#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2016-05-08

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[0:02] <harha_> I did a fresh install of raspbian lite on my pi 3, installed lxde and setup tightvncserver. Everything went fine except it failed to boot after I issued sudo reboot. <_<
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[0:03] <harha_> Yeah, no, it's either not booting at all or it cannot connect to my lan network for some reason. All I did was install lxde and tightvncserver + setup a systemd task for tightvncserver @display id of 0 and enabled it.
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[0:04] <Berg> try display 1
[0:04] <harha_> it's not in the network, can't ssh to it
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[0:04] <harha_> have to connect it to a monitor, bleh
[0:05] <Berg> do you have the right ip to vnc in?
[0:05] <harha_> display 0 worked fine for me back when I setup this for my pi 1 using arch linux image.
[0:05] <harha_> my pi has static ip in this network
[0:06] <Berg> here is my connection command to my pi "Exec=vncviewer -passwd /home/berg/passwd"
[0:06] <Berg> it used 1 as default
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[0:07] <harha_> Yeah well the problem is that the pi is not on the network, not that I couldn't connect to it. It's not in the devices list of my router anymore.
[0:07] <harha_> I connected it on a display and it shows the default login prompt so it does boot
[0:07] <harha_> it just doesn't understand to connect to my lan network for some odd reason anymore
[0:07] <Berg> try and restart it
[0:08] <harha_> I restarted it multiple times
[0:08] <Berg> you used ssh to install all the vnc stuff?
[0:08] <Berg> it worked then?
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[0:09] <harha_> sure, I always use my pi headless
[0:09] <Berg> and did you expand your file system on initialise
[0:09] <harha_> Yes, yes... this is just some odd weird bug or something. Idk, might even be just my router acting weird.
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[0:10] <Berg> well to be honest i have had lan issues with that exact same set up anb had to manualy disconnect power tyo reboot this is a bad idea as cards can be corrupted but mine rebooted ok
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[0:11] <Berg> you might have to re-install system
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[0:12] <Berg> I suggest you sdcard got corrupted on power off
[0:12] <Berg> reinstall
[0:12] <Berg> i dont know why the lan sometimees dont work
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[0:37] <exonormal> did you ask the lan?
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[0:40] <jrg> is there a way to build a newer bitcoind for raspbian?
[0:42] * flg doh
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[0:48] <jrg> ah ok
[0:49] <jrg> i found an awesome site that explains it
[0:49] <jrg> nice
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[0:52] <hellslinger> hello everyone, does anyone have any experience running the qpu tutorials and GPU stuff?
[0:53] <CoreISP> Q: I need the Pi to act as a local proxy. I used to use Squid for this purpose, but Squid appears to be working for HTTP(S) traffic only. I need a piece of software that can proxy *everything*; any recommendations by any chance? :)
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[0:54] <Chunkyz> lmao
[0:55] * oq CoreISP: vpn?
[0:56] <Chunkyz> I couldn't be bothered setting up both my pi2 and 3, so I configured everything on my pi 2, cloned the sd card and change only sdcard overclock and it works great! lmao
[0:57] <Chunkyz> didn't think it would
[0:57] <Chunkyz> ~:p
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[0:58] <CoreISP> oq: nvm, just noticed I need to set it up as a gateway instead. Damned device I need this features for doesn't have abilities for proxy/vpn.
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[1:04] <daey> im trying to set GPIO25 to high via the wiringpi (gpio) command, but it doesnt react to it. is gpio25 special in any way? http://www.jameco.com/Jameco/workshop/circuitnotes/raspberry_pi_circuit_note_fig2a.jpg
[1:07] <stiv> there are different pin number schemes. dont know what wiring uses
[1:07] <daey> for some reason its working now :X
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[1:07] <daey> i know about the schemes
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[1:21] <daey> does the wiringpi library even work for stuff like encapsuling 2byte transmissions within the chipselect signal?
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[2:46] <daey> is it possible to use the GPIO pin names in c?
[2:46] <daey> or is that a feature only given by the shell command?
[2:49] <Berg> I think wiringpi can use scheme board or bmc you need to define what method your using first then call the correct pin for that scheme
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[2:51] <Berg> http://wiringpi.com/examples/ daey
[2:52] <daey> yeah just figured it out. its done via the init routine
[2:53] <Berg> i had a dog called init i shot it
[2:53] <abnormal> lol
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[3:15] <Crom> yea my second rpi3 showed up and my noir camera
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[3:21] <abnormal> I wish the pi B-13 came out....
[3:22] <abnormal> or a pi C-21...
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[3:50] <Crom> now working on getting Arduino IDE 1.6.5 installed onto the RPi3
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[4:30] <jrg> is there a raspbian pkg for db-4.8
[4:30] <jrg> or something similar?
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[4:30] <jrg> or must it be built?
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[4:31] <jrg> i'm not even sure what db is heh
[4:32] <Berg> data base?
[4:32] <jrg> oh.. it's berkeley database
[4:32] <jrg> db4.8-util - Berkeley v4.8 Database Utilities
[4:33] <jrg> wonder if i can just use that instead of building it
[4:33] <jrg> for bitcoind
[4:34] <jrg> hm ... that may just be the utilities
[4:34] <jrg> not sure if it actually has db4.8 as a dep
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[4:36] <jrg> top - 21:35:51 up 1 day, 5:19, 5 users, load average: 3.83, 1.84, 1.06
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[4:36] <jrg> poor pi getting beat up lol
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[4:37] <jrg> i'm building db4.8 now.. might as well go read moby dick
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[4:37] <pcmerc> lol
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[4:38] <pcmerc> why would you run bitcoind on there?
[4:38] <pcmerc> lol
[4:38] <jrg> i OCed it to 800MHz... pi is in beast mode
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[4:38] <jrg> pcmerc: the pi is a temporary solution for a shell box until freenas 10 is done.... guess they're ditching jails later on so i am migrating off the jails
[4:38] <jrg> bitcoind isn't so bad once it is synced
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[4:38] <jrg> even on a pi
[4:39] <pcmerc> lol oh I'm very aware
[4:39] <pcmerc> the blockchain is lamely large though
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[4:40] <jrg> well.. i am using pam_mount to mount user home dirs
[4:40] <jrg> so it will actually be accessed through a cifs share on the freenas box
[4:40] <jrg> i mean it will have a lot of calls to cifsd but better than tearing up the SD
[4:40] <pcmerc> ya or a local usb drive
[4:41] <pcmerc> eth maybe but bitcoind seems futile on there
[4:41] <jrg> well the fnas box has the zfs redundancy.. so if the pi breaks the wallet/blockchain/etc is still there
[4:41] <pcmerc> of course, I run freenas myself
[4:41] <pcmerc> :D
[4:41] <jrg> i'm actually a bit surprised how well the pi is performing.. i thought it would be a lot worse
[4:41] <pcmerc> the 3's are nice
[4:41] <jrg> pcmerc: i authenticate against the fnas AD
[4:41] <pcmerc> ah I'm sorry
[4:42] <jrg> yeah but i'm rocking the old ones ;) i have 3 of them
[4:42] <jrg> one of them just got relegated to being the "shell box" lol
[4:42] <pcmerc> I use openldap or other solutions
[4:42] <jrg> naw. the smb4 AD is great
[4:42] <jrg> the config on *nix boxes for authentication and mounting shares is a bit of a task.. but once that's done it's all down hill
[4:42] <pcmerc> if you're running AD that means windows, which is never an option in my env
[4:42] <pcmerc> I'm aware :D
[4:43] <jrg> not really. i like the means by which it does the permissions mappings
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[4:43] <jrg> for both unix and acls
[4:43] <pcmerc> to each his own
[4:43] <jrg> i mean once it's all set up ... i actually found it to be a bit less complicated than oldap
[4:44] <pcmerc> I spend alot of time with openldap so it's cake for me
[4:44] <jrg> and the rfc stuff for permissions made my year lol... that was a huge pain when going cross platform
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[4:44] <pcmerc> most the env's I build clients use it for user / sudo control
[4:44] <jrg> now macs, windows, and *nix boxes are all happy with universal permissions
[4:44] <pcmerc> for clients that is
[4:44] <nickgaw> Hi, How with raspbian lite can I connect to a wifi network or connect a bluetooth keyboard?
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[4:45] <jrg> samba4/winbind adds domain users to the box tho. similar to ldap i'm sure
[4:45] <jrg> it's been a while since i've used the oldap method
[4:45] <pcmerc> ya
[4:45] <jrg> so sudo works fine since getent can see domian users/groups.. it's great heh
[4:45] <jrg> although i think i set up pam_mount incorrectly
[4:45] <pcmerc> lol
[4:45] <jrg> i think it's forcing the domain group. i need to change that
[4:46] <jrg> even tho on the freenas side it's forcing a different group on the dataset so it isn't like it's a deal breaker... i just need to tweak it a bit
[4:46] <pcmerc> yup
[4:46] <jrg> i was just shocked it worked lol
[4:46] <jrg> i was having issues with authentication on the pi and i still don't know why.. it just started working and i don't know what i did to fix it
[4:47] <pcmerc> lol
[4:47] <pcmerc> don't you love that
[4:47] <pcmerc> lmao
[4:47] <jrg> guess things go that way sometimes
[4:47] <jrg> the nss stuff wasn't working even tho wbinfo would work
[4:47] <jrg> so getent wasn't seeing domain users/groups... maybe it was when i started from scratch and redid everything from kerberos to samba
[4:48] <pcmerc> I use sss
[4:48] <pcmerc> sssd
[4:48] <pcmerc> on all the clients *nix based anyways
[4:48] <jrg> yah i never tried that
[4:48] <pcmerc> way nicer
[4:48] <pcmerc> works tight with AD also
[4:48] <jrg> i know i went on a big to do with the authentication across the board
[4:48] <pcmerc> if need be
[4:48] <pcmerc> I also do pass thru auth to AD
[4:48] <pcmerc> if needed
[4:49] <pcmerc> from openldap
[4:49] <jrg> nice. i never tried it once i figured out how to get jails to auth against the fnas ad
[4:49] <pcmerc> depends on client env
[4:49] <jrg> that was a fun learning curve
[4:49] <pcmerc> feels good to conquer it though huh? :D
[4:49] <pcmerc> I like dig that kinda stuff
[4:49] <pcmerc> troubleshooting it super fun to me
[4:49] <jrg> i think at one point i held a shotgun to my fnas box' head and said "you better work"
[4:50] <jrg> yah.. a bit of reading
[4:50] <pcmerc> thats ok
[4:50] <pcmerc> I dig reading manuals
[4:50] <pcmerc> most people don't
[4:50] <pcmerc> lol
[4:50] <jrg> the bad part is you're kind of relegated to half official docs and half blogs
[4:50] <jrg> and pray you get it right with the information you have lol
[4:50] <pcmerc> oh ya
[4:50] <pcmerc> thats again the fun part
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[4:50] <jrg> since not every case is the same
[4:50] <jrg> like the pam_mount stuff
[4:50] <jrg> i love pam. i wish everything used it
[4:51] <pcmerc> look into sssd
[4:51] <pcmerc> :D
[4:51] <jrg> haha.. maybe if i ever need to start from scratch
[4:51] <nickgaw> What image are you using?
[4:51] <jrg> i love fnas but if it ever came down to it i'd probably use xpenology if it had zfs
[4:51] <pcmerc> https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6/html/Deployment_Guide/sssd-ldap-autofs.html
[4:51] <pcmerc> :D
[4:52] <jrg> nickgaw: i'm using the raspbian jessie lite
[4:52] <pcmerc> same here
[4:52] <jrg> rocking my 4GB sd heh
[4:52] <pcmerc> I always prefer debian based
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[4:52] <jrg> that's why the samba stuff was a bit important
[4:52] <jrg> i wish the pi had 2 SD slots tho :/ so i could have some sort of redundancy
[4:52] <pcmerc> although I have worked with RHEL/CentOS for 10+ years
[4:52] <pcmerc> lol
[4:52] <jrg> something better than imaging the SDs at least
[4:53] <pcmerc> use a usb thumb drive
[4:53] <pcmerc> :D
[4:53] <jrg> although with the original pi it doesn't help much since they're prone to SD corruption with a single wrong setting
[4:53] <pcmerc> just boot off the sd
[4:53] <nickgaw> Are you connected using wifi or network cable?
[4:53] <jrg> a network cable
[4:53] <jrg> i used wifi on a pi before. either one gives you crap performance lol
[4:54] <pcmerc> yup
[4:54] <jrg> since it is just a slow device overall and the usb bus running everything doesn't help
[4:54] <pcmerc> usb3 to gig adapter works pretty tight
[4:54] <pcmerc> compare to the onbar
[4:54] <pcmerc> onboard
[4:54] <nickgaw> Can you connect wifi and bluetooth using the console no X windows?
[4:55] <pcmerc> a gui does nothing special but run the commands underneath
[4:55] <pcmerc> so yes you could
[4:55] <jrg> nickgaw: sure
[4:55] <jrg> takes a bit of doing but not too tough to do
[4:56] <nickgaw> What script should I edit to connect to my wifi network as I would have thought raspi-config would help but it does not?
[4:56] <pcmerc> you'll need to create that if I'm not mistaken
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[4:57] <pcmerc> https://www.maker.io/en/blogs/raspberry-pi-3-how-to-configure-wi-fi-and-bluetooth/03fcd2a252914350938d8c5471cf3b63
[4:57] <pcmerc> there are numerous docs online
[4:57] <pcmerc> google is your friend
[4:57] <jrg> db4.8 still going strong!
[4:57] <jrg> i'm sure gcc will break half way through after 2 days heh
[4:58] <pcmerc> hehe
[4:58] <jrg> http://raspnode.com/diyBitcoin.html
[4:58] <jrg> i'm following that for the most part
[4:58] <pcmerc> I used to spend alot of time on the bitcoin crap
[4:58] <jrg> the raspbian repo has like.. bitcoind 0.3something
[4:58] <pcmerc> I compiled 30+ wallets for OSX
[4:58] <pcmerc> :D
[4:58] <jrg> like from the days of yore
[4:59] <jrg> i'm surprised it's building at all tbh
[4:59] <pcmerc> vericoin :D
[4:59] <jrg> The "make -j4" command should take around 5 minutes to complete. If you get errors, then remove the "-j4" and just execute "make". This will take around 20 minutes. <- huh?
[4:59] <jrg> oh he must have been using a newer pi
[4:59] <pcmerc> or use -j2
[5:00] <jrg> not sure if that would even give you any gain on an original pi
[5:00] <pcmerc> I believe thats just threads
[5:00] <jrg> since it only has 1 cpu to thread on
[5:00] <jrg> yah
[5:00] <pcmerc> hehe
[5:01] <pcmerc> matter of fact looks like bluecoin was updated to 1.4
[5:01] <pcmerc> they sent me a request to build an updated OSX wallet
[5:01] <pcmerc> lol
[5:01] <pcmerc> that stuff was fun for a while but got old
[5:01] <pcmerc> I just liked the challenged of setting up the build env & making that stuff work
[5:01] <jrg> i just stick to the cli stuff
[5:02] <pcmerc> the build env is tricky
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[5:02] <jrg> i had problems with bitcoin-ncurses lately tho :/
[5:02] <jrg> too bad it isn't maintained much anymore
[5:02] <jrg> wish it was written in C heh
[5:03] <jrg> python tends to break here and there sometimes with missing modules or something else
[5:04] <jrg> guess fnas 10 is supposed to be strictly python
[5:04] <jrg> /dev/root 3.6G 1.5G 2.0G 43% /
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[5:04] <jrg> things are going to start getting tight if i keep this up.. after bitcoind i thhink i'll be done tho
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[5:06] <Zardoz> hey ho
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[5:47] <binaryhermit> hmm, my raspberry pi 3 rebooted itself?
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[5:47] * binaryhermit might have accidentally interrupted the power supply
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[5:51] <Crom> TELL ME ABLOUT IT... I'm recovering from an unclean shutdown myself... dpkg and apt-get are shiting all over them selves right noww
[5:51] <Zardoz> Crom: yuck
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[5:52] <Crom> multiarch-support is broken... about ready to go down the line of installed packages and reinstall ever last one.
[5:53] <Crom> ok it's fixed... only took 2 hours
[5:54] <Zardoz> Crom: man it must have whent down badly.
[5:54] <jrg> what does a pi3 require for power nowadays?
[5:54] <Crom> right now I'm running on as 2.0 5v ps
[5:54] <Crom> 2.0a 5v
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[5:55] <jrg> ah so no more just plugging it into a usb port huh? heh
[5:55] <jrg> it has wifi now??
[5:55] <jrg> too bad they don't make them with 2 nics
[5:56] <jrg> might make for a good router... would love if they had an arm pfsense
[5:57] <Zardoz> you can get away with 2 or 2.1 amp.
[5:57] <Crom> sheeshz what app looks at the pi camera?
[5:57] <Zardoz> but would suggest 2.4 or 2.5
[5:58] <jrg> can the wifi do AP?
[5:58] <Crom> got a 2.4 with my rpi3 from mcm today
[5:58] <jrg> although that small internal antenna
[5:59] <jrg> but that 100mbit nic still
[6:05] <Zardoz> Crom: you get that Pi3 running yey?
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[6:20] <Crom> it's running... now looking for picamera program
[6:22] <oq> jrg: the wifi chip is crap, it can't even do 40mhz n
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[6:26] <wtiger> Hi!
[6:26] <jrg> oq: i'm sure
[6:27] <jrg> i was looking at some smaller x86 boxes.. you can find a decent atom or celeron for $150
[6:27] <jrg> i think later when i upgrade my freenas box i'll go ahead and repurpose my avoton for pfsense tho
[6:27] <oq> how small?
[6:27] <jrg> about the size of a palm i guess
[6:27] <Zardoz> there is a brix thats has a celron got like 150
[6:28] <jrg> Zardoz: the 2 nics is the bigger pain to find
[6:28] <Zardoz> oh 2 nic yeah... :(
[6:28] <oq> so pico-itx?
[6:28] <Zardoz> thats hard to dind
[6:28] <Zardoz> find
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[6:28] <wtiger> i'm unable to get my new raspberry pi working...
[6:28] <wtiger> tried both the noobs method and dd one
[6:29] <wtiger> (i'm on linux mint)
[6:29] <Zardoz> whats it doing
[6:29] <wtiger> not booting up...
[6:29] <jrg> oq: pico-itx is a nice form factor
[6:29] <jrg> but i don't know if they make it with 2 nics
[6:29] <jrg> the artigo was an interesting little box
[6:30] <oq> what do you need 2 nics for?
[6:30] <wtiger> i have the microsd card connected via usb reader.. formatted it to fat32 and dd'd the raspbian official image onto it...
[6:31] <Zardoz> when you use dd did you unmount the card?
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[6:31] <wtiger> Zardoz: yeah
[6:31] <[Saint]> did you copy the right image?
[6:31] <wtiger> [Saint]: i think so
[6:32] <[Saint]> Knowing so would be infinitely more useful.
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[6:32] <wtiger> [Saint]: yeah, i copied the right image
[6:32] <wtiger> but I have a doubt.. my card was mounted as /dev/sdb1, so I used of=/dev/sdb1 in the dd command
[6:33] <wtiger> or was I supposed to use only /dev/sdb?
[6:33] <Zardoz> whats lsblk show?
[6:34] <[Saint]> wtiger: you were.
[6:34] <[Saint]> you're not writing to a partition. you're writing an image to a block device.
[6:34] <wtiger> [Saint]: ha, there it is
[6:34] <[Saint]> Well, lets not celebrate yet. Plenty more room for failure. ;)
[6:35] <wtiger> Zardoz: lists sdb1 as a part of /dev/sdb
[6:35] <oq> if you unmounted the card then why is it mounted as /dev/sdb1?
[6:35] <wtiger> [Saint]: oh ok
[6:35] <wtiger> oq: unmounted it a long time ago before issuing the dd command
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[6:38] <wtiger> started dd again
[6:38] <wtiger> (this time with of=/dev/sdb)
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[6:38] <Zardoz> that should work assuming everthing else ok
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[6:40] <Zardoz> and hello [Saint]
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[6:47] <wtiger> after dd completed, I've run 'sync' command
[6:47] <wtiger> do I need to issue umount again?
[6:48] <Chillum> no
[6:48] <Chillum> not if you unmounted already
[6:48] <wtiger> yeah, did that before running dd
[6:48] <Chillum> neither the dd command nor the sync command will remount it
[6:48] <Chillum> so you should be good
[6:48] <wtiger> oh ok
[6:49] <wtiger> should I disconnect it directly from the system?
[6:49] <Zardoz> yeah it's not mounted
[6:49] <wtiger> ok, cool
[6:49] <Zardoz> you sould be able to boot with it
[6:50] <wtiger> yep, proceeding to it
[6:50] <Chillum> Zardoz: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0d/Zardoz_zed.jpg lol
[6:50] <Chillum> this is what I picture when I see your nick
[6:50] <Zardoz> hehe
[6:52] <wtiger> how long does it take to boot?
[6:52] <[Saint]> ~30s
[6:52] <wtiger> (raspberry pi 3)
[6:53] <Zardoz> not long
[6:53] <[Saint]> Chillum: this for me - https://imgur.com/c4K5eGP
[6:53] <Zardoz> less then 30 secs
[6:53] <Chillum> hehe
[6:53] <[Saint]> "The penis is bad!"
[6:53] <Zardoz> lol
[6:53] <Chillum> so bad its good
[6:53] <[Saint]> "the gun, is GOOD!"
[6:53] <Zardoz> [Saint]: haha
[6:53] <wtiger> way past that ...
[6:53] <wtiger> 'no input' says the monitor..
[6:54] <Zardoz> mmm
[6:54] <Zardoz> HDMI setting on display?
[6:54] <wtiger> ?
[6:54] <wtiger> hdmi is enabled and all
[6:54] <Zardoz> does your displau have settings?
[6:55] <wtiger> yes
[6:55] <Zardoz> check and make sure it's on HDMI
[6:55] <Zardoz> or whay you have
[6:55] <Zardoz> DVI
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[6:56] <wtiger> yep, it's on hdmi...
[6:56] <Zardoz> do you get the rainbow box at post?
[6:56] <wtiger> nope
[6:57] <Zardoz> ok...
[6:57] <wtiger> i'm powering it via a usb to miniusb connected to my linux box.. can that be a problem?
[6:57] <[Saint]> what's the flash code when you apply power?
[6:57] <[Saint]> you should get a specific number of blinks.
[6:57] <[Saint]> wtiger: Ooooohhhh...yes.
[6:57] <[Saint]> Absolutely.
[6:57] <wtiger> [Saint]: of the red or green led?
[6:57] <Zardoz> thats might be the problem
[6:57] <wtiger> ...
[6:57] <[Saint]> 500mA just ain't gonna cut it.
[6:58] <Zardoz> bet it's power
[6:58] <[Saint]> No way, no how.
[6:58] <Zardoz> lol
[6:58] <Zardoz> zardoz speaks to you.
[6:58] <wtiger> how much does it need? 2A?
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[6:58] <[Saint]> One of the original pis with zero peripherals can get away with booting off 500mA.
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[6:59] <[Saint]> Add pretty much any peripheral and its game over, though.
[6:59] <wtiger> hmm
[6:59] <Zardoz> Pi3 needs at least 2.1A, 2.4 suggested
[6:59] <wtiger> let me arrange for a proper power supply
[6:59] <[Saint]> And I think the recommended (assuming headway for peripherals) is 2.1A these days.
[6:59] <[Saint]> you'll get away with less, though.
[6:59] <[Saint]> but definitely aim for the ~2A mark.
[7:00] <Zardoz> agree
[7:00] <wtiger> ok
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[7:05] <Zardoz> [Saint]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOROvO2fxTc
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[7:07] <DexDeadly> Hello
[7:07] <wtiger> 2A also didn't cut it..
[7:07] <DexDeadly> anyone using kweb?
[7:08] <Zardoz> try a different cable if you can
[7:08] <wtiger> will try with 2.5A
[7:08] <Zardoz> 2.5 will work
[7:08] <wtiger> Zardoz: hdmi cable?
[7:08] <Zardoz> thats what I use
[7:08] <Zardoz> usb
[7:08] <wtiger> ok
[7:08] <wtiger> ?
[7:08] <wtiger> usb for power?
[7:09] <Zardoz> nm
[7:09] <DexDeadly> anyone using jessie with kweb
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[7:12] <AnonRecluse13> hey guys
[7:12] <AnonRecluse13> does the pi4 output DTS-HD MA 5.1 & 7.1 through HDMI?
[7:12] <oq> no such thing
[7:13] <AnonRecluse13> doesnt it downstream it through PCM 5.1 or 7.1?
[7:14] <AnonRecluse13> if i played a mkv with DTS-HD MA 5.1 audio through kodi on the pi3, it would be downstreamed to PCM 5.1, correct?
[7:15] <DexDeadly> how can I tell what autostart file is running ?
[7:15] <Zardoz> last I heard it did PCM only
[7:16] <AnonRecluse13> Zardoz, thank you
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[7:16] <DexDeadly> Im trying to setup kiosk mode. I installed jessie light on my sd. I setup lxde on it and Im trying to setup kweb to boot to a webpage
[7:16] <AnonRecluse13> from what i have read around forums, it will playback TrueHD and DTS-HD MA 5.1/7.1, but it outputs to PCM 5.1 or 7.1
[7:16] <AnonRecluse13> its still ok and enjoyable
[7:17] <AnonRecluse13> unless i have some great 7.1 speaker setup, which i would if i had a spare 10k around. lol
[7:17] <Zardoz> AnonRecluse13: yeah thats waht I thought it would do...
[7:18] <Zardoz> but it been a liitle time last time I did that... pre kodi
[7:18] <[Saint]> Just putting it out here, the "no such thing" part was in reference to you accidentally inventing a raspberrypi model that doesn't exist, AnonRecluse13.
[7:18] <[Saint]> Just sayin', in case that flew over anyone's head.
[7:18] <Zardoz> assuming you ment pi3
[7:18] <[Saint]> One posits.
[7:18] <AnonRecluse13> i meant the pi3 lol
[7:19] <AnonRecluse13> my bad, sorry guys
[7:19] <AnonRecluse13> would have been funny if i said pi4
[7:19] <Zardoz> <---- winner chicken dinner
[7:19] <AnonRecluse13> which, by the time it comes out, will most likely be KICK ASS!
[7:19] <AnonRecluse13> hahaha
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[8:08] <Berg> fish dinner }<fishDINNER((*>
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[9:47] <Moonsilence> Hi! I'm not sure what it's called, but my terminal no longer shows vertical lines etc. in text interfaces, but instead weird characters. Another example is tree... it used to have continous lines, but now its ascii pipes and dashes. Any help?
[9:50] <mlelstv> that depends on your character set.
[9:52] <mlelstv> some DOS codepages have, VT100 has, and Unicode has.
[9:54] <CoJaBo> Either the terminal isn't set to UTF-8, or Termcap or whatever is set wrong
[9:54] <Moonsilence> I used raspi-config to set my locale to en_gb.utf-8 but when I check locale... it's posix everywhere.
[9:54] <Moonsilence> I cant remember ever changing this to posix something.
[9:55] <Moonsilence> yay, exit and relogin helped!
[9:55] <Moonsilence> :)
[9:56] <Moonsilence> Now the lines are fixed...
[9:56] <Moonsilence> good for mc, aptituded etc.
[9:56] <Moonsilence> Thanks!
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[10:00] <odigem> hi
[10:00] <odigem> i want any browser on kodi, its really?
[10:08] <NedScott> I don't understand the question
[10:09] <AiGreek> I think he wants a web browser in Kodi.
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[11:07] <Chunkyz> 'elo
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[11:20] <harha_> 2nd try at installing raspbian lite to my rpi 3...
[11:21] <Chunkyz> harha_, I use to use raspbian lite, didn't like the full. no longer using it, though. MINIBAN is better and faster and even more lightweight.
[11:21] <ShorTie> but you don't install it on the rpi3, you put the image onto a sdcard
[11:21] <Chunkyz> yeah, that.
[11:22] <ShorTie> what seems to be the promblem though ??
[11:22] <Chunkyz> rufus on windows or dd on linux
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[11:24] <harha_> Yes, I'm writing it to the card atm. Chunkyz I'll check out miniban if I can't get this to work. Yesterday I tried and I wanted to use VNC to rdp my pi and after I had all setup and rebooted it no longer was able to connect to my lan network with the ethernet cable. Idk why, could it be because I let a program edit my ~/.Xresources file? I don't know yet what that file consists of... Gotta
[11:24] <harha_> check that. Anyways it's just faster to reinstall all than to try to fix it via cmd since it's headless and switching back and forth with keyboard/display is a pain.
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[11:25] <ShorTie> is vnc gonna work on the light version ??
[11:25] <Chunkyz> what I did was, configured everything; made a backup of the sd card to another sd card so I could tinker with the OS itself. I do a lot of tweaks and it was a pain to keep doing them...
[11:25] <ShorTie> isn't vnc X based and that is what is missing in light
[11:26] <Chunkyz> you can rsync it with rpi clone or win32 disk imager on windows
[11:26] <Chunkyz> it really saves time
[11:26] <Chunkyz> rpi2/3 are pretty much the same and will work on pi2/3
[11:28] <harha_> ShortTie; I forgot to mention that I obviously installed lxde after vncserver and it includes all require x-server stuff and I setup vncserver to run startlxde in the xstartup file. I've done this to my rpi 1 b+ 2 years ago when I used an arch linux image on it and it worked beautifully and vnc was able to produce a really smooth rdp experience when compared to what xrdp gave me.
[11:29] <Chunkyz> archlinux sucks, for me anyway. couldn't OC the sdcard etc
[11:29] <Chunkyz> miniban is great, love it.
[11:30] <Chunkyz> you can still use raspi-config and so on...
[11:30] <Chunkyz> even wifi
[11:30] <[Saint]> It's really odd to hate an OS for something that isn't related to the OS at all.
[11:30] <Chunkyz> [Saint], works fine with debian.
[11:30] <[Saint]> Its identical in _every_ _single_ _distribution_.
[11:30] <Chunkyz> haha doubt it but okay...
[11:31] <[Saint]> Doubt it if you want, but it won't make you right.
[11:31] <Chunkyz> :P
[11:32] <Chunkyz> plus, you tried getting support with alarm? HAHA no thanks.
[11:32] <ShorTie> maybe arch is just to cutting edge for you ??
[11:33] <Chunkyz> what does that mean?
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[11:34] <ShorTie> arch uses all the latest of stuff, where raspbian uses the time tested stuff
[11:34] <[Saint]> I assumed it to be a (nearly) polite way of saying "maybe you should stick to something simpler"
[11:34] <Chunkyz> yeah, they break way too much in arch, software that is. I like "stable"
[11:34] <ShorTie> arch is like expected to have problems
[11:35] <Chunkyz> [Saint], lmao
[11:35] <ShorTie> stable != arch
[11:35] <[Saint]> If you're using Arch and think you can just blindly and carelessly do a full system upgrade, you're gonna find out the hard way reaaaal soon.
[11:35] <Chunkyz> yeah, I don't mind having problems but arch's software may always be up to date but not stable..
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[11:36] <Chunkyz> debian is better, for me anyway.
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[11:36] <Chunkyz> each to their own.
[11:36] <Chunkyz> for the lolz I'm gonna see if [Saint] is right about the sdcard overclocking in arch...
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[11:37] <Chunkyz> every time I've tried, it never worked -.-
[11:37] <Chunkyz> maybe I'm too dumb
[11:37] <Chunkyz> :p
[11:37] <harha_> I used arch on my dedicated server for a little over a year. yolo It was great but I eventually switched back to debian.
[11:37] <[Saint]> It's all GPU driven, and the firmware is the same for every distro.
[11:38] <[Saint]> you never wondered why each distro accepts the exact same set of config paramters?
[11:38] <Chunkyz> nah
[11:38] <Chunkyz> :/
[11:38] <[Saint]> Well, now you know.
[11:38] <Chunkyz> only thing I like about arch is how fast stuff installs lol
[11:38] <Chunkyz> [Saint], thanks
[11:38] <harha_> pacman is great
[11:38] <Chunkyz> yeah
[11:39] <harha_> Ever heard of MSYS2? It's this linux bash shell for windows, it includes pacman and it's own repos. If you need a linux shell on your windows pc I can highly recommend that.
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[11:40] <[Saint]> Canonical's got that market on lock.
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[11:40] <[Saint]> re: native bash in Windows
[11:41] <harha_> Never heard of that but it seems interesting as well, reading an article.
[11:42] <harha_> Good thing that I switched over to win 10 a few weeks ago.
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[11:45] <[Saint]> For varying definitions of "good", yes. :)
[11:45] <[Saint]> side anecdote: 'Filth' is a really really really odd film.
[11:46] <[Saint]> harha_: honestly, when I read the press release, I thought it was Canonical having a laugh.
[11:46] <[Saint]> Then I realized they were actually serious...
[11:46] <harha_> hehe
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[11:47] <harha_> Well, I think it's a great decision for them. Like, why not? Why not make this kind of stuff easy on windows? Bash is great and way more evolved than windows cmd is.
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[11:50] <ShorTie> 99.9% of peeps don't even know what 'windows cmd' is
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[11:55] <iKarith> SDL 1.2 does NOT like it.
[11:55] <iKarith> I'm not terribly fond either, truth be known ;)
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[11:58] <PaulFertser> Hi there. The foundation-built kernels seem to have CONFIG_PM_RUNTIME disabled. Does anyone know the reason for that? I'm specifically looking into enabling usb autosuspend for a gsm/umts module which works nicely on my laptop, what might be the issue with rpi?
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[11:59] <PaulFertser> What would be the gotchas if I recompile the kernel with that option enabled?
[12:00] <ShorTie> CONFIG_PM_RUNTIME is not set
[12:00] <ShorTie> from a config
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[12:01] <PaulFertser> ShorTie: excuse me, but you seem to repeat my original statement without any additional information?
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[12:01] <ShorTie> might be that being set you will loose your sdcard too, since it's on the usb too...
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[12:03] <PaulFertser> ShorTie: excuse me sir, but you must be joking?
[12:04] <ShorTie> Y 4 U say that ??
[12:04] <iKarith> That doesn't sound right ShorTie since the A+ can do USB in gadget mode
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[12:05] <iKarith> that'd be fairly incompatible with USB host mode needed for SD reader.
[12:05] <iKarith> also, the SD appears as /dev/memblk, not /dev/sd as would be expected of a USB storage device.
[12:06] <PaulFertser> ShorTie: /sys/devices/platform/soc/20202000.sdhost/mmc_host/mmc0/mmc0:b15e
[12:06] <PaulFertser> Or check the corresponding dts files...
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[12:08] <iKarith> PaulFertser: I give the standard advice I always give to kernel hacking of any sort: Save a working kernel image and associated files in case you need to restore them, and have a second working machine or boot disk able to do the restoring.
[12:08] <PaulFertser> iKarith: :D
[12:09] <PaulFertser> Come on folks, seriously, why is that option disabled in the official defconfig?
[12:09] <iKarith> PaulFertser: A couple of decades of experience behind that one. ;)
[12:10] <ShorTie> might get more responses on the forums then in here
[12:11] <PaulFertser> Web forums depress me because their usability is worse than of any 20-years old NNTP client.
[12:11] <ShorTie> shiftplusone is about the only 1 in here that might know i think, and he's not here
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[12:12] <gordonDrogon> morning Pi pips.
[12:12] <ShorTie> or try #raspbian, diedrek might know
[12:12] <PaulFertser> ShorTie: how about those nice fellows who help IRC newbs on this channel to adhere to PG13 guidelines? Don't they know?
[12:12] <ShorTie> Good Morning gordonDrogon
[12:13] <Chunkyz> is there a way to add an off/on button to a pi? unplugging the power cord in/out every time to turn it on/off is a pain...
[12:13] <iKarith> if anybody around here would know, shiftplusone is probably your best bet.
[12:13] <tommy``> how can i select all text in a file with nano through putty and paste in pastebin?
[12:13] <ShorTie> nop
[12:14] <PaulFertser> ShorTie: thanks for the link to #raspbian, no kidding.
[12:15] <iKarith> PaulFertser: Most of the folks in this channel use RPi for Kodi and RetroPie. :P A few teachers and students, but usually not deep hardware-level stuff. I can't swing a soldering iron well enough to really poke at hardware myself.
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[12:16] <PaulFertser> iKarith: my advice would be to grab some scrap computer board (e.g. a videocard) and practice with SMD rework. It really doesn't take long to grasp the basics. And no fancy equipment is needed.
[12:16] <iKarith> PaulFertser: That'd be awesome if I could see it.
[12:17] <iKarith> PaulFertser: I will probably never be able to do SMD.
[12:17] <ShorTie> lighted magnifying lights are so nice
[12:17] <iKarith> ShorTie: Magnification isn't Harry Potter.
[12:18] <PaulFertser> iKarith: my coworker (who's in his 50s iirc) also uses additional glasses for soldering, works nicely for him.
[12:18] <iKarith> ShorTie: hint, I use 7x lighted mangification to read a paperback for 5-10 minutes before I start getting headaches.
[12:18] <PaulFertser> Oh
[12:18] <iKarith> Can't fix blind :)
[12:18] <PaulFertser> Then hardware rework should better be left to those who can do it without harming themselves indeed.
[12:19] <iKarith> I can avoid harming myself. The hardware under rework OTOH ...
[12:19] <ShorTie> fyi: compiling a kernel for the pi on a pi takes hours
[12:19] <iKarith> Even on the Pi 3 it sure ain't quick.
[12:19] <PaulFertser> ShorTie: why would anyone do that instead of cross-compiling?
[12:20] * iKarith has been using his Pi 3 as a "primary" desktop at his fiancee's place.
[12:20] <ShorTie> i'm doing right now, thank you very much
[12:20] <iKarith> It still doesn't do youtube well. If paying for a codec fixes that, I'll pay for it.
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[12:21] <PaulFertser> iKarith: have you tried using youtube-dl with suitable -F switch and playing back with a media player?
[12:21] <iKarith> I never got youtube-dl to work right for me
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[12:22] <Chunkyz> iKarith, that's because it's a pile of...
[12:22] <iKarith> Mostly I just try to load them in iceweasel
[12:22] <iKarith> Chunkyz: exactly. ;)
[12:22] <PaulFertser> iKarith: how so, it works just fine unless google breaks youtube again and then the devs fix it in a matter of days and it works nicely again.
[12:22] <Chunkyz> I need go figure out and on/off button :/ anyone?
[12:23] <iKarith> PaulFertser: first of all, it's a script that is packaged that immediately breaks its package upon installation by trying to download a script with a wrong hash.
[12:23] <PaulFertser> Chunkyz: please show the youtube-dl source code that you suspect of being a pile of ellipsis.
[12:23] <iKarith> if the script doesn't download, it blows away the old version for you, without replacing it.
[12:24] <jektrix> i havent updated in a 6 months at least and it still works for me
[12:24] <iKarith> When it replaced the script with an HTML error page, that was amusing.
[12:24] <mlelstv> hmm. youtube-dl seems to work fine here.
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[12:24] <iKarith> I kinda got nervous about using it after that.
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[12:25] <iKarith> Mind you, I haven't tried it since wheezy for that reason.
[12:25] <PaulFertser> Chunkyz: (on/off) button why don't you simply add a regular pushbutton with fixed state?
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[12:26] <Chunkyz> PaulFertser, ?
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[12:28] <PaulFertser> Chunkyz: why do not you add a push-button switch in series with 5V bus that you use to power your RPi if you need a power button?
[12:30] <PaulFertser> Or toggle switch.
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[12:33] <harha_> Installed xorg-server, xfce4, tightvncserver, etc... again... now lets see if this things still reboots...
[12:33] <harha_> YES
[12:33] <harha_> it does
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[12:33] <harha_> wonder what went wrong last time
[12:34] <boxmein> hey how do i power off my pi
[12:34] <boxmein> i've been staring at its power lights for three days now... my pets are begging for food
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[12:36] <boxmein> i'm fiddling with my wire jumper and shorting rx and tx to chat
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[12:36] <GrandPa-G> I am deploying some Pi 3 to people who have no experience with computers. The Pi will have to connect to their Wi-Fi and communicate with the application server I control. The people will not have monitors nor keyboards/mice. All of the Pi systems will have the same setup, probably same image to start. What is the best way to setup the Pi before distribution to insure the Wi-Fi will connect? How do I get the Wi-Fi password set? Is the
[12:36] <GrandPa-G> user going to have to have some type of direct connection? Ideas?
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[12:39] <PaulFertser> GrandPa-G: there's WPS that might work for some wifi setups...
[12:41] <ShorTie> power off a pi, shutdown now -h then unplug
[12:41] <Habbie> GrandPa-G, will they have computers with SD slots?
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[12:46] <GrandPa-G> Habbie: probably not.
[12:48] <Habbie> how about working UTP networking?
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[12:50] <ShorTie> is the wifi gonna be the same for all ??
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[12:53] <GrandPa-G> ShorTie: if you mean the same wifi hardware, yes, the builtin. If you mean all with have the same hotspot access point, definitly not. Just average home user.
[12:54] <ShorTie> ok, same user info is what i ment
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[12:55] <Chunkyz> PaulFertser, I don't know how to solder :(
[12:55] <mfa298> obvious solution would be give them someway to enter the required information (lcd and buttons, or maybe have the pi act as a hotspot initially with a web config to set connection details)
[12:57] <GrandPa-G> mfa298: that is interesting. hmmmmmmmm
[12:58] <ShorTie> wouldn't they need a wire then ??
[12:58] <GrandPa-G> mfa298:If I had the hotspot, what steps would the web config have to do, just thinking out loud.
[12:58] <mlelstv> you could use an unprotected wlan
[12:58] <mfa298> although I'm not sure the Pi3 built in can act as a hotspot yet
[12:59] <Habbie> yes, initial hotspot is a common way
[12:59] <mfa298> GrandPa-G: to some extend thats up to you, a nice option might be if it had scanned the wireless networks so gave the user a list of what they can connect to then let them select the wifi network and enter the password (and optionally ip settings)
[12:59] <GrandPa-G> I see a google post about doing hotspot.
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[13:01] <mfa298> you could also do something similar over wired network (think about how wifi enabled printers etc get setup)
[13:01] <GrandPa-G> mfa298: my research so far seems to make putting password into a wifi configuration a real challenage
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[13:01] <GrandPa-G> mfa298: no guarantee a wired connection available.
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[13:03] <mfa298> I was partly thinking on the same lines for wired, detect if its on a normal network (and act as a dhcp client) or just connected to a PC and act as a dhcp server so they can web in and configure - similar to the wifi scenario)
[13:04] <mfa298> that way you could just connect the Pi into a pc to configure it over wired with no other hardware involved.
[13:05] <harha_> Okhay so installing lxde on raspbian lite breaks my pi's ability to connect to the lan network via ethernet cable... Anyone here has any clue as to why would this happen?
[13:05] <harha_> It's a pi 3
[13:05] <GrandPa-G> mfa298: you mean the pi would be the "router" to the pc for setup purposes?
[13:07] <mfa298> GrandPa-G: effectivly (although can't actually route anything as it won't have a network connection)
[13:08] <mfa298> GrandPa-G: in that setup it would just need a static ip configured on it and a dhcp server to give an ip to the client
[13:08] <mfa298> harha_: if you're installing all that, why not start off with the full raspbian image as that has that installed already
[13:09] <GrandPa-G> mfa298: understood. Would this mean either I need apache or a special http app to communicate with pc? Remember, unknowledgable user
[13:09] <harha_> mfa298; Because it has a lot of stuff I don't want.
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[13:09] <harha_> mfa298; lxde shouldn't break network. Like, why would it...
[13:10] <harha_> No matter what I do, the moment after installing lxde and rebooting pi makes it unavailable to connect to my lan network.
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[13:13] <GrandPa-G> mfa298: I am trying to not load too much stuff on pi if possible, trying to keep resources (cpu..) for dedicated app.
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[13:18] <mfa298> GrandPa-G: you'de need some interface for them to use to configure things (web interface likely beign the easiest)
[13:19] <mfa298> harha_: it shouldn't break things, but I wonder if it would be worth startign with the full image and getting it working, that way you have a basis of how to make it work starting with somethign simpler.
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[13:20] <harha_> mfa298; I already did that and it was easy. That's one odd thing too, seems like the lxde package breaks things.
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[13:20] <harha_> I'm trying snappy ubuntu core now, just out of curiosity. 3rd try
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[13:21] <GrandPa-G> mfa298:so I would first have to discover the ip of the real router (which may not even be on same network). Then connect to it and try to query for password.
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[13:21] <harha_> All I want basicly is a headless pi that I can use using ssh and vnc whenever I want to use the desktop. :D
[13:21] <mfa298> harha_: my guess is that something lxde is pulling in is affecting the network config, presumably somethign related to /etc/network/interfaces or dhcpcd
[13:22] <harha_> yeah probably
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[13:22] <mfa298> GrandPa-G: in the config setup I was thinking of the Pi would just have an IP and dhcp server so you can connect it direct to a PC with no other netwotking involved.
[13:23] <GrandPa-G> mfa298: connecting pi to pc hardwired - does that take a special cable?
[13:23] <mfa298> GrandPa-G: the step up from that would be for it to try being a dhcp client first and see if thre's a router out there it can get an IP from.
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[13:24] <mfa298> GrandPa-G: you may need a crossover patch lead, but most machines should do auto-crossover now (I think it's in the GigE specs so you'd need a very old PC not to have that)
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[13:25] <GrandPa-G> mfa298:agreed. getting IP might not be hard except if it is on a different network mask
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[13:26] <mfa298> GrandPa-G: if it's acting as a dhcp client you get the ip/ netmask/ router information from the dhcp server (usually the router)
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[13:26] <mfa298> if you're running the dhcp server for a direct Pi - PC link you provide the ip/netmask for the client. You may just want to stay away from any network commonly used for home broadband
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[13:28] <GrandPa-G> mfa298: Just to be clear. Once the pi is setup, it will only communicate with outside internet as a headless pi.
[13:28] <mfa298> if you do that maybe choose a random subnet from the 10/8 or 172.16/12 private address range
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[13:29] <mfa298> GrandPa-G: you'd probably want to write some logic around all this so that it only sets up the config networks if it can't connect to a configured wifi network and get internet access.
[13:30] <mfa298> and that logic could work through a set of scenarios (is there working wifi, is there working ethernet, is there any connection on the wired interface etc.) and then run the app or provide a config interface as applicable
[13:31] <GrandPa-G> mfa298: I have to digest all this and think it through. But it is a great idea to start. My biggest problem is getting the pasword of the real router in the configuration. Lots of steps from what I have researched.
[13:32] <mfa298> GrandPa-G: I suspect the easiest way to get the network name & password is to ask the end user which would be the point of having a configuration interface.
[13:33] <GrandPa-G> mfa298: agreed, but I mean once the user tells me all the good poop, then updating the actual config files on the Pi seem a bit of a pain.
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[13:34] <mfa298> you should just have to write out the relevant stuff to wpa_supplicant, network/interfaces and possibly dhcpcd
[13:36] <GrandPa-G> mfa298: of course I wish there was a good one command line tool to do all that!
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[13:38] <mfa298> there are alternate network managment systems that might give you a set of commands to do the config, osmc seems to use something like that internally.
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[13:42] <GrandPa-G> mfa298: thanks for all the ideas. If you have any other thoughts I will be monitoring here. I have to run (literally) but wil be back in an hour.
[13:42] <tommy``> i'm trying to remove owncloud, i've done apt-get remove owncloud, apt-get purge owncloud, apt-get autoremove, but still present, what i've to do now?
[13:42] <Habbie> tommy``, how can you tell it is still present?
[13:42] <tommy``> Habbie: i'm opening my ip/owncloud and i can see it
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[13:42] <Habbie> tommy``, dpkg -l | grep owncloud
[13:43] <Habbie> tommy``, and maybe -carefully- try 'apt-get autoremove'
[13:43] <tommy``> no result of dpkg Habbie
[13:43] <tommy``> http://larfleeze.bounceme.net/owncloud/ <----- still here
[13:45] <Habbie> it seems a bit unhappy though
[13:45] <Habbie> but, if you can find the files on your filesystem
[13:45] <Habbie> or a reference in your apache config
[13:45] <Habbie> maybe you can use dpkg -S to find out what package they are coming from
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[13:46] <GrandPa-G> mfa298:I would have to have initial boot to start dhcp server so pc could connect. But when configured, I would not want dhcp server running else it would conflict with real router dhcp server.
[13:46] <Habbie> GrandPa-G, correct
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[13:47] <tommy``> Habbie: i found it on var/www/owncloud
[13:47] <GrandPa-G> mfa298: I have to think how to get it back again if the setup didn't work so user can start over. Things to think over now.
[13:47] <tommy``> Habbie: i'll do sudo -rmv * on that folder
[13:48] <tommy``> rvf*
[13:48] <mfa298> GrandPa-G: I'd probably remove most of the normal network boot, and replace with something that can setup the right things based on current connectivity
[13:50] <GrandPa-G> mfa298:Of course, should have thought of that idea.
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[13:50] <jrg> blah
[13:50] <jrg> i had to increase the swap file size :/
[13:51] <jrg> seems like bitcoind requires more ram to build than the pi has available
[13:51] <Chunkyz> don't use bitcoin on raspberry then...
[13:51] <mfa298> the other crazy option would be to include an ftdi usb-serial adapter and give them a serial based config system, they they just need to use usb to connect to a pc and use something like putty to talk to the serial port
[13:52] <jrg> Chunkyz: lol. it isn't the ram that's the problem
[13:52] <jrg> it's the SD space
[13:52] <Chunkyz> get a bigger sd card?
[13:52] <jrg> maybe i shoul dhave used something larger than 4GB :)
[13:52] <Chunkyz> 4gb is too low :/
[13:52] <Habbie> isn't the blockchain something like 70gb now?
[13:52] <jrg> yah i might do that.. going to have to image this one and xfer it then growfs
[13:52] <Habbie> 68GB
[13:52] <Habbie> jrg, i understand there are clients that do not need a full copy of the blockchain
[13:52] <jrg> Habbie: i'm using pam_mount to mount smb home dirs to /user/$USER
[13:53] <Habbie> jrg, ah
[13:53] <Habbie> i have /scratch mounted to a NAS, it makes a lot of things easier
[13:53] <Habbie> it's also faster than the SD
[13:53] <jrg> so in this case the blockchain will be on the freenas box
[13:53] <Habbie> ack
[13:53] <jrg> although in hindsight.. i should probably get a bigger sd for this thing
[13:54] <jrg> i figured 4GB was going to be enough. which it would have if i didn't have to increase the swap file size to build bitcoind
[13:54] <Habbie> swap to the nas?
[13:54] <jrg> haha
[13:54] <Habbie> just for the build
[13:54] <Habbie> 30 years ago swapping over network was quite normal
[13:54] <jrg> lol. well i'll see how things go now
[13:54] <jrg> i'll leave the swap size at 1GB until the build is done then drop it a bit later
[13:55] <jrg> /dev/root 3.6G 2.5G 898M 75% /
[13:55] <jrg> i'm just cutting it a bit close
[13:55] <mfa298> jrg: why not just install the packaged version of bitcoind ?
[13:55] <jrg> mfa298: the raspbian packaged vesion is 0.3
[13:55] <Habbie> jrg, i bet there's some stuff you can clean up though
[13:55] <jrg> on the repos
[13:55] <Habbie> apt-get clean, apt-get autoremove (carefully)
[13:56] <jrg> oh you just reminded me
[13:56] <jrg> i have a few pkgs i can autoremove
[13:56] <jrg> that might free up a little bit
[13:56] <jrg> just got 5MB back lol
[13:58] <jrg> i'm guessing i can use dd to just make an img from the SD ?
[13:58] <jrg> then mv it to another SD and rasp-config to growfs
[13:58] <jrg> ?
[13:58] <Habbie> yes
[13:59] <Habbie> that just works
[13:59] <Habbie> well don't mv it
[13:59] <Habbie> also dd it ;)
[13:59] <Habbie> but i think you got that
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[14:00] <jrg> haha. yah.. i'll do that after i'm done with it all to back it up
[14:01] <jrg> been tweaking this ancient pi for a couple of days .. finally have it right where i want it.. all it really needs is bitcoind and then this thing can run forever
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[14:02] <Habbie> i hope it can keep up with the blockchain at all
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[14:03] <jrg> Habbie: well.. a block is update once every few minutes so i don't see that being a problem.. although the initial startup may take some time as it goes through it
[14:03] <jrg> and after that it will struggle a bit to catch up but i'll see if it can handle it
[14:04] <Habbie> indeed
[14:04] <jrg> if it can't ill just build an x64 system instead.. just thought it would be a neat little project if i can get this all working on a pi
[14:04] <Habbie> ye
[14:04] <jrg> i'm coming off my freenas jails until freenas 10 is complete with its docker support
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[14:17] <Tenkawa> hi all
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[14:18] <nsh> pi...bitcoind...run forever
[14:18] <nsh> if only :)
[14:19] <Habbie> nsh, why not?
[14:19] <nsh> blockchain grows indefinitely. unless forever means continuously upgrading SD card reader firmware so you can still fit blocks somewhere :)
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[14:19] <nsh> (you could run a Simple Payment Verification node indefinitely though)
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[14:20] <Encrypt> nsh, I've heard about an option which allows you to keep the last X blocks
[14:20] <Encrypt> With bitcoin-qt though
[14:20] <Tenkawa> interesting
[14:21] <Tenkawa> any of you using gcc6 much yet?
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[14:26] <Habbie> i got a pull request for gcc 6.1 support in powerdns/boost last week
[14:26] <Habbie> so somebody is ;)
[14:29] <Zardoz> blah....
[14:30] <harha_> Finally got rdp working... and it's quite smooth. Rpi 3
[14:30] <harha_> http://i.imgur.com/Eqj9djN.png
[14:30] <Zardoz> sorry for mu coment. hope everone is having a good day...
[14:30] <Zardoz> nice desktop you have :P
[14:30] <AnonRecluse13> hey guys
[14:31] <AnonRecluse13> is it true that the new rpi3 could be powerful enough to replace a desktop?
[14:31] <Zardoz> AnonRecluse13: I can in some ways,
[14:31] <Habbie> AnonRecluse13, many people have done so with older pis even
[14:31] <AnonRecluse13> i am very much considering building a pi-top with a pi3 in it to replace my netbook, but i have heard that the browsing speeds will not be as good compared to the netbook.
[14:31] <Habbie> AnonRecluse13, try it?
[14:32] <Zardoz> <--- has not touch PC in 2 weeks
[14:32] <AnonRecluse13> Habbie, so all i can do is buy the kit, build the pi-top and try it?
[14:32] <Habbie> AnonRecluse13, hmm?
[14:32] <AnonRecluse13> lol
[14:33] <AnonRecluse13> im asking for any opinions before i go ahead with it
[14:33] <AnonRecluse13> the parts needed to make it basically a fully functioning laptop are around $950 AUD
[14:33] <AnonRecluse13> its a fair chunk for cash to part with, dont you think?
[14:33] <Habbie> that's a lot of money
[14:33] <Habbie> but
[14:33] <Habbie> do you have a pi3 already?
[14:33] <AnonRecluse13> indeed
[14:34] <AnonRecluse13> not yet
[14:34] <Habbie> if you do have hdmi+keyboard you could buy the pi3 (that's not a big chunk) and try browsing for a bit
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[14:34] * Tenkawa doesnt even have a pc anymore
[14:34] <Zardoz> browsing is the worse on pi
[14:34] <AnonRecluse13> from what i have "READ" on various Linux/Slackware forums, it should be even better than a netbook, once setup is completed.
[14:35] <AnonRecluse13> browsing on the pi3 would be good though right Zardoz?
[14:35] * Tenkawa only uses arm boxes and some tablets
[14:35] <Zardoz> AnonRecluse13: not really I fnd it lacking, but it works
[14:35] <AnonRecluse13> yeah, im gonna buy 3 pi's, 2 for OSMC/ Rapid IPTV/Kodi through the TV's and 1 for the pi top.
[14:36] <Habbie> AnonRecluse13, i'm reading USD299.99, you appear to be quoting almost double
[14:36] <Zardoz> it can be done...
[14:36] <AnonRecluse13> i am Australian, exchange rates dude
[14:37] <Habbie> AnonRecluse13, that's why i specify USD
[14:37] <AnonRecluse13> for the kit alone, it would cost me USD520, including postage
[14:37] <AnonRecluse13> last time i checked it did
[14:37] <Habbie> so posting is almost half of the cost?
[14:37] <Habbie> just trying to understand
[14:38] <Zardoz> https://imgur.com/a/K1zyL <----my pi3 desktop
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[14:42] <tommy``> awesome Zardoz
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[14:43] <Zardoz> zsh+ohmyzsh+tmux
[14:44] <Zardoz> if your in to the term/shell thing...
[14:45] <Zardoz> going to a maker fair today... hope that will be cool. it should be...
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[14:52] <jrg> g++: internal compiler error: Killed (program cc1plus)
[14:52] <jrg> Please submit a full bug report,
[14:52] <jrg> blah
[14:52] <jrg> guess that didn't work :/
[14:53] <Habbie> jrg, what didn't?
[14:54] <jrg> building bitcoind
[14:54] <Habbie> with networked swap?
[14:54] <jrg> Makefile:5676: recipe for target 'bitcoind-bitcoind.o' failed
[14:54] <Habbie> what pi is this, by the way?
[14:54] <jrg> i don't think it was that.. i think it was just a build failure
[14:55] <Habbie> can you show me the full make output?
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[14:56] <jrg> ok. but there isn't much to it
[14:57] <jrg> http://pastie.org/10829134
[14:57] <Habbie> anything in dmesg?
[14:57] <jrg> doubt it
[14:57] <jrg> it's just a build break
[14:57] <Habbie> btw, line 16 is weird after line 11
[14:57] <Habbie> are you building with make -j or something?
[14:57] <jrg> oh.....
[14:58] <jrg> [ 4959.340558] Out of memory: Kill process 14881 (cc1plus) score 251 or sacrifice child
[14:58] <jrg> [ 4959.340576] Killed process 14881 (cc1plus) total-vm:362784kB, anon-rss:145892kB, file-rss:60kB
[14:58] <Habbie> there we go
[14:58] <jrg> ah... geuss that will do it lol
[14:58] <jrg> didn't know dmesg actually took note of out of memory errors
[14:58] <Habbie> :)
[14:58] <jrg> damn that sucks. i gave it 1GB of swap heh
[14:58] <jrg> figured that would be enough
[14:58] <Habbie> but
[14:58] <Habbie> it is building two things in parallel
[14:58] <Habbie> you don't want that
[14:58] <jrg> yah... i was just following the instructions
[14:58] <jrg> heh
[14:59] <jrg> ok. i'll do it without the threading and see what happens after closing everything else
[15:00] <Habbie> :)
[15:00] <Habbie> i'm trying here meanwhile
[15:02] <jrg> http://raspnode.com/diyBitcoin.html
[15:02] <jrg> is what i'm going off of
[15:02] <jrg> i might try the 0.12 branch later but for now i'm going to try 0.11
[15:02] <Habbie> why 0.11?
[15:03] <jrg> because bitcoin-ncurses has issues with 0.12
[15:03] <Habbie> ah
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[15:03] <Habbie> that howto mentions dropping the -j2 by the way :)
[15:04] <jrg> yah lol.. i just noticed that
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[15:07] <AnonRecluse13> well, on the pi site, the kit is USD264.99 + USD55 for postage
[15:07] <AnonRecluse13> sorry i took a while, was reading a bit of the "Australian version of the financial times" newspaper
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[15:08] <AnonRecluse13> with the pi3 it is USD300 + 55 postage for me
[15:08] <Habbie> so that's 480 AUD
[15:08] <Habbie> unless i'm very confused
[15:09] <AnonRecluse13> yeah, thats 480 AUD for just the kit and postage
[15:09] <AnonRecluse13> its cheaper for me to buy the 3 pi's here from an electronics retailer
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[15:09] <Habbie> sure
[15:09] <AnonRecluse13> then a real time clock
[15:10] <Habbie> yeah i've missed the rtc in the pi
[15:10] <AnonRecluse13> which is AUD20
[15:10] <Habbie> not a lot though
[15:10] <AnonRecluse13> then a 200GB Sandisk Ultra Micro SDXC, which is AUD300
[15:10] <Habbie> ah
[15:10] <Habbie> now it' starting to make sense to me :)
[15:10] <AnonRecluse13> oh, and postage on top of that too
[15:10] <AnonRecluse13> haha
[15:11] <Habbie> at least postage on those won't be 50 bucks
[15:11] <Habbie> isn't usb storage cheaper?
[15:11] <AnonRecluse13> yeah, that im happy about
[15:11] <Habbie> i bet you could stash a stick in that rail on the back
[15:11] <jrg> $264?!
[15:12] <jrg> how much are those being sold for? for that much you can get an intel heh
[15:12] <AnonRecluse13> yea, without the pi it is 264
[15:12] <jrg> without the pi??
[15:12] <Habbie> that sd is 125AUD here
[15:12] <jrg> what are yo ulooking at?
[15:12] <Habbie> that's rough
[15:12] <AnonRecluse13> its a kit to build a pi top
[15:12] <AnonRecluse13> http://pi-top.com/buy/pi-top
[15:13] <jrg> oh lol
[15:13] <Habbie> and 128gb is like half that price
[15:13] <AnonRecluse13> its USD300 with the pi included, i know its not cheap, but, i think it will be worth it once its completed.
[15:13] <AnonRecluse13> yeah, but i would rather 200GB
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[15:14] <AnonRecluse13> my old netbook had 256GB Samsung EVO SSD, that was pretty dope
[15:14] <AnonRecluse13> the Sandisk Ultra micro sdxc will shit on that lol
[15:14] <Habbie> in performance? i doubt it
[15:15] <jrg> ok. that thing is pretty neat
[15:15] <AnonRecluse13> what are the read/write speeds of the Samsung EVO?
[15:15] <AnonRecluse13> i sold the one i had
[15:16] <AnonRecluse13> sandisk ultra is class 10 :)
[15:16] <jrg> i'm surprised the batery life is so low
[15:16] <jrg> must have quite a small battery
[15:16] <AnonRecluse13> 90MB/s read speed
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[15:17] <AnonRecluse13> yeah, apparently there are some problems with some models not charging after a while unless plugged in to the power all the time
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[15:17] <jrg> pi-topOS heh
[15:17] <AnonRecluse13> i think it might be a hardware problem :(
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[15:18] <AnonRecluse13> lol, i know
[15:18] <mfa298> jrg: reading back a bit, dmesg should log if the kernel kills processes for out of memory (as in your example) it wont lot if the program crashes out itself due to lack of memory
[15:18] <AnonRecluse13> would undoubtedly run Slackware on it :)
[15:18] <jrg> well it's pretty much just a cheap chinese laptop enclosure
[15:18] <AnonRecluse13> yeah, it basically is.
[15:18] <jrg> it's a pretty cool idea whtho
[15:19] <AnonRecluse13> when they eventually let you 3D print your own with colors, that will be freakin' sweet
[15:19] <jrg> too bad the battery life is only 11hrs.. you'd think with an arm and that amount of space...
[15:19] <jrg> you can put a huge battery in it
[15:19] <AnonRecluse13> i agree
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[15:20] <AnonRecluse13> its modular, so im not sure if they will ever change it
[15:20] <AnonRecluse13> i mean the battery life times and so on
[15:20] <jrg> a pi based laptop should last like.... 100 hours :)
[15:20] <Habbie> mfa298, how can a program crash out itself due to lack of memory?
[15:20] <AnonRecluse13> hardware wise, the case is modular, sorry lol
[15:20] <AnonRecluse13> lol, jrg, it technically should :)
[15:21] <AnonRecluse13> would be cool if they did
[15:21] <jrg> well.. batteries... are heavy
[15:21] <jrg> lots of extra weight o ship from china
[15:21] <jrg> *to
[15:21] <SpeedEvil> The Pi is not particularly low power.
[15:21] <mfa298> Habbie: if it calls something like malloc which fails (could lead to segfault if the coder didn't handle it, or program exit if the coder handled it and decided to exit as a result)
[15:21] <Habbie> mfa298, like that
[15:21] <Habbie> mfa298, malloc basically doesn't fail in 2016
[15:22] <SpeedEvil> The screen will want most of the power.
[15:22] <AnonRecluse13> im not sure of the weight of the pi-top with all the components in it, but i think they based it on portability and the most battery life it could give
[15:22] <jrg> SpeedEvil: a bit better than most mobile x64s
[15:22] <Habbie> mfa298, kernel assumes every program is full of nonsense and is not going to use most of the memory it asks for
[15:22] <Habbie> mfa298, but yes, a program aborting neatly due to malloc refusing would not show up in dmesg
[15:22] <AnonRecluse13> its actually fairly decent battery life considering it is basically a portable raspberry pi 3
[15:22] <SpeedEvil> jrg: Though I note that it's x32 at the moment
[15:23] <jrg> SpeedEvil: yah .. didn't think about that
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[15:24] <mfa298> Habbie: if it segfaults due to the program trying to store data in NULL it'll probably not sure up in dmesg either. You may get something similar if you filled up stack space, although I'm not sure how easy that is to acheive.
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[15:25] <Habbie> mfa298, just tested that, indeed does not end up in my dmesg
[15:25] <Habbie> mfa298, assigning to NULL i mean
[15:25] <Habbie> doesn't end up in any logfile either
[15:25] <Habbie> surprises me a bit
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[15:26] <mfa298> it may end up as a segfault at some point, of course any good coder would follow the malloc call (or similar) with a suitable check that it did the right thing
[15:26] <Habbie> yes
[15:26] <Habbie> assigning to NULL is an immediate segfault
[15:26] <Habbie> but no logging indeed
[15:27] <mfa298> at which point you enable core dump files and coredump + gdb is your logging
[15:27] <Habbie> ye
[15:27] <Habbie> i wish core dumps were enabled by default in general
[15:29] <mfa298> I can understand why they're not. My homedir used to be cluttered with core files filling it up from random program crashes (this was 10+ years ago)
[15:29] <Habbie> hehe
[15:29] <Habbie> well you can put them in a tmp-like dir with a cleanup cron
[15:29] <Habbie> this should be default ;)
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[15:33] <jrg> well at least bitcoind showed me the error lol
[15:33] <jrg> i'm still surprised it failed even with the 1GB of swap
[15:34] <jrg> it's filling it back up
[15:34] <jrg> Swap: 999M 210M 789M
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[15:48] <GrandPa-G> mfa298: I came back. If you remember our conversation - if the user's pc is normally on a net of and it setup up pi dhcp server on, will the pc ever get a lease ip?
[15:49] <jrg> nice. it got past bitcoin.o
[15:49] <jrg> looks like this may actually work heh
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[15:51] <curlyears> greetings. Query: where do you guys find decnet pricing on SDHC cards?
[15:51] <curlyears> s/decnet/decent/
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[15:53] * curlyears wonders when Pi0s will actually be available again
[15:54] <curlyears> if ever
[15:54] <curlyears> hello?
[15:55] <curlyears> man, freenode channels are dead quiet today...maybe because it's Sunday morning?
[15:55] <Lartza> It's sunday afternoon here though
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[15:56] <Lartza> I'd just get SDHC cards from your local sellers, it's not like they should be expensive
[15:56] <Lartza> And ebay/china are almost certainly fake and/or malfunctioning ones
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[16:00] <curlyears> problem is I am 64, disabled, and don't drive. No easy way to get to a localdealer, online is usually much easier
[16:00] <Lartza> Local online dealer then?
[16:01] <Lartza> Usually fits an envelope
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[16:01] <Habbie> curlyears, in what country are you looking for cards?
[16:01] <Lartza> Or like, not sure what country
[16:01] <curlyears> I found an 8GB card at tigerdirect.com, but they wanted $14 shioping, SCREW THAT!
[16:01] <Habbie> dx.com has free shipping but takes a month
[16:01] <Habbie> and quality is variable
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[16:02] <Habbie> aliexpress too
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[16:02] <curlyears> there are no "local" online dealers in this town. A hick town with delusions of being a medium sized city
[16:02] <curlyears> Lincoln, Nebraska
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[16:11] <Lartza> Don't you have like a million stores in US though
[16:12] <Lartza> amazon, newegg, bestbuy
[16:12] <Lartza> I don't know which store chains do mail deliveries but
[16:12] <Lartza> Going dx or aliexepress is exactly what you don't want to do
[16:12] <jrg> blah
[16:12] <jrg> [10032.308502] Out of memory: Kill process 19015 (cc1plus) score 254 or sacrifice child
[16:12] <jrg> [10032.308521] Killed process 19015 (cc1plus) total-vm:357208kB, anon-rss:156516kB, file-rss:104kB
[16:12] <jrg> died again
[16:12] <jrg> starting to think this isn't possible
[16:12] <Lartza> jrg, What are you compiling?
[16:12] <jrg> bitcoin
[16:13] <Lartza> Uh why
[16:13] <jrg> to run on it lol
[16:13] <daey> to make mad buxx
[16:13] <daey> to buy more raspberries. to make even more buxx
[16:13] <daey> what a question
[16:13] <Lartza> You do know you need like tens of gigabytes of storage on the Pi?
[16:14] <Lartza> iirc
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[16:14] <Lartza> And that it won't mine any bitcoins in forever
[16:14] <Lartza> And that you can use lighter options if you just want a wallet
[16:14] <jrg> Lartza: the blockchain is on a smb share that is automounted using pam_mount into /home/$USER
[16:14] <curlyears> yeah, Pis are nnowehere near fast enough too mine for bitcoins
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[16:15] <Lartza> Even desktop computers aren't so yeah
[16:15] <Lartza> Totally not fast enough
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[16:16] <curlyears> no, you need a highend graphics card that allows floating point processing to be done on it, minmum, and oreferably a large mutli-processing system
[16:16] <Lartza> That's not enough nowadays though
[16:16] <Lartza> You use ASIC hardware miners
[16:16] <Lartza> Why do you need to compile bitcoin, why not install a distro package?
[16:17] <curlyears> no over time, creating bitcoins become more and more difficult and timeconsuming, because there is a limited number possible, and mining is essentially searching for one's that haven't been found yet
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[16:18] <jrg> the raspbian distro pkg is 0.3.x
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[16:18] <jrg> i don't know of any other repo that would have the pi build for it
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[16:18] <Lartza> debian sid
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[16:18] <curlyears> it would probably require YEARS of 24/7 computation to mine a bitcoin on a Pi
[16:19] <Lartza> More like a few thousand years but yeah
[16:21] <curlyears> Lartza: you COULD get lucky and find one immediately, but the odds of that happening are astronomically low
[16:21] <Lartza> Yeah, maybe shave a few thousand years of only needing hundreds ;)
[16:21] <curlyears> jrg: there would be thousands of people making big bucks with it, if that were possible
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[16:23] <shauno> most miners entirely abandon a platform once its yield doesn't cover the electricity bill. pi is long gone past that.
[16:23] <curlyears> the weakness of the bitcoin system is that the developer didn't correctly anticipate the popularity of it, and there aren't enough possible bitcoins to go around.
[16:24] <curlyears> I doubt anyone has ever succeeded in minig a bitcoin with a Pi
[16:24] <mfa298> GrandPa-G: you configure the dhcp server to offer addresses in the same range as you put on the pi. The PC should do dhcp requests when it detects the link going up.
[16:24] <shauno> the model b (the single-core one) was rated at 0.2MHash/sec. current asic miners are at 5-7,000,000 MHash/sec. it's frankly silly heh
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[16:25] <curlyears> I have a Pi2 Model B+ and a Pi3 Model B
[16:26] <curlyears> @1.2Ghz, it sould be about like using a lowend, slow laptop
[16:26] <curlyears> s/sould/should/
[16:26] <Chunkyz> curlyears, my pi 2/3 I use as a desktop. both are fast...
[16:27] <Chunkyz> my pi 2 is a znc for irc and my pi 3 IS my desktop.
[16:27] <Chunkyz> web browsing, downloading, movies etc.
[16:28] <curlyears> Chunkyz: my desktop is a 3.6Ghz eight core AMD64 w/24GB RAM and 3.5 TB HDD. Compared to that, a 1.2 Ghz Pi3 willl be glacially slow
[16:28] <shauno> honestly, I have my doubts whether asic miners are really cost effective either. but a pi .. the only time I've seen them used is with an asic miner plugged in the usb
[16:29] <curlyears> not to mentionn starved for RAM and storage
[16:29] <curlyears> can you use largere than 8GB SDHC on the Pis?
[16:30] <Chunkyz> I have a 32gb sdcard my both my pi's
[16:30] <curlyears> thanks, Chunkyz
[16:30] <Chunkyz> curlyears, I'm sure your system uses a lot of electric, too. even more so being amd.
[16:30] <Chunkyz> mine uses next to nothing and /does/ what my desktop does.
[16:31] <curlyears> 32GB is so much better than my first Winblows PC, a 50Mhc 80486-DX w/4 MB of ram and 35MB of HDD.
[16:31] <Chunkyz> all down to personal preference though.
[16:31] <Chunkyz> haha
[16:31] <Chunkyz> :p
[16:32] <curlyears> Chunkyz, I don't pay for the electricity I use, but the system typically dissipate around 350W, so.
[16:32] <curlyears> I have that mcuh computer to provide support for m y 3D printer. Need to do 3D CAD and slicing, gcode generation, and control the printer with it
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[16:32] <Chunkyz> :P
[16:33] <curlyears> Chunkyz, back in the day, that was a high end system
[16:33] <Chunkyz> like everything....
[16:33] <curlyears> yeah.
[16:34] <curlyears> I predict with 5 years we'll see 256 bit systems w/1+ Thz clocking, gigabytes of RAN and petabytes of storage in a desktop system
[16:36] <curlyears> I love showing my Pi to people and describing the specs and price to them. Non-computer types can't believe iy
[16:36] <Habbie> not sure 256 bit is happening to be frank
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[16:36] <Habbie> do we really have a lot of use for numbers that big?
[16:36] <curlyears> Habbie: and why not?
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[16:37] <curlyears> Habbie: some users do, not all ,, of course. The average PC user doesn't need 64 bits, for that matter
[16:37] <Habbie> well, 64 bits really makes memory management easier
[16:37] <Habbie> 256 bits won't usefully improve on that
[16:38] <Habbie> as for clocking, the trend is more cores, not higher clocks
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[16:38] <curlyears> no, but it will extend the mathematical range at reaasonable spped. Multi-precicion arithmetic is a time hog. Just ask phyicists and astronomers
[16:39] <Habbie> longer floats might be interesting, yes
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[16:39] <curlyears> Habbie: trtue, at this point, but that is because clocks have gone as high as they can with current semiconductor technologies
[16:39] <Habbie> yes
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[16:39] <curlyears> \newer technologies will raide that restriciton
[16:40] <mfa298> curlyears: growth of hard drive sizes seem to be slowing down, at least if you want cheap GB/$ with any performance.
[16:40] <curlyears> Terahertz research is going wild, these days.
[16:41] <mfa298> we're at a point they've pretty much reached the limits of current tech so something new is needed (currently some are moving to SMR which is slow)
[16:42] <curlyears> mfa298: just read a technical. article about some researchers havingf successfully created 5 nanometer permanent magnets with performance comparable to rare earth magnets. That will really open up the technology for high density hard drives
[16:43] <curlyears> the probelm with ihgher density drives is they need magnetic domains smaller than current technology can create magnetic particles to coat the drive surfaces with, thus thhis new breakthrough shouold shatter the current ceiling
[16:44] <curlyears> SMR?
[16:44] <mfa298> I'm not sure the magnetic particle size is the issue currently, more the area the write head affects (which is how SMR gets some space improvements)
[16:45] <mfa298> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shingled_magnetic_recording
[16:45] <curlyears> new head technnologies will come along now that such small domains are possible.
[16:47] <shauno> long time since I've seen anyone get excited about harddrives. seeing gains in bang-per-buck in ssd seems a lot more interesting
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[16:48] <curlyears> mfa298, very interesting, elimates the unused surface area between the tracks, thus upping overall capacity
[16:48] <curlyears> shauno: ture. but multi-TB ssds are likely to be large and expensive
[16:48] <mfa298> SSD seems to be the way it's going for most people and hopefully that will have improving capacities and GB/$ still
[16:49] <curlyears> I missed out o a chance to get a 960GB SSD for $247 last year )-:
[16:49] <shauno> sure. multi-TB anything used to be large and expensive. these things have a habit of changing
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[16:49] <curlyears> great price, I just didn't have the moeny for it at the time
[16:50] <mfa298> curlyears: the downside of SMR is you can't randomly write blocks on the disk so with traditional filesystems and the only current SMR drives they very slow (7MB/s write compared to 70-100MB/s for normal spinning disks)
[16:50] <curlyears> you can stuff a LOT of flash MEMROY IN THE ENVELOPE OF A 3.5" hdd, TO BE SURE
[16:50] <curlyears> OOPS, SOWWY
[16:51] <Chunkyz> windows 10 sucks >.>
[16:51] <gordonDrogon> good job this is a raspberry pi channel then :)
[16:52] <Chunkyz> haha yeah
[16:52] <gordonDrogon> although there is W10 IoT on the Pi ... but ...
[16:52] <curlyears> mfa298, true. If you NEED the cpacity, though, you just might ne willing to compromise on write speeds, especially a database work, where reading MASSIVELY overshadows writing requests
[16:52] <Chunkyz> gordonDrogon, ^ aren't really "on" topic are they, 256bit systems etc....:/
[16:53] <curlyears> Hey! 4 Pi3s sitting side by side on a desktop *ARE* a 256 bit system! *duck and run*
[16:53] <gordonDrogon> it's a funny old world.
[16:54] <gordonDrogon> I worked on systems where the memory bus was 128 bits wide some 20 years ago. the scrual core was 32 bits, but each memory read and cache fill cycle read 128 bits at a time.
[16:54] <gordonDrogon> er, s/scrual/actual/
[16:54] <Chunkyz> curlyears, lol
[16:54] * curlyears wonders if 1.2Ghz, and 1GB of RAM are enough to run a successfulk voice controlled application under linux
[16:54] <Chunkyz> anyway, off to fix winblows. see ya. XD
[16:55] <gordonDrogon> curlyears, well - considering that I sawa that being done on a 1Mhz, 48KB system 30 years ago, I should think; yes.
[16:55] <plugwash> <curlyears> no, but it will extend the mathematical range at reaasonable spped. Multi-precicion arithmetic is a time hog. Just ask phyicists and astronomers
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[16:55] <curlyears> gordonDrogon, sure, but those weren't desktopsystems
[16:55] <gordonDrogon> curlyears, it was - an Apple II.
[16:56] <gordonDrogon> admittedly it was a learn/repeat system rather then general purpose decode and interpret though.
[16:56] <gordonDrogon> however it's been a long long time to go from that system to todays system - I always wonder what happened in those 30 years..
[16:56] <plugwash> larger-than native integer arithmetic shouldn't be a massive deal, most CPUs have an "add with carry" or similar instructution. What *is* a time hog is trying to do quad precision floating point or similar on a core that doesn't have hardware support for it.
[16:56] <curlyears> sonce whhen was an Apple pre-Macintosh 32 bits?
[16:57] <gordonDrogon> they weren't. The Apple II is 8-bits.
[16:57] <gordonDrogon> although the //gs is 16.
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[16:57] <curlyears> gordonDrogon, [precisely. An 6502 architecture, which sucked forgeneral purpose computing
[16:58] <gordonDrogon> 30 years ago it was the biz, as it were. try telling that to the millions of people using visicalc.
[16:58] <curlyears> the //gs and the SApple 3 were never successfully marketed
[16:59] <curlyears> by 1980 there were conssumer level machines being sold that offered 8Nhz 16/32 bit computing
[16:59] <gordonDrogon> yea, the /// was a pig, hardware wise.
[16:59] <curlyears> in my opinion, so was the 68K based Macintosh, even though I was a big fan of the 68K itself
[16:59] <gordonDrogon> my issue is that in those 30 years I reall do not think things like speech recognition & processing have advanced as much as I feel they ought to have done.
[17:00] <gordonDrogon> computers, memory, speeds, etc. yes, but the actual software... not really sure.
[17:00] <curlyears> gordonDrogon, true, but that is a software issue, not a hardware issue
[17:00] <gordonDrogon> indeed.
[17:00] <curlyears> JMOP, gordonDrogon
[17:01] <curlyears> JASMOP
[17:02] <curlyears> (Just A Small Matter Of Programming)
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[17:02] <curlyears> I wonder if a 3D CAD program would run well enough on a Pi to be usable? I'll have to try that
[17:03] <gordonDrogon> again, when I wur a lad ...
[17:03] <gordonDrogon> :)
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[17:03] <curlyears> awww, you were never a "lad" gordonDrogon *grin*
[17:03] <gordonDrogon> once upon a time ...
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[17:04] <curlyears> in 1980, I had a 68K based, 768Kbyte Unix-like machine, the TRS-80 Model 16
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[17:05] <gordonDrogon> tricky. I was at uny then with little money with access to all their funky toys though.
[17:06] <curlyears> Xenix, from The Santa Cruz Operation, which got aborbed by Mickey$hit
[17:06] <gordonDrogon> family friendly channel, remember ...
[17:06] <curlyears> gordonDrogon, I couldn't have afforded it. AN employer/friend had it, and he died. and i inhereted it. Lucky for me, sucked for him.
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[17:07] <gordonDrogon> there is that.
[17:07] <digitalmouse> greetings, programs!
[17:07] <gordonDrogon> I used to help someone who was bedridden and he died about then an I got his Apple II.
[17:07] <curlyears> programs?
[17:08] <curlyears> This guy was in his mid-60s, and developed lung cancer. which took him dwiftly. Heavy smoker. )-:
[17:08] <curlyears> I had been wondering when ARM would actually release a 64 bit design. *heh*
[17:09] <curlyears> I need to go to arm.com and study the architecture of the chip, see how much of it is just extended from 32 bits to 64
[17:10] <gordonDrogon> not looked at arm architecture since I had one of the early acorn Arc computers.
[17:10] <curlyears> anyone have any information on when Pi0s will become available again? (of if?)
[17:10] <curlyears> gordonDrogon, sure you have. Raspberries are ARM based.
[17:11] <curlyears> s/of/if/
[17:11] <gordonDrogon> right, but I've still not looked at the architecture. as in the instruction set, etc.
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[17:11] <curlyears> gordon; ahhh...
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[17:11] <shauno> nothing's changed yet with the zero. they're still doing the weekly releases to their chosen retailers
[17:12] <digitalmouse> stick with Python, keep your brain safe from ARM op-codes! :)
[17:12] <curlyears> i know some people will hate me for saying so, but in my opinion the ARM instruction set was designed to primarily support programming in higher levellanguages. The assembly language is NOT user friendly, in my view
[17:12] <gordonDrogon> Python? I program in BASIC.
[17:13] <plugwash> There is a big batch of zeros currently working it's way through the production pipeline. I don't think i'm allowed to say more than that.
[17:13] <digitalmouse> well i meant that if you are using a Pi, then Python is 'built in' so-to-speak.
[17:13] <curlyears> shauno, what does one have to do, order from a backorded dealer, and just wait?
[17:13] <plugwash> and of course noone knows whether said big batch will turn out to be big enough
[17:13] <gordonDrogon> digitalmouse, you can say that about all Linux platforms, but my Pi's do not have Python installed.
[17:13] <curlyears> I prefer C (not C++)
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[17:13] <shauno> curlyears, seems mostly a case of catching the retailers at the right times. I picked one up from thepihut on wednesday
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[17:13] <gordonDrogon> my BASIC interpreter is written in C.
[17:13] <digitalmouse> gordonDrogon: then you must have un-installed it?
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[17:14] <gordonDrogon> digitalmouse, absolutely.
[17:14] <curlyears> what is thepihut?
[17:14] <digitalmouse> ah.. well to each their own! :)
[17:14] <gordonDrogon> I have no need for Python. it's as simple as that. no other reason.
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[17:14] <gordonDrogon> it really doesn't interest me in the slightest.
[17:14] <shauno> while they have limited production they're using 4 retailers. micromart & adafruit in the US, and thepihut & pimoroni in the UK
[17:14] <shauno> each one receiving tock on alternate weeks
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[17:15] <curlyears> digitalmouse, it isn't necessary to uninstall python to use another language (and if you're running a linux distro, it's highly undesireable, as many installers are written in python)
[17:15] <shauno> they've said on the forums they're ramping up now that pi3 production is less of a panic. but since thepihut had stock a few weeks ago, the previous arrangement appears to be still in effect
[17:16] <digitalmouse> i stopped using BASIC in the 80's, stopped using PHP regularly in 2007-ish, and now just slug out machine-connected web-accessible applications in Javascript/Node or Python... just easier that way.. and pays the bills nicely. :)
[17:16] <digitalmouse> then again, i'm only 48 :P
[17:16] <curlyears> adafruit gets some? I gurss i'll go try adafruit then. I have never dealt with them before, thought they wwere stricly arduino oriented
[17:17] <GrandPa-G> are you folks talking about pi 3 availablity, got in late on conversation
[17:17] <daveake> zero
[17:17] <GrandPa-G> just wondered.
[17:17] <digitalmouse> curlyears: yeah adafruit is pretty good about it... i ordered one for my dad last x-mas, was backordered, but got shipped 2 weeks later, in time for holidays
[17:17] <curlyears> GrandPa-G, np, Pi0 availability
[17:17] <shauno> I haven't seen availablility issues with the pi3
[17:18] <daveake> Eben said a few weeks ago that they were about to make a large batch of the new slightly modified zero
[17:18] <digitalmouse> 'slightly' ?
[17:18] <daveake> I guess we can't be far away from those hitting the sellers
[17:18] <curlyears> sparkfun had a 64GB SDHC I wanted for $14.40, but when I tried to oreder it, it was backordered )-:
[17:18] <daveake> slightly
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[17:19] <daveake> a much-requested new feature
[17:19] <shauno> yeah, they still haven't said what slightly is. just that it did require firmware changes, and is "zero cost"
[17:19] <curlyears> digitalmouse, infant\
[17:20] <curlyears> the avaailability of the Pi0 makes the use of 8 bit embedded controllers almost irrelevant.
[17:20] <gordonDrogon> would have to trawl through hte forums to find out what most people said they wanted most on the zero...
[17:20] <digitalmouse> but wise beyond my years, curlyears ! :P
[17:21] <gordonDrogon> curlyears, not quite - there is still space for ultra low-power things - and real time control is still sometimes easier on a fully static system.
[17:21] <digitalmouse> hmm do we know what kind of much requested feature? or do i have to flex my google-fu to find out?
[17:21] * curlyears slaps digitalmouse around with a wet trout
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[17:21] <Habbie> curlyears, re controllers, there are still interesting things happening, like the esp8266
[17:21] <Habbie> curlyears, costs about half of a zero and comes with wifi
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[17:21] <curlyears> gordonDrogon, : I *DID* qualify that wiuth "almost"
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[17:22] <mfa298> digitalmouse: Unicorns seemed to be the favourite idea on the forums. (other possible candidates seem to be audio output or csi connector)
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[17:23] <digitalmouse> ooooh audio output gets my vote, although i thought audio was included on the HDMI port?
[17:23] <Habbie> extracting it from hdmi involves a device more expensive than the zero
[17:23] <Habbie> if your target is not a tv
[17:23] <digitalmouse> hm good point
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[17:25] <curlyears> hmm... $6.95 is more thsan the Pi0 by $1.95, not half the cost\
[17:26] <digitalmouse> but faster than waiting for the additional change to the next generation of Pi0 board, and useful for your existing Pi0
[17:26] <curlyears> but it does look amazing. It seems to be a wifi module, though, I don't see a general purpose embedded processor there
[17:26] <digitalmouse> unless carving up your Pi0 is an option, to add the feature yourself
[17:27] <curlyears> Habbie: I thought I had seen a "simple", low-cost audio extraction project for HDMI audio
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[17:28] <Habbie> curlyears, esp8266 is about $3 at aliexpress
[17:28] <shauno> curlyears, it's in there. there's an 80MHz risc processor embedded, with a whole bunch of different cores available for it (nodemcu and an arduino-compatible core being about the most popular)
[17:28] <Habbie> curlyears, $1.79 if you don't need usb serial and gpio pins included
[17:28] <curlyears> Habbie: Ahhhh, first link i came upon for it was adafruit
[17:28] <Habbie> curlyears, this one is nice http://www.aliexpress.com/item/D1-mini-Mini-NodeMcu-4M-bytes-Lua-WIFI-Internet-of-Things-development-board-based-ESP8266/32529101036.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_8,searchweb201602_3_10017_10034_10021_507_10022_10020_10018_10019,searchweb201603_1&btsid=ccbcec6c-80e8-441f-9627-04805957fb0b
[17:29] <Habbie> curlyears, or this one http://www.aliexpress.com/item/V3-Wireless-module-NodeMcu-4M-bytes-Lua-WIFI-Internet-of-Things-development-board-based-ESP8266-for/32536289075.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_8,searchweb201602_3_10017_10034_10021_507_10022_10020_10018_10019,searchweb201603_1&btsid=38e1b38a-3db0-495e-b77a-6fa9e39f4528
[17:29] <Habbie> curlyears, not even the cheapest one if you try
[17:29] <curlyears> aliexpress is a European or British distributor?
[17:30] <Habbie> chinese
[17:30] <Habbie> so it takes a few weeks
[17:30] <curlyears> ahhhh
[17:30] <Habbie> the adafruit 8266 stuff is quite expensive
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[17:30] <Habbie> the 6.95 is discontinued
[17:30] <Habbie> and the 9.95 replacement does not come with usb serial
[17:30] <curlyears> are they reliable and trustworthy, Habbie ?
[17:30] <Habbie> i haven't done much with them but i have friends running them 24/7 to monitor or control stuff
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[17:31] <Rukus> anyone know anything about DTS passthrough?
[17:31] <shauno> aliexpress themselves are fine. but they're just a fleamart storefront for other vendors to use. so you have to watch for feedback, ala ebay. generally look for people who have shipped thousands, not tens
[17:31] <Habbie> shauno, definitely
[17:31] <curlyears> aha
[17:32] <curlyears> good prices on high power LEDs?
[17:32] <Habbie> i bet
[17:32] <curlyears> I saw where one US company is offering a 10 watt white LED
[17:33] <GrandPa-G> mfa298 and I were conversing a few hours ago. May someone new might have ideas. I will deliever a pi to non-tech home user and need to get it connected to internet, through their router. User will have pc, probably windows. No extra monitor,keyboard mouse for pi. How to setup up wifi for pi?
[17:33] <Habbie> GrandPa-G, i have one more idea
[17:33] <Habbie> GrandPa-G, can't you get wifi details from them before you ship?
[17:34] <GrandPa-G> Habbie: that would mean I would have to get their personal wifi password. Don't know if they would like that. And what happens when they change it after delievery?
[17:34] <Habbie> GrandPa-G, fair points
[17:35] <curlyears> having to do individual custom setups on each device shipped is a real headache, Habbbie
[17:35] <Habbie> GrandPa-G, then all ideas i have boil down to 'some kind of setup mechanism' involving UTP, USB, the SD, or booting up in non-client-wifi mode so configuration can be done wirelessly
[17:35] <Habbie> curlyears, sticking a single file on an SD while you're imaging it may not be -that- painful
[17:35] <Habbie> curlyears, but it wouldn't be my idea of fun either, no
[17:35] <GrandPa-G> What I would like would be a IPless connection between pc and pi, but no such simple available
[17:36] <Habbie> GrandPa-G, why IPless?
[17:36] <Habbie> GrandPa-G, say, do you ship the pi with bluetooth?
[17:36] <curlyears> GrandPa-G, what is the purpose of this device?
[17:36] <GrandPa-G> can't guarantee user will have bluetooh on pc
[17:36] <Habbie> GrandPa-G, bluetooth usb dongle is cheap..
[17:36] <Habbie> GrandPa-G, just thinking out loud here
[17:37] * curlyears has never used bluetooth for anything
[17:37] <GrandPa-G> dongle is cheap, but remember that means setup on user pc, they aren't guaranteed to be smart enough
[17:37] <Habbie> well you could ship an app.. or something
[17:37] <curlyears> I have heard some reports that the wifi on the Pi3 os "weak." Is this so?
[17:37] <Habbie> it's a hard problem you're facing
[17:38] <GrandPa-G> Our earlier idea had the pi as dhcp server for direct connect hardwire with pc
[17:38] <Habbie> GrandPa-G, that's not the worst idea, definitely
[17:38] <Habbie> possibly easier than AP mode
[17:38] <GrandPa-G> I also thought of app on a smartphone that talked bluetooh
[17:38] <curlyears> GrandPa-G, what is the purpose of this device?
[17:39] <GrandPa-G> sorry, it is a special tcp/udp app client that runs unattended.
[17:39] <Habbie> GrandPa-G, and it can't go into their router with UTP?
[17:39] <Habbie> GrandPa-G, as in, permanently?
[17:39] <curlyears> aahhhh...why not use IP?
[17:39] <Habbie> curlyears, because you still need something to run the IP over
[17:40] <curlyears> if you use a Pi3, you have 802.11x
[17:40] <GrandPa-G> I am just thinking about the setup step. Once the pi gets the wifi password/ip setup, then pc unhooks and pi will connect to internet
[17:40] <Habbie> curlyears, you mean wifi?
[17:40] <curlyears> Habbie: yeah
[17:41] <Habbie> curlyears, but that needs to know SSID+password, which is the problem we are solving
[17:41] <curlyears> I don't recommend selling a product that circumvents basic security in the name of ease of installation
[17:42] <Habbie> curlyears, i don't think anybody is proposing that
[17:42] <GrandPa-G> Our thought was to have the pi run as a web server, pc http web page to it, person gives router gateway ip and wifi password
[17:42] <Habbie> GrandPa-G, gateway IP? you mean SSID?
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[17:42] <curlyears> that ought to be easy enough for consumers
[17:42] <GrandPa-G> the web server page then does a lot of file editing and reboots with all configure, no dhcp server
[17:43] <GrandPa-G> Habbie: sorry, of SSID
[17:43] <curlyears> of course, I don't know what consumers who are not computer savvy would be doing with such a device
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[17:43] <Habbie> GrandPa-G, but what is the device -for-? what problem does it solve for them?
[17:43] <Habbie> GrandPa-G, and, you haven't explained why they can't plug it into UTP permanently
[17:44] <GrandPa-G> Habbie:I can't say too much about their purpose yet, but will try in a minute. What do you mean by put into UTP?
[17:44] <Habbie> GrandPa-G, your customers have a router in their home
[17:44] <curlyears> no o ne has any comments on reliability of wifi for Pi3?
[17:44] <Habbie> GrandPa-G, those routers tend to have ethernet ports
[17:44] <Habbie> GrandPa-G, why not just use those?
[17:45] <GrandPa-G> Habbie: I just didn't recognize UTP. Yes that might be a possibilty but distance is an issue.
[17:45] <Habbie> GrandPa-G, ah
[17:45] <Habbie> GrandPa-G, and how about shipping a very cheap AP of your own that they put on their router? ;)
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[17:46] <GrandPa-G> The pi is connected to a device like a ham radio. It gets information from the radio and sends to a server. There is no action taken by the person, all automated. Pi needs to be within a foot or so from radio.
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[17:46] <Habbie> ah
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[17:46] <Habbie> flightaware? ;)
[17:47] <curlyears> I need to go...see you guys later
[17:47] <Habbie> have a good one, curlyears
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[17:47] <GrandPa-G> the user volunteered to keep the pi box at their home for us. Proably a large number of users >20 geographically dispursed.
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[17:47] <Habbie> ack
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[17:49] <giddles> GrandPa-G, i didnt followed but i ask, eh do you run some sdr-stuff?
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[17:54] <mfa298> GrandPa-G: sounds like an interesting project, I'm invovled in a few things where people connect software to a radio to then send information to a central server, but that's generally with tech savy people so far so no need to make id idiot proof.
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[17:55] <giddles> well i dont see where or howto decompress signal
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[17:55] <giddles> is the rpi ready for? Oo
[17:56] <mfa298> giddles: you can do some SDR on the various pi models. As to what you use that depends a bit on what you want to acheive
[17:56] <giddles> i only see sdr-pi as tcp/udp stream on such port..
[17:56] <giddles> im sorry my english is horrible
[17:57] <giddles> if i decompress am/fm signal on my laptop it uses quite munch cpu ;) and its not an arm which is running there...
[17:57] <mfa298> for simple stuff I've used rtl_fm and rtl_tcp, you can probably run gqrx as a more generic receiver (I've not tried it myself) or if you want to do something more specific there's gnu-radio
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[17:58] <giddles> i installed gnu radio
[17:58] <giddles> but i didnt knew howto activate the stick proper ;)
[17:59] <mfa298> CPU requirements will depend a bit on how much bandwidth your using.
[17:59] <giddles> well the stick is not the best
[17:59] <giddles> starts at 24mhz up to 1300?
[18:00] <giddles> 17xx mhz
[18:00] <mfa298> I mean the bandwidth your sampling (2MHz by default on the rtlsdr sticks)
[18:01] <giddles> how many "readings" per second yes ;)
[18:01] <mfa298> more bandwidth means more samples/s, so more data you need to process.
[18:02] <giddles> im not an radio expert :/
[18:02] <giddles> thought i can hear aliens on 18.000mhz VFO *hrhr*
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[18:02] <giddles> thanks irc ppl helped me to understand reality
[18:04] <giddles> gnu radio you need to knew what you want, shrsharp is just fire it in and play
[18:04] <giddles> sdr
[18:05] <GrandPa-G> mfa298:We should talk offline about project specifics
[18:05] <giddles> would be awesome if my pi also could read the 433,xmhz signal of my temp sensor
[18:05] <giddles> which sends it every x minutes to the remote station
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[18:06] <giddles> dead things connected to a database ;) that would be cool
[18:06] <GrandPa-G> what is SDR mean?
[18:07] <mfa298> giddles: gqrx is effectively the linux equivalent of sdrsharp, as for temp sensors you can potentially decode them with gnuradio, but it's likely to take time to build up a suitable flow graph
[18:07] <Habbie> GrandPa-G, software defined radio
[18:07] <giddles> yup i knew... manual decode :D
[18:07] <giddles> sounds like 3 weekend work
[18:08] <giddles> sdr means software defined radio
[18:08] <mfa298> GrandPa-G: I'm happy to talk offline if you want, I dont whether I can help much or not but can at least try and help ideas flow. (I'm also just curious as to what you're doing)
[18:09] <giddles> i can imagine maybe whats he doing ;D reciving sattelite radio data to an rpi sounds very nasty ;D weathre stuff...? :)
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[18:13] <harha_> How would one install owncloud on raspbian for lighttpd? I see the basic 'owncloud' package includes apache2, I don't really like apache..
[18:13] <Habbie> harha_, it does not include it - but it will pick apache2 if you have nothing that provides 'httpd'
[18:15] <harha_> Habbie; Well I already installed lighttpd and it's running and it's still suggesting apache.
[18:15] <Habbie> harha_, suggesting in what way?
[18:16] <harha_> Habbie; When I'm executing apt-get install owncloud - Following new packages will be installed; Apache2 Apache2-bin etc...
[18:16] <Habbie> harha_, oh, annoying
[18:17] <Habbie> harha_, you have lighttpd installed via apt-get?
[18:17] <harha_> yes
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[18:17] <harha_> I'm currently updateing/upgrading all and doing cache clean, see if that fixes this.
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[18:17] <Habbie> also try --no-install-recommends and --no-install-suggests or whatever they're called
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[18:19] <harha_> That did reduce packages from 95 to 72 but still apache2 is there. <_<
[18:20] <Habbie> and if you add lighttpd to the install line?
[18:20] <Habbie> just guessing here
[18:20] <Habbie> it shouldn't matter
[18:20] <harha_> Doesn't affect it any way
[18:21] <Habbie> i'm out of ideas
[18:21] <Habbie> i can try for myself after dinner if you like
[18:21] <oq> nginx is better than lighttpd
[18:21] <harha_> Well sure, if you want. :D Thanks if you do. I don't want some useless apache polluting my system, owncloud will be way more responsive when hosted using lighttpd I think.
[18:21] <Habbie> harha_, feel free to remind me in an hour or so
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[18:22] <Habbie> i have 'toying with webservers' on the schedule anyway
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[18:22] <Habbie> although i'm going for nginx these days
[18:22] <harha_> lol
[18:22] <harha_> oq; Well I might have to try that then. I was just aiming for something minimal, lighttpd has everyhing my little webserver will need.
[18:23] <Habbie> lighttpd and nginx fit the same 'niche' indeed
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[18:26] <harha_> Well that's nice if they do, I know very little about nginx, I just have heard that it's widely used for hosting even very large websites.
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[18:37] <harha_> Well I'm installing it for nginx now...
[18:38] <Habbie> oh, that works?
[18:38] <harha_> Not sure yet, installing php5 stuff first
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[18:43] <harha_> Habbie; yes, yes, that works.
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[18:44] <harha_> ...
[18:44] <harha_> no apache2 anymore there
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[18:59] <harha_> I installed the owncloud package and install went fine but there's no owncloud on /var/www ...
[18:59] <harha_> Do I still have to download the frontend?
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[19:14] <harha_> Well, now I have owncloud running on nginx server and it's quite fast.
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[19:17] <oq> nice
[19:17] <Ranieri_> Hey guys.
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[19:21] <harha_> Only thing now is that I can't access the pi's webserver from any other computer in my lan network because it cannot resolve the hostname 'raspberrypi' even though I gave that in the nginx conf files and it's the same in /etc/hosts
[19:21] <Ranieri_> Sorry, I d/c'd. Did anyone answer my quesiton?
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[19:22] <mlelstv> there was a question?
[19:22] <oq> harha_: you on dhcp?
[19:23] <Java_> Yeah, how do I find out what wifi encryption a certain router is?
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[19:23] <harha_> yeah
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[19:23] <harha_> I guess I have to try server_name = ""
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[19:26] <oq> wait are you trying to use a netbios name as an url?
[19:26] <mfa298> harha_: the settings in nginx and /etc/hosts are only known to the pi. On some networks raspberrypi.local might work (if both sides are doing some sort of zeroconf/bounjour/mdns) otherwise you need dns or editing the hosts file on the other machiens
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[19:27] <harha_> oq; not sure what you mean... If I try to see what nginx is hosting by connecting to my pi's lan address then it just changes that to raspberrypi, tries to connect and outputs and error that the dns cannot be resolved.
[19:27] <harha_> mfa298; Well I'll try that .local soon, ty.
[19:28] <oq> have you set up nginx to redirect from the ip?
[19:29] <harha_> oq; I am a first time user of nginx, I just setup ../sites-available/owncloud with my settings and restarted nginx service.
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[19:30] <oq> harha_: I have no idea, I just let my router handle dns and local hostnames
[19:31] <harha_> oq; That's what I've done to this point but there's just this server_name field that apparently requires some value.
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[19:33] <oq> harha_: that is just what nginx listens for, you can just put the ip in there too
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[19:34] <harha_> Well I've tried only too and the same problem exists. I tried as well so it should listen on all interfaces with no luck. :S
[19:34] <oq> are you reloading nginx after those config changes?
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[19:35] <mfa298> it might be a setting in owncloud that's making it redirect to raspberrypi rather than staying on the IP.
[19:35] <harha_> I was reloading and now I am even rebooting to make sure and since reboot is quite fast
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[19:36] <harha_> mfa298; hmmh, I'll look into that, but I cannot seem to be able to access even webserver root, owncloud is ./owncloud - not root
[19:37] <oq> harha_: if you own any real domains you could just try pointing a subdomain at your local address just to rule out any funkiness with local hostname resolution
[19:38] <mfa298> the issue with the client machine being given the raspberrypi name to connect to is that it doen't know how to convert raspberrypi into (having a dns server, autoconf style setup of hosts entry gives you that lookup but that needs to be on the client side rather than the server )
[19:38] <mfa298> harha_: ok that sounds like something in nginx doing the redirect then.
[19:40] <harha_> yes.. I'll try to make it not redirect
[19:40] <oq> this is why I love having a dns-forwarder on my router
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[19:41] <mfa298> this is why I like having my own dhcp/dns setup.
[19:42] <harha_> yeah I can connect to nginx now :D but owncloud doesn't exist at /owncloud
[19:42] <harha_> hmmh
[19:42] <harha_> I guess i have webserver root wrong
[19:42] <harha_> it's at www/html it seems
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[19:48] <harha_> Yeah it works nicely now
[19:48] <harha_> owncloud had this trusted domains config that I had to edit too
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[19:48] <phob0s> hello
[19:48] <harha_> I just set it to
[19:48] <phob0s> have somebody raspberry pi with gcc installed, I need to check one thing.
[19:49] <phob0s> Just compile and run one 30 lines program... :)
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[19:51] <harha_> and?
[19:51] <harha_> what's the problem with that?
[19:51] <phob0s> I have assumpions that on ARM architecture its crashing
[19:52] <phob0s> http://pastebin.com/UQuCqjSq
[19:52] <phob0s> harha_: can you check this?
[19:52] <harha_> mkay I have to install gcc first
[19:52] <harha_> on my pi 3
[19:52] <phob0s> ok
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[19:55] <harha_> Isn't cstdlib c++?
[19:55] <harha_> Yeah if this is meant to be C you need to use stdlib.h
[19:55] <phob0s> c++
[19:55] <phob0s> g++ programname
[19:56] <harha_> Oh yeah this is C++
[19:56] <phob0s> just tell me what is output of the program :)
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[19:59] <harha_> http://i.imgur.com/6KbZ7Sj.png
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[20:00] <phob0s> thank you harha_ !
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[20:06] <harha_> no probs phob0s
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[20:09] <Aristide> Hello !
[20:10] <Aristide> I have a Raspberry PI2 (Model B). And USB port run « out of power » ? oO'
[20:10] <Aristide> Battery of my phone can't be charged (the « Charge » icon blink xD) and my Wireless USB Antenna is not powered
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[20:14] <Chunkyz> my god damn pi 3 is faster than my ssd laptop :/ WTF?
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[20:14] <ThePendulum> hah
[20:15] <Aristide> Lol
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[20:16] <Chunkyz> stupid windows :x
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[20:17] <exonormal> Chunkyz: it's usually operator error.... about 99% of the time
[20:17] <gordonDrogon> Chunkyz, try to keep it family friendly please.
[20:18] <Aristide> Chunkyz: I have a SSD here
[20:18] <ThePendulum> families with 3 year olds come here?
[20:18] <Aristide> But with BTRFS :x
[20:18] <Aristide> (My laptop has one SSD and one Hard Disk Drive)
[20:19] <exonormal> ThePendulum: yes, many of them do
[20:19] <Chunkyz> gordonDrogon, okay
[20:20] <oq> my laptop has one sshd
[20:20] <pksato> httpdss_://www.righto.com/2016/05/inside-card-sorters-1920s-data.html
[20:21] <Aristide> Hm ...
[20:21] <Aristide> pksato: Fix your link
[20:21] <Aristide> :x
[20:21] <exonormal> lol, mine didn't work either... lol
[20:22] <exonormal> what's with "httpdss"?
[20:22] <exonormal> department of social services?
[20:23] <GrandPa-G> my link worked fine. but then I copy and pasted. Looks just like the machine I used, but newer.
[20:24] <exonormal> ok I'll try something diff...
[20:25] <exonormal> ok I used to work at NCR and used those units.... long many moons ago...
[20:25] <Aristide> So, do you have same problem here ? (About USB Port)
[20:31] <harha_> I'm impressed of the performance of owncloud on rpi3 D:
[20:32] <Aristide> harha_: :')
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[20:39] <pksato> Aristide: link is correct. And, nick completion is working. changing correct link.
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[20:46] <Aristide> Ah yes
[20:46] <Aristide> x)
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[20:53] <ThePendulum> does anyone know whether the APA102 is compatible with the WS2801? can I send the same signals?
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[20:55] <Xark> ThePendulum: From Googling a bit no, not quite the same.
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[20:58] <ThePendulum> hmm, I guess I should order one and see if I can get it to work to be sure
[20:59] <Xark> ThePendulum: They are quite similar, and both work, but some differences in the protocol apparently.
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[20:59] <ThePendulum> the whole SPI ordeal is still a bit fuzzy to me
[21:00] <ThePendulum> apparently the WS2801 and APA102 use it, the WS2811/12/12B don't
[21:00] <ThePendulum> or vice versa, but I think like that
[21:00] <Chillum> ws2812 use a clockless system
[21:00] <ThePendulum> yeah
[21:00] <ThePendulum> I still wish to control them 'manually' without relying on an intermediate library
[21:00] <Xark> Yes, that is right. But the WS2801 and APA102 use it differently (but both clocked).
[21:01] <Xark> ThePendulum: Well, you certainly can. :)
[21:01] <ThePendulum> or at least, just use an SPI lib instead of an entire wrapped for WS28xx specifically
[21:01] <Chillum> well, the system used by the 2812 and similar requires very precise timing. It took a lot of effort to get the libraries working
[21:01] <ThePendulum> yeah for SPI I can probably work it out
[21:01] <ThePendulum> but I have no idea what the ws281x use
[21:01] <ThePendulum> hmm
[21:01] * Xark links to nice APA102 protocol article https://cpldcpu.wordpress.com/2014/11/30/understanding-the-apa102-superled/
[21:01] <Chillum> the datasheet explains it in detail
[21:02] <Xark> ThePendulum: Those use only one wire, but it needs carefully timed pulses.
[21:02] <ThePendulum> huh, the APA102 is newer?
[21:02] <ThePendulum> what about the WS2801? I thought those were the older systems
[21:02] <Xark> ThePendulum: I believe the APA102 has a higher internal PWM rate also (less flicker).
[21:02] <ThePendulum> I got a WS2812B and a WS2801 here, no APA102 though
[21:03] <Xark> Well, WS2801 is like a clocked version of WS2812 I believe.
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[21:04] <ThePendulum> yeah, but I the WS2812s use some obscure proprietary system apparently
[21:04] <ThePendulum> I'm finding surprisingly little info about it
[21:05] <Xark> WS2801 looks quite simple. Just pump out 3 SPI bytes per LED. :)
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[21:05] <Xark> (R G & B)
[21:05] <Xark> ...(or B G & R depending on chip...)
[21:06] <Rickta59> ThePendulum: I used this on the beaglebone it just uses spi https://github.com/RickKimball/beaglebone/blob/master/ws2811_spi_test/main.c
[21:06] <Xark> ThePendulum: https://wp.josh.com/2014/05/13/ws2812-neopixels-are-not-so-finicky-once-you-get-to-know-them/
[21:07] <Xark> Ahh, or the same APA102 fellow https://cpldcpu.wordpress.com/2014/01/14/light_ws2812-library-v2-0-part-i-understanding-the-ws2812/
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[21:10] <ThePendulum> thanks
[21:10] <ThePendulum> yeah the WS2801 is quite trivial
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[21:23] <Habbie> harha_, owncloud working i see
[21:23] <Habbie> ?
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[21:23] <harha_> Habbie; Ye
[21:23] <harha_> nicely with nginx
[21:23] <harha_> did you try lighttpd? :D
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[21:24] <Habbie> harha_, i have both nginx and lighttpd running things right now, on different machines
[21:24] <Habbie> harha_, not any owncloud though
[21:25] <harha_> mkay
[21:25] <Habbie> the only owncloud i have is cloudhosted by somebody else
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[21:26] <Habbie> i now see the irony in what i typed ;)
[21:27] <harha_> :-D
[21:27] <harha_> Well all I can say is that if you have rpi3 with external hdd and you don't use it for anything cpu heavy then owncloud on it will run nicely
[21:27] <Habbie> nice
[21:27] <harha_> I'm very impressed by how responsive it is
[21:28] <ThePendulum> controlling my ws2801 directly via SPI now :D now to figure out the ws2812
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[21:29] <DMackey> Not mine but figured I would share : Raspberry Pi Stack Case 4 Layer Case Box Enclosure for Raspberry Pi 2 Model B B+ : http://www.ebay.com/itm/301802743791
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[21:30] <faheemazizm> Hi i need to install linux-headers-4.1.19-v7+ , how do i get it? apt does not work
[21:30] <Rickta59> did you see what I posted ThePendulum ?
[21:30] <pcmerc> sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[21:30] <ThePendulum> yes
[21:31] <Rickta59> that might work on a rpi
[21:31] <Rickta59> it just used spidev
[21:31] <ThePendulum> I need to translate it to node and see if I can use node-spi to do the same :p
[21:31] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, does not work
[21:32] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, i am doing the git clone guide thing, are u aware of this method?
[21:32] <ThePendulum> considering timing is essential I'm curious how the library I'm using atm is doing it
[21:32] <ThePendulum> since node isn't exactly ideal for that kind of stuff
[21:32] <Rickta59> which led do you have?
[21:32] <Rickta59> a ws281x clone or one with a clockc?
[21:32] <Rickta59> clock
[21:33] <pcmerc> what distro?
[21:33] <pcmerc> yes I am aware :D
[21:33] <Rickta59> the code I posted is meant to work with the clockless one
[21:33] <ThePendulum> I have a ws2801 as well but I'm currently trying to control a clockless ws2812b
[21:33] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, Rasbian?
[21:33] <pcmerc> ok
[21:33] <ThePendulum> well, ws281x anyway, not entirely sure which one
[21:33] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, forgot the exact name -______-
[21:33] <pcmerc> jessie or wheezy
[21:33] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, jessie
[21:33] <pcmerc> that should work
[21:33] <pcmerc> what I pasted
[21:34] <Rickta59> ok that code will work with the ws2812b
[21:34] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, Unable to locate package linux-headers-4.1.19-v7
[21:34] <faheemazizm> E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'linux-headers-4.1.19-v7'
[21:34] <Rickta59> you might just compile it and see if it runs before bothering to node-spi ize it
[21:34] <pcmerc> uname -r
[21:34] <pcmerc> what does that return?
[21:35] <Rickta59> all it does is set 4 leds to r g b and white
[21:35] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, 4.1.19-v7+
[21:35] <pcmerc> you might have to select one then
[21:35] <pcmerc> apt-cache search linux-headers-*
[21:35] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, i have no idea what you mean by select one lol
[21:35] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, kk
[21:36] <pcmerc> means improvise
[21:36] <pcmerc> :D
[21:36] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, much better LOL
[21:36] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, i listed them previously too
[21:36] <ThePendulum> Rickta59: I'm looking at the node-adafruit-pixel example as well, which uses node-spi; I'm not entirely sure how to compile c
[21:37] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, is their an fpaste option in pi or something that u wanna see them?
[21:37] <pcmerc> na hold on
[21:37] <faheemazizm> or is their a specific one i should try
[21:37] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, kk
[21:37] <pcmerc> firing up a vm
[21:37] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, i love u right now been stuck on this for hours
[21:37] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, also, im doing the git clone in the meanwhile in the backround just incase
[21:37] <pcmerc> sure
[21:37] <pcmerc> git clone what?
[21:38] <pcmerc> lol
[21:38] <pcmerc> that could mean anything
[21:38] <pcmerc> codebase wise
[21:38] <pcmerc> heh
[21:38] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, git clone --depth 1 https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux.git
[21:38] <pcmerc> lol you don't need that
[21:38] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, well i see a guide... i follow random guides on the internet... it's what us noobs do
[21:39] <faheemazizm> XD
[21:39] <Rickta59> make main
[21:39] <warpie> my cloud is in the pi's SD card
[21:39] <Rickta59> or rename main.c to ws281x.c and then type make ws281x
[21:40] <pcmerc> your build fully patched?
[21:40] <pcmerc> apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade?
[21:40] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, i have no idea what u mean
[21:40] <pcmerc> apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:40] <pcmerc> run that
[21:40] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, did update, upgrade broke it multiple times
[21:40] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, are u sure XD
[21:41] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, last time i did upgrade it broke :/
[21:41] <pcmerc> upgrade broke what?
[21:41] <pcmerc> why would upgrade break it?
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[21:41] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, white login screen loop?
[21:41] <pcmerc> you doing a GUI based ver?
[21:41] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, i can upgrade again to test... if u want to lol
[21:41] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, yes
[21:41] <pcmerc> I don't do GUI's
[21:41] <pcmerc> waste of time
[21:41] <pcmerc> cmdline only for me
[21:41] <pcmerc> :D
[21:41] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, i live with noob roommates
[21:42] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, i cant expect them to understand cmd if anything goes wrong
[21:42] <pcmerc> I would have to test what you're doing to see the error that occurs so I could fix it
[21:42] <pcmerc> I'll do an install & see what it does after I update it
[21:42] <pcmerc> Full install that is
[21:42] <pcmerc> I usually just do lite installs & install what I need etc
[21:42] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, simple, i am attempting to install a client software known as DrCom used in china that connects to our university intranet, it requires the damn linux header i showed
[21:42] <pcmerc> other wise the OS is bloated
[21:42] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, i knw
[21:43] <pcmerc> ok thats fine
[21:43] <pcmerc> hold on then
[21:43] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, thanks
[21:43] <pcmerc> I'm patching this vm then I'll look
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[21:46] <ThePendulum> Rickta59: hmm, doesn't work out of the box, but honestly I have no idea what SPI address to use
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[21:47] <ThePendulum> I see the node lib I was using seems to just run some C
[21:48] <pcmerc> your linux-headers will be the 4.1.x ones
[21:48] <pcmerc> since your using a 4.1.x kernel
[21:49] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, so....
[21:49] <Rickta59> yeah i don't either ThePendulum
[21:49] <Rickta59> * goes to power on a pi
[21:49] <pcmerc> this thing is almost done standby
[21:49] <pcmerc> lol
[21:49] <pcmerc> ok checking
[21:49] <pcmerc> sudo apt-cache search linux-header*
[21:50] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, wait a sec lemme show u the exct output my software is giving me
[21:50] <pcmerc> does that show any 4.1.x listed
[21:50] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, does not
[21:50] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, highest is 3.6
[21:50] <pcmerc> odd
[21:50] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, should i attempt the upgrade?
[21:51] <pcmerc> what about apt-get install tab a couple times
[21:51] <pcmerc> does it list any other besides the 3.6?
[21:51] <pcmerc> what about linux-headers-amd64?
[21:51] <pcmerc> or i386 instead of amd64?
[21:51] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, 3.1 -3.18
[21:51] <pcmerc> if using 32bit
[21:52] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, linux-headers-rpi - Header files for Linux rpi configuration (meta-package)
[21:52] <faheemazizm> linux-headers-rpi-rpfv - This metapackage will pull in the headers for the raspbian kernel for the
[21:52] <faheemazizm> linux-headers-rpi2-rpfv -
[21:52] <faheemazizm> and those 3
[21:52] <pcmerc> there ya go
[21:52] <pcmerc> hmm
[21:52] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, .... so wait?
[21:52] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, .... which one do i use?
[21:53] <pcmerc> I'm on a vm though not a arm build distro currently
[21:53] <ThePendulum> I only have spidev0.0 and spidev0.1 and they both address the ws2801
[21:53] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, i have no idea what that even means
[21:53] <pcmerc> I'd need to fire up a pi3 & see
[21:53] <pcmerc> not sure if the packages are different
[21:53] <pcmerc> I assume they are
[21:53] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, i have a pi3 model b
[21:53] <pcmerc> ok hold on
[21:54] <pcmerc> let me fire one up & see whats available
[21:55] <ThePendulum> seems like this module is just sending data over the GPIO pin directly or something
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[21:58] <mfa298> ThePendulum: the difference between spidev0.0 and spidev0.1 is the select pin they use, they'll both share mosi/miso and sck
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[21:59] <mfa298> that's how spi works
[21:59] <mfa298> many devices on the same bus, and a select pin per device
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[22:00] * gordonDrogon agrees.
[22:02] <pcmerc> ah I see what you're saying
[22:02] <pcmerc> maybe try the linux-headers-rpi
[22:02] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, glad you're onboard lol
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[22:03] <ThePendulum> mfa298: how do these chips identify as a device, then? I thought they were fairly 'dumb' and just took the data, cut off their bytes and sent on the remainder
[22:03] <pcmerc> ah
[22:03] <pcmerc> hold on
[22:03] <pcmerc> At the moment there is no linux-headers for the 4.1.17 kernel version.
[22:04] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, downloading
[22:04] <faheemazizm> pcmerc..... i need 4.1.19>>>>>
[22:04] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, what do i do 0_o
[22:04] <pcmerc> ya
[22:04] <pcmerc> exactly
[22:04] <pcmerc> it's not in the repo
[22:04] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, ur telling me im fucked
[22:04] <pcmerc> check this out
[22:04] <pcmerc> http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/45010/linux-headers-in-raspbian-jessie
[22:04] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, lol
[22:05] <mfa298> ThePendulum: if it's not all the spi stuff then it's probably not an SPI device, it may just have similar signalling and use those pins in whatever code & setup youv'e found
[22:05] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, this works for me tho
[22:05] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, lemme test it
[22:05] <pcmerc> ok
[22:06] <ThePendulum> mfa298: well the ws2801 are SPI devices pretty certainly
[22:06] <ThePendulum> there's no difference between the 0.0 and 0.1 though it seems
[22:06] <pcmerc> sudo apt-get install linux-headers-4.1.19-v7+
[22:06] <pcmerc> does that run for you faheemazizm?
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[22:07] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, checking
[22:07] <pcmerc> doesn't run here
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[22:08] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, dont think so
[22:08] <mfa298> ThePendulum: the difference between 0.0 and 0.1 is which of the two select pins gets enabled (labelled ce0 and ce1 on some pinouts)
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[22:09] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, lol
[22:09] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, .... so ........ is their a way i can trick my software into thinking i have the right linux headers or something XDS
[22:10] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, so this is funny
[22:10] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, did firmware update, says im updated but i was already on that
[22:10] <pcmerc> you might need to go this route
[22:10] <pcmerc> https://github.com/notro/rpi-source/wiki
[22:10] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, gonna reboot via ssh and see
[22:11] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, ok, im idling in channel while i test another idea, if u come across or think of something mention me lol
[22:11] <pcmerc> k
[22:11] <pcmerc> try the linux-headers-rpi
[22:11] <pcmerc> lol
[22:11] <pcmerc> you rpi2
[22:11] <pcmerc> test
[22:11] <pcmerc> might bork though
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[22:11] <pcmerc> or
[22:11] <pcmerc> https://www.niksula.hut.fi/~mhiienka/Rpi/linux-headers-rpi/
[22:12] <ThePendulum> mfa298: heh, interesting, no idea how this relates to the chips though
[22:12] <pcmerc> faheemazizm: https://www.niksula.hut.fi/~mhiienka/Rpi/linux-headers-rpi/ look there
[22:12] <pcmerc> there are packages there
[22:12] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, ok going to check
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[22:13] <pcmerc> so I think this package
[22:13] <pcmerc> https://www.niksula.hut.fi/~mhiienka/Rpi/linux-headers-rpi/linux-headers-4.1.19-v7%2B_4.1.19-v7%2B-2_armhf.deb
[22:14] <pcmerc> that should work
[22:14] <pcmerc> installs here
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[22:14] <pcmerc> not sure how safe it is
[22:14] <pcmerc> lol
[22:15] <mfa298> ThePendulum: what chip are you interfacing with ?
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[22:15] <pcmerc> if you don't have the other packages it needs installed & it's errors on install, apt-get -f install
[22:16] <ThePendulum> mfa298: presumably a ws2812b, but I'm not entirely certain; I was told it's a ws2811, but the layout of the internal LEDs themselves resembles a ws2812b
[22:16] <pcmerc> looks good here
[22:16] <ThePendulum> a ws281x regardless
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[22:19] <pcmerc> faheemazizm: make sure you have dkms installed also
[22:19] <mfa298> ThePendulum: I don't think that's a true SPI device, if you're actually using the spi hardware in the Pi to talk to it it sounds like it's (ab)using the spi hardware in a non spi way
[22:19] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, apt install dkms?
[22:19] <pcmerc> yup
[22:20] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, kk
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[22:20] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, I NEED this $ sudo apt-get install linux-headers-4.1.19-v7+
[22:20] <pcmerc> no
[22:20] <pcmerc> cd /tmp
[22:20] <pcmerc> wget https://www.niksula.hut.fi/~mhiienka/Rpi/linux-headers-rpi/linux-headers-4.1.19-v7%2B_4.1.19-v7%2B-2_armhf.deb
[22:20] <pcmerc> dpkg -i linux-headers-4.1.19-v7%2B_4.1.19-v7%2B-2_armhf.deb
[22:20] <pcmerc> then apt-get -f install
[22:21] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, i love u, one sec
[22:22] <pcmerc> I reran dpkg -i linux-headers-4.1.19-v7%2B_4.1.19-v7%2B-2_armhf.deb also as I ran into a couple of dependency issues, dkms gcc, etc..
[22:23] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, currently finishing the dpkg installation
[22:23] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, pi so slow
[22:23] <pcmerc> ya mine is running also
[22:23] <ThePendulum> mfa298: sorry, the chip that's addressed as spidev0.0 and 0.1 is a ws2801
[22:23] <pcmerc> still installing
[22:23] <pcmerc> it builds the kernel source it appears
[22:23] <pcmerc> ok done
[22:23] <pcmerc> it's installed
[22:24] <pcmerc> 4 drwxr-xr-x 24 root root 4096 May 8 20:23 linux-headers-4.1.19-v7+
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[22:24] <pcmerc> you should be good faheemazizm
[22:24] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, if im good... wow dude... best linux channel experience, your a solid member here thanks for the help
[22:25] <pcmerc> let me know if you get stuck
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[22:26] <mfa298> ThePendulum: I think that's still abusing the SPI peripheral which is why it works with both 0.0 and 0.1
[22:27] <ThePendulum> peculiar
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[22:29] <mfa298> with two true spi devices they'd both be connected to mosi, miso and sck, then one is connected to ce0 and one to ce1.
[22:29] <ThePendulum> mosi and miso heh
[22:29] <ThePendulum> both to both, or one each?
[22:29] <mfa298> when you talk to spidev0.0 it enabled the ce0 line and sends data along mosi and sck (receiving on miso), similar with spidev0.1 but that enabled ce1 instead
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[22:31] <mfa298> mosi is master out slave in (i.e. data going from the pi to the enabled device) miso is master in slave out (i.e. data from the device back to the pi)
[22:31] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, did u install all these dependency issues at once?
[22:31] <faheemazizm> pcmerc, or use the apt-get -f install then get them
[22:32] <ThePendulum> I don't have anything hooked up to the miso
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[22:33] <mfa298> ThePendulum: probably because I don't think you're talking to a true spi device, it sounds like the code you're using is abusing how spi works, which is why you get the same results with spidev0.0 and spidev0.1
[22:34] <ThePendulum> possibly
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[22:35] <ThePendulum> I mean this is the de facto way of controlling the ws2801 with a Pi afaik
[22:38] <mfa298> I can understand why it's done that way, the hardware spi device will handle the clock and data for you, but as it's not a real spi device that's why you get the same result with spidev0.0 and spidev0.1
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[22:39] <ThePendulum> thanks for the info :o
[22:40] <mfa298> if you've got two sets of them you want to control seperatly with via spidev0.0 and spidev0.1 you could possibly do it by controlling the sck line to each with a mosfet
[22:41] <ThePendulum> I think I'd just split them virtually
[22:41] <ThePendulum> I do have a ws2812b on another pin that I'm still trying to figure out though
[22:41] <ThePendulum> I have a library that is able to control it, trying to work out how
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[22:44] <mfa298> that suggestion above would effectivly only switch on the sck line for one device at a time (depending on which spidev device you use, althoguh I think the select line is doen by pulling low rather than high (as you might expect)
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[22:47] <ThePendulum> how do the devices know which one they are though?
[22:47] <ThePendulum> oh the mosfet
[22:48] <mfa298> they'de only see the sck pulses if they're enabled
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[22:58] <ThePendulum> enabled?
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[23:41] <Ranieri_> I'm here now.
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[23:42] <Ranieri_> I'm guessing Epiphany is the Internet Explorer or pi browsers?
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[23:43] <Ranieri_> of*
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[23:45] <Chillum> what a horrible thing to be!
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[23:53] * TiredOf (~user@cpc73163-live27-2-0-cust712.17-2.cable.virginm.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:54] * harha_ (harha_@y55.ip4.netikka.fi) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[23:55] * shodo (~shodo@bband-dyn72.178-41-152.t-com.sk) Quit (Quit: shodo)
[23:56] * jeffmjack (uid7712@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-smlkzbgsacxnboyr) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:57] * wiiguy (~fake@unaffiliated/wiiguy) Quit (Quit: The Kirito is always right foundation. Grand reopening.)
[23:57] * OxB00T (~oxb00t@unaffiliated/oxb00t) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[23:59] <jeffmjack> I've got an ad hoc network set up for my RPi, and it seems like I can join the network... but how do I ssh into the RPi?

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