#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2016-04-21

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[0:00] <taza> I'm wondering if I wipe the partition table and format with W10's inbuilt tools, will it align or will I end up with a weird hybrid?
[0:00] <taza> niston: Not exactly, but beyond scope of this.
[0:00] <myke> fat32 blocks are 512 bytes
[0:00] <myke> hard to not be aligned
[0:00] <taza> Not true.
[0:00] <Zardoz> niston, it can, but not in general
[0:00] <taza> marcelod: So I'm mostly wondering if the best tool under W10 is native or the SD Association's SD Formatter
[0:00] <mfa298> sorry I'm getting my channels slighlty mixed up, but then >99% of people here are running a linux distro on the pi and the question is about software in window for intel so part of the point still stands.
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[0:01] <marcelod> taza, the question is different.
[0:01] <marcelod> taza, fat32 has a specific format and protocol
[0:01] <taza> ... and I'm getting a wee bit annoyed at the irrelevant chatter from the peanut gallery.
[0:01] <myke> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/140365
[0:01] <taza> marcelod: Aaand win7's formatter didn't align it properly.
[0:01] <taza> So you would get substantial performance degradation.
[0:02] <myke> i guess it depends on what you use to create it
[0:02] <marcelod> this means that if you format it with whichever tool, it will be the same
[0:02] <taza> mfa298: I wasn't aware you were the gatekeeper to say this channel was about Raspbian and not Raspberry Pi, my apologies.
[0:02] <taza> marcelod: Demonstratably not true, unfortunately.
[0:02] <marcelod> taza, due to "features"
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[0:03] <taza> SD card formatting needs to be aligned right and this was a massive headache linux-side too until someone figured out automagic for it
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[0:03] <marcelod> what is the reason for that?
[0:04] <taza> hifi was the one for the automagics, just remembered
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[0:05] <taza> marcelod: SD card blocks need to be aligned to the filesystem or otherwise performance degradation will result.
[0:05] <Zardoz> Rukus, you are right wow.....
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[0:06] <mfa298> filesystem alignment applies to lots of types of drives not just SD cards, but may be more noticable on SD cards for the average user.
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[0:10] <Zardoz> I might be incorrect here, but I thought sd formatter did not use the OS and is it own thing for the very case that OS tools can cause less than optimal performance for memory cards. and that the OS is irrelevant when using the tool.
[0:10] <Sonny_Jim> well, every program kinda has to use the OS to write to a disk
[0:11] <Sonny_Jim> I'd think it would be very rare to find an OS that gives you 'raw' disk access
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[0:12] <taza> ... Linux, Windows, OSX, etc.
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[0:12] <taza> I can't think of an OS that doesn't other than iOS
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[0:12] <taza> Windows gives you raw disk access if you're in admin mode fine
[0:12] <taza> It's not smart to play around with it, but you can do it. Likewise, dd will just do it.
[0:13] <Sonny_Jim> I think we are talking about different definitions of 'raw'
[0:13] <taza> I think your definition doesn't exist in reality.
[0:14] <taza> Because Windows and Linux can both just access raw bits and bytes. You'd have to bypass the firmware to get any more "raw".
[0:14] <taza> It's a fun time to break the filesystems doing that.
[0:14] * Sonny_Jim checks
[0:15] * Sonny_Jim finds himself in another dimension
[0:15] <Sonny_Jim> Thanks Obama!
[0:15] <taza> * may apply only to spinnydisks
[0:15] <taza> But SSDs don't block you from doing it on OS level, it's on firmware level
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[0:17] <mfa298> not all spinny disks are created equal either, some abstract the actual hardware away from what the OS sees.
[0:17] <taza> * applies to most spinning rust
[0:17] <Sonny_Jim> TBH I was responding to this quote "I thought sd formatter did not use the OS"
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[0:17] <Sonny_Jim> And my point was, it's pretty hard to write to a disk without an OS
[0:17] <mfa298> in a similar way to the internals of SSD and SD cards are abstracted away for the likes of wear leveling
[0:17] <taza> Okay yeah, that's true.
[0:18] <taza> You can do it
[0:18] <taza> I don't see why you would, but you can do it.
[0:18] <taza> Ah, the good old days of manually flipping bits.
[0:18] <taza> ... wait I wasn't born then.
[0:19] <taza> But hardware I was playing with was entirely capable of it
[0:19] <taza> I did it a few times, but mostly 'cause I was curious about how it was done
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[0:20] <warpie> well my win 10 didn't like my SD card... sees a 2 gb as a 1.10 gb... sheesh...
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[0:24] <myke> i'm old enough to remember MFA disks with bad blocks hand written on a label on the disk
[0:24] <myke> but i also don't miss them
[0:24] <myke> MFF
[0:24] <Zardoz> from what I am reading I am just going to contenue to use sd formatter or diskpart to clear the infomation on the disk, then dd or winimg it.
[0:25] <Zardoz> myke, yeah the drive did not do that auto you had to build a bad block list...
[0:25] <taza> myke: I'm old enough to remember being able to actually bit flip by hand.
[0:26] <taza> The days when bits were visible, the good old days!
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[0:26] <taza> (Bits were actually visible, and with a stable enough hand you could manually flip them)
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[0:27] <taza> ... so okay you wouldn't ever do that other than to bootstrap something else, but hey, it was a fun exercise to go from cold boot by manually flipping bits to create a compiler.
[0:27] <mfa298> Zardoz: if you're writing a whole disk image (such as the raspbian image) there's not going to be much point in using sd formatter or diskpart to clear whats on the disk as the image you write will overwrrite the same stuff
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[0:29] <taza> Yerp it's only meaningful if you're booting from a ready-made SD partition by copying files to it
[0:31] <myke> is there a rpi qemu system yet?
[0:31] <Sonny_Jim> There was, ages ago
[0:32] <Sonny_Jim> Not sure if there's a more current one
[0:32] <Zardoz> mfa298, agree, that why i mostly clear it.
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[0:37] <taza> mfa298: Ah, the old days, when you could manually flip bits in hardware, to hack together a compiler by literal hand, then compile your own hello world. When I got the hardware it was worn-down old gear, but these days I figure we could build it new for $25 or something. Shame nobody's done a project like that, you just have this little computer you have to run Debian on.
[0:38] <myke> i've been using the rpi3 as my home desktop for weeks
[0:38] <taza> If you ever plan on using it for a project, better avoid asking any technical questions. You'll get a negative response.
[0:38] <myke> makes you realize how bad most of the web is
[0:38] <myke> really curious how win10 runs on it
[0:39] <taza> Myke: It's a $35 system. So it's not going to be very powerful.
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[0:39] <myke> taza: i think it's amazingly powerful for $35
[0:39] <myke> the new home computer
[0:40] <Zardoz> myke, I have been doing the same, it's truly amazing what you can do for 35 bucks.
[0:40] <mfa298> taza: well there's nothing to stop you writing your own OS, but your stuck with some binary blobs unless you can persaude broadcom to release various docs to you.
[0:40] <taza> myke: It's not meant to be a home computer, and I have a vastly better system for that.
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[0:40] <myke> i like the limitation
[0:40] <taza> Dumb, because-I-can hacking projects and giving it to children for hacking so I don't care if it breaks? Great.
[0:41] <myke> by 90s standards this is an excellent thin client
[0:41] <Zardoz> myke, I feel the same way about it...
[0:41] <myke> vnc, rdp, and even X over SSH all work great on it
[0:41] <ali1234> thin clients were stupid idea in the 90s though
[0:41] <myke> in the 90s, in the 10s they're a great idea again
[0:42] <taza> No they're still a stupid idea
[0:42] <myke> why are they a stupid idea?
[0:42] <taza> As you figure out every time someone tries to actually implement it in scale.
[0:42] * niston rolls a thermonuclear warhead into broadcom's HQ and yells "gimme all your dox!"
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[0:42] <myke> taza: have you looked around you lately?
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[0:42] <myke> we did implement at scale... broadband everywhere, everything "in the cloud"
[0:42] <ali1234> the concept was just about passable in the 70s because we didn't have anything better
[0:43] <taza> Your RPi running a browser ain't a thin client
[0:43] <myke> amazon sells virtual windows desktops as a service
[0:43] <Zardoz> thin clients do some amazing stuff. due to back end capabilities now days.
[0:43] <taza> Yeah and they're absolutely awful
[0:43] <myke> taza: what about rdp, vnc, and X?
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[0:43] <warpie> lol, niston
[0:43] <taza> For use as a desktop
[0:43] <taza> myke: Vastly inferior to running them locally
[0:43] <ziddey> web 2.0 bro. thin client for the internet
[0:43] <myke> taza: have you actually tried lately?
[0:43] <taza> That's not what a thin client is
[0:43] <mfa298> thin clients are good in some situations, but like everything they dont fit every setup. As always use the right tool for the job
[0:43] <taza> myke: Yes
[0:44] <taza> And think clients still stink, because they use more throughput than they're worth
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[0:44] <myke> i mean yeah sure you can just use an ultrabook for everything because they're comparatively cheap too
[0:44] <myke> thruput is cheap now
[0:44] <taza> Not on scale
[0:44] <myke> again have you looked around you?
[0:44] <taza> Yes
[0:44] <myke> hd netflix?
[0:44] <myke> a screencap stream is the least of the bandwidth flushing around the internet nowadays
[0:45] <[Saint]> Zardoz: So, have you been using that screen session template for bash sessions over ssh?
[0:45] <taza> Yeah, and they're running on vastly more income and still barely breaking even
[0:45] <ali1234> netflix absolutely does not scale when everyone tries to use it
[0:45] <Zardoz> look at game streaming also
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[0:45] <myke> so wait, you guys don't think bandwidth will become more abundant and cheaper in the future?
[0:45] <taza> btw Zardoz I cleared ignores
[0:45] <ali1234> sure it will, but that's the future
[0:45] <taza> Zardoz: Go use OnLive if you will
[0:46] <taza> myke: No, it won't.
[0:46] <[Saint]> Zardoz: If you like, I could also teach you about the wonders of ssh sockets.
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[0:46] <Rukus> Zardoz: right about?
[0:46] <taza> The problem aren't the local links, they're the long-term links
[0:46] <taza> And that stuff isn't cheap to build
[0:46] <Zardoz> taza onlive lmao, look at nvidia
[0:46] <taza> Yeah do look at them
[0:46] <taza> Are they selling a thin client service?
[0:47] <Rukus> Zardoz: oh about the H and h
[0:47] <taza> No wait they're expecting the end user to supply their own bandwidth
[0:47] <taza> Because duh
[0:47] <Zardoz> kind of, nvidia shield tv
[0:47] <taza> Scale by the ~millions of users and you find yourself skimping on bandwidth really quick
[0:47] <myke> oh man, is nvidia still making the shield?
[0:47] <myke> i nearly got one of those
[0:47] <taza> So that results in latency, weird scaling issues, less-than-perfect quality...
[0:47] <Zardoz> myke, yup
[0:48] <taza> There's a reason nobody uses thin clients on scale, and that's because a set of desktops is always going to be cheaper to maintain.
[0:48] <myke> taza: how come voip works then?
[0:48] <taza> Voip is just sound
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[0:48] <taza> Sound is way cheaper than picture.
[0:48] <myke> voip has demanding realtime requirements
[0:48] <myke> all running on a network with no qos
[0:48] <myke> how?
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[0:48] <Zardoz> myke, shield tv is one of the best device on the market IMO
[0:48] <myke> i think you're vastly underestimating the scale of bandwidth rollout in the modern internet
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[0:49] <myke> i get 20ms pings from the sticks in montana to amazon's server farm in seattle
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[0:49] <mfa298> taza: That can depend on the situation, in some organisations thin clients can be cheaper, but that's generally reliant on people being reasonably local and using systems in a similar way.
[0:50] <shauno> bandwidth is already abundant and cheap. we just keep moving the goalposts
[0:50] <[Saint]> I get ~6ms from ChCh, NZ, to
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[0:50] <ali1234> isn't in one place though
[0:50] <myke> i take a pretty liberal view of what a thin client is
[0:51] <[Saint]> Well, as you should.
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[0:51] <[Saint]> You can only really define what a thinclient is supposed to do, I guess.
[0:51] <ali1234> i get 38ms to the first hop anywhere
[0:51] <truthadjustr> hi.. i just got 'raspi3 model b'. I read that archlinux image is only 32-bit. Is it possible to install the odroid-c2 64-bit image into my raspi3?
[0:51] <[Saint]> ali1234: ...wow.
[0:51] <[Saint]> ouch.
[0:52] <ali1234> i also only have 100KB upload
[0:52] <[Saint]> truthadjustr: no
[0:52] <[Saint]> ali1234: ....OUCH!
[0:52] <truthadjustr> [Saint]: i thought odroid-c2 is a raspi clone
[0:52] <Zardoz> mine differs from 10 to 40ms
[0:52] <shauno> is anycast. for me, it routes to dublin. 6ms is from NZ won't get to dublin. or .. outside of NZ
[0:52] <truthadjustr> [Saint]: a raspi clone, but with different chipset?
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[0:53] <[Saint]> truthadjustr: of sorts, but, that is essentially irrelevant, and, yes.
[0:53] <[Saint]> the very short answer is just plain "no."
[0:53] <truthadjustr> [Saint]: wait, so what is the main reason i cannot put odroid-c2 into my raspi3?
[0:53] <truthadjustr> i meant, odroid-c2 archlinx image
[0:53] <ali1234> you won't have a gpu driver and it will not boot
[0:54] <[Saint]> entirely different boot mechanisms and SoC structure/support, for one.
[0:54] <ali1234> also the gpu driver doesn't support 64 bit properly
[0:54] <[Saint]> it just plain doesn't work that way.
[0:54] <ali1234> so you have to choose between having video and having 64 bit
[0:54] <[Saint]> The ODROID C2 is only a "raspi clone" in so far as "they are both small SBCs"
[0:54] <[Saint]> Nothing more.
[0:55] <ali1234> well they both use ARM too
[0:55] <ali1234> that doesn't mean much though everything uses ARM
[0:55] <[Saint]> They're both rectangular!
[0:55] <shauno> ali1234: is that actually a choice we can make atm? I've got a couple of pi with no use for video
[0:55] <truthadjustr> okey.. now, are there good guides on how to put a 64-bit linux kernel into my raspi3?
[0:55] <ali1234> shauno: yes
[0:55] <taza> shauno: Turns out the more space you have the more space people want to use
[0:55] <ali1234> shauno: but it's not just video. it's anything GPU
[0:55] <taza> And the more they waste, too
[0:55] <[Saint]> truthadjustr: At this stage I don't think there is any
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[0:55] <truthadjustr> [Saint]: how bout the gentoo distro?
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[0:56] <Zardoz> I thought it was the physical layout of the odroid-c2 that made it clone. (and being arm)
[0:56] <shauno> anything anything? the gpu runs the bootloader, no?
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[0:56] <myke> taza: the flip side is, random bits are wasted bits, both going down a synchronous pipe and in memory/storage
[0:56] <ali1234> shauno: the firmware can now boot a 64 bit kernel. after that you can't talk to the firmware at all
[0:56] <[Saint]> truthadjustr: I don't believe there are any pure 64 bit kernels/distributions fort the Pi3 presently.
[0:57] <taza> The whole point is that once you start scaling, we're nowhere NEAR the bandwidth where it's cheaper to just transmit all input and output as opposed to streaming a tiny data stream to a local device.
[0:57] <[Saint]> There is very little reason to want 64bit specifically, either, in my opinion.
[0:57] <mlelstv> why can't you talk to the firmware then?
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[0:57] <[Saint]> Unless you're doing 64bit specific development, which, you wouldn;t be doing on a Pi anyway.
[0:57] <truthadjustr> [Saint]: how about speed?
[0:57] <shauno> there's very little reason for most things I do with my pi. that's never stopped me before :)
[0:57] <[Saint]> Unless you really hate yourself.
[0:58] <traeak> porting already 64bit stuff from x86
[0:58] <[Saint]> truthadjustr: the 64 bit aspect doesn't really provide any additional speed.
[0:58] <[Saint]> it is non-interesting in this regard.
[0:58] <traeak> virtual address space
[0:58] <traeak> as i always repeat
[0:58] <traeak> depends on applicatioh of course
[0:59] <truthadjustr> ok.. now unto my next fav topic. What raspi3 distro recommend to play with docker?
[0:59] <traeak> using rpi3 for development of 64bit arm as well
[0:59] <[Saint]> I guess you just got caught up in the usual consumer numbers game.
[0:59] <[Saint]> Where everything with a bigger number is better.
[0:59] <taza> Then why don't we have 256-bit processors?
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[1:00] <traeak> we have 128bit processors.
[1:00] <Zardoz> it reminds me of the bit wars with game consoles
[1:00] <[Saint]> There are coprocessor systems larger than 64bit.
[1:00] <traeak> 256 bit ones are probably very specialty
[1:00] <truthadjustr> is hypriotOS ok for my docker adventures in my shiny raspi3 ?
[1:00] <[Saint]> We have 128 and 256 bit systems already AFAIK.
[1:00] <warpie> well, I once wanted to get an Ecraf analog processor
[1:00] <taza> 64bit does frequently prove extreme performance boosts. Just, y'know, not on a Raspberry Pi.
[1:01] <ali1234> the real answer is because we have SIMD instead
[1:01] <[Saint]> taza: but it isn;t the 64 bit aspect providing those boosts.
[1:01] <traeak> wonder if odroid sees much diff between the 2 instruction sets
[1:01] <myke> until you have a pi with 4G the 32bit isn't limiting
[1:01] <taza> Well that's a matter of definition
[1:01] <[Saint]> Not really.
[1:01] <taza> It's about taking advantage of hardware you can't take advantage of under 32bit
[1:01] <[Saint]> Not really.
[1:01] <myke> speaking of simd i'm impressed by the arm's software media decoding
[1:01] <taza> (Hardware the RPi doesn't have.)
[1:01] <myke> guess it's what it was built for
[1:02] <myke> some mp4 audio streams have barely any cpu usage
[1:02] <ali1234> myke: it's built for "hardware" decoding (as in, on the GPU using special blobs so not actually hardware really)
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[1:02] <shauno> pretty much. the soc was originally for things like roku (or perhaps even specifically roku)
[1:02] <myke> yeah i don't mean omx, i mean just aac or mp3 directly on the arm
[1:03] <ali1234> mp3 isn't exactly hard to decode these days
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[1:03] <traeak> anyone who's ever used mmap before raise your hand
[1:03] <ali1234> i have
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[1:03] <traeak> its nice to not have to worry that you might hit the 32bit boundary
[1:04] <taza> ... what are you doing on a RPi that hits the 32bit boundary?
[1:04] <traeak> nothing. i have tons of crap on x86 that does
[1:04] <warpie> already has
[1:04] <taza> And can I have some of whatever you were smoking when you decided that project was a good idea?
[1:04] <traeak> nobody ever ports anything ?
[1:04] <ali1234> like what?
[1:04] <traeak> photogrammetry software ?
[1:05] <taza> Nobody ports things like that and expects them to work, because it's a $25 SoC
[1:05] <myke> so again, until you have 4G of memory in your rpi
[1:05] <myke> were you planning to have over 3G of swap?
[1:05] <myke> or run llvm?
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[1:05] <myke> can't think of any real limitations of 32bit on current hw
[1:05] <warpie> sure
[1:05] <taza> You CAN hit the 32bit boundary, but you have to be doing something you're doing just to show off you can.
[1:05] <[Saint]> mp3 320 CBR does realtime decode on armv6 with no specific optimizations in 7MHz.
[1:05] <traeak> any reason to not do it just because ?
[1:05] <taza> Well, no.
[1:05] <myke> traeak: other than money value of time, i guess not
[1:05] <taza> But then complaining the hardware isn't good for it is silly.
[1:05] <[Saint]> 7 singlular, solitary, lonely little single threaded MHz.
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[1:06] <ali1234> because your time would be better spent porting it to cuda or opencl or something?
[1:06] <traeak> simple recompile
[1:06] <traeak> but since the rpi3 doesn't do 64bit and
[1:06] <traeak> won't for the forseeable
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[1:06] <traeak> the odroid c2 is right now far more interesting for that anyways
[1:06] <[Saint]> flac8/PCM realtime decode is like ~3MHz
[1:06] <taza> The RPi3 does do 64bit just fine if you're hitting the 32bit boundary
[1:06] <[Saint]> I...what?
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[1:06] <[Saint]> No.
[1:06] <myke> "simple recompile"
[1:07] <traeak> but i really do need gigabit to properly load it up
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[1:07] <traeak> simple recompile
[1:07] <taza> Because at that point you're hacking like... I'd say "an autistic kid on speed", but I know plenty of those, and they'd go "I'm going to get bored before that does anything"
[1:07] <myke> suspect traeak hasn't ever cross compiled a full linux system
[1:07] <traeak> YES on my stuf absolutely hell yeah
[1:07] <[Saint]> Not sure where you're getting that nonsense from taza
[1:07] <taza> [Saint]: I'm right, you're wrong, sun's hot, water's wet.
[1:07] <taza> Some of the immutable truths of the universe.
[1:07] <taza> Now read what I said
[1:07] <[Saint]> Cool story.
[1:07] <traeak> anyways
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[1:08] <traeak> 64bit isn't totally useless, if its there it would be nice to toy with
[1:08] <traeak> exactly that, toy with
[1:08] <myke> it might be more rewarding to try x32 on your desktop instead
[1:08] <taza> Yeah but there's a point at which your toying goes too far into "silly nonsense"
[1:08] <taza> Implementing stuff like that? Takes way too much time for the toying to remain rewarding.
[1:09] <taza> You just end up cursing yourself and either giving up or keeping going out of sheer stubbornness, and this is coming from a guy who flipped bits manually to build an intepreter.
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[1:10] <[Saint]> Maybe I'm parsing it wrong, but, what do you mean by "The RPi3 does do 64bit just fine if you're hitting the 32bit boundary".
[1:11] <[Saint]> Because in my mind without an actual 64 bit kernel that kinda fucks up the entire flow for "can do 64 bit just fine".
[1:11] <ali1234> you can run a 64 bit kernel on it
[1:11] <traeak> here's the short of it: i haven't compiled any of my software on a 32bit platform in 10 years
[1:11] <traeak> so i'm not too interested in trying on 32bit hehe
[1:11] <mlelstv> modern compilers need more than 1GB RAM anyway :)
[1:12] <traeak> i havne't watched that sadly
[1:12] <[Saint]> ali1234: an actually useful one? Or a bare metal hello world type one?
[1:13] <ali1234> you can boot a 64 bit linux kernel on it
[1:13] <[Saint]> as far as I knew, as of not very long ago, neither existed.
[1:13] <[Saint]> hmmm.
[1:13] <traeak> and here's something fun. i do have terrain extraction ability, i can run terrain extraction on 2+TB datasets but only use 100's of megabytes of ram due to the way we work with the input data. the whole dataset tends to get mapped virtually
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[1:14] <traeak> so the rpi3 can now boot a 64bit kernel?
[1:14] <[Saint]> Apparently. News to me too.
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[1:14] <traeak> i'll have t okeep an eye on that then
[1:14] <[Saint]> It wasn't the case as of...a fortnight ago?
[1:14] <traeak> i have a microcenter 5 mins from here
[1:14] <warpie> dog
[1:15] <warpie> wish I had one close by
[1:15] <[Saint]> C2 is far more interesting than the Raspi 3, if you ask me.
[1:15] <traeak> i haven't yet been able to justify grabbing an rpi3 yet
[1:15] <traeak> i agree to some degree
[1:15] <[Saint]> A little more expensive, but, infinitely better IMO.
[1:15] <traeak> i would love it if the c2 was good enough to use for a desktop
[1:16] <[Saint]> Actually has UHS-I for the SD, and has a dedicated eMMC socket.
[1:16] <traeak> i just use my desktop to ssh to a dual xeon system (or rdesktop) and
[1:16] <[Saint]> Two pretty large bonuses over the Raspi in terms of storage.
[1:16] <traeak> run browsers, youtube, watch vids
[1:16] <[Saint]> The raspis slow as hell sd is really a major letdown.
[1:16] <traeak> IO yeah, the achilles heel
[1:17] <traeak> but its still more than fineas a project board
[1:17] <traeak> the c2 is more in striking range of a desktop replacment, definitely is on the hardware side
[1:17] <traeak> software? everyone knows how that is
[1:17] <[Saint]> I use the XU4 for my thinclients and client boxes.
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[1:17] <taza> [Saint]: By the time you're hitting the 32bit limit, you can just implement the 64bit kernel in software under 32bit hardware with no meaningful performance drop or extra time spent.
[1:18] <mlelstv> the rpi sd is faster than the rpi hd :)
[1:18] <taza> Because by the time you're doing that, "performance" and "extra time" take on the context of that xkcd comic about stones.
[1:18] <BurtyB> even with another SD card on the other sdio port it seems to share the read speed between them :(
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[1:19] <[Saint]> mlelstv: lol, that's hilarious.
[1:19] <mlelstv> it's true
[1:19] <[Saint]> Oh, I don't doubt that.
[1:20] <mlelstv> but 25-30MB/s isn't actually slow.
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[1:21] <warpie> try putting nitrous oxide in the SD card... you'll have to bolt it in place or it will fly...
[1:22] <BurtyB> putting -5V into them stops them dead :)
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[1:22] <mlelstv> .oO( don't be so negative! )
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[1:22] <BurtyB> one of those wrong wires moments heh
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[1:24] <[Saint]> Whoops. I did it again. :-S
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[1:25] <[Saint]> I did this on another device once, a Nexus 6, and recovery was...non-fun.
[1:25] <damarusama> hi there, I have the model 1 with analoge video ou
[1:25] <damarusama> out
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[1:25] <damarusama> I see model 3 doesn't have it anymore
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[1:25] <damarusama> is there an easy way to add it to the board?
[1:25] <BurtyB> damarusama, it's on the audio jack
[1:25] <[Saint]> I accidentally set the voltage threshold for 0% batter to 0.0V
[1:25] <[Saint]> ...idiot!
[1:25] <[Saint]> SO the phone deep discharged itself. >.>
[1:25] <damarusama> BurtyB: what do you mean?
[1:26] <[Saint]> *battery
[1:26] <BurtyB> damarusama, I assume you mean composite video?
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[1:26] <damarusama> yes composite video
[1:26] <damarusama> with the rca jack on the originals ;)
[1:26] <[Saint]> that's all part of the 3.5mm jack
[1:26] <BurtyB> damarusama, http://www.raspberrypi-spy.co.uk/2014/07/raspberry-pi-model-b-3-5mm-audiovideo-jack/
[1:27] <[Saint]> it's a TRRRS socket, you can buy/make breakout cables for it.
[1:27] <damarusama> ho wow
[1:27] <damarusama> nice
[1:27] <[Saint]> They didn't remove it, they just...condensed it.
[1:27] <[Saint]> Some cameras do this already for years.
[1:27] <damarusama> but I should buy model 1 anyhow - do they still make them?
[1:28] <[Saint]> there's no reason to prefer a model 1/2 raspi over a 3.
[1:28] <[Saint]> you would just be paying almost the same price for less overall product.
[1:28] <[Saint]> not worth it by any stretch of the imagination.
[1:28] <[Saint]> may as well get the model 3.
[1:28] <damarusama> well actually for the jack I would
[1:29] <warpie> I have 1 thru 3 pi's
[1:29] <[Saint]> why, when you can buy $2 worth of cable?
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[1:29] <warpie> and a zero
[1:29] <damarusama> well i need 10 of them in a thigh spot
[1:29] <damarusama> the less cable the better for me
[1:29] <warpie> cluster?
[1:29] <damarusama> and it's all single use
[1:29] <damarusama> a small cluster for a cable company
[1:30] <[Saint]> then you get the pi 3 performance and you still get the composite video output.
[1:30] <warpie> or for a classroom
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[1:30] <damarusama> I don't need better performance though
[1:30] <[Saint]> I...errr...why do they all need a monitor if they're in a cluster?
[1:30] <[Saint]> couldn't you just use tightvnc?
[1:31] <damarusama> well maybe i don't use the word cluster well ;)
[1:31] <[Saint]> I guess not.
[1:31] <damarusama> well the output get fed into a cable distribution for television
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[1:31] <[Saint]> aha.
[1:31] <damarusama> each pi control 1 channel on a television network
[1:31] <damarusama> it only need to output a video or a static image
[1:32] <warpie> so a splitter won't work?
[1:32] <Sonny_Jim> So a video wall?
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[1:32] <niston> nah
[1:32] <[Saint]> honestly, I think the way to go is the pi 3 and just spending the little bit extra to get the composite/stereo audio 3.5mm breakout cables.
[1:32] <damarusama> no a distribution system for a small community
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[1:32] <[Saint]> but, that's me.
[1:32] <Sonny_Jim> ah ok
[1:32] <[Saint]> the pi 3 is ssssssooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much more performant than the other models.
[1:32] <warpie> yes
[1:33] <damarusama> for sre if it was just for me
[1:33] <warpie> way more
[1:33] <damarusama> sure
[1:33] <niston> damarusama: this for "info channels" and "test picture in case of channel unavailable" and such?
[1:33] <[Saint]> even if you don't need the extra performance overhead, it's nice to have, no?
[1:33] <[Saint]> for the same price, I mean.
[1:33] <damarusama> not for a single use
[1:33] <[Saint]> if the price were considerably different, I would tend to agree.
[1:34] <[Saint]> but seeing as they are roughly equivalent, I just see the pi model 1/2 as getting less for the same approximate price.
[1:34] <damarusama> there is alreay an adapto from rca to cable, now it's be 1/8 to rca to cable adding more chance of creaking
[1:34] <[Saint]> but, YMMV.
[1:34] <niston> damarusama: just solder some suitable cables
[1:34] <damarusama> hum, maybe if I can have them all in the same box
[1:34] <[Saint]> easily.
[1:35] <damarusama> yeah, but they don't seems to sale the 1 anymore??
[1:35] <niston> huh?
[1:35] <niston> wat?
[1:35] <niston> pi1 out of productoin?
[1:35] <niston> D:
[1:35] <[Saint]> The original models are getting fairly hard to get hold of.
[1:36] <damarusama> I don't see them on rs component
[1:36] <warpie> haven't for a long time
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[1:36] <damarusama> ;(
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[1:36] <warpie> zero is dead too
[1:36] <niston> https://www.adafruit.com/products/1914
[1:36] <niston> OUT OF STOCK
[1:36] <niston> D:
[1:36] <niston> oh noes!
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[1:36] <[Saint]> it is because of the fact that the newer models are all round better, and the same approximate price, basically.
[1:36] * niston runs around in circles and screams
[1:36] <damarusama> ;(
[1:37] <damarusama> is there a place I can get a batch discount on 10 of them?
[1:37] <[Saint]> the march of progress cares not for your need of a sole dedicated composite video out.
[1:37] <[Saint]> sorry.
[1:37] <damarusama> hehehe
[1:37] <[Saint]> *hrug*
[1:37] <niston> hmm
[1:37] <[Saint]> *shrug
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[1:40] <niston> modmyPi still has Pi1 B+ in stock
[1:40] <shauno> b+ doesn't have the rca either?
[1:41] <niston> [Saint]: I really liked the fact that they a) didnt use much power and b) didnt get hot
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[1:43] <warpie> yeh, the zero don't get hot either.. love it
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[1:44] <ziddey> too bad there's no viable bluetooth sdio products. i'd love to get a zero and make a bluetooth a2dp - "ipod" usb device
[1:44] <warpie> only thing that gets warm on the zero is the LED... lol
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[1:45] <damarusama> wow, I haven't shop for the raspberry pi since it was created...
[1:45] <warpie> lot of them , eh?
[1:45] <shauno> surprisingly, adafruit claims to have stock of the original still; https://www.adafruit.com/product/998
[1:45] <warpie> ok, looking
[1:46] <warpie> ahh, that's the B... I am looking for the ver 1 A
[1:47] <ziddey> hmmm i wonder if this would work http://www.amazon.com/BriteLink-Bluetooth-Compatible-exclusive-CyberTech/dp/B00AQSH996
[1:47] <ziddey> that'd be tight
[1:47] <shauno> ah, I missed that. just caught that someone was emotionally attached to the rca port
[1:47] <warpie> lol
[1:47] <ziddey> oh nevermind. i forgot iphone does analog over 30pin
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[1:48] <warpie> of coarse
[1:50] <warpie> ziddey: that one is cheap enuf.. only $9
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[1:50] <ziddey> yeah but i'm imagining it uses analog audio and controls and not the "newer" ipod usb
[1:52] <warpie> well, investigate and find out..
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[1:56] <damarusama> all right thanks, I've order a bunch from adafruit!
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[1:59] <warpie> what you order?
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[2:04] <warpie> oh well, he left... darn it
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[2:12] <niston> should buy them all up
[2:12] <niston> when discontinued, sell on ebay for fabulous prices
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[2:16] <warpie> I know, that's what happened to all the pi zeros... dang greedy ppl
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[2:24] <ziddey> my store has 100 in stock :\
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[2:32] <plum> hi!
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[2:37] <warpie> which one?
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[2:38] <NoFace> Does anyone have experience with the adafruit ultimate gps breakout and the pi?
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[2:39] <NoFace> for some reason I can't get mine to work
[2:39] <NoFace> http://pastebin.com/tvifme2K
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[2:50] <willmore> Has there been any news on the new Pi zero feature?
[2:51] <plum> still sold out, last 5 times I checked
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[2:51] <plum> i think they may be aiming for those to be sold mostly in kits, cause $5 is a steal for them
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[2:52] <ziddey> microcenter got em all
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[2:53] <willmore> No microcenter near me and adafruit's prices are insane.
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[2:54] <willmore> I do like the first reply to the blog post which said there would be a new feature. "Availability?"
[2:54] <willmore> That would be a very nice feature.
[2:56] <BurtyB> heh
[2:56] <NoFace> Does anyone have experience with the adafruit ultimate gps breakout and the pi?
[2:56] <NoFace> for some reason I can't get mine to work
[2:56] <NoFace> http://pastebin.com/tvifme2K
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[3:26] <[Saint]> Man. Finally got lvmetad to stop crying at me across all my Ubuntu Server deployments.
[3:26] <[Saint]> No idea why it isn't installed and configured by default when LVM is used during the setup wizard.
[3:27] <[Saint]> And #ubuntu is largely hopeless.
[3:27] <[Saint]> As usual, the arch wiki saved the day.
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[3:49] <binaryhermit> hmm, for the price pi zeros are selling for I could practically uber round trip to the closest microcenter and buy one
[3:50] <binaryhermit> I mean, from unofficial resellers
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[3:50] <Snp> watch out for those price surges :P
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[3:54] <binaryhermit> right, it is almost $30 one way without price surges
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[3:56] <Snp> jesus
[3:56] <[Saint]> man I love scp.
[3:57] <[Saint]> I really love that you can do a remote->remote copy operation.
[3:57] <[Saint]> bonus points if you do it through a forwarded ssh session.
[3:58] <[Saint]> then it would be a remote remote remote copy operation.
[3:58] <[Saint]> the syntax is plain, and obvious, as well. which is nice.
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[3:59] <Snp> if i teamviewer to my work computer to teamviewer to the management server to teamviewer to one of the production servers, do i win a prize?
[3:59] <Snp> and how many points do i lsoe for having teamviewer on my servers
[4:00] <[Saint]> just 'scp /local/file user@hostname:/path/to/remote' or 'user@hostname:/path/to/remote scp /local/file' or 'user@hostname:/path/to/remote user@hostname:/path/to/remote'
[4:00] <[Saint]> I only recently figured out it could do remote<->remote copy.
[4:01] <[Saint]> accidentally, at that. the best type of accident.
[4:01] <SyncYourDogmas> scp is great
[4:02] <SyncYourDogmas> source target
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[4:03] <[Saint]> my ssh is secured like a fortress, and it uses the ssh backend and authentication methods, so it was always the natural choice for me I think.
[4:03] <Voop> you cant ssh into a windows machine, right?
[4:03] <[Saint]> No idea how I went the better part of a decade, perhaps longer, without knowing it could do remote<->remote transfers though.
[4:03] <SyncYourDogmas> so if your at home /homesaint/dir user@remote://home/user
[4:04] <SyncYourDogmas> best bit is -r for recursive
[4:04] <[Saint]> Voop: yes, you can.
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[4:05] <[Saint]> not natively, though.
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[4:05] <[Saint]> well...maybe natively, in win10, with the canonical bash backend stuffs.
[4:06] <[Saint]> Voop: https://github.com/PowerShell/Win32-OpenSSH/releases/
[4:06] <SyncYourDogmas> yeah you can :)
[4:07] <SyncYourDogmas> but you need to run it in cygwin
[4:07] <Voop> neat
[4:07] <SyncYourDogmas> or seperate app
[4:07] <Voop> so you need to rig it up basically
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[4:07] <[Saint]> No one should _ever_ use CygWin.
[4:07] <[Saint]> <insert frowny face here>
[4:08] <[Saint]> The real answer to this would be in the very near future when Canonical and Microsoft get bash in a Windows environment completely ironed out.
[4:09] <[Saint]> But the second best thing is using the openssh server backend for Windows.
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[4:09] <[Saint]> see https://github.com/PowerShell/Win32-OpenSSH/wiki/Install-Win32-OpenSSH for details
[4:11] <[Saint]> It is from the PowerShell team, and is a fully functional port of OpenSSh Server - it's pretty neat.
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[4:12] <warpie> ty , [Saint]
[4:12] <[Saint]> What for?
[4:12] <warpie> for the info you shared...
[4:13] <[Saint]> Oh. No problem my man.
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[4:13] <warpie> yup... :-)
[4:13] <[Saint]> Share the love, etc.
[4:14] <warpie> yes, I agree...
[4:14] <[Saint]> On the odd occasion when I'm forced into a Windows ecosystem, I like to have a functional and fully featured ssh backend.
[4:14] <SyncYourDogmas> btw
[4:14] <[Saint]> So I figured other people might like to, too.
[4:14] <SyncYourDogmas> if you make a guest account with limited permissions etc
[4:15] <warpie> yes, definitely
[4:15] <SyncYourDogmas> its a great way to share files
[4:16] <[Saint]> I generally use a little ftp fileserver instance for that, especially if it only needs to be temporary.
[4:17] <[Saint]> I couldn't be arsed taking down the truly militant protections I have in place for my ssh connections for the sake of sharing some files.
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[4:17] <[Saint]> but if your ssh is more forgiving than mine is, I could se eit maybe being useful.
[4:17] <[Saint]> *see it
[4:17] <SyncYourDogmas> guest account :) different permissions
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[4:18] <[Saint]> global ssh deamon ain't havin' none of that noise, yo.
[4:19] <SyncYourDogmas> sshd_config does varu
[4:20] <[Saint]> anyone that isn't on an approved list of users matched against hostname/addresses, matched against MAC, with 4096 bit key, and 64 character passphrase, with my two factor authorization token, is going to bounce right off.
[4:21] <[Saint]> and if by some reason they got far enough to be able to get enough credentials to even get to the passphrase prompt, fail2ban would nuke them after a single failed auth attempt.
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[4:22] <SyncYourDogmas> sounds like a challenge :P one person at a time though
[4:23] <[Saint]> that's if they manage to get through the firewall/router box that stands between my local networks and the outside world, which has even more militant routing rules.
[4:23] <[Saint]> and behind NAT.
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[4:24] <SyncYourDogmas> NAT is like a corner on the road :)
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[4:26] <[Saint]> I'm not confident about a lot of things, but I'm confident that no one is getting through to my machines via SSH without me first allowing them to do so.
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[4:26] <[Saint]> Or in the case of an absolute systems compromise, of course.
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[4:43] <[Saint]> What the...
[4:43] <[Saint]> Android Developers/Google do a terrible job at compressing the Android SDK.
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[4:45] <[Saint]> I can download it, extract it, run the SDK Manager and install the current SDK platform, platform tools, build tools, and the android compatibility library and then wrap it up in my own .tar.gz archive (same compression format they used originally), and have it come out smaller than the original download.
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[4:46] <SyncYourDogmas> Saint I'm just installing that windows sshd
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[4:47] <SyncYourDogmas> when I make a guest account, wanna finnally grab that py script!
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[5:40] <Sapio> Good afternoon
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[5:41] <Sapio> I have a question about an odd thing I am encountering using a pi and a relay.
[5:41] <Sapio> I currently have two programs using the same GPIO pin.
[5:41] <Sapio> I noticed that with one program, when I turn on an LED, it makes a clicking noise.
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[5:42] <Sapio> With the other program, HomeAssistant, I can turn the LED light on, but it doesn't make a clicking noise.
[5:44] <johndau> / #winapi
[5:44] <johndau> oops
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[5:52] <methuzla> Sapio, so GPIO is driving the relay?
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[5:52] <Valduare> what fun would you guys have if you had this ? http://amzn.to/1SlNuUj
[5:54] <Sapio> Yes
[5:54] <Sapio> I have GPIO4 hooked up to IN1 on the relay.
[5:55] <methuzla> what's the relay?
[5:55] <Sapio> GPIO3 is hooked up to an LED. I think I may have just burned out GPIO3. Its no longer working.
[5:55] <Sapio> It's a Sain Smart 2 relay module.
[5:58] <Sapio> When GPIO4 turns LOW, it flips the relay and closes a circuit I built with an LED light that's hooked up to GPIO3 for the power.
[5:59] <methuzla> that's not how it works
[5:59] <Sapio> Which part?
[5:59] <methuzla> do you have a link to the relay?
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[5:59] <Sapio> Not sure what you mean by a "link"
[6:00] <methuzla> is it this? http://www.sainsmart.com/arduino-pro-mini.html
[6:01] <Sapio> Yep
[6:01] <Sapio> It's kinda like this GPIO4 -> RELAY -> LED -> GPIO3. I omitted the negative
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[6:03] <methuzla> looks like the relay board has control inputs: GND, IN1, IN2, VCC
[6:03] <methuzla> how have you connected those to the pi?
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[6:04] <Sapio> VCC <- 5V IN1 <- GPIO4
[6:05] <methuzla> no GND?
[6:05] <Sapio> Yes, that's just plugged in GND.
[6:05] <Sapio> Pin 9
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[6:06] <methuzla> Pin 9 = GND
[6:06] <Sapio> yep
[6:06] <methuzla> and GPIO4 = Pin 7 ?
[6:06] <Sapio> yep
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[6:07] <methuzla> what is the LED?
[6:07] <Sapio> pin 5 GPIO3 for +
[6:08] <methuzla> i mean is the LED just a standard little 5mm type, or something else?
[6:08] <Sapio> - goes into a resistor which then goes to the Common on the relay.
[6:08] <Sapio> It's a standard LED. It came with the Arduino kit.
[6:08] <methuzla> what's the value of the resistor?
[6:10] <Sapio> 220
[6:10] <Sapio> 3 bands, Purple Orange Red
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[6:12] <methuzla> 220 = red red brown
[6:12] <methuzla> purple orange red = 7.3k
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[6:15] <Sapio> I'm sure it's a 220. The Arduino kit book has the coloring scheme and shows 220 for this color combo.
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[6:16] <methuzla> ok. ignore the led for now.
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[6:16] <methuzla> i'm not sure you can drive the relay board straight off the GPIO as you have it hooked up
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[6:17] <Sapio> That doesn't explain why the pin on the LED burned out and not the pin for relay.
[6:17] <Sapio> Are the pins always outputting 3.3V?
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[6:18] <Sapio> I checked GPIO3 with a multimeter and it read like .06
[6:18] <methuzla> you can't drive an LED from the GPIO pins, they can't supply enough current
[6:18] <Sapio> I checked another pin and it was 3.3
[6:18] <methuzla> the pins are 3.3v logic
[6:18] <Sapio> Ah
[6:18] <Sapio> I see
[6:18] <Sapio> By current, do you mean mA?
[6:19] <Sapio> I'm still new to electricity
[6:19] <methuzla> yes. m = milli, A = amp
[6:19] <Sapio> How much does an LED need?
[6:20] <methuzla> varies, but typically around 20mA
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[6:22] <methuzla> that page with the relay has a link to this github repo: https://github.com/fixedd/RPi_Relay_Interface#readme
[6:22] <methuzla> looks like someones effort to interface the board to a pi
[6:23] <Sapio> I'm looking at some docs. I do see multiple site quoting 16mA per pin.
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[6:23] <Sapio> max
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[6:24] <Sapio> Smokes. The Arduino could do it, I though the Pi would have been able to do turn on the LED as well.
[6:24] <methuzla> they're different beast
[6:24] <Sapio> I'm burning and learning. :)
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[6:25] <Sapio> For the Pi, Never demand that any output pin source or sink more than 16 mA.
[6:25] <methuzla> so by trying to drive an LED directly from a GPIO pin, you tried to draw more current than it could deliver
[6:26] <Sapio> If I use a bigger resistor will that lower the current?
[6:26] <methuzla> yes, but you still don't drive directly from GPIO
[6:26] <methuzla> you need to use transistors or similar
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[6:28] <Sapio> Ok, so now I know why the pin is burned out. I still don't know why the clicking occurred with one program and not the other.
[6:29] <Sapio> I guess I'll have to rewire on a different pin with a bigger resistor and transistor as a buffer, then try to reproduce the issue.
[6:29] <methuzla> that's best
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[6:31] <Sapio> Thanks for all your help. I'll be back if that weird issue continues.
[6:32] <methuzla> you should probably use some transistors to interface to the relay board as well
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[6:33] <methuzla> it appears to work by grounding the 5V supply through an optoisolator that then activates the relay
[6:33] <Sapio> Will definitely look into that.
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[6:34] <methuzla> so by hooking IN1 directly to GPIO, you are essentially hooking up 5V supply to GPIO
[6:34] <methuzla> which isn't a good idea
[6:34] <Sapio> This video helped me understand the relay.
[6:34] <Sapio> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLFQ8sBWc80
[6:34] <Sapio> I should use a separate 5V power supply, but I just got lazy.
[6:35] <Sapio> I'm sure I have a 5V wall wart somewhere
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[6:35] <mlelstv> http://www.mosaic-industries.com/embedded-systems/microcontroller-projects/raspberry-pi/gpio-pin-electrical-specifications
[6:36] <methuzla> interfacing with an arduino is generally easier, as they are 5V and i think their pins can source more mA
[6:37] <Sapio> Yeah, but I can't run Python, lol.
[6:37] <Sapio> * it
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[6:39] <Sapio> Anyway, thanks for all your help. I'm going to check out. My bedtime is coming up.
[6:39] <methuzla> goodluck
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[6:52] <[Saint]> Holy balls - why is it so unreasonably difficult to do wlan0 -> eth0 connection sharing in a headless environment?
[6:52] <mlelstv> ?
[6:53] * sphenxes01 (~sphenxes@194-118-165-34.adsl.highway.telekom.at) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[6:54] <[Saint]> machine A has a wireless connection, and an ethernet port. machine B has no wireless connection, and an ethernet port. machine A manages internet and local network connection sharing over ethernet to machine B.
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[6:55] <[Saint]> ridiculously easy to do in a DE. Like, one or two mouse clicks.
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[6:55] <[Saint]> foolishly convoluted to do in a headless environment, for some odd reason.
[6:55] <SyncYourDogmas> Ive got ibe like it man
[6:56] <SyncYourDogmas> ah shit nvm
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[7:03] <mlelstv> no idea why 'headless' vs 'desktop' changes anything
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[7:06] <[Saint]> 'click, click, enable internet connection sharing, click, click'
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[7:07] <[Saint]> vs. 'faff around with dnsmasq and ipmasq and iptables rules for ~10 minutes'
[7:07] <ziddey> bridging is tough. natting is by the book
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[7:24] <Voop> hey ziddey
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[7:26] <Voop> got my gameboy guts in the mail today. gonna make one bitchin pi-boy
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[7:28] <iKarith> Voop: Original GameBoy is sometimes yours for the asking if you buy a few games just because they're not worth repairing if they break. ;)
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[7:29] <Voop> i couldn't find nearly any broken gameboys for sale
[7:29] <Voop> i found that pretty odd
[7:29] <Voop> ended up buying just the PCB off ebay for $10
[7:32] <ziddey> bridging is tough. natting is by the book
[7:33] <ziddey> oops
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[7:35] <ziddey> pi guy
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[7:54] <brianx> i have a dumb question. i have a standard micro usb data cable from my phone and a usb hub. can i use them to connect my Zero and my USB keyboard? i'd just do it, but i don't have the micro hdmi adapter yet.
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[8:06] <Voop> you need a micro usb to macro usb adapter
[8:07] <brianx> so the signal won't propagate through a usb hub?
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[8:07] <Voop> well you can power the pi with the micro usb cable
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[8:08] <Voop> cant plug a keyboard into it without an adapter
[8:10] <brianx> thank you. that's what i needed to know. can't really tell until i have the hdmi adapter that's on order.
[8:10] <brianx> bummer that it can't just use the phone data and usb hub, but that would have been too easy.
[8:10] <Voop> im in the same boat. have everything for the zero but the hdmi adapter
[8:10] <Voop> bought it from a company with
[8:10] <Voop> "USA" in their name
[8:11] <Voop> but they are from China of course
[8:11] <brianx> unfortunately, i want to use gadget usb ethernet so it'll normally be connected to the hub but that's not allowing me to figure out why it sometimes disconnects.
[8:12] <brianx> of course. anything to mislead. unfortunately, it worked. all you can do is give a poor review.
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[9:53] <ChunkzZ1> hopefully my pi 3 will be here today :)
[9:53] <xtr33> Hi guys, just brought a pi 3 model B, using rasplex, very happy with performance.
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[9:54] <ShorTie> Cool
[9:54] <xtr33> Loving it, you'll be loving yours too ChunkzZ1
[9:55] <ChunkzZ1> yeah :)
[9:55] <ChunkzZ1> I'll be using debian with i3 though, not rasplex.
[9:55] <ShorTie> i3 ??
[9:56] <ChunkzZ1> ShorTie, i3 window manager
[9:57] <ShorTie> oh, as a ldxe replacement
[9:57] <SyncYourDogmas> ah good idea
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[9:57] <SyncYourDogmas> whats rasplex though?
[9:57] <ShorTie> twas thinking what does a intel processor got to do with it, lol
[9:57] <ChunkzZ1> not sure if he means this http://raspex.exton.se/
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[9:57] <ChunkzZ1> lol ShorTie :p
[9:59] <ShorTie> they pick ldxe because of it's lightwieght, pi ain't no super pc
[9:59] <SyncYourDogmas> tmux mate
[9:59] <SyncYourDogmas> dont need no stinking x11
[10:00] <xtr33> Sorry, It's a media centre based on xbmc
[10:00] <xtr33> got all my stuff on the pc and it just plays over the network, easy as setup, had no problems whatsoever
[10:00] <ChunkzZ1> ShorTie, http://ultraimg.com/images/2016-04-21-085901_1920x1080_scrot.png
[10:01] <ShorTie> nifty
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[10:02] <ChunkzZ1> it's faster than a traditional desktop like lxde
[10:04] <SyncYourDogmas> i3?
[10:04] <SyncYourDogmas> ah xmbc
[10:05] <SyncYourDogmas> I have heard good things
[10:05] <SyncYourDogmas> 'Ive been boring and stuck to raspian twice, but think I'll go arch next
[10:05] <ChunkzZ1> better off using osmc or openelec than rasplex lol
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[10:06] <ChunkzZ1> SyncYourDogmas, I wouldn't bother with arch, devs always breaking things. seg faulting etc and chromium doesn't work
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[10:06] <ChunkzZ1> jessie lite is the best option imo
[10:06] <ChunkzZ1> build your own liking
[10:06] <SyncYourDogmas> ChunkzZ1: I ran arch for four years :P
[10:06] <SyncYourDogmas> itll be fine
[10:06] <ChunkzZ1> :P good luck with their support.
[10:07] <SyncYourDogmas> its a do it yourself distro
[10:07] <Armand> What is this "support" you talk of ?
[10:07] <Armand> I know not of this "support"...
[10:07] <ChunkzZ1> yeah I know, I've used it before...
[10:07] <ChunkzZ1> Armand, fu :p
[10:08] <Armand> ^_^
[10:08] <Armand> Guess what my job is... lol
[10:08] <ChunkzZ1> troll op?
[10:08] <ChunkzZ1> XD
[10:08] <Armand> YES! ^_^
[10:08] <Armand> I mean.. *cough*
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[10:08] <Armand> SysAdmin, webhosting.. so, yeah.. "support" :P
[10:09] <ChunkzZ1> lol
[10:09] <ChunkzZ1> :P
[10:12] * defsdoor is wondering if anyone has figured out how to talk to gas/electric smart meter and made their own IHD
[10:13] <ChunkzZ1> O_o
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[10:16] <defsdoor> hmm ok so they use Zigbee
[10:17] <SyncYourDogmas> they sell them at pc world, to be self installed
[10:17] <SyncYourDogmas> so nothing fundamental stopping you I think
[10:18] <defsdoor> yeah this is a smart meter though - built in to the utility meter
[10:18] <defsdoor> the self buy ones are electric only and work in induction measuring
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[10:18] <defsdoor> I've got a smart meter but the utiilty provided ihd is crap
[10:19] <defsdoor> it times out to a useless screen - so you cant see current usage at a glance
[10:19] <defsdoor> the cynic in me thinks this is clearly deliberate
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[10:27] <SyncYourDogmas> ah nah theres some ones with better graphics than an Imax these days
[10:28] <SyncYourDogmas> a wide range is good I Suppose
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[10:30] <ChunkzZ1> last question from me, what's the proper way to shutdown the pi 2/3?
[10:30] <Armand> shutdown -h now
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[10:32] <ShorTie> same way as any linux system
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[10:40] <SyncYourDogmas> well
[10:40] <SyncYourDogmas> init 0 will do it too I think
[10:40] <SyncYourDogmas> as well pulling the power on a pi
[10:40] <SyncYourDogmas> it cant halt anyway
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[10:54] <ChunkzZ1> thanks Armand.
[10:55] <Armand> np
[10:55] <ChunkzZ1> I was doing "shutdown now" lol
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[11:24] <tommy``> guys there is some user friendly tool to create database on my pi2?
[11:25] <RoBo_V> tommy``: what kind of database
[11:26] <tommy``> hi RoBo_V: i want to make with my comic collection
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[11:28] <RoBo_V> you can make it over mysql
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[11:36] <SyncYourDogmas> tommy``: sqlite is pretty userfreindly iirc
[11:37] <Habbie> it is
[11:37] <tommy``> SyncYourDogmas: i've installed mysql, it's sqlite similar?
[11:37] <SyncYourDogmas> yeah smaller and easier. to install it walks you through it
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[11:41] <tommy``> SyncYourDogmas: i've to remove previous mysql ?
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[11:41] <Habbie> tommy``, no, you can have both installed
[11:42] <tommy``> ah ok
[11:42] <Habbie> tommy``, but please understand that having mysql installed will make it run automatically which will eat some RAM
[11:42] <Habbie> while sqlite only uses RAM when you use it
[11:42] <tommy``> ok Habbie, how can i remove mysql ?
[11:42] <Habbie> how did you install it?
[11:42] <tommy``> with apt-get
[11:43] <SyncYourDogmas> do a purge of it too
[11:43] <SyncYourDogmas> no space on the pi to breath
[11:43] <tommy``> ok wait i search the commands
[11:44] <Habbie> what SyncYourDogmas said, yes
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[11:45] <tommy``> ok i made this sudo apt-get install mysql-server php5-mysql
[11:45] <tommy``> previous
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[11:50] <tommy``> sudo apt-get remove --purge mysql\* <---- bye bye
[11:51] <SyncYourDogmas> yup
[11:51] <SyncYourDogmas> then run pstree
[11:52] <SyncYourDogmas> shouldn't see any junk
[11:53] <tommy``> pstree, show me a tree with some things
[11:53] <tommy``> i see this ├─mysqld_safe───mysqld───18*[{mysqld}]
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[11:56] <tommy``> \_ /usr/sbin/mysqld --basedir=/usr --datadir=/var/lib/mysql --plugin-dir=/usr/lib/mysql/plugin --user=mysql --log-error=/var/log/mysql/error.log --pid-file=/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.
[11:59] <gordonDrogon> odd that its still running after the remove/purge, but a simple reboot will fix, or just kill the processes - killall mysql
[11:59] <tommy``> ok i'llre boot
[12:00] <skazz> Anyone here know why a touch screen would randomly missalign some boots but not others? (Very simple xinit script, no other config around the touch, just call xinput with the calibration settings before loading the window manager)
[12:01] <tommy``> could i use same command to remove nginx?
[12:01] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[12:01] <tommy``> sudo apt-get remove --purge nginx\*
[12:02] <tommy``> I'm not sure if is installed
[12:02] <gordonDrogon> I usually just use: apt-get purge <package>
[12:02] <gordonDrogon> dpkg -l | grep nginx
[12:02] <gordonDrogon> will tell you.
[12:02] <tommy``> seems not
[12:02] <tommy``> pi@raspberrypi:~ $ dpkg -l | grep nginx
[12:02] <tommy``> pi@raspberrypi:~ $
[12:03] <gordonDrogon> not installed then.
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[12:03] <tommy``> ok
[12:03] <gordonDrogon> although sometimes capitals and '-' symbols get in the way - be a bit cruder with e.g. dpkg -l | grep -i ngi
[12:03] <tommy``> ah ok
[12:03] <gordonDrogon> etc.
[12:04] <tommy``> anyway the reboot fix that mysqld issue
[12:04] <tommy``> ;)
[12:04] <tommy``> let's proceed install sql lite
[12:04] <tommy``> gordonDrogon: http://raspberrywebserver.com/sql-databases/set-up-an-sqlite-database-on-a-raspberry-pi.html this is good tutorial?
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[12:06] <tommy``> let's make a: sudo apt-get install sqlite3 sqlite3-doc
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[12:07] <ChunkzZ1> anyone know a good video/audio player for pi 2/3?
[12:07] <ChunkzZ1> vlc is lagging like mad lol
[12:08] <gordonDrogon> tommy``, it looks ok - I use both mysql and sqlite, but not on Pi's.
[12:08] <gordonDrogon> tommy``, do you really need a relational database though?
[12:09] <tommy``> i think, why? I want to make my own comic database accessible on pi2 and later make some web page to search/add comics
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[12:09] <gordonDrogon> ok
[12:09] <tommy``> why you ask me? i'm curious
[12:10] <ChunkzZ1> nevermind. XD
[12:10] <gordonDrogon> I often think people just into sql databases because they might not be aware of anything else.
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[12:10] <SyncYourDogmas> yeah, I would use xml myself
[12:10] <SyncYourDogmas> other people json or csv
[12:12] <gordonDrogon> for searching an "index" is the thing you need - and most databases provide this functionality, but if your DB is only going to be a few 1000 entries it might be quicker to keep it as a text file and simply read it all in - however the issue then is updating - especially from a multi-user web server type scenario.
[12:14] <gordonDrogon> and I guess I'm a bit of an efficiency freak too. going sql for a simple key:value type database involves a lot of code and overhead. Then again, it might simplify the application accessing the data... swings & roundabouts.
[12:14] <tommy``> my db will have: name, author, price, and "picture" if possible, then from a web page i'll call a query to search for title, author, description, etc.. and when i'll go to some comic-con of comic shop i'll add automatically what i bought with my cellphone, because sometimes i forgot to add on my .exel list :)
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[12:14] <gordonDrogon> I do try to keep stuff human readable though - makes program debugging easier at times.
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[12:15] <gordonDrogon> sometimes better to store the picture outside the database and store the filename of the picture in the database.
[12:16] <tommy``> ok i'll have some folder with pictures
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[12:18] <tommy``> as regards some basic php templates to access database, do you have some tips to gave me?
[12:19] <SyncYourDogmas> whats the maximum amount of comics you think you'll have btw?
[12:19] <tommy``> argh, about 2000
[12:19] <SyncYourDogmas> gordonDrogon: I Was thinking a balananced tree
[12:19] <SyncYourDogmas> yeah no need for huge ungainly db for that
[12:20] <tommy``> "ungainly" ? whats means sorry
[12:20] <gordonDrogon> tommy``, not really. I've written thousdands of lines of php for mysql databases access (last big project was a voip billing system) and decided it's the sort of programming I utterly and positively hate doing.
[12:20] <Armand> tommy``: Do you know what this does on MySQL?? set GLOBAL log_queries_not_using_indexes=ON;
[12:21] <tommy``> no Armand i dunno
[12:21] <Armand> It seems to be short-form for "How to generate a 269GB log file" :P
[12:22] <myke> it does exactly what it says
[12:22] <myke> logs every query that doesn't employ an index
[12:22] <Armand> myke: ;)
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[12:22] <Armand> 269GB!
[12:22] <Beschwa> how to get channel 13 on my pi3's wifi working ok? it always gets kernel panics
[12:22] <tommy``> Armand, i don't understood why you told me this, sorry
[12:22] <myke> sounds like you have a lot of queries that don't use indexes
[12:22] <Armand> All of them.. lmao
[12:23] <Armand> tommy``: Because when using MySQL, be careful with logging..
[12:23] <tommy``> ah ok, so you give me the tips to no logging, right?
[12:23] <Armand> Sure, log stuff.. but keep a check on *what* you are logging..
[12:24] <tommy``> why I could have a lot of query that doesn't use indexes, give an example please
[12:24] <Armand> I can't say "why", specifically.. I have no context.
[12:24] <Armand> It happens..
[12:25] <Armand> My client just so happens to be serving some rather old websites, so I'd have to guess that no-one updates the DBs.
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[12:27] <mfa298> the alternative a relational DB (mysql, sqlite) or text files could be one of the nosql / document store things out there like CouchDB, MongoDB etc. in a simple setup they give you a step up from just text files.
[12:28] <tommy``> mfa298, reading now what's mongo is
[12:28] <vNistelroot> hi people
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[12:29] <tommy``> hello vNistelroot
[12:30] <vNistelroot> hello tommy``
[12:30] <vNistelroot> just bought raspberry pi 3 and tried transmission-daemon to download torrents, but after few minutes, daemon crashes, pi still running, but a service restart is required
[12:31] <vNistelroot> same on my pi model b
[12:31] <vNistelroot> is someone experiencing something similar?
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[12:32] <vNistelroot> ive tried to tweak config files, cache-size, upgrading system, store torrents on sd card, on external drive.. etc
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[12:32] <phil42> the alternatel install image has been released
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[12:33] <phil42> the server install image has been released
[12:33] <vNistelroot> do you mean raspbian?
[12:34] <phil42> no ubuntu
[12:34] <mfa298> vNistelroot: as a starting point you probably want to look at the various logs as it may well be logging why the program is exiting, that will then hopefully give you an idea of what to tune
[12:36] <vNistelroot> yup you´re correct, i will enable logging because there is no log by default
[12:36] <vNistelroot> nothing strange in /var/log/messages
[12:38] <mfa298> if the system is running systemd look at it's logs as well, probably with sudo journalctl
[12:38] <vNistelroot> thank you mfa298, ill try it, i never give up on such things :)
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[12:52] <Jusii> pihut has Zero's in stock
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[12:55] <skazz> Does audio support with the browser require pulseaudio or does it work with just the alsa?
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[12:57] <ashkanull> I want to control an airconditioner through its remote control but I'm somehow stuck on getting the infrared receiver to work. :/
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[12:58] <niston> finally
[12:58] <niston> was able to order a Zero
[12:58] <Voop> Jusii, quick on the draw there
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[12:58] <lif> pi zero itself costs £4.25 and shipping costs £4.00 :P
[12:59] <Voop> ive been refreshing the page every 20 min or so
[12:59] <ashkanull> I've connected a led to the IR receiver so I know it's working.
[12:59] <ashkanull> also mode2 -d /dev/lirc0 command reads jibberish values like pulse 1860238 space 30 space 366958 whenever I play with input line cable
[12:59] <ashkanull> but it doesn't work !
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[13:00] <Voop> have you read at least two dozen tutorials yet
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[13:01] <Voop> pi
[13:01] <Voop> zeros are sold out already
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[13:01] <Jusii> Voop: had notification from them, last time I missed it anyway
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[13:05] <Voop> i drove a bit over 100 miles to pick one up from micro center
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[13:05] <lif> it's not showing sold out to me at least
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[13:06] <Voop> it told me sold out when i was on the last page of ordering
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[13:07] <ozzzy> forgive me if I don't see the draw of the zero
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[13:08] <Voop> ozzzy, how much did your breakfast cost you this morning
[13:08] <ozzzy> 70 cents
[13:08] <ozzzy> well... 67 cents
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[13:09] <Voop> well then I can see why you don't see the draw. Too pricey of a machine for you
[13:09] <ozzzy> money has nothing to do with it
[13:09] * ozzzy buy's $300 SBCs to do things
[13:09] <skazz> alsa is detecting the Pi's headphone socket as mono, but i definetly have a stareo input and speakers
[13:10] <skazz> Anyone know why the pi would be set to mono?
[13:10] <SyncYourDogmas> alsamixer
[13:10] <SyncYourDogmas> run it in terminal
[13:10] <Voop> well cost is the entire draw of the zero (besides size). If you mess up and break the thing you're out $5 rather than $35 before the zero
[13:10] <ozzzy> but there's just not enough of a size differential between a Pi2 and a zero to justify the drop in resources etc.
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[13:10] <monoxane> who summoned thy?
[13:11] <monoxane> oh, fucking audio talk always pings me
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[13:11] <ShorTie> you need to read the topic
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[14:37] <ozone89> HELL-o!
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[14:40] <ozone89> I'm putting together a roster printer (I'm a cabin crew), using a thermal printer, a LED and a speaker.
[14:40] <ozone89> now, the printer is connected via serial connection to the GPIO, same for the LED
[14:41] <ozone89> the problem is, I need a small speaker that could, if possible, be attached to the GPIO as well, as it only have to play a lo-hi chime you'd hear onboard
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[14:41] <ozone89> does anyone know about a suitable speaker? :)
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[15:12] <Zardoz> oh mans
[15:12] <Zardoz> guess what I got
[15:12] <Armand> ZX Spectrum ?
[15:12] <Zardoz> nope
[15:13] <Armand> Amstrad CPC464 ?
[15:13] <Zardoz> gps data streaming in on the Pi
[15:13] <Armand> :)
[15:14] <Armand> Good stuff.. I've been considering such a project myself.. but I need to run Android and run apps remotely.
[15:15] <Zardoz> yeah I am going to use it for NTP stratum 1 data
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[15:20] <zamba> is there a way i can measure that my pi is getting "clean" power?
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[15:20] <zamba> what does that even mean?
[15:22] <Zardoz> most like the easiest way is to get some USB doctor or something that would measure the USB power supply and test under load.
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[15:23] <Zardoz> most USB doctors are cheap and only give you real basic info...
[15:24] <Zardoz> and ones that do at least a half-way good job will cost you 30 -40 bucks.
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[15:28] <saph0> zamba: run it off a battery inline with a charger maybe
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[15:29] <zamba> saph0: you have to be a more specific :)
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[15:30] <saph0> well clean power is spike-less power , as i understand it anyway,
[15:30] <saph0> so you want a spike-less source of dc
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[15:31] <saph0> i.e. battery .. those 2ah USB phone rechargers might work well
[15:31] <saph0> tho i haven't tried it
[15:32] <saph0> really shouldn't be necessary tho, unless maybe your AC supply is really sketchy
[15:32] <Zardoz> not spike-less, but one with less ripple "clean" and good steady that does not drop under load. 5v/smps
[15:33] <zamba> can you link me to some actual products?
[15:33] <zamba> and what's a 2ah usb phone recharger?
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[15:33] <Zardoz> what power supplies?
[15:34] <Zardoz> you have amazon account?
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[15:34] <zamba> sure
[15:34] <zamba> but i have no idea what to search fo
[15:34] <zamba> +r
[15:34] <zamba> especially when saph0 says "those 2ah usb phone rechargers"
[15:34] <Zardoz> sure one sec. canakit has nice ones.
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[15:35] <Zardoz> http://www.amazon.com/CanaKit-Raspberry-Supply-Adapter-Charger/dp/B00MARDJZ4/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1461245709&sr=8-7&keywords=canakit
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[15:36] <Zardoz> that will work on pi 2 or 3 and is a nice supply
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[15:37] <Zardoz> it does 5v 2.5amps and will handle everything pi :P
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[15:38] <Zardoz> also the ri foundation one is nice and international.
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[16:21] <rvl> Hi, I just updated archlinux on rpi2 and during the installation (by pacman) something seemd to go wrong as the cli listed several errors. After this I tried to list some files in a directory by using ls /usr/... but the cli returned "command not found". It seemd none of the commands are working anymore. ssh server also stopped working.
[16:21] <rvl> Any ideas on what is the best way to try to recover my system?
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[16:21] <ChunkzZ1> rvl, /join #archlinux-arm
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[16:23] <Zardoz> sounds like file corruption not good...
[16:23] <rvl> I'll do that
[16:23] <rvl> I would think pacman only has validated packages and would not corrupt the file system
[16:23] <ChunkzZ1> rvl, don't expect much from them though.
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[16:23] <ChunkzZ1> help*
[16:24] <Zardoz> rvl, not talking about the package
[16:24] <SyncYourDogmas> find bash
[16:24] <SyncYourDogmas> or sh
[16:24] <SyncYourDogmas> or cd into /usr/bin
[16:25] <ChunkzZ1> what's a good zip/rar software for pi2/3?
[16:26] <JK-47> gui or cli?
[16:26] <JK-47> why not just unzip and unrar?
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[16:27] <ChunkzZ1> need it for sabnzbdplus
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[16:38] <Zardoz> http://whereismypizero.com/ sad times :P
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[16:41] <shiftplusone> Zardoz: well, they are being made in higher quantity and with a new feature, so the wait might be worth it for some
[16:41] <Habbie> what's the new feature?
[16:41] <methuzla> availability?
[16:42] <shiftplusone> With luck, next batch might last more than a few minutes.
[16:42] <shiftplusone> Habbie: hasn't been revealed
[16:42] <Habbie> ah
[16:42] <ali1234> shiftplusone: will the USB test points stay the same?
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[16:43] <shiftplusone> No idea, that would be a question for the hardware team
[16:43] <ali1234> how do i contact them?
[16:43] <Zardoz> shiftplusone, what? that has nothing to do with availability, enless you are saying they have stopped al production of pi0 till the newone comes out....
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[16:43] <ChunkzZ1> wait, new zero?!
[16:44] <shiftplusone> forum would probably be best bet if you don't want to be intrusive
[16:44] <ali1234> i already asked on the forum
[16:44] <ali1234> my question was lost in the noise
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[16:45] <Apocx> anyone successfully setup a wifi AP on a pi? I tried setting one up with hostapd and dnsmasq, and I can see the network on my phone, but can't connect. dmesg reports "assoc success" then "ap recv disassoc reason code(8)" which according to the standard is "Disassociated because sending STA is leaving (or has left) BSS"
[16:45] <Roonix> what do you mean Zardoz? ofc higher production has to do with availability and yes they did stop production of zeros while the pi 3 was being released
[16:45] <ChunkzZ1> shiftplusone, there's a new zero coming?
[16:46] <Apocx> which it should only report if the phone is leaving the area
[16:46] <plugwash> Zardoz, AIUI zero production was paused because keeping the flagship pi3 on the shelves was a higher priority and it has now been restarted with a new feature added (I know what it is, but i'm not allowed to reveal it)
[16:46] <Roonix> not really a "new" zero, they're just adding a feature to it
[16:46] <Zardoz> Roonix, in that rearguard ok, understand. I was not aware they stopped production for pi3...
[16:46] <shiftplusone> ChunkzZ1: bottom of this post https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/game-boy-zero/
[16:47] <ChunkzZ1> nice! I was going to get 1 too! YAY.
[16:48] <ali1234> "If you want the forum to be boring boring boring, that could also be arranged." - yes please, they might actually be useful then
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[16:49] <ali1234> oh and now the thread is locked too
[16:49] <Zardoz> shiftplusone, that you for the link it's more clear now...
[16:49] <ali1234> "please don't open a new one"
[16:49] <samskiter> ahoy. is there any way to lock the raspberry pi compute module to prevent it being mounted?
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[16:50] <samskiter> something i can do to lock it out from being reflashed or mounted. i dont know exactly what goes on when we try to mount one…
[16:52] <Zardoz> plugwash, yeah I was not aware of that, but I can understand. must to be good to have hit after hit products.
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[16:52] <SuperRoach> If I have a image of noobs that's been running on a rpi3 - can I swap the sd card into a rpi2 and have it still work?
[16:53] <Zardoz> plugwash, that also explains why I see pi0 going for 80 bucks...
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[16:57] <Zardoz> SuperRoach, I tried that with a pi2 to pi3 (yes the software was up to date) and id did not work for me. I was prepared to re-img anyways, so your mileage my very...
[16:58] <shiftplusone> SuperRoach: running what? If it's Raspbian, yes.
[16:58] <SuperRoach> Raspian yes
[16:58] <shiftplusone> should work
[16:58] <SuperRoach> Zardoz, firstly hey lol, secondly rpi2-3 should be a smooth move. Didn't know about downwards though.
[16:59] <plugwash> the problem most people run into with noobs is going forward to newer hardware
[16:59] <Zardoz> SuperRoach, yeah it should work. any direction, as long its all updated. I am sure it was somthing I had going but I have to report it that way...
[17:00] <plugwash> noobs was never designed to be updated :(
[17:00] <Zardoz> yeah I dont use noobs
[17:00] <Zardoz> I guess I should have sed that....
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[17:01] <Zardoz> plugwash, I did not know about the noobs upgrade thing...
[17:01] <SuperRoach> awesome. Thanks. I'm troubleshooting running a large panel of LED screens. Apparently the gpio is running too quickly being a rpi3. Good problem to have
[17:01] <Zardoz> SuperRoach, :P
[17:02] <Zardoz> SuperRoach, timing issue?
[17:02] <Zardoz> plugwash, does noobs freek if you update?
[17:03] <SuperRoach> yeah. We had set it up originally on a rpi2. Bought another set of panels and a rpi3, and we think it's the rate needs to be tweaked for it to work there.
[17:03] <Chillum> SuperRoach: what kind of LED screen? Like addressable leds like ws2812s?
[17:03] <SuperRoach> No, much larger Hub75 style ones Chillum
[17:04] <SuperRoach> the rpi is fast enough to send out pixels in software which is awesome
[17:04] <Zardoz> SuperRoach, may I ask what you are uning it for?
[17:04] <Chillum> ahh, never seen those. I know with ws2812s the pi will sort of work. But the timing requirements are such that it will miss it sometimes due to the non-real-time nature of the OS
[17:04] <plugwash> noobs has no supported update mechanism :( you could sometimes get away with updating it by replacing the files manually but at some point the parititon structure changed and new noobs doesn't work with the old partition structure.
[17:04] <Chillum> so it will work,. then fail sometimes, especially with lots of lights
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[17:04] <Chillum> the answer is a real time MCU to control them
[17:05] <plugwash> A workaround for that is to update the kernel and firmware on the noobs partition and leave the rest of noobs alone but then you are mixing versions which never seems like the worlds best idea
[17:05] <Zardoz> plugwash, oh wow, well I never used noobs, good to know.
[17:05] <SuperRoach> with ws2812's, they are really wanting a 5v signal i heard
[17:05] <Chillum> the ws2812b are more sensitive to voltage than the originals
[17:05] <SuperRoach> Zardoz, video displays and scoreboard fx
[17:05] <Chillum> they both say 5v in the datasheet, but the old ones were able to handle 3.3v
[17:05] <Zardoz> plugwash, yeah I can see how that might freak out....
[17:06] <Chillum> when I have a 3.3v signal I use a buffer chip
[17:06] <Zardoz> SuperRoach, oh cool.
[17:06] <Chillum> like a 74HCT245 or something similar is good for swithcing voltage at high speeds
[17:06] <SuperRoach> yes! I use those Chillum
[17:06] <Chillum> I use one of those when controlling from a teensy
[17:07] <Chillum> nice
[17:07] <SuperRoach> https://www.flickr.com/photos/superroach/23858039015/in/album-72157642895664363/ that's a picture of a few test panels running on a rpi2.
[17:07] <SuperRoach> that's approx 128x32
[17:07] <Zardoz> oh man thats cool
[17:07] <Chillum> the teensy can do a trick with PWM and DMA to create 8 full speed ws2812 channels, it allows for control of up to 8k leds before the frame rate has to drop: https://www.pjrc.com/teensy/td_libs_OctoWS2811.html
[17:08] <Chillum> greater minds than mine figured taht out
[17:08] * plugwash notes that HCT is not all that fast
[17:08] <Chillum> it is orders of magnitude faster than the leds being controlled
[17:08] <Chillum> fast enough
[17:08] <Zardoz> SuperRoach, so you can push anything on that?
[17:08] <SuperRoach> 9k leds is impressive!
[17:09] <SuperRoach> Zardoz, well it requires trickery but yes we can push any data/video to that
[17:09] <Zardoz> SuperRoach, and it looks good...
[17:09] <mlelstv> the power supply needed to drive 9k leds is also impressive.
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[17:09] <Chillum> SuperRoach: because it is using DMA and PWM it only uses 3% of the CPU to do the 8k leds, leaving the other 97% for getting/generating the information
[17:09] <Chillum> mlelstv: indeed! and an impressive power distribution network
[17:09] <Chillum> lots of fat wires
[17:10] <SuperRoach> we had power brownouts when running a rgb test. When it went to white, the power draw was too high. lol
[17:10] <mlelstv> .oO( or thin wires for extra illumination )
[17:10] <Zardoz> ahaha
[17:10] <Chillum> I got a cheapish 60 amp 5v supply from fleabay
[17:10] <Zardoz> scotty we need more power to the LEDs
[17:10] <Chillum> the voltage is surpisingly stable
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[17:10] <SuperRoach> preetty much!
[17:10] <SuperRoach> that's an excellent usecase Chillum .
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[17:11] <Chillum> though it does not adapt to changes in draw very fast so lots of fat capacitors on the led power lines
[17:11] <SuperRoach> Well yeah, thats all good news then. If I troubleshoot it being the rpi3 being too fast, I can adjust the timing down on it and run more stuff on it while showing stuff.
[17:12] <Chillum> it is not about too fast or too slow. It is about any given process on a non-real-time OS not being given real-time priority. It means that sometimes some other kernel task causes the pi to miss part of the signal
[17:12] <Chillum> if it is like the ws2812 there is no clock so precise timing is crucial
[17:12] <Chillum> if it does have a clock signal then this is probably not the issue
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[17:13] <SuperRoach> according to it's library, it's a timing issue that had to have a bump to work on a pi 2 (it was written on a pi1).
[17:13] <Chillum> oh, just reading about those displays, looks like real-time is not an issue here
[17:14] <SuperRoach> yeah
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[17:14] <Chillum> looks like it supports variable speeds
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[17:15] <SuperRoach> which is a relief after plugging in a batch and seeing random static. Thought I blew them up
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[17:32] <Apocx> so anyone know what could cause hostapd to throw this error everytime a client tries to connect: RTL871X: ap recv disassoc reason code(8)
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[17:32] <Apocx> at this point I'm not sure if my version of hostapd is screwed up or the wifi driver is screwed up
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[17:33] <vNistelroot> may be both
[17:33] <Apocx> :(
[17:34] <Apocx> the driver works as a client but the AP functionality could be broken, who knows
[17:35] <vNistelroot> try to compile it from source
[17:35] <SyncYourDogmas> -dd from wpa_supplicant tells you eveeything
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[17:37] <Apocx> isn't that only for connecting to a wifi network?
[17:37] <Apocx> as I'm not using wpa_supplicant.conf
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[17:38] <SyncYourDogmas> just starrting it might spit stuff out, but yeah
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[17:39] <Apocx> the client connecting to my RPI Wifi AP is a phone so I can't really use wpa_supplicant to diagnose it on that side
[17:39] <Apocx> tried connecting from a windows box as well but no luck there either
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[17:42] <vNistelroot> it is a usb dongle?
[17:42] <vNistelroot> or usb rpi3 built-in?
[17:42] <vNistelroot> sorry, or rpi3 built-in?
[17:43] <Apocx> it is a usb wifi device that is embedded on the board, not removable like a USB dongle.
[17:43] <Apocx> uses the rtl8723bu driver
[17:43] <SyncYourDogmas> android? it uses wpa supplicant
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[17:43] <vNistelroot> so we are talking about a raspberry pi3
[17:44] <Apocx> nope. it is a RPI compute module board with an LM811 wifi/bt module.
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[17:44] <Apocx> module works fine as a client, just having problems using it as an access point
[17:46] <Apocx> unfortunately I'm having a hard time figuring out if its a problem with hostapd or the wifi driver
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[18:28] <chris_99> Hi, does anyone know what the colour depth of the Pi noir is out of interest (does it still have a colour bayer array too?)
[18:29] <chris_99> oh it does look like it does, so i'm guessing just 8 bit per channel
[18:30] <plugwash> yeah, it's the same camera IC, just without the IR cut filter in front
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[18:30] <chris_99> gotcha
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[18:37] <plugwash> iirc the bayer is fairly transparent to IR so IR tends to make things look white
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[18:38] <chris_99> i was wondering if i could use it combined with a diffraction grating but 8 bit may be too low
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[18:42] <methuzla> chris_99, it's possible to get 10bit raw from the camera
[18:43] <chris_99> oh? do you have any pointers on that
[18:43] <chris_99> or is it easy to do
[18:43] <methuzla> http://picamera.readthedocs.org/en/release-1.10/recipes2.html#bayer-data
[18:43] <chris_99> ooh thanks!
[18:43] <chris_99> well that's certainly more tempting
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[18:46] <chris_99> one last question http://www.modmypi.com/raspberry-pi/camera/raspberry-pi-noir-infrared-camera-board-5mp-1080p-v1.3 seems to be the cheapest source? on amazon it's £23 or something i think
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[18:50] <ali1234> chris_99: a V2 camera will be released soon so people are selling the old one off cheap
[18:51] <chris_99> ohh, interesting, will there be much difference?
[18:51] <ali1234> probably not
[18:52] <BurtyB> no doubt yet another rp secret ;)
[18:52] <chris_99> heh
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[18:55] <plugwash> iirc someone spotted some strings in the firmware blob which may or may not indicate what new camera chip the foundation is planning on using
[18:55] <chris_99> cool
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[18:59] <Bilby> *yawn*
[18:59] <Bilby> hey all
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[19:00] <Rukus> hi
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