#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2016-03-16

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[0:00] <dark0ne> mfa298 - tnx for the answer some time ago. I have no experience writing to SPI flash and looking for an "in" on how to start doing this
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[0:04] <Mia> Hey all -- I'm trying to find a way to see the desktop remotely, to my raspberry
[0:04] <Mia> I'm aware of the vncserver, but that does not show the desktop being used
[0:05] <Mia> How can I make a remote connection to the raspberrypi's desktop (from ssk/commandline/whatever) so that the connected desktop gets effected by the physical keyboard and mouse that's connected to my raspberry
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[0:08] <Enthralled> hmmm, does popcorntime work on rpi?
[0:09] <Mia> Enthralled, popcorntime was closed?
[0:10] <Enthralled> it's reopened Mia
[0:10] <Mia> oh, didn2t know!
[0:10] <Enthralled> now it's .sh
[0:11] <Mia> How do I have a remote conenction to what I see on hdmi, etc
[0:11] <Mia> to the "main session" or whatever it's called technically
[0:11] <Mia> I want to have a remote conenction to that
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[0:14] <at0m> Mia: apt show x11vnc
[0:14] <Mia> at0m, checking!
[0:15] <Mia> at0m, what if there is no existing session
[0:15] <Mia> I simply want to control the remote session with physical hardware
[0:15] <Mia> (mouse should be controlled using the mouse on rpi)
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[0:17] <at0m> like same mouse and keyboard on both _physical_ screens? synergy.
[0:17] <Mia> at0m, well what do you mean
[0:17] <Mia> I mean I will be remote-ing to a session on raspberry
[0:18] <Mia> and I want that remote session mouse/keyboard controlled by the physical keyboard and mouse connected to the raspberry
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[0:18] <at0m> with synergy you can use a mouse, keyboard on either machine but they need to provide their own hw display
[0:18] <at0m> and your mouse can slide to the other screen
[0:19] <Mia> hmm
[0:19] <Mia> not sure if that's what I want
[0:20] <at0m> "there is no existing session" or "want that remote session mouse/keyboard controlled by"? do you know what you want?
[0:21] <at0m> explain your use case :)
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[0:24] <raidensnake> my pi 3 won't boot
[0:25] <warpie> aww, sorry
[0:25] <at0m> don't have one so couldn't tell first hand :/
[0:25] <raidensnake> there's no usable kernel for it
[0:25] <jaggzt> my rpi is still on wheezy
[0:25] <warpie> what have you done to make it non bootable?
[0:26] <jaggzt> this past week it had been crashing repeatedly.. even with cold boots.. problem went away when I power cycled the usb power adaptor too!
[0:27] <raidensnake> nothing all I've tried doing is use every known image and none of them will boot
[0:27] <warpie> try Noobs
[0:27] <raidensnake> tried that as well
[0:27] <raidensnake> wouldn't even start
[0:28] <raidensnake> all I get on all of them is a rainbow every time
[0:28] <valesi> need more power
[0:28] <raidensnake> it's running 3.2A
[0:28] <swift110> does anyone have ubuntu-mate on a pi?
[0:28] <raidensnake> I do on my pi 2
[0:28] <valesi> used to
[0:28] <raidensnake> but my pi 3 can't boot it
[0:28] <valesi> got a multimeter to check pi's voltage?
[0:29] <raidensnake> yes 5.19V
[0:29] <valesi> weird
[0:30] <raidensnake> it's the kernel
[0:30] <raidensnake> there isn't a pi 3 kernel for it
[0:30] <valesi> hm?
[0:30] <raidensnake> the chips are different
[0:30] <at0m> on raspbian, raspi-config > advanced > A0 update
[0:31] <valesi> are you saying there's no pi3 kernel for ubuntu?
[0:31] <at0m> but you need to run that with the card in the rpi2, iiuc.
[0:31] <raidensnake> there's no pi 3 kernel period
[0:31] <at0m> so nobody's running rpi3's.
[0:31] <at0m> hmm.
[0:31] <raidensnake> some are
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[0:31] <mfa298> dark0ne: you can probably find some spi examples for your language of choice, you then just need to send the right set of bytes for your device (which the datasheet should provide information about)
[0:32] <raidensnake> but they custom compiled the kernel
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[0:34] <B0g4r7> 5.19V at one moment doesn't mean 5.19V every millisecond.
[0:35] <raidensnake> it stays above 5 constantly
[0:35] <B0g4r7> You don't think it could drop to 0V for a few milliseconds occasionally?
[0:36] <raidensnake> it didn't when it tried to boot
[0:36] <valesi> some PSUs drop voltage when more current is suddenly pulled
[0:37] <valesi> but I imagine a rpi2 works with this PSU?
[0:37] <raidensnake> it's not the power as it's 5v 3.2A
[0:38] <valesi> that makes no claims for quality
[0:38] <B0g4r7> Can you take that same sd card and boot a pi 2 with it?
[0:39] <warpie> at0m: I am using a pi B-3
[0:40] <Mia> there was a nice app for console sessions
[0:40] <Mia> I would like to ssh to the console session that I see on my hdmi
[0:40] <valesi> x11vnc
[0:40] <Mia> valesi, it's for desktop
[0:40] <SpeedEvil> Mia: screen?
[0:40] <Mia> I want to ssh to the console session
[0:40] <valesi> console as in gui or term?
[0:40] <Mia> YES screen
[0:40] <Mia> thanks!
[0:40] <Mia> SpeedEvil,
[0:40] <Mia> :)
[0:41] <SpeedEvil> tmux also
[0:41] <B0g4r7> raidensnake, can you take that same sd card that won't boot on your pi 3, and boot a pi 2 with it?
[0:42] <raidensnake> it boots the pi 2 just fine
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[0:42] <B0g4r7> raidensnake, cool. Boot it on a pi 2, install all the updates it has available, then take it back to the pi 3 and see if it will boot.
[0:43] <raidensnake> already tried that
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[0:43] <raidensnake> didn't work
[0:43] <B0g4r7> Doh.
[0:43] <raidensnake> the kernel doesn't boot at all
[0:43] <raidensnake> on ther pi 3
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[0:46] <Mia> which files are eecuted at boot with rpi ?
[0:46] <Mia> rc.local is one of them I assume, but what else
[0:46] <warpie> raidensnake: image a new SD card with Noobs from the pi site only. then let it boot to noobs, and choose raspbian.
[0:47] <B0g4r7> Mia, that would depend on the distro.
[0:48] <Mia> raspbian
[0:48] <Mia> B0g4r7,
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[0:50] <B0g4r7> Mia, I'd guess the usual debiany things get executed at startup. /etc/rc.* would be a prime place to look.
[0:50] <B0g4r7> or /etc/rc* even
[0:52] <Mia> B0g4r7, hmm there were a few files
[0:52] <Mia> I was playing with them before but now I can't seem to find them
[0:53] <mfa298> Mia: if it's raspbian jessie it's using systemd so look at what systemd does (wheezy was sysvinit based unless you installed something else)
[0:54] <Mia> OH that might be it
[0:54] <Mia> systemd yes
[0:54] <raidensnake> that's the problem I did try to boot it but it didn't work
[0:54] <warpie> what PSU are you using?
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[0:55] <warpie> and what SD card are you using?
[0:56] <Mia> mfa298, well is there any way to find out wht executes something on startup
[0:56] <Mia> there is a screen session being executed at startup but I don't know what triggers it
[0:56] <valesi> you mean an X session?
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[0:56] <Mia> yes valesi
[0:57] <mfa298> systemctl might give you something
[0:57] <valesi> I believe raspi-config will let you disable that auto startup
[0:58] <raidensnake> I've tried a Kingston 4GB class 4, Samsung 8GB class 4, Samsung 64GB Class 10 & a Sandisk 128GB Class 10
[0:58] <mfa298> if it's the graphical interface you want to turn off then as valesi says using raspi-config is probably easiest
[0:59] <Mia> valesi, no well I mean, there is something I set up in my old raspverrypi, that starts after auto login
[0:59] <Mia> I'm trying to find how I set it up before
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[0:59] <valesi> init.d file? cron?
[0:59] <Mia> now I'm palying with raspberry 3 and I want to setup a simialr system, I forgot how I did it
[0:59] <Mia> I checked rc.local it's not there
[0:59] <Mia> and not in cron
[0:59] <Mia> and not in init.d
[0:59] <Mia> so should be somewehre else
[0:59] <valesi> crontab?
[0:59] <Mia> (for a reason I don't know yet)
[0:59] <warpie> raidensnake: use the 8gb one and put noobs on it from the pi site.
[0:59] <Mia> no not there either
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[1:01] <mfa298> Mia: go you know what the command is that's being run, you could always `grep -rni command /etc /var /lib/systemd` which should search the likely places
[1:01] <jazzpi> ssh
[1:01] <jazzpi> vim .sskn
[1:02] <jazzpi> jjkVjjjx:x
[1:02] <jazzpi> vim .sskn
[1:02] <B0g4r7> Mia, there's a way you can ask ps to report PPID (parent process id) and see what started a given process.
[1:02] <jazzpi> yes
[1:02] <jazzpi> Dash,Os4
[1:02] <jazzpi> ls
[1:02] <jazzpi> wtf sorry
[1:02] <jazzpi> that was no what i intended to do
[1:03] <Mia> haha
[1:03] <B0g4r7> Mia, try 'ps fax' and see if it will show you what started the process in question.
[1:03] <mfa298> if it's started by systemd then you might also find something useful from its cgroup `cat /proc/PID/cgroup`
[1:03] <jazzpi> accidentally broadcast my keystrokes to every tab -.-
[1:04] <Mia> ok B0g4r7 this is amazing!
[1:04] <Mia> yes I see what started the process
[1:04] <Mia> it's /bin/login
[1:05] <Mia> B0g4r7, oh wait I'm a total linux noob
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[1:05] <Mia> bin/login is not a settings file
[1:05] <grummund> Hi, this might be a mad question but is it safe to uninstall package libraspberrypi-bin?
[1:06] <B0g4r7> It's a binary that's apparently running a process on your system now.
[1:06] <B0g4r7> And for some reason it spawned the process you're looking at.
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[1:07] <B0g4r7> apparently
[1:07] * grummund tends to uninstall rather than upgrade
[1:07] <mfa298> /bin/login is used to provide an interactive login so would seem unlikely to be used for starting something at bootup
[1:09] <Mia> oh looks like its /home/.cashrc file
[1:09] <Mia> .bashrc I mean
[1:09] <valesi> huh, you stuck a startup command in the bash rc?
[1:10] <grummund> the rpi is being used 'headless' as a mail server, and that package appears to be related to video
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[1:11] <mfa298> that seems like an odd way to do a startup command (won't necessarily get run on startup, but could get run for every login to that user)
[1:11] <B0g4r7> So that'd get executed whenever bash gets started interactively (locally or via ssh), rather than at boot time.
[1:11] <valesi> `dpkg-query -L libraspberrypi-bin` will list the files it installs
[1:12] <B0g4r7> And continue to execute each time.
[1:12] <valesi> it does looks like it's mostly video stuff, and some others
[1:12] <leftyfb> HA!
[1:12] <leftyfb> got openHAB setup running on my pi3 controlling a neopixel strip connected to a huzzah board
[1:13] <B0g4r7> rc.local would be a much better place to put something meant to execute at boot time.
[1:13] <leftyfb> h4ndy: ^
[1:14] <mfa298> for a jessie based system writing a systemd comfig file might be better, but rc.local or crons @reboot are quick and dirty solutions that work
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[1:16] <leftyfb> I would write a check script that utilizes a PID file and runs in a cron periodically to make sure the process is running if not, it starts itself back up
[1:16] <leftyfb> depending on what you're doing
[1:17] <mfa298> leftyfb: systemd (and upstart) can do that all for you in easy and safe way.
[1:17] <leftyfb> mfa298: if the process dies, what checks if the process is running?
[1:17] <grummund> valesi: yep i checked that. it's just the package name makes it sound platform critical
[1:18] * grummund long time debian, but rpi noob.
[1:18] <mfa298> leftyfb: systemd and upstart can monitor the processes they start and restart them if they fail (usually in a configurable way)
[1:18] <valesi> right, to me it looks like you can remove it for a headless server
[1:20] <grummund> hdmi is used but pure.y to monitor the boot
[1:20] <leftyfb> mfa298: I wasn't aware upstart could do that
[1:22] <mfa298> leftyfb: it's one of the features of upstart and systemd (which is now the preferred in most distros)
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[2:05] <warpie> this is sweet...
[2:05] <warpie> lookit this....
[2:05] <warpie> Sysinfo for 'raspberrypi': Running against KDE 4.14.2 on Raspbian GNU/Linux 8 (jessie) powered by Linux 4.1.19+, CPU: ARMv6-compatible processor rev 7 (v6l) at 1000 MHz, RAM: 346/434 MB, Storage: 3/6 GB, 89 procs, 3.78h up
[2:06] <warpie> this is my pi zero
[2:07] <warpie> and so tiny...
[2:07] <raidensnake> I want to try and boot arm64-bit debian on mine
[2:07] <warpie> good luck
[2:07] <valesi> best of luck
[2:07] <valesi> ha
[2:07] <warpie> lol
[2:08] <raidensnake> wanna know something? I managed to to a clean install of armhf from debians repo
[2:08] <warpie> on the pi 3 but not on the zero
[2:08] <raidensnake> on my pi 2
[2:08] <warpie> congrats
[2:09] <raidensnake> and it was a clean netboot install
[2:09] <raidensnake> using debians own installer
[2:09] <warpie> sweet
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[2:12] <raidensnake> and yes even the sid branch installs
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[2:16] <warpie> nice.. kee p at it and you'll be a programmer...
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[2:23] <Ispira> I wonder how easy it'd be for me to make one of these myself http://www.derekspearedesigns.com/black-max-ii.html
[2:23] <Ispira> and how much cheaper it'd be
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[2:28] <Ispira> I mean, I know it's easy to just make a panel like that but I have no idea about getting it to show up as a controller on PC so it'll work in games
[2:28] <warpie> well...
[2:28] <warpie> considering the parts, it'll
[2:29] <warpie> still be expensive
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[2:29] <warpie> so, it's probably eaisier and funds wise to get the one you posted
[2:30] <warpie> unless you already have the parts.
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[2:35] <Valduare> someone needs to add an asteroids style game to the default python games heh
[2:36] <warpie> well you can do it and become a programmer, Valduare
[2:36] <Valduare> lol
[2:38] <warpie> how is that printer doing?
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[2:40] <swift110-phone> Hey
[2:40] <warpie> hello swift110-phone
[2:41] <swift110-phone> How r u warpie
[2:41] <swift110-phone> Ill be on my pc soon
[2:41] <warpie> ccool
[2:41] <warpie> I am still abnormal
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[2:43] <Valduare> what printer
[2:43] <warpie> the one you tore apart
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[2:45] <Valduare> ah
[2:45] <Valduare> the copier
[2:45] <Valduare> so i was playing with the photo interupters
[2:45] <warpie> <Valduare> got a handfull of photointerrupters out of this copy machine
[2:45] <warpie> <Valduare> going to see about getting them working with the pi for fun tonight
[2:45] <Valduare> and couldnt get them working
[2:45] <warpie> google them
[2:45] <Valduare> hooked an led up to Vout and the led just stayed on
[2:46] <Valduare> weather the ir was blocked or not
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[2:46] <warpie> well keep trying
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[2:47] <Valduare> found old iphone 3gs they dont have ir filter on the camera so I was able to see the ir led turn on
[2:47] <Valduare> just couldnt figure the receiver out heh
[2:47] <warpie> sweet
[2:47] <warpie> ahh... I see
[2:48] <warpie> you trying to make a remote out of them?
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[2:49] <Valduare> no just wanted to learn how to interface with them to use
[2:49] <warpie> ok
[2:49] <Valduare> hmm there’s not a chance that it needs pmw 38k or something to drive the ir led?
[2:50] <Valduare> hmm na tried various remotes too heh
[2:50] <warpie> dunno.. you are way above me now... ask niston
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[2:50] <Valduare> pointing their ir led at it and pushing buttons heh
[2:51] <Valduare> who is this niston everyone keeps referring to lol
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[2:53] <warpie> he's quite electronically knowledgeable and knows a lot..
[2:54] <warpie> he has built some pretty complex units with pi's....
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[2:56] <Valduare> ah have any links?
[2:57] <warpie> don't remember the links.. you have to ask niston
[2:57] <methuzla> are you trying to read ir remote codes with an iphone camera?
[2:58] <warpie> known him for about 2 yrs now
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[2:59] <Valduare> methuzla: no was just using the camera to verify if the ir led was infact on
[3:03] <Ispira> what's a good place to get stuff like toggle switches, instantaneous buttons, etc
[3:03] <Ispira> http://ep.yimg.com/ay/rodi/pilot-safety-cover-toggle-switch-3.png stuff like this
[3:03] <warpie> Radio Shack
[3:04] <warpie> auto stores
[3:04] <Ispira> holy prices radioshack
[3:04] <Valduare> auto stores will prob be cheaper than radio shack
[3:04] <warpie> Home depot
[3:04] <Valduare> amazon.com
[3:04] <Ispira> radioshack is $6 for a $1 button xD
[3:04] <Valduare> ebay
[3:04] <warpie> Lowes
[3:04] <warpie> dumpster diving
[3:05] <Ispira> I'm gonna tally the parts and if it's cheaper to build myself
[3:05] <Ispira> I'm going to do it just for the novelty
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[3:05] <Ispira> s/cheaper/the same price or less
[3:05] <warpie> sure... but it'll take up a lot of your time
[3:05] <Ispira> that's what DIY is all about though
[3:05] <Ispira> is a hobby
[3:06] <warpie> maybe look in university dumpsters
[3:06] <warpie> where they have machine shops
[3:08] <Valduare> so kernel 4.5
[3:08] <Valduare> its released
[3:08] <Valduare> when will we see it in raspbian
[3:08] <warpie> in 2078
[3:08] <Trelch> does someone know an easy way to tell if an LC Display still works?
[3:09] <SpeedEvil> connect it to a suitable driver
[3:09] <warpie> yeh, add power supply
[3:09] <SpeedEvil> there is no otehr way
[3:10] <Trelch> what exactly do you mean by that?
[3:10] <SpeedEvil> Trelch: there isn't a way.
[3:10] <SpeedEvil> Trelch: you need to connect the LCD to a suitable driver and power and display an image and look at it
[3:11] <Trelch> alright, thanks!
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[3:16] <Ispira> im going to head tot he arduino chat, seems that'll be the best place for me to start with this
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[3:17] <swift110> ok Ispira
[3:17] <swift110> I think these guys have enough with raspberry pi stuff that anything else would be oa bit much
[3:18] <Ispira> yeah I'm trying to keep things on topic :p
[3:18] <Ispira> I need to get my pi flashed and set up here soon
[3:18] <raidensnake> the 3?
[3:18] <Ispira> 2 b
[3:18] <raidensnake> mine still refuses to start cause of the chipset
[3:19] <Ispira> :(
[3:19] <raidensnake> my 2b works
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[3:19] <SkyCapitano> hey friends
[3:19] <sir_galahad_ad> :(
[3:19] <raidensnake> isn't there any image that works on the 3?
[3:20] <valesi> like, all of them
[3:20] <raidensnake> every official one I tried fails to boot
[3:20] <SkyCapitano> I just got a Raspberry Pi 3, for some reason wifi works, but eth0 will not get a real IP from my DHCP server (keeps getting assigned a 169.*.*.*)
[3:20] <SkyCapitano> I can't seem to find any fixes; wifi works but no ethernet
[3:20] <SkyCapitano> any ideas?
[3:20] <valesi> good ethernet cable?
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[3:20] <raidensnake> you're lucky sky mine refuses to boot cause of the kernel
[3:20] <SkyCapitano> valesi, I suppose it's worth a shot, but has worked in the past
[3:20] <SkyCapitano> let me double check
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[3:21] <raidensnake> I just get the rainbow on every version
[3:21] <valesi> like the big fullscreen rainbow?
[3:21] <raidensnake> yes
[3:21] <raidensnake> it just sits there
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[3:21] <valesi> I think the only time I've seen that is when I tried the video driver
[3:22] <raidensnake> I can't even do the initial boot
[3:22] <valesi> not sure what it means though
[3:22] <sir_galahad_ad> raiden just stand in front of the terminal and press the action button.
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[3:23] <raidensnake> ?
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[3:23] <mattwj2002> hey all
[3:23] <mattwj2002> :D
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[3:23] <sir_galahad_ad> sorry i assumed your nick was from MGS
[3:24] <sir_galahad_ad> hello mattwj2002
[3:24] <raidensnake> well yeah
[3:24] <mattwj2002> hey sir_galahad_ad
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[3:24] <raidensnake> had it for almost 20 years
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[3:24] <raidensnake> I want to get some os working
[3:24] <mattwj2002> man I need a rpi3 or two
[3:24] <sir_galahad_ad> hyarion: o/
[3:25] <mattwj2002> of them I mean
[3:25] <raidensnake> I have one but it's being a pain in the arse
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[3:25] <mattwj2002> *two
[3:25] <mattwj2002> what is wrong raien
[3:25] <raidensnake> nothing boots just the raibow screen
[3:25] <raidensnake> that's on all images
[3:25] <Phrohdoh> Hi, I have a single file/page I'd like to server and I have a dynamic dns from duckdns at phrohdoh.duckdns.org, what is the best way to serve this page?
[3:25] <SkyCapitano> valesi, hrm, seems to be the cable or the switch port at least
[3:25] <SkyCapitano> lol
[3:25] <SkyCapitano> thanks for the suggestion
[3:25] <Phrohdoh> rpi B+
[3:25] <SkyCapitano> I was like 9/10 sure
[3:26] <raidensnake> it's cause of the kernel
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[3:26] <valesi> yeah, gotta go up through the layers
[3:26] <Phrohdoh> like to server*
[3:26] <Phrohdoh> serve*!
[3:26] <SkyCapitano> although now it's not allowing me to ping
[3:26] <SkyCapitano> lol
[3:26] <sir_galahad_ad> raidensnake: have you tried a different card?
[3:26] <valesi> I'd check to see if any other devices see a global broadcast from it
[3:27] <raidensnake> yes 5 of them
[3:27] <raidensnake> same problem
[3:27] <SkyCapitano> valesi, seems that the user doesn't have perms for ping, easily fixed
[3:27] <raidensnake> it's the kernel always refusing to boot
[3:27] <valesi> oh, yep
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[3:28] <abnormal> raidensnake: here's my B-3
[3:28] <abnormal> Sysinfo for 'raspberrypi': Running against KDE 4.14.2 on Raspbian GNU/Linux 8 (jessie) powered by Linux 4.1.18-v7+, CPU: ARMv7 Processor rev 4 (v7l) at 1200 MHz, RAM: 652/925 MB, Storage: 3/27 GB, 128 procs, 62.09h up
[3:29] <raidensnake> how did you manage to boot it up?
[3:29] <valesi> It Just Works(TM)
[3:29] <abnormal> I used Noobs
[3:29] <methuzla> Phrohdoh, you need to setup a server on whatever phrohdoh.duckdns.org points to
[3:29] <raidensnake> I tried all versions and none of them would boot
[3:30] <raidensnake> all cause they all failed to load the kernel
[3:30] <myke> raidensnake: but uboot comes up?
[3:30] <raidensnake> yes as I get the rainbow colours
[3:30] <abnormal> what PSU are you using on your pi?
[3:30] <myke> no not that
[3:30] <raidensnake> on the screen
[3:30] <mattwj2002> raidensnake: how are you copying the image onto the microsd?
[3:30] <mattwj2002> dd ?
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[3:30] <raidensnake> no I ghave a windows system
[3:30] <raidensnake> win32 disk imager
[3:31] <abnormal> ahh
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[3:31] <abnormal> there is the catch
[3:31] <Phrohdoh> methuzla: Right, I'm asking for opinions on a way to do that.
[3:31] <raidensnake> yet if I run the same images on the pi 2 they all work fine
[3:31] <raidensnake> from the same memory cards
[3:32] <mattwj2002> weird
[3:32] <valesi> you've swapped PSUs right?
[3:32] <abnormal> raidensnake: you down load the Noobs, extract it in a folder, the copy and paste it into the SD card.
[3:32] <raidensnake> didn't make a difference
[3:32] <raidensnake> yes did that
[3:32] <valesi> k. tried with nothing plugged in?
[3:32] <valesi> peripherals, that is
[3:32] <abnormal> don't use win32 imager
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[3:33] <valesi> why not?
[3:33] <raidensnake> didn't work with nothing in and the votage test came back fine
[3:33] <methuzla> Phrohdoh, how do you want to access file/page? web browser? scp? ftp? telnet?
[3:33] <valesi> hmm, yeah, dunno. really seems like you have a lemon
[3:33] <mattwj2002> abnormal: what do you recommend instead?
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[3:33] <abnormal> it says very clearly in the noobs instructions how to do that.
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[3:33] <mattwj2002> I normally use Linux's dd :)
[3:34] <abnormal> yes, but he has a windows puter
[3:34] <raidensnake> I already answered that question
[3:34] <Phrohdoh> methuzla: Browser. I was thinking of grabbing node.js (because I use it for more real / other projects) and just serving it that way, but there is bound to be something simpler.
[3:34] <valesi> practically all other distros use imgs that you flash though, and win disk imager works just fine
[3:34] <raidensnake> also Linux's dd doesan't work properly
[3:34] <abnormal> ok min...
[3:34] <Phrohdoh> I'm ssh'd onto the machine right now and cleaning up unused cruft.
[3:34] <mattwj2002> I know....that is why I asked what the Windows solution is
[3:34] <swift110> so does anyone here use raspberry pi as a desktop?
[3:35] <methuzla> Phrohdoh could use python
[3:35] <myke> i have been
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[3:35] <raidensnake> I do sometimes to run some game code
[3:35] <valesi> been using my pi3 as a desktop for a bit
[3:35] <abnormal> swift110: I do
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[3:35] <Phrohdoh> Not a bad idea. I've never served pages with python before.
[3:36] <raidensnake> I wanted to set up a free open wifi on trains sometime when I go to special events so people can go online but it displays a default landing page
[3:36] <myke> captive portal
[3:36] <methuzla> Phrohdoh look at the SimpleHTTPServer module and examples
[3:37] <Phrohdoh> Will do, thanks.
[3:37] <raidensnake> 95% of the trains don't have wifi
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[3:37] <abnormal> raidensnake: read this very carefully... https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/noobs/
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[3:37] <valesi> well, I mean he said the cards work on his pi2
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[3:38] <warpie> yes but you have to follow what it said
[3:38] <raidensnake> yeah I can boot them on the pi 2 so I know the cards are fine
[3:38] <raidensnake> I did
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[3:38] <warpie> you can't just image the card.
[3:38] <raidensnake> didn't work
[3:38] <raidensnake> I formatted it in fat32 as well
[3:38] <Valduare> woo big thunder outside
[3:38] <raidensnake> I did all that
[3:39] <mattwj2002> I have a stupid idea.....are the images the latest version? maybe the software is too old to support rpi3? I am guessing they had to add some support at sometime
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[3:39] <raidensnake> I'm downloading the ones on the site rignht now.
[3:39] <raidensnake> right*
[3:39] <mattwj2002> ok
[3:39] <warpie> you have to extract it all in a folder on laptop or desktop and then copy all the extracted files and pasteit all in the SD card.
[3:39] <raidensnake> I must have done it like 20 odd times
[3:40] <raidensnake> did that
[3:40] <raidensnake> even with the netboot script by hifi as well
[3:40] <raidensnake> even that didn't work
[3:40] <valesi> yeah, if I were in your shoes, I'd probably RMA it
[3:41] <warpie> ok if I knew wherre yo u live I'd come over and fix it for you.
[3:41] <mattwj2002> bad pi! :(
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[3:41] <warpie> no
[3:41] <raidensnake> oh how I'd love to do that right now but it can't even be sent cause all of the bridges out of town are closed and there's works on the train tracks
[3:42] <raidensnake> no post is going anywhere
[3:42] <valesi> does RPF QA units off the line?
[3:43] <mattwj2002> I need to check Microcenter and see if they have rpi3 yet
[3:43] <mattwj2002> :)
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[3:44] <abnormal> canakit in canada have them
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[3:44] <mattwj2002> abnormal: my last rpi2 kit was from canakit
[3:44] <mattwj2002> they do a nice job
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[3:45] <raidensnake> I now own 5 pi's
[3:46] <mattwj2002> I have two
[3:46] <mattwj2002> rpi B+ and rpi2
[3:46] <mattwj2002> use to have two rpi B+ but I sold one
[3:46] <raidensnake> RPI1B 512MB v1, RPI1B 512MB v2, RPI1B+ 512MB, RPI2B 1GB, RPI3B 1GB
[3:47] <mattwj2002> I also bought a relative a rpi2
[3:47] <Ispira> so before even asking in arduino I got my list of parts together
[3:47] <Ispira> and realized it'd cost too much anyway
[3:48] <mattwj2002> i have considered getting a grovepi kit
[3:48] <mattwj2002> :)
[3:48] <abnormal> I have 8 pi's now
[3:48] <abnormal> and one BBB
[3:49] <Valduare> what is grovepi
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[3:49] <abnormal> yes, I love Canakit
[3:49] <raidensnake> wanna know something funy?
[3:49] <raidensnake> funy*
[3:49] <raidensnake> funny**
[3:49] <abnormal> sure
[3:50] <Valduare> is this grove kit? http://amzn.to/253nh5v
[3:50] <raidensnake> I actually live only 80 miles away from where both ARM and the RPI Foundation are based.
[3:50] <abnormal> you dog
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[3:50] <abnormal> lucky you, you dog...
[3:50] <mattwj2002> that would be it Valduare
[3:51] <raidensnake> Cambridge, UK
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[3:51] <abnormal> sweet
[3:51] <valesi> raidensnake, have you tried boot_delay=1 in config.txt?
[3:51] <Valduare> interesting
[3:52] <abnormal> so, niston is not far from you
[3:53] <Crom> still no rpi3 grrr
[3:53] <raidensnake> yes I havbe tried that and it didn't work
[3:53] <abnormal> Crom: order it from amazon... the canakit one
[3:53] <mattwj2002> Valduare: actually your link is wrong
[3:53] <mattwj2002> that is for arduino
[3:54] <mattwj2002> grovepi is basically the same thing but for a raspberry pi
[3:54] <mattwj2002> instead of arduino
[3:54] <raidensnake> also don't you mean neston?
[3:54] <Valduare> oh
[3:55] <mattwj2002> http://www.dexterindustries.com/grovepi/
[3:55] <Valduare> http://amzn.to/253ny8A
[3:55] <Crom> I've 2 on order. 1 from pomoroni and 1 from newark (scheduled for shipping apr7th)
[3:55] <Valduare> this one?
[3:55] <mattwj2002> Valduare: yeah i think that is
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[3:56] <abnormal> wow... $90
[3:56] <abnormal> holy moly
[3:56] <mattwj2002> abnormal: agreed not cheap
[3:57] <raidensnake> btw wanna know something? I use my rpi2 as a media player for my cat-eared headset
[3:57] <abnormal> but it will keep you busy just for a few hours...
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[3:57] <abnormal> sweet, raidensnake
[3:58] <raidensnake> http://www.brookstone.com/cat-ear-headphones-axent-wear/990635p.html?bkiid=main_banner_zone%7Chmpg%7Cbanner%7C2%7C990635p-catear
[3:58] <mattwj2002> abnormal: look at some of the cool sensors you can get though
[3:58] <mattwj2002> http://www.seeedstudio.com/wiki/Grove_-_GPS
[3:59] <valesi> raidensnake, lol
[3:59] <raidensnake> these are the real deal
[3:59] <warpie> good night... see you all tomorrow... nite....
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[4:00] <valesi> haha, those are actually speakers on the top too
[4:00] <swift110> cool abnormal
[4:00] <abnormal> night...
[4:00] <swift110> which pi/s do you have?
[4:00] <valesi> specs looks good though
[4:01] <swift110> I wish to do the same with my zero, I see the potential for it.
[4:01] <swift110> would be so hilarious to do something in blender on a raspberry pi.
[4:01] <mattwj2002> nooooooo
[4:01] * mattwj2002 smacks swift110
[4:01] <mattwj2002> don't do that to a little pi :(
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[4:02] <swift110> I think its possible
[4:02] <swift110> would be awesome for my blog even more so on a zero
[4:02] <mattwj2002> a pi would blend
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[4:03] <valesi> the modeling program?
[4:03] <mattwj2002> why not blend a piece of crap like an iphone or something
[4:03] <mattwj2002> )
[4:03] <mattwj2002> :)
[4:03] <valesi> probably because their hardware is actually pretty good
[4:04] <mattwj2002> valesi: I am just joking around
[4:04] <mattwj2002> iphones blend....I believe someone has done that before
[4:05] <swift110> modeling program
[4:05] <swift110> makehuman would be cool as well
[4:05] <swift110> definately gimp
[4:05] <swift110> abnormal, which pis do you have
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[4:05] <swift110> does anyone else use a pi ask a desktop
[4:05] <swift110> as
[4:06] <valesi> he's gone for the night, and we've answered that question
[4:07] <swift110> 1 person answered me
[4:07] <Ispira> Ohhh lookie
[4:07] <Ispira> https://www.sparkfun.com/categories/145
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[4:07] <Ispira> these people sell some awesome stuff
[4:07] <raidensnake> I'm here
[4:07] <valesi> pretty sure at least 3 people answered you
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[4:07] <swift110> I only saw one the rest didnt highlight my name
[4:09] <swift110> hmmmm all the ideas
[4:09] <swift110> my sister would love if i got her one
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[4:12] <raidensnake> those cat eared headphones work really well with the pi's
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[4:12] <Ispira> Hm
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[4:15] <Ispira> .____.
[4:16] <Ispira> I found a discontinued item that I really want and a site with 3 in stock... *buys all 3*
[4:16] <Ispira> and on that note I'm getting off of irc! bye everyone.
[4:16] <myke> raidensnake: in bluetooth mode?
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[4:24] <swift110> ok
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[4:28] <Valduare> hmm any suggestions for a cool project to use a 10k sliding potentiometer :P
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[4:38] <myke> Valduare: physical volume control
[4:40] <methuzla> kind of hard to read it with a pi, so not sure
[4:41] <Valduare> oh neat an electromagnetic counter
[4:41] <Valduare> 24v
[4:41] <swift110> hmm connect a kinect to a pi
[4:41] <swift110> use it as a camera
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[5:03] <Valduare> well its fun using it with leds lo
[5:03] <Valduare> lol
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[6:22] <shiftplusone> fattire: am now.
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[6:28] <swift110-phone> Hey
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[6:30] <shiftplusone> 'morning
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[6:45] <swift110-phone> How r u
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[7:14] <DSdavidDS> if my ACT light isnt blinking, I can assume my PI has crashed, right?
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[7:18] <DSdavidDS> or perhaps dying? The act light stops after a while and my ssh stops working (indicating my PI has crashed)
[7:19] <swift110-phone> Hm,
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[7:47] <raidensnake> mine still rainbows
[7:48] <shiftplusone> DSdavidDS: No, the ACT LED doesn't have to flash. Only when there's SD card activity. If the pi is not doing anything, there's no reason for it to flash.
[7:48] <shiftplusone> DSdavidDS: hook up a screen and keyboard or serial and see what's happening.
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[8:13] <DSdavidDS> shiftplusone: I've verified that it also crashes upon disconnecting hdmi (I have it set up headlessly)
[8:13] <shiftplusone> DSdavidDS: does the red led flicker at all or is it always solid when this happens?
[8:14] <DSdavidDS> shiftplusone: solid
[8:14] <shiftplusone> Hmm
[8:14] <DSdavidDS> I am testing the same card on my zero to make sure that it is not a problem with the card
[8:15] <DSdavidDS> if my zero doesnt crash within a day, I can conclude there is something wrong with my pi and not my card
[8:15] <x29a> DSdavidDS: what powersupply are you using?
[8:15] <shiftplusone> Doesn't sound like an sd card problem. Feels like a power problem, but then I'd expect the red LED to indicate that. What model pi is it?
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[8:16] <DSdavidDS> I thought power was the problem, but it isn't. I've tested it getting a steady supply from my multimeter
[8:16] <DSdavidDS> first model of pi B
[8:17] <toomanyerrors> wait wait what is the situation here?
[8:17] <DSdavidDS> My pi keep crashing. trying to isolate the problem
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[8:17] <DSdavidDS> been trying to for the last 2 months
[8:18] <shiftplusone> multimeter wouldn't show the problem, since it would be a very fast glitch
[8:18] <toomanyerrors> ok if you've ruled power out then...
[8:18] <toomanyerrors> try a different psu anyway
[8:18] <toomanyerrors> it could be a system related issue
[8:18] <shiftplusone> if it's a first model pi b, then red LED wouldn't flicker
[8:19] <DSdavidDS> toomanyerrors: tried like 5 differeny psus...
[8:19] <shiftplusone> and the power circuitry on that pi wasn't the greatest.
[8:19] <DSdavidDS> I probably need to go buy a new pi
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[8:19] <DSdavidDS> more zeros :3
[8:19] <toomanyerrors> crashing like rebooting or power on, then crash and power off?
[8:19] <shiftplusone> so it may be the inductance of the wires combined with a sudden change of yanking hdmi out is causing the problem.
[8:20] <shiftplusone> but yeah, not idea really.
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[8:22] <DSdavidDS> hdmi induction makes sense
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[8:22] <toomanyerrors> lets do a differential
[8:22] <shiftplusone> I was thinking more of the inductance on the supply side
[8:22] <toomanyerrors> list of causes for pi crashing?
[8:23] <toomanyerrors> power
[8:23] <toomanyerrors> hdmi inductance
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[8:23] <GeekOfflineNL> microSD corruption ?
[8:24] <toomanyerrors> ok...
[8:24] <toomanyerrors> keep going
[8:24] <toomanyerrors> did you try a different usb cable?
[8:24] <shiftplusone> the original pi's power circuitry just not being that stable when things like that happen.
[8:25] <shiftplusone> Just go and buy a pi 3, they're great. =P
[8:25] <shiftplusone> That's my shilling quote fulfilled.
[8:25] <shiftplusone> *quota
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[8:26] <toomanyerrors> but it would be a waste of a pi
[8:27] <GeekOfflineNL> old pi's are still great when trying out some GPIO hacking :-) blowing one up is not as bad as blowing your brand new pi3
[8:27] <GeekOfflineNL> (hasn't happen yet !)
[8:28] <toomanyerrors> GeekOfflineNL exactly
[8:28] <toomanyerrors> can i say something
[8:28] <GeekOfflineNL> even the newest Jessie raspbian still works with my first pi-1 256MB :-)
[8:28] <shiftplusone> waste of a pi? >.>
[8:28] * shiftplusone hides a small pile of old pis.
[8:28] <raidensnake> I got the main debian one working
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[8:30] <shiftplusone> heh
[8:30] <GeekOfflineNL> toomanyerrors = toomanyPI's ?
[8:30] <toomanyerrors> nice...
[8:30] <shiftplusone> oldpismatter
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[8:32] <TooManyOldPisThe> nope
[8:32] <TooManyOldPisThe> TooManyOldPis
[8:32] <shiftplusone> excellent
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[8:33] <TooManyOldPis> i need to say something
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[8:35] <TooManyOldPis> ok gimme a minute
[8:35] <TooManyOldPis> brb
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[8:39] <toomanyerrors> yo
[8:39] <toomanyerrors> me back
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[8:39] <toomanyerrors> i need to say something
[8:39] <shiftplusone> ... the suspense.
[8:40] <toomanyerrors> uhhh
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[8:40] <toomanyerrors> i need everyone to promise they wont kick me
[8:40] <toomanyerrors> from the hannel
[8:40] * ChanServ sets mode +o shiftplusone
[8:40] <toomanyerrors> everyone present anyway
[8:40] <shiftplusone> I promise >=)
[8:40] <GeekOfflineNL> :-)
[8:40] <toomanyerrors> whats that
[8:40] <toomanyerrors> mode +o?
[8:41] <raidensnake> Operator mode
[8:41] <wildc4rd> call it getting ready
[8:41] <raidensnake> meaning admin access
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[8:41] <toomanyerrors> i dont actually have a pi
[8:41] <toomanyerrors> there
[8:41] <toomanyerrors> i said it
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[8:42] <toomanyerrors> because everytime i thought i'd get one
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[8:42] <shiftplusone> anticlimactic
[8:42] <toomanyerrors> i spent my project budget on something else
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[8:43] <toomanyerrors> shiftplusone that please dont kick me was JIC
[8:44] <Lonefish> indeed very anticlimatic.
[8:45] <Lonefish> I expected at least some flaming or swearing
[8:45] <shiftplusone> So any plans to get a pi soon then?
[8:46] <toomanyerrors> yes
[8:46] <toomanyerrors> definitely
[8:46] <toomanyerrors> pi 3
[8:46] <toomanyerrors> after the exam results
[8:46] <toomanyerrors> if my dad is happy with them
[8:46] <toomanyerrors> last exam tomorrow
[8:46] <GeekOfflineNL> and will he be ???
[8:47] <toomanyerrors> dunno
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[8:47] <Lonefish> exams in march? Where do you live?
[8:47] <toomanyerrors> a1/a2 in math
[8:47] <toomanyerrors> India
[8:47] <toomanyerrors> a1 in science
[8:47] <toomanyerrors> a1 in english
[8:47] <Lonefish> (suspect A1 is like 100%?)
[8:47] <toomanyerrors> yes 91 to 100 marks
[8:48] <shiftplusone> agh.... exams. Glad that's not a thing anymore.
[8:48] <toomanyerrors> a1/a2 in sst
[8:48] <toomanyerrors> b1/b2/c1 in sanskrit
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[8:48] <toomanyerrors> i havent written hindi yet
[8:48] <toomanyerrors> so cant telll
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[8:49] <Lonefish> congrats ;)
[8:49] <toomanyerrors> but sanskrit....
[8:49] <toomanyerrors> it's the only exam i studied for
[8:49] <toomanyerrors> and the marks be horrible ;/
[8:49] <shiftplusone> psh... hindi is easy
[8:49] <toomanyerrors> uhhhh
[8:49] <toomanyerrors> how do you know? really wanna know
[8:49] <shiftplusone> dum bewkoof hei
[8:50] <toomanyerrors> seriously
[8:50] <shiftplusone> .... that's about all I know.... what more does one need.
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[8:50] <toomanyerrors> hahahaha\
[8:50] <shiftplusone> wait... one more. Apki ankhey bahoot sundar hei.
[8:50] <shiftplusone> but that one's not as useful.
[8:50] <toomanyerrors> hahahahahahahahaha
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[8:51] <toomanyerrors> bewakoof is not even hindi
[8:51] <toomanyerrors> it's urdu
[8:51] <toomanyerrors> adapted into hindia
[8:51] <toomanyerrors> hindi*
[8:51] <toomanyerrors> i can teach you to swear in hindi
[8:51] <shiftplusone> ah... surprisingly common then.
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[8:51] <shiftplusone> Nuh, no need. Especially not here D=.
[8:51] <toomanyerrors> and it's actually "Tum bewakoof ho"
[8:52] <toomanyerrors> ho pronounced as hoe
[8:52] <shiftplusone> well, depends on gender, no?
[8:52] <toomanyerrors> nope
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[8:52] <shiftplusone> ah... then I am a bit rusty.
[8:52] <toomanyerrors> where did you pick this up?
[8:52] <toomanyerrors> it sometimes depends on gender
[8:52] <toomanyerrors> but not always
[8:53] <shiftplusone> Ex was Indian. Also had an Indian coworker who was teaching me.
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[8:53] <toomanyerrors> awesone
[8:54] <toomanyerrors> awesome*
[8:54] <toomanyerrors> there are actually 1640 indian languages
[8:55] <Lonefish> are they actually seperate languages?
[8:55] <toomanyerrors> yes
[8:55] <Lonefish> Or more like dialects?
[8:55] <toomanyerrors> separate
[8:55] <toomanyerrors> there are something like 6000 dialects
[8:56] <toomanyerrors> but only twenty two are officially recognised
[8:56] <Lonefish> Oh god..
[8:56] <toomanyerrors> by govt
[8:57] * Ray__ is now known as Ispira
[8:57] <toomanyerrors> ...thats a lot, yeah.
[8:57] <toomanyerrors> imagine though
[8:57] <toomanyerrors> 1 in every six humans is indian
[8:57] <shiftplusone> I suspect you can get by everywhere just with hindi
[8:57] <Lonefish> you wouldn't in belgium :p
[8:57] <toomanyerrors> maybe now
[8:57] <shiftplusone> lol
[8:58] <toomanyerrors> five years ago?
[8:58] <toomanyerrors> no way.
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[8:58] <shiftplusone> what about urdu in the south and hindi in the north then?
[8:58] <toomanyerrors> i need to convince my dad for a pi
[8:58] <toomanyerrors> no urdu in the south
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[8:58] <Lonefish> half of our country speaks french, the other speaks dutch. You can't even get by with dutch in the french part.
[8:58] <Lonefish> Imagine hindi.. :p
[8:58] <toomanyerrors> four southern states
[8:59] <toomanyerrors> karnataka is kannada
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[8:59] <toomanyerrors> actually five now
[8:59] <toomanyerrors> andhra split lately
[8:59] <toomanyerrors> so telangana and seemandhra speak telugu
[8:59] <shiftplusone> hm
[8:59] <toomanyerrors> but both different dialects
[9:00] <toomanyerrors> then... tamil nadu speaks tamil
[9:00] <toomanyerrors> kerala speaks malayalam
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[9:00] <toomanyerrors> my mom is tamilian
[9:01] <toomanyerrors> my dad is from uttar pradesh but he was raised in odisha
[9:01] <shiftplusone> ah.... malayalam is the only other one that I recognise there.
[9:01] <toomanyerrors> so he knows bhojpuri, hindi, odiya, and tamil and some 4 others
[9:02] <shiftplusone> Looks interesting when written.
[9:02] <toomanyerrors> malayalam is a common example of a palindrome
[9:02] <toomanyerrors> its very similar to tamil
[9:02] <shiftplusone> Someone send a letter to the raspberry pi office written in malayalam O_o
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[9:02] <toomanyerrors> why :/
[9:02] <shiftplusone> Needless to say, nobody could read it >.>
[9:03] <toomanyerrors> oooh
[9:03] <shiftplusone> I think twitter translated in in the end.
[9:03] <toomanyerrors> its pointless sending one if you cant read it
[9:03] <shiftplusone> Should've sent one back in russian
[9:06] <toomanyerrors> good idea
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[9:08] <shiftplusone> Now then.... tea and work time
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[9:11] <toomanyerrors> wait
[9:12] <toomanyerrors> question
[9:12] <toomanyerrors> where do you work
[9:12] <shiftplusone> pi towers, until my visa expires anyway.
[9:12] <toomanyerrors> where are you from?
[9:13] <toomanyerrors> Pi Towers...
[9:13] <shiftplusone> Australia, originally Ukraine.
[9:13] <toomanyerrors> must be awesome
[9:13] <toomanyerrors> Are your PCs really all Pis?
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[9:14] <shiftplusone> Nope. A proper gaming PC at home. A dell laptop for work and a pile of pis for development/testing.
[9:14] <toomanyerrors> no, at the towers
[9:14] <Lonefish> I doubt that would be workable
[9:14] <shiftplusone> Nope, mostly a mix of macbooks and dell laptops
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[9:15] <Lonefish> Maybe with the pi3 it wouldn't make you want to pull your hair out, but the older ones don't have enough juice to keep powerusers happy I'm afraid
[9:15] <shiftplusone> I spend most of my time sshed into a pi though, so I could probably get a good bulk of work done on the pi alone directly.
[9:15] <toomanyerrors> good point
[9:15] <toomanyerrors> hey, if i was working at the towers
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[9:16] <toomanyerrors> could i take my pay in raspberry pis?
[9:16] <shiftplusone> lol
[9:16] <wildc4rd> anything but zeros probably, lol
[9:17] <toomanyerrors> seriously could i
[9:17] <Lonefish> for 1700$ that would mean 340 pi zero's..
[9:17] <Lonefish> That would be interesting to say the least..
[9:18] <Lonefish> And that's salesprice. Maybe with employee discount you could get that up to 500 :p
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[9:18] <toomanyerrors> hmmmm
[9:19] <toomanyerrors> opportunity to be considered eh?
[9:19] <shiftplusone> I draw a distinction between the work pis and my own (always buy them rather than just taking them from work), but the ones I have from/for work are quite numerous. So I think you'd be silly to forego your pay for pis you have access to anyway. D=
[9:19] <Lonefish> sell that on ebay. *20$.
[9:20] <Lonefish> And I can imagine that when you're at home you just want to relax and don't care for pi's anymore?
[9:20] <toomanyerrors> no....
[9:20] <toomanyerrors> pis are fun anywhere
[9:20] <toomanyerrors> hey i have a pi zero already
[9:21] <toomanyerrors> but i havent received it yet
[9:21] <toomanyerrors> so im wondering to buy accessories to make it usable or just buy a new pi 3?
[9:22] <shiftplusone> I care, but not enough to mess around with them like I used to before working here. They are still there and I use them for various things (NAS, wifi ap, torrent, owncloud, media play box), but not at much.
[9:22] <GeekOfflineNL> i myself never could find any use for pi zero. i always stick with the B models.
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[9:22] <wildc4rd> shiftplusone, that is the reason I never worked in IT, because I really enjoy it, lol
[9:23] <Lonefish> I got one to check it out, it's more of an IoT thingie than an actual pi imo
[9:23] <toomanyerrors> oh
[9:23] <toomanyerrors> but retro games
[9:23] <toomanyerrors> also
[9:24] <toomanyerrors> should i build a portable pc with the pi?
[9:24] <shiftplusone> wildc4rd: lol, yeah. I think it's possible to preserve the enjoyment though.
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[9:24] <GeekOfflineNL> For IoT i mostly use Arduino version
[9:24] <Lonefish> yeah; might do the NES controller all-in-one thing
[9:24] <ShorTie> easiest way to kill a hobby, is get a job in it .. :/~
[9:24] <Lonefish> strangely true..
[9:25] <Lonefish> but rather do that than a job I completely hate
[9:25] <toomanyerrors> like
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[9:26] <toomanyerrors> how would i output audio to earphones
[9:26] <toomanyerrors> if i use a car reverse display
[9:26] <shiftplusone> I think it's important to have a job you hate for a while
[9:26] <shiftplusone> to appreciate a good job
[9:27] <ShorTie> or is that a 'not so bad' job
[9:27] * ShorTie snickers
[9:28] <shiftplusone> Worked in a supermarket for a few years. Management would cut corners all the time, health and safety barely existed. They just slowly ruined everyone's health. Everyone there over a certain age was constantly on painkillers. Awful place.
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[9:29] * toomanyerrors really wants to know how he would output audio through the earphone jack if it was being used to output video to a device without speakers
[9:30] <shiftplusone> toomanyerrors: you can do that, just need the right cable.
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[9:31] <toomanyerrors> thats a lot of cables....
[9:31] <shiftplusone> toomanyerrors: just need a cable that splits the audio and video lines.
[9:31] <GeekOfflineNL> i don;t know if the pizero has 3.5 mm jacks. But i don't think it has
[9:31] <shiftplusone> Hm? It could be just one Y cable.
[9:31] <toomanyerrors> no, a pi 3
[9:31] <shiftplusone> zero doesn't, but you can solder some wires to it
[9:31] <GeekOfflineNL> ah, pi3 has 3.5 mm jack for audio output only.
[9:32] <GeekOfflineNL> just set audio output to 3.5mm jack, and video to HDMI
[9:32] <shiftplusone> GeekOfflineNL: there's composite in that jack as well
[9:32] <GeekOfflineNL> ah oke., he want's to use composite
[9:32] <toomanyerrors> so if i have an rca red white and yellow cable with a 3.5 mm connector
[9:32] <toomanyerrors> and a car reverse display
[9:33] <toomanyerrors> oh forget it i'll just take the laptop
[9:33] <toomanyerrors> and ssh into the pi
[9:33] <toomanyerrors> or remote desktop for a gui
[9:33] <shiftplusone> http://www.modmypi.com/raspberry-pi/accessories/audio-cables/av-composite-cable-3.5mm-to-3-x-rca-3m
[9:34] <shiftplusone> .... but shorter
[9:34] <toomanyerrors> i have this cable dude
[9:34] <shiftplusone> ah
[9:34] <toomanyerrors> but the red and white
[9:34] <toomanyerrors> how do i make it into 3.5 mm?
[9:36] <GeekOfflineNL> solder it yourseslf or buy a cable/converter to 3.5mm :-)
[9:36] <shiftplusone> get cable with the 3.5mm connector with the extra pole (probably from a device with a microphone) and connect the two
[9:36] <shiftplusone> just be sure to get ground right
[9:37] <toomanyerrors> soldering is really not my forte
[9:38] <shiftplusone> It's a very useful skill, so I'd recommend getting used to it
[9:39] <GeekOfflineNL> so you need to buy something like this: http://www.thatcable.com/product/0.2m-3.5mm-Stereo-Jack-Plug-to-2-RCAPhono-Female-Cable-AUX-Socket-Adap
[9:39] <ShorTie> a good tin is the key to a good solder job
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[9:39] <Armand> Soul-der, not 'sod-er'
[9:39] <osense> hello
[9:39] <toomanyerrors> i'll just stick with the cable but thanks
[9:39] <GeekOfflineNL> but soldering is more fun :-) (not cheaper if you need to buy all the components)
[9:40] <toomanyerrors> yeh
[9:40] <shiftplusone> and understanding that you should let the solder flow to you rather than poke it with the iron.
[9:40] <osense> I'm running 3 LED diodes on one of the pogrammable gpio pins, no resistors
[9:40] <toomanyerrors> but my dad is paying for it, so
[9:40] <osense> am I at the risk of burning somehting?
[9:40] <shiftplusone> osense: yes.
[9:40] <toomanyerrors> i think so
[9:40] <shiftplusone> osense: you need to limit the current
[9:40] <GeekOfflineNL> aargh, no resistor ?
[9:41] <osense> shiftplusone: why doesn't the rpi do that on it's own?
[9:41] <GeekOfflineNL> please put a 220/270ohm resistor in the circuit :-(
[9:41] <SpeedEvil> osense: because it's $35, not $45
[9:41] <osense> GeekOfflineNL: I did, but the LEDs got very dim then
[9:41] <SpeedEvil> osense: In general, putting 1K resistors in series with every single IO you use is good practice
[9:42] <SpeedEvil> It should not affect anything sane you're doing with it
[9:42] <shiftplusone> osense: it hasn't mastered the craft of creating arbitrary sized resistors and knowing exactly what you'll connect to figure out what type of resistor to insert.
[9:42] <osense> shiftplusone: I hate when that happens
[9:42] <SpeedEvil> And will considerably improve teh robustness and accident resistance
[9:42] <toomanyerrors> but even resistors generate heat
[9:42] <ShorTie> dim led, use a smaller resistor like a 150ohm
[9:42] <GeekOfflineNL> indeed ShorTie
[9:43] <toomanyerrors> with a bunch of them youd be at risk of blowing something up
[9:43] <ShorTie> not all leds are the same
[9:43] <toomanyerrors> but like a lot of resistors
[9:43] <toomanyerrors> 500
[9:43] <GeekOfflineNL> remember you only send 3.3volts through the LED's
[9:43] <osense> alright, I'll try to get some really weak resistors
[9:43] <osense> yeah
[9:44] <osense> hmm, could I try to send 5V and use the 270 ohm resistor I have?
[9:44] <toomanyerrors> question
[9:44] <toomanyerrors> what's the real world performance of pi 3
[9:44] <SpeedEvil> toomanyerrors: Exactly equivalent to a pi 3.
[9:44] <toomanyerrors> pi one was pentium 4
[9:45] <SpeedEvil> toomanyerrors: It varies considerably depending on the task.
[9:45] <toomanyerrors> ehehehehe
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[9:45] <GeekOfflineNL> if brightness is that important, you could also connect a transistor circuit or bidirectional converter to the pi GPIO and power the LED's with 5v?
[9:45] <osense> oh, I guess all the (easily) programmable pins are 3.3V
[9:45] <SpeedEvil> toomanyerrors: The CPU is modestly faster (it is not being used optimally)
[9:45] <toomanyerrors> daily use and retro gaming stuff?
[9:45] <shiftplusone> define daily use
[9:45] <SpeedEvil> toomanyerrors: Several tens of percent faster than a Pi2 typically probably.
[9:45] <shiftplusone> retro gaming, easy.
[9:46] <SpeedEvil> toomanyerrors: If you don't bang into the limits.
[9:46] <toomanyerrors> web browsing, irc, bit of retro gaming(n64,ps1)
[9:46] <toomanyerrors> daily use for me
[9:46] <toomanyerrors> and torrents
[9:46] <shiftplusone> web browsing, not great, but if you have to, it's not that bad as long as you don't try to watch videos in the browser and such.
[9:47] <GeekOfflineNL> weel i'm off. gotta earn a living :-)
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[9:47] <shiftplusone> I can use iceweasel on a pi 3 and forget it's a pi if I don't go opening multiple tabs
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[9:47] <toomanyerrors> i usually have a torrent running in the background and download any videos i must watch to not waste bandwidth
[9:47] <toomanyerrors> nope i have atleast 4 given tabs open at any time
[9:48] <shiftplusone> To be blunt, you'll probably not want to browse on the pi.
[9:48] <toomanyerrors> ok i'll use the lapto[
[9:48] <chithead> there are browsers that work fine on the pi
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[9:48] <osense> links
[9:49] <chithead> netsurf, dillo
[9:49] <chithead> netsurf even works on risc os
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[9:49] <toomanyerrors> how about chrome
[9:49] <shiftplusone> chrome is similar to iceweasel, but I've had it crash once while running sunspider, so I stick to iceweasel
[9:50] <toomanyerrors> oops i clicked on your name
[9:50] <toomanyerrors> it's giving me some weird shit
[9:53] <daey> does riscos have any practical use in the real world?
[9:54] <Armand> Does MacOS ? :P
[9:54] * Armand runs!
[9:54] <toomanyerrors> heheheh
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[9:56] * Lonefish highfives Armand
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[9:56] <Armand> \o.
[9:57] <Lonefish> AiGreek: Armand has made a good point.
[9:57] * toomanyerrors thinks that was a good point too
[9:58] <Lonefish> toomanyerrors: Clicking on a name gives you the whois information, it's only on your screen tho, we don't see it :)
[9:58] * toomanyerrors is playing earthbound
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[9:58] <toomanyerrors> oh
[9:58] <toomanyerrors> ok
[9:59] <mfa298> riscos is certainly part of the Pi's heritage, and back in the mid 90's it's graphical UI was way ahead of what Microsoft was doing.
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[9:59] <Armand> mfa298: Win3.11 or '95?
[9:59] <mfa298> although so far I've only used riscos on the Pi to run an acorn emulator and play some games
[9:59] <Armand> Big difference. :P
[9:59] <mfa298> Armand: riscos was around before win95
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[10:00] <Lonefish> I kind of miss the days of win95
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[10:01] <Lonefish> I saw a vid last week about kids using a win95 computer in 2016. It made me nostalgic
[10:01] <toomanyerrors> anyone know a good emulator for snes linux
[10:01] <mfa298> my dates are out, riscos 3.0 was 1991, so earlier than mid 90's
[10:01] <toomanyerrors> bsnes
[10:02] <ktwo> i started with pure dos :) games like commander keen
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[10:04] <Lonefish> I had dos games on win95. Stunts and prince of persia, the 2d version
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[10:09] <dark0ne> Stunts was so much fun, Prince of Persia too but Stunts allowed you to make a parcours just to crash the car as spectacularly as you could
[10:10] <Lonefish> and the loops, gotta love the loops
[10:11] <dark0ne> I used to build a track with the longest straight stretch possible and then in the end put 1 loop which of course I didn't turn in
[10:11] <akar> remember inserting 5 inch disk to play prince of persia
[10:11] <dark0ne> The car would fly so far :P
[10:11] <shiftplusone> you're all wrong. DOAT and monkey island was where it was at.
[10:11] <shiftplusone> Although I still play prince of persia once in a while
[10:11] <dark0ne> LSL ;)
[10:11] <shiftplusone> aye
[10:12] <shiftplusone> When I got through the questions anyway >=/
[10:12] <shiftplusone> It still takes me a few tries! D=
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[10:13] <Lonefish> I'm kind of sad that I missed a part of the 90's. I was born in 90, and had some of the 90's fun but not all of it :(
[10:13] <shiftplusone> Aye, I was born in 88 and wish it was a few years earlier. Interesting times.
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[10:13] <dark0ne> I feel the same way about the 60s, even though that was waaayyy before I was born
[10:13] <dark0ne> Damn I'm old, 81 here
[10:14] <toomanyerrors> my mom is 71
[10:14] <toomanyerrors> 1971 i mean
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[10:14] <toomanyerrors> and dad be 64
[10:14] <toomanyerrors> 1964 again
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[10:15] <shiftplusone> I wonder what the kids growing up now will look back fondly on
[10:15] <Lonefish> dark0ne: at least you fully lived the 90's!
[10:15] <Betablocker> << 1976
[10:15] <akar> @darkOne 2 years after you
[10:15] <Lonefish> "Do you remember the time we only had one iPad for all kids?"
[10:15] <Lonefish> Allthough even that isn't true anymore..
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[10:16] <shiftplusone> I guess minecraft's kick to indie games, vr becoming an actual thing and so on
[10:16] <Lonefish> nephews are 6 and 8 and both have an ipad (true, secondhand, but still)
[10:16] <akar> 90's was the console era, hate my mom who never let me have console game: NES, sega, PSX
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[10:16] <toomanyerrors> earthbound is super shitty
[10:16] <toomanyerrors> im going back to mother 2
[10:16] <Armand> shiftplusone: StarMade is better. ;)
[10:16] <Betablocker> i remember when i first got online in 1992 with phreaking moves
[10:17] <Betablocker> long time ago
[10:17] <Lonefish> online in 92? Damn.
[10:17] <shiftplusone> I only got online in 98
[10:17] <Betablocker> maybe 91 dont remember
[10:17] <akar> hahaha funny noise on the phone, when the modem dialing
[10:17] <Lonefish> I had to wait until 98 too.. Remember coming home and my mom being like "We have internet!"
[10:17] <Betablocker> :)
[10:18] <Lonefish> waiting fucking 3 minutes for a site too load
[10:18] <shiftplusone> Lonefish: what was the first site you went on? (Keep it PG!)
[10:18] <akar> first time playing EA FIFA with friend from home
[10:18] <toomanyerrors> hey
[10:18] <Lonefish> click once, wait again
[10:18] <toomanyerrors> how do i dual boot raspbian with retropie on a pi 3
[10:18] <toomanyerrors> hey
[10:18] <shiftplusone> altavista being 'the' search engine... then yahoo... agh
[10:18] <Lonefish> don't remember actually, I know we had like "KidCity" a site for kids and games
[10:18] <Betablocker> remember when my phreaking moves didn work anymore - unfortunatly i didnt recognize - and i came home and my dad had a telephone bill about 1000 bucks
[10:18] <Betablocker> that was fun !
[10:19] <Lonefish> oh altavista, searching (I almost said googling..) something and 15 pages in finding the page you needed..
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[10:19] <akar> anyone ever use askjeeves?
[10:19] <shiftplusone> geocities cites with 'under construction' banners >.>
[10:19] <Lonefish> Betablocker: auwtsh.
[10:19] <shiftplusone> and spinning flaming scull gifs of course.
[10:19] * toomanyerrors really needs to pee so would appreciate answer soon
[10:20] <shiftplusone> toomanyerrors: maybe berryboot.
[10:20] <Lonefish> oh, geocities, msn groups
[10:20] <Lonefish> my first "website"
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[10:20] <Betablocker> i called us telephone number there was kind of human operator - then i watied till they hang up on the other side - the telephone relais was so slow that i could dial a number that connected me to the internet
[10:20] <Betablocker> went online for free for some years
[10:20] <Betablocker> :)
[10:20] <shiftplusone> nice
[10:21] <Betablocker> then came the digitization of the telephone nets and this move did not work anymore
[10:21] <akar> lol
[10:21] <Lonefish> the good old days
[10:21] <Betablocker> so we used AOL fake accounts for years… worked as well
[10:21] <shiftplusone> being dropped off the net when someone made a call and then having to pay 20c to connect again >=/
[10:21] <shiftplusone> Or worse, mum being on the phone for hours
[10:21] <Lonefish> did you ever do the trick with the recorded tones for a public telephone?
[10:21] <toomanyerrors> or couldnt i just install emulationstation and provide my own emulators
[10:22] <shiftplusone> toomanyerrors: you could even skip emulationstation.
[10:22] <toomanyerrors> nope
[10:22] <toomanyerrors> need a gui
[10:22] <toomanyerrors> just getting omfy with cmdline
[10:22] <shiftplusone> emulationstation is nice and polished, but I find it to still be a bit clunky
[10:22] <Betablocker> i heard that trick with the recorded tones :)
[10:22] <toomanyerrors> comfy* damn C key
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[10:23] <Betablocker> i think it worked but i did not test it because i had no mobile computer - laptops were complete out of reach in my price range in the early 90es
[10:23] <Betablocker> looks strange with a dude with a pc sitting in a telephone box :D
[10:23] <Lonefish> did it work for internet too?
[10:23] <Betablocker> i think so
[10:24] <Lonefish> sounds logic actually since you're using dial-up..
[10:24] <Lonefish> never thought of it that way, just thought of it for free phone-calls
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[10:25] <shiftplusone> I never did any messing around with phones =(. There was one... cut a strip of thin plastic, push the change slot door and slip the plastic strip through. On the phones in Melbourne, it would make the coins you put in drop though but still be counted.
[10:25] <Betablocker> https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.classiccomputer.de%2Fams%2Fcpc464main.jpg&f=1
[10:26] <Betablocker> taht was my first machine :D
[10:26] <Betablocker> omg !
[10:26] <toomanyerrors> shiftplusone: alternates?
[10:26] <Betablocker> got it when i was round 10 years old
[10:26] <Betablocker> i feel old when i see this machine out of hell !
[10:27] <shiftplusone> toomanyerrors: don't know of the alternatives, I'd just launch the emulators from the menu or put the icons on the desktop
[10:27] <toomanyerrors> ok
[10:28] <Lonefish> my first (well the one I worked on, and later got it from my parents) was "already" a pentium 1
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[10:31] <toomanyerrors> my first(6,7 years back) were my parents' pc: a CRT intel aio and a beige thing
[10:32] <Armand> First PC I ever used was an IBM XT.. First one I build for myself was a Pentium 133.
[10:32] <Armand> We did have a CPC 464, but that was just ****
[10:33] <toomanyerrors> this is my first own pc
[10:33] <toomanyerrors> even so i have to share when others need it
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[10:34] <Armand> I bought my wife a laptop, to avoid just that. :P
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[10:34] <Lonefish> ahaha
[10:34] <Lonefish> Mine runs linux
[10:34] <Armand> Even then.. my PC is still in storage. �_�
[10:34] <Lonefish> She can't use linux
[10:34] <Armand> Win8 on her laptop.. not like I'm ever using it. lol
[10:35] <Lonefish> anyone actually using win10? and happy/not happy?
[10:36] <Armand> I tried it on someone elses.. seems just as bad as 8.
[10:36] <akar> nahhh never use windows 10..
[10:36] <mfa298> Lonefish: I'm quite happy with win10, but then I didn't find win8.1 too bad either
[10:37] <mgottschlag> imho, the GUI has become slightly better, the compatibility for old applications has become worse though
[10:37] <akar> stable broadband connection is a must to install win10
[10:37] <Armand> os[martin@Charizard, Linux 3.19.0-32-generic x86_64]
[10:37] <mfa298> and windows 10 finally has virtual desktops - something linux (and other unixes) have had for years
[10:37] <Armand> Derp
[10:37] <mgottschlag> Windows 10 doesn't have two completely independent UIs anymore, but still has two completely independent system settings dialogs... doesn't make it any less confusing
[10:37] <Armand> Mint 17 :P
[10:37] <akar> ever heard SQL Server will be published on linux
[10:38] <akar> arch here...
[10:38] <akar> @Armand what OS you use for raspberry?
[10:38] <toomanyerrors> mine too linux
[10:38] <Armand> Raspbian
[10:38] <Lonefish> so worth the upgrade? I don't find win8.1 too bad either, I never use metro tho
[10:38] <akar> at least MS will move to open community
[10:38] <Armand> I need to work on that wifi AP stuffs. :/
[10:39] <toomanyerrors> what be a virtual desktop
[10:39] <Armand> Additional desktops alongside the main..
[10:39] <toomanyerrors> oh
[10:39] <toomanyerrors> workspaces
[10:39] <Armand> I've never really used those. Couldn't see the point
[10:39] <Lonefish> toomanyerrors: http://mozillaquest.com/Linux4Windows/Linux4Windows08/MDK10_desktop-pager_1x4_482x381.jpg
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[10:40] <mgottschlag> I'd always do the upgrade from 8.1 to 10
[10:40] <mfa298> they're very useful when you have lots of terminals open, or working on a couple of different projects
[10:40] <Armand> I have 2x 24" monitors.. Does me ok without needing additional desktops
[10:40] <dark0ne> Lonefish: yes I did live through the 90s fully. Good times. I look back on it with nostalgia hehe
[10:40] <mgottschlag> well, although windows 10 requires additional software to stop it from calling home
[10:40] <Lonefish> I use it on laptop mostly
[10:40] <Lonefish> define calling home?
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[10:41] <dark0ne> MDK10 desktop pager -> reminds me of the game MDK, Murder Death Kill
[10:41] <mgottschlag> eh... you can't disable the anonymous statistics being sent to microsoft servers
[10:42] <mgottschlag> there is third party software which redirects several domains to via the hosts file though
[10:42] <mfa298> Armand: even with dual screens I've used them a fair bit, but then I've often had lots of terminals open to different servers in different locations. Knowing that all the terminals I can see at that time are for one project/task/site can be useful.
[10:42] <Lonefish> but ofcourse someone in a dark basement found a way around?
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[10:42] <hrw> hi
[10:42] <Armand> mfa298: I probably should shove some terminals around, but I tend to name the tabs. :)
[10:43] <Lonefish> will look into upgrading then, thanks mgottschlag and all ^^
[10:43] <toomanyerrors> the hell
[10:43] <Lonefish> hi hrw
[10:43] <toomanyerrors> i just downloaded a 1.9 mb archive
[10:43] <hrw> someone know why rpi3 says "�������2�|�r���n���p�2Lln��n�������l�`~�n���nn��b�n��l�r���nbl�2" on serial line instead of useful kernel log? usb-serial adapter, gnd/tx/rx only, 115200n8, no flow control
[10:43] <toomanyerrors> i open it
[10:43] <toomanyerrors> bam
[10:43] <toomanyerrors> 14 files total 40.9 mb
[10:44] <Armand> 100MB tar.gz.. contents = 310MB
[10:44] <shiftplusone> hrw: you need force_turbo=1 or.... I forget the other one.... core_freq=400, maybe.
[10:44] <mgottschlag> hrw: that indeed looks a lot like baud rate issues... does your adapter support any auto-baud feature?
[10:44] <BurtyB> hrw, serial is a bit wonky see https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/issues/553
[10:45] <mgottschlag> (although... if you checked the baud rate on both sides, that should already be correct)
[10:45] <mgottschlag> I just played with an ESP8266, and the UART of that chip is horrible, both when it comes to baud rates and because the RX pin seems to suck horrible amounts of currents -.-
[10:45] <hrw> thanks
[10:46] <toomanyerrors> 200mb ubuntu archive
[10:46] <toomanyerrors> comes to 2.4 gb i think
[10:46] <toomanyerrors> the pi install files from official site
[10:47] <shiftplusone> mgottschlag: is that something that can be fixed with a resistor or does it require the current?
[10:47] <hrw> gpu_freq=300 core_freq=300 gave other type of shit ;D so on good way
[10:47] <hrw> toomanyerrors: check 'unpack bomb' if you are interested in 'how much space can unpacked archive take'
[10:48] <mgottschlag> shiftplusone: apparently, cheap CH340G USB serial adapters cannot provide enough current on the TX pin... I built a push-pull stage from two BJT transistors, and suddenly the voltage levels were right again
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[10:48] <mgottschlag> the debugging involved a lot of hair pulling until I found one weird bug report which described the issue
[10:48] <shiftplusone> weird
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[10:49] <shiftplusone> hardware can be fun like that sometimes
[10:49] <mgottschlag> it always is
[10:49] <mgottschlag> although the ESP8266 seems to be particularly weird
[10:50] <shiftplusone> lots of cool stuff being done with it though
[10:50] <t3chguy> mgottschlag: strange, I have an esp8266 board with an onboard ch340g which has no onboard transistors and works fine...
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[10:51] <hrw> gpu_freq=250 helped
[10:51] <hrw> thanks
[10:51] <mgottschlag> yeah, all the nodemcu boards use that chip... maybe the issue is specific to those dedicated USB-serial sticks
[10:51] <t3chguy> mgottschlag: not all, I have two nodemcu boards with the cp2102
[10:51] <mgottschlag> I don't understand the problem, I only know that the additional buffer fixed the problem
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[10:51] <dark0ne> Seems like there are some hardware guys here. If I may launch a question..
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[10:52] <t3chguy> these are my primaries http://cdn3.bigcommerce.com/s-vt19phz/product_images/uploaded_images/nodemcu-v2-lua-based-esp8266-development-kit-from-tronixlabs-australia.jpg
[10:52] <t3chguy> though I tend to use bare ESP-07s nowadays
[10:52] <t3chguy> dark0ne: don't ask to ask, just ask
[10:52] <dark0ne> How would I go about writing data to the SPI flash, to a specific address range?
[10:55] <mgottschlag> dark0ne: I just did a quick search... apparently, different SPI flash chips even use incompatible protocols (especially atmel parts), so you need to look into the specific datasheet
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[10:56] <mgottschlag> https://www.adestotech.com/wp-content/uploads/doc2595.pdf describes spi flash programming for certain Atmel flash chips and certain Atmel microcontrollers, quite some information might be transferable though
[10:57] <mgottschlag> http://www.avrfreaks.net/comment/155918#comment-155918 contains example code for AT45* flash chips
[10:57] <dark0ne> Alright, I'm starting from about 0 here so all info is welcome :) Thanks btw
[10:58] <toomanyerrors> ch340gs are used on cheap clone arduinos
[10:58] <mgottschlag> maybe just read that application note first to get a feeling
[10:58] <mfa298> dark0ne: what language are you planning to use for this ?
[10:59] <dark0ne> C/C++, or anything that will allow me to write to the flash really
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[11:00] <mfa298> I think most popular languages have options for talking spi
[11:00] <mgottschlag> anything with GPIO support works... hardware SPI support is a plus, but maybe not even useful if bit-banging SPI helps you to understand the basics
[11:00] <hrw> why rpi lacks reset button ;(
[11:00] <mgottschlag> but, if in doubt, start with C and use wiringPi :)
[11:00] <shiftplusone> hrw: there are pins you can add one to.
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[11:01] <hrw> shiftplusone: those ones near usb ports and pins header?
[11:02] <shiftplusone> yes sir
[11:02] <hrw> shiftplusone: thx
[11:03] <mfa298> dark0ne: for my intial spi playing I think I made use of https://raw.githubusercontent.com/raspberrypi/linux/rpi-3.10.y/Documentation/spi/spidev_test.c as some documentation
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[11:05] <mfa298> although wiringPi probably makes for an easier start (I'm not sure it does anything particularly clever with spi, just wraps the kernel functions)
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[11:15] <gordonDrogon> oddly enough just had an email about SPI & wiringPi.
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[12:51] <icemanbp> t3chguy: I bought similar board from adafruit
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[13:10] <camjac251> Hello
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[13:18] <camjac251> anyone use plex media player with kodi on their pi2?
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[13:31] <sobczyk> hi, are there any plans to connect ethernet & usb directly to the CPU? it really pains me that 4 USB and ethernet are bound by usb2.0 max throughput
[13:32] <shiftplusone> sobczyk: raspberry pi don't announce things like that before they happen, so nobody knows.
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[13:33] <shiftplusone> Though I personally don't see the problem. It's faster than my internet connection, I can stream video at home, transfer files as fast as they can be written and so on. Haven't hit that particular bottleneck myself yet.
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[13:34] <defsdoor> shiftplusone, some of us have 200mb at home ;)
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[13:34] <camjac251> hello
[13:34] <defsdoor> :p
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[13:35] <camjac251> anyone run plex media player and kodi on their raspi2?
[13:35] <ozzzy> you really want to take up CPU time handling external I/O
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[13:35] <camjac251> Im trying to dual boot the two
[13:35] <camjac251> berryboot seems like my only option
[13:37] <defsdoor> with shared data ?
[13:37] <defsdoor> if not why not just swap sd cards
[13:38] <camjac251> http://www.berryterminal.com/doku.php/berryboot
[13:39] <camjac251> swapping sd cards seems like a tedious task, would like something simpler
[13:39] <camjac251> since I'd be switching between the two quite often
[13:39] <defsdoor> get a 2nd pi :)
[13:39] <ozzzy> run a Windows based computer and you can run Plex and Kodi as you wish
[13:40] <camjac251> i'd need hdmi cec support
[13:40] <defsdoor> run synergys
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[13:41] <defsdoor> camjac251, what does plex offer that kodi doesnt ? (not used plex)
[13:41] <ozzzy> from my limited experience with Plex it's not good
[13:42] <camjac251> I will only use kodi for live tv viewing
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[13:42] <camjac251> Plex is great
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[13:43] <defsdoor> hmm just looked at website and saw the word "buy"
[13:43] <defsdoor> no thanks
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[13:49] <swift110-phone> Hello all
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[13:53] <Mia> Hey all -- I'm looking for a small hardware accelerated plug and play screen for rpi
[13:53] <Mia> any recommendations ?
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[13:53] <shiftplusone> How small?
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[13:53] <Mia> around 3 inches
[13:53] <Mia> or maybe 4
[13:53] <Mia> not 5
[13:53] <shiftplusone> Well, if you want hw acceleration, the official screen is the only way to go, so I suppose it doesn't really matter.
[13:54] <Mia> shiftplusone, why, all hdmi oens use hw accel.
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[13:54] <shiftplusone> Ah, figured you meant something other than HDMI or composite
[13:54] <Mia> oh is it bad to use hdmi
[13:54] <shiftplusone> Not at all
[13:54] <Mia> (no idea what composite is)
[13:54] <Mia> shiftplusone, well hdmi works as well, but I can't find any smaller than 5 inches
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[13:55] <shiftplusone> does RCA make more sense than composite?
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[13:55] <shiftplusone> The old way to hook up a vcr to the tv.... dvd player perhaps.
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[13:55] <Mia> hmm
[13:56] <Mia> so hdmi is a newer technology I assume
[13:56] <Mia> I'm new at all this stuff
[13:56] <phil42> rca is a kind of connector for composite
[13:56] <shiftplusone> You can use a car reversing camera screen thing using composite, for example
[13:56] <phil42> rca phono jack
[13:56] <ozzzy> composite uses RCA
[13:56] <Mia> oh okay
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[13:56] <Mia> well I'm looking for a plug an play tiny screen solution (with hardwre accel) on rpi3
[13:56] <phil42> only the older pis have it
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[13:57] <Mia> what I mean by plug and play: plug the screen and you have vision
[13:57] <shiftplusone> phil42: new ones do too
[13:57] <phil42> not rca phono jack
[13:57] <Mia> I have a 3.5 inch tft but you have to modify kernel for it
[13:57] <Mia> and it's not hw accelerated
[13:57] <shiftplusone> ah, I thought you meant there was no composite at all
[13:57] <shiftplusone> Yeah, the connector has changed
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[14:01] <Mia> so just to confirm, all hdmi screens have hw accel. right?
[14:03] <shiftplusone> hdmi, composite, dsi and vga (with the vga666 board), yes.
[14:03] <Mia> why not, for hats ?
[14:03] <shiftplusone> what?
[14:03] <pksato> spi/gpio ttf displays.
[14:04] <pksato> These are controlled by CPU, not GPU.
[14:04] <ozzzy> hdmi is just a way of moving signals off a board/computer... hw accel is something else
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[14:05] <Mia> ozzzy, well tft hats do not display opengl content
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[14:06] <Mia> how should I refer to this
[14:06] <realies> is the new wd hdd worth it?
[14:06] <Mia> realies, are you ever going to need 300gb on your rpi
[14:07] <shiftplusone> realies: I decided to skip it. I have a 1TB WDD external drive which has served me well enough so far
[14:07] <realies> I was considering the 1tb version
[14:07] <shiftplusone> WD passport ultra also works for me without problems, but isn't externally powered.
[14:08] <stevie86> Hi! I need help please registrating my number for use with yowsup - whatsup on raspberry pi
[14:08] <stevie86> i get python yowsup-cli registration --requestcode sms --phone 4369910860056 --cc 43 --mcc 232 -mnc and i get python yowsup-cli registration --requestcode sms --phone 4369910860056 --cc 43 --mcc 232 -mnc
[14:08] <realies> the thing that got my attention is that its low powered
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[14:09] <Mia> hm I never need that much on a rpi
[14:09] <Mia> so I wouldn't know
[14:09] <Mia> I'm fine with sd card
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[14:10] <realies> i need to compare power consumption n price
[14:11] <realies> with the my passport
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[14:13] <stevie86> i get python yowsup-cli registration --requestcode sms --phone 4369910860056 --cc 43 --mcc 232 -mnc and i get INFO:yowsup.common.http.warequest:{"status":"fail","reason":"bad_param","param":"sim_mcc"}
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[14:19] <Mia> https://www.adafruit.com/products/2453 whats this
[14:19] <Mia> I mean how does this work ? without framebuffers
[14:19] <shiftplusone> It does use a framebuffer
[14:20] <Mia> "his display is 'native' so it gets all the graphics accelleration capabilities, instant refresh, etc. you would get from an HDMI display"
[14:20] <Mia> this is what it says
[14:20] <Mia> tft hat's can't display accelerated grapgics because of framebuffers
[14:20] <Mia> I mean you have to manually do a lot of config to be able to do that
[14:21] <pksato> Mia: this use DPI port (see about gert's VGA666). Is accelerated.
[14:21] <Mia> pksato, hmmm are there any tft's that does not need this unity, an use dpi port natively
[14:23] <pksato> all parallel TTL (3v3) panel can be connected to DPI port. Just need propper wiring and firmware code.
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[14:24] <Mia> pksato, hmmm so I'm wondering which displays support it natively
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[14:24] <Mia> I mean wiring things myself is not something I believe I can do at this point
[14:24] <shiftplusone> That's an interesting display. I didn't know there were any out there like that which didn't just use SPI or I2C
[14:25] <pksato> adafruit board is just a connector converter.
[14:25] <Mia> shiftplusone, yes it'sn ot the display, it's the hat like ting
[14:25] <Mia> *thing
[14:25] <pksato> very old notebook and monitor use TTL interface.
[14:26] <pksato> and other devices that have display.
[14:27] <pksato> but, you lost all GPIO pins.
[14:27] <Mia> well I won't use any gpio pins
[14:27] <Mia> I mean this looks like the only option to me at this point
[14:28] <Mia> because I can't seem to find a hdmi screen that's smaller than 5 inches
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[14:30] <pksato> the board and https://www.adafruit.com/products/1596
[14:30] <Mia> pksato, yes but this needs the additional kippah unit
[14:31] <Mia> too many pieces, too much space -- I'm trying to build my minimal portable rpi
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[14:31] <Mia> I'll take out all the usbs and ethernet on my pi to make it thinner
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[14:32] <pksato> DPI Kippah it not big that rpi board.
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[14:33] <Mia> pksato, I need to find a chinese clone of that also
[14:33] <Mia> :/
[14:33] <hrw> heh. why rpi mmc driver in uboot is soo slow ;(
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[14:48] <niklaas> From pictures of the new rpi3, I get the impression that the leds moved to some other place on the board. Is that true? I am wondering whether I can reuse the case I got for my rpi2.
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[14:49] <BurtyB> niklaas, they've moved down the side nearer the micro usb
[14:49] <shiftplusone> niklaas: LEDs have moved to the other side to make room for the wifi antenna
[14:50] <shiftplusone> and the microsd slot is friction fit rather than the clicky push-push type, so it may be harder to get the card out in most cases.
[14:50] <shiftplusone> I have a bit of tape stuck to each of my card to take them out of cases
[14:51] <niklaas> BurtyB, shiftplusone: thanks for the reply. Good to know. So I guess I'll wait until my favourite case will be adapted for rpi3.
[14:51] <shiftplusone> Which case is that?
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[14:52] <niklaas> By a German guy, quite unpopular, I guess, but beautiful: http://www.holzkischtle.de/
[14:52] <niklaas> shiftplusone: ^
[14:52] <niklaas> It has some small holes in the case for the LEDs.
[14:52] <niklaas> That's why I asked.
[14:53] <shiftplusone> got it
[14:53] <BurtyB> niklaas, if you can flip the end around they'd probably line up
[14:54] <shiftplusone> and opening the case up to take the card out doesn't sound like too much of a pain either.
[14:55] <niklaas> I already sent the guy who is building the case an email. Maybe he'll advance his design a bit. :-)
[14:56] <niklaas> the fact that there's wifi built-in on the new model makes it a must-have for me.
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[15:01] <Stavros_> Really bad wifi, but better than nothing
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[15:01] <shiftplusone> Haven't used it much, but it seemed okay.
[15:02] <shiftplusone> Have seen a lot of posts on the forum where people had a less than optimal experience though.
[15:02] <Stavros_> well it's got no monitor mode, and it's got a teency weency antenna so the range is limited
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[15:03] <Stavros_> that's aside from all the release issues, which is just business as usual
[15:03] <shiftplusone> Hey, it's not the size that matters
[15:04] <shiftplusone> But hey, it's a 'free' upgrade... no price bump so can't really complain. Doesn't stop a lot of people, but I wouldn't.
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[15:05] <Stavros_> Same, I do love having the usb slot freed up.
[15:05] <sobczyk> it's a shame there's not antenna connector, like SMA
[15:05] <Stavros_> But I think RPF should have been more foreward about the quality of the inbuilt wifi
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[15:07] <shiftplusone> Stavros_: as far as I know, it passed all the tests and broadcom is being poked about the known issues, so I suspect the situation will improve.
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[15:10] <gordonDrogon> I understand it is possible to solder your own antennae on the board if you wish...
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[15:14] <Apocx> does it have a chip antenna or something by default?
[15:14] <Apocx> they should have just included a uFL connector... :/
[15:15] <gordonDrogon> the Pi v3? yes, a chip antenna ... do keep up at the back :)
[15:15] <Apocx> sorry was busy ordering stencils :D
[15:15] <gordonDrogon> cost ... keep the cost under $35...
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[15:16] <Apocx> yeah but there comes a point where having it $36 instead might just be more beneficial than saving every penny to get it to $35. But then again people complain that it costs even that, so I guess you can't win
[15:17] <shauno> sometimes, how much it's gone up, isn't so important as "it's gone up"
[15:17] <Stavros_> very true
[15:17] <Apocx> no doubt
[15:18] <shiftplusone> When there are multiple options, no matter which one you pick, people will be people to complain. If the audience is large enough anyway. =(
[15:18] <Stavros_> I think the best thing that could happen for the RPF is for a competitor to start catering to the enthusiast/high performance crowd
[15:18] <shiftplusone> People complained about the price of the pi zero going up a few pence, but it was exactly in line with the exchange rate changes.
[15:19] <shiftplusone> Stavros_: plenty of boards out there that do
[15:19] <Apocx> most of those boards have terrible software support and community support though
[15:19] <Stavros_> ^^
[15:19] <Apocx> or are extremely expensive
[15:19] <Apocx> (like >$150)
[15:19] <shiftplusone> They lack community and run windows 3.1... or a similarly old version of the linux kernel.
[15:19] <daey> i want a board with multiple ethernet ports and 2 sata connectors :/
[15:19] <Stavros_> They may have the hardware (although Allwinner chips aren't exactly top of the line) but without the support all that power is wasted
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[15:22] <shiftplusone> To some extent the people who bash the pi and say the other boards are better actually just don't like the raspberry pi foundation. I saw someone complain about the pi for a significant amount of time and then gloss over the fact that he couldn't get his other board, which is so much better than the pi, to boot. =/
[15:22] <shiftplusone> Ah well, to each their own.
[15:22] <gordonDrogon> daey, plenty of intel/amd boards that fit that bill.
[15:22] <gordonDrogon> I'm still using Atom boards for small home/office servers.
[15:22] <Stavros_> shiftplusone: which is perhaps the most bizarre stance a person can take
[15:23] <Stavros_> I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but RPF seem squeeky clean
[15:24] <gordonDrogon> I almost think the Pi hardware in incidental to the comunity who're passionate about education, myself ...
[15:24] <gordonDrogon> the hardware is a means to an end.
[15:24] <Stavros_> It says enough that they've got a market that would happily pay them £100 for a high performance board and that they're resolutely sticking to their core goal
[15:25] <Stavros_> They're turning down a hella lot of money.
[15:25] <gordonDrogon> most schoolkids don't have a spare �100...
[15:25] <gordonDrogon> it was tough enough in the 80's with the BBC Micro at �400...
[15:25] <Stavros_> That's my point: they're very obviously not financially motivated, which is a good thing in my book
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[15:26] <Apocx> true, but I wish they were a *little* more financially motivated... I'm still waiting on the new Pi Compute Module :(
[15:27] <Armand> shiftplusone: I've NEVER slated any rPi as "incapable", but I think anyone buying should consider the specification and limitations.
[15:28] <Armand> As an example, I'm looking to build an Apache cluster.. as I have access to full 1Gbps networking, I want to use that.. So, the LAN port isn't up to it.
[15:28] <gordonDrogon> Armand, ALIX boards ...
[15:29] <Armand> Probably a little OTT.. ;)
[15:29] <gordonDrogon> while the Pi is UTT (under the top)
[15:29] <gordonDrogon> can't have it all...
[15:29] <Armand> Especially cost.. I think they start around $129 + parts.
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[15:29] <Armand> The ODroids are the cheaper option for me.
[15:29] <gordonDrogon> are you using them?
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[15:29] <Armand> Not yet.. Grabbing 4 XU4s when I go back to NJ. ;)
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[15:31] <Stavros_> that thing sure is tempting
[15:31] <Mia> when I do cd root I get "permission denied" on raspberrypi raspbian
[15:31] <Armand> Very.. especially paying 7% tax, rather than 20% :P
[15:31] <Mia> how can I overcome this
[15:31] <Mia> sudo cd root is not executable
[15:31] <Armand> cd /
[15:31] <Armand> ?
[15:32] <Armand> Ohh.. You can't sudo "cd"
[15:32] <Mia> Armand, when I "ls" in /, there is a folder called root
[15:32] <Mia> I'm trying to go into it
[15:33] <shiftplusone> sudo -i then cd /root, do your thing then 'exit'
[15:33] <Armand> You should be able to 'cd /root' but you need "sudo" to do stuff in there. ;)
[15:33] <BurtyB> reminds me I need to get back to looking at the network device going awol on my xu4 :/
[15:33] <Mia> hmm okay, let me check
[15:33] <Mia> thanks!
[15:33] <Armand> ~ $ cd /root
[15:33] <Armand> bash: cd: /root: Permission denied
[15:33] <Armand> lolz
[15:34] <Armand> I'm so used to having root access, that I forget sudo stuffs. :P
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[15:36] <daey> gordonDrogon: to much consumption
[15:36] <daey> too
[15:37] <daey> but yes. a nuc would be the ideal platform
[15:38] <Stavros_> lol, just read a review of the XU4
[15:39] <Stavros_> Seems like the perfect SBC if you're capable of compiling your own kernel / writing your own drivers :p
[15:40] <shiftplusone> Can't everyone?
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[15:40] <Stavros_> :p
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[15:41] <Armand> Stavros_: No such need. ;)
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[15:47] <Armand> gordonDrogon: Trying to get my mitts on a Dell R610 to testbed the set up.. So annoying having to wait for decomm servers. �_�
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[15:48] <Armand> I'm hoping it's a dual Xeon E5620 with 48GB RAM
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[15:51] <shauno> sounds like this place. "waiting for someone with a budget to throw some out"
[15:52] <Armand> Nah.. I snag older servers when we replace them. :)
[15:52] <shauno> our 'lab' is almost entirely sourced from the recycling bin :/
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[15:56] <DWKnight> if the people you're getting these comps from is simply outgrowing them and not actually wrecking them before you get them, it's very handy
[15:56] <Armand> I work for a webhosting provider.. these are old rolling stock.
[15:57] <gordonDrogon> I've given up with my datacentre stuff. slowly winding it down.
[15:57] <Armand> We replace the servers after a few years, they might need a drive replaced at most.
[15:57] <DWKnight> some of this stuff I wouldn't mind buying just to play around with
[15:57] <gordonDrogon> It's at the point where I really don't care anymore about the latest, greatest, this, that or the other.
[15:57] <Armand> gordonDrogon: Ship it my way. ^_^
[15:57] <DWKnight> mostly rackmount servers to build a compile farm out of
[15:57] <gordonDrogon> I'm moving to someone elses VPSs, somewhere else.
[15:57] <gordonDrogon> Armand, ship what? 6 year old servers?
[15:57] <Armand> Hell yeah
[15:58] <gordonDrogon> buyer collect ...
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[15:58] <gordonDrogon> (from Devon)
[15:58] <Armand> I've got a P4 630 in the office and a dual P3 out back. :P
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[15:58] <Armand> gordonDrogon: Depends on the costing, but I could have it collected easy enough.
[15:58] <DWKnight> get another GRR-6L case and have 5 1u servers with a switch and pdu in slot six
[15:58] <Armand> If the specs and price are worth the effort.
[15:59] <gordonDrogon> it'll take me a few months to wind it all down and sort out the boxes though. I've a trip (or 2) to sheffield to make to get them. I'll keep a few going for friends/family, etc.
[15:59] <gordonDrogon> given that I have 10Mb out at home I might even go back to "bedroom ISP" mode too...
[15:59] <Armand> Lawd
[15:59] <gordonDrogon> back to the kitchen. laterz.
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[17:26] <TreyHarris> So I discussed the other day heading on the road and needing a way to connect to my Pi without a keyboard or monitor, and settled on putting a static rfc 1918 address into "ip=" into /boot/cmdline.txt--that way I could connect an Ethernet cable to it and ssh in that way.
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[17:27] <niston> blah
[17:27] <TreyHarris> Well... I brilliantly managed to forget my laptop's Ethernet adapter. I have *brief* (like, 10m) access to a USB keyboard and HDMI monitor in a bit
[17:27] <niston> pimoroni got a shipment today
[17:27] <niston> but zeros only already sold out
[17:27] <TreyHarris> Trying to come up with the best way to rectify
[17:27] <niston> :|
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[17:28] <TreyHarris> By which I mean, wondering what my best shot at getting it in a state where it will boot up after that so that the WiFi is connectable from my Mac
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[17:29] <methuzla> why is it currently not bootable?
[17:30] <TreyHarris> methuzla: it boots, but I can't communicate with it.
[17:30] <TreyHarris> (Or rather, I have no reason to think it doesn't boot, but I really can't tell one way or the other)
[17:31] <methuzla> attach to monitor and use keyboard to edit files as needed?
[17:31] <TreyHarris> methuzla: like I said, yes, I have about 10 minutes a few minutes from now to use a keyboard and monitor
[17:31] <TreyHarris> but that's not sufficient for everything I need to actually do with the Pi
[17:31] <niston> which should be plenty :P
[17:31] <TreyHarris> so I need to...
[17:32] <TreyHarris> niston: I agree, but I want to be sure what I do will work since I can't come back for a second chance if it doesn't
[17:32] <hypermist> lol niston i just saw your message a bout the pi0's they came back in stock WHEN I HAD NO DAMN MONEYS :(
[17:32] <ozzzy> you didn't have 5 bux?
[17:32] <niston> hypermist: the other day I tried ordering from adafruit
[17:32] <ozzzy> wow
[17:33] <niston> before I was able to complete the order
[17:33] <hypermist> no i didn't ozzzy i have no damn job
[17:33] <niston> a message came up saying they sold out
[17:33] <hypermist> Damn niston
[17:33] <niston> when I started ordering, there were 28 left in stock :<
[17:33] <hypermist> waw
[17:33] <Apocx> click faster!
[17:33] <niston> yeah
[17:33] <niston> I think I'll have to make a script
[17:33] <niston> that will place an order whenever stock shows up
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[17:34] <niston> or else I wont be able to ever place an order.
[17:34] <hypermist> you know how hard it is being a kid my age with no job ozzzy ?
[17:34] <Apocx> *nistons ends up with hundreds of Zeros and a negative bank balance*
[17:34] <niston> Apocx: that would be great
[17:34] <methuzla> TreyHarris you're wanting to config pi so you can access via wifi (because you don't have wired hardware)?
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[17:34] <niston> I'd sell them all on ebay for $50 and be rich
[17:35] <Apocx> ha
[17:35] <hypermist> niston, if i had a credit card i'd totally do that
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[17:35] <hypermist> Just for the heck of i want all the pi0's
[17:35] <hypermist> xD
[17:35] <TreyHarris> methuzla: neither wired hardware nor a WiFi AP. Just the laptop and the Pi.
[17:35] <niston> well nah
[17:35] <niston> I want them for myself
[17:35] <niston> ALL MINE!!!!
[17:35] <hypermist> I cannot get a credit card
[17:35] <hypermist> I am not 18
[17:35] <hypermist> :p
[17:35] * niston squints jealously @ channel
[17:35] <hypermist> and i have no job
[17:35] <hypermist> xD
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[17:36] <methuzla> TreyHarris then i think you've got 10 minutes
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[17:36] <niston> hmm
[17:36] <niston> scripting the payment could be tricky
[17:36] <nomic> what would cause micro sd card to get incredibly hot then It won't read from anywhere
[17:36] <nomic> now my pi won't boot (pi3)
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[17:36] <Apocx> bad things
[17:36] <niston> think I'll have to hire some chinese ppl to place orders for me
[17:36] <nomic> have burnt mate to a 2nd sd card that
[17:36] <TreyHarris> methuzla: ? right, 10 minutes to setup the WiFi configuration such that it will connect to my laptop in ad-hoc wifi mode
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[17:37] <hypermist> yea it would be niston
[17:37] <hypermist> because most payment gateways dont allow cred's via the api
[17:37] <hypermist> heh
[17:37] <methuzla> you said you didn't have wifi
[17:37] <niston> well I wouldnt use apis
[17:37] <niston> I'd screen scrape and HTTP POST
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[17:37] <hypermist> I know but thats just one of the things most people would do
[17:37] <hypermist> if they didn't know what the hell they were doing
[17:38] <hypermist> (AKA ME!) :p
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[17:38] <niston> heh
[17:38] <methuzla> TreyHarris what model pi?
[17:38] <TreyHarris> methuzla: I did? No, I said I had no WiFi AP (access point). If I had an AP, I could connect them both to that essid and ssh across it that way
[17:38] <TreyHarris> methuzla: 2 B
[17:38] <nomic> if its solid red light .. its failed right
[17:39] <niston> you can setup the Pi as an ap
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[17:39] <niston> then connect to it via wifi
[17:39] <nomic> iit plugs in .. solid red light .. nothing from monitor
[17:39] <methuzla> TreyHarris what wifi dongle?
[17:39] <hypermist> that means its not booting nomic i think
[17:39] <niston> nomic: check if sd card is properly inserted
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[17:40] <hypermist> ^ do what niston said nomic haha
[17:40] <TreyHarris> methuzla: edimax
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[17:40] <nomic> im bout to write all this off
[17:40] <methuzla> TreyHarris your wifi dongle will need to support access point mode
[17:41] <hypermist> never give up nomic unless you know forsure its buggered ;p
[17:41] <nomic> & send it back to them (borked)
[17:41] <nomic> sd card reader went very very hot
[17:41] <nomic> card doesn't read now
[17:41] <nomic> 2nd card it won't boot from
[17:41] <niston> well nomic
[17:41] <TreyHarris> though I think I just found a better solution. I just tested and if I turn on the wireless hotspot in my phone, I can ssh from my tablet to my laptop. So I can use the kbd+monitor time to add my phone's hotspot to its list of known networks
[17:41] <niston> you could always call Ed's super fix it
[17:41] <niston> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpH1Zn3hPuI
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[17:41] <nomic> a joke?
[17:41] <methuzla> TreyHarris then you'll need hostapd and a DHCP server (isc-dhcp-server)
[17:41] <nomic> i aint got time for jokes
[17:42] <niston> thats sad
[17:42] <niston> you'll die old and grumpy
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[17:42] <nomic> im dying old and grumpy
[17:42] <nomic> im about to move back to pc / server setup
[17:42] <niston> seriously though, did you check the sd card connector?
[17:42] <nomic> it is in
[17:42] <dedgecumbe> TreyHarris: do you have an sd card reader?
[17:43] <hypermist> lol niston thats waht i thought its fucked
[17:43] <hypermist> LOL
[17:43] <dedgecumbe> TreyHarris: in the past I have just hacked in startup scripts that way.
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[17:43] <TreyHarris> dedgecumbe: no :( but making it connect to my phone should work
[17:43] <dedgecumbe> TreyHarris: i don't use raspbian/gui tools etc but I'm guessing it uses network manager
[17:43] <dedgecumbe> ok
[17:43] <mgottschlag> nomic: whatever you do, you might want to be careful when testing with a different SD card :)
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[17:43] <mgottschlag> if the pi is at fault, the next SD card might release its magic smoke as well
[17:44] <mgottschlag> (if it's the SD card at all... you could check that by trying it in a different device)
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[17:44] <mgottschlag> if SD cards become warm, that's not unusual though
[17:44] <dedgecumbe> TreyHarris: wrt the static ip
[17:44] <methuzla> TreyHarris so essentially you do have an AP now
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[17:44] <dedgecumbe> TreyHarris: it is not that difficult to find the pi if it's been given a dhcp address
[17:45] <nomic> ok thnks
[17:45] <nomic> sometimes I had to write image a few times
[17:45] <dedgecumbe> TreyHarris: nmap -p 22 (if / is the subnet)
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[17:45] <dedgecumbe> rpi should show port 22 open
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[17:46] <nomic> i used something diff to wrrit it
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[17:46] <niston> hmmm
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[17:46] <niston> "This latest music video made by The Black Satans was shot in the mountains of wintery Norway during the darkest time of the year, except that it was in Finland and in midsummer."
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[17:47] <nomic> its ok
[17:47] <nomic> ok i know what I did
[17:48] <nomic> wrote the xz image to it
[17:48] <niston> ah yes
[17:48] <niston> blowtorch?
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[17:48] <mgottschlag> internal short circuit cause by some hardware defect
[17:49] <nomic> cheers up a bit
[17:49] <nomic> :|
[17:49] <mgottschlag> (even if SD cards become hot during regular use, they should never be damaged from that)
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[17:50] <nomic> omxplayer stopped working
[17:50] <nomic> some reason
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[17:50] <nomic> then I wrote the image to my local drive
[17:50] <nomic> lol
[17:51] <nomic> was watching corbyn
[17:51] <nomic> been coding since 3am
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[17:52] <nomic> was funny cos I watched my system MELT in front of eyes .. it was steadily being obliterated .. until I had a black screen (my background) .. no panel .. that sort of stuttered & went .. and I had irc and 1 firefox open
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[17:52] <nomic> im thinkign 'wut did I do'
[17:52] <nomic> occurred to me 1.5 minutes later
[17:52] <nomic> wrong device
[17:52] <nomic> i actually wrote it to sda
[17:52] <mgottschlag> :D
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[17:56] <Tenkawa> Anyone know off the top what the port settings on the host and remote side both should be for a ftdi cable serial hooked up to a pi 3?
[17:56] <Tenkawa> I seem to have the wrong settings once I update the dtb
[17:56] <nomic> reckon this will be ok .. smoke did not appear
[17:56] <nomic> that dd / ddrescue = indiscriminate .. it will write anything (not even an image0
[17:57] <nomic> yep .. its blocks
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[18:03] <devster31> anyone using pydio or owncloud on their rpi?
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[18:03] <nomic> gotta love mate cos its all the same suite .. had tried raspibian .. spent a day trying to get nfs working (no) .. found mate .. had it up in seconds
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[18:05] <TheLostAdmin> nomic, I wasted 2 days trying to get NFS to work with Raspbian. I finally got it working. It required dumping systemd and installing sysvinit.
[18:05] <nomic> i had it working then it failed
[18:05] <nomic> then I looked around for another linux
[18:06] <nomic> as you can .. was unaware of mate .. mate is reallly really good
[18:06] <nomic> as some one said on article "raspibian is for the workshop" "mate is for the office2
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[18:07] <gordonDrogon> nfs just worked for me with raspbian..
[18:07] <gordonDrogon> I even mounted root via nfs at one point.
[18:07] <TheLostAdmin> while I can believe someone said that, I would say that if NFS doesn't work, then it's not ready for anything but a hobby. No NFS is like windows without CIFS.
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[18:08] <nomic> I SEE STRAWBERRIES!!!! :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
[18:08] <nomic> all ok
[18:08] <TheLostAdmin> gordonDrogon, NFS worked with raspbian for me until I tried a fresh Jessie install.
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[18:08] <gordonDrogon> sadly nfs is dying a death in the office now - even a linux shop I visited recently was using CIFS to keep the manglers happy with their win laptops )-:
[18:08] <gordonDrogon> ah, I don't use jessie.
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[18:09] <TheLostAdmin> Oh, specifically, I'm running NFSv4 with no fallback. Older NFS may work with Jessie, but I don't care.
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[18:09] <nomic> but im down a �14 64gb micro sd card
[18:09] <nomic> how did that happen
[18:10] <nomic> i pulled lal the plugs etc out of the pi while it was still booted ie. I didn't close the os
[18:10] <nomic> was that it
[18:10] <nomic> woulda thought it is robust .. poer failures can happen
[18:10] <nomic> w
[18:11] <nomic> this sd card isn't there at all .. its on holder I just formatted the other stuff on
[18:11] <TheLostAdmin> nomic, I believe the Pi supports SDHC but not SDXC (or whatever it is) and * *think* SDHC caps at 32GB (might be wrong) if the spec if followed strictly.
[18:11] <TheLostAdmin> Oh, if you just unplugged the Pi without shutting down, then you probably corrupted the SD card.
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[18:12] <mgottschlag> gordonDrogon: last time I checked, CIFS provided much better security with less work to set it up
[18:12] <TheLostAdmin> If you can put it into another computer and do an FSCK on the ext4 partition, it might work again.
[18:12] <mgottschlag> (at the expense of posix compatibility features though, although I think samba can provide quite some of those)
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[18:12] <gordonDrogon> mgottschlag, depends on how many years you've been using nfs/nis for ... (26 in my case)
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[18:14] <niston> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruKhRwImNqY
[18:14] <niston> radical
[18:14] <niston> how much stuff is left in there
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[18:16] <TheLostAdmin> mgottschlag, NFSv4 uses symbolic names (username) and groups instead of numbers and supports kerberos authentication and link-level encryption. That would make it pretty much as secure as CIFS if you set all that up. I've never actually seen an implementation of the link-level encryption myself.
[18:17] <TheLostAdmin> Actually, with link-level encryption, it could be considered more secure than CIFS.
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[18:31] <methuzla> gordonDrogon is git still the recommended way to install wiringpi?
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[18:36] <Tenkawa> yay.. got it
[18:36] <Tenkawa> now my pi3 is online :)
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[19:19] <TheLostAdmin> when you say "online"; can we all log in and give it a spin or is it just functioning properly?
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[19:21] <quarterback> Does rpi have a cpu fan for continous on applications?
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[19:21] <TheLostAdmin> no
[19:21] <Tenkawa> TheLostAdmin: just for functioning heehee
[19:21] <quarterback> What if it heats up when used a server?
[19:21] <Tenkawa> and wow is it quiet today
[19:22] <Tenkawa> much more than usual
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[19:22] <TheLostAdmin> quarterback, then it should throttle it's CPU to reduce heating. Although, people who have reported experimenting with heating on the Pi generally report that the Pi2 doesn't need a fan or heat sinks.
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[19:24] <SpeedEvil> TheLostAdmin: at norma room temps
[19:24] <H4ndy> My Pi2 runs in a case 24/7 without issues
[19:24] <SpeedEvil> In a very small unventilated case in hot environments, maybe
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[19:24] <SpeedEvil> Where hot >40C
[19:24] <dedgecumbe> quarterback: the rpi2 SoC uses something like a maximum of 2W under full load
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[19:25] <SpeedEvil> A tiny fan under the board works well to cool
[19:25] <dedgecumbe> as far as I am aware the power supply is rated higher for spikes and the other bits like usb power draw
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[19:26] <dedgecumbe> wrt 'what if it heats up'; well, until it breaks or starts thinking 1+1=3?, who cares? :)
[19:28] <gordonDrogon> methuzla, git.drogon.net will get the latest, but I think the foundation is up to date right now, so apt-get ...
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[19:38] <quarterback> TheLostAdmin, Somebody was telling me that RPI was used in ircd server, that didn't seem like a serious server processor to me.
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[19:41] <dedgecumbe> quarterback: irc doesn't seem like a particularly taxing protocol to me
[19:41] <TheLostAdmin> quarterback, I wouldn't know about using an ircd server on a raspberry pi. I do know that people come in here regularly to tell us their CPU heating results and there are also a number of discussions (both new and old) on the Raspberry Pi forums that discuss the subject.
[19:42] <dedgecumbe> quarterback: if you're not using TLS... surely a 286 can run an ircd for some decent number of users
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[19:43] <quarterback> dedgecumbe, Actually I use TLS and SSL, that takes up some CPU processsing. Irc is light but TLS, SSL are cpu intensive.
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[19:43] <dedgecumbe> yes :)
[19:43] <quarterback> Imagine having a few hundred logins with TLS or SSL on the rpi, that would nearly fry the CPU without a CPU fan
[19:43] <dedgecumbe> quarterback: no
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[19:44] <dedgecumbe> quarterback: for one, the rpi (at least rpi3, likely all of them) throttle at temperatures above 85c
[19:44] <quarterback> I mean a few hundred logins with TLS, SSL per second on the RPI with IRC clients
[19:44] <dedgecumbe> secondly, the rpi2 has a low enough TDP that it never heats up to that temp under full load
[19:44] <dedgecumbe> whether or not it can actually handle a hundred logins is a different question
[19:44] <dedgecumbe> the cpu isn't going to melt, we're not in 1998
[19:45] <quarterback> The full load on the CPU can be upto 15 minutes, which is enough
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[19:45] <dedgecumbe> quarterback: i am willing to make the unverified claim that an rpi2 can run at full load for months without issue
[19:45] <dedgecumbe> i'm not sure why you have this idea of 'frying' in your mind :)
[19:45] <quarterback> I had really worked on CPU intensive applications, that nearly put the cpu into a dead halt or freeze even Hardware interrupts
[19:46] <Tenkawa> bbl
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[19:46] <dedgecumbe> there is a distinction between trying to do too much and suffering thermal problems... :)
[19:47] <quarterback> How many ircd users can be on the rpi3 with few hundred channels open?
[19:47] <t3chguy> quarterback: thats pretty much impossible to estimate
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[19:48] <t3chguy> I doubt you'd ever reach a CPU limit, you'd quicker reach a bandwidth limit
[19:48] <quarterback> t3chguy, Assuming I have 1 to 2 Terabyte per month bandwidth
[19:48] <t3chguy> quarterback: not that sort of bandwidth
[19:48] <t3chguy> bus bandwidth
[19:48] <quarterback> Right now, I have a server with 2 TB bandwidth, I dont use much of it.
[19:48] <t3chguy> RPi Ethernet is over USB2.0
[19:48] <t3chguy> so is speed-limited
[19:49] <quarterback> t3chguy, I am assuming ethernet speed on RP is 10 mbps or 100 mbps
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[19:49] <t3chguy> with no peripherals, sure, but if you have any peripherals that bus bandwidth will need to be shared
[19:50] <quarterback> What about RAM? How much ram can be added?
[19:50] <t3chguy> you can't add RAM to the Pis
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[19:50] <quarterback> So 512MB is maximum that comes with it
[19:50] <traeak> play games with zram and/or swap
[19:50] <t3chguy> RPi 2/3 have a Gig
[19:51] <traeak> quarterback: you need any video stuffz?
[19:51] <quarterback> A really low cost home computer that can make, I'd say
[19:51] <t3chguy> you could in theory desolder the BGA RAM from the Pi and replace it with a bigger one
[19:51] <t3chguy> but that'd be a lot of pain with a reflow station
[19:51] <quarterback> Does that use hdmi of tv as display?
[19:51] <traeak> i've read that the soc only supports 1gb anyways?
[19:52] <traeak> quarterback: you want a desktop replacemtent?
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[19:52] <t3chguy> quarterback: RPi uses either HDMI (or DVI) or Composite Video
[19:52] <t3chguy> it can also support VGA
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[19:52] <quarterback> t3chguy, You mean DDR ram?
[19:52] <t3chguy> quarterback: no, BGA is a package type
[19:52] <t3chguy> its a BGA chip
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[19:52] <quarterback> BGA is chip packaging size
[19:52] <MY123> traeak: the VC4 supports only 30-bit of RAM addressing
[19:52] <t3chguy> "Ball Grid Array"
[19:52] <nomic> can't resize the partitions because it says its in use (both with gparted and resize on command line)
[19:52] <quarterback> or type
[19:52] <t3chguy> quarterback: not a size at all, there are many BGA Sizes
[19:52] <quarterback> Sorry I mean type
[19:53] <traeak> quarterback: you in the US or elsewhere?
[19:53] <quarterback> traeak, I'm in India
[19:53] <valesi> nomic, what exactly does it say?
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[19:54] <quarterback> People in India seemed very curious of RPI for using as ircd. So I wanted to see what others would say.
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[19:54] <dedgecumbe> quarterback: it would probably be easiest to look at a photo of an rpi2 board
[19:54] <dedgecumbe> or rpi3
[19:54] <dedgecumbe> most questions you are asking can be answered by that... you will see the hdmi port, the lack of slot for ram, the physical size of the device, etc :P
[19:55] <quarterback> The newest board is rpi3 at $35
[19:55] <t3chguy> then look at a picture and spec sheet of that
[19:55] <traeak> rpi3 should be okay, downclock it if you must
[19:55] <traeak> ircd ? not going to tax much of anything
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[19:56] <nomic> sudo gparted should allow me to resize the partition by dragging the roo/thome ext4 across
[19:56] <nomic> it doesn't allow me to
[19:56] <nomic> gives an error message
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[19:58] <nomic> last time I did this, it allowed me to slide the bar across, increse the partition
[19:58] <nomic> accept, write
[19:58] <nomic> now im into this manual procedure with fdisk ..
[19:58] <quarterback> The lack of slot for RAM is a serious problem, no heatsink and no cpu fan are another big issues.
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[19:59] <dedgecumbe> quarterback: this is just daft
[19:59] <dedgecumbe> seriously
[19:59] <dedgecumbe> quarterback: it _does not need_ a fan
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[19:59] <quarterback> For mobile phone applications this is not a issue perhaps
[19:59] <dedgecumbe> it is not powerful enough to heat up
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[19:59] <dedgecumbe> quarterback: my left finger doesn't have a fan on it
[20:00] <dedgecumbe> is that a problem? should I worry about my finger?
[20:00] <nomic> right click to unmount partition?
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[20:00] <t3chguy> quarterback: its based on a mobile SoC, so it does not need a heatsink or FAN
[20:01] <quarterback> t3chguy, Also sd card is very slow
[20:01] <quarterback> IO would be very slow with sd card
[20:01] <t3chguy> quarterback: depends on the SD Card you use. Its not something made for speed, the Pi is designed with Education in mind
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[20:02] <quarterback> t3chguy, I sort of applaud the use of rpi for education.
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[20:02] <quarterback> or for kids who want to build something very cheaply
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[20:07] <quarterback> I think I will run a irc bot on it if it fits well for that :)
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[20:08] <dedgecumbe> quarterback: it costs $30, play around on it and see if it's useful, it sounds like you're expecting a bit much :P
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[20:09] <quarterback> Not too much
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[20:10] <nomic> its cos I didn't unmount
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[20:12] <Encrypt> dedgecumbe, Is your finger able to decrypt AES files with a built-in function? :x
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[20:17] <nomic> can't see "unmount" in gparted
[20:17] <nomic> isn't ghere
[20:17] <dedgecumbe> Encrypt:
[20:17] <dedgecumbe> !
[20:17] <dedgecumbe> Encrypt: i just tried it and my finger doesn't have aes hardware acceleration.
[20:17] <dedgecumbe> Encrypt: now my finger is on fire.
[20:17] <dedgecumbe> thanks a lot.
[20:18] <nomic> shit
[20:18] <nomic> i fugured
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[20:18] <nomic> wuts wrong 9remembere) .. u cannot do it on the machine
[20:18] <Encrypt> dedgecumbe, XD
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[20:20] <quarterback> dedgecumbe, TLS, AES or SSL Logins are very cpu intensive
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[20:20] <nomic> was doing it on the machine (no)
[20:20] <nomic> cos its mounted duh
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[20:21] <dedgecumbe> quarterback: handshakes are generally quite intensive. symmetric crypto like aes isn't that bad on most systems.
[20:22] <dedgecumbe> quarterback: my desktop CPU can theoretically do ~20GB/s AES encryption/decryption. in practice something else is going to be a bottleneck. :P
[20:22] <dedgecumbe> the rpi2 does about 20MB/s per core
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[20:23] <SpeedEvil> dedgecumbe: I saw an interesting bit on using on-core resources to do RAM encryption
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[20:23] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFsoCr589GI&index=24&list=FLBGlboO77mQ_IveRSyp9qpA
[20:23] <SpeedEvil> (for the standard PC, not the pi)
[20:23] <quarterback> dedgecumbe, The newest pentiums have some type of hardware assisted AES crypto features.
[20:23] <quarterback> dedgecumbe, That is because your CPU can do AES stuff with hardware
[20:23] <dedgecumbe> quarterback: without hardware accel I can do 2GB/s
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[20:24] <dedgecumbe> again this is theoretical, no application is simply doing aes flat out on all cores
[20:25] <quarterback> For a server, I wonder how many TLS handshakes can occur per second.
[20:25] <SpeedEvil> dedgecumbe: password crackers
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[20:25] <SpeedEvil> Or related thingies
[20:26] <dedgecumbe> even then there'd be other stuff involved, bashing through the kdf step or whatever
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[20:39] <PCatinean> hey guys! my kit has arrived from hong kong! with the cobbler all messed up and a broken mercury sensor that was leaking (which is not really ok)
[20:39] <PCatinean> but more or less it's here
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[20:39] <PCatinean> Excited to get started on something just not sure what to go with first
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[20:46] <kow_> PCatinean, make a dog tester
[20:46] <PCatinean> wus that?
[20:46] <kow_> just something to test the dog
[20:46] <kow_> make sure it's up to snuff
[20:46] <PCatinean> First I would like to just get the temperature of the room via the digital temperature sensor
[20:46] <kow_> temperature is a good start
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[20:49] <PCatinean> hmm not sure where to stat, a guide or something
[20:49] <PCatinean> I only managed to light up leds from the pi that have resistors incorporated in them
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[20:51] <kow_> PCatinean, https://www.vgl.ucdavis.edu/services/dog.php
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[20:52] <PCatinean> I'm afraid I don't undertand
[20:52] * PCatinean not sure if trolling...
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[20:54] <JakeSays> woo got two of my pi3's today
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[20:56] <Bilby> \o/
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[21:01] <PCatinean> Can anyone help reading the temperature of the digital sensor from this kit: http://www.ebay.com/itm/121851409906?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&var=420844740603&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT ?
[21:01] <niston> congrats JakeSays
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[21:02] <JakeSays> ty ty
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[21:09] <PCatinean> any1? :
[21:09] <PCatinean> :D
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[21:12] <t3chguy> PCatinean: that is not a digital sensor
[21:12] <PCatinean> :(
[21:12] <t3chguy> https://tkkrlab.nl/wiki/Arduino_KY-013_Temperature_sensor_module
[21:13] <PCatinean> I found this resource: https://github.com/marcandreuf/sunfounder-sensors-raspi-4j/blob/master/src/main/resources/Sensor%20Kit%20For%20Raspberry%20Pi/sensor_kit.pdf
[21:13] <PCatinean> I think there's a digital one too, the red one
[21:13] <PCatinean> It sas Digital-temperature sensor
[21:13] <t3chguy> oh thats simply the same thing
[21:13] <t3chguy> but stuck onto an ADC
[21:14] <t3chguy> so yeah, Digital
[21:14] <PCatinean> Sorry not sure what that means :))
[21:14] <t3chguy> ADC is Analogue to Digital Converter
[21:14] <PCatinean> ahhh that makes sense
[21:15] <PCatinean> In that pdf it shows a infrared transmitter
[21:15] <PCatinean> ANd says requires raspberry pi network cable the module and jumper wires
[21:15] <machrider> are there analog pins on the pi's GPIO?
[21:15] <t3chguy> machrider: no
[21:16] <t3chguy> PCatinean: https://learn.adafruit.com/downloads/pdf/dht-humidity-sensing-on-raspberry-pi-with-gdocs-logging.pdf
[21:17] <PCatinean> let's seee
[21:17] <t3chguy> thats for what is labelled Humidity Sensor
[21:17] <t3chguy> but it is actually both, Humidity and Temp, and its Digital and easy to interact with
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[21:18] <PCatinean> ook ok let's seeee
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[21:19] <PCatinean> Before looking at anything else I fixed the cobbler pins that came out crooked because of shipment and pressed it onto the breadboard all the way to the end
[21:20] <PCatinean> at the back I saw pins pushing into the yellow surface and bending the breadboard a bit.I assume that's not...normal
[21:20] <PCatinean> or wanted
[21:21] <PCatinean> Can't they be connected directly to the GPIO t3chguy ? Does one need to use the breadboard?
[21:22] <t3chguy> PCatinean: it needs a pullup resistor, unless one is on the breakout board you have the module on then yes, unless you can attach that resistor onto floating wires which is a pain
[21:22] <Crom_> PCatinean: no, breadboard is there to make things easier
[21:22] <PCatinean> breadboard has pullup resistors?
[21:22] <PCatinean> not that I know what a pullup resistor is...I only know what a resistor is
[21:22] <t3chguy> no PCatinean - breadboard makes it easy to put things in parallel
[21:23] <t3chguy> PCatinean: from the picture, I can see a resistor, its likely a pullup
[21:23] <t3chguy> so you should be able to wire it straight up, no breadboard
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[21:23] <t3chguy> a pullup resistor is simply a resistor between a point and the upper power rail
[21:23] <PCatinean> how does it differ from a normal resistor?
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[21:24] <wpo> it's there to keep the pin value high in the absence of any value
[21:24] <t3chguy> it is a normal resistor
[21:24] <t3chguy> pullup is simply a use of a resistor
[21:24] <Crom_> PCatinean: pullup resistor is a preconditioner for your line. it's a normal resistor tided to +voltage
[21:24] <t3chguy> "a pullup resistor is simply a resistor between a point and the upper power rail"
[21:24] <t3chguy> as I just said
[21:24] <PCatinean> i have to get my terms straight
[21:24] <Crom_> pulldown resistor is a resistor tided to ground (or negative side of power supply)
[21:25] <dedgecumbe> what is the 'absence of any value' in this context? pin high = connected to 3.3, pin low = connected to ground
[21:25] <PCatinean> So if the sensor has a resistor included in it I could include it directly, but I will do it through the breadboard
[21:25] <dedgecumbe> 'absence of value' = floating? no connection to anything?
[21:25] <PCatinean> Should I place the cobbler on the breadboard?
[21:25] <t3chguy> dedgecumbe: floating != not connected to anything
[21:25] <t3chguy> high impedence pins are often floating, due to how easy it is to make them float
[21:26] <dedgecumbe> can you define 'floating' for me? it sounds like I'm misinformed
[21:26] <t3chguy> dedgecumbe: value changing arbitrarily based on external conditions
[21:27] <t3chguy> such as static, humidity, temperature, etc
[21:27] <dedgecumbe> right, OK
[21:27] <PCatinean> Ok so should I slip in the cobbler? and if so where on the breadboard? :)))
[21:27] <t3chguy> PCatinean: you can connect it straight to Pi, breadboard is never "Required" so to speak, its to make things easy
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[21:28] <dedgecumbe> thanks
[21:28] <PCatinean> ok I'll try it with the PI, but you sure it will not fry it? :0s
[21:28] <PCatinean> :-s
[21:28] <t3chguy> if the pins are labelled right (wouldn't surprise me if chinese item was mislabelled)
[21:29] <t3chguy> and you connect things correctly
[21:29] <t3chguy> then no
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[21:29] <dedgecumbe> PCatinean: things not to do: short 5v to other pins, backfeed pins with high current; draw massive amounts of current from gpio
[21:29] <dedgecumbe> anything else ? :>
[21:29] <PCatinean> I'll connect just the digital sensor and will plug it to the 3.3v I guess
[21:30] <PCatinean> First things first, since I can't use the monitor will use ssh, just I don't know the internal ip of the pi when it boots
[21:30] <t3chguy> PCatinean: check your router's DHCP Page
[21:30] <t3chguy> or use a tool like nmap
[21:30] <dedgecumbe> PCatinean: port scan the range
[21:30] <dedgecumbe> nmap -p 22 if that is your subnet
[21:30] <PCatinean> sweeetok firing up
[21:31] <machrider> is this why people sometimes use arduino+Pi together? use the arduino for low level sensing and controlling motors or whatever?
[21:31] <PCatinean> Though wait, I should make the connections before I start the pi I assume
[21:31] <machrider> since it's more realtime and supports analog I/O
[21:31] <dedgecumbe> or just ping them all, the mac address will probably be useful
[21:31] <PCatinean> machrider, from what I understood so far yes
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[21:33] <wpo> PCatinean: does it still have the default hostname? if so you may be able to do `ssh pi@raspberrypi`
[21:33] <dedgecumbe> also this :)
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[21:33] <t3chguy> thats assuming you are running some Bonjour-esque service on your client machine7
[21:33] <t3chguy> s/7//
[21:34] <PCatinean> I will plug it up and just look at the ip for now, but before that I have connect the temperature sensor to it
[21:34] <PCatinean> Any guidance on that?
[21:34] <ozzzy> bonjour? hello?
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[21:36] <PCatinean> t3chguy, I only have mother-father cables which means I will not be able to connect it directly to the GPIO I think
[21:36] <t3chguy> use the breadboard as a jumper then
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[21:37] <PCatinean> I guess that's the only solution
[21:37] <PCatinean> Should I use the cobbler t3chguy ?
[21:37] <t3chguy> your choice
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[21:37] <peteyy> Anyone tried arch on pi3?
[21:37] <t3chguy> there's a million and one ways to wire something up
[21:37] <PCatinean> not sure where to stick it to be honest
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[21:38] * dedgecumbe has soldered directly to the gpio pins in the past whilst rpi was running
[21:38] <dedgecumbe> in this specific instance it worked
[21:39] <dedgecumbe> i recommend less potentially destructive methods
[21:39] <PCatinean> I restarted the pi while accidentaly brushing the gpio pins with my hand when moving
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[21:44] <_jamesl> For a home web server that will serve HTML and images to a very low amount of users, should I buy the pi 2 or the pi 3? Is the pi 2 cheaper now or are they both $35?
[21:45] <t3chguy> _jamesl: you could buy a Zero for that sort of task
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[21:45] <_jamesl> I have a Zero, and an original model B, but wouldn't the CPU not be powerful enough? And there is only 512mb RAM.
[21:46] <Bilby> For HTML and images an original B is plenty
[21:46] <t3chguy> Web Servers (static) are not CPU intensive at all
[21:46] <Bilby> static HTML or PHP / Python ?
[21:46] <_jamesl> okay, thanks. So I'd only need a pi 2 or 3 is I used PHP or CGI or similar?
[21:46] <_jamesl> just HTML and images
[21:47] <PCatinean> Ok so showed in the cobbler at row 3 with two rows free from one side and 3 from the other (if it makes any difference)
[21:47] <_jamesl> it also takes a picture every day and displays that on the front page.
[21:47] <Bilby> even with some PHP / CGI you’d be fine if it’s a small amount of users
[21:47] <Bilby> I use a 1B as a development server haha
[21:48] <Bilby> PHP / MySQL on some reasonably heavy lifting and it’s still fine
[21:48] <_jamesl> It's going to be about 1 user per day, probably less than that as I'm not paying for advertising and not many will be interested.
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[21:48] <_jamesl> but my domain provider (dot TK) requires 10 unique IPs per 45 days, don't know if I can manage that.
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[21:49] <Bilby> O_o you have a minimum requirement for domain?
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[21:50] <Bilby> eh, you could always just post it up here once a month, the curiosity hits alone would cover you
[21:50] <t3chguy> _jamesl: names.co.uk are selling .com domains for 31p +VAT atm xD
[21:50] <_jamesl> yes, that's what dot TK say. They also say if you fail to meet this requirement they will replace your domain with a placeholder WITHOUT WARNING.
[21:50] <t3chguy> or you could get an .ovh domain for cheap
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[21:50] <_jamesl> Bilby: that's spamming
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[21:51] <Bilby> or .xyz
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[21:52] <SpeedEvil> _jamesl: spam it on a new twitter account
[21:52] <Bilby> _jamesl: I’m pretty sure if you posted it here or another tech sub once a month with the title “my TLD provider says i hae to have at leats 10 unique IPs a month to keep my personal server’s domain. I need 10 friendly fellows to browse to this link please!”
[21:52] <PCatinean> t3chguy, would this be the appropriate way do to do it? http://imgur.com/8EO2tW5
[21:52] <Bilby> … haha i forgot i was on IRC
[21:52] <PCatinean> ground goes to the sensor marked GND and + is connected on the 3v3
[21:52] <Bilby> “on a tech or related forum / reddit thing"
[21:53] <PCatinean> now I have AO and DO
[21:53] <_jamesl> okay, thanks.
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[21:54] <_jamesl> so that wouldn't be considered spamming on IRC?
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[21:55] <_jamesl> sorry, it's 25 hits every 90 days.
[21:56] <t3chguy> PCatinean: the module you're using is not at all what you think...
[21:56] <t3chguy> A0 is an Analogue output
[21:56] <t3chguy> D0 is a Digital Boolean value
[21:56] <t3chguy> D0 outputs when the temp is above a threshold
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[21:56] <PCatinean> So I should switch to another module then?
[21:56] <t3chguy> that module does not tell you the temp
[21:56] <t3chguy> use the one I showed you in the PDF...
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[21:56] <PCatinean> Ah it just gives a bool if the value is over the treshold
[21:56] <shauno> _jamesl: honestly, I'd hand that job over to a pi too. a script to run every 5am, fire up tor, hit it, and bring it down again.
[21:57] <PCatinean> Which is adjustable via the screw
[21:57] <kasd11> hey, how do i get the latest kernel sources for an uptodate raspberry pi 3 raspbian? i wanted to use v4l2loopback-dkms from the repos but it failed because the sources are missing...
[21:57] <kasd11> here is what aptitude tells me http://pastebin.com/82UM4aPT
[21:57] <_jamesl> shauno: does tor get a different exit node every time?
[21:57] <PCatinean> If that's so, is there anything from the kit that I can actually use? :))
[21:57] <t3chguy> PCatinean: correct
[21:57] <Bilby> shauno: That’s not a bad idea. Hah, he could actually use the same Pi even
[21:57] <PCatinean> for live data
[21:57] <t3chguy> PCatinean: look at the PDF, there's a picture of a blue thing, the ebay page you linked looks to have that
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[21:57] <t3chguy> that shows temp and humidity
[21:58] <Bilby> Or just remember to hit the site every time he was out on someone else’s wifi
[21:58] * PCatinean looks
[21:58] <PCatinean> So how come that module works and sends live data t3chguy ?
[21:58] <shauno> _jamesl: it's not guaranteed, but for 25 hits in 90 days you need less than 1/3rd of them to be unique. and that's enough to be pretty much a sure thing. especially when you add any legit traffic
[21:58] <t3chguy> PCatinean: because its not a thermistor...?
[21:58] <_jamesl> Bilby: I get a new IP every time I reboot my router, if only the site wasn't hosted on the same router :(
[21:59] <t3chguy> PCatinean: the module you're looking at is a resistor that changes resistance based on temp
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[21:59] <t3chguy> the Blue DS11 or whatever it is called is a Sensor module which communicates over Dallas one-wire protocol
[21:59] <PCatinean> ahh ok ok ok
[21:59] <PCatinean> So I found the module
[21:59] <kasd11> actually, looking at https://github.com/umlaeute/v4l2loopback/issues/107#issuecomment-178584364 , has anyone successfully used v4l2loopback on a recent raspi?
[21:59] <_jamesl> shauno: but there won't be any traffic, it's a timelapse thing. Not many will be interested, and when it is finished the timelapse will be uploaded to youtube, so they will just go there to see it.
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[22:00] <PCatinean> aaaand the pins are not labeled, just 3 random pins
[22:00] <_jamesl> or I could just skip the .TK domain and just use pilapse.dlinkddns.com
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[22:00] <PCatinean> there's and S and a - to the left and the right, nothing more
[22:01] <t3chguy> PCatinean: - will be GND, S will be the IO pin
[22:01] <t3chguy> the other pin probably 3v3
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[22:01] <PCatinean> I thought they should be lableled under each ping
[22:01] <PCatinean> instead just S on the left and - on the right
[22:01] <t3chguy> I have one somewhere
[22:01] <kasd11> nvm, seems like quite the mess https://github.com/umlaeute/v4l2loopback/issues/108
[22:01] <kasd11> nighty
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[22:01] <t3chguy> PCatinean: give me 5 minutes (playing Rocket League)
[22:01] <PCatinean> so yeah - ground as you said
[22:01] <t3chguy> I'll check
[22:02] <PCatinean> t3chguy, ahhh thanks a lot, Rocket League, maybe we ca hit it together some time.I got a few friend killing it every night :))
[22:02] <t3chguy> I just won 11-3 xD
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[22:02] <PCatinean> damn...
[22:02] <PCatinean> :)))
[22:02] <t3chguy> started another game without meaning to lol
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[22:04] <t3chguy> PCatinean: take a picture of the module you have so that I can compare it to mine?
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[22:05] <PCatinean> ok sure
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[22:07] <PCatinean> t3chguy, sensor and wiring: http://imgur.com/a/qhq5L
[22:08] <t3chguy> ill find mine now
[22:09] <t3chguy> mine is a bit different
[22:09] <t3chguy> it has the same blue sensor
[22:09] <t3chguy> but mine also has an LED and extra resistor
[22:10] <PCatinean> Is that the way the breadboard works? you just plug in anywhere along the line of the pin and it's like connecting to it?
[22:10] <t3chguy> yeah
[22:10] <PCatinean> so mine might fry?
[22:10] <t3chguy> those are its columns
[22:10] <t3chguy> no
[22:10] <t3chguy> the labels are a bit silly
[22:10] <t3chguy> like you sort of have to guess
[22:10] <t3chguy> or use a multimeter to figure out which pin is which
[22:11] <PCatinean> yeah, the one before had G + and the lot
[22:11] <PCatinean> this I don't know, shall I try it like that?
[22:11] <PCatinean> No resistors and hail mary on the pins?
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[22:12] <t3chguy> well it has a resistor onboard
[22:12] <t3chguy> I'm assuming thats the pullup thats normally needed for these
[22:12] <t3chguy> I believe its needed in this case because the one-wire protocol is an open drain one
[22:12] <t3chguy> so nothing ever sets the bus HIGH
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[22:12] <t3chguy> similar to I2C, but over a single wire instead
[22:13] <PCatinean> How I wish I understood everything you said :)) I did not see the resistor on the outisde as I saw them on the LED modules but
[22:13] <PCatinean> I can assume they have it, not sure why the tut insists on resistors
[22:13] <t3chguy> the thing right above the S is a resistor
[22:14] <PCatinean> holy crap did not see that
[22:14] <PCatinean> I assume since that's the power and S standing for supply it would make sense
[22:14] <PCatinean> - would be the ground so I GUESS the wiring is good
[22:14] <t3chguy> S is normally Sense, not supply
[22:14] <PCatinean> ouch...
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[22:15] <PCatinean> so, nothing I can do about it except gamble
[22:15] <t3chguy> measure with a multimeter :P
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[22:15] <PCatinean> yeah don't think I have one :))
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[22:17] <t3chguy> fair enough
[22:17] <PCatinean> haha
[22:17] <t3chguy> any markings/text on the back of the module?
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[22:17] <PCatinean> so what do you think is the best bet?
[22:17] <dedgecumbe> PCatinean: get a multimeter is the best bet
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[22:17] <dedgecumbe> :P
[22:18] <PCatinean> QC next to a whole and nothing under the pins or anything else
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[22:18] <t3chguy> could always ask the seller
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[22:21] <PCatinean> hmm and firing with the supply and sensor inversed will surely fry it?
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[22:23] <t3chguy> it shouldn't
[22:24] <t3chguy> if you put a resistor in series with it then it wouldn't be able to lol
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[22:28] <PCatinean> but then again I don't have a resistor either
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[22:29] <PCatinean> ok so I installed the library, all that remains is to try this...
[22:29] <PCatinean> hmm
[22:30] <PCatinean> maybe I can try another module better marked
[22:30] <PCatinean> or search it online
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[22:31] <PCatinean> https://tkkrlab.nl/wiki/Arduino_KY-015_Temperature_and_humidity_sensor_module
[22:31] <PCatinean> here it is
[22:31] <PCatinean> soo power is in the middle pin :D
[22:32] <PCatinean> so I got it on 3.3v middle, ground on - and GPIO pin on the left
[22:32] <PCatinean> Is the wiring ok as I sent the picture t3chguy ?
[22:32] <t3chguy> so I was right :P
[22:32] <t3chguy> I sent that link earlier xD
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[22:33] <t3chguy> its 3v3 compatible so yes
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[22:33] <PCatinean> ok so, shutdown the pi, attach the cobbler fire it up and test?
[22:34] <t3chguy> sure
[22:34] <PCatinean> And really I just stick the cables next to the pins no matter where (before theblue line, after) ?
[22:34] <PCatinean> I cannot attach the cobbler while the pi is running I assume
[22:34] <t3chguy> you can
[22:34] <PCatinean> but it's risky?
[22:34] <t3chguy> before the power rails
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[22:34] <t3chguy> well its less safe
[22:34] <PCatinean> ok will shut down
[22:35] <t3chguy> make sure the ribbon cable is the right way around
[22:35] <t3chguy> otherwise your pi may get damaged
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[22:38] <PCatinean> omggg IT WORKED
[22:38] <PCatinean> :O
[22:38] <PCatinean> whops, whish I read that properly
[22:38] <t3chguy> as in didn't blow up or do you have temps now?
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[22:39] <PCatinean> Temp=640.0* Humidity=921.6%
[22:39] <t3chguy> nice
[22:39] <PCatinean> I was about to say not even close to accurate since I blew on it
[22:39] <PCatinean> but it took a while to adapt
[22:39] <t3chguy> lol
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[22:39] <PCatinean> but hey man it works I can't believe it
[22:39] <t3chguy> the plastic shroud insulates it a bit so it takes a while to respond to humidity changes
[22:39] <PCatinean> My money was on never working, it getting friend or something....
[22:39] <PCatinean> t3chguy, exactly :D
[22:39] <PCatinean> uh gitty gitty!
[22:40] <PCatinean> I cannot fire the leds since they have mother sockets and I cannot use the breadboard since I don't have father/father cabes
[22:40] <PCatinean> but hey, a sensor working
[22:40] <t3chguy> where you from? I only know of Germany that call them Father/Mother
[22:41] <t3chguy> and you could, connect them straight to pi using your Mother/Father cables without breadboard
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[22:41] <PCatinean> Romania, I just heard that term here and translated as it was
[22:42] <t3chguy> ah
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[22:42] <PCatinean> but that means I would have to remove the cobbler and connect the sensor directly to the GPIO
[22:42] <t3chguy> ah fair point
[22:43] <PCatinean> not sure about what the values mean
[22:43] <t3chguy> values?
[22:43] <PCatinean> 640 what and 921,6% of 1000?
[22:43] <t3chguy> no idea
[22:44] <PCatinean> I have a microphone sensor here somewere, maybe I can send some soundbites
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[22:44] <t3chguy> that will be Analogue
[22:44] <t3chguy> without an ADC, won't be able to use it on a Pi
[22:45] <t3chguy> it'll have a similar threshold based Digital output too
[22:45] <PCatinean> I see, I have an extra little "chip" that came with the pi from the people who bought me it
[22:45] <PCatinean> I'm not sure if that's it
[22:46] <Polymorphism> is 5%/mo doable
[22:46] <Polymorphism> 10k principal
[22:47] <Polymorphism> what IO mean to say is
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[22:48] <PCatinean> I have a laser transmit module, maybe I can make it flash?
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[22:49] <t3chguy> PCatinean: they work just like an LED
[22:49] <PCatinean> well I can connect this to a breadboard
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[22:49] <PCatinean> Just give power supply to it and it lights up?
[22:49] <Polymorphism> or burns up
[22:49] <PCatinean> Meaning I can connect the ground and then supply while the pi is on and it lights up?
[22:49] <Polymorphism> depends what the supply is =D
[22:49] <PCatinean> Polymorphism, :(
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[22:51] <PCatinean> Sorry it disconected
[22:51] <PCatinean> Anyone said anyting?
[22:52] <Polymorphism> no
[22:52] <Polymorphism> well one guy mentioned how to get infinite wealth with no effort
[22:52] <Polymorphism> hes gone now though
[22:52] <Polymorphism> shame you missed it
[22:52] <PCatinean> =)))))
[22:52] <PCatinean> hahaha
[22:52] <Polymorphism> xD
[22:52] * PCatinean lols
[22:53] <genmort> Hello, i have a stupid question: im running smokeping on the pi, and it uses apache HTTP server. Is it 100% only available to local network?
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[22:54] <PCatinean> genmort, works like a regular webserver I imagine.Though to be honest if it's a really simple project I'd recommend something with a lower footprint like flask, werkzeug, cherrypi
[22:54] <t3chguy> genmort: depends on your gateway/router
[22:54] <PCatinean> yes also true
[22:54] <PCatinean> t3chguy, should I add the ground and supply to led? 3.3v?
[22:54] <t3chguy> PCatinean: depends on the LED
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[22:55] <PCatinean> sorry laser
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[22:56] <t3chguy> same applies
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[22:56] <PCatinean> http://www.ebay.com/itm/KY-008-Laser-Transmitter-Module-Sensor-Red-Ray-For-Arduino-AVR-PIC-Raspberry-Pi/181418393720?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140602152332%26meid%3D3af30816b19b4c9481e56aa7be8e62dc%26pid%3D100011%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D10%26sd%3D261303858033
[22:57] <PCatinean> has the same-size resistor so I imagine it should be ok?
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[22:57] <genmort> i'm using it for only use within my local network, one pc, should i use something other than apache ?
[22:57] <t3chguy> Opearting Voltage 5 -volt
[22:57] <t3chguy> genmort: nginx is more lightweight
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[22:58] <PCatinean> +1 on t3chguy
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[22:58] <k_j> +1 PCatinean
[22:58] <PCatinean> t3chguy, so what do you think?
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[22:58] <t3chguy> PCatinean: yes
[22:58] <t3chguy> on the 5V pin
[22:59] <PCatinean> 5v you say not 3.3
[22:59] <t3chguy> I just pasted a part of the page you linked...
[22:59] <t3chguy> Opearting Voltage 5 -volt
[22:59] <PCatinean> not sure if that's it but it looks exactly the same :))
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[23:00] <PCatinean> yolo
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[23:00] <genmort> is it even possible i accidentally put it visible outside my local network
[23:00] <PCatinean> well it lights up but it's tremendously weak
[23:00] <t3chguy> on 3v3 or 5v?
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[23:01] <PCatinean> 5v :(
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[23:02] <PCatinean> I have to close all lights to see it on the wall :))
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[23:07] <PCatinean> maybe the humidity sensor is drawing power?
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[23:08] <ShanShen> He he. Running HexChat on a a
[23:08] <ShanShen> A+
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[23:18] <PCatinean> t3chguy, off for tonight thanks a lot for the help :D
[23:18] <PCatinean> Cheers!
[23:18] <t3chguy> no problem
[23:18] <t3chguy> cya
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[23:23] <bberg> i'm struggling to find a use for my pi ;p
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[23:23] <machrider> hahaha you're not alone
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[23:23] <Cromaglious_> bberg, it makes a good receipe machine for the kitchen
[23:24] <bberg> Cromaglious_: don't cook much :p
[23:24] <Cromaglious_> bberg, rpi0 makes a good bookmark while reading
[23:25] <Cromaglious_> B+ makes a decent NAS server
[23:25] <valesi> define decent
[23:25] <Cromaglious_> rpi2 makes a better NAS server
[23:26] <bberg> I don't have a RPi2 ;)
[23:26] <bberg> but.... i don't have a need for a NAS server xD
[23:26] <Syliss> i need one of themz
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[23:26] <Cromaglious_> valesi, fast enough to server .mp3 .doc .odt .xls pdf files, not fast enough for avi
[23:27] <methuzla> bberg start with something you are interested in
[23:28] <valesi> I suppose. avi as in storage? seems like it'd be okay for streaming
[23:28] <bberg> methuzla: wise words.
[23:28] <Cromaglious_> the rpi3 is fast enough to stream avi's cuz wifi and usb are on different busses
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[23:34] <ruben_m> Hello!
[23:34] <Cromaglious_> Yelow? I like purple...
[23:34] <Cromaglious_> ;D
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[23:36] <ruben_m> Hi! If I wanted to stream video from my raspberry pi to my tablet, phone... What are my options for that? A simple website with streaming video? I have no clue. If anyone could give me some suggestions. I can figure stuff out myself then. THANKS!
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[23:38] <pksato> ruben_m: vlc or ffmpeg
[23:39] <ruben_m> pksato, i don't know. why does it matter. isn't vlc just a media player and ffmpeg a converting tool
[23:39] <pksato> both need to use a long command line with parameters. but, vlc have a gui to create this command.
[23:40] <pksato> no
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[23:40] <Cromaglious_> ruben_m, get a rpi3 to start
[23:40] <methuzla> ruben_m video as in video files, or video from an attached camera?
[23:40] <ruben_m> methuzla, as in video files
[23:40] <Cromaglious_> rpi 0, B, B+, 2 are good enough to stream audio, not video
[23:41] <pksato> ah, or just use samna to share files
[23:41] <Cromaglious_> rpi3 is the first with wifi and usb on different busses...
[23:41] <pksato> samba
[23:41] <ruben_m> samba is just a file sharing server right?
[23:41] <pksato> ES file explorer can access file on samba and send to some player.
[23:42] <Cromaglious_> samba is SMB server aka windows server
[23:42] <pksato> or some 'dlna' content server.
[23:43] <ruben_m> can a tablet view samba files?
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[23:43] <Cromaglious_> if you have a smb client installed
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[23:43] <H4ndy> ruben_m: yes with apps, like the named ES File Explorer or Solid Explorer
[23:43] <Polymorphism> just fixed my galaxy note 3
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[23:44] <Polymorphism> upper left back 2 screws had come loose, didnt even need to open it up and bend any gps contact pins etc
[23:44] <Polymorphism> gps restored =D
[23:44] <Cromaglious_> I put ftp server on my phone and a NFS client and server
[23:44] <valesi> isn't ES crap these days?
[23:44] <Polymorphism> yes
[23:44] <Polymorphism> bloatware
[23:44] <pksato> like all apps. :P
[23:44] <ruben_m> my first thought was building a simple website and streaming video.
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[23:45] <pksato> ruben_m: Is other option
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[23:45] <ruben_m> i just want an easy way to let my sister watch some video on my computer.
[23:46] <valesi> Plex server?
[23:46] <pksato> via samba share (or windows/mac share)
[23:46] * valesi chuckles
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[23:46] <methuzla> ruben_m know python?
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[23:47] <ruben_m> methuzla, sure
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[23:47] <methuzla> for web page approach, could use SimpleHTTPServer module
[23:48] <methuzla> serve up simple page, phone/tablet surfs there, clicks on link to file, hopefully web browser acts accordingly
[23:48] <methuzla> crude, but simple
[23:49] <ruben_m> methuzla, i'll consider it
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[23:53] <valesi> I believe a video tag would reasonably handle it
[23:54] <pksato> just use some http server. lighttpd have some modules to streaming.
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[23:56] <Cromaglious_> lighthttpd would be a good choice. I'd definately run a powered external hard drive to server files from
[23:56] <Cromaglious_> and for all the log files
[23:57] <CRM114> I've used apache for similar situations
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[23:57] <methuzla> apache would be overkill for this
[23:57] <CRM114> there aren't many log files if the server doesn't experience many connections

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