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[16:21] <Tenkawa> hi all
[16:22] <Zardoz> sup
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[16:23] <Tenkawa> nothing here.. relatively quiet
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[16:28] <Bilby> Tenkawa: I saw something in here the other day you might find useful
[16:28] <Bilby> you can override the function on the Pi's LEDs
[16:28] <Bilby> so if you end up needing to test something later you can set the output to flash LEDs for you :)
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[16:34] <cagmz> does someone mind commenting on my rpi project diagram? wondering if I should go with the top or bottom version. any suggestions are welcome: https://www.lucidchart.com/publicSegments/view/c3a98288-6fc3-4c04-ab09-43a3a7278602
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[16:36] <Zardoz> cagmz, I get a blank page
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[16:36] <Bilby> It's a PDF
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[16:37] <Zardoz> ah, my pi is not setup fpr that
[16:37] <cagmz> Here's a PNG: https://www.lucidchart.com/publicSegments/view/7034dec9-a2aa-4256-8736-e4609a7fd2de/image.png
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[16:38] <Bilby> cagmz: I wouldn't do either. You go from a logical / data diagram to a pin / hardware one
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[16:39] <Tenkawa> Bilby: oh? nice
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[16:39] <Tenkawa> got a link handy?
[16:39] <Bilby> take the top one, remove the "GPIO Pins" blob, rename the segment coming in as the GPIO library you're using or just leave it blank
[16:39] <Tenkawa> ahhh
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[16:39] <Bilby> rename the outgoing segment as "GPIO Pin"
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[16:40] <Tenkawa> we're looking at building a scoreboard that could really use that
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[16:41] <Bilby> Tenkawa: nice. You can always use a GPIO pin of course but if you're short pins or in a pinch that would be helpful. You find a link?
[16:41] <cagmz> Bilby, webui -> rpi -> _gpio pins_ (arrow text) -> open sprinkler pi?
[16:41] <Tenkawa> Bilby: not yet
[16:41] <Bilby> or just "GPIO" instead of "GPIO Pins" since it's redundant
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[16:42] <Bilby> Tenkawa: http://www.jeffgeerling.com/blogs/jeff-geerling/controlling-pwr-act-leds-raspberry-pi
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[16:45] <Kanerix> Why are there amd/radeon drivers in the rpi kernel?
[16:46] <Kanerix> also intel i915
[16:46] <Kanerix> and nouveau
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[16:46] <meiamsome> What if somebody plugs in their graphics card?
[16:46] <Kanerix> ...to what?
[16:46] <meiamsome> Errrrrr :D
[16:47] <Kanerix> yeah
[16:47] <Habbie> pci over gpio
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[16:47] <Kanerix> /shudder
[16:47] <shauno> where are you seeing these?
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[16:48] <Kanerix> I'm looking through the rpi kernel sources on https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/tree/rpi-4.4.y/drivers
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[16:49] <meiamsome> Okay so:
[16:49] <shauno> they'll be in the source tree because it's the linux source. and linux runs on more platforms than just the pi
[16:49] <Kanerix> They're still getting updated, though
[16:49] <meiamsome> One of these: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16839158028CVF
[16:49] <meiamsome> and one of these: http://www.hwtools.net/Adapter/Discontinued_PE4.html
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[16:49] <shauno> right, they'll be updated whenever it pulls in from the kernel proper
[16:50] <Habbie> Kanerix, maintaining a forked kernel is actually easier if you also accept all the changes you don't care about
[16:50] <Habbie> meiamsome, lol, awesome
[16:50] <Kanerix> okay then
[16:50] <Kanerix> the USB to PCIe thing is horrifying, however
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[16:51] <Tenkawa> oops
[16:51] <Tenkawa> wrong button
[16:51] <Kanerix> You're going to need some help powering the GPU, I think
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[16:52] <Kanerix> Can I complain yet about not being able to get vc4 working on that kernel version?
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[16:53] <shauno> (you can likely can't chain those two products .. the pci->expresscard->usb mess lol)
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[16:54] <Kanerix> If they both follow spec perfectly and you can find a way to fulfill the massive power requirements of a pcie card, maybe
[16:55] <Kanerix> I don't think it would be very effective
[16:55] <shauno> expresscard exposed usb2 and pcie in the same slot
[16:55] <shauno> so most likely the usb adaptor is just letting you fit expresscard shaped usb devices into a regular usb socket. but not touching the pcie side of things at all
[16:56] <shauno> and the pcie breakout is doing the same thing with the other half of the bus
[16:56] <Kanerix> pcmcia was kind of a mess all the way around
[16:56] <Kanerix> Especially the acronym/initialism
[16:57] <TheLostAdmin> .
[16:57] <TheLostAdmin> That preceding was expressed by my cat.
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[16:59] <Bilby> I've seen some pretty cool mPCIe and thunderbolt adapters that go to PCI-E and offer good results
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[16:59] <Bilby> though obviously not on a Pi lol
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[16:59] <Kanerix> Are people aware of vc4 issues with 4.4 kernel or is it just me?
[17:00] <Kanerix> I can only do software glx after updating
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[17:00] <Kanerix> Attempting to enable the driver in config.txt on the new kernel results in no video output at all (I don't get rainbow, the signal just drops and I get monitor power save mode)
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[17:03] <Kanerix> I was hoping I would get more stable glx with the new kernel. So far, minecraft doesn't completely crash the machine anymore, but everything is running in software.
[17:03] <Kanerix> glxgears is pretty messed up looking in software
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[17:11] <Sonny_Jim> Bah
[17:12] <Sonny_Jim> Stupid SD slot on the Pi 1 is always flakey
[17:12] <Sonny_Jim> Seems like the pins don't make contact properly
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[17:13] <Kanerix> I think that's why they changed to a different connector on subsequent models
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[17:16] <Rukus> hello
[17:18] <Rukus> I have a raspberry pi 3 and I have two left over heat sinks from a pi 2. one larger one, and one smaller one. I know where to put the larger sink, but where should u put the smaller one? its sized for the ethernet controller chip, but some have said to put it on the other side on the ram
[17:18] <Rukus> whats best? whats necessary for overclocking?
[17:19] <traeak> are they still going to manuf the pi2 or is that pretty much gone ?
[17:19] <traeak> oh and does minetest run on the rpi ?
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[17:19] <Rukus> traek do you want a pi 2 if the pi 3 exists for less money / same price ?
[17:20] <Rukus> traeak:
[17:20] <traeak> only negative i see with pi3 is power and heat
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[17:21] <traeak> if it can be force throttled to run comparable with rpi2 within the same envelope then
[17:21] <Rukus> traeak: thats true, but that power and heat dissipate if you clock it like a pi 2?
[17:21] <traeak> no reason, but there's lot sof rpi2's out there and i have one :-p
[17:21] <Rukus> sorry i accidentally a word
[17:21] <mfa298> I can see some commercial entities staying with the pi2 if they've got a system designed for it, but for home users/ new projects most people would go for the pi3
[17:22] <traeak> has anyone started making rpi3 specific distros yet which use any of the new instruction set?
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[17:22] <Rukus> mfa298: it looks to me that upgrading to the pi3 from pi 2 hasnt become a compatability issues tho
[17:22] <Rukus> unless, the move to 64 bit is
[17:22] <Rukus> so n/m
[17:22] <traeak> commercial entities of course buy in batches and target specific platforms
[17:23] <traeak> i wouldn't count on 64bit rpi3, maybe it will happen but likely rpi4 would be more 64bit clean
[17:23] <Rukus> anyway, should i put my second heat sink on the RAM or the other chip near the CPU?
[17:23] <traeak> considering the release cycle seems to have gone yearly
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[17:24] <Rukus> traeak: i see upgrading to 64bit necessary when we have 4 gb ram or at least a 64 bit gpu
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[17:24] <mfa298> depends on how much testing those places want to do bfore pushing stuff out the door - if you've got lots systems deployed doing the same thing theres a huge benefit in making them all the same (reduces the testing you have to do)
[17:24] <traeak> honestly though, if i were a company i would do everything possible to target the rpi0, just due to cost, power and size
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[17:25] <traeak> Rukus: well, the new avilable instruction set with armv8a is nice to use, its not only about 64bit
[17:25] <traeak> and virtual address space is nice to have
[17:25] <traeak> don't belittle that
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[17:26] <mfa298> traeak: that really depends on what you're doing though, if you want ethernet and camera the pi0 is a bad choice, but then the pi1b could do for you.
[17:26] <traeak> anyways
[17:26] <traeak> as metioend, the rpi series right now is a project board
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[17:26] <traeak> not a desktop one
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[17:27] <traeak> the odroid is better set up for that but suffers from all the fun these arm SOCs suffer from, (mostly ARM and GPU stupidity)
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[17:28] <Rukus> traeak: ah ok. I'm quite new to programming with the pi. So far I love it for a media centre
[17:28] <Rukus> in canada, the cheapest board to purchase is the pi 3
[17:29] <Sonny_Jim> sheesh
[17:29] <traeak> for a desktop i think i'm still stuck with intel, specifically a converted chromebox
[17:29] <mfa298> pi3 isn't far off being desktop ready, I reckon its comparible to my few years old net top pc, the main difference being the nettop can boot from an ssd, is intel (so can run windows) and has 4gb ram. speed/gpu wise im not sure they're that different
[17:29] <Sonny_Jim> First off, 64bit doesn't always equate to faster
[17:30] <Sonny_Jim> second, I'm not utterly convinced a heatsink is needed unless you are putting the Pi on top of an oven or something
[17:30] <Rukus> traeak: as a mediacentre user, yeah i was dissapointed to see no GPU updates. but i understand thats not hte most important part of the pi when it comes to actually using the pi for most purposes
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[17:30] <traeak> not always, but it does equate to more flexible. coding for 64bit i rely much more on the OS to do paging for me
[17:30] <traeak> instead of jacking with crap like manually loading and unloading shit from memory
[17:31] <traeak> same problem during 16bit days
[17:31] <traeak> when 32bit showed up
[17:31] <Rukus> Sonny_Jim: if i overlock to around 1450, would heat sinks be necessary?
[17:31] <traeak> but that's more specific to what i'm doing normally day to day
[17:31] <Sonny_Jim> It just reminds me of the Atari Jaguar
[17:31] <Sonny_Jim> It's got 64bits so it must be better, right?
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[17:32] <traeak> no idea, what does 64bit mean on the jaguar
[17:32] <Sonny_Jim> heh
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[17:32] <traeak> i know *exactly* what it means for x86 desktop use
[17:32] <traeak> but i also develop on machine with 128GB ram and i use that ram
[17:32] <Sonny_Jim> Not much, from what I remember most of it was 16bit anyway, the 64bit stuff was just marketing, like 'blast processing'
[17:33] <Rukus> 64 is mostly necessary for handling large chunks of memory, correct?
[17:33] <traeak> and a big chunk of it i use virtually and the OS pages it in and out for me
[17:33] <Sonny_Jim> Rukus: If you find you need to overclock to that speed, I would spend the money on a more suitable board
[17:33] <traeak> so i don't have to do it myself
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[17:33] <traeak> but i do specifically push that stuff onto the kernel and OS
[17:35] <Rukus> Sonny_Jim: you're correct. I'm just trying to see if HEVC is possible at 24p at 720/1080p
[17:36] <Sonny_Jim> WTH is HEVC?
[17:36] <Rukus> h265
[17:36] <Sonny_Jim> and 24p for that matter
[17:36] <Rukus> video
[17:36] <Sonny_Jim> erm
[17:36] <Rukus> 24p = 24hz
[17:36] * Sonny_Jim steps away slowly
[17:36] <Rukus> = 24fps
[17:36] <Sonny_Jim> right
[17:36] <Sonny_Jim> So why not say 24fps?
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[17:37] <Rukus> because, with everything i work with its called 24p
[17:37] <Sonny_Jim> Do you get bonus points for being more obscure or something?
[17:37] <Sonny_Jim> Where do you work?
[17:37] <Rukus> but i can help you out with that
[17:37] <Rukus> if you're too much of an asshole or to simple to understand
[17:37] <Rukus> or if youre not interested in being nice at all
[17:37] * Sonny_Jim shrugs and walks off
[17:37] <Rukus> good.
[17:37] <Rukus> *sigh*
[17:38] <Armand> Sonny_Jim: Gotta love baseless rhetoric, ehh?
[17:38] <Sonny_Jim> I dunno man
[17:38] <Rukus> In video technology, 24p refers to a video format that operates at 24 frames per second
[17:38] <Rukus> its a real thing man
[17:38] <Sonny_Jim> I should've guessed when they wanted to put a heatsink on
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[17:38] <Rukus> its just what it is called when you are working with video
[17:38] <Armand> LMAO
[17:38] <Sonny_Jim> That's normally a big warning flag that they are a ricer
[17:38] <Rukus> lol
[17:38] <Armand> Indeed
[17:39] <Rukus> jesus
[17:39] <Rukus> i didnt realize the pi community was os serious
[17:39] <Sonny_Jim> Also the use of obscure terms so they can feel more l33t
[17:39] <Sonny_Jim> but anyway, please continue
[17:39] * Armand hands Sonny_Jim a Halfords spoiler and some CCFL tubes
[17:39] <Rukus> ricer? really? you are about as bad as the people who make youtube videos of android roms
[17:39] <shauno> we're not that serious. I'm not even wearing matching socks :)
[17:39] <Rukus> lol
[17:39] <Sonny_Jim> lol
[17:39] <Zardoz> <--- is l33t
[17:39] <Rukus> well shit
[17:39] <Rukus> i'm just trying to have an conversation
[17:40] <Rukus> -a
[17:40] <Bilby> #NoDramaLlamas
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[17:40] <Zardoz> Bilby, haha
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[17:40] <Rukus> anyway
[17:41] <Zardoz> mmm pizza on the way
[17:41] * Armand beats Bilby with a dead llama, just because!
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[17:43] <Bilby> hmm... has anyone ever used a Pi to capture raw keyboard data?
[17:43] <Bilby> I'm trying to cap a specific set of keystrokes from an Apple keyboard to see if I can emulate it
[17:43] <Rukus> don't ask Sonny_Jim ; he's in a terrible mood.
[17:43] <kristina> raw keyboard data?
[17:44] <kristina> as in scancodes or usb stuff?
[17:44] <Zardoz> Bilby, like a keyboard logger?
[17:44] <Zardoz> Bilby, should be something
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[17:45] <Sonny_Jim> Bilby: What's the interface on it?
[17:46] <Bilby> It's usb
[17:46] <shauno> it should just be "showkeys -s"
[17:46] <Bilby> I'll try that next time I can get my Pi put together.
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[17:46] <shauno> for scancodes at least. for non-keypress data .. I have no idea
[17:47] <Bilby> On iMacs you can connect another Apple computer to use the display as an external screen
[17:47] <Bilby> but to activate it you have to press CMD-F2 or Fn-CMD-F2 if you don't have hotkeys on
[17:47] <Bilby> but it only works on an apple keyboard, no matter the hotkeys settings. so obviously OSX is looking for something specific
[17:48] <Bilby> I'm hoping I can emulate it on a Pi Zero or an arduino to make a single-button toggle
[17:48] <Sonny_Jim> Ah ok
[17:48] <Sonny_Jim> Might have a problem with that, considering the Pi only does USB host
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[17:49] <Sonny_Jim> You'd probably want to use a microcontroller to do that
[17:49] <shauno> the pi zero does usb-gadget
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[17:49] <swift110> hey all
[17:49] <Zardoz> swift110, o/
[17:49] <Sonny_Jim> Oh that's pretty cool, so it can emulate a USB HID?
[17:50] <Rukus> oh wow cool
[17:50] <Bilby> Yeah, that's one of the tricks of the Zero
[17:50] <Bilby> also supports OTG functions
[17:51] <Bilby> Technically the chips on the other Pis support it too, but because the USB line connects directly to an (internal) hub the functionality is disabled
[17:51] <shauno> there's modules for serial, ethernet, mass-storage, hid, midi and audio. and a userspace driver that can apparently be twisted into eviller tricks
[17:51] * Zardoz clearly needs a Pi Zer0
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[17:51] <Bilby> They're easier to get ahold of now
[17:52] <swift110> how are you Zardoz
[17:52] <shauno> hm, google suggests for your imac, it can be scripted with: osascript -e 'tell application "System Events" to key code 144 using command down'
[17:52] <shauno> so there may be much easier ways to skin this particular cat
[17:52] <Sonny_Jim> Where's the fun in that ;)
[17:52] <Zardoz> swift110, good need to eat somthing though.
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[17:52] <swift110> cool zarathushtra
[17:53] <Rukus> Sonny_Jim: there is no fun. you've sucked it all away you douche
[17:53] <Rukus> :)
[17:53] <Bilby> shauno: Oh neat, didn't think about doing it programmatically :P
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[17:53] <Bilby> ty
[17:53] <Zardoz> ok, be back in a little...
[17:53] <Sonny_Jim> Might have to give you a warning about your language Rukus
[17:53] <Rukus> Sonny_Jim: thanks.
[17:54] <Rukus> Sonny_Jim: I'm just here to learn, not pick fights with men who live in their mothers basements
[17:54] <Rukus> Sonny_Jim: I'm just here to learn, not pick fights with men who live in their mothers basements
[17:54] <traeak> fight fight ?
[17:54] <Rukus> haha
[17:54] <Rukus> didnt meant to post that twice
[17:55] <Rukus> anyway, thanks for the good convo earlier, traeak
[17:55] <Armand> Rukus: Right... back to the basement with you!
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[17:55] <Rukus> haha
[17:55] <Rukus> no way man, i have my own living room and couch
[17:55] <Armand> Moving up in the world, ehh? ;)
[17:55] <traeak> really? i guess, np heh
[17:55] <shauno> I wish I had a basement. that'd solve so many problems
[17:56] <Rukus> Armand: yeah man, literally. its on the second floor og my condo building
[17:56] <Armand> Me too.. with the building I'm in, I could park around 300 cars in it. :P
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[17:56] <Rukus> Armand: we park about 60 in the underground parking
[17:56] <Rukus> :P
[17:56] <DrunkenDwarf> Hi all. Im working on a python flask project. Does running a flask which listens to a port keep the wifi hardware active? I.e, transfer of data causes a power consumption spike, is this present when just listening to a port?
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[17:57] <Armand> The apartment building I'm in is on the side of a shopping complex.
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[17:57] <Rukus> mine is on the outskirts of town with a view of the Canadian Rockies
[17:57] <Armand> Sorry, not actively "in" right now... but where I live with my wife. ^_^
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[17:58] <swift110> ok back sorry about that
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[17:59] <Rukus> Armand: a shopping complex attached is either convenient or annoying
[17:59] <Rukus> which one?
[17:59] <Armand> Ohh, we're on the quiet side. lol
[17:59] <Rukus> i like my "quiet" even tho i live in a Condo, its a quiet condo
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[17:59] <Rukus> got ya
[17:59] <shauno> doesn't sound like an either/or to me. sounds like it'd be convenient when I want it, and inconvenient when I don't
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[18:00] <Armand> Best part, crawling distance to the nearest pub. :D
[18:00] <Armand> Cinema is literally 30 seconds walk.
[18:00] <traeak> have a huge basement, probably will move the office into there
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[18:00] <Rukus> now thats awesome, the nearest pub to here is walking distance anyway. and its just a couple more block to the lake where the strip of bars is
[18:00] <Rukus> (i live in a tourist town)
[18:00] <traeak> my killa-watt says my 2 dual xeon boxes only use ~4 to 6 amps or so which
[18:00] <shauno> I'd love a basement. having soldering iron & associated gubbins spread across the kitchen table is proving quite unpopular
[18:01] <Armand> I'm in Maidenhead, Berkshire.. Just outside London.
[18:01] <traeak> actually 3 amps idle together
[18:01] <Rukus> shauno: i know man, not having a basement has slowed me down on alot of projects. i live in a 1000sqft condo, with my wife and a 1 yr old
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[18:01] <Armand> shauno: We have 2 bedrooms, so I'm claiming part of that for my desk. :D
[18:01] <Armand> *part of the second room
[18:01] <Rukus> and my son has the other bedroom
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[18:01] <swift110> ok
[18:01] <swift110> sorry about that
[18:02] <Bilby> I had to pick between a basement and a garage the last time we moved, picked the garage
[18:02] <Bilby> only occaisonally annoying
[18:02] <Armand> I'd take the garage
[18:02] <Rukus> yeah, i want an acreage tbh
[18:02] <niston> first broken thing delivered by aliexpress
[18:02] <Rukus> with a large shop
[18:02] <niston> after some 30 orders
[18:02] <shauno> yeah. for my uses, a garage is a basement with a door :)
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[18:02] <niston> one keyfob came with empty batteries. :/
[18:02] <Rukus> shauno: yeah man. its not always for cars
[18:02] <Armand> shauno: I don't see many basements in the UK, so.. :/
[18:03] <niston> Bilby o/¨
[18:03] <Rukus> I'm in Sylvan Lake, AB, Canada
[18:03] <Rukus> so basements and garages are a huge thing here
[18:03] <niston> DrunkenDwarf: it shouldnt
[18:03] <shauno> Armand, really? about half the places I've lived have had one. the disappearance seems to be very post-war
[18:03] <niston> ie listening port shouldnt cosume power on the wifi subsystem
[18:03] <niston> consume*
[18:03] <Armand> Rukus: The town we're in is somewhat... cramped..
[18:04] <Armand> shauno: Yup
[18:04] <niston> not unless there is traffic to/from that port
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[18:05] <shauno> DrunkenDwarf: if you're really trying to scrape at the mA, I'd try a network capture to get an idea of what else is using the network
[18:05] <shauno> transmitting should require a lot more current than receiving, but you'll usually find the network is doing a lot more than you think it is
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[18:06] <Bilby> niston, how goes it?
[18:06] <Bilby> progress on the ui?
[18:06] <Rukus> Armand: yeah i totally understand. isn't there some sort of "right of way" law (i might be getting this wrong) where people will or have to allow people access across your land/yards
[18:06] <Rukus> jsut because things are so tight
[18:07] <niston> Bilby: tired
[18:07] <Rukus> i mean in Canada, we have millions of acres of crown land for everyone to make use of freely
[18:07] <niston> logged 58 hours last week
[18:07] <niston> plus about 20 hours I didnt log
[18:07] <niston> today 3 hours sleep
[18:07] <niston> :/
[18:07] <shauno> right-of-way tends to be when a route existed before you. it doesn't have to be cramped
[18:08] <shauno> (I recal a local golfcourse that had a public bridlepath through it, because the path pre-existed them, and buying the land didn't overrule it)
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[18:09] <Bilby> niston: whoa. crazy deadline on this or just other things taking up your time?
[18:09] <niston> Bilby: which UI you mean?
[18:09] <niston> the thing for the signal gen?
[18:09] <Bilby> the one you're working on
[18:10] <niston> yes
[18:10] <niston> I made an object oriented system going on top of pygame
[18:10] <niston> Gui->Pages->Elements
[18:10] <niston> where Elements can be Buttons, Textboxes etc
[18:10] <niston> my "customers" were impressed :)
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[18:11] <niston> I retain the copyright and put it under MIT license (thats why I didnt log the hours)
[18:11] <niston> so expect it to be available shortly on my blog or something :>
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[18:12] <niston> as for deadlines, no, just heaps of things going on
[18:13] <DrunkenDwarf> niston: shauno thanks. .. ill probably have to suck it up anyway, im gonna require some fort of server if I wanna implement monitoring the pi over network
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[18:14] <Bilby> Aha, gotcha
[18:14] <TheLostAdmin> I'm sure it was a spelling mistake, but "some fort of server" makes me picture you moving all the racks around in a server-room to make a castle in the middle of the room.
[18:15] <shauno> or just lock the doors on the hacs :)
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[18:15] <Rukus> I'm quite new to the raspberry pi and doing useful things with it other than a media centre. Does anyone have any advice on making a "dashboard" ? i want to make "live bulletin board" i can put on the wall that can have reminders, google calendar, etc.
[18:15] <niston> Bilby: their boss was impressed, too. so much that he contacted me today that I should look into LoRa M2M stuff
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[18:16] <niston> he wants me to build a base station
[18:16] <Rukus> anyone have any advice? i was gonna use raspbian pi, with chrome and the ichrome extension
[18:16] <Rukus> keeping it simple
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[18:20] <Bilby> LoRa looks crazy.
[18:20] <shauno> no specific advice, but 'kiosk' is the magic word to find about more than that on google (eg, raspberry browser kiosk). seems to be the accepted term for booting straight to a fullscreen browser
[18:20] <Rukus> shauno: thank you, i might have better luck with that info
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[18:21] <shauno> might want to look at the glut of 'magic mirror' projects too, since they're exactly what you're describing, but hidden behind some plexi
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[18:22] <Rukus> yeah that too
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[18:23] <Rukus> thanks shauno. my wife always forget her appts, and has about a 1000 sticky notes everywhere. so this would be good for her
[18:23] <Rukus> maybe
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[18:24] <shauno> heh. in our house, it'd just give her something else to hang the stickies on :/
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[18:24] <Rukus> shauno, i've been thinking that too. it might be more novelty than useful.
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[18:25] <niston> Bilby: yeah
[18:25] <niston> but interesting.
[18:25] <niston> seems like this thing will be deployed widely in industrial/commercial installations
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[18:31] <Armand> Rukus: Not sure on that one.. Not that it matters to me, there's no land attached to our place.
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[18:32] <Rukus> Armand: oh ok. doesnt matter anyway :)
[18:32] <Armand> Not for me. :D
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[18:47] <TheLostAdmin> Huh, that magic mirror thing looks like the first "internet of things" thing I might actually want.
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[18:48] <Rukus> yeah man. although just having a monitor in a frame, without the mirror is more useful. unless you really want the mirror.... but there are way more amazing things peole do with a pi i'm sure
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[18:49] <TheLostAdmin> I'm sure there are way more amazing things. Specifically, though, I usually end up logging in to my computer first thing in the morning to check the weather before heading out. Having that info on the mirror while I'm brushing my hair might be handy.
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[18:52] <Rukus> TheLostAdmin: yeah, thats a good point
[18:52] <shauno> I Think the main trick with the mirror is "wife acceptance factor"
[18:53] <shauno> I can get away with hanging a mirror in the halway. less so a spare monitor
[18:53] <Roonix> It's nowhere near as cool without the mirror!
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[18:53] <Roonix> plus its not magic :D
[18:53] <Rukus> Roonix: a mirror would be pretty cool
[18:53] <Rukus> i am starting to see
[18:53] <Rukus> :P
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[18:55] <shauno> I've started messing around with iot-y things, but so far they're all pretty passive
[18:56] <shauno> so two temperature sensors and a barometer that just do broadcast udp. anything that wants the data can just listen in
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[18:58] <Rukus> a magic mirror with a weather station would be cool. i mean if you need weather accurate at your home
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[18:59] <shauno> my weather's pretty simple. if the barometer's going up, it might be okay. if it's staying up, it might be nice. and if it's going down, it's not gonna be nice at all
[19:00] <Rukus> haha
[19:00] <shauno> but I'm on the atlantic coast of ireland. we don't get complex weather. it's just a question of "how wet"
[19:00] <Rukus> my friend has one of those liquid ones
[19:00] <traeak> yup
[19:00] <traeak> compared to the arid high plains up against the mountains
[19:01] <shauno> well, I mean the last place I lived was michigan. where most the winter weather was an interplay between canadian wind and the lakes
[19:01] <traeak> a few weeks ago it was 27C around noon
[19:01] <shauno> here, it's just rain. you could pencil "cloudy with a chance of rain" on the wall and have it 95% accurate
[19:01] <TheLostAdmin> I'm on the other side of those lakes. Weather can get pretty complicated.
[19:01] <traeak> 24 hours later there was about 40cm of snow sticking on the roads
[19:02] <TheLostAdmin> Not quite that complicated.
[19:02] <Rukus> yeah i get chinook winds here
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[19:02] <Rukus> i live in alberta, canada, if you dont like the weather, wait 5 minutes
[19:02] <Rukus> thats the ongoing joke
[19:03] <shauno> here, it's "if you don't like the weather, move"
[19:03] <Rukus> high of 26C today, mid april
[19:03] <TheLostAdmin> I've spent a lot of time in Calgary. It's not a joke.
[19:03] <Rukus> thats not bad
[19:03] <Rukus> TheLostAdmin: knows
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[19:03] <shauno> normally we get a nice week or two around easter, and a nice week or two at the end of summer. last year, they forgot summer :/
[19:03] <Rukus> normally we get 9 months of winter
[19:03] <Rukus> :P
[19:04] <Rukus> ok its not that bad
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[19:04] <Rukus> but we make the most of our 3 best months, june, july, aug
[19:04] <shauno> I miss having seasons
[19:05] <TheLostAdmin> If it was always nice, I would be willing to give up on the seasons.
[19:05] <shauno> I dunno. snow's fun for the first few weeks
[19:05] <TheLostAdmin> I can go visit snow.
[19:05] <shauno> in MI there's real season. white, melt, summer, rain
[19:06] <shauno> here .. winter is mostly like summer, with a lot less daylight
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[19:06] <Rukus> i'm only 2-3 hours from Banff, and two ski hills
[19:07] <Rukus> so snow is nice
[19:07] <Rukus> and snowmobiling is huge here
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[19:08] <traeak> calgary weather is like here in denver, you guys are lower elevation so you don't get all the hail we do...of course your winters are colder
[19:09] <GrandPa-G> I guess I shouldn't mention we should get to 95F 35C today then so I won't.
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[19:09] <TheLostAdmin> Depends on how much you like unexpected visitors, GrandPa-G.
[19:10] <GrandPa-G> you mean the in-laws?
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[19:10] <TheLostAdmin> No, me.
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[19:10] <shauno> we have an unusually warm 15C here. on the scale of dark grey to light grey, it ain't half bad
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[19:11] <Voop> up north where I used to live we had like 2 months of summer
[19:11] <GrandPa-G> a few years back, a weather person stated in our summer time - "Gee it should reach 120F today, but with the wind chill factor it will only feel like 119"
[19:11] <Voop> moved down south(er) and people here and the sight of snow is the apocolypse to these people
[19:11] <Voop> act
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[19:15] <Bilby> Oof, simultanious lol and cringe (some nsfw language - angry Australian) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5CQUy3OKL4
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[19:45] <kristina> grrrr.
[19:45] <kristina> if broadcom could release like 4-5 pages of docs, arm bringup would be so much less painful.
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[19:52] <green_snow> is a 5v 2a power supply enough for rpi3?
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[19:57] <MY123> Windows 10 Mobile on Raspberry Pi
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[19:57] <Voop> windows 10 mobile OS is trash
[19:57] <MY123> Voop: nah
[19:57] <Voop> can you put it on a PI?
[19:58] <MY123> Voop: yes
[19:58] <MY123> and it's much more complete than IoT
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[20:00] <Habbie> MY123, url?
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[20:01] <MY123> Habbie: I only have the FFU ;)
[20:01] <MY123> (build)
[20:01] <Habbie> ah
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[20:01] <Habbie> not public yet?
[20:01] <MY123> Habbie: I can upload that if you want
[20:01] <MY123> Habbie: nah, I did it myself using the MS OEM tools
[20:01] <Habbie> that doesn't sound like something you can legally share
[20:02] <JDAIII> So, I've got a rpi2 on my desk being used as a nagios server. It's not really being utilized above 3% CPU so I'm trying to think of other tasks for our company that we can do with it. Any ideas?
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[20:02] <Habbie> JDAIII, a nice status screen for nagios?
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[20:02] <Habbie> JDAIII, or, of course, accept that idleness is fine for machines
[20:02] <Habbie> JDAIII, if you double the number of checks on it you're likely to go way beyond that 3%
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[20:03] <JDAIII> Habbie, and maybe a status screen for the status screen? And maybe a nagiosgraph for how many clicks I do on the rpi to check the status screen of the status screen?
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[20:03] <Habbie> JDAIII, well, one thing at a time ;)
[20:03] <Habbie> maybe add some moving graphs
[20:03] <Habbie> if you are worried about not using enough CPU
[20:03] <Habbie> ;)
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[20:03] <Habbie> if your office is cold this won't fix it ;)
[20:04] <JDAIII> dammit, it's arctic in here and I just wanted a heater
[20:05] <JDAIII> Just anything. I was thinking of making it an LDAP server for our linux servers, but I'm the only person who ever logs into them, so no reason to spend the time on that.
[20:05] <Habbie> no, that's just a thing that will go broken if you leave someday and everybody will be unhappy
[20:05] <JDAIII> job security
[20:05] <Habbie> hehe
[20:05] <Habbie> not my flavour of job security
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[20:07] <JDAIII> the concept of an rpi is great, but I cannot find enough things to do with it in the office. Boss saw me loading plex client on another rpi(personal) and scowled at me
[20:08] <Habbie> well, that seems like the wrong way around
[20:08] <Habbie> 'how do i put more pi to use in the office' is not how business tends to work
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[20:09] <JDAIII> Boss wanted an rpi based nagios server so I built it, but 97% of it's potential is being wasted. Maybe I will make an NTP server for the office network
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[20:12] <Habbie> or you could consider that for 40 bucks it is living up to its potential just fine
[20:12] <Habbie> nagios can execute at full speed
[20:12] <JDAIII> slow day in the office. All servers are running smoothly but busy on tasks so I cannot do anything until the tasks are finished and trying to find something to do really. And the rpi is on my desk asking for more responsibility in this work environment.
[20:12] <Habbie> nothing is slowing it down
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[20:13] <JDAIII> I could find my boss' USB nintendo controller and load mame on it I guess.
[20:13] <Habbie> i'm sure he would approve ;)
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[20:14] <myke> JDAIII: 97% of its potential has a capital value of maybe $40 and operating cost of about zero
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[20:14] <myke> which is why arm is going to take over for cloud servers
[20:15] <myke> trying to apply its resources is based in a mindset where cpus are expensive investments
[20:16] <JDAIII> myke, I'm bored and want to make it do more things to give me more time to get bored and do more useless projects. yes, I heard myself
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[20:17] <myke> do you have a display on it?
[20:17] <MY123> Do anyone here want to test Windows 10 Mobile for the Raspberry Pi?
[20:19] <Habbie> if i had a 3 :)
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[20:19] * phil42 still hasn't gotten over the thing where windows 10 is supposed to be free on the pi and then it is the part that lets you use a pi as a light switch or something like that that is free
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[20:20] <JDAIII> myke, I do have a monitor hooked up to it, with a keyboard and mouse because I had extras of each.
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[20:21] <myke> JDAIII: do you have it set up as a thin client yet? vncviewer, rdesktop, and X over ssh
[20:21] <JDAIII> not yet, I just ssh into it for everything from the terminal.
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[20:22] <myke> can always play ghetto minecraft
[20:22] <Bilby> phil42: did you see where microsoft may be parterning with a major microboard manufacturer to offer a Win IoT kit? that's pretty exciting imo
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[20:29] <Voop> MY123, kinda
[20:30] <Voop> minecraft is abysmal in the pi
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[20:31] <myke> it doesn't even have bedrock
[20:32] <Voop> i dont remember it even having crafting
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[20:36] <Bilby> Isn't it a freeware version from a pretty old fork?
[20:37] <myke> i guess the point is to be a barebones engine you add to
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[21:10] <sharperguy> Hi. I just got an rpi3 and latest raspbian. The thing is I'm using UART to configure everything. I'd like to enable wlan but I'm not sure how. It seems the interface "wlan0" doesn't exist?
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[21:16] <sharperguy> wait i have a keyboard mouse and hdmi tv
[21:16] <sharperguy> i guess that also works
[21:16] <sharperguy> im a kernel dev so naturally i want to do everything the hard way
[21:16] <Habbie> hehehe
[21:16] <Habbie> usb and hdmi won't magically make wlan0 appear though ;)
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[21:17] <kristina> doesn't using WiFi require changing some pin mux setting that makes UART unusuable or am I thinking of something else?
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[21:17] <sharperguy> well the might now show up if they're manged by networkmanager?
[21:17] <sharperguy> kristina: i tought that was bluetooth
[21:18] <Bilby> iirc the wlan0 interface should be active automatically
[21:18] <kristina> maybe, i don't actually know.
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[21:19] <Bilby> sharperguy: You have the most recent raspibian build?
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[21:19] <Bilby> what do you get if you run ifconfig -a
[21:19] <Bilby> ?
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[21:20] <sharperguy> Bilby: just eth0 and loop
[21:20] <sharperguy> Bilby: its the latest release from the website
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[21:21] <Bilby> hmm
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[21:22] <sharperguy> yeah the gui isnt any better informed
[21:22] <sharperguy> let me check that the seller didnt send me and old rpi lol
[21:23] <sharperguy> yeah nevermind its an rpi2
[21:24] <sharperguy> argh
[21:24] <sharperguy> this isnt what i wanted
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[21:24] <sharperguy> well thanks guys :)
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[21:25] <ChunkzZ> hey.
[21:25] <myke> oh hey the rpi3 has wifi onboard
[21:25] <myke> neat
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[21:27] <ChunkzZ> myke, indeed
[21:27] <ChunkzZ> hopefully ordering my rpi3 tomorrow. still checking for the zero stock -.-
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[21:29] <Sonny_Jim> I'm quite tempted by a Zero considering it'll do USB HID
[21:30] <ChunkzZ> yeah, good luck. not in stock anywhere!
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[21:31] <Sonny_Jim> https://solarbotics.com/product/52078/
[21:31] <Sonny_Jim> There's one there
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[21:31] <Sonny_Jim> Another 4 here
[21:31] <Sonny_Jim> http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/111970074707
[21:31] <Sonny_Jim> etc etc
[21:32] <Sonny_Jim> So they are around, just maybe not at a good price
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[21:33] <ChunkzZ> does raspbian use "swap" ?
[21:33] <Sonny_Jim> Yes
[21:33] <shauno> regular places seem to still be getting them weekly. pihut should be this week
[21:33] <Sonny_Jim> top will show it
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[21:34] <ChunkzZ> how can I disable it? sudo swapoff -a?
[21:34] <Sonny_Jim> swapoff iirc
[21:34] <Sonny_Jim> yeah
[21:34] <Sonny_Jim> Why do you want to disable it?
[21:34] <ChunkzZ> testing something :P brb
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[21:55] <emilio189> all sleeping
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[21:59] <ChunkzZ> yay, it worked. XD
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[22:05] <SyncYourDogmas> itll use ram instead though :(
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[22:05] <ChunkzZ> SyncYourDogmas, ?
[22:05] <SyncYourDogmas> turning off swap right?
[22:05] <ChunkzZ> oh, yeah.
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[22:06] <ChunkzZ> trying to find tips to speed my pi up :p
[22:07] <ziddey> ChunkzZ, what sd card?
[22:07] <shauno> killing swap rarely speeds things up. it just means you waste ram on things that are never accessed
[22:07] <ChunkzZ> ziddey, sandisk ultra class 10
[22:08] <ChunkzZ> main thing I need is a decent web browser.
[22:08] <shauno> (if you're hitting slowdowns because stuff that's being used is being paged, no swap means things will get killed instead)
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[22:09] <ChunkzZ> what web browsers do you guys use?
[22:09] <ziddey> lynx
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[22:09] <ChunkzZ> heh
[22:09] <ChunkzZ> lynx = no proxy. no images etc.
[22:09] <ziddey> ascii porn is good enough for me
[22:09] <ChunkzZ> lmao
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[22:12] <SyncYourDogmas> ChunkzZ: run pstreee
[22:12] <SyncYourDogmas> youll often see a lot if crap you dont need
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[22:13] <SyncYourDogmas> shauno: no swap means a swap file is used instead, with a less efficient fs, I think
[22:14] <ChunkzZ> ?
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[22:16] <SyncYourDogmas> if theres no more space in RAM, memory has to go somewhere
[22:17] <shauno> it doesn't have to. oomkiller can strike instead
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[22:18] <SyncYourDogmas> in windows a swapfile is used I think always, linux gives you choice of either file or partition optimised for it
[22:18] <SyncYourDogmas> on raspian?
[22:19] <shauno> appears to use dphys-swapfile by default, but you can use no swap
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[22:20] <SyncYourDogmas> whats the advantage to it? page table is still checked so no speed up
[22:20] <shauno> imho, no advantage. if swap's a performance issue, it's a symptom not a cause
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[22:22] <davor> hi. does anyone here happen to have a pibow 3 coupé?
[22:22] <SyncYourDogmas> yeah, ram is the one thing I splash out on
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[22:30] <nickgaw> Hi How fast is the model 3 board as currently I own the model b the one with the full sized SD card and does the 3 require the micro sized SD card as I have both a full sized and a micro sized one?
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[22:31] <shauno> if you're still on the first models, "about 10 times as fast"
[22:32] <nickgaw> Will binaries compiled on model b run on the 3?
[22:32] <SyncYourDogmas> cpu wise?
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[22:33] <shauno> most things will run without modification, yeah. you'll just need to make sure the OS itself is up-to-date
[22:34] <nickgaw> Does the 3 use the micro SD card or the full sized one?
[22:34] <ChunkzZ> micro
[22:35] <nickgaw> How much ram does the 3 have?
[22:36] <ChunkzZ> 1gb
[22:36] <ChunkzZ> check the specs online...
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[22:36] <nickgaw> As I am totally blind I am also wondering does the 3 have audio output?
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[22:37] <swift110> hey
[22:37] <SyncYourDogmas> it will do
[22:37] <SyncYourDogmas> the first pi A did
[22:38] <ChunkzZ> your blind and on irc, okay.
[22:38] <ChunkzZ> :p
[22:38] <Bilby> *yawn*
[22:38] <nickgaw> My computer runnling linux have a screen reader which turns text into speech.
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[22:39] <ChunkzZ> Bilby, we keeping you awake??
[22:39] <ChunkzZ> nickgaw, and how're you texting?
[22:40] <Tenkawa> Bilby: at least this weather is so much better
[22:40] <nickgaw> Some work has been done for the blind with the raspberry pi but not sure if they are up to speed on the 3 or not but I usually just ssh into it.
[22:40] <Tenkawa> at least to me
[22:40] <Bilby> nickgaw: Welcome. The Pi 3 does have analog audio output through the 4 conductor 1/8" jack
[22:40] <ChunkzZ> yeah, sunny days.
[22:40] <nickgaw> My computer speaks when I write something but I know the keyboard very well.
[22:40] <SyncYourDogmas> Bilby: instead of hdmi? thats what the A had
[22:41] <Ispira> hmph
[22:41] <Ispira> I was going to use Terminals as my SSH client 'cause it's really fully featured
[22:41] <nickgaw> Does the 3 have any audio input or just output and is the HDMI gone?
[22:41] <myke> it has audio onboard and thru hdmi
[22:41] <myke> onboard also sounds better than the 2
[22:41] <Ispira> however it's using either a different, or older version of ssh protocol so I get "Server does not support diffie-hellman-group1-sha1"
[22:41] <Bilby> nickgaw: The 3 has no audio input, but does have a full-size HDMI
[22:41] <SyncYourDogmas> forward x11 Ispira if you want more
[22:42] <Ispira> I just want something that isn't as basic as putty
[22:42] <Ispira> /kitty
[22:42] <SyncYourDogmas> are you on windows?
[22:42] <davor> does anyone happen to have a pibow case handy?
[22:42] <nickgaw> Could someone not use an USB microphone with the model 3?
[22:42] <Ispira> Yes, preferably I'd like something that's cross platform if possible tho
[22:42] <pksato> all model have only audio output. or none.
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[22:42] <SyncYourDogmas> Ispira: cygwin works well
[22:43] <Ispira> nickgaw: I don't see a specific reason it wouldn't work
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[22:43] <Bilby> nickgaw: You should be able to, most usb microphones will probably use standard drivers
[22:43] <Ispira> SyncYourDogmas: isn't cygwin basically a linux implementation on windows?
[22:43] <myke> there are other pis with mic input, the banana pi
[22:43] <pksato> Any usb audio card can be used as mic input or audio output.
[22:43] <nickgaw> yes it is but I like linux if you are going to use cygwin.
[22:43] <Ispira> I just want a decent fully-featured SSH client.
[22:43] <myke> win10 is getting bash so soon you won't need cygwin
[22:43] <nickgaw> it is not very well done as you are still in windows.
[22:43] <SyncYourDogmas> infernix: yeah, means all the commands are the same, scp works etc
[22:43] <Ispira> I have MSYS 2 installed which is basically the same thing
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[22:44] <nickgaw> true but if you like linux it is best to go to linux.
[22:44] <myke> the win10 bash is containerized so you can apt install the normal linux binaries
[22:44] <myke> not recompile everything like with cygwin
[22:45] <SyncYourDogmas> Ispira: does that do a ssh server?
[22:45] <Ispira> probably SyncYourDogmas
[22:45] <SyncYourDogmas> hard to find on windows
[22:45] <Ispira> i can check
[22:45] <SyncYourDogmas> please :)
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[22:45] <nickgaw> why would someone want to run windows 10 on the raspberrypi?
[22:46] <myke> nickgaw: someone earlier was asking if anyone here wanted to test win10 mobile
[22:46] <shauno> nerdom has a lot of "why not"s :)
[22:46] <MiningInc> nickgaw because they didn't know any better ;-)
[22:46] <myke> everything runs on everything, already or soon
[22:46] <myke> it's great
[22:46] <Ispira> doesn't seem so SyncYourDogmas sorry
[22:47] <Ispira> screenshot in case I didn't see something or don't understand the output of the ssh usage http://prntscr.com/aucc06
[22:47] <nickgaw> The operating system they want you to use on the raspberrypi is still linux right?
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[22:47] <Ispira> if it'll run on the specific arm chip there's no "What they wan't you to use"
[22:47] <Ispira> Raspbian/Linux is the most commonly used and openly available
[22:48] <MiningInc> Exactly Ispira
[22:48] <Ispira> you can also use Windows 10 IoT core
[22:48] <myke> or netbsd
[22:48] <Ispira> and any other OS that runs on the version of ARM :)
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[22:48] <myke> or android apparently
[22:48] <Ispira> Linux is the most recommended/used because of it's vast documentation
[22:48] <nickgaw> there is a net BSD for the raspberrypi?
[22:48] <Ispira> myke: do they have the drivers for the video yet?
[22:48] <myke> Ispira: console works, i didn't try X
[22:48] <Ispira> https://wiki.netbsd.org/ports/evbarm/raspberry_pi/
[22:49] <SyncYourDogmas> Ispira: thanks a lot for checking. and cygwin ssh is as fully featured as any windows one , might be worth checking out :)
[22:49] <myke> hdmi console i mean
[22:49] <MiningInc> Plus, it isn't relevant as to what 'they want you to use'. As long as one is able to run X on Y, someone will be doing it. ;-P
[22:49] <MiningInc> cygwin is definitely worth a look
[22:49] <Ispira> SyncYourDogmas: I already usew MSYS for rust dev, I'm not installing <another> linux-like enviro on my system lol
[22:49] <myke> cygwin is great, esp if you need your win box to be an X server
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[22:49] <Ispira> I have OpenSUSE dual-booted for that kinda stuff haha
[22:49] <MiningInc> Ispira Gotta love VirtualBox, right!
[22:50] <myke> i use my pi to vpn to a win box in a vm on my linux workstation
[22:50] <Tenkawa> bbl
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[22:50] <myke> there's a lot of ways these days
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[22:50] <Ispira> virtualbox is fine and dandy
[22:50] <SyncYourDogmas> Ispira: use MSYS for ssh then...?
[22:50] <Ispira> but it's not native
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[22:50] <SyncYourDogmas> exactly
[22:50] <myke> there is no more native
[22:50] <Ispira> SyncYourDogmas: That goes backwards from what I want :)
[22:50] <myke> it's all about hypervisors now
[22:50] <Ispira> SyncYourDogmas: What I want is a fully featured client/wrapper for SSH
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[22:50] <MiningInc> I was about to dualboot setup my win 10 laptop with kali linux 2.0..then realized i'd be be better off putting it on a VM and use a more 'rounded' Linux OS for dual booting, if still end up wanting/needing that route.
[22:50] <Ispira> like putty only not so ... meh.
[22:51] <myke> Ispira: tabs?
[22:51] <SyncYourDogmas> a GUI?
[22:51] <Ispira> If I can't find what I'm looking for I'm just going to install the OpenSSH binaries directly
[22:51] <shauno> kitty and securecrt seem to be the other two popular options
[22:51] <MiningInc> myke right. Certainly have to love the fact so many options exist at this point in history.
[22:51] <Ispira> and run it from CSS
[22:51] <MiningInc> Oh how we are spoiled . lol
[22:51] <Ispira> Kitty is just putty with some extra fluff
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[22:51] <myke> MiningInc: yes
[22:51] <Ispira> I'll check out SecureCRT
[22:51] <MiningInc> I use Mputty
[22:51] <myke> i would never use securecrt over putty
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[22:51] <myke> are you nuts
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[22:52] <shauno> well, without knowing exactly what "meh" is, they're not really targetted suggestions. just "the ones I've heard of more than once"
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[22:53] <myke> putty is supposed to be meh
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[22:53] <myke> there's a lot of functionality in the configs
[22:53] <MiningInc> myke is secureCRT your go to SSH client
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[22:53] <Sonny_Jim> What's wrong with putty?
[22:53] <Sonny_Jim> Apart from lack of url catching, seems fine to me
[22:53] <MiningInc> nothing is wrong with putty
[22:53] <myke> i always use putty on win
[22:53] <MiningInc> it is just not
[22:53] <Sonny_Jim> The tunneling stuff works pretty good as well
[22:53] <MiningInc> 'cool enough' lol
[22:53] <Sonny_Jim> ah ok
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[22:54] <myke> securecrt is one step above hyperterminal
[22:54] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah you see that with some software. It becomes a 'standard' then hipster people are like "No, I don't use that because X is better"
[22:54] <myke> putty is best of breed
[22:54] <Sonny_Jim> Regardless of whether X is better or not
[22:54] <MiningInc> for the cool kids anyways... I am good with Mtputty/putty for most of what I do from windows machine
[22:54] <Encrypt> Sonny_Jim, Talking about that
[22:55] <MiningInc> Sonny_Jim exactly... Damn hipster kids are taking over everywhere!
[22:55] <myke> if i was hacking up a ssh tunnel based vpn or something i'd probably use openssh for win
[22:55] <Encrypt> Sonny_Jim, My friend hasn't managed to make putty work with FoxyProxy
[22:55] <shauno> I just use putty too. no particular reason, just familiarity
[22:55] <Encrypt> Sonny_Jim, However, it works on Ubuntu (ssh -D ...)
[22:55] <MiningInc> openssh is a win... and myke makes a valid point there... Diff. tool for diff jobs ;-)
[22:55] <myke> everyone uses putty because it's really good and there's nothing to add
[22:55] <Sonny_Jim> A ssh tunnel is not the same as a VPN ;)
[22:55] <myke> i use openvpn for vpns
[22:56] <MiningInc> Sonny_Jim don't tell that to that hipster kid down at starbucks lol
[22:56] <myke> but i've used commercial products back in the day that were just ssh tunneling and routing hacks
[22:56] <Sonny_Jim> Heh
[22:56] <MiningInc> openvpn ftw
[22:56] <Sonny_Jim> I actually saw a kickstarter for a watch the doesn't tell the time
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[22:56] <Sonny_Jim> Like, it's a blank face
[22:56] <MiningInc> Sonny_Jim lmfao
[22:56] <myke> Sonny_Jim: makes sense, like a smartphone that's a terrible phone
[22:56] <MiningInc> you're kidding, right?
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[22:57] <Sonny_Jim> nope
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[22:57] <Sonny_Jim> Lemme grab a link
[22:57] <MiningInc> myke is that a jab at the kickstarter project for the 'smartphone that lacks smarts'
[22:57] <MiningInc> or something like that. lol
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[22:57] <myke> no but my current phone is one of the worst mobile phones i've had
[22:57] <myke> i don't care because i got it to use as a handheld computer
[22:57] <MiningInc> It had only 3 buttons or something and Could only dial out to a few pre-configed numbers , etc.. Basically a cheap pre-pay phone from 90's
[22:58] <Sonny_Jim> http://i.imgur.com/YFjENxA.gifv
[22:58] <myke> but if i wanted a phone i'd get my old nokia going again
[22:58] <Sonny_Jim> Err not that
[22:58] <Sonny_Jim> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/jesperwatch/jesper-the-ultimate-minimalist-watch?ref=category_popular
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[22:58] <Ispira> I want this, only for windows https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.sonelli.juicessh&hl=en
[22:58] <Ispira> /mac/linux
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[22:58] <Sonny_Jim> There's no electronics/display/anything. It's a wrist strap that looks like watch with no face
[22:58] <MiningInc> myke haha, Yeah. I feel many of us make that sacrifice these days... Rather have the handheld computer, aka power. than a good phone. lol.. I only talk on that thing 1% of the time anyways. Rest of time is for Angry Birds, right!? lol
[22:58] <Ispira> nice gui, themable, perf monitoring, etc
[22:58] <Ispira> very nice to use
[22:59] <Sonny_Jim> "The Jesper watch lets its defined polished looks do its explaining as to why it's a staple of modern fashion. Opting out of telling time altogether, the Jesper leaves room for only the essentials that make this watch the statement that it is."
[22:59] <Sonny_Jim> I mean, I can't work out if it's a wind up or not (See what I did there?)
[22:59] <MiningInc> juice ssh is my android client
[22:59] <Ispira> yeah I use it and love it
[22:59] <MiningInc> I have been using it for a long while and really love it
[22:59] <Ispira> now imagine that...for desktop.
[22:59] <SyncYourDogmas> Ispira: I use juice, even paid for it, very well polished app
[22:59] <MiningInc> Sonny_Jim I caught that ;-P
[22:59] <Ispira> https://www.royalapplications.com/ts/win/features
[22:59] <Ispira> this is as close as I've found
[23:00] <Ispira> not for linux but I can deal with using something else on linux
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[23:00] <Ispira> it also does a lot more than SSH, as if I'll ever need it
[23:00] <MiningInc> I need to pay for it... Have yet to do so. Thanks for the reminder. Well worth a few bucks and if that is what keeps those guys making great software. Kudos!
[23:00] <SyncYourDogmas> not a fan of terminals?
[23:00] * Zardoz has returned.
[23:00] <Ispira> I don't mind terminals, but I enjoy GUIs.
[23:01] <Ispira> There's a reason I have a keyboard AND mouse.
[23:01] <MiningInc> Ispira Haha, right. I dabbled/tested a few other functionalities only to realize... 'Yeah, probably never going to use that!' lol
[23:01] <Ispira> WhileB I don't understimate the effectiveness of just using terminal for everything, I like eye candy
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[23:01] <Ispira> and I fully understand that I sacrifice some speed for doing that
[23:01] <shauno> the terminal does seem to be a natural fit for ssh though. I've never felt the need for a gui for it for osx/win
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[23:02] <Ispira> The same reason I use VS Code over something like vim/etc is because it's //prettier// and more enjoyable to use for me
[23:02] <MiningInc> Ispira Who doesn't like a nice GUI... I have been trying to get back to using the Terminal more though. Mostly to re-learn/adapt to linux and using the shell.
[23:02] <Ispira> is ti slower? Yes, by a large margin. Does it make any REAL WORLD difference? Not really.
[23:02] <SyncYourDogmas> lose geek points though
[23:02] <nickgaw> Is there a version of raspbian that does not include X?
[23:03] <Ispira> 2 extra seconds per day that I do development, assuming I live through 80 years of developing daily, that's just 2.5 minutes in my lifetime
[23:03] <SyncYourDogmas> nickgaw: I removed X
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[23:03] <nickgaw> How do you do that?
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[23:04] <Sonny_Jim> Ha, that moment when you try and make up a random hostname to check that your DNS is rejecting stuff properly and it works. foop.plop.com
[23:04] <SyncYourDogmas> theres a command in apt that shows dependencies
[23:04] <nickgaw> ok then just remove those?
[23:04] <shauno> nickgaw: there's a raspbian-lite on the download pages now. doesn't have X out of the box
[23:05] <nickgaw> does it have gcc and other tools?
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[23:05] <SyncYourDogmas> check that first, then just renoce xorg, should be an option to remove dependencies
[23:05] <shauno> it's the same repos. you can add & remove stuff all you like
[23:05] <SyncYourDogmas> its a 5 min job
[23:05] <nickgaw> but does raspbian light have gcc byu default?
[23:07] <Ispira> I can check for you
[23:07] <shauno> I honestly don't remember, sorry. I don't worry about defaults too much. but there's a good chance it doesn't. if it had everything everyone wanted by default, it wouldn't be very .. lite
[23:08] <Ispira> yes nickgaw
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[23:08] <Ispira> http://prntscr.com/aucmtz
[23:08] <Ispira> G++ as well
[23:09] <Ispira> anything else you want me to check?
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[23:10] <nickgaw> what was the URL for that you posted? is there any point if upgrading wheezy to jessie on the raspberrypi or is it best just to reflash?
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[23:11] <Zardoz> http://imgur.com/Qzi06re
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[23:11] <Ispira> what do you mean what was the URL?
[23:11] <Ispira> prntscr?
[23:11] <Ispira> Also upgrade shouldn't cause an issue, but I've never done.
[23:11] <nickgaw> yes why did you post it?
[23:11] <Encrypt> Zardoz, :]
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[23:12] <MiningInc> lulz
[23:12] <Ispira> I generally submit screenshot or link with information I provide, because people tend to either say I'm lying
[23:12] <Ispira> or start fights because of what I say
[23:12] <MiningInc> Ispira Gotta love the interweb
[23:12] <ChunkzZ> you're lying.
[23:12] <Ispira> I've become very careful with how I speak on IRC. haha
[23:12] <MiningInc> YOU BIG LIAR
[23:13] <MiningInc> hehe
[23:13] <ChunkzZ> liar, liar.
[23:13] <ChunkzZ> :p
[23:13] <nickgaw> Could you boot from an USB stick on model 3 or does it still require the micro sd card for booting?
[23:13] <MiningInc> I think most of us can relate though... There is always a troll lurking in the shadows just waiting for some ammunition to get them going off half cocked.
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[23:14] <MiningInc> usb boot capable on pi3 i believe
[23:14] <Ispira> WAIT
[23:14] <Ispira> WHAT?
[23:14] <Ispira> Pi3 can USB BOOT?!
[23:14] <ChunkzZ> yes
[23:14] <Bilby> say what now?
[23:15] <ChunkzZ> pi3 can boot from usb
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[23:15] <ChunkzZ> ...
[23:15] <ChunkzZ> yes
[23:15] <Ispira> http://prntscr.com/aucpyw
[23:15] <nickgaw> Is there still a raspbian installer for those of us who wish to install our own version or do we have to go with what the foundation provides?
[23:15] <ziddey> "The bootrom on Pi3 supports USB mass-storage class booting as well as tftp/PXE boot. What isn't in place yet is a bootcode.bin that understands it's been loaded from a USB device (and therefore should go look for a USB device/listen on tftp for start.elf)."
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[23:16] <Ispira> on a serious note
[23:16] <Ispira> I'm def. buying a pi 3 either today or in the near future
[23:16] <SyncYourDogmas> nickgaw: the config menu thing is an installer basicallly
[23:16] <Ispira> I ahve tons of kit for my pi 2
[23:16] <ChunkzZ> can you guys recommened a good sd card?
[23:17] <ziddey> evo or evo+
[23:17] <Ispira> ChunkzZ: samsung, kingston, transcend, pny, sandisk
[23:17] <ziddey> nothing else compares
[23:17] <Bilby> the hardware supports it, it's not been implemented yet. http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/a/43642
[23:17] <Ispira> they're all good if you get the right class
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[23:17] <Ispira> next question, I have tons of kit for my pi2, is the pi3 compatible with all of the pi2 stuff
[23:17] <ChunkzZ> I don't like kingston, they've failed on me loads.
[23:17] <ziddey> get an evo and overclock sdhost to 100. you'll be good to go
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[23:17] <Ispira> really important things are just the power/case
[23:18] <ChunkzZ> is there an app that can monitor my power?
[23:18] <nickgaw> Can the raspberrypi 3 be over clocked like the model b?
[23:18] <Bilby> The 3 has the same footprint has the 2, Ispira
[23:18] <Bilby> and afaik there were no port moves
[23:18] <ChunkzZ> I think my psu is no good
[23:18] <Ispira> awesome
[23:18] <Encrypt> ChunkzZ, What I have: http://www.amazon.com/Kingston-Digital-microSDHC-SDCA10-16GBSP/dp/B00JXPT3P6
[23:18] <Encrypt> Works like a charm
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[23:18] <Sonny_Jim> heh
[23:18] <Bilby> ChunkzZ: almost any brand-name card that isn't counterfeit
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[23:18] <Encrypt> <ChunkzZ> I don't like kingston, they've failed on me loads. // To bad :S
[23:18] <Sonny_Jim> USB booting, that old chestnut
[23:19] <Ispira> http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-microSDHC-Standard-Packaging-SDSQUNC-032G-GN6MA/dp/B010Q57T02
[23:19] <Rukus> Sonny_Jim: What are some ways that you've riced up your raspberry pi 3? until you mentioned it, I didnt't know it was possible. I'm excited to hear about all your l33t mods
[23:19] <Ispira> that's what I'm using
[23:19] <Bilby> I've also used generic microcenter ones with no problem
[23:19] <ChunkzZ> Encrypt, I bought a 32gb from groupon class 10 and it's slow as f
[23:19] <Bilby> s/no/few
[23:19] <Ispira> I also have an 8GB hung-lo charlie one that works
[23:19] <Sonny_Jim> Rukus: Aww, are you annoyed because I made you look like an idiot. Diddums :(
[23:19] * Sonny_Jim gives Rukus an internet hug
[23:19] <Rukus> Sonny_Jim: no, i reeally like you now
[23:19] <Rukus> can we be friends? you seem like a blast
[23:20] <Rukus> omg
[23:20] <ChunkzZ> you got a link for a good source to get them from ?
[23:20] <ziddey> ChunkzZ: the evo/evo+ are the only cards worth getting. don't be sorry
[23:20] <ChunkzZ> ziddey, ^
[23:20] <Rukus> Sonny_Jim: you must be great at parties
[23:20] <Bilby> take it to a pm, children. no one cares
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[23:20] <ziddey> the old evo is pretty much cheap everywhere. bestbuy just got done having a sale on the evo+
[23:20] <Rukus> Bilby: haha sorry. I'm just havin fun
[23:21] <ziddey> your mother is upset
[23:21] <ChunkzZ> ziddey, im in the uk.
[23:21] <Rukus> I'll stop, because unlike Sonny_Jim , I have respect for others
[23:21] <Bilby> this is like the one room on IRC that isn't a 24/8 flamefest o\ /o
[23:21] <nickgaw> Can the raspberrypi model 3 over clock to anything faster then 1 GHZ?
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[23:21] <ziddey> nickgaw, stock is 1.2. you'd be best not to go higher
[23:21] <Sonny_Jim> Well
[23:21] <Rukus> nickgaw, ask Sonny_Jim , he;s real helpful
[23:21] <Rukus> ok ok i'm done
[23:21] <Sonny_Jim> Can someone kick Rukus please?
[23:21] <myke> nickgaw: you can get other arm board that are 1.6ghz but they have fans
[23:21] <MiningInc> The samsung Evo micro sd cards are pretty quick for read/write speeds and cheap on amazon
[23:21] <Bilby> nickgaw: overclock is disabled in raspi-config on the 3, i'm not sure you'd get much even if you did it manually
[23:22] <Rukus> aww i hurted feelings
[23:22] <Rukus> sorry
[23:22] <Rukus> im done
[23:22] <Sonny_Jim> Because everytime I speak they seem the need to go off on a tirade
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[23:22] <Rukus> Sonny_Jim: *hugs*
[23:22] * Bilby pokes [Saint_] to see if s/he's alive
[23:22] <nickgaw> are the model b boards still made?
[23:23] <ChunkzZ> ziddey, http://m.ebuyer.com/711260
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[23:23] <Bilby> I don't think so nickgaw, though there are still ones available
[23:23] <Rukus> nickgaw, i am looking into some pi 3 overclocks, cuz i dont mind blowing mine up. i can let you know what i find later?
[23:23] <Bilby> I believe the A+ boards are still in production
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[23:23] <Zardoz> highly doubt they do...
[23:23] <SyncYourDogmas> ChunkzZ: powertop I think its called, in the raspian repos
[23:23] <Rukus> nickgaw, Ive heard of 1450mhz overclocks, but i dont know what else needs to be adjusted for voltages... etc
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[23:24] <ziddey> nickgaw, depending on what you have for cooling / what you want for stability, it's generally best to leave it alone. for 100%* stability, i need to overvolt even at stock clocks
[23:24] <plugwash> The raspberry pi model B is still available. There was a period where it wasn't arround the release of the B+ but it came back.
[23:24] <Zardoz> Rukus, that on pi3?
[23:24] <plugwash> The raspberry pi model A seems to have come back as well despite the official word being that it was discontinued
[23:25] <nickgaw> If I have any suggestions on raspbian configuration questions like wifi connections how can I submit them for suggestions?
[23:25] <Rukus> zardoz, yeah. i will see if i can find the blog,/ site
[23:25] <ziddey> ChunkzZ, the going price for the 32gb evo+ in the states is ~$15.
[23:25] <Zardoz> Rukus, pls I would like to see that...
[23:25] <ChunkzZ> can't be good then ziddey
[23:25] <Bilby> nickgaw: if you go to https://www.raspberrypi.org and scroll down to Products they list everything in production
[23:25] <nickgaw> ok thanks!
[23:26] <ziddey> hahaha ChunkzZ
[23:26] <Bilby> RasPi in production currently: Pi 3 B, Pi 2 B, Pi 1 A+, Pi Zero, Compute Module
[23:26] <SyncYourDogmas> nickgaw: ##networking or ##debian will know, config is very very very similar for networking
[23:26] <ziddey> be sorry
[23:26] <ChunkzZ> HD. And thanks to a read speed of 80MB / s and a write speed of 20MB / s and Videos apps load faster and transfer files quickly.
[23:26] <Rukus> Zardoz: http://www.jackenhack.com/raspberry-pi-3-overclocking/ might be a good start
[23:26] <Zardoz> Bilby, that's very cool of them to keep it all in production.
[23:27] <Bilby> I know for a while the Pi 1 B (rev 2) was in production after they released the Pi 1 B+ because it had a different form factor
[23:27] <Zardoz> Rukus, thank you!
[23:27] <Rukus> Zardoz: anytime! I'm here to learn / help
[23:27] <ziddey> ChunkzZ, you'll be sorry
[23:27] <plugwash> <Bilby> RasPi in production currently: Pi 3 B, Pi 2 B, Pi 1 A+, Pi Zero, Compute Module <-- do you have a source for that claim?
[23:27] <Bilby> but the 1 B+, 2, and 3 all have the same form factor and are (generally) backwards compatible as far as code goes, so probably why they didn't keep the old ones in production
[23:27] <Bilby> plugwash: https://www.raspberrypi.org
[23:27] <Bilby> scroll down to "Raspberry Pi Products"
[23:28] <plugwash> RS components at least still list the original A and B as in stock
[23:28] <Bilby> they probably have some in stock yeah
[23:28] <Rukus> Zardoz: I'm not sure if you gain any performance from overclocking tho... cuz then you lead into sdcard corruption and other problems i'm sure exist, but arent considered
[23:28] <Rukus> like heat issues, etc..
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[23:28] <Bilby> because there will be some application-specific demands and low purchase volume as people got the newer one
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[23:28] <Rukus> Zardoz: i mean sure you can gain more performance, i mean stability might suffer
[23:29] <nickgaw> my model b crashes after it is overclocked for a long time is this normal and the sd card is corrupt?
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[23:29] <Bilby> Adafruit also lists the 1 B in stock
[23:29] <Bilby> oop, i'm out lads 'n' lassies
[23:29] <Bilby> back after I drive home and pick up my Chipotle :D
[23:29] <Rukus> have a good one Bilby
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[23:30] <nickgaw> Do any of the current models run on full sized SD cards?
[23:30] <ali1234> no
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[23:31] <Zardoz> Rukus, 1350 MHz and 500 MHz memory settings not bad. considering.
[23:32] <Rukus> Zardoz: yeah, that doesnt sound terrible
[23:33] <Zardoz> Rukus, and to think I been very happy with the stock speeds of the pi3, this thing is nice. I have nothing but good to day about it.
[23:33] <Rukus> why do you want to overclock? I wanted to overclock to play (just so the ignorant people can keep up) h.265 video at 24fps on 1920x1080 resolution.
[23:33] <nickgaw> regardless what image I flash on to what model should it be compatible with all models in other words if I take one image and have different models can the same image run on all models?
[23:33] <gordonDrogon> any news on the new features on the new Pi Zero?
[23:33] <Rukus> Zardoz: the pi 2 is enough for most.... i upgraded for the bluetooth and wifi built in
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[23:34] <nickgaw> Is wifi built into the model 3?
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[23:34] <Rukus> yeah
[23:34] <Rukus> and bluetooth
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[23:34] <Tenkawa> gordonDrogon: new one coming already?
[23:35] <Zardoz> Rukus, pi2 is good as well, but I wanted all the pi 3 had to offer and it delivers.
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[23:35] <Rukus> Zardoz: depending on needs as always, but the pi 3 is pretty sweet with the extra clock speed
[23:35] <nickgaw> So if I have a braille display that supports bluetooth and install brltty I should be able to use it with the model 3 is X windows required to set it up or can I setup wifi in the console?
[23:36] <ali1234> gordonDrogon: the latest is that the connectors wont move, and it isn't more ram or a better cpu
[23:36] <gordonDrogon> Tenkawa, yes - the 2nd version of the Pi zero ...
[23:36] <swift110> yes the pi3 is nice
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[23:36] <swift110> I am upset because I have to start over with mine
[23:36] <gordonDrogon> it's not wi-fi either that I've heard.
[23:36] <Tenkawa> gordonDrogon: when was that announced?
[23:37] <gordonDrogon> Tenkawa, a week or 2 back.
[23:37] <Tenkawa> oh
[23:37] <ali1234> audio or a power led remains the most likely
[23:37] <Tenkawa> weird i havent seen anything
[23:37] <gordonDrogon> just a hint of a new feature on the zero when production starts again.
[23:37] <Rukus> i think you'd have to know what you want to do with the pi zero, before you buy it. The pi 3 is much more versatile is it not?
[23:37] <gordonDrogon> Rukus, sure - but the zeros I have are pretty cool.
[23:37] <swift110> Rukus: I have both the pi zero and pi 3 I highly recommend getting ther pi 3
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[23:38] <Rukus> :)
[23:38] <swift110> then once you have that set up get a pi zero afterwards
[23:38] <nickgaw> so just so I am sure before I buy the 3 is better then the 0 and has both wifi and bluetooth support built in?
[23:38] <swift110> just realize you need more for the zero
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[23:38] <Rukus> nickgaw, better is an opinion. think of your requirements
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[23:38] <gordonDrogon> nickgaw, it's all relative - want a tiny tiny cheap cheap Pi - get a zero, etc.
[23:38] <plugwash> The zero DOES NOT have wifi or bluetooth
[23:39] <swift110> I plan on using the pi 3 as a desktop
[23:39] <Rukus> thats why i dont buy high end mobile phones. i buy $200 phones and compile cyanogenmod for that. bam.
[23:39] <gordonDrogon> plugwash, doesn't have ethernet either :)
[23:39] <swift110> the pi zero I might make into a weather station or for kodi
[23:39] <Zardoz> I think they need to keep the verfy small formfactor of the zer0 and it needs to remain for very small inbeded projects. thats it nitch.
[23:39] <gordonDrogon> yup
[23:39] <Zardoz> swift110, kodi +pi3=win
[23:40] <Rukus> nickgaw, i bought the pi 3 because I use it for my home theatre setup. I wanted it to be lag free, and work all-in-one
[23:40] <gordonDrogon> so adding a power led is cheap - adding the audio filters is more expensive, but might keep it to under $5 - maybe. breaking out the audio to a connector you can make your own filter is also cheap.
[23:40] <plugwash> a zero with wifi/bluetooth would rock, I mentioned the idea to eben at the party and he agreed it would be nice but he wasn't sure it would be worth the cost
[23:40] <nickgaw> If speed and more ram is what I want to upgrade to then get the model 3 that does have both wifi and bluetooth builtin right?
[23:40] <Rukus> yeah
[23:40] <Rukus> same ram tho. 1gb
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[23:40] <Zardoz> plugwash, I agree they need to put wifi and bt on that thing.
[23:40] <Rukus> same as pi 2 i meant
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[23:41] <plugwash> The problem is making an "intentional radiator" ups certification costs massively
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[23:41] <Rukus> nickgaw, pi 3 is quadcore 1.2ghz, 1gb ram, bluetooth and wifi built in.
[23:42] <myke> i'm on a rpi3 now
[23:42] <myke> can do a surprising amount as a desktop
[23:42] <Zardoz> alright I need to get squid and squid guard on a pi2 today...
[23:42] <Rukus> i wish the pi 3 had 2gb ram. is there any technical reason to why it doesnt have 2gb?
[23:42] <warpie> I am on a zero... he heh
[23:43] <myke> Rukus: there are other pis that do
[23:43] <myke> there's a banana pi with 2G
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[23:43] <nickgaw> Is there methods to connect to a wifi network from the console?
[23:43] <Rukus> myke: is it compatible with same software?
[23:43] <Sonny_Jim> can't they just go with a pre-certified module?
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[23:43] <plugwash> Zardoz, the problem is that the Pi series is old tech
[23:43] <myke> Rukus: they're all arm SoC computers
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[23:43] <swift110> yes Zardoz
[23:44] <Rukus> myke: so would raspbian for the pi work on the banana pi oob?
[23:44] <plugwash> Yes they bolted on some A53 cores but the rest of the chip is old. The core bus and memory controller are running at their limits.
[23:44] <Zardoz> Rukus, did I tell you that I put a tacker up on a pi1 and serving up raspian and noobs.
[23:44] <myke> Rukus: well no but there's bananian
[23:44] <swift110> so once I format my micro sds card I can drag and drop the raspian files to the sd card and be good to go?
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[23:44] <Rukus> myke: ah ok.
[23:44] <Rukus> Zardoz: i'm lost
[23:44] <Ispira> RoyalTS is actually pretty good. http://prntscr.com/aud3af
[23:45] <myke> oh actually
[23:45] <Rukus> Zardoz: i'm good with what the hardware is, but i am new to this
[23:45] <Zardoz> plugwash, dont tell me about old, I still run an amiga 1200
[23:45] <warpie> swift110: yes
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[23:46] <Rukus> i like the pi, because of how many millions of people own one.
[23:46] <swift110> ok thanks warpie
[23:46] <warpie> yw
[23:46] <swift110> I like the community
[23:46] <Rukus> that should translate into a ton of support and resources
[23:46] <Rukus> i like 99% of the community
[23:46] <swift110> yes
[23:46] <warpie> uh huh, me too, swift110
[23:46] <Rukus> there is always that 1% haha
[23:46] <Couto> for the ones using archlinux... do you guys use some sort of raspi-config ? or do you expand your sdcards "by hand"?
[23:46] <swift110> I am debating over whether to have raspian on pi zero and pi 3
[23:46] <plugwash> Zardoz, well yeah, compared to that it's new......
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[23:46] <warpie> Rukus: like me, he heh
[23:47] <swift110> or to have kodi on the pi zero
[23:47] <Rukus> warpie: you're the awesome 1%
[23:47] <SyncYourDogmas> nickgaw: wpa_cli , or wicd-console
[23:47] <Zardoz> plugwash, :P
[23:47] <Rukus> :P
[23:47] <warpie> ty, Rukus
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[23:47] <plugwash> but it's old enough that when they were designing the core bus stucture and memory controller even 1GB would have seemed ludicrously high
[23:47] <plugwash> so pinching a couple of bits for flags would have been quite reasonable
[23:47] <nickgaw> If I wish to use the console with the raspberrypi model 3 could I connect to a wireless network using the console or would I need to use X windows?
[23:48] <SyncYourDogmas> terminal
[23:48] <SyncYourDogmas> I never use the gui
[23:48] <warpie> gud for you
[23:48] <Rukus> iwlist and iwconfig is where you start
[23:48] <SyncYourDogmas> demonstrating how possible it is
[23:48] <Rukus> ifconfig
[23:48] <nickgaw> is it an interface where first it scans for the enetwork then prompts for the key or do you have to do this manually?
[23:49] <Rukus> . sudo iwlist scan will scan networks and then you can use iwconfig to configure
[23:49] <SyncYourDogmas> you can script it, do it manually, or edit files in /etc/network
[23:49] <Rukus> i bet theres a better way than i know obviously haha
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[23:49] <Rukus> because i am not sure if my way even exists / works on the pi
[23:50] <Zardoz> plugwash, one that I am currently upgrading. http://imgur.com/eLYQQf8
[23:50] <nickgaw> The only reason I am asking is I am totally blind and don't know how well orca would work on the raspberrypi model 3 with speech that is why I wish to use the console. Would posting in the raspberrypi forums and asking for help be the best thing to do?
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[23:51] <SyncYourDogmas> for a one off one network its just wpa_supplicant -d -B -i wlan0 -c <( wpa_passphrase network namekey)
[23:51] <SyncYourDogmas> its all debian basically so they might be worth a shot too. or just linux
[23:52] <nickgaw> can you connect to a bluettoth device using the console?
[23:52] <Zardoz> nickgaw, you sould be able to do most everything command line
[23:52] <SyncYourDogmas> oh and dhclient wlan0 after that
[23:52] <Rukus> i might get chased out of here, but is there a real working android rom for the pi 2 or 3?
[23:52] <swift110> lol Rukus
[23:52] <Rukus> im only curious!
[23:52] <Zardoz> Rukus, kind of
[23:53] <Rukus> some guy has one, but he charges for it
[23:53] <Rukus> so f that guy
[23:54] <warpie> buy it from him then have a friend sell it to him for more than he sold it...
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[23:54] <Rukus> sound idea!
[23:54] <warpie> lol, wicked, eh?
[23:55] <Rukus> you're going places!
[23:55] <Rukus> :P
[23:55] <Rukus> xD
[23:55] <warpie> lol
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[23:55] <nickgaw> Is there an announcement list for the raspberrypi when new models or other parts are released?
[23:56] <Zardoz> https://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/rsz_wp_20160410_11_52_25_pro-500x616.jpg
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[23:56] * plugwash never used amigas, I went from acorn machines to PCs
[23:56] <Zardoz> them pizer0 game system I most make....
[23:56] <Rukus> plugwash: i went from apple ii. i'm a little younger.. i think?
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[23:56] <abnormal> Zardoz: sweet!!
[23:57] <Rukus> well we had atari 400 for our home pc tho
[23:57] <Rukus> "pc"
[23:57] <Zardoz> I have an atari 400 :P
[23:57] <warpie> I've got Zenith PC's
[23:57] <Rukus> i think mine is still at my mom and dads
[23:58] <plugwash> apple 2 was before my time
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[23:58] <Rukus> plugwash: aww now i feel old
[23:58] <Rukus> or my school was behind the times
[23:58] <warpie> lol, me too
[23:58] * plugwash was born in 1985
[23:58] <warpie> wow
[23:58] <Rukus> lol i am only 2 years older. i think my school didnt upgrade
[23:59] <warpie> a youngie
[23:59] <Zardoz> <--- is most like the oldest person here.
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[23:59] <warpie> oh yeah?
[23:59] <shauno> heh, been there. we still had bbc micros at school. which makes me sound 10 years older than I am. the school just kept on using them until the bitter end

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