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IRC Log for 2016-03-18

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[0:06] <oscarandjo> I'm just going to put a startup script in init.d that executes the actual script which I'll put in my home directory
[0:06] <oscarandjo> That way it wont be killed off
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[0:26] <jrcharney> "ImportError: No module named 'sense_hat'"
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[0:27] <Jonno_FTW> when I booted up up my rpi3 for the first time, using the same sd card I used in my rpi2, I just got a screen with some colours and it hanged
[0:27] <Jonno_FTW> do I need to use a new install of my os?
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[0:28] <jrcharney> Jonno_FTW: More than likely. But don't wipe the card. Keep using that one for your Pi2
[0:28] <Jonno_FTW> that's the plan
[0:28] <Jonno_FTW> I thought it might just magically work
[0:29] <jrcharney> I am working on a wiki on Github for Raspberry Pi hacktops which could be useful for other pi projects.
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[0:29] <Jonno_FTW> is there any ip rated enclosures for rpi?
[0:30] <jrcharney> Jonno_FTW: you did on the other hand solve something that has been on my mind for some time. "What would happen if you put a Pi2 sd card into a Pi3?" And now I know
[0:30] <Jonno_FTW> haha
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[0:32] <mfa298> Jonno_FTW: if the image is a jessie one you may just need to apt-get upgrade it to have it work on the pi3 (not that i've tested that)
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[0:34] <jrcharney> Jonno_FTW: mfa298 might have a point. Was the Pi2 image wheezy or jessie?
[0:34] <Jonno_FTW> I don't recall
[0:35] <Jonno_FTW> raspbian of some sort
[0:35] <Jonno_FTW> not sure which version
[0:35] <jrcharney> Jonno_FTW: couldn't you run screenfetch on the pi2 to see that information?
[0:36] <Jonno_FTW> it's not plugged in atm
[0:36] <Jonno_FTW> it doesn't really matter, I'll just get some new sd cards in
[0:36] <jrcharney> Jonno_FTW: actually it would matter
[0:37] <jrcharney> at least for information purposes
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[0:39] <jrcharney> At any rate, I can't seem to get this Sense HAT to work because the one thing doesn't know where to find the Import library
[0:40] <Jonno_FTW> if python can't import, it sounds like your python install is broken
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[0:40] <jrcharney> No it's not. It works fine
[0:40] <Jonno_FTW> what import library?
[0:41] <jrcharney> "import sense_hat from SenseHat"
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[0:42] <Jonno_FTW> is and you installed sense-hat?
[0:42] <jrcharney> Yes
[0:43] <Jonno_FTW> try pip install sense-hat ?
[0:43] <Jonno_FTW> you also don't have multiple python versions installed?
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[0:43] <Jonno_FTW> does sense-hat appear in your site packages folder?
[0:43] <jrcharney> Just about every version of raspberry pi does. 2 and 3
[0:44] <Jonno_FTW> that might be the problem
[0:44] <Jonno_FTW> you can always turn on verbose mode in python and see where it's looking
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[0:45] <jrcharney> Don't know why raspberry pi suggested using apt-get to get the sense-hat modules
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[0:47] <jrcharney> the instruction say get sense-hat from apt-get
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[0:52] <nicolas17> what xserver video driver am I supposed to install on raspbian?
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[1:52] <ali1234> jrcharney: from SenseHat import sense_hat
[1:52] <ali1234> not the other way around
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[2:01] <jrcharney> ali1234: Nope. "No module named SenseHat"
[2:01] <swift110-phone> Hey
[2:01] <jrcharney> Even after I used pip to install sense-hat
[2:01] <ali1234> jrcharney: what distro?
[2:01] <jrcharney> raspbian jessie
[2:01] <ali1234> oh i see the problem
[2:01] <ali1234> sense-hat is not the python library
[2:02] <jrcharney> I installed it using apt-get too
[2:02] <ali1234> the python library is python-sense-hat or python3-sense-hat (you probably want the former)
[2:02] <exonormal> aww, sorry
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[2:03] <ali1234> then you want "from sense_hat import SenseHat"
[2:03] <nicolas17> is it possible to use OpenGL from an X application?
[2:03] <ali1234> just tested, it works after installing python-sense-hat from apt
[2:04] <ali1234> under debian derivatives python library packages are always prefixed with python- or python3-
[2:04] <ball> nicolas17: Perhaps via AIGLX?
[2:05] <nicolas17> ball: https://paste.kde.org/pu9yvsonk
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[2:05] <plm> Hi all
[2:05] <swift110-phone> Hey exonormal
[2:05] <exonormal> hello, swift110-phone
[2:05] <exonormal> what's new, swift110-phone
[2:05] <swift110-phone> How r u exonormal
[2:06] <plm> Is possible to use pi3 (using inside bluetooth) to streaming an audio to a bluetooth sound box?
[2:06] <ball> nicolas17: So much for that theory then.
[2:06] <swift110-phone> Hnm
[2:06] <nicolas17> so forget X, can I run a fullscreen OpenGL app at least?
[2:06] <exonormal> I am good, swift110-phone
[2:06] <Hitechcg> plm: It is, it's your job to figure out how.
[2:06] * ball shrugs
[2:06] <swift110-phone> Plm is good idea
[2:06] <nicolas17> I see scary stuff about custom VideoCode APIs
[2:06] <jrcharney> ali1234: OK, will try that. Apparently sense-hat is just the examples and the configuration
[2:07] <plm> Hitechcg: that should be my nest question :)
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[2:07] <plm> swift110-phone: yes, I have a mp3 music list in pi3 and would like to play in my bluetooth sound box.
[2:07] <ali1234> jrcharney: right
[2:08] <swift110-phone> Thats cool
[2:08] <swift110-phone> Pi3 can do a lot
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[2:10] <plm> Hitechcg: swift110-phone any idea how to do that?
[2:11] <swift110-phone> If its Bluetooth it should play the music
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[2:12] <willmore> Anyone with a Pi3 tried running burncpu on it?
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[2:13] <ball> willmore: Is that even available for ARM?
[2:13] <swift110-phone> Can you use wiimote with pi3
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[2:14] <willmore> ball, sure. just compile the .S file and it's really easy. It even makes a proper 32 bit or 64 bit version depending on the environment.
[2:14] <willmore> do you have one you can test on?
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[2:14] <ball> willmore: Not set up at present.
[2:14] <ball> I ran out of monitors.
[2:15] <willmore> when you do, pull https://github.com/ssvb/cpuburn-arm/raw/master/cpuburn-a53.S and assemble it. Piece of cake.
[2:16] <ali1234> willmore: i have tried it
[2:16] <ali1234> cpuburn-a53 is the hottest
[2:17] <ali1234> it make the pi throttle permanently at the lowest possible speed within about 10 seconds
[2:17] <ali1234> pi 3*
[2:17] <ball> Perhaps I could liquid cool it ;-)
[2:17] <ali1234> other benchmarks such as sysbench, and the other cpuburns will take about 2 minutes before the pi even starts throttling
[2:18] <willmore> ali1234, how many cores did it take?
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[2:18] <ali1234> it uses however many cores you have. you cannot configure that
[2:18] <ali1234> unless you change the code
[2:18] <willmore> I'm torturing a bunch of SBCs with it. Hmm, it only used one core for me. I compiled it outside of its build system. Maybe it's meant to be linked with libpthread?
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[2:19] <ali1234> i compiled it as specified inside the file
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[2:20] <berg> greetings fellow explorers
[2:20] <willmore> ali1234, that's how I compiled it as well, but it only uses one thread--I have to invoke multiple instances to get more. Which I actually like as it gives better control.
[2:21] <ali1234> http://i.imgur.com/GgZncp7.png
[2:21] <ali1234> it works for me
[2:22] <berg> is there a way to take a screenshot in raspbian that will also show the omxplayer running?
[2:22] <willmore> Huh, even with -E, gcc shows that the # of CPU detection #ifdef'ed by __linux__ is getting included. I wonder why that fails...
[2:22] <ali1234> berg: not easily no
[2:22] <ali1234> unless there is, but i don't know about it
[2:23] <ali1234> you;d need to talk to the hardware compositor directly and ask it what surfaces it is drawing, collect them all, and composite them into a screenshot
[2:23] <berg> yeah its ok ali1234 I have been searching for a while and found nothing either
[2:24] <berg> well i was gona show off my omxplayer and GUI but its might need a screen shot from external machine
[2:25] <ali1234> you culd just take a photo of the screen
[2:25] <ali1234> old school style
[2:25] <berg> yes thats the plan
[2:25] <ali1234> that will always work
[2:25] <berg> why get too fancy
[2:25] <berg> ok thanks
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[2:28] <willmore> ali1234, I recompiled it and now it's using all cores. Strange.
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[2:28] <ewy99> Hey, everyone. Just got my Pi 3 today and I'm setting up my config.txt file for retropie 3.6(that I removed from my pi2), what should the settings be as far as arm_freq, overvolt and such
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[2:31] <jrcharney> ali1234: apparently python-sense-hat and python3-sense-hat were both installed when this problem still happened anyway.
[2:31] <Strykar> Hi, is there a hat that will do GSM, GPRS and GPS?
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[2:31] <Strykar> with PPS output to the RPi GPIO
[2:32] <ali1234> whats PPS?
[2:32] <willmore> pulse per second
[2:32] <willmore> Used for accurate timekeeping.
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[2:33] <Strykar> pulse per second, this board does it but no GSM https://store.uputronics.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=60_64&product_id=81
[2:33] <ali1234> i doubt you will got both on one hat
[2:33] <Strykar> you dont know what PPS is but you seem confident I wont get both on 1 hat?
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[2:33] <ali1234> yes.
[2:33] <Strykar> why?
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[2:34] <ali1234> it would be very expensive, and the raspberry pi is designed for school children
[2:34] <Strykar> getting PPS output from a GPS to the RPi is a single solder, hardly expensive
[2:35] <ali1234> sure, but you asked for a hat with both, not a piece of wire
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[2:36] <ali1234> notice also that HATs can be stacked so there is no need to make HATs with every possible combination of hardware someone might want
[2:37] <ewy99> Sorry to bother anyone, but am I asking my questions wrong, the past several times I have been in here asking for help, it's like no one sees my question? thanks!
[2:37] <ali1234> ewy99: you should leave the config.txt alone on pi 3
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[2:39] <ali1234> unlike every previous pi model to date, it is actually possible to make the pi 3 heat up to dangerous levels
[2:39] <ewy99> that's what I thought, but the arm is showing frequency of 900mhz with core frequency of 250mhz
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[2:40] <ali1234> this is the default config.txt from pi 3 http://paste.debian.net/416442/
[2:40] <blocky> can i do pxe boot off rpi 3 without an sd card?
[2:40] <ziddey> nah
[2:41] <MiningInc> .vnl
[2:41] <MiningInc> .XVC
[2:41] <MiningInc> lol vnl...
[2:41] <MiningInc> whats that
[2:41] <ali1234> blocky: theoretically yes.
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[2:41] <blocky> ali1234: why theoretically? is it a lot of work?
[2:41] <ali1234> blocky: afaik the instructions on how to do it have not been released yet
[2:42] <jrcharney> Anyone know a HDMI sound tutorial
[2:42] <jrcharney> ?
[2:42] <blocky> ali1234: for any rpi or for the 3?
[2:42] <ewy99> ali1234, that helps a lot, thanks!
[2:42] <ali1234> blocky: for the 3
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[2:42] <ali1234> blocky: supposedly it can boot from USB or network, without SD card. supposedly
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[2:44] <ali1234> blocky: any pi can pxe boot if you put in a tiny SD card with u-boot and a few firmware files
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[2:44] <MiningInc> ali1234 It is possible to boot from USB with pi 2 ?
[2:45] <ali1234> MiningInc: not without an SD card
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[2:45] <ali1234> this is a new feature of the pi 3 SoC
[2:45] <MiningInc> ali1234. Short explanation?
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[2:45] <ali1234> the short explanation is they put in a newer mask rom in the new SoC
[2:45] <Osirus126> i need help with an xrdp server issue
[2:46] <MiningInc> I wish I had an xrdp server issue!
[2:46] <MiningInc> ...wait a minute
[2:46] <Osirus126> xrdp server running on pi2 and remmina used to connect on ubuntu 15.10
[2:46] <Osirus126> haha
[2:47] <Osirus126> but getting squished desktop
[2:47] <Osirus126> http://derp.co.uk/bad1d
[2:47] <Osirus126> imagebin of issue
[2:47] <blocky> what's a mask rom?
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[2:48] <ali1234> it is boot code burned directly into the processor which cannot be changed
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[2:49] <blocky> and we think it tries to boot off usb/pxe but nobody has tested it?
[2:49] <exonormal> sweet, I like that screen.... cool...
[2:49] <ali1234> someone from the foundation said that this new feature exists in the pi 3 soc on twitter
[2:49] <ali1234> and that details will be released "soon"
[2:49] <ali1234> hang on i will find it
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[2:50] <blocky> is there a public datasheet for the soc?
[2:50] <blocky> also does the bootloader on pi2/pi3 output anything to the uart?
[2:50] <ali1234> depends what you mean by bootloader
[2:51] <blocky> well actually i'm not too familiar with the boot process
[2:51] <blocky> what loads the kernel? is it on the sdcard?
[2:51] <ali1234> yes
[2:51] <ali1234> the mask rom loads bootcode.bin from the sd card
[2:51] <ali1234> bootcode.bin loads start.elf
[2:51] <ali1234> start.elf loads the kernel
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[2:52] <ali1234> at least i think that's how it works. it's also possible bootcode.bin loads both start.elf and the kernel
[2:52] <blocky> so does the mask rom use the uart?
[2:52] <ali1234> it isn;t really documented
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[2:52] <ali1234> the mask rom does not use the uart on previous models. i have not checked on the pi 3, but i expect not
[2:52] <blocky> what i'm wondering is, with no sdcard, is there any output on the uart
[2:52] <blocky> ah ok
[2:53] <ali1234> it certainly doesn't print any helpful messages anyway
[2:53] <blocky> what is bootcode.bin? is it open source?
[2:53] <ali1234> no
[2:53] <ali1234> it's videocore machine code
[2:53] <Osirus126> anyone able to help?
[2:53] <blocky> Osirus126: did you specify the resolution when you started the rdp client/server?
[2:54] <blocky> is start.elf open source?
[2:54] <ali1234> nope
[2:54] <blocky> but there's no grub or anything, it boots linux kernel directly?
[2:54] <ali1234> yes
[2:55] <blocky> so can you not change kernel parameters?
[2:55] <ali1234> you can rename u-boot to "kernel.img" and it will load
[2:55] <blocky> ah
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[2:55] <ali1234> then you can have grub PXE load a kernel
[2:55] <ali1234> but this requires an SD card on all previous models
[2:55] <Osirus126> blocky, yes i did and still no change
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[2:55] <blocky> Osirus126: any debug output?
[2:56] <brianx> did they add an sd-less mode for a newer pi?
[2:56] <ali1234> brianx: it seems that way
[2:57] <blocky> but it's a secret for some reason
[2:57] <Osirus126> blocky, not sure how i would get debug info on this
[2:57] <blocky> Osirus126: try launching it from a terminal
[2:57] <ali1234> blocky: it's not secret, it's just not finished
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[2:58] <brianx> ali1234: i know the zero tries to boot off usb. didn't know something else did. would that be the 2b or 3b? or both?
[2:58] <ali1234> brianx: 3b, and this is different to what the zero and A+ does
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[2:58] <ali1234> this can supposedly boot from a USB stick
[2:58] <ali1234> or the network
[2:58] <Osirus126> blocky, the xrdp server runs fine. its just the resolution is squished.. yet only when i connect from pc on remmina.. i can connect with my phone using an rdp client and it works fine
[2:58] <blocky> i have a 3b sitting here but i haven't powered it up because i dont have an sdcard
[2:58] <ali1234> blocky: tcpdump it?
[2:59] <blocky> ?
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[2:59] <blocky> oh i see
[2:59] <Osirus126> blocky, did you see the image of my screen when i connect? http://derp.co.uk/bad1d
[2:59] <blocky> Osirus126: yes did you see my message about how to check debug output
[2:59] <OsciX> dafk.net/what
[2:59] <OsciX> www.dafk.net/what
[2:59] <blocky> ?
[2:59] <Osirus126> yes
[2:59] <blocky> did it work?
[3:00] <OsciX> Hey, check out my Hackaday Prize concept submission! https://hackaday.io/project/10349-rollingpi Do you guys have any suggestions?
[3:00] <blocky> ali1234: ill go round up some cables
[3:00] <brianx> interesting ali1234, thanks.
[3:00] <ali1234> here is the twitter message https://twitter.com/gsholling/status/704295087849795584
[3:00] <blocky> ah sounds like it's not even written
[3:00] <ali1234> i don't know how to show context but he's replying to someone who asked if the pi 3 can boot without an sd card
[3:01] <OsciX> blocky: Just a concept
[3:01] <ali1234> blocky: it must be written, bbecause it's burned into the ROM
[3:01] <ali1234> that can't be changed after manufacturing
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[3:02] <ali1234> however it will probably need changes inside start.elf that you serve over PXE
[3:03] <blocky> "requires more software support" not sure what that means
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[3:03] <ali1234> since it is a multi-stage boot, you need a newer start.elf to load the kernel
[3:03] <ali1234> if you send the old one it will just look for the kernel on the SD card
[3:04] <ali1234> or maybe you need to send it a combined file with the start.elf and kernel. in which case you need a tool to combine them in the correct way
[3:05] <ali1234> really it could mean anything. but the foundation has to be there inside the ROM
[3:06] <blocky> yeah
[3:06] <blocky> wifi adapters don't do promiscuous mode, rght?
[3:06] <ali1234> some of them can, if you flip a switch
[3:06] <nicolas17> no, there's something different
[3:06] <nicolas17> don't remember the name
[3:06] <ali1234> PXE may only work with the wired ethernet
[3:06] <nicolas17> where you see all packets for anyone, even internal stuff used by the wi-fi protocol
[3:06] <ali1234> because the mask ROM won't have your wifi password in it
[3:07] <nicolas17> however, in most adapters, while that is enabled, you can't use it normally so you have no network access, it's only useful for debugging and stuff
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[3:07] <ali1234> nicolas17: it is called monitor mode
[3:08] <nicolas17> that's it
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[3:18] <blocky> hmm i don't see any traffic in wireshark
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[3:22] <blocky> i did not(ip.addr == <ip of capture machine>) and ip.dst == 192.168.0.255 and ip.src = 0.0.0.0
[3:22] <blocky> and i just dropped my thinkpad :/
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[3:24] <sir_galahad_ad> o/
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[3:25] <blocky> i've had it for almost 5 years and the plastic case has been seriously cracked for most of that time lol
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[3:26] <DWKnight> some laptops are tanks, others not so much
[3:26] <DWKnight> thinkpads tend to be tanks
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[3:28] <blocky> it was like 3 months old and the lcd failed, warranty covered, no problem, but the local authorized repair center gave it back to me with huge gaps in the case and several cracks in the bezel as if someone had forced it back together
[3:31] <blocky> to its credit tho it's run pretty much flawlessly since then, minus the battery
[3:33] <DWKnight> batteries are usually the first things to die in laptops
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[3:43] <bberg> ^^ Beberg
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[3:46] <bberg> Beberg2: you too.
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[4:32] <hypermist> Nice Crom
[4:33] <livegorilla_> hi, I was wondering if anyone had any info on connecting a pi model b to a dual link dvi-d only display
[4:36] <hypermist> my pi0 from my friend just showed up today Crom ;D
[4:36] <hypermist> so its a win win day
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[4:37] <ziddey> livegorilla_, http://www.amazon.com/Importer520-Plated-Female-DVI-D-Adapter/dp/B0035B4LJM
[4:41] <Crom> yay
[4:41] <Crom> still waiting on rpi3's
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[4:42] <hypermist> :D Crom
[4:42] <Valduare> livegorilla_: http://amzn.to/1RSfYUB i perfer cables
[4:42] <Valduare> instead of adapters when possible
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[4:42] <Crom> you boot from the rpi0 yet?
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[4:43] <hypermist> have only just got out of bed Crom haha
[4:44] <Crom> extracting rasbian to the hard drive right now... once that happens I'll write it to your 8GB card
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[4:44] <Crom> what time is it there? 10am?
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[4:44] <hypermist> 4:44pm Crom lol
[4:45] <Crom> just got out of bed huh? nice!
[4:45] <ball> 22:45 here.
[4:45] <ball> (in case anyone wondered ;-)
[4:45] <hypermist> Im lazy :(
[4:45] <Crom> 2045 here
[4:45] <hypermist> I dont know 24hr :p
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[4:45] <Crom> 2045 - 1200 == 8:45pm
[4:45] <hypermist> ah
[4:46] <Crom> all my clock are 24.. so I know if it's 4am or 4pm
[4:46] <valesi> 12hr time is an abomination
[4:46] <Crom> took awhile to get my wife trained
[4:46] <valesi> a blight upon this land
[4:47] <Crom> I can see the time, not the dot for PM on my clocks
[4:47] <valesi> who's bright idea was it to have the same number mean two different times in the same day?
[4:48] <hypermist> lol valesi i dont even know how to read a normal clock :p
[4:48] <Crom> Babilonions
[4:48] <hypermist> Analog
[4:48] <ball> Dave's. I think it was Dave's idea.
[4:48] <ball> Analogue ;-)
[4:48] * valesi shakes fist at Dave
[4:48] <Crom> they're also the ones that came up with 360 degrees in a circle
[4:48] <hypermist> lol give me a rest ball :p
[4:49] <valesi> yeah, they're our reason for the 6 and 60 obsessions
[4:49] <Crom> and your shoes have velcro right?
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[4:49] <spike> Crom, did you hear back from pimoroni
[4:50] <Crom> not yet. I'll contact them monday.. bit busy this weekend
[4:50] <Crom> Ironhorse Family Steampunk Carnivale starting tomorrow.. (at least for me...) Load in...
[4:51] <Crom> being a Boothy this weekend
[4:51] <livegorilla_> Valduare, I have tried cables like that, but the issue is that my monitor requires a dual link input, but the pi seems only to be able to provide a single link output
[4:51] <livegorilla_> as far as I can tell
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[4:52] <Valduare> like that ? http://amzn.to/1RpYGO3
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[4:52] <Valduare> ohh the pi gives the output ya
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[4:53] <Valduare> did you go through this forum thread https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=18448
[4:54] <Valduare> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=91&t=103556
[4:55] <ball> livegorilla_: How large is your monitor?
[4:55] <hypermist> hmm i wonder what to do with my pi0 now
[4:55] <hypermist> xD
[4:56] <Valduare> hypermist get a c4labs zebra zero plus case for it :)
[4:56] <hypermist> i got a 3d printed case for it lol
[4:56] <Valduare> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEWf1DFQYBw
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[5:01] <sgflt> i'm looking for device trees (.dtb) files, similar to the raspberry pi ones, for other ARM boards (sorry for the off-topic). does anyone know whether it is mandatory to release these on ARM and where to find them for STM32 boards?
[5:04] <hypermist> heh Valduare nah i wont do stuff like that xD
[5:06] <Valduare> wha? you got a cool raspberry pi 0 and your not going to use it with a breadboard? :P
[5:06] <Valduare> you better send it on over my way then heh
[5:06] <spike> do you guys know of a good place to buy a breadboard and basic supplies for cheap?
[5:07] <Valduare> how basic spike
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[5:07] <hypermist> i dont have the money Valduare :p
[5:07] <hypermist> to buy a case
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[5:07] <spike> Valduare, honestly I just want to start learning a little bit. so probably a breadboard, some wires and transistors or resistors, and maybe a couple leds? eventually i want to get a temperature sensor though
[5:07] <Valduare> hypermist: the first case I put my pi zero in I printed out on cardstock paper from my laserjet printer
[5:08] <sir_galahad_ad> o/
[5:08] <Valduare> I dont have any pics of it but I made a couple of them one white and another with real neat designs then cut it out
[5:08] <Valduare> ok let me take a look spike
[5:08] <hypermist> I got the person who shipped the pi0 to me to make me a 3d printed case heh
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[5:08] <Valduare> whats your budget spike
[5:09] <spike> Valduare, i'd say $15 or less, but less preferably. i know that's probably a tough ask, but if possible it'd be good
[5:09] <Valduare> http://amzn.to/1R25fe0 bam :)
[5:09] <spike> some of these kits have huge bunches of wires and other things and i just don't want to overbuy right away when i just want to experiment a little
[5:09] <spike> yeah i was looking at that one :)
[5:10] <Valduare> even a breadboard power supply (plugs into the breadboard end and provides power
[5:10] <spike> looks pretty cool
[5:10] <Valduare> its a good kit, has plenty of resisters
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[5:10] <Valduare> you will use lots of them for projects
[5:10] <Crom> guess I'll have to throw in some breadboard when I send the pi's to you
[5:10] <Valduare> and the breadobard power supply will be handy for years
[5:10] <Crom> I got those too
[5:11] <Crom> hmmm better throw in a couple bluetooth radios as well
[5:12] <spike> Valduare, does the breadboard power supply suplement the pi's power?
[5:12] <nicolas17> ok, fun
[5:12] <nicolas17> looks like I'll have to cross-compile Qt5 myself
[5:13] <Valduare> spike, it just plugs into the breadboard for a psu
[5:13] <Valduare> which is nice so your not robbing from the pi for some types of projects that are power hungry etc
[5:13] <ball> nicolas17: xaw ftw? ;-)
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[5:13] <nicolas17> what even is xaw? :P
[5:13] <berg> http://gallery.anotherpower.com/main.php/d/31440-2/omxplayer-and-menu.png
[5:14] <berg> omxplayer on raspberry pi
[5:14] <spike> Valduare, ah gotcha
[5:14] <ball> nicolas17: X
[5:14] <ball> athena Widgets
[5:14] <nicolas17> oh ew
[5:14] <berg> anyone want it http://pastebin.com/Hwhgssck have fun it works
[5:14] * ball nods
[5:14] <nicolas17> I want fancy animations and stuff
[5:14] <Crom> http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-MB102-Breadboard-Power-Supply-Module-3-3V-5V-F-Solderless-Arduino-mini-usb-/262136733765?hash=item3d08912045:g:7fAAAOSwG-1Wz6o~
[5:14] <nicolas17> but I can't get Qt to work with eglfs
[5:14] <nicolas17> I might need to compile it from source
[5:15] <nicolas17> newer version + use the linux-rasp-pi-g++ mkspec
[5:15] <ball> What's an eglfs?
[5:15] <Crom> oh yeah still waiting for the zero case too
[5:16] <nicolas17> "EGL is an interface between OpenGL and the native windowing system"
[5:16] <nicolas17> "EGLFS is a platform plugin for running Qt5 applications on top of EGL and OpenGL ES 2.0 without an actual windowing system (like X11 or Wayland)."
[5:17] <nicolas17> crosscompiling will be a bit of a pain though :/
[5:17] <ball> Alien stuff to me.
[5:18] <nicolas17> I mounted a raspbian image to use as sysroot, but I don't know how to add library deps to it
[5:18] <berg> last alien i saw i shot it
[5:18] <nicolas17> I can't just chroot into it and use apt-get, because the apt-get binary would be ARM and I'm on amd64 :P
[5:18] <Crom> berg it wasn't a toaster was it?
[5:18] <berg> :)
[5:18] <nicolas17> maybe I should install all the deps on my actual raspi, then transfer them off
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[5:20] <Crom> berg, http://imgur.com/RypKLyP
[5:20] <Crom> sheeeshz still extracting...
[5:20] <berg> I love transformers
[5:21] <nicolas17> there's even a chance that I'll get it all running and it will turn out to be too slow
[5:22] * ball is too slow
[5:22] <nicolas17> I don't know if a raspi1 is up to the task of QtQuick2 at 1080p
[5:22] <berg> Im impressed how well omxplayer runs
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[5:22] <berg> qt is very bloated even for a full size PC
[5:23] <nicolas17> well I can't do this in HTML5, can *any* web browser use GPU acceleration on the pi?
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[5:26] * [Saint] shakes a fist
[5:26] <[Saint]> How did I not know about ecryptfs-migrate-home -u USER before now?
[5:27] <ball> Goodnight!
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[5:27] <[Saint]> I was setting up encrypted home directories the old longwinded way for years unnecessarily.
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[5:32] <swift110-phone> Hey
[5:34] <sir_galahad_ad> hey
[5:35] <jrcharney> exit
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[5:51] <swift110-phone> Lol
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[5:53] <Coded1> Hello all
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[5:54] <Jonno_FTW> how can I find out what the wifi module is built into rpi3?
[5:54] <Crom> hmmm
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[5:54] <Crom> I don't have mine yet.
[5:54] <Crom> do you have another pi?
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[5:55] <Coded1> I have a PI2 Running the latest Raspbian Jessie. All was running fine but I had an app that needed more memory (only had 64MB setup). I set it to 256 just to see how it would work and found the option for "OpenGL Desktop" and turned it on. After a reboot I get the colourful square and then the monitor shuts off
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[5:55] <Crom> Jonno_FTW, got another sd card?
[5:56] <Jonno_FTW> no
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[5:56] <Coded1> I can still reboot (crtl + alt + del) but the screen is blank
[5:56] <Coded1> any ideas?
[5:56] <Crom> ahh...
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[5:56] <Crom> Coded1, do you have another sd card?
[5:56] <Coded1> I can wipe this one and reinstall
[5:56] <Crom> Jonno_FTW, latest raspbian is supposed to bring up wifi
[5:56] <Coded1> might be able to find one though
[5:57] <Jonno_FTW> ok
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[5:57] <Coded1> Crom, what's the plan?
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[5:57] <Jonno_FTW> I actually need to be able to connect an antenna for bluetooth /wifi
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[5:58] <Crom> Coded1, reinstall image or install stock image on new card. using usb card reader, edit config to turn off opengl desktop via config files on old image
[5:58] <Crom> or say screw it and just reinstall stock image
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[5:59] <Coded1> k
[5:59] <Coded1> does the OpenGL Destop normally work? Did I forget to install a package or something?
[5:59] <Crom> Jonno_FTW, you need to run another antenna besides the stock atenna..
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[6:00] <Crom> there is a header on the board to solder on an external antenna connector, but one is not install
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[6:00] <Crom> not sure...
[6:01] <Crom> Coded1, not sure
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[6:01] <Crom> Coded1, you can check the forums...
[6:02] <Coded1> Crom, will do thanks
[6:02] <Crom> weeee just spent $60 on ebay
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[6:03] <Crom> drill index, thread nippers, ws2812b LED's, and 4 bt modules
[6:04] <Coded1> Crom, yup forgot to install some packages
[6:04] <Coded1> just turning it on doesn't work
[6:05] <Crom> ahhhh and there you go. OK bedtime for this Bonzo
[6:05] <Crom> laterz all
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[6:32] <[Saint]> Hmmm.
[6:32] <[Saint]> apt has started bitching about sources using an SHA1 digest key
[6:33] <[Saint]> As of apt 1.2.7, if $SOURCE doesn't have an SHA2 signature, apt will cry about it with a 'weak digest' error and bail.
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[6:35] <[Saint]> There's a BAJILLION people just discovering this within the last ~12 hours.
[6:36] <[Saint]> https://juliank.wordpress.com/2016/03/15/clarifications-and-updates-on-apt-sha1/
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[7:11] <hypermist> dam, the pihut essentials kit comes with lots of gpio header things
[7:11] <hypermist> well probably not all gpio
[7:11] <hypermist> but
[7:11] <hypermist> L:o
[7:11] <hypermist> ;p*
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[7:30] <swift110-phone> Hmm
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[8:34] <sir_galahad_ad> night guys
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[8:36] <hypermist> hmm i wonder what os to install on my pi0
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[8:38] <shiftplusone> raspbian lite of course
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[8:50] <hypermist> shiftplusone, i was thinking about doing so..
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[8:50] <hypermist> i'll flash one onto my 16gb card
[8:50] <hypermist> in a moment ;D
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[9:17] <Stavros_> Any of you guys running freebsd?
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[9:33] <piros_> it
[9:33] <piros_> it's the end of the world!
[9:33] <valesi> that sucks
[9:33] <ShorTie> no whip cream for your pi ??
[9:33] <piros_> only duct tape
[9:33] <piros_> sometimes as good
[9:34] <piros_> so the question of the minute is: is there something I can run on a pi (or anything) that'll monitor a wbesite and notify me if there ins't a change in a specified timeframe?
[9:34] <Armand> Stavros_: Technically, yes.. but not on a rPi
[9:34] <piros_> what would that be?
[9:35] <Armand> I installed pfsense, but I've not even looked at the install yet. :P
[9:35] <piros_> i've got some software updating my website with weather info from my weather station. i'd like to be emailed, texted, etc if for some reason the software freezes/doesn't work
[9:35] <piros_> it's timestamped so if that doesn't change, i'd like to be emailed
[9:37] <BurtyB> should be a simple job for a bash script
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[9:38] <Stavros_> Armand, I want to try it out as a desktop-lite
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[9:39] <Armand> Stavros_: I've no idea on that.. I've never looked at it as a every day OS
[9:42] * mlelstv doesn't use _Free_BSD either.
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[10:01] <Stavros_> nvm, all RPi work is suspended while I binge Daredevil Season2 :D
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[10:06] <tommy``> hi
[10:06] <tommy``> i cant reach my apache server remotely on my raspberry, can i get some help?
[10:07] <t3chguy> tommy``: port forwarding probably
[10:07] <t3chguy> unless you're one of the few people to have a public ipv6 for every one of their networked devices, you'll only have one IP address assigned to your router which has to divvy it up
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[10:07] <tommy``> t3chguy, my rasp have static ip 192.168.1.100, on routher i opened 80 on 192.168.1.100 i've installed no-ip on rasp
[10:08] <t3chguy> 192.168.1.100 is an internal address
[10:08] <t3chguy> it'll only work from inside the same network
[10:08] <tommy``> yes
[10:08] <t3chguy> oh "routher" -> router
[10:08] <tommy``> sorry*
[10:08] <ShorTie> sure port 80 is open by your isp, most have it blocked unless it's a commercial accout
[10:09] <t3chguy> yeah some ISPs block common ports, especially 25 and sometimes 80
[10:09] <t3chguy> try an arbitrary port like 8888
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[10:09] <ShorTie> 8080 is the more common
[10:09] <tommy``> but 80 is opened on router
[10:10] <t3chguy> tommy``: doesn't mean that your ISP let it through
[10:10] <t3chguy> s/let/lets/
[10:10] <tommy``> ah
[10:10] <Ben64> not many isps block 80
[10:10] <t3chguy> Ben64: my ISP instead gave me a router that always served its own dashboard on 80 lol
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[10:11] <t3chguy> #securityGalore
[10:11] <Ben64> thats why you use your own router
[10:11] <t3chguy> yep
[10:11] <tommy``> on no-ip.com i've add my external io address
[10:11] <tommy``> ip*
[10:11] <Ben64> you still need to forward the port
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[10:12] <t3chguy> also, are you testing it from the same network?
[10:12] <t3chguy> somethings don't like NAT Loopback
[10:12] <t3chguy> some things*
[10:13] <tommy``> I tried to ask my friend and can't see the apache server
[10:13] <Ben64> tommy``: http://portforward.com/
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[10:15] <tommy``> 80 opened on 192.168.1.100 i'll try add 443 according http://portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/Linksys/WAG200G/Apache.htm
[10:15] <Armand> 443 is SSL
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[10:17] <t3chguy> commonly yes
[10:17] <t3chguy> nothing to stop http traffic over it
[10:17] <Armand> Indeed, but standards. ;)
[10:17] <t3chguy> it'd be a pain to have to type http:// before the addr though lol
[10:18] <Armand> pfft.... Why not :80 on the end? :P
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[10:22] <tommy``> it's correct assign on no-ip.com the external address or i have to assign internal ip of raspberry 192.168.100?
[10:22] <mgottschlag> external address
[10:22] <tommy``> ok
[10:22] <tommy``> i made it right
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[10:23] <t3chguy> tommy``: get your friend to try with your external ip instead of the no-ip dns
[10:23] <t3chguy> that way you can rule out it being a no-ip issue
[10:26] <ShorTie> can you ping the no-ip name ??
[10:26] <tommy``> yes
[10:27] <ShorTie> so the dns has been push thru the world
[10:28] <tommy``> shortie read pm
[10:28] <mgottschlag> my ISP blocks some types of loopback traffic where I try to access my external IP
[10:28] <mgottschlag> you might have a similar problem
[10:28] <Ben64> forget no-ip, get the port forwarding working properly first
[10:28] <Armand> ^
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[10:29] <Ben64> if its the ip you're connecting from here on irc, it's showing up as "filtered"
[10:30] <tommy``> I think portforw is ok
[10:30] <Ben64> it's not though
[10:31] <ShorTie> ping: unknown host http://larf.....
[10:31] <tommy``> from my pc works..
[10:32] <Ben64> of course it does
[10:32] <tommy``> without http works
[10:32] <Ben64> it doesn't go through the internet from your pc
[10:33] <tommy``> mmh
[10:33] <tommy``> if i write http://192.168.1.100/ on browser i can see the apache2 default page
[10:34] <Ben64> ok, and?
[10:34] <t3chguy> Exactly. That doesn't involve port forwarding
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[10:34] <t3chguy> That's internal network communication
[10:34] <Armand> Ohh lawd...
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[10:39] <tommy``> reading this: https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/remote-access/web-server/apache.md
[10:40] <tommy``> I'm*
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[10:42] <Ben64> well you already have apache working, you just need to forward the port
[10:43] <CRM114> essentially, installing apache on pi is no different than installing it anywhere else on debian
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[10:46] <tommy``> ahahah, now with my no-ip on browser i can access to router :D
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[10:47] <tommy``> oh shit i write 110 on router instead 100
[10:47] <tommy``> :D
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[10:50] <tommy``> oh shit!!!!!!
[10:50] <tommy``> i think it's working
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[10:51] <Ben64> nmap shows 80 as open now
[10:51] <Ben64> there you go
[10:51] <tommy``> Ben64 check pm
[10:51] <tommy``> work
[10:52] <Ben64> i already knew your ip lol
[10:53] <tommy``> so tell me is all correct, on router opened 80 and 443 to rasp ip (192.168.1.100), and no-ip assigned my external address (not 192.168.1.100)
[10:54] <ShorTie> 192.168.... is not a valid ip address beyound your router
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[10:56] <tommy``> why?
[10:56] <tommy``> if you click there http://larfleeze.bounceme.net/ you can see it working?
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[10:57] <ShorTie> it is for intranets, not the internet
[10:57] <ShorTie> there are a couple of them
[10:58] <tommy``> couple of what?
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[10:59] <ShorTie> ip addresses reserved for intranet use only
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[10:59] <Armand> *IP ranges. ;)
[11:00] <Ben64> btw, port 80 is open, but 443 is closed
[11:00] <tommy``> but I ask for friend and he tells me that can read the hello page
[11:00] <Ben64> so you're not serving up any https
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[11:00] <tommy``> i open 443 TCP on .100
[11:01] <Ben64> yep, but apache isn't set up to listen on it
[11:01] <tommy``> ah
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[11:29] <Mia> Hey all
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[11:30] <Mia> How can I connect one of thse to my pi3 ?
[11:30] <Mia> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/NEW-7Inch-TFT-AT070TN90-LCD-Screen-AT070TN90-V-1-800-480-Resolution-Rhickness-3mm-For-Car/32611566544.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.47.ltiFUr&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_1,searchweb201602_5_301_10034_507_10020_10001_10002_10017_10010_10005_10011_10006_10021_10003_10004_10022_10009_10008_10018_10019,searchweb201603_1&btsid=534f9e14-9ed2-4818-9407-07014b2df4d3
[11:32] <shiftplusone> maybe through DPI, but it won't be easy
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[11:33] <Mia> hmm
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[11:34] <shiftplusone> You're in luck
[11:34] <shiftplusone> https://www.adafruit.com/products/1934
[11:35] <shiftplusone> that seems to be have a similar controller
[11:35] <Mia> yeah Isaw the controller
[11:35] <Mia> I mean --- the converter
[11:35] <Mia> so do all those screens use a different format of output
[11:35] <shiftplusone> Oh, nvrm.... they're just converting it to hdmi
[11:35] <Mia> I was thinking to get a hdmi ttl converter and plug in random screens to that
[11:36] <Mia> yeah it uses a controller and a converter
[11:36] <Mia> I thought that was the pi, for a sec, but then I ralize what's being displayed is actuaky the converter
[11:36] <Mia> which is quite big
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[11:36] <Mia> I like compact things O_O
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[11:38] <shiftplusone> I thought it was something like this https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-dpi-display-kippah-ttl-tft/overview
[11:38] <Mia> oh yeah I saw this as well
[11:38] <Mia> so kippah sems to be the only solution that uses gpios to transfer that
[11:38] <Mia> but it needs setting up, I asked around
[11:38] <Mia> it's not plug and play
[11:38] <shiftplusone> Yeah, I'd expect it to be a bit of a pain
[11:39] <shiftplusone> what about the official DSI display?
[11:39] <Mia> so hdmi is a better option for me --- in this case, I was wondering how I can use the raw screens, and connect them to hdmi somehow, in a compact manner
[11:39] <shiftplusone> (but yes, every screen is different, you can't get a generic converter that you can hook up most screens to)
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[11:39] <Mia> Hm that's good to know.
[11:39] <Mia> I didn2t know that
[11:39] <Mia> I would expect all screens to be the same
[11:40] <Mia> I mean the ttl part -- or whatever it's called
[11:40] <Mia> the yellow input of the screen
[11:40] <Mia> so they differ from screen to screen ?
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[11:41] <Mia> shiftplusone, I found stuff like these http://www.aliexpress.com/item/30fps-5-inch-LCD-HDMI-Touch-Screen-Display-TFT-LCD-Panel-Module-Shield-840-480-for/32314250806.html they're much cheaper than adafruits stuff that does kind of the same thing
[11:41] <shiftplusone> Not sure what you mean
[11:41] <Mia> this one is quite compact too
[11:41] <shiftplusone> interesting
[11:42] <Mia> power&touch is transmitted from the same usb port
[11:42] <Mia> so I can use this with any device not just rpi3
[11:42] <Mia> which makes tis a good dealfo me
[11:42] <Mia> for* me
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[11:42] <Mia> Wow I can't type today, as well.
[11:42] <shiftplusone> it was close enough to be understandable >.>
[11:42] <Mia> :D
[11:43] <Mia> okay I mean this section on the device http://i.imgur.com/tyiZ5GW.png
[11:43] <Mia> not sure what exactly is the technical term for that yellow part
[11:43] <shiftplusone> ah
[11:43] <Mia> "screen input" or ttl input ?
[11:43] <Mia> idk
[11:43] <shiftplusone> it's all different depending on the screen
[11:44] <shiftplusone> ttl doesn't make much sense in this context
[11:44] <Mia> I mean for instance this one is quite compact, besides the screen itself, and I was thinking maybe I could find them seperately as well
[11:44] <Mia> the hdmi converter (that you can plug in the yellow thingy from other screens)
[11:44] <Mia> and a seperate screen
[11:44] <Mia> tft I mean
[11:44] <Mia> not ttl
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[12:11] <genmort> Someone with experience with smokeping? I'm having weird accuracy in my graphs
[12:13] <mgottschlag> that's a common problem, I also always find it weird when my graphs are accurate
[12:15] <genmort> mgottschlag: when i open the detail graphs, i see one like this: http://puu.sh/nKQZM/1218609e34.png
[12:16] <genmort> but when i click it to open the navigator graph, it looks like this http://puu.sh/nKR0c/193f1c3051.png
[12:16] <mgottschlag> sorry, I don't even know what that is, I was just being stupid :)
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[12:21] <ShorTie> what is so goofy about the graphs ??
[12:21] <genmort> the first one displays the same data more accurately
[12:22] <genmort> and the second one combines the pings into one line, so that its less accurate
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[12:24] <ShorTie> just looks to me they are using different time intervals for ploting, 1st more often
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[12:25] <genmort> yea it looks like that
[12:26] <genmort> still i have only one probe set up in smokeping config, with a 10 second interval
[12:28] <ShorTie> almost sounds like your trying to ddos yourself .. :/~
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[12:30] <genmort> the ping is to a google server
[12:31] <genmort> my connection isn't very stable so i try to see how bad it actually is
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[12:31] <genmort> here is a pingplotter example http://puu.sh/lwuXJ/9a18aa4141.png
[12:32] <genmort> you can probably imagine how annoying that is when in voip call or gaming :(
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[12:33] <ShorTie> actually, not much you can do about it, it's all on your isp's end
[12:35] <genmort> seems like it
[12:36] <genmort> i'm not very good with these things
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[12:41] <ShorTie> set it up to ping your router
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[12:45] <genmort> i have it already actually
[12:47] <genmort> it shows pretty stable 0.5ms ping http://puu.sh/nKS8X/e07e0d5c9c.png
[12:51] <genmort> but i will see how it looks like when i get the instability again
[12:51] <genmort> it has been very good for the two days i have run smokeping
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[13:39] <shiftplusone> Gadgetoid: ping
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[13:49] <[Saint]> Quick survey:
[13:49] <[Saint]> "On my server(s) I use:"
[13:49] <[Saint]> A - FDE (Full Disk Encryption) and Encrypted $HOME
[13:49] <[Saint]> B - FDE alone
[13:49] <[Saint]> C - Encrypted $HOME alone
[13:49] <[Saint]> D - None of the above
[13:50] <Dex-Freudii> You use D
[13:50] <Dex-Freudii> ;)
[13:51] <[Saint]> I assure you I do not. ;)
[13:52] <Dex-Freudii> you are a saint
[13:52] <Armand> I doubt that. ;)
[13:53] <[Saint]> ^ this guy knows what's up.
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[13:56] <Dex-Freudii> so what is the point of you questions and what is the answer?
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[13:58] <rymate1234> I think it's a survey
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[14:01] <Dex-Freudii> ah
[14:02] <Dex-Freudii> but why?
[14:02] <BurtyB> D*67 for me
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[14:04] <niston> [Saint]
[14:05] <niston> I dont have a server :(
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[14:07] <gordonDrogon> afternoon.
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[14:07] <BurtyB> noon
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[14:10] <Dex-Freudii> good afternoon gordonDrogon
[14:10] <Dex-Freudii> gordonDrogon, why is it afternoon for you?
[14:12] <ozzzy> I'd guess due to the fact that the sun is past the meridian?
[14:12] <Dex-Freudii> ozzzy, that's a smart answer
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[14:19] <swift110-phone> Hm
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[14:27] <gordonDrogon> it's aftermorning.
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[14:28] <gordonDrogon> Good time of day to you :)
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[14:37] * [Saint] has discovered a method to reliably improve every cake and muffin recipe he has tried it with to date, and it is ridiculously simple
[14:37] <[Saint]> Just substitute 1/3 of the total liquid volume called for in the recipe with canola oil
[14:37] <[Saint]> Boom. Done. Fluffy, moist cake/muffins every time.
[14:38] <berg> [Saint]: kitchen
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[14:39] <[Saint]> Like, if the recipe calls for 3/4 of a cup of milk, make it 1/2 cup of milk and 1/4 of a cup of canola oil.
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[14:39] <[Saint]> Makes 'em awesome.
[14:40] <berg> im making a image of my sd card when i boot up the jessie os i use the raspi-config to expand it how can i make it as small as possible when i generate a image?
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[14:41] <shiftplusone> run resize2fs -M on the root partition, determine the new last sector, modify the partition table accordingly, dd only up to the last sector.
[14:41] <berg> I make scones with cream i never use milk i use cream
[14:42] <swift110-phone> Does the Bluetooth on the pi 3 work well?
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[14:42] <berg> hmm
[14:42] <shiftplusone> swift110-phone: I don't know how well is well, but I've been able to get it to pair to everything I've tried. Can send files to my phone, use a bluetooth mouse and listen to audio through my bluetooth headphones (after a bit of setup).
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[14:43] <berg> scarey i dont ewona mess up my sdcard will it need expanding when put back to work?
[14:43] <ShanShen> Hi, knowledgeable people! :) What is the simplest way to ask the rpi camera to take a photo at regular intervals?
[14:43] <shiftplusone> But I have also had some error messages from blueman, so I don't use it anymore.
[14:43] <shiftplusone> ShanShen: I believe raspistill has that functionality.
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[14:43] <swift110-phone> Thats cool shiftplusone i am hoping to get one today
[14:44] <JK-47> raspistill + cron.
[14:44] <swift110-phone> Shiftplusone which Bluetooth program do u use
[14:44] <JK-47> ShanShen: https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/usage/camera/raspicam/raspistill.md
[14:44] <shiftplusone> I think raspistill actually has timelapse functionality built in, but I'd probably use cron as well.
[14:44] <shiftplusone> swift110-phone: bluetoothctl
[14:44] <shiftplusone> to pair with devices
[14:45] <swift110-phone> Awesome thanks
[14:45] <shiftplusone> in the case of something like a mouse, it just works. What do you intend to use it with?
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[14:48] <swift110-phone> Transferring files from phone etc
[14:48] <swift110-phone> I would love to use wireless mouse and keyboard with it
[14:49] <swift110-phone> Which adapter do you use for power?
[14:49] <berg> stinky new sd card is 2mb smaller then the same size card image i made
[14:49] <swift110-phone> I will be going to microcenter today and I wanna make sure I get everything I need at one time
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[14:53] <shiftplusone> transfering files without using blueman will be difficult
[14:53] <shiftplusone> for power, I use the official 2.5A supply
[14:54] <gordonDrogon> shiftplusone, did the official PSUs change? the ones I have (even the one I purchased last week) are marked 2A ...
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[14:55] <shiftplusone> gordonDrogon: yeah, there are new ones for the pi 3.
[14:56] <shiftplusone> Old ones will work fine in most cases, but the new ones dial things up to 11.
[14:56] <gordonDrogon> hmph. I ordered this with a Pi3 too...
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[14:58] <shiftplusone> Not sure what's going on there
[14:58] <shiftplusone> https://shop.pimoroni.com/collections/raspberry-pi-3-accessories/products/raspberry-pi-universal-power-supply
[14:58] <shiftplusone> Seems like pimoroni at least sells the 2.5A, but it's black. Strange, mine only looks slightly different to the old one.
[14:58] <mlelstv> .oO( does a universal power supply power the whole universe? )
[14:59] <shiftplusone> No, it just uses the universe as its source.
[14:59] <gordonDrogon> it was pimoroni I got the Pi3 bundle from - white 2A PSU.. Ho hum. no big deal for what I'm using it for though.
[14:59] <mlelstv> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0389860/
[15:00] * shiftplusone sees Adam Sandler and closes the window as fast as possible D=
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[15:01] <ali1234> gordonDrogon: pimoroni didn't have the new adapters in stock on release day
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[15:01] <ali1234> so they sold kits with the old power supplies instead
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[15:05] <DWKnight> 2.0A is plenty if you're not running a lot of devices off the pi itself
[15:05] <DWKnight> luckily
[15:06] <gordonDrogon> I actually powered 4 other Pi's off the Pi3 when I was... er... testing it ...
[15:06] <gordonDrogon> it took a Pi1 with a piglow board to finally crowbar the usb power - pi3 didn't reboot.
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[15:07] <mlelstv> and now repeat while the pi3 runs cpuburn :)
[15:07] <ali1234> it won't reboots
[15:07] <ali1234> it will just under-clock
[15:08] <mlelstv> is the under-clock completely handled by firmware?
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[15:08] <ali1234> people assume that if it doesn't immediately crash then nothing bad is happening
[15:08] <ali1234> but this is far from the truth
[15:09] <ShanShen> JK-47, Thank you!
[15:09] <ali1234> i can't even measure peak power usage of my Pi 3 because in order to use my in line power meter I have to use my 1A power supply, and when i do that the 3 underclocks due to undervoltage
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[15:12] <BurtyB> ali1234, I have an adapter to convert microusb so I can use it with a normal usb power monitor :)
[15:12] <ali1234> yeah but if i use the official power supply i would need two of those adapters
[15:13] <ali1234> and i don't have them
[15:13] <ali1234> i guess i would just need an adapter and a normal micro usb cable
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[15:15] <BurtyB> yeah, I just use a short cable
[15:17] <ShanShen> shiftplusone, thanks. 2 great solutions.
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[15:27] <swift110> hey
[15:27] <swift110> Is there another universal adapter I could use with the pi 3?
[15:29] <Roonix> universal adapter? For the micro usb power?
[15:29] <swift110> yes
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[15:30] <Roonix> yeah there are loads of them, any micro usb i.e phone chargers etc will work, however a lot of them are cheap and not quite powerful enough so you may get the colored square in the top corner of the screen
[15:30] <swift110> I dont wanna need to order something online
[15:31] <swift110> ok can you recommend a good brand then?
[15:31] <Roonix> if you have a spare lying around use that, or yeah you should be able to get one locally from any place that sells that kinda stuff
[15:31] <swift110> ok
[15:31] <Mia> what do you think abotu ubuntu on raspberrypi ?
[15:31] <swift110> I have several usb cables and none of them gives me the power I need
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[15:32] <swift110> even when I used them with a 12w USB adapter
[15:32] <Syliss> sucky
[15:33] <Roonix> 5 Volts 2 Amps is I believe the requirement
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[15:34] <swift110> All I have been doing so far is plugging in a mouse and keyboard and am unable to use them at the same time and thats ridiculous
[15:34] <Roonix> I have a couple of plugs and also just a usb micro to usb that plugs into a computer, they all work but some give me the colored square
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[15:38] <swift110> Does anyone here use Ubuntu mate on their pi?
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[15:54] <hypermist> well GG TO me i just cutmy finger open on a case
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[15:57] <swift110> allied electronics vs. element14 does it matter which brand of pi 3 I buy?
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[15:58] <brianx> i use fedora mate on my 2b.
[15:59] <DWKnight> swift110: don't think it does
[15:59] <swift110> ok it makes things confusing when there are multiple venders
[16:00] <brianx> probably differs in shipping swift110.
[16:01] <swift110> brianx: In my case I am going to microcenter and I saw the two brands one is sold out already
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[16:01] <brianx> ahh. checking my microcenter!
[16:01] <swift110> So I was wondering if there was a difference between what each company offered you know like with gpu's
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[16:03] <leftyfb> there is zero difference
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[16:04] <brianx> thanks swift110! no zeros, but 3s are in.
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[16:05] <swift110> lol thanls leftyfb
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[16:10] <Tenkawa> is there an officially compiled 4.5 kernel for the pi yet
[16:10] <Tenkawa> ?
[16:10] <Tenkawa> "officially"
[16:11] <Tenkawa> oh.. and it needs to be able to run on the zero
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[16:12] <leftyfb> Tenkawa: by "officially" you mean included in the raspbian distro, the answer is no
[16:13] <Tenkawa> didnt think so.. thanks for confirming
[16:14] <leftyfb> Tenkawa: out of curiosity, why do you need 4.5?
[16:15] <Tenkawa> no "need" just want heheh
[16:16] <leftyfb> why?
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[16:17] <Tenkawa> who says there "needs" to be a reason.. I build stuff for curiosity and the fun all the time.. ask the hcannel
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[16:17] <Tenkawa> er channel
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[16:20] <mfa298> TheLostAdmin: I found some stuff about nfs clients on systemd, apparently idmapd functionality moved to the kernel for clients so uses something else, but there's a missing dependancy
[16:21] <mfa298> TheLostAdmin: this is what I found https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nfs-utils/+bug/1428961 summary you need to install the keyutils package
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[16:21] <TheLostAdmin> Thanks mfa298.
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[16:27] <niston> weird. google chrome says ERROR_NX_DOMAIN when in fact it's just the protocol is wrong (https instead of http).
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[16:31] <jmadero> hi all - I'm finally firing up my model 1 B+ and want to make sure that this card will work okay: http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Class-Adapter-MB-MP32DA-AM/dp/B00IVPU786/ref=sr_1_2?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1458314794&sr=1-2&keywords=micro+sd+card
[16:31] <jmadero> it's a mini SDHC card
[16:32] <SpeedEvil> micro
[16:32] <SpeedEvil> mini was a different size
[16:32] <jmadero> yeah sorry :)
[16:32] <jmadero> that's what I meant
[16:32] <jmadero> but SDHC works fine?
[16:32] <SpeedEvil> and yes
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[16:33] <SpeedEvil> It's required for >4G
[16:33] <jmadero> awesome, thanks - adding a second pi for openHAB + ambient lighting for my tv
[16:33] <jmadero> I'll grab the 16 gig one
[16:33] <leftyfb> jmadero: I just got that working this week
[16:33] <jmadero> leftyfb: ambient lighting?
[16:33] <leftyfb> jmadero: pi running openhab + huzzah connect to neopixels
[16:34] <jmadero> my plan is to just follow this guide http://lifehacker.com/build-your-own-ambient-lighting-system-with-a-raspberry-1577457223
[16:34] <jmadero> already have another Pi running my media center and acting as a backup server
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[16:34] <jmadero> sorry this guide: https://christianmoser.me/how-to-build-your-own-tv-ambilight-with-raspberry-pi-and-xbmc/
[16:35] <jmadero> I've never soldered so .... should be interesting :-b
[16:35] <hypermist> so the pi0 can power a usb hub but its functionality is 0
[16:35] <hypermist> xD
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[16:38] <zwelch> anyone using a pi2 as a NAT router? i am having trouble where packet latency grows with the network load, up to a couple of seconds (making the connection nearly useless for interactivity). Is this kind of issue known?
[16:39] <shantorn> zwelch, it really depends on the overall load but i have read many such problems with small miid size networks pushing them
[16:40] <GeekOfflineNL> I'm using a PI2 as a Wifi router (2 Wifi adapters) on holidays. No latency, while the kids are streaming youtube from 2 tablets :-)
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[16:40] <GeekOfflineNL> Only drawback is the poor connection on campsites during peak hours after dinner.
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[16:41] <hypermist> my usb hub is powered but if i plug in say a usb wireless keyboard/mouse thing it doesnt work
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[16:42] <leftyfb> hyarion: because it's too much power
[16:42] <leftyfb> GeekOfflineNL: do you have some sort of gui to tell the pi which wifi to connect to?
[16:42] <hypermist> was the hyarion for me leftyfb or ?
[16:42] <leftyfb> hypermist: yeah, sorry
[16:43] <hypermist> haha ;)
[16:43] <hypermist> its not to much power
[16:43] <hypermist> because its the lowest power level thing
[16:43] <hypermist> and the usb hub im using is powered
[16:43] <GeekOfflineNL> leftyfb, yes using normal raspbian image and the network settings option
[16:43] <hypermist> via a power brick
[16:43] <leftyfb> GeekOfflineNL: oh, the desktop GUI. so you need a monitor
[16:43] <zwelch> GeekOfflineNL: that's a good data point. a single stream is enough to create massive latency for me here, so this probably narrows it down to a problem with my ethernet devices/drivers.
[16:43] <GeekOfflineNL> leftyfb, and use chromium browser to fill campsites proxy passwords
[16:44] <hypermist> which is why im confused leftyfb as to why it doesnt work
[16:44] <GeekOfflineNL> leftyfb, yes, i also have a TV with DMI available
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[16:46] <GeekOfflineNL> zwelch wasn't there some discussion on raspberry pi forums about PI2 using same databus as USB. And that was cause of slow datatransfer?
[16:46] <GeekOfflineNL> i mean, USB using same databus as ethernet
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[16:46] <leftyfb> GeekOfflineNL: ethernet uses the usb bus
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[16:48] <GeekOfflineNL> leftyfb, is that still the case on Pi3?
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[16:48] <leftyfb> GeekOfflineNL: yes
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[16:50] <hypermist> hmm...
[16:51] <hypermist> *unplugs keyboard from this pc and goes back to pi0 hdmi xD
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[16:53] <zwelch> GeekOfflineNL: even so, two 100mbit adapters should be able to share a single bus with room to spare, yah?
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[16:53] <Tenkawa> here goes a LONG compile
[16:54] <niston> zwelch: the main problem with that is such: USB 2.0 is half duplex only
[16:54] <zwelch> GeekOfflineNL: i mean, usb can do 480mbit. i only need 200mbit of that. :)
[16:54] <DWKnight> 480mbit half duplex though
[16:54] <DWKnight> effective top speed of 240mbit full duplex under ideal conditions
[16:55] <zwelch> well, even so.... i am seeing problems at 1-2mbit speeds
[16:55] <traeak> usb requires a bit of cpu to process
[16:55] <TheLostAdmin> You do need to take into account the overhead of USB. Although the line protocols for USB don't add a lot of data, they are pretty CPU intensive compared to most other devices.
[16:55] <zwelch> i'm not buying it
[16:56] <zwelch> i've used hardware that was much less powerful to do this same job.
[16:56] <niston> "Due to bus access constraints, the effective throughput of the High Speed signaling rate is limited to 280 Mbit/s or 35 MB/s."
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[16:56] <niston> so you might get away with it.
[16:56] <sasha> Is there a way to dd an image over a network?
[16:57] <swift110> lol
[16:57] <sasha> I'd like to reimage my Pi but I don't have a microsd/sd adapter
[16:57] <leftyfb> sasha: since the pi cannot boot to the network and has no BMC, no
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[16:58] <sasha> but what if the os was uploaded into the ram?
[16:58] <TheLostAdmin> sasha, although you can dd an image over a network, you can't write it to the SD card that the raspberry pi is currently booted with and you can't boot a raspberry pi without an sd card.
[16:58] <leftyfb> sasha: from what device?
[16:58] <leftyfb> that's what I was getting at ... trying to make him figure it out on his own :)
[16:59] <sasha> the pi puts its OS into the ram, then I connect to it over the network from my laptop and overwrite the sd directly
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[16:59] <sasha> I have nothing to do for the next 6 hours before I can get an adapter, so I figured I might try
[16:59] <leftyfb> sasha: the OS is put into ram ... where did the pi load the OS from?
[16:59] <Tenkawa> compiling this kernel with a single pi zero will take a little while haahaa
[16:59] <sasha> leftyfb: from the OS that is already on the card
[16:59] <DWKnight> Tenkawa: gee, ya think?
[17:00] <leftyfb> sasha: right, that card is in use. You cannot overwrite it
[17:00] <Tenkawa> heehee
[17:00] <sasha> ah yes I forgot to mention that there is already an os installed, but I'd like to reinstall it
[17:00] <Tenkawa> trimmed down a lot too
[17:00] <jasatso1301> yo
[17:00] <TheLostAdmin> Tenkawa, you can't compile it on your Pi 3 and move it to the Pi Zero? That might be a tiny bit faster.
[17:00] <sasha> leftyfb: well can't I load the os into ram, unload the card and then write to it?
[17:00] <jasatso1301> typing this from my windows rig
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[17:00] <leftyfb> Tenkawa: why not cross compile?
[17:01] <GeekOfflineNL> sasha, so your current image is that f**up you need to reinstall it ?
[17:01] <sasha> yep :)
[17:01] <GeekOfflineNL> nice job :-P
[17:01] <TheLostAdmin> but it's still running. That is pretty impressive.
[17:01] <leftyfb> sasha: you cannot overwrite the card that the pi was booted from while it's booted. The partitions are mounted and devices in use
[17:01] <sasha> lets just say that I went a bit overboard trying to setup AP mode on a wifi stick that doesn't support it GeekOfflineNL :p
[17:02] <GeekOfflineNL> :-)
[17:02] <sasha> but can't I unmount it?
[17:02] <leftyfb> sasha: no, because it is in use
[17:02] <sasha> but if the entire system is in the ramdisk and running off of it?
[17:02] <TheLostAdmin> I believe there is a way to remount / from a different device, but I'm not sure how.
[17:03] <leftyfb> TheLostAdmin: he will not be able to unmount the original / since his running shell is on it as well as device drivers (/sys, /dev/, /proc)
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[17:04] <sasha> but can't I start a new shell?
[17:04] <TheLostAdmin> sys, dev, and proc can be remounted.
[17:04] <TheLostAdmin> As long as the ssh server is still running, sasha could log out and log back in with a shell from the ramdisk.
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[17:05] <sasha> challenge accepted
[17:05] <leftyfb> where does the ramdisk live?
[17:05] <sasha> in the ram
[17:05] <leftyfb> incorrect
[17:05] <BurtyB> there is no disk...
[17:05] <jasatso1301> on the hard disk?
[17:05] <leftyfb> you are unmounting the disk
[17:05] <leftyfb> you cannot completely remove the running OS from the disk it was booted from while it's running. Not on the pi anyway
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[17:07] <sasha> you're leftyfb as in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/leftyfb, right?
[17:07] <leftyfb> sasha: yes, why?
[17:07] <sasha> you seem to know what you're doing :)
[17:07] <GeekOfflineNL> if you guys discuss this a little bit longer those 6 hours wait for sasha are over. And he can get hold of a SD card adapter :-)
[17:07] <TheLostAdmin> leftyfb, I grant I haven't done it, but there are instructions for moving root onto a usb attached disk and I know you don't actually need the /boot filesystem mounted once the OS is running.
[17:08] <sasha> so I'll trust your judgement on this leftyfb - but what if I run the system of a usb stick?
[17:08] <TheLostAdmin> you can't actually boot from a usb stick. You must boot from the sd card.
[17:08] <GeekOfflineNL> well i'm off... taking care of some food. bye
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[17:09] <leftyfb> TheLostAdmin: yes, you are right. I have done this. I had a 16MB SD card on an original pi with nothing but the /boot on it and move all of / onto a USB. But in his case, he has no sd card reader to edit /boot to point to the usb.
[17:09] <hypermist> do i have any 5v power supplies
[17:09] <hypermist> my pi0 is running of a 2.0A psu
[17:09] <hypermist> Because i didn't have anything higher
[17:09] <hypermist> xD
[17:09] <leftyfb> TheLostAdmin: even the, I don't think you'll be able to unmount /boot ... maybe but I doubt it
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[17:09] <sasha> leftyfb: can't I just write to it over ssh with vi?
[17:09] * Tenkawa moves this compile to a faster compile box
[17:09] <Tenkawa> heheheh
[17:10] <TheLostAdmin> leftyfb, he said he had access to the Pi still. That means he should be able to edit config.txt and whatever else is needed to move the root filesystem to a USB stick.
[17:11] <TheLostAdmin> More importantly, sasha, if the only problem is a royally messed up Wifi config, why not just put the default config files back?
[17:11] <jasatso1301> Even more importantly, how do we know HE's a HE
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[17:11] <Tenkawa> has anyone had any success building something like a completely busybox in ram only fs for the pi
[17:11] <leftyfb> sasha: now that I think about this. Boot it up, plug in a usb drive, format it, rsync over / to the usb, edit your /boot config to point to the usb instead of the sd card. Reboot, if your / is mounted from the usb, see if you can unmount /boot, and then dd the pi image over the network to the sd card
[17:11] <Tenkawa> ?
[17:12] <niston> https://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/3t6k0k/unmounting_sd_card_after_boot_how_and_will_this/
[17:13] <leftyfb> sasha: if you're running a POSIX desktop, you should be able to put / from the pi .img file onto the usb as well instead of going through the pi for it. But you'll still need to edit your /boot configs to point to the usb with the running pi OS
[17:13] <gordonDrogon> Tenkawa, http://www.alpinelinux.org/downloads/
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[17:14] <Tenkawa> gordonDrogon: thanks
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[17:14] <leftyfb> sasha: the problem will be, if this fails, then you have nothing to boot going forward
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[17:16] <TheLostAdmin> I ran a quick test. Once the Pi is booted, you can unmount and remount /boot without any apparent issues.
[17:16] <leftyfb> ok, then I guess his should all work
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[17:16] <sasha> :D
[17:16] <leftyfb> forgot about moving / to usb .. even though I did it a while back
[17:17] <leftyfb> sasha: I apologize for making false assumptions
[17:17] <sasha> no worries! it was very constructive!
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[17:18] <leftyfb> I should keep a couple sd cards and usb with roofs's on them to recover pi's when without an sd card reader going forward
[17:19] <TheLostAdmin> I was thinking the exact same thing.
[17:19] <leftyfb> sasha: good luck, keep us updated through the process
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[17:19] <sasha> I will! looking for a usb stick now..
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[17:20] <devster31> so what's an alternative web-ui for transmission? the default one kind of sucks
[17:21] <devster31> or maybe just use rtorrent-deluge? do they even run on the pi3?
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[17:22] <fluffet> i've been using rtorrent with rutorrent web ui
[17:22] <fluffet> but i'm going to start using qbittorrent because you don't have to configure shit :P
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[17:22] <fluffet> it runs on rpi2
[17:22] <fluffet> so should run on rpi3
[17:23] <sasha> leftyfb: to clarify: the pi will 'initialize' from the sd card, then will boot on the usb?
[17:23] <devster31> isn't qbittorrent for windows?
[17:23] <fluffet> it's for linux too :)
[17:23] <fluffet> i would keep using rutorrent if i could, i broke something when i installed pi-hole
[17:23] <fluffet> and i suck at apache
[17:24] <fluffet> so i can't fix it :'(
[17:24] <devster31> try caddy or nginx
[17:24] <leftyfb> sasha: yes
[17:25] <sasha> and then I can unmount the sd and it will continue running?
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[17:26] <leftyfb> sasha: one slow step at a time....
[17:27] <leftyfb> sasha: get a rootfs onto the usb
[17:27] <leftyfb> sasha: if you're running a linux or mac desktop, I would recommend copying one from the pi image file you download after loop mounting the image on your desktop
[17:27] <fluffet> devster31: it's even more problematic to configure rutorrent with nginx D:
[17:27] <leftyfb> sasha: or hell, you could just dd the image to the usb, that'll work too
[17:28] <sasha> leftyfb: would it work with minibian too? (raspbian stripped to the minimums)
[17:28] <leftyfb> sasha: after that, boot the pi, plug in the usb, edit the /boot config to point to the root partition on the usb
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[17:28] <leftyfb> sasha: yes
[17:28] <leftyfb> sasha: then, boot the pi and make sure / lives on the usb
[17:29] <leftyfb> sasha: once that's done, unmount /boot on the sd and try to dd the image to the sd
[17:29] <sir_galahad_ad> o/
[17:29] <devster31> are you sure? I found it easy, but if that's a problem caddy is even simpler
[17:29] <leftyfb> sasha: these days I use bmap to image... goes way quicker
[17:29] <leftyfb> bbiab
[17:29] <sasha> bmap? never heard of it.. work on mac?
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[17:32] <Armand> "Mac" ? Never heard of it. :P
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[17:34] <ewy99> I have a question I hope someone can help me on, I am running out of space on my usb drive with retropie, I want to add a second usb drive. How would I go about setting up a console rom directory that points to the new usb drive?
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[17:36] <spike> other people probably know better but maybe a symlink?
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[17:36] <ewy99> that's what I have been reading up on, just haven't got it right yet
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[17:37] <gordonDrogon> you simply mount the new drive where you want it.
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[17:38] <gordonDrogon> so mount it somewhere temporary, copy the data into it, rename & re-create the target, then unmount and re-mount the 2nd drive ...
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[17:38] <ewy99> thanks, gordonDrogon, I will give that a try
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[17:51] <TheLostAdmin> I wonder what effect Broadcom's reducing it's Wifi chip business will have on the Pi 3? http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20160318PD200.html
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[17:55] <sasha> TheLostAdmin leftyfb: /dev/sda2 on / type ext4 (rw,noatime,nodiratime,errors=remount-ro,commit=120,data=ordered)
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[17:56] <TheLostAdmin> Congratulations sasha. Can you unmount /boot once it's running? Making sure none of the mounted filesystems are mmcblk0 type?
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[17:56] <sasha> do I just umount /boot ?
[17:57] <TheLostAdmin> yes
[17:57] <sasha> looks right? https://dpaste.de/MCG4
[17:57] <TheLostAdmin> then probably run a few tests to make sure the tools you need are working properly. Especially networking. SSH in again and the like.
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[17:58] <sasha> apt-get is working
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[17:59] <TheLostAdmin> You're using the symbolic /dev/root instead of the actual device (that's normal) but you need to be sure /dev/root is actually on the sda and not mmcblk
[18:00] <Angs> I need to execute this "sysctl -w net.ipv6.conf.eth0.accept_ra_rt_info_max_plen=64" but my RPI doesn't have accept_ra_rt_info_max_plen . what file is the substitute for it on http://paste.debian.net/416661/
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[18:03] <piros_> Whoops! I fell asleep in here. Never saw the answer to a questions I had. Is there some software I can run on a pi that'll notify me if a webpage hasn't been changed in x minutes? I'm running a weather station site, and sometimes the software on it will hang up. I'd like to find a pi (or any) solution that if the page hasn't updated in say 15 minutes, that I could be emailed. The page itself has time stamps, and the page only updat
[18:05] <ali1234> nagios
[18:05] <pksato> weather station? a dedicated device?
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[18:06] <pksato> if content of page is not changed, or if not accessibly?
[18:06] <Tenkawa> I've thought about building a weather sensor box with a pi for my yard
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[18:06] <Tenkawa> lot of sensors avail at microcenter :)
[18:07] <mist_> hey guys i'm trying to use my rpi1 to control a dc motor and when i use the python commands to turn it on and off it works great. but as soon as i quit the program my motor starts spinning
[18:07] <piros_> the device is a Ambient Weather WS1400IP; but that only uploads to weather underground. I have another Pi that has something called WeeWx that monitors the traffic that the thing uploads to wunderground, and captures it all and makes it available to upload to my website as well as other websites
[18:07] <piros_> Only if it doesn't change; it uploads to my hosted website, so it should always be up
[18:08] <mist_> http://pastebin.com/434usi1v
[18:08] <mist_> this is the code i'm using
[18:08] <piros_> but if the software hangs up, which it does if my network goes down even for a few seconds, it won't update the external website (via ftp) until I restart it
[18:08] <pksato> piros_: and this page have some kind of identification of last change? date/time
[18:08] <piros_> yes, top of the page. wx.4-7.us
[18:09] <leftyfb> piros_: a script would be real easy for that
[18:10] <piros_> and it's not always necessarily the pi software that is the issue; that weather station has a unit that plugs into my router; it's flawed in that it's supposed to reboot if it has no internet access for 20 minutes, but does not do so
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[18:10] <piros_> have you seen anything pre-written that would do it?
[18:10] <leftyfb> piros_: wget the page to a file, sleep, wget page again, diff the files, if they're the same, restart the service. Put this script in cron
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[18:11] <leftyfb> piros_: the script could be written in 5 minutes
[18:12] <leftyfb> it'd be about 10 lines in it's simplest form
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[18:12] <piros_> I'm looking into it now; I'm still relatively new to Raspberry Pi's and linux in general so it may be a minute. Glad I did get into them though, about a month after I really tried playing with one, I had a guy with computer problems who was put on linux and didn't know how to use it
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[18:13] <piros_> He didn't know how to use windows either, so that wasn't necessarily bad that he didn't know how to use it; and saved him from getting a ton of malware being on linux. It just didn't help he hadn't updated the computer in 3 years since he didn't have su access
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[18:13] <pksato> piros_: need some way to parse html and extract date and check if is updated/
[18:14] <leftyfb> pksato: not really
[18:14] <leftyfb> pksato: he just needs to pull down the file, pull it again and diff it
[18:14] <leftyfb> no need to parse anything
[18:14] <pksato> or it.
[18:15] <pksato> but need to store last page, or some hash.
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[18:15] <pksato> also. have webserver header.
[18:15] <piros_> yeah, the page itself is the same. for a second I worried about the radar image throwing it off, but it's only referencing the same NWS radar image that's hosted on their site. so that will change, but the content of the page itself is the same
[18:15] <Tenkawa> here goes a new experiment.. wish me luck
[18:15] <pksato> just check if webserver know if page is updated.
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[18:16] <skazz> Hello, if I add 'splash' to the /boot/cmdline.txt I get 3 loading dots whilie it is booting (also added quiet loglevle=0 logo.nologo) ... Can I add a image above these dots?
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[18:17] <skazz> I tried searching around, but people seem to confuse splash with the logos removed with logo.nologo and using fbi to seemingly replace tty1
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[18:21] <mist_> is there a different irc channel where one might ask about rpi gpio stuff?
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[18:26] <leftyfb> mist_: ask here
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[18:27] <pksato> mist_: some time, need to wait for answer.
[18:28] <Mia> did they remove the spring system from raspberry's ssd slot in the final version?
[18:28] <Mia> mine does not click-spring anymore
[18:28] <Mia> (not sure if what I said makes sense)
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[18:28] <t3chguy> Mia: SD, and yes
[18:28] <mlelstv> mist_, I guess 'high' turns the motor on.
[18:29] <pksato> others, have lots of activity on channel, and you question can be lost. wait to channel to calm down, and ask again.
[18:29] <mist_> high does turn it on, low turns it off. cleanup put its in some weird state
[18:29] <Mia> t3chguy, oh okay :(
[18:29] <RBNT> Is this a place where I could ask for help?
[18:29] <Mia> I liked the springy slot more :(
[18:29] <mist_> its not the original state which is probably gpio.low
[18:29] <mlelstv> when the program exits the GPIO pin is configured as an input, and that is usually recognized as a high signal.
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[18:30] <mlelstv> you could add a pulldown resistor....
[18:30] <mist_> i don't even have to exit the program though, just running gpio.cleanup() makes it spin albeit slowly
[18:31] <mist_> mlelstv: i am using a 10k pulldown
[18:31] <mlelstv> maybe to high?
[18:31] <leftyfb> piros_: http://pastebin.com/AS5p3fah
[18:31] <mist_> i tried a 1k aswell
[18:32] <mlelstv> what is driven by the signal?
[18:32] <pksato> mist_: you are using physical pin 8 ?
[18:32] <mist_> i've tried many pins with the same result pksato
[18:32] <mist_> my initial thought was to use pin 11
[18:33] <pksato> ops.
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[18:33] <pksato> I read wrong line.
[18:33] <piros_> thank you! i was just now getting through trying out some of the various wget commands from their site
[18:33] <mlelstv> what is driven by the signal? we could find out what pulldown is enough.
[18:33] <pksato> physical pin 15.
[18:33] <mist_> mlelstv: its a dc motor on a circuit connected to a motor with a transistor deciding if it should run or not
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[18:34] <mlelstv> any schematic of this to look at ?
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[18:34] <RBNT> Would anyone be willing to help me with performing a webpage click action via CLI? I'm kinda new.
[18:35] <Tenkawa> whats the serial speed on the rpi3 serial ports
[18:35] <pksato> mist_: spin after normal end of program, or after ctrl+c or kill command?
[18:35] <Tenkawa> the usb converter just throws garbage with the settings i had for the 2
[18:36] <pksato> and, that kind of driver is on use to control motor?
[18:37] <pksato> mist_: if set pin to input, motor stop?
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[18:40] <pksato> pin 15 is free to use, program is correct, can be the driver.
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[18:43] <mlelstv> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=89108
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[18:45] <leftyfb> https://owncloud.org/blog/wd-labs-raspberry-pi-owncloud-and-ubuntu/
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[18:49] <bberg> noob question - is there a way to watch march madness on rpi2? Says I need Adobe Flash... (i've installed Gnash), but no luck
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[18:50] <ozzzy> march madness?
[18:50] <bberg> College Basketball - aka Adobe Flash Video Player
[18:50] <ozzzy> ah
[18:52] <Angs> I need to execute this "sysctl -w net.ipv6.conf.eth0.accept_ra_rt_info_max_plen=64" but my RPI doesn't have accept_ra_rt_info_max_plen . what file is the substitute for it on http://paste.debian.net/416661/
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[18:54] <TheLostAdmin> leftyfb, I was wanting one of those PiDrives but they don't sell them in Canada and I don't want it bad enough to deal with the hassle of cross boarder mail order shopping.
[18:55] <lopta> TheLostAdmin: I hope they become available in Canada before long.
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[18:56] <ExtraSteve> Not entirely sure what channel to ask about this, but you guys have always been helpful in the past. Why is it so hard to get LED's in a specific wavelength of light?
[18:57] <ExtraSteve> All of the lights I've seen targeted towards home greenhouses and such are missing the ideal photosynthesis wavelengths by a bit
[18:57] <lopta> ExtraSteve: Probably because they'd cost more to make (and test). What wavelength are you looking for?
[18:57] <mlelstv> because for most LEDs the wavelength is a characteristic of the material
[18:58] <TheLostAdmin> it's kind of silly of me since I have a WD MyCloud that does almost everything I want it to do. (they haven't got NFS working properly because they are using a known bad debian linux and haven't updated it).
[18:58] <ExtraSteve> Ideally I'd ahve ~425nm and 650-675nm
[18:59] <ExtraSteve> But I'm having a great deal of trouble finding LEDs in that range
[18:59] <ExtraSteve> Well, for cheap, that is
[19:00] <mlelstv> and what you get is like ~460nm and ~625nm
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[19:00] <pksato> Today have lots os choice of led colors. Some time ago, have only two (three) choices, red and green.
[19:00] <pksato> and IR.
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[19:01] <ExtraSteve> mlelstv: exactly
[19:01] <TheLostAdmin> I'm old enough to remember when blue became an option for LEDs.
[19:02] <lopta> Is 425nm UV?
[19:02] <pksato> blue change everything.
[19:02] <mlelstv> just found a LED lamp for your purpose. It has 460 and 630, but also 440 and 660
[19:02] <mlelstv> http://www.amazon.de/LED-Pflanzenlampe-180W-Grow-Lichtspektrum-Wachstum/dp/B00KOSP6YS
[19:02] <pksato> But, still limited by quantum physics.
[19:02] <mlelstv> and not cheap :)
[19:02] <ExtraSteve> UV is less than 400, iirc
[19:03] <ExtraSteve> mlelstv: ein bisschen teuer...
[19:03] <giddles> nanana.. gras?
[19:03] <mlelstv> well, it's also 180W... so lots of light. But yes, expensive.
[19:03] <ExtraSteve> I was looking at something like this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/311531976831 - but the wavelength is a bit off
[19:04] <lopta> ExtraSteve: SMT or PTH?
[19:04] <ExtraSteve> I'm sure it still grows things, but not as well as something more expensive
[19:04] <mlelstv> http://www.amazon.de/Roleadro-Pflanzenlampe-Gew%C3%A4chshaus-Dimmable-400x210x60mm/dp/B00RPZ75P6/ref=pd_sim_sbs_201_1/280-6751043-6319966?ie=UTF8&dpID=51Vs3fGtxoL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR160%2C160_&refRID=18ZZP9E60VA9PKBWFK8Q
[19:04] <lopta> Ooooh... grow-op.
[19:04] <mlelstv> cheaper...
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[19:05] <SkyCaptain> hey guys, I am trying to get Bluetooth set up on my RPI3 w/ the latest Raspbian build
[19:05] <SkyCaptain> I can't get the service to start
[19:06] <mlelstv> I guess when you search a bit you can get it even cheaper, but any ~200W lamp for your purpose will be >100EUR.
[19:06] <ExtraSteve> And for the record, it's not for anything illegal. I grow aquarium plants to sell on reddit and plantedtank.net :p
[19:06] <SkyCaptain> here is the output of status
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[19:06] <SkyCaptain> https://bpaste.net/show/23f2c615954f
[19:06] <SkyCaptain> any ideas?
[19:06] <ExtraSteve> Specifically amazon frogbit
[19:07] <lopta> ExtraSteve: Nice. Do they grow underwater? Will the water absorb more of the red light?
[19:07] <ExtraSteve> lopta: these are surface plants - so there's no water column to fight through
[19:07] <ExtraSteve> Otherwise I'd have to go for a proper aquarium light - probably one of the finnex models
[19:08] <Tenkawa> uggh these serial coverters
[19:08] <Tenkawa> er converters
[19:08] <ExtraSteve> Maybe talking to some "illegal grow op" folks would be the best.
[19:08] <ExtraSteve> I'm sure they've got a channel on efnet or something
[19:08] <lopta> ExtraSteve: Tried #gardening /
[19:08] <lopta> ?
[19:09] <ExtraSteve> ooo, I didn't realize there was one
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[19:09] <BurtyB> Tenkawa, if you're trying to use serial on the pi 3 it has issues
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[19:09] <Crom> some grow ops are totally legal state wise, federal meh....
[19:09] <lopta> BurtyB: More than on the B+ or 2B?
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[19:10] <lopta> Thankfully people grow other plants too.
[19:10] <BurtyB> lopta, yup - unless you had variable bit rates on that too ;)
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[19:11] <lopta> Intentionally variable?
[19:12] <Tenkawa> BurtyB: i'm noticing :(
[19:12] <BurtyB> lopta, if it throttles cpu speed due to the temp for example it changes the speed..
[19:12] <BurtyB> Tenkawa, think there's info on https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/issues/553
[19:12] <lopta> BurtyB: That makes sense.
[19:12] <Tenkawa> i cant even get initial boot text not to scramble
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[19:13] <Tenkawa> works on all prev modeld
[19:13] <Tenkawa> er models
[19:13] <BurtyB> Tenkawa, yeah I have the same issue so mine are sat in the box atm :/
[19:14] <Tenkawa> i had it setup to use net just fine and now its puking
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[19:14] <sasha> TheLostAdmin leftyfb: I expanded the partition of the usb stick (to have enough space for image) and it borked, reimaging usb now
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[19:18] <Tenkawa> woohoo got it fixed!!!!
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[19:20] <Tenkawa> much better
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[19:23] <Tenkawa> now I can plug it back up
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[19:25] <Tenkawa> wonder if i'm missing much runnig a 32 bit userland
[19:26] <lopta> Tenkawa: Probably not.
[19:26] <Tenkawa> didnt think so
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[19:54] <sasha> TheLostAdmin leftyfb: I failed
[19:54] <sasha> as soon as I started dd'ing the card, the pi stopped responding, now it won't boot (both leds are on)
[19:54] <TheLostAdmin> Did you get as far as trying to do the DD or was it a problem with the USB root?
[19:55] <sasha> dd if=2016-03-12-jessie-minibian.img of=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=4M was the last thing I ran
[19:55] <TheLostAdmin> Ah. good to know. Sucks, but good to know.
[19:55] <sasha> usb root was working flawlessly
[19:55] <sasha> is the command formatted right? it would not accept when I wrote bs=4m or bs=4M before the if
[19:56] <TheLostAdmin> sasha, something you could probably do instead (if you can repair /boot is to only copy the root partition. That you could probably do by just copying files instead of the raw image.
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[19:57] <sasha> TheLostAdmin: would http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/a/5492 in reverse work?
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[19:58] <Tenkawa> sasha: what were you trying to do btw
[19:58] <Tenkawa> ?
[19:58] <Bilby> *yawn*
[19:58] <TheLostAdmin> I would expect so, sasha. I haven't used rsync to copy an entire filesystem but I have used it to move around large chunks of it.
[19:58] <Tenkawa> Bilby: i hear ya
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[19:58] <TheLostAdmin> Sadly, you are probably going to have to go buy that SD card reader in order to continue.
[19:58] <sasha> nah I have my phone
[19:59] <TheLostAdmin> you can dd from your phone?
[19:59] <Bilby> The lights turned off in my office and i’m definiteyl tempted to just lean back and take a nap <_<
[19:59] <Tenkawa> heheehn
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[19:59] <Tenkawa> Bilby: i like this sunlight
[19:59] <sasha> Tenkawa: flash an image to the sd card from the raspberry pi directly
[19:59] <Tenkawa> sasha: ahhh
[20:00] <Bilby> I want sunlight!
[20:00] <Bilby> It’s completely dark in my office except for the 8 screens all facing me x_x
[20:00] <TheLostAdmin> It is beautifully sunny with a bright blue sky here. I stepped outside and it's also darn cold. Darn being about 0C.
[20:00] <Tenkawa> Bilby: indeed... we may get lucky and not end up wth much snow tonight
[20:00] <TheLostAdmin> okay, I lied. The web says it's about 5C here.
[20:01] <Bilby> chilly depending on what you’re used too
[20:01] <Bilby> to
[20:01] <Bilby> Tenkawa: I was somewhat surprised to hear snow in the forecast considering the month so far
[20:01] <Bilby> but… #ohio
[20:02] <Tenkawa> yeah
[20:02] <Tenkawa> but yeah exactly
[20:02] <Tenkawa> ohio
[20:02] <sasha> what format is the /boot partition? ext4?
[20:02] <Tenkawa> sasha: vfat
[20:02] <Tenkawa> or fat
[20:02] <sasha> it's not mounting on my phone
[20:02] <Tenkawa> not sure if it is vfat specificly
[20:02] <Tenkawa> its msdos based
[20:03] <TheLostAdmin> sasha, when you started the DD, the first thing it would have hit was the /boot partition. It's probably destroyed. Although, the / partition might be fine.
[20:03] <sasha> but why did it break?
[20:04] <sasha> i mean the boot partition isn't accessed by the pi on a hardware level, is it?
[20:04] <Tenkawa> they all are
[20:04] <shauno> it is, during boot
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[20:04] <Tenkawa> exactly
[20:04] <TheLostAdmin> The Pi doesn't exactly have a traditional firmware. It loads what most computers would call firmware as a first step. I guess it needs that to remain intact to keep the system running.
[20:05] <TheLostAdmin> I would have though it loaded those bits and then ignored the partition. Guess I am wrong.
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[20:05] <leftyfb> sasha: I would assume the network crapped out, which is why I wanted you to walk us through the process as you were doing it. I was going to suggest copying the pi image to the usb instead of doing it over the network
[20:06] <lopta> "crapped out" is a technical term*
[20:06] <Bilby> The bootloader file in /boot contains the code necessary to bootstrap the ARM core and initialize the video chipset. without that, nothing works
[20:06] <Tenkawa> lopta: indeed it is :)
[20:06] <lopta> Bilby: Does it matter what filesystem /boot is on?
[20:06] <leftyfb> Bilby: it's not needed after it boots
[20:06] <leftyfb> lopta: for booting it does, needs to be fat32
[20:06] <sasha> leftyfb: ah no it was from a usb stick in the end
[20:06] <Bilby> ^
[20:06] <lopta> leftyfb: Thanks, that's useful to know.
[20:06] <sasha> I downloaded the image with a torrent
[20:06] <leftyfb> sasha: /boot was not on the usb stick or it wouldn't have booted
[20:06] <Bilby> leftyfb: true, didn’t know it was in the context of a pi already booted
[20:07] <sasha> but it gave me a 'tar: 2016-03-12-jessie-minibian.img: Cannot change ownership to uid 999, gid 999: Operation not permitted' error which I ignored
[20:07] <leftyfb> sasha: what gave you that?
[20:07] <leftyfb> sasha: where was the image file located?
[20:07] <sasha> tar
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[20:08] <sasha> /mnt
[20:08] <jamesl> does anyone else have problems with extremely slow wifi after updating to Jesse on a pi 1? Before I was getting 200kB/s, post-update I'm getting 98kB/s. How to rectify? I did not make a backup of wpa_supplicant.conf before runnig aptitude full-upgrade.
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[20:08] <leftyfb> sasha: what was mounted in /mnt ?
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[20:09] <sasha> leftyfb: another usb drive (so drive 1 was /, drive 2 was /mnt) with the image on it
[20:10] <leftyfb> sasha: the usb drive was formatted fat or ntfs, that's why you got the error with tar. Though it didn't matter. It will still unpack and work
[20:10] <sasha> I can access the boot partition from my phone however, the one with config.txt and bootcode.bin, it seems intact
[20:11] <leftyfb> sasha: if that's the case then it should boot
[20:11] <leftyfb> sasha: see if the config.txt is set to boot from the usb instead of the sd
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[20:13] <sasha> ah maybe it's booting from the wrong usb!
[20:13] <leftyfb> yeah, unplug the usb
[20:13] <leftyfb> the other one
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[20:15] <sasha> leftyfb: nope, still red and green leds lit
[20:15] <leftyfb> sasha: see if the config.txt is set to boot from the usb instead of the sd
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[20:19] <sasha> whoa it looks totally broken
[20:19] <sasha> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Cp6Motdc/Screenshot_2016-03-18-20-19-06.png
[20:19] * lopta is totally broken.
[20:20] <Tenkawa> Anyone messed with their ram speed settings on a pi3 yet?
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[20:21] <jamesl> has anybody got the pi3 yet? I thought it wasn't on sale yet.
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[20:21] <Tenkawa> jamesl: umm... at least 2 weeks now
[20:21] <jamesl> and my next pi will be a pi2 instead of a pi3, I have no need for wifi/bluetooth
[20:21] <sasha> leftyfb: which files are needed in the boot partition? can I just copy cmdline.txt from elsewhere or do I need other files?
[20:22] <leftyfb> sasha: copy it all from the image
[20:22] <Tenkawa> i got mine at microcenter last week
[20:22] <lopta> jamesl: I got a 2B for Christmas. I won't upgrade unless I have a specific need for Bt or WiFi. Great product, I'm glad it exists. No definite reason for me to upgrade yet though.
[20:22] <sasha> any ideas what the text in the file is? looks ike it overwrote something but not the filenames?
[20:22] <lopta> Now, if I blow it up... ;-)
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[20:22] <leftyfb> jamesl: it's also a quad core 64bit 1.2Ghz
[20:23] <jamesl> true, but it'll be a while until the OS fully supports 64bit
[20:23] <leftyfb> sasha: mount the pi .img file and copy the files from that
[20:23] <Tenkawa> jamesl: why?
[20:24] <leftyfb> jamesl: funny you should say that. I'm working on porting Ubuntu 16.04 LTS to the pi3 and 64bit.
[20:24] <jamesl> wait, actuall full desktop Ubuntu? Wow!
[20:24] <leftyfb> jamesl: it probably won't be Unity
[20:24] <leftyfb> and to start i'm only working on the console stuff
[20:25] <Tenkawa> leftyfb: good luck...and thank you from
[20:25] <leftyfb> jamesl: you can already get ubuntu 15.10
[20:25] <Tenkawa> us user community
[20:25] <leftyfb> https://ubuntu-mate.org/raspberry-pi/
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[20:26] <leftyfb> jamesl: that said, it won't be long before there's a 64bit raspbian. There's already arm64 binaries for most things available
[20:27] <jamesl> but it'll be a while until my pi 1 model B stops working, so I'm sticking with that.
[20:28] <Tenkawa> i like my pi zeros :)
[20:28] <sasha> leftyfb: http://hellonwheels.com.au/bmxshop/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/alive.jpg
[20:28] <t3chguy> Tenkawa: how many you got?
[20:28] <Tenkawa> 3 now
[20:28] <t3chguy> nice
[20:28] <t3chguy> I've 5 :P
[20:28] <Tenkawa> cool
[20:28] <jamesl> Tenkawa: I have 3 pi zeroes, but only 2 microsd cards.
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[20:28] <sasha> so what do you think I should do now? can I try again to flash it directly, but maybe with other parameters? should I mount the /boot partition to the usb ?
[20:28] <leftyfb> I think I have 7 or pi1's, a pi2, a pi3 and 3 or 4 pi0's
[20:29] <t3chguy> jamesl: lol, I solved that problem by ordering 5 MicroSDs from GearBest for £20 (16Gigs)
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[20:29] <Tenkawa> I have a bunch of 1's and 2's
[20:29] <Tenkawa> heheheheh
[20:29] <leftyfb> sasha: copy the .img file to a usb, doesn't matter which. Then I would recommend using bmap to create a bmap file and use that to image your sd card from the pi
[20:30] <sasha> I have 2 pi1's, 3b+'s, 1pi2 (what I'm using now), 1 pi0
[20:30] <sasha> probably something like ~10 seriously sized projects too
[20:30] <t3chguy> Tenkawa: I only have my Zeros and a 2B
[20:30] <jamesl> impossible to have too many raspbberry pis.
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[20:30] <sasha> leftyfb: it's already on a usb, what do I do with bmap?
[20:31] <Tenkawa> t3chguy: I only currently use my 3 and zeros
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[20:31] <jamesl> wait, it would be possible to get an old large wall wart, put the internals from a 5v charger in it, then put a pi zero and wifi adapter in the empty space. Then you have a server inside a plug. Wow.
[20:31] <leftyfb> t3chguy: I got 3x 64G micro sd cards for $3 a pop
[20:31] <t3chguy> jamesl: its been done
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[20:33] <leftyfb> sasha: bmaptool create -o raspberryimage.bmap raspberryimage.img
[20:33] <leftyfb> sasha: to create the bmap file
[20:33] <leftyfb> sasha: replace raspberryimage with the name of the .img fle
[20:33] <sasha> hmm in the meantime I've noticed that I don't have the same md5...
[20:34] <leftyfb> sasha: then sudo bmaptool copy --bmap raspberryimage.bmap raspberryimage.img /dev/sda
[20:34] <leftyfb> sasha: the last command is to image your sd card
[20:35] <sasha> so it would be mmcblck0 then, right?
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[20:35] <leftyfb> sasha: yeah, sorry
[20:35] <leftyfb> sasha: on the pi you might have to install bmap-tools
[20:35] <leftyfb> sudo apt-get install bmap-tools
[20:36] <sasha> pfft sudo
[20:36] <sasha> i'm root
[20:36] <leftyfb> using bmap it won't copies over space that is used, it also shows a progress bar
[20:37] <leftyfb> er, it won't copy space that isn't used
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[20:37] <leftyfb> so it goes much quicker
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[20:42] <Fox682> Got a question, how important is the power supply for the Pi3, does it have to have the exact amperage or will 2.1 amps be ok, if there is no other USB devices attached?
[20:42] <willmore> leftyfb, why is bmaptool causing me to have lilo flashbacks? :)
[20:43] <Tenkawa> I currently use a 2.1 amp with no usb devices attached
[20:43] <methuzla> Fox682 should be o
[20:43] <methuzla> k
[20:43] <spike> 12:30 <jamesl> impossible to have too many raspbberry pis. <-- i have no pi's :(
[20:43] <jamesl> hmmm. 7 pi zeros or one pi 2?
[20:43] <leftyfb> willmore: curses
[20:44] <Tenkawa> lilo was fun
[20:44] <leftyfb> willmore: actually, no, that's not curses. Just ascii animation :)
[20:44] * Tenkawa remember using it back in the early 90's
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[20:45] <Tenkawa> er remembers
[20:45] <leftyfb> Fox682: 2.5A isn't required for the pi3. It will boot, you can even get on wifi with it
[20:45] <willmore> Back when bootloaders didn't understand filesystems an needed to be given a list of the blocks that various boot files occupied. It was both very stable and very brittle.
[20:46] <Tenkawa> willmore: yep
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[20:46] <willmore> Tenkawa, I need to dig out my 0.14 boot/root discs some day.
[20:46] <Fox682> thanks methuzla and leftyfb!
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[20:46] <swift110> hey guys
[20:47] <swift110> Just picked up my raspberry pi 3
[20:47] <Tenkawa> haahaa
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[20:47] <Tenkawa> swift110: congrats
[20:47] <Tenkawa> i''m working on mine atm
[20:47] <swift110> I plan on using my android tablet as a screen for it via ssh. Can someone assist me in doing that?
[20:47] <mfa298> Fox682: I've not had issues with a 2A PSU on a pi3 even with odd USB devices plugged in. But different supplies can be behave differently. If it boots and the red power led stays on you're good
[20:47] <spike> i'm still waiting for mine honestly :\
[20:48] <sasha> i'm having issues with the extraction, which parameters should I use? tar -xvf ?
[20:48] <swift110> I just went to microcenter and picked it up
[20:48] <t3chguy> swift110: connect to same network, install JuiceSSH, BINGO?
[20:48] <sasha> taking way too long
[20:48] <leftyfb> Fox682: more power is required when you plug in a keyboard and mouse and anything else usb
[20:48] <swift110> mfa298: what do you have plugged in?
[20:49] <Fox682> I've got a Pi B+ I'd like to use the Pi3 as an actual media server that hooks to the TV. But I need to be able to plug in an external USB drive and a wireless dongle for Kbd and Mouse.
[20:49] <ziddey> BINGO
[20:49] <swift110> leftyfb: If more power is needed for those two devices that would explain why they wouldn't work for me at the same time with a pi zero despite using a 12w usb adapter
[20:49] <mfa298> swift110: HackRF or rtlsdr (think I even had both in briefly)
[20:49] <bberg> Tenkawa: whatcha doing with you?
[20:49] <bberg> yours*
[20:50] <mfa298> Fox682: wireless dongle for keyboard and mouse is probably fine, external USB drive (if it takes power over USB) might be a bit too much
[20:50] <Tenkawa> bberg: just messing around.. I use a LOT of different small boxes
[20:50] <bberg> Tenkawa: like?
[20:50] <Tenkawa> bberg: trying to see what I plan on this one for
[20:51] <Tenkawa> pi's, olimex-olinuxino, mips ci20's
[20:51] <Fox682> mfa298 oh ok, That's what I'm worried about I've got a nice 1TB Segate drive I use to store media externally but it does need power... hmmm...
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[20:51] <swift110> t3chguy: is juicessh from sonelli ltd?
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[20:52] <Fox682> I *could* use wifi but i'm worried it won't get enough bandwidth for 1080p video, all I got are these DD-WRT linksys boxes lol
[20:52] <t3chguy> swift110: I believe so
[20:52] * t3chguy confirms this
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[20:52] <Fox682> and I'd have to setup a server >.<
[20:52] <leftyfb> swift110: a 12w adapter would work just fine
[20:54] <leftyfb> sasha: you still having issues?
[20:54] <swift110> leftyfb: its an apple 12W adapter that I use for everything because it charges nice and quickly
[20:54] <Fox682> I haven't looked yet but is there a way to break out the USB power supply from the data lines so you can power the USB devices externally?
[20:55] <ali1234> yes
[20:55] <ali1234> you can buy splitters that do that
[20:55] <t3chguy> or cut the cable and solder 2 additional cables for power :P
[20:55] <mfa298> Fox682: WD Labs have a cable to go with their pi drives that does that. Although it might be similar cost to buy a more powerful PSU
[20:56] <Fox682> ah, ok cool, looks like I'll get one of those then, I don't feel like soldering, my skills are a bit weak in that dept, lol
[20:56] <ali1234> https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/sata-hard-drive-to-usb-adapter
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[20:56] <ali1234> has two usb connectors, one for power
[20:56] <mfa298> personally I'd stay away from cutting and soldering usb cables. Chances are it'll only run at USB 1 speeds if at all.
[20:56] * Gadgetoid 's ears perk up
[20:56] <t3chguy> mfa298: not if you only sever the 5V ine
[20:57] <t3chguy> and solder only to 5V and GND, leaving D- and D+ intact
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[20:57] <t3chguy> s/ine/line
[20:57] <Gadgetoid> ali1234: I've wondered, but not yet tested, if the power cable on that split adaptor could be used to backfeed power into a Pi Zero
[20:57] <Fox682> ah... I'd have to pull the drive for that adapter
[20:57] <Fox682> what about an "inline" splitter?
[20:57] <t3chguy> Gadgetoid: if its designed well, no
[20:58] <Gadgetoid> You can get split USB cables, usually for this very reason
[20:58] <ali1234> Gadgetoid: hang on i'll test it
[20:58] <t3chguy> it should only be pulling 5V from one of the USB Ports
[20:58] <Fox682> ah, man first look is expensive lol, i'll keep looking
[20:58] <Gadgetoid> t3chguy: I don't think there's anything in the spec which would expressly forbid it, and I know power will go through the blue data connection since that's the only connector I use
[20:58] <sasha> leftyfb: I had a different md5sum on my mac and pi, I extracted it on a debian and it had the same md5 as on the pi..
[20:58] <t3chguy> Gadgetoid: hmm, then I guess it Should be able to backpower a Pi
[20:59] <Gadgetoid> t3chguy: the Pi Zero USB port is also hard-wired to the power input, for better or worse
[20:59] <ali1234> Gadgetoid: yes it works
[20:59] <t3chguy> Gadgetoid: I know lol
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[20:59] <ali1234> Gadgetoid: although i do not have a hard drive connected
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[21:02] <Fox682> ok sweet found the cables on ebay a few bucks.
[21:02] <ali1234> Gadgetoid: what are the holes in the bottom of the pi 3 pibow for? http://imgur.com/PoZepdI
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[21:03] <shauno> ali1234: drainage
[21:03] <ali1234> actually i think i figured it out... they are directly under the bcm and the hub chip
[21:04] <Gadgetoid> ali1234: figured as much!
[21:04] <Gadgetoid> ali1234: ventilation
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[21:05] <Gadgetoid> I started writing a custom multitouch keyboard for the Pi 7" Touchscreen, it works, I think in C with some proper hooks into the window manager it could be really powerful
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[21:06] <ali1234> aren't there already loads of on screen keyboards?
[21:06] <TheLostAdmin> what makes your keyboard special? I've never actually knowingly used a linux touchscreen keyboard so I don't even know what the normal once are like.
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[21:06] <Gadgetoid> Yeah, they all suck
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[21:07] <ali1234> the hildon one seemed okay
[21:07] <Gadgetoid> TheLostAdmin: it slurps multi-touch events right out of the ft5406 driver, so you can do things like hold shift, or ctrl+C
[21:07] <Gadgetoid> But in all other ways it kinda sucks
[21:07] <jmadero> I have a new external that keeps unmountig and then remounting when it's not being used (if I'm actually using the drive, like playing music, no unmount happens) - any thoughts? Think it might be a power issue? Faulty drive? Something else?
[21:08] <Gadgetoid> jmadero: sounds like it's just going to sleep, power management, there'll be a way to turn that off iirc
[21:08] <swift110> do I need to install juicessd on the pi 3 t3chguy ?
[21:08] <BurtyB> Gadgetoid, hard wired power is for better ;)
[21:08] <sasha> leftyfb: bmaptool: ERROR: cannot generate bmap for file '2016-03-12-jessie-minibian.img': the file-system does not support "SEEK_HOLE" and "SEEK_DATA" but only provides a stub implementation
[21:08] <t3chguy> no swift110, just flash the sd card with raspbian, which by default starts an sshd
[21:08] <jmadero> Gadgetoid: is that on the Pi or in the drive? It's weird because it cycles over and over again
[21:08] <Gadgetoid> BurtyB: 240v mains, right into the GPIO
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[21:09] <Fox682> oh man, trying to SSH into my pi but I forgot the default pw for root xD
[21:09] <t3chguy> Fox682: there isn't one
[21:09] <BurtyB> Gadgetoid, instant light show!
[21:09] <leftyfb> sasha: mv the img file to the usb drive with the linux OS on it
[21:09] <leftyfb> Fox682: there isn't one
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[21:09] <swift110> t3chguy: I already have raspian installed onto the sd card. Its the one I was using for the Pi Zero but I want to use it for the pi 3 instead
[21:09] <leftyfb> Fox682: pi / raspberry
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[21:09] <sasha> leftyfb: no space, when I tried to expand it I had to reflash the usb drive
[21:09] <t3chguy> swift110: if it has a new enough kernel it should work]
[21:10] <sasha> how should I expand it correctly?
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[21:10] <sasha> or can I do this on an external device?
[21:10] <leftyfb> sasha: ok, format your other usb drive as ext4 and copy the image file there and do it
[21:11] <sasha> I have lots of things on it, can I just to it on a ec2?
[21:11] <swift110> t3chguy: only thing is, I intended to check out ubuntu mate on the pi 3. But I will check out raspbian on it first.
[21:11] <Fox682> huh... well crud, i must have changed it, lol *sigh*
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[21:12] <t3chguy> swift110: only thing with Ubuntu Mate is that it has an installer
[21:12] <Gadgetoid> jmadero: not sure, I can find a bunch of guides for enabling HD spindown but none for disabling :D
[21:12] <t3chguy> so you need to plug it into a display + keyboard/mouse
[21:12] <t3chguy> to do the intial config
[21:12] <Gadgetoid> Is Ubuntu Mate the aussie localised version of Ubuntu? :D
[21:12] <swift110> t3chguy: ok, the issue there is that I don't have internet at home
[21:12] <jmadero> Gadgetoid: I'm getting "not supported" with hdparm so trying to figure out what is going on
[21:12] <leftyfb> sasha: I would keep it local and not do it over the network
[21:12] <t3chguy> swift110: download the image anywhere, the installer doesn't need internet
[21:13] <Gadgetoid> jmadero: powered from the Pi, or externally?
[21:13] <swift110> ok
[21:13] <sasha> for the bmaptool create command even?
[21:13] <jmadero> Gadgetoid: externally
[21:13] <Valduare> any word on booting raspberry pi 3 off usb or the pxe booting they were talking about
[21:13] <jmadero> but it has some sensor where if it's not plugged in, it powers down
[21:13] <Gadgetoid> See anything useful in dmesg when it unmounts?
[21:13] <jmadero> I never know what I should be looking for :-/
[21:13] <t3chguy> Gadgetoid: yes, that is the Aussie branch of Ubuntu
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[21:14] <Gadgetoid> Valduare: not as far as I know, definitely something I'm keen to see, along with updated bootcode.bin for the PiZero baremetal
[21:15] <ali1234> jmadero: anything containing the words warning, error, or failure
[21:15] <ali1234> or "time out"
[21:15] <jmadero> /var/log/dmesg just has "(Nothing has been logged yet.)"
[21:15] <ali1234> just run dmesg directly
[21:15] <swift110> t3chguy: ok so i got juicessh installed on the android tablet. So I plug in the pi, and the pi will show up on my tablet?
[21:15] <t3chguy> swift110: plug in the Pi how?
[21:16] <mist_> pksato: sorry for disappearing, my kitten came in with diahorrea all over her fur...
[21:16] <t3chguy> you need to connect the Tablet and Pi to the same network
[21:16] <ziddey> swift110, you point at the ip / hostname
[21:16] <swift110> i have an adapter to power the pi t3chguy
[21:16] <leftyfb> sasha: you need to create the bmap file on a linux filesystem. Doesn't have to be on the pi. But once it's created copy both the image and the bmap tile to a usb drive connected to the pi
[21:16] <t3chguy> swift110: you will need to connect them to the same network. Either WiFi or Ethernet
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[21:17] <Gadgetoid> IRC is so full of words, I don't know how people keep up :D
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[21:17] <ali1234> try visiting #ubuntu some time
[21:17] <ali1234> it never stops
[21:17] <swift110> t3chguy: definately going to be wifi as I dont have an ethernet cable with me. So I give the pi power and once I power it up how do i interact with the pi?
[21:17] <Tenkawa> Gadgetoid: some of us have been using irc a very very long time
[21:18] <t3chguy> swift110: you'll need to modify some SD card files to tell the Pi about your WiFi Network
[21:18] <jmadero> nothing stands out from it: http://pastebin.com/nF8KmPQY
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[21:18] <swift110> t3chguy: ok how do I modify anything on the pi with no display?
[21:18] <t3chguy> swift110: modifying the SD Card content directly
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[21:18] <leftyfb> swift110: https://learn.adafruit.com/the-adafruit-raspberry-pi-finder/overview
[21:18] <Gadgetoid> Tenkawa: I'm sure I've been using it for more than 15 years, it still hurts my eyes... I think screens are just too high density these days :D
[21:18] <leftyfb> swift110: oh, wifi
[21:18] <CoJaBo> I had to connect mine to wifi that way
[21:18] <CoJaBo> it SUCKED
[21:18] <leftyfb> you need to edit that manually
[21:19] <Tenkawa> Gadgetoid: 23+ here
[21:19] <CoJaBo> Got config wrong? Too bad, shut it down and retry
[21:19] <Tenkawa> heheheh
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[21:19] <CoJaBo> I finally have a USB keyboard. Never again
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[21:19] <Fox682> I did good, I locked mine out on SSH, can't login to mine, going to have to shove the SD Card into a comp now lol
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[21:19] <swift110> t3chguy: ok so I edit the sd card itself before I use it with the pi. Once I have that done i can put it in the pi and it will be ready to use via ssh from my tablet?
[21:20] <t3chguy> Yes
[21:20] <CoJaBo> Mine loses SSH ocasionally, and I still have no idea why; I just reinstall everytime it happens :/
[21:21] <Gadgetoid> Tenkawa: I'd have had to have been running it on my Commodore 64 to match that!
[21:21] <Tenkawa> heheehe
[21:21] <Tenkawa> classics :)
[21:22] <swift110> t3chguy: goodness I dont have the sd card adapter to use with my laptop to edit the files.
[21:22] <CoJaBo> ..i lose those damn things so oftern :/
[21:22] <t3chguy> swift110: nothing you can do then, can't configure wpa_supplicant magically unfortunately
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[21:22] <leftyfb> swift110: got an android phone/table with microsd card slot?
[21:23] <swift110> leftyfb: yes I do
[21:23] <Tenkawa> i have like 10 microsd adapters
[21:23] <leftyfb> swift110: there ya go
[21:23] <Tenkawa> or more
[21:23] <CoJaBo> That can mess up the ringtones and photo gallery tho
[21:23] <swift110> leftyfb: ok good idea just edit things that way
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[21:23] <CoJaBo> I had to get an SD adaptor from Walmart, as the builtin one on my laptop died
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[21:24] <Tenkawa> ouch
[21:24] <Valduare> o/ hows it going guys
[21:24] <leftyfb> was the laptop from walmart too? :)
[21:24] <CoJaBo> HDD also appears to be dying :/
[21:24] <swift110> lol I have never used the sd slot of this tablet before lol this will be so cool
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[21:24] <CoJaBo> leftyfb: Dunno, got it for free
[21:24] <CoJaBo> Card reader never actually worked properly
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[21:34] <Gadgetoid> My crazy countdown timer is still running, wheee!
[21:34] <sasha> leftyfb: https://dpaste.de/3cUa
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[21:34] <sasha> 🎉 ?
[21:34] <Gadgetoid> Not bad for a Pi Zero dangling out of my USB port on a non-spec shim cable that tends to fall out
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[21:35] <leftyfb> sasha: ok, pull the sd card, put it back in and try to mount the 2 partitions somewhere temporarily to see if they look ok
[21:35] <jmadero> anyone ever use a tv as the power source for a Pi?
[21:35] <jmadero> wondering it it'll just corrupt the hell out of it by hard power off every time I turn off the tv
[21:36] <machrider> the TV has a USB port?
[21:36] <Gadgetoid> jmadero: I could tell my TV to leave the USB port powered
[21:36] <jmadero> yeah
[21:36] <leftyfb> jmadero: if the usb port shuts off with the tv, then I wouldn't recommend it
[21:36] <CoJaBo> Check if the ports even shut off tho
[21:36] <jmadero> hm, wonder how to check that....
[21:36] <sasha> oups [ 4155.553688] mmc0: card never left busy state
[21:36] <sasha> [ 4155.559625] mmc0: error -110 whilst initialising SD card
[21:36] <CoJaBo> Plug in some other device
[21:36] <leftyfb> jmadero: plug in a phone
[21:36] <Gadgetoid> I hard power off my Pi's all the time, these corruption fears are massively overrated in my experience
[21:36] <machrider> the thing is, the USB spec is only 500mA. the pi could draw more and damage the TV's USB bus
[21:36] <CoJaBo> I used a mouse
[21:36] <jmadero> leftyfb: .....wow - haha
[21:36] <leftyfb> sasha: ok, image it again
[21:37] <jmadero> that was not rocket science
[21:37] <CoJaBo> Yeh, and some provide far less than 500ma too
[21:37] <Gadgetoid> I guess it has to be a unique combination of significant pending writes *and* a hard power off
[21:37] <CoJaBo> There's at least one where plugging in ANY USB device will brick it too..
[21:37] <CoJaBo> Gadgetoid: It's actually a lot more complicated than that lol
[21:37] <sasha> root@minibian:/mnt# cat /dev/m (tab tab)
[21:37] <sasha> mapper/ mem memory_bandwidth mqueue/
[21:38] <sasha> it's gone
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[21:38] <leftyfb> sasha: it shouldn't be mapper
[21:38] <leftyfb> sasha: type dmesg
[21:38] <sasha> card never left busy state is repeating over and over in dmesg
[21:38] <CoJaBo> Gadgetoid: I just leave mine on 24/7; hardly uses any power anyways
[21:38] <leftyfb> sasha: it should be mmcblk0
[21:38] <Gadgetoid> CoJaBo: power transients on the SD bus? electron erosion? cosmic rays? :D
[21:38] <leftyfb> sasha: that's not good
[21:39] <leftyfb> sasha: are you sure the thing wasn't mounted?
[21:39] <sasha> well..
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[21:39] <sasha> you did say to pull it out
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[21:39] <CoJaBo> It gets rebooted once or twice a week tho, due to power outages. Takes about 9 months of that to kill it
[21:39] <Gadgetoid> I test a lot of stuff that requires me to power on/off frequently, such fun
[21:39] <leftyfb> sasha: right, it should have never been mounted when you were imaging it in the first place
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[21:40] <sasha> and I can't reboot because there may no longer be an os..
[21:40] <leftyfb> sasha: correct
[21:40] <leftyfb> sasha: though there MIGHT be
[21:40] <CoJaBo> Gadgetoid: If it loses power while the SD controller is writing to flash, your data is toast. But you can't know when that happens; it'll sometimes occur even when just reading.
[21:40] <Tenkawa> minimally you'll needto make sure a fsck runs
[21:40] <sasha> lemme try
[21:40] <leftyfb> but if you never unmounted /boot before imaging, then it could be corrupt
[21:41] <Tenkawa> fsck -y /dev/partitions of your boot and root using a diff box if you got one
[21:41] <Tenkawa> sasha: that was directed to you
[21:41] <Gadgetoid> CoJaBo: IE: the SD card deciding it's going to do some wear levelling? or move some stuff around?
[21:41] <Tenkawa> i missed the keys
[21:41] <leftyfb> Tenkawa: he can't without an sd card reader
[21:41] <Tenkawa> leftyfb: oh no secondary box eh?
[21:41] <Gadgetoid> It's probably going to happen to me all the time now, but... it just doesn't seem to happen
[21:41] <Tenkawa> well darn
[21:41] <CoJaBo> Gadgetoid: Read-disturb is the issue that causes reads to trigger writes
[21:41] <leftyfb> Tenkawa: and since his running OS is continually complaining about ejecting the SD card prematurely, the running OS isn't going to let him do that either
[21:42] <Tenkawa> oh wait
[21:42] <Tenkawa> theres a setting
[21:42] <Tenkawa> just a second you can add to cmdline.txt
[21:42] <leftyfb> won't matter
[21:42] <leftyfb> he has no choice but to reboot
[21:42] <sasha> IT WORKED
[21:42] <leftyfb> :)
[21:42] <sasha> :D
[21:42] <Gadgetoid> And this is stuff I do every single day! I must just have lucky SD cards
[21:42] <sasha> am I legitimately the first person to do this :P ?
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[21:43] <CoJaBo> Gadgetoid: If the pi is sitting idle and loses power, 99% of the time it'll be alright; even if the filesystem isn't synced or has stuff in cache, the journal will handle that as normal. It's only when flash is being actively written that stuff is in limbo
[21:43] <leftyfb> sasha: here's the thing, I would seriously run through all this again. I wouldn't tust the image since it complained about not being finished with writes
[21:43] <sasha> well, how? I change back the /boot ?
[21:43] <Tenkawa> leftyfb: yeah however if someone doesnt have any way to mount/clean the fs' they should turn on the force fsck flag for all boots
[21:43] <sasha> and I did wait like 1 or 2 minutes before unplugging it
[21:43] <swift110> leftyfb: ok so what do I do with the sd card?
[21:44] <Gadgetoid> CoJaBo: sounds like good ol magnetic core memory :D
[21:44] <leftyfb> sasha: change your /boot to point to the usb again, boot with the usb, unmount /boot, then image again
[21:44] <CoJaBo> Gadgetoid: Much crazier than core https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3GDPwIuRKI
[21:44] <leftyfb> swift110: edit /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
[21:45] <leftyfb> swift110: http://pastebin.com/AxqbkfBf
[21:45] <Gadgetoid> CoJaBo: ooo! due's really egger!
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[21:45] <CoJaBo> ?
[21:45] <Gadgetoid> Deutsch accent, "eager" :D
[21:45] <Gadgetoid> Listening now, anyway, thanks!
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[21:46] <jmadero> you think that the manual would say what kind of output the USB pushes?
[21:46] <CoJaBo> Nope
[21:47] <leftyfb> jmadero: usb doesn't push power
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[21:47] <leftyfb> jmadero: devices pull current, the power adapter is capable of handling a stated amount of current
[21:47] <swift110> leftyfb: Ok so I am in the sd card. where is the file that needs to be edited
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[21:47] <leftyfb> swift110: edit /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
[21:47] <leftyfb> swift110: http://pastebin.com/AxqbkfBf
[21:48] <Gadgetoid> Pi's USB is limited to 600mA, or 1.2A shared across all 4 ports if that's the answer you're looking for jmadero?
[21:48] <CoJaBo> TV USB port
[21:48] <CoJaBo> They can range from 50ma to an amp or so, from what I've heard
[21:48] <jmadero> dammit - it does turn off when tv is powered down
[21:49] <CoJaBo> I'd just plug it into the wall, and leave it on
[21:49] <swift110> leftyfb: see what you linked but I have checked all of the folders and its not there
[21:49] <jmadero> yeah probably best, just sucks because I could mount it really neat behind the tv :-b
[21:50] <sasha> leftyfb: ok it has copied, what should I do now?
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[21:54] <swift110> Goodness, I am really having a lot of trouble with the raspberry pi. Everytime I get a solution to a problem yet another problem creeps up out of nowhere.
[21:54] <swift110> Can someone please tell me how to access the file edit /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf so I can get the pi to ssh with my tablet and be done already
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[21:55] <swift110> the sd card with the raspian image is in an android tablet btw.
[21:56] <tommih> has anyone experienced raspberry corrupting sd cards?
[21:56] <swift110> You give me advice and I appreciate it but its not very useful if I dont know how to do what your telling me to do
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[21:56] <swift110> People keep skipping steps with me and I need steps to do this at all
[21:56] <ShorTie> raspberry corrupting sd cards, is normally a power issue
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[21:57] <tommih> ShorTie really? i just dd'd a jessie image to my sd card
[21:58] <ShorTie> you didn't say that, lol.
[21:58] <ShorTie> bad image ??
[21:59] <Tenkawa> tommih: how do you know its corrupr
[21:59] <tommih> actually now that i googled it i'm not the only one wondering about this
[21:59] <Tenkawa> er corrupting
[21:59] <Tenkawa> symptoms?
[21:59] <tommih> Tenkawa pi doesn't boot and my laptop can't mount that card
[21:59] <Tenkawa> did you verify the src image?
[22:00] <Tenkawa> via losetup and mounting the loop devices
[22:00] <ShorTie> what os is the laptop ??
[22:00] <tommih> gpart tells me there's no valid partition or that the partition table is out of bounds
[22:00] <sasha> leftyfb: yeah it automatically mounts /boot
[22:00] <tommih> ShorTie arch
[22:00] <tommih> Tenkawa I did not but my other card works fine
[22:00] <ShorTie> they use a goofy mbr on the images
[22:01] <tommih> ShorTie ?
[22:01] * Tenkawa has no experience with arch
[22:01] <tommih> Tenkawa it's not my laptop. trust me
[22:01] <ShorTie> it's bigger then normal
[22:02] <ShorTie> is this a arch image for the pi ??
[22:02] <tommih> for some reason pi ruined my partition table multiple times
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[22:02] <Tenkawa> tommih: i thought you said arch distro.. whats the connection from that to the laptop?
[22:02] <Tenkawa> i'm not seeing thge relevance
[22:02] <tommih> ShorTie no no. I put a jessie to the card
[22:03] <tommih> Tenkawa umm you asked me what os my laptop has?
[22:03] <leftyfb> tomaw: the pi does not "ruin" partition tables, unless you're losing power on the pi which will happen regardless of being in a pi or mounted in another machine
[22:03] <leftyfb> swift110: where are you at?
[22:03] <leftyfb> sasha: unmount it first before imaging
[22:03] <sasha> leftyfb: yeah it was already unmounted
[22:03] <sasha> it remounted autoatically
[22:03] <Tenkawa> tommih: actually that was ShorTie
[22:03] <Tenkawa> anywayu
[22:04] <Tenkawa> heres something to test
[22:04] <leftyfb> sasha: just make sure it is mounted before imaging it
[22:04] <tommih> just wondering if this is somehow know behavior. my other card works just fine
[22:04] <Tenkawa> whats the diff in the card brands/types/sizes
[22:04] <Tenkawa> ?
[22:04] <leftyfb> tommih: the pi does not corrupt cards just by running the OS on it in normal operation
[22:04] <sasha> what do you mean? I reimaged it and everything appears to work so far
[22:04] <leftyfb> sasha: ok, then you're good then
[22:04] <swift110> leftyfb: what do you mean?
[22:04] <tommih> leftyfb it may be a faulty sd card also
[22:04] <sasha> i'm still wondering if anyone did this before :)
[22:05] <sasha> thanks for the help leftyfb, I hugely appreciated your guidance!
[22:05] <leftyfb> swift110: did you edit the file?
[22:05] <leftyfb> tommih: sure
[22:05] <Tenkawa> tommih: i've run into quute a few bad cards
[22:05] <leftyfb> sasha: probably, but probably not in here
[22:05] <swift110> leftyfb: I posted that I am unable to locate the file. Where is it?
[22:05] <sasha> well I'll just say I'm the first :P
[22:05] <tommih> leftyfb Tenkawa but actually google has other people wondering the same thing...
[22:05] <leftyfb> swift110: edit /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
[22:05] <leftyfb> swift110: http://pastebin.com/AxqbkfBf
[22:06] <leftyfb> tommih: google says a lot of things
[22:06] <leftyfb> tommih: google for lizard men
[22:06] <tommih> leftyfb yea but people's subjective experiences don't come out of nowhere
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[22:06] <Tenkawa> tommih: well are they using known good cards... i can tell you a lot of house brand sd cards are iffy at best
[22:06] <leftyfb> tommih: people "experience" bigfood as well
[22:06] <Tenkawa> we got one brand up here that over 80% of their cards i have go bad
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[22:07] <tommih> leftyfb i don't think they do
[22:07] <tommih> Tenkawa yea maybe it's just that
[22:07] <swift110> leftyfb: where is edit /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf you keep posting about it but it does me no good if I cannot access it
[22:07] <tommih> Tenkawa what brand? and how do you verify this?
[22:07] <Tenkawa> swift110: define access it
[22:07] <swift110> goodness
[22:07] <Tenkawa> tommih: i use samsung when i can
[22:08] <Tenkawa> swift110: i'm just behind sorry
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[22:08] <swift110> Tenkawa: there is no file by that name on the sd card
[22:08] <tommih> Tenkawa my faulty one is kingston
[22:08] <leftyfb> swift110: you put the sd card into your phone/tablet right? Open up a file manager and go to the etc directly, then the wpa_supplicant directory and then edit wpa_supplicant.conf
[22:08] <Tenkawa> swift110: you might need to copy one from /usr/share/doc/
[22:08] <tommih> first i fdisk'd a linux partition then dd'd jessie to that. everything seems normal until i put that thing into the raspberry
[22:08] <Tenkawa> in the wpasupplicant docs there
[22:09] <swift110> leftyfb: sd card is in the tablet. File manager is open. there is no etc folder at all.
[22:09] <leftyfb> tommih: you do not dd the raspbian image file to a partition. You dd it to the device itself
[22:09] <Tenkawa> tommih: dd, sync, then eject?
[22:09] <leftyfb> tommih: creating a linux partition is pointless
[22:09] <tommih> leftyfb correct.
[22:09] <leftyfb> swift110: what do you see?
[22:09] <Tenkawa> swift110: its just boot stuff right?
[22:09] <tommih> Tenkawa yes exactly. dd to sdb then sunc
[22:10] <t3chguy> swift110: your tablet is probably not mounting the correct partition
[22:10] <Tenkawa> leftyfb: I bet its the dos fs
[22:10] <tommih> leftyfb sure but i wanted to know if the card is okay
[22:10] <tommih> whatever
[22:10] <Tenkawa> t3chguy: agreed
[22:10] <tommih> omg pardon me but I can't type today. new keyboard and everything
[22:11] <swift110> leftyfb: and Tenkawa the only folders I have are: lost.dir, os, defaults, and overlays.
[22:11] <Tenkawa> tommih: if you dd to "sdb" everything you just did is wiped on the card.. including part table
[22:11] <Tenkawa> so unless its a partitioned image that wont work
[22:11] <leftyfb> swift110: that seems like the /boot partition but missing some stuff
[22:12] <leftyfb> swift110: you need to get your tablet to mount the 2nd partition
[22:12] <swift110> leftyfb: ok how do I do that?
[22:12] <Tenkawa> yeah thats definitely pieces of /boot
[22:12] <Tenkawa> only
[22:12] <leftyfb> swift110: don't know, I don't have an android phone
[22:12] <t3chguy> swift110: depends on the tablet
[22:12] <Tenkawa> t3chguy: not sure he can
[22:13] <tommih> Tenkawa I'm pretty sure it's partitioned
[22:13] <tommih> also that's not the problem
[22:13] <swift110> I thought all the partitions would automatically show up
[22:13] <t3chguy> Tenkawa: my phone automounts all recognized partitions on USB Devices :/
[22:13] <tommih> I know my dd :P
[22:13] <Tenkawa> t3chguy: is ext recognized?
[22:13] <swift110> I will try my android phone then
[22:13] <t3chguy> Tenkawa: that I am not 100% sure on
[22:13] <Tenkawa> tommih: if you did of=/dev/sdb then your part table is whatever is in that image
[22:14] <tommih> Tenkawa I KNOW :D
[22:14] <tommih> Tenkawa my other card works just fine
[22:14] <Tenkawa> was it built "exactly" the same way?
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[22:14] <Tenkawa> if so i am at a loss
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[22:14] <Tenkawa> it should work
[22:15] <tommih> Tenkawa also i was able to boot with that first one but after awhile I lost the ssh and found out that the table was fucked
[22:15] <tommih> that happened couple of times until I gave up and switched to my old 4Gb card
[22:16] <t3chguy> tommih: refresh your mind on channel rules - family friendly language
[22:16] <swift110> t3chguy: and leftyfb ok I am going to try again with my android phone
[22:16] <Tenkawa> do you run X on this box?
[22:16] <tommih> t3chguy serious?
[22:16] <Tenkawa> is it possible its trying to automount that partition and goofing it up?
[22:16] <t3chguy> tommih: yes I am serious. If gordonDrogon was around he'd just kick you offhand
[22:17] <tommih> t3chguy he's american?
[22:17] <t3chguy> tommih: he's British
[22:17] <tommih> t3chguy even worse
[22:17] <tommih> okey I'll remember that
[22:17] <t3chguy> how very disrespectful
[22:18] <Robsoft> what do you mean, 'even worse'? :-) (british flounce)
[22:18] <tommih> how so? children don't get traumatized from that
[22:18] <swift110> t3chguy: and leftyfb Ok the sd card is in android phone and I still dont have access to the file I need
[22:18] * Tenkawa thinks this conversation has no good end and advises to drop it please
[22:18] <willmore> that is what /ignore is for.
[22:18] <Tenkawa> swift110: yeah it probably cant mount the ext partition
[22:18] <leftyfb> swift110: I cannot help you with accessing the sd card from your android device
[22:18] <t3chguy> swift110: I believe Android won't automount ext4
[22:19] <swift110> Ok
[22:19] <willmore> t3chguy, depends on the android device. CM devices tend to.
[22:19] <t3chguy> if you have console/shell access on your android device (might need root) then you can do it manually
[22:19] <Tenkawa> t3chguy: not sure if its even got a driver by default
[22:19] <tommih> Robsoft uptight
[22:19] <Tenkawa> the kernel could be trim
[22:19] <tommih> Tenkawa you are propably right :)
[22:19] <t3chguy> willmore: I run CM13, I'll test that momentarily
[22:19] <Robsoft> tommih :-) not all of us, but I appreciate how it often comes across
[22:20] <Tenkawa> wow my kernel i just built has 1313 modules
[22:20] <Tenkawa> ouch
[22:20] <willmore> t3chguy, it'll depend on how your particular device was setup, though. They're not very uniform about it. :(
[22:20] <tommih> Robsoft haha :D I'm well aware but that's the stereotype
[22:20] <t3chguy> willmore: do explain "device was setup"
[22:20] <willmore> I have a tablet running CM10.2 and it'll accept ext4 and f2fs.
[22:20] <t3chguy> I'm running some week-old CM13 Bacon nightly
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[22:21] <Tenkawa> willmore: wow even f2fs.. thats rare
[22:21] <swift110> t3chguy: ok could it be that I am having these issues because the os is not expanded to use the whole sd card?
[22:21] <t3chguy> no swift110
[22:21] <tommih> is CM open source?
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