvD
[15:22] <Bilby> *shiny shiny
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[15:24] <gordonDrogon> Heh.. the reader is bigger than the zero...
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[15:26] <Bilby> It's not even that the reader is large, it's that the Zero is so amazingly small
[15:26] <gordonDrogon> well, yes.
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[15:26] <gordonDrogon> I always wondered about putting an rfid style lock on the house...
[15:26] <lonefish> the pi is indeed freakishly small
[15:26] <lonefish> zero*
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[15:27] <Bilby> originally i wasn't even planning to use a zero on this, but i happened to pick another one up on the same day the reader came in the mail
[15:28] <gordonDrogon> I don't know how copyable the tags are these days though - not something I've looked at for a while, but the idea of keeping the door permanently locked automatically appeals to me.
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[15:30] <Bilby> They're much more difficult to copy than a standard door key, that's for certain
[15:30] <MiningInc> gordonDrogon +1
[15:30] <MiningInc> That is a good idea.
[15:31] <Bilby> I just came across an exact application of this card and a pi - http://www.instructables.com/id/Attendance-system-using-Raspberry-Pi-and-NFC-Tag-r
[15:31] <Bilby> it's attendance rather than door control but similarly easy to apply
[15:31] <MiningInc> Are there not already RFID enabled locks/locking systems of consumer grade?
[15:31] <Bilby> I know there are but DIY is fun haha
[15:32] <gordonDrogon> indeed.
[15:32] <Bilby> though a built system has the advantage of normally fitting inside the existing door lock pocket
[15:32] <gordonDrogon> and I sort of like the idea of walking up to the door, waving my hand and it unlocks...
[15:32] <gordonDrogon> hm. I'll be embedding an rfid token under my skin next...
[15:33] <Bilby> I wish $day_job used any sort of door access control
[15:33] <gordonDrogon> do you? last place I worked it was a pita.
[15:33] <Bilby> if they used RFID it would be quite nice to implement this reader with some of their loaner tech to make a check out system
[15:33] <gordonDrogon> and badly setup - you could get locked in-between 2 doors if you weren't careful )-:
[15:33] <Bilby> gordonDrogon: during the day the main door is unlocked, and that's the only door between the outside and my servers
[15:33] <Bilby> oh wow, that's crazy
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[15:36] <Bilby> If they had RFID door control i could use their door keys to authenticate them, and stickers like these on the tech - http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-20-pcs-125khz-RFID-Stickers-EM4100-ID-Round-Coin-3M-Label-Adhesive-Tags-for/2024086388.html
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[15:38] <gordonDrogon> I guess you just have to scan those stickers once to get their ID code out of them...
[15:38] <Bilby> Yep, same with the tags that came with the readers i bought - they don't have any markings on them
[15:39] <Bilby> which isn't particularly a big deal since i have to have some way of entering new ones in the system anyway
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[15:39] <gordonDrogon> wonder if I can read the nfc thingy my phone has.
[15:39] <^74NK> in my city we have rfid tags for public transport, in plastic credit cards
[15:40] <^74NK> i'd love to emulate having a all rides paid pass :D
[15:40] <DWKnight> we have NFC tags built into our bank cards
[15:40] <Bilby> I'm not really sure how NFC works on the phone compared to RFID
[15:40] <Bilby> I think NFC is 2-way while RFID is 1-way
[15:41] * gordonDrogon nods
[15:42] <Bilby> people talk about contact-less tokens embedded in hands as being OMGZ dystopian future but I'm sitting thinking man, it would be handy not to need my wallet to buy things
[15:42] <[Saint]> Not necessarily though, each can work in several modes to my understanding. NRC R/W, NFC R, NFC W, NFC emulation, and NFC P2P.
[15:42] <Bilby> token in hand is car key, house key, credit card, and computer login
[15:42] <[Saint]> *NFC R/W
[15:42] <Bilby> ah
[15:42] <gordonDrogon> so thieves will just shop your hand off...
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[15:43] <Bilby> i knew NFC had significantly more complex feature sets than what is used currently
[15:43] <Bilby> gordonDrogon: I know you're joking but arguably the threshhold for de-limbing is significantly higher than for stealing a wallet xD
[15:44] <gordonDrogon> I want to be able to use my google phone to pay. Grr for all those apple pay thingys.
[15:44] <DarkTrancer> the average NFC is about a meter, no need for anything drastic
[15:44] <Bilby> gordonDrogon: I've only seen one or two places that even support tap-pay on cards, let alone phones
[15:45] <[Saint]> Samsung Pay is where it's at - Apple/Google just can't/won't admit it is vastly superior technology because it's wrapped up tightly in a nice little patent nest and they can't use it.
[15:45] <Bilby> it does rather astound me that no one has cornered the market by the simple expedient of offering it free or nearly so. whoever gets dominent wins, period
[15:45] <[Saint]> It's clearly the better technology.
[15:45] <Bilby> bleeping patents
[15:45] <[Saint]> It 'Just Works" with any pay point, touchless.
[15:45] <gordonDrogon> everywhere here accepts "contactless" payments now.
[15:46] <Bilby> [Saint], how is it different? it's all NFC
[15:46] <[Saint]> Bilby: No.
[15:46] <[Saint]> It isn't.
[15:46] <Bilby> everyone around here has the terminal but it's almost never turned on
[15:46] <[Saint]> Samsung Pay beams out a signal that resembles swiping of a magstripe card.
[15:46] <[Saint]> Entirely different.
[15:46] <Bilby> O_o
[15:47] * plugwash thought they were trying to get away from magstripe cards because they are fundamentally insecure
[15:47] <[Saint]> It works on any pay point that accepts a magstripe.
[15:47] <gordonDrogon> I do not know the last time I swped magstripe card. (or had one swiped by a shop)
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[15:47] <[Saint]> For now it's the more widely deployed technology.
[15:47] <gordonDrogon> not sure it is in the UK. we've had chip & pin for decades now.
[15:47] <mgottschlag> not really widely deployed in germany anymore
[15:48] <mgottschlag> well, all credit card terminals support it, but nobody accepts credit cards here
[15:48] <Bilby> gordonDrogon: yes, UK and europe has moved to chip & pin which is much better than what we're barely moving to now in the US
[15:48] <mgottschlag> well, almost nobody
[15:48] <plugwash> [Saint], afaict america is behind the rest of the world in this. Here in the UK magstripe transactions are regarded with extreme suspiscion
[15:48] <gordonDrogon> I did have a shop do an old-fashioned paper imprint thing a few months ago - their phone line was down...
[15:48] <[Saint]> Here's it's common to force both swiping *and* the chip reader, for some reason.
[15:48] <plugwash> I find it highly unlikely that merchants who find regular magstripes suspiscious would let you use your phone in a magstripe-emulating mode
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[15:49] <plugwash> [Saint], where is "here"?
[15:49] <[Saint]> NZ.
[15:49] <gordonDrogon> if you have to swipe & chip&pin here - your card is being skimmed ...
[15:50] <ozzzy> plugwash, the only way you'll get a magstrip transaction here is if you're an american with no chip and pin card
[15:50] <Bilby> little more info here: http://www.techinsider.io/how-magnetic-secure-transmission-works-on-samsung-pay-2015-9 it's interesting tech
[15:50] <plugwash> In the UK when they first brought in chip and pin many shops used terminals where you swiped the card down into a chip reader. So they got both the magstripe and the chip (if present)
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[15:50] <Bilby> I wonder how it works if you're using it with a chip card at a chip vendor
[15:50] <ozzzy> if the mag swipe says that there's a chip it'll refuse the transaction until you insert it to have the chip read
[15:50] <gordonDrogon> well my local chip shop accepts contactless :)
[15:50] <Bilby> not potatos :P
[15:51] <ozzzy> hehe... dickhead rear-ends a cop car while texting
[15:51] <ozzzy> BUSTED
[15:51] <plugwash> mind you I was suprised in the UK recently when I went to a computer parts vendor, handed over my card (there was no visible reader) and got back a receipt saying it was swiped. They did get my signature but only when I picked the goods up not when I paid........
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[15:53] * plugwash really doesn't see the attraction of cellphone payments.
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[15:59] <DWKnight> NFC cellphone payment systems are meh
[16:02] <Bilby> I think it was really stupid that we (in the US) went to Chip and signature rather than Chip and pin
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[16:02] <Bilby> and even better, the rules change that passed that was supposed to force most merchants to the chip system... hasn't
[16:02] <Bilby> and on top of it all the chip system is crazy slow (possibly why more merchants haven't switched)
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[16:03] <mgottschlag> Bilby: actually, from what I've read chip+pin has not shown to be much more secure than chip+signature
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[16:05] <Bilby> In terms of stolen card fraud or in terms of breaking encryption?
[16:05] <TrekBike> How does chip work with online merchants?
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[16:07] <Bilby> TrekBike: They're still standard Visa / MC / Discover / Amex cards with a full card number / expiration / cvv2
[16:08] <Bilby> though some companies are moving to (stupidly proprietary) online purchase systems that generate one-time or alternate card numbers for online purchases
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[16:08] <TrekBike> I like using alternate card numbers from Visa when I shop online.
[16:08] <DWKnight> per-merchant card numbers for online shopping would be nice
[16:09] <TrekBike> I wish they would issue multiple account numbers for recurring billing charges like my cable, cell phone, utilities, etc
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[16:09] <TrekBike> That way if one account got compromised I wouldn't have to update every recurring billing account.
[16:10] <ozzzy> you have the same account for cable, cell, utilities?
[16:11] <TrekBike> Same credit card account
[16:11] <ozzzy> ahhh... I've never heard of paying bills with credit cards
[16:11] <TrekBike> There is like 6 things that are automatic recurring billing. They are all onthe same card, so if that card gets compromised I have to update all of the recurring billing accounts with new informationl
[16:11] <DWKnight> you've never had rewards options on your credit cards then
[16:12] <plugwash> TrekBike, hmm, it used to be that way but that doesn't seem to be the case anymore
[16:12] <TrekBike> I get like $500-600 per year back in rewards
[16:12] <ozzzy> I only use a CC to buy gas when I'm in the US or the odd on-line purchase where PP won't work
[16:13] <Bilby> $dayjob uses one card number for most of the company - no departmental or per-person cards even though they could easily do it
[16:13] <Bilby> when that card inevitably gets comprimised there is an insane number of things that have to get change
[16:13] <plugwash> I belive there is no a way to carry over reccuring transactions when replacing a compromised card
[16:13] <TrekBike> I use CC's for everything but treat them like cash. I don't ever carry a balance (except for Best Buy which has 0% financing for 12-18 months)
[16:13] <ozzzy> see I use a debit card for everything from coffee to major appliances
[16:14] <ozzzy> never carry cash (again unless in the US)
[16:14] <TrekBike> I don't even know what my debit card pin is.
[16:14] <Bilby> plugwash: it depends on the merchant and the reason for the card replacement
[16:15] <Bilby> if it's closed as lost or expiring, some merchants with recurring billing get the updated card number through the payment processor
[16:15] <Bilby> if it's closed as stolen or with fraud normally no one gets it
[16:16] <TrekBike> A few weeks ago there was a guy in the local grocery store parking lot who while getting into his car was attacked and the attacker forced the guy to go to the ATM to withdraw money. If someone did that to me I wouldn't be able to withdraw any cause I don't know my pin.
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[16:19] <selckin> then you'll end up in the hospital
[16:19] <[Saint]> In this hilarious world we live in where people are afraid of learning the very basics of self defense, yes, likely so.
[16:20] <[Saint]> Humans forget that they are animals far too willingly.
[16:20] <[Saint]> We have teeth, we have claws, we formed fists as a clear evolutionary advantage.
[16:20] <[Saint]> ...we're supposed to be able to do this.
[16:20] * TrekBike has a concealed weapons permit
[16:21] <selckin> we evolved to a brain so we wouldn't have to risk our lives
[16:21] <[Saint]> ha! ....yeah, right.
[16:21] <ozzzy> TrekBike, then you'll be in hospital and you'll have lost your gun
[16:21] <ozzzy> if not dead
[16:21] <[Saint]> or be tried for unjustifiable homicide. ;)
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[16:22] <ozzzy> yeah... here you'd be jailed
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[16:22] <TrekBike> If someone puts a knife in your face and forces you to walk to an ATM hes committing a forceable felony of assault with a deadle weapon and kidnapping. Fully justified in shooting that person.
[16:22] <[Saint]> people forget self defense is supposed to be proportionate to the threat.
[16:23] <ozzzy> TrekBike, not here... there's no legal excuse for you to be carrying a gun in public =)
[16:23] <lonefish> TrekBike: yes, but in Belgium you'd probably go to jail
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[16:23] <[Saint]> In most of the world.
[16:23] <TrekBike> Most of the rest of the world, that would be the case.
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[16:25] <mgottschlag> Bilby: I think it was about occurrences of fraud. It's about as simple to steal a pin as it is to fake a signature
[16:25] <[Saint]> errr...
[16:25] <TrekBike> Comparing signatures is pretty useless too.
[16:26] <TrekBike> When you are signing on those pin pads, who can get their signature to look the same? Also, the resolution of the digitizer is so low, that the signatures are very blocky.
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[16:28] <[Saint]> lonefish: In defense, though, you guys put mayonnaise on fries, which should also be a jailable offense.
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[16:28] <TrekBike> [Saint]: LOL
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[16:30] <lonefish> [Saint]: It tastes delicious tho.
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[16:31] <Anitox> ketchup is for when you only want your food to taste like ketchup
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[16:33] <[Saint]> Mayonnaise is for when you want food that accurately emulates jizz.
[16:34] <TrekBike> [Saint]: LMAO
[16:35] <Anitox> ranch is like that, except it looks moldy as well
[16:37] <lonefish> how long would a dd to an SD card take approx? 8Gb, class 10 card
[16:37] <[Saint]> depends on many factors.
[16:38] <selckin> usb2 is maxed at 20mb/s expensive sd cards at 10mb/s, cheap sd cards can be 2mb/s
[16:38] <selckin> really cheap cards can be even worse
[16:38] <[Saint]> watch -n5 'sudo kill -USR1 $(pgrep ^dd)'
[16:39] <[Saint]> (trivially monitor dd from another term)
[16:39] <selckin> so the fastest possible is around 15min
[16:39] <lonefish> Apparently it's just done.
[16:39] <lonefish> 4.3mb/s
[16:40] <lonefish> I was a bit worried I was waiting and nothing was going to happen
[16:40] <selckin> remember to run "sync" too
[16:40] <[Saint]> next time pass it through pipeviewer.
[16:40] <lonefish> Will do, how exactly?
[16:40] <lonefish> And sync?
[16:40] <[Saint]> sudo dd if=/path | pv | of=/path
[16:40] <lonefish> Thanks
[16:40] <Habbie> also next time add a bs=
[16:40] <Habbie> like 1m
[16:41] <lonefish> What's the explanation of the -n5 sudo kill... command btw, [Saint]
[16:41] <selckin> sends USR1 signal to dd which will cause it to output progress
[16:41] <[Saint]> periodically monitor dd (every 5s) from an outside thread.
[16:41] <selckin> the rest is jsut to find the process id
[16:42] <[Saint]> pv prints a nice "N MB 0:00:00 [ <=> ]" output.
[16:42] <[Saint]> infinitely better imo.
[16:43] <lonefish> what's the "kill" doing in the watchcommand then?
[16:43] <lonefish> It is indeed, will try immediately :)
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[16:44] <[Saint]> kill is just used here to send the USR1 signal.
[16:44] <[Saint]> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kill_(command)
[16:45] <[Saint]> themoreyouknow.gif
[16:46] <lonefish> I know it's used to terminate processes, which is why I couldn't wrap my head around it that it's just used for monitoring
[16:46] <lonefish> #learnsomethingeveryday
[16:46] <[Saint]> one of my favorites is piping pv output again through dialog --gauge
[16:47] <lonefish> pv doesn't seem to work tho
[16:47] <[Saint]> do you have it installed?
[16:47] <lonefish> I just get MB 0:00:00 [ <=> ]" and then it terminates
[16:47] <lonefish> yeah, installed it
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[16:47] <[Saint]> Odd.
[16:49] <lonefish> dd if=/path of=/path | pv does give me the output, keeps running, but with 0B/s
[16:49] <lonefish> only the timer is ticking
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[16:49] <selckin> dd if= | pv | dd of=
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[16:49] <[Saint]> dd if=/dev/urandom | pv | dd of=/dev/null
[16:49] <[Saint]> 30.5MB 0:00:04 [7.81MB/s] [ <=> ]
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[16:49] <[Saint]> also - yes, syntax is important.
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[16:50] <lonefish> ooooh, you missed the second dd
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[16:50] <lonefish> [16:40] <[Saint]> sudo dd if=/path | pv | of=/path
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[17:31] <BurtyB> *doh* had the bilge tank stream ready in a window but forgot to flip to it and they played my video
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[17:52] <gordonDrogon> oh, was it blige tank day today? bother.
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[17:54] <BurtyB> gordonDrogon, yeah (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRtRMRiFGvI)
[17:54] <shiftplusone> gbaman: any luck making sense of pi-gen?
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[17:55] * [Saint] just sprayed coffee aaaaaaaaallll over his monitor.
[17:55] <[Saint]> Hipster Guy Fawkes is hilarious.
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[17:56] <gbaman> shiftplusone: Haha, it is certainly different from Spindle...
[17:58] <[Saint]> The only consolation the Universe has for anyone is that someone, somewhere, is laughing at my "Amish/Jewish Abraham Lincoln" beard too.
[17:59] <[Saint]> I suddenly got an image in my head of Guy Fawkes or Dick Dastardly from Stop That Pigeon and it was game over.
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[18:08] <[Saint]> http://imgur.com/rAM2d0k
[18:08] <[Saint]> I am not proud of this.
[18:09] <[Saint]> surprisingly entertaining cast, though.
[18:09] <plugwash> shiftplusone, is pi-gen your image builder?
[18:10] <shiftplusone> plugwash: yeah
[18:11] <[Saint]> No, Google...I did /not/ mean pigeon.
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[18:11] <[Saint]> But thanks for the many pigeon pics.
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[18:12] <[Saint]> Hmmm...accupuncture points, something about racing pigeons, and some form of courier tracking service.
[18:12] <shiftplusone> No released yet, just sent it to gbaman because he kept pestering me for it >.>
[18:12] <[Saint]> pi-gen doesn't lend itself to ease of gooling.
[18:12] <[Saint]> aha.
[18:12] <shiftplusone> *Not
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[18:12] <giddles> i bricked my pi :/
[18:13] <giddles> turbo mode, he dont boot
[18:13] <[Saint]> How am I supposed to build a rpi image for my racing pigeons then?
[18:13] <giddles> is there a recovery option? ;) @ stop boot progress
[18:13] <[Saint]> giddles: it's not bricked ... well, probably.
[18:13] <Bilby> giddles: plug in a keyboard and hold left control as it boots (iirc)
[18:13] <giddles> left control
[18:13] <giddles> thx
[18:13] <giddles> ;)
[18:14] <[Saint]> that's pretty weird, turbo mode from rpi-config is actually pretty conservative really.
[18:14] <[Saint]> compared to what they /can/ do.
[18:15] <giddles> dont work :)
[18:15] <giddles> fatal kernel panic
[18:15] <[Saint]> There's no way they would let you select it if they didn;t have good confidence in it working for the majority.
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[18:15] <Bilby> personal experience only but i've never had it give me a trouble
[18:15] <[Saint]> is it possible your PSU isn't up to the task?
[18:15] <giddles> well also my first trouble time
[18:16] <giddles> left strg dont work
[18:16] <giddles> looks like he even dont notice the keyboard
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[18:16] <[Saint]> edit config.txt from another host.
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[18:16] <giddles> i cant get him booted
[18:16] <[Saint]> it's just a plain text file on a FAT partition.
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[18:16] <[Saint]> mount on something else, which you apparently have, to talk to us with.
[18:17] <giddles> hmm
[18:17] <giddles> k, thx
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[18:18] <[Saint]> FWIW I run at 1150MHz with 8 overvoltage just fine.
[18:19] <[Saint]> something something, not all silicon is created equal, something.
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[18:22] <duckpuppy> So, I've gone through 3 power supplies and 2 microSD cards so far on a Pi2. It worked flawlessly with moderate usage for 9 months, and now I can barely go a month with minimal usage before I get unrecoverable SD card corruption. No OC, nothing plugged in but ethernet. No USB devices, no HDMI. I thought I had a handle on it because it's lasted a month this time, but now it will boot (boot part is
[18:22] <duckpuppy> fine), but logging in via SSH is guaranteed to lock up during IO.
[18:22] <duckpuppy> Anybody have any other ideas other than a bad Pi2?
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[18:23] <selckin> run memtest ?
[18:23] <duckpuppy> Not yet. Good idea.
[18:23] <gordonDrogon> overclocking?
[18:23] <duckpuppy> No OC.
[18:23] <giddles> puh
[18:23] <giddles> works
[18:23] <PhotoJim> you've tried different brands of cards?
[18:23] <PhotoJim> might just be a bad Pi
[18:23] <giddles> attempt 13 he let me in gui
[18:23] <jchampion> duckpuppy: can you elaborate on the "3 power supplies" part? Power problems lead to other problems in my experience
[18:23] <duckpuppy> Raspbian Jessie default clocking.
[18:24] <gordonDrogon> there is a userland memtest program, but not sure if there is a bootable one for the pi - like memtest86
[18:24] <jchampion> or do you just mean that you've tried three separate ones? not that they've all failed on you.
[18:24] <duckpuppy> jchampion: Tried 3 separate ones.
[18:24] <jchampion> gotcha
[18:24] <duckpuppy> Different brands of sd.
[18:24] <duckpuppy> First one was the one that came with the kit, second was a Toshiba.
[18:25] <duckpuppy> The Toshiba one was not new, but I did a full zero wipe with the SD card formatter before writing the image. It had been in a phone.
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[18:25] <raldu> hi. I am trying to get composite video working with an old tv. when I plug the pi using the yellow cable, pi recognizes the tv, but the display switches between the terminal output of raspberry pi and a square, rainbow-colored color pallet. any ideas, or additional resources?
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[18:26] <giddles> puh
[18:26] <giddles> ;)
[18:26] <giddles> turbo mode dont like my sd card
[18:27] <duckpuppy> I'm starting to think it's a bad Pi. Just wish I could more easily determine that. I've spent about 2 Pi's worth investigating so far, though.
[18:27] <selckin> could also be overheating
[18:28] <duckpuppy> ... true. It's not really doing anything intensive, though.... headless SSH and OpenVPN server with a single user of each (me).
[18:28] <giddles> well i have passive coolants
[18:28] <giddles> its the sd card ;)
[18:28] <PhotoJim> duckpuppy: is it in a case? try running it bare and see if that helps.
[18:29] <duckpuppy> It is in a case, but it's a pretty wide open case with passive heat sinks.
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[18:29] <[Saint]> No case is _ever_ going to let it get to a temperature that matters.
[18:29] <[Saint]> Unless you live in the Sahara.
[18:29] <PhotoJim> not likely a cooling issue, but might still be worth a try
[18:29] <[Saint]> see above.
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[18:30] <PhotoJim> [Saint]: desperate times need desperate measures :)
[18:30] <duckpuppy> Yeah, it's in my basement, which is currently <60 F.
[18:30] <[Saint]> It won;t even slightly give the tiniest care until past 80C
[18:30] <duckpuppy> ambient.
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[18:30] <PhotoJim> so <16 C. that's cool. should be fine.
[18:30] <PhotoJim> the 3 different PSUs you tried were all different brands? they're of sufficient amperage?
[18:30] <PhotoJim> sometimes one just gets a bad batch of something.
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[18:31] <duckpuppy> Yes, and yes. The one that seemed to actually give the best behavior was a Verizon fast charger with a super-thick USB cable.
[18:31] <PhotoJim> >1 amp?
[18:31] <duckpuppy> Yes.
[18:31] <[Saint]> Much.
[18:31] <PhotoJim> all points to a bad Pi.
[18:31] <duckpuppy> 2amp
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[18:32] <[Saint]> Wait...what?
[18:32] <[Saint]> It claims to support fast charge, and, it 2A?
[18:32] <[Saint]> *its
[18:33] <[Saint]> ...odd.
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[18:35] <[Saint]> Maybe I'm thinking of a different and similarly named specification - fast charging paths are confusing.
[18:35] <duckpuppy> Sorry... wrong terminology. Not fast-charge as in Qualcomm 2.0, just 2 amp "not slow <1 amp like it's plugged into a computer" charger.
[18:35] <[Saint]> IIUC the heavily deployed one these days is 5/9/12V @3A
[18:35] <[Saint]> aha. right.
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[18:36] <[Saint]> Thankfully that's no longer true, with the advent of USB3, you can do up to 20V at 5A.
[18:36] <[Saint]> But, yeah, seems I was confusing fast track charging specs.
[18:37] <duckpuppy> Yeah, it's personal terminology that's become comfusing between my friends and I recently. We all have QC2.0 phones, but we always called 2A chargers fast in the past.
[18:37] <[Saint]> (which is truly a rabbit hole)
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[18:39] <duckpuppy> I have a spare Pi2 I can try, but it's slated to be a streaming audio node (ala Squeezelite). Maybe I can use the "bad" one for that... the setup I'm using for that is pretty much RO once it's booted. I might at least get a bit more use out of that one.
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[19:45] <gordonDrogon> switch the 2 Pi's over - see if the issue follows the Pi ?
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[19:58] <Bilby> *yawn
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[20:12] <Bilby> Wings and salad for lunch, I'm ready for a nap
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[20:44] <S_J> Anyone have the rasp 0? seems you cant use the camera with it? that is really to bad since a fun use is computer vision for robotics
[20:44] <gordonDrogon> that's right.
[20:44] <gordonDrogon> no connector.
[20:45] <swift110-phone> Hmm
[20:45] <swift110-phone> Just get raspberry pi 2 then
[20:45] <gordonDrogon> or A+
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[20:50] <Bilby> Just bought my second actually :)
[20:50] <Bilby> yes, no ribbon header so you can only use USB cameras
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[20:51] <Bilby> I have an application i was thinking of usin the zero for but i need the touchscreen connector so i'm using an A+ instead
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[21:05] <Hitechcg> Why A+?
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[21:06] <traeak> power?
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[21:08] <Bilby> Hitechcg: It has a smaller footprint than the B+ and smaller power consumption as well
[21:09] <Hitechcg> oh yeah, I forgot there was no Pi 2 model A
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[21:12] <S_J> Can you control DC motors with the raspberry?
[21:13] <S_J> Is the PWM good enough or do you need a hard realtime MCU, i mean without an OS like Linux?
[21:14] <Bilby> You can but it's easier to do with an external controller
[21:15] <Bilby> https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-raspberry-pi-lesson-9-controlling-a-dc-motor/overview
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[21:20] <Bilby> i2c motor drivers are probably the most popular i've seen since you can easily drive several motors that way. http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/Grove-I2C-Motor-Driver-p-907.html
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[21:41] <sir_galahad_ad> o/
[21:42] <Bilby> \o
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[21:42] <Fox682> o/
[21:43] <sir_galahad_ad> how goes it?
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[21:44] <Bilby> not bad, not bad
[21:44] <Bilby> did you see the new shiny i got this morning?
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[21:45] <sir_galahad_ad> nope i've been working all day (at a crap dead end job /grumbles)
[21:45] <Bilby> blarg, i know those feels
[21:45] <Bilby> http://imgur.com/a/6FZvD
[21:47] <sir_galahad_ad> cool Bilby what are you gonna do with the rf stuff?
[21:47] <Bilby> Not sure yet haha
[21:48] <Bilby> I had an idea a long time ago to make a system that automatically detected when kegs were swapped on a bar tap, to update a tap listing on a web page
[21:48] <sir_galahad_ad> i've seen a couple ads for pens you can use to draw circuits on paper, but couldn't you do that with you know...a pencil?
[21:48] <Bilby> One way to implement that that would be easiest (from the perspective of busy bartenders) is a near field sensor by every tap and a token on every handle
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[21:49] <sir_galahad_ad> sounds cool bilby
[21:50] <sir_galahad_ad> i'm lacking an idea for a project at the moment
[21:50] <Bilby> It was definitely an impulse buy, I got 4 dev kits for $11 USD
[21:50] <sir_galahad_ad> good deal :)
[21:51] <TheLostAdmin> have you considered making a tablet out of a Pi2, sir_galahad_ad? Preferably one that integrates the camera and a bunch of sensors along with the newish 7 inch screen.
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[21:52] <sir_galahad_ad> TheLostAdmin: i have a Pi B mounted in a plastic storage box with an oldish 7" screen and a cheap and small wireless USB keyboard with built in mouse does that count?
[21:53] <TheLostAdmin> sir_galahad_ad, if you add a battery, I suppose it might.
[21:53] <sir_galahad_ad> but really i would like a project with the GPIO stuff i've just started learning electronics and would like to do more with that
[21:54] <sir_galahad_ad> TheLostAdmin: maybe i could chain a couple of "emergency phone charger" batteries in parallel?
[21:55] <TheLostAdmin> some of the higher end "emergency phone chargers" probably get you half a day or more on a Pi.
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[21:55] <Bilby> GreatScott! did a project with tearing down an old laptop battery and refurbishing to make a very large USB power source
[21:55] <Bilby> i bet that would work great on a pi
[21:56] <TheLostAdmin> I believe you.
[21:57] <DWKnight> TheLostAdmin: like the anker 22000mAh ones?
[21:57] <TheLostAdmin> Ya, those, DWKnight.
[21:57] <sir_galahad_ad> TheLostAdmin: i've heard you can really slim down the amp hours needed to run on a pi zero, i'm not sure why that would be much diffrent from a normal pi, but either way the screen in my case seems to be the power hog
[21:58] <emitattuo> sir_galahad_ad, do you need to power the screen?
[21:58] <TheLostAdmin> given the Pi Zero has less ram, only 1 usb port, no ethernet, and a few other things missing. I suspect that the reduced part count (along with whatever the engineers learned from making the Pi2) helped reduce the power needs of the device.
[21:59] <emitattuo> sir_galahad_ad, in other words, can you run it headless, or swap the screen with a technology with better power consumption, like e-ink?
[21:59] <sir_galahad_ad> emitattuo: it would be necessary for the scenario TheLostAdmin was describing, for what i've been doing i have a 2 outlet USB charger that i use for that
[22:00] <sir_galahad_ad> emitattuo: we were discussing the possibility of a homebrew pi based tablet, screen is kinda key for those :)
[22:00] <TheLostAdmin> I keep toying with making a Star Trek the original series tricorder style device using a Pi, the official screen, and that space sensor board. I haven't figured out how to get the screen sorted but space shouldn't be a problem.
[22:01] <Bilby> Iirc the Pi touchscreen is pretty power efficient, but most small touchscreens now should be fairly inexpensive
[22:01] <Bilby> *efficient, not inexpensive
[22:02] <TheLostAdmin> something like this could work as a tablet if it fit the sensors and battery: http://blog.mcmelectronics.com/image.axd?picture=%2f2015%2f09%2fPiPads2.jpg
[22:02] <emitattuo> sir_galahad_ad, Ah, yes. Sorry to jump in. I suppose E-ink may still work if you don't require a high refresh rate (depending on the application of your tablet).
[22:03] <sir_galahad_ad> i forget exactly what my screen needs for power, but i know it's more than a pi B i think somewhere in the area of 1.5A
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[22:04] <sir_galahad_ad> i have a small solar panel designed to be a trickle charger for automotive batteries that will put out enough juice to run the pi (in direct sunlight), but not enough for the screen
[22:06] <Bilby> Darn, now i'm regretting leaving my B at home; I have everythign to start playing with RFID but it :( and not enough parts to make the zero go
[22:07] <sir_galahad_ad> Bilby: what are you missing?
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[22:08] <Bilby> microSD card, mini hdmi to hdmi and micro usb to usb... everything haha
[22:08] <Bilby> at least for testing
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[22:09] <sir_galahad_ad> Bilby: cut the usb end off of your phone charger and apply directly to io pins use resistors and jumper wires and REALLY REALLY FAST hands to apply the correct charge through the SD contacts to make it boot
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[22:10] <sir_galahad_ad> problems solved :)
[22:11] <Bilby> lol
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[22:12] <Bilby> As I say anytime people get into a 'who programs the hardest language' competition - "A needle and a steady hand is all you REALLY need to get the job done"
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[22:14] <sir_galahad_ad> Bilby: you're quoting xkcd (and you forgot a *magnetized* needle), so i have to go with the only one-up left from that comic: A real programmer sets the universal constants in a such a way that the universe evolves to contain a disk with the data they need :)
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[22:14] <Bilby> dang! I had 'magentized' in there and took it out. also, yes now that you mention it you're right xD
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[22:15] <sir_galahad_ad> :D
[22:15] <Bilby> https://xkcd.com/378/
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[22:27] <FatalNIX> so guess what we all did in class today?
[22:27] <FatalNIX> :)
[22:28] <Bilby> Set things on fire?
[22:28] <Bilby> ... physics was my favorite set of classes <_<
[22:28] <FatalNIX> We all took pictures of pi 2s with the flash on to make them crash
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[22:28] <FatalNIX> they all crashed instantly XD
[22:28] <Bilby> hah, nice!
[22:28] <Bilby> I thought they were going to fix that
[22:28] <sir_galahad_ad> wait what?
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[22:29] <FatalNIX> and then we hooked them up to our (this is EE) osciloscopes and meters and everything
[22:29] <FatalNIX> and found that the HDMI chip was still sending out a signal
[22:29] <FatalNIX> it was just that there was no display, wtf?
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[22:29] <sir_galahad_ad> we get signal! main screen turn on!
[22:29] <sir_galahad_ad> (sorry)
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[22:30] <Bilby> that makes sense, the flash scrambles the BGA that runs the uuuh... is it power?
[22:30] <FatalNIX> it was weird though how the pi was technically still going..
[22:30] <FatalNIX> at least most of it was
[22:31] <Bilby> processor core power, yeah
[22:31] <FatalNIX> yeah
[22:31] <DWKnight> it's only specific types of flashes that do it
[22:31] <FatalNIX> but the HDMI signal was there too in our osciloscopes, but for some reason it wasn't getting to the monitor, it was weird.
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[22:31] <DWKnight> but yeah it was the power regulator
[22:31] <sir_galahad_ad> what the flash acts like a mini EMP?
[22:31] <Bilby> the video processor runs independently of the SoC, so assuming the machine was bootstrapped there's no reason the video chip would turn off just because the data source to it did
[22:32] <Bilby> sir_galahad_ad: https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/xenon-death-flash-a-free-physics-lesson/
[22:32] <FatalNIX> heh
[22:33] <Bilby> tl;dr was only noticed because a photographer was taking pictures of it when it was on, it's caused by high-intensity long-wave light sources bouncing UNDER the BGA chip and spazzing out the (exposed) raw microchip
[22:33] <DWKnight> blutak is enough to block it
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[22:34] <Bilby> Anything that blocks the light, yeah
[22:35] <Bilby> it's a teeeensy tiny space which is probably why it took so long for anyone to come across it as a problem... and now that i think of it i doubt it's worht a manufacturing change to fix
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[22:36] <FatalNIX> just throw it in a case
[22:36] <FatalNIX> :D
[22:36] <FatalNIX> with shielding
[22:38] <sir_galahad_ad> seems neat
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[23:13] <luetm> Hey! I have the RBP2B and the SenseHAT. Can I now still attach other I2C devices like sensors and such?
[23:13] <luetm> Would be a shame if it'd be either/or
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[23:19] <methuzla> if you can access the pins, should be able to. i2c is a bus.
[23:19] <luetm> ok, i guess i have to look for some non ugly way to do this :). thanks!
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[23:21] <[Saint]> So...I, um...this. I did this.
[23:21] <[Saint]> http://pastebin.com/ij1JzPsj
[23:21] <[Saint]> People might like it. I guess. I have a function I built that can automagically generate the ascii header and datestamp for a given file and I wanted to make some use of it.
[23:22] <ddybing> Is it allowed to discuss Raspberry Pi builds here, or is this just support for the device itself?
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[23:22] <Bilby> It's pretty much a room for anything even vaguely related to the Pi, up to delicious Raspberry Pie recipes
[23:22] <[Saint]> Some bash aliases that are pi-specific, most general, formatted in (what /I/ think is) a neat and consumable layout that is human-readable.
[23:23] <[Saint]> http://pastebin.com/ij1JzPsj
[23:23] <Bilby> You and your large-size ascii text
[23:23] <[Saint]> Crap. Sorry. I didn't mean to link again. :-S
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[23:25] <[Saint]> Lol Bilby, what's wrong with ascii headers? ;)
[23:25] <[Saint]> http://pastebin.com/EKKmfhu7
[23:26] <[Saint]> (I used this function to make ssh headers quite a while ago)
[23:27] <[Saint]> All my systems have an /etc/issue.net similar to that effect with their hostname and the generic warning.
[23:28] <Bilby> ahaha
[23:28] <[Saint]> and ssh config descriptions for each of the systems so I can easily just do 'ssh host-name' and have all my paramter magic set.
[23:29] <Bilby> do you do the characters manually?
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[23:29] <Bilby> / how do you trigger these?
[23:30] <[Saint]> No, it's a figlet wrapper.
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[23:30] <gorroth> weird. my IRC client had this channel hilighted for me, as if i was previously messaged, but nothing shows up in logs
[23:30] <gorroth> oh well
[23:30] <[Saint]> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIGlet
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[23:31] <gorroth> irssi, don't let me down!
[23:31] <gorroth> actually, irssi is already letting me down lately :-/
[23:32] <Bilby> [Saint]: I guessed there was a program for it haha
[23:32] <[Saint]> so it's just some basic formatting with figlet and making sure the right newline magic and nicely formatted system date get printed correctly.
[23:32] <[Saint]> I'm not neurotic enough to do intricate ascii text banners by hand.
[23:33] <[Saint]> lol
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[23:33] <[Saint]> ...not quite, anyway.
[23:33] <Bilby> heh
[23:33] <Bilby> okay, it be 17:30 local time and i'm out! ttyl
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[23:46] <[Saint]> Hmmmm.
[23:46] <[Saint]> I forgot to add one of my favorites, apparently.
[23:46] <[Saint]> alias nice-date='echo -en "Printing the current date and time now... \n\n" ; echo -en "$(date +"%F %T (%A %B %d %Y %Z %z)") \n\n" ; echo -en "Done \n"'
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[23:47] <[Saint]> That's what I use to spit out my nice (I think so, anyway) date strings
[23:47] <[Saint]> 2016-02-12 11:46:57 (Friday February 12 2016 NZDT +1300)
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[23:48] <[Saint]> good luck misinterpreting date, month, or year on that baby.
[23:48] <[Saint]> I guess I should add an AM/PM modifier too in case people don't realize it is 24h time.
[23:49] <[Saint]> ...and /then/ good luck misinterpreting that!
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[23:52] <gorroth> i can't math
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