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IRC Log for 2016-02-14

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[0:00] <GreeningGalaxy> I can get my keyboard working just fine, I just have to manually connect to it every time... with a keyboard. >_<
[0:00] <Valduare> you have to trust it
[0:00] <Valduare> then it will auto reconnect
[0:00] <Valduare> mine I have to tap spacebar and then it connects
[0:00] <GreeningGalaxy> hmm
[0:01] <GreeningGalaxy> I already tried trusting it and it appeared to do absolutely nothing, but I admittedly haven't tried tapping spacebar
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[0:02] <GreeningGalaxy> nope. :V
[0:02] <GreeningGalaxy> what I keep finding is that rebooting with the keyboard still paired does not work at all - bluetoothctl says it's connected and the pairing light stops flashing, but then it simply doesn't work at all after that
[0:03] <GreeningGalaxy> I have to completely unpair it and then repair it before it works again
[0:03] <GreeningGalaxy> I'd be happy to write a script for that, but bluetoothctl seems almost like it's intentionally made that impossible.
[0:03] <Valduare> odd
[0:03] <Valduare> mine works
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[0:04] <GreeningGalaxy> mine is some piece of junk ostensibly designed for the old nexus 7, so I'm unsurprised, I'm just mad that the new version of bluez appears to have thwarted any hope I might've had for workarounds
[0:05] <Valduare> mine is a cheap 16 dollar keyboard/touchpad combo off amazon
[0:05] <GreeningGalaxy> it's frustrating when it works fine after manual configuration but not automatically.
[0:05] <Valduare> that tells me its a trust issue
[0:05] <DWKnight> GreeningGalaxy: one for the tilapia/grouper variant n7?
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[0:05] <GreeningGalaxy> grouper, yeah
[0:06] <DWKnight> cheapo thing off ebay that survives falls from 4ft in spite of frame separation
[0:06] <Valduare> woo my instructable is about to top 2000 hits
[0:06] <DWKnight> I've got a tilapia variant n7 with one of those
[0:06] <DWKnight> good times
[0:06] <GreeningGalaxy> If all else fails, I guess I can probably write a script that physically types stuff into bluetoothctl with xdotool, but that seems unnecessarily janky
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[0:09] <Valduare> so I got this radioshack psu 12v with a switch and a pair of power connectors on the face of it
[0:09] <Valduare> but it stopped working I cant find any burn marks or distended caps on the board
[0:09] <Valduare> fuses still has ohm reading...
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[0:09] <Valduare> 0 voltage to the front panel
[0:09] <Valduare> any ideas?
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[0:11] <DWKnight> get progressively closer to the AC from the output connectors until you find the fault is about all
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[0:18] <EdwardTurner> hi
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[0:30] <sir_galahad_ad> hi
[0:30] <ffledgling> So I've been looking around the interwebz for a Plex Media server package I can run on my RPi model B, with little luck, anyone seen anything of the sort in the wild?
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[0:35] <kookie> Valduare: is the transformer putting out any voltage?
[0:35] <Valduare> im not sure
[0:36] <Valduare> hard to poke around in here with probes
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[0:36] <kookie> look for where the transformer connects to board
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[0:37] <Valduare> there is one black and white wire coming off of it vissibly
[0:37] <Valduare> the other 2 must be underneath the thing eh
[0:37] <kookie> I see
[0:37] <kookie> do you see diodes?
[0:37] <Valduare> 2
[0:38] <EdwardTurner> hi guys..
[0:38] <kookie> ok, check the voltage on those
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[0:38] <EdwardTurner> does someone know how many devices a bluetooth dongle can handle?
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[0:39] <kookie> me not, but you can try as many as you like...
[0:39] <pksato> EdwardTurner: Is limited by Bt protocol.
[0:40] <pksato> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth#Communication_and_connection
[0:40] <Valduare> meter set on 20 dc and getting 0.01 blips
[0:40] <Valduare> on D1
[0:41] <Valduare> D3 swings between 12v and 14v
[0:41] <EdwardTurner> hmm.. ok. thank you!
[0:41] <Valduare> its suppose to output 13.8V it states
[0:42] <pksato> Valduare: measuring correct points?
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[0:42] <Valduare> we are trying to figure out whats wrong with this radioshack benchtop power supply
[0:43] <Valduare> no voltage to the front panel ports
[0:44] <pksato> fuse?
[0:44] <kookie> Valduare: look for some replacement diodes from your junk puter PSU's
[0:44] <Valduare> fuse has ohms
[0:44] <kookie> and replace both diodes
[0:45] <kookie> how many ohms?
[0:45] <kookie> suppose to be zero
[0:45] <pksato> fuse have a 0 Ohms.
[0:45] <Valduare> 01.5
[0:45] <pksato> or teste cable resistance.
[0:46] <kookie> is fuse removable?
[0:46] <Valduare> if something has 0 ohm its not connected ie blown fuse wouldnt it?
[0:46] <Valduare> in anycase D3 has a voltage reading at it
[0:46] <Valduare> so the fuse isnt blown
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[0:46] <pksato> switch mode psu is pain to find defective part.
[0:47] <kookie> depends
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[0:47] <pksato> check if diode still is a diode
[0:47] <kookie> diode may be on the neu side and will read
[0:47] <kookie> right
[0:47] <ruurd> pksato look at the condensators
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[0:49] <pksato> Another day I spent few hours to repair a DVR PSU.
[0:50] <Valduare> could always salvage some resisters from this thing to make a dummy load and build an atx power supply heh
[0:50] <Valduare> to get 3.3 5 and 12
[0:50] <Valduare> would be more useful
[0:51] <kookie> yes, most ppl do it that way
[0:51] <ShorTie> just duct tape an old cdrom on .. :/~
[0:51] <kookie> most cases the diodes fail...
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[0:52] <Valduare> how do I test that
[0:52] <pksato> When I was about to give up, I decide to check close a diode with some "dust" on encapsulation.
[0:52] <pksato> It was cracked.
[0:52] <kookie> see if you get reading from them
[0:52] <pksato> Electrical ok.
[0:53] <pksato> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-5L3CNBbcpi4/Vq06M_xYWvI/AAAAAAAADxI/JNUGoKeGlo4/s800-Ic42/fonte_dvr_hasf1205000-06.jpg
[0:53] <Valduare> black to stripe side right?
[0:53] <kookie> yes
[0:54] <pksato> Replaced this diode and a 10uF capacitor, and psu worked.
[0:54] <kookie> hey that's a sweet looking one... lol
[0:54] <Valduare> D1 gets 0.01
[0:54] <Valduare> D3 gets 12-14v
[0:55] <kookie> is there a D2 and D4?
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[0:56] <pksato> Valduare: without schemactic, is not possible
[0:56] <Valduare> D2 looks more like a mosfet package
[0:56] <pksato> It is not possible to determine if theses voltages are correct.
[0:57] <Valduare> http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/6264
[0:58] * H__ waves to sir_galahad_ad
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[0:59] <pksato> To rapair DVR PSU, I hand draw the schematic.
[1:02] <kookie> http://forums.qrz.com/index.php?threads/radio-shack-recalls-hazardous-13-8-vdc-power-supplies.167655/
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[1:02] <kookie> anyways, amazon has more of them
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[1:06] <Valduare> so looks like there was recal on this unit psu
[1:07] <Valduare> but mine has the fix done to it already apparently the white and black spade terminal wires were switched from factory
[1:07] <Valduare> but they are on right sides for mine
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[1:11] <kookie> must be they did it at factory before hitting market
[1:13] <kookie> oh well... if you can, read what the transformer is putting out in AC on the secondary side, the output.
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[1:23] <Valduare> i’ll see if I can get a reading on the two wires that are visible
[1:24] <Valduare> hmm cant get probes in there
[1:25] <kookie> use a couple of wires as probes
[1:26] <Valduare> the insulation is jammed flat to the pcb
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[1:27] <kookie> ok, can you read under the board?
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[1:32] <Valduare> i’ll have to disassemble further
[1:32] <Valduare> prob is its wedged in there
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[1:32] <Valduare> would have to disassemble switch, whole front panel and take the ac power cord out just to slide the board out heh
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[1:37] <Valduare> maybe i’ll just send it in under the radioshack recall on these units haha
[1:37] <kookie> yes, you have to really get to the grits of it....
[1:37] <kookie> good idea
[1:41] <kookie> Just don't get zapped by the cord's incoming voltage...
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[1:58] <GreeningGalaxy> I'm still having trouble with my bluetooth keyboard. it flatly refuses to work until I unpair it and repair it, which is tedious (and doesn't appear to be capable of being automated)
[1:58] <Valduare> GreeningGalaxy: are you on jessie
[1:58] <GreeningGalaxy> yes
[1:59] <Valduare> so odd
[1:59] <GreeningGalaxy> can I downgrade to the version of bluez that doesn't have this bluetoothctl thing?
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[1:59] <Valduare> bluetoothctl works for me
[1:59] <Valduare> do you have a diff bluetooth dongle to try
[1:59] <GreeningGalaxy> nope
[1:59] <Valduare> I have a cirago combo wifi/bluetooth dongle
[2:01] <GreeningGalaxy> I have some supercheap one, but seriously, if it works when configured manually, why shouldn't it work automatically?
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[2:02] <GreeningGalaxy> as I see it, the main thing standing in my way is that I need to write a script to re-pair it on every boot, and I simply cannot do that with bluetoothctl for some reason
[2:02] <Valduare> is it possible you botched something on install
[2:02] <Valduare> pop a new sd card in there and fresh install to compare
[2:02] <Valduare> then you know for sure its not the adapter dongle and a config
[2:03] <GreeningGalaxy> I find it highly unlikely given the circumstances, and i also lack the resources to do that righ tnow
[2:06] <Valduare> you can dd an img of your current card
[2:06] <Valduare> and then start fresh
[2:06] <Valduare> then dd it back
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[2:07] <GreeningGalaxy> I don't have an SD to microSD adapter at my disposal right now, so I'm stuck with what I have
[2:07] <GreeningGalaxy> and seriously, if it were an install problem, why would bluetooth work when manually configured?
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[2:18] <ewy99> I have a question. I have setup most of my Retropie but I am having a problem with advmame, it is loading the game roms but when I press the Tab key to bring up the menu, I can not use my arrow keys or anything else to navigate the menu. Any ideas?
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[3:39] <lengtche> Does the Zero capable of powering up a 4-port USB hub if I plug the unit in the wallÉ
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[3:40] <Mr_Sheesh> lengtche I imagine you'd definitely want a powered hub, I imagine you could damage the Pi0's PC board if you tried that
[3:41] <pksato> hub yes, but full load hub not.
[3:42] <lengtche> Mr_Sheesh Good call.
[3:42] <pksato> hub, mouse, keyboard, ethernet and a pendrive probably is ok.
[3:42] <lengtche> I was planning on putting a mouse, keyboard, and USB WiFi dongl.
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[3:42] <Mr_Sheesh> Minorly risky but those 3 might be OK - So long as the total load is under 500mA or so
[3:43] <Mr_Sheesh> I just always use powered hubs as they're so cheap that I have "many", 2 spare 10-port ones here now
[3:43] <lengtche> Are you saying 500mA from experience or is that something that is documented?
[3:43] <pksato> 500mA is max current of a USB port.
[3:44] <Mr_Sheesh> Yep
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[3:45] <Mr_Sheesh> So just don't overdraw the 500 mA that the only port on that Pi0 is designed for, and should be fine
[3:45] <Mr_Sheesh> (I think Steve, local guy, said that there's no polyfuse etc. on there, but not certain)
[3:46] <pksato> I dont have a Zero to check if pcb tracks are enough to support high current.
[3:47] <pksato> zero can backpower from usb.
[3:47] <Mr_Sheesh> Should be mentioned on the forums etc.
[3:47] <Mr_Sheesh> Hmm that'd be a nice lil trick too
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[4:17] <Penorsaurus> Hi
[4:18] <Penorsaurus> is rasplex a standalone OS
[4:18] <Penorsaurus> or do I still need raspdebian or something
[4:18] <Penorsaurus> on the sd stick
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[4:21] <exonormal> https://www.raspberrypi.org/?s=rasplex
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[4:22] <exonormal> http://www.rasplex.com/
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[4:22] <Penorsaurus> I know the URL for rasplex.
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[4:33] <lengtche> Mr_Sheesh pksato Thanks for the help, guys. Much appreciated!
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[4:53] <Valduare> hmm still not sure which arduino kit i should get
[4:53] <Valduare> anyone have suggestions?
[4:56] <exonormal> ok, lemmie look for you...
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[4:56] <bberg> Heyo
[4:58] <exonormal> Valduare: http://www.amazon.com/Robotlinking-Learning-Prototype-Tutorial-Mega2560/dp/B00Q2JYOBE/ref=sr_1_5?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1455422199&sr=1-5&keywords=arduino+kit
[4:58] <bberg> I'm sifting thru the subreddit, but i figured it was worth asking as I look... part of my project checks to see if someone is home or not. I figured a cell phone would be best with either GPS or checking to see if they are connected to WiFi. Anyone have a suggestion?
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[5:01] <Mr_Sheesh> bberg, I would be careful who you let know whether someone's home or not, it'd be tough if your system ended up telling burglar types when to strike
[5:03] <bberg> Mr_Sheesh: yea, i see that being a portential issue. I assumed that if I was just pinging to see if someone was using a static ip on my router, that wouldn't be an issue. The idea is to turn on a little LED
[5:03] <Valduare> why that one specifically
[5:03] <exonormal> has everything
[5:03] <exonormal> including the Uno
[5:04] <exonormal> LCD screen
[5:04] <exonormal> breadboard
[5:04] <exonormal> servo motor
[5:04] <exonormal> wires
[5:04] <exonormal> gizmos
[5:04] <exonormal> junk
[5:04] <exonormal> etc....
[5:04] <sir_galahad_ad> i'm pretty sure that same LCD came with my pi kit
[5:05] <exonormal> looks like it
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[5:06] <sir_galahad_ad> seems like a reasonable price too
[5:06] <exonormal> or you can get this one: http://www.amazon.com/DuinoKit-Essentials-Accessory-Pack-Discovery/dp/B00RRAM7PM/ref=sr_1_15?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1455422199&sr=1-15&keywords=arduino+kit
[5:06] <sir_galahad_ad> my pi kit came with less than that and didn't include the pi but cost about the same
[5:07] <exonormal> wow, you had to buy pi separately?
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[5:07] <sir_galahad_ad> i had the pi already
[5:08] <exonormal> I see
[5:08] <sir_galahad_ad> http://www.amazon.com/SunFounder-Project-Starter-Raspberry-Extension/dp/B00P2E9W30/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1455422894&sr=1-1&keywords=pi+kit+sunfounder was my pi kit
[5:08] <exonormal> looking
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[5:09] <Valduare> this ones got similar but cheaper http://www.amazon.com/Kuman-Project-Complete-Starter-breadboard/dp/B016D5KUHS/ref=sr_1_4?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1455380917&sr=1-4&keywords=arduino+kit
[5:10] <exonormal> that pi kit looked plentie sassie...
[5:10] <sir_galahad_ad> sassie?
[5:11] <exonormal> pretty good...
[5:11] <exonormal> fancy
[5:11] <sir_galahad_ad> ah
[5:11] <exonormal> in other words, pretty fancy
[5:11] <bberg> Mr_Sheesh: How would a burglar even know to look for this said 'ping'?
[5:12] <sir_galahad_ad> anyway it struct me as decent but, but that duino kit seems similar for a similar price and includes the uno
[5:12] <exonormal> yup
[5:12] <exonormal> weird
[5:12] <Mr_Sheesh> So long as you consider that while designing the system, maybe OK; But think "What would the NSA do with this" etc., too?
[5:12] <exonormal> now if they had pi zero with the pi kit that'll be great
[5:13] <sir_galahad_ad> certainly
[5:13] <bberg> Mr_Sheesh: Seems a little drastic for something so simple. It would be easier to track their phone/car?
[5:14] <bberg> Mr_Sheesh: how about pinging bluetooth? Then I am not adding 'risk'?
[5:15] <bberg> (assuming said person leaves bluetooth on)
[5:15] <ali1234> bberg: bluetooth has a protocol specifically for this
[5:15] <bberg> ali1234: do tell!
[5:15] <ali1234> https://developer.bluetooth.org/TechnologyOverview/Pages/PXP.aspx
[5:15] <bberg> ali1234: checking it out, many thanks
[5:15] <Mr_Sheesh> I've done a fair bit of embedded stuff, just saying that it's always a good thought to think about "What could go wrong?" BT has shorter range, so there's that. OFC many hams have APRS on so any burglar who knew them could just watch their APRS location LOL
[5:16] <ali1234> depending on hardware support it can even tell you the distance
[5:16] <Valduare> so hmm should I get this http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B019TNELNU?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_1&smid=A21QJ7PFF6GW31 and then fill it out with another accessory kit
[5:16] <ali1234> Mr_Sheesh: at the end of the day, there are not cybercriminals like in william gibson novels
[5:16] <ali1234> burglary is a crime of opportunity
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[5:17] <bberg> ali1234: my thoughts exactly. I am not concerned of cyber issues, but it is a good point to keep in mind for higher risk data.
[5:18] <Mr_Sheesh> ali1234 - Guess again. Lots of social engineering going on cyber stuff wise, as it's easier than other stuff; Hacking happens too tho. Talk to anyone investing in BTC or other cyber coins and see if they believe you there at all; THey won't
[5:18] <exonormal> Valduare: yeh, that'll do if that is what you are looking for...
[5:18] <Mr_Sheesh> Topics on MANY cyber channels state "cyber coin trades on IRC are always fraudulent"
[5:19] <Valduare> i’d like to tinker around with a little cd-rom cnc machine
[5:19] <Mr_Sheesh> VPS's get cracked into too etc.
[5:20] <ali1234> Mr_Sheesh: most BTC people are nutters, and as say that as one of them
[5:20] <ali1234> *I
[5:21] <Mr_Sheesh> I'd buy some, not most tho
[5:22] <ali1234> but the point here is that burglars do not yet posses the ability to track people online to find targets
[5:22] <ali1234> if you are savvy enough to do that you can get a proper job
[5:24] <ali1234> as such it only makes sense to do it for extremely high value targets
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[5:39] <bberg> and i'm not a high value target :p
[5:39] <bberg> thanks for the guidance
[5:39] <bberg> and i appreciate the thoughts, Mr_Sheesh .
[5:40] <bberg> I'll make sure to keep that in mind as the project grows
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[5:51] <GreeningGalaxy> well, my xdotool script works.
[5:51] <GreeningGalaxy> despite the apparent best efforts of bluetoothctl, I made it run a list of commands at startup.
[5:52] <bberg> ali1234: After some research, do you think the ARP from the DHCP handshake would be better than the bluetooth?
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[5:52] <ali1234> bberg: maybe, if the device is connected to wifi
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[5:53] <bberg> If i can figure out how to ping that router instead of the phone, i think that would be better. I can see BT working fine, but WiFi has a larger radius
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[7:37] <swift110-phone> Cool
[7:38] <Xark> ...haven't tried any GL stuff yet though (not my use case).
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[8:11] <h4x3> moin
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[8:34] <Raspbian> Hello
[8:34] <Raspbian> [02:22] <Raspbian> I have compiled a simple hello world C++ application. Every time I try to run the generated [02:23] <Raspbian> file it just flashes and then quickly closes. [02:23] <Raspbian> How can I fix this problem? [02:25] <Raspbian> Only way I was able to get it to stay open so I can look at the output was when I compiled it and ran it with the CodeBlocks IDE.
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[8:42] <baldengineer> sounds like you need to provide some code
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[8:44] <Raspbian> code: "#include <iostream> int main(){std::cout << " Hello World!" << std::endl;return 0;}"
[8:45] <Raspbian> baldengineer ^^
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[8:56] <mlelstv> no program "flashes and then quickly closes". That is caused by whatever IDE you are using.
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[8:57] <mlelstv> if that opens an output window and closes it when the program finishes, then you need the program to wait somewhat.
[8:57] <mlelstv> but maybe you can just configure the IDE to keep the output window open.
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[9:18] <brianx> or since it's text based, run it in a terminal.
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[10:40] <EdwardTurner> hi
[10:41] <EdwardTurner> i need an image converted to SquashFS. can someone help with that?
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[10:55] <mlelstv> do you have the squashfs tools ?
[10:57] <mlelstv> http://www.howtogeek.com/141325/how-to-multi-boot-your-raspberry-pi-with-berryboot/
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[11:13] <gordonDrogon> morning...
[11:15] <ShorTie> Good Morning
[11:15] <gordonDrogon> just noticed berry boot seems to have a memory tester - wonder if it's a proper 'bare metal' one...
[11:16] <gordonDrogon> not sure it does, ah well.
[11:17] <gordonDrogon> the technically right way to do that would be in the gpu, but I'm not sure that's going to happen either. hmmm..
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[11:19] <EdwardTurner> thx mlestv. i will go through that
[11:19] <EdwardTurner> i was hoping just to get the image into squashfs
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[11:24] <mlelstv> edward, mount the image and then use mksquashfs to create a squashfs image from it. Should be quite simple.
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[11:43] <ali1234> gordonDrogon: a memory tester in bare metal on the GPU should be fairly easy. due to the architecture, avoiding cache is trivial
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[11:47] <gordonDrogon> please write it then ;-)
[11:47] <gordonDrogon> seen a few people here wonder if there Pi is broken and had a few emails about it...
[11:48] <gordonDrogon> once upon a time I used to write test & diagnostic software too. A lot of it in assembler depending on the devices under test. I have little enthusiasm for this now though.
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[12:58] <halley> i downloaded the jessie raspbian via the torrent provided on the official page, but the sha-1 does not match the page
[12:58] <gordonDrogon> make sure you're checking the IMG and not the ZIP file.
[12:59] <halley> oh, man, boneheaded error here - wrong iso!
[12:59] <halley> the image is for what size sd?
[13:00] <gordonDrogon> no idea these days.
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[13:01] <halley> it's odd the "how to" page doesn't say
[13:01] <gordonDrogon> used to be 4GB, but I've a funny feeling it's now 8GB.
[13:02] <plugwash> There was a point where the image was too big for a 4GB card but I think it got trimmed down again
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[13:02] <plugwash> either way I wouldn't buy a card smaller than 8GB for a general purpose Pi
[13:02] <halley> i went with the full jessie, so i will have to see what sd's i have - i think i have a 16gb around here somewhere
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[13:05] <DWKnight> local shop had UHS-1 32GBs (full size, not micro) for $10
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[13:06] <halley> well, i was just in akihabara, i should have grabbed a handful
[13:08] <DWKnight> I bought like 6 of them because I knew I was going to be able to find a use for the lot
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[13:09] <DWKnight> it's a shame the UHS-1 micros weren't on for that
[13:09] <DWKnight> woulda grabbed those instead
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[13:09] <halley> yeah, i just got my Pi2, all my other SD are full SD not mini/micro
[13:09] <halley> forgot that change
[13:10] <DWKnight> I did, however, find a class 10 32gb in my collection that was not in active service
[13:11] <DWKnight> but for my media center kit, a class 10 4gb is actually overkill
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[13:12] <ali1234> $10 for 32GB is a fairly standard price
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[13:13] <ali1234> (for either SD or uSD)
[13:14] <DWKnight> yeah, especially since we're at 128gb micros
[13:14] <halley> hm, 1300 yen for amazon.jp to deliver sdhc micro 32gb class 10 tomorrow morning
[13:15] <DWKnight> not bad
[13:15] <ali1234> 32GB and below there doesnt seem to be any price different between SD and uSD
[13:15] <halley> considering it's 9pm, yeah, not bad
[13:16] <halley> hm, toshiba exceria brand - dunno quality, but they're 898 yen
[13:18] <halley> too bad i can't get optocouplers on amazon.jp tho
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[13:31] <ledil> If I want to connect my raspberry pi (piface) to a 12v device do I need two seperate inputs (rpi = 5v and piface = 12v) or can I just plug in 12v to piface and rpi will get the power from piface ?
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[13:37] <buZz> huh?
[13:37] <buZz> ledil: piface shield uses 12v? for what
[13:37] <buZz> which piface
[13:37] <buZz> i see multiples
[13:37] <gordonDrogon> the piface didn't used to power the Pi.
[13:38] <gordonDrogon> maybe a new one does?
[13:38] <gordonDrogon> however traditionally it was used as a relay board - so can switch 12v devices on/off...
[13:38] <buZz> the 'piface digital' is one with relays
[13:39] <gordonDrogon> and it didn't used to be called that - just PiFace ..
[13:39] <buZz> and the voltage (up to 20V) input isnt connected to anything, just to the relays
[13:39] <gordonDrogon> I've seen people connect mains (230v) to the relays )-:
[13:39] <gordonDrogon> 230v right next to their Pi... )-:
[13:40] <ledil> I need to switch 12v devices on/off (relay). Ive got a piface digital 2 and ive got a rpi 2. My supply for my rpi is 5V. is it possible to switch 12v devices with 5v input ?
[13:40] <buZz> up to 20V doesnt include 230v
[13:40] <buZz> :P
[13:40] <buZz> ledil: 2? O_o
[13:40] <ledil> raspberry pi 2
[13:40] <buZz> i dont see any 'piface digital 2'
[13:41] <gordonDrogon> ledil, yes, but I think you're thinking is somewhat incorrect. the Pi face on the Pi can switch 12v devices. the relays are powered from the Pi's 5v supply.
[13:41] <buZz> if you asking if 'piface digital' will output 12V if you only input 5V power to raspi, then no
[13:41] <gordonDrogon> the Pi's 3.3v gpio goes via a buffer to drive the relays at 5v.
[13:42] <gordonDrogon> you will need a separate 12v power supply for the 12v side of things.
[13:42] <gordonDrogon> so 2 PSUs - one a standard 5v one for the Pi and a separate 12v one for your devices
[13:42] <ledil> so it can switch 12v devices, but it can not power 12v, thats clear ... I mean it can switch 12v, right ?
[13:42] <gordonDrogon> switch 12v; yes.
[13:42] <gordonDrogon> it can switch 500v but I'd really not recommend it.
[13:43] <ledil> no ? why not ?
[13:43] <ledil> ah, sorry, didnt read 500v :D
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[13:44] <gordonDrogon> what is it that you need to control?
[13:44] <ledil> i need to control the dooropener
[13:44] <gordonDrogon> ok, so a 12v solenoid type of thing.
[13:44] <ledil> dooropener operates 12v and rpi 5v
[13:45] <gordonDrogon> as long as you have a separate 12v supply for the door opener then you'll be fine.
[13:45] <ledil> normally I can take also a 12v PSU like lm2596 to power both with one cable right ?
[13:45] <gordonDrogon> you could.
[13:45] <ledil> it sounds like a "but ..." ...
[13:46] <buZz> lm2596 isnt powerfull
[13:46] <gordonDrogon> well you need to make sure the 5v side is decoupled enough so that activating the door solenoid doesn't cause a brown-out on the PSU side.
[13:46] <buZz> oh 3A
[13:46] <buZz> well, i wouldnt trust them to supply 3A :P
[13:46] <gordonDrogon> buZz, but the Pi is limited to 2A anyway via the polyfuse, so ought to be just fine.
[13:46] <buZz> and yes, add big-ass cap on the 5V output side :P
[13:46] <buZz> gordonDrogon: it should yes
[13:46] <buZz> but will it!
[13:46] <buZz> :)
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[13:52] <ledil> one last question, ive got also a doorbell I want to operate through rpi ... normally I can take a sense connected to piface and when something press this I can open the relay for the doorbell ?
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[13:56] <gordonDrogon> if you write a program to do that, yes.
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[16:02] <kerr> Hi!
[16:02] <kerr> I'm envisioning a project I want to do, but I do not yet own a pi
[16:02] <mazyar> buy a pi then, they are cheap
[16:03] <kerr> If I wanted a PI Zero, am I SOL?
[16:03] <kerr> All I can find is scalpers on ebay for like $40
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[16:05] <ozzzy> scalpers?
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[16:07] <DWKnight> massive-markup resellers
[16:07] <DWKnight> price gougers
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[16:07] <kerr> People who buy up something scarce, then resell it at an unreasonably high price
[16:07] <SpeedEvil> That is assuming the Pi foundation were ever intending to sell it in volume
[16:07] <SpeedEvil> And not as a PR stunt.
[16:07] <Valduare> kerr: pi on magpi magazines at barnes n nobel here in the states
[16:08] <Valduare> thats where I got mine
[16:08] <kerr> I'll see if theres a barnes n nobel around
[16:08] <ozzzy> those aren't 'scalpers' they're businessmen
[16:08] <SpeedEvil> Making a batch of 20K, and then not making more seems intentional.
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[16:09] <kerr> why wouldn't they continue making more? people obviously want them
[16:09] <SpeedEvil> Because they can push people to buy the 2+ as they can't get it but expect to at some point in the future
[16:10] <SpeedEvil> And it kills demand for cheap competitors
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[16:11] <kerr> ... Does the raspberry pi have any competitors?
[16:11] <warpie> oh yes, many of them
[16:11] <ozzzy> probably because they can't build them for 5 bucks
[16:12] <kerr> I'd still easily pay $10 for a pi zero :/
[16:12] <kerr> Warpie, Name a few?
[16:12] <ozzzy> well... barring some specific embedded use I wouldn't buy one
[16:13] <ozzzy> and I can't think of any specific embedded use
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[16:13] <kerr> Embedded use for the zero?
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[16:13] <ozzzy> yep
[16:13] <SpeedEvil> Orange pi, http://www.gearbest.com/memory-cards/pp_246127.html , ...
[16:13] <SpeedEvil> The major thing the pi has going for it is community
[16:14] <SpeedEvil> which is rather orthogonal to the hardware
[16:14] <DWKnight> orange, banana, and the solid-run hummingboards all offer slightly different included hardware to the rpi family
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[16:15] <SpeedEvil> Just got some oranges to do some network cameras.
[16:15] <DWKnight> and that's just the ones I know of right off
[16:15] <SpeedEvil> Would have contemplated zeros, but...
[16:16] <kerr> hmm
[16:16] <kerr> Orangepi seems pretty sweet, at a glance
[16:17] <DWKnight> the big things that the bananapi and solid run stuff has that I'm interested in are the build-a-router kits
[16:17] <kerr> My project Idea was to control my RC rock crawler... remotely. So instead Of using a remote control, tethering it to a cell phone (via wifi) then controling it from my desktop at home
[16:18] <SpeedEvil> kerr: cellphone coverage at ground level can be _terrible_ even for 'good' coverage areas
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[16:18] <DWKnight> a wifi saturated test course would work
[16:19] <kerr> Yeah, The cell phone tether is more of a 'To really be remote'
[16:19] <kerr> In reality i'd probably use a laptop and ad-hoc wifi first
[16:20] <kerr> I see there are readily available c libraries for controling servos with the GPIO on the pi, So I just need to wire it all up and program an interface
[16:20] <kerr> (Oh, and figure out how to talk to the ESC for the main motor)
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[16:20] * ozzzy has a bagfull of various arduinos, a B, a B+ and a Pi2... and something called a Photon
[16:20] <ozzzy> still looking for projects LOL
[16:20] <kerr> haha
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[16:21] <SpeedEvil> https://pythonhosted.org/RPIO/pwm_py.html
[16:21] <SpeedEvil> you do not want to control servos using dumb GPIO, use that
[16:21] <kerr> The pi zero seemed well suited to my project because of limited space in the chassis. A regular pie would require chassis modification to fit internally
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[16:23] <SpeedEvil> http://tinyonestore.com/products/1800 - I am unsure of any documentation on this
[16:23] <SpeedEvil> Oh - OOS also
[16:24] <kerr> Speedevil, I was looking at www.airspayce.com/mikem/bcm2735/
[16:24] <kerr> In order to implement PWM
[16:25] <SpeedEvil> broken link
[16:25] <kerr> Speedevil, I was looking at www.airspayce.com/mikem/bcm2835/
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[16:25] <kerr> unbroken?
[16:25] <SpeedEvil> that orks
[16:25] <SpeedEvil> odd
[16:25] <kerr> I typed it, rather than copy/paste
[16:26] <kerr> I'm here on weechat (shell chat)
[16:26] <kerr> and have lynx in another tty
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[16:26] <SpeedEvil> the above does as many pins as you want accurate PWM
[16:26] <warpie> switch to Konversation
[16:27] <kerr> Well, I don't have x set up atm :p
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[16:27] <at0m> warpie: Konversation? on non-KDE? :s
[16:27] <kerr> I use xchat usually.
[16:29] <kerr> Is there any way that the pi zero is actually lacking? It has the gpio pins I need, mini hdmi, and one usb. A hub can fix the usb theng, then there isn't much else I need it for
[16:29] <SpeedEvil> ah - there is a 8 in one URL and a 7 in the ohter
[16:29] <kerr> Yeah, typo of mine
[16:29] <SpeedEvil> kerr: If you're using it for a microcontroller - then it's mostly fine.
[16:30] <SpeedEvil> Especially at $5 - it's a great bargain.
[16:30] <kerr> But I cant find them :p
[16:30] <SpeedEvil> But if you can't readily get it at $5, or you can't get another one if you break it...
[16:30] <kerr> yeah. :/
[16:31] <SpeedEvil> The compute is only 'slow' if you're trying to use it for a desktop, or some image processing
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[16:31] <kerr> I was hoping to put a webcam on it, thats the part I'm unsure of... performance-wise
[16:32] <kerr> Otherwise, how would I see what i'm doing 'remotely'
[16:32] <warpie> at0m: sure... it loads KDE in background and runs Konversation flawlessly... even in Win 10!!!!
[16:32] <kerr> but then you are running more stuff than you need :p
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[16:33] <at0m> apt show konversation | grep Depends
[16:33] <at0m> pages of it :p
[16:33] <SpeedEvil> many webcams can do jpeg output or h.264 even
[16:33] <SpeedEvil> you can in principle just stream that with no processing.
[16:34] <SpeedEvil> If you're talking about going over a phone, that implies quite low data rate
[16:34] <kerr> hmm... that's the part of the project i haven't researched at all
[16:34] <gordonDrogon> kerr, no camera or display ports, but apart from that ...
[16:34] <kerr> usb camera anyhow
[16:35] <kerr> Ad-hoc wifi first, I'll investigate the phone tethering later
[16:35] <DWKnight> priorities
[16:35] <kerr> Any I don't need to stream HD to control my crawler
[16:35] <gordonDrogon> how many PWMs do you need? The Pi has 2 on-board hardware PWMs.
[16:36] <kerr> There are 3 things to control
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[16:36] <kerr> 1. Steering servo 2. Main motor (via my ESC, if possible)
[16:37] <kerr> and then a servo for turning 4wd on/off
[16:37] <DWKnight> ok, so that 32gb class 10 micro I found was not only "just kicking around" it was already empty
[16:37] <kerr> I need to research how to control the ESC as well,
[16:37] <gordonDrogon> mikem's code will only do the 2 hardware ones, as will my wiringPi.
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[16:38] <gordonDrogon> some ESCs use I2C now - but most are still old fashioned PWM.
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[16:39] <gordonDrogon> personally I'd buy a proper PWM controller, but pigpio supports pwm on any pin.
[16:39] <kerr> Is it particularly difficult to implement software PWM?
[16:40] <Valduare> im using pigpio for rgb leds
[16:40] <gordonDrogon> https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/adafruit-16-channel-pwm-servo-hat-for-raspberry-pi-mini-kit
[16:40] <Valduare> but it runs the proc at 100%
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[16:40] <gordonDrogon> softwarePWM is possible, and I have a module in wiringPi
[16:40] <gordonDrogon> however there is too much jitter in it for servos - I tried and burnt a few out.
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[16:41] <kerr> I mean, while(1) { on(); wait(width); off(); wait(20-width); }
[16:41] <SpeedEvil> Software PWM causes both jitter and high power consumption on servos
[16:41] <gordonDrogon> the pwm in pigpio uses the hardware pwm timing and dma engine to clock data out over any pin.
[16:41] <gordonDrogon> kerr, do not to that - you'll burn out a servo
[16:41] <SpeedEvil> this is not the same as DMA/hardware PWM
[16:41] <kerr> ah... hmm
[16:42] <SpeedEvil> Burn out may be a bit pessimistic usually.
[16:42] <warpie> that's a nice pihat...
[16:42] <SpeedEvil> But it will certainly usually use more battery at best
[16:42] <kerr> So what is the different between what i was saying, and hardware pwm?
[16:42] <gordonDrogon> no.. burn-out is what happened to me. I really tried for a long time to tweak things, but ...
[16:43] <gordonDrogon> I'm working on dma/pwm stuff for wiringPi, but it's not at the front of my time right now.
[16:43] <Valduare> so speaking on this about servos etc the same is true for rgb leds?
[16:43] <SpeedEvil> No
[16:43] <gordonDrogon> LEDs work well with software PWM.
[16:43] <SpeedEvil> it'll just flicker a bit more
[16:43] <gordonDrogon> as do some DC motors for speed control.
[16:43] <SpeedEvil> maybe not visibly
[16:43] <Valduare> im meaning taking the load off the pi
[16:43] <Valduare> so its not rendering the pulses consuming the cpu etc
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[16:44] <kerr> So, what is software pwn lacking?
[16:44] <kerr> *pwm
[16:44] <gordonDrogon> about 1% cpu per pin for my code.
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[16:44] <Valduare> pigpio controlling my rgb leds bumps the cpu to 100%
[16:44] <gordonDrogon> softwarePWM is affected by other tasks running on the Pi. the Pi is not a microcontroller - it's running a multi-user, multi-processing operating system.
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[16:45] <gordonDrogon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cHIA3Nchp4
[16:45] <gordonDrogon> vide of my software PWM in use.
[16:47] <kerr> I still don't know what's lacking in software PWM, vs hardware PWM
[16:47] <Valduare> your using pigpio?
[16:47] <kerr> I was looking at mikem's library
[16:47] <gordonDrogon> no, I use wiringPi - because I wrote it.
[16:47] <kerr> Im looking at pigpio
[16:48] <gordonDrogon> kerr, hardwarePWM - accurate, not affected by the processor. Software PWM - jitter - affected by other things the processor is going.
[16:48] <Valduare> oh hi :) i’ve been to your page for wiringPi
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[16:49] <gordonDrogon> pigpio - middle-ground PWM - simulates hardware PWM by using a hardware timer to trigger the dma engine into feeding bits out of a GPIO port. if you feed the right bits at the right time then you can simulate PWM.
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[16:50] <kerr> While I'm not familiar with this per-se, isn't it possible to turn off scheduling and run at realtime priority?
[16:51] <t3chguy> if you run a realtime kernel, yes
[16:52] <t3chguy> http://www.emlid.com/raspberry-pi-real-time-kernel/
[16:52] <kerr> Ah, I see. not as easy as it seems
[16:52] <t3chguy> not quite, the kernel is compiled to aid in multitasking
[16:53] <t3chguy> so software PWM will often be interrupted
[16:53] <t3chguy> and cause jitter, which on a Servo will look like random movements
[16:53] <kerr> So I still get 2 pwm pins without having to worry about that too much
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[16:53] <t3chguy> the Analogue Audio out ones, essentially, yes
[16:54] <t3chguy> you could always get a PWM Port expander
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[16:54] <t3chguy> kerr: https://www.adafruit.com/product/815
[16:54] <gordonDrogon> back laters..
[16:55] <kerr> ty gordonDrogon
[16:55] <Valduare> gordonDrogon: do you think with pigpio utilizing 100% cpu it’s a problem with pigpio or the script controling my rgb led strip?
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[16:56] <kerr> I haven't even bought a pi yet, im trying to figure out exactly what I'm going to do so :P
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[16:56] <YellowGTO> Raspberry pi 3 http://www.sweclockers.com/nyhet/21744-raspberry-pi-3-model-b-lanseras-till-varen ?
[16:57] <DWKnight> english article available?
[16:58] <Valduare> google translate is what I used
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[16:58] <Valduare> it just says they think its eminent
[16:58] <kerr> t3chguy: looks like the way to go, actually
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[16:59] <t3chguy> kerr: they're really nice and cheaper variants using the same Chip exist on eBay from China and HongKong for $1-3
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[16:59] <kerr> Then really the way to go
[16:59] <t3chguy> lets you use a second power supply for the actual PWM which could be handy too
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[16:59] <t3chguy> actually not sure if thats for the PWM Signal
[17:00] <t3chguy> but lets you use a secondary PSU. probably for powering the devices attached to it
[17:00] <kerr> Now, the steering and ESC will require somewhat good control to be usable, the other thing is just on/off for 2wd/4wd
[17:00] <kerr> by pulling/pushing on a rod
[17:01] <kerr> ATM it's just jammed in 4wd position
[17:01] <Valduare> that board looks nice
[17:01] <kerr> Seeing that a 3-chanel controler would cost me ~$100+ was when I started thinking about this project anyway
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[17:03] <kerr> If I could ask real quick, it seems most 'tutorials' and 'guides' for raspberry pi projects use python - What is with the python obsession?
[17:03] <t3chguy> kerr: its a simple language - I personally hate it
[17:04] <Valduare> odoo.com is written with python
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[17:06] <kerr> I cant stand that whitespace is part of the syntax - it drives me nuts
[17:06] <t3chguy> I guess it forces you to lay it out neatly
[17:06] <kerr> Lots of editors, utilities, web utilities, ETC shit on preserving whitespace
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[17:12] <t3chguy> I quite frankly hate the syntactic sugar that is the majority of Python
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[17:13] <gordonDrogon> Valduare, I've not used pigpio, but I suspect it's more your script than pigpio using all that cpu...
[17:13] <Valduare> i’ll take a poke around
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[17:15] <kerr> So gordonDrogon, on a standard pi I get 2 pins of "good" pwm that I can run a servo and control an ESC with, correct?
[17:15] <gordonDrogon> kerr, that may be so, but try to keep this family friends please...
[17:16] <gordonDrogon> kerr, yes.
[17:16] <kerr> Ah okay gordonDrogon
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[17:17] <kerr> I'm used to hanging out in ##c and so forth :p
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[17:17] <gordonDrogon> The Pi is all about education, young people, etc.
[17:17] <gordonDrogon> which doesn't stop us old folks use it, however...
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[17:18] <kerr> well I'm a whopping 21 years old. I'm not that old yet :p
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[17:20] <Kymru> long shot, can anyone point me to a way to setup a RPi2 so i can access a VPN through a proxy for individual apps like firefox, i want to access banned web pages for some apps but not my entire computer
[17:20] <kerr> I think I'm going to use a solenoid for my 2wd/4wd switch.
[17:20] <t3chguy> kerr: I just had another idea, instead of using that whole huge board
[17:20] <t3chguy> why not get an ATTINY85
[17:21] <t3chguy> and write a simple program for it so that you can use the Pi to send PWM Values over UART
[17:21] <gordonDrogon> right - off to the cinema. laterz!
[17:21] <t3chguy> 4 channels of PWM
[17:21] <t3chguy> gordonDrogon: whatcha going to see?
[17:21] <kerr> Have a good one gordon
[17:21] * t3chguy hopes its Deadpool
[17:22] * t3chguy needs to find time to see Deadpool
[17:22] <kerr> Alsom I think I'm going to use wiringpi instead now
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[17:22] * t3chguy should have gone to see Deadpool today...
[17:22] <kerr> Am I allowed to make fun of the idea of running windows 10 on a raspberry pi?
[17:22] <t3chguy> kerr: not quite, as its not a possibility
[17:23] <t3chguy> the Windows edition that can run on RPi 2B, is Windows IoT
[17:23] <t3chguy> which can't be used as a Desktop platform
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[17:24] <kerr> Ah. I never even opened an article on it. I just saw "Windows 10 for raspberry pi" and was like "Lol Just like windows phone"
[17:27] <t3chguy> nah, its an IoT platform
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[17:28] <MY123> kerr: WP runs unmodified for the RPi platform
[17:28] <Valduare> hmm so I dont have any motor controller ic, anyone build an h-bridge with 4 mosfets that I can talk to?
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[17:31] <MY123> IoT is just another SKU
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[17:37] <buZz> Seldomly Knowledgable Unducator?
[17:38] <MY123> buZz: SKUs=editions
[17:39] <buZz> dont you mean a Stockkeeping Unit ?
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[17:42] <warpie> Valduare: buy this and you will be all set..... https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/adafruit-16-channel-pwm-servo-hat-for-raspberry-pi-mini-kit
[17:43] <Valduare> aye i seen this too https://www.adafruit.com/product/815
[17:43] <Valduare> but was contemplating if I could salvage some components and build a circuit today heh
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[17:44] <skyroveRR> ping gordonDrogon
[17:44] <t3chguy> skyroveRR: he's gone
[17:44] <t3chguy> to the cinema
[17:44] <skyroveRR> Ouch.
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[17:46] <warpie> well he can't be here forever, he should have some entertainment and time for himself....
[17:47] <Valduare> lol
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[17:48] <skyroveRR> I seem to be getting an error while compiling the latest snapshot of the wiring pi utility hosted on gordonDrogon's server. My compiler is based on musl libc instead of glibc, and here's the error that it throws up: http://pktsurf.in/images/sc.01.png ; any ideas?
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[17:51] * puzzola questions the wisdom of multiplying the security issues of IoT by the security issues of Microsoft
[17:51] <warpie> no, cuz it won't open the file
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[17:53] <warpie> you are using a Gimp file... you should use pastebin or imgur...
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[17:53] <skyroveRR> What? warpie, are you talking to me?
[17:54] <warpie> yes dear..
[17:54] <skyroveRR> What gimp file?
[17:54] <skyroveRR> It's a screenshot.
[17:54] <skyroveRR> Of the compile error.
[17:54] <warpie> yes and it opens Gimp in my maching
[17:54] <skyroveRR> So?
[17:55] <warpie> and it didn't show up
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[17:55] <warpie> sorry, I tried..
[17:55] <skyroveRR> Hell of an excuse there.
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[17:56] <puzzola> Kymru: You'd probably set the Pi up as a VPN as usual, then set the individual apps to use it. Firefox's config is in Options > Advanced > Network > Connection > Settings... > Manual proxy configuration IIRC
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[18:01] <kerr> About how much overhead does raspbian introduce?
[18:02] <warpie> ok, I copied and pasted the link in browser... and what I see is not noticable by me... I don't know about the wiringpi systems...
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[18:04] <Valduare> im still looking for suggestions for an arduino kit best options around 30 bucks
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[18:04] <ozzzy> depends what you want to do with it
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[18:05] <Valduare> I need jumper wires for breadboard and hoping it has some header pins I can use on my pi-zero
[18:06] <Valduare> I was considering getting this http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B019TNELNU?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_1&smid=A21QJ7PFF6GW31
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[18:06] <Valduare> and then getting a booster pack that has the other bits n bobs
[18:06] <DrunkenDwarf> Hi all. trying to set up a personal apt-repo with reprepro, its building fine, no errors on making the package/repo/uploading/apt-get update ... but when I try to install the package on it I get a size missmatch error, trying to get this done all yesterday and i sdont know where ive gone wrong
[18:09] <Valduare> i’d like to play around with building a little cd-rom cnc machine heh
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[18:13] <kerr> CD rom CNC machine?
[18:13] <kerr> What would that be useful for? :p
[18:14] <Valduare> could throw a hotend on it and have a 3d printer that could print parts big enough to create a bigger 3d printer
[18:14] <Valduare> and then swap the electronics over to the new machine
[18:15] <kerr> haha
[18:15] <kerr> I program and operate CNC machines on graveyard for a living so :p
[18:15] <kerr> you caught my attention
[18:15] <Valduare> cnc machines on a graveyard?
[18:15] <Valduare> or do you mean graveyard shift
[18:15] <Valduare> lol
[18:15] <kerr> Graveyard shift lol
[18:15] <Valduare> haha
[18:16] <Valduare> robots that probe the ground for caskets haha
[18:16] <Valduare> record data
[18:16] <warpie> sillies
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[18:16] <kerr> Nah I'm busy machining parts for terrorist control devices
[18:19] <warpie> ahh, weapons... heh...
[18:20] <ozzzy> I prefer watching parts come out of the metal with the lathe/mill under my hand's control
[18:20] <ozzzy> but then I'm not doing it for a livng
[18:21] <kerr> Yeah. Manual machining is fun... but
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[18:21] <kerr> You cant hold +/- .00005 all night long by hand
[18:21] <warpie> like, oopsie daisie....
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[18:22] <kerr> And FWIW, I'ts funner to be able to draw my projects then program them, and have the machine do the work. Then I can make it as complex as I want and keep machining time minimal.
[18:23] <kerr> Speaking of which CAD/CAM is the one area that provents me from completely obliterating windows from my home
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[18:26] <Valduare> so what do you hink of the cd-rom cnc
[18:26] <Valduare> what would you do with one
[18:26] <Valduare> could be a pen plotter, laser, 3d printer (not strong enough for a spindle )
[18:27] <warpie> I'd take it to my lab and hook wires to it and test it at 5kV and 1kA....
[18:27] <kerr> I think it sounds like a fun petproject
[18:28] <Valduare> build 100 of them and go into mfg business :P
[18:28] <Valduare> building the most subpar parts on the market lol
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[18:28] <kerr> I think 100 CDCNC machines wouldn't match even a $300 cnc router for production
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[18:29] <kerr> Also reminds me of the floppy disk music projects ive seen
[18:32] <ffledgling> Anyone here familiar with the pimusicbox project?
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[18:34] <warpie> yes, Mr. Google is....
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[18:36] <ffledgling> warpie: ... ?
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[18:37] <warpie> ok min...
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[18:39] <warpie> http://www.pimusicbox.com/
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[18:39] <warpie> https://github.com/pimusicbox/pimusicbox
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[18:40] <warpie> http://docs.pimusicbox.com/en/latest/
[18:41] <warpie> http://www.obscurednarration.com/2015/10/03/raspberry-pi-project-pi-musicbox/++
[18:41] <warpie> http://www.obscurednarration.com/2015/10/03/raspberry-pi-project-pi-musicbox/
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[18:42] <warpie> https://www.facebook.com/raspberrypimusicbox
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[18:48] <ffledgling> warpie: that wasn't what I was going to ask, I was going to ask if there was a way to do whatever pimusicbox does under the hood without installing it as an entire distribution and flashing my SD card
[18:48] <ffledgling> I guess I'll just look at the github
[18:49] <Valduare> the cd cnc will still be fun project
[18:49] <warpie> ok sorry, I was trying to help
[18:50] <Valduare> can counterweight the z axis for the weight of the hotend so the tiny stepper motor can still control it
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[18:52] <ffledgling> warpie: not a problem, I think I might not have phrased the question properly
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[18:57] <EdwardTurner> hi guys.. i ve got some question about berryboot. someone into that?
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[19:01] <hunter2> Hey guys, I'm currently sharing ethernet from wifi to my pi and using raspbian but I can't get a static IP address. I've tried googling it and found a few suggestions but none worked.
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[19:06] <Valduare> hunter2: bridge connection?
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[19:10] <hunter2> I'm not sure how to do that
[19:13] <Valduare> what comptuer do you have
[19:13] <Valduare> mac or pc or linux
[19:14] <pksato> sharing ethernet from wifi?
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[19:14] <hunter2> The windows computer i'm using is receiving wifi, i'm sharing that through ethernet
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[19:15] <DWKnight> using internet connection sharing?
[19:15] <DWKnight> if so, switch it to bridging the two adapters
[19:15] <DWKnight> or just spend the $20 or so on a wifi dongle for the pi
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[19:16] <pksato> cable to wifi can not bridged. except if enable hotspot mode.
[19:16] <pksato> hotspot or access point or master
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[19:17] <hunter2> I just haven't gotten to ordering a dongle. wanted to try this first.
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[19:17] <hunter2> I'll try bridging
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[19:17] <pksato> just enable internet sharing.
[19:17] <pksato> not bridge.
[19:18] <DWKnight> getting the wifi dongle for the pi will end up being less of a headache
[19:18] <hunter2> I did share, I'm getting internet on the pi but the IP changes randomly
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[19:19] <t3chguy> pksato: pretty sure Windows can handle seamless Cable to WiFi bridging
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[19:19] <t3chguy> I know of people who used a spare Laptop to connect game consoles to the internet
[19:19] <pksato> hunter2: is using jessie or other 2016 linux, use network manger to set ip.
[19:20] <hunter2> pksato: I'm just on raspbian, I'd rather learn to do it without networkmanager. networkmanager does weird things sometimes...
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[19:21] <pksato> hunter2: thais is current rpi ip? with internet working.
[19:21] <pksato> use this ip do set static ip no /etc/network/interfaces
[19:21] <pksato> if network manger is disabled.
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[19:23] <hunter2> i edited interfaces to have a static ip and rebooted but nothing happens, still has a 192.168.137.* ip address that was i guess shared by windows
[19:23] <lengtche> i picked up a micro usb to female usb adapter, but it's not otg. will that make a difference?
[19:23] <hunter2> I even changed the properties on windows to share on 192.168.2.*
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[19:24] <hunter2> still had 137.* though...
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[19:24] <t3chguy> hunter2: go to Network and Sharing settings, Adapter Settings, highlight your WiFi and Ethernet interfaces, right click, Bridge
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[19:27] <pksato> hunter2: can show yours /etc/network/interfaces ?
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[19:45] <whonut> hi. I can't find any information about physically assembly the scroll phat. Can anyone give me some help? I really don't want to tie up all of the GPIO pins
[19:45] <whonut> assembling*
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[19:55] <warpie> http://pinout.xyz/pinout/scroll_phat
[19:55] <lengtche> Would someone like http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=27_1048_1053&item_id=050682 work with the ZeroÉ
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[19:57] <DWKnight> lengtche: probably
[19:58] <warpie> tiny tho...
[19:58] <DWKnight> lengtche: if it's V2 of the dongle, it will
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[19:58] <warpie> I have a few Edimax ones similar to it
[19:58] <DWKnight> the edimax is a little more expensive and a lot more consistent
[19:58] <DWKnight> Edimax EW-7811Un
[19:59] <lengtche> thanks for the tips. ièll look for v2.
[19:59] <warpie> I also have 2 CanaKit ones..
[19:59] <lengtche> i'm in canada, so trying source something in canada is a little tougher. :\
[19:59] <DWKnight> lengtche: newegg.ca has the edimax in stock
[20:00] <DWKnight> http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA6XD2WE4612
[20:00] <DWKnight> the slow shipping is like 2-3 business days
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[20:01] <lengtche> awesome! added to my list. thanks :)
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[20:01] <DWKnight> I have one of those edimax ones
[20:01] <DWKnight> and have had good luck with it so far
[20:02] <warpie> I have two of them... they do get warm, tho...
[20:02] <DWKnight> what do you expect for the size though
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[20:03] <warpie> dunno...
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[20:03] <warpie> but I got two Canakit ones and they stay cool...
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[20:05] <lengtche> ah, nice. a canadian company.
[20:05] <DWKnight> it's not hard to find domestic sources for some parts if you know what companies ship from domestic locations
[20:05] <DWKnight> another one to try is NCIX
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[20:05] <DWKnight> see if they have the stuff you want
[20:06] <DWKnight> take it from someone in NS
[20:06] <lengtche> never thought of checking ncix. that's where i've bought my last 3 custom pc's from.
[20:06] <lengtche> nova scotia?
[20:06] <DWKnight> ya
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[20:07] <lengtche> any luck finding a zero case in canada that's in stock? only seen one site like bc robotix that has one but it's out of stock.
[20:07] <DWKnight> nothing domestic shipped
[20:08] <DWKnight> adafruit in the states has one for like $5us plus shipping
[20:08] <lengtche> i should have picked one up from pihut when i picked up my zero last week. :\
[20:09] <sir_galahad_ad> o/
[20:09] <DWKnight> I've sort of figured out how I'm going to do my networking downstairs now
[20:09] <DWKnight> an SG200-24 and an SF200-24
[20:10] <DWKnight> the SF200-24 would be for all the pis
[20:10] <DWKnight> (well all the pis and pi-alikes I get that don't have gigabit)
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[20:13] <DWKnight> aggregate the two gigabit ports on the SF and connect them to the SG
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[20:17] <ThePendulum> I imagine a bunch of folks are controlling LED strips with their Pi. What kind of power supply are you using? I have a 15A brick here, but it just dawned on me most DC jacks aren't rated for 15A
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[20:17] <ThePendulum> probably including the one on the PSU
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[20:20] <Valduare> hows it going guy
[20:20] <Crom> well got mesh firmware onto my wrt54gs v3
[20:20] <Valduare> control led strip with a pi? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3y_YuqfOyIA
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[20:21] <buZz> ThePendulum: XT60 is nice cheap connector, good for 60A
[20:21] <buZz> they also have a higher amp version
[20:21] <buZz> ThePendulum: hobbyking sells them
[20:21] <buZz> also, 15A is a -lot- of leds
[20:21] <buZz> :P
[20:21] <Valduare> trailer / towing supply stores have nice 2 wire flat connectors
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[20:23] <ThePendulum> buZz: hmm looks good, seems like I went wrong with the PSU I got
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[20:23] <ThePendulum> it has a DC jack :')
[20:23] <Crom> SAE Connector battery maintainers use them, you can get nice 25' extension leads with the connector at each end
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[20:24] <ThePendulum> buZz: and yeah, I got 416 LEDs, probably won't draw 15A, but that's kinda what I want to allow for
[20:24] <Valduare> what are you doing ThePendulum
[20:25] <ThePendulum> IDK :(
[20:25] <ThePendulum> perpetually messing up
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[20:25] <Valduare> addressable strips
[20:25] <ThePendulum> I have a LED grid and a LED strip and possibly other LED accessoiries in the future
[20:25] <Valduare> or just regular rgb led
[20:25] <Crom> 416 x 0.020a == 8.32A
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[20:25] <ThePendulum> I want to build a nice hub to wire it up to my Pi
[20:26] <ThePendulum> Crom: they draw up to 60mA peak, 40mA realistically, full white
[20:26] <buZz> ThePendulum: anyway, the XT60's are cheap and fit your purpose (and then some)
[20:26] <ThePendulum> 15A indeed isn't a peak you'll see any time
[20:26] <ThePendulum> but I'd rather wire things up a little bit more than set my room on fire
[20:27] <ThePendulum> buZz: yeah, I guess I need to build a case around my terminal PSU instead
[20:27] <ThePendulum> thanks for the suggestion
[20:27] <buZz> welcome :)
[20:27] <ThePendulum> now I need to find a nice solution to bundle 3 wires
[20:27] <ThePendulum> basically a few meter long heatshrink kind of thing
[20:28] <ThePendulum> 3 or 4, that is
[20:28] <DWKnight> I should get an atx psu breakout and such
[20:28] <DWKnight> use mopis to power a pi cluster through it
[20:28] <Crom> 24A at 0.060A
[20:28] <Valduare> they sell rolls of heatshrink tubing at harbor freight for cheap
[20:28] <ThePendulum> Crom: yeah, exactly, and DC jacks are usually only rated 5A or less
[20:28] <ThePendulum> so I don't really trust this
[20:29] <ThePendulum> Valduare: I asked whether people actually do this though, heatshrink meters of wire
[20:29] <ThePendulum> and I was told no
[20:29] <ThePendulum> xD
[20:29] <Valduare> I do
[20:29] <ThePendulum> ah
[20:29] <ThePendulum> well at least I wouldn't be alone then
[20:29] <DWKnight> heatshrink only bundles
[20:29] <DWKnight> if it's single connectors, not so much
[20:29] <ThePendulum> it wouldn't look too pretty though I imagine
[20:29] <Valduare> trick is drop a needle or something with thread through the heatshrink and use it to pull the wires through
[20:30] <ThePendulum> but yeah, I kinda want to get 1 wire for both power lines, data and in case of my WS2801s, the clock
[20:30] <Valduare> otherwise its a bear
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[20:30] <ThePendulum> yeah, a lead kinda like you'd do when wiring up your home
[20:30] <ThePendulum> just on a smaller scale
[20:30] <ThePendulum> Valduare: so you then spend some time heat shrinking along the entire length?
[20:30] <ThePendulum> what kind of result does that give?
[20:30] <ThePendulum> I imagine it'd look a little iffy
[20:31] <Valduare> had an issue with the insulation on my macbook pro charging cord deteriorating etc so I took it all off and put it through heatshrink tubing and good as new
[20:31] <Valduare> I like how it turned out
[20:31] <Valduare> the cable is thinner now
[20:31] <ThePendulum> also, what do you use to solder everything on to? do you use one of those breadboard-ish PCBs adafruit has?
[20:31] <Valduare> and has held up for a year now
[20:31] <ThePendulum> nice
[20:32] <Valduare> watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3y_YuqfOyIA
[20:32] <Valduare> my latest bit of tinkering with rgb led strip
[20:32] <Valduare> using ewaste to hook it up to my raspberry pi zero
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[20:32] <ThePendulum> did you make that video?
[20:32] <Valduare> desoldered the 4pin connector off of an old mobo and then used the 4pin connector and wires from an old dead atx psu
[20:32] <Valduare> ya
[20:33] <ThePendulum> nice ELI5 voice haha
[20:33] <DWKnight> I wish I had the time and practice to dismantle ewaste
[20:33] <ThePendulum> are you using the MOSFETS to up the voltage from 3.3V to 5V?
[20:33] <ThePendulum> sorry, don't really have time to watch the entire video in one go
[20:33] <ThePendulum> or time
[20:33] <DWKnight> would have so many components
[20:33] <ThePendulum> concentration maybe
[20:33] <Valduare> eli5?
[20:33] <Valduare> so the mosfets are a switch basically
[20:33] <ThePendulum> very slow and elaborating voice
[20:33] <ThePendulum> well not very slow, but clear I guess
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[20:34] <Valduare> the rgb led strips I use are 12v but the pi gpio is 3.3
[20:34] <ThePendulum> ah
[20:34] <ThePendulum> and you used it to go from 3.3V to 12V, or?
[20:34] <Valduare> so to keep them separated you can use mosfets to control the rgb lines
[20:34] <DWKnight> used the mosfets as electronically controlled switches
[20:34] <ThePendulum> OH wait, these are R G B channels too
[20:35] <Valduare> ya the strip I have is not the digitally addressable kind
[20:35] <ThePendulum> sorry, I'm not sure what the electronically controlled switches would do
[20:35] <Valduare> its RGB = ground and a 12v+ line
[20:35] <ThePendulum> yeah
[20:35] <Valduare> so the mosfets control the RGB ground connection
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[20:35] <ThePendulum> I have separate of those LEDs lying around
[20:35] <ThePendulum> well not that , what are they called
[20:35] <ThePendulum> those tiny square solder-on parts
[20:35] <ThePendulum> opposed to those bigger round long legged LEDs
[20:36] <ThePendulum> what an odd layout, GRB
[20:36] <DWKnight> LEDs come in may different sizes, shapes and intensities
[20:36] <ThePendulum> yeah, but I thought those short legged compact parts had a specific name
[20:37] <ThePendulum> maybe having to do with whether you solder them onto the PCB or stick them through and solder them on the bottom
[20:37] <Valduare> smd vs through hole
[20:37] <ThePendulum> I think that's it
[20:37] <ThePendulum> thanks :O
[20:38] <Valduare> http://www.instructables.com/id/Raspberry-Pi-Zero-Control-RGB-Leds-With-E-Waste/ here’s the instructable version if you dont want to watch the video :P
[20:38] <ThePendulum> the one thing I'm interested in is what the MOSFETS do with these strips
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[20:39] <ThePendulum> so they're not similar to how I'm using a level shifter (eg a bunch of them in a chip) to get a clear 5V signal from the Pi's 3.3V?
[20:39] <ThePendulum> but instead to get to 12V instead of 5t
[20:39] <ThePendulum> *v
[20:39] <Valduare> abstract the voltage
[20:40] <Valduare> it just lets you control the flow with a smaller voltage ie the 3.3 of the pi
[20:40] <ThePendulum> right
[20:40] <ThePendulum> are these just a type of an ordinary transistor?
[20:41] <Valduare> the T in mosfet = transistor
[20:41] <ThePendulum> yeah
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[20:41] <Valduare> the rest of the letters mean other fancy things that do stuff :P
[20:41] <ThePendulum> I mean, do they behave differently than other transistors?
[20:41] <ThePendulum> right
[20:41] <ThePendulum> basically like AMOLED and OLED I wonder
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[20:42] <ThePendulum> same technology, slightly different implementation, similar product
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[20:43] <ThePendulum> but yeah, mine are addressable, so I have a few different channels to worry about
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[20:44] <ThePendulum> I got them working, I just need a -lot- better power management
[20:44] <Valduare> yours are more fun to play with than the kind I have heh
[20:44] <Valduare> i use an old 12v laptop power brick
[20:44] <Valduare> but your leds are likely 5v?
[20:44] <ThePendulum> yeah, I have 2 PSUs for them
[20:44] <ThePendulum> I ordered a 15A power brick which I was intending to use
[20:45] <ThePendulum> however, #electronics made me aware DC jacks are rarely ever rated to carry that much
[20:45] <Valduare> use an atx power supply bridge the green wire to a black wire to turn it on and use the red wire for 5v
[20:45] <ThePendulum> so likely my PSU is a bit of a fraud and I'm at risk of the thing catching fire if I use it like intended
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[20:46] <DWKnight> http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/atx-breakout-board-bench-power-supply-p-1222.html
[20:47] <ThePendulum> Valduare: and yeah, addressable ones are fun :D have a go! http://led.unknown.name/ (live stream: http://tinychat.com/egi0jf)
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[20:48] <ThePendulum> DWKnight: so you plug an ordinary PC power supply into that board?
[20:48] <Valduare> ah good that breakoutboard includes the load resister
[20:48] <ThePendulum> is that efficient at all?
[20:48] <Valduare> that boad is not required exactly
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[20:48] <Valduare> you basically need a big resistor to simulate a load on the psu so you get a regulated current output for your small devices etc
[20:48] <ThePendulum> right
[20:49] <Valduare> the rest of the board is mainly the binding posts
[20:49] <ThePendulum> resistance is one thing I still need to wrap my head around
[20:49] <ThePendulum> as in, at the moment I'm still not sure why you'd want a resistor inbetween a battery and an LED
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[20:49] <Valduare> but you could get binding posts and a resistor and add it right into the case of the psu
[20:49] <ThePendulum> I know you do want one, but the whyness is still a bit iffy
[20:49] <DWKnight> some power supplies don't actually need the load to regulate right
[20:49] <DWKnight> but that kit includes the resist to do it
[20:49] <ThePendulum> resistance
[20:49] <ThePendulum> is
[20:49] <ThePendulum> included..?
[20:50] <DWKnight> the kit includes the part if the PSU you're using needs it
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[20:50] <Valduare> how do you tell on a piticular atx psu if its needed or not
[20:51] <DWKnight> multimeters hooked up to each voltage type I guess
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[20:51] <DWKnight> set to 20v
[20:51] <ThePendulum> my LED grid now takes full color drawings btw http://led.unknown.name/
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[20:51] <ThePendulum> http://tinychat.com/egi0jf <-- live stream
[20:52] <pksato> if atx psu not stay on, need the resistor.
[20:52] <Valduare> what do you mean if it doesnt stay on?
[20:52] <DWKnight> if you turn it on and it doesn't stay
[20:52] <DWKnight> or you turn it on and the voltages are way off
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[20:53] <pksato> press power, but PSU only power for few ms.
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[20:54] <lengtche> yay,. got my zero to boot. thanks pksato and DWKnight for the help.
[20:54] <ThePendulum> neat
[20:55] <Valduare> you have to bridge the green to black to turn the psu on
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[20:57] <ThePendulum> If a DC is rated 20V 10A, what happens to the amperage rating when you use only 5V?
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[20:59] <pksato> ThePendulum: if you have a 100% conversion efficiency on DC-DC, you have max of 200W on 5V.
[20:59] <DWKnight> 40A theoretical max
[20:59] <ThePendulum> ah, so the rating just reflects the conversion like that?
[20:59] <DWKnight> theories are backsabbing little bastages
[20:59] <DWKnight> *backstabbing
[21:00] <ThePendulum> for some reason 2.5mm DCs do get rated up to 10A
[21:00] <ThePendulum> but I'm not sure that if I instead use 5V, it would be able to carry 40A
[21:02] <BurtyB> err no
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[21:02] <ThePendulum> yeah, that's what I'm asking
[21:02] <ThePendulum> how do those ratings relate when using different voltages
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[21:03] <warpie> the ratings are "Max" of the voltage stated...
[21:03] <hinv> does anyone make a cluster operating system yet?
[21:03] <hinv> where I can put together a cluster of raspi's or PC's and run a desktop from one of them and it automatically migrates processes to the other ones?
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[21:04] <warpie> any voltage used up to rated amps.
[21:04] <ThePendulum> warpie: so if the jack is rated for 20V 10A, it would still be rated for 10A at 5V?
[21:04] <ThePendulum> or?
[21:04] <pksato> oh... yes.
[21:05] <pksato> 10A is max current.
[21:05] <ThePendulum> alright, at any voltage then
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[21:05] <pksato> ohms law
[21:06] <t3chguy> hinv: that would probably be less efficient than you think
[21:06] <hinv> I think I found one
[21:06] <t3chguy> can't shove that much data through a USB Bus
[21:06] <hinv> http://www.mosix.org/
[21:06] <hinv> t3chguy, USB2.0 is roughly 48MB/sec
[21:06] <hinv> USB3.0?
[21:06] <t3chguy> Clusters are often for distributed computing, not for load balancing the workload of a Desktop environment
[21:07] <t3chguy> hinv: Pi has USB2.0, a single USB2.0 Bus
[21:07] <hinv> how about the pi3?
[21:07] <t3chguy> Pi3 hasn't been officially announced
[21:07] <t3chguy> so any specs are mere speculation
[21:07] <t3chguy> I doubt it'll have USB3.0
[21:07] <hinv> and why a single one? aren't there two on the chip?
[21:07] <t3chguy> as then that'll drive the cost up
[21:07] <hinv> odroid-xu4 has usb3.0
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[21:08] <t3chguy> hinv: the odroid isn't made in the UK, where manufacturing costs are significantly higher
[21:08] <hinv> I ordered 4 CHIP's last night for $45 including shipping
[21:08] <hinv> they, at least, have 2 USB's
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[21:08] <hinv> t3chguy, all raspi's are made in the UK?
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[21:09] <t3chguy> hinv: the majority, in wales, yes
[21:09] <hinv> cool
[21:09] <hinv> but a cluster os would still be great
[21:09] <EdwardTurner> hey.. i´m trying to install raspbian via noobs and it is very! slow 0,3 MB/s
[21:09] <EdwardTurner> any issues there?
[21:09] <t3chguy> hinv: all you could cluster out is very non-essential tasks
[21:09] <t3chguy> the performance gain would be very very minor
[21:09] <t3chguy> if at all
[21:10] <t3chguy> the overhead would probably be larger than the gain
[21:10] <hinv> t3chguy, raspi isn't about performance
[21:10] <hinv> anyways
[21:10] <hinv> but know, there are plenty of tasks that would just use up too much memory to be done locally
[21:10] <DWKnight> the only thing you can really cluster on pis effectively would end up being video transcoding and program compiling
[21:10] <t3chguy> there's no point doing it then, less power efficient at similar level of performance
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[21:10] <hinv> t3chguy, because it fits in the budget and proves a concept
[21:10] <t3chguy> hinv: proof of concept, sure
[21:11] <hinv> why do people build clusters of 16+ raspi's anyway?
[21:11] <DWKnight> "Because I'm bored"
[21:11] <t3chguy> education
[21:11] <hinv> EXACTLY!
[21:11] <t3chguy> its not to do something like run a desktop on it
[21:11] <DWKnight> is the main reason to do ANYTHING with the pi
[21:11] <hinv> education turns into real world eventual;ly
[21:11] <t3chguy> a desktop environment is not designed to be placed across multiple physical devices
[21:11] <hinv> s/;//
[21:11] <hinv> t3chguy, well, it needs to be redesigned
[21:11] <t3chguy> have fun with that
[21:11] <hinv> we have X-Windows, afterall
[21:12] <BurtyB> hinv, mosix is great but you'll find lots of processes won't migrate (or wouldn't when I was using it last)
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[21:14] <t3chguy> I think using Pis to experiment with clustering is great, I just think that most processes aren't really useful when migrated away
[21:14] <t3chguy> they might need to check the internet, check folders, check user interactiono, and whoops, there's a large chunk of bandwidth used up
[21:14] <t3chguy> s/ono/on/
[21:14] <DWKnight> and some of the ones that DO migrate well already have specialized tools for it
[21:15] <t3chguy> exactly
[21:15] <DWKnight> (distcc)
[21:15] <t3chguy> because they have been deemed to be good for that purpose
[21:15] <t3chguy> if the Pi had a bus as fast as PCIe or something that you'd struggle to bottleneck then it could be viable
[21:16] <t3chguy> even USB3.0 *SHOULD* be fine for offloading most tasks over
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[21:17] <DWKnight> 5gbit on usb 3.0
[21:18] <DWKnight> 480mbit on usb 2.0
[21:18] <t3chguy> 16GB/s on PCIe 3.0 16x ;)
[21:19] <t3chguy> and its full-duplex
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[21:19] <t3chguy> like USB3.0
[21:21] <pksato> rpi 3? :)
[21:21] <buZz> rpi 3 has pci-e 3.0 ? sweet
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[21:22] <buZz> then i could finally add fast storage to it :P
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[21:23] <DWKnight> from what I can gather, the pi3 is still rumour aonly
[21:23] <DWKnight> at this point
[21:23] <pksato> next RPi can be a powerfull version, and more expensive.
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[21:23] <DWKnight> and there's going to be a A2 and CM2 between now and the Pi3
[21:24] <DWKnight> I'd make a CM cluster board just for distcc compiling
[21:26] <t3chguy> buZz: I doubt it will
[21:26] <t3chguy> DWKnight: I was just about to mention the A2 and CM2
[21:26] <t3chguy> DWKnight: why not use Zeros? Much cheaper
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[21:27] <DWKnight> CMs are easier to find right now aren't they?
[21:27] <DWKnight> plus, the board design would be able to do CM2s without changes
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[21:28] <t3chguy> DWKnight: Zeros will soon be easier to get
[21:28] <t3chguy> I already have a few
[21:29] <t3chguy> erm how many do I have
[21:29] <t3chguy> 4 I think
[21:29] <DWKnight> I'm pretty sure a sodimm slot, even vertical, would be less likely to have the module come loose than the zero
[21:30] <DWKnight> unless you screwed everything to a plate
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[21:30] <t3chguy> DWKnight: that is a fair point, isn't the Zero higher specced than the CM though?
[21:30] <DWKnight> nope
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[21:31] <DWKnight> it's equal to a pi B
[21:32] <DWKnight> (well B+)
[21:32] <buZz> t3chguy: me too ;)
[21:32] <buZz> whats A2 and CM2
[21:33] <DWKnight> the pi zero, b+, b and compute module are all equal
[21:33] <DWKnight> buZz: pi model A built on the same SoC as the model 2 and pi compute module built on the same SoC as the model 2
[21:33] <buZz> ah
[21:33] <EdwardTurner> rasbian server still kind of down
[21:34] <EdwardTurner> who could know something about it??
[21:34] <buZz> i decided to not buy any more armv7's
[21:34] <buZz> i have too many of them already :P
[21:34] <t3chguy> DWKnight: the Zero runs at 1GHz rather than 700MHz, higher clock speed...
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[21:35] <DWKnight> not much stopping you from ocing though
[21:36] <DWKnight> it's still the same SoC too
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[21:36] <t3chguy> it is, but some of the older ones aren't stable at even 1GHz
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[21:36] <t3chguy> whereas all Zeros are stable at 1GHz and beyond
[21:37] <DWKnight> considering you're dealing with clustering anyway, it's more a matter of personal taste
[21:37] <DWKnight> at this point
[21:37] <DWKnight> and the CM2 would have some nice performance gains
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[21:38] <Valduare> I need to get some header pins for my pi zero
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[21:42] <Valduare> trying to decide if i want to go with standard 2x20 header or a socket
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[21:45] <Crom> on one zer0 I have 2x20 header, on my other I want to get the right angle header
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[21:46] <buZz> i havent put anything on yet, havent decided
[21:47] <buZz> i'm considering soldering it straight on a pitft
[21:47] <Valduare> i’ve just been poking tinned wires into the holes heh
[21:48] <buZz> ^_^
[21:48] <t3chguy> I still have 2 bare Zeros
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[21:48] <t3chguy> one with regular 20x2 male
[21:49] <t3chguy> and another with a shrouded 20x2 male, that was a pain as the SD Socket and some capacitors are in the way of the shroud
[21:51] <Valduare> ah interesting to know
[21:51] <Valduare> I was considering getting the socket style for mine
[21:52] <t3chguy> Valduare: https://bit.ovh/2016/01/29/Pimoroni/image4.jpg
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[21:52] <t3chguy> just my latest Zero is missing
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[21:55] <Valduare> the heatsink on the zero doesnt do much?
[21:55] <t3chguy> aesthetics
[21:55] <Valduare> the soc is underneath
[21:55] <t3chguy> underneath? as in underneath the RAM
[21:56] <Valduare> ah ya I see whaty ou mean about the socket
[21:56] <Valduare> it even covers the mounting holes
[21:56] <longbeach> hi
[21:56] <t3chguy> I had to dremel away a couple of bits of it
[21:56] <Valduare> I want to get the zebra zero plus case
[21:56] <t3chguy> as capacitors and the microsd socket were in the way
[21:56] <Valduare> http://c4labs.net/products/zebra-zero-plus-for-raspberry-pi-zero-wood
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[21:57] <hunter2> I've been asking around but still no one can figure this out. I'm trying to get a static ip address on a raspberry pi running raspbian with a connection coming from a windows computer sharing connection through ICS
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[21:57] <t3chguy> Valduare: I've seen it
[21:57] <t3chguy> its quite neat
[21:57] <t3chguy> even it has a heatsink xP
[21:57] <Valduare> aye i’ve been talking to the maker to see if he can tweek it so it fits a t cobbler from adafruit directly
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[21:58] <t3chguy> thats why I have a shrouded connector on my Zero
[21:58] <t3chguy> for the Cobbler
[21:59] <Valduare> although the shroud isnt required the cable can still plug in to nonshrouded
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[21:59] <t3chguy> yep, but I wanted the shroud to prevent it going in backwards
[22:00] <Valduare> ah true
[22:00] <t3chguy> which could end with a baked pi
[22:00] <Valduare> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3y_YuqfOyIA
[22:00] <Valduare> you can see my pi zero in a cardstock case
[22:00] <Valduare> printed out and folded up and glued with elmers heh
[22:00] <t3chguy> lol
[22:01] <Valduare> I made some nice designs on it too but ended up folding it inside out so the blackoutlines didnt show up on the outside heh
[22:01] <Valduare> never got around to printing up another one heh
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[22:15] <Valduare> there are not very many options for 2x20 header pins on amazon heh
[22:16] <ozzzy> lots on ebay
[22:16] <Valduare> aye
[22:16] <Valduare> odd none on amazon though
[22:17] <Valduare> adafruit has some but too much money
[22:17] <Valduare> adafruits site has for 95 cents but 10 bucks shipping heh
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[22:18] <warpie> for crying out loud, Valduare, use amazon.com!!!!
[22:18] <Valduare> ?
[22:18] <ozzzy> I seldom use amazon
[22:18] <warpie> of course adafruit is expensive
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[22:40] <gordonDrogon> for special stuff I will always use a local (UK based) store that employes real people... but for little generic stuff, then it's anything goes - sometimes.
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[22:41] <DWKnight> be willing to ebay but prefer local shops for sure
[22:41] <gordonDrogon> I just saw some breadboards that would let you plug a Zero directly into - if you soldered on a right-angled 40-way connector.
[22:42] <Encrypt> gordonDrogon, There is a nice wooden case with an integrated breadboard
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[22:43] <Encrypt> This: http://c4labs.net/products/zebra-zero-plus-for-raspberry-pi-zero-wood
[22:43] <gordonDrogon> intersting. it has a heatsink hole though, so instant #fail
[22:44] <Encrypt> gordonDrogon, What 'instant fail'?
[22:44] <Encrypt> You don't like heatsinks?
[22:44] <gordonDrogon> not on Pi's, no.
[22:45] <Encrypt> Ok :D
[22:45] <gordonDrogon> however looks like that's a pretty neat little project for my lasercutter next week :-)
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[22:50] <t3chguy> gordonDrogon: Pimoroni stock that breadboard with no central channel
[22:51] <t3chguy> Also gordonDrogon what did you go and see?
[22:52] <Valduare> any disadvantage to using 2 sinle headers vs a 2x20
[22:52] <Valduare> single
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[22:55] <t3chguy> Valduare: they might not be perfectly lined up if you don't pay attention while soldering
[22:56] <Valduare> side tilt you mean?
[22:56] <Valduare> ya I could see that.
[22:58] <gordonDrogon> t3chguy, yes, the cake board. I went to see Dads Army - very funny.
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[22:59] <Valduare> im shopping around for an arduino kit and decided im going to get a arduino 3d printer kit and then a bundle of resisters/breadboard wires etc that sort of thing.
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[23:00] <JK-47> Valduare: why not a smoothieboard or ramps, already MADE for 3d printers, and arduino based
[23:00] <Valduare> its a ramps board
[23:00] <EdwardTurner> hi
[23:00] <Valduare> reprap compatable adruino kit
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[23:01] <Valduare> lcd and everything
[23:01] <JK-47> theres very little ourside of that which is needed for circuitry
[23:01] <EdwardTurner> i was hoping to find some help here.. but I do not get anyone to talk to.
[23:01] <EdwardTurner> what am i doing wrong?
[23:01] <JK-47> EdwardTurner: have you tried asking your question?
[23:01] <Valduare> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B019TNELNU?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_2&smid=A21QJ7PFF6GW31
[23:02] <UukGoblin> hi guys, I'm wondering if I can use raspberry pi with a projector with active shutter 3d glasses - I'm not sure if I need 60 or 120fps for that, and not sure how much raspi can output via HDMI?
[23:02] <EdwardTurner> many times.. JK-47
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[23:02] <EdwardTurner> today i quitting..
[23:02] <EdwardTurner> but for tomorrow.. how can I reach a helping hand here?
[23:02] <JK-47> is it a dumb question or a well thought out question?
[23:03] <EdwardTurner> in the middle
[23:03] <EdwardTurner> more to the easy side
[23:03] <JK-47> Valduare: which style are you going to be building? delta, xycore, i3 like?
[23:03] <JK-47> then ask it ed
[23:03] <Valduare> i like the delta styles just purely for watching it
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[23:04] <warpie> yup that is a good kit...
[23:04] <warpie> buy it...
[23:04] <Valduare> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B011X3B7H2?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_1&smid=A3VK20O22CCI8U
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[23:05] <Valduare> then there’s this cause i need male headers for my pi zero, and I also dont have jumper wires (always making them custom out of random bits of wire and tinning the tips lol
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[23:05] <Valduare> and I need some resistors and such
[23:05] <EdwardTurner> to tired.. thanks anyway. but when I see you here again I will.. thank you!
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[23:06] <Valduare> figure that kit I can hook up to a cd rom cnc machine that i’d like to build to drive it heh
[23:06] <JK-47> Valduare: check this. good BOM http://www.openbuilds.com/builds/mini-kossel-v-slot-3d-printer.720/
[23:06] <JK-47> ill build a delta one of these days. upgrading my xy to all openrails before that
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[23:07] <Valduare> thats a good looking machine
[23:07] <Valduare> openrails?
[23:07] <JK-47> the company that hosts that site
[23:08] <JK-47> big thick chunky extrusion rails with a angled slot
[23:08] <Valduare> I was thinking that it’d be fun to build a 3d printer with cd-rom steppers heh
[23:08] <JK-47> so wheels can roll on it well
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[23:08] <Valduare> and use it to print up some parts to build a bigger 3d printer
[23:08] <JK-47> they have bigger deltas on there
[23:08] <JK-47> that one just has one of the best writeups
[23:09] <JK-47> http://www.openbuilds.com/builds/rostockfazz.2930/ 400x1000mm print area
[23:09] <ThePendulum> Is Digi-Key known for being particularly expensive?
[23:09] <Valduare> that mini kossel is big enough for me
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[23:11] <JK-47> Id go for this if i were building fresh, not some unknown electronics from amazon. http://www.reprapdiscount.com/home/20-ultimate-power-pack.html
[23:12] <Valduare> i’d rather take my chance on 34 bucks vs 209 :P
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[23:13] <Valduare> i gotta run
[23:13] <Valduare> cya guys later
[23:13] <ThePendulum> <3
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[23:14] <ThePendulum> hmm hobbyking looks interesting
[23:14] <ThePendulum> they might have blades for my quadcopter
[23:14] <ThePendulum> not sure
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[23:15] <ThePendulum> might as well order them along some XT60s for my LEDs
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[23:19] <warpie> do they have one big enuf to print a full sized car?
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[23:37] <lengtche> i foresee LOTS of time spent on my new zero. :D
[23:37] <ThePendulum> :)
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[23:45] <[Saint]> I can't for the life of me see the point in a zero unless it is your intention to cram it into something very small.
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[23:45] <ThePendulum> ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
[23:46] <[Saint]> If you don't intend to use it in an embedded application, it just ends up being a lesson in how much one can end up hating themselves and the lengths you'll go to get it to be functionally useful.
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[23:47] <[Saint]> I suppose if you got it for free with MagPi it is understandable to try and use it.
[23:48] <[Saint]> Seeking one out seems pretty retarded to me. Again, unless it's for a small embedded application.
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[23:48] <[Saint]> But even then I'd probably prefer to cut down a Model A to suit.
[23:48] <DWKnight> ymmv
[23:48] <ThePendulum> Idk, if you're looking to control some LED strips or so it seems like a very decent solution?
[23:49] <[Saint]> ThePendulum: *duino clone
[23:49] <ThePendulum> You could put the entire Zero in the wiring
[23:49] <[Saint]> coupla' bucks.
[23:49] <[Saint]> and a lot smaller.
[23:49] <ThePendulum> afaik the Arduino requires an external controller?
[23:49] <ThePendulum> it doesn't run anything itself, does it?
[23:50] <gordonDrogon> sometimes an arduino/atmega is a better solution, however with a wi-fi dongle a zero is much more easier to communicate with.
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[23:50] <ThePendulum> if you like to use your phone as a remote and what not, an Arduino seems like a tough one to program
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[23:51] <ThePendulum> and what Arduino is actually smaller than the Zero?
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[23:51] <[Saint]> Nano/Pico
[23:51] <ThePendulum> the sammest arduino seems to be about the same size, and both of them would fit in a slightly oversized inline light switch
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[23:52] <ThePendulum> different realm of potential, still
[23:53] <[Saint]> I think the *duinos have more flexibility in their input voltage.
[23:53] <[Saint]> which is desirable for some applications.
[23:53] <ThePendulum> it really depends on your project I suppose
[23:53] <[Saint]> 5.5 to 22V or so I believe.
[23:53] <[Saint]> and 5V logic, but it'll also do 3.3V logic too on most of them, perhaps accidentally, perhaps deliberately, I dunno.
[23:54] <[Saint]> logic switching is something I always viewed as a PITA for some projects.
[23:54] <[Saint]> It's not complicated, it's just annoying having to do single or bidirectional logic switching yourself when the board should be doing it.
[23:55] <ThePendulum> I guess
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[23:55] <[Saint]> I realize often size is a factor in some applications, but, it's not like the components required to do this are expensive or add massive complexity.
[23:55] <ThePendulum> I wouldn't have a need for the Pi zero, but to call it retarded, meh
[23:56] <sir_galahad_ad> o/
[23:56] <ThePendulum> I mean how many people buy a Pi because they can
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[23:56] <ThePendulum> any Pi
[23:56] <ThePendulum> might as well buy one that's impressively tiny
[23:57] <sir_galahad_ad> i have a use for a pi zero playing host for my drivewire :)
[23:57] <ThePendulum> it looks nice to use as an inline media center or so
[23:57] <[Saint]> A lot of people. But those same people who buy one just because they can, with no prior understanding of the concept other than the media saying "It's an $N computer!" also end up quickly discovering that it is in fact not at all what they expected and it becomes a $N paper weight or junk drawer relic.
[23:57] <ThePendulum> idk, plenty of use cases and little lost when you get one
[23:58] <[Saint]> I imagine that number of people who got one vs. found a useful case to use it is significantly smaller for the zero than any other model.
[23:58] <[Saint]> But I have little more than anecdotes and conjecture to support this.
[23:58] <ThePendulum> isn't the zero more powerful than the v1 Pi B?
[23:58] <[Saint]> No.
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[23:58] <[Saint]> It's just clocked higher by default.
[23:58] <ThePendulum> source?
[23:58] <ThePendulum> right
[23:59] <ThePendulum> so it's the same at worst?
[23:59] <[Saint]> Right.
[23:59] <ThePendulum> and it's the same price, if not cheaper
[23:59] <ThePendulum> I mean why not, really
[23:59] <lengtche> i picked up a zero because it's the cheapest way to get into raspberry pi and see if i like it.
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[23:59] <lengtche> after that i can set it up as a quick and dirty web server
[23:59] <[Saint]> But requires a bunch of necessary additional hardware to make it actually readily functionable.

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