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IRC Log for 2016-02-15

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[0:00] <[Saint]> Whereas the A/B do not.
[0:00] <ThePendulum> like what?
[0:00] <ThePendulum> ah, networking maybe
[0:00] <lengtche> true. the extra adapters cost me $20
[0:00] <sir_galahad_ad> mini-usb to usb adapter minimum
[0:00] <lengtche> so the entire thing was $30
[0:00] <ThePendulum> who doesn't have USB A -> mUSB B cables lol
[0:01] <ThePendulum> every single phone bar 10 brand new models uses it
[0:01] <ThePendulum> and $30 is still cheaper than the Pi 2 :P
[0:01] <[Saint]> USB hub, assuming you want more than one port, cable/adapter for USB * to USB micro, USB Eth or WiFi dongle, GPIO headers (assuming you want to play with GPIO, if not why did you get it?) etc.
[0:02] <sir_galahad_ad> ThePendulum: yes but those are male on both ends
[0:02] <[Saint]> At which point, why didn;t you buy a Model B+ rev 2 or Model 2 B?
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[0:02] <[Saint]> I mean, you see where I'm going with this, right?
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[0:02] <ThePendulum> sir_galahad_ad: huh?
[0:02] <ThePendulum> the Pi zero has female mUSB sockets no?
[0:02] <[Saint]> I see a very tiny market for it for cramming it into small space embedded projects.
[0:03] <[Saint]> But...isn't that precisely what the compute module was supposed to be? But for some reason they never sodl them in signle unit quantities.
[0:03] <[Saint]> *sold
[0:03] <sir_galahad_ad> yes but you need an adapter to make it a fullsize femal
[0:03] <ThePendulum> I don't get it
[0:03] <ThePendulum> why would you need full size female?
[0:04] <[Saint]> From many points of view, the zero seemed like a really odd decision. For both consumer and producer.
[0:04] <ThePendulum> I guess
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[0:04] <ThePendulum> to me these all sound like non-issues
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[0:04] <ThePendulum> of which most are issues with whatever Pi you buy
[0:04] <lengtche> i mean, wouldn't you say there's an obvious market for the zero as they can't seem to produce them fast enough?
[0:05] <lengtche> they made a batch of 100,000+ few weeks ago and they're all sold out afaik.
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[0:05] <[Saint]> The other weirdness is the malarkey about "Oh noes, we thought that 20K units would meet demand for the Pi Zero, even though we were effectively giving 10K of them away for free, leaving just 10K for the entire global market to consume"
[0:05] <sir_galahad_ad> ThePendulum: to plug in usb devices.
[0:05] <[Saint]> Like...wait, what, seriously?
[0:05] <ThePendulum> I can see why you might prefer the Pi 2, but I don't see why it's particularly retarded to get a zero
[0:05] <ThePendulum> sir_galahad_ad: true considering it doens't have any networking
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[0:06] <lengtche> i'll be getting what ever rpi is most current next week likely.
[0:06] <ThePendulum> [Saint]: so you're both saying they should've anticipated there is no market for this, and they should have anticipated more people would buy one?
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[0:07] <[Saint]> What? No. There's always a market for stupid ideas.
[0:07] <ThePendulum> sir_galahad_ad: also mUSB -> USB A adapters are sold with every Zero here
[0:07] <ThePendulum> total package 20eu
[0:07] <[Saint]> They could sell a genuine turd, like literal feces, with a raspberrypi logo on it at this point.
[0:08] <sir_galahad_ad> ThePendulum: i don't know how much 20eu is in $
[0:08] <ThePendulum> considering the Pi 2 is 40eu and then you still need to get all the accessoiries left to get with the zero, seems like a fair deal
[0:08] <[Saint]> So the "we didn't know it would in such high demand" argument was just weird.
[0:08] <ThePendulum> sir_galahad_ad: er, about 22usd I reckon
[0:08] <sir_galahad_ad> fair enough
[0:08] <ThePendulum> it's in fact indeed sold out though
[0:08] <sir_galahad_ad> ThePendulum: for the record i'm not arguing that there isn't a market for the zero, but i think people should take everything into account :)
[0:09] <ThePendulum> and yeah certainly, people should think before buying a Pi
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[0:09] <ThePendulum> any Pi
[0:09] <ThePendulum> all I see is one that's half the size and half the price
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[0:10] <ThePendulum> idk, most people who fiddle with Pis I know have all the shit it needs to run in a box somewhere anyway
[0:10] <[Saint]> There's obviously a market for it, many of them same people who bough the other models with no idea what they were or what to do with them or what they could do will buy them, at this point that's essentially a guarantee. But I honestly do think "Did it ever need to exist?" is a valid question.
[0:10] <ThePendulum> I have maybe 6-7 mUSB cables and a flock of old wifi dongles
[0:10] <ThePendulum> mSD has been the standards in phones for half a decade now
[0:11] <[Saint]> And thank $DEITY_OF_CHOICE it isn't anymore.
[0:11] <ThePendulum> given it'll perform at least as well as the original Pi B I don't see why anyone would be disappointed
[0:11] <ThePendulum> did anything ever need to exist?
[0:12] <ThePendulum> I mean we could all just sit in a corner and wait until our last day
[0:12] <ThePendulum> I don't mind buying something neat and just fiddling with it without thinking about it
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[0:12] <ThePendulum> if you need 20 bucks to keep yourself fed, sure, don't grab one
[0:13] <ThePendulum> but I reckon most of us can afford one with less than an hour's work
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[0:14] <ThePendulum> there's just so little lost imo
[0:14] <[Saint]> My argument is really that for the relatively small price difference after all the extras are factored in, assuming you want to extend the capabilities to at least "multiple USB devices, some form of networking, and GPIO access" is really quite insignificant when stacked against any of the other Pi offerings.
[0:14] <ThePendulum> if someone buys one and ditches it in a drawer not to be found until 2030, I really couldn't be mad
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[0:14] <[Saint]> I obviously don't intend to question the existence of everything, and trying to derail the conversation in that way is weird.
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[0:15] <ThePendulum> it seems especially interesting for people who know what Pi's can do
[0:15] <ThePendulum> and just want to integrate a couple in their home here and there
[0:15] <[Saint]> It's like that episode of the simpsons when Homer whittles his chili spoon down from another, better spoon. Making a smaller crappier and all round less functional version of itself.
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[0:16] <ThePendulum> a wifi chip would've added a lot of value though, agreed
[0:16] <[Saint]> http://imgur.com/gWK6Hpd
[0:18] <ThePendulum> I see they make a handful of mUSB wifi dongles as well
[0:18] <ThePendulum> might be a tight fit next to the power though
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[0:19] <ThePendulum> hmm, time for a nap4
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[1:45] <Luke-Jr> rpi-update said it was updating my kernel to 4.1, but after a cold boot it's still 3.17… any ideas?
[1:45] <Luke-Jr> main problem is dmix hangs audio processes, so I don't really care what kernel if that works ;)
[1:57] <Valduare> any news on when 4.5 is coming out
[1:57] <sir_galahad_ad> ?
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[2:09] <Valduare> kernel
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[3:46] <Valduare> hows it going
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[3:54] <bberg> with remote desktop, is there a way to have the pi's HDMI output show what the remotely connected user is doing?
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[3:55] <pksato> remote desktop? this is windows thing.
[3:55] <Valduare> I havnt used remote desktop
[3:55] <pksato> x11vnc can do.
[3:55] <Valduare> teamviewer and such use same session so both users can see
[3:55] <Valduare> they use vnc if I remember right
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[3:58] <bberg> So if I wanted to remotely connect to my pi (from a windows pc or android phone, if I can only use one.. windows pc) - is there a way i could update the local (HDMI output) from the remotely connected device?
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[4:21] <Luke-Jr> bberg: as pksato said, x11vnc
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[7:34] <Crom> wish my HDMI switch would get here
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[9:17] <buZz> omg!!! OpenGL on raspi2 !?!?
[9:18] <buZz> omgomgomg
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[9:37] <buZz> hoi Habbie :)
[9:38] <Habbie> hallo :)
[9:38] <Habbie> what about opengl?
[9:38] <buZz> raspi2 supports running a mesa opengl 'emu' with hw accel
[9:38] <buZz> gotta try that with PureData soonish :D
[9:39] <skyroveRR> ping gordonDrogon
[9:39] <buZz> supposedly its fast enough to run some OpenGL games
[9:39] <buZz> so, might be perfect
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[10:16] <gordonDrogon> skyroveRR, morning...
[10:17] <skyroveRR> Hello gordonDrogon
[10:17] <gordonDrogon> yes?
[10:18] <skyroveRR> I'm using your wiringPi application; and I'm compiling it using musl libc based ARM cross compiler. However, while compiling, I get these errors: http://pktsurf.in/images/sc.01.png .. any ideas how to fix them?
[10:19] <gordonDrogon> )-:
[10:19] <gordonDrogon> Yes, I know how to fix them. Us eRaspbian.
[10:19] <skyroveRR> I don't use that..
[10:19] <gordonDrogon> I devleope on Raspbian using gcc.
[10:19] <skyroveRR> Do you recognise that error and are you aware of musl libc, glibc alternative? :)
[10:20] <gordonDrogon> some extremely arrogant person sent me in a set of patches to "fix" it for musl, so I'm ignoring it for the time being.
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[10:20] <gordonDrogon> I do not have the time nor energy to supprot more than Raspbian and gcc right now. The solution is to fork wiringPi and fix it yourself.
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[10:22] <gordonDrogon> the fix involves seeing which file in the musl libraries/headers contain the definition for _IOC_SIZEBITS and #including that file.
[10:23] <gordonDrogon> I may include a fix at the next release but for now that's what you have to do.
[10:23] <gordonDrogon> The down-side is that I have no way of testing it, so I can't maintain it.
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[10:50] <ScrumpyJack> I got wiringpi building with musl. gordonDrogon I hope that wasn't me who sent you the patches, and if so, i didn't mean to come across as arrogant. Patches would have just be to get it to build :(
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[10:55] <ScrumpyJack> nope, wasn't me. phew :)
[10:56] <lomas> hello there, I was upgrading pi os with "apt-get upgrade" it is taking aroung 3 hrs to download wolfram-engine..
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[10:56] <lomas> is there any other way ? Actually I'm on the way installing opencv
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[10:58] <ScrumpyJack> skyroveRR: we have an aport of wirinpi in Alpine Linux, which is built against musl. perhaps it might help you
[10:58] <ScrumpyJack> http://git.alpinelinux.org/cgit/aports/tree/testing/wiringpi/APKBUILD
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[11:00] <ScrumpyJack> the only change is sed -i -e '/sys\/ioctl/i#include <asm/ioctl.h>' wiringPi/wiringPiSPI.c
[11:00] <ScrumpyJack> so it should be eaasily
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[11:16] <DexterF> morning
[11:17] <DexterF> I have an ATX power supply so plenty of 12,5 and 3.3 V, a 3.5" sATA drive and a RasPi2. What's the easiest way to connect the 3.5 to the Pi? (cutting wires is perfectly acceptable)
[11:17] <Habbie> doesn't the pi want 5?
[11:17] <Habbie> or did you mean the drive?
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[11:20] <pksato> DexterF: buy a USB to SATA adapter, most come with PSU.
[11:20] <Habbie> ack
[11:20] <DexterF> Habbie: ok: what's the easiest way to connect the 3.5" sata drive to the pi. (3.5" is the crucial fctor as you can't power that from a usb adapter)
[11:21] <Habbie> DexterF, what pksato said, an adapter that comes with its own PSU
[11:21] <pksato> and, you can use adapter PSU to power RPi.
[11:22] <DexterF> worth a shot. need to power two DVB-S adapters as well hence I was looking to power all 4 devices from the one ATX supply I have anyway.
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[11:24] <pksato> buy a sata adapter that not have power connector.
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[11:26] <pksato> http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-2-0-to-eSATA-external-SATA-3Gbps-Convertor-Adapter-for-2-5-S3-/381372364204?hash=item58cb9075ac:g:T~oAAOSwd0BV2uSX
[11:28] <DexterF> pksato: yup, found something similar on amazon. thanks.
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[11:29] <DexterF> never tell your friends "of course I can build a media center for you that has bluray and dvb recording"
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[11:30] <pksato> http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-Gbp-SATA-to-USB-3-0-External-Adapter-Convertor-Port-For-2-5-3-5-Inch-Hard-Disk-/381121582898?hash=item58bc9dd732:g:kqsAAOSwzrxUtIpV
[11:30] <Xark> Not without putting your pinky to your cheek and saying "for a million dollars". :)
[11:30] <DexterF> in case you wonder: HP microserver with win7/bluray/raid not 24/7 on, now two dvb-s2 usbs on the pi2 will become an OpenElec based sat2ip streamer
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[11:31] <DexterF> Xark: more like 100 billion dollars
[11:32] <Xark> ...well, inflation, you know. :)
[11:32] <DexterF> Xark: uh huh :)
[11:34] <DexterF> does the raspi2 have enough punch to power a 9mm 2.5 drive?
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[11:35] <DexterF> could even be 7mm, so single platter
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[11:36] <pksato> if enable high power mode.
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[11:39] <RoyK> hi all. trying to enable the watchdog on a pi here, I get this http://paste.debian.net/388577/
[11:39] <RoyK> it works if I systemctl start wd_keepalive, but it'd be rather nice if it started automatically as well :P
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[12:16] <gordonDrogon> ScrumpyJack, no - not you. part of the issue is that I'm not able to maintain patches for another cLib/disty. I had the same issues with Arch on the Pi too, although they use gcc, so less an issue. What I don't want is to add something in for one disty/cLib that then breaks the 99.9% solution for everyone else.
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[12:38] <pksato> http://www.theguardian.com/technology/gallery/2016/feb/13/future-women-the-bell-lab-computer-operators-of-the-1960s-in-pictures-women-in-computing
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[12:40] <DrunkenDwarf> Hi all. Applying for a pi based job and prospective boss has asked me whether there are any big Raspberry Pi conferences or events that would be good for life scientists to attend. Are there any big pi conferences/events that run?
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[12:45] <SpeedEvil> DrunkenDwarf: Don't think so
[12:46] <SpeedEvil> The Pi is nothing special from that perspective
[12:46] <SpeedEvil> It is high enough power that you can't use it for portable logging stuff generally.
[12:47] <SpeedEvil> And more or less comparable to every other embedded linux platform.
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[12:49] <pksato> My be a 'big'SoB event.
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[12:50] <DrunkenDwarf> That's a shame. We use it for some quite interesting stuff, and academics are all about conferences :P
[12:51] <DrunkenDwarf> pksato: SoB event?
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[12:55] <pksato> SoB System on Board or SBC Single Board Computer. like RPi.
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[12:59] <DrunkenDwarf> hmmmmmmm. Embedded Systems Conference could be relevent? http://www.embeddedconf.com/
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[13:02] <mgottschlag> DrunkenDwarf: well, depends on how you use the pi, but to me the schedule certainly sounds interesting :)
[13:03] <mgottschlag> I don't know how much will be applicable to the pi though
[13:03] <gordonDrogon> A Pi based job? NEat.
[13:04] <mgottschlag> e.g. the power management talk on monday, or most of those chip design talks
[13:04] <mgottschlag> (looking at the Boston schedule)
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[13:08] <dewp> hey guys. using interrupts for measuring RPM. now I'd like to change the bouncetime dynamically
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[13:08] <dewp> is it a good idea to stop the edge detection and re-open it with new (dynamic) value ?
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[13:09] <dewp> or how would you proceed :)
[13:09] <dewp> (why? the bounce time of 50ms creates false-positive values when rotation is slow. but when rotation is really fast, 50ms is to high)
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[13:10] <dewp> yeah with hall sensor... might be useful information :)
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[14:48] <Bilby> moring
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[14:58] <dewp> hllo
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[15:14] <drkhsh> hey
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[15:20] <ThePendulum> Does anyone have a LED strip properly wired up? So not in a breadboard test setup, but actually put up somewhere?
[15:20] <ThePendulum> I'm trying to figure out how to wire it nicely, with proper connectors and bundles
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[15:23] <ThePendulum> I think I want a 4 pin connector on the Pi, gnd, clock, GPIO18 and GPIO12
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[15:25] <ThePendulum> then expose one 3-pin connector for a WS281x and one 4-pin connector for a WS2801, I'm going to need to wire up the power supply as well, since I need to connect the ground; I can't just plug the LEDs into the PSU directly
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[15:25] <Bilby> ThePendulum: Are you using 5050 RGB strip?
[15:25] <ThePendulum> yes, and a grid (just a folded strip, basically)
[15:26] <Bilby> Are you using addressable pixels or everything-the-same for color
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[15:26] <ThePendulum> They're addressable, one WS2811 (I THINK, there is a slight possibility they're WS12Bs instead) and one WS2801
[15:27] <Bilby> Ah, okay
[15:27] <ThePendulum> One has just a data line, the other a data and a clock, but both will need the ground wired to both the Pi and the PSU of ourse
[15:27] <ThePendulum> Which makes it a bit tricky qua connectors
[15:27] <ThePendulum> I'm not sure what the connectors those strips come with are rated for
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[15:27] <ThePendulum> When they're full on white there's quite a lot of current going through it
[15:27] <Bilby> I would just box everything together so you just have connectors going out to the strip
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[15:29] <ThePendulum> Yeah, I need to know what the type of connectors these strips come with are called, and how much current they're supposed to handle
[15:29] <ThePendulum> Ah, JST connectors :P
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[15:29] <Bilby> and depending on length you’ll probably want to split in the power wires every so often so you don’t get a brightness drop
[15:30] <ThePendulum> Oh they go well over 10A, nice
[15:30] <ThePendulum> Yeah, that's another problem
[15:30] <ThePendulum> Because that means I need to lay a line next to the strip itself
[15:30] <Bilby> project box with the Pi and driver chips, single outputs for signal and multiple for power
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[15:31] <ThePendulum> I'll wire up a single connector to the Pi containing the two GPIOs for SPI and PWM, clock and the Pi's ground
[15:31] <ThePendulum> I'll be keeping the Pi itself separate
[15:32] <ThePendulum> Then I indeed need a box that wires everything together neatly and exposes nice connectors for the two different strips I can hook up at the same time
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[15:33] <ThePendulum> The box will have an input for the PSU and an input for the Pi
[15:33] <Bilby> RJ-45 (ethernet) works well for signal over short distances
[15:33] <ThePendulum> hmm
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[15:34] <Bilby> You probably need 2-3 wires for each strand plus ground, so there’s plenty of clearance there
[15:34] <ThePendulum> one advantage of that is that I can tell stupid people that box is the entire Internet
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[15:34] <Bilby> you could also use 8-pin DIN serial connectors
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[15:34] <Bilby> if you need something to carry more current (but you shoudln’t)
[15:35] <ThePendulum> hmm
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[15:36] <ThePendulum> I think I'll just go with JSTs
[15:36] <ThePendulum> one big XT60 for the power in, ordinary JSTs for both the data and the supplementary power lines
[15:37] <Bilby> whatever works
[15:37] <ThePendulum> the trickiest bit is building a nice looking box
[15:37] <ThePendulum> as in, the box itself
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[15:38] <Bilby> You can get nice project boxes or contract 3D print / CNC
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[15:39] <ThePendulum> Yeah, I was considering to have one laser printed
[15:39] <ThePendulum> eh
[15:39] <ThePendulum> cut
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[15:40] <ThePendulum> I wish I could find a box with a few general push-out holes in it
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[15:42] <Bilby> Electrical box? I’ve used a metal overhead fixture box before
[15:43] <ThePendulum> hmm
[15:44] <Bilby> You’d have to use a larger one for this, and then it’s harder to mount things because you have to ensure electrical isolation
[15:45] <ThePendulum> I wish the power supply wasn't so god awful bulky
[15:46] <ThePendulum> I suppose I should build that in the same casing
[15:46] <ThePendulum> I need to hit CAD some time soon
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[15:50] <RoyK> erm... how can I completely disable ipv4?
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[15:50] <_AtilA_> Hi!
[15:50] <ThePendulum> oi
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[15:51] <_AtilA_> And here comes the question.. :) .. I'm looking for a nice Touchscreen for my PI, but I need it via HDMI
[15:52] <_AtilA_> I found a lot of them, but I'm not sure about the status of the drivers for the touch input :(
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[15:52] <Bilby> ThePendulum: what power supply are you using?
[15:52] <ThePendulum> I'm wondering if I could just order wire with 4 conductors and order 1-2 of them according to my needs
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[15:53] <_AtilA_> Is there any touchscreen out there which works with Linux based kernels, via HDMI ?
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[15:53] <Bilby> RoyK: Not sure on that one, if you’re running Raspibian you can try searching the question as relates to debian too since that’s the core of raspibian
[15:54] <ThePendulum> Bilby: I grabbed a 15A power brick, but yesterday I became informed that there's no way that thing should exist with an ordinary DC jack (those are rated up to 7A at most). I have another PSU that's not quite as pretty (10A) http://www.ebay.com/itm/AC110-220V-TO-DC-5V-12V-24V-48V-Switch-Power-Supply-Driver-adapter-For-LED-Strip-/301685560616?var=&hash=item0
[15:54] <Bilby> _AtilA_ Many touchscreens work happily with the Pi, most touchscreens have an input for video and a connector for touch. Most of the touch drivers show up to the system as standard HID mice so it’s plug ’n’ play
[15:54] <Bilby> if you find one that fits your needs you can always search model + raspberry pi and you’ll likely find someone who’s tried it alread
[15:56] <Bilby> ThePendulum you could always cut the barrel jack off… but it’s likely those cheap power supplies don’t put out their rated current anyway so i wouldn’t sweat it too much
[15:56] <_AtilA_> Bilby: ok, but you only need a HDMI connection from the touchscreen to the PI, right? there's no USB connection
[15:57] <Bilby> no
[15:57] <ThePendulum> Bilby: yeah, it's more that I wonder what else isn't rated properly, lol
[15:57] <Bilby> HDMI is a digital audio/video communication protocol with optional internal ethernet passback. There’s no way for a touchscreen to communicate with a computer with just HDMI
[15:58] <_AtilA_> ok
[15:58] <DWKnight> cec
[15:58] <DWKnight> but that's pretty limited
[15:58] <Bilby> the official Raspberry Pi touchscreen connects with a ribbon cable which contains both the video and the touch interfaces
[15:59] <Bilby> I don’t think CEC supports anything besides A/V management commands, nothing to provide XY or click afaik
[15:59] <_AtilA_> I thought HDMI could handle other data channels as well (because of the ethernet support as well)
[15:59] <DWKnight> I'm not sure of the full capabilities of CEC, but you're probably right
[15:59] <Bilby> hypothetically you could build one that communicates via the ethernet, but i don’t think most computer HDMI connectors support that and even if they did it’d be a PITA to implement lol
[15:59] <DWKnight> it MIGHT be able to do keyboard, but probably not touch
[16:00] <DWKnight> and ethernet over hdmi has limited device support as well
[16:00] <DWKnight> the pi doesn't have it
[16:00] <Bilby> DWKnight: yeah, it’s not designed to but you could probably do keybooard outbound, idn about inbound… i’m not 100% read up on the protocol but i know it’d be hack-y for this haha
[16:00] <_AtilA_> Fine! Thanks guys!
[16:01] <Bilby> _AtilA_: it might be possible but you’d need custom video card drivers to even begin supporting it and there’s no way any touchscreen vendor is going to do that when they can just toss in a standard HID usb device
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[16:05] <DreadWingKnight> I can see the usefulness of ethernet over hdmi in a multi-device setup, but the hardware involved in the alternative costs under $50US
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[16:08] <Bilby> IR passback on HDMI is super useful for remote devices, too.
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[16:09] <DreadWingKnight> CEC support is freaking huge
[16:10] <DreadWingKnight> I love CEC support, but hate that the hdmi switch box I have doesn't support it
[16:10] <Habbie> i most want ethernet over hdmi for devices that do not have a wired ethernet port today
[16:11] <Bilby> honestly HDMI over ethernet is much more useful to me, since I have ethernet many places and it runs long distances
[16:11] <Habbie> hehe
[16:11] <Habbie> 'why not both'
[16:11] <Bilby> unfortunately HD-over-IP is expensive and HDMI balun-style extenders aren’t cheap and typically take 2 runs of ethernet. They do work, though
[16:12] <Bilby> I have a cheap one from Monoprice on a 250ft run and it works great
[16:12] <DreadWingKnight> hdmi over ip isn't what the monoprice kits are
[16:12] <Bilby> nope
[16:12] <DreadWingKnight> it's just hdmi over ethernet
[16:12] <Bilby> it’s the balun-style extender
[16:12] <Habbie> it's just hdmi over cat5 i presume
[16:12] <Habbie> not 'ethernet'
[16:12] <DreadWingKnight> it's still more useful than ethernet over hdmi
[16:12] <DreadWingKnight> regardless of what you call it
[16:13] <Bilby> I’m not sure what the main use-case is for ethernet over hdmi
[16:13] <IT_Sean> smart TVs.
[16:14] <Habbie> Bilby, it would save me an ethernet switch under my TV
[16:14] <Habbie> Bilby, and it would wire up two devices that have hdmi but no wired ethernet port
[16:14] <Bilby> which mostly have wifi now and still requires an ethernet-supplying source nearby. hah
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[16:14] <Bilby> Habbie you have A/V devices that support ethernet via HDMI but not via a standard network port? wierd
[16:15] <Habbie> Bilby, no, i don't, but i wish they did
[16:15] <Bilby> hah
[16:15] <Habbie> Bilby, would make sense for chromecast for example
[16:15] <DreadWingKnight> chromecast would be the wireless adapter in that use case Habbie
[16:15] <Habbie> DreadWingKnight, hm?
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[16:15] <DreadWingKnight> or could use the tv's ethernet as wired
[16:15] <Bilby> I suppose in an environment where you had a surround sound receiver or HDMI smart switch it would be handy
[16:16] <Bilby> Maybe it was also envisioned as an enhancement / alternative to HDMI
[16:16] <Bilby> s/HDMI/CEC
[16:16] <DreadWingKnight> HEC is not supported on the chromecast though
[16:16] <Bilby> since you could transfer much mroe data over ethernet than CEC, and it would natively interface with apps and such
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[16:18] <DreadWingKnight> CEC support is far more widespread than HEC
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[16:28] <DrunkenDwarf> I get quite a lot of time off as it is. only 24 weeks of term at Uni a year. .. though thats not the full time job anyways :P
[16:28] <DrunkenDwarf> doh, wrong chat
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[16:30] <ThePendulum> d'oh!
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[16:31] <dewp> I have 2 raspberries, both running fine, one of them has its red LED only lighted when shut down. I googled how to turn it of on the other because it annoys me, then I read that it is an error if it is not lighted. why is my pi running stable? :-)
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[16:39] <Bilby> The red LED should pretty much be on any time there’s power - it’s powered directly off of the 3.3v bus. Do you have the pis running from the microusb power connector or from the GPIO?
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[16:47] <zvonimir> anyone tried using xautomation to control mouse over kodi?
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[16:47] <dewp> Bilby, from MicroUSB
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[16:48] <zvonimir> dewp: you're talking to me or I dropped into another conversation?
[16:48] <dewp> neither, i was just slow ;)
[16:49] <zvonimir> :D
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[16:51] <zvonimir> It appears that the pointer is moving "below" kodi, in the os itself but the information about it doesn't get to kodi
[16:51] <zvonimir> if that makes sense
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[17:10] <Bilby> dewp: Hmm. possibly a bad power supply that is running stably enough to not strangle the pi
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[17:13] <dewp> i tested on the same supply. well... as long as it is running... ;)
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[17:15] <SohamG> Does anyone here know where I can get a pi zero in india without paying 10x its price for importing?
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[17:30] <DrunkenDwarf> SohamG: Can't get a zero anywhere atm to my knowledge :P
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[17:33] <t3chguy> SohamG: there are no official redistributors in India, so officially you can't without importing
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[17:41] <SohamG> t3chguy, thats sad....does anyone know if it'll come to India at any time in the future?
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[17:41] <t3chguy> SohamG: eventually, definitely
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[17:41] <t3chguy> but thats once the backlog of orders clears
[17:41] <t3chguy> currently there are still at least a couple million people wanting one
[17:41] <t3chguy> then a bunch of people wanting multiple
[17:41] <t3chguy> so quite a few months yet
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[17:42] <SohamG> haha....Even then it'll definitely not be for the equivalent of $5
[17:42] <t3chguy> should be
[17:42] <t3chguy> manufactured in the UK, US pays same equivelance price (ignoring Taxes)
[17:42] <t3chguy> so import costs are neglected
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[17:43] <DrunkenDwarf> yeah, they're pretty keen on keeping the prices equivilent wherever
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[17:46] <Corsac> kubii would sell it 8.90€ (but they don't have any)
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[17:56] <aem> anybody recommend a unpowered usb hub for rpi zero?
[17:56] <aem> i already have a 2.5A psu so unpowered shouldn't be an issue
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[18:03] <dewp> ugh ^^accidentally made a short circuit with the 5v bus, nothing happened but a reboot *sigh
[18:03] <dewp> aem, i'm using EasyAcc H40 ... passive usb hub
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[18:04] <dewp> and DeleyCon MK361 as active
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[18:04] <dewp> (both are fine=
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[18:10] <aem> dewp but i have a usb 3 hub and it doesnt work
[18:11] <aem> and thats cuz rpi zero's dont work with them apparnetly
[18:11] <dewp> can you specify "doesnt work"? is nothing happening at all?
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[18:12] <aem> well keyboards and mice dont work
[18:12] <aem> its pretty well known but i already ordered one before i realized
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[18:15] <dewp> now i got you ... i thought as power supply and wondered as this cant be an issue due to backward compatibility... but as a hub for input devices, i dont' know :/ i'm only using ssh for accessing it
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[18:16] <gordonDrogon> afternoon.
[18:17] <DreadWingKnight> yo
[18:17] <aem> dewp makes sense thanks
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[18:20] <ThePendulum> Does anyone have a substantial LED strip and know for a fact how much current is going through it?
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[18:20] <ThePendulum> I'm trying to make an educated guess on whether I need 20 AWG or 18 AWG cabling
[18:20] <ThePendulum> /wiring
[18:21] <gordonDrogon> ThePendulum, no clues from any data sheets, etc?
[18:21] <gordonDrogon> maybe just err on the side of caution anyway..
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[18:22] <kingarmadillo> anyone using motioneye with their raspberrypi? when I check the motioneye config page I don't see any cameras listed under local cameras
[18:23] <kingarmadillo> when i run motion service the cameras capture images
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[18:28] * ShorTie Thinkz, I'd go with 18awg, bigger the better, less voltage lose
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[18:33] <DreadWingKnight> thicker wire = more capacity for power
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[18:34] <gordonDrogon> more power scotty ...
[18:34] <kingarmadillo> anyone using motioneyeOS?
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[18:37] <kingarmadillo> k ill reboot..
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[18:40] <kingarmadillo> didn't help
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[18:51] <ThePendulum> gordonDrogon: to be cautious I'd have to take 60mA per LED into account
[18:52] <ThePendulum> Which would be a little over 15A for my biggest strip
[18:52] <ThePendulum> Which would indeed require 18AWG
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[18:53] <kingarmadillo> 15A is a lot... I would start moving towards 12AWG
[18:53] <ThePendulum> However, realistically they're said to draw about 40mA, which is a little over 10A, for which 20AWG would be fair enough
[18:53] <kingarmadillo> oh
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[18:54] <ThePendulum> 12AWG seems overkill
[18:54] <ThePendulum> someone said http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm is a conservative table
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[18:54] <ThePendulum> actually, I'm not sure how they meant that
[18:54] <ThePendulum> either they're conservative with the numbers and you actually need bigger gauges
[18:54] <t3chguy> 20AWG@10Amps will drop .67V /m
[18:54] <ThePendulum> or they're conservative with their estimation, as in being careful, and thus a smaller gauge will often do
[18:55] <ThePendulum> t3chguy: this improves as the gauge gets thicker?
[18:55] <ThePendulum> lower awg
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[18:55] <t3chguy> ThePendulum: the Resistance is inversly proportional to AWG, Voltage Drop is based on Resistance, so yeah
[18:56] <t3chguy> switch same load to 18 AWG for example and its .42V/m
[18:56] <t3chguy> 12AWG -> .1V/m
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[18:56] <ThePendulum> hmm it only saves me 1,50eu per 5 meters and I suppose I can deal with the thickness
[18:57] <t3chguy> .1V might not seem like a lot, but think about USB, 3 metres and you're already out of USB Spec
[18:57] <t3chguy> if you want longer distance wiring, best using a pair of DC-DC Converters, switch the voltage to something Higher, 60+V, and switch it back down at the other end
[18:58] <ThePendulum> Does anyone know more about these WS28xx drivers? Does the data line ever need to be repowered as well, or does the chip always forward roughly the same voltage even over long distances?
[18:58] <t3chguy> Formula for Power Loss is P=I²R, which shows you that a lot of current is bad, as Current² is related to power loss
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[18:58] <gordonDrogon> I think I'd still go for the thicker wire myself.
[18:58] <t3chguy> ThePendulum: "repowered"?
[18:58] <t3chguy> the data line doesn't drop voltage
[18:58] <ThePendulum> t3chguy: as in, drop below the voltage for a logical 1
[18:58] <t3chguy> its a data line thats recreated at each LED
[18:58] <gordonDrogon> the chip/led re-generates the data signal.
[18:58] <ThePendulum> right
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[18:59] <t3chguy> as gordonDrogon said, the LED removes a *packet* of data from the transmission so to speak
[18:59] <ThePendulum> yeah
[18:59] <t3chguy> i.e the data related to it, and then sends the rest
[18:59] <t3chguy> so voltage drop will only occur if you have thin wires
[18:59] <t3chguy> but the Data line can be high AWG, as it'll only ever transfer a low current
[18:59] <ThePendulum> I'm buying a bundled cable though
[19:00] <ThePendulum> so it'll be 18 AWG as well, more by luck than judgement
[19:00] <t3chguy> (AdaFruit even suggest a few hundred Ω Resistor before the first Din pin)
[19:00] <gordonDrogon> 250,000 LEDs ???
[19:00] <ThePendulum> is it
[19:00] <ThePendulum> gordonDrogon: ?
[19:00] <t3chguy> along with a decoupling capacitor as close to the LEDs
[19:00] <gordonDrogon> 60mA per LED and you need 15A ...
[19:01] <ThePendulum> 1A is 1000mA, no?
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[19:01] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[19:01] <t3chguy> gordonDrogon: thats 250, not 250k
[19:01] <gordonDrogon> ah yes - ignore me - i'm just a factor of 1000 out... doh!
[19:01] <t3chguy> 15000/60=250
[19:01] <ThePendulum> 60mA * 256 = 15360mA, / 1000 = 15,36A
[19:02] <t3chguy> ThePendulum: remember another thing, the longer your chain, the slower the update rate
[19:02] <gordonDrogon> can a Pi drive that many LEDs? the timing is very critical from those neopixel ones.
[19:02] <t3chguy> probably not
[19:02] <t3chguy> maybe with a real-time kernel
[19:03] <gordonDrogon> t3chguy, it's nothing to do with hte kernel - you simply can not do this from code.
[19:03] <t3chguy> the Pi has issues with driving 64, sometimes they blink the wrong colour when the Pi isn't completely free
[19:03] <ThePendulum> gordonDrogon: 256 is working fine so far
[19:03] <ThePendulum> at least, strandtest.py works fine
[19:03] <ThePendulum> that said, under heavier load it'll probably start to stutter though
[19:03] <ThePendulum> not just totally, but the data will get scrambled
[19:03] <gordonDrogon> I wrote some user-land code to do it once - it worked for 3-4 LEDs but more than that wasn't workable.
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[19:04] <ThePendulum> that's why I got a WS2801, I got the WS2812B or WS2811 (no idea which one tbh) as a gift
[19:04] <gordonDrogon> and I don't know how, but I managed to blow-up an LED on an adafruit neopixel board )-:
[19:04] <ThePendulum> not going to tell dad "sod off, WS2801 only"
[19:04] <gordonDrogon> :)
[19:04] <t3chguy> gordonDrogon: wow, thats odd
[19:04] <ThePendulum> gordonDrogon: I have 1 dead LED in my strip D:
[19:04] <t3chguy> I've not blown a single one yet
[19:04] <ThePendulum> well the LED itself seems fine
[19:04] <ThePendulum> but I think the soldering is loose
[19:04] <ThePendulum> if I press on it it turns back on
[19:04] <ThePendulum> I'm not sure how that works with the data though
[19:04] <ThePendulum> the rest of them work fine
[19:04] <t3chguy> though a NeoPixel ring I bought from HK had one of the WS2812Bs soldered 180º wrong
[19:05] <gordonDrogon> The 2801 is great - clock + data - the timings there are trivial to do in user code.
[19:05] <ThePendulum> Is there a way to tell a WS2811 and a WS2812B apart?
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[19:05] <gordonDrogon> the down-side is that they never then put that chip inside the LED, so you need 2 "chips" + resistors
[19:06] <t3chguy> ThePendulum: http://rgb-123.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/WS2811vsWS2812b.jpg
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[19:08] <ThePendulum> oh wow
[19:08] <ThePendulum> so these are WS2812Bs, I had a suspicion
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[19:11] <Bilby> whee
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[19:12] <ThePendulum> my dad told me they're WS2811, the bastard!
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[19:12] <ThePendulum> not even sure what's supposed to be the difference
[19:12] <ThePendulum> both controlled the same
[19:13] <Bilby> bad news, ThePendulum?
[19:13] <t3chguy> ThePendulum: WS2812Bs are simply a newer revision thats more stable and efficient
[19:13] <t3chguy> also *brighter*, apparently
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[19:17] <gordonDrogon> ThePendulum, family friendly please...
[19:18] <ThePendulum> ?
[19:18] <ThePendulum> I guess the severity of that got lost in translation, sorry
[19:18] <gordonDrogon> ThePendulum, Rules: https://goo.gl/h5qPhz
[19:18] <t3chguy> ThePendulum: "my dad told me they're WS2811, the <.......>"
[19:18] <gordonDrogon> please read the rules of the channel and keep conversation family friendly.
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[19:19] <Bilby> one could make the argument that it’s possible ThePendulum’s father was in fact born outside of wedlock, however as the context clearly implies usage as epithet I shall defer to channel rules <_<
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[19:19] <ThePendulum> I wasn't aware that was all that profane
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[19:20] <ThePendulum> it's a matter of judgement rather than rules
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[19:20] <gordonDrogon> yes, and right now, I'm the judge.
[19:20] <Bilby> It’s not but the mods / ops like the channel to be “classroom language friendly”
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[19:20] <Bilby> which ~ makes sense considering it’s the semi-official raspi chan
[19:21] <Bilby> ThePendulum so other than making them light up, what are you doing with your lights?
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[19:24] * Bilby munches the last of lunch, mourns the fact he can’t play with his shiny new microchips
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[19:25] <gordonDrogon> hm. lunch. almsot time to mix up tomorrows bread dough.
[19:26] <Bilby> I’d ask you to ship me a few loaves of bread but i fear they’d not survive the trip xD
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[19:31] <ThePendulum> Bilby: well, in the end all they're doing is light up in fancy ways, really
[19:31] <ThePendulum> you can have them light up if you want :D http://led.unknown.name/
[19:32] <Bilby> oh that’s right you were in before
[19:32] <ThePendulum> yeah
[19:32] <Bilby> are you going to wall mount it?
[19:32] <ThePendulum> https://apprtc.appspot.com/r/483252828
[19:32] <ThePendulum> does this work?
[19:32] <ThePendulum> Bilby: this grid, probably, yeah, not too sure what to do with it
[19:33] <ThePendulum> I want to put a strip I have behind my desk and a low cupboard once we've renovated our room
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[19:33] <ThePendulum> so a swastika is classroom friendly is it :P
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[19:33] <Bilby> ah, neat
[19:33] <ThePendulum> bit of history is it :P
[19:34] <Bilby> uh eh?
[19:34] <ThePendulum> I just noticed the cam stream is mirroring it
[19:35] <t3chguy> ThePendulum: I have a strip of them running under my desk, pretty neat
[19:35] <Bilby> hah, i just had an interesting idea… combo LEDs like you have with RFID tags in physical objects
[19:35] <Bilby> user places object on reader to “see” the shape / whatever on the LEDs. Hmm.
[19:35] <ThePendulum> hah
[19:35] <ThePendulum> ehhrrrr
[19:35] * Bilby just got some RFID dev kits
[19:35] <Bilby> now everything looks like it needs them :P
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[19:36] <ThePendulum> oh nice, you straightened the swastiake
[19:36] <ThePendulum> that was bugging me
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[19:38] <Bilby> I’m not in there <_<
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[19:47] <t3chguy> ThePendulum: how much did 256 Neopixels cost you o_O
[19:47] <ThePendulum> sorry for clearing the swastika, my mom is wandering about, lol
[19:47] <ThePendulum> t3chguy: I think they were about 60-80eu, not sure
[19:47] <ThePendulum> I got them as a gift
[19:48] <t3chguy> ThePendulum: I think you spoke to me around the time you got them
[19:48] <t3chguy> seem to recall something
[19:49] <ThePendulum> that's better @ heart :)
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[19:51] <Bilby> That pricing sounds about right
[19:52] <t3chguy> I just found a 16*16 for £38
[19:52] <t3chguy> AdaFruit sell one for $100
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[19:53] <t3chguy> s/100/110/
[19:53] <Bilby> actually that seems a bit cheap haha
[19:53] <Bilby> this is a 10 / m * 5 m for $27 http://www.holidaycoro.com/Smart-Pixel-LED-RGB-Strip-30-LEDs-m-50-Pixels-m-p/700.htm
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[19:55] <Bilby> You’d need ~ 6 strings
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[19:58] <Pennth> https://isc.sans.edu/forums/diary/More+MultiArchitecture+IoT+Malware/20731/ -- Don't forget to change your pi passwords
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[19:58] <t3chguy> so much power dissipation in such a small space with a 16*16 grid lol
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[19:59] <t3chguy> my Unicorn HAT (8*8 WS2812Bs can get fairly hot)
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[20:13] <ThePendulum> Bilby: woaaah that strip
[20:13] <ThePendulum> I paid some 70usd for that I think
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[20:13] <ThePendulum> wait
[20:13] <ThePendulum> Oh, they're chipped per 3
[20:13] <ThePendulum> that explains a lot
[20:14] <ThePendulum> mine are 30 LEDs/m and 30 pixels/m
[20:14] <DreadWingKnight> the 1080p60 video I had that had trouble on the pi1 b had no problems on the pi2
[20:14] <DreadWingKnight> wee
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[20:14] <Bilby> yeah it’s 30 LEDs / 10 pixes /m
[20:14] <ThePendulum> yeah *phew*
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[20:16] <Bilby> This 60 pixels /m strip could be interesting too, $64.99
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[20:28] <EdwardTurner> hey.. i can´t overclock my Pi. Got an error in raspi-config.. Someone into that?
[20:31] <Bilby> what error did you get?
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[20:55] <EdwardTurner> Hey Bilby
[20:56] <EdwardTurner> This Pi cannot be overclocked - There was an error running option 8 Overclock
[20:56] <buZz> nice
[20:56] <buZz> what error?
[20:56] <EdwardTurner> thats the error
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[20:56] <buZz> never seen that
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[20:56] <EdwardTurner> I am in raspbain > terminal > raspi-config
[20:56] <buZz> are you running it as root?
[20:56] <EdwardTurner> sudo
[20:56] <EdwardTurner> yes
[20:57] <EdwardTurner> I overclocked it before
[20:57] <buZz> are you sure you're running it on a pi? :D
[20:57] <EdwardTurner> haha
[20:57] <Temper> if I put 5v ttl on the raspberry pi did i kill the port?
[20:57] <buZz> and you updated raspi-config to be latest?
[20:57] <buZz> and installed all updates?
[20:57] <buZz> Temper: yes
[20:57] <t3chguy> Temper: over time, yes
[20:57] <t3chguy> it will definitely work until a point
[20:57] <EdwardTurner> how can I update everthing?
[20:57] <hunter2> Hey guys, I'm trying to ssh into my pi as root with mobaxterm but it keeps saying access denied, anyone know how to do this? I already tried changing the password
[20:57] <buZz> EdwardTurner: same as any debian
[20:57] <t3chguy> EdwardTurner: sudo apt update&&sudo apt upgrade
[20:58] <EdwardTurner> ok
[20:58] <buZz> EdwardTurner: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
[20:58] <EdwardTurner> new to that
[20:58] <EdwardTurner> I try
[20:58] <buZz> welcome :)
[20:58] <Temper> I am trying to get a printer to work.. and when I do: echo "hello" >> /dev/ttyAMA0 .. I get garbage..
[20:58] <buZz> Temper: have you tried CUPS?
[20:58] <Temper> for a serial thermal printer?
[20:58] <Temper> no.. and i don't want to
[20:58] <Chillum> Temper: did you disable the serial console first?
[20:59] <buZz> i use cups for a serial thermal printer, yes
[20:59] <Temper> yes.. I did disable it..
[20:59] <Chillum> hehe just checking
[20:59] <Chillum> I have only ever used the python thermal library, never tried to talk directly to it
[20:59] <Temper> buZz: for a serial port thermal printer? why use cups for that?
[21:00] <Chillum> never heard of using cups for it, it is a totally different style of printer
[21:00] <t3chguy> buZz: && > ;
[21:00] <Chillum> https://github.com/adafruit/Python-Thermal-Printer <-- this worked for me
[21:00] <buZz> Temper: because it requires a driver to run
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[21:00] <buZz> i cant just echo "penis" and get a label
[21:00] <Temper> so if i burn the input on the raspberry pi is the output dead too?
[21:01] <Temper> buZz: well if /dev/ttyAMA0 is there the driver is installed
[21:01] <Chillum> buZz: if you have to label it, then there is a problem
[21:01] <buZz> no, different driver ;)
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[21:01] <buZz> Temper: /dev/ttyBLA is the serial port
[21:01] <EdwardTurner> got it
[21:01] <EdwardTurner> that was the prob..
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[21:02] <buZz> Temper: what you call a driver for a printer is what turns 'that what you want on the paper' to commands the printer understands to mean that
[21:02] <EdwardTurner> and as I have your attention: I´ve got 3 Bluetooth dongle here. Is there any test I can do to see which is the best?
[21:02] <Temper> well. the printer should just dump ascii to the paper
[21:02] <Chillum> a thermal printer is not like a regular printer. You can't just print a page onto it. You need to either send 1-bit bitmaps to it or print using built in fonts
[21:03] <gordonDrogon> EdwardTurner, the one that works first time is the best.
[21:03] <buZz> Temper: yeah , printer stopped doing that a long time ago ;)
[21:03] <Chillum> you either learn its serial langauge, or you use an existing library to access it
[21:03] <Temper> i have a few..
[21:03] <buZz> exactly Chillum
[21:03] <Temper> one in c#
[21:03] <Temper> but it doesn't work..
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[21:03] <EdwardTurner> yeah ok.. but maybe some dmesg or hcitool test to see some future probs?
[21:03] <Temper> trying to figure out if i burnt the port or I have a settings issue.
[21:04] <buZz> Temper: maybe just read the documentation that you got with your printer for control commands
[21:04] <Temper> HAHAHAHAHHAAH documentation that came with printer!
[21:04] <buZz> oh you buy discounted stuff from aliexpress and then blame us for it not working as you expected
[21:04] <buZz> k
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[21:05] <Temper> buzz: yeah you can check out of this conversation.. you are not being helpful from where I sit..
[21:05] <Temper> who recommended this python-thermal-printer git?
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[21:06] <Chillum> here is some example code I made for using the printer: http://code.highinbc.com/?printBitcoinWallet.py&py
[21:07] <Temper> I just ran root@raspberrypi:~/Python-Thermal-Printer# python printertest.py
[21:07] <Temper> from https://github.com/adafruit/Python-Thermal-Printer
[21:07] <Temper> and got junk
[21:07] <Temper> so I am pretty sure I broke it.
[21:08] <Chillum> have you tried changing the baud rate in the code?
[21:08] <Chillum> not all printers are set to the same rate
[21:08] <Temper> mine is 19200 and the code is 19200
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[21:08] <Chillum> you are unlikely to break it by sending the wrong data, not unless you hook up the wrong voltage our something
[21:08] <Temper> in the c# code I was messing with plarity and etc..
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[21:09] <Temper> Chillum: i plugged the 5v tx from the printer into the ras-pi
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[21:09] <Temper> you know.. the thing it says not to do..
[21:09] <Chillum> that is only used for the "out of paper" signal
[21:09] <Chillum> but I just left it out
[21:09] <Chillum> I used these instructions: https://learn.adafruit.com/mini-thermal-receipt-printer
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[21:10] <Chillum> ohh, can you do a printer self-test? Attaching it to power only hold down the button for several seconds. It should print a test page
[21:10] <Chillum> this will check if the printer itself is ok
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[21:10] <Temper> that works
[21:11] <Chillum> then the printer is okay, and it should say the baud information
[21:11] <Temper> 19200
[21:11] <Chillum> progress
[21:11] <Chillum> !
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[21:12] <Chillum> ohh, I am using a similarly named library, but a different one: https://github.com/adafruit/Adafruit-Thermal-Printer-Library
[21:12] <Chillum> derp, ignore me. that is the wrong link
[21:12] <Chillum> it is before my coffee
[21:13] <Chillum> that is the arduino link
[21:13] <Temper> hahah
[21:13] <Temper> I am thinking I burnt the port..
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[21:13] <Temper> i would think that would only ruin the recieve.. but maybe not
[21:14] <t3chguy> Temper: you can test the port, just jumper Tx to Rx on the Pi and send something over Serial
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[21:14] <Temper> t3chguy: that's briliant..
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[21:14] <t3chguy> Temper: its a standard test lol
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[21:15] <mgottschlag> indeed... just not practical to test the printer :)
[21:15] <t3chguy> its how I test the USB/Serials I buy on eBay, just shove a Motherboard jumper onto them
[21:15] <t3chguy> mgottschlag: well I doubt 3v3 broke the printer :P
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[21:17] <t3chguy> those thermal printers aint that cheap
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[21:17] <t3chguy> can get a full-size desktop inkjet for that price :P
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[21:18] <Chillum> they are pricey. Cheaper from aliexpress though
[21:18] <t3chguy> Chillum: price on Ali?
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[21:19] <Chillum> t3chguy: you can get an inkjet printer for the cost of inkjet replacement cartridges
[21:20] <Chillum> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Embedded-thermal-printer-all-in-POS-driving-recorder-medical-equipment/32326166206.html <-- $24 after shipping. Smaller version: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/58mm-mini-thermal-receipt-printer-micro-embedded-thermal-printer/32571347184.html <-- $32
[21:20] <Chillum> cheaper than other places I have seen, but not that cheap
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[21:22] <Temper> so I have a jumper
[21:22] <Temper> and I opened 2 terminals..
[21:22] <Temper> tail -f /dev/ttyAMA0
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[21:22] <Temper> and echo "hello" > /dev/ttyAMA0
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[21:23] <t3chguy> Chillum: yep
[21:23] <t3chguy> and thats not bad
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[21:23] <t3chguy> might get one in the future
[21:23] <t3chguy> could be cool
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[21:24] <t3chguy> Temper: why not just install GNU Screen?
[21:24] <t3chguy> then you can see `screen /dev/ttyAMA0 BAUDRATEGOESHERE`
[21:24] <Temper> because I dunno what that is
[21:24] <Chillum> screen is a great tool
[21:24] <t3chguy> its just a program which is similar to tmux, a session multiplexer, but also has built in Serial shell functionality
[21:24] <t3chguy> Chillum: I only use it for Serial lol, I use tmux for what others use screen for
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[21:25] <Temper> ok so i installed and ran screen
[21:25] <Chillum> t3chguy: been using screen since '96
[21:26] <Temper> i type stuff and am guessing it should echo it?
[21:26] <t3chguy> Chillum: been alive since '97 xDxDxD
[21:26] <Chillum> first!
[21:26] <t3chguy> Temper: if you run `screen /dev/ttyAMA0 9600` then yeah (or any other baud rate)
[21:26] <t3chguy> otherwise it just runs your shell inside it
[21:26] <t3chguy> lol Chillum
[21:26] <Chillum> 19200 in your case
[21:26] <t3chguy> Chillum: for a loopback test any baud should be fine
[21:26] <Polymorphism> finally got NRF24l01 working
[21:26] <Chillum> of course
[21:27] <Chillum> Polymorphism: I was looking at them, they boast impressive range for so little power
[21:27] <t3chguy> LOL Chillum the image in the link you gave me has the printout with an Adafruit logo
[21:27] <t3chguy> Polymorphism: neat
[21:27] <Chillum> ya, they steal their images
[21:27] <t3chguy> I finally got around to wiring mine up to my Genuino101+Pro Mini combo
[21:27] <Temper> so half way down the screen it should echo right?
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[21:27] <Polymorphism> Chillum, yeah they are a very cool chip
[21:27] <Temper> how do you exit screen?
[21:28] <t3chguy> Temper: C^A k
[21:28] <t3chguy> then y
[21:28] <Chillum> ctrl-a k
[21:28] <t3chguy> ^
[21:28] <Chillum> oddly enough
[21:28] <Chillum> it was invented before sensible interfaces
[21:28] <t3chguy> lol
[21:28] <t3chguy> £17 for the thermal printer, not too bad
[21:28] <t3chguy> inc post
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[21:28] <Chillum> the small one's back is almost the same dimensions as a pi zero
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[21:29] <Chillum> makes for a very small computer/printer
[21:29] <t3chguy> thats pretty small
[21:29] <Temper> i didn't get anything back
[21:29] <Chillum> add a lipo and boost converter and you have a portable unit
[21:29] <t3chguy> Chillum: do they have two-colours are wikipedia seems to suggest (other than White BLANK)
[21:30] <t3chguy> s/are/as/
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[21:30] <Chillum> if you are not getting anything back then it could be your tx or rx. If the printer sent 5V over your pis RX then it could be fried on the pi
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[21:31] <Chillum> t3chguy: the casing can be white or black, as for printing it can either make a pixel black or leave it white. Not sure what you are asking
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[21:31] <mgottschlag> Temper: have you successfully used the serial port before?
[21:31] <t3chguy> Chillum: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_printing
[21:31] <mgottschlag> did you disable things like the terminal available on that port?
[21:31] <t3chguy> oh wait
[21:31] <t3chguy> Google misled me
[21:31] <t3chguy> Google preview showed this first "Two-colour direct thermal printers can print both black and an additional colour (often red)"
[21:32] <Chillum> It would need special paper at least. These don't do that
[21:32] <Chillum> at least the software does not support different amounts of heat for different pixels
[21:32] <Chillum> perhaps you could hack it
[21:32] <Temper> "while (true) do cat -A /dev/ttyAMA0 ; done" and then echo "this is a test." > /dev/ttyAMA0 works
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[21:32] <Temper> so I am thinking the port works
[21:32] <Chillum> ahh, then it is a software problem
[21:33] <Chillum> the cheapest type of problem to fix
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[21:33] <t3chguy> Chillum: USB Thermal printers are even cheaper on Ali
[21:34] <Chillum> I know, I just prefer the tty
[21:34] <Chillum> I do alot of microcontroller stuff
[21:34] <t3chguy> as do I
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[21:34] <t3chguy> I will possibly buy the one you linked (non-mini) eventually
[21:34] <Chillum> usb plugs are so bulky
[21:35] <Temper> it definately works
[21:35] <t3chguy> Chillum: is there any consumable apart from the paper?
[21:35] <Chillum> You can order just the insides too. You have to build you own paper support etc, but the feeder and print head and all the other stuff can be got seperately to fit inside of whatever you are making
[21:35] <sir_galahad_ad> o/
[21:35] <Chillum> t3chguy: just the paper
[21:35] <Chillum> and the paper is super cheap
[21:35] <Temper> what is a really fast buad?
[21:35] <t3chguy> yeah 99p a roll on eBay UK
[21:35] <t3chguy> Temper: I tend to jump for 115200 for fast and stable, though have used 2000000 before
[21:35] <Chillum> I got a pack of 12 rolls for $3.50
[21:35] <t3chguy> Chillum: neat
[21:36] <Chillum> only on the 3rd
[21:36] <t3chguy> Chillum: how much power does this thing use?
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[21:36] <Chillum> it pulls a fair amount of amps, never measured it but it can't be powered from the pi directly
[21:37] <t3chguy> LOL Chillum the pictures have a WiFi, Bluetooth and USB Logo on
[21:37] <Temper> well the data is correct at 115200
[21:38] <Chillum> oh boy, my wife is making coffee!
[21:38] <Chillum> my brain can wake up
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[21:40] <Temper> NNNOOOOO
[21:40] <sir_galahad_ad> \o/
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[22:02] <Temper> i am at a loss
[22:02] <Temper> i dunno what to try..
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[22:07] <mgottschlag> "<Temper> well the data is correct at 115200" <- you mean for the loopback connection? And with the printer you still only get garbled output?
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[22:13] <Temper> mgottschlag: that is correct
[22:13] <Temper> i got loopback correct at 10x the speed needed but the printer just outputs crap
[22:13] <Temper> maybe it has a language setting or something
[22:14] <Temper> still doesn't explain how i get blocks
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[22:17] <mgottschlag> Temper: do you have any link to the raw protocol documentation of the printer?
[22:17] <Temper> it's just a standard protocol
[22:17] <mgottschlag> you might get the printer to output something to check whether the printer receives correct data
[22:18] <mgottschlag> I mean, send something back over the serial connection
[22:18] <Temper> https://www.adafruit.com/datasheets/CSN-A2%20User%20Manual.pdf
[22:18] <Temper> i can't hook up the return because that is 5v
[22:18] <Temper> rpi2+ is 3.3v tty
[22:19] <mgottschlag> hm, and you don't have any resistors and a soldering iron/breadboard?
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[22:20] <Temper> i do.. but I doubt the printer has any debug mode
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[22:20] <Temper> it would be a lot of work on a hail marry
[22:20] <mgottschlag> there are status commands
[22:21] <mgottschlag> and in my experience, working with hardware *always* ends up like that
[22:22] <mgottschlag> and the problem is always only found after hours of debugging
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[22:23] <Temper> i c
[22:23] <Temper> but tthis thing is supposed to be pretty much plug and play..
[22:23] <Temper> the only thing I would want to try is hook it up to windows and use the config utility..
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[22:29] <Valduare> hi
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[22:32] <Valduare> hows everyone doing
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[22:39] <mistralol> good
[22:39] <mistralol> u?
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[22:42] <ThePendulum> quite alright, about to take a bath wondering what connectors to get
[22:42] <ThePendulum> brb
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[22:46] <mistralol> just working on my camera https://github.com/mistralol/camera
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[22:47] <mistralol> is there a usable c/c++ lib for the pi?
[22:48] <mgottschlag> a library for what? :)
[22:48] <Valduare> im doing good
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[22:48] <mistralol> for doing basic gpio stuff as it configure inputs and output and read / write pins
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[22:49] <mgottschlag> there is wiringPi, which is pretty much *the* canonical GPIO library for the pi :)
[22:49] <mgottschlag> hm, wrong word... still, that's what you want
[22:50] <mgottschlag> Valduare: hey, how did your electronics experiments go? did you manage to light up your LEDs? :)
[22:50] <Valduare> yep
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[22:50] <Valduare> :)
[22:52] <Valduare> mgottschlag: core-xy
[22:52] <Valduare> err
[22:53] <Valduare> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3y_YuqfOyIA
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[22:55] <mistralol> i really need suggestions for the web ui for a camera
[22:55] <mistralol> anyone have any?
[22:55] * mistralol sucks at choosing graphics
[22:55] <Valduare> use bootstrap
[22:56] <mistralol> will that work with asp.net? :D
[22:58] <Valduare> i dont know
[22:58] <mistralol> it need node ont he server side?
[22:59] <zvonimir> bootstrap is frontand afaik
[23:04] <mistralol> its been so long since i tried to make a webpage lol
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[23:07] <magnulu> hello - does anyone have any experience with running dhpos / cash register (http://keyhut.com/pos.htm) on rpix86?
[23:08] <Valduare> mgottschlag: what do you think? :P
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[23:09] <mgottschlag> Valduare: nice :)
[23:10] <mgottschlag> you should have mentioned that you need *NMOSFETs* though, PMOS won't be of any use :)
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[23:10] <Valduare> true
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[23:11] <Valduare> I need another person to look at stuff before I upload it heh
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[23:12] <Valduare> i ordered some parts to start working on a 3d printer
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[23:27] <AliAlmoullim> Hello
[23:27] <AliAlmoullim> I just changed my rpi config to boot into cli
[23:27] <AliAlmoullim> And now whenever i type something it always start with ^[
[23:28] <AliAlmoullim> for example asdf become ^[a^[s^[d^[f
[23:28] <AliAlmoullim> How can i fix that
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[23:29] <mistralol> AliAlmoullim: you have a stuck key
[23:29] <mistralol> like ctrl / alt
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[23:30] <AliAlmoullim> yeah i though about that in the begining but it worked fine before when in desktop
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[23:30] <AliAlmoullim> Even in termenal
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[23:30] <AliAlmoullim> And i can clearly see that no key is stuck
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[23:32] <ruurd> What do you see if you are using an event viewer?
[23:33] <AliAlmoullim> I just tested the keyboard in another laptop
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[23:33] <AliAlmoullim> When i hit the a it gives start the app menu
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[23:34] <AliAlmoullim> But alt a nor ctrl a does that
[23:34] <AliAlmoullim> Not even both of them
[23:35] <AliAlmoullim> Is it because of the keyboard mapping ?
[23:35] <AliAlmoullim> Its a wireless keyboard
[23:35] <AliAlmoullim> Its new
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[23:35] <AliAlmoullim> It worked yesterday
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[23:41] <AliAlmoullim> Whats an event viewer
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[23:53] <[Saint]> AliAlmoullim: a means to view system logs/events.
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[23:54] <AliAlmoullim> Again i tested the keyboard on a manjaro linux and it worked fine
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[23:55] <mistralol> AliAlmoullim: dunno
[23:55] <mistralol> AliAlmoullim: but i know you could the console into a "cooked" mode and see exactly what is being sent byt he keyboard without the mapping interfering
[23:55] <[Saint]> It sounds like the locale is set incorrectly in the system, and that this doesn't appear as a problem when launching a DE because the DE is managing locale at that stage.
[23:55] <AliAlmoullim> How is that
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[23:56] <mistralol> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooked_mode
[23:56] <mistralol> sorry i mean uncooked mode :)
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[23:56] <AliAlmoullim> And when i hit the nubmers on the top not on the side it turns into (arg: 223)
[23:56] <[Saint]> My bet would be on incorrectly set system locale/charset encoding.
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[23:56] <AliAlmoullim> Ok i can ssh into it
[23:57] <AliAlmoullim> How can i change the locale/charser
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