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IRC Log for 2016-05-06

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[0:01] <Encrypt> Sonny_Jim, Hi o/
[0:02] <Encrypt> I'm working on my MSc Project
[0:02] <Encrypt> I discovered awk :x
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[0:02] <Encrypt> That's amazing
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[0:02] <Encrypt> I had a performance problem with a "while read" loop, now awk builds the SQL inserts for me
[0:04] <devster31> hi guys, any idea why this happens? https://bpaste.net/show/114f2079efa7 I'm on armv8 cortex-a53 (rpi3) if it matters
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[0:08] <jrg> blah. synology's way of doing things
[0:08] <jrg> like not allowing access to domain users for certain things drives me nuts
[0:08] <jrg> guess i'll put a pi in the back room and use that instead
[0:08] <jrg> just kind of a pain configuring the thing for a domain account with linux
[0:09] <ali1234> devster31: looks like you found a bug
[0:09] <ali1234> "gcc -march=native" is enough to crash gcc under vanilla raspbian on a pi 3
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[0:09] <ali1234> that certainly not should happen for any reason
[0:10] <ali1234> i expect it happens because gcc doesn't recognize the arch of the CPU, but it should say that instead of crashing
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[0:14] <ali1234> devster31: notice mtune does the same
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[0:15] <ali1234> devster31: do you want me to report this or do you want to do it?
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[0:16] <ali1234> actually, is already reported: https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-bugs/2016-03/msg00915.html
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[0:17] <ali1234> https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=70132
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[0:19] * [Saint] really dislikes it when a vendor's idea of 'source code' is a binary blob converted to plaintext
[0:20] <[Saint]> Lookin' at you, company who's name I probably can't mention for legal reasons...
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[0:26] <avenger> Voldemort LLC?
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[0:27] <Berg> free code rocks
[0:27] <Berg> hello 3rd planet
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[0:29] <Berg> http://gallery.anotherpower.com/main.php/v/bergs+place/masklogo.png.html
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[0:31] <exonormal> cute mask... make real ones and sell them...
[0:31] <Berg> you can its just a idea
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[0:32] <Berg> someone want to have a raspbian13th
[0:32] <exonormal> plant a zero in a hidden area and have a bunch of LEDS flickering all over it
[0:33] <exonormal> I am waiting for the Pi B-13 to come out to market
[0:33] <Berg> nukler powered
[0:34] <exonormal> it would have i7, 32 gb mem, and 16 Tb drive
[0:34] <Berg> and a reactor
[0:34] <Berg> woohooo
[0:34] <exonormal> but will stay same size as the B-3
[0:35] <Berg> and hover 13,000kl above the planet
[0:35] <Berg> with mind control model
[0:35] <Berg> module
[0:35] <exonormal> stratosphere
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[0:36] <Berg> no raspberry pi
[0:36] <exonormal> lol
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[0:36] <exonormal> make pi satelites
[0:37] <exonormal> billions of them
[0:37] <Berg> with mind control
[0:37] <exonormal> uh huh
[0:37] * Berg hums pinky and the brain theme
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[0:38] <exonormal> lol... easy does it...
[0:39] <exonormal> other wise you'll get a brain whatchacallit
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[0:40] <exonormal> *whatchamacallit
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[0:43] <Berg> sorry i wasnt thinking
[0:43] <Berg> bad berg
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[1:11] <exonormal> lol... jk
[1:12] <exonormal> nutin new here... just a new hat for B-3 with a tube on it for pure clean sound.... a whopping $99!!!
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[1:45] <sireorion> hey im back
[1:46] <sireorion> bridging wifi to ethernet
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[1:51] <oq> sireorion: why not just buy a tp-link wr702n
[1:52] <sireorion> oq: why do that when i have the rpi
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[1:52] <oq> it would save you a lot of headache
[1:52] <sireorion> oq: true :) but i want it to work
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[2:05] <sireorion> i got Access denied when i trying to connect to my rpi with putty
[2:06] <sireorion> i have changed the passwd
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[2:25] <Mittendeep> sireorion: what does rpi stand for?
[2:26] <sireorion> Mittendeep: Raspberry Pi
[2:26] * methuzla guesses raspberry pi
[2:27] <sireorion> Mittendeep: Why ask?
[2:27] <Berg> tla
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[2:27] <Berg> three letter acronym
[2:27] <Mittendeep> I honestly have never heard of it referred to as a rpi. I feel pretty dumb now though.
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[2:27] <Berg> you dont need to feel dumb
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[2:28] <sireorion> hehe
[2:28] <Berg> i often suffer from no idea sydrome
[2:28] <Berg> syndrome
[2:28] <sireorion> im trying to brigding wifi to ethernet... with no luck.... :/
[2:28] <Berg> it comes with folks inventing TLA's but not everyone knows them
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[2:36] <Mittendeep> I did it one time using windows 8 and then when i tried again after unbridging it i could never get it working again.
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[2:46] <exonormal> sireorion: you can do that, use a Netgear router, it is backwards capable.
[2:46] <sireorion> hehe... i need my rpi to bridge network to my Hackintosh ;)
[2:47] <exonormal> with Netgear router, it will pick up wifi and send to puter via ethernet
[2:47] <sireorion> yeah but the rpi is installed inside my computer
[2:47] <sireorion> i dont want to buy more stuff
[2:48] <exonormal> inside the pi-intosh?
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[2:49] <sireorion> noo... i have an hackintosh with broken kext for the wifi. but the kext for ethernet is working... So im trying to use my rpi to bridge the wifi to ethernet so the computer have some internet
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[2:50] <exonormal> ok, the router will do that straight. you can buy those at a second hand store or a reuse center for $15 each
[2:51] <bberg> sup strangers
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[2:51] <sireorion> exonormal: yeah i know that... But why do that when its possible with the rpi
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[2:53] <bberg> Anyone rocking a 3d printer in here?
[2:53] <exonormal> cuz pi's are a pain to do that
[2:53] <exonormal> not me
[2:53] <sireorion> no pain no gain
[2:53] <exonormal> ok
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[3:51] <Zardoz> \o/ yay I just got my Dell venue 10 Pro that I won!!1
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[3:53] <exonormal> sweet
[3:53] <exonormal> good for you
[3:54] <Zardoz> this is awesome...
[3:55] <Zardoz> and it's a windows 10 tab...
[3:56] <Zardoz> see if I can put putty on it and ssh to my pi3
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[3:58] <[Saint]> ptx0: Did your mother never tell you that it's not polite to privmsg people entirely out of the blue with no context at all and without asking first?
[3:58] <[Saint]> Tsk tsk...
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[3:59] <ptx0> uh, what
[3:59] <ptx0> you're using a broken IRC client
[4:00] <Zardoz> [Saint]: you are Broken...
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[4:01] <[Saint]> I guess you'll find it particularly hilarious that I *am* using irssi, then.
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[4:01] <[Saint]> I just happen to be doing so with a plugin to provide a quassel driven backend.
[4:02] <oq> maybe thats what broke it
[4:02] <JakeSays> so how does one go about enabling the second spi and i2c busses?
[4:03] <[Saint]> A very questionably worded ircd spec definition is what broke it.
[4:04] <[Saint]> The fact that it is "broken" is known, and not really exploitable other than people being generally annoying with it with their shitty PMs about it that some douche-canoe in #freenode thought it would be a great idea to encourage people to bombard with.
[4:05] <Berg> i had a dog named freenode i shot it
[4:05] <JakeSays> nice
[4:05] <Zardoz> haha
[4:05] <Berg> dog on a stick deep fried
[4:06] <Zardoz> Berg: hellos
[4:06] <Berg> morning sir Zardoz
[4:06] <Berg> no fish today
[4:06] <Berg> working on 3d models today
[4:06] <Zardoz> }<MORNINGFISH>(o>
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[4:07] <Berg> garrrhhh!
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[4:07] <Berg> tghats a pretty good fish you know
[4:07] <Zardoz> that one of the big ones LOL
[4:08] <Zardoz> Berg: did you see that I got my Dell Venue Pro 10 that I won today?
[4:08] <Berg> i saw yopu post about5 that
[4:08] <Berg> im not jealous no no no
[4:08] <Berg> nope
[4:09] <Berg> see realy i have no idea what it is
[4:09] <Zardoz> Berg: yeah I would not eather. but it was free. most like will use for work stuffs anyways.,
[4:09] <Berg> so its good
[4:09] <Zardoz> it seems ok.
[4:09] <Berg> i dont like tablets iphones and the like as im a desktop man through and through
[4:10] <Berg> i cant stant laptop touch pads
[4:10] <Zardoz> hell I like everything :P
[4:10] <Berg> i always end up plugging in a mouse
[4:10] <Zardoz> and if its free even better
[4:10] <Berg> here this is free http://gallery.anotherpower.com/main.php/v/bergs+place/masklogo.png.html
[4:12] <Zardoz> hah, jasonpi
[4:13] <Berg> raspberian-13th
[4:13] <Zardoz> haha
[4:14] <Berg> im using it as my vnc link logo on my desktop
[4:14] <Zardoz> http://gallery.anotherpower.com/main.php/v/bergs+place/SDC10269.gif.html
[4:14] <Zardoz> battery?
[4:14] <[Saint]> assault!
[4:14] <Berg> yes battery bank box
[4:15] <Berg> it has 4 100ah 12v bvattery in it
[4:15] <Zardoz> for like solar?
[4:15] <Berg> so has 400ah capacity
[4:15] <Berg> yes
[4:15] <Zardoz> ah cool...
[4:15] <Berg> it stores sunshine
[4:15] <Zardoz> yes indeed
[4:16] <Berg> do note i have venting to ouside with that throiugh a tube
[4:16] <Berg> the fan sucks air in and it goes outside through a vaccum cleaner type hose
[4:17] <Berg> http://gallery.anotherpower.com/main.php/v/bergs+place/SDC10275.JPG.html
[4:17] <Berg> that
[4:17] <Zardoz> oh cool this has an sdcard slot
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[4:18] <Berg> my battery box has a usb port
[4:18] <Berg> :)
[4:18] <Zardoz> wow and micro HDMI port
[4:18] <Zardoz> for the controller?
[4:18] <Berg> sad to say no
[4:19] <Berg> it has a display but its just a voltage display
[4:19] <Zardoz> what controller are you using in that box
[4:19] <Berg> see white cabinet in gallery
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[4:19] <Berg> it has a rpi with a 8channel relay and light sensors
[4:20] <Zardoz> oh yoou do wind too... man thats so awesome
[4:21] <Berg> http://gallery.anotherpower.com/main.php/v/bergs+place/SDC10529_001.JPG.html
[4:21] <Berg> the wind turbine exploded my very first pi
[4:21] <Berg> too much power spikes
[4:21] <Berg> sisner fixed that issue
[4:21] <Berg> learning all the tuime
[4:22] <Zardoz> yeah you are building it, that is nice...
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[4:22] <Zardoz> building and making.
[4:23] <Berg> sure i made the tuirbine and itsa awsume
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[4:23] <Berg> and it puts out huge voltage i have to govern it down
[4:23] <MiningInc> any good codegolf stuff for python?
[4:23] <Berg> whats codegolf?
[4:23] <Berg> FOUR!
[4:24] <Zardoz> }<CODEGOLFFISH>(o>
[4:24] <MiningInc> haha.... coding in minimum number of steps/lines/size/etc.
[4:24] <MiningInc> ex. snake in 450 bytes https://copy.sh/snake/
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[4:24] <MiningInc> Tetris in 652 https://copy.sh/tetris/
[4:25] <MiningInc> I am a noob for python... well noobish.
[4:25] <Zardoz> so effecent programing?
[4:26] <Zardoz> doing it right. :P
[4:26] <Berg> I see no code?
[4:26] <MiningInc> Been struggling to stick to doing something and just realized something like 'code golf' on some simpler examples/projects of others. That I could then maybe take and try and imrove upon/refactor/reformat down to a smaller bit of code
[4:26] <MiningInc> Zardoz pretty much ;-)
[4:26] <Berg> hmm
[4:26] <MiningInc> Berg.. Hmm.. one sec..
[4:27] <Berg> lots code out there that needs profesionalisation
[4:27] <MiningInc> hehe. TRUTH
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[4:28] <Berg> professionalization is the word of the day
[4:28] <MiningInc> thought 'jobs' was the command for BASH /shell : to see list of running jobs
[4:29] <MiningInc> not working on my pi2
[4:29] <MiningInc> with debian
[4:29] <Berg> i use raspbian jessie lite
[4:30] <MiningInc> raspbian jessie here, light too... just not switched over to that yet
[4:30] <JakeSays> oh huh both spi ports are loaded
[4:30] <MiningInc> going to do that in next day or so.. also have Kali 2 on a card ready to go. Been itching to play around with that a bit.
[4:30] <Zardoz> I am thinking about switching to arch
[4:31] <MiningInc> BUT have enough distractions currently. lol. probably should not add in one more to the mix.
[4:31] <Berg> so you want to play golf with your python I think learning python first might be better
[4:31] <MiningInc> ARCH was a strong first contestant and had an Image ready to go...then only went with raspbian due to putting in wrong SD card on my first boot up. lol.. decided 'meh, lets try this then...' lol
[4:32] <Zardoz> lol
[4:32] <Berg> also you have too many sdcards
[4:32] <Berg> :)
[4:32] <Zardoz> never have too meany give me you sdcards :P
[4:33] <Berg> friend romans countrymen
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[4:33] <MiningInc> got a great deal on the samsung evo 32gb and 16gb cards a few months back.. bought a handful lol
[4:33] <Zardoz> MiningInc: what kind of deal?
[4:33] <MiningInc> btw....they are really a great SD card! Especially for the money.
[4:34] <Berg> i use 16g cards a lot they a tidy size for doing control scripts for this and thaty
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[4:34] <MiningInc> I paid 8 bucks each for 16gb ones and 11 bucks for the 32gb
[4:34] <Zardoz> I might get 2 evo+ 32GB Friday
[4:34] <Berg> hmm
[4:34] <MiningInc> Have not tried out the evo+ cards yet
[4:34] <Zardoz> yeah I getting just under 11 for the 2
[4:35] <Zardoz> if they still have stock
[4:35] <Berg> i had a dog name samsung i shot it
[4:35] <MiningInc> these evo seem to have the quickest read/write out of most of what I have used.
[4:35] <MiningInc> Berg... sad story
[4:35] <MiningInc> lol
[4:35] <Berg> anyway afkish
[4:35] <Zardoz> yeah they wouk well on the Pis
[4:35] <MiningInc> Zardoz that is the key... stock never lasts on the good deals
[4:36] <Zardoz> MiningInc: you can say that again
[4:36] <Zardoz> I did get a 128 evo about 3 weeks ago for 40.
[4:36] <MiningInc> the 16gb may have been closer to 7 USD. but were over 7. and the 32gb cards were under 11 but not by much. E.G> 11.87. or some odd amount like that
[4:37] <MiningInc> Zardoz DAMN! that is adeal
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[4:37] <MiningInc> how has it performed?
[4:37] <Zardoz> MiningInc: yeah I got a really good deal on that
[4:37] <Zardoz> MiningInc: it does nice.
[4:38] <MiningInc> I have yet to play with any 128 gb cards... Honestly because I have not really had use for one so big. but with prices becoming so much more gentle on the pocketbook..May have to upgrade one or two cards ;-)
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[4:38] <Zardoz> but I want to use it on this Tab I got today. and get a 32 for the Pi3
[4:38] <MiningInc> I need to go turn on the vape and get it warming up. Have a sick granny coming over, gotta get ready.
[4:38] <MiningInc> Zardoz yeah
[4:38] <Zardoz> the 128 tend to be some what slower.
[4:39] <MiningInc> was going to ask on that
[4:39] <Zardoz> the 200 that are coming out right now are very slow...
[4:39] <MiningInc> same chip 64gb vs 128gb.. Guess one should expect a hinderance in performance..even if only marginal
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[4:39] <[Saint]> Does your grandma blow sick clouds, bruh?
[4:39] <MiningInc> Yeah... Only good for backups of infrequent needs
[4:40] <Zardoz> yeah the 16 and 32 evo line are the fastest.
[4:40] <MiningInc> agreed
[4:40] <MiningInc> . lol
[4:40] <Zardoz> sandisk do a good job as well
[4:40] <MiningInc> Saint g-ma does not blow big clouds
[4:40] <MiningInc> she blows monsters! or rather DRAGONS! lol
[4:40] <[Saint]> Needs to vape harder.
[4:40] <[Saint]> Amateur.
[4:40] <exonormal> only Google blows big clouds
[4:40] <[Saint]> Ah. Hahahahaha
[4:40] <Zardoz> lol
[4:41] <MiningInc> she is 83 man.. still has time to learn.. young padawan she is
[4:41] <Zardoz> some of you vape?
[4:41] <MiningInc> really though.. gotta get it heating up.
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[4:41] <exonormal> well go do it
[4:41] <MiningInc> I vape old school.. NOT those fancy 'flashing lights hand thingy ma jiggers' as g-ma calls em.
[4:41] <MiningInc> I use an old vapor brothers
[4:41] <MiningInc> out
[4:42] <[Saint]> If anyone here happens to use Android, and has a Google Account, and both Google Now and Google Keep I found a pretty neat way to handle the shopping list.
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[4:43] <[Saint]> Turns out that if you say "OK, Google. Add $THING to shopping list" it will open up Google Keep with a checkbox formatted list with $THING added to it.
[4:44] <[Saint]> If you combine this with Google Keep's 'Collaborators' feature for note sharing and, for instance, add your partner/wife/husband/significant other/etc as a collaborator, then you can both edit this list very trivially.
[4:44] <oq> I have all of those but I find speaking to my phone so cringeworthy
[4:44] <[Saint]> Either from Google Now or Google Keep itself.
[4:45] <[Saint]> oq: you don't necessarily /have/ to use Google Now, I just found it easier to add things to the list occasionally with little manual intervention.
[4:45] <[Saint]> I very rarely use Google Now in public myself.
[4:45] <oq> for me google now is entirely just a means towards google search, I turn off all the cards shit
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[4:46] <[Saint]> You can create a list named "Shopping" in Google Keep automatically and when you use the aforementioned Google Now query (at home, in private) it will append to it or remove from it on demand.
[4:46] <[Saint]> I find it neat.
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[4:46] <[Saint]> But you can just negate Now entirely and just collaborate using Keep directly.
[4:46] <oq> I don't need it pinging my location every 5 seconds just so it could possibly notify me of some useless tidbit
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[4:47] <[Saint]> Good thing it doesn't then, huh?
[4:47] <jrg> hm
[4:47] <jrg> trying to restart samba and received
[4:47] <jrg> error opening config file '/etc/samba/smb.conf'
[4:47] <jrg> but the smb.conf seems ok
[4:47] <oq> jrg: permissions?
[4:47] <jrg> and is r
[4:47] <pcmerc> check the permissions & if the file exists
[4:47] <[Saint]> permissions?
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[4:47] <jrg> by everyone
[4:47] <[Saint]> lol
[4:48] <jrg> does it have to be owned by samba or something? seems like it's a read issue
[4:48] <pcmerc> whos the owner & what are the perms?
[4:49] <[Saint]> it should just be owned by root and chmod 0644
[4:49] <Zardoz> lol
[4:49] <JakeSays> [Saint]: thats pretty slick. too bad my wife doesnt use an android device too :(
[4:51] <oq> the worst thing about android is that google doesn't care about it, it's just a backup to them. Every googler has an iphone, every google app gets the new ui on ios first.
[4:51] <[Saint]> JakeSays: I think the really slick part is pottering around the supermarket using Android's native multi-window mode and having Google Keep in the top half of the screen and Google Calculator on the bottom half.
[4:51] <JakeSays> oq: yeah that makes no sense
[4:51] <[Saint]> The whole "every Googler has an iPhone" is a complete and total fallacy.
[4:51] <pcmerc> every googler has an iphone?
[4:51] <pcmerc> lol
[4:51] <pcmerc> hardly
[4:51] <Zardoz> microsoft does the same thing now...
[4:51] <pcmerc> I sure as hell dont
[4:52] <JakeSays> [Saint]: heh. well i dont do much shopping
[4:52] <oq> pcmerc: google employee
[4:52] <pcmerc> ah
[4:52] <pcmerc> gotcha
[4:52] <pcmerc> lol
[4:52] <pcmerc> I hate them things
[4:52] <[Saint]> The entire Nexus team dogfoods. The Webview team dogfoods.
[4:52] <JakeSays> pcmerc: same.
[4:52] <[Saint]> You're just outright wrong.
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[4:52] <[Saint]> Plain and simple.
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[4:52] <JakeSays> also google has earned ~$32Bn off of android - hardly a backup plan
[4:53] <oq> android exists just so apple can't choose a default search engine on ios and they would be boned
[4:53] <pcmerc> just another pay of income for them
[4:53] <[Saint]> Would you rather they didn;t have the freedom to use their own personally preferenced hardware?
[4:53] <pcmerc> pay = path
[4:53] <Zardoz> I think google make a crap toon off android
[4:53] <[Saint]> no.
[4:53] <[Saint]> they make very little from android itself.
[4:53] <JakeSays> Zardoz: $32 billion since it started
[4:53] <oq> zardoz: alphabet make most of their money off advertising by far
[4:53] <Berg> I think google is trying to help folks code
[4:53] <[Saint]> and have little desire to do so.
[4:54] <Berg> see all the freebie stuff
[4:54] <JakeSays> [Saint]: 32 billion is hardly very little
[4:54] <[Saint]> comparitively, it is.
[4:54] <JakeSays> to what?
[4:54] <Zardoz> well let me chage that by enabling other streams
[4:54] <[Saint]> the metric shittonne they make in advertising and data flows.
[4:55] <Zardoz> [Saint]: agree
[4:55] <[Saint]> 32 billion in android licensing is trivial.
[4:55] <Zardoz> android just puts more eyes on the streams
[4:55] <Berg> can i havfge it?
[4:55] <JakeSays> doenst matter - 32 billion is 32 billion. not a company on earth that would consider that a trivial amount
[4:55] <Berg> please?
[4:55] <oq> where does that 32 billion figure come from?
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[4:55] <oq> From over 5 years?
[4:56] <JakeSays> google
[4:56] <exonormal> Berg: ask Donald Trump
[4:56] <Zardoz> lol
[4:56] <[Saint]> I think he's thinking total android sales == "profit to google".
[4:56] <Berg> im not his friend
[4:56] <[Saint]> which is slightly moronic.
[4:56] <oq> alphabets quarterly revenue is only like 20 billion
[4:56] <Berg> pitty is the man is voter for the trump
[4:56] <Zardoz> oq: for now :P
[4:56] <Berg> or hillary
[4:56] <JakeSays> [Saint]: ah no. $32 billion is the amount google made off of android contracts.
[4:56] <Berg> you need a human as president
[4:57] <Zardoz> please no
[4:57] <exonormal> ok so we won't have a pres..
[4:57] <Zardoz> lets get off that crap
[4:57] <Berg> good plan get a queen like we has
[4:57] <[Saint]> Source?
[4:57] <Berg> make madona queen of the USA
[4:57] <Berg> <---has all the best plans
[4:57] <exonormal> yuk
[4:57] <Zardoz> she already is/was
[4:58] <Berg> :)
[4:58] <[Saint]> That was Prince.
[4:58] <Zardoz> lol
[4:58] <JakeSays> [Saint]: it came out in the google/oracle lawsuit debacle. oracle released the figure after discovery. pissed google off.
[4:58] <Zardoz> yeah but he is dead now... thanks :P
[4:58] <Berg> DONT BE WICKED
[4:58] <JakeSays> oops. i was wrong - 31 bilion
[4:58] <[Saint]> Of "the flu" *cough cough* opiate overdose, 'cos, blatant junkie...*cough cough*
[4:59] <[Saint]> errr...I man, the flu.
[4:59] <JakeSays> [Saint]: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-21/google-s-android-generates-31-billion-revenue-oracle-says-ijor8hvt
[4:59] <[Saint]> yeah.
[4:59] <Zardoz> ah wats a billion between friends :P
[4:59] <Berg> i just like google to actualy pay its taxes to countries it earns from
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[5:00] <oq> "says oracle"? the people currently suing google?
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[5:00] <[Saint]> "The figure is based on an methodology not outlined by Oracle, said a person familiar with the matter who was not authorized to speak publicly."
[5:00] <oq> that doesn't sound overexagerated at all
[5:00] <Berg> austrazlia is gona go after googl;e too
[5:00] <[Saint]> translation - 'we invented this shit outright'
[5:00] <[Saint]> they'll be conflating total Android sales as I expected.
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[5:01] <[Saint]> No way Google makes that much of licensing Android and the 'Powered By Android' device/trademark.
[5:01] <JakeSays> you have some sort of insight in to google's finances?
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[5:01] <oq> google probably gives android away for practically free as long as they bundle the play store
[5:01] <[Saint]> JakeSays: I have their quarterly figures, yes. Indeed.
[5:02] <[Saint]> So do you.
[5:02] <Zardoz> hell as long as the ad rev
[5:02] <JakeSays> [Saint]: they dont publish android revenue
[5:02] <Zardoz> I think they might bank on cars next
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[5:03] <Zardoz> cars wars are going to be big.
[5:03] <oq> zardoz: Google continually has a tonne of projects like self-driving cars on the books, they could just as easily give up on it next year and nobody would bat an eye because google ditches stuff like that all the time
[5:04] <Zardoz> oq: oh I know...
[5:04] <oq> remember google glass?
[5:04] <oq> where did that go?
[5:04] <Zardoz> oq: that was just a project.
[5:05] <Zardoz> oq: burt yeah
[5:05] <[Saint]> Either way, considering they declared near $150B in revenue in from the 2014 and 2015 financial periods, I still think it's disengenuous to suggest that Android is Google's cash cow and that they're milking it.
[5:05] <Zardoz> [Saint]: most of it is AD I am sure.
[5:05] <[Saint]> ANd that's what they /declared/, we know damn well they're doing shady asset funnelling like everyone else is.
[5:05] <JakeSays> yeah i *never* said it was their cash cow.
[5:06] <JakeSays> i just said it wasnt a trivial amount of revenue
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[5:06] <plugwash> iirc megacorps usually produce a consolidated financial statement or similar which inludes the money they funneled off to tax havens
[5:07] <plugwash> just because they are trying to keep it away from the taxman doesn't mean they don't want their investors to know about it
[5:07] <[Saint]> And I maintain that it is, comparatively, rather trivial.
[5:07] <[Saint]> 32 billion over the entire life of Android, vs like 300 billion since 2006ish.
[5:08] <JakeSays> hmm. so android was responsible for just over 10% of revenue.
[5:08] <JakeSays> thats not even in the ball park of trivial.
[5:09] <oq> assuming that 32B figure from oracle is accurate
[5:10] <[Saint]> Android could probably evaporate from existence overnight and only appear as a rounding error at the end of year financial breakdown.
[5:10] <oq> I would miss it
[5:10] <oq> seeing as I use it
[5:11] <[Saint]> Oh, sure. Just saying that in my view in the greater scheme of things it is really only a toy of Google's, despite its successes.
[5:11] <JakeSays> 10% of revenue is a rounding error?
[5:11] <Zardoz> man the phone biz would freak if that happen.
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[5:12] <oq> zardoz: I doubt it, as android is open source all we would loose is future updates and the play store. They might stick with android for a couple of years maybe they'd all more to windows mobile phones
[5:12] <[Saint]> JakeSays: the 10% figure assumes that the earning is all linear.
[5:12] <oq> most of the OEM's heavily modify android to their uses anyway
[5:12] <Zardoz> yeah, but it would still freak at least somewhat.
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[5:13] <Zardoz> and samsung would just go to tyzan <sp
[5:13] <oq> tizen?
[5:13] <[Saint]> Actually, OEMs have been getting increasingly closer to a near-stock Android platform on a whole.
[5:13] <JakeSays> bah. why do i get myself in to these stupid discussions
[5:13] <[Saint]> I guess it revolves around saying stupid things JakeSays.
[5:13] <sir_galahad_ad> what's that JakeSays ?
[5:14] <oq> sony has been the only OEM embracing AOSP as I see it
[5:14] <JakeSays> [Saint]: so you're going to take this personal?
[5:15] <oq> motorola were kinda close for a year or two while they were owned by google
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[5:16] <bberg> any podcast recommendations?
[5:16] <Zardoz> I was sorry to see moto go they way it has...
[5:16] <[Saint]> Samsung's framework isn't really as heavily modified these days.
[5:16] <oq> bberg: in general or raspberry pi related?
[5:17] <[Saint]> And they're actually starting to use the /vendor partition
[5:17] <bberg> DIY/rpi related. I've listened to the RPI podcast.. not the biggest fan.
[5:17] <bberg> I have 90 min commute.. so i burn em fast
[5:17] <oq> bberg: do you listen to the nerdist?
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[5:18] <oq> I enjoy their interviews
[5:18] <bberg> oq: i have here and there
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[5:18] <Mittendeep> Does anyone here use mediaelch to manage their kodi library still, or is this channel focused on the pi in general?
[5:18] <Mittendeep> nm found kodi
[5:18] <Zardoz> I should listen more to nerdist
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[7:09] <toomanyerrors> does xonotic run on rpi?
[7:10] <home> toomanyerrors, NO
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[7:11] <toomanyerrors> why?
[7:11] <toomanyerrors> and is there a rpi xb360 controller driver ?
[7:12] <bpye> Don't suppose anyone has tried debugging the rpi3 with the JTAG interface?
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[7:16] <ziddey> the google
[7:16] <ziddey> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=111030
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[7:44] <toomanyerrors> will rpi3 work with sony ds3?
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[8:07] <ziddey> yeah
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[8:31] <bpye> ziddey: That's a pi 2, not a pi 3 :)
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[8:31] <ziddey> cool
[8:32] <bpye> I've come across that thread a few times, trying to find documentation on anything beyond the pi1 is pretty challenging though
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[8:38] <ArtuRR> Good morning, eveyone!
[8:39] <ArtuRR> is normal for RPi to reboot under heavy load, i.e. multiple tabs on web browser?
[8:40] <ArtuRR> I mean, is it normal. Running raspbian (Jessie?) on RPi3
[8:40] <Berg> it maybe opening tabs you shut down with close browser before shutting down
[8:40] <MZ|Alex> probably when power supply isn't providing enough juice?
[8:41] <MZ|Alex> ArtuRR how are you powering your rpi3?
[8:41] <ArtuRR> thanks for such quick replies
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[8:42] <ArtuRR> the juice comes via dual usb charger
[8:42] <ArtuRR> trying to read outputs atm
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[8:42] <MZ|Alex> ArtuRR check voltage and ampere
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[8:43] <ArtuRR> 5V and 2A
[8:43] <ShorTie> what kind of micro-usb power cable are you using ??
[8:43] <ShorTie> cheapy phone charging cable ??
[8:43] <MZ|Alex> ArtuRR a 2A power supply will provide a maximum of 2A.. and that is the minimum required for rpi3
[8:44] <ShorTie> 2A should be fine without many usb devices attached
[8:44] <ArtuRR> it was relatively medium priced for 6€, upper limit was 12€
[8:44] <ArtuRR> the usb cable, that is
[8:44] <ArtuRR> so it isnt a 'cheapo' imho
[8:44] <ShorTie> does it have 24awg printed on it ??
[8:45] <ShorTie> that is most likely it, imho
[8:45] <ArtuRR> it has awm on it
[8:46] <MZ|Alex> ArtuRR maybe under heavy load your power supply can't sustain above 4.75v
[8:47] <ArtuRR> maybe. there is another usb slot though, with writing 'for galaxy tab-S'
[8:48] <ArtuRR> other being marked as 'iphone and ipads'
[8:48] <MZ|Alex> 2.5A is recommended for rpi3
[8:48] <ShorTie> have you tried it ??
[8:48] <ArtuRR> OK, I wasn't aware of that
[8:48] <MZ|Alex> https://www.raspberrypi.org/help/faqs/#power
[8:48] <ArtuRR> not yet :$
[8:49] <ShorTie> i'd still lay my money on the cable .. :/~
[8:49] <ShorTie> most over looked problem causing thing
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[8:49] <ArtuRR> point taken, I'll stress test the RPi with the other output
[8:50] <ArtuRR> brb
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[8:56] <[Saint]> OK...Morality question:
[8:56] <[Saint]> If my Sister In Law and her partner, my soon-to-be Brother In Law, both thought it would be a sweet/fun idea to plan each other's Stag/Hen's Night, but my Sister In Law accidentally booked the (soon) Brother In Law's venue at a place I know damn well to be a bath house who's sole purpose behind a very thinly veiled disguise is a meeting place for casual homosexual sex...
[8:56] <[Saint]> Do I tell either of them? Or do I let it play out for the sake of the inevitable amusement that myself and (I'm guessing) pretty much everyone except the Brother In Law who is deeply, deeply, deeply homophobic will get?
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[8:57] <ShorTie> Think I'd mention it it her
[8:58] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> I would let them do this experience
[8:58] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> Hahaha
[8:58] <[Saint]> I'm honestly torn here, lol.
[8:59] <ShorTie> hait to have 'other' people embarest
[8:59] <MZ|Alex> [Saint] just prepare the webcam!
[8:59] <[Saint]> I know it is wrong of me, but, I really really really want to see Ben's face when he realizes that there's no women at this club.
[8:59] <MZ|Alex> and broadcast it!
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[9:00] <[Saint]> But I also am on the fence about it, because I can pretty much guarantee he'll get all fisty and punchy when he inevitably gets embarrassed to hell.
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[9:00] <[Saint]> I guess I'll tell the sister in law and see what she wants to do.
[9:00] <[Saint]> She has a decent sense of humor, she might very well leave the booking as it is.
[9:01] <[Saint]> But she's also really crap at keeping surprises...so I wouldn't want to leave it too long.
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[9:01] <ShorTie> or maybe the no women thing is what she wanted, lol.
[9:01] <[Saint]> Honestly I have no idea how she didn't click on the venue.
[9:01] <MZ|Alex> [Saint] as long as you guys dont blindfold him and make him interact with the guy... it's ok
[9:02] <[Saint]> "A discrete place for men to have fun and meet up with no strings attached"
[9:02] <[Saint]> I mean...c'mon!
[9:02] <[Saint]> That screams gay cruising bar...
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[9:03] <ShorTie> does seem like it
[9:03] <MZ|Alex> haha the blue oyster from police academy
[9:03] <[Saint]> I know for a fact that it is (don't ask how - I uhhhh...well, you know).
[9:03] <[Saint]> When she told me the venue just now I almost spat my drink out.
[9:04] <[Saint]> I didn;t have the heart to tell her at the time, I've been debating it for the past hour or so.
[9:04] <OxB00T> [Saint]: what place is that? I wanna go
[9:05] <[Saint]> You in Christchurch, New Zealand?
[9:05] <[Saint]> If so... ;)
[9:05] <home> isn't this channel for kids
[9:05] <home> this discussion is unnecessary and demeaning
[9:06] <OxB00T> home: demeaning?
[9:06] <home> is there no CoC enforced for this channel?
[9:06] <[Saint]> How is it demeaning?
[9:06] <OxB00T> [Saint]: home is a homophobe. Just mentioning gays is demeaning to him
[9:06] <[Saint]> Apparently so.
[9:06] <home> see this is exactly what I am talking about
[9:06] <OxB00T> you have no place in the 21th century home. I'm putting you on ignore you grubby homophobe.
[9:06] <home> anyway just joking
[9:06] <home> take a chill pill
[9:06] <[Saint]> Suuuuure.
[9:06] <home> I wasn't serious
[9:07] <[Saint]> Cool story hun.
[9:07] <[Saint]> IOW: "Ooops, crap, accidentally told the world I'm a bigot and a homophobe...better bail out because no one agreed with me immediately"
[9:08] <OxB00T> exactly that happened!
[9:08] <OxB00T> and we are seeing through it
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[9:08] <[Saint]> "I was just trolling, lel"
[9:09] <MZ|Alex> lol
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[9:09] <MZ|Alex> when everything else fails, claim it to be a joke :)
[9:10] <home> I really don't care
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[9:10] <home> I am enjoying the "decline"
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[9:11] <OxB00T> home: that's exactly what a communist would say
[9:11] <OxB00T> oh.. my.... god! Home asked for kids earlier, didn't he!
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[9:11] <OxB00T> <home> isn't this channel for kids
[9:11] <[Saint]> Step One To Not Caring: Dedicate time and effort to tell the world exactly how little you care
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[9:12] <OxB00T> so he comes here, groom for kids and spread his anti-gay propaganda
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[9:12] <home> you guys are excellent
[9:12] <home> keep up the work
[9:12] <home> no way did I say any of that
[9:13] <OxB00T> home: it's in the logs. <home> isn't this channel for kids
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[9:13] <ArtuRR> deduction is a hell of a tool
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[9:14] <OxB00T> ArtuRR: deduction? it has 23 letters... letters, 23.... bears have letters.. etc
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[9:16] <Berg> its not realy a topic for this channel
[9:17] <[Saint]> OxB00T: 23 letters? I...what? lol
[9:17] <[Saint]> ddeeedduuuccttiiiiooonn?
[9:18] <MZ|Alex> sooo, anyone worked with bluetooth LE broadcast on rpi ?
[9:18] <OxB00T> [Saint]: that's what they're trying to hide from us. The real spelling has 23 letters in it
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[9:18] <MZ|Alex> I have a very simple question, and can't find any info about it... can you broadcast a different message very 30ms using BLE ?
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[9:18] <OxB00T> its the truth they don't want us to know
[9:19] <OxB00T> MZ|Alex: BLE?
[9:19] <MZ|Alex> bluetooth Low Energy
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[9:19] <MZ|Alex> the advertising part of it
[9:19] <[Saint]> 30ms is a VERY low turnaround time.
[9:19] <MZ|Alex> it supports as low as 20mss
[9:19] <[Saint]> why do you need such latency?
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[9:20] <MZ|Alex> a sensor being read constantly, and need to report up to 40 devices about it.
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[9:20] <MZ|Alex> best solution would be to broadcast
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[9:20] <[Saint]> I can't really imagine any application that requires poling a sensor at that frequency.
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[9:21] <OxB00T> MZ|Alex: is it built into the RPI3?
[9:21] <[Saint]> It 30ms turnaround really necessary for your application?
[9:21] <[Saint]> OxB00T: it is, yes.
[9:22] <MZ|Alex> OxB00T yes
[9:22] <MZ|Alex> [Saint] yes it is
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[9:22] <[Saint]> What, may I ask, is the application?
[9:22] <MZ|Alex> tracking the exact position of a rollercoaster on its rails
[9:23] <MZ|Alex> counting how many turns the wheel spins
[9:23] <MZ|Alex> and sending back that information for real time virtual-reality visualization on the people aboard
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[9:23] <MZ|Alex> it's not a common project, but it's doable and requires 20~30ms of updating data to each client
[9:24] <[Saint]> Sounds like a convoluted way of doing it.
[9:24] <[Saint]> The coaster has a very predictable run time, all you'd need to do is sync the launch of the coaster cars and the start of your simulation.
[9:24] <MZ|Alex> [Saint] http://www.vrcoaster.com/technology.php
[9:25] <MZ|Alex> it's not a crazy Idea I thought about.. there are 40+ roller coasters with this technology and architecture running alreayd
[9:25] <MZ|Alex> [Saint] there's also a position tracker, to get an absolute position of start
[9:26] <MZ|Alex> with that and wheel spin counting you can get a 100% accurate informatio
[9:26] <[Saint]> Seems like a lot of overkill to me.
[9:26] <MZ|Alex> but not to disney who bought it
[9:26] <[Saint]> I sincerely doubt anyone would notice if you were ~500ms-1s out of sync.
[9:27] <MZ|Alex> [Saint] your brain will detect that, I can assure you... specially when 500ms out of sync at 100km/h is a LOT of distance.
[9:27] <MZ|Alex> and motion sickness will occur.
[9:28] <[Saint]> Motion sickness is pretty much guaranteed to occur anyway.
[9:28] <[Saint]> :)
[9:28] <MZ|Alex> but that's more a topic for #oculus not here
[9:28] <MZ|Alex> so back to bluetooth LE
[9:28] <MZ|Alex> can a different packet of data be sent on each broadcast interval ?
[9:29] <[Saint]> If you're doing a VR simulation I honestly don't even see the requirement to actually have a traditional full rail driven coaster.
[9:29] <MZ|Alex> [Saint] I'm debating bluetooth, not rollercoasters or vr
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[9:30] <[Saint]> Yes. That's nice. If only your desired flow of the conversation had any influence on mine, we'd be good.
[9:30] <[Saint]> But it doesn't and I'm damn well free to posit as I want.
[9:30] <MZ|Alex> sorry, I'm looking for someone experienced on bluetooth LE
[9:31] <MZ|Alex> not to debate if my requirements are valid
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[9:35] <[Saint]> Are you dead set on using BTLE? It isn't really the best technology for this type of application for a number of reasons.
[9:35] <[Saint]> Happy to discuss those reasons if you'd like, and suggest a clearly better alternative.
[9:36] <MZ|Alex> [Saint] there's a company which came out with this solution, and it's already implemented, and it uses btle
[9:36] <[Saint]> Direct Magnetic Field Induction has none of the obvious downsides of Bluetooth, such as line-of-sight transmission and latency.
[9:37] <[Saint]> And is already being used in wide scale deployment for syncing multiple media devices, both in the medical field and entertainment.
[9:37] <MZ|Alex> the only implementation of this solution in the world uses BTLE
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[9:38] <[Saint]> That doesn't mean you can't reinvent the wheel with a clearly better technology though, now does it?
[9:38] <MZ|Alex> no, but I was asked to
[9:38] <MZ|Alex> the customer is not interested if it's not btle.. the requirement is rock solid.
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[9:39] <[Saint]> That is likely because the customer is ignorant of MFI.
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[9:40] <[Saint]> It's a solution that hearing aids have been using for years.
[9:40] <MZ|Alex> I bet it will run much better, but it's not an option.
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[9:43] <[Saint]> Hmmmm. One of the challenges this presents when using BT is that if/when one of the headsets falls out of sync, for instance due to poor reception (line of sight, user moves their head too much, obstructs the receiver with their hands or arms whilst flailing around in fear/fun), it'll completely ruin the experience for the user while it tries to sync back up with the transceiver.
[9:43] <[Saint]> I can't really think of any clear way to avoid that.
[9:44] <MZ|Alex> it has already been implemented on 40 places, and nobody complained about it.. how come?
[9:44] <[Saint]> observational bias.
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[9:45] <MZ|Alex> do you have experience on BTLE broadcast?
[9:45] <[Saint]> I do.
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[9:45] <MZ|Alex> can you provide a different data packet on each interval?
[9:45] <MZ|Alex> or do you set a data packet, and then instruct to repeat it over and over automatically at an interval?
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[9:46] <[Saint]> depends entirely on the link logic type used.
[9:47] <MZ|Alex> no link... Im talking about the unicast mode (broadcast)
[9:47] <[Saint]> what? Of course there's a link. There's a sender and a receiver. That's a link.
[9:48] <MZ|Alex> the broadcaster doesnt care if there's any receiver out there..
[9:48] <MZ|Alex> and my question is about if the broadcaster can change the packet content on each interval, which is not related to the client/receiver/listener
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[9:50] <MZ|Alex> let me be even more precies: can a BTLE broadcaster send nonconnectable advertising packets periodically at 30ms interval, while each packet changes its content at each interval?
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[9:50] <MZ|Alex> I know for sure it can do that with a static non-changing packet content/.
[9:56] <[Saint]> "yes", but, also, I think perhaps "no" as well, as it would be very difficult to guarantee that precise 30ms spacing with the psuedo-random anti-collision delay that gets added between advertisement packets.
[9:56] <[Saint]> but perhaps I'm concentrating on the wrong aspect of that question.
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[9:57] <MZ|Alex> is btle broadcast mode designed to repeat the same packet over ?
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[9:58] <MZ|Alex> I meant "over and over"
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[10:02] <[Saint]> I'm not sure I understand the question, and I'm quite sure I don't have enough context or information to do so.
[10:02] <[Saint]> "broadcast mode" is very very vague.
[10:02] <[Saint]> Framed link? Unframed link? Traffic bearer type? Synchronous/Asynchronous?
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[10:08] <MZ|Alex> never mind, you obviously don't have experience on btle
[10:08] <MZ|Alex> at least not on broadcasting over BT LE
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[10:09] <MZ|Alex> there's no sync/async mode on it
[10:10] <[Saint]> What a truly absurd statement.
[10:11] <[Saint]> As you will, sir.
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[10:18] <[Saint]> I suspect you'll find out very very quickly that you don't actually want BLE for this. I can't really see how it gels. 800x600 video at ~12fps (with no audio channel) will exceed the throughput of BLE by an order of magnitude if it was under absolutely perfect broadcast conditions.
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[10:32] <mfa298> From a very quick scan of the first document I found on google BLE supports a broadcasting mode (one to many) or connection mode (one to one). In broadcasting mode data is sent in the advertising payload (31 bytes) and I'd assume this is what MZ|Alex is trying to do.
[10:33] <mfa298> I'm guessing the question is therefore does the Pi provide a suitable interface to supply that payload on a regular & fast basis.
[10:34] <MZ|Alex> mfa298 exactly!
[10:34] <mfa298> I'm assuming the actual data being sent is fairly small (position / time data) that the headsets can use to syncronise a local video playback.
[10:34] <MZ|Alex> 1 or 2 float per packet
[10:34] <MZ|Alex> all you assume is correct :)
[10:35] <MZ|Alex> can I do that from raspberry? all I've found so far is a command line based solution (hcitool)
[10:36] <mfa298> I'm afraid I can't help with the actual answer though, but the idea seems plausible and I can see why BLE is used (means the headsets could potentially be a standard smartphone / tablet type device)
[10:37] <MZ|Alex> mfa298 exatcly, headset is a samsung s6/s7 on gearVR
[10:37] <MZ|Alex> mfa298 is a smart guy :)
[10:38] <mfa298> if it's just being used as a timecode type data I'd imagine you could probably get away with less regular time/position data and interpolate on the client side.
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[10:39] <mfa298> I'd guess there's some C api you can talk to (as I assume hcitool does internally) but I couldn't say how fast you can do those updates.
[10:39] <MZ|Alex> yup, I could do that, its the first thing I thought if frequency can't be matched... but I also noticed the makers reported they were sampling and broadcasting 30 times a second
[10:40] <MZ|Alex> so maybe they used another technology (not a raspberry pi), but I'm sure it can be done, as they already did
[10:41] <MZ|Alex> there are python bindings for BLE but they dont have a broadcast feature
[10:41] <MZ|Alex> I'll keep searching
[10:42] <mfa298> not sure I did anything particularly smart just read a bit and applied previous experience (If you've watched a 35mm film at the cinema with DTS sound the actual sound isn't on the film print it comes from a set of CDs with a timecode to keep it all in sync)
[10:42] <mfa298> I just applied the same principles
[10:42] <MZ|Alex> well, the other guy had a really hard challenge trying to get the idea
[10:43] <[Saint]> The 30ms turnaround time is what worries me, honestly. That's right at the edge of an absolutely perfect broadcast scenario.
[10:43] <[Saint]> That's the spec defined 20ms per advertisement, plus the 0~10ms pseudorandom delay.
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[10:43] <MZ|Alex> mfa298 haha, you know I've used a film exmaple to explain the model to the customer :)
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[10:44] <mfa298> it may be a fairly easy to extend the python bindings (I don't do python), although I wonder if you could get it to turn around fast enough, It may be the sort of thing that needs C
[10:45] <[Saint]> mfa298: anecdotally related - who the hell does actual 35mm prints anymore and isn't George Lucas? :)
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[10:45] <[Saint]> It's all on weird little solid state carts now. The magic of the projection room is a bygone era.
[10:46] <MZ|Alex> mfa298 it seems so: "Python hasn't even caught up to Linux's handling of BLE addresses on sockets. If you want to use python, you either have to combine it with bits written in C or simply have it call bluez command line tools."
[10:46] <MZ|Alex> maybe I could just write the whole thing in C and forget about python
[10:47] <mfa298> [Saint]: I think some smaller places (film societies, universities etc) but I've not done any of that for a few years. Getting into proper digital is expensive and DVD/Blueray for a none home screening is difficult to license.
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[10:48] <mfa298> a few years ago the place over here that did licensing for odd one offs only supported licensing for VHS and if you were lucky DVD (at least around 2010)
[10:49] <[Saint]> mfa298: I know that for the last star wars film, the theaters here had to ship in projectors from Japan of all places specially for the screening, and they had to hire a bunch of old projectionists with the proper security clearence to be able to run the things.
[10:49] <[Saint]> Had to cut a hole in the side of the theater and drop them in via a crane. Fun to watch.
[10:51] <mfa298> I'm surprised Lucas didn't do digital as well, but then that will probably require a new release next year. Previously Lucas was the one pushing new standards (particularly sound)
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[10:51] <[Saint]> These days modern films are sent in solid state carts and you get a one-time code to decrypt it for the precise duration of the showing with a couple of minutes leeway on either side.
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[10:51] <[Saint]> The projectionists can't even unlock it to do a test screening.
[10:51] <[Saint]> They just have to hope all is well.
[10:53] <[Saint]> I missed the first session of The Hateful Eight for that reason. The timecode they had to unlock that screening session was all screwy because someone somewhere forgot about daylight savings.
[10:55] <[Saint]> If the cart isn't decrypted at a very specific time, that one-time key won't decrypt it at all. So because the projectionist tried to use that key in what was technically to be an hour "late" it was just like "nope, nuh-uh" and they had to send us all home because the next viewing sessions were all booked out.
[10:56] <mfa298> I think DCI allows shipping of the film in multiple methods (potentially even download from a secure server) but you do need the key to decrypt, although I thought some of the time locks were more open - that may depend on who you are and how many showings you do though. It may also depend on what point of the release cycle it is (first release might be more open as the distributors will want as many screenings as possible as it's all a (large) percen
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[10:58] * [Saint] nods
[10:58] <[Saint]> I think you're right.
[10:58] <[Saint]> I think the timecodes may get less strict as time draws on and interest in a release wanes.
[10:59] <[Saint]> I was talking to the projectionist after that failed Hateful Eight screening, and he said he has essentially a 2 minute window to unlock that screening session.
[11:00] <[Saint]> And you've just got to hope like hell that it's the correct cut, and the sync and audio is right, because they won't let you do a test screening anymore because of fear of leaks.
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[11:02] <[Saint]> When the decommissioned the analogue projectors at my local theater they coupled and synced the projectors in all ten booths of the theater and did a walkaround/technical preview after the showing for those who were interested.
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[11:02] <[Saint]> It was great.
[11:02] <mfa298> I never did test screenings on 35mm with a film society and we had very few issues. But then I'd spent the time to check the film over before had so any problems were down to me getting it wrong.
[11:03] <[Saint]> Linking all the projectors required something like 1400 meters of leader tape.
[11:03] <mfa298> made life interesting the couple of times the film turned up 2 hours before the screening
[11:04] <mfa298> film-tech used to have a great demo of that (interlocking)
[11:04] <[Saint]> Apparently they don't really like doing that with their films though because having it being ~1000m of leader and behind a couple of hundred guide rollers puts it at some considerable stress.
[11:04] <[Saint]> They did it just as a last hoorah for the projectionists, really.
[11:04] <[Saint]> WHo were effectively made redundant.
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[11:05] <mfa298> http://www.film-tech.com/warehouse/wareview.php?id=1261&category=3
[11:05] <[Saint]> Oooooh, neat. Thank you.
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[11:07] <GRiZL0C> damn i'm not able to watch that on my pi3 :(
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[11:08] <mfa298> where I did cinema stuff we did consider tyying an interlock, but the two screens were in different buildings and on oposite sides of a busy road.
[11:08] <GRiZL0C> pi doesnt have flash/shockwave or java
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[11:12] <[Saint]> Well...there's Java SE for armhf/aarch64
[11:12] <[Saint]> Can't say I shed a tear for the lack of Flash though.
[11:13] <[Saint]> Flash needs to die. MTML5 won. People just don't want to admit it yet and keep using crappy old web tech.
[11:13] <[Saint]> *Html5
[11:14] <mfa298> If you know any 35mm projectionists you can amuse/horrify them with the training videos on that site as well http://www.film-tech.com/warehouse/index.php?category=3#Wacky Stuff
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[11:17] * [Saint] wishes that we got the 70mm format Hateful Eight screenings here.
[11:18] <[Saint]> The only time I know of where we reverted from digital back to analogue broadcast was with Star Wars, and that was only because it was on George Lucas' dime and he paid to have them shipped and installed.
[11:20] <[Saint]> A fair few thousand dollars worth of projector, several hundred kilograms each, shipped by sea and them lovingly nudged into temporary position though a giant hole in a wall cut specially for the task.
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[11:26] <Drzacek> Hi. Is there somewhere a repo with all raspbian versions? And more to a point - is there dev version of raspbian? Anything newer than from 18.03.2016?
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[11:29] <MZ|Alex> Drzacek is this what you're looking for ?https://downloads.raspberrypi.org/raspbian/images/
[11:29] <Drzacek> MZ|Alex, yes. thank you. too bad I don't see anything newer than the one I got
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[11:33] <mfa298> Drzacek: once booted you can update the installed packages with apt-get which will get any updates since the image was made.
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[11:48] <ArtuRR> my poor RPi crashed while watching YT video about interlocking
[11:48] <ArtuRR> apparently USB cabling is a serious issue
[11:51] <MZ|Alex> get a short and quality one.. or a 2.5A supply
[11:52] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> someone here having a homeautomation system on a pi 2 or pi3 ?
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[11:54] <ArtuRR> I swapped it for a shorter one. Thanks for the input!
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[11:56] <ShorTie> length does really effect quality of the wire inside
[11:59] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> yes it does! never take too long cables
[11:59] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> also CPU frequence slows down of the cable is too short!
[11:59] <ShorTie> got a pi powered by a 25' cable
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[12:00] <ShorTie> but it's 18awg real copper wire
[12:00] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> it might work. but longer cables risk less power for the pi = less CPU power if USB devices attached
[12:01] <ArtuRR> can you please explain, how come the short cable might affect the cpu frequency?
[12:01] <mfa298> with longer cables you need larger one for the same voltage drop, (so 25' of 18awg will be better than 25' of 24qwg)
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[12:02] <ShorTie> it will only affect the voltage drop across the cable not the amps
[12:02] <mfa298> ShorTie: but the voltage drop is dependant on how many amps are being pulled.
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[12:03] <ArtuRR> I see, thanks
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[12:06] <ShorTie> but by over sizing the the, the ohm's of the wire goes down, so the voltage drop goes down
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[12:07] <ShorTie> that is why I wired from generator to house with 250mcm instead of the normal 4'0t
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[12:07] <ShorTie> it's a 700' run
[12:08] <therion23> hey folks, quick question .. whats the best temperature/humidity sensor that doesnt cost a small fortune? i got a DHT22 but wondering if theres anything more accurate
[12:08] <ShorTie> most humidity have temp built in
[12:09] <ShorTie> like the dh-22 i believe it is
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[12:09] <therion23> yeah thats the one i got, and i figure it does the job .. just wondering if theres anything better
[12:10] <daveake> BME280 is worth looking at
[12:10] <daveake> dunno if it's "better"
[12:10] <therion23> i havent tried the 22 yet, but the 11 suffered from the fact you can only query it once every two seconds or so .. its very slow
[12:11] <ShorTie> i think they all have a minimium scan time like that
[12:12] <ShorTie> things aren't gonna change much in 2 seconds anyways
[12:12] <daveake> Is the delay a problem? Do you expect it to change that quickly?
[12:12] <therion23> haha, apparently you havent been to Copenhagen before :D
[12:13] <daveake> Well I have, but really, 2 seconds?
[12:13] <therion23> not a real problem, just a cosmetic one ..
[12:13] <ShorTie> if doing it in a loop, just set time when read and don't read again till time is > then 2 seconds
[12:14] <therion23> would be so lovely to be able to read it every second since part of it is a clock
[12:14] <ShorTie> you need to do that type of stuff with a Arduino
[12:15] <daveake> if you want to improve the cosmetics, take a reading every 2 seconds, and halfway between readings update the display with an interpolated reading
[12:15] <daveake> er, extrapolated :)
[12:15] <therion23> oh theres an idea
[12:15] <therion23> yeah, gotcha, hehe
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[12:16] <therion23> the 280 looks really nice, it measures pressure as well it seems?
[12:16] <boxmein> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/2016-New-Arrival-Top-Quality-DSP-PLL-87-108MHz-Digital-Wireless-Microphone-Stereo-FM-Transmitter-Module/32593339450.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_7,searchweb201602_1_10017_10034_10021_507_10022_10020_10009_10008_10018_10019,searchweb201603_7&btsid=9bd030f7-4b7e-4a8b-bb21-cdd9c0bfbcd3&smToken=426edf4b85bc40e48397637c00cc6ede&smSign=Fh9QaYxCJahtZplB08Vypw%3D%3D
[12:16] <boxmein> seems cool?
[12:16] <boxmein> should attain?
[12:16] <daveake> yes it's basically the old and reliable BMP180 with humidity added, I believe
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[12:20] <therion23> wow, exactly what im looking for
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[12:25] <therion23> four Euro - sold!
[12:26] <therion23> thank you so much for the advice, i shall bid you all a wonderful weekend :)
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[12:42] <Drzacek> So I've been fightng since yesterday to get my CC LCD to run on RPi3. Today I finally soldered header on mi PiZero, and the effect is the same. So it would imply that the screen itself may be faulty. Can someone recommend some other small cheap LCD that 100% works with raspberry?
[12:43] <daveake> touchscreen?
[12:43] <Drzacek> daveake, no, just plain display
[12:43] <daveake> Get a cheap car reversing display
[12:44] <daveake> They connect to the composite, so for modern Pis you'll need an adapter
[12:44] <Drzacek> daveake, how do I connect them?
[12:44] <daveake> And you'll need to mess around with the overscan
[12:44] <daveake> but they work well, or at least the ones I've tried do
[12:45] <ShorTie> i just soldered wire in mine https://www.dropbox.com/s/kpe5ek17e7e4fkf/IMAG0003.JPG?dl=0
[12:45] <daveake> This is one I used http://www.daveakerman.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/tft.jpg
[12:46] <ShorTie> they internally run at 5v, so it runs right off of the pi
[12:47] <ShorTie> just by pass the regulator in it
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[12:48] <daveake> yeah I opened mine up and found that out; never ran it direct tho
[12:48] <ShorTie> thats my movie camera, lol.
[12:49] <Drzacek> it looks big
[12:49] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> ShorTie, do u also have axperience or a ecommendation for home automation?
[12:49] <Drzacek> damn, I really hoped that this 2.2 tft from china would work
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[12:51] <ShorTie> not really ThUnD3r|Gr33n
[12:52] <ShorTie> but if any of it is wireless, stick to 433mhz instead of 2.4ghz
[12:52] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> ShorTie, damn. searching a home automation solution for my home :(
[12:52] <ShorTie> better propagation and distance with 433mhz
[12:52] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> yes. i guess it's better having 433
[12:53] <ShorTie> i use the rfm69's for wireless
[12:53] <mfa298> or go 869 if you want a quieter bit of space (although the allowed bands/powers etc depend on where you are in the world)
[12:54] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> mfa298, france
[12:55] <ShorTie> the rfm69's are 3.3v, so they are a direct connect
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[12:55] <mfa298> I've used the 869 MHz rfm69's on pi and avr boards, they work nicely
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[12:56] <Celerity> Hey guys, can anyone help me with the Bluetooth LE packet on the RPi3?
[12:57] <Celerity> I just went through the command list in the Core v4.2.pdf (the Bluetooth specification).
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[12:57] <Celerity> and there is this command 0x08 0x0007 which gives you the TX power
[12:57] <Celerity> However, I am unable to interpret the returned values
[12:58] <Celerity> I type in sudo hcitool -i hci0 cmd 0x08 0x0007
[12:58] <Celerity> 01 07 20 00 0C
[12:59] <Celerity> The above string are the values returned to me.
[12:59] <Celerity> One of them is supposed to represent the tx power.
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[13:01] <ShorTie> you trying to increase or decrease the power output ??
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[13:04] <Drzacek> Hmm so Rpi3 won't boot from old raspbian wheezy image
[13:04] <OxB00T> Drzacek: neither will you
[13:04] <ShorTie> nop, it's a land before time type thing
[13:06] <Drzacek> too bad. I was hoping, that maybe when I use old system, the one that was used in that tutorial, then I'll get this lcd to work
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[13:08] <Viper168> I would think the process would be about the same?
[13:09] <Celerity> ShorTie, I'm not trying to either. I only want to read it out.
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[13:09] <Celerity> ShorTie, also, is it actually possible to increase or decrease the TX power?
[13:11] <Celerity> Drzacek, I tried to get the RPi3 to boot my Rpi system image. Surprisingly it didn't work for me and I was like, "Meh, I'll just format it anyway"
[13:12] <ShorTie> So So Sorry, I have no idea if you can adjust it
[13:13] <ShorTie> is it not like a meaningless number your trying read then ??
[13:14] <ShorTie> gotta stick any old image in a old rpi and update/upgrade it, then it will boot
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[13:15] <ShorTie> it's a land before time type thing, any old image doesn't know what a rpi3 is
[13:15] <Celerity> lol yes
[13:16] <Celerity> ShorTie, regarding the ble, I don't think it can be adjusted however that number can be used in the advertising packet frame to indicate the actual tx power of the braodcast packet.
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[13:19] <ShorTie> ok, have no idea why you would need that in a 'advertising packet'
[13:20] <Celerity> an ibeacon packet or an eddystone url packet broadcasts it...
[13:20] <ShorTie> it's really a meaningless #, imho
[13:21] <ShorTie> other things effect the distance the output power
[13:22] <Celerity> yes
[13:22] <Celerity> I mean, I *could* put the TX power as 00
[13:22] <Celerity> but that'd be very meaningless yes?
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[13:23] <ShorTie> stick it at a million
[13:23] <Celerity> can't
[13:23] <Celerity> -20 to +10
[13:23] <Celerity> no
[13:23] <Celerity> wait.
[13:23] <Celerity> the broadcast frame supports value from -128 to _127
[13:23] <Celerity> +127
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[14:19] <ThePendulum> the Pi 3 in a Pibow Coupé is absolutely gorgeous :D
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[14:23] <Drzacek> Does PiTFT package work only with official Adafruit LCDs? And any other (chinese...) LCD won't work?
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[14:27] <Bilby> Drzacek: they will if they use the same chipset / firmware
[14:29] <ThePendulum> god I love synergy
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[14:32] <ThePendulum> damn, neither of my mSD -> SD adapters appear to be working :C
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[14:32] <niston> there's a "tube amplifier for the raspberry" now
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[14:33] <niston> http://hackerboards.com/raspberry-pi-gets-a-hybrid-tube-audio-amp-hat/
[14:33] <Bilby> niston: it's even a HAT, which is funny
[14:33] <Bilby> i remember Back In The Day someone turned out a computer motherboard with an integrated tube amp
[14:33] <ThePendulum> for a moment I imagined they actually used tubes for the motherboard itself
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[14:34] <niston> hehe
[14:34] <Bilby> hehe
[14:34] <niston> so you can make your raspi look like the circuit that doc brown strapped to the broken delorean in, what was it, 1885 ?
[14:35] <Bilby> I want to say it was a Gen 3 P4 board
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[14:35] <ThePendulum> meh, seems like today's project has stalled
[14:35] <ThePendulum> and I got to order a mSD reader or something
[14:35] <Bilby> ThePendulum: http://ixbtlabs.com/articles2/aopentube/
[14:35] <ThePendulum> hah damn
[14:36] <niston> gee
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[14:36] <ThePendulum> does anyone happen to know if I could use Android to dd to an SD card?
[14:36] <ThePendulum> mSD
[14:37] <niston> Bilby: lol
[14:37] <niston> they went through all these hoops and then used a Realtek ALC650
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[14:51] <ChunkzZ> hello.
[14:53] <ThePendulum> 'lo
[14:53] <ChunkzZ> the pi 2 led options are different on the pi 3 -.-
[14:54] <ThePendulum> positive
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[14:56] <ChunkzZ> how can I keep track on the heat of my pi's?
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[14:59] <vmesel> hey guys, I'm running a Windows with QEMU and I would like to know if i can get a Slackware up and running on it
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[14:59] <mfa298> ChunkzZ: you can query it 'vcgencmd measure_temp', I collect that and a few other things (arm frequency) on my zabbix server
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[15:02] <ChunkzZ> mfa298, is that for gpu or cpu?
[15:03] <ChunkzZ> vmesel, this is a raspberrypi channel - what?
[15:03] <ChunkzZ> temp=51.5'C
[15:04] <ChunkzZ> nice! :D
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[15:04] <mfa298> ChunkzZ: it's the temperature on the chip, there's probably not much difference between gpu and cpu.
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[15:05] <mfa298> there's a set of other things you can query as well (arm speed, various voltages etc) with the same command (google should give a list)
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[15:21] <Mowgli> !Hi,
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[15:34] <ChunkzZ> thanks mfa298 you're a star
[15:38] <Drzacek> Does anyone here tried working with such a thing? http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Wholesale-1PC-2-2-Inch-240-320-Dots-SPI-TFT-LCD-Serial-Port-Module-Display-ILI9341/1755410916.html
[15:40] <ChunkzZ> I wouldn't order off them even if I was paid
[15:40] <mgottschlag> Drzacek: I used such a display with a microcontroller before
[15:40] <mgottschlag> (exactly that model)
[15:41] <Drzacek> ChunkzZ, well, I did :P
[15:41] <mgottschlag> there is example code for that display
[15:41] <Drzacek> mgottschlag, I
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[15:41] <Drzacek> I'm trying since yesterday to get it working
[15:42] <mgottschlag> only one day so far? well, that's normal when you try to bringup "unknown" hardware :p
[15:42] <mgottschlag> did you manage to read data from the display? that's a good test to see whether communication works
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[15:42] <mgottschlag> also, always include 1k resistors in SPI lines to make sure that you don't burn any GPIO pins by accidently creating short circuits :)
[15:43] <mgottschlag> also, show some code/photos of your wiring if you want
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[15:44] <Drzacek> mgottschlag, I believe the wiring is okay, I have a video somewhere
[15:44] <Drzacek> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9qnhpJlh5U
[15:45] <mgottschlag> what is blinking there? backlight, or LCD?
[15:45] <Drzacek> (you can skip first 40s)
[15:45] <Drzacek> backlight
[15:45] <mgottschlag> the backlight is btw to power-intensive for the pi's gpios iirc
[15:45] <Drzacek> mgottschlag, so I heard, I put 47 ohm on led pin
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[15:46] <mgottschlag> ah, well, so it does work?
[15:46] <Drzacek> mgottschlag, almost
[15:46] <Drzacek> I have to call modprobe each time
[15:46] <Drzacek> and it doesn't seem to take any setting into account, rotation, fps etc
[15:47] <mgottschlag> ah, well, okay, that's a different level compared to the one on which I worked with that display :)
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[15:48] <Drzacek> mgottschlag, since you connected to uc then you had to use driver directly. Here I don't know whats going on, I read few instructions, each were telling different locations/files for config, the raspbian itself changed a lot i lat 2 years
[15:48] <mgottschlag> The modprobe can be solved by adding the module to /etc/modprobe.d/ probably
[15:49] <Drzacek> like adding some line somewhere, or copying some file there?
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[15:55] <mgottschlag> no idea how that's done exactly, but the modules in those files are automatically modprobed on startup
[15:55] <mgottschlag> you'll need to google modprobe.d
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[15:58] <Bilby> grr... this kind of blatent counterfiting makes me not want to ever buy from ali :| http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-20PCS-LOT-New-NE555-NE555P-NE555N-555-Timers-DIP-8-TEXAS/32454200211.html
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[15:59] <Bilby> compare http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/texas-instruments/NE555P/296-1411-5-ND/277057
[16:00] <Bilby> they're a 1/10th the cost, there's no way they are legitimate TI chips but they try really hard to look like it
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[16:01] <mgottschlag> there is no way either that a 555 should cost 40ct these days either though, it's probably cheaper to produce than the average power mosfet, and those sell for much less on digikey
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[16:02] <mgottschlag> digikey probably doesn't really sell loads of 555s, because that's not really a part which is widely used in the industry any more
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[16:02] <Bilby> hah true enough
[16:02] <Bilby> it was just the first one I saw
[16:03] <Bilby> those kids of ICs are ones I buy 10 of just because they're so cheap anyway it's like *shrug* i can kill 9 and still be good :P
[16:03] <mgottschlag> 4ct certainly is insanely low, but I could imagine that that's the actual price of those chips when you buy them in large quantity :)
[16:04] <mgottschlag> but yeah, probably most of those are slightly cheaper knockoffs
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[16:04] <mgottschlag> hm, no, not necessarily... digikey sells them for 10ct, so 4ct in china is actually not too far off
[16:04] <stiv> mgottschlag, i notice the ali site does not say Texas Instruments. just TEXAS
[16:04] <mgottschlag> the average aliexpress vendor doesn't even know what they are selling
[16:05] <mgottschlag> they just forgot to copy the " INSTRUMENTS" when they cloned the website of another seller
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[16:06] <stiv> that is the charitable explanation.
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[16:11] <daveake> I had some fake chips once .. not even close to being functional (unless the function is "make smoke")
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[16:11] <daveake> Someone else had some that did nothing, so he opened one up. Nothing inside.
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[16:12] <Rukus> external hard drives with bolts inside
[16:12] <daveake> ditto powerbanks
[16:13] <daveake> big caps containing small caps
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[16:13] <Rukus> blame china?
[16:13] <wili> hey anyone with some news about spotify connect thing? I had problem with sound quality little bit with this lib https://github.com/crsmoro/scplayer
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[16:16] <Bilby> ironically the only chips that probably don't smoke are the smoke generators
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[16:22] <oq> also chips under 18
[16:23] <Bilby> ba-dum-pshh
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[16:30] <Hypnotizes> does anyone succeed using pi zero as ethernet usb gadget?
[16:31] <Hypnotizes> osx doesnt detect RNDIS/Ethernet gadget
[16:31] <Encrypt> "Pi Zero" & "Ethernet"
[16:32] <Encrypt> You'd better take a model B+
[16:32] <Bilby> Hypnotizes: it should be fine... does windows recognize it as an ethernet device?
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[16:32] <Hypnotizes> didnt try in windows
[16:33] <Bilby> Did you follow this guide? https://learn.adafruit.com/turning-your-raspberry-pi-zero-into-a-usb-gadget/ethernet-gadget
[16:33] <Bilby> you probably don't need to update the kernel anymore
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[16:33] <shauno> windows should work fine. it just doesn't like the composite modes
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[16:34] <shauno> (where the gadget is more than one device at once, like eth+serial)
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[16:35] <Hypnotizes> yes Bilby, wait I will test in windows first
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[16:38] <cagmz> can someone explain how setShiftRegisterValues() works? https://bpaste.net/show/d642a3b9bf48 all the examples I've seen show bits, but this example uses an array to turn on a wire here: http://rayshobby.net/docs/ospi14_manual.pdf
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[16:40] <mgottschlag> cagmz: you'll probably find example waveforms in the datasheet of your shift register IC
[16:40] <mgottschlag> all those lines correspond to setting a pin of the register to 1 or 0, and the datasheet probably shows examples
[16:41] <mgottschlag> do your have a datasheet for the IC?
[16:45] <cagmz> i do, but i don't understand it (I've never read one before). im trying to understand through code first
[16:46] <cagmz> so lines 14-16. clock pin is set to low, then data is sent to the data pin, and when clock pin set to high, the shift register reads the data pin?
[16:47] <mgottschlag> can you post a link to the datasheet?
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[16:47] <cagmz> sure. https://www.sparkfun.com/datasheets/IC/SN74HC595.pdf . im reading this tutorial though: https://www.arduino.cc/en/Tutorial/ShiftOut
[16:48] <ThePendulum> booting up my Pi 3 for the first time :o
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[16:50] <ThePendulum> it's not booting :o
[16:50] <Hypnotizes> Bilby: it doesnt work. windows does detect the device but there is no driver.
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[16:50] <ThePendulum> it booted :o
[16:51] <Bilby> hmm
[16:51] <Bilby> Hypnotizes: hmm. not sure
[16:51] <GeekDude> I've configured my pi to be an internet connection sharing (ICS) host using the steps on the ubuntu wiki (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Internet/ConnectionSharing#Ubuntu_Internet_Gateway_Method_.28iptables.29). It seems that it is successfully keeping the ICS configuration between reboots, but it doesn't actually connect itself to the chosen subnet so it can talk to devices on that network. I can
[16:51] <GeekDude> connect it manually 'sudo ip addr add 10.42.0.1/24 dev usb0', but I'd prefer if I didn't have to do that every time. As such, I've gone into /etc/network/interfaces and added an entry for usb0 'allow-hotplug usb0' 'iface usb0 inet static', but I'm not sure what to put for the gateway. Should I put the pi's own chosen address, since it's acting as the gateway on that network?
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[16:55] <ScrumpyJack> anyone know how to get g_ether gadget working on raspbian?
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[16:56] <mgottschlag> sorry, horrible internet connection
[16:56] <ThePendulum> woah, there are a lot more Pi's than I thought
[16:56] <ThePendulum> according to Rastrack
[16:56] <mgottschlag> cagmz: okay, the data sheet isn't that great
[16:56] <mgottschlag> unless you know how flipflops work
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[16:59] <ScrumpyJack> no g_ether kernel module in 4.4.6-v7
[17:00] <mgottschlag> cagmz: generally, you feed the register with one bit per clock cycle
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[17:00] <mgottschlag> and the latch bit tells you whether the data in the register is shown on the outputs, or whether an old version is "latched".
[17:01] <Hypnotizes> ScrumpyJack: I got the same problem
[17:01] <mgottschlag> so that's what that code does... it shifts in some data while latch = false (which is probably inverted logic, so the data *is* latched), so that the output doesn't change while the register is shifted
[17:01] <Hypnotizes> ScrumpyJack: what did you tried?
[17:01] <mgottschlag> and only when all data in the register is stable, "latch = true" shows the data on the outputs
[17:01] <ScrumpyJack> there is a module in 4.4.6+/.../legacy/g_ether.ko
[17:01] <mgottschlag> cagmz: does that make sense?
[17:02] <cagmz> mgottschlag, let me think through it for a bit. but is line 11 even needed? clock pin is being disabled on line 14
[17:03] <mgottschlag> no, line 11 is probably not required
[17:03] <Hypnotizes> I just followed this ScrumpyJack http://alexfabre.com/include/project/RaspGadget.html
[17:03] <Zardoz> hey guys have a good day... see you in 10 hours.
[17:03] <mgottschlag> it's probably only required when the function is called under weird circumstances, maybe because latch must not change when the clock is high
[17:03] <Hypnotizes> ScrumpyJack: but the RNDIS/Ethernet gadget does not show up in osx
[17:04] <ScrumpyJack> Hypnotizes: you have the g_ether module loaded?
[17:04] <ScrumpyJack> in raspbian?
[17:04] <Hypnotizes> I think so
[17:04] <Hypnotizes> is there a way to check?
[17:04] <cagmz> mgottschlag, what exactly is "latching"?
[17:05] <ThePendulum> the Pi 3 having a wifi module is fantastic, just 1 cable running from it :D
[17:05] <ScrumpyJack> what's the output of umane -r
[17:05] <Hypnotizes> 4.4.6+
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[17:05] <ScrumpyJack> and the output of modinfo g_ether ?
[17:06] <mgottschlag> cagmz: the input value of the latch (storage cell) is ignored as long as the control wire is 0
[17:06] <mgottschlag> if the control wire (your "latch" input signal) is 1, then the input value is passed through to the output
[17:06] <Hypnotizes> ScrumpyJack: http://puu.sh/oIpfD/b63309530b.png
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[17:07] <mgottschlag> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flip-flop_(electronics)#Gated_D_latch <- that's the very technical description :)
[17:08] <mgottschlag> and your shift register has such a latch (=additional storage element) for every bit to keep the output stable while you are manipulating the register value
[17:08] <mgottschlag> because, after all, a shift register cannot just flip a single bit... you have to shift in a completely new value, so *all* bits are toggled uncontrollably in the process
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[17:09] <Hypnotizes> ScrumpyJack: the ../legacy/g_ether.ko file exists
[17:09] <cagmz> mgottschlag, so as the array is iterated through, is a "signal" being "built up" by alternating the clock before the latch is set to true? see lines 7-10 https://bpaste.net/show/2013e7f88f12
[17:09] <ScrumpyJack> Hypnotizes: all looks good. can't help you with osx though :(
[17:09] <mgottschlag> (the actual shift register consists of a number of D *flipflops* which, as opposed to D latches, move the input signal to its own memory cell when the clock *toggles*, not whenever it is 1)
[17:10] <mgottschlag> whenever you alternate the clock, the shift register will take one input bit and shift it into the flipflops (and, on the other end, one bit will "fall out")
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[17:10] <mgottschlag> cagmz: that's page 3 of the datasheet
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[17:11] <mgottschlag> the SER (=input signal) is moved into the first flipflop, and the output is moved into the input of the second flipflop, etc etc
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[17:12] <mgottschlag> also, what I said about latches is not true here... here the "latches" are actually flipflops, so the output is set whenever the latch signal goes from 0 to 1 :)
[17:13] <mgottschlag> (the difference between a latch and a flipflop is that the latter reacts to clock edges, i.e. signal *changes*)
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[17:28] <jrg> root@pi:/etc/samba# wbinfo -u
[17:28] <jrg> could not obtain winbind interface details: WBC_ERR_WINBIND_NOT_AVAILABLE
[17:28] <jrg> hm. that's odd.
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[17:29] <jrg> ah ok. nm. guess a reboot fix it. must have screwed up winbind somehow
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[17:33] <jrg> hm. now getent passwd doesn't seem to show the names even tho wbinfo -u works
[17:33] <jrg> after editing the nsswitch.conf
[17:35] <MiningInc> hmm any reasons why 'jobs' would stop showing running jobs? I am on my pi2 ()SSH in() and using Raspbian ()via noobs ()
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[17:36] <MiningInc> I have used the command before. Though I cannot remember if I have ever used the command via SSH connection or directly on the local device. ()though I don't see why access method would matter for that command.
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[17:38] <MiningInc> It does not provide any errors, seemingly 'runs', then jumps to next line with empty prompt
[17:38] <Hypnotizes> anyone here with osx el capitan?
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[17:45] <Bilby> Hypnotizes I probably do
[17:45] <Bilby> yeah looks like i got around to upgrading this one
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[17:46] <Hypnotizes> Bilby: can you check for CSC composite in system information (see first image: https://github.com/ev3dev/ev3dev/wiki/Setting-Up-OSX-USB-Ethernet-Networking)
[17:47] <Hypnotizes> it looks like I am missing CSC composite
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[17:48] <Hypnotizes> hmm wait those are not the drivers
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[17:50] <Hypnotizes> even in network options I cant add a RNDIS interface/ethernet gadget
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[18:11] <computer2000> Does anyone know if I can use Johnny Five to control an Arduino running from USB on a Raspberry Pi?
[18:12] <Chillum> the robot from Short Circuit?
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[18:14] <methuzla> computer2000, this? http://johnny-five.io/
[18:15] <computer2000> methuzla: yes
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[18:18] <Hitechcg> hey guys!!!
[18:18] <Hitechcg> I got Windows Server 2012 running on a Raspberry Pi with QEMU!!!
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[18:18] <Hitechcg> Check it out!!!
[18:18] <Hitechcg> http://htcg.ddns.net/
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[18:19] <oq> why
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[18:20] <methuzla> now run apache in a cygwin shell on the emulated windows
[18:21] <Hitechcg> Good idea!
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[18:23] <Hypnotizes> Hitechcg: how did you do that
[18:24] <Hitechcg> Nah
[18:24] <Hitechcg> I'm just screwing around
[18:24] <Hitechcg> Stuck the default IIS www page in nginx
[18:24] <methuzla> computer2000, maybe, have you tried following the debian instructions?
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[18:26] <Drzace> Damn. Whats the point of having bleeding-edge-yet-inexpensive computers like RPi, if there are no cheap displays for it. I mean, seriously - Do they really have to cost 10 times what PiZero cost?
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[18:27] <Hitechcg> Drzace: Most people just use a display they already own...
[18:27] <methuzla> rpi is not a bleeding-edge-yet-inexpensive computer
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[18:28] <Hitechcg> methuzla: Of course not, it runs debian :P
[18:28] <Drzace> methuzla, well I wanted to make it sound better that it really is
[18:28] <Drzace> besides, my rommate has PC that is probably comparable with RPi3
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[18:29] <oq> drzace: buy a smartphone if you want a pi with a screen
[18:29] <oq> except the smartphone would have better specs
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[18:30] <Drzace> oq, it's not the same and you know it
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[18:30] <Hitechcg> I have to agree with that though
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[18:30] <oq> drzace: Why isn't it? The pi is just a collection of cheap parts designed for mobiles
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[18:31] <oq> and it's certainly not bleeding edge
[18:31] <Drzace> oq, well, you have more control over it
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[18:35] <wtiger> hello!
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[18:36] <Hitechcg> hello!
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[18:39] <wtiger> i recently got a raspberry pi 3, in which I'm trying to run noobs..
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[18:40] <wtiger> I downloaded the noobs zip from the website, extracted it to a FAT32 formatted sd card, but the pi doesn't boot up to it...
[18:40] <methuzla> you've got to image the sd
[18:40] <wtiger> (only the red led turns on, not the other one...)
[18:40] <wtiger> ?
[18:41] <ThePendulum> the pi 3 only shows red when booted
[18:41] <Drzacek> wtiger, win32diskImager ?
[18:41] <wtiger> Drzacek: i'm on linux...
[18:41] <methuzla> dd
[18:42] <wtiger> ThePendulum: then why isn't there any output to the monitor?
[18:42] <ThePendulum> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[18:42] <methuzla> wtiger, https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/installation/installing-images/linux.md
[18:42] <ThePendulum> the red LED at least isn't an indicator of something wrong
[18:42] <wtiger> methuzla: i followed the instructions over at raspberrypi.org, ..
[18:42] <wtiger> let me fetch the link quick
[18:43] <wtiger> https://www.raspberrypi.org/help/noobs-setup/
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[18:44] <wtiger> here it says just extract the noobs zip files, and copy them over to the formatted sd card...
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[18:45] <wtiger> so much for RTFM..
[18:46] <methuzla> well, huh. yeah. sorry. my bad for assuming noobs worked like everything else.
[18:46] <wtiger> seriously man..
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[18:56] <pwillard> did you extract then copy or extract TO the sd card?
[18:56] <ThePendulum> woo, got my LED grid working with my Pi 3
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[18:56] <wtiger> pwillard: extract, then copy
[18:58] <pwillard> verified that your SD card is one that works with raspberry pi?
[18:58] <computer2000> Anyone knows if I can control an Arduino connected via USB to the Raspberry Pi using Johnny Five? www.johnny-five.io
[18:58] <wtiger> pwillard: how do i do that?
[18:58] <pwillard> no reason why not... it's a virtual serial and firmata solution computer2000
[18:58] <computer2000> methuzla: I haven't tried so far, I'm only checking possibilties that's why I'm asking
[18:59] <pwillard> wtiger:
[19:00] <pwillard> http://elinux.org/RPi_SD_cards
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[19:00] <computer2000> pwillard: I'm planning three robots, each tethered to power their motors via external PSU therefore the USB cable is not a problem - three Raspberry Pi's headless, SSH'ing into them to control the robots
[19:00] <computer2000> pwillard: you see any possible problems / things I should consider?
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[19:01] <pwillard> Johnny 5 is just a PC front end to firmata... so no
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[19:19] <Celerity> did anyone notice that the rpi3 ble supports random and aes commands?
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[19:28] <GRiZL0C> if anyone wants a cheap compact keyboard and mouse combo i suggest you try the Logitech MK220 combo its very cheap entry level keyboard mouse combo and you'll also need lots of alkaline batteries. I read they last about 5 months
[19:29] <GRiZL0C> great key&mouse combo for your rpi3
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[19:31] <Celerity> I suppose no one has dabbled with BLE commands then.
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[19:39] <tommy``> guys anyone have a tutorial for make music with pi2 and floppy?
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[19:46] <MZ|Alex> tommy`` no luck with google ?
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[19:47] <tommy``> found all for rapsberry 1
[19:47] <tommy``> i dunno how connect the gpio are different
[19:48] <tommy``> http://www.instructables.com/id/Floppy-Drive-music-w-Raspberry-Pi/?ALLSTEPS
[19:48] <tommy``> i dunno why it says: "Connect floppy drive pin 18 to pin 11 on the Pi (gipo 0) "
[19:48] <tommy``> the pin 11 is GPIO 17
[19:48] <tommy``> not 0
[19:49] <MZ|Alex> tommy`` you can get the pinout of rpi1 and rpi2 and make the equivalence
[19:49] <tommy``> MZ|Alex, check the link why the guide says gipo 0 ?
[19:49] <MZ|Alex> let me check
[19:49] <tommy``> ok
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[19:53] <methuzla> tommy``, it's a typo and different pin numbering schemes
[19:53] <methuzla> tommy``, ref here for pinout: http://pinout.xyz/
[19:54] <MZ|Alex> I couldnt find the pinout naming scheme to post here
[19:54] <methuzla> tommy``, physical pin 11 = BCM 17 = WiringPi 0
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[19:55] <methuzla> tommy``, and by 'gipo 0' i think they are trying to say GPIO 0
[19:58] <methuzla> tommy``, also, all pi's have common pin assignments on gpio header, newer models just add more pins
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[20:00] <tommy``> ah ok
[20:00] <tommy``> i could apply this too pi2, right?
[20:00] <methuzla> yes
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[20:03] <methuzla> gotta run, good luck...
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[20:04] <tommy``> ok methuzla and MZ|Alex i saw with gpio readall command the meaning of GPIO 0
[20:04] <tommy``> thanks guys
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[20:10] <MZ|Alex> np ;)
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[20:39] <ThePendulum> hmm
[20:40] <ThePendulum> I'm looking to write my own rpi_ws281x scripts, not sure what I need from the bundle
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[20:59] <gordonDrogon> best way to get a pinnout diagram is to type: gpio readall
[21:00] <gordonDrogon> you get all 3 numbering schemes there.
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[21:40] <ThePendulum> gordonDrogon: woah
[21:40] <ThePendulum> thanks
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[21:51] <Crom> I've over clocked my rpi3 to 1.3Ghz and 500Mhz to the GPU trying 1.4 and 600 next
[21:52] <Crom> running 42.39C max so far
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[21:53] <giddles> what?
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[21:53] <giddles> i run the 3 on 81.4°C after 2min youtube, unclocked :D
[21:53] <giddles> eh not overclocked
[21:54] <Crom> I'm running heat sinks and fan
[21:54] <giddles> ah ok
[21:54] <giddles> i have heatsinks but no fan
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[21:57] <ChunkzZ> I don't even have that XD stock here apart from sdcard overclocked
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[21:57] <ChunkzZ> 1.4ghz should be pretty easy /with/ 500mhz. I wouldn't try pushing more than 500mhz though
[21:57] <ChunkzZ> you'll fry something
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[22:00] <Crom> ok slowing down to 1.4 and 500
[22:01] <ChunkzZ> read some tuts Crom :)
[22:01] <ChunkzZ> makee sure to bench for stability
[22:01] <ChunkzZ> for sure :p
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[22:04] <Crom> ok back to 1.4 and 500
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[22:05] <Crom> ok starting a 1:20 video max temp so far 41.86C
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[22:06] <Crom> sitting at 39.17C to 40C
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[22:08] <Crom> bumped to 42.93C
[22:09] <Crom> ok it still doesn't like 720 youtube videos back to 360
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[22:11] <Crom> bouncing between 40.78C and 41.86C at 360 video and theater mode on 1024x768 screen
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[22:19] <ChunkzZ> lol Crom why are you overclocking?
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[22:20] <Crom> for better youtube
[22:21] <Crom> still 42.93C max
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[22:23] <lorenzo> hi
[22:24] <lorenzo> do you know if the default raspbian kernel comes with adt7410 module? or if there's a repo where I can read the .config
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[22:34] <ChunkzZ> for better youtube? can you just not tweak a web browser or use kodi Crom ?
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[22:38] <Crom> throwing pixels takes horsepower. Still waiting for my Banana Pi which will do 4K... if it'll do 4K, it'll do 720 just fine. which is what I'm looking for.
[22:39] <ChunkzZ> lmao dude
[22:39] <ChunkzZ> :/
[22:39] <Crom> I don't have cable or the ability to recive OTA broadcasts. So my TV's need a computer on them and I play youtube videos
[22:40] <ChunkzZ> you realize it's not like FULLY your overclocking that'll youtube good videos?!
[22:40] <ChunkzZ> what SD card you got?
[22:40] <Crom> Samsung UHI-1 class 10
[22:40] <ChunkzZ> evo? evo+?
[22:41] <Crom> getting the WD raspberrypi drive in a month or so
[22:41] <Crom> think so
[22:41] <ChunkzZ> you overclocked the sd card?
[22:41] <Crom> yep
[22:41] <ChunkzZ> I play youtube videos fine
[22:41] <ChunkzZ> ...
[22:42] <ChunkzZ> youtube-dl < might be useful for you
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[22:42] <ChunkzZ> I have a 32GB samsung evo+ class 10 card, sdcard overclocked but cpu stock. youtube is fine...
[22:42] <ChunkzZ> ...dunno
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[22:43] <Crom> full screen 720 resolution?
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[22:43] <ChunkzZ> I tweaked palemoon a lot though, could be why.
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[23:16] <etonka1> trying to connect a pi3b to a vga flatpanel with a ablecon hdmi to vga adapter, no output on the screen, do i need to force the screen resolution first before connecting or what?
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[23:17] <pksato> vga flatpanel? Its working?
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[23:19] <pksato> This is a active hdmi to VGA converter?
[23:19] <etonka1> tested both, pi to different hdmi flatpanel ok, vga flatpanel to old pc ok
[23:20] <etonka1> yes active
[23:21] <pksato> boot on hdmi safe mode.
[23:21] <pksato> if have a OS installed.
[23:22] <pksato> have a remote access?
[23:22] <etonka1> http://www.amazon.com/Ableconn-HDMI2VGAA-Active-Adapter-Converter/dp/B00Y07LB0C
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[23:24] <pksato> if have, external power is connected?
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[23:24] <etonka1> no boot screen, wondering if i got a doa converter. did use external power from pi usb to adapter
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[23:25] <etonka1> so normally this type of config should probe screen capabilities and just do the right thing?
[23:25] <pksato> you have other device with hdmi output?
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[23:26] <pksato> hdmi converter need some trial and error procedure.
[23:26] <pksato> It is not plug and play. (On rpi)
[23:27] <etonka1> no other device handy, will have access this evening to another laptop whith hdmi to test converter to flatpanel
[23:27] <jrg> i asked in samba. just set up a pi to authenticate using raspbian using an AD on a freenas box
[23:27] <jrg> any way to auto mount the smb home dir to /home/username?
[23:28] <pksato> start setting hdmi_safe=1 and hdmi_force_hotplug=1 on /boot/config.txt
[23:28] <etonka1> ok
[23:28] <pksato> etonka1: http://elinux.org/RPiconfig
[23:30] <etonka1> ty pksato: new to this and am looking for good docs :-)
[23:30] <jrg> does fstab have to be readable by everyone?
[23:31] <jrg> or can i make it 600 for root without issues?
[23:31] <pksato> Other, if save mode works and to get correct resolution, hdmi_drive=1 hdmi_group=2 and hdmi_mode==nn (see on hdmi_group=2 table, on link obove)
[23:31] <pksato> if safe mode...
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[23:32] <etonka1> any pointers to good docs for the pi3 differences from II etc...
[23:32] <etonka1> bluetooth wifi etc
[23:33] <Habbie> wikipedia has a table
[23:33] <pksato> only big differences is what 3 have onboard wifi and bluetooth.
[23:33] <Habbie> pksato, and also the CPU is entirely different
[23:33] <Habbie> pksato, and power was upgraded to accomodate these changes
[23:34] <pksato> minor differences. :)
[23:34] <Habbie> depends on who you ask :)
[23:34] <etonka1> i am starting on a pi3 and am quite impressed so far
[23:35] <pksato> for end user, no differences.
[23:35] <Habbie> pksato, that makes no sense, sorry
[23:35] <pksato> if is a bare-metal programmer, Yes have huge differences.
[23:35] <Habbie> 'end-user' is a meaningless term
[23:35] <etonka1> writing assembly for the pi?
[23:36] <pksato> etonka1: yes.
[23:36] <etonka1> cool
[23:36] <Habbie> or, you know, an end-user wanting to run 64bit software
[23:36] <pksato> not necessary on assembly, low level programing.
[23:36] <Habbie> that assembly is being written for some group of end-users, eventually
[23:37] <pksato> end user is not a good definition. :)
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[23:37] <Habbie> pksato, exactly!
[23:38] <Habbie> i don't write assembly but i'm buying a box of pi3 the day 64 bit raspbian ships
[23:38] <etonka1> speed up those sub-routines , many pc programmers have forgotten how resources (memory clock-cycles) were quite valuable
[23:38] <etonka1> in the day ;-)
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[23:38] <NicoHood> I want to build a network share with my raspi but i get cancer when i see people using smb or ntfs. Since my colleagues are still from the other side I need to consider a way to still let them access the data. is there any way without smb and ntfs?
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[23:39] <etonka1> nfs ?
[23:39] <pksato> NicoHood: cloud server?
[23:39] <Habbie> NicoHood, please mind your language
[23:39] <NicoHood> does nfs work with windows? I do not know as i never use micro$$$$ stuff
[23:39] <Habbie> NicoHood, also smb really does work very well with linux and the pi
[23:39] <etonka1> add on, or some ultimate versions
[23:39] <NicoHood> i heard that smb is too slow
[23:39] <mlelstv> everything is too slow :)
[23:40] <Habbie> smb is often faster than the alternatives
[23:40] <mfa298> for windows users you can use winscp, although that's more a case of copy file to windows, work on it, copy it back
[23:40] <Habbie> but it's still a networked filesystem and you need to respect those limits
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[23:41] <mfa298> smb is the sensible way to share stuff to windows users (and is reasonable for mac and linux users as well). and there's no need for ntfs
[23:41] <pksato> ntfs is a local filesystem.
[23:42] <pksato> smbfs/cifs is a network filesystem.
[23:43] <NicoHood> So i can use an ext4 with smb together?
[23:43] <pksato> Yes
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[23:43] <Habbie> NicoHood, yes
[23:43] <NicoHood> great
[23:43] <pksato> any local filesystem. or even other network filesystem.
[23:43] <mfa298> or pretty much any filesystem (but ext4 is likely the most sensible on linux)
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[23:44] <pksato> but, if need access from outside local network. Dont use smb.
[23:45] <pksato> or other unsafe protocol.
[23:45] <Habbie> smb is unsafe now?
[23:45] <Habbie> other than the recent samba bugs
[23:45] <pksato> to expose to internet, Yes.
[23:46] <NicoHood> smb is made by micro$$$ right? and nfs by sun?
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[23:46] <Habbie> NicoHood, originally, yes
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[23:46] <mfa298> It's probably not too bad to expose a samba server, but I wouldn't rely on it working (the relevant ports regularly get blocked due to the older viruses that hit it)
[23:48] <Habbie> that's a valid point
[23:48] <Habbie> in general i would VPN such things
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[23:50] <mfa298> I'd tend to vpn it as well, not much point having it open globally.
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