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IRC Log for 2016-05-07

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[0:05] <NicoHood> does the pi lcd need a screensaver? I read that a static picture will hurt the display
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[0:06] <CoJaBo> NicoHood: Only for OLED screens
[0:07] <ThePendulum> LCDs in general only get this sort of prelonged ghosting when they get old
[0:07] <ThePendulum> but this generally disappears after a period of time, unlike burn-in
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[0:16] <NicoHood> i am talking about the official lcd
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[0:27] <NicoHood> is it possible to share the whole root with all devices via nfs?
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[0:28] <pwillard> can anyone recommend a particular USB-Ethernet adapter?
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[0:29] <ShorTie> any with linux drivers should work, I get cheapest from ebay
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[0:30] <pksato> avoid software defined ethernet adapter.
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[0:57] <Rukus> pwillard: i have a tronsmart YS-LANRT8152b it has tons support
[0:57] <Rukus> its realtek and usb 2.0
[0:57] <pwillard> ok.
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[0:57] <Rukus> i mean
[0:57] <jrg> alright. managed to get raspbian to login using an AD user and mount the home dir share into /home/username with pam_mount
[0:57] <pwillard> I grabbed a orico and it's problematic.
[0:57] <Rukus> seems popular enough
[0:58] <jrg> kind of nice raspbian throws that stuff into the pam config for you
[0:58] <pwillard> It shows up asn an ASIX
[0:59] <Rukus> pwillard: http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=55&PFid=55&Level=5&Conn=4&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false#RTL8152B(N)
[0:59] <Rukus> if its 8188 it should have drivers available
[1:00] <pwillard> Damn... I plugged it in and it just worked... I had NO hope for this and it was I who failed to have failth
[1:00] <pwillard> faith
[1:00] <Rukus> lol
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[1:00] <Rukus> well then
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[1:01] <pwillard> well, I plugged it into an OLD pi and it didn't work... but then plugged it into my Pi2 and bam... working
[1:02] <Rukus> whatever the old pi is running compared to new pi?
[1:02] <Rukus> pi2*
[1:02] <Phosie> magic
[1:02] <Rukus> dongs
[1:02] <pwillard> no kidding.
[1:03] <pwillard> I thought... damn... bought another piece of junk... you guys made me doubt myself... and magic
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[1:03] <Rukus> lol
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[1:04] <Rukus> i buy cheap stuff too, cuz i just like ot buy just enough and not get caught in that "throw money at it" mentality
[1:04] <pwillard> http://www.amazon.com/ORICO-Converter-Microsoft-Chromebook-Raspberry/dp/B00WG6A4WA
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[1:05] <oq> pwillard: ehhhhhhh why does the title mention gigabit when its only 10/100?
[1:05] <Rukus> lol no kidding
[1:05] <pwillard> Ding ding ding... I started to think they lied
[1:05] <Rukus> its gigabit ready, but usb 2.0 btw
[1:05] <Rukus> lol
[1:05] <oq> you can get a gigabit usb 3 for the same price
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[1:05] <pwillard> made me doubt all
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[1:07] <oq> Rukus: you can still get like 300mbit out of a gigabit adaptor on usb 2
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[1:08] <stiv> milli-gigabit
[1:09] <pwillard> Meh. I care that it just works. It's only for my --> http://obsolescence.wix.com/obsolescence#!pidp-8/cbie which uses a pi Zero (yes, they exist)
[1:10] <oq> I wish the foundation would give us some eta's for the next pi zero batch
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[1:15] <solace> cybr1d, what's up
[1:16] <cybr1d> sup?
[1:18] <solace> cybr1d, query?
[1:18] <cybr1d> Do I know you?
[1:18] <pwillard> Pi Zero is actually perfect for the PDP-8/I replica panel for SIMH
[1:18] <solace> cybr1d, can you see my queries?
[1:19] <Berg> what are the uses best suited to pi zero?
[1:19] <cybr1d> I can't see any. I have my client set that way.
[1:19] <solace> I figured
[1:19] <solace> can you open a query with me so you can see them?
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[1:20] <ali1234> pi zero is ideal for any usage where small size and low power usage are most important, but you still need the flexibility of a full linux OS (as opposed to something like AVR/arduino)
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[1:21] <ali1234> for example and mqtt gateway
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[1:22] <swift110-phone> True
[1:22] <swift110-phone> anyone familiar with the weather os?
[1:23] <Berg> :) cool ali1234
[1:23] <ali1234> so another example is something like an A+
[1:23] <ali1234> those are ideal for making an IP camera
[1:24] <ali1234> the zero would be even better, but of course it does not have a CSI connector
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[1:24] <Berg> hmm
[1:24] <ali1234> the 3A willbe even better when it is released... supposedly it will have the wifi and bluetooth chip
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[1:25] <ali1234> swift110-phone: i'mnot familiar with weathor OS - what is it, what is it for>
[1:25] <Berg> cool
[1:26] <ali1234> Berg: atthe end of the day... when you are designing something, you want a board which has all the features you need and none of the features you dont... otherwise you just waste money
[1:26] <ali1234> and more features == more possible bugs
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[1:26] <Berg> correct
[1:27] <Berg> i have not found a use for a zero around here so im not gona get one
[1:27] <oq> ali1234: I think I'd rather a zero with wifi
[1:27] <ali1234> oq: depends entirely on your project
[1:27] <ali1234> my project... i'm waiting on the 3A... because i need a camera
[1:27] <ali1234> and CSI is so much better than USB
[1:28] <ali1234> you get h264 encoding for free
[1:28] <ali1234> but otoh, i need low power usage... because it's battery operated
[1:28] <ali1234> currently i use an A+ and a model B literally won't fit
[1:29] <ali1234> so i await the 3A because i'll be able to use ubuntu snappy... can't do that on the A+
[1:30] <oq> I need to get around to replacing the ribbon cable on my pi3 with the csi->hdmi->csi adaptor I bought
[1:30] <ali1234> (i want to use snappy because it's an easy way to get a read only root fs)
[1:30] <ali1234> personally... i wouldn't use a CSI cable extension... just put the whole system in the place you want the camera and stream it
[1:31] <ali1234> but as always... depends on the exact project requirements
[1:31] <ali1234> a zero with wifi would be nice though, certainly
[1:31] <ali1234> but a zero with wifi and CSI would be even better
[1:32] <ali1234> the big strength of the SoC is the graphics and multimedia capabilities it has
[1:32] <ali1234> the CPU is kinda weak, even in the 3
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[1:32] <ali1234> it's all about the GPU
[1:35] <oq> a zero with the gpio headers soldered on would be nice too
[1:35] <oq> but probably as an additional version
[1:35] <ali1234> that's not something i would want
[1:35] <ali1234> it's real easy to solder them on
[1:35] <ali1234> but really annoying to remove them
[1:36] <ali1234> i would like to see a minimal usb stick
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[1:37] <ali1234> they made the compute module... but it's not really a compute module as such
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[1:38] <ali1234> it has all the features on an edge connector
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[1:42] <ali1234> "compute" to me implies just a CPU
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[1:45] <martin290> hey everyone
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[1:47] <martin290> im a sql developer and i started using my pi not too long ago. i was wondering what back-end language y'all would recommend for a data driven web app?
[1:48] <oq> ugh "web app"
[1:48] <martin290> lol
[1:48] <stiv> python, he said reflexively
[1:48] <ShorTie> what's our options ??
[1:48] <martin290> um
[1:49] <martin290> i think..... php (i currently have a lamp server setup for it now), rails, php
[1:49] <stiv> especially if you use bottle for the webserver
[1:49] <Berg> cool stiv
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[1:49] <martin290> opps, i meany python, not php as the last one
[1:49] <stiv> Berg, yeah
[1:49] <martin290> so... php, rails, python
[1:49] <martin290> maybe java???
[1:49] <oq> martin290: lamp is a bit much for a pi imho, you'd be better off using nginx over apache
[1:50] <martin290> oq: i wasn't sure how to install nginx so i just used apache lol
[1:50] <martin290> is it relatively easy to setup nginx?
[1:50] <oq> installing nginx is as easy as installing anything else with apt-get
[1:50] <ShorTie> need pi stuff to be lean and mean, it isn't a super computer
[1:50] <martin290> oh, and i was also thinking about node.js
[1:51] <martin290> i just wasn't sure which one would be the.... best/easiest to work with
[1:51] <martin290> i know c# pretty well but i want to move away from closed source/licensing stuff
[1:51] <oq> use whatever you're familiar with
[1:51] <oq> martin290: what about mono?
[1:52] <martin290> will mono work on pi??!!
[1:52] <ali1234> raspbian has everything debian has, which is basically everything any linux server has... just don't expect high performance
[1:52] <oq> presumably
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[1:53] <ali1234> mono will work... microsoft windows specific libs won't, but they won't work on x86 either
[1:53] <martin290> isn't mono pretty heavy though?
[1:53] <oq> ali1234: if its for webdev he wouldn't need windows specific libs surely?
[1:53] <stiv> use what you are familiar with, but dont waste your little cpu & i/o on heavy server stuff
[1:54] <ali1234> mono and java are kind of ehavy
[1:54] <ali1234> but if it is just for development you should be fine
[1:54] <martin290> ok so lets take java and mono out
[1:54] <ali1234> don't expect to use it in production on a pi though
[1:54] <martin290> php, node.js, python
[1:54] <oq> yeah a pi in production would be nonsense
[1:54] <Berg> python should already be there?
[1:54] <martin290> Berg: yup python is there, but not as a web server
[1:54] <Berg> use bottle.py
[1:54] <ali1234> none of the "web" languages are exactly light...
[1:54] <martin290> i've never really used python before, but i heard it's a beautiful language
[1:55] <Berg> its a one file web server
[1:55] <oq> martin290: you should try mono before you discount it
[1:55] <ali1234> that said any language can be fast if you use it right
[1:55] <stiv> a pi in production would be just another industrial controller
[1:55] <Berg> you put the bottle.py file in you folder and god
[1:55] <Berg> go
[1:55] <ali1234> python has a reputation for being very slow but it can perform well if you use the right extensions
[1:56] <stiv> bottle is very nice for a way to put a REST interface on an application
[1:56] <ali1234> javascript is the same
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[1:56] <martin290> well out of the languages i mentioned, besides c#, i know php pretty well
[1:56] <stiv> i've been surprised how beefy the pi is. but it's not a Z Series mainframe. gotta respect the hardware
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[1:57] <ali1234> webdev tends to use frameworks... and the frameworks aren't known for being light
[1:57] <martin290> but i heard about people complaining how hard it is to maintain, i don't want a nightmare at the end of the day, know what i mean?
[1:57] <ali1234> well, php can be a nightmare
[1:57] <ali1234> but that's true anywhere
[1:58] <ali1234> i would say, if you have a specific project in mind, use whatever is the best for that
[1:58] <martin290> i actually do have a specific project in mind
[1:58] <martin290> i just don't know what's "best" lol
[1:58] <ali1234> if you just want to learn something new.. then go right outside your comfort zone
[1:59] <martin290> i know databases really well... web development... not so much
[1:59] <ali1234> you probably want to look in to ORMs then
[1:59] <ali1234> rails, turbogears, django, whatever the php and java ones are... there are probably newer ones too
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[2:00] <martin290> i think i may go with python??
[2:00] <martin290> this is kind of a shot in the dark though
[2:00] <ali1234> python is a fine choice... django is a python web framework
[2:00] <ali1234> there are others
[2:01] <martin290> so many people like the language, and they all can't be wrong... right?
[2:01] <ali1234> depends on personal choice really
[2:01] <ali1234> plenty of people hate python too :)
[2:01] <martin290> lol i haven't heard of those people, yet
[2:02] <ali1234> you;ll meet them eventually if you choose python
[2:02] <martin290> so how easy is it for me to put a python web app online on the pi?
[2:02] <ali1234> but that goes for any language
[2:02] <ali1234> online...?
[2:02] <martin290> let me rephrase
[2:02] <martin290> how easy is it for me to make a python server
[2:02] <martin290> maybe that's how i should say it...
[2:02] <ali1234> it's pretty easy with apache
[2:02] <stiv> python bottle
[2:02] <martin290> i can use apache?!
[2:02] <stiv> tah dah!
[2:02] <martin290> really??
[2:02] <ali1234> but again, i wouldn't put it "online"
[2:03] <martin290> why not?
[2:03] <ali1234> yeah you can use python-wsgi with apache
[2:03] <ali1234> the pi isn't really fast enough to use in production
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[2:03] <martin290> ali1234: how about for proof of concept?
[2:03] <ali1234> but it is great for development and then you can move it to a virtual server easily
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[2:04] <ali1234> many many websites use python, there is plenty of documentation about it
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[2:04] <ali1234> dropbox uses it heavily, at least they used to
[2:04] <martin290> so a lot of servers support python?
[2:04] <ali1234> sure
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[2:05] <martin290> awesome
[2:05] <martin290> so im going to see if i can get python up and running now... is there anything i need to know before I start?
[2:05] <ali1234> hmm... not really in terms of pi specific things
[2:05] <ali1234> what you are doing is the same as it would be on any linux server
[2:06] <martin290> ali1234: should i switch to nginx and remove apache?
[2:06] <ali1234> makes no difference really
[2:06] <ali1234> nginx has a reputation of being very fast
[2:06] <martin290> i like speed :)
[2:06] <ali1234> but anything you write can be easily switched
[2:06] <stiv> i'd run nginx on the pi before apache
[2:06] <ali1234> you don't actually need either of them, as people said, you can use bottle.py
[2:06] <martin290> how hard is it go switch from apache to nginx?
[2:07] <ali1234> python even has a built in webserver
[2:07] <martin290> wait...
[2:07] <martin290> seriously???
[2:07] <ali1234> switching is really easy
[2:07] <ali1234> yes seriously :)
[2:07] <martin290> how do i do that??!!!
[2:07] <martin290> lol
[2:07] <ali1234> how do you do what exactly?
[2:07] <ali1234> start a python webserver?
[2:07] <martin290> exactly
[2:07] <martin290> sorry, im a bit excited now lol
[2:08] <ali1234> well, first you want to get familiar with python
[2:08] <ali1234> you can do it directly from the command line, if you just want to server file
[2:08] <ali1234> but you probably want more than that
[2:08] <JK-47> set this alias if you have python 3. alias pyhttp='python3 -m http.server'
[2:08] <JK-47> when when ever you need to server just type pyhttp
[2:08] <ali1234> with python, there is a standardlibrary class which makes a webserver... you subclass it, and redefine how requests are handled
[2:09] <JK-47> very handy
[2:09] <ali1234> yeah launching a http server like that is handy, but not much use in production
[2:09] <martin290> hrm, sounds interesting
[2:09] <ali1234> for a "real" web app you are going to want to do it "properly" - which is a bit more involved
[2:10] <martin290> properly meaning using nginx?
[2:10] <ali1234> or apache
[2:10] <martin290> i think thats the route i want to go down
[2:10] <ali1234> really what it means though, is to use a framework
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[2:10] <ali1234> such as django
[2:10] <martin290> is it possible to be able to use php and python together?
[2:10] <martin290> on the same server?
[2:10] <ali1234> it's possible yes
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[2:10] <ali1234> but i wouldn't recommend it
[2:10] <martin290> alright
[2:10] <ali1234> they are very different
[2:11] <ali1234> and getting them to cooperate would be ... not fun
[2:11] <martin290> right, i like how in python, everything is an object
[2:11] <martin290> :)
[2:11] <ali1234> careful... not everything is an object
[2:11] <ali1234> like "int" for example
[2:11] <martin290> you can't cast it to an object?
[2:11] <ali1234> no, not really
[2:12] <ali1234> you can make anew object that kind of acts like an int, but not really... and then you go down the rabbit hole
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[2:12] <ali1234> best to just not worry about that kind of thing as a beginner, honestly...
[2:12] <martin290> ok
[2:13] <martin290> ok so im going to remove apache and install nginx, i think thats the first step
[2:13] <ali1234> in dev you won;t see much difference between them
[2:13] <ali1234> nginx shines when you have super heavy load on your website
[2:14] <ali1234> but at that point, you don''t want to run it on a pi at all
[2:14] <oq> ali1234: on a pi though he'd probably notice a difference even for dev
[2:14] <martin290> oq: yeah. that's what i was thinking
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[2:14] <ali1234> maybe
[2:14] <stiv> actually int *is* an object. class int(object)
[2:14] <ali1234> stiv: lol redefining int as an object doesn't make the built in type into an object :)
[2:14] <martin290> ^^
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[2:15] <ali1234> int is unlike a real object in python... you can't assign to it - you just get a new one, for example
[2:15] <stiv> int inherits from object. that snippet was from the help()
[2:15] <stiv> int is a type. an instance of int is an object
[2:16] <martin290> exactly
[2:16] <ali1234> ...okay... but... like i said. rabbit hole
[2:16] <martin290> you can create "custom types" aka classes
[2:16] <martin290> lol
[2:16] <martin290> ok so im going to uninstall apache and install nginx
[2:16] <ali1234> you can, but the built in int type has a tonne of special behaviours which are quite complex to understand, and even subclassing it is a bad idea if you don't know what you are doing
[2:16] <stiv> it's cool that functions are first class object in python
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[2:18] <ali1234> it's generally recommended to use encapsulation rather than subclassing, if you need an object that behaves like an int
[2:18] <stiv> ali1234, true. inheritance is over-rated
[2:18] <ali1234> inheritance is great, and this is, i feel, a weakness of python
[2:19] <ali1234> it makes type enforcement harder than it needs to be
[2:19] <niston> yay
[2:19] <niston> latest project http://imgur.com/QA41xw0&79oI6Sd&G8o2UYw
[2:19] <ali1234> but python in general is all about duck typing
[2:20] <ali1234> so this is at least partially my fault for using the wrong language in the first place
[2:20] <ali1234> very modern python has a bunch of stuff for "sort of" static typing
[2:21] <martin290> i think i remove apache so im installing nginx now
[2:21] <ali1234> a concrete example: try to make a python class which acts exactly like an int, except it raises an exception if you try to assign a value bigger than 100
[2:21] <oq> you've said that like 5 times
[2:21] <martin290> wow, it installed pretty quick
[2:21] <stiv> niston, cool!
[2:22] <ali1234> and make it so that you can use it with regular ints, and it remains as your special type, always
[2:22] <ali1234> this is surprisingly hard to do... surprising to me anyway
[2:22] <ali1234> but of course for your typical webdev, this is all irrelevant
[2:22] <martin290> ali1234: isn't that kind of "event" driven?
[2:22] <ali1234> no
[2:23] <martin290> or something in c# like the get/set properties
[2:23] <ali1234> closer
[2:23] <ali1234> it's like casting in C++
[2:23] <martin290> last time i used c++ was high school lol
[2:23] <ali1234> but in python that's not a thing at all
[2:23] <ali1234> variables don't have a fixed type
[2:23] <ali1234> whatever you assign to it, that's the type it has now
[2:24] <ali1234> so you can't easily say "this variable must always be less than 100 or raise an exception" without explicitly checking it every time
[2:24] <ali1234> in C++ that's easy because it is statically typed
[2:25] <martin290> i thought python blows up if you first assign a number to a variable, then assign a string to the same variable
[2:25] <ali1234> no, not at all
[2:25] <ali1234> it will accept that just fine
[2:25] <ali1234> it blows up if you then try to use the variable as a string
[2:25] <martin290> maybe im thinking of when you concatenate a string and an int
[2:26] <ali1234> it means errors tend to show up much later
[2:26] <ali1234> so it requires more discipline from the coder
[2:26] <martin290> well i dont think python can be as.... strict as c#
[2:27] <ali1234> it doesn't every try to
[2:27] <ali1234> *even
[2:27] <ali1234> still worth learning though
[2:27] <ali1234> pretty much all languages are worth learning
[2:27] <ali1234> even java, but not perl
[2:28] <ali1234> i draw the line at perl :)
[2:28] <martin290> lol
[2:28] <martin290> i dont mind learning new languages, i actually like it
[2:28] <ali1234> then learn as many as you can
[2:29] <martin290> do you know how to change the default port in nginx?
[2:29] <ali1234> then pick a few to really specialize on
[2:29] <ali1234> no idea sorry. it's going to be in like /etc/nginx.conf or something
[2:29] <martin290> i <3 sql :)
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[2:42] <CyberTails> Hi There, I'm trying to setup my Pi to show in Composite, but for whenever I have it plugged in, I get this problem: https://ibin.co/2gHBNr7AIJHT.jpg
[2:43] <jrg> what's the least amount of shared memory that can be given to the gpu?
[2:43] <jrg> can it go down to 4? or less?
[2:43] <CyberTails> Are you taking to me?
[2:43] <CyberTails> talking*
[2:44] <jrg> no
[2:44] <jrg> just a question
[2:44] <CyberTails> Okay sorry
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[2:49] <ali1234> CyberTails: that looks like sync is totally messed up... i'd say you have the wrong type of cable
[2:49] <ali1234> there's like four different writings for trrs cables
[2:49] <ali1234> *wirings
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[2:51] <ali1234> jrg i think the minimum is 16. the firmware won't let you go below the minimum and will just assign more
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[2:56] <CyberTails> Shame, I bought an RCA to Audio Jack thinking it'll work, but whatever I guess
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[2:57] <CyberTails> Time to invest in a Portable HDMI Monitor in the future
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[3:04] <jrg> ali1234: ah ok
[3:04] <[Saint]> CyberTails: the right TRRS 3.5mm --> composite RCA out stereo audio/video cable is like...$5
[3:04] <jrg> i was hoping i could drop it to 1MB or something
[3:04] <jrg> i don't really need the video memory
[3:04] <[Saint]> jrg: nah - no matter how low you et it it'll stick at 16MB min
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[3:04] <jrg> ah ok. too bad. wishful thinking i guess
[3:04] <[Saint]> *set
[3:04] <jrg> i have a 256MB ver
[3:04] <jrg> i was hoping to clear up some ram
[3:06] <[Saint]> Yeah. The GPU is more important to the Pi than people realize, I think.
[3:06] <ali1234> the firmware needs that ram
[3:06] <[Saint]> ^ that
[3:06] <ali1234> yeah the GPU is not just a GPU
[3:06] <ali1234> the pi can't work without it
[3:06] <[Saint]> It's doing a lot more than just "show you graphics you might not use"
[3:06] <[Saint]> You need that ~16MB, or rather, it does.
[3:07] <ali1234> it's not much in the big picture anyway
[3:07] <niston> Hey Mr. Saint
[3:07] <niston> howdy
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[3:08] <[Saint]> jrg: If you're absolutely strung out for RAM the only thing(s) you can really do are:
[3:08] <[Saint]> - increase swap paging
[3:08] <[Saint]> - compress swap and RAM (zswap/zram)
[3:09] <[Saint]> The compression comes with some pretty terrible side effects, though.
[3:09] <jrg> oh i'm sure
[3:09] <jrg> especially on a pi
[3:09] <[Saint]> A powerhouse the early model Pi's are not.
[3:09] <jrg> i'm just using it as a "shell box"
[3:09] <jrg> yah. makes me wish i had a newer version
[3:09] <jrg> or some other similar type of device with a lot more power
[3:09] <[Saint]> But, yeah, since there's no way to actually add RAM to this device that is in any way practical your only real options are zram and zswap.
[3:10] <[Saint]> but they come with questionable benefits and clear side effects.
[3:10] <[Saint]> well, there's a third option, too.
[3:10] <jrg> i didn't even think raspbian gave swap by default
[3:10] <[Saint]> "deal with it" *shrug*
[3:10] <jrg> oh i guess it does
[3:10] <jrg> [Saint]: lol
[3:10] <jrg> didn't even notice it had a 100MB swap
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[3:12] <[Saint]> the swappiness is set fairly aggressively, too, from memory.
[3:13] <[Saint]> I suspected you would've had swap otherwise you almost certainly would've encountered aggressive paging long ago and started seeing the allocating process get killed off abruptly.
[3:13] <jrg> well.. let me hit the ram hard and see what happens
[3:13] <[Saint]> just do 'cat /proc/sys/vm/swappiness'
[3:14] <[Saint]> from memory it's like 90 or so.
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[3:15] <[Saint]> which is basically 'try really really really damn hard to page things out as fast as we can'
[3:16] <jrg> i pretty much have a linux torrent downloading with a ton of peers using rtorrent going to a smb share
[3:16] <jrg> i have the pi set up for AD authentication against a freenas dc
[3:16] <jrg> with pam_mount mounting the home dir for users
[3:16] <[Saint]> Ohhhh God I bet that's painful.
[3:16] <jrg> actually no. it's holding up a lot better than i thought it was lol
[3:16] <jrg> *would
[3:16] <[Saint]> Hmmm.
[3:17] <jrg> kworker seems to be abusing the cpu now tho
[3:18] <jrg> 6191 root 20 0 0 0 0 R 33.0 0.0 1:14.47 kworker/u2:2
[3:18] <[Saint]> not entirely surprising.
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[3:18] <jrg> i have it set to 1500KB/s ... not really getting it tho
[3:18] <[Saint]> there'll be a lot of IO happening in your use case.
[3:18] <jrg> it has to do a lot of work
[3:18] <jrg> yah lol
[3:18] <[Saint]> and, no, you won't get that.
[3:18] <jrg> too much for a pi
[3:18] <jrg> yah. looks like 1.2MB is the fastest i can get
[3:19] <jrg> is that some sort of bus limit?
[3:19] <[Saint]> the ethernet controller and USB share a single USB 2 bus.
[3:19] <[Saint]> so the faster you hit network, the more IO suffers, and vice versa.
[3:20] <jrg> well. the usb isn't really doing much other than the ethernet. i have it in a back room running headless with just a network cable hooked into it
[3:20] <[Saint]> oh - you're actually running / off the sdcard? Interesting.
[3:20] <jrg> but it has to be screaming due to the network activity compounded with running a torrent on it
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[3:21] <jrg> yah. the SD card is running the system.. but the home dirs are mounted via samba
[3:21] <jrg> using pam_mount after domain users are authenticated their dirs get mounted into /home/user
[3:21] <jrg> wanted to see if a pi was the little box that could heh
[3:21] <jrg> i bet the newer models scream compared to this one
[3:22] <[Saint]> Even keeping the aforementioned USB limitation in mind, I still find USB / to be infinitely more reliable.
[3:22] <jrg> oh yeah guess the SD is on the bus too
[3:22] <jrg> forgot about that
[3:22] <[Saint]> I do have a copy of the / partition on the sdcard, but it gets pivioted over to USB immediately at boot.
[3:23] <jrg> i wish there was something similar to this pi that had a bsd distro and 2 SD slots
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[3:23] <jrg> so i could mirror the boot drive with zfs
[3:23] <[Saint]> I just find that USB thumbdrives seem to be more reliable, as long as it isn't fake $2 ali-express horror crap.
[3:23] <jrg> yah. my fnas box has 2 cruzer fits
[3:23] <jrg> mirrored as boot drives
[3:24] <jrg> love zfs. hope this ubuntu thing with the gpl vs cddl works out in everybody's favor and linux distros just start including it in their kernel builds
[3:24] <[Saint]> heh - I was using SanDisk Cruzer Blade 128GB nano-dongles in my deployments.
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[3:24] <[Saint]> They used to be Microsoft Windows 10 promotional install "disks"
[3:24] <oq> those usb 3 cruzer ones seem to get overly hot even idle
[3:24] <[Saint]> I got about 30 of them...so.
[3:24] <jrg> yah i just have 2 16GB drives in the fnas box. i was glad that fbsd finally supported usb3 :/
[3:25] <jrg> oq: mine have been holding up
[3:25] <jrg> but then again they are mostly idle
[3:25] <jrg> but i haven't noticed any ridiculous amount of heat coming off them
[3:26] <jrg> [Saint]: lol
[3:26] <oq> not hot enough to melt the casing of course but it's probably shortening the lifespan of the chip
[3:26] <[Saint]> These days, where I was using a Pi for everything (about two dozen deployments in my greater network), I now use an ODROID XU4.
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[3:27] <jrg> [Saint]: the newer pi is probably a lot better. the only thing that scares me with the pi is the SD dying on me
[3:27] <jrg> with no redundancy heh
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[3:27] <jrg> i mean i can dd it to a file to save it but still... not a big fan of that
[3:28] <[Saint]> I take a different track, there, though. They've just got a bigass 2TB USB2 external disk (but it's all in a case, so, internal really), two wireness N dongles, a 128GB UHS-II sdcard (board can only do UHS-I, but, whatevs) and the 64GB eMMC dongle actually running the show.
[3:28] <oq> jrg: there is a utility that can shrink the dd images and resize them when you reimage them
[3:28] <oq> it just takes unexpands the filesystem
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[3:28] <jrg> ah i think i know what i did wrong with rtorrent
[3:28] <jrg> too many peers heh
[3:29] <jrg> oq: i'm using a 4GB SD in the pi now
[3:29] <[Saint]> I break out the remaining USB3 port, the picoPSU barrel jack, full-size HDMI, 3.5mm audio, and ethernet to the exterior of the project boxes I got made and called it a day.
[3:30] <[Saint]> everything is stuffed inside the rather faceless black box so the client can just put it somewhere unobtrusive and forget about it.
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[3:31] <[Saint]> all the connectors are poking out one end, too, because a media/NAS box with wires poking out every side of it like a retarded looking electrical octopus is a disgusting sight and all my clients hated it.
[3:31] <[Saint]> for good reason.
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[3:32] <jrg> lol. rtorrent checking a hash :)
[3:32] * jrg goes to read the entire old testament
[3:32] <ShorTie> that is discrimination against electrical octopus
[3:32] <[Saint]> The XU4 is a really neat little board. More initial cost if you use the eMMC module (which you ABSOLUTELY should), but...damn.
[3:32] <[Saint]> Nice boards.
[3:32] <[Saint]> I rant about them far too much, but, they're just so...nice.
[3:33] <jrg> [Saint]: hahaha
[3:34] <jrg> i never went that route... you can make a really neat looking nas
[3:34] <jrg> without all the ridiculous cabling
[3:34] <jrg> 2248 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 33.8 0.0 5:48.05 cifsd
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[3:36] <[Saint]> That's exactly what I did. A bunch of personal NAS/wireless extender/thinclient/shared storage portal/media server boxes for my clients, that also do (optional) an anonymizing WiFi APand (optional) strong encryption.
[3:38] <[Saint]> Basically I pump out far too much wattage of wireless to be healthy for any one person, probably, and about two dozen households around my immediate area pay me whatever they please a month (suggested donation $10/mo) as a donation towards all they can eat wireless and the aforementioned benefits.
[3:38] <oq> healthy?
[3:39] <[Saint]> I've been doing it for years now, so at this point even if they walk off with the hardware and disappear they basically already paid for it anyway.
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[3:39] <jrg> well... i haven't had good luck with wifi on the pi
[3:40] <jrg> but then again i have some direct from china adapters that happen to be supported so i shouldn't have expected much
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[3:41] <[Saint]> I got a bunch of 300Mbps TP-Link dongles for about $12 each in bulk.
[3:41] <jrg> well i guess i'll ride it out witht he pi for a bit as a shell box... seems to be holding up rather well... other than the cifs xfers taking forever... but once it gets there then it isn't a big deal. i guess 1.3MB/s off the wan isnt too bad
[3:41] <jrg> my wan is only 20mbit anyways
[3:41] <[Saint]> I think it worked out to around $10 or $12 NZD per unit after shipping.
[3:41] <oq> is the wifi on the pi3 supposed to max out on 72mbps?
[3:41] <[Saint]> I did buy 60 of them...
[3:41] <jrg> oq: i know the adapter i had sucked badly lol
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[3:42] <jrg> i had to drop plex streaming down to 1990s quality
[3:42] <[Saint]> I believe he means the dedicated wireless on the Pi3
[3:42] <jrg> the pi holds up well enough tho for 1080p mkvs with dts with a slight overclock
[3:42] <jrg> oh
[3:43] <[Saint]> heh https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/4i62wx/crushing_gummy_bears_with_hydraulic_press/
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[3:44] <[Saint]> 'it kood at-ack at any toyme, ve muss deel vit eeet'
[3:44] <oq> I couldn't get it to use my 40mhz channel width
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[3:45] <jrg> yah looks like rtorrent maxes at 1200KB/s
[3:45] <jrg> around there
[3:45] <[Saint]> about what I'd expect.
[3:47] <jrg> yeah i tried to tweak it a bit to see if i can push it faster. but not really
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[3:47] <[Saint]> from my server, very well seeded torrents tend to sit at anywhere around 50~80MB/s
[3:47] <[Saint]> I just stream everything these days.
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[3:48] <jrg> my wan is only 20mbit
[3:48] <jrg> so i will live with that heh.. i'm a patient person
[3:48] <[Saint]> There isn't a heck of a lot of content that I want to consume that I can't find in decent quality from a streaming resource if I try hard enough.
[3:49] <[Saint]> ah, well, 20mbit is still pretty far from terrible.
[3:49] <oq> [Saint]: I hate streaming because content companies are so fond of pulling rights away nowadays, just look at how many shows are disappearing from netflix without any notice
[3:49] <jrg> it's fine. i'm not in that big of a rush
[3:49] <jrg> business rates are a bit high
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[3:50] <[Saint]> oq: Oh...I don't particularly care for any legitimate streaming services, outside of say, Google Music/YouTube Red and occasionally Netflix.
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[3:50] <jrg> is there some ncurses based thing to watch network speed?
[3:50] <[Saint]> There's a lot of other options that are plenty viable once suited with a decent adblocker.
[3:51] <jrg> like nettop or something? heh
[3:51] <shiftplusone> Off the top of my head, iptraf-ng. 'slurm' comes to mind, but I don't remember what it is.
[3:51] <oq> bwm-ng?
[3:52] <jrg> [Saint]: i use pfblockerng for ad blocking
[3:52] <[Saint]> There's a very clear benefit towards me streaming everything here in NZ as the legality of it is pretty plain and simple.
[3:52] <[Saint]> I can stream whatever I want with impunity, basically.
[3:52] <jrg> talk about great. if anything just because it stops at the router/firewall.. so when i use my vpn all ads are blocked on my iphone as well
[3:52] <[Saint]> Torrent it? ...naughty naughty.
[3:52] <jrg> including app ads :)
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[3:52] <[Saint]> yeah - I do all my adblocking rules at the firewall level here too.
[3:53] <[Saint]> less screwing around, everything behind it 'just works'.
[3:54] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: Sure you do!
[3:54] <[Saint]> https://i.imgur.com/cGga3f6.png
[3:55] <[Saint]> "Slurms MacKenzie says, enjoy delicious Slurm!"
[3:55] <shiftplusone> yes, that came to mind first, but I think there's a bandwidth monitor thingy by the same name... maybe it's just a similar name and futurama is messing with my memory
[3:56] <[Saint]> Party on Slurms!
[3:56] <[Saint]> also - yes, there is.
[3:56] <[Saint]> https://github.com/mattthias/slurm
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[3:59] <Berg> ill have to monitor the progress
[3:59] <Berg> hehehe
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[4:10] <jrg> [Saint]: any reason for the 1.2MB cap? just an io issue?
[4:11] <[Saint]> probably hitting your limits of IO? Yeah, I guess.
[4:11] <jrg> althoguh i'm sure a lot of owrk is getting done by it downloading, moving to a cifs share, confirming the write, then moving on
[4:12] <jrg> yeah heh. guess i'm pushing this little thing pretty hard
[4:12] <jrg> top - 21:12:23 up 4:55, 3 users, load average: 3.04, 2.68, 2.69
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[4:13] <jrg> kworker dying right now
[4:13] <jrg> someone needs to rename that to kslave
[4:14] <jrg> cifsd is eating up a lot too considering it's moving rather slowly
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[4:32] <Zardoz> not to shabby 11 bucks for a 32 GB evo+
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[4:55] <exonormal> kinda hard to find 11 bucks in a confined area...
[4:57] <[Saint]> wut?
[4:57] <exonormal> 11 male deer...
[4:57] <Crom> as long as it's not mating season, buck taste fine
[4:57] <exonormal> true
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[4:58] <Zardoz> thats how we do it here in Texas.
[4:59] <exonormal> lol.. thot it was long horns
[5:00] <Zardoz> Thats East Texas.
[5:00] <niston> hey exo :)
[5:00] <exonormal> anyone seen the new one tube sound hat for the pi B-3?
[5:00] <Zardoz> yeah I have
[5:00] <niston> yeah
[5:00] <exonormal> hello, niston
[5:00] <exonormal> cool eh?
[5:00] <niston> exo: http://imgur.com/QA41xw0&79oI6Sd&G8o2UYw :D
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[5:00] <niston> well yeah
[5:01] <niston> nice gimmick
[5:01] <exonormal> clean sound
[5:01] <Zardoz> looks cool, but...
[5:01] <[Saint]> No.
[5:01] <[Saint]> Quite the opposite.
[5:01] <[Saint]> /unclean/ sound.
[5:01] <niston> tube sound :)
[5:02] <[Saint]> Its the unpredictability of tubes that audiophiles want and call 'warmth'.
[5:02] <niston> not that i'd want it though :P
[5:02] <exonormal> yup, seen that, niston... nice setup
[5:02] <Zardoz> but it has a tube. :P
[5:02] <[Saint]> No. It's plain silly.
[5:02] <Zardoz> lol
[5:02] <shauno> it has to go through a dac anyway. tube just gains that extra bit of distortion
[5:02] <[Saint]> We moved away from tubes for a reason.
[5:02] <Zardoz> but tube
[5:02] <niston> exonormal: but I wired it all up!
[5:02] <niston> you didnt see that yet :P
[5:02] <exonormal> congrats, niston.. yes I seen it
[5:02] <pcmerc> looks tight
[5:03] <niston> heh :P
[5:03] <Zardoz> [Saint]: not really we still have youtube :P (ducks)
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[5:03] <[Saint]> Oy...
[5:03] <pcmerc> lol
[5:04] <Sonny_Jim> tube = expspensive, needed wsrning up, out spec wereint great and abut 10z sice/price of a transistor
[5:04] <[Saint]> Yeah. There's a laundry list of reasons why we don't use tubes anymore.
[5:05] <Sonny_Jim> Rusaians sull jus them in radar asaki
[5:05] <[Saint]> Outside of niche amps for audiophiles.
[5:05] <Zardoz> about the only thing is some audio applacations...
[5:06] <Zardoz> but that is not one of them
[5:06] <Zardoz> just gimmik
[5:06] <Sonny_Jim> Also hard to make a trisitor handle te sane voltages as a tube
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[5:06] <[Saint]> ...ish.
[5:06] <[Saint]> not really these days.
[5:07] <Sonny_Jim> tl;dr Pople like siney, even if tey ave godbs of TD
[5:07] <Sonny_Jim> *THD
[5:07] <Zardoz> THX? lol
[5:07] <Zardoz> ducks
[5:07] <Zardoz> duck goose!
[5:08] <[Saint]> True Harmonic Extortion.
[5:08] <Sonny_Jim> also EMP resilienece grumblre grubmle
[5:08] <jrg> hm
[5:08] <Zardoz> what does bigclive have to say about valves?
[5:08] <jrg> does cifs do "local" xfers when you cp on the same share if it's mounted in raspbian?
[5:08] <Zardoz> I bet he links as the have a nice glow to them... :P
[5:09] <jrg> oh i guess not :/
[5:09] <Zardoz> hey Have a dd question. can you clone sd card to sdcard?
[5:10] <jrg> it looks like doing a cp on a cifs/smb mount actually requires the nic to do it?
[5:10] <jrg> it doesn't do it dir to dir .. i thought samba did this
[5:10] <aZz7eCh> Zardoz you can, but ... do what i did .... win32diskimager that s**t.
[5:11] <Zardoz> yeah, but I dont want to turn on the dirty PC
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[5:11] <aZz7eCh> unetbootin is a gui simliar program for linux
[5:12] <pcmerc> or use dd
[5:12] <pcmerc> wtf
[5:12] <aZz7eCh> else yes... probably quickest to work out how to dd
[5:12] <Zardoz> lol
[5:12] <Zardoz> pcmerc: thats what I am asking :P
[5:12] <Zardoz> I will need to figuare it out...
[5:13] <aZz7eCh> or win32diskimage that s**t
[5:13] <aZz7eCh> :P
[5:13] <aZz7eCh> hence i suggested
[5:13] <Zardoz> haha
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[5:14] <exonormal> or you can buy one already imnaged
[5:15] <Zardoz> no, I just want to clone what I have to the new card. so I dont have to set it all back up.
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[5:16] <jrg> durant ruined mothers day for any other nba player
[5:16] <jrg> with that "you're the real mvp" speech
[5:16] <Zardoz> but I hear win32diskimage that s**t :P
[5:16] <aZz7eCh> ^ great idea
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[6:28] <[Saint]> This is fairly awesome:
[6:28] <[Saint]> http://femurdesign.com/theremin/
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[6:29] <[Saint]> works best on touchscreen.
[6:30] <[Saint]> once you get some loops going it gets pretty nuts.
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[6:39] <Crom> well I got in my ESp8266's LoLin boards
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[6:43] <techkid6> Fun question of the day, trying to use mpg123 and I'm told no server is found (running Raspbian Jessie on a Pi 2), anything I can do to fix that
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[6:44] <[Saint]> You need to be a _whole_ lot more specific hun.
[6:44] <techkid6> I'm grabbing logs
[6:44] <techkid6> essentiallyt, I run `mpg123 testfile.mp3` and it starts whining about no JACK server, dumping a lot of info into console
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[6:45] <techkid6> then it complains that it can't allocate memory... *facepalm*
[6:45] <[Saint]> first obvious question - is jack installed and configured?
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[6:46] <techkid6> I didn
[6:46] <[Saint]> I think it's jackd is debian.
[6:46] <[Saint]> *in
[6:46] <techkid6> it is installed
[6:46] <techkid6> https://gist.github.com/techkid6/07797ae3fd74b29e98f24107152c6927
[6:46] <techkid6> it just isn't starting because it can't allocate memory it seems
[6:47] <[Saint]> all that seems to be a follow on cause from alsa_pcm failing.
[6:48] <[Saint]> hmmm.
[6:48] <techkid6> alsamixer says therre is no mixer, if that helps
[6:50] <[Saint]> aha - "creating alsa driver ... hw:0|hw:0|1024|2|48000|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit" I have a feeling this is important.
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[6:50] <[Saint]> 32bit 48khz is basically madness.
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[6:51] <techkid6> I was hoping it would be as easy as moving things from my ubuntu vm to the pi, looks like I was a bit mistaken :P
[6:52] <techkid6> I got alsamixer working now, still no budge on mpg123 though
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[6:53] <techkid6> https://gist.github.com/techkid6/c908120ca80a9363b2b55a7b78729b17
[6:54] <techkid6> whoops, my b
[6:55] <techkid6> It is a permissions thing. it has to be. my other user works, this one doesn't
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[6:56] <[Saint]> have you tried seeing if you have the correct out device for jack setup? I'm gonna go ahead and guess that "hw:0" not existing is critically important.
[6:57] <[Saint]> I think qjackctl is your friend here.
[6:57] <techkid6> [Saint]: That is the weird thing, but now it works on my other account
[6:57] <techkid6> it works on pi, not on the other account whose name i redacted in the logfile
[6:58] <[Saint]> I'm also fairly confident that you'll be wanting to drop down to 16/44.1
[6:58] <techkid6> right on that tho
[6:58] <[Saint]> 32/48 is just plain silly unless you're mastering major motion pictures. :)
[6:58] <techkid6> qjackctl cannot connect to X server
[6:58] <[Saint]> Oy...
[6:58] <techkid6> that could do it, innit
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[7:00] <[Saint]> Yeah, sorry, I'm not entirely familiar with jackd.
[7:01] <[Saint]> ALSA only marginally so.
[7:01] <techkid6> .... *facepalm*
[7:01] <techkid6> it was because of my virtualenv
[7:01] <[Saint]> Ahhhhh.
[7:01] <techkid6> Sorry about that
[7:01] <techkid6> I'm going to go sit in the corner
[7:01] <techkid6> and think about what I did
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[7:02] <techkid6> thanks for the help, [Saint]
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[7:03] <[Saint]> Not a problem. If it helps any I spent about an hour earlier wondering why nothing in my environment was how I expected it to be before realizing that I was in a really deep nested screen session.
[7:05] <techkid6> [Saint]: I've done simililar, also sshing into a box im sshing from.
[7:05] <Gathis> is there any specific free VNC tool which anyone here would recommend for connecting to raspbian from a windoze system ?
[7:06] <[Saint]> techkid6: I've often sat down and then realized that I immediately ssh'ed into _the machine I'm sitting at_.
[7:06] <[Saint]> Habit, lol.
[7:06] <Gathis> :)
[7:06] <techkid6> [Saint]: I have yet to do *that*! But I'll remember you when I innevitably do!
[7:06] <[Saint]> :)
[7:07] <[Saint]> Gathis: I'm a fan of tightVNC
[7:07] <[Saint]> crossplatform, FOSS, good magic.
[7:08] <Gathis> ok Saint, thnx, i've looked at that in the past, so.. i'll try that :)
[7:08] <Gathis> looked at that, and several others, but never tried.
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[8:11] <niston> gordonDrogon, I think I found a bug in wiringPi?
[8:11] <niston> namely, read does not work with piface2 board
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[8:12] <niston> reading the input pins, pin 0 always is 1, rest of pins are always zero. output latch reading seems to work however.
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[11:08] <Chunkyz-ZNC> lmao my mom paid £1 for a 6600mah battery dual power bank! should run my pi2/3/zero great!
[11:08] <artige> you could always get
[11:08] <artige> a sketchy 11000mah power bank
[11:08] <artige> from aliexpress
[11:08] <artige> for like $5
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[11:12] <Chunkyz-ZNC> nah, this one's a good one. :)
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[11:17] <Hypnotizes> anyone succeed to use pi zero as usb gadget?
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[11:29] <Chunkyz-ZNC> Hypnotizes, gotta get zero first :p
[11:31] <Hypnotizes> ahaha Chunkyz-ZNC i have
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[11:42] <Chunkyz-ZNC> still waiting for it to be in stock Hypnotizes :(
[11:43] <Hypnotizes> I know that feeling Chunkyz-ZNC, had to wait 5 months
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[12:16] <Encrypt> http://classicprogrammerpaintings.com/ -- Classic Programmer Paintings
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[13:13] <AnonRecluse13> hey guys
[13:13] <AnonRecluse13> do any of you use Slackware on the Raspberry Pi 3?
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[13:17] <Encrypt> Nope
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[13:26] <Habbie> AnonRecluse13, did you have a specific question about it?
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[13:30] <AnonRecluse13> no thank you, just found an answer.
[13:30] <Habbie> ok!
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[14:08] <EvilDMP> I'm running jupyter notebook on my raspberry pi; I can access it with a browser on the pi, but not from my MacBook - raspberrypi.local:8888 simply comes up with nothing, and 192.168.0.5:8888 (the correct IP address) reports a "can't connect to the server" error
[14:08] <EvilDMP> any suggestions?
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[14:20] <Encrypt> EvilDMP, It is probably only listening on localhost
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[14:21] <Encrypt> http://laserplasma.ninja/2015/10/16/jupyter-ipython-notebook-on-a-remote-server-tldr/
[14:21] <Encrypt> If not, the best way is to establish an ssh-tunnel: ssh username@address_of_remote -L127.0.0.1:3129:127.0.0.1:9999
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[14:22] <tommy``> guys if i want get +5V can i use pin 2 or 4 right?
[14:23] <EvilDMP> Encrypt: thanks! that did the trick
[14:23] <Encrypt> You're welcome :)
[14:23] <EvilDMP> Encrypt: I ran it with jupyter notebook --ip=192.168.0.5
[14:24] <Encrypt> tommy``, Yep, apparently: http://www.instructables.com/files/orig/FN1/YEKZ/HN824U1E/FN1YEKZHN824U1E.jpg
[14:24] <tommy``> ok this is strange, i'm trying to give +5V to a breadboard using that pin but doesnt work
[14:25] <Encrypt> tommy``, Are you using the same ground too?
[14:25] <tommy``> ground is on 14
[14:26] <Encrypt> Maybe your wire is broken inside then :D
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[14:26] <Encrypt> #1 problem in electronics
[14:27] <tommy``> i've to rebook raspberry ?
[14:27] <tommy``> or dont need
[14:27] <Encrypt> You shouldn't
[14:27] <tommy``> ok
[14:27] <Encrypt> It's normally directly connected to the 5V line
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[14:29] <EvilDMP> In a terminal shell, I need to prefix invocations of Python scripts with "DISPLAY=:0" to get them to use the 7" display correctly - for example: DISPLAY=:0 python pygame_example.py. I'm playing with the same code now in an interpreter (jupyter, if it makes any difference but I am not sure it does) - how and where should I specify DISPLAY=:0?
[14:31] <tommy``> Encrypt, done i've inverted the board scheme :D
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[14:31] <Encrypt> XD
[14:32] <EvilDMP> it looks like doing DISPLAY=:0 jupyter notebook will do the trick, but is there some way to put the DISPLAY=:0 into the notebook Python code itself?
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[14:32] <Encrypt> I don't think so
[14:32] <gordonDrogon> EvilDMP, see if there is a PYthon setenv() function which you can use before you start up the display code.
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[14:33] <Encrypt> Or maybe you could try a kind of "system(export DISPLAY:=0)"
[14:33] <Encrypt> Yeah, what gordonDrogon suggested :D
[14:33] <EvilDMP> gordonDrogon, Encrypt : thanks, I will look into both of those
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[14:43] <Zardoz> Arch sure makes it hard to setup and get running.
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[14:53] <Rukus> should the pi support DTS passthrough to TV?
[14:53] <Rukus> or is that only if the TV supports DTS passthrough? if so... any work around?
[14:54] <Zardoz> in kodi?
[14:54] <Rukus> yeah sorry
[14:54] <Rukus> i know this isnt the kodi help
[14:54] <Zardoz> dont know if they added support for it yet
[14:54] <Zardoz> it did not at first
[14:54] <Rukus> well kodi hasa checkbox for dts passthrough and its enabl;ed
[14:55] <Rukus> i am thinking its my tv's fault
[14:55] <Zardoz> TV or AV resever soes have to supput the passthru
[14:55] <Rukus> the TV will do DD passthrough, no DTS tho
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[14:55] <Zardoz> yeah then TV
[14:55] <Rukus> i even set to ignore edid, and allow all audio formats in config.txt
[14:55] <Zardoz> has to support the passthru
[14:56] <Rukus> yeh
[14:56] <Rukus> i dont have the hardware to test anymore, but i "think" i remember DTS passthrough working on an android box (ugh) i used to own...
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[14:57] <Rukus> but that doesnt sound likely anyway. I guess the pi3 is powerful enough to transcode anyway... so i do have a workaround
[14:58] <Rukus> another option would be for me to add a USB soundcard, or maybe there is some gpio option
[14:58] <Zardoz> you should be anle to output PCM
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[14:59] <Zardoz> able*
[14:59] <Rukus> i can pcm 2.0 only
[14:59] <Rukus> over spdif
[14:59] <Zardoz> mmm
[14:59] <Zardoz> I guess I had more capablitly on my AV
[15:00] <Rukus> yeah, some of this is my own fault for having an older receiver
[15:00] <Rukus> that only supports 3 formats
[15:00] <Rukus> pcm 2.0, DTS and DD
[15:00] <Zardoz> prolly need to look at USB audio
[15:00] <Rukus> afaik
[15:00] <Rukus> yeh
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[15:01] <Rukus> my amp has optical and the rca spdif
[15:02] <Rukus> whatever thats called
[15:02] <Zardoz> or try and find a nicer AV amp :P
[15:02] <Zardoz> coax
[15:02] <Rukus> yeah, :) i think thats the answer
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[15:02] <Rukus> yeah coax
[15:02] <Rukus> its 7am here
[15:02] <Zardoz> 8 here lol
[15:02] <Rukus> my son woke me up, he fell asleep again, i could not lol
[15:02] <Zardoz> haha
[15:03] <Rukus> hes lucky he is adorable (at least i think so)
[15:03] <Rukus> ;P
[15:03] <Zardoz> how old is your son?
[15:03] <Rukus> 14 months
[15:03] <Zardoz> oh still a baby
[15:04] <Rukus> yeh
[15:04] <Zardoz> your first one?
[15:04] <Rukus> yeah
[15:05] <Zardoz> lol. wait till he starts walking :P
[15:05] <Rukus> oh man
[15:05] <Rukus> xD
[15:05] <Zardoz> and getting into things ahaah
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[15:05] <Rukus> he does whatever daddy does
[15:06] <Zardoz> just remeber you dont hear him, he is into somthing.,
[15:06] <Rukus> like "look daddy, i use your laptop too" and mashes the keyboard, and tries to plug in usb cables
[15:06] <Rukus> haha yup
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[15:11] <tommy``> guys i've measured the voltage to the pin 2 and 6 and it says +4,20V
[15:11] <tommy``> why?
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[15:11] <mlelstv> "voltage to the pin" ?
[15:11] <tommy``> it seems that +5V dont give 5v
[15:12] <mlelstv> at 4.2V the RPI shouldn't even run.
[15:12] <tommy``> the pi2 is running now
[15:14] <mlelstv> anything connected?
[15:14] <tommy``> ethernet
[15:14] <mlelstv> then something is wrong with the measurement
[15:14] <tommy``> i gave power to the pi2 with usb
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[15:15] <mlelstv> try to measure on the usb (power) connector
[15:15] <Rukus> yeah i'd go right to the source
[15:16] <Zardoz> how are you mesuring?
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[15:16] <tommy``> i put red pin on multimeter on +5v pin 2, and black on GNd pin 6
[15:16] <tommy``> of*
[15:17] <Zardoz> ok, just checking :P
[15:17] <tommy``> 4,25 now
[15:17] <tommy``> stable
[15:18] <tommy``> how can i measure the usb?
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[15:25] <Rukus> tommy``: If you mean the usb power, find which pins on the connector are gnd/vcc and do the same
[15:25] <tommy``> they are very small :D
[15:25] <Rukus> lol yeah, i dont have a solution for that xD
[15:26] <Rukus> should be the two outer pins anyway iirc
[15:26] <Rukus> the inner pins are usually for data purposes, again, iirc
[15:27] <tommy``> there is "pintest" command?
[15:27] <Rukus> i'm probably about as good at this ae you are, sorry :P
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[15:27] <Rukus> ae as*
[15:27] <shaffl> Hi, I'm reading about power supply requirements for the pi here: https://www.raspberrypi.org/help/faqs/#powerReqs. There's a table with the column named "Maximum total USB peripheral current draw". Does this value refer to the maximum current draw of *one single* usb port, or to the maximum total *shared* by all the USB ports? Thanks for helping!
[15:27] <Rukus> because there are 5 pins, not 4 xD
[15:28] <Rukus> i dont know lol
[15:28] <tommy``> http://pinouts.ru/PortableDevices/micro_usb_pinout.shtml
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[15:28] <ThePendulum> damn, can't get my level shifter to work anymore :/
[15:29] <Habbie> shaffl, total
[15:29] <mlelstv> http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/33164/my-pi2-wont-boot-how-do-i-check-measure-the-voltage-on-a-pi2
[15:29] <Rukus> tommy``: nice thanks
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[15:30] <mlelstv> this shows the test points to measure voltage from power supply
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[15:31] <shaffl> Habbie: Thanks for the reply. So, for example, the Raspberry Pi 3 has a maximum of 1.2A shared between all the 4 USB ports, right?
[15:31] <Rukus> mlelstv: better info thanks
[15:31] <Habbie> shaffl, as i understand it, yes
[15:31] <tommy``> measured
[15:31] <tommy``> from usb
[15:31] <tommy``> it said 4.25
[15:32] <Rukus> so its your cable / power supply perhaps
[15:32] <tommy``> .35*
[15:32] <Zardoz> I am going to say it's the hub
[15:32] <Zardoz> most like
[15:33] <tommy``> no it's connected directly to the usb front ports
[15:33] <Zardoz> what USB hub is it??
[15:33] <tommy``> arduino is 4.82v measured now
[15:33] <Zardoz> most USB hubs are really bad
[15:33] <shaffl> Habbie: I mean: one could connect one single USB peripheral that is known to draw almost 1.2A, and expect it to work normally
[15:34] <Habbie> shaffl, yes - but read the text below the table
[15:34] <shaffl> Habbie: yes, I read it :)
[15:34] <tommy``> detaching ethernet cable don't change anything
[15:34] <tommy``> sh*t!
[15:34] <Rukus> i assumed this whole time that each usb port would supply 500ma.... but i guess that doesnt make sense
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[15:35] <tommy``> can i measure directly the pc usb port?
[15:35] <ThePendulum> weird, the adafruit guide says to connect the Output Enable pin to the grounds, but it only works when connected to the 5V
[15:35] <shaffl> Habbie: thank you very much!
[15:36] <Rukus> tommy, you can always follow the path of power and measure that
[15:36] <Zardoz> ThePendulum: sounds almost like a trigger
[15:36] <Rukus> you just need the right pinouts
[15:37] <tommy``> ok let's see the usb ports
[15:39] <tommy``> usb pc port is 4.95v
[15:39] <Rukus> your pc is the problem.... is it oldeR?
[15:39] <Rukus> oh wait
[15:39] <Rukus> i read that wrong
[15:39] <Rukus> sorry
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[15:40] <Rukus> 4.95 is ok
[15:40] <mfa298> tommy``: which Pi and whats the PSU ?
[15:40] <tommy``> Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6600 @ 2.40GHz, 2394MHz L2: 4MB (24% Load)
[15:40] <tommy``> pi2 mfa298
[15:40] <Rukus> wait, tommy`` are you powering your pi from the pc right?
[15:40] <tommy``> yes Rukus
[15:40] <Zardoz> wow the cable dropping that much?
[15:40] <Rukus> tommy``: try a different cable. thats only option. not all cables are created equally
[15:41] <mfa298> I'm not sure a PC USB port will necessarily supply enough power, you'll potentially limted to 500mA which may not be enough for a Pi2
[15:41] <mfa298> the few times I tried a Pi1 from a PC USB port I had mixed success
[15:41] <ThePendulum> WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW smoke
[15:41] <ThePendulum> oops
[15:41] <tommy``> mfa298 the pi2 works with that port, but only pi2 don't give me enough juice
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[15:41] <Zardoz> mfa298: yeah most PC ports only output 500ma way to low for pi2
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[15:41] <Rukus> maybe he is right, could be the thats the pi need so much wattage.... p=v*i
[15:41] <ThePendulum> Zardoz: guess 5V doesn't go there
[15:42] <Zardoz> eek
[15:42] <mfa298> tommy``: I suspect the Pi2 is barely working, the PC limits are likely the reason for the low voltage you got when measuring
[15:42] <ThePendulum> damn
[15:42] <ThePendulum> hopefully I didn't blow them up
[15:42] <Chunkyz-ZNC> ThePendulum, lmao
[15:42] <mfa298> tommy``: what's the status of the red led on the Pi2 ?
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[15:43] <Rukus> usb 3.0 will output 900ma, thats about it. unless its a powershare port.... but then i dont know much about that
[15:43] <tommy``> mfa298, it's off
[15:43] <mlelstv> a real USB port will only deliver 100mA
[15:43] <mfa298> tommy``: that means the Pi is telling you it's not got enough power, it may appear to be working but I suspect it's not running at full speed and could lead to data corruption
[15:44] <mlelstv> only after querying the device it may increase that to 500mA.
[15:44] <mfa298> the red LED should be on all the time if the pwoer is good
[15:44] <tommy``> wait a sec, this is strange
[15:44] <tommy``> i changed cable and now led is red
[15:44] <Zardoz> Pi2 needs like ~2A
[15:44] <Rukus> you can always try to output more from usb port by disallowing it to communicate with the a attached device. this method is used on "usb fast charge" methods of android phones, but thats ignoring the constraints of the port and trying to draw as much power as possible, which eventually burns out the usb port
[15:44] <tommy``> now the led is red PWR led
[15:45] <mlelstv> Pi2 needs like 0.5A
[15:45] <Rukus> theres better information about that on the xda forums than i explained
[15:45] <Zardoz> mlelstv: really?
[15:45] <tommy``> guys, changing the cable is 4.72, and red is led
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[15:45] <mfa298> tommy``: I'd *highly* recommend getting a decent PSU for the Pi2, don't try running it from a PC USB port
[15:45] <mlelstv> yes, that is _for itself_. The power supply must of course also power everything connected to the pi
[15:46] <mlelstv> tommy, that's still on the edge.
[15:46] <Rukus> yeah, its probably trying to max out the USB ports current... which wouldnt really be stable past 500ma
[15:46] <mfa298> tommy``: that's right on the lower limit of whats safe for the Pi2 (i.e. you can't plug anything into it, and it may not run at full speed)
[15:46] <ThePendulum> damn, with Output Enable on ground it won't work at all, without Output Enable it only activates the first 1/5th of the LEDs... with Output Enable on 5V it works perfectly until it catches fire
[15:46] <tommy``> i would like to know what's change from a cable to another
[15:46] <Rukus> tommy``: gauge of wire... less resistance
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[15:47] <Zardoz> ^
[15:47] <mfa298> tommy``: different cables can be different qualities. length will have a difference and how well the cable is connected to the connectors
[15:47] <Rukus> yeah, the gauge of wire and length are two main contributors
[15:48] <Rukus> we ran into this problem on the xda-developers forums. and we learnt that not all cables are equal
[15:48] <Rukus> when dev were messing with custom kernels and usb fast charging of devices
[15:48] <Rukus> and people were burning out their comps usb ports
[15:48] <tommy``> thanks all guys! :D
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[15:49] <Habbie> tommy``, and girls
[15:49] <Zardoz> I would just get a good USB power adaptor for the Pi and be done with it...
[15:49] <ThePendulum> apparently it wasn't the 5V on the Output Enable
[15:49] <Rukus> by drawing more current than regulated. usually the device connected communicates with the port and tells the port what it is, and the port applies the correct ma draw. if you circumvent this, the device will draw as much as the port will allow... which is bad
[15:50] <tommy``> ah yes obviously
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[15:50] <Habbie> Rukus, the pi, by the way, does not communicate with its power supply :)
[15:50] <Rukus> anyway i sadi all that i guess
[15:50] <tommy``> girls geek are the hottest!
[15:50] <Rukus> Habbie: thats why uses coputer usb ports is a problem :)
[15:50] <Rukus> using*
[15:50] <Habbie> yes
[15:51] <Rukus> there is no current regulation
[15:51] <Rukus> yeah
[15:51] <Rukus> u get it
[15:51] <Rukus> xD
[15:53] <ThePendulum> pfft the wires burnt off
[15:53] * ThePendulum is a true electro engineer
[15:55] <mlelstv> once played with a light bulb, now everything is a light bulb ?
[15:56] <ThePendulum> no idea what's causing this massive heat production in the wires
[15:56] <ThePendulum> maybe they're just too thin :/ I reckon I would've noticed before though
[15:56] <Zardoz> shorts
[15:56] <mfa298> ThePendulum: hot wires would suggest somethings pullign too mcuh current. a short somewhere perhaps
[15:57] <ThePendulum> yeah, can't find where though, must be the endpoint on the grid itself
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[16:02] <ThePendulum> guess I really need to fix this before going on, the LEDs themselves get very hot as well
[16:02] <Chillum> wise man says, check resistance between + and - before hooking up to power
[16:03] <ThePendulum> yeah need to grab my multimeter
[16:05] <ThePendulum> and learn how to use it
[16:06] <ThePendulum> what I don't get though, why do they only get hot when they're turned on? if there's a short the current would ramp up regardless of whether they're on or off, no?
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[16:08] <mlelstv> an electro engineer would now calculate the current through the LEDs
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[16:10] <ThePendulum> yeah, I will
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[16:14] <jrg> is there a btc repo to get bitcoin-cli?
[16:14] <jrg> doesn't seem like the raspbian repos have it even tho they have bitcoind
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[18:01] <jrg> hm. is there some new cp that i can get that supports server side smb copy?
[18:02] <ali1234> jrg: raspbian might have an old version of bitcoin from before they split bitcoin-cli into a separate binary?
[18:03] <ali1234> they both come from the same source package in the ubuntu ppa
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[18:04] <jrg> ali1234: i don't think it's an older version of bitcoind
[18:05] <ali1234> well, can you make rpc commands with bitcoind?
[18:05] <ali1234> like "bitcoind getinfo"
[18:05] <jrg> Bitcoin version 0.3.24-beta
[18:05] <jrg> well.. could be lol
[18:05] <ali1234> what
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[18:05] <ali1234> that is ancient
[18:05] <jrg> wtf?
[18:06] <jrg> yah. that's what's in the raspbian repo lol
[18:06] <jrg> better rm that i guess
[18:06] <ali1234> in jessie??
[18:06] <jrg> i didn't even notice that
[18:06] <jrg> yes
[18:06] <jrg> this is a rather fresh install other than the apt-get update upgrade i did a while ago and a few other modifications
[18:07] <ali1234> wow. well, don't use that
[18:07] <jrg> yah
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[18:07] <jrg> think i'll go ahead and write that off for now lol
[18:07] <ChunkzZ> hello, ladies.
[18:07] <ChunkzZ> exit
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[18:12] <jrg> Source: bitcoin (0.3.24~dfsg-1)
[18:12] <jrg> Version: 0.3.24~dfsg-1+b2
[18:12] <jrg> Architecture: armhf
[18:12] <jrg> yup. seems as tho it is indeed 0.3.24 lol
[18:12] <jrg> wth??
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[18:37] <Lirux> I'm having problem connecting PI (b 256mb) to my dell display via hdmi->dvi adapter. I get an output for one sec and than black screen. (laptop working fine) and idea why?
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[18:40] <oq> Lirux: try adding hdmi_force_hotplug=1 to your config.txt
[18:40] <Lirux> oq, already tried it
[18:40] <Lirux> didnt help
[18:40] <Lirux> also hdmi boost =4
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[18:51] <ChunkzZ> can anyone recommened a wireless keyboard and mouse?!
[18:51] <ChunkzZ> £20 or under.
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[18:59] <ThePendulum> pfft
[18:59] <ThePendulum> these LEDs are too damn hot
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[19:08] <mfa298> ThePendulum: that would suggest you need bigger resistors on them
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[19:09] <mfa298> LEDs really shouldn't get hot
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[19:09] <ThePendulum> bigger resistors heh
[19:10] <ThePendulum> these are WS2812B chips
[19:10] <Roonix> my leds get VERY hot - these ones https://www.amazon.co.uk/Noza-Lighting-lighting-Kitchen-Non-Waterproof/dp/B00NLYIP5E/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1462640991&sr=8-1&keywords=leds
[19:10] <ThePendulum> the wire leading up to it seems to be too thin, they were literally smoking earlier
[19:10] <ThePendulum> no idea why the LEDs seem to be overheating too now though
[19:11] <Roonix> ahh i think they're pretty much the same as yours yeah
[19:11] <ThePendulum> mine or on a grid which should help with heat dissipation
[19:11] <ThePendulum> I have a reel as well which frankly doesn't get as hot
[19:11] <ThePendulum> they're not as powerful either though
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[19:12] <ThePendulum> there's a voltage drop going on too even though they're supposedly pulling 5A
[19:13] <ThePendulum> the power supply supposedly supplying 10A
[19:14] <mfa298> ThePendulum: have you checked the voltage going into them is within the specs (datasheet seems to suggest up to 5v)
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[19:15] <ThePendulum> there's a voltage drop
[19:15] <ChunkzZ> can anyone recommened a decent wireless keyboard and mouse?!
[19:16] <ChunkzZ> under £20? or £20...
[19:16] <ThePendulum> I like the Rapoo 9070 but it has to be your thing
[19:16] <ThePendulum> oh
[19:16] <mfa298> if you're pushing 5V at 5A through cables you'll need some reasonably large cable. for it otherwise it will get hot and have a voltage drop
[19:17] <ThePendulum> yeah the wiring is probably an issue and I likely didn't notice because the breadboard used to dissipate a lot of it
[19:17] <ThePendulum> I'm a bit confused they put underrated wiring on the thing though
[19:18] <mfa298> I'd have thought you want wires that are at least 1mm diameter for that current and potentially larger if it's a long run.
[19:19] <hypermist> hehe i've melted a cable once supplying to much power
[19:19] <hypermist> and it was like blarghs
[19:19] <hypermist> hot rubber/pvc everywhere on my fingers burnt alot
[19:20] <hypermist> my led pwoer box gets hot because its chinese :3
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[19:26] <ThePendulum> mfa298: yeah, 18awg would be ideal, but these are 18awg (.812mm), which I wouldn't expect to get as ridiculously hot as they get
[19:26] <ThePendulum> the LEDs themselves get hot too, which I find surprising
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[19:28] <mfa298> do you have an ammeter so you can measure the current, you could then check how much power is going through the system and that it's at the expected level
[19:28] <mfa298> although 5V with 5A will have 25W to disappate somewhere so that could mean things get hotter than you expect
[19:29] <mfa298> its always good to have an idea of what currents / voltages should be in bits of a circuit, then test to check it's right
[19:30] <ThePendulum> it's about 5A, which is lower than I anticipated
[19:30] <ThePendulum> my strip has a voltage drop along the length of it it seems
[19:30] <ThePendulum> they shift yellow towards the end
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[19:47] <DelphiWorld> hi raspbians
[19:48] <DelphiWorld> i have my rpi2
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[19:48] <DelphiWorld> i am preparring to control some relays but need to understand the pinout
[19:48] <DelphiWorld> where do the pin 1 start from?
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[19:50] <exonormal> https://www.google.com/search?q=types+of+memory+in+computer+with+pictures&biw=1313&bih=673&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjGkfK4vsjMAhUIVj4KHe9oAioQsAQIGw#tbm=isch&q=pinouts+of+raspberry+pi
[19:51] <DelphiWorld> exonormal: are you replying to me?
[19:51] <exonormal> DelphiWorld: look at link above ^^^^^^^^^^^^
[19:51] <DelphiWorld> exonormal: i am blind that why i am asking here
[19:51] <pcmerc> google is your friend
[19:51] <exonormal> ok sorry
[19:51] <DelphiWorld> i am allready on a site explaining the pinout, but i dont see where's the 1 so i could start from it
[19:51] <DelphiWorld> pcmerc: see my reply's above?
[19:51] <pcmerc> then google more images for the header pins?
[19:52] <DelphiWorld> pcmerc: didn't i say i am blind?
[19:52] <DelphiWorld> i can't see pictures
[19:52] <pcmerc> oh ya?
[19:52] <DelphiWorld> i could read only text
[19:52] <DelphiWorld> Text to speech
[19:52] <pcmerc> ah
[19:53] <pcmerc> well if starting from the edge where the SD slot is
[19:53] <pcmerc> the header pins start there
[19:53] <DelphiWorld> sd slot should be right or left
[19:53] <pcmerc> outside is odd #
[19:53] <pcmerc> err
[19:53] <pcmerc> outside row is even # pins
[19:53] <pcmerc> inside row is odd #
[19:53] <exonormal> ok, DelphiWorld pin one is first one at edge of board towards inside, pin 2 is outside of board
[19:53] <DelphiWorld> odd #?
[19:53] <DelphiWorld> confusing
[19:54] <pcmerc> odd # is confusing? 1,3,5,7,9 etc?
[19:54] <DelphiWorld> ok, it look i got you exonormal
[19:54] <DelphiWorld> got it now
[19:54] <DelphiWorld> i need 6 pins
[19:54] <exonormal> number 6?
[19:54] <DelphiWorld> pin 1 is ground, 2/3/4/5 is relay's contact, 6 is VCC
[19:54] <pcmerc> 6 is ground
[19:54] <pcmerc> what model pi?
[19:55] <DelphiWorld> pi 2
[19:55] <pcmerc> pin 1 is not ground correct me if I'm wrong
[19:55] <DelphiWorld> no no no
[19:55] <DelphiWorld> i am talking about my board
[19:55] <DelphiWorld> my relay board
[19:55] <DelphiWorld> pin 1 is 5V
[19:55] <pcmerc> ah
[19:55] <DelphiWorld> 1 and 4
[19:55] <DelphiWorld> right pcmerc ?
[19:56] <pcmerc> not sure on your relay board I didn't see what you were using
[19:56] <DelphiWorld> sory
[19:56] <DelphiWorld> 2 and 4 should be 5v
[19:56] <pcmerc> that is correct
[19:56] <DelphiWorld> and, ground is 6?
[19:56] <pcmerc> 2 and 4 on the pi header is 5v
[19:57] <pcmerc> ground is pin 6 or 9
[19:57] <pcmerc> there are quite a few grounds etc
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[19:57] <DelphiWorld> good goo
[19:57] <DelphiWorld> goooooooooood
[19:57] <DelphiWorld> now i'll get started...
[19:57] * DelphiWorld rebooting, brb
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[19:57] <pcmerc> good luck :D
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[19:58] <pcmerc> wonder if he solders blind
[19:58] <pcmerc> that would be impressive
[19:58] <exonormal> lol, yes that would be a miracle
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[19:59] <pcmerc> I'd imagine if so, with a light saber he'd be deadly :D
[19:59] <pcmerc> put on that blaster helmet
[19:59] <exonormal> oh well, at least a blind is learning to use a pi, impressive, indeed
[19:59] <pcmerc> hell ya
[19:59] <pcmerc> determination is awesome
[20:00] <exonormal> yes it is
[20:00] <exonormal> I am learning disabled
[20:00] <pcmerc> what does that mean?
[20:00] <pcmerc> you can't learn?
[20:01] <exonormal> my memory chip in my head is less than 4kb... I am very slow learner
[20:01] <tommy``> guys the pwr red LED on pi2 must be ever on or blink sometimes?
[20:01] <exonormal> yes
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[20:02] <DelphiWorld> yo back
[20:02] <exonormal> welcome back DelphiWorld
[20:02] <DelphiWorld> so, for a 7 Inch touchscreen, what's the best framework to use?
[20:02] <exonormal> heah, I do not know that stuff, sorry
[20:03] <DelphiWorld> no problem, exonormal :P
[20:03] <DelphiWorld> i should also play with MQTT & openhap
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[20:08] <tommy``> exonormal: yes that red could blink?
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[20:09] <harha_> Hey, I just installed the full raspbian image on my pi3, set it running headless and connected to lan network, ssh'd into and installed some software along with xrdp, now when I try to connect to it with win 10 rdp client it does connect but screen stays just black. Any idea why this wouldn't work right away?
[20:09] <exonormal> tommy``: it should be steady
[20:09] <exonormal> blink when data is being transferred
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[20:10] <exonormal> tommy``: what OS you using?
[20:10] <tommy``> mmmh, raspbian
[20:10] <exonormal> what pi?
[20:10] <tommy``> pi2
[20:11] <exonormal> try Raspbian Jessie
[20:11] <exonormal> works better
[20:11] <tommy``> wupi@raspberrypi:~ $ uname -r
[20:11] <tommy``> 4.1.19-v7+
[20:12] <tommy``> i think it's jessie
[20:12] <exonormal> or if you want something better, Ubuntu 15.10 from pi site
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[20:13] <exonormal> what is pi doing, or what are you trying to do with it?
[20:13] <tommy``> today i change the usb cable connected to pc because the last one didn't give to pi2 enough Volts
[20:14] <exonormal> ok that would be the issue..
[20:14] <exonormal> always use a good PSU on a pi... always..
[20:14] <exonormal> USB cables to pi via computer is not always a good idea
[20:15] <tommy``> which is better to use?
[20:15] <exonormal> at least a 2 amp 5 volt PSU
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[20:15] <tommy``> I'm thinking to use the charger of nexus 7 tablet
[20:15] <DelphiWorld> mine is a iPad PSU
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[20:16] <exonormal> some USB cables are not able to supply enough juice.
[20:16] <exonormal> sweet, DelphiWorld
[20:16] <DelphiWorld> juice. Lulz ;)
[20:16] <exonormal> yes, lots of juice, amps
[20:17] <DelphiWorld> yes i got you ;)
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[20:17] <exonormal> no, my wife has me, laughing out loud
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[20:17] <ChunkzZ> nexus 7 2012 or 2013 tommy`` ?
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[20:18] <tommy``> 2012 ChunkzZ
[20:18] <tommy``> :(
[20:18] <DelphiWorld> lol
[20:18] <ChunkzZ> can you just not buy a proper 1?
[20:19] <tommy``> ah now shops are closed :D
[20:19] <tommy``> next week
[20:19] <DelphiWorld> could someone tel me if rpi 3 wifi is 800.11N or 802.11AC too?
[20:20] <ChunkzZ> N iirc
[20:20] <DelphiWorld> ok, ChunkzZ
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[20:21] <exonormal> DelphiWorld: it's 800.11n, bluetooth 4.0
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[20:23] <tommy``> ChunkzZ you've nexus tablet too?
[20:23] <exonormal> tommy``: do you have cell phone chargers?
[20:24] <tommy``> yes of nexus 5
[20:24] <exonormal> hmmm, that won't do
[20:24] <exonormal> need a good one
[20:24] <tommy``> that from nexus 7 is not good u think?
[20:24] <ChunkzZ> 2013 yeah tommy``
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[20:25] <exonormal> I don't know I don't have those
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[20:28] <exonormal> tommy``: here is the ones I use....
[20:28] <exonormal> http://www.amazon.com/CanaKit-Raspberry-Supply-Adapter-Charger/dp/B00MARDJZ4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1462645655&sr=8-1&keywords=raspberry+pi+psu
[20:28] <exonormal> very reliable
[20:28] <tommy``> ah ok i check
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[20:38] <stiv> i bought my pi from CanaKit. was pleased with the quality of components
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[20:39] <harha_> What kind of module would give me the best performance in an xrdp session on raspberry pi 3? I'm connecting with the default win 10 rdp client.
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[20:44] <exonormal> stiv: yes, CanaKit is best.. love those kits
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[20:55] <JakeSays> hey has anyone in here ever messed with adafruit's RTM69 modems?
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[20:58] <exonormal> link? pls..
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[21:01] <pcmerc> modem would be kinda cool, hyperfax pi :D
[21:01] <mfa298> JakeSays: do you mean the HopeRF RFM69 radio modules ?
[21:02] <JakeSays> mfa298: yes
[21:02] <pcmerc> err hylafax that is
[21:02] <JakeSays> mfa298: im using adafruit's breakout
[21:02] <JakeSays> can't get them to work
[21:02] <mfa298> JakeSays: not used whatever adafruit sells, but I've used the radio modules on a Pi and AVRs
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[21:03] <JakeSays> mfa298: how did you use them?
[21:03] <mfa298> on the Pi you need to enable SPI in raspi-config (assuming raspbian)
[21:03] <JakeSays> i did
[21:04] <JakeSays> mfa298: i'm using this code: https://github.com/abouillot/HomeAutomation/tree/master/piGateway
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[21:04] <mfa298> I've used them as part of https://ukhas.net with a few pi options at https://ukhas.net/wiki/guides:rasp_pi_design
[21:04] <stiv> if it talks over a known protocol, likely there is a module/lib in your chosen language to use the device
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[21:05] <JakeSays> stiv: see above link
[21:05] <stiv> click
[21:05] <sasha> Hey guys, are there any lightweight browsers that work with css3?
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[21:05] <JakeSays> lightweight browser is an oxymoron
[21:05] <sasha> Particularly flexbox? I made this really nice ui and it looks ugly on the default (midori?) browser
[21:05] <mfa298> first bit would be to see if you can talk to the module, you should be able to get a version number out at least with a couple of spi calls
[21:06] <exonormal> Eiphany?
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[21:06] <sasha> apt-get install eiphany ?
[21:06] <exonormal> you can try it, not a gaurantee
[21:07] <JakeSays> mfa298: i get to this line and then it just spins: https://github.com/abouillot/HomeAutomation/blob/master/piGateway/rfm69.cpp#L118
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[21:09] <mfa298> JakeSays: I don't know that code so I'm not sure how much I can easily help with it.
[21:10] <JakeSays> mfa298: did you build your own hat?
[21:10] <mfa298> the obvious issue might be a difference between which spi select line is being used
[21:10] <mfa298> JakeSays: yes
[21:11] <JakeSays> mfa298: was it the one on that russss github page?
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[21:12] <sasha> is there a way to list displays?
[21:12] <sasha> I tried export DISPLAY=:0 but it's not the right one
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[21:13] <mfa298> JakeSays: no, mine is a custom job on an original Pi, My code is the C++ version
[21:14] <JakeSays> mfa298: how did you mount the rfm69?
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[21:15] <mfa298> JakeSays: I'd check which select pin your board is using (and potentially what other pins are connected and how) and compare with that code to see if it matches.
[21:15] <exonormal> I don't know about the display thing, have to ask [Saint], shiftplusone, etc...
[21:15] <mfa298> after that I'd probably connect up a logic analyser and see if data is actually being sent to the module
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[21:16] <JakeSays> mfa298: i did - three times. i'm just curious how you made yours.
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[21:16] <mfa298> JakeSays: humble pi board and wires
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[21:18] <mfa298> sasha: I'm not sure there's an easy way to list them, by standard the local X session is :0 and ssh tunnels are :10 (and possibly count up from there)
[21:18] <JakeSays> mfa298: this is the breakout i'm using. did you need all that extra circuitry? https://www.adafruit.com/products/3070
[21:19] <JakeSays> aside from the module itself
[21:19] <mfa298> sasha: best bet I can think of would be to look at listening ports from memory ports are 6000 + display number
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[21:21] <mfa298> JakeSays: I don't have extra hardware, I'm guessing that might just be regulator / logic level convertors
[21:21] <JakeSays> ah ok
[21:21] <mfa298> no doubt the description on that page tells you
[21:22] <JakeSays> i'll go do some poking around
[21:22] <JakeSays> mfa298: out of curiosity what do you use yours for?
[21:23] <mfa298> 19:04 < mfa298> I've used them as part of https://ukhas.net with a few pi options at ...
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[21:24] <JakeSays> lol ah ok
[21:25] <stiv> sasha, vnc (often?) uses :1
[21:26] <JakeSays> hmm. looking at that code i think there are some math issues that might be causing an infinite loop
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[21:29] <shauno> for X display numbers, easiest way I know is to ls /tmp/.X11-unix/
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[21:30] <JakeSays> mfa298: i get a valid version back. very cool.
[21:30] <sasha> mfa298 stiv it was on the wrong pi :|
[21:30] <stiv> heh
[21:31] <mfa298> rofl
[21:31] <stiv> details. mere details
[21:31] <JakeSays> lol
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[21:35] <harha_> What command do I need to execute in latest raspbian to start a desktop session? startx?
[21:35] <harha_> I'm configuring tightvncserver
[21:35] <beatmeat> harha_: yes, startx
[21:35] <harha_> beatmeat; Will that prompt the login form or do I need something else for that?
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[21:36] <beatmeat> harha_: are you already logged in at the command line?
[21:37] <harha_> Yeah I have an SSH session open currently
[21:37] <sasha> stiv we're building a spectropointer controller, in this case the controller runs on a different pi from the one that's displaying the interface https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/SGeJKLy5/IMG_0722.JPG
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[21:38] <sasha> so I was ssh'ed into the other pi, onto which I installed iceweasel and couldn't figure out why it wouldn't run on the display
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[21:38] <beatmeat> harha_: did you use X server forwarding?
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[21:39] <harha_> beatmeat; The ssh session? No? this is just a basic ssh session over a client similar to putty.
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[21:39] <stiv> sasha, interesting
[21:40] <JakeSays> this is some poorly written c++
[21:41] <beatmeat> harha_: I don't think that will work.
[21:42] <harha_> beatmeat; Why wouldn't it? A few years ago I was running a vnc server on my arch linux dedicated server, I faintly remember this is how I set it up.
[21:42] <harha_> well, gray screen
[21:42] <harha_> I think I need to use startlxde
[21:42] <harha_> if the default desktop env is lxde? right?
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[21:44] <mfa298> JakeSays: if that's the stuff you linked earlier, it did look like they were trying to make it work with Pi and Arduino, at which point I'm not sure you can put arduino and good code in the same sentence
[21:44] <oq> harha_ you're not on the lite image right?
[21:44] <harha_> Well, it seems to work. lxde shows up but apparently this isn't the default desktop environment. :-D
[21:45] <JakeSays> mfa298: lol very true. my goal is to clean it up once i've proved it works
[21:45] <harha_> oq; This is the normal raspbian, I think I might install lite though.
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[21:48] <JakeSays> mfa298: do you use sync values?
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[21:57] <harha_> seriously what's the default desktop env you get when you plug your raspi 3 into a display with default raspbian image? What's the command for that?
[21:57] <harha_> <_<
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[21:59] <bekks> command? when using a default raspian image, you have to graphically configure it.
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[22:00] <ChunkzZ> bekks, not if it's raspbian lite.
[22:00] <bekks> which is the lite version, not the default :)
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[22:00] <ChunkzZ> yeah, he's mixed up I guess.
[22:00] <harha_> ...
[22:01] <harha_> I guess it's just startx or startlxde
[22:01] <ChunkzZ> harha_, you using lite or full?@
[22:01] <harha_> full
[22:01] <ChunkzZ> you've broke something -.-
[22:01] <bekks> harha_: then X is automatically started.
[22:01] <ChunkzZ> yeah ^
[22:01] <bekks> or you already ran raspi-config and disabled the startup of X.
[22:01] <harha_> yes but my vncserver doesn't seem to be able to attach to it
[22:02] <ChunkzZ> lol
[22:02] <harha_> I just get gray screen or an lxde desktop
[22:02] <harha_> if I try to login with a vnc client
[22:02] <harha_> so now I am
[22:02] <harha_> trying to make the default raspbian desktop start
[22:02] <harha_> with vncserver
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[22:02] <bekks> I can identify the issue clearly: dont use VNC:
[22:02] <harha_> and thus I've disabled the power-on startup of desktop
[22:02] <harha_> I've never had problems with it
[22:02] <harha_> until now
[22:02] <ChunkzZ> lies.
[22:03] <bekks> VNC is an issue by design.
[22:03] <harha_> it has worked fine for me on lan
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[22:04] <harha_> I'd use xrdp but it provides a very laggy experience unless I painfully install xrdp11 which I don't even know if it exists for raspberry pi
[22:04] <bekks> I'd just use NoMachine NX.
[22:04] <harha_> it isn't in the repos at least
[22:04] <harha_> never heard of that
[22:05] <bekks> It is a sane alternative to VNC. Secure, reliable, etc.
[22:05] <ChunkzZ> tlp not found on raspbian -.-
[22:05] <harha_> I don't care about security in this case
[22:05] <harha_> I checked some videos
[22:06] <harha_> I suspect it might give the same laggy experience as xrdp
[22:06] <bekks> https://www.nomachine.com/download/linux&id=1 - there you go
[22:06] <ChunkzZ> try it and find out.
[22:07] <harha_> Well I'll try it, thanks for the suggestion.
[22:07] <harha_> But I'll still try to fight vnc for a while until I do that.
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[22:15] <swift110> hey all
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[22:19] <ChunkzZ> bekks, how do I connect after installing what you said? noname?
[22:19] <bekks> ChunkzZ: using your remote username/password, the same as you would be using for ssh.
[22:20] <ChunkzZ> I only installed it. didn't ask for a username/passowrd?
[22:21] <bekks> You need to configure a connection in your nxclient now.
[22:21] <ChunkzZ> ahhh
[22:21] <ChunkzZ> :p
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[22:22] <ChunkzZ> how?
[22:22] <bekks> How what?
[22:22] <ChunkzZ> how to use nxclient? lol
[22:22] <bekks> Start the nxclient on your client computer, and configure a connection.
[22:22] <ChunkzZ> nxclient not on my system -.-
[22:23] <bekks> So you need to install it.
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[22:23] <bekks> https://www.nomachine.com/getting-started-with-nomachine
[22:23] <ChunkzZ> I installed the deb you linked to lol
[22:23] <bekks> thats the server part.
[22:24] <harha_> blah
[22:24] <harha_> I'll install raspbian-lite -> some mandatory stuff -> lxde -> tightvncserver -> it'll work beautifully
[22:24] <ChunkzZ> that's different, that's for windows bekks
[22:24] <bekks> ChunkzZ: And OSX, and linux.
[22:25] <ChunkzZ> I'm doing it on my pi3...
[22:25] <bekks> the rpi isnt client and server, in parallel.
[22:25] <ChunkzZ> so I can control my pi 2 :p
[22:26] <ChunkzZ> oh -.-
[22:26] <ChunkzZ> :/
[22:27] <ChunkzZ> oh well, back to searching. XD
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[22:28] <bekks> you could just use XDMCP, or ssh.
[22:29] <ChunkzZ> ssh and I can't use kodi :(
[22:29] <bekks> Sure, why not.
[22:29] <bekks> ssh -X
[22:29] <ChunkzZ> ?
[22:30] <bekks> ssh X forwarding.
[22:31] <ChunkzZ> yeah that doesn't work lol
[22:31] <bekks> Why not?
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[22:31] <ChunkzZ> X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication.
[22:31] <ChunkzZ> xcb_connection_has_error() returned true
[22:32] <bekks> Sounds like messed up permissions on one side.
[22:32] <ChunkzZ> sudo -i works and normal sudo works
[22:33] <bekks> Which has nothing to so with messed up permissions for X.
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[22:33] <ChunkzZ> bekks, so how do I fix X?
[22:33] <bekks> Check permissions in your home directory.
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[22:35] <ChunkzZ> yeah, still doesn't work lol
[22:35] <bekks> After doing what?
[22:36] <ChunkzZ> changing permissions
[22:36] <bekks> From what to what?
[22:37] <ChunkzZ> 755 to 777
[22:37] <bekks> From what to what?
[22:37] <bekks> And if 777 is the answer, most likely the question was wrong.
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[22:47] <shauno> for xauth you tend to go the opposite direction. eg, make sure ~/.Xauthority is 0600. like ssh keys, it'll spank you for wider permissions
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[22:50] <swift110> sup
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[23:30] <niston> 42
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[23:46] <harha_> Raspbian lite seems like a nice image. Very minimal
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[23:47] <harha_> Well, not 'very' minimal, but minimal enough.
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[23:47] <harha_> And I prefer debian over anything else so, that's a plus.
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[23:49] <EvilDMP> I have a PIL image, whose format is "JPEG"; as soon as I do image = image.crop() on it, image.format becomes None
[23:49] <EvilDMP> why is that?
[23:50] <EvilDMP> I need to be able to get the image into PyGame, but pygame.image.frombuffer() requires a format argument
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[23:50] <EvilDMP> am I missing a stage here
[23:50] <EvilDMP> ?
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[23:51] <harha_> maybe ask from #python
[23:51] <harha_> idk
[23:51] <harha_> or well, #pygame seems to exist :D
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[23:52] <EvilDMP> harha_: damn, I thought I *was* in #python
[23:53] <EvilDMP> <copy/pastes>
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[23:53] <harha_> lol
[23:54] <Berg> it is 7.53 am in the sunburnt country
[23:54] <Berg> morning
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[23:56] <harha_> good mornign from finland, it's 0:55AM here.
[23:56] <harha_> * morning
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