#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2016-05-11

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[0:00] <[Saint]> and 9 new potentially inhabitable worlds.
[0:00] <[Saint]> way to go, Kepler.
[0:00] <ThePendulum> :D
[0:01] <[Saint]> I think they've called it the 'Kepler Small Habitable Zone'.
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[0:02] <[Saint]> Sorry. I know it isn't Pi-relevant. I just thought it was really neat. The release is only a few hours old.
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[0:09] <exonormal> sure wifie is deep into that...
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[0:20] <exonormal> just showing in BBC new... nice pics
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[1:48] <Smeef> I'm trying to do this with a micro usb connector and it doesn't seem to be working http://www.henrylahr.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/USB_cable1.jpg
[1:48] <Smeef> any thoughts?
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[1:52] <Berg> looks like you haver a blob of solder between the pins
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[1:58] <Smeef> Berg: That's how to make a USB OTG cable, lol
[1:58] <Smeef> Anyway, I got it working, must have been a bad contact the first time
[1:58] <Berg> is that funny?
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[2:52] * [Saint] finishes cleaning up the dotfile architecture on all his deployments.
[2:53] <[Saint]> .bashrc, .profile, and .sshrc are now just very basic shims that do (watered down) "for i in $foo; source $i" from .bashrc.d, .profile.d, and .sshrc.d respectively.
[2:55] <[Saint]> and instead of having a bunch of functions packed into each, each function gets its own little scriptlet in its respective *.d folder and the naming controls order of execution.
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[2:56] <[Saint]> It's a public repo, he won't mind me sharing I don't think, a friend of mine put me on to this structure for dotfiles and it is so much nicer:
[2:56] <[Saint]> https://github.com/tornewuff/dotfiles
[2:57] <[Saint]> there's a couple of functions in there that are truly quite brilliant. I replaced my "screen always on ssh" implementation with his.
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[2:58] <[Saint]> The unique path contractions are also very neat. There's a function in there that always shortens paths within a whitelist structure to their shortest unique contraction.
[2:58] <[Saint]> and it automagically expands them on c/p as well, which is even cooler.
[2:58] <[Saint]> very useful for long paths in screen sessions.
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[2:59] <ball> Is the serial port on a Raspberry Pi 3.3V?
[3:00] <[Saint]> Yes.
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[3:01] <Voop> hello
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[3:01] <[Saint]> 0/3.3V logic. Not +/-5V or +/-12V like some other deployments.
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[3:02] <Voop> will a webcam microphone work on a pi zero
[3:02] <Voop> or would i need a driver board of some sort
[3:02] <[Saint]> As long as you have the driver for it, sure.
[3:02] * Viper168_ is now known as Viper168
[3:03] <ball> Thanks [Saint]. Is it like the output from an ordinary UART, where a mark is +V and space is 0V?
[3:03] <[Saint]> For most USB webcams in Linux that'll "Just Work" probably.
[3:03] <ball> (inverted from what it would be post RS-232 driver)?
[3:03] <Viper168> Voop, yeah just be sure it's compatible with linux
[3:03] <Voop> alright cool
[3:03] <Viper168> I'm sure there are lists out there
[3:03] <Viper168> think there are even specific lists for cams that will work with the pi
[3:04] <Viper168> there are such lists at least for usb hubs
[3:04] <Viper168> and other periphs
[3:04] <Voop> anyone know of a webcam that's small enough to fit in the top of a gameboy cartridge
[3:04] * Viper168 gets out his gameboy camera
[3:04] <Viper168> in a gameboy pocket
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[3:05] <Viper168> and nope not really
[3:05] <Viper168> if you want that small there are cameras for the pi, however the 0 lacks the camera input the other pis do
[3:05] <Voop> yeah
[3:06] <[Saint]> you wouldn;t want to use the picam for putting into a gameboy cartridge anyway.
[3:06] <[Saint]> the CSI latch is a PITA.
[3:06] <Voop> and no audio
[3:06] <Viper168> you may have to get a compact webcam that works
[3:06] <Viper168> and gut it
[3:06] <Viper168> take it out of the casing
[3:06] <Voop> yeah thats the plan
[3:07] <Viper168> hopefully end up with something small enough
[3:07] <Viper168> gotta find something tiny to begin with though
[3:07] <Voop> im sure there's one small enough. hard to tell from pics though
[3:07] <Viper168> luckily for you it seems they've been miniaturized a lot since I was buying them
[3:08] <[Saint]> You could easily disassemble a webcam.
[3:09] <[Saint]> the usual ball sized shape of them is arbitrary.
[3:09] * ball -sized?
[3:09] <[Saint]> inside the casing theire's just a daughter board for the sensor, and the mainboard for power and USB parsing.
[3:09] <ball> That's a heck of a big webcam!
[3:09] <[Saint]> errr...yeah, that was awkward. *ball shaped
[3:10] <Viper168> [Saint], see I'm talking about the heavier ones that were the only option back in the day
[3:10] <Viper168> even the ball ones back then were bigger
[3:10] <[Saint]> for most of them the shape of the housing is just to better accommodate positioning the sensor in a fashion that suits.
[3:11] <[Saint]> the actual internals would easily fit inside a gameboy cartridge.
[3:11] <ball> Are there RS-232 line drivers and receivers that take 3.3V on the UART side?
[3:11] <ball> ...perhaps powered from a single +5V rail? :-D
[3:12] <Viper168> he said into the top
[3:12] <Viper168> depends on how the ccd is mounted on the board
[3:12] <plugwash> What voltage do you need on the RS-232 side?
[3:12] <Viper168> in which case the smaller the housing the better
[3:13] <Voop> http://www.amazon.com/ELP-Driver-Camera-Module-ELP-USBFHD01M-L21/dp/B00KA7WSSU/ref=pd_sim_421_1?ie=UTF8&dpID=41HNP%2BZXJuL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR160%2C160_&refRID=1GKVACGYXJB8DFHMAQHD
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[3:13] <[Saint]> ball: uggly, but, functional - and cheap as chips:
[3:13] <[Saint]> https://imgur.com/JHd8djD
[3:13] <Voop> that thing would be close to perfect from the looks of it
[3:13] <[Saint]> ...actually, ironically, cheaper than chips in this case.
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[3:13] <Viper168> Voop, can't say this works or not with linux but http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA90839G1711&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleMKP-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleMKP-PC-_-pla-_-Webcam-_-9SIA90839G1711&gclid=CP_9kMvr0MwCFdgYgQodNqEBuw&gclsrc=aw.ds
[3:13] <Viper168> pretty tiny one
[3:13] <Viper168> the sort of thing you'll probably have the best luck with
[3:13] <ball> [Saint]: What sort of diode is that?
[3:13] <ball> 1n4001?
[3:14] <[Saint]> ball: or do you need the logic gating to be omnidirectional?
[3:14] <ball> [Saint]: Ideally, though I might just use a USB RS232 adaptor for the host PC or even Ethernet
[3:14] <Voop> Viper168, yeah that looks like itd fit
[3:14] <Voop> 240 p though
[3:15] <ball> [Saint]: ...and keep the serial port free for talking to another Raspberry Pi or perhaps smaller microcontrollers.
[3:15] <Viper168> Voop, it's cheap too
[3:16] <[Saint]> ball: https://cdn-shop.adafruit.com/datasheets/sn74lvc245a.pdf is probably your friend I would thing.
[3:16] <Viper168> yeah, there are some similarly small ones but my connection is taking a shit so I can't really look properly for you
[3:16] <ball> [Saint]: ...that will save me trying to buld level shifters.
[3:16] <[Saint]> though a full-on bus transiever might be overkill.
[3:16] <[Saint]> not exactly expensive though.
[3:16] <Viper168> googling mini webcam though is getting good results, you might search in the google shopping section
[3:16] <[Saint]> that's what /I/ would probably use.
[3:16] <Viper168> can sort by price if necessary
[3:16] <[Saint]> actually, no. I lie.
[3:17] <ball> It's such a shame the Raspberry Pi only has one UART.
[3:17] <[Saint]> I'd only use that knocking up a logic gate out of resisters didn't work out for whatever reason or was impractical.
[3:17] <ball> If it had two, that would help me a lot.
[3:18] <[Saint]> If I needed it to be bidirectional logic shifting and I already had some 74LVC245 lying around, and I think I do...I'd use that.
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[3:18] <[Saint]> though I'd likely knock it up on the cheap in testing first.
[3:18] <ball> Does the A+ have the 40-pin GPIO header?
[3:18] <Viper168> Voop, also if you don't mind rolling the dice you could look on dx
[3:19] <Viper168> you'll have to research what you find to check for linux compatibility
[3:19] <Viper168> but they may have something for a steal
[3:19] <Voop> alright. thanks
[3:19] <[Saint]> the 74LVC245 is pretty tolerant, too. From memory.
[3:19] <Viper168> I swear I still wish I had picked up those cheap endoscope cameras
[3:19] <Viper168> dunno if they still have them
[3:19] <[Saint]> It'll swing as far as -.5/6V iirc.
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[3:19] <[Saint]> neat if your logic can sometimes be picky.
[3:20] <[Saint]> I've used a couple of IC solutions in the past that just plain ain't havin' it at 6V even though they were technically rated as such.
[3:21] <Voop> ill be back tomorrow. see ya
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[3:22] <[Saint]> ball: I can get them locally for about $0.80 NZD a pice in units of more than 10 and under 100.
[3:22] <[Saint]> So I think you should be able to get them delivered in a batch of under 10 for a couple of bucks each maybe, maybe less.
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[3:23] <[Saint]> oh - wow, it's kinda expensive on Adafruit. But what isn't? lol. I have fairly reasonable local prices. Not sure what's available to you locally.
[3:25] <[Saint]> Ah. $0.80 NZD, minus GST, locally for 10~100 units. So about $0.92 or so.
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[3:26] <ball> [Saint]: I'll have to have a think. Thanks for your help!
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[3:28] <[Saint]> I seem to recall sparkfun having a pretty neat breadboard-safe bidirectional 3.3/5V logic breakout board in a fairly compact package.
[3:28] <[Saint]> I'll see if I can find it. You could either direct-wire it or do through-hole headers. About a 1/2" package.
[3:29] <[Saint]> aha
[3:29] <[Saint]> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/12009
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[3:48] <exonormal> seems tinie enuf...
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[4:37] <Crom> Marco...
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[4:42] <jrvc> polo!
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[4:45] <Crom> ahh someone alive in the pool
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[4:46] <Crom> wondering if I should get a 3.5" or 7" touch screen for my rpi3 for use in the car
[4:46] <exonormal> a 72" one
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[4:59] <echosystm> is anyone here running wayland on their pi?
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[5:02] <Crom> heh 72" wouldn't fit across the dash
[5:02] <stiv> wayland-yutani?
[5:02] <stiv> the 72" screen can *be* the dash
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[5:12] <Roonix> echosystm, is that Maynard? I remember reading about that ages ago, whats the status of wayland/maynard on the Pi these days?
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[5:29] <echosystm> Roonix: maynard is one of the desktop shells for use with wayland (weston)
[5:30] <echosystm> development was put on hold when the vc4 driver stuff went ahead
[5:30] <echosystm> just wondering if anyone has managed to run any wayland stuff recently
[5:40] <Zardoz> 0/
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[6:31] <Berg> 7" screen is PER-fect
[6:31] <Zardoz> Berg: you get one?
[6:32] <Berg> i have one
[6:32] <Zardoz> one of the pi ones?
[6:32] <Berg> nope
[6:33] <Berg> its a china special
[6:33] <Berg> touch screen
[6:33] <Zardoz> ah.
[6:33] <Berg> works good
[6:33] <Zardoz> link?
[6:33] <Berg> plugs into the hdmi
[6:33] <Berg> umm
[6:33] <Berg> nar
[6:33] <Berg> im lazy
[6:33] <Zardoz> :(
[6:34] <Zardoz> what it cost you if you dont mind me asking?
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[6:36] <Berg> http://www.ebay.com/itm/7-AT070TN90-Touch-Screen-Monitor-For-Raspberry-Pi-HDMI-VGA-2AV-Lcd-Driver-/252325264938?hash=item3abfc1fe2a:g:c2gAAOSwxp9W7RdL
[6:36] <Berg> about that amount
[6:36] <Berg> i forget
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[6:38] <Zardoz> hummm
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[6:50] <JakeSays> hey you guys ever run raspbian on qemu?
[6:50] <Zardoz> nope
[6:50] <JakeSays> its kinda cool
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[6:54] <Zardoz> cool, got my NAS NIcs bonded the thruput is deff, more stable and higher on avg.
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[8:05] <echosystm> what's the best way to stream from an android or ios device to a raspberry pi?
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[8:05] <echosystm> can't find anything on google. people only seem interested in going the opposite direction.
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[8:10] <oq> echosystm: streaming like miracast?
[8:11] <echosystm> nevermind, looks like what i want to do won't be possible anywyas
[8:11] <echosystm> (streaming netflix from phone to raspi)
[8:12] <oq> echosystm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xt3gBUbOvw?
[8:12] <echosystm> going to have to buy a chromecast
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[8:15] <ShorTie> echosystm did you see this ?? https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=98559
[8:16] <iKarith> Is it just me or have Parallax lowered the price of their products in the past year or two?
[8:16] <echosystm> yeah
[8:16] <echosystm> too hard though
[8:16] <echosystm> nevermind guys
[8:16] <echosystm> chromecast is cheap :)
[8:16] <iKarith> $8 for a propeller? Yes please. :)
[8:16] <echosystm> thanks for trying though!
[8:17] <binaryhermit> a chromecast's actually cheaper than a RPi in the US, at least when you figure in shipping
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[8:18] <echosystm> yeah. ive already got an rpi though. would have been nice to avoid another device, but no biggie!
[8:18] <binaryhermit> unless you're talking pi0
[8:18] <binaryhermit> but right now the pi0 is almost effectively vaporware
[8:19] <iKarith> Arduino/Atmel AVR gets all the love for realtime interfacing, but the Propeller can interface the Pi with I2C and just do impressive things. ;)
[8:20] <Lartza> vaporware (also spelt vapourware) is a product, typically computer hardware or software, that is announced to the general public but is never actually manufactured nor officially cancelled
[8:20] <Lartza> Zero has been and will be manufactured, not sure what is so vaporware about that
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[8:20] <iKarith> Lartza: The Zero is just a myth. People claim to have seen them, but I don't believe them. :)
[8:21] * ShorTie snickers
[8:21] <iKarith> Swamp gas or something.
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[9:23] <Berg> come to Australia we have a legendary myth its a real legend about drop bears
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[9:23] <Berg> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drop_bear
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[9:26] <Berg> http://i.imgur.com/aHXRHuQ.jpg
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[9:45] <stevie86> Hi! Can someone help me please with a specific grep question?
[9:46] <ShorTie> not till you disclose it .. :/~
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[9:48] <Armand> grep "context" /home/stevie86/message/*
[9:48] <stevie86> I have a logfile that lists entries of processing an sms. there are several lines for each sms... I know that sudo tail -f /var/log/smsd.log | grep $(date +"%Y-%m-%d") gets me all entries of today. How do i filter for multiple arguments? The lines contain either sent or moved or the pattern "SMS sent" without quotes
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[9:50] <mfa298> first you might want cat rather than tail, tail -f will only give you the last few lines (10 i think) and then follow the end of the file. cat would give you the whole file.
[9:51] <mfa298> second you really shouldn't need sudo for most log files (if you do somethings been setup wrong)
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[9:51] <mfa298> then the easiest approach is to just add a '| grep <filter>' on the end of your command:
[9:52] <mfa298> grep $(date +"%Y-%m-%d") /var/log/smsd.log | grep "SMS sent"
[9:53] <stevie86> ok, works without sudo
[9:53] <stevie86> but how do I ask for multiple patterns here?
[9:53] <ShorTie> by adding pipes, |
[9:54] <mfa298> that example I just gave you should give everything with todays data and "SMS sent" in it
[9:54] <stevie86> I can go | grep pattern 1 | grep pattern 2 | grep pattern 3 ?
[9:54] <ShorTie> ya
[9:55] <stevie86> great
[9:55] <mfa298> maybe go read up on what grep does and how it works
[9:55] <stevie86> ill try
[9:55] <Armand> Also... grep -v "text" will exclude
[9:55] <Armand> :)
[9:55] <Armand> Useful for removing junk from the output.
[9:56] <stevie86> ok, thanks again
[9:56] <mfa298> stevie86: you may find it useful to get a beginners linux type book, a lot of this stuff is likely covered in most of them.
[9:57] <Armand> http://linuxcommand.org/learning_the_shell.php
[9:57] <ShorTie> best book i've seen is google .. :/~
[9:58] <Armand> ^ +++
[9:58] <Armand> I couldn't get my head around the plot though..
[9:58] <Armand> Too many characters.
[9:59] * Armand gets his coat and leaves...
[9:59] <ShorTie> oh Mr.Google, search "grep multiple patterns" Pleaze
[10:00] <Armand> ShorTie: http://bfy.tw/22Gd < Thar ya go!
[10:00] <stevie86> great it works now!
[10:00] <mfa298> you can usually get man pages on google by searching "man <command>"...
[10:00] <ShorTie> stackexchange has answers for about everything
[10:00] <mfa298> ... but don't do that for the find command.
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[10:01] <Armand> mfa298: Cannot... unsee... !!
[10:02] <ShorTie> hmmm, don't need no pipe it seems, grep -e foo -e bar *.txt
[10:03] <ShorTie> love that stackexchange, lol.
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[10:22] <stevie86> I'm trying to install tor... but when I do sudo apt-get install tor the package is not found. Here is my sources.list: http://pastebin.com/eSy85RTY
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[10:56] <stormpp> [New in Raspberry] So I have a raspberry and I want to play around with it. I have an OSMC OS. Can anyone help with some links, resources or explain how can I get started to develop on OSMC. I now that Raspbian OS comes with build-in IDE for Python. How can I get an IDE for C++ and Python for OSMC.
[10:58] <stormpp> I looked around but I could find any decent explaination on this topic for OSMC :(
[10:58] <stormpp> couldn't*
[11:00] <Tachyon`> I'm not really sure what you're asking?
[11:01] <stormpp> Tachyon, a way to get around OSMC and start developing. How do I download an IDE for C++ and Python. Where do I need to go to download the packages
[11:01] <mfa298> aiui osmc is designed as a media center distro, if you want to learn coding your probably better with raspbain
[11:01] <Tachyon`> if it's like openelec, you can't easily, thre's no way of installing additional packages easily, if it's just raspbian with kodi added youn can probably just apt-get what you need (build-essential to start with)
[11:02] <Tachyon`> or you can use noobs and have raspbian and osmc on the same card and just boot the os you need
[11:03] <stormpp> ok thanks Tachyon`, mfa298 :)
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[11:04] <Tachyon`> as for an IDE you don't need one and if you're just starting you probably shouldn't use one
[11:04] <Tachyon`> you need to know how to do things at the command line
[11:04] <Tachyon`> move to an IDE later as things get more complex
[11:05] <mfa298> just learn to use vim
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[11:06] <mfa298> If you're learning to proramme you're probably best off sticking to one language, and if a beginner that language should probably be python (or ruby)
[11:06] <stormpp> Tachyon` I need the IDE for a relay hardware application, you can't exactly do that in a command line :)
[11:07] <stormpp> thks guys :)
[11:07] <stevie86> Hi! I'm trying to set up a python script that sends a daily report via mail. The script works, but i cant seem to pass the arguments correctly. How can I pipe the output of a grep statement to the script? heres the script http://pastebin.com/XT3uh9ma
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[11:07] <mfa298> an IDE is just a glorified text editor with some of the tools built in to help you compile and debug code. You can do all that on a command line.
[11:08] <stevie86> and i do python sendmail-x-args.py "grep $(date +"%Y-%m-%d") /var/log/smsd.log | grep "SMS sent"" (I renamed the script on my setup)
[11:08] <mfa298> compiling and debugging really only apply to compiled languages like C and C++ so don't really apply to python (at which point the IDE is mostly a glorified text editor)
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[11:08] <NedScott> OSMC is built on debian, so you can use apt-get
[11:09] <Tachyon`> argh, I wasn't trying to stat a holy war there, lol
[11:09] <Lartza> I like PyCharm though, you can't take that away from me!
[11:09] * Tachyon` nips to the shops before someone drops a bomb in teh channel
[11:09] * Armand sends long-range bombers after Tachyon`!!
[11:10] * mfa298 fires emacs at Tachyon`
[11:10] <mgottschlag> debugging certainly applies to other languages as well
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[11:11] <mgottschlag> it's just easier, because the debugger does not have to disassemble a huge blob of machine code
[11:12] <mfa298> true, I was maybe oversimplifying that a bit.
[11:12] <mgottschlag> the only languages where debugging might not make as much sense are functional languages like haskell
[11:12] <mgottschlag> I think people solely rely on unit tests there
[11:13] <ScrumpyJack> before I start looking around, has anyone seen rpi zero stock online in the UK?
[11:14] <mfa298> stevie86: I really suggest finding a beginners guide for linux, a lot of the the things you ask about should be covered and likely better than people spoon feeding you a range of varying answers.
[11:14] <stevie86> thanks
[11:15] <daveake> And "man" up :)
[11:15] <Habbie> ScrumpyJack, unlikely
[11:15] <mgottschlag> ScrumpyJack: what do you want to do with it? there are some other boards which might not be as good as the pi zero, but which fill the same niche
[11:16] <daveake> With some exceptions (mfa298 mentioned one) "man <command>" works well on google, as well ofc in Linux
[11:16] <mgottschlag> (e.g. if you just want something embeddable which doesn't require too much CPU power, you could look at those rt5350 wifi modules)
[11:18] <mgottschlag> that said, I would love to have a pi zero as well, but, as it wasn't available in time, I needed to look for alternatives
[11:25] <ScrumpyJack> mgottschlag: thanks for the advice. it's the zero in need :)
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[11:27] <mgottschlag> okay... I have just seen far too many people who stick to a certain technology instead of doing what brings them closer to their actual goal :)
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[11:42] <ShorTie> stevie86, try like "echo grep_stuff | your_script" maybe
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[11:55] <ARMedRobber-v7> hello
[11:56] <ARMedRobber-v7> where can I download raspberry PI OS so that I can run it on VMWare player ?
[11:56] <monoxane> you cant afaik
[11:56] <ShorTie> raspberry.org
[11:57] <mgottschlag> isn't vmware x86-only?
[11:57] <ARMedRobber-v7> I once ran fryo on VMWare
[11:57] <ARMedRobber-v7> android
[11:57] <mgottschlag> ARMedRobber-v7: you probably want to use qemu instead, and there are instructions on how to run raspbian in qemu
[11:57] <ARMedRobber-v7> So I think it can emulate arm
[11:57] <Armand> Raspbian != Android.
[11:57] <mgottschlag> ARMedRobber-v7: ARM-android, or x86-android?
[11:57] <mgottschlag> there is both
[11:57] <ARMedRobber-v7> ARM
[11:57] <ARMedRobber-v7> iirc
[11:57] <ARMedRobber-v7> it was long back
[11:57] <ARMedRobber-v7> not sure
[11:58] <ARMedRobber-v7> Qemu is hard to setup right ?
[11:58] <ARMedRobber-v7> the networking and all
[11:58] <shauno> vmware doesn't run arm. never has. that's emulation, not virtualization
[11:58] <mgottschlag> https://www.androidfavour.com/read/froyo-vmware-generic-x86-image.html <- looks pretty much like x86 to me
[11:58] <ARMedRobber-v7> I just want to run a few arm binaries and expose it to network as a service
[11:59] <ARMedRobber-v7> I was thinking if buying a pi would be an overkil
[11:59] <mgottschlag> emulating ARM binaries will be really slow
[11:59] <ARMedRobber-v7> So I wanted the best software emulated/virtualizezd way
[11:59] <mgottschlag> so if you are using an emulator in a system which is actually supposed to be usable for something, be careful about the performance
[12:00] <mgottschlag> but then, qemu is probably your best choice
[12:00] <mgottschlag> it's certainly one of the fastest emulators available
[12:00] <ARMedRobber-v7> I see
[12:00] <ARMedRobber-v7> how easy is it to setup NAT, bridge etc in Qemu ?
[12:00] <mgottschlag> you can expect a 20x performance penalty
[12:00] <ARMedRobber-v7> I don't mind performance drop
[12:00] <mgottschlag> NAT should be fairly easy, that's the default setting
[12:00] <ARMedRobber-v7> I just want to hack some ARM bin aries
[12:01] <mgottschlag> but it might be difficult to create reverse connections into the device with NAT
[12:01] <ARMedRobber-v7> port forwarding is messy ?
[12:01] <mgottschlag> how difficult bridges are depends on the host operating system
[12:01] <ShorTie> fwi: armv7 doesn't run on pi, pi's are armv6
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[12:01] <mgottschlag> I've never heard of Qemu port forwarding
[12:01] <ARMedRobber-v7> eh ?
[12:02] <ARMedRobber-v7> then how will NAT work ?
[12:02] <ARMedRobber-v7> My only use is to hack arm applications. Will buying a pi be worth for that ?
[12:03] <BurtyB> only you can answer that
[12:03] <ARMedRobber-v7> actually I don't know what I need
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[12:04] <ARMedRobber-v7> I mean there are a lot of options in buying a pi
[12:04] <gordonDrogon> A Pi is relatively cheap, all things considered.
[12:04] <ARMedRobber-v7> is there a pi with PPC ?
[12:05] <mgottschlag> ARMedRobber-v7: unless there is some specific requirement why you need ARM *binaries*, you can write cross-platform applications without actually having any other system than x86
[12:05] <ARMedRobber-v7> I'm playing with a lot of archs here, that's why I conidered emu first
[12:05] <mgottschlag> I don't know any PPC single board computer
[12:05] <mgottschlag> I know quite some with MIPS, and lots of ARM systems, but that's it
[12:05] <ARMedRobber-v7> cool
[12:05] <ARMedRobber-v7> I need MIPS too
[12:06] <ARMedRobber-v7> there is a pi with MIPS ?
[12:06] <kristina> mgottschlag: hae you seen the recent discussions in raspberrypi-internals?
[12:06] <mgottschlag> but if you just want to develop applications which work on all those systems, then just write portable code
[12:06] <ARMedRobber-v7> no no
[12:06] <ARMedRobber-v7> I am not making appps
[12:06] <mgottschlag> and care about anything else later when you actually need to use the applications on those systems
[12:06] <ARMedRobber-v7> I am just analyzing bins of multiple archs
[12:06] <ARMedRobber-v7> malware analysis
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[12:06] <chithead> there is a dev boards with mips, the ci20
[12:06] <mgottschlag> there is no pi with MIPS, but there are other boards (especially wifi router CPUs)
[12:06] <chithead> wifi routers often lack ram and flash storage
[12:06] <BurtyB> and again qemu can do MIPS
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[12:07] <mgottschlag> kristina: nope
[12:07] <ARMedRobber-v7> so pi is the best board I can get for arm right ?
[12:07] <mgottschlag> ARMedRobber-v7: depends on what you need. the pi is the board with the best software support, by far
[12:07] <mgottschlag> it is not the board with the best CPU performance
[12:07] <ARMedRobber-v7> okay
[12:07] <ARMedRobber-v7> what about MIPS
[12:07] <ARMedRobber-v7> I don't care about perf
[12:08] <ARMedRobber-v7> I just care about robustness
[12:08] <ARMedRobber-v7> emulators are buggy
[12:08] <mgottschlag> the choice depends on how much memory you need
[12:08] <mgottschlag> emulators are usually not really buggy
[12:08] <Chunkyz> 'elo
[12:08] <kristina> mgottschlag: i wrote detailed RAM init code that works on all pis.
[12:08] <mgottschlag> nice
[12:08] <kristina> also got ARM init working almost.
[12:08] <kristina> but haven't finished it due to time issues.
[12:09] <ARMedRobber-v7> what's the best board I can get for MIPS ? I just need a few 100 megs of RAM
[12:09] <BurtyB> which MIPS...
[12:09] <ARMedRobber-v7> 32 atm
[12:09] <ARMedRobber-v7> mips32
[12:09] <ARMedRobber-v7> I might need more
[12:09] <ARMedRobber-v7> I dont' know
[12:09] <ARMedRobber-v7> depends on what products I get later for analysing
[12:10] <ARMedRobber-v7> currently I am staring at a mips32 code
[12:10] <ARMedRobber-v7> will mips fade away in the future ?
[12:10] <ARMedRobber-v7> will mips in routers be replaced ?
[12:10] <ARMedRobber-v7> by arm/intel ?
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[12:15] <mgottschlag> mips CPUs are cheaper than ARM, and good enough for most routers, so probably not in the near future
[12:15] <mgottschlag> at hundreds of MB of RAM, the ci20 is probably your best bet
[12:15] <mgottschlag> no idea how much RAM that system has, but wifi routers generally have a lot less
[12:16] <mgottschlag> but if you have such complex applications, MIPS isn't really the architecture you are targeting
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[12:45] <ARMedRobber-v7> where can I buy a Ci20 online ? I want it shipped to India
[12:49] <BurtyB> google is great... http://www.mouser.in/ProductDetail/Imagination-Technologies/VL-62851/ ?
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[12:52] <ARMedRobber-v7> that's more expensive than I thought :p
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[12:52] <ARMedRobber-v7> what would be the best board I can get under 20$ ?
[12:52] <ARMedRobber-v7> around 20$
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[12:53] <BurtyB> let me check...
[12:53] <BurtyB> yes search engines are still great for this kinda thing
[12:54] <Lartza> You use search engines to... search for stuff? What kind of a monster are you??
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[12:55] <Lartza> I thought cat pics were the only thing one is allowed to search for
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[12:56] <ARMedRobber-v7> I did not want to end up buying not so good product :P
[12:57] <BurtyB> you can also find reviews with a search engine!
[12:57] <BurtyB> Lartza, I know - I'm sure they kill a kitten every time or something :(
[12:57] <ARMedRobber-v7> I thought I'd ask where experts hang out :D
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[12:58] * BurtyB checks the topic.. hmmm
[12:58] <ARMedRobber-v7> well
[12:58] <ARMedRobber-v7> I was told about Ci20 from here
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[12:58] <ARMedRobber-v7> I never heard of that before
[12:58] <ARMedRobber-v7> btw. I was cross posting on ##hardware too
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[13:00] <ARMedRobber-v7> ...---...
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[13:06] <mgottschlag> ARMedRobber-v7: at 20$, your options are quite limited
[13:06] <ARMedRobber-v7> I thought MIPS was cheap
[13:06] <ARMedRobber-v7> I mean we get a fully fledged router at 20k
[13:06] <ARMedRobber-v7> *20$
[13:07] <mgottschlag> yes, but you said you needed hundreds of MB of RAM... that's where things become expensive
[13:07] <ARMedRobber-v7> that was my estimate
[13:07] <ARMedRobber-v7> not sure if I would need that
[13:07] <ARMedRobber-v7> my purpose is to analyse some malwares
[13:07] <ARMedRobber-v7> mips targetted
[13:07] <ARMedRobber-v7> what amout of RAM would I need for that you think >
[13:07] <ARMedRobber-v7> ?
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[13:08] <ARMedRobber-v7> *amount
[13:08] <mgottschlag> I don't know, I've never heard of any MIPS malware, but if there is such a thing, then it shouldn't require too much RAM
[13:08] <mgottschlag> but it also depends on the type of analysis
[13:09] <ARMedRobber-v7> MIPS malwares are very common right ?
[13:09] <ARMedRobber-v7> routers are the sweet spots of attack since they are the ones most exposed
[13:09] <ARMedRobber-v7> I just need to run radare2 on it
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[13:09] <ARMedRobber-v7> and run the malware itsef
[13:09] <ARMedRobber-v7> *itself
[13:09] <mgottschlag> I doubt they are... while routers are exposed, every router has different security problems, and malware is probably rather specialized
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[13:10] <ARMedRobber-v7> these days, malwares are generic
[13:10] <ARMedRobber-v7> and adapting
[13:11] <ARMedRobber-v7> polymorphic
[13:11] <ARMedRobber-v7> etc.
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[13:48] <ThePendulum> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozKAJ6LKbok
[13:48] <ThePendulum> my WS2801 is misbehaving :')
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[13:49] <Cheaterman> Hello buddies, I hope you're doing goodie ^__^
[13:49] <Cheaterman> I can't get gstreamer to play x264 video on jessie
[13:49] <Cheaterman> apparently it's a known issue
[13:50] <Cheaterman> I couldn't get ffmpeg either, because libav :/
[13:50] <Cheaterman> So I'm pretty much out of options
[13:50] <Cheaterman> I'd love some help please ^__^
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[15:40] <Bilby> I really wish I could get a Pi going with a decent Jukebox-style GUI aha
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[15:41] <Tenkawa> theres not one?
[15:41] <Bilby> There's probably something 'okay'
[15:41] * Bilby would like to take out or add on to the Touchtunes juke at his bar
[15:41] <Tenkawa> ahh
[15:42] <Bilby> np: The Penguins - Earth Angel
[15:42] <Bilby> I'm in a 60s mood apparently lol
[15:42] <Tenkawa> hehehehe
[15:42] <Bilby> one reason touchtunes has become so dominant is they really figured out a juke paradigm that works in the modern world
[15:43] <Bilby> streaming media = huge library, no maintenance, no moving parts. decent mobile apps, and it takes cash and card
[15:43] <Tenkawa> I still remember the 70's and 80's jukeboxes at our local bowling alley
[15:44] <Bilby> my wife worked at Johnny Rockets for a while when they still had the tabletop remote boxes for the juke system. something like that would be super cool
[15:44] <Bilby> Every once in a while I still see an old cd-based box at a bowling alley or bar
[15:45] <Tenkawa> yep
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[15:46] <Bilby> whoops
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[15:53] <mfa298> Bilby: I used to make use of mpd which you could plug a variety of front ends onto. Might provide a starting poing (you might need to do your own gui for it)
[15:53] <Bilby> Yeah it looks like mopidy is the most popular solution
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[15:56] <Drzacek> Hello
[15:56] <Bilby> Ugh. After all of the additional code needed to take money and have a user-friendly interface and I'd have to profit $400 / year just to cover the stupid ASCAP license
[15:56] <Bilby> howdy Drzacek
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[15:57] <Drzacek> I'm preparing my system on RPi3. Are there any issues with just using that sd card on pi zero?
[15:57] <Bilby> no wonder people just go with touchtunes :|
[15:57] <Drzacek> Or is there something I should be aware of
[15:57] <Tenkawa> Bilby: licensing... it was a doozy back in the 90s even at a radio station i was at if I remember correctly
[15:57] <Bilby> Drzacek: if it's a recent image you should be fine
[15:58] <Bilby> Tenkawa: it's easier for places that only play recorded music, but you still have to have it or their little witchhunters may come around
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[15:58] <Drzacek> Bilby, because I have no HDMI monitor, and since pizero has no ethernet port, I can't ssh to it to troubleshoot
[15:58] <Tenkawa> Bilby: yep
[15:59] <Tenkawa> afk for a min.
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[16:04] <Tenkawa> back
[16:04] <Zardoz> wb
[16:05] <Tenkawa> now if we just had better weather
[16:05] <Tenkawa> uggh
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[16:06] <Drzacek> Zardoz, wb = want beer ?
[16:06] <Zardoz> Drzacek: you know it!
[16:06] <Drzacek> :D
[16:07] <Zardoz> Drzacek: what kind of berrs you like?
[16:08] <Zardoz> beers even
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[16:08] <Drzacek> Zardoz, cold & free of course
[16:08] <Zardoz> hell you thats what I am talking about.
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[16:10] * Tenkawa is allergic
[16:10] <Drzacek> Zardoz, any chance you're in western germany right now?
[16:10] <Zardoz> I wish
[16:10] <Zardoz> I hear they have beer
[16:10] <Chillum> West Germany? Yes they have beer
[16:11] * Tenkawa hasnt been to germany in years
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[16:11] <Drzacek> Tenkawa, you can't be allergic to beer. It contains only basic microelements needed by your body
[16:11] <Zardoz> hey Chillum
[16:11] * Tenkawa would really go back to Luxembourg though if he was to travel to europe
[16:11] <Chillum> hi
[16:11] <Tenkawa> Drzacek: its the alcohol
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[16:11] <Drzacek> I recently moved here from Munich, and I must say it's not as good here
[16:11] <Tenkawa> i cant even use alcohol based cough syrups
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[16:12] <Chillum> alcohol == basic microelements needed by your body
[16:12] <Drzacek> Tenkawa, really? that sux
[16:12] <Tenkawa> i get really sick
[16:12] <Tenkawa> yep
[16:12] <Zardoz> oh wow :(
[16:12] <Tenkawa> makes it tough for medications i do actually need
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[16:13] <Zardoz> Chillum: yeah if he drinks to much he gets sick :P just joking...
[16:13] <Drzacek> a friend of mine was allergic to something present in wine. He could drank whole vodka bottle - nothing, but a glass of wine would kill him
[16:14] <Chillum> My uncle was like that, could drink all night no problem
[16:14] <Chillum> it would not kill him
[16:14] <Chillum> one glass of red wine and he was red in the face and falling over
[16:14] <Drzacek> Chillum, back from where I come from it's called "weekend"
[16:14] <Tenkawa> on the other side of the coin I have to ingest large amounts of caffeine
[16:14] <Zardoz> can you get caffeine drunk?
[16:14] <Zardoz> lol
[16:15] <Tenkawa> heh
[16:15] <Drzacek> Zardoz, more likely coffeine high
[16:15] <Tenkawa> i need it to sleep
[16:15] <Drzacek> what xD
[16:15] <lopta> Zardoz: More likely just agitated.
[16:15] <Zardoz> caffeine beer no alcoh
[16:15] <lopta> ...though I'm tempted to fetch me a cup of agitation from the gas station across the road.
[16:15] <Tenkawa> heeheh\
[16:16] <Zardoz> hehe
[16:16] <Tenkawa> Any of you use Winbook products?
[16:16] <Zardoz> I am thinking this might become a non-work day....
[16:17] <Zardoz> Tenkawa: not here
[16:17] <lopta> Tenkawa: Not in recent years.
[16:17] <Tenkawa> yeah its a fairly isolated brand
[16:17] <lopta> Tenkawa: I used to work at a place that handed those out though.
[16:17] <lopta> Honestly didn't know they were still around.
[16:17] <Tenkawa> lopta: yep.. microcenter's kept them going strong
[16:17] <Zardoz> lopta: same here lol
[16:17] <Tenkawa> I have a few of them
[16:18] <Tenkawa> i only use those and my pis
[16:18] <Zardoz> I net the Pis are better :P
[16:18] * lopta grins
[16:18] <lopta> I liked mine, fwiw.
[16:18] <Tenkawa> they both have their place
[16:18] <lopta> I gave it back when I left the company.
[16:19] <lopta> the terrible, terrible company.
[16:19] <Tenkawa> this 10" one makes a great mobile workstation
[16:19] <Tenkawa> tw100 model
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[16:19] <Tenkawa> the tw802 are strong little machines for <100$
[16:19] * lopta looks it up
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[16:20] <Tenkawa> baytrain chipset being the only iffy side
[16:20] <Tenkawa> er baytrail
[16:20] <Zardoz> atom?
[16:20] <Tenkawa> yep
[16:21] <lopta> I really wanted a Bay Trail. It's sad that Intel are killing off Atom
[16:21] <Tenkawa> oh its official?
[16:21] <Tenkawa> aww man
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[16:21] <Zardoz> lopta: why are they doing that
[16:21] <lopta> ...I think in part that's because Raspberry Pi has done so much for ARM
[16:21] <lopta> Zardoz: Bay Trail was sold as Atom, Celeron and Pentium
[16:22] <Zardoz> atom has its place. they need to keep that going
[16:22] <Tenkawa> i had heard they might however i have had really good luck with atom
[16:22] <lopta> Zardoz: I should qualify that. They're killing it for phones and tablets. Perhaps they'll keep it going for embedded stuff.
[16:22] <Tenkawa> lopta: uggh
[16:22] <lopta> I imagine Skylake will kill it for laptops and desktops.
[16:22] <Zardoz> I think that would be stupid of them... but... they know what they are doing....
[16:23] <Tenkawa> this is the tablet one so that impacts me potentially
[16:23] <Zardoz> ah I see.. mmm
[16:23] <lopta> Tenkawa: By the time you replace that, they'll have something else in place, perhaps low-power Skylake or Cannonlake.
[16:23] <Tenkawa> Bilby: well if it wasnt for all this rain the outside air sure feels better
[16:24] <Tenkawa> lopta: i hope so
[16:24] <Zardoz> Arm is a tough egg to crack.
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[16:25] <lopta> Zardoz: In what way?
[16:25] <Zardoz> tough for intel
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[16:26] <Zardoz> Arm has so much market. and used by almost everyone...
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[16:27] <lopta> Zardoz: Ah right. Yes, it's nice to see ARM succeeding again around the world.
[16:27] <vls-xy> Does anyone know how uv4l is sheduled to start at startup? I want to configure the default resolution of my webcam image... can i just change /etc/uv4l/uv4l.raspicam.conf?
[16:30] <Zardoz> <--- likes RPI3 so much just got a second one.
[16:30] <lopta> I'm saving up for a B+ and perhaps some A+ boards.
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[16:31] <vls-xy> I think I found the answer to my own question on the following website: http://www.home-automation-community.com/surveillance-with-raspberry-pi-noir-camera-howto/
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[16:32] <vls-xy> nning those commands, the driver will be loaded at boot time because it is linked with /etc/rcS.d/S04uv4l_raspicam and the file /etc/environment will contain the following line LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/uv4l/uv4lext/armv6l/libuv4lext.so,
[16:32] <Zardoz> lopta: I am most like going to upgrade my asterick server (runnning on Pi1)
[16:34] <Zardoz> already downloaded Raspbpx
[16:34] <Zardoz> image.
[16:34] <Zardoz> for the pi 3
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[16:36] <lopta> I have yet to try that.
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[16:41] * gordonDrogon sticks to asterisk 1.4 ..
[16:42] <Zardoz> why is that?
[16:42] <gordonDrogon> it works for me.
[16:42] <Zardoz> oh :)
[16:42] <Chillum> good reason
[16:42] <gordonDrogon> been useing it for the past 8 years or so. I've no need to upgrade.
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[16:43] <Zardoz> yeah.... just using what the img load has... so...
[16:43] <gordonDrogon> I rolled my own setup from scratch.
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[16:43] <Zardoz> yeah,
[16:44] <Zardoz> do you run it on a pi?
[16:44] <gordonDrogon> not yet, but I'm working on it.
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[16:44] <Zardoz> yeah I just got a pi3 for it.
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[16:44] <Zardoz> it should work well
[16:44] <gordonDrogon> I ran a VoIP telco based on asterisk for the past 9-10 years though. I closed it all down (mostly) last year.
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[16:45] <Zardoz> I see. so I might have some questions for you when the time comes.
[16:45] <gordonDrogon> you might not be able to afford my fees...
[16:45] <Zardoz> :(
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[16:46] <gordonDrogon> :)
[16:47] <Zardoz> I have 2 cisco phones as well.
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[16:47] <gordonDrogon> I got sick fed-up with it, people wanted cheap and weren't prepared to pay.
[16:47] <Zardoz> yeah. I bet...
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[16:47] <gordonDrogon> I ended up doing more support on crap DSL lines, etc. when I should have been doing more product development.
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[16:48] <Zardoz> computers can be the same way...
[16:48] <gordonDrogon> and then there was skypeee
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[16:48] <Zardoz> jez yeah
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[16:48] <gordonDrogon> and the hackers trying to steal your call minutes )-:
[16:50] <gordonDrogon> now its bakery time. a much more relaxing thing to do :)
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[16:50] <Zardoz> you own a bakery?
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[16:52] <Drzacek> So I'm running rpi with small tft screen. I wan't to run retropie on it. Did anyone done something like that before and could help me with it?
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[16:53] <Zardoz> Drzacek: is it running of gpio?
[16:53] <Drzacek> Zardoz, yes
[16:54] <Zardoz> Drzacek: most like will suck. not fast enough
[16:54] <lopta> Wow. I just foiund a USB->RS232 cable that claims "Speed of up to 12 Mbps"
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[16:54] <lopta> I should test the ones I have here to see how fast they'll go.
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[16:55] <Drzacek> Zardoz, how does all the PiGrrl and PiBoy projects are made?
[16:55] <Zardoz> lopta: problem is finding a serial port that will do that. most max out a 115200 or just above that
[16:56] <Zardoz> Dr
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[16:57] <lopta> Zardoz: I'll buy one for each end of the cable. ;-)
[16:57] <Zardoz> Drzacek: most of the tfts that run off gpio are slow. thats why I say most like depending what you got.
[16:57] <lopta> Zardoz: I also wonder about the interrupt overhead.
[16:57] <Zardoz> lopta: yeah....
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[16:58] <Drzacek> Zardoz, slow, like, fps not high enough, or too slow to process the data send to it and in the end won't work at all?
[16:58] <Zardoz> also most stuff serial wise defaults to 9600
[16:58] <lopta> BRB, fetching a thing.
[16:59] <Zardoz> Drzacek: somthing with the screen refresh going thru gpio, dont know if its driver or if the screen just sucks and is slow.
[17:00] <Bilby> Tenkawa: high in the 70s and 100% humidity... whee!
[17:00] <Bilby> I turned my aircon on this morning
[17:00] <Zardoz> Drzacek: I have seen that happen with some of the cheap stuff coming out of china.
[17:00] <Drzacek> Zardoz, well I we won't know if we don't try, are we?
[17:00] <Drzacek> Zardoz, sound like my stuff, that came from china and was cheap
[17:00] <Tenkawa> Bilby: yeah however as we know around here it will change instantly if it feels like it
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[17:01] <Zardoz> Drzacek: deff try it. but just know :P
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[17:01] <Bilby> Snow this afternoon? :P
[17:01] <Tenkawa> calling for a high of 55 sat uggh
[17:01] <Zardoz> Drzacek: like most things good and bad
[17:01] <Drzacek> Zardoz, well, I bought 3.7 EUR worth LCD to try it. If it won't work - too bad. I can still use it to something else. But if it WILL work....profit
[17:01] <Zardoz> Drzacek: yup yup
[17:01] <Tenkawa> Bilby: hehheheh dont give it any ideas
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[17:02] <Drzacek> Zardoz, since it's compatible with adafruit stuff, and their works, there is a chance :D
[17:02] <Zardoz> Drzacek: nice, mist be nicer then...
[17:02] <Bilby> I left my AC on today but the temp turned up so it won't get too hot inside
[17:02] <Bilby> it's mostly the humidity that kills me tbh
[17:02] <Tenkawa> yeah
[17:03] <Tenkawa> one of the things i thought i was getting away from when i moved out of the south.. wow was I wrong
[17:03] <Zardoz> be back in a few mins.
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[17:04] <Bilby> it's at least ~generally~ okay here
[17:04] <Tenkawa> granted not as bad as the swamp i grew up in however still fairly iffy at times
[17:04] <Tenkawa> a lot lot colder
[17:04] <Bilby> omg
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[17:05] <Bilby> Atlanta was like... an armpit in a sauna in a swamp
[17:05] <Tenkawa> yep
[17:05] <Bilby> (in August)
[17:05] <Sam54> Hello. Can-I get help here about USBtoEth adapter with RPi ? (sorry for my french-based english :D)
[17:05] <Bilby> And I had a hatchback with no AC and was stuck in downtown rush hour traffic, the first time i was there :P
[17:05] <Tenkawa> ask away
[17:05] <Tenkawa> Bilby: ouch
[17:05] <Sam54> Tenkawa: privatly ?
[17:06] <Tenkawa> Sam54: no in channel
[17:06] <Bilby> No problem Sam54, I'm sure it's better than my French :)
[17:06] <Tenkawa> that way someone that might be able to help can..
[17:06] <Sam54> Ok. I bought an USB to Eth adapter. I would like to connect my router on the nativ eth port and my computer on the other eth port
[17:07] <Sam54> How to configure the "USB" interface ?
[17:08] <Sam54> (lsusb show the adapter correctly but no interface is congiured to use it => ifconfig -a)
[17:08] <Tenkawa> Sam54: does it show up if you run ifconfig -a in a shell?
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[17:08] <Tenkawa> heheh guess not
[17:08] <Sam54> Tenkawa: No. Only eth0, the loopback and wlan0
[17:08] <Tenkawa> ok... dmesg | grep firmware
[17:09] <Tenkawa> and dmesg | grep -i usb
[17:09] <Tenkawa> any errors or firmware msgs?
[17:09] <Sam54> Tenkawa: no error
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[17:10] <Tenkawa> does lsusb -v tell you what module its looking for?
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[17:11] <Drzacek> How do I make autologin? The instructions I see are old and I don't see that files here
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[17:11] <Sam54> Tenkawa: dmesg | grep usb => "usbcore: registered new interface driver brcmfmac"
[17:12] <Tenkawa> interesting
[17:12] <Tenkawa> tthats the broadcom fullmac
[17:13] <Tenkawa> anyone else got some thoughts?
[17:13] <Tenkawa> which model pi is this?
[17:13] <Sam54> an RPi 3B
[17:13] <Tenkawa> doesnt the 3 use the fmac al?
[17:13] <Tenkawa> all
[17:13] <mfa298> Drzacek: I think raspi-config has options to setup autologin
[17:14] <Sam54> I don't know what's fmac
[17:14] <giddles> is there any ai for the pi?
[17:14] <Tenkawa> i need to step away however hopefully someone can help... i'll be back in a few
[17:14] <Tenkawa> Sam54: that was a question for channel
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[17:15] <Bilby> Tenkawa: i don't remember offhand. haven't had to dael with it mostly haha
[17:15] <Drzacek> mfa298, yes! thanks
[17:15] <Sam54> Tenkawa: Oh ok :)
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[17:15] <Bilby> Sam54: what model is the adapter?
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[17:17] <Drzacek> soooo...you can't run emulationstation via ssh?
[17:17] <Sam54> Bilby: Standart Microsystems Corp. SMSC9512/9514 Fast Ethernet Adapter
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[17:19] <cokovskis> Hi, has anyone here attached a fan on his/her Raspberry Pi?
[17:20] <Zardoz> yes
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[17:20] <SomeT> if you were doing a computer vision project, how do you know which is better in terms of latency, a direct camera interface on a raspberry pi or direct usb interface via a webcam?
[17:20] <SomeT> the thing is a usb webcam works out cheaper
[17:20] <SomeT> but I need something to analyse data really fast
[17:20] <SomeT> the data being mainly via the camera
[17:20] <cokovskis> Can I somehow use a 12V fan?
[17:20] <Zardoz> would you consider the tor network the high internet ? lol
[17:20] <SomeT> ?
[17:21] <Zardoz> SomeT: not really
[17:21] <cokovskis> I don't have a 5V fan, is it possible to use the 12V one?
[17:21] <Zardoz> SomeT: it might run slow or not at all.
[17:21] <SomeT> what on the pi?
[17:21] <SomeT> or via the usb cam?
[17:21] <Zardoz> SomeT: correct
[17:22] <SomeT> the usb cam being on a desktop pc
[17:22] <SomeT> ah ok so I am better going with a usb cam overall right hooked into my desktop pc?
[17:22] <Zardoz> oh SomeT I got you crossed
[17:22] <Zardoz> cokovskis: you can try but the fan will run slow or not at all in some cases.
[17:22] <methuzla> cokovskis, yes, but would require some external hardware (power transistor, etc)
[17:23] <Zardoz> or you can do that
[17:23] <methuzla> cokovskis, oh, you just want to plug the 12V into 5V?
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[17:23] <cokovskis> I just want to use that fan, if possible.
[17:23] <Bilby> Sam54 is that the same chipset as the one built into the Pi? It should work out of the box if so. weird.
[17:24] <methuzla> cokovskis, do you have a 12v power supply?
[17:24] <SomeT> Zardoz what do y ou mean?
[17:24] * lopta resists the urge to buy a Pi-Top
[17:24] <cokovskis> No, methuzla.
[17:24] <SomeT> I mean do I go with: Option 1: Pi and camera module or Option 2: Desktop PC with webcam
[17:24] <Zardoz> SomeT: I had you crossed with someone else nevermind
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[17:24] <Sam54> Bilby: I think. I saw it was compatible with a RaspberryPi
[17:25] <methuzla> cokovskis, then as Zardoz said, slow or nothing, or short answer - no
[17:25] <cokovskis> It won't damage the Raspberry Pi if I do that?
[17:25] <Zardoz> cokovskis: nope
[17:26] <methuzla> cokovskis, how do you plan to attach it to the pi?
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[17:27] <mfa298> cokovskis: if you connect a 12v fan to the 5v lines on the pi the worst that might happen is it makes the pi reboot (or fail to boot). removing the fan should fix that if it happens
[17:27] <SomeT> I mean do I go with: Option 1: Pi and camera module or Option 2: Desktop PC with usb webcam????
[17:27] <mfa298> cokovskis: exactly what happens is likely to depend on the fans ratings
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[17:28] <cokovskis> When I saw that my fan is a 12V fan, I halted the entire proccess, methuzla.
[17:28] <Zardoz> again will not damage the pi
[17:28] <cokovskis> I am asking here because someone told me I could play with the molex connector and use its 5V wire.
[17:28] <Tenkawa> bbialw
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[17:29] <cokovskis> Maybe I should just get a 5V fan.
[17:29] <SomeT> anyone?
[17:29] <Zardoz> does not matter it all about the windings and tronics in the fan that define the 12V
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[17:30] <Zardoz> ther is nothing that will ZAP back to the pi, the pi is suppling the power.
[17:31] <mfa298> cokovskis: a 5v fan is likely to work better, but you can always try the 12v one you have and see what happens
[17:31] <Zardoz> the most that will happen is it will run slow or not at all.
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[17:32] <Zardoz> it's like water pushing a mill. if not enough water flow. it will not push the mill or it will be slow...
[17:34] <cokovskis> Sorry if my question sounded stupid, I don't know much about electronics.
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[17:34] <cokovskis> Except Ohm's law, I still remember that one.
[17:34] <lopta> cokovskis: Sounds like a resonable question to me. There's also ##electronics if you're interested in learning more about that.
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[17:35] <lopta> cokovskis: Mr. Ohm's law is useful!
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[17:35] <cokovskis> Yes, I'm definetely interested in learning more, I am searching for some learning resources.
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[17:36] <cokovskis> Can you recommend me anything?
[17:36] <Zardoz> SomeT: sorry what are you trying to do?
[17:36] <SomeT> I am trying to teach a computer recognise different faces
[17:36] <lopta> cokovskis: I'm not sure but ##electronics will know.
[17:36] <SomeT> using computer vision libraries
[17:37] <cokovskis> Thanks, lopta, there seems to be a book suggestion in the channel's topic.
[17:37] <Zardoz> ok, so you are wondering about what cam to use?
[17:38] <SomeT> yes
[17:38] <SomeT> like would a pi cam module be better because its a direct interface into the hardware
[17:38] <SomeT> over a usb webcam
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[17:40] <ThePendulum> anyone like to mess around with my LED grid? http://84.25.144.220:3000/ <-- each value takes a formula with variables beat (b), index (i, position on strand), length (l), x, y (position on grid), width (w), height (h), random (r, random value per beat) and pixelRandom (pr, random value for each pixel). It still crashes when an incomplete formula is entered, unfortunately :P
[17:40] <ThePendulum> live stream https://opentokrtc.com/leddemo
[17:40] <Zardoz> SomeT: ok, cool. I am not sure on the new pi cam if it's fixed focus, but that might be a problem if it is. but the new cam is 8MP so the res is better them most webcams and cost mush cheapper.
[17:40] <Zardoz> nice ThePendulum
[17:40] <ThePendulum> just a number is also a valid 'formula' of course, no need to get fancy just to get it to work :p
[17:42] <Bilby> Oops, we lost sam
[17:43] <Drzacek> Zardoz, I got it working. Don't know why retropie I installed doesn't have gameboy emulators, but either way - emulation station works, I was able to configure controls and play doom, and then run dosbox. The image is not so beautiful, but I get a little flicker from my loose cables
[17:43] <Zardoz> Drzacek: nice, sounds like you got a good display
[17:44] <Zardoz> Drzacek: I seen someone do the samething and the display they got was trash. even the website had (not for video or game use)
[17:44] <Drzacek> Zardoz, it might be wrong settings
[17:45] <Drzacek> true, it lags a little
[17:45] <Drzacek> but I think it is bearable (beer'able :D)
[17:45] <cokovskis> Nice, ThePendulum.
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[17:45] <Zardoz> yeah I gpio can only go so fast...
[17:45] <lopta> I have to go and fix someone's printer.
[17:45] <cokovskis> I messed around a bit.
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[17:46] <cokovskis> It would be great if you have hex code input too.
[17:46] <ThePendulum> yeah I'll be adding that in a bit, with a full color picker as well
[17:46] <ThePendulum> and it'll update changes for everyone
[17:46] <ThePendulum> now I can't see what you're doing
[17:47] <cokovskis> I'm not doing anything, I closed both the stream and the page.
[17:47] <ThePendulum> yeah
[17:47] <ThePendulum> well someone was changing it a minute ago
[17:47] <ThePendulum> but I couldn't see those changes on the webpage, only on the grid itself
[17:47] <Drzacek> Zardoz, but it is running @20fps. I wonder if I can set this higher
[17:47] <ThePendulum> I'll make it so those changes are synchronized
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[17:47] <ThePendulum> it gets really powerful when you use the variables, I'm glad I got a math interpreter to work with it
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[17:48] <Zardoz> Drzacek: dont know...might have to play with the driver...
[17:48] <ThePendulum> you can create gradients, animations, etc.
[17:48] <SomeT> ok so now its usb cam or pi cam?
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[17:48] <cokovskis> What kind of hardware do you use, ThePendulum?
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[17:48] <cokovskis> It would be nice to reproduce that.
[17:48] <ThePendulum> it's a Pi 3 controlling a WS2812B in this case, it can do other WS281x and WS2801 as well
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[17:50] <ThePendulum> need to get some thicker wiring though, I had some smoke production earlier :p
[17:50] <cokovskis> For how much did you get everything needed, except the Raspberry Pi?
[17:50] <Zardoz> SomeT: it's hard to beat a 8MP cam for $25
[17:51] <ThePendulum> I got the grid as a gift so I'm honestly not too sure, the strip (WS2801, 160 LEDs, 5M) I had was some 60usd I think
[17:52] <ThePendulum> the grid was about 100usd if I had to guess
[17:52] <ThePendulum> then some wiring of course, not too sure how much that costs all together, since I obviousy bought a lot more wire than I used here
[17:52] <SomeT> does it work like a webcam?
[17:52] <SomeT> the picam?
[17:52] <ThePendulum> I also got a level shifter, but those are just $1
[17:52] <Zardoz> ThePendulum: is it the one from adafrut
[17:53] <SomeT> XVGA (1024 x 768) resolution is the same as mp?
[17:53] <ThePendulum> not from adafruit itself, but I'm not sure if it's the same model
[17:53] <ThePendulum> it was from a Dutch store that no longer carries it
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[17:53] <ThePendulum> had some trouble establishing what chip it was using
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[17:53] <ThePendulum> I was told it's a WS2811 but it doesn't look like it, so I'm assuming a WS2812B now
[17:53] <ThePendulum> doesn't matter too much, same protocl
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[17:54] <Zardoz> yeah I been kindof wanting one... look fun to play with. but then I I seen the unicornhat from pibo
[17:54] <SomeT> picam vs XVGA (1024 x 768) resolution webcam? does the picam detect movement as in record video?
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[17:55] <ThePendulum> these LEDs are seriously beefy, I usually test them at half or 1/4th their intensity or I'm just blinding myself
[17:55] <ThePendulum> hence the 22awg wiring is also having trouble
[17:55] <SomeT> ?
[17:55] <ThePendulum> SomeT: not sure, sorry
[17:56] <SomeT> actually that is 2mp
[17:56] <SomeT> I mean so one problem is out the way
[17:56] <SomeT> does the pi cam record live video?
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[17:56] <Zardoz> ThePendulum: yeah the ones from ada, are blinding.
[17:57] <Zardoz> SomeT: yes
[17:57] <Zardoz> SomeT: it cn do stills and video
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[17:57] <SomeT> um
[17:58] <vls-xy> is it possible to overlay pictures onto my webcam image using uv4l?
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[18:00] <ThePendulum> hmm I should figure out a radial pattern from the center
[18:00] <ThePendulum> pretty cool that I don't need to program anything new into the controller for that
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[18:00] <ScrumpyJack> anyone come across problems loading custom kernel on a RPi zero?
[18:00] <ThePendulum> absolutely love the math interpreter
[18:00] <ScrumpyJack> I get 7 blinks on the green activity light = can't find kernel.img
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[18:04] <ScrumpyJack> my config.txt points to my kernel like so: http://sprunge.us/IgQX
[18:04] <ScrumpyJack> boot/vmlinuz-rpi: Linux kernel ARM boot executable zImage (little-endian)
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[18:08] <Zardoz> mmm 64GB evo+ $16.99
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[18:48] <TheSin> I'm trying to test gpio-watch from https://github.com/larsks/gpio-watch, is there a gpio that changes so I can make sure this is working properly?
[18:48] <TheSin> I'm trying it on 46 to detect hdmi, but it isn't working so I want to test one I knwo works
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[18:48] <gordonDrogon> try setting/clearing the inputs via the internal pull-up/down resistors?
[18:49] <TheSin> I've never done that, I'll have to read about it, thanks for the hint that, that'll work
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[18:49] <gordonDrogon> if you have wiringPi installed then: run gpio-watch in one window then:
[18:49] <gordonDrogon> gpio -g mode $pin up ; gpio -g mode $pin down
[18:49] <gordonDrogon> to trigger a falling-edge event.
[18:49] <TheSin> perfect thanks
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[18:50] <gordonDrogon> the g makes gpio use the bcm pin numbers.
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[18:50] <gordonDrogon> (you probably want that and not native wiringPi numbers)
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[18:51] <TheSin> ahh that is a good hint, thanks gordonDrogon
[18:51] <hypermist> https://www.massdrop.com/buy/seeed-raspberry-pi-b-1gb-media-kit?utm_placement=3&referer=BWR4RV&mode=guest_open&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Automated%20Daily%20Promotional%202016-05-11&utm_term=Daily%20Promotional
[18:51] <hypermist> Whoah
[18:51] <hypermist> that was bigger than expected
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[18:52] <gordonDrogon> TheSin, you can test basic pin input with the gpio untility too: gpio -g wfi $pin falling - will wait for a falling evnt on the pin. handy in scripts, etc. but you can run that in one window then the gpio... mode up/mode down in another for a simple test.
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[18:54] <TheSin> gordonDrogon, I'm just trying to find a good solid way to monitor pin46, I need to know when the hdmi is unplugs to stop a service, and start it again when it's back up
[18:54] * gordonDrogon ponders.
[18:54] <TheSin> I thought gpio-watch would be okay though over kill for it
[18:54] <gordonDrogon> I'm not aware of what that pin does to be honest.
[18:54] <TheSin> but after compiling it and see the issues in jsut the docu for it I'm worried about it running as a daemon
[18:55] <TheSin> 46 is hdmi hotplug
[18:55] <gordonDrogon> is it a new one on the Pi 3?
[18:55] <TheSin> so I check it by hand it works, it's 0 when it's pluged and 1 when it's not
[18:55] <TheSin> naw pi2 ATM here
[18:55] <gordonDrogon> ok
[18:55] <gordonDrogon> well, try: gpio -g wfi 46 falling
[18:55] <TheSin> I checked it with /sys/class/gpio
[18:56] <gordonDrogon> then plug in an hdmi lead ...
[18:56] <TheSin> yeah I'm gonan do that just need to build wiringPi
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[18:56] <gordonDrogon> the gpio command should stall, then return when the lead is plugged in.
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[18:56] <gordonDrogon> wiringPi is installed with raspbian these days...
[18:56] <TheSin> yeah I dont' use raspbian
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[18:56] <gordonDrogon> ok
[18:56] <TheSin> I have a custom image I produce
[18:56] <gordonDrogon> cd ~ ; git clone git://git.drogon.net/wiringPi ; cd wiringPi ; ./build
[18:57] <TheSin> hehe little more complicated, apt-get install git and build-env then that ;)
[18:57] <gordonDrogon> ok :)
[18:58] <TheSin> I cross compile everythign on amd64 for my images
[18:58] <TheSin> so that my images are small and don't have crft
[18:58] <TheSin> but for testing it's not as nice ;)
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[19:13] <Chunkyz> 'elo
[19:13] <Zardoz>
[19:13] <Chunkyz>
[19:13] <Chunkyz> we all can do that XD
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[19:29] <computer2000> Hi I'm trying to install pi-blaster but when I do sudo apt-get install pi-blaster I get package not found... any advice?
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[19:30] <Zardoz> might not be in the repo
[19:31] <Zardoz> yeah source files only, not in the repo
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[19:40] <TheSin> gordonDrogon, watching gpio 46 doesn't do anythign sadly
[19:40] <TheSin> hmmm
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[19:41] <TheSin> maybe I need to export it forst?
[19:41] <TheSin> first
[19:43] <computer2000> Zardoz: I compiled it now myself, working
[19:43] <computer2000> Anyone ever user pi-blaster to control pins with PWM?
[19:44] <Zardoz> computer2000: nice...
[19:44] <TheSin> gordonDrogon, ahh if I check exports, it's always falling, but the value changes form 0 (plugged) to 1 (unplugged), any idea how I can get the value change?
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[19:47] <ChrisGR> hi guys...anyone used motion? Camera fails after 10 sec...
[19:47] <ChrisGR> any suggestion ?
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[20:04] <TheSin> gordonDrogon, looks like what I need is https://developer.ridgerun.com/wiki/index.php?title=Gpio-int-test.c
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[20:14] <computer2000> Can anyone help me control servo speed with pi-blaster or pigpio, either would be ok? I get the servos to move to the angle I want, but how to control the speed with which they move?
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[20:15] <methuzla> computer2000, hobby servos?
[20:15] <computer2000> methuzla: yes
[20:15] <computer2000> methuzla: well thei're quite high spec actually
[20:15] <methuzla> in general, you can't control speed
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[20:16] <methuzla> the only way is to programmaticly increase/decrease the PWM signal
[20:16] <pksato> change angle on steps.
[20:17] <computer2000> methuzla: how could I do that?
[20:18] <computer2000> pksato: you mean writing an own easing, acceleration sequence basically?
[20:18] <pksato> yes
[20:19] <pksato> but, some lib can be have a function to do it.
[20:19] <computer2000> But using the code from the readme - how would I just make the servo move more slowly? https://github.com/fivdi/pigpio
[20:19] <computer2000> pksato: something accelstepper for Arduino? http://www.airspayce.com/mikem/arduino/AccelStepper/
[20:21] <pksato> this is for stepper motors.
[20:22] <methuzla> computer2000, add a delay in the loop example under 'Servo control'
[20:23] <methuzla> second link - also, it's for arduino
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[20:25] <CacheMoney> anyone familiar with the RetroPie image?
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[20:38] <Syslq> What is the max voltage I can bring into rPI's input?
[20:38] <Rukus> CacheMoney: i installed it no problem
[20:38] <pksato> 3.6V
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[20:39] <jq-> Syslq: 825.1V
[20:39] <Syslq> jq-, I was kind of serious
[20:39] <jq-> I wouldn't recommend it though
[20:39] <Rukus> sounds a tad high
[20:39] <Syslq> pksato, thanks
[20:39] <jq-> You can put as much power as you want in. I didn't say it wouldn't fry it :P
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[20:40] <pksato> like and other digital device, vcc+0.3
[20:40] <pksato> any other
[20:40] <Syslq> So 5.03V
[20:41] <pksato> no. 3.6V
[20:41] <pksato> VCC on raspberry pi is 3v3.
[20:41] <Syslq> pksato, ah I was checking powers supply for it
[20:41] <Syslq> Thanks
[20:42] <Syslq> 3.6 is enough, I'm trying to bring in the singal from digital I/O (network camera).
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[20:53] <niervol1> hello all. could anybody point me to some simple tutorial on how to make rpi to act as a circuit switch, please? I need to plug rpi to a cable and open/close circuit with 'echo [01]' to some gpio pins. which gpio pins I could use for this?
[20:53] <niervol1> I have rpi 3B
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[20:55] <pksato> niervol1: It is not easy to answer.
[20:56] <pksato> Read The MagPi. https://www.raspberrypi.org/magpi/
[20:57] <pksato> have some tutorials.
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[20:59] <gordonDrogon> niervol1, controlling pins is easy at the command line with the gpio command - e.g. gpio mode 0 out ; gpio write 0 1
[20:59] <gordonDrogon> niervol1, the hard part is the actual interfacing the Pi to your device(s)
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[21:32] <niervol1> looked at the tutorials. I need something very simple. just rpi in the middle of one wire. and switching this wire on/off with command line. which pins to use?
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[21:41] <lopta> niervol1: What are you switching?]\
[21:41] <lopta> Note to self: American keyboards have funny enter keys.
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[21:47] <mfa298> niervol1: any of the controllable gpio pins would work, but you'll need a few components in the middle which will depend on what it is you're controlling
[21:50] <pksato> niervol1: "switch" control mains power?
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[21:55] * mfa298 hopes not, If you have to ask these sorts of questions you shouldn't touch mains
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[22:00] <niervol1> I have Aton T7 WL wireless programmable thermostat. it has a manual on/off button on the wired based connected to the heater. I need to control that manual button with rpi
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[22:01] <niervol1> heater === aton base/receiver (with manual button) ~~~ aton wireless thermostat
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[22:02] <stiv> sounds like a job for a relay. keeps your pi circuit separate from your thermostat circuit and whatever voltage that runs at
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[22:03] <pksato> niervol1: you need a relay hat, or a rpi compatible relay module (most are for arduinos).
[22:04] <pksato> A transistor can be do the job. But need electronics know how.
[22:05] <pksato> more that to connect a relay.
[22:08] <pksato> These "Heating, Ventilation and Air Conditioning" controllers are standard protocol?
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[22:14] <CoJaBo> I just fixed the heat today
[22:14] <pksato> http://www.nooganeer.com/his/projects/homeautomation/raspberry-pi-thermostat-part-1-overview/
[22:14] <CoJaBo> It's the middle of spring :/
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[22:20] <niervol1> pksato: basically the heater has a jumper wire on two adjacent pins when no thermostat is used (always on). this aton wireless thermostat is connected to main power and two wires go to that heater pins (jumper wire removed). then wireless thermostat controls heater on/off or manual button on the wired receiver can control the heater despite the wireless thermostat. I don't know what voltage and current goes to the heater on
[22:20] <niervol1> two wire but it's simply closing the circuit on/off switch. I suppose I could measure the voltage on the 'manual' button and use my rpi there to similute the pressing of a button.
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[22:25] <mfa298> niervol1: a relay is probably the best thing to control that, in simplistic terms it's a mechanical switch that can be controlled from another circuit
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[22:27] <mfa298> although unless it's a low voltage control signal being used in that I'm not sure I'd recommend fiddling with it. If it's using mains voltages there's a real chance of injury and/or fire if you do something wrong.
[22:28] <lopta> injury, fire, death etc.
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[22:28] <niervol1> I suppose you're right
[22:28] <lopta> ...but you could reasonably switch a low current 12V circuit.
[22:29] <lopta> (where low is perhaps anything under 2A?)
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[22:41] <stevie86> hi! Im just taking my first steps on sendig mail from raspberry pi to gmail via a proprietary server. now when i try to send email I get ssmtp: 550 5.1.0 <pi@rpi2-sol-it> sender rejected
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[22:45] <BurtyB> stevie86, I'd start by sending it from a legitimate from address rather than pi@rpi2-sol-it
[22:47] <mfa298> although also note that smtp can be hard, google (and various others) will drop email randomly based on whether they thinks its spam that day.
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[22:48] <mfa298> and what they think is spam can change minute to minute
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[22:48] <theseb_> help! RP3 issues with ubuntu core new installl... brcmfmac: brcmf_sdio_drivestrengthinit: No SDIO Drive strength init done for chip 43430 rev 1 pmurev 24
[22:48] <theseb_> similar/same to issue here: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=141533
[22:48] <theseb_> anyone seen similar?
[22:49] <stevie86> do you mean the fromlineoverwrite setting?
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[22:56] <theseb_> stevie86: talking to me?
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[22:59] <stevie86> yes, theseb
[22:59] <stevie86> how do I set sender information?
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[23:03] <stevie86> Ok, to clarify, I want to send Email as an existing email adress over a proprietary server
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[23:20] <delsol> Does anyone know why exactly X11 performance on the Pi2 is so bad?
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[23:20] <biberao> hi
[23:20] <biberao> anyone running android on pi2?
[23:20] <oq> delsol: because it's a friggin' pi
[23:20] <delsol> using the Pi2 to run a touchscreen, and X11 forward into another linux box, performance is very lackluster.
[23:20] <oq> I don't run a gui on my pis at all
[23:21] <lopta> delsol: Is it bad?
[23:21] <delsol> I'm not expecting fancy transparency, or anything fantastic, but you'd think it wouldn't be a ton worse than a pentium 3.
[23:21] <lopta> delsol: Ah, perhaps forwarding is the issue. The Raspberry Pi has slow Ethernet, I'm told.
[23:21] <delsol> or a P4 era celeron
[23:21] <biberao> i need to run 2 specific
[23:21] <biberao> android apps
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[23:21] <lopta> I Pentium 3 has faster Ethernet, probably.
[23:21] <biberao> to legally watch football
[23:22] <biberao> do you think it will run?
[23:22] <delsol> lopta: VNC seems to be OK....
[23:22] <lopta> delsol: Yes, VNC is quicker, typically.
[23:22] <lopta> (I've done VNC over a POTS line, though that's not to be recommended)
[23:23] <delsol> lopta: surely the ethernet in the pi2 couldn't be too much worse than wifi on a first gen ipad?
[23:23] <delsol> Xforwarding using a first gen ipad is way faster than the Pi2
[23:23] <lopta> delsol: I don't know about iPads.
[23:23] <biberao> please?
[23:24] <delsol> lopta: I wonder if its not X.... but maybe its the "over SSH" portion thats the problem?
[23:24] <lopta> delsol: There's overhead there, certainly.
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[23:25] <delsol> maybe the encryption/decryption of being over SSH is the issue, maybe there is another way to encrypt that the Pi could do in hardware instead of software.
[23:26] <oq> the 1st gen ipad has n wifi, which could be faster than the pi's ethernet
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[23:26] <lopta> delsol: I don't know what (if any) hardware encryption the Raspberry Pi has (that is documented and coded for)
[23:26] <lopta> oq: Not 802.11g?
[23:26] <oq> lopta: a/b/g/n according to wikipedia
[23:27] <lopta> Hmm... interesting.
[23:28] <delsol> oq: yeah, was connected to G. cheap routers. :)
[23:28] <delsol> $30 linksys heh.
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[23:31] <delsol> Ahh, looks like no hardware crypto...
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[23:32] <delsol> I was thinking it had hardware des/3des or something on the lame end....
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[23:32] <delsol> so no big gains to be made in that direction really.
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[23:34] <green_snow> anyone knows about working with FDD stepper motors through GPIO?
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[23:35] <gordonDrogon> FDD?
[23:35] <lopta> green_snow: I did that a very, very long time ago using a Z80
[23:35] <methuzla> should be like any stepper. h-bridge it.
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[23:36] <green_snow> lopta: how did you connect the pins? did you need to ground the direction and step pins?
[23:36] <gordonDrogon> ah, floppy drive motor?
[23:36] <green_snow> yes
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[23:36] <lopta> green_snow: I don't remember.
[23:37] <green_snow> I would ground them, but I am afraid of burning my RPI...
[23:37] <lopta> green_snow: I imagine it depends how you're powering them.
[23:37] <green_snow> I use a PC PSU
[23:38] <gordonDrogon> if they're bi-polar steppers then use a stepper motor controller chip.
[23:38] <lopta> green_snow: a ground is probably not what you're talking about then.
[23:38] <gordonDrogon> how many wires?
[23:39] <green_snow> wires for...?
[23:39] <gordonDrogon> that go into the stepper motor.
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[23:40] <green_snow> Well... so two of them are used to select the drive B (which I actually achieved), then I use two another to attach GPIOs with the direction and stepping speed pins
[23:40] <gordonDrogon> images I've found suggest 4 wires.
[23:40] <green_snow> oh
[23:40] <green_snow> you're talking about this
[23:40] <green_snow> sorry
[23:40] <green_snow> I see 4 wires there
[23:40] <gordonDrogon> oh right - you're talking to the IDE cable and not directly to the stepper?
[23:41] <green_snow> yes!
[23:41] <gordonDrogon> ok, the cable will have pulse and direction - and Ground/0v.
[23:41] <gordonDrogon> I imagine they're 5v signals, but might be driven via 3.3v.
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[23:41] <methuzla> oh. nevermind about h-bridge then.
[23:41] <delsol> if only apple dumped low-bin A8 chips in an "apple pi" with ethernet, usb, and vga/hdmi/etc The A8 would be PLENTY of horsepower (and then some) for what I need to do.
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[23:42] <gordonDrogon> yea, if you've not taken the drive to bits yet - the drive itself will have the h-bridge/controller stuff.
[23:42] <tjb1> Is it possible to change the time it takes to detect a bluetooth controller on retropie?
[23:42] <tjb1> As in start the pi, let emulationstation load and then turn the controller on. It takes 30 seconds or so before the controller is detected
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[23:45] <gordonDrogon> green_snow, looks like it'll work directly: http://www.interfacebus.com/PC_Floppy_Drive_PinOut.html
[23:45] <gordonDrogon> provide power to the drive then connect the Gnd/0v from the power to the Gnd/0v on the Pi and 2 GPIO lines from the Pi to the drive on the step and direction pins.
[23:46] <gordonDrogon> and hope for the best :)
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[23:47] <green_snow> Oh I see now
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[23:49] <green_snow> Are you sure it is safe? Because I'm using some low-end (probably blacklisted) PSU
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[23:49] <green_snow> or maybe use a 5V battery?
[23:49] <gordonDrogon> no idea. I've never tried it.
[23:49] <gordonDrogon> However that article I linked to suggests a modern drive will work fine with LVTTL signals.
[23:50] <green_snow> Modern drives? I took my FDD from an ancient PC
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[23:51] <methuzla> relative modern
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