#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2016-03-17

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[0:05] <aem> yo can i switch sd cards with raspian already installed to different rpi's without issue?
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[0:05] <aem> so from rpi0 to rpi2 to rpi3
[0:06] <ruben_m> is it possible to stream video of whatever format. the html5 video tag only supports mp4 and webm
[0:07] <valesi> aem, generally yes. I'd make sure it's updated before going to pi3 though
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[0:09] <valesi> ruben_m, html5 doesn't specify what it supports, that's up to browsers
[0:09] <aem> valesi yes assuming it is it should be seemless right?
[0:10] <valesi> for the most part
[0:10] <aem> i mean im not gonna do any oc'ing yet
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[0:10] <aem> as long as it doesnt cause instability idc
[0:10] <aem> i dont have another sd card to spare
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[0:30] <Cromaglious_> laterz
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[1:34] <giddles> hey ppl
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[1:34] <giddles> where can i find a img of android?
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[1:37] <warpie> for the pi?
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[1:39] <valesi> it's pretty buggy, but this is the forum https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/android-rpi
[1:40] <valesi> that's for the CM port anyway, dunno what else is out there
[1:42] <warpie> yeh just checked the pi site, non there.. hmm...
[1:42] <happycube> they scrambled the android subforum...
[1:42] <valesi> yeah, I'm pretty sure the Foundation doesn't support Android at all
[1:43] <warpie> bummer
[1:43] <valesi> the subforum thing is due to a broken tag for the lock
[1:43] <warpie> they should, after introducing the pi 3
[1:43] <warpie> android is a form of Linux
[1:44] <happycube> pi2 could run it well enough, if a good video driver existed
[1:44] <valesi> more info here: https://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/4ae9sa/why_is_the_android_section_of_the_raspberry_pi/
[1:44] <happycube> quite a few quad a7 phones out there. eventually 1gb ram is going to be a bottleneck tho
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[1:46] <B0g4r7> "Android is nearly useless without hardware-acceleration. Hardware-acceleration permeates a proper Android port through various subsystems which draw the UI , decode video and enable i.e. 3D games to actually work fast enough. The Razdroid project is still looking for volunteers who know how to develop and integrate those into a new Raspberry Pi port"
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[2:10] <robertj> anyone here want to recommend a zigbee usb dongle?
[2:11] <warpie> link?
[2:11] <Valduare> whew just did complete re-wire of my whole desk area
[2:11] <Valduare> I have about a million things plugged in
[2:11] <warpie> oh? got a pic?
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[2:12] <Valduare> not yet
[2:12] <warpie> lol
[2:12] <JakeSays> a clean desk is a sign of a sick person
[2:12] <Valduare> even found a full range tv mount out at my shop today
[2:12] <warpie> lol
[2:12] <Redfoxmoon> JakeSays, lol
[2:12] <Valduare> got that installed and now I can get the tv up out of the way that I use with the raspberry pi's
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[2:12] <warpie> oh?
[2:13] <Valduare> I have a huge computer armoire
[2:13] <Valduare> pull out desk and that has a pull out keyboard tray
[2:13] <warpie> cudda just use a couple of helium balloons
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[2:13] <Valduare> so by the time everything is opened up to use i was sitting way too far away from where the screen was lol
[2:14] <Valduare> heh
[2:14] <Valduare> this is better, I can fold the tv back inside and close the doors
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[2:41] <JakeSays> hmm. so far not much luck with this pi 3
[2:41] <JakeSays> i get a rainbow screen and a blinking green light
[2:42] <machrider> you have a microSD card with an OS loaded?
[2:42] <JakeSays> yup
[2:42] <JakeSays> took one out of a working pi2
[2:42] <machrider> :-/
[2:43] <DWKnight> what image was running on it?
[2:43] <JakeSays> jessie lite
[2:44] <DWKnight> and did you update it before trying to take it over?
[2:44] <JakeSays> no
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[2:46] <DWKnight> you might try updating it on the pi2 before trying to run it on the pi3
[2:47] <JakeSays> i'll give it a try
[2:48] <JakeSays> i can't update the kernel tho
[2:49] <JakeSays> i'm running an adafruit build
[2:49] <DWKnight> then you're going to need to get an updated build of that
[2:50] <JakeSays> eh, i think i'll just wipe it. i dont need the adafruit kernel on this one
[2:51] <abnormal> that's the problem... ppl don't read the instructions correctly.
[2:52] <abnormal> mine has been up since I got it and no problem getting it up and running.
[2:52] <JakeSays> what instructions?
[2:52] <abnormal> Uptime: 3 days, 13 hours and 29 minutes
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[2:52] <abnormal> on the pi site
[2:53] <abnormal> this is my pi B 3...
[2:53] <abnormal> Sysinfo for 'raspberrypi': Running against KDE 4.14.2 on Raspbian GNU/Linux 8 (jessie) powered by Linux 4.1.18-v7+, CPU: ARMv7 Processor rev 4 (v7l) at 1200 MHz, RAM: 670/925 MB, Storage: 3/27 GB, 125 procs, 85.51h up
[2:53] <JakeSays> well, i did not incorrectly read the instructions
[2:53] <abnormal> ok
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[2:55] <abnormal> I got my pi with noobs in the SD card. I booted it up and installed raspbian jessie and hooked the ethernet wire to it and did update, upgrade, and update again then rebooted it and has been up since
[2:55] <bberg> Y'all have a recommendation for an IRC linux prog?
[2:56] <valesi> I personally use HexChat
[2:56] <JakeSays> i can recommend a bouncer
[2:56] <machrider> bberg: do you prefer terminal based or GUI?
[2:56] <bberg> well.. I use hexchat on my (windows) PC. But I think it may be fun to make use of my pi....
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[2:57] <JakeSays> ha! went to install the microsd in its caddy and discovered my lost 32gb microsd
[2:57] <DWKnight> bonus
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[2:59] <JakeSays> those things are so small - easy to misplace
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[2:59] <DWKnight> that's why I have an old smarties lego block to hold all my cards
[3:00] <DWKnight> and microsd to sd adapters to hold all the ones that aren't in devices
[3:00] <machrider> good idea
[3:00] <JakeSays> i do that too, which is why i just found one
[3:00] <JakeSays> otherwise.. who knows
[3:01] <DWKnight> https://www.dropbox.com/s/p24kc7q7w6t1wzq/2016-03-09%2022.02.47.jpg?dl=0
[3:01] <DWKnight> the red thing
[3:01] <JakeSays> hmm. wonder how ubuntu core would be
[3:01] <bberg> DWKnight: what are you using yours for?
[3:01] <DWKnight> pi2 is recalbox, pi3 is openelec primary
[3:02] <bberg> .. recalbox? openelec primary?
[3:02] <DWKnight> got a pi2 downstairs running my bittorrent tracker
[3:02] <JakeSays> heh. with the price of pi's its just too easy to dedicate them for specific tasks
[3:02] <DWKnight> indeed jake
[3:03] <JakeSays> i wonder what i'd lose if i went with ubuntu snappy instead of raspbian
[3:03] <DWKnight> I use recalbox to play the old tengen variant tetris
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[3:05] <DWKnight> it probably wouldn't be too hard to move my bittorrent tracker from my pi2 to a pi3, but there's no point, I'm not cpu bound on it yet
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[3:05] <bberg> Eh - I think the game emulators are cool, but I don't have want to spend time on current games... let alone ones from my childhood
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[3:05] <JakeSays> i'm going to experiment with distcc with two of my 3's
[3:06] <bberg> DWKnight: what is the main purpose of the bittorrent tracker?
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[3:07] <DWKnight> for me it was more to see how much work it would be to port it to armhf
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[3:07] <DWKnight> (which was no work at all)
[3:07] <JakeSays> a pi3 would work well for a pihpone
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[3:08] <DWKnight> I was considering setting up a pbx on one at some point
[3:08] <DWKnight> but decided to wait
[3:08] <JakeSays> i think this would be a lot of fun: https://learn.adafruit.com/piphone-a-raspberry-pi-based-cellphone
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[3:12] <abnormal> doen't show battery
[3:13] <JakeSays> i'm sure it has one somewhere
[3:13] <abnormal> in the car?
[3:13] <JakeSays> you'd have to read the article
[3:14] <JakeSays> you know, those silly instruction things
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[3:15] <abnormal> I see, ok
[3:16] <JakeSays> what i dont get is why adafruit needed to create a custom kernel for their pitft - seems like the framebuffer driver could've been built as a kernel module
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[3:21] <bberg> going to snag some stuff off of amazon... anything minus a case that is a 'must have'?
[3:21] <JakeSays> yes - everything
[3:21] <bberg> JakeSays: done.
[3:21] <bberg> thanks!
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[3:42] <JakeSays> does the updated raspbian come with wifi enabled on the pi3?
[3:43] <valesi> yes
[3:43] <JakeSays> very cool
[3:44] <JakeSays> hopefully it works better than the zillion dongles i've gone through
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[3:45] <Crom> it should since it's not useing the usb buss
[3:45] <JakeSays> its not?
[3:45] <JakeSays> is it built in to the soc?
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[3:46] <Crom> it's using another bus off the SOC
[3:46] <JakeSays> very cool
[3:47] <JakeSays> hmm. wonder how successful i'd be if i uninstalled gcc
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[4:03] <Snp> how many amps of power does the pi3 use when idling?
[4:04] <valesi> idling at desktop usually is around .4A for me
[4:04] <valesi> or .3A
[4:04] <Snp> and it can hit upto 2.5 yeah?
[4:04] <Snp> under load?
[4:04] <valesi> I've only seen it up to like 1A, with mouse, keyboard and ethernet
[4:04] <valesi> haven't stressed it, so dunno
[4:04] <Snp> sweet
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[4:05] <valesi> I can test in a min
[4:05] <Snp> i mean mines going to be a little plex box in reality
[4:05] <Snp> im just wondering what i need to sort power wise, as the actual board will physically be inside my tv
[4:05] <Snp> and sorting if i can use the tvs 1.5amp usb port for power, or if i need somethign else
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[4:06] <bberg> (I thought I read that it goes over 2amps on start up alone..)
[4:06] <valesi> hmm, yeah, I haven't tested plex yet
[4:06] <valesi> mine on startup, just now, got to like .7A
[4:06] <valesi> idling at .45A
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[4:08] <Snp> i'll just get an adapter and splice into the mains inside the tv
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[4:08] <RoBo_V> will RPi3 boots if I provide it with 1.5A adapter ?
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[4:09] <raidensnake> want to know something funny?
[4:10] <valesi> stress test gets it a hair above 1A
[4:10] <bberg> raidensnake: how funny?
[4:10] <Snp> i'll test it on the tv usb and see if i need anythign more
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[4:10] <raidensnake> I'm doing an off the bat compile test of the official raspberrypi kernel to try and see if it works in arm64
[4:11] <bberg> Snp: post back and let us/me know
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[4:11] <Snp> will do
[4:11] <bberg> goodluck
[4:11] <Snp> i dont actually have my pi yet, should be here tomorrow
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[4:11] <Snp> and then the process of actually finding a nice place to mount it inside the tv
[4:12] <raidensnake> I didn't do anything fancy except copy the config to the arm64.configs and add the missing zimage options in the make file and using a generic cross compiler to build all of the components including the boot loader.
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[4:13] <raidensnake> some people might think what the hell is this crap
[4:15] <Crom> still waiting for my 3
[4:16] <Crom> adafruit just shipped another zero for hypermist to me. and April 7th is the projected ship date for my Newark 3
[4:17] <bberg> Crom: plans for the zero?
[4:17] <Crom> bberg this one is for Hypermist in New Zealand. I already have 2 zero's
[4:18] <bberg> what are you using them for
[4:18] <Crom> nothing yet, really. still gearing up for them
[4:18] <brianx> where do people get zeros in the US without spending a ton on shipping?
[4:19] <raidensnake> got soo close then this happened
[4:19] <bberg> microcenter <3
[4:19] <raidensnake> drivers/staging/media/lirc/lirc_rpi.c
[4:19] <raidensnake> that errored on me
[4:19] <brianx> got the first there, but they've been out of stock at microcenter.
[4:19] <Crom> adafruit, and we're still spending a ton of money.. $5 pi $4.93 shipping
[4:19] <bberg> brianx: go on shipping day
[4:20] <brianx> bberg: who has shipping day?
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[4:20] <bberg> brianx: the one in philly has fixed shipments.. Thursday and... maybe tues?
[4:20] <bberg> you can also call and put it on hold.
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[4:21] <bberg> I can snag one for ya and send for cost.
[4:21] <brianx> bberg: that's the phily microcenter?
[4:21] <bberg> brianx: yes.
[4:22] <brianx> bberg: thank you. i'll just add myself to their list and watch for the shipping day. the locals won't let me order for delivery but i can call and put one on hold maybe. i pass about 1/2 a mile from them about once a week.
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[4:23] <bberg> brianx: ahh - ya. The philly one has no issues if I call on shipping day and ask for one on hold. Granted, I haven't taken advantage of this yet.
[4:23] <bberg> I'm also 2 hrs away from that one.. closer to the NJ location
[4:24] <brianx> the chicago one rarely has them in stock. i've not caught them since christmas.
[4:24] <raidensnake> anyone know why this file is erroing?
[4:24] * Snp googles how far away from NJ he is
[4:24] <hypermist> Crom nice
[4:25] <raidensnake> http://pastebin.com/NnfCwvuj
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[4:25] <Snp> 7602 miles away
[4:25] <Snp> might take a while
[4:27] <bberg> Snp: <3 come on over.
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[4:28] <hypermist> I woke up to see someone hack one of my accounts thank god i have 2fa
[4:28] <hypermist> ...
[4:28] <Snp> sorry i just really wanted in :P
[4:29] <hypermist> Luckily i had no money stored in it :|
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[4:37] <binaryhermit> hmm, is youtube in a browser likely to ever be usable on the rpi?
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[4:37] <binaryhermit> *rpi3
[4:38] <hypermist> if i had .23btc in their Snp and no 2fa that'd been about a 100$+ mistake
[4:38] <hypermist> lol
[4:38] <CoJaBo> binaryhermit: Depends on how far along HW vide acceleration in on ARM browsers
[4:39] <Crom> hypermist, there you is. ada just shipped your 0. still waiting for the pomoroni 3
[4:40] <raidensnake> I wish I knew what those errors are I'm getting
[4:41] <raidensnake> what little I can make sense of it's something to do with the GPIO
[4:41] <hypermist> Crom, alright :)
[4:41] <hypermist> the .23btc wasnt mine it was my mates and luckily i gave it to him
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[4:42] <bberg> I'll ask again - just in case - y'all have anything that would be fun to 'tinker with' that is cheap/on alliexpress?
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[4:43] <brianx> bberg: esp8266 can be fun.
[4:43] <bberg> brianx: have those lieing in abox in the attic :( one day..
[4:44] <brianx> hmm, how about a digital scope? they've gotten cheap.
[4:45] <bberg> hmm - i'll give it a look
[4:45] <RoBo_V> will RPi3 boots if I provide it with 1.5A adapter ?
[4:45] <bberg> found a 3.5" tft for $10
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[4:46] <bberg> Think this bad boy would work with bluetooth and rpi? http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Universal-OBD-V2-1-ELM327-OBD2-Bluetooth-Auto-Scanner-OBDII-2-Car-ELM-327-Tester/32451273413.html
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[4:50] <valesi> oh hm, I have a pair of those
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[4:51] <Snp> i have a btc wallet with 17.1..... btc from LONG LONG ago, stuffed if i know the passcode
[4:51] <Snp> i try a few potential combinations every few days
[4:52] <RoBo_V> Snp: I can help let me know :P
[4:52] <Snp> mate of mine has one with 80~ btc
[4:52] <Snp> same boat as me
[4:52] <valesi> heh
[4:53] <RoBo_V> can help your mate too :)
[4:53] <Snp> :P
[4:54] <RoBo_V> bberg: what you gonna do with that OBD
[4:54] <bberg> RoBo_V: worse case, i'm sure I can sync with my duino
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[4:54] <bberg> and by duino i meant android....
[4:55] <bberg> I was looking into some of those CAR pi projects... could be fun. Just ordred the 3.5" tft
[4:55] <valesi> yeah, I usually use them for checking error codes
[4:55] <valesi> pretty nifty
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[4:56] <RoBo_V> valesi: how so, im just wandering where we use it.
[4:56] <valesi> where it plugs in?
[4:56] <RoBo_V> yup, That too
[4:57] <valesi> there's usually a plug for it right under the dash. although my jetta had it under the radio
[4:57] <bberg> yea, every car after like '95 has the port
[4:57] <valesi> only cars newer than '94 or something have it
[4:58] <bberg> ^^
[4:58] <valesi> heh
[4:59] <valesi> you can get info like temps, pressures, a/f ratios, load, turbo pressure, etc
[4:59] <bberg> If you ever get a check engine - hook the bad boy up. Before '94... I'm sure after too, you have to turn ignition on and off 2-3 times and count the amount of flases to get the code. and then to a specific make and model manual... booo
[4:59] <valesi> pedal height
[4:59] <Snp> i wish my car was new enough for obd
[5:00] <Snp> but no, toyota thought screw it lets make out own shity system
[5:00] <valesi> if they're new enough to have a computer, but not OBD2, then they usually have some sort of system to get codes
[5:00] <valesi> right
[5:00] <Snp> mine has a very basic computer
[5:01] <Snp> i can get error codes via a flashing engine light if i jumper 2 pins
[5:01] <Snp> always wanted to hook up somethign and get better stats, but just cant
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[5:03] <valesi> yep, my dad's old truck was like that
[5:03] <valesi> CANBUS is pretty awesome
[5:03] <bberg> Snp: whatcha driving
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[5:12] <Snp> good old landcruiser
[5:14] <raidensnake> I found out why I was getting those errors
[5:14] <raidensnake> I had to disable CONFIG_LIRC_RPI=m on the config file
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[5:21] <Crom> woo it's the Ides of March right now... if your name is caeser, HIDE!!!
[5:22] <spike> any of you ever order stuff from pimoroni to the US and know how long shipping generally takes?
[5:23] <Crom> spike, I order a rpi3 on the 29Feb and still haven't received mine
[5:24] <spike> Crom, well thats disappointing to hear :\ have you told them?
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[5:25] <Crom> doing that now
[5:26] <spike> when i emailed their customer support about something else the guy i went back and forth with a few times was really nice
[5:26] <spike> my pi3 only just shipped last friday though :\
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[5:30] <Crom> invoice said 5-7 days international... ok emailing them..
[5:30] <spike> yeah. hope it works out
[5:30] <spike> i was hoping someone or more would have experience ordering things from that site
[5:30] <raidensnake> ok... seems like 2 things don't work on the kernel
[5:31] <spike> i don't order internationally too often
[5:31] <raidensnake> LIRC-rpi doesn't work and neither does one of the USB drivers
[5:32] <Crom> hmmm it asks to contact them if it's been over 3 weeks
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[5:36] <Crom> my mum used to receive mail posted that morning in London that afternoon in Viginia at Fort Belvior
[5:38] <Crom> Belvoir
[5:39] <spike> Crom, same day? :O
[5:40] <toomanyerrors> yo
[5:41] <toomanyerrors> sid here
[5:41] <toomanyerrors> how's everyone doing?
[5:42] <Crom> same day. Grandpa would drop the letters in the sacks going to heathrow when he got to work... so a bit of a cheat
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[5:44] <spike> Crom, I guess it's different nowadays with parcels needing to go through customs?
[5:44] <spike> not sure though
[5:44] <spike> even two weeks is definitely past the 5-7 days I've seen on their site and even the royal mail site I went to
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[5:48] <raidensnake> atm battling with the rpi kernel trying to make an arm64 version
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[5:49] <plugwash> international post is slow :(
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[5:58] <raidensnake> depends on where it's from and what postal type
[5:59] <postaL> The best tyoe
[5:59] <postaL> Type
[5:59] <spike> lol
[6:00] * valesi chuckles
[6:01] <raidensnake> expedited?
[6:01] <Crom> bag to DC got there that afternoon, bag to new york got they for morning mail call. yes in 1960 post office delivered twice a day some places
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[6:01] <raidensnake> here's one for you
[6:02] <raidensnake> has anyone ever had to wait ages for a phone number to transfer over?
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[6:02] <swift110-phone> Hey all
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[6:02] <ball> hello blocky
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[6:04] <blocky> lol
[6:04] <blocky> hey ball
[6:04] <blocky> i was just reading http://elinux.org/RPi_SD_cards
[6:04] <blocky> apparently kingston are bad
[6:06] <ball> Don't think I've tried theirs.
[6:06] <spike> raidensnake, i could barely even afford regular cheap shipping :|
[6:07] <raidensnake> also they forgot to add the 200GB sandisk model to that list
[6:07] <blocky> i'm placing an order on amazon.ca, samsung evo comes up first
[6:07] <raidensnake> it works fine on all pi's
[6:07] <blocky> so i just went with that, but i haven't placed it yet
[6:07] <blocky> anyone want to suggest a brand more reliable than samsung?
[6:08] <raidensnake> my sandisk is fine
[6:08] <raidensnake> and it's the biggest
[6:08] <blocky> 200gb sd card?
[6:08] <blocky> that's huge, what do you use that much space for?
[6:10] <raidensnake> internal webserver as well as an XDCC folder
[6:10] <blocky> i've been looking into a storage cluster but i ruled out rpi because of IO speed
[6:12] <raidensnake> I use dinoex modified
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[6:13] <raidensnake> xdcc works on IRC channels
[6:13] <blocky> yeah i remember using it years ago
[6:13] <blocky> downloading movies split into like 200 rar files lol
[6:14] <dedgecumbe> !list
[6:14] <blocky> ok ordered a 32gb samsung
[6:17] <ziddey> crank it up to 100mhz and enjoy
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[6:18] <spike> ziddey, how reliable is doing that?
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[6:23] <ziddey> no issues here so far. have an rpi1 with a 64gb evo running at 100mhz since sometime last year. got a 64gb evo in the rpi3 at 107 right now
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[6:27] <raidensnake> since when does a rpi have a backlight?
[6:28] <valesi> backlight?
[6:29] <dedgecumbe> wat
[6:29] <raidensnake> yeah the rpi kernel has a backlight module
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[6:30] <raidensnake> it may sound dumb but I'm doing a test complie and changing the config as needed to get rid of errors
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[6:37] <Valduare> I use the backlight all the time on my pi3
[6:37] <Valduare> lights up like a little ricer car at the stoplight intersection
[6:37] <Valduare> :P
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[6:41] <Crom> hmmm what did I order on the 10th
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[6:41] <Crom> probably a 0
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[7:05] <raidensnake> ugh...
[7:06] <raidensnake> why is't there something that works on the rpi3?
[7:06] <raidensnake> isn't*
[7:06] <spike> raidensnake, what something
[7:06] <spike> backlight?
[7:06] <spike> lol
[7:06] <raidensnake> no
[7:06] <raidensnake> any images or something so it boots
[7:06] <raidensnake> nothing works
[7:06] <raidensnake> tried every image under the sun and all fail to load the kernel
[7:07] <ziddey> you're doing it wrong?
[7:07] <raidensnake> no
[7:07] <raidensnake> I only get the rainbow
[7:07] <raidensnake> nothing else
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[7:08] <ziddey> you broke your sd slot
[7:08] <ziddey> :(
[7:10] <raidensnake> no it's working
[7:10] <raidensnake> just the images don't like the chipset as there isn't an rpi3 kernel
[7:11] <ziddey> same kernel as rpi2
[7:11] <raidensnake> doesn't workj
[7:11] <raidensnake> refuses to load
[7:12] <ziddey> sorry for your loss :(
[7:12] <raidensnake> works on a 2 just fine though
[7:12] <ziddey> jessie?
[7:13] <raidensnake> yeah
[7:13] <raidensnake> doesn't run at all on the 3 as the kernel refuses to load
[7:13] <ziddey> 2016-02-26?
[7:14] <raidensnake> tried that
[7:14] <raidensnake> and noobs
[7:14] <ziddey> you broke your sd slot
[7:14] <ziddey> :(
[7:16] <raidensnake> no I haven't
[7:16] <raidensnake> I checked
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[7:25] <toomanyerrors> ahhhhh
[7:25] <toomanyerrors> me
[7:25] <toomanyerrors> have hindi exam tomorrow
[7:25] <toomanyerrors> what me do?
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[8:22] <binaryhermit> hmm, I'm watching 1080p H264 on my pi 3 using <10% CPU
[8:23] <binaryhermit> <3 hardware acceleration
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[8:57] <Arthur_D> hi, I have an old Raspberry Pi I never got to work, tried again today but still no luck, should I give up or do you have any ideas for what more I can try?
[8:57] <ziddey> what
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[9:02] <phil42> do you have a working pi?
[9:02] <Arthur_D> no
[9:03] <phil42> do you have another sd card?
[9:03] <Arthur_D> yes, tried 3 or so SD cards a few years ago
[9:03] <phil42> the earliest pi had a problem with usb. try it with nothing connected to usb
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[9:06] <x29a> Arthur_D: are any of the LEDs indicating any action? did you try various power supplies? do you have a monitor connected?
[9:06] <Arthur_D> tried that, my issue is that the ACT LED never doing anything
[9:07] <x29a> power led steady?
[9:07] <Arthur_D> yes, various power supplies, I have one monitor connectied
[9:07] <Arthur_D> yes
[9:07] <x29a> how did you prepare the SD card?
[9:07] <Arthur_D> formatted with GParted
[9:07] <x29a> do you have a linux computer with cardreader handy?
[9:07] <Arthur_D> yes
[9:08] <phil42> you would not format the sd card.
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[9:08] <x29a> can you insert the card, see with e.g. gparted if it has two partitions, the first one beeing FAT, the second one beeing ext3/4
[9:08] <Arthur_D> well i formatted it as FAT32 and moved over the NOOBS file, extracted and removed the zip
[9:09] <phil42> that isn't how you do it
[9:09] <x29a> ok, i dont think thats going to work
[9:09] <phil42> you write the image with dd
[9:09] <x29a> you need to extract the noobs file on your host, then you have some noobs.img which you dd over to the sdcard
[9:09] <x29a> it contains the partition table and everything
[9:09] <phil42> dd if=imagefile of=sdcard
[9:10] <x29a> Arthur_D: or wait, is this a pre-installed NOOBS sdcard?
[9:10] <x29a> id start from scratch anyway
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[9:11] <Arthur_D> http://qdosmsq.dunbar-it.co.uk/blog/2013/06/noobs-for-raspberry-pi/ which is linked from the official site says unzipping should work fine
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[9:11] <x29a> phil42: looks like those are the instructions for noobs... http://elinux.org/RPi_Easy_SD_Card_Setup
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[9:12] <ShorTie> any particual reason to use noobs ??, just an image is better imho
[9:12] <x29a> nope ok
[9:12] <x29a> Arthur_D: the instructions are a bit misleading, it says "see below on how to flash"
[9:13] <Arthur_D> ok, will try downloading raspbian image then
[9:13] <x29a> so you extracted your noobs.zip, what does it contain?
[9:13] <x29a> Arthur_D: yeah, raspbian is also fine, then follow: http://elinux.org/RPi_Easy_SD_Card_Setup#Using_the_Linux_command_line
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[9:14] <Arthur_D> just a moment
[9:14] <x29a> dd if=raspbian.img of=/dev/sdb where sdb is your sdcard via the cardreader. dont put your internal harddrive there ;)
[9:14] <Arthur_D> I'm aware
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[9:14] <ShorTie> what os is your main pc Arthur_D ??
[9:14] <Arthur_D> tried the dd method years ago
[9:14] <Arthur_D> Kubuntu 14.04, the one I'm typing on
[9:15] <ShorTie> ok, then dd it is, windows is easier/safer
[9:15] <Arthur_D> these are the current contents of the SD card: http://pastebin.com/5NxGJkyu
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[9:15] <ShorTie> doesn't matter, writing a image will basically reformat and install stuff
[9:17] <Arthur_D> another thing is the SD slot on the Pi doesn't really hold the card by itself well
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[9:19] <Arthur_D> I used to have a case for the Pi but not sure where it is now
[9:19] <phil42> you might have to hold it in place with your finger or something while you test for proper boot
[9:19] <Arthur_D> yeah that's what I've done usually
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[9:22] <ShorTie> what model pi is it ??
[9:24] <Arthur_D> says Raspberry Pi (c)2011,12
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[9:26] <ShorTie> how many usb ports ??
[9:26] <Arthur_D> 2
[9:27] <ShorTie> sortta sounds like a model B then
[9:27] <Arthur_D> probably
[9:27] <ShorTie> what speed of sdcard are you using ??
[9:28] <Arthur_D> 4 GB class 4 SDHC
[9:30] <ShorTie> 4gb might be a problem, class 4 is slow but should work
[9:30] <kolla> is there any time schedule for when the pi zero will be available again?
[9:31] <Arthur_D> I have a 16 GB class 10 one, no partition on that one though
[9:32] <ShorTie> that might be better, don't need no partitions or anything on it
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[9:32] <ShorTie> image write will take care of all that
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[9:34] <Arthur_D> so where do I write it to? /dev/sdf?
[9:34] <Arthur_D> fdisk -l shows all my hard drives up to sdd
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[9:35] <ShorTie> if /dev/sdf is where the sdcard is
[9:35] <ShorTie> it should not be mounted
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[9:35] <Arthur_D> sure, but how do I make sure it's there? That's where it mounted the other sd card though
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[9:37] <ShorTie> dmesg will tell you
[9:37] <Arthur_D> ah right, thanks
[9:38] <ShorTie> cat /etc/mtab might help too
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[9:43] <Arthur_D> dd could not open /dev/sdf: Medium not found
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[9:43] <x29a> Arthur_D: open gparted, it will show you which device is the SD card
[9:43] <x29a> it scans for devices, then select the one with one FAT partition and 4GB space ;)
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[9:44] <Arthur_D> well I was trying with the 16 GB one with no partition
[9:45] <x29a> ok, then look for a device with 16GB
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[9:45] <x29a> normally, when you insert your sdcard, it will show up in dmesg
[9:45] <x29a> maybe insert your sdcard into the reader, then connect the reader to the usbport. or vice versa
[9:45] <ShorTie> what is your dd line ??
[9:46] <x29a> Arthur_D: i have an usb cardreader that creates the devices for all slots, eventhough there are no cards in. worst case scenario, fdisk each of them and see where a card responds
[9:47] <Arthur_D> yes, same here
[9:47] <x29a> for me it helps to insert the card, then connect to usb
[9:47] <x29a> then dmesg shows one of the devices with an actual size
[9:48] <Arthur_D> seems like the card reader doesn't see the 16 GB card at all
[9:48] <Arthur_D> dmesg doesn't show anything when I put it in
[9:49] <x29a> does it work with the 4GB one?
[9:49] <Arthur_D> yes
[9:49] <x29a> then use that one for now
[9:49] <x29a> maybe something with SDHC or who knows
[9:53] <Arthur_D> ok, it's copying
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[10:00] <x29a> Arthur_D: via dd?
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[10:02] <lxsameer> hi, I'm using raspbian, when I make any change to my root fs (e.g removing a directory) after a reboot everything goes back to how it were. any idea why?
[10:03] <Arthur_D> x29a: yes
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[10:08] <linuxmint> Hello, my Raspberry Pi says No wireless interfaces found, after I added a new SSID to wpa. Any suggestions?
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[10:08] <x29a> lxsameer: is your card write protected (some have a switch on the side) or when you are booted, is the system readonly? maybe mounted to ram or something weird? where exactly did you remove the folder?
[10:09] <x29a> linuxmint: which wifi dongle are you using and is it showing up in lsusb or dmesg when you insert it? is it blinking?
[10:09] <lxsameer> x29a: the mmc does not have any switch, and root fs mounted as rw ( as far as df say ) and I remove some directories inside /root/
[10:10] <linuxmint> x29a: I'm using Edimax Technology Co., Ltd EW-7811Un 802.11N Wireless Adapter [Realtek RTL8188CUS]. Yes, it shows in $ lsusb. Nothing flashing.
[10:11] <x29a> lxsameer: do you see any errors in the systemlog? maybe the mmc is broken
[10:11] <lxsameer> x29a: no
[10:11] <x29a> linuxmint: check dmesg if it creates a wireless interface (e.g. wlan0)
[10:13] <linuxmint> x29a: Hmmm, don't see any wlan0 in the $ dmesg?
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[10:16] <linuxmint> x29a: Ah, at 3.484906 seconds, the WLAN Adapter is found.
[10:17] <linuxmint> 3.484915 seconds is the Manufacturer: Realtek.
[10:17] <linuxmint> ...on usb 1-1.5.
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[10:19] <Arthur_D> still not booting :(
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[10:22] <x29a> linuxmint: but no wifi device created?
[10:23] <x29a> maybe an udev issue. which operating system are you on?
[10:23] <ShorTie> what lights do you see Arthur_D ??
[10:23] <Arthur_D> only the power one
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[10:23] <linuxmint> x29a: well, the Wi-Fi files are available for editing, however the Panel to select the Wi-Fi SSID says 'No wireless interfaces found'.
[10:24] <x29a> Arthur_D: put the SD back in the cardreader, see if the first partition is marked as bootable (e.g. fdisk or gparted)
[10:24] <linuxmint> Jessie
[10:24] <ShorTie> sounds like a bad dd write
[10:24] <ShorTie> what is the dd line you used ??
[10:24] <Arthur_D> sudo dd bs=4M if=/home/magne/Nedlastinger/2016-02-26-raspbian-jessie.img of=/dev/sdf
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[10:25] <ShorTie> did you sync a couple times after the write ??
[10:25] <Arthur_D> once yes
[10:25] <ShorTie> i'd do it a couple times
[10:26] <Arthur_D> because?
[10:26] <x29a> i think its fine
[10:26] <x29a> Arthur_D: does gparted see the partitions correcly?
[10:26] <ShorTie> and 'cat /etc/mtad' didn't show /dev/sdf ??
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[10:26] <linuxmint> x29a: Jessie 8.0.
[10:27] <ShorTie> s/mtad/mtab/
[10:27] <Arthur_D> x29a: no, it says not allocated for the whole card
[10:27] <x29a> linuxmint: did you fetch the latest firmware and such? rpi-update, apt-get upgrade, etc.
[10:27] <x29a> Arthur_D: reinsert the SD
[10:27] <x29a> i think you are struggling with a bad card reader
[10:28] <x29a> try a different one, or if you dont have another one, try at least a different cable
[10:28] <ShorTie> don't be using rpi-update, unless you really know what your doing and why
[10:28] <x29a> ShorTie: why is that?
[10:28] <ShorTie> because shiftplusone says
[10:28] <linuxmint> x29a: Mmm, a few days ago I think, but I'll recheck and update when I have access to an Ethernet cable in a few hours...thanks.
[10:29] <x29a> shiftplusone: why not use rpi-update?
[10:29] <mfa298> x29a: I think the idea is that they already provide packages for the firmware - which have had some testing
[10:29] <x29a> linuxmint: normally, dmesg should says something about "ah, realtek found, loading driver blabla, assigning device wlan0" and you are good to go
[10:30] <mfa298> the stuff you get via rpi-update is more testing so could be buggy and potentially stop your pi working
[10:30] <x29a> mfa298: ok, not sure about the latest raspbian, but it saved me a couple of times from not working firmware, especially around wifi dongles
[10:31] <Arthur_D> x29a: seems like reinserting it a few times does not help gparted to see the partitions
[10:31] <x29a> linuxmint: also, for whatever reason, try another usbport. and, hopefully you have a big strong PSU?
[10:31] <Arthur_D> however I can see the boot partition in the file manager
[10:31] <x29a> ok, so its mounted? on a terminal, say "mount" and check where that boot partition is mounted from
[10:32] <x29a> which device, maybe /dev/sdf1
[10:32] <x29a> fdisk /dev/sdf
[10:32] <x29a> there should be at least two partitions
[10:32] <x29a> again, use a different way to write to your card. maybe have an internal card reader?
[10:33] <Arthur_D> I don't have that on my desktop
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[10:33] <Arthur_D> fdisk /dev/sdf shows two partitions
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[10:34] <x29a> are you familiar with fdisk?
[10:34] <mfa298> x29a: there's a raspberrypi-bootloader package now that has the kernel and related bits in now (at least on jessie)
[10:34] <Arthur_D> http://pastebin.com/6zMCSydE
[10:34] <ShorTie> sounds like the pi doesn't like that sdcard or it's not making good contact
[10:34] <Arthur_D> x29a: a bit, not a lot
[10:34] <x29a> Arthur_D: push "a", then "1" to activate the bootflag for the first partition
[10:34] <ShorTie> got a cloths pin maybe ??
[10:35] <ShorTie> don't need no boot flag
[10:35] <x29a> Arthur_D: also, while you are at it, fsck both partitions
[10:36] <ShorTie> i'm not sure the latest image will fit on a 4gb sdcard
[10:36] <ShorTie> maybe grab the light version for yucks and try it
[10:36] <x29a> it should at least get into the bootloader, hence blink a bit, right?
[10:36] <ShorTie> not if dd didn't finish right
[10:37] <x29a> Arthur_D: how big was the .img? yeah, maybe try RASPBIAN JESSIE LITE
[10:37] <x29a> Arthur_D: did dd show any errors?
[10:37] <Arthur_D> http://pastebin.com/eUy4yaqU
[10:37] <x29a> it should state "xx bytes written in yy seconds" or something when its done
[10:38] <x29a> try the lite image ;)
[10:38] <Arthur_D> http://pastebin.com/RBeiHZJB
[10:39] <Arthur_D> no errors as you can see
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[10:39] <x29a> yeah, but close call
[10:42] <Arthur_D> okay I can try another 4 GB card from another manufacturer, and the lite image
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[10:47] <ShorTie> stick a ' && sync' on the end of the dd line, and i'd still do it again
[10:51] <Arthur_D> no ACT
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[10:53] <Arthur_D> http://pastebin.com/tjNetvEp
[10:54] <x29a> fdisk shows both partitions? for the fun of it, mark the first one bootable and fsck again
[10:54] <ShorTie> can you sqeeze the sdcard up to the rpi and try booting ??
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[10:55] <Arthur_D> fdisk shows both yes
[10:55] <Arthur_D> and of course I did that ShorTie
[10:57] <Arthur_D> fsck shows no errors on either partition
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[10:58] <ShorTie> sorry, sortta sounds like a dead pi
[10:59] <Arthur_D> seems like it
[10:59] <x29a> Arthur_D: did you check the pins of the sd slot visually?
[10:59] <ShorTie> with linux, you should see all the files in both partitions
[10:59] <x29a> i did have a DOA rpi2 too, wouldnt bootup, got it replaced though
[10:59] <x29a> Arthur_D: which powersupply are you using?
[10:59] <Arthur_D> pins look good to me
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[11:00] <Arthur_D> 5V 1A
[11:00] <x29a> no devices attached on usb, right
[11:00] <Arthur_D> right
[11:00] <x29a> yeah, then i think you are in the merits if hardware debugging. or hardware disposal
[11:01] <Arthur_D> no experience with hw debugging so more likely disposal
[11:01] <x29a> you cant RMA it, right?
[11:02] <Arthur_D> no I bought it years ago so I think my chance has passed long ago
[11:02] <ShorTie> you could try rma'g it back to the foundation
[11:02] <ShorTie> are you a student ?? lol.
[11:02] <Arthur_D> no
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[11:03] <ShorTie> bummer, but it still might hurt to try to rma it, if it doesn't cost that much to send that is
[11:03] <linuxmint> x29a: ok, ran $ sudo apt-get update. Rebooted. Chaned Wi-Fi dongle to another USB. PSU is 5.0V 2.0A. Same error: No wireless interfaces found.
[11:04] <x29a> Arthur_D: no visually detectable defects on the board itself? ripped of SMD parts or so?
[11:04] <Arthur_D> no, nothing
[11:04] <x29a> linuxmint: that message is from network-manager? can you check on the terminal with iwconfig?
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[11:05] <x29a> linuxmint: also, after apt-get update (which updates the package list), run an apt-get upgrade ;)
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[11:05] <x29a> but id be surprised if that firmware is not stock in jessie
[11:05] <Arthur_D> maybe I should get a RPi 3
[11:06] <ShorTie> does 'lsmod' show the device loaded ??
[11:06] <x29a> is firmware-realtek included by default?
[11:06] <Arthur_D> though heard 3 has some thermal issues
[11:08] <linuxmint> x29a: yes, from the Panel > network icon. $ iwconfig > http://dpaste.com/343AWDC
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[11:08] <x29a> linuxmint: the device is there, weird name though
[11:08] <x29a> dmesg | grep wlan0
[11:08] <Arthur_D> anyway I don't really have much use for it so not sure I care to spend money on something that probably will gather dust after a month
[11:09] <linuxmint> x29a: k, running upgrade now.
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[11:11] <x29a> linuxmint: right click on your network manager icon, maybe there is an entry for settings
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[11:11] <x29a> tell it to manage your device wlan0wlan0
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[11:11] <x29a> i dont have a graphical raspbian handy, no clue which service it is
[11:12] <x29a> linuxmint: so its an issue of that network manager, not the dongle or driver/firmware. and maybe udev which screws up the name
[11:12] <linuxmint> x29a: yes, there is, but it shows a basic GUI to Configure: SSID. Then the IP Address and other fields are greyed out.
[11:12] <linuxmint> k, thanks.
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[12:34] <benoliver999> I have an old pi 1 lying around. If I installed arch on it, mounted a drive over NFS, what sort of write speeds could I expect to said drive? Coming in+out through ethernet.
[12:34] <linuxmint> well, the Jessie 8.0 upgrade worked, but then an update caused rebooting to load into a black screen with an underscore blinking at the top left?
[12:35] <benoliver999> Assuming the destination can take it of course
[12:35] <linuxmint> Looks like a reinstall is needed.
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[12:40] <mgottschlag> benoliver999: well, 10MB/s are the theoretical limit of ethernet for large transfers
[12:40] <mgottschlag> I would expect NFS to be rather light on the CPU
[12:40] <mgottschlag> so it should be possible to get good performance, I have never tried that though
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[12:41] <benoliver999> 10MB/s would be alright
[12:42] <benoliver999> I might give it a shot, see what happens
[12:42] <benoliver999> I used to do it over usb and that was painful... but now it's all over a network cable so hopefully it's a little better
[12:43] <mgottschlag> well, it should certainly be slower than a USB HDD
[12:44] <benoliver999> You think that transfering from a USB to NFS, the NFS was the bottleneck?
[12:44] <benoliver999> I was getting 3MB/s rsync over ssh in that case
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[12:45] <mgottschlag> SSH uses encryption, unlike NFS
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[12:45] <mgottschlag> is the pi the NFS server, or the client?
[12:45] <benoliver999> Sorry you are quite right
[12:45] <benoliver999> The client
[12:45] <mgottschlag> so, NFS should always be slower than a local USB HDD, that's what I meant
[12:46] <benoliver999> Right
[12:46] <mgottschlag> but if your server is capable enough, then NFS also should be the bottleneck
[12:46] <mgottschlag> or rather, 100Mbit ethernet
[12:46] <benoliver999> Yes, the server can take it
[12:47] <benoliver999> So I should be getting more than 100mbit off a local USB HDD?
[12:47] <mgottschlag> I'd expect that, yes
[12:47] <benoliver999> Because if that is the case, NFS is causing the slow-down and I won't bother because it won't improve
[12:48] <linuxmint> Hello, what's Raspbian Jessie Lite like?
[12:48] <benoliver999> Especially since this time around it will be over ssh
[12:48] <mgottschlag> usually, USB HDDs provide 20-30MB/s throughput... obviously only for sequential access
[12:48] <benoliver999> Righ
[12:48] <mgottschlag> I don't know whether the pi's cpu will limit the speed though, probably depends on the application
[12:48] <benoliver999> I wasn't sure because someone mentioned something about the USB and the ethernet sharing resources
[12:49] <benoliver999> But I'm probably mis-remembering it
[12:49] <mgottschlag> yeah, it's the other way round though... ethernet (100Mbit) is connected to the USB bus (480Mbit/s)
[12:49] <benoliver999> Aah
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[13:21] <Axy> Hi all
[13:21] <Axy> is it possible to do headless setup for bluetootk keyboard on the nex rpi3
[13:22] <defsdoor> benoliver999, I mount my media over nfs - gave up on pi 1
[13:22] <defsdoor> primarily because it was too slow sorting the lists
[13:23] <defsdoor> (which ultimately isnt anything to do with nfs)
[13:23] <phil42> a man was arrested after trying to rush the stage at a campaign rally for Donald Trump. the secret service said that he was demented and dangerous but they had to protect him anyway.
[13:23] <defsdoor> never had any problems with playback though
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[13:28] <benoliver999> No me neither.
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[13:28] <benoliver999> I used it to back up my NAS which didn't have any usb ports.
[13:29] <benoliver999> It was very, very slow but I was wondering if USB was causing the issue. Sounds like it's a dead end to try again tbh
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[13:36] <mlelstv> Donald Trump was demented and dangerous but they had to protect him anyway? Yeah, fits.
[13:36] <Stavros_> oh god, Trump's made it into the RPi channel? Is nowhere sacred?
[13:37] <Betablocker> http://trumpdonald.org/
[13:37] <Betablocker> hihi
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[13:38] <Stavros_> Thank god for the internet
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[13:45] <Stavros_> But at the risk of being ever so slightly more on topic: I don't understand SBCs, I don't understand Linux. I still - after having googled it quite exhaustively - do not understand the kernel. I know that a lot of work has gone into doing stuff to the kernel to make Linux work on the RPi, but I don't know how or... even why for that matter. I cannot even vaguely state "Well the SoC used by the RPi isn't/wasn't/couldn't do X so they needed t
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[13:51] <SpeedEvil> Stavros_: what do you mean
[13:52] <SpeedEvil> Stavros_: I can't see a question in that
[13:52] <Stavros_> I know, I keep trying to round my frustration off into a simple question but can't quite manage it
[13:53] <Strykar> Anyone using the GrovePi hat with another hat? http://www.dexterindustries.com/GrovePi/
[13:54] <Stavros_> I thought hatstacking was bad?
[13:55] <Strykar> I thought you could stack over a dozen hats
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[13:56] <Stavros_> I read somewhere that you weren't meant to, I'm not even 50% sure though.
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[13:56] <mfa298> I think the HAT specification suggests you shouldn't stack them as they should all contain a config eeprom and if there's >1 HAT you don't know which eeprom will be used.
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[13:57] <mfa298> You could also find the various HATS try to use the same GPIO pins so at best they may not work and at worst might cause damage
[14:00] <Stavros_> SpeedEvil: I'm from Windows, and the Linux kernel is a black box to me. On top of that are complications that arise from running it on a SBC... but that's where my understanding ends. It might as well be "here be dragons".
[14:01] <mfa298> Stavros_: you may be best to look at what and Operating system is more generically.
[14:01] <SpeedEvil> Stavros_: It's just a very small PC without PCI/... and only USB/... out.
[14:01] <Stavros_> I'm beginning to think I need to follow a Linux From Scratch tutorial if I want to properly learn about this
[14:02] <SpeedEvil> Stavros_: the differences between a motherboard with integrated CPU and the pi are not notable in general.
[14:02] <Stavros_> Then why the need for kernel optimizations?
[14:02] <SpeedEvil> Because it's not a PC.
[14:02] <mfa298> Stavros_: for instance Windows also has a kernel, and effectively the kernel is just a bit of software that interfaces between other (userspace) software and the hardware)
[14:02] <SpeedEvil> Stavros_: For a PC, all the kernel stuff is mostly compatible because all PCs work the same.
[14:02] <SpeedEvil> Stavros_: (sort-of)
[14:03] <SpeedEvil> Stavros_: The Pi is a totally different CPU, and array of GPU/... it needs code added to make linux boot at all.
[14:03] <Stavros_> mfa298: I know, Windows has a hybrid kernel vs linux's monolithic kernel, which I'm given to understand means linux has more stuff 'under the hood' whereas a lot of windows stuff - like drivrs - is in userspace
[14:04] <Stavros_> SpeedEvil: "All PCs work the same", kinda need you to massively elaborate on that
[14:04] <mfa298> kernel optimizations are more about making software work well with the hardware features you have (in particular CPU features, memory controllers etc)
[14:04] <SpeedEvil> Stavros_: All PC motherboards to a large degree share PCIe, chipsets, BIOS, ... ACPI
[14:05] <Stavros_> mfa298: how? For instance how would changes in the kernel affect browser performance?
[14:05] <SpeedEvil> Stavros_: All of this infrastructure has already been coded - and there is a fair chance that if you stick linux on a brand new motherboard it will basically work.
[14:05] <mfa298> even on a PC there might be different sets of kernel optimizations for single/multi CPU, 32bit/64bit CPU etc.
[14:06] <Stavros_> SpeedEvil: Ahhh good point, I didn't consider all the stuff actually on the board
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[14:06] <SpeedEvil> Stavros_: The Pi is a utterly different board with none of these interfaces that help linux. They must all be recoded from scratch.
[14:06] <mfa298> (and that has been true in windows as well as linux - although ore obvious on the server/professional versions)
[14:07] <Stavros_> SpeedEvil: That sounds like they're reinventing the wheel
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[14:07] <mfa298> the optimizations can even go down to the sets of instructions the CPU supports (historically things like SSE, MMX etc)
[14:07] <SpeedEvil> Stavros_: Those interfaces add cost and power consumption and ... and are only compatible with x86 generally
[14:08] <SpeedEvil> Stavros_: So if you optimise for cost, you can't afford the conveniences that make linux/windows easy to boot and must do work for that new platform
[14:09] <mfa298> Stavros_: for the Pi, some of that work has already been done, ARM machines had been around for a while before the Pi came along (android phones for one), but a lot of the interfaces are more specific to the chip used so there's some work needed to get the mappings right.
[14:09] <mfa298> so not totally re-inventing the wheel, just perfecting it for the particular use case.
[14:09] <SpeedEvil> ARM doesn't have ACPI/...
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[14:10] <SpeedEvil> so a booting kernel often can't even tell what processor it is running on easily.
[14:10] <SpeedEvil> Never mind how peripherals are connected
[14:10] <SpeedEvil> So it all needs to be a lot more custom.
[14:10] <SpeedEvil> Again - for reasons of cost.
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[14:11] <Stavros_> So all these 'competitor' boards are basically stillborn then, if we assume an equivalent amount of work involved?
[14:11] <Stavros_> (Except, it would seem, for the x86 ones)
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[14:13] <mfa298> For most of the SBC boards using the arm cpu there's likely similar work to be done. Sometimes it may be fairly easy if there's something similar already in place thats available
[14:13] <SpeedEvil> This is for the kernel only.
[14:13] <SpeedEvil> Once you have the kernel up and configured, all of the user applications can simply be compiled as normal
[14:13] <SpeedEvil> (sort-of, there are exceptions)
[14:13] <Stavros_> speaking of
[14:14] <mfa298> Unfortunately some of the realy low level bits tend to be under NDA so there can be as much time/cost in paper work as actually doing stuff
[14:14] <Stavros_> I read a post by a guy who claimed to run Firefox in Gentoo using practically half the RAM that it did in Arch - how can that possibly be true?
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[14:16] <mfa298> x86 machines tend to be easier as the specs are usually more open and the boards/ processors generally provide similar features. You could possibly get a bit more performance from a specific CPU be re-compiling everying for that exact CPU and it's feature set. But the effort involved probably isn't worth it for the performance gain you'll get
[14:17] <TheSin> I feel really silly asking this, but if voltage is right, should the red light on the pi be one or off? I was sure when I first got them it was also off unless under powered, but now I'm seeing the opposite, and I'm just confused :\
[14:18] <mfa298> as for memory usuage between OSes i'd suspect a flaw in testing (for instance some addons can significantly increase memory usage)
[14:18] <mfa298> TheSin: it should be on if the PSU is providing enough voltage, it goes off for underpowered
[14:18] <Stavros_> I've gotta say mfa298, SpeedEvil - you guys are really showing me the RPi in a whole new light, I knew a lot of work had gone into it... but didn't suspect that kernel optimizations were so close to the metal, as it were
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[14:19] <TheSin> kk thanks, it must have always been that way and I'm just not remembering, that being said how can the red light be on, I'm seeing 4.95v on the header yet I still see the rainbow in the corner on my display
[14:19] <icemanbp> guys, anyone had used mosquitto with raspy?
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[14:21] <mfa298> 4.95 is within the allowed tollerance so that's not an undervolt condition
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[14:22] <TheSin> mfa298, right which is why the rainbow on the display is throwing me off, which is likely why I got confused about the state of the light
[14:22] <TheSin> so red light is on constant (which is good), I can measure 4.95v (which is good), but the rainbow is on the display which is weird
[14:23] <Stavros_> corrupt SD?
[14:23] <Stavros_> or no
[14:24] <Stavros_> no SD? what happens when you power on a Rpi without an SD?
[14:25] <KlausedSource> I haven't found a documented way of "using" raspi-config without ncurses/gui. I want to write a script that sets all the settings in raspi-config which I like. Any Ideas or known ways I am not aware of?
[14:25] <Stavros_> not simply a case of copy/pasting the .conf file?
[14:26] <mfa298> KlausedSource: there's a couple of options you can run via parameters
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[14:26] <mfa298> you'll need to read the source (it's just python) to find them (I'm not sure they're documented elsewhere)
[14:27] <mfa298> you could also just read the source to see what the various changes do and impliment the same in your script
[14:27] <KlausedSource> Stavros_, the .conf file doesn't cover every setting :)
[14:27] <sasha> Hey guys, anyone know of a tool that monitors ping and has some minimal graphs?
[14:28] <sasha> I'd like to monitor suspicious network performance from my isp
[14:28] <mfa298> sasha: there's bigger tools that can do a lot of that (nagios/icinga/zabbix)
[14:28] <sasha> is there a super simple github repo?
[14:28] <Stavros_> not sure minimal is what you need for analyzing network performance
[14:28] <mfa298> other tools can probably monitor it but I'm not sure if they'll provide graphs
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[14:30] <Stavros_> KlausedSource: You might want to check out DietPi, I'm not 100% sure but it seems like it includes just about everything configurable in its headless setup config
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[14:38] <MiningInc> Is there something that I need to change/modify in the raspberry pi config for SSH access from outside the LAN? I have forwarded correct port, etc... Just cannot see/recognize pi when trying to SSH from outside the LAN pi is on.
[14:39] <MiningInc> sasha you could use the data you get from one of those network analysis tools, then build a script/program with python to visualize it.
[14:39] <mfa298> MiningInc: I don't think so, can you SSH in from inside the LAN ?
[14:39] <MiningInc> mfa298. Yup. Without issue.
[14:40] <MiningInc> I am using Raspbian
[14:40] <mfa298> MiningInc: and can the Pi get out to the internet happily - If so I'd suspect something in your port forwarding settings on the router
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[14:41] <KlausedSource> Stavros_, it's not exactly what I was looking for but thx
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[14:41] <MiningInc> mfa298 Yeah. Seems fine for outbound communication
[14:42] <MiningInc> this router is about useless for configurabliity... Now this BS with TP link being forced to LOCKout open source firmware on any future devices.
[14:42] <mfa298> KlausedSource: I'm not sure you saw the messages I sent above, but you can look at the raspi-config source (it's just python) and do the same things in your own script
[14:43] <mfa298> KlausedSource: a few of the options can also be run with a flag to raspi-config (the only one I've used is to expand the filesystem)
[14:43] <MiningInc> On a side note.. I think that is completely crazy that they government can say the user cannot use their own software/firmware to enhance their purchased device.
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[14:44] <MiningInc> mfa298 Awesome! I am pretty noob with the pi, and learning Python. Did not realize raspi-config was written in pyton
[14:44] <MiningInc> python*
[14:44] <Stavros_> MiningInc: Lol, why shouldn't the government get in on the act? Corporations have been screwing us like that since forever.
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[14:45] <PCatinean> Hello everyone!
[14:45] <KlausedSource> mfa298, oh no sorry haven't seen it. Will look up the github.
[14:45] <MiningInc> Stavros_ lol. fair point
[14:45] <mfa298> oops, slight mistake there raspi-config is /bin/sh not python - still it's a script you can read
[14:46] <MiningInc> mfa298 +1
[14:46] <MiningInc> makes more sense to me now.
[14:46] <Stavros_> MiningInc: at the end of the day though it's about their ability to enforce it
[14:46] <Stavros_> which, presently, isn't particularly threatening
[14:46] <mfa298> this is useful to see if a program is a script or binary (and other things): file `which raspi-config`
[14:47] <Stavros_> but as someone who remembers the days when law enforcement were reduced to lurking on forums in order to catch criminals, those buggers do catch up fast
[14:47] <MiningInc> Stavros_ Exactly... TP-Link's solving the issue by creating some sort of 'lock' that prevents any firmware from being edited/uploaded
[14:47] <MiningInc> which seems not possible...as how would they ever make a system that couldn't be updated lol
[14:47] <Stavros_> using a hardware key
[14:48] <Stavros_> like intel's trusted computing module
[14:48] <Stavros_> although standard signed updates should work just as well
[14:48] <Stavros_> I dunno, total novice here.
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[14:55] <Tenkawa> hi all
[14:55] <Stavros_> o/
[14:57] <Tenkawa> oops brb
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[14:58] <TheSin> anyone have a good example of how to get uart0, ttyAMA0, pin14 and 15 working a the same time as uart1, ttyS0, pin 40 and 41 ?
[14:59] <TheSin> I'm tying with dtoverlay=uart1,txd1_pin=40,rxd1_pin=41
[14:59] <TheSin> but that doesn't seem to be doing anything, it's my first time playing with the overlays, finally made it to this point ;)
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[15:00] <TheSin> I want to keep uart0 as the console for debug, but have uart1 avail for a piece of custom software that communicats with an other board
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[15:03] <Tenkawa> TheSin: i'd help however all of my external consoles have ben via ftdi
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[15:03] <TheSin> Tenkawa, np, that is how I currently have it, but trying to get closer to a production board so need to save costs now ;)
[15:04] <Tenkawa> ahh
[15:04] <Tenkawa> yeah i hear ya
[15:04] <dewp> hey guys. i think i'm not using the right keywords. i want to create a sine wave and output it to audio jack via python
[15:04] <dewp> is this even possible?
[15:04] <Tenkawa> which model pi you working with if you dont mind me asking
[15:04] <TheSin> just want to get both UARTs up and tested before I complete my CM board
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[15:04] <TheSin> Tenkawa, I have them all ;)
[15:04] <Tenkawa> same here
[15:05] <Tenkawa> got my 3 finally up and running last night and wow its nice
[15:05] <TheSin> Tenkawa, cept the Pi3, but 4 shoud arrive today, but ultimately I'm planing on the CM3 for production
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[15:06] <TheSin> just trying to get a few things on the Pi working via GPIOs, mainly the UARTs and sound
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[15:07] <TheSin> so once uart is done I'm off to test pwm ;)
[15:09] <mgottschlag> dewp: well, of course... you'd need some kind of alsa library (or similar audio library) which allows you to output raw buffers
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[15:09] <mgottschlag> I've done things like that with OpenAL before
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[15:11] <dewp> ah. cool. will investigate further :-)
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[15:12] <dewp> i want to use sound output to my c02 (ok, fart)-detector. it's silent and as more the air gets polluted as louder will the sound be :-)
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[15:13] <dewp> or maybe a kind of theremin with distance sensor. so modulating will be necessary
[15:13] <skulltip> got my rasp pi 3 the other day, am loving it. raspbian worked without a hitch. i notice that vice (c64) complains it isn't fast enough. is there another emulator or os i can use?
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[15:17] <Tenkawa> still wish the pi3 could transcode vid better heehee
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[15:19] <skulltip> and is there any chance a usb stick would be faster than the microsd card? or a usb portable hd?
[15:20] <TheSin> skulltip, there is a new HDD made for the Pi now, maybe it'd be faster?
[15:20] <ozzzy> if it's usb it won't be faster
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[15:20] <TheSin> http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/03/western-digital-makes-a-46-314gb-hard-drive-just-for-the-raspberry-pi/
[15:21] <KINGoflian> Is this a suitable place for technical questions?
[15:21] <TheSin> yeah USB will be the road block but the caches on the drive might help a bit
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[15:21] <skulltip> nice link, ty TheSin
[15:22] <KINGoflian> Can I ask something?
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[15:22] <TheSin> skulltip, np, can't say it'll help but worth a shot maybe?
[15:22] <mgottschlag> note that, while USB HDDs don't get anywhere near the theoretical USB bandwidth, SD cards don't really reach their advertised speed either
[15:22] <mgottschlag> KINGoflian: NO, NEVER.
[15:22] <mgottschlag> KINGoflian: don't ask to ask, just ask :p
[15:22] <KINGoflian> WARNING: The following essential packages will be removed. This should NOT be done unless you know exactly what you are doing! login libpam-runtime (due to login)
[15:22] <KINGoflian> So..
[15:22] <KINGoflian> I am getting this error
[15:22] <KINGoflian> after I do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
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[15:23] <KINGoflian> I don't really think that removing login is a good thing
[15:23] <Tenkawa> did you apt-get update first
[15:23] <KINGoflian> yep
[15:23] <happycube> are you on jessie?
[15:23] <KINGoflian> ya
[15:23] <Tenkawa> that is an odd dependency for it to try to delete
[15:23] <mgottschlag> can you pastebin the complete output of apt-get upgrade?
[15:23] <TheSin> ^^^
[15:23] <KINGoflian> I am running apt-get update again
[15:23] <mgottschlag> and did you enable any third party repositories?
[15:24] <Tenkawa> pasrebin for sure
[15:24] <skulltip> when i installed raspbian it logs me in automatically as root. didnt get chance to set up user account, is that normal? I dont mind not having to enter a password and use default stuff
[15:24] <Tenkawa> er pasrebin
[15:24] <KINGoflian> there were conflicting repos
[15:24] <Tenkawa> ugghg pastebin
[15:24] <KINGoflian> but i removed them and now there's only the default jessie ones left
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[15:24] <Tenkawa> wow my typing is great today
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[15:24] <mgottschlag> what happens if you try reinstall login? apt-get --reinstall install login or something like that
[15:25] <mgottschlag> (shouldn't change anything though)
[15:25] <KINGoflian> http://pastebin.com/Rkucjynq
[15:25] <KINGoflian> Here's the pastebin of apt-get update
[15:25] <KINGoflian> upgrade*
[15:25] <KINGoflian> basically everything have been kept back
[15:25] <mgottschlag> sorry, I meant dist-upgrade
[15:26] <skulltip> rasp pi 3 - i read somewhere someone did overclock it, but they dont say where they changed the numbers at
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[15:26] <KINGoflian> http://pastebin.com/7jLUxx3Z
[15:26] <KINGoflian> Here's the paste
[15:26] <KINGoflian> for dist-upgrade
[15:26] <Tenkawa> shantorn: same place as usual
[15:27] <skulltip> http://www.jackenhack.com/raspberry-pi-3-overclocking/
[15:27] <skulltip> oh wait, i found it. nm
[15:27] <Tenkawa> something is definitely amiss
[15:27] <Stavros_> yeah people have been getting insane ocs out of the pi3
[15:27] <Stavros_> although there's a huge silicon lottery involved
[15:27] <Tenkawa> KINGoflian: do you have anything in the sources dirs in /etc/apt/
[15:28] <happycube> yeah - unfortunatly there aren't any other customers to stick a low-binned chip with ;)
[15:28] <KINGoflian> you mean the sources.list?
[15:29] <happycube> roku for instance still buys bcm2835's for the streaming stick
[15:29] <Tenkawa> KINGoflian: theres a sources.d or sources.list.d dir under there too right?
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[15:29] <Tenkawa> forgetting name atm
[15:29] <KINGoflian> collabora-experimental.list collabora.list raspi.list
[15:29] <KINGoflian> what is collabora lol
[15:29] <Tenkawa> check those for conflicting entries
[15:29] <Stavros_> that's actually a really good point - RPF could differentiate between high performance and 'normal' performance chips, sell the high performance "factory OC'd" Pis at a premium on their store
[15:29] <Stavros_> raise some more money without actually costing them anything
[15:30] <happycube> ... with a heatsink i'd hope
[15:30] <KINGoflian> deb http://raspberrypi.collabora.com wheezy rpi
[15:30] <KINGoflian> i guess these are the ones causing problems then
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[15:31] <Tenkawa> could possibly
[15:31] <KINGoflian> all 3 files in the directory have these pointing to wheezy repos
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[15:31] <Tenkawa> i usually dont use all of those repos so i cant say for sure
[15:31] <KINGoflian> I can remove all of them right?
[15:31] <KINGoflian> even the raspi.list can be removed?
[15:32] <Tenkawa> that i cannot say
[15:32] <Tenkawa> someone else should chime in
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[15:33] <KINGoflian> I had all of them moved to another folder
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[15:33] <KINGoflian> Running apt-get update now
[15:34] <Tenkawa> ok
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[15:43] <Tenkawa> brb
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[15:44] <TheSin> so according to http://elinux.org/RPi_BCM2835_GPIOs#PWMx PWM1 isn't on any GPIO by default?
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[15:45] <Tenkawa> better
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[15:47] <TheSin> Tenkawa, you running raspbian ?
[15:48] <Tenkawa> on some of the pis yes
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[15:48] <Tenkawa> core debian on the rest
[15:48] <Stavros_> No Arch? :(
[15:49] <Tenkawa> nor slackware (which tempts me still)
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[15:50] * Tenkawa started on slackware back in 93
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[15:55] <Stavros_> hmm, I'm pretty new to linux and stuff but it seems like Arch is the evolution of slackware in most ways (aside from stability)
[15:56] <Tenkawa> Stavros_: each has their own +/- in my opinion just like commercial unixes
[15:57] <TheSin> Tenkawa, on one of the Pis with Raspbian can you do a dpkg -S gpio for me
[15:57] <TheSin> I need to know which package has the gpio binary in it so I can get it ;)
[15:57] <Tenkawa> TheSin: at the moment no.. no access to any of them where i am atm
[15:58] <TheSin> ah okay np, I'll just download raspbian real fast and load it up ;)
[15:58] <Tenkawa> the one i have (pi zero) here i forgot to bring a console cable heheheh
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[15:58] <Tenkawa> i left it plugged into the 3 last night oops
[15:58] <Tenkawa> heehee
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[16:07] <t3chguy> Tenkawa: you can access serial console via the Data USB Port on a Zero
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[16:08] <t3chguy> as well as other USB Gadget things like Virtual Network
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[16:15] <Tenkawa> t3chguy: oh? excellent
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[16:15] <t3chguy> Tenkawa: https://bit.ovh/2016/01/31/Raspberry-Pi-Zero-Gadget-Mode
[16:15] <Tenkawa> thank you
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[16:17] <Tenkawa> that should come in handy
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[16:19] <t3chguy> its how I use my Zeros (5) exclusively
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[16:27] <traeak> with gadget mode you can set up virtual network and run remote X11 stuffz rihgt?
[16:28] <traeak> thinking....is it possible to test out stuffon the gpu in that mode?
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[16:32] <t3chguy> traeak: you can run remote X11 stuff, yes
[16:33] <Stavros_> Guys what's the best way to control a cooling fan via the GPIO pins?
[16:34] <mgottschlag> Stavros_: do you want on/off controll, or real speed control?
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[16:34] <traeak> is there a way to test gpu stuff thourhg virtual display or ?
[16:34] <mgottschlag> for the former, a single transistor to switch the supply voltage off/on is the easiest solution
[16:34] <t3chguy> get a PWM controlled fan
[16:34] <mgottschlag> for the latter, I'd use a PWM controlled fan, no idea what the voltage requirements for the PWM signals are though
[16:35] <Stavros_> yeah looking for PWM
[16:35] <t3chguy> mgottschlag: nor I, a transistor can always fix that though
[16:35] <mgottschlag> yeah, sure
[16:35] <mgottschlag> http://formfactors.org/developer/specs/4_Wire_PWM_Spec.pdf <- section 2.1.4
[16:36] <quarterback> Which logging tools do you use for this channel logs?
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[16:37] <t3chguy> mgottschlag: the note suggests `modern` fans should be ideal for Pi control
[16:37] <t3chguy> 5mA isn't too high to sink directly through the Pi either
[16:37] <mgottschlag> Stavros_: that basically states that the controller only needs to pull the PWM voltage *down*... however, the maximum 5V from the spec might be too much for the pi
[16:37] <mgottschlag> hm, which note?
[16:37] <mgottschlag> ah
[16:38] <t3chguy> mgottschlag: the note on the pdf right below 2.1.4
[16:38] <mgottschlag> yes, "strongly encouraged", but not necessary guaranteed
[16:38] <t3chguy> yep
[16:38] <t3chguy> so best to use a transistor
[16:38] <t3chguy> npn
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[16:38] <t3chguy> or even pnp, that'd only sink .6V
[16:38] <t3chguy> it has quite a tolerance on the PWM freq which is good too
[16:39] <mgottschlag> pnp won't work
[16:39] <t3chguy> oh true
[16:40] <t3chguy> high state would still allow flow
[16:40] <mgottschlag> unless the base resistor is large enough that the protection diode of the pi can sink the current
[16:40] <t3chguy> npn then
[16:41] <Stavros_> Yeah I barely know what a transistor is, let alone follow any of this discussion :P
[16:41] <mgottschlag> sec
[16:42] <t3chguy> lol
[16:42] <Tenkawa> bbialw.. got to boot to my linux box (x86
[16:42] <Tenkawa> to add those usb changes
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[16:42] <t3chguy> GPIO to Base on transistor via Resistor
[16:42] <t3chguy> PWM Pin on Fan to Collector
[16:42] <t3chguy> Emitter to GND
[16:42] <mgottschlag> the problem is that you need to pull the PWM voltage down to ground whenever the PWM signal is 0, and let it float (disconnect it) when the PWM signal is 1
[16:43] <quarterback> if any ops are here, which logging software are you using to create channel logs of this channel?
[16:43] <Stavros_> t3chguy: My philosophy has always been "You're not the smartest guy in the room, so don't bother trying and instead go copy what the smartest guy is doing" - it works so well 99% of the time, until that 1% where no one is doing it right and you have to DIY :p
[16:43] <t3chguy> quarterback: http://www.jibble.org/logbot/
[16:43] <mgottschlag> Stavros_: https://www.mikrocontroller.net/attachment/155120/As_open_drain.png <- the left part, that's an open collector circuit
[16:43] <t3chguy> quarterback: it says it at the bottom of the log in /topic ...
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[16:43] <t3chguy> Stavros_: waat?
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[16:44] <Stavros_> Explaining why I'm such a dunce :p
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[16:44] <methuzla> quarterback, scroll to the bottom of the log page
[16:44] <t3chguy> Stavros_: you're not a dunce lol
[16:44] <mgottschlag> an NPN transistor conducts current if current is induced through its base (the wire to the left)
[16:45] <mgottschlag> so when the left wire is pulled to 3.3V by configuring the pi's GPIO to be "1", the transistor starts to conduct and pulls the wire on the right to 0V
[16:45] <t3chguy> technically it allows an amplification of the BE junction current across its CE junction :P
[16:47] <t3chguy> and the reason the resistor is needed is because without it there can be quite a large current across the BE (Base-Emitter) junction which can cause damage to the Pi and/or transistor
[16:47] <TheSin> is this old or still required for uart1 to work? http://brevera.in/blog/
[16:47] <mgottschlag> Stavros_: and "R5" is already provided by the fan, and pulls the signal to the high voltage whenever the transistor does not conduct any current
[16:47] <Stavros_> So then PWM would be switching that circuit on/off repeatedly to achieve the desired speed?
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[16:47] <t3chguy> Stavros_: yep
[16:47] <t3chguy> and you could vary the desired speed in code
[16:48] <mgottschlag> yeah, and the width of the "on"-pulse defines the speed... however, this transistor basically inverts the signal, so you'd need to invert the signal in code
[16:48] <mgottschlag> so, the width of the "off"-pulse actually defines thespeed
[16:48] <mgottschlag> (because 3.3V at the base resistor on the left causes the right side to be at 0V)
[16:48] <Stavros_> well that seems more energy efficient
[16:48] <ali1234> TheSin: it is old, but using the mini uart is still not straight forward
[16:48] <mgottschlag> not really :)
[16:49] <mgottschlag> in any case, the base current of the transistor is wasted, because it doesn't perform any function
[16:49] <Stavros_> wait you're saying width... are we talking a measure of time here?
[16:49] <mgottschlag> yes
[16:49] <Stavros_> good good
[16:49] <TheSin> ali1234, hmm maybe i have the wrong funciton for it? I'm just trying ot figure out how to move uart1 to 18/19
[16:49] <Stavros_> just thought I'd be sure :D
[16:49] <mgottschlag> ratio between time of the "on" pulse compared to time of the "off" pulse
[16:49] <mgottschlag> and "off" + "on" = 1/25kHz
[16:49] <Stavros_> ah I see
[16:49] <ali1234> TheSin: you can't move any uart to 18/19
[16:49] <mgottschlag> I mean, 1/(25kHz)
[16:50] <ali1234> did you mean 14/15?
[16:50] <ali1234> you can check my big table of all known gpio functions: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nUnaWl_veBKlnqsDwPQUYZNKKiIYhf8f8a6e_bd1cKc/edit?usp=sharing
[16:50] <TheSin> ali1234, shoot I just got confused, 40/41 I meant
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[16:50] <ali1234> ah, on a pi 3?
[16:50] <TheSin> 18/19 is where I want PWM ;)
[16:50] <TheSin> ali1234, any pi
[16:51] <ali1234> 40 and 41 are wired different on different pis
[16:51] <TheSin> I need to use uart0 for console and uart1 to control something via tty
[16:51] <ali1234> on a pi 3 40/41 are on the trrs jack
[16:51] <TheSin> I'm using "dtoverlay=uart1,txd1_pin=40,rxd1_pin=41" in the config.txt
[16:51] <Stavros_> Tell you what, I'll give you my super secret idea for optimal pi cooling and you can build it and kickstart it and make millions and I'll just buy one off you xD
[16:51] <t3chguy> lol
[16:51] <ali1234> but on a pi 2 or pi, 40 and 45 are on the trrs jack
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[16:53] <Stavros_> although judging from that circuit diagram it seems pretty simple to put together without necesarily understanding it. :p
[16:55] <TheSin> ali1234, according to the docs, if I udnerstand it right, using the line I pasted in the config.txt should disable uart0 on pins 14/15 and enable uart1 on pins 40/41
[16:55] <TheSin> it's not what I want, I want both, but for now I'd just liek to see that happen, but I still have ama0 on 14/15 on boot and no ttyS0
[16:56] <Lonefish> pi 2 seems to be deleted from pimoroni/pihut? does this mean that it'll be no longer possible to buy them?
[16:56] <ali1234> you will need to check the kernel source to be sure of what anything device tree related does
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[16:57] <TheSin> ali1234, nod, just doesnt' seem to be loading from what i can tell I'll keep tracing I guess, just thought someone would have done this before
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[16:57] <ali1234> you can check /proc/device_tree
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[17:01] <skulltip> pi 3 - increased from default 700 to 1000 Mhz, rebooted seems to be running smoothly
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[17:01] <skulltip> may try for 1200
[17:02] <Stavros_> So explain to me why Rpi is listed as 1.2ghz, but needs to be OC'd on a really good chip to actually achieve it?
[17:03] <skulltip> wondering that too Stavros_
[17:03] <ali1234> it doesn't need to be overclocked, the default is 1.2GHz
[17:03] <skulltip> it says 700 is default in config.txt
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[17:03] <skulltip> comments
[17:03] <ali1234> you can't trust anything you read in a comment
[17:03] <skulltip> how can i display the clock speed
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[17:03] <Stavros_> okay ali, then wth are they overclocking it?
[17:04] <ali1234> that goes for both code comments and forum comments
[17:04] <ali1234> Stavros_: they aren't. for example skulltip has underclocked his pi 3. lol
[17:04] <skulltip> they need to fix their comment then
[17:04] <skulltip> lol
[17:04] <ali1234> skulltip: i agree
[17:04] <skulltip> so not much point in pushing it to 1350 or 1400
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[17:04] <ali1234> i have no position on that
[17:05] <mfa298> skulltip: theres a vgcencmd to show the clock speed, but note the pi only runs the full speed if it's being asked to do somethign more demanding. if there's no load it may well be clocked slower (less heat and power used)
[17:05] <Stavros_> ah I misremembered
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[17:05] <Stavros_> they oc'd it to 1450, 1400 stable
[17:05] <Stavros_> https://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/48m1l9/rpi_3_overclockinging_results_boot_at_1450_mhz/?ref=search_posts
[17:06] <mfa298> skulltip: `vcgencmd measure_clock arm` will show the current clock speed
[17:06] <ali1234> http://paste.debian.net/416360/ shows most of the interesting commands
[17:07] <ali1234> and i just noticed i made a mistake in it
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[17:08] <ali1234> fixed http://paste.debian.net/416361/
[17:08] <Stavros_> hehe, benchmarking iceweasel on my rpi3
[17:09] <Stavros_> not entirely sure it isn't going to burst into flames
[17:09] <ali1234> oh it won't do that
[17:09] <ali1234> the most heat generating command known is cpuburn-a53
[17:09] <ali1234> nothing else comes close
[17:09] <Stavros_> accurate name
[17:10] <ali1234> not even sysbench with 4-8 threads
[17:10] <Stavros_> I hope it comes with a prompt that says "this will kill the lifespan of your CPU"
[17:10] <ali1234> real loads like running a browser generate even less heat
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[17:11] <ali1234> cpuburn is really funny though. running it causes the cpu to permanently throttle within about 10 seconds
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[17:11] <ali1234> it generates so much heat that a heatsink makes no measurable difference
[17:12] <ali1234> not one of those little tiny ones anyway
[17:12] <Stavros_> You'd need one of those refridgerated cooling setups
[17:12] <ali1234> nah, you would just need a fan
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[17:12] <ali1234> fan makes a huge difference over passive, but of course it is noisy
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[17:13] <ali1234> without a fan you'd need a heatsink in the ballpark of 5cm x 5cm x 2cm tall i reckon
[17:13] <ali1234> if you wanted to run cpuburn without throttling that is
[17:13] <ali1234> but that's just a silly corner case
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[17:14] <Stavros_> welp, iceweasel gets 584 compared to The Galaxy S3's 637 or the iPhone 5's 907 xD
[17:14] <ali1234> you could probably calculate exactly how much heat it is generating based on power consumption
[17:15] <ali1234> and from that calculate the required size of heatsink
[17:15] <Stavros_> although a lot of the tests on this benchmark are kinda pointless to my use case
[17:15] <ali1234> firefox is just slow and it's always going to be slow, at least until servo
[17:15] <Stavros_> servo?
[17:15] <Polymorphism> galaxy note 3 ftw
[17:15] <Polymorphism> goin strong 3 years later
[17:16] <Polymorphism> well worth the full 800 dollars I paid
[17:16] <Polymorphism> (12/mo bill on pageplus)
[17:16] <Polymorphism> the savings have been significant
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[17:17] <Stavros_> and vis a vis browser choice: why am I forced into two options if I want any kind of security (umatrix/noscript/policeman)? Why, in this day and age, don't all the 'lightweight' offerings recognize these as fundamental necessities?
[17:17] <Polymorphism> ?
[17:17] <Polymorphism> luakit ftw
[17:17] <ali1234> Stavros_: because all the "lightweight" browsers have "lightweight" development teams
[17:17] <ali1234> by which i mean they are made by one guy
[17:18] <Polymorphism> they dont recognize them as such because they aren't
[17:18] <Stavros_> ...
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[17:18] <Stavros_> I strongly disagree
[17:18] <Stavros_> Emphatically
[17:18] <Stavros_> :p
[17:18] <Polymorphism> I'll defend to the death your right to do so, good sir
[17:18] <Stavros_> <3
[17:18] <Polymorphism> =D
[17:18] <ali1234> on top of that, most of them are just webkit with a skin
[17:19] <Stavros_> Read a recent headline that over 40% of web bandwidth was for serving ads
[17:19] <ali1234> yes, and it would be 90% if adblockers didnt exist
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[17:20] <Stavros_> Not even taking into account the massive privacy invasions, or proliferation of malware, the fact that 40% of your internet usage is spam should be proof enough that noscript/policeman/umatrix style control IS a neccessity
[17:20] <ali1234> our whole culture is founded on advertising at this point
[17:20] <Bilby> *yawn*
[17:20] <ali1234> a music video is an advert for a song
[17:20] <ali1234> and often a film too
[17:20] <Stavros_> I dunno ali
[17:21] <MiningInc> ali1234 consumerism driven society is what they have built for us... drink it in
[17:21] <ali1234> films are adverts for comics
[17:21] <Stavros_> lol
[17:21] <MiningInc> consume consume consume!
[17:21] <Stavros_> I think you're stretching things somewhat
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[17:23] <Stavros_> although back to the original topic - browsing on the pi3, without overclock or any further optimization... it's pretty snappy
[17:23] <Tenkawa> t3chguy: forgot to ask.. what ip should its dhcp usually default to?
[17:23] <Tenkawa> i think i have it all setup
[17:23] <t3chguy> Tenkawa: use your systems internet connection sharing
[17:23] <t3chguy> That runs a dhcpd
[17:24] <t3chguy> And it'll assign your pi with an address
[17:24] <Tenkawa> its a win10 host
[17:24] <Stavros_> ewww win 10
[17:24] <Stavros_> burn it
[17:24] <t3chguy> That calls it Internet Connection Sharing (ICS)
[17:24] <t3chguy> Google on how to set it up
[17:24] <Tenkawa> ok.. let me fire up ics
[17:24] <Stavros_> Jesus, I have a more aggressive 'burn it' response to w10 than I do to spiders
[17:24] <Tenkawa> yeah i know how.. just wanted to make sure it was "that" ics
[17:25] <t3chguy> You can use arp in command line to find pis ip address or if you have bonjour you can use raspberrypi.local as it's hostname
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[17:25] <Tenkawa> might just use bonjour
[17:25] <t3chguy> You'll need dhcp as well
[17:25] <t3chguy> Not one or the other
[17:26] <t3chguy> The pi won't be in the same subnet currently
[17:26] <Tenkawa> no=32 time=98ms TTL=64
[17:26] <Tenkawa> nod
[17:26] <Tenkawa> oops
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[17:30] <Tenkawa> meh I'll wait till i get home
[17:31] <Tenkawa> win10 networking is annoying with only one nic
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[17:33] <DWKnight> [1:31:04pm] <Tenkawa> win10 networking is annoying
[17:33] <DWKnight> fixed
[17:34] <Stavros_> I believe I've already made my position clear, but just in case
[17:34] <Tenkawa> home sharing in 10 is really annoying with only one nic
[17:34] <Stavros_> win10 > burn it
[17:34] <Armand> DWKnight: Upgraded to Linux? ^_^
[17:34] <DWKnight> enough of my stuff requires windows that I haven't done a full migration
[17:35] <Stavros_> DWKnight: consider running dual machines with a 'shared' desktop via synergy
[17:35] <Tenkawa> DWKnight: i still have some stuff too
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[17:35] <Stavros_> it's what I'm trying to set up atm
[17:36] <DWKnight> mixed platform network here
[17:36] <Tenkawa> same here
[17:36] <skulltip> ok pi 3 glxgears runs at 23.2 FPS, shows really bad flicker. have default opengl mesa (i think), whatever is supplied with the raspbian os. Is there a way to get opengl up to speed?
[17:36] <Tenkawa> linux,mac and windows all
[17:43] * Bilby is platform agnostic
[17:43] <Bilby> also, Win10 is all the good things of Win7 and Win8 combined. Learn it, love it.
[17:44] <Bilby> microsoft should port WinRT for the Pi. It’d probably have a better secondary life there than it had on the Surface...
[17:46] <Tenkawa> Bilby: yeah I dont mind using win10... just home edition limitations getting in the way
[17:47] <Bilby> homegroup?
[17:47] <Tenkawa> ics more specificly
[17:48] <Bilby> aha
[17:48] <Bilby> why are you using ics?
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[17:48] <Tenkawa> was going to use pi zero usb gadget fpr connectivity
[17:52] <Bilby> aha
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[17:58] <swift110-phone> Hey
[17:58] <t3chguy> o/
[18:00] <quarterback> o/ Kinda funny this emoticon is xD
[18:01] <skulltip> the experiemental opengl driver isnt working on my rpi 3, had to comment out the vtc-overlay and the hotplug for hdmi 1 in the boot config file
[18:01] <skulltip> do i need to switch from raspbian to something else?
[18:01] <Tenkawa> DOH
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[18:01] * Tenkawa just realized he has his other linux notebook in his bag
[18:01] <Bilby> Does it require a different kernel? sometimes that’s required with experimental changes like that
[18:02] <Bilby> whoops
[18:02] <skulltip> i did a sudo rpi-update and rebooted, firmware is up to date
[18:02] <Bilby> I wish I could run a standard build on my android tablet… arch would be legit handy
[18:02] <skulltip> oh kernel.. it's possible but that means i would have to get my hands dirty :P
[18:02] <Bilby> skulltip: I just know I had to run a custom kernel on my pi to support the Wolfson board
[18:03] <skulltip> maybe ubuntu mate would work
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[18:05] <PCatinean> hoooow's everyone?
[18:05] <t3chguy> skulltip: rpi-update updates the kernel and kernel modules, "firmware" is not written to and I don't believe is even writeable apart from maybe after JTAG
[18:05] * Tenkawa will be back when he switches to the other machine
[18:05] <Tenkawa> bbiaf
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[18:06] <Bilby> ‘sup PCatinean
[18:06] <PCatinean> nm, still working :D
[18:06] <Bilby> stalking microcenter’s site waiting for zeros to come back
[18:06] * Bilby pokes niston
[18:07] <Bilby> I know it’s not there yet but i have the patience of a toddler
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[18:09] <t3chguy> Bilby: first Zero or you gathering a collection?
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[18:12] <Bilby> I’ve bought 3 so far haha
[18:12] <Bilby> one I gave to a friend, one i sent to niston, one i’ve kept
[18:12] <Bilby> starting a very low volume friendly black market :P
[18:13] <niston> Bilby :)
[18:13] <niston> I got it today
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[18:13] <niston> thank you very much :D
[18:14] <niston> just took it from the mail and as far as I can tell, it survived the trip perfectly fine :)
[18:15] <swift110-phone> Lol Bilby I have one
[18:15] <swift110-phone> I've had it for two weeks
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[18:15] <niston> Bilby: should you ever visit Switzerland, you're welcome to stay at my guest room
[18:15] <Tenkawa> ok much better... lets try this again
[18:15] <Bilby> niston: Nice! That was super fast actually.
[18:15] <niston> yeah
[18:15] <niston> I was impressed
[18:15] <Bilby> haha cool :) I might take you up on that ;)
[18:15] <niston> when did you put it on the mail? two days ago?
[18:16] <Bilby> Saturday, so 5 calendar days
[18:16] <niston> ah
[18:16] <niston> still
[18:16] <Bilby> from the middle of the US to Switzerland for $3.50 US
[18:16] <niston> yeah
[18:16] <niston> 3.36 actually I think
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[18:16] <niston> quite insane if you think about it
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[18:18] <Tenkawa> t3chguy: you said if i was doing this in linux i just need to add a dhcp server to the host right?
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[18:21] <t3chguy> Tenkawa: best to enable Internet Sharing in your Distros network manager
[18:21] <Tenkawa> i'm strictly commandline
[18:21] <t3chguy> it'll run a dhcp, it'll enable ip_forward via systemctl and it'll run iptables MASQUARADE
[18:21] <t3chguy> ah
[18:21] <t3chguy> well if you only want to access the pi, don't care about its internet access then isc-dhcp-server is plenty
[18:22] <Tenkawa> just threw in udhcpd
[18:22] <t3chguy> the latter two (ip_forward and a MASQUERADE rule at iptables) will give the Zero internet access
[18:22] <t3chguy> you will probably need to edit a file on the sd card of the Zero
[18:22] <Tenkawa> thats ok.. i just need access to it.. not vice versa
[18:22] <t3chguy> /etc/network/interfaces - adding allow_hotplug usb0 and iface usb0 inet dhcp
[18:22] <Tenkawa> yep
[18:22] <Tenkawa> did that
[18:23] <t3chguy> are you running a kernel which includes the g_ether module and have it loaded?
[18:23] <t3chguy> i.e a BRANCH=next one (not sure if its in master yet)
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[18:24] <swift110-phone> I might pick up a B+ today
[18:24] <Tenkawa> here we go
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[18:29] <Tenkawa> goofy question.. do i plug in the usb or power ?
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[18:29] <Tenkawa> both of them start it up but i'm not sure which one is working
[18:30] <xorond> Hello, has anyone here had any experience with PwnPi?
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[18:30] <t3chguy> Tenkawa: Data port
[18:30] <t3chguy> the power USB port has no connections on D- and D=
[18:30] <t3chguy> s/=/+
[18:30] <Tenkawa> ok thanks
[18:31] <Tenkawa> what i thought but wasnt 100% sure
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[18:32] <t3chguy> I'm off for a walk - need me; ping me
[18:33] <t3chguy> can't promise tangible replies, they'll be dictated voice via Android Wear lol
[18:33] <t3chguy> also tangible doesn't make sense there... Not quite sure why I thought it was appropriate
[18:33] <t3chguy> sane... Lets go with sane
[18:34] <Tenkawa> thanks for the help
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[18:35] <r0b-> anyone use a pidrive?
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[18:39] <me-1> hi...How can I get a Raspberry Pi Zero..?
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[18:41] <PCatinean> t3chguy, I just noticed I have a rgb led with 4 pins , 3 of them are labeled rgb and one is -
[18:41] <PCatinean> Though a tutorial said rgb should be connected to gpio pins, and the last one to a constant power source, shouldn't the - be the ground?
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[18:42] <methuzla> common anode
[18:42] <t3chguy> PCatinean: one pin for each colour, and depends on the Led. - implies common cathode so yes gnd
[18:43] <PCatinean> not sure why the tut said otherwise
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[18:43] <PCatinean> https://youtu.be/b4_R1eX9K6s?t=49
[18:43] <methuzla> err, cathode
[18:44] <t3chguy> Some are common anode so tutorial might reference those
[18:44] <me-1> is the raspberrry pi zero for sale..?
[18:44] <Bilby> me-1: Yes, but supplies are limited and demand is high
[18:45] <Bilby> so it can be hard to find them in-stock online because thousands of people try to buy a few dozen units
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[18:45] <me-1> what about price
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[18:45] <me-1> i am looking to but only one piece
[18:45] <Bilby> From an official retail outlet it’s $5. From anywhere else they could be higher
[18:46] <PCatinean> t3chguy, so it does not matter which gpio pins I use to power the rgb?
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[18:46] <t3chguy> Nope
[18:46] <me-1> i am looking to use it as an everydaY computer attached to my 50" LED tv
[18:46] <methuzla> PCatinean, look in the comments for video, points out mistake between cathode/anode
[18:46] <t3chguy> You could use the PWM pins to get brightness control but there are only 2 of those
[18:46] <Bilby> me-1: Link to official sellers is on the foundation’s page: https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/pi-zero/
[18:46] <PCatinean> methuzla, good catch :D
[18:47] <PCatinean> Ok so planted them and also set ground, powering the pi
[18:48] <Tenkawa> typos dont help either heheh
[18:48] <me-1> Bilby, out of stock
[18:48] <Tenkawa> wow i'm doing that a lot today
[18:48] <mfa298> me-1: if you want something to use as a desktop style system you may do better getting a Pi2 or Pi3 - they're a bit more powerful and have plenty of standard USB ports.
[18:48] <Bilby> yes, pretty much everywhere is always haha
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[18:49] <t3chguy> Not as warm as I was hoping
[18:49] <t3chguy> Bloody cold. Barely started my walk
[18:50] <methuzla> me-1 you might be underwhelmed by a pi zero using it as an everyday computer, esp. with gui
[18:50] <Bilby> me-1: I used a Pi 1 B as a desktop for a bit, to try it out - it’s not horrible but it’s not great. You’ll be much happier with a Pi 3
[18:51] <Bilby> Especially since the price will be very similar (since you need a video adapter and USB hub for the zero)
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[18:54] <Stavros_> Okay so I just stumbled on the systemd controversy... and I'm wondering why, if its critics are accurate, it's been so successful?
[18:54] <me-1> Bilby, methuzla mfa298 thank you for your advice dudes
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[18:57] <Bilby> o/
[18:57] <methuzla> Stavros_, for technical reasons that don't matter to 99.999% of the user base
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[18:58] <mgottschlag> methuzla: do you mean that it is successful even though its advantages don't matter to 99%, or because it's problems don't matter to 99%? :D
[18:58] <mgottschlag> I'd say it's the latter
[18:58] <PCatinean> t3chguy, I am slightly dissapointed as the colors do not converge
[18:59] <PCatinean> they project separately more or less on the surface
[18:59] <PCatinean> How do I play with the intensity? :O
[18:59] <t3chguy> PCatinean: PWM
[18:59] <PCatinean> ah but you said they are only two of those :(
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[18:59] <TheLostAdmin> I would go with the latter as well. I'm not a systemd fan, but the only reason I went back to sysvinit when I upgraded to Jessie was because I couldn't get idmapd (needed for NFSv4) to run.
[18:59] <methuzla> PCatinean, PWM or change current limiting resistor values
[18:59] <Stavros_> Welp I just found one of my gurus weighing in against it so I guess that's decided
[19:00] <PCatinean> That's so cool it has them built in, why didn't they adopt it for all gpio pins?
[19:00] <t3chguy> PCatinean: not needed normally in a phone
[19:00] <t3chguy> The SoC is mobile based
[19:00] <mfa298> I suspect that for most systems/ users systemd is probably be best option of the thigns out there. upstart was probably the only other real contender and everyone seems to have tried it briefly and then moved to systemd
[19:01] <PCatinean> so I cannot regulate the intesity on all colors :(
[19:01] <PCatinean> bummer
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[19:01] <methuzla> PCatinean, or you can, as i suggested...
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[19:01] <Bilby> welp, i’m bored now
[19:01] <Stavros_> But the main criticism of systemd seems to be the massive insecurity/instability inherent in it
[19:01] <Bilby> literally watching two computers compress / transfer old user profiles
[19:01] <Bilby> I need to buy another Pi :D
[19:02] <mfa298> Stavros_: I'm not sure there is a massive insecurity/instability issue in systemd
[19:03] <mfa298> reading through a lot of the systemd documentation it adds a lot of security features for the processes it starts (ability to setup fs/network name spaces, resource limits etc)
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[19:04] <Stavros_> but by creating such a massive blob under one umbrella, it's got a huge attack surface
[19:05] <TheLostAdmin> Stavros_, there is also the argument that systemd doesn't do things "the UNIX way" because it relies on binary configuration files and tries to do to many things at once. Of course, the counter to that is that you still edit configuration files and just have to remember to run the command to integrate your changes into the binary build. And the other counter that those things that systemd does are needed in today's world and not well handled by
[19:05] <TheLostAdmin> sysvinit.
[19:05] <TheLostAdmin> I am sure that the systemd developers will deal with the instability problems and I hope they will deal with the security concerns.
[19:06] <mfa298> Stavros_: maybe read throguh the systemd myths list on their site. It counters a lot of those arguments. i.e. it's not a massive blob, it's lots (60+) small programs doign specific thigns
[19:06] <TheLostAdmin> mfa298, Stavros_: yes, do read the systemd myths list. I was pointing out some of the bigger arguments made. I'm not claiming that they are right.
[19:08] <mfa298> Stavros_: http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html
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[19:11] <mfa298> in particular #1 and #17 are good (the config isn't binary blogs)
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[19:11] <mfa298> My guess is the reload thing after changing the config files is similar to needing to restart/reload most services after changing their configs
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[19:14] <Stavros_> thanks for the link
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[19:14] <skulltip> is there an os I can put on my rasp pi 3 to take advantage of the debian/ubuntu repository + have accelerated opengl drivers? raspbian os doesn't seem to fit the bill, as glxgears runs around 23fps and flickers.
[19:15] <t3chguy> PCatinean: get a pwm driver
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[19:17] <Stavros_> If I understanf the situation, rpi doesn't use opengl
[19:17] <Stavros_> it uses... eegl or somethinh
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[19:18] <Stavros_> And the result is that we're f****d
[19:19] <ali1234> nope
[19:19] <binaryhermit> Stavros_: I believe it's OpenGL-ES
[19:19] <Stavros_> That's the one
[19:20] <binaryhermit> which isn't the same thing as regular OpenGL
[19:20] <binaryhermit> though there is an experimental opengl driver
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[19:21] <TheLostAdmin> mfa298, do you have any pointers on getting idmpad to run with systemd? I spent 2 days but couldn't get it to start (Raspbian Jessie, NFSv4 client).
[19:22] <mfa298> TheLostAdmin: not something I've had to look at yet. Most of my systemd stuff so far has been writing serivce files for a bit of code I've written
[19:22] <mfa298> and I don't think I've got any nfs clients using systemd yet
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[19:22] <skulltip> i tried the experimental, it got a black screen / no video input. had to comment out the vtc-overlay.. in the boot config file
[19:22] <skulltip> it has mesa software driver as far as i know, is there anything else
[19:23] <TheLostAdmin> Understandable. I suspect the actual problem with it is that the startup script is missing some prerequisite but I can't find it to adjust the script.
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[19:24] <jamesl> At what point should a static webpage server upgrade to a pi 3 or 2? At the moment it runs on a pi 1 model B.
[19:24] <Tenkawa> jamesl: is it doing the job?
[19:24] <traeak> runit .... way easier to write services
[19:25] <traeak> actually testable independent of runit as well :-p
[19:25] <TheLostAdmin> jamesl, when the system can't keep up with the number of simultaneous connections and it's not due to network limitation.
[19:25] <Tenkawa> TheLostAdmin: exactly
[19:25] <mfa298> TheLostAdmin: config files shoudl be in /lib/systemd (or /etc/systemd)
[19:25] <jamesl> oh, my internet is 300kB/s so the network is the bottleneck, not the Pi.
[19:26] <CoJaBo> Can anyone recommend a cheap-but-not-completely-useless-in-the-dark webcam that would work with the pi?
[19:26] <TheLostAdmin> mfa298, thanks, I figured that out. I spent 2 days trying to sort through the startup. The problem seams to be related to permissions on named pipes but I can't figure out what/how.
[19:27] <jamesl> CoJaBo: have you tried the Pi camera?
[19:27] <TheLostAdmin> I dug through those systemd startup scripts and compared them to the sysvinit scripts. Not a lot of difference. The named pipe appears regardless of the subsystem and filesystem permissions on it appear identical.
[19:27] <CoJaBo> jamesl: Too expensive for what I'm doing with it
[19:27] <pksato> CoJaBo: on dark? with no photons? :) any microsoft or logitech webcam.
[19:28] <jamesl> if you don't want any visible light you could always try a pi noIR and Infrared LEDs, if you decide to upgrade later.
[19:29] <CoJaBo> pksato: I mean like "outside lit only by streetlights" or similar. I have IR LEDs but they aren't bright enough to matter
[19:29] <ali1234> the pi camera is awful in low light anyway
[19:30] <CoJaBo> I previously used an actual security camera, but it's analog and my capture card died
[19:30] <jamesl> analog as in NTSC or PAL video?
[19:30] <CoJaBo> NTSC
[19:31] <jamesl> so connect it to a VHS and you have a video recorder! /s
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[19:32] <CoJaBo> VHS is wayyy too expensive lol
[19:32] <CoJaBo> The quality also leaves a lot to be desired.. http://i.imgur.com/ork28fW.png
[19:32] <CoJaBo> (the LEDs made things worse, not better :/)
[19:32] <jamesl> what is that supposed to be?
[19:32] <TheLostAdmin> CoJaBo, what are you attempting to do?
[19:33] <CoJaBo> jamesl: Some guy who tried to break in
[19:33] <CoJaBo> TheLostAdmin: Security camera
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[19:34] <ali1234> the pi actually has an interface for a video ADC
[19:34] <ali1234> with about $5 in components it can do PAL/NTSC video input
[19:34] <ali1234> however broadcom have not released the information on how to use it
[19:35] <CoJaBo> The pin probably isn't connected anyways
[19:35] <ali1234> it is.
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[19:35] <CoJaBo> to where?
[19:35] <ali1234> the gpio header
[19:35] <TheLostAdmin> Then, there probably aren't any cheap options. Low light cameras are expensive because that sort of optics is expensive. IR cameras are expensive. The Pi Noir isn't a true IR camera, it's just that CCDs naturally capture light beyond the visual range. You can use IR lights to get the illumination the camera needs even though it's outside the visual spectrum, but you need just as much as you would for a regular camera.
[19:36] <TheLostAdmin> IR LEDs don't shine very bright (they aren't floodlights) so only work at short range (like taking a picture with your camera phone).
[19:36] <Dex-Freudii> the are algorithms to enhance the "IR" image you get from standard CCD cameras
[19:36] <TheLostAdmin> The Raspberry Pi camera module is pretty good at it's price point.
[19:36] <CoJaBo> Yeh, the IR LEDS only lit the front glass of the camera, blinding itself
[19:37] <CoJaBo> It'd be nice if I could adjust the exposure and such, but it doesn't seem like that'd be possible with most webcams..
[19:37] <robertj> so theoretically...could the BCM43438 do zigbee?
[19:37] * robertj ducks
[19:37] <Bilby> I use cheap Swann cameras at the bar and they are amazing quality at night
[19:37] <Bilby> even in the walk-in and the office (Total darkness) they work fine with IR LEDs
[19:37] <TheLostAdmin> IR leds need to be behind glass that doesn't reflect IR (most glass isn't as transparent to IR as it is to light we can see).
[19:38] <CoJaBo> Bilby: Swann, you say? http://i.imgur.com/A9WSJum.jpg
[19:38] <CoJaBo> TheLostAdmin: I think it's actually plastic
[19:38] <Bilby> CoJaBo: hah! nice
[19:38] <pksato> CoJaBo: why not a DVR kit? Today have very sensitive cameras, and 720p or more.
[19:39] <Bilby> Apparently my phone has decided to forget a few thousand photos, or i’d show you a few pics of what my setup is
[19:39] <Bilby> the only wierd thing is the (black anodized) cameras i put outside have turned a beautiful copper gold color
[19:39] <CoJaBo> pksato: It needs to connect over wireless to NAS
[19:39] <CoJaBo> That's like.. $2,000+ for something made to do that
[19:40] <TheLostAdmin> There are plenty of WiFi security options available now. Many of the home versions cost in the hundreds.
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[19:40] <CoJaBo> I don't want to spend $35, so a hundred's right out :P
[19:41] <TheLostAdmin> Then you probably won't get what you want.
[19:41] <ali1234> if you can't afford to spend $100 on a security system then you have nothing worth stealing
[19:41] <CoJaBo> I'll settle for mediocre performance if I can get it cheap
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[19:43] <ali1234> logitech's business webcams have excellent low light performance but they cost $100
[19:43] <TheLostAdmin> CoJaBo, take the plastic/glass cover off your current attempt and move the LEDs away from the camera lens (preferably with a barrier between the LEDs and the camera so light doesn't get in from the side). That might improve your current setup.
[19:43] <Bilby> for a few bucks you can buy those “protected by video surveillance” stickers off ebay and get the same protection
[19:43] <CoJaBo> TheLostAdmin: It's analog; I have no way to connect it to the pi anymore
[19:43] <pksato> $32 with wifi http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wireless-720P-Pan-Tilt-Network-Security-CCTV-IP-Camera-Night-Vision-WiFi-Webcam-/141843566961?hash=item2106891171:g:6TQAAOSwll1Wt~qx
[19:44] <robertj> pksato, you used that particular one?
[19:44] <pksato> no.
[19:44] <CoJaBo> I want something with USB that I can plug into a pi
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[19:45] <ali1234> it doesn't exist
[19:45] <ali1234> any camera under $50 will be useless in low light
[19:46] <pksato> microsoft vx2000
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[19:47] <pksato> but, not work on dark.
[19:47] <CoJaBo> ..that's bringing up camcorders
[19:48] <traeak> IR !
[19:48] <CoJaBo> IR doesn't work outside
[19:48] <Bilby> not without expensive emitters
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[19:49] <Bilby> though ususally there’s enough ambient light to do without
[19:50] <CoJaBo> I've taken good-enough quality pics with my phone camera in the same light.. It shouldn't be that difficult, it's not pitch-black and I'm not guarding Fort Knox here >_>
[19:50] <CoJaBo> ..come to think of it, I do have an old DVDCAM; I wonder if it works with the pi..
[19:50] <CoJaBo> Only problem is, it's kinda massive
[19:51] <pksato> CoJaBo: buy the first webcam you see on local store ans test. :)
[19:52] <CoJaBo> trying to remember where I put the camcorder..
[19:52] <Apocx> do you absolutely have to connect it directly to the pi?
[19:52] <Apocx> a decent IP camera is pretty cheap and just has to be accessible on the network
[19:52] <CoJaBo> Apocx: No; just cheaply
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[19:52] <CoJaBo> An IP camera is a lot more than a webcam tho
[19:53] <Apocx> true. depends on how cheap is "cheap"
[19:53] <ali1234> buy a webcam then
[19:53] <ali1234> what's the problem?
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[19:54] <CoJaBo> I was hoping someone would have ever connected a webcam to a pi before, and could recomend one >_>
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[19:54] <Apocx> plenty of people have
[19:55] <ali1234> i recommend the logitech C910 or C920. they are good cameras with excellent low light capability, and they work fine on linux
[19:55] <Apocx> not necessarily in this channel, mind you. but they've posted their experiences on the net
[19:55] <ali1234> at this point i wouldn't even consider using anything else, that is how good they are
[19:55] <ali1234> but they cost $100
[19:55] <Apocx> my go to camera. used to only be $80 though, went up in price it looks like. Have 4 of them, absolutely love em. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00M6NC9CG
[19:55] <Apocx> they're IP though
[19:56] <Apocx> great picture quality
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[19:56] <ali1234> you get what you pay for
[19:56] <Apocx> yeah. the hiksvisions are way better than the $40 foscam/wansview/etc knockoffs
[19:57] <Apocx> I'd say you need to spend atleast $60-80 for any decent quality camera, minimum
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[19:57] <ali1234> i agree
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[19:57] <CoJaBo> It needs to be cheap, not decent lol
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[19:57] <ali1234> then just buy anything
[19:57] <Apocx> understood. so just google "rpi web cam" and look at some people's projects.
[19:58] <Apocx> http://elinux.org/RPi_USB_Webcams
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[19:58] <Apocx> ^ will tell you what cameras are known to work, etc.
[19:59] <ali1234> Apocx: i bet that hikvision camera has a similar CCD to those logitechs
[19:59] <Apocx> probably
[19:59] <ali1234> it's the same resolution and bit rate
[19:59] <ali1234> same compression standards
[19:59] <Apocx> yeah
[19:59] <CoJaBo> That page isn't maintained tho
[19:59] <Apocx> only thing I hate about it is the price seems to fluctuate a lot
[20:00] <ali1234> yeah the logitech pirces also fluctuate a lot too, it's wweird
[20:00] <Apocx> some days its $130, some days its $80
[20:00] <ali1234> i actually got mine for like $49
[20:00] <Apocx> nice
[20:00] <ali1234> years ago
[20:00] <ali1234> but now they are $100
[20:00] <ali1234> if you add $30 for a weatherproof case... that's exactly the same price
[20:01] <Apocx> yep
[20:02] <Apocx> ah there are some people selling it for $93.47 but it isn't prime so it isn't the default
[20:02] <Apocx> and it has to take the long boat from china
[20:03] <Apocx> I need to buy a couple more but I think I'll wait for it to come back down to $80 + prime
[20:03] <CoJaBo> ..amazon doesn't even have a category for webcams. wtf
[20:03] <Apocx> sure it does
[20:03] <Apocx> it's just deeply buried
[20:03] <Apocx> Electronics : Computers & Accessories : Computer Accessories & Peripherals : Audio & Video Accessories : Webcams
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[20:04] <Apocx> Logitech C270 is $24
[20:04] <CoJaBo> Apocx: Link?
[20:04] <Apocx> http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Widescreen-Webcam-Calling-Recording/dp/B004FHO5Y6
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[20:05] <Apocx> according to the compatiblity list: works fine with external power, image/video quality is crisp. Caution: Pi may hang (at least not accessible remotely) when using the UVC video kernel module. Fix: load the module using the following magic incantation: `modprobe uvcvideo nodrop=1 timeout=5000 quirks=0x80` . (2014-06-01, Raspbian Linux 3.12.20+)
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[20:05] <Apocx> but not sure if that issue is still applicable to the new Pi's/kernel
[20:05] <CoJaBo> ..one would think searching for "webcams" would bring up the category literally named "webcams " :/
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[20:06] <Apocx> it did for me, that's how I found it :O
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[20:06] <Apocx> searched "webcam" in all departments, and it went to that specific category
[20:06] <Apocx> webcams doesn't though, interestingly enough
[20:06] <esotericnonsense> I love the use of the term 'incantation'
[20:06] <Apocx> it's great
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[20:08] <Apocx> I bought one of these a few days back and put a motor in place of the knob, and made a custom mount. now I have an automatic pet feeder :P
[20:08] <Apocx> http://www.amazon.com/COBBLE-CREEK-Cereal-Food-Dispnser/dp/B00TECVEQE/
[20:09] <Apocx> works really well
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[20:15] <tjcarter> So I just put an active fan case on the Pi 3. A cheap one, so it's noisy and passes the fan vibration right through the table, but it may be all the cooling the Pi 3 actually NEEDS.
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[20:17] <tjcarter> no heatsink on the chips and this fan is atrocious :)
[20:18] <tjcarter> All I have are cheap alu heatsinks and I don't want to put them on as if I can replace them I'd want to, and once you put the things on there's no guarantee you'll get them OFF again.
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[20:21] <tjcarter> it's not much, but it'll do until the people who know what they're doing and can measure with IR cameras can figure out exactly what's useful and what's not. :P I don't intend to have this thing running at peak for long bursts anyway so I won't see too much throttling.
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[20:22] <ali1234> i can already tell you that those cheap alu heatsinks with tape on are useless
[20:22] <ali1234> mainly because of the tape
[20:23] <Crom> I just use heat compound
[20:23] <CoJaBo> huh, they have some for as little as 97¢.. but are they real :/
[20:23] <Apocx> have what for 97 cents?
[20:23] <CoJaBo> webc ams
[20:23] <Apocx> doubtful
[20:23] <Apocx> link?
[20:24] <Crom> heat sinks or compound?
[20:24] <CoJaBo> ah, it's $14 shipping
[20:24] <Apocx> ha that's funny
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[20:25] <CoJaBo> ..amazon doesn't count shipping as part of price, so apperently its impossible to sort by price
[20:26] <Apocx> usually I just search for prime only items, as that's free shipping for prime members. but obviously you'd only benefit from that if you were a prime member
[20:26] <Apocx> ...probably why they don't factor shipping cost into the actualy price, actually.
[20:27] <CoJaBo> well that sretarded
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[20:28] <Apocx> if you want cheap: http://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?catId=0&initiative_id=SB_20160317112824&SearchText=webcam
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[20:28] <valesi> amazon's sort sucks imo
[20:28] <Apocx> keep in mind most of that stuff comes from china
[20:28] <Apocx> and most of it probably won't work out of the box with the Pi.
[20:28] <CoJaBo> This is a weird-looking webcam http://www.amazon.com/Medtronic-Sure-T-Paradigm/dp/B00ZJGPUSC/
[20:28] <valesi> yeah, that's why I use IP cams
[20:28] <Apocx> lol
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[20:29] <Apocx> yeah same here, I love IP cams
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[20:40] <TheSin> is the CM armhf or armel?
[20:42] <k_j> only god knows
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[20:43] <k_j> what cm? cm1? cm3?
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[20:48] <TheSin> I wish I coudl get a cm3, pretty sure no one can yet
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[20:51] <Apocx> I've been waiting for a CM update for a long time...
[20:51] <Apocx> I'm hoping they actually do come out with one this year
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[20:52] <valesi> CM? compute module?
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[20:56] <Apocx> yes
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[20:58] <Polymorphism> any finance advice channels here?
[21:01] <PCatinean> uh uhh next thing is use the photoresistor module to light the led
[21:01] <PCatinean> but that's analog as well
[21:02] <PCatinean> I wonder how does that analog to digital thingy look
[21:03] <TheSin> man I hope it's at least armhf, I don't have omxplayer for armel :\
[21:04] <TheSin> so tired of compiling stuffs :\
[21:05] <TheSin> well I guess then the question is the rpiB armhf, I thought only the rpiA was armel
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[21:07] <happycube> yeah all pis are using armhf
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[21:07] <happycube> oh - that's wrong nm... armhf will work on pi2/3
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[21:16] <TheSin> happycube, yeah I know forsure for Pi2/3 I thought only Pi1A was armel and Pi1B was armhf testing it now
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[21:17] <ShorTie> they are all armv6 hard float
[21:17] <TheSin> even pi1
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[21:18] <ShorTie> pi 1's are why they are armv6
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[21:19] <JakeSays> i need a nap, dangit
[21:21] <Tenkawa> I need to finish building my next pi zero
[21:21] <Tenkawa> its being a nuisance
[21:22] <TheSin> pi zero woudl be armel then too I assume
[21:22] <TheSin> since it's based on teh bcm2708
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[21:23] <shauno> none of them are armel
[21:24] <TheSin> https://wiki.debian.org/RaspberryPi
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[21:25] <shauno> right. that's the whole reason rasbian exists. debian's armhf port doesn't support armv6, debian's armel port doesn't support the pi's hardfloat
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[21:26] <TheSin> ahhh
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[21:30] <shauno> I mean, armel works. (I believe they used it when they originally released). but you can have hardfloats if you want them. just not with debian's armv7 builds
[21:30] <shauno> (not even on the pi3's armv7 lol, at least until we get new bootcode)
[21:30] <TheSin> shauno, yeah that really helps thanks
[21:31] <TheSin> pi3 is arm8
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[21:31] <TheSin> but I had no idea debian limits armhf for arm7
[21:31] <TheSin> so that is neato
[21:31] <TheSin> and totally makes sense hence why I was confused with teh armel stuff, but I appreciate the info, and now I knwo and understand it
[21:32] <TheSin> it explains why I was having such a hard time booting the CM with armhf from debian
[21:32] <TheSin> building a custom armel form debian image now just to get it to boot
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[21:35] <ShorTie> everthing is compiled armv6, so it will work on any pi
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[21:38] <JakeSays> i'm trying to get clang to produce an armv7a binary
[21:38] <JakeSays> its being a pain
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[21:40] <Tenkawa> how?
[21:40] <ShorTie> you using Debian sources for your image/root files ??
[21:40] <JakeSays> Tenkawa: how what?
[21:41] <Tenkawa> only context you gave is that it was being a pain
[21:41] <Tenkawa> no details/info/etc
[21:42] <TheSin> ShorTie, was that @ me?
[21:42] <Tenkawa> or was it just a comment?
[21:42] <JakeSays> oh right. well, i've built a custom clang toolchain
[21:42] <ShorTie> ya
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[21:42] <TheSin> if so then yes debian plus a custom repo I maintainer for rpi stuff like kernel and firmware and such
[21:43] <ShorTie> �k�� ��K��
[21:43] <TheSin> though with my scripts I shoudl be able to point it all to raspbian real easy, fornow I just want ot see it boot though so armel will be good enough for this stage on the CM
[21:45] <ShorTie> you need stuff from the foundation for it to boot
[21:46] <ShorTie> might want to look at my_pi_os and how i did it
[21:46] <ShorTie> it pins the foundation stuff low, so it will pull from ftp.debian as long as it can find it
[21:47] <TheSin> yeah I have stuff form the foundation, all my special repo stuff is working
[21:47] <ShorTie> but can still get the foundation kernel and bootloader/firmware stuff
[21:47] <TheSin> at least on armhf/RPI2, I just haven't tried armel/rpi, and I dind't knwo what you just taught me about it
[21:47] <TheSin> I just don't like the raspbian setup and I don't like rpi-update at all on debian style system
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[21:48] <ShorTie> no real need for rpi-update
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[21:49] <mfa298> the suggestion now seems to be not to use rpi-update unless you're told to, they package the kernel and related bits now
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[21:51] <PCatinean> haha I managed to change the colors of the led's using a rotary sensor
[21:51] * PCatinean proud
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[21:54] <TheSin> ShorTie, yeah but when I start this that wasn't the case, raspbian did not build kernel packages, and they still don't follow the debian way, I have a util that builds my cmdline.ttxt and config.txt using .d dirs so I can add to it
[21:54] <lopta> PCatinean: LEDs that you have connected to GP output pins?
[21:54] <TheSin> plus I can have multiple version installed since i don't use kernel.img and kernel7.img
[21:54] <TheSin> I follow the debian kernel way
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[21:55] <PCatinean> lopta, yep and when turning the rotary thingy I just cycle through the gpio pins and turn them on/off depending on direction
[21:55] <PCatinean> I even made a short video :)))
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[21:55] <TheSin> so when I want to build a kernel module using m-a I can
[21:55] <ShorTie> 'kernel.img and kernel7.img' is just a name, and a 7 to say it is rpi2 because it is a different cpu
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[21:56] <lopta> PCatinean: So is the rotary thinggy a shaft encoder?
[21:56] <PCatinean> Rotary encoder yeah
[21:56] <lopta> Interesting.
[21:56] <TheSin> ShorTie, totally
[21:56] <PCatinean> ky040 I think
[21:56] <PCatinean> http://www.stuffaboutcode.com/2015/05/raspberry-pi-and-ky040-rotary-encoder.html
[21:56] <ShorTie> nothing wrong with the foundation kernels
[21:56] <ShorTie> most likely the best you can use
[21:56] <TheSin> but I use vmlinuz-4.1.0-2-rpi or vmlinuz-4.1.0-2-rpi2
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[21:57] <TheSin> and I have the config in the boot dir like the debian kernel packages to, so that debian tools work properly
[21:57] <ShorTie> lot of work to compile a kernel just for a different name, imho
[21:57] <TheSin> I also use a ll the debian security patches and such
[21:58] <TheSin> and it's all scripted now so not much work at all
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[21:58] <ShorTie> any security patch is quickly implimented and passed out by plugwash
[21:59] <TheSin> anyhow home time, and again thank you ShorTie I really appreciate the info on teh arv6/arv7 stuff today, it's made me rething a few things in my builder scripts
[21:59] <ShorTie> take a look at my_pi_os, it might give you some idea's
[22:00] <ShorTie> twas fun writing .. :)~
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[22:01] <TheSin> ShorTie, sure and check mine out ;)
[22:01] <TheSin> https://github.com/TheSin-/rpi-img-builder
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[22:01] <ShorTie> �k�� ��K��
[22:02] <TheSin> but obviously for rpi1 I'm going to do some work on it now knowing what I know ;)
[22:02] <ShorTie> complacated, lol, mines just a bash script
[22:02] <TheSin> yeah might has a plugin info so you can make custom load images
[22:03] <TheSin> my project needs a very minimal and custom setup this allows me to have a very slean setup for that
[22:03] <TheSin> tried to make it so anyone can make plugins and use what ever repo/dist they want to build with
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[22:05] <TheSin> forsure like how you did some of it like the snd config and such, hope you don't mind if I make plugins based on it for mine ;)
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[22:05] <TheSin> anyhow see ya later
[22:06] <ShorTie> oh ya, i do it all on the pi too so you don't need any cross-compiler
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[22:06] <ShorTie> ok, later, have a good 1
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[22:06] <Tenkawa> /join #linux-exynos
[22:06] <Tenkawa> heh sorry
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[22:08] <JakeSays> i tell ya cross compiling can be a nightmare
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[22:10] <nicolas17> how do I change the console keyboard layout in raspbian?
[22:11] <abnormal> in terminal sudo raspi-config
[22:11] <nicolas17> oh I didn't notice raspi-config had that
[22:11] <abnormal> yup
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[22:29] <poolson> hey whats the pros and cons of using arch vs debian?
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[22:33] <Arthur_D> poolson: arch = more bleeding edge, debian = older but better tested, typically
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[22:34] <poolson> does it run at 64 bit for pi3 ?
[22:34] <poolson> (arch)
[22:35] <Arthur_D> no idea, I would think so though
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[22:36] <ozzzy> why would you want to
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[22:38] <ShorTie> rpi3 isn't 64 bit
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[22:38] <nicolas17> ...it is
[22:38] <valesi> it is, but last I knew 64bit won't be for a while because videocore
[22:38] <lopta> nicolas17: Some of them are but Raspbian is 32-bit, I'm told.
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[22:39] <nicolas17> all official operating systems are (still) 32-bit, yes
[22:39] <nicolas17> but the rpi3 has a 64-bit CPU
[22:39] <ShorTie> don' t think they are in a hurry to get 64bit workin on it
[22:39] <nicolas17> "1.2GHz 64-bit quad-core ARM Cortex-A53 CPU"
[22:39] <lopta> nicolas17: Yes, I know.
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[22:42] <DWKnight> the rush to 64-bit operating systems MAY come after benchmarks prove their worth
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[22:45] <lopta> DWKnight: Perhaps we'll see a 64-bit BSD on the Raspberry Pi before Linux
[22:45] <DWKnight> maybe
[22:45] <DWKnight> but the benefits of 64-bit os aren't as complete as they would be if the pi had 4gb+ of ram
[22:46] <gordonDrogon> I'm in no rush for 64-bit..
[22:46] <lemonzest> lopta: freebsd arm has a 64bit kernel running, someone posted a dmesg boot log in here a few days ago
[22:46] <valesi> 64bit uses twice the space to store a variable address right? so if you have a lot of variables it uses much more RAM
[22:46] <gordonDrogon> 8 was enough for me :)
[22:46] <valesi> not the content, but the pointer
[22:47] <lopta> gordonDrogon: CP/M-80 ftw!
[22:47] <DWKnight> if you're ram-constrained already, going to 64-bit will actually make things worse
[22:47] <gordonDrogon> lopta, well, I was a 6502 man, myself :)
[22:47] <lemonzest> Z80 here
[22:47] <lopta> Do 64-bit ARM implementations have Thumb, these days?
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[22:47] <lopta> Hello Wulp
[22:48] <lopta> (Is Thumb still a thing?)
[22:48] <defsdoor> z80, 6502, 68000, 8086 here (in that order)
[22:48] <lopta> defsdoor: Bit of a stumble backwards at the end there ;-)
[22:48] <defsdoor> 8086 is a shock after the previous
[22:48] * lopta nods
[22:48] <defsdoor> espectially 68000
[22:49] <defsdoor> which is a beautifully thought out cpu
[22:49] <lopta> "try not to throw up in the bit bucket!"
[22:49] <gordonDrogon> does the ins 8060 count?
[22:49] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/stuff/mk14.jpg :)
[22:49] <defsdoor> used to love the inline assembler on the beed
[22:49] <defsdoor> beeb*
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[22:50] <gordonDrogon> I had a beeb, but I sort of liked the apple II for some reason - possibly as I'd been using them for some years before the beeb.. all good stuff though.
[22:51] <lopta> The Beeb is quite a bit more evolved than the Apple II, though each had its place.
[22:51] <Wulp> If its not out of place, does anyone know off-hand which wifi driver the pi3 uses?
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[22:53] <gordonDrogon> Wulp, brcmfmac
[22:53] <gordonDrogon> at least that's what it says in dmesg...
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[22:57] <Wulp> gordon - Thanks... I wonder if the pi version fixes any of the security issues with that driver.
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[23:01] <gordonDrogon> I wouldn't know.... what are they?
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[23:02] <Wulp> gordon, depending on the kernel version, hosts on the same wifi can either create new interfaces, crash the kernel, or possibly execute code.
[23:03] <oscarandjo> Hey, I'm having issues with making a shell script automatically execute at boot. I've copied the script to /etc/init.d and ran "update-rc.d /etc/init.d/pingPhone.sh defaults" but it's not starting at bot.
[23:03] <oscarandjo> boot*
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[23:03] <oscarandjo> I also did the chmod -x thing too.
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[23:04] <gordonDrogon> oscarandjo, have you tried the simplest of tests - like echo "hello world" > /tmp/testfile on the 2nd line of your script?
[23:04] <valesi> do you need a /etc/defaults/ file?
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[23:04] <oscarandjo> gordonDrogon - The script works fine when I run it manually as intended. It's just when it's supposed to auto execute it doesn't.
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[23:05] <gordonDrogon> oscarandjo, check the $PATH the script uses - there is usually none set at boot time
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[23:06] <oscarandjo> What do you mean by that, gordonDrogon
[23:06] <oscarandjo> There are no paths inside the script
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[23:06] <gordonDrogon> you need to set $PATH in your script. see other scripts for examples.
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[23:07] <oscarandjo> Yeah it's not running other scripts, it's just pinging my phone and under certain conditions running gpio commands
[23:07] <oscarandjo> It does need to run as root though, do init.d autostart scripts run as root?
[23:07] <gordonDrogon> ok - how does it find the gpio command? if gpio is in /usr/bin then it won't find it unless $PATH includes /usr/bin
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[23:08] <oscarandjo> ah I see. So I'd change "gpio write 0 1" to "/usr/bin/gpio write 0 1"
[23:08] <valesi> or set PATH in the script
[23:08] <oscarandjo> How would I do that?
[23:08] <gordonDrogon> well - that's one way, the other is to put: PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin in the first few lines of the script ...
[23:09] <oscarandjo> Okay
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[23:09] <oscarandjo> Just that and it should solve it?
[23:09] <oscarandjo> What exactly does that do though? For learning sake :)
[23:09] <valesi> well it's not clear what exactly your issue is
[23:09] <gordonDrogon> well - maybe - you need to check where the commands live that the script uses. Use the 'which' command at the terminal.
[23:10] <oscarandjo> Ah that's useful gordon
[23:10] <gordonDrogon> PATH is a shell variable that the shell looks at when its looking for commands you type (or run in a script)
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[23:10] <gordonDrogon> in a terminal type: echo $PATH
[23:10] <oscarandjo> Yeah I see - /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games
[23:11] <oscarandjo> So that's the locations it can run scripts from?
[23:11] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[23:11] <gordonDrogon> scripts & programs.
[23:11] <oscarandjo> but when my script executes at boot it likely doesn't have the scope for some of the scripts I used
[23:11] <gordonDrogon> at boot time, the scripts in init.d have no path, so its up to you to set it.
[23:12] <oscarandjo> I see, thanks. I'll try that path recommendation
[23:12] <gordonDrogon> have a look at the file 'skeleton' in /etc/init.d for an example..
[23:12] <oscarandjo> You mean type ls there?
[23:13] <oscarandjo> Yeah I see that there are a load of programs there :)
[23:13] <gordonDrogon> well: less /etc/init.d/skeleton
[23:14] <oscarandjo> Ah yeah I have put a skeleton in
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[23:16] <gordonDrogon> that's an example script...
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[23:17] <oscarandjo> Here's my script gordonDrogon - Did I setup the skeleton properly? http://pastebin.com/raw/1LAQ3CqD
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[23:18] <poolson> oops had to disconnect for a bit
[23:18] <poolson> anyway
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[23:18] <poolson> someone asked why i would want to do 64 bit
[23:18] <poolson> seriously?
[23:18] <Crom> hypermist's zero just showed up
[23:18] <poolson> weird question :)
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[23:18] <poolson> anyway ill give arch a shot !
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> oscarandjo, run the script manually now - see if it still works, then reboot & hope ... :)
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> poolson, so why do you want to do 64 bit?
[23:20] <oscarandjo> Okay it's working when ran manually.
[23:20] <oscarandjo> All this hassle could have been avoided if the magic mirror display supported HDMI-CEC :P
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[23:23] <oscarandjo> gordonDrogon it works :) Magic mirror turns off and on as intended yay
[23:23] <oscarandjo> Thanks a ton for the help
[23:24] <oscarandjo> time to make a SD card image
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[23:34] <oscarandjo> gordonDrogon - It's having issues again. The first few toggles of the mirror worked, but now it's not working and it's not showing the script in "ps agx"
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[23:34] <oscarandjo> It's almost like the script has finished, but it's in a while : loop so should continue forever
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[23:47] <oscarandjo> Is there a way to view a log of the things that have been echoed in background autostart scripts?
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[23:49] <valesi> probably in /var/log
[23:49] <valesi> syslog I think
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[23:52] <oscarandjo> Thanks valesi
[23:52] <oscarandjo> It's saying that my autostart script timed out
[23:52] <oscarandjo> It's supposed to run forever, so maybe it's interpreting that as a stuck script
[23:53] <oscarandjo> How can I tell it that it's supposed to run forever and it's not timed out?
[23:53] <valesi> hm, yeah I'm not sure init scripts are supposed to run forever. they usually start a separate daemon
[23:53] <oscarandjo> Do I need to define a DAEMON= like in the skeleton if the actual script is contained in the .sh script?
[23:54] <valesi> I'm not sure
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[23:55] <oscarandjo> Hmm - I can't even find anyone online who's had the same issue with an autostart script
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