#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2016-03-15

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[17:07] * Set by gordonDrogon!~gordon@2001:4d48:ad51:8901::2 on Mon Mar 07 18:07:35 CET 2016
[17:08] <mgottschlag> rsync + delta backups ight
[17:08] <mgottschlag> might help a bit
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[17:08] <mgottschlag> but yes, a full backup will be slow
[17:08] <ldiamond> I'm using btrfs but I'm talking about full backups
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[17:14] <gordonDrogon> you only need to do a full backup once though.
[17:14] <Mia> where should I buy raspberry related hardware in eu
[17:14] <Mia> such as lcd's and shields
[17:14] <Mia> (online ordering)
[17:15] <gordonDrogon> Mia, pimorni.co.uk
[17:15] <mgottschlag> at least with btrfs, where silent data corruption can be prevented
[17:15] <mgottschlag> (@only one full backup)
[17:15] <Mia> gordonDrogon, didnt work
[17:15] <gordonDrogon> Mia, sorry - https://shop.pimoroni.com/
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[17:17] <ldiamond> gordonDrogon: not just once, but not too often, still I'd like my backups to take 5mins instead of 35mins (incremental)
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[17:18] <Mia> gordonDrogon, wow this is expensive
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[17:18] <gordonDrogon> ldiamond, Pi's not the device for you then.
[17:18] <ldiamond> Anyone have tried other pi alternatives that has usb3 and gbE? All I see is the odroid
[17:18] <gordonDrogon> Mia, is it? It's normal for me.
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[17:19] <traeak> odroid xu4 is the one with usb3 ports
[17:19] <Mia> yeah the screen I see for 12usd is 35 sterling on this website
[17:19] <Mia> but one is from china so yeah travel will be pretty long
[17:19] <gordonDrogon> Mia, buy from china, get no support. buy from a shop, get support and a guarantee that its been tested and known to work.
[17:19] <gordonDrogon> that's what you're paying form.
[17:20] <Mia> I'm from turkey, so supprot from any eu shop is pretty much a lie
[17:20] <Mia> to be honest I'd prefer to buy 5 times of what I got from china rather than paying it 5 times more from a eu shop
[17:20] <Mia> but only if chine shipped faster :(
[17:20] <TheSin> Bilby, okay i"m back, so the DC/DC converter I'm using is this one http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/cui-inc/VPOL5A-12-SIP/102-1289-ND/705081
[17:21] <gordonDrogon> Pimoroni are pretty good on support.
[17:21] <TheSin> I have a 12V 65W PS feeding it
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[17:21] <ldiamond> traeak: yep, that's the only alternative I've found (for a reasonable price). Anything else out there that is more "popular" or maybe rpi software compatible?
[17:21] <TheSin> just can not figure out why the LED is on, guess scoping is all I have at this point, ti's a pretty simple circuit hoenstly so I'm not sure there can be an issue there but I'd better check it to be 100% sure
[17:22] <traeak> ldiamond: the arm SOC situation sucks and sucks big time. live with it until someone wises up or intel decides to finally actually compete.
[17:22] <mgottschlag> ldiamond: there are ARM boards with SATA... but no idea whether they support >2TB hard disks
[17:23] <mgottschlag> and tere are boards with SATA and GBE with allwinner chips, probably just as expensive as the odroid though
[17:23] <mgottschlag> and with even worse software support
[17:23] <ldiamond> The odroid price isn't that bad tbh.
[17:23] <ldiamond> It's a bit high, but nothing like Minnowboard
[17:23] <mgottschlag> yeah, true
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[17:24] <binaryhermit> isn't the minnowboard intel?
[17:24] <traeak> intel is scared of cannibalizing its own sales...
[17:25] <binaryhermit> speaking of ARM, sata, GBE, and allwinner http://liliputing.com/2016/03/cubieboard-5-99-octa-core-dev-board.html
[17:26] <TheSin> the problem I have with odriod is support, they don't even have a 4.x kernel yet, the RPi community is so much stronger
[17:26] <Mia> my raspberry pi 3 box is a bit different than the one here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppbsaLZyF9E
[17:26] <Mia> it does not say "model b" -- it's a much mode minimal box
[17:26] <binaryhermit> There are two different manufacturers of Pis
[17:26] <Mia> oh, okay.
[17:26] <binaryhermit> three if you count the RPF itself making all the Zeros
[17:26] <binaryhermit> Zeroes?
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[17:29] <ldiamond> TheSin: yea that's why I don't wanna buy one. Their kernel is so old
[17:29] <Bilby> TheSin: oh it’s a prebuilt board? yeah it should be fine
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[17:30] <TheSin> Bilby, yeah just a trim to set the output volts so it's not a major circuit at all
[17:31] <TheSin> and my first revision I just had the trim wrong so I was seeing 4.68v which would make the red led falsh under S load
[17:31] <Bilby> I can’t recall if you said, have you tried this with a regular power supply?
[17:31] <TheSin> so I changed to get closer to 5v under load
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[17:31] <TheSin> yeah, I have with a USB B powersupply it's fine
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[17:32] <TheSin> I'm going to double check right now though to be safe
[17:32] <Lachezar> Hey all. I have some electrical problems with my R-Pi. It is connected to a TV using HDMI and USB (to the TV), but it seems the LAN cable has different 'zero' and havoc insues. What can I do to mitigate this?
[17:33] <Lachezar> s/insues/ensues/
[17:33] <ldiamond> traeak: You say the arm SOC situation sucks, you mean that they don't come with decent features like gbe and usb3 and that for example, the pi has to pass its ethernet data through usb bus?
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[17:34] <TheSin> Bilby, yup np if I use the micro USB power port on the Pi, red light on frimware init, then just flashing green for booting
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[17:34] <Bilby> Weeeeird
[17:34] <TheSin> but this is weird, I get teh rainbow on the display, hmm
[17:34] <traeak> ldiamond: pick either support or good SBC package, you can't have both
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[17:34] <Bilby> Hmmmm any way to test with a known good PSU powering via the GPIO pins?
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[17:35] <traeak> ldiamond: if you problem fits in the rpi then you're fine otherwise....the odroid should be more than fine if you don't need any video
[17:35] <TheSin> I might have to make one, I don't have many 5v supplies around, mostly 12v and 48v for cisco stuff
[17:35] <Bilby> Gotcha
[17:35] <TheSin> but I'll see what I can find around here
[17:35] <TheSin> on I could just use the usb able and cut one
[17:35] <TheSin> one sec I'll get one figured out here
[17:36] <Bilby> that’s the only thing i can think of… or cut your power cord so you can try running the 5A-12-SIP through the micro usb
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[17:39] <TheSin> Bilby, that is a good idea I'll try that way too
[17:39] <TheSin> thanks for the brain storming
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[17:40] <Bilby> :)
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[17:50] <ShanShen> Anybody got a recommended IRC client to run on a Pi A+ ?
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[17:55] <zemanel> @ShanShen irssi maybe ?
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[17:55] <JuJuBee> Anyone here use pinet in classroom?
[17:56] <ShanShen> Thanks, zemanel!
[17:56] <JuJuBee> I am looking for way to install software that is not listed in the "Install Additional Software" area
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[17:59] <zemanel> @ShanShen but irssi is a LCI client, if youre looking for a GUI one, not sure whats hip these days
[17:59] <zemanel> *CLI
[18:00] <zemanel> *CLI
[18:00] * zemanel meant CLI
[18:00] <binaryhermit> Hexchat, perhaps?
[18:00] <binaryhermit> Some people still use mIRC
[18:00] <binaryhermit> but that's Windows-only and expensive
[18:02] <dark0ne> I Would recommend irssi though
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[18:02] <dark0ne> I have a general question. About something I've never done but may need to do
[18:03] <dark0ne> Does anyone know or can point me to a way to write to SPI flash? To a special address in SPI flash more specifically
[18:03] <ShanShen> Thanks for the suggestions. I kinda want to try a CLI. :)
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[18:11] <Apocx> I love Quassel myself
[18:11] <Apocx> partly because I can use it anywhere and partly because it acts as a bouncher
[18:11] <Apocx> bouncer*
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[18:19] <ldiamond> traeak: I need video, it's a htpc primarily
[18:20] <ldiamond> I'm even looking at Intel NUC (180$) but after adding RAM, it's 200$, it's noisy, much higher power consumption.
[18:21] <leftyfb> ShanShen: weechat
[18:21] <mgottschlag> not really that much more compared to an odroid, those can reach more than 10W as well, and the USB hard disk uses extra power
[18:22] <mgottschlag> I don't know the prices you'd get for celeron n3150 or n3050 based mini itx boards, but those could be an option as well
[18:22] <ldiamond> ShanShen: I'm on weechat currently
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[18:23] <mgottschlag> (especially, those could be built completely fanless)
[18:23] <mgottschlag> also, Intel GPUs just have much better software support for HTPC usage than the PowerVR GPU found in the Odroid
[18:23] <ldiamond> mgottschlag: yea the nice thing about going with an intel board is that I can just install regular ArchLinux and have latest kernel and all
[18:24] <ldiamond> But I wish there was good support for arm soc devices
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[18:24] <ldiamond> Hopefully soon...
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[18:25] <mgottschlag> ldiamond: btw... you don't look at PMs, do you? :p
[18:27] <ldiamond> mgottschlag: nah I was eating lunch
[18:28] <ldiamond> mgottschlag: and I'm not used to getting PMs, not sure how they show up in weechat
[18:29] <leftyfb> ldamman: ALT+A will switch to the newest active window including pm's
[18:29] <leftyfb> ldiamond: ^
[18:29] <ldiamond> The problem with an intel mini itx board w/ a celeron is that the cases are usually pretty bad and always have a fan.
[18:29] <leftyfb> ldiamond: ALT+P and +N will flip between all windows in order
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[18:29] <ldiamond> leftyfb: yea I know how to reach it, just not sure what the notification looks like
[18:29] <ldiamond> leftyfb: I use ctrl+n/p
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[18:30] <leftyfb> sorry, I meant CTRL, not ALT :)
[18:30] <leftyfb> anyone else have a piday party yesterday?
[18:30] <dark0ne> I take it nobody has experience with SPI flash writing? Which is ok, I would just like to learn
[18:31] <ldiamond> I've done that on a pic before, but I have no idea how I did it.
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[18:31] <ldiamond> I was on a windows machine too, ahh those old days when I was stupid and used windows.
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[18:32] <mgottschlag> dark0ne: well, the only thing I know is that you can only write 0s, so you have to erase the whole block before.
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[18:35] <dark0ne> ok, thanks. I will stay on the hunt
[18:35] <leftyfb> https://twitter.com/LowellMakes/status/709763838355316737
[18:35] <traeak> ldiamond: http://www.ebay.com/itm/ASUS-Chromebox-CN60-Intel-Celeron-1-4GHz-4GB-16GB-SSD-Chrome-OS-Qty-/152015530921
[18:35] <traeak> this will do what you want
[18:35] <traeak> ldiamond: i think
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[18:36] <traeak> yup there' a fan but probably nota big deal
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[18:40] <BurtyB> dark0ne, I'd start with the spec/datasheet of whatever you're trying to write to
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[18:42] <pksato> dark0ne: I think, have a kernel module to access SPI memories.
[18:43] <ldiamond> Wow: http://beagleboard.org/x15 239$ MSRP
[18:43] <ldiamond> Seems a bit expensive no?
[18:43] <traeak> but you get a dual core armv7 with it
[18:44] <Apocx> once you start hitting the $200 mark, I feel like it's just as easy to buy a small microATX mobo
[18:45] <traeak> usb3 is kind of cpu heavy as well isn'ti t? so there's soem risk that the cpus might saturate
[18:45] <pksato> 2 gibi ethernet, usb3, esata, etc...
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[18:46] <traeak> an intel based chromebox with upgradeable ram and m.2 slot gives you the best bang for PC/HTPC use
[18:46] <traeak> least amount of headaches too i would think
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[18:53] <at0m> and least amount of flexibility.
[18:53] <at0m> let google pick the software for you?
[18:54] <traeak> uhh
[18:54] <at0m> "but you can pick from their store"
[18:54] <at0m> uhh
[18:54] <traeak> that model of chromebox is very trivia to install linux
[18:54] <traeak> easier than many uefi encumbered BS laptopts out there
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[18:55] <binaryhermit> Mia: did your pi3 box look like https://www.instagram.com/p/BC-5j2giziv/ ?
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[18:57] <traeak> 4 screws out, either its a jumpre or screw removal, and go to town with a non uefi system
[18:57] <mfa298> dark0ne: I want to look at SPI eeproms for a project which may well work in a similar way to your SPI flash, You'll need to enable the SPI driver first (there's an option in raspi-config) then it should be fairly easy to do, I've used SPI with other devices on the pi from C & python before now and plan to do so from ruby at some point.
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[18:58] <mfa298> the datasheet is likely to be a very useful resource as it'll tell you the format of the SPI commands you need to read/write
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[19:05] <ldiamond> traeak: Chromebox seems nice, but there's nowhere I can buy it (new), the CN62 just seems impossible to buy.
[19:05] <traeak> you not in the US? that's the same as the m004U , the m106u is the same but sold new as a bundle
[19:06] <ldiamond> I'm in Canada, I guess it's just because they made a mess of the model numbers
[19:06] <traeak> for that price i might even buy one just to replace my huge athlon2 x4 system
[19:06] <Mia> binary01, yes, without the "model b" part
[19:06] <Mia> just raspberry pi 3
[19:07] <traeak> granted its not as cool as one of these arm computers and takes more power but...
[19:07] <ldiamond> traeak: actually the m004U is the CN60, based on broadwell
[19:07] <ldiamond> err I mean haswell
[19:07] <ldiamond> the CN62 is based on broadwell
[19:07] <traeak> yeah 2955u
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[19:10] <ldiamond> yea it's neat but 270$ CAD :(
[19:12] <traeak> hehe expensive, 99usd on fleabay, otherwise new its not worth it
[19:12] <ldiamond> yea for 150CAD I'd probably buy one
[19:13] <devster31> is the new rpi3 enough for a torrent client?
[19:13] <ldiamond> shouldn't have any problem with it
[19:13] <ldiamond> same for rpi2 and even 1
[19:13] <leftyfb> Dev0n_: enough what?
[19:13] <ldiamond> depends on what exactly your bottleneck is
[19:13] <Dev0n_> specs?
[19:14] <Dev0n_> enough resources to run the client?
[19:14] <ldiamond> if you have a 1GBPS internet connection and you can download at that speed, rpi3 won't do.
[19:14] <devster31> ldiamond: bottleneck?
[19:14] <leftyfb> devster31: yes, an rpi3 will run a torrent client
[19:14] <Dev0n_> I/O might be an issue depending on how many torrents
[19:14] <ldiamond> all rpi will run a torrent client
[19:15] <devster31> nono, my internet is below 7 megabit, so that isn't the bottleneck, I was more worried about the number of files, ye, I/O
[19:15] <H4ndy> Im running Deluge on the Pi 2 without issues
[19:15] <devster31> is there a clever way to test how many torrents it can handle?
[19:15] <H4ndy> I have 173 running
[19:16] <H4ndy> Its using a NTFS USB drive, I get about 5 MByte/s out of it
[19:16] <ldiamond> the rpi3 won't have any problem running several torrents at once.
[19:16] <ldiamond> H4ndy: ntfs? WHY?
[19:16] <traeak> hehe
[19:17] <H4ndy> because I want to copy stuff to my Windows machine afterwards
[19:17] <devster31> ok, but can I test it somehow or do I just try and see what happens?
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[19:17] <H4ndy> exFat got currupted after every reboot
[19:17] <leftyfb> devster31: just try it
[19:17] <ldiamond> well, isn't trying and seeing what happens the same as testing it?
[19:17] <traeak> ext2 ?
[19:17] <ldiamond> H4ndy: ext4, btrfs?
[19:18] <H4ndy> I want something I can plug into Windows without running extra programs
[19:18] <ldiamond> Windows? WHY?
[19:18] <devster31> because everyone uses Windows
[19:18] <H4ndy> If you are not able for a constructive argument just STFU
[19:18] <leftyfb> devster31: everyone does not use Windows
[19:18] <ldiamond> Someone's butthurt.
[19:18] <devster31> fair enough, a huge amount of people use it
[19:19] <H4ndy> I laid down my reasoning why I am using NTFS over some linux native and until theres no better solution I will stick to it
[19:19] <MY123> Windows supports btrfs
[19:20] <devster31> that's something useful I didn't know
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[19:21] <leftyfb> H4ndy: if you just put the pi on the same network as your computer, the local filesystem of the pi is irrelevant
[19:21] <ldiamond> NTFS is some windows native fs, proprietary, closed. BTRFS (and other) are not "linux native" they are open filesystems supported by multiple operating systems
[19:21] <H4ndy> yes, but the transfer speed is just too low for large files
[19:21] <MY123> devster31: it's an open-source third-party driver though, with support for Windows XP and later
[19:21] <H4ndy> most stuff I do just over SFTP
[19:21] <MY123> (just a kernel driver, without fluff)
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[19:23] <devster31> MY123: that's a very good information, I don't like zfs and btrfs seems to hit all the right spots, if it supports windows it's another advantage
[19:24] <H4ndy> you need to boot Windows in Test-Mode tho
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[19:24] <H4ndy> otherwise it does not load the driver since its selfsigned
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[19:24] <ldiamond> Thanks Micro$oft!
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[19:25] <MY123> H4ndy: if you have your own certificate, you can sign it yourself :)
[19:25] <ldiamond> I decided I'm not providing any PC support to any of my relative unless their OS is Linux.
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[19:25] <MY123> ldiamond: Windows 10 with CI is what you want
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[19:26] <ldiamond> MY123: with CI?
[19:26] <H4ndy> unfortunately I am not in the possession of a suitable certificate ;)
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[19:26] <MY123> ldiamond: CI == Code Integrity
[19:26] <MY123> ldiamond: basically, everything not signed doesn't run
[19:26] <MY123> so those random exes can't do stuff
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[19:27] <ldiamond> Nah, I'm just installing linux on their machines and installing chrome. That's really all they need.
[19:27] <H4ndy> meh, fresh raspbian works but after updating everything the display gets a blackscreen .___.
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[19:27] <gordonDrogon> ldiamond, until they buy a camera that comes with windows software/viewing stuff and they don't understand )-:
[19:28] <ldiamond> gordonDrogon: by camera you mean webcam or handheld camera?
[19:28] <gordonDrogon> either/or.
[19:28] <devster31> or until someone sends them a Word document, or an Excel file, or a PowerPoint Presentation
[19:28] <ldiamond> Cause those will usually just work as you plug them in
[19:28] <MY123> gordonDrogon: and most of that software isn't signed anyway
[19:28] <ldiamond> You just send them to google docs / openoffice / libreoffice
[19:28] <MY123> devster31: CI totally disables macros
[19:28] <MY123> :)
[19:28] <gordonDrogon> MY123, that's a different issue - not really relevant for supporting elderly relatives.
[19:29] <gordonDrogon> I decided to stop supporting all my relatives... and when my wife moved to Mac, I stopped supprting her computing needs too.
[19:29] <devster31> ye, none of which is even remotely close to Microsoft Office, I'm not happy but the free software just isn't up to the original Microsoft suite
[19:29] <ldiamond> It's not true that you NEED microsoft office, or any microsoft product.
[19:29] <myke> devster31: depends on your use case
[19:29] <gordonDrogon> my relatives can pay for support from someone who knows better than me.
[19:29] <ldiamond> gordonDrogon: yea damn Macs, it's a real software jail.
[19:29] <MY123> Windows RT uses CI, that's why it's so secure(and so despised, as the CI level was not set to Signed but Microsoft signed)
[19:30] <myke> i manage an office full of windows desktops that have OO instead of MS Office
[19:30] <myke> and it's fine
[19:30] <gordonDrogon> Macs work - for people who just want something to work.
[19:30] <MY123> MS did something overkill
[19:30] <ldiamond> myke: even google docs works really well.
[19:30] <ldiamond> gordonDrogon: yea, then they want to do something that apple doesn't want them to do and they're screwed
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[19:30] <H4ndy> sooo
[19:30] <gordonDrogon> ldiamond, fortunately my wife hasn't run into that yet.
[19:30] <myke> the only thing i've run into with openoffice is that the excel nonlinear solver is much better than the one for OO calc
[19:31] <H4ndy> when you're so good with linux, how do I get my desktop back?
[19:31] <myke> but that's used basically never for business
[19:31] <H4ndy> I only get a blinking cursor now
[19:31] <ldiamond> myke: Google spreadsheet lets you write javascript code, so you can do even fancier stuff
[19:31] <ldiamond> well you could do it in VBA, but you'd shoot yourself halfway thorugh
[19:31] <leftyfb> devster31: you can run Office online just fine on linux. Also, all those office suites mentioned can open the documents sent to your relatives just fine
[19:32] <ldiamond> yea there's that too, though it's not free (iirc)
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[19:32] <Triscy> Hi!
[19:32] <ldiamond> Linux will take over the world within 10 years! :p
[19:32] <ldiamond> (it actually already has, people just don't know)
[19:32] <Triscy> Can anyone help me set up my Raspberry Pi? I just want to get an installation of Pidora or something set up, then set up a chat bot for my Twitch channel.
[19:33] <leftyfb> it works for me in chrome without paying anything
[19:33] <Triscy> I'm having issues throughout the process.
[19:33] <ShanShen> HexChat runs OK on the A+?
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[19:33] <myke> ldiamond: depends on if you consider Android a linux or not (to me it clearly is but some ppl don't get the gnu vs linux thing)
[19:33] <swift110> hello all
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[19:33] <ldiamond> Triscy: wow they really named it pidora....
[19:33] <gordonDrogon> Triscy, pidora is not as well supported as Raspbian...
[19:34] <leftyfb> Triscy: why pidora over raspbian?
[19:34] <Triscy> "or something"
[19:34] <swift110> Ok, I have a Raspberry Pi Zero and I wish to use ssh in order to use an android tablet as a monitor for it. Would I need a wireless dongle?
[19:34] <Triscy> I have no preference; my previous install was pidora
[19:34] <Triscy> But I just need to get this set up and in a way where I know how to run and maintain it myself.
[19:34] <traeak> ldiamond: i will install chromeos on most people's boxes unless they have some non standard requirements
[19:34] <leftyfb> sweatsuit: you need to get the pi zero on the network. Or setup a usb-->seria adapter and console into it
[19:35] <traeak> ldiamond: you want no maintenance that's pretty much the gold standard IMHO
[19:35] <ldiamond> myke: to me, if it runs GNU/Linux, it's a linux machine, so Android is gnu/linux too
[19:35] <Triscy> The entire goal is to get my Raspberry Pi 2 set up to run a chat bot for my Twitch channel. http://www.quorrabot.com/pages/about/
[19:35] <leftyfb> Triscy: ok, so install aspbian
[19:35] <leftyfb> Triscy: ok, so install raspbian
[19:35] <traeak> i don't think android runs with the GNU userspace of bash/grep/etc.
[19:35] <ldiamond> traeak: but what's the device support for chromeos?
[19:35] <traeak> that's the tradntional gnu/linux...the gnu part is the userspace tools
[19:36] <Triscy> leftyfb: The problem is actually installing anything is being a hassle for me. It's not as easy as tell me to do that; I'm primarily a Windows user and even though I installed Ubuntu on my laptop to help with the process I still don't know how to do it properly.
[19:36] <Enthralled> what's the bet distro to use?
[19:36] <traeak> ldiamond: whatever is compiled into the gentoo kernel at the time
[19:36] <leftyfb> Triscy: https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/installation/installing-images/README.md
[19:36] <ldiamond> traeak: I'm pretty sure you have those things on android
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[19:36] <leftyfb> Enthralled: Raspbian is the most supported
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[19:36] <H4ndy> hmm
[19:37] <traeak> ldiamond: on android? i doubt it and you can't use them anyways
[19:37] <H4ndy> the desktop crashed because the sd card is full
[19:37] <H4ndy> why are there no size checks?
[19:37] <MY123> And Office runs on Linux
[19:37] <MY123> :)
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[19:37] <traeak> so android is more like linux/google
[19:37] <Triscy> leftyfb: Should I grab lite if my plan is to run headless?
[19:37] <Enthralled> mhm
[19:37] <MY123> (not Wine)
[19:37] <leftyfb> Triscy: sure
[19:37] <traeak> gnu/linux being more of a 90's type thing where command line *was* userspace
[19:37] <ldiamond> traeak: might be busybox, but yea I can use them, I have a terminal on my phone and I can adb to it
[19:38] <myke> ldiamond: android isn't gnu tho, it's android/linux
[19:38] <myke> ldiamond: ever check out debian/kfreebsd? that's a debian distro that's not linux
[19:39] <MY123> or FreeBSD/Linux
[19:39] <MY123> by the way
[19:39] <myke> haha really
[19:39] <myke> well guess it can go both ways
[19:39] <MY123> it goes both ways :)
[19:40] <traeak> these are the gnu packages: http://www.gnu.org/software/ busybox makes your system less gnu
[19:40] <MY123> and I would argue that Android is Bionic/Linux
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[19:40] <traeak> just a technicality
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[19:40] <traeak> and there's musl/linux as well
[19:41] <MY123> http://www.gnu.org/software/gnudos/
[19:41] <traeak> duhhforgot that glibc is probably the biggest gnu-izer
[19:42] <MY123> yep
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[19:43] <MY123> http://www.gnu.org/software/gneuralnetwork/
[19:43] <MY123> GNU does everything nowadays :P
[19:44] <traeak> if linux finally does compile with clang then its totally possible to a gnu-less linux
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[19:45] <H__> bsd is aiming for that
[19:45] <ldiamond> it's already possible to have a gnuless linux
[19:46] <H4ndy> New try with fresh raspbian image, this time without forgetting to increase filesystem size...
[19:46] <ldiamond> or maybe I don't know what I'm talking about
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[19:47] <Triscy> Raspbian's doing 1st time startup. Yay!
[19:47] <ShanShen> Yay! :)
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[19:47] <myke> ldiamond: i don't think the kernel compiles with clang yet, talked to someone about that yday
[19:47] <ShanShen> I took pics the first time my Pi booted. :)
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[19:48] <Triscy> I've botted it before, ShanShen
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[19:48] <Triscy> I'm upgrading to a newer Pi and using Raspbian for the first time.
[19:48] <ldiamond> myke: but compiling linux with gcc doesn't make the target GNU though
[19:48] <Triscy> Okay, so I've mainly been doing connections to my Pi via putty and WinSCP. For that I need the IP for the Pi. How would I go about getting the IP properly?
[19:48] <myke> ldiamond: ok but to me for it to really count it has to be self-hosting
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[19:48] <myke> otherwise you still need gnu tooling for any future kernel changes
[19:48] <ldiamond> I see
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[19:49] <Triscy> Is there a default username/password for Raspbian when you first boot it up?
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[19:49] <H4ndy> Triscy: user "pi", password "raspberry"
[19:49] <Triscy> Thanks
[19:49] <H4ndy> then you can use sudo for root without password
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[19:50] <Triscy> Any way to change username and PW, H4ndy?
[19:50] <H4ndy> you can add a new one and delete the "pi" user
[19:51] <H4ndy> or change the password of the pi user
[19:51] <myke> you may not want to delete the pi user
[19:51] <myke> it will break one of the config tools
[19:51] <Triscy> How would I change the PW then?
[19:51] <ldiamond> Triscy: just normal linux commands like passwd
[19:51] <H4ndy> if absolutely needed you can enable direct root login but thats not recommended
[19:51] <TheLostAdmin> I suggest you don't delete the "pi" user. many of the samples on the system expect to be run as the "pi" user.
[19:51] <H4ndy> just run "passwd"
[19:51] <Triscy> ldiamond: I'm primarily a Windows user, so I don't necessarily know "normal linux commands", but thanks.
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[19:52] <impure_hate> Hi all! If anyone is instersted in Fedora for ARMv6 RaspberryPi check https://pignus.computer/ - we now have pretty usable images
[19:52] <swift110> Ok, I have a Raspberry Pi Zero and I wish to use ssh in order to use an android tablet as a monitor for it. Would I need a wireless dongle?
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[19:53] <Triscy> H4ndy: How would I get the IP for the device so I can set it up with my SSH login/etc.?
[19:53] <ldiamond> swift110: well you need network access...
[19:54] <swift110> ldiamond: ok, that does make sense
[19:54] <impure_hate> you can use virtual network via USB OTG
[19:54] <H4ndy> Triscy: run "ifconfig eth0" it will show you its current IP
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[19:54] <H4ndy> or your router should show you all connected devices as well
[19:54] <ldiamond> raspbian still uses ifconfig?
[19:54] <ldiamond> no 'ip addr' ?
[19:54] <impure_hate> ifconfig is obsolete
[19:55] <swift110> Problem is that I already am unable to use both keyboard and mouse at the same time
[19:55] <impure_hate> but still available
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[19:55] <H4ndy> dunno, I learned ifconfig back then so I use that
[19:56] <H4ndy> wow does ip addr output look ugly
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[19:57] <Triscy> I'm getting access denied on SSH entry attempt.
[19:57] <Triscy> PW is correct
[19:57] <leftyfb> Triscy: sudo raspi-config
[19:58] <leftyfb> Triscy: use that to make sure ssh is enabled
[19:58] <leftyfb> Triscy: if raspi-config isn't installed (not sure with raspbian lite), then run: sudo apt-get install ssh
[19:58] <leftyfb> Triscy: the above last command assumes you have network/internet connectivity
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[19:59] <Triscy> leftyfb: Got it! Gonna attempt again now
[19:59] <unitypunk> Hey guys, i just saw the pi 3 came out.
[20:00] <ziddey> lol
[20:00] <swift110> hmm
[20:00] <Enthralled> dammit, the chinese are exploiting the situation of lack of pi3 cases
[20:00] <unitypunk> Finger finger.. Lol
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[20:01] <Enthralled> official pi2 case is $6.5 and for pi3 it's $15
[20:01] <unitypunk> But my question is, will the pi3 handle flash better?
[20:01] <Triscy> leftyfb: Enabled it, but still getting access denied.
[20:01] <ziddey> please don't be racist
[20:01] <TheLostAdmin> I wasn't aware there was any difference in the port positions between the Pi2 and Pi3. I thought the pi3 fit fine in existing Pi2 cases. Am I wrong?
[20:01] <Triscy> leftyfb: Updating it to latest version, then gonna try again
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[20:02] <ziddey> TheLostAdmin, leds
[20:02] <H4ndy> Ports are the same, one the LED status lights moved
[20:02] <Enthralled> yeah
[20:02] <ziddey> my rpi3 needs +2 to be stable at stock speeds
[20:02] <Enthralled> the LEDs are on the other corner
[20:02] <TheLostAdmin> Ah. My case is clear, so that wouldn't matter (although I'm not ordering a Pi 3 for a while yet.
[20:03] <Triscy> leftyfb: Yea; still getting access denied. Updated, then reconfirmed that I enabled SSH.
[20:03] <leftyfb> Triscy: tail -f /var/log/auth.log
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[20:03] <leftyfb> look at that while you try logging in
[20:03] <leftyfb> Triscy: also, what user are you using to login?
[20:04] <swift110> so what would be a good ssh app for an android tablet to use to ssh to my raspberry pi zwero?
[20:04] <Triscy> leftyfb: pi
[20:04] <Triscy> Failed password for pi.
[20:04] <Triscy> ssh2 at the end
[20:04] <ziddey> personal preference. lotta people use juice
[20:05] <leftyfb> Triscy: how do you know the password is right?
[20:05] <Triscy> leftyfb: I changed it
[20:05] <Triscy> And have logged in directly on the pi a few times
[20:05] <leftyfb> Triscy: try raspberry
[20:05] <Triscy> Did
[20:05] <Triscy> Still Access denied
[20:05] <leftyfb> oh, you logged in locally, right
[20:05] <Triscy> Yea
[20:06] <leftyfb> Triscy: sudo grep pi /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[20:06] <leftyfb> does that return anything?
[20:06] <Triscy> Nope. Nothing pops up in console.
[20:06] <swift110> ziddey: are you talking to me?
[20:07] <swift110> I realize there are other people on here asking questions so it would help to adress me directly so I know whether or not someone is answering me or not
[20:07] <Triscy> leftyfb: Nothing pops up in console from that command.
[20:08] <leftyfb> Triscy: sudo passwd pi
[20:08] <leftyfb> try changing the password with that
[20:08] <Triscy> leftyfb: Still access denied. Said it was updated successfully though.
[20:09] <unitypunk> Sooo.. PI3, armv8, flash? Anyone know how well it plays?
[20:09] <traeak> you have zero access to any of the arm8 features with rpi3
[20:09] <traeak> so at the moment its a total non issue
[20:10] <H4ndy> general per-core performance is a bit better tho
[20:10] <Enthralled> unitypunk: adobe flash?
[20:10] <dedgecumbe> swift110: Termux, apt install ssh
[20:10] <unitypunk> Yeah
[20:10] <dedgecumbe> swift110: termux is available on the f-droid store and possibly on google play. i'm not sure.
[20:11] <Enthralled> hmm, for games? or videos? altho, who uses flv anymore?
[20:11] <myke> never heard of termux, the usual choices are juicessh and connectbot
[20:11] <dedgecumbe> myke: termux is infinitely superior
[20:11] <unitypunk> I have this fucking old website I like to use. Its a video chat
[20:11] <binaryhermit> flash isn't available for ARM, other than Chrome OS, and ancient Android
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[20:11] <leftyfb> Triscy: maybe try the regular non-lite version of raspbian. Not sure why it's not working for you
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[20:11] <dedgecumbe> myke: termux is quite close to a full linux chroot
[20:11] <binaryhermit> like, it stopped working with 4.1 or 4.2 IIRC
[20:11] <dedgecumbe> myke: it has standard openssh
[20:11] <Enthralled> oh
[20:12] <dedgecumbe> myke: I very much recommend you try if it you haven't yet, it made android bearable for me :)
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[20:12] <unitypunk> Binaryhermit, I can use the page on my Samsung tablet with puffin just fine
[20:12] <Triscy> leftyfb: Alright.
[20:12] <Triscy> leftyfb: I'll install non-lite.
[20:12] <unitypunk> Any other browser asks for flash 11 install
[20:13] * dedgecumbe is chatting over an ssh session on termux atm :P
[20:13] <CoJaBo> ..pwoplw still use flash?
[20:13] <myke> dedgecumbe: looking at it now
[20:13] <unitypunk> Just me, and a few others in the chat lol
[20:14] <swift110> dedgecumbe: I will check turmux
[20:14] <unitypunk> The admins just won't fucking upgrade to html5 for the room because "if it ain't broke don't fix it"
[20:14] <H4ndy> Triscy: make sure the first thing you run is the raspi-config and expand the file system
[20:14] <dedgecumbe> swift110: termux makes the question of 'what is a good android X' irrelevant because it's just linux :P
[20:15] <Triscy> H4ndy: After I log in, you mean?
[20:15] <H4ndy> yes
[20:15] <swift110> I appreciate that dedgecumbe I am really frustrated because everytime I turn around I need something else to do basic stuff
[20:15] <Triscy> Okay
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[20:16] <swift110> Just the same I still have the issue of needing a usb cable that will power my pi and allow me to use keyboard, mouse and wireless dongle at the same time.
[20:16] <dedgecumbe> swift110: not necessarily
[20:16] <swift110> what do you mean dedgecumbe
[20:16] <dedgecumbe> swift110: to be honest it just sounds as if you have a collection of random locked down devices
[20:17] <unitypunk> Needs more power
[20:17] <dedgecumbe> swift110: you can put the sd card for the pi in your laptop, edit config so it autoconnects to wifi
[20:17] <dedgecumbe> then all the pi needs is the wireless dongle, no kb/m
[20:17] <dedgecumbe> then you can ssh in
[20:17] <dedgecumbe> going underground, afk for some time
[20:17] <swift110> ok
[20:18] <unitypunk> Flash is the bane of the internet who's fucking plan was that anyway...
[20:18] <swift110> Thats very helpful but at the same time when I am home I want to actually be able to use my Zero to play videos and a few games.
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[20:19] <unitypunk> Swift, most would use ssh to do both ;)
[20:19] <swift110> hmm, not a bad idea actually
[20:20] <swift110> I am new to the concept of ssh
[20:20] <myke> unitypunk: it's from a more naive time when running java applets off web pages seemed to be the future
[20:20] <swift110> it seems to solve most if not all of my issues
[20:20] <swift110> So do I need the internet to be able to ssh?
[20:21] <unitypunk> Well, some kind of network connection
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[20:21] <swift110> I dont have internet at home. And tethering is a no go either I have already been down that road many times
[20:21] <H4ndy> swift110: no, just wifi or LAN access to your Pi
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[20:23] <swift110> H4ndy: ok lan access I can do. But I have never done it before
[20:23] <Triscy> H4ndy: So run raspi-config and expand file system. Is that under advanced, or...?
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[20:23] <swift110> would make my life a lot easier. I have plenty of computer equipment but dont know how to use it a lot of times
[20:24] <H4ndy> Triscy: not sure, its somewhere in there ;)
[20:24] <H4ndy> first option
[20:24] <H4ndy> "1 Expand File System"
[20:24] <swift110> I am likely also trying to do a bit much for the pi zero I am starting to realize. What I want to do would be so much easier with a Pi 3
[20:24] <Triscy> H4ndy: Thanks
[20:25] <H4ndy> Triscy: under Boot Options you can chose to boot to a console only (headless)
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[20:25] <H4ndy> Triscy: in this case you can also set the memory split to 16M
[20:25] <H4ndy> to have maximum RAM for your bot
[20:26] <Triscy> H4ndy: Good to know
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[20:27] <H4ndy> Man that Raspi display is really nice
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[20:34] <Bilby> the official one? yeah it is
[20:36] <H4ndy> could use a bit more resolution (unfortunately its not able to do more), but its really nice that everything works so neat over a single connector
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[20:39] <Bilby> and pleasantly low power consumption as well
[20:40] <SpeedEvil> I wish that (perhaps for a fee like the mpeg codec) they'd just make the DSI/CSI port open.
[20:41] <SpeedEvil> There are so many other cameras and displays suited to different niches out there.
[20:42] <Triscy> leftyfb and H4ndy: Still giving me access denied on the non-lite version. Made sure to enable SSH server again.
[20:42] <H4ndy> are you 100% sure that you use the right password?
[20:42] <Triscy> Yes
[20:42] <Triscy> 100%
[20:42] <H4ndy> rapsbian is using the UK keyboard layout
[20:43] <H4ndy> so you might have switched up something maybe
[20:43] <Triscy> Is UK same as US?
[20:43] <H4ndy> dunno
[20:43] <H4ndy> try setting a really simple password with only basic letters
[20:43] <dedgecumbe> UK layout is different
[20:43] <H4ndy> like "rpitestpassword"
[20:44] <H4ndy> then you can switch that over SSH to your final one
[20:44] <dedgecumbe> # (shift+3) is the sterling sign on a UK keyboard for example
[20:44] <H4ndy> meh, cant get WiFi to work
[20:44] <leftyfb> Triscy: how are you ssh'ing to it? With what ssh client?
[20:45] <Triscy> leftyfb: putty
[20:45] <leftyfb> Triscy: screenshot your settings for putty
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[20:46] <leftyfb> H4ndy: pi3?
[20:46] <H4ndy> yeah
[20:46] <Triscy> http://i.imgur.com/xRjRLKr.png
[20:46] <leftyfb> H4ndy: does ifconfig show wlan0?
[20:46] <leftyfb> Triscy: how about the login? You're typing pi as the user?
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[20:46] <H4ndy> I got it to list the WiFi networks but did not accept my PSK. Then I added it manually to the wpa_supplements.conf and now nothing works
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[20:47] <Triscy> leftyfb: Yes
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[20:47] <leftyfb> Triscy: shut the pi down and try to ssh again (seriously)
[20:47] <leftyfb> H4ndy: network={
[20:47] <leftyfb> ssid="YOURSSID"
[20:47] <leftyfb> psk="YOURPASSWORD"
[20:47] <leftyfb> key_mgmt=WPA-PSK
[20:47] <leftyfb> }
[20:47] <leftyfb> H4ndy: add that to the end of your wpa*.conf
[20:47] <Triscy> leftyfb: Just pull the power cable? Is there a safe shutdown command?
[20:48] <leftyfb> Triscy: shutdown
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[20:48] <H4ndy> shutdown -hP
[20:48] <H4ndy> to actually turn it "off"
[20:48] <Triscy> It's scheduling it?
[20:48] <leftyfb> H4ndy: shutdown works fine , though it does wait a minute
[20:48] <leftyfb> H4ndy: sudo shutdown -h now
[20:49] <leftyfb> Triscy: sudo poweroff
[20:49] <leftyfb> any of those will work
[20:49] <Triscy> leftyfb: Alright
[20:49] <Triscy> shut down
[20:49] <H4ndy> good to know, "back then" this would just halt the OS but keep the RPi powered
[20:49] <Triscy> After shut down, just replug I gather?
[20:49] <H4ndy> Triscy: correct
[20:50] <leftyfb> Triscy: power it off completely, then try to ssh with putty
[20:50] <Triscy> H4ndy leftyfb: Still access denied on ssh
[20:50] <leftyfb> Triscy: is the pi off?
[20:50] <Triscy> leftyfb: Alright
[20:51] <Triscy> leftyfb: Didn't see you said to do while off
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[20:52] <Triscy> http://i.imgur.com/MzNu0TF.png
[20:52] <Triscy> What I get when it's turned off and try to get on with putty.
[20:52] <Triscy> It connects and lets me attempt to enter username and password when it's on, it just gives me "access denied"
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[20:52] <H4ndy> leftyfb: can I force it to reload the Wifi config without rebooting?
[20:52] <leftyfb> ok, so we're not getting a dupe ip on some other machine. Power it back on and on the pi type: ssh pi@localhost
[20:53] <leftyfb> H4ndy: sudo service networking restart
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[20:53] <Triscy> @ comes out looking like "
[20:54] <Triscy> Is it possible to change it to US config?
[20:54] <leftyfb> bing
[20:54] <leftyfb> bingo
[20:54] <leftyfb> yes
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[20:54] <leftyfb> edit /etc/defaut/keyboard
[20:54] <leftyfb> Triscy: change gb to us
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[20:57] <Triscy> How the hell do I accept changes and exit Vim?
[20:57] <SpeedEvil> esc ZZ
[20:57] <leftyfb> Triscy: ESC :wq
[20:57] <Triscy> How do I undo all changes?
[20:57] <Triscy> leftyfb:
[20:58] <leftyfb> Triscy: hit u
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[21:00] <Triscy> leftyfb: How do I actually tell it I want to type/edit?
[21:00] <TheLostAdmin> Triscy, you may prefer to use the nano editor instead of vim in the future. nano is a bit easier to use (it displays the commands at the bottom)
[21:00] <leftyfb> Triscy: i
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[21:01] <H4ndy> leftyfb: wpa_supplicant does not support my Wifi password, its too long .__.
[21:01] <leftyfb> H4ndy: sorry to hear that
[21:01] <Triscy> leftyfb: How do I save?
[21:01] <H4ndy> it expects 0-63 chars, but mine is 64 (max length for WPA2)
[21:01] <Triscy> 'cus ^s just does scroll lock
[21:02] <b1ack1323> Triscy: <Esc> :qw
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[21:02] <b1ack1323> Triscy: w means write and q means quit in vim
[21:02] <mlelstv> wpa key is 8-63 ascii characters
[21:02] <gordonDrogon> ZZ is quicker.
[21:02] <mlelstv> and actually it's a 256bit number
[21:03] <Triscy> Changed it to us
[21:03] <Triscy> # gives me the British Pound symbol
[21:03] <Triscy> :/
[21:03] <gordonDrogon> �
[21:03] <leftyfb> Triscy: reboot
[21:03] <gordonDrogon> sudo raspi-config
[21:03] <b1ack1323> Triscy: Reads file on boot
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[21:04] <Triscy> Thanks
[21:04] <Valduare> muahaha http://www.instructables.com/contest/raspberrypi2016/ mine is first in the ist (last entry into the contest)
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[21:04] <leftyfb> gordonDrogon: that takes way too long to change 2 letters in a config
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[21:05] <Triscy> Yep
[21:05] <Triscy> It was the keyword
[21:05] <gordonDrogon> leftyfb, depends how adept you are...
[21:05] <H4ndy> leftyfb: problem found
[21:05] <Triscy> Can SSH in properly now. Thanks leftyfb and H4ndy
[21:05] <gordonDrogon> easier than learning vi...
[21:06] <H4ndy> So it was indeed some keyboard layout upfuckery? sorry :D
[21:06] <leftyfb> Valduare: how to solder a header onto a pi zero?
[21:06] <gordonDrogon> Rules: https://goo.gl/h5qPhz
[21:06] <TheLostAdmin> Triscy: you are sure to find nano an easier choice than vim. Also alt 3 (instead of shift 3) should give you the # symbol instead of the � sybmol.
[21:06] <Valduare> with a breadboard
[21:06] <H4ndy> leftyfb: if anyone else has the problem with the 64 chars: "precomputed hex PSK must not be quoted" is the solution
[21:06] <gordonDrogon> H4ndy, keep it family friendly. please
[21:06] <Valduare> leftyfb: the key is the breadboard :P keeps it straight so you dont end up with wonky gpio pins
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[21:07] <leftyfb> Valduare: I prefer to use helping hands to properly solder headers and components when necessary
[21:07] <H4ndy> leftyfb: this problem requires manual editing of the wpa_supplicant file since the UI will just quote it.
[21:08] <leftyfb> Valduare: once issue I can see with the breadboard is heating up the plastic around the pins and/or the material on the bottom of the breadboard, possibly damaging the breadboard
[21:08] <leftyfb> H4ndy: I never use the UI anyway
[21:08] <H4ndy> yeah well it was worth a try ;)
[21:09] <Valduare> its a possibility but you dont need to apply a ton of heat to solder these pins
[21:09] <H4ndy> but still a silly issue, that it does not accept hex keys with quotes
[21:09] <leftyfb> H4ndy: quotes are for ascii
[21:10] <Triscy> leftyfb or H4ndy: How would I set up a script that will automatically run a .sh launch script on startup, so that this can just launch my bot whenever it boots up?
[21:10] <H4ndy> yeah but how will john doe do it then, its a bit unfriendly when not even the GUI can properly recognize it
[21:10] <leftyfb> Triscy: put in /etc/rc.local
[21:10] <H4ndy> Triscy: or quick and dirty with a @reboot cron
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[21:10] <Triscy> leftyfb: Put the entire bot including scripts and such? Or the .sh file?
[21:11] <leftyfb> Triscy: rc.local is a file you edit. You call the script you want to run in it
[21:11] <Triscy> Oh cool.
[21:12] <Triscy> Put it where in this file?
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[21:12] <Triscy> leftyfb: After if statement before "exit 0"?
[21:12] <leftyfb> Triscy: before the exit 0
[21:13] <leftyfb> Triscy: you know there's TONS of posts and articles on things like this right?
[21:13] <Triscy> leftyfb: Just the absolute path for the .sh file?
[21:13] <leftyfb> Triscy: yes
[21:13] <Triscy> leftyfb: Sorry if I'm being a bother; I just prefer having a helping hand so I do this right the first time, but I'll try and look up some stuff on my own.
[21:14] <leftyfb> Triscy: you won't learn anything if someone just tells you what to type all the time :)
[21:15] <leftyfb> Triscy: mistakes are a good thing .... especially with a pi where catastrophic mistakes are just an sd card image fix away
[21:17] <H4ndy> OK, RPi3 working, Display working, WiFi working. Enough for a day
[21:17] <leftyfb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8KD7vwPfM8
[21:18] <H4ndy> the PiDrive kickstarter needs to finally get their stuff out, thats the last thing I will need
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[21:18] <H4ndy> leftyfb: nice, but I have a Oak for that kind of playground :D
[21:18] <leftyfb> Oak?
[21:19] <H4ndy> leftyfb: it's basically a WiFi enabled Arduino: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/digistump/oak-by-digistump-wi-fi-for-all-things-arduino-comp/description
[21:19] <b1ack1323> Triscy: search the rpi subbreddits on reddit, you will gain a lot from that, and additionally, lookup stuff about linux in general. You need a good understanding of linux before you decide to start making pi stuff.
[21:19] <ParadoxCTRL> man, I like writing docs with markdown, it feels fast and simple. What I don't like though, is that I basically end up with two docs, the MD file and the HTML file. Feels redundant.
[21:20] <leftyfb> H4ndy: it's WAY easier to flip beween animations and modes on a pi then an arduino ... and making changes
[21:20] <H4ndy> ParadoxCTRL: there is a cool markdown JS module where the html basically renders itself
[21:20] <Triscy> black1323: I'm not trying to make pi stuff, that's the thing. If I wind up looking more into Linux it'll be down the line, but for now my entire goal is to get this chatroom bot set up and understand the basics of how to maintain.
[21:21] <H4ndy> leftyfb: right, but I like to get into microcontroller stuff :)
[21:21] <b1ack1323> Triscy: Gotcha
[21:21] <leftyfb> H4ndy: the back of that board does have 2 fadecandy's on it :)
[21:21] <leftyfb> H4ndy: i'm also working on a pi+huzzah project at the moment
[21:21] <ParadoxCTRL> In a perfect world, the web browser should just open the md file and render it some how.
[21:22] <H4ndy> well a browser only does markup, not markdown ;)
[21:22] <Triscy> black1323: My Linux friend helped me set up everything initally, but since then I've wanted to move to a different bot and that friend has become unavailable due to moving like 1.5 hours away and getting a job at Red Hat.
[21:22] <Triscy> So...
[21:22] <Triscy> Yea
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[21:30] <swift110> wow
[21:30] <swift110> hey Triscy how are you
[21:30] <Triscy> Yo swift110. Doing good; got it running now.
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[21:33] <Triscy> Thanks leftyfb and H4ndy for all the help. Everything's up and running!
[21:34] <Triscy> Seeya everyone.
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[21:36] <swift110> good triscy
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[21:42] <Valduare> any news on raspberry pi zero availability
[21:42] <phil42> it would be good news if adafruit would ship mine
[21:43] <hyarion> Valduare: http://whereismypizero.com/
[21:43] <phil42> adafruit had a batch recently
[21:43] <hyarion> in stock @ adafruit atm
[21:43] <hyarion> well.. .the budget pack is
[21:44] <hyarion> for $29.95
[21:44] <SpeedEvil> I wonder if it's intended as a subsidy to vendors.
[21:45] <swift110> lol
[21:45] <SpeedEvil> we will give you Pi Zeros at a rate that you can still sell them with a pack of crap that people may not want at inflated sums
[21:45] <phil42> shipping on my 1 ounce pi zero was $9.51
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[21:47] <SpeedEvil> That's another issue - it's not unreasonable for stores to not ahve free or cheap shipping setup.
[21:48] <SpeedEvil> You could by 5 zeros say.
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[21:51] <Valduare> 20 bucks for pi zeros on ebay
[21:51] <Valduare> buy it now
[21:52] <Valduare> cheaper than adafruit :P
[21:53] <phil42> probably quicker shipping
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[21:54] <Valduare> I have one zero and one pi3
[21:54] <Valduare> but having trouble actually using them for a task :P
[21:54] <Valduare> rather keep these on desk for tinkering
[21:54] <phil42> i am using my pi3 for an irc client box
[21:55] <phil42> so if you hack me through my irc client you are hacking my pi3
[21:55] <wpo> Valduare: make a toaster that snapchats your toast as it pops out
[21:55] * Dark-Show hacks phil42's pi3 and uses it as a hash bot
[21:56] <myke> i've been using my rpi2 as my desktop exclusively for a week
[21:56] <myke> the web is pretty brutal on it
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[21:56] <Valduare> pi 3 feels pretty competent
[21:57] <myke> got a 3 on order, gonna try that as a desktop
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[21:58] <Valduare> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Au256t7TUoI
[21:58] <Valduare> I added a HUGE heatsink to my pi3
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[21:58] <shiroininja> Has anyone gotten rasbmc working on a zero?
[21:59] <shiroininja> aka osmc
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[21:59] <Valduare> I have an sd card with kodi that works on the pi zero flawlessly
[21:59] <leftyfb> shiroininja: yes
[22:00] <shiroininja> leftyfb: which image do I need? I'm guessing just the latest image should work right?
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[22:00] <leftyfb> shiftplusone: I used the latest image at the time which was back in Nov I think
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[22:27] <Valduare> anyone have suggestion on videos i should shoot?
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[22:29] <warpie> yeah, do the one on how to solder header on pi zero...
[22:29] <leftyfb> lol
[22:30] <Valduare> lol
[22:30] <Valduare> I also did one the same for 1602 LCD :P
[22:32] <warpie> well, how about one on how to order a pi and what to include in the order so most ppl don't come up short on what they need to get one up and running with out issues?
[22:33] <leftyfb> Valduare: do you care about duplicating tutorials that have already been done? Because that is pretty limiting.
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[22:34] <Valduare> I dont think there is really such thing as duplicating tutorials, everyone has a different presentation method and if a viewer perferes a certain channel over another they’d like to get as much of their tutorial content from the one source as possible etc
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[22:44] <warpie> right I agree...
[22:45] <Valduare> got a handfull of photointerrupters out of this copy machine
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[22:46] <Valduare> going to see about getting them working with the pi for fun tonight
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[22:57] <warpie> ooooo
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[23:02] <justalurker_sam> Hi. What is the best "touch sensor" (dont know real name) for the raspberry?
[23:02] <justalurker_sam> Something that I can connect to something like a freaking banana
[23:03] <Valduare> might be easier to connect to a regular bananna :P
[23:03] <justalurker_sam> :-p
[23:04] <gordonDrogon> justalurker_sam, makey makey is the adafruit stuff ... they have a Pi version now I think.
[23:04] <justalurker_sam> https://www.adafruit.com/products/2340
[23:04] <justalurker_sam> this?
[23:04] <SpeedEvil> http://www.analog.com/en/products/analog-to-digital-converters/integrated-special-purpose-converters/capacitive-to-digital-and-touch-screen-controllers/ad7152.html
[23:05] <gordonDrogon> justalurker_sam, yes, that looks like it.
[23:05] <SpeedEvil> Analog has many of these chips, some with many channels
[23:05] <gordonDrogon> I did a capacitive touch thing way back - that's resistive.
[23:05] <justalurker_sam> what do you mean gordon?
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[23:06] <gordonDrogon> just that. I did a capacitive touch project on the Pi once. it would need work to make it more usable though.
[23:06] <justalurker_sam> eh, im using it for an art project
[23:06] <justalurker_sam> it doesnt really have to work well
[23:06] <justalurker_sam> just work.
[23:07] <SpeedEvil> justalurker_sam: if you're OK with making PCBs, the analog stuff is great - just hook it over I2C
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[23:07] <justalurker_sam> im going to be completetly honest
[23:07] <justalurker_sam> didnt understand half of what u said
[23:07] <gordonDrogon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0lyxdvDuVY
[23:07] <gordonDrogon> watch that..
[23:07] <SpeedEvil> then ignore my comments - it's not suitable
[23:08] <justalurker_sam> thats ur video gordon?
[23:08] <gordonDrogon> yes
[23:08] <justalurker_sam> and how did u make that?
[23:08] <gordonDrogon> well ...
[23:09] <gordonDrogon> it's mostly clever software.
[23:09] <justalurker_sam> not noobie-friendly I guess?
[23:09] <gordonDrogon> the wires on the breadboard are connected to the Pi's gpio pins and when you touch then the capacitance alters the inputs, so you can read them then do something based on it.
[23:10] <gordonDrogon> not exactly...
[23:10] <justalurker_sam> ok, well I will continue my search, thanks all
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[23:11] <gordonDrogon> the makey makey stuff needs you to hold a wire in one hand (arm/leg) then touch the things with the other.
[23:12] <gordonDrogon> you might also want to look at the pimoroni drum kit for the Pi - it's essentially touch switches and you can then read them in programs and do what you like.
[23:12] <gordonDrogon> https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/drum-hat
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[23:14] <justalurker_sam> thanks :]
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[23:16] <tepidtoaster> hi, has anyone run into this error message saying roughly that "inittab file was not found", which prevents booting
[23:17] <tepidtoaster> I'm running jessie
[23:19] <tepidtoaster> any suggestions will be gratefully received
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[23:20] <Gadgetoid> Drum HAT <3
[23:20] <Gadgetoid> *hugs* gordonDrogon
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[23:24] <gordonDrogon> down boy ...
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[23:25] <gordonDrogon> must get that interfaced to my BASIC interpreter.
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[23:25] <Gadgetoid> :D
[23:25] <gordonDrogon> although I don't have a good drum/noise generator in it yet.
[23:25] <gordonDrogon> I can amplitude modulate white noise though.
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[23:25] <Gadgetoid> WiringPi worked nicely with PHP to make a 4 line page that displays messages to Scroll pHAT :D
[23:25] <gordonDrogon> ah, excellent.
[23:26] <Valduare> hmm gordonDrogon hows it going
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[23:26] <gordonDrogon> it goes ok. the bread rises.
[23:26] <gordonDrogon> I got a new toy too!
[23:26] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/IMG_20160308_175739.jpg
[23:26] <Valduare> ohh fun
[23:26] <gordonDrogon> the thing with the crank handles ...
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[23:27] <Valduare> I need to startup a new sourdough starter
[23:27] <Valduare> get back into breadmaking
[23:27] <gordonDrogon> been making lots of pastry with it this week - have some croissant dough in the fridge tonight to make some croissants with it tomorrow.
[23:27] <Valduare> I have a kitchenaid 600 pro mixer
[23:28] <gordonDrogon> that's a hobart 200 down on the left in that piccie... it's older than me. so is the pastry sheeter I reckon.
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[23:30] <Gadgetoid> Give me enough fresh cinnamon swirls and I'll be a pastry sheeter
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[23:33] <gordonDrogon> it's a hole-in-bucket scenario though. To get a cinnamon swirl, you need laminated dough. to get laminated dough, you need to - well, roll out dough... you can't roll out the dough without the cinnamon swirl, so ...
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[23:34] <gordonDrogon> I could disguise a chelsea bun as a cinnamon swirl though..
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[23:35] <gordonDrogon> https://youtu.be/G-lEhFftNT0?t=429
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[23:35] <SpeedEvil> http://i.imgur.com/HVqToXL.jpg - on the topic of disguises
[23:35] <SpeedEvil> and baked goods
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[23:36] <gordonDrogon> actually, go back to 3:00 in that video.
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[23:37] <gordonDrogon> http://zap2it.com/2016/03/dog-or-food-meme-more-entertaining-challenging-than-dress/
[23:37] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[23:45] <binaryhermit> I love how NOOBS doesn't seem to support the RPi3's built-in wifi yet
[23:46] <binaryhermit> which makes it a glorified raspbian installer, and the lite version useless
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[23:47] <t3chguy> Isn't it a glorified installer anyway...?
[23:47] <binaryhermit> but for multiple OSes
[23:47] <binaryhermit> when it only works for one, it's pointless
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[23:47] <warpie> worked great for me on my pi B-3
[23:48] <DWKnight> do your initial install with a wired connection maybe?
[23:48] <warpie> yes, I did
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[23:49] <warpie> after the update, upgrade, and update again, the wifi kicked in...
[23:50] <warpie> look how long it's been up...
[23:50] <abnormal> Sysinfo for 'raspberrypi': Running against KDE 4.14.2 on Raspbian GNU/Linux 8 (jessie) powered by Linux 4.1.18-v7+, CPU: ARMv7 Processor rev 4 (v7l) at 1200 MHz, RAM: 651/925 MB, Storage: 3/27 GB, 129 procs, 58.46h up
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[23:51] <warpie> so, you see it is been 58 hrs up
[23:51] <warpie> on its own wifi
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[23:52] <swift110> hnmm
[23:52] <warpie> the one here is the pi zero
[23:53] <abnormal> this one is the pi B-3
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[23:54] <warpie> I've owned pi's for almost 4 yrs now.
[23:54] <zgreg> meh, these stability issues keep getting worse
[23:54] <zgreg> I finally thought some overvolting would fix it, but no
[23:55] <binaryhermit> actually, to be fair, wifi worked out of the box in raspbian
[23:55] <binaryhermit> after a lengthy scan for APs
[23:55] <binaryhermit> but NOOBS didn't even see the wifi... card?
[23:56] <warpie> no, it won't
[23:56] <warpie> only the respository has the drivers
[23:56] <Valduare> hmm anyone have experience with photo interrupters?
[23:57] <warpie> not me... I work with vaccuum interrupters, tho...
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[23:58] * kanzie (~kanzie@ Quit (Quit: kanzie)

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