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IRC Log for 2016-05-12

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[0:20] <nabblet> hi, is there any difference between powering the raspi 3 via power supply or usb in terms of save power consumption?
[0:21] <SpeedEvil> No.
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[0:21] <nabblet> e.g. using a scanner that may be powered via usb on the raspi?
[0:22] <nabblet> SpeedEvil: thanks.
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[0:23] <SpeedEvil> nabblet: err - I misunderstood your quesiton as 'saving power'
[0:23] <SpeedEvil> not safe power
[0:23] <SpeedEvil> I'm not quite sure if the two inputs are seperate
[0:24] <zacts> is the rpi mathematica the full mathematica?
[0:24] <zacts> or is it just the mathematica viewer app? (I'm installing raspbian now on my rpi2)
[0:24] <nabblet> SpeedEvil: oh :) Good thing you caught that
[0:28] <nabblet> SpeedEvil: the specs of the scanner say up to 9W in operation, 5W in idle/sleep
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[0:29] <nabblet> alas, i'll figure it out. Thanks for your interest
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[0:30] <methuzla> are you trying to power the scanner from the pi usb?
[0:30] <methuzla> oh
[0:30] <methuzla> nevermind then
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[0:59] <Gators> I am trying to use this process to create a folder that is mapped to my network share on my windows desktop from my raspberry pi, https://rasspberrypi.wordpress.com/2012/09/04/mounting-and-automounting-windows-shares-on-raspberry-pi/
[0:59] <Gators> trying to do it ifrom fstab, and that don't work
[0:59] <Gators> can I get help troubleshooting
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[1:19] <Gators> Well, once again, irc chatrooms are about as helpful as always.
[1:19] <Gators> fuck you all
[1:20] <oq> mmmmk
[1:20] <BurtyB> you might want to check the channel rules...
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[1:23] <Gators> Oh, so you are there
[1:23] <Gators> I see, someone comes in, nicely asks for help, nothing.
[1:23] <Gators> Someone bitches you out.....and you're on top of that.
[1:25] <oq> it boggles the mind how someone can act so entitled
[1:25] <Gators> I've put up with nothing but high and mighty bullshit everytime I ask a simple question about linux, and personally, I'm sick and tired of linux geeks.
[1:26] <Gators> Now, if someone in here is actually helpful, I'd be most appreciative if I could get a simple answer. Otherwise, I can go back to cursing.
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[1:26] <oq> you already burnt that bridge the first time you raged
[1:26] <BurtyB> Gators, it's called doing something else rather than watching irc
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[1:27] <theseb> how set up wifi with password? i added code to wpa_supplicant.conf but still issues?!
[1:27] <theseb> anyone else have issues getting wifi to autoconnect to encrypted server?
[1:27] <Gators> I've been googlilng all over the placve, I can't get th is to work at all
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[1:27] <theseb> Gators: what's your issue?
[1:27] <ozzzy> Gators, you'd prefer a line of people saying 'I don't know'
[1:27] <Gators> All I want to do is map a damn windows share on my raspbery pi, something I could do in 10 seconds on any windows machine
[1:28] <theseb> Gators: have you done it before on a linux desktop like ubuntu?
[1:28] <Gators> So far I've gotten it to work manually from the terminal, but editing fstab as that link instructs does nothing, and I don't even have an error message or anything indicating why it doesn't work
[1:28] <ozzzy> Gators, install samba and configure it... it's not rocket science. there are lots of example conf files out there
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[1:29] <chithead> theseb: using raspbian? https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpa_supplicant
[1:29] <feliks> can somebody please tell me whether omxplayer already has built-in youtube-dl support like mpv?
[1:29] <theseb> Gators: if you can get it working on command line just add that line to /etc/rc.local !
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[1:30] <theseb> Gators: that will automagically get run when you reboot! ding!
[1:30] <theseb> chithead: thanky
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[1:32] <Gators> where do I add it to that?
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[1:37] <theseb> Gators: at the end
[1:37] <Gators> thuseb: that didn't work
[1:37] <Gators> Rebooted.....empty folder
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[1:37] <Gators> I thought maybe the line exit 0 at the end indicated the end, and putting it after that might be why it's not working, but you're telling me it should be at the end. Well, it's there, it doesn't work.
[1:37] <Gators> And once again, no error, no reason, nothing to go on to troubleshoot, for a simple process that takes 10 seconds in windows
[1:37] <theseb> Gators: put it before the exit 0....sorry....
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[1:37] <Gators> Ah, excellent.
[1:37] <Gators> will try that, thanks.
[1:37] <theseb> Gators: if you want troubleshooting maybe add a echo "Did this run?" > /tmp/test to it also
[1:38] <Gators> theseb: still empty
[1:39] <theseb> Gators: add this...-> echo "This is a test" > /tmp/test before and after exit 0
[1:39] <theseb> Gators: if you see /tmp/test after you reboot it ran
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[1:41] <Gators> theseb: I have no /tmp/test
[1:41] <theseb> Gators: you had a /etc/rc.local to begin with?
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[1:41] <theseb> Gators: show me the contents
[1:43] <Gators> There's a bunch of comments, there's somethingi about displaying my ip address using printf, there'an if, there's a fi with nothing under it, and there's exit 0, so I put the command between the fi and exit 0
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[1:47] <theseb> Gators: paste to pastebin.com
[1:47] <Gators> um.....
[1:47] <Gators> ugh, I can't even get this thing to disconnect from my wifi to test if something else works better on wired.
[1:48] <Gators> linux sucks so bad
[1:48] <Gators> I can't do that
[1:49] <Gators> ctrl c and ctrl v don't work
[1:49] <jwash> ifdown wlan0 or sometihng like that
[1:49] <jwash> maybe with sudo
[1:49] <Gators> does anyone ever use the gui?
[1:49] <theseb> Gators: then type it out on pastebin.com
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[1:50] <jwash> general rule is that wired is better
[1:50] <Gators> I've got nothing to click ot disable wifi networks, I've got no copy/paste......uh.....I guess I should start with, what can I do with linux?
[1:50] <jwash> do you have a terminal?
[1:51] <jwash> linux isn't as friendly as windoze
[1:51] <jwash> but its free
[1:51] <Chryodem> Cntrl+alt+t
[1:51] <Chryodem> that brings up terminal, lets start there
[1:52] <jwash> hehe, ctrl+alt+t doesn't do it for me on ubuntu 14
[1:52] <jwash> nm, my keyboard sucks
[1:53] <Gators> the middle is coming on, I'll have to deal with this later
[1:53] <Gators> hey, thanks guys, especially after what I dick I was.
[1:53] <Gators> catch you all later
[1:53] <Berg> goodness tv over pi?
[1:53] <Gators> tv is relaxing, pi is frustrating
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[1:53] <Berg> how unnatural
[1:53] <theseb> Berg: yea..linux soothes the soul
[1:53] <Chryodem> pi is amazing, once you get it setup
[1:54] <Berg> i watch movies on my 7" py monitor its better then tv
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[1:54] <jwash> does it really do good for 1080p playback?
[1:55] <Berg> I watch the movies i dont analise them
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[1:55] <Chryodem> I haven't had any issues on my ASUS monitor, but I haven't tried full TV
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[1:55] <Berg> i use oxmplayer
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[1:57] <Chryodem> I mostly use mine to host a MUD
[1:57] <Chryodem> works surprisingly well.
[1:57] <Chryodem> I am working on building an in dash system with my second one though. third one already ordered, no plans for it though. Any suggestions?
[1:58] <Berg> what mud i like muds?
[1:58] <algee> Anyone know where I can find a good kernel.img? mine is failing to load and I want to recover some data off the SD before I think of reformatting
[1:58] <Chryodem> I am customizing a GW2k6
[1:58] <Berg> no idea what that is
[1:58] <Berg> what code base?
[1:59] <Chryodem> God Wars 2k6
[1:59] <Chryodem> Diku/Merc/God Wars->God Wars 2k6
[1:59] <Berg> ha ok
[1:59] <Chryodem> �algee�: do you have a MicroSD card reader for your computer?
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[1:59] <algee> yea
[2:00] <Chryodem> and windows/linux won't recognize it?
[2:00] <algee> It opens the boot partion
[2:00] <algee> the filesystem isn't there
[2:00] <Chryodem> ahhhh.... using windows or linux?
[2:00] <algee> windows
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[2:00] <Chryodem> okay, right click my computer go to manage
[2:01] <Chryodem> go down to disk management
[2:01] <Chryodem> look for the SDCard, windows may see the partition but not assigning it a letter
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[2:02] <algee> I see the partion but everything is greyed out
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[2:02] <algee> ...except delete volume
[2:02] <Chryodem> don't do that
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[2:03] <algee> Can I copy a good kernel.img and get it booted?
[2:03] <algee> bad question.. can I copy any rasbian kernel.img and have it boot
[2:03] <Chryodem> possible, but tricky, you would need to have the same version
[2:04] <algee> hrm, I can try dropping the jessie image onto another SD and copying that one over
[2:04] <chithead> you need to put the matching kernel modules into /lib/modules/`uname -r`
[2:05] <algee> well, i'm getting the rainbow screen when I try and boot it
[2:05] <algee> according to this: http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Coloured_splash_screen, its because of the kernel.img
[2:06] <Berg> use a linux machine and you shopuld see the file system? maybe plug a card reader into your usb on pi?
[2:06] <Berg> create a new image on a seperate sdcard
[2:07] <Chryodem> that was going to be my suggestion, just get an ubuntu DVD and boot to it
[2:07] <Berg> that will work too a live cd of ubuntu
[2:07] <theseb> dumb question but i don't get how pi can be sooo good and yet sooo cheap......why don't more and more people use cheap sub-$50 computers for all their needs then?
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[2:08] <Chryodem> because they don't really do games very well
[2:08] <Berg> cause its a little slow todays world wants instant gratification
[2:08] <Chryodem> and people are scared of linux
[2:08] <Roonix> most people already have a pc
[2:09] <Berg> lots of answers all right
[2:09] <Roonix> at least the people that tend to buy/ even know about pis
[2:09] <theseb> Chryodem: well for just surfing the web pi allows everyone to do that for about $30....not too shabby
[2:09] <Berg> I have my granson use his pi as a desktop PC he loves it
[2:10] <Chryodem> correct, but most people that would ever need a new PC they don't want to just surf the web. In a business environment the PI is the perfect solution
[2:10] <theseb> awesome
[2:10] <Chryodem> as long as you don't need windows specific programs
[2:10] <Berg> and he bought his own pi
[2:10] <Berg> saved up pocket money
[2:10] <Chryodem> My son is going to have a Pi as soon as he gets old enough. Hes only 2.
[2:11] <Berg> make him save up by working for a brick layer on weekends
[2:11] <Berg> :)
[2:11] <Chryodem> lol!!! Nope, his payment will be learning Python. Test every week.
[2:11] <Chryodem> or whatever easy programming language is out at the time.
[2:12] <Berg> yeah that works my granson has a python book and he practrices code from it
[2:12] <Chryodem> python is amazing, I wish my 8 year old didn't have the attention span of a gnat
[2:12] <Berg> my granson is 9 he has learn patience frompython
[2:13] <Berg> and he has learn not to spit the dummy when its broken
[2:13] <theseb> Chryodem: well for Windows apps you can use Amazon AWS or VNC into a Windows box
[2:13] <Berg> hard for kids that age
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[2:14] <Berg> I dont know how school teachers have the mental stamina to teach kids
[2:14] <Chryodem> (theseb): That's an option, but if your business only really needs database/word processing type stuff, nothing graphical you could get everything in a 300 person office setting up and running for under $5000, which is better than a couple hundred thousand
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[2:15] <Chryodem> I am actually about to sit down and start working on some ubuntu apps for ubuntu touch soon, i will be relearning a lot of stuff, I might be hard to teach at my age
[2:16] <theseb> Chryodem: i don't know what your database/word processing solution would be for $5000 but if you gave all 300 folks a pi they could use Google Docs in their browser!
[2:17] <Berg> you never stop learning it might take longer at historicaly aged humans but you can learn
[2:17] <Berg> :)
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[2:17] <Chryodem> haha MySQL is free! and so is open office. really I you would need to buy is the pi's monitors and keyboards
[2:18] <Chryodem> all you* not I
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[2:18] <Chryodem> Yeah, I have to recreate a VM though, I had one that I stood up for installing touch on a nexus 4, not near enough hard drive space. I would like to get a touchscreen and try it on a pi as well
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[2:19] <BurtyB> lol 300 person office for $5000 seems a bit pi in the sky ;)
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[2:19] <Chryodem> lol, apparently I don't math well.
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[2:20] <Chryodem> I ammend my 5k to 10k
[2:20] <Berg> panama account?
[2:20] <theseb> Chryodem: actually...let's give everyone a $100 monitor....BAM $30000
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[2:20] <theseb> Chryodem: now a $50 pi + keyboard....BAM $15000
[2:20] <theseb> Chryodem: you're up to $45000 and you still need mice!
[2:21] <BurtyB> maybe there's a free screens/kb/psu land?
[2:21] <Chryodem> pi's $50?
[2:21] <Chryodem> they don't get fancy ones.
[2:21] <theseb> Chryodem: pi
[2:21] <theseb> +
[2:21] <theseb> key
[2:21] <theseb> board
[2:21] <Chryodem> ahh, sorry was reading fast.
[2:21] <Chryodem> damn, i really don't math well.
[2:21] <Chryodem> haha
[2:22] <Chryodem> now I am on a mission to find all the components required to see how cheap I can outfit a 300 person office.
[2:22] <Berg> sack them all
[2:23] <BurtyB> you could always make it a byod office :)
[2:23] <Chryodem> thats true!
[2:23] <Berg> rent a chair?
[2:23] <Berg> make3 money from them
[2:23] <Chryodem> bring your own chair, don't want any complaints about chairs that are uncomfortable
[2:23] <oq> Chryodem: giving an employee a pi to work on sounds really cruel imho
[2:24] <Chryodem> oq:whys that?
[2:24] <oq> laggy gui for one
[2:24] <Berg> he's a boss of a huge company cruel is his nature
[2:24] <oq> it would drive me crazy if that was my desktop
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[2:25] <Berg> you could use your lag time to work another job
[2:25] <Berg> have 2 jobs
[2:25] <Chryodem> lol!
[2:25] <theseb> oq: pi's have laggy gui?
[2:25] <Berg> not realy
[2:25] <theseb> oq: even with a thin desktop with only Chrome running?
[2:26] <Chryodem> theseb:depends on the OS installed, but the nicer ones, yeah
[2:26] <Chryodem> i think i just crashed my pi.....
[2:26] <Berg> you could always use vnc to log into a central PC thats high powere3d
[2:26] <Chryodem> nope, wireless keyboard just hates me
[2:27] <theseb> Chryodem: well those employees shouldn't be doing anything but using the browser...in fact....do away with the desktop completely and just maybe boot Chrome like a Chromebook....i like it
[2:27] <oq> Berg: that's what a thin client does
[2:27] <Chryodem> yeah! now were talking!
[2:27] <Berg> im not thin
[2:27] <Chryodem> lol!
[2:27] <Berg> im 100kg
[2:27] <Chryodem> I found monitors for $40
[2:28] <Chryodem> 17" dells....
[2:28] <theseb> Chryodem: instead of chromebooks we'll call it "PiBooks"
[2:28] <Chryodem> (theseb): why are these not a thing!
[2:28] <oq> Chryodem: do they have vesa mounts on the back?
[2:28] <Chryodem> �oq�: nope standard little dell stands
[2:28] <Chryodem> (oq): lol they only do 1280x1024
[2:29] <theseb> so is HDMI thee #1 main standard for monitors?
[2:29] <Berg> thats plenty for a spread sheet
[2:29] <Chryodem> we would be the worlds worst bosses of a data entry company.
[2:29] <theseb> i remember VGA but i guess HDMI is better so all modern TVs and monitors now prefer that?
[2:29] <oq> theseb: dvi I would've thought
[2:29] <Berg> no mains power in the office only 5v outlets???
[2:29] <theseb> why not USB for a monitor?
[2:29] <theseb> oq: haven't heard of that
[2:30] <Chryodem> dvi is the business standard
[2:30] <Berg> do they make 5v coffee machines?
[2:30] <Chryodem> HDMI the normal person standard
[2:30] <oq> theseb: dvi is what hdmi uses
[2:30] <Chryodem> DP the geek standard
[2:30] <Chryodem> i bet they do Berg
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[2:30] <plugwash> HDMI is mostly a TV standard, sometimes shows up on monitors but in my experiance is the exception not the rule
[2:31] <theseb> plugwash: ah
[2:31] <Berg> so the pi office of the future has been designed well done
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[2:31] <Chryodem> I prefer DisplayPort to be honest
[2:31] <oq> hdmi is like dvi + audio + maybe ethernet
[2:31] <Chryodem> which is why businesses like dvi, because they don't have to deal with audio when all you do is spreadsheets
[2:31] * Berg looks for the coffee machine
[2:31] <plugwash> in general I find bottom of the barrel monitors are VGA only, slightly more upmarket you generally get VGA+DVI and high end you generally get VGA+DVI+DISPLAYPORT
[2:32] <Chryodem> So am I Berg
[2:32] <oq> I have a vga monitor and it sucks, every time I play a game on it I get tonnes of interference
[2:32] <oq> damn analog
[2:32] <algee> woo, i think i fixed it
[2:33] * plugwash notes that there is no reason VGA has to be that bad.
[2:33] <Chryodem> http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/5v-1a-power-adapter-for-coffee-machine.html
[2:33] <theseb> oq: do you have any extension chords on any of your computer cables?
[2:33] <plugwash> if VGA is suffering from tonnes of inteferences you have either a crappy videocard, a crappy monitor or a crappy cable
[2:33] <oq> theseb: nope, and it's a fancy shielded vga cable too
[2:33] <Chryodem> well, its not the cable then
[2:34] <oq> not exact a crappy monitor, it's an LG
[2:34] <Chryodem> if its not asus....
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[2:37] <theseb> if it ain't Asus it ain't a monitor!
[2:37] <Chryodem> I have two generations of the same 27"monitor on my desk.
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[2:41] <Chryodem> time for some rainbow six siege!
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[2:42] <theshagg> Hey all, I got my pi3 to boot raspian lite, but when I try and type in a login username my keyboard spits out non-english characters
[2:42] <theshagg> two USB keyboards do this
[2:42] <Chryodem> hmmm...
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[2:43] <Chryodem> tried restarting?
[2:44] <theshagg> Chryodem: yep
[2:44] <theshagg> i just reimaged my sd card too, same problem
[2:44] <Chryodem> thats odd, what keyboards?
[2:44] <theshagg> the "r" key makes a paragraph symbol
[2:44] <theshagg> one is some hp keyboard
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[2:44] <theshagg> the other is a dell keyboard
[2:44] <theshagg> both work fine on other computers
[2:44] <Chryodem> when you did the setup for raspian it worked fine?
[2:45] <theseb> Chryodem, theshagg: oh hey...i had weird stuff too.....i was wondering if pi defaults to a UK keyboard or some such?
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[2:45] <Chryodem> some of the linux installs default to weird keyboard layouts
[2:45] <theseb> Chryodem, theshagg: could that explain that?
[2:45] <theshagg> Chryodem: raspian doesn't have a setup
[2:45] <theshagg> it's just an image
[2:45] <theseb> Chryodem: how configure keyboard on command line?
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[2:45] <theseb> Chryodem: theshagg may want 2 no 2
[2:45] <theshagg> well, I can't even log in, so configuring is not possible
[2:45] <oq> the uk keyboard layout isn't that foreign, the biggest issue you'd probably get is a " and @ being switched
[2:45] <plugwash> i'm pretty sure that the raspberry pi foundation raspbian images are supposed to default to a UK layout
[2:46] <theshagg> I get no english characters when I type any letters
[2:46] <Chryodem> type into a command line to configure a keyboard...........
[2:46] <plugwash> uk vs us moves some symbols arround but all the letters should be in the same place, so whatever is going on for you it doesn't sound like a UK vs US issue
[2:46] <theshagg> I am using the image on the right: https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/raspbian/
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[2:47] <theseb> we should be be SSH-ing into pi in production so i'm guessing in that mode keyboard settings of pi server don't matter?
[2:47] <Chryodem> correct
[2:47] <theseb> yea!
[2:47] <theseb> thanks!
[2:48] <HerculeP> I only had to switch z and y on my german kbd to be able to login the first time, then I used raspi-config to set locales etc
[2:49] <HerculeP> swap*
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[2:50] <theshagg> Has nobody tried to use a raspberry pi 3 with raspian lite?
[2:50] <Chryodem> i have not, i am looking into it though
[2:50] <HerculeP> that's what I did
[2:50] <HerculeP> lite+pi3
[2:50] <Chryodem> using jessie lite right?
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[2:51] <HerculeP> yup, raspbian-lite v. march 18th
[2:52] <Chryodem> okay, give me a minute and I will test it
[2:52] <exonormal> so what is the result of lite+pi3?
[2:52] <HerculeP> worked for me
[2:52] <theshagg> HerculeP: so you logged in directly with the keyboard and monitor?
[2:52] <exonormal> yes, it works
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[2:53] <HerculeP> exactly
[2:53] <exonormal> anything works in a pi3
[2:54] <theshagg> alright I'm unplugging things
[2:54] <Chryodem> lol
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[2:56] <theshagg> ugh, I don't even know how to proceed
[2:57] <theshagg> woah, hitting escape or the function keys put me in some mode where I am changing loglevel
[2:57] <theshagg> wtf, so hitting f1 and then b reboots
[2:58] <theshagg> but when I type b, i get a different character
[2:58] <Chryodem> lol
[2:58] <HerculeP> I'd try and connect using ssh to be able to setup your kbd/locale/timezone etc using sudo raspi-config
[2:58] <theshagg> well... i don't know how to even know if eth# is up
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[3:00] <HerculeP> ethernet should work
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[3:00] <HerculeP> wired connection to a router
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[3:03] <HerculeP> direct from a fresh card by default
[3:04] <CoJaBo> so i bought a pi3
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[3:04] <CoJaBo> Also another wifi card
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[3:12] <wbill> anyone have a clue as to what i should do to delete user pi and if i do will everything fail?
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[3:13] <theseb> wbill: deluser pi
[3:13] <theseb> wbill: but why do you want to?
[3:13] <theseb> wbill: first create another nonroot user
[3:15] <CoJaBo> I deleted root once.
[3:15] <CoJaBo> I would not recommend this
[3:16] <wbill> this is pi not root
[3:16] <wbill> per se
[3:16] <wbill> i did make antoher with eact group perms
[3:17] <wbill> i was doing it so the pi wil be more secure
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[3:17] <CoJaBo> Shouldn't really affect security; but pi is kind of a silly username, so delete away
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[3:17] <Chryodem> lol
[3:18] <CoJaBo> Just make sure to chown any files owned by the pi user, and move them out of pi's home dir. Otherwise, no non-root user will be able to touch them
[3:18] <wbill> del pi wont corrupt the filesystem or anything
[3:19] <wbill> ??
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[3:20] <CoJaBo> wbill: No
[3:21] <wbill> how do i chown all the files is there a one liner i can use for that anyone?
[3:21] <CoJaBo> wbill: If there are still files owned by pi when pi is deleted, they will have a numeric user owner, which can make them inaccessible. But you can always fix that (as root) after the fact.
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[3:21] <wbill> so there is root on the pi
[3:22] <Chryodem> chown on the directory with -r
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[3:22] <CoJaBo> wbill: A concern there is that if that user number gets reused, your pi files have a new, random owner, which is why I like to do it at user delete time. But that's not likely to happen unless you're creating/deleting accounts *often*.
[3:22] <Chryodem> that makes you owner of everything
[3:22] <wbill> or you mean my new user with pi abilimtes
[3:22] <CoJaBo> And yes, there is a root user; there is always a root user.
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[3:22] <CoJaBo> On most systems, the root user is disabled tho, as sudo is much better
[3:22] <wbill> ok so whats the passwd by default for root then
[3:23] <theshagg> wee, finally got my desktop to ifup the spare ethernet card and present a dhcp server to the pi, ssh is now working
[3:23] <wbill> im doing this from an image
[3:23] <Chryodem> awesome shagg!
[3:23] <CoJaBo> Disabled, meaning there is no password; the account can be su/sudo'd to, but not logged into directly.
[3:23] <theshagg> now.... keyboard setup
[3:23] <stiv> would it not be easier just to change the password for the pi user?
[3:23] <CoJaBo> (If you *can* login to root, I strongly recommend disabling it)
[3:23] <stiv> (if security is the concern)
[3:24] <CoJaBo> Also, look into key auth; much easier and more secure than passwords (but does require a bit of setup)
[3:24] <wbill> i did change the passwd for pi but it still is logged in how do i end that then so it wont autolog in
[3:24] <ozzzy> whereas I much prefer to use root and not sudo
[3:24] <CoJaBo> ozzzy: If you need to be root, you can always sudo -i
[3:24] <Chryodem> wbill are you trying to disable autologin? you don't need to delete the user for that
[3:24] <ozzzy> or just not have sudoers
[3:24] <Chryodem> just go into settings where you can change your password and turn off autologin
[3:25] <Roonix> wbill, you can change that with sudo raspi-config
[3:25] <wbill> no i dont want pi logged in
[3:26] <HerculeP> wbill: IIRC there is an option in raspi-config to disable pi login
[3:26] <theshagg> ok everyone, I changed keyboard to "us" and now every key character that shows up on the main terminal is prefaced with "^["
[3:27] <theshagg> this is the direct terminal, not ssh
[3:27] <plugwash> silly question but have you tried rebooting?
[3:27] <ozzzy> "have you tried turning it off and turning it on"
[3:28] <theshagg> me? several times
[3:28] * plugwash has seen strange affects many times because a computer thinks a modifier key is down for some reason
[3:28] <plugwash> and you have tried different keyboards rebooting between each one?
[3:29] <HerculeP> he tried a dell and a hp kbd he said
[3:29] <HerculeP> weird thing indeed
[3:29] <wbill> ah ok raspi-config then
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[3:30] * plugwash added the rebooting between each one to the question in case one keyboard was resulting in an apparent stuck modifier key
[3:30] <plugwash> but honestly i'm grasping at straws here
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[3:34] <nickgaw> Hi, I have a good raspbian image to flash on my raspberrypi model 3 what version should I point sources.list at if I want to follow the development version as sid is not working?
[3:35] <theshagg> hrm, i can get into raspi-config
[3:36] <home> no idea
[3:36] <nickgaw> Did you run with sudo?
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[3:39] <theshagg> I'm trying out standard 104 keyboard, english...
[3:40] <theshagg> same thing
[3:41] <theshagg> interesting, one of the keyboards does the modifier, the other doesn't
[3:41] <theshagg> progress
[3:41] <nickgaw> How do you change the keyboard layout from the UK to the US layout?
[3:41] <Chryodem> change your region in settings
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[3:41] <nickgaw> I am using raspbian lite. is that in raspi-config?
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[3:42] <Chryodem> I don't use raspbian, but yes it should be
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[3:43] <HerculeP> poit 5, internat...
[3:43] <HerculeP> point*
[3:43] <Chryodem> lol
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[3:45] <theshagg> wow OK I think 1 of the keyboards has a stuck ALT key that completely borked something
[3:46] <theshagg> I plugged it into my windows laptop that I am typing on right now and it hijacked the ALT key, even when I unplugged the keyboard
[3:46] <theshagg> took considerable key mashing for it to stop
[3:46] <theshagg> even after keyboard was unplugged
[3:46] <Chryodem> dont ever touch that key again
[3:46] <ozzzy> cut the blue wire
[3:46] <Chryodem> else risk it getting stuck, again
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[3:47] <theshagg> haha, it's my colleague's keyboard... ill put it back on his desk and pretend nothing happened
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[3:47] <theshagg> i think i was experiencing a confluence of the british keyboard AND an alt-key issue that persisted after unplugging the keyboard in the pi
[3:47] <Chryodem> thats the best.
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[3:54] <theshagg> thank you all for help
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[3:55] <Chryodem> yeap
[3:55] <Chryodem> you are welcome
[3:55] <Chryodem> i read an article earlier that americans are Aholes because we say yes/yep instead of you are welcome
[3:59] <ozzzy> huh?
[4:02] <[Saint]> Of all the reasons you could pick, that one is relatively benign.
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[4:03] <ozzzy> Americans (as a nationality) aren't assholes.... but individual Americans, like any other group or nationality, could be assholes
[4:03] <Chryodem> it was a video from a canadian
[4:03] <ozzzy> probably an asshole
[4:04] <Chryodem> he seemed like it
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[4:09] <Chryodem> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpoYWROw5BY
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[4:14] <nickgaw> What was that youtube movie about?
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[4:28] <Chryodem> about how canadians think americans are AHoles, well that specific one anyway
[4:28] <Chryodem> that specific canadian
[4:29] <[Saint]> Humans are assholes. All of them.
[4:29] <Zardoz> ^ truth
[4:29] <Zardoz> everyone can be an ahole.
[4:29] <hypermist> heyyy Crom they arrived :D!
[4:30] <hypermist> such alot of goodies :o
[4:30] <Chryodem> haha!
[4:31] <Chryodem> I think there should be a Pi Box, like how they have loot crate
[4:31] <Crom> WOOO HOO
[4:32] <Crom> Little round white things are neopixels 5v
[4:34] <Crom> do is chained to di 5v and gnd can be just soldered on to a bare patch of wire and the first pixel goes from pin D6 to Di from the arduino using the adafruit neopixel library
[4:36] <Crom> warm up the rpi case with a hair dryer before putting it together...
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[4:37] <Crom> the screws are to hold the fan in. the pi just is held in place by the usb ports and hdmi, usb, and audio port
[4:38] <Crom> I think I threw in a nano also
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[4:42] <Crom> hdmi to vga adapter with audio, otg adapter.. I don't think I threw in a hub
[4:43] <Crom> hypermist, take a picture and post it, so I can see what I forgot
[4:44] <Crom> Think I forgot a otg hub, wifi adapter, card reader, micro sd card, blue tooth adapter
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[4:50] <hypermist> those are the exact things you forgot
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[4:51] <[Saint]> Forgot to send me /anything/.
[4:52] <Crom> [Saint], how old are you, are you gainfully employed, are you in New Zealand?
[4:53] <Crom> or other freaking hiugh shipping cost country
[4:53] <[Saint]> Enough. Sometimes. And yes.
[4:53] <Crom> hypermist, what do you really need of that list? besides the otg hub
[4:53] <lospheris> Anyone have any idea why on my pi 3 the built in wifi wouldn't work when starting cold from applying power but after a restart it works fine. The SDIO port starts fine but apparently the wifi chip just never starts talking on it.
[4:54] <Crom> lospheris, no idea...
[4:54] <lospheris> haha me either. I am beginning to think there is somethign wrong with the board.
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[4:55] <hypermist> maybe wifi Crom
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[4:58] <Crom> kcaj, BT and wifi and otghub
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[4:59] <Crom> ok and a bt module for the arduino
[5:00] <Crom> how you doing on micro sd cards?
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[5:02] <Crom> bbiab :/--~~~
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[5:06] <sir_galahad_ad> o/
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[5:12] <hypermist> i might have enough Crom
[5:12] <hypermist> Obviously if i dont i'll just buy from CHina ;D
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[5:13] * hypermist is going to enjoy assembling pi cases
[5:13] <hypermist> xD
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[5:19] <Crom> heh
[5:20] <hypermist> got a link to an assembly guide or something Crom ?
[5:21] <hypermist> oh no a piece snapped off idk if it was me
[5:21] <hypermist> Or what
[5:21] <hypermist> xD
[5:22] <Crom> did you warm it up with a hair dryer?
[5:22] <hypermist> I dont own one of htose
[5:22] <hypermist> :D
[5:23] <Crom> I've put those case together on 4 different rpi 2 -3's and all of them is missing a piece
[5:23] <hypermist> can i have a link to the product
[5:23] <hypermist> xD
[5:24] <Crom> I could find the heat gun....
[5:24] <hypermist> and a little assemble guide or soemthing
[5:24] <Crom> couldn't
[5:25] <Crom> bottom piece the square hole goes over that chip on the bottom. label of the fan points towards the pi.
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[5:25] <Crom> the sd card end goes either way
[5:25] <Crom> but right side up
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[5:26] <Crom> the top has pins tabs which goes into the round holes in the side pieces
[5:26] <hypermist> i dont have the one with the fan open haha
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[5:26] <Crom> the rpi3 case had a fan in it
[5:27] <hypermist> wahts the other case without a fan cut out
[5:27] <hypermist> thats as big as the pi3
[5:27] <hypermist> xD
[5:27] <Crom> probably for a 2
[5:27] <hypermist> heh
[5:27] <Crom> extra paRTS
[5:28] <hypermist> ahh
[5:28] <hypermist> Yess
[5:28] <hypermist> Extra parts
[5:28] <hypermist> But it is for the pi3
[5:28] <Crom> only difference is the bottom and top
[5:28] <Crom> end panels are the same
[5:28] <Crom> and side panels
[5:29] <Crom> 2 heat sinks on top and one one the bottom
[5:29] <hypermist> damn protective plastic on the arcylic xD
[5:29] <Crom> oh yeah that 3
[5:29] <hypermist> Its like
[5:29] <hypermist> *sratching corner to get off*
[5:29] <Crom> I use a pen cap to get that off
[5:30] <Crom> sheeshz it's a pi... it's gonna get scratched
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[5:31] <Crom> the rpi3 I just put in a case today has 3 rubber bands holding the case on... I'm going to mix up some epoxy and glue it together
[5:31] <hypermist> Lol
[5:32] <Crom> wifi ::::::::::::::::::::
[5:32] <Crom> wifi :``::::::::::::::::: 5v 5v gnd
[5:32] <Berg> you should seal your pi in a plastic can full of oil you dont need heast sinks
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[5:32] <Crom> the fan plugs into the `` pins
[5:33] <Crom> the outside row pins 2 and 3. pin 2 is red and pin 3 is black
[5:33] <Crom> Berg, non conductive loi
[5:33] <Crom> oil
[5:34] <Berg> do we have conductive oil?
[5:34] <Berg> i think not
[5:34] <Crom> any oil which can absord water can be conductive
[5:35] <Crom> I tend to use silicon oil for cooling
[5:35] <Berg> well oil i know floats on water
[5:35] <Berg> other oil is not true oil
[5:39] <hypermist> which way does the fan go logo thingie up or facing down and do i need to put on heatsinks onto the pi3 Crom ?
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[5:40] <[Saint]> fan should have the orientation of spin and flow printed on it.
[5:40] <[Saint]> it should be drawing air up off the heat sync.
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[5:41] <[Saint]> Berg: do emulsions count?
[5:41] <hypermist> doenst have no flow on it but it has the specs of the fan
[5:41] <hypermist> then on it
[5:41] <[Saint]> People always say oil and water don't mix, and forget about a crucial piece of evidence.
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[5:42] <[Saint]> mayonnaise.
[5:42] <[Saint]> checkmate.
[5:42] <[Saint]> hypermist: around the outside edge of the fan surround?
[5:42] <[Saint]> spin and flow direction is printed there on every fan I have ever seen.
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[5:43] <[Saint]> 'cos it's important installation criteria. :)
[5:43] <[Saint]> it'd be silly if this didn't.
[5:43] <hypermist> i dont see any flow
[5:44] <[Saint]> wow - that's weird.
[5:44] <[Saint]> they generally have two arrows.
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[5:44] <[Saint]> a horizontal one for spin direction and a vertical one for flow direction.
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[5:46] <hypermist> so do i want flow away fro mthe heatsink ?
[5:46] <hypermist> or down onto it
[5:47] <[Saint]> away.
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[5:47] <Crom> air blows towards the label, and you definitely want heat sink
[5:47] <Crom> towards
[5:47] * [Saint] maintains away.
[5:47] <Crom> pressurized air cools better than negative pressure
[5:48] <Crom> in is quiter too\
[5:48] <[Saint]> drawing ambient air from across the board is less likely to gunk everything up with dust and general futz.
[5:49] <[Saint]> you're only trying to displace a small amount of air from around the sync itself.
[5:50] <Crom> I like it as quite as I can get it and that is blowing in
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[5:51] <[Saint]> pwm fan control?
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[6:00] <theshagg> I'm back again, wee
[6:00] <theshagg> anyone know where I can get linux-tools-4.1?
[6:00] <Crom> wow just popped a capacitor in this machine somewhere...
[6:00] <[Saint]> did you died?
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[6:03] <Crom> it's still running... I need to pop the cover off and look
[6:04] <theshagg> is this the same kernel used in raspbian?: https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux
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[6:25] <Crom> mine's running 4.1.19 V7+ S<P armv7l
[6:26] <Crom> up 2 days 22:40 max temp so far 47.77C
[6:26] <Crom> s/</M/
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[6:28] <Crom> Linux raspberrypi 4.1.19-v7+ #858 SMP Tue Mar 15 15:56:00 GMT 2016 armv7l GNU/Linux
[6:29] <Crom> 21:29:19 up 2 days, 22:43, 3 users, load average: 0.09, 0.11, 0.13
[6:29] <Crom> forgot I had a ssh session going
[6:30] <theshagg> anyone here know anything about perf?
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[6:37] <Crom> nope, nada, nothing
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[7:02] <Japa> Why is my pi taking so long in the post :(
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[7:18] <hypermist> alright
[7:18] <hypermist> so 3 heatsinks go one pi3 correct Crom ?
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[7:30] <aName> I have a lamp constructed very similarly to this one and the many others shown in related items. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Full-Spectrum-Dimmable-165w-LED-Aquarium-Grow-Lights-55x3w-Fish-Tank-Reef-Coral-/151570314585 . I want to be able to turn it on and off as well as dimming it. I can turn it hard on and off with relays, no biggy. How would I get to the
[7:30] <aName> dimming?
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[7:31] <dreamon_> using rasberry image debian wheezy 7.10. how can I find out is it 32 or 64 bit version?
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[7:32] <hypermist> what pins do i need to stick this fan on ?
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[8:10] <calamari> hi. I'm attempting to move from a pi 2 to a pi 3. my usb hard drive is not working, though. it's on a POWERED hub, but I'm getting error -71. is there anything I can do?
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[8:10] <calamari> (it works fine on the pi 2)
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[8:12] <Rukus> you probably should check the filesystem for errors
[8:12] <Rukus> maybe it was unmounted improperly
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[8:13] <calamari> pretty sure that wouldn't cause it not to show up under /dev, but I'll try it
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[8:13] <Rukus> youre probably right tho
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[8:14] <Xark> calamari: For what it is worth, I didn't encounter any issues using USB HDD that I used on RPi2 on RPi3. RPi3 does take more power than RPi2, but other than that same USB setup AFAIK.
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[8:14] <calamari> Xark: shouldn't the powered hub eliminate power worries?
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[8:14] <Xark> calamari: Is it powering RPi and HDD?
[8:14] <Lartza> Yes, unless you use the hub to power up the Pi too
[8:15] <calamari> the powered hub power is for the hub
[8:15] <calamari> the pi is powered via micro usb
[8:15] <Xark> calamari: Okay, then it should be okay power-wise.
[8:15] <swift110-phone> get at leasr 2.5 amp power supply for pi 3
[8:15] <Xark> calamari: Does "dmesg" show any relevant errors?
[8:16] <Berg> [Saint]: no
[8:16] <calamari> I'm second guessing the error I saw in dmesg now.. because when I unplug and replug the hub, it doesn't appear again
[8:17] <calamari> so it's probably exactly as you guys say.. probably some power issue
[8:17] <calamari> this is what I saw in dmesg tho: [ 10.109340] usb 1-1.5.3: device descriptor read/64, error -71
[8:18] <Rukus> Ive read about errors being related to config_usb_suspend ... however, I dont know if thats your issue for sure. It could put you on the right path to solving tho tho
[8:18] <Berg> powered USB hub rocks socks
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[8:21] <styler2go> hey everyone. trying to use my raspberry pi 3 with raspbian jessie lite, but i can't get the password. things like pi/raspberry are not working. any idea whats the default login?
[8:21] <Rukus> calamari try sending more power to the usb ports perhaps?
[8:22] <hypermist> gah
[8:22] <hypermist> I fianlly after 1hr of screwing with this case
[8:22] <Lartza> styler2go, user should be "pi" and password "raspberry"
[8:22] <hypermist> I got it to go together
[8:22] <hypermist> .-.
[8:22] <Rukus> calamari /boot/config.txt, add line usb_max_current=1
[8:22] <styler2go> Lartza, that's not workiiii.. oh
[8:22] <styler2go> it has the wrong keyboard layout, z and y where mixed....
[8:23] <Berg> get a pi compatable board
[8:24] <styler2go> i just need to change the keyboard layout lol
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[8:24] <Rukus> calamari i dont know if you did it or not, but if your're connecting a usb 3.0 device, you may need to send 900ma instead of 500ma
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[8:24] <calamari> Rukus: ah!
[8:24] <Berg> my raspberry pi 2 has been runn ing now non stop for 4 months no errors
[8:24] <calamari> it's a 3.0 hub and 3.0 hd
[8:24] <Lartza> Rukus, He is using a powered hub though?
[8:24] <Berg> it runs my solar charge system
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[8:24] <Rukus> Lartza: i dunno it is worth trying anyway
[8:25] <calamari> Rukus: thanks for your help
[8:25] <Rukus> calamari: np
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[8:26] <Rukus> Lartza: there is no way for me to know for sure, but maybe a powered hub can supply right amount of amperage, but still needs correct amps coming in from whatever its connected to
[8:26] <Rukus> well a usb 3.0 specifically
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[8:29] <Rukus> calamari let me know if this solved it, i am curious
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[8:30] <calamari> Rukus: I moved it to a different port and it seems to be working, but then when I tried to use it to play a video, something went wrong
[8:30] <calamari> could be omxplayer though, recompiling it
[8:30] <calamari> maybe the usb port on the pi was bad
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[8:31] <Rukus> maybe not all ports are equal
[8:31] <calamari> could be
[8:31] <Japa> A pi 3 should be able to be powered from my TV's USB port, right?
[8:31] <Rukus> i know on my laptop they are not
[8:31] <Rukus> japa no
[8:31] <Rukus> i wouldnt power anything that isnt regulated from your tvs usb ports
[8:31] <hypermist> all i can say is arcrylic cases that are snap fitted together
[8:31] <Japa> Aw, okay.
[8:31] <hypermist> are ******************** to put together
[8:31] <Japa> Wall wart it is.
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[8:32] <Rukus> especially something that wants to draw upwards of 2000ma from a port that is designed for 500ma
[8:32] <Lartza> Japa, Pi3 requires so much power even a USB3 port isn't really enough to power it anymore
[8:32] <calamari> that reminds me.. I wanted to look up the max a icro usb could handle
[8:32] <coremodule> Rukus, Lartza, Does it really eat that much power?
[8:33] <Rukus> i dont know for sure, but there has to be a reason we are told to use 2amp wall warts
[8:33] <Lartza> 2.5A actually
[8:33] <Rukus> oh, i have 2 amp on my pi
[8:34] <Rukus> pi 3
[8:34] <Lartza> Yeah that should work thought, if it can actually output that
[8:34] <Rukus> i shoulda kept my 2.5, i sold it with my pi for some stupid reason
[8:34] <Lartza> It's just 2.5A is the "official" recommendation :P
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[8:34] <Lartza> coremodule, USB3 is only 900mA and USB2 is 500mA so :P
[8:34] <mlelstv> the pi itself doesn't need 2.5A or 2A. That's mostly for whatever you connect to it that also needs power.
[8:35] <Rukus> meh all mine does is share files from a powered usb drive and act as a media centre
[8:35] <Lartza> Powered hubs might be specced well enough to accept bigger current draws but any TV or PC port won't be
[8:35] <calamari> hehe, according to one apple-apologist site, "The micro USB pins are very small, and the power-carrying connectors, pins 1 and 5, are rated to carry 1.8 amps at 5 volts DC."
[8:35] <coremodule> Lartza, Gotcha. I didn't know the Pi3 would eat close to 12 watts. You'd think it'd need a heatsink to dissipate that.
[8:35] <Rukus> i wasnt sure
[8:36] <Lartza> coremodule, Part of that goes to the USB though, not sure if it has to be dissipated on the board in that case
[8:36] <Japa> Oh, nice. The wall wart that's coming with my pi has 3.1 amps, and 2 usb ports.
[8:36] <Japa> Which means I can use it to replace the cell charger too.
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[8:37] <Rukus> btw, never connect anything that doesnt communicate with your usb ports, to your pc or tv. otherwise the device will try to draw as much current as possible which may fry your usb port
[8:37] <mlelstv> http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/43285/raspberry-pi-3-vs-pi-2-power-consumption-and-heat-dissipation
[8:37] <Rukus> i dont expect the pi to know if a port is 500ma or 900ma.
[8:37] <Rukus> it will just draw what is requires
[8:38] <Rukus> its not like the ports are actually limited
[8:38] <mlelstv> well, the ports are limited :)
[8:38] <Rukus> i beg to differ
[8:38] <Lartza> The ports aren't usually set to deliver power without communication
[8:38] <Rukus> they are only limited because the device connected says "I am a usb 2.0 device, i only get 500ma"
[8:38] <Rukus> whereas the pi, doesnt communicate like that afaik
[8:38] <Lartza> Yes and if it doesn't say that, it doesn't get power
[8:39] <Rukus> its meant to be connected to wall power
[8:39] <Lartza> That's how computer USB ports work
[8:39] <Rukus> lartza, not always tru
[8:39] <mlelstv> for rpi1 b+ and rpi2 the total current for all USB ports is limited to 600mA but may be configured to allow 1.2A
[8:39] <Rukus> this reason is why fast charging works on android phones with usb ports
[8:39] <mlelstv> there is a setting in config.txt
[8:40] <Rukus> you can tell an android phone to ignore the communication and you can charge as quickly as the port will allow, which of often ata higher amperage than the port is rated for
[8:40] <Rukus> is*
[8:41] <Rukus> so, i dont imagine the pi does any communication as it expects a wall charger
[8:41] <Lartza> Also, it's not possible to draw more current than it is possible
[8:41] <mlelstv> the micro usb port doesn't even have data lines
[8:41] <Rukus> i mean usb ports on a pc
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[8:41] <Rukus> usb ports on a pc, will actaully put out more current than they are rated for
[8:41] <mlelstv> so it cannot communicate with the power supply
[8:41] <Rukus> thats all i am saying
[8:42] <Rukus> but they dont, because hte device connected tells them not to
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[8:42] <Lartza> So even if Pi did no communication, and tried to draw 420A from the USB port, it couldn't
[8:42] <Rukus> or at least tells the ports what it is
[8:42] <Rukus> i'm not sure you understand but thats ok
[8:42] <Rukus> it doesnt matter
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[8:43] <Lartza> Sure there are scenarios where it can break the USB ports and I understand
[8:43] <mlelstv> the PC USB ports usually have such logic, Hubs often don't.
[8:43] <Lartza> But I don't really see that happening
[8:43] <Rukus> <mlelstv> so it cannot communicate with the power supply
[8:43] <Rukus> thats my exact point
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[8:44] <Lartza> mlelstv, Well hubs usually can deliver more power though, thus why people are able to use hubs for the pi's
[8:44] <Rukus> it will draw as much as the source will allow it to
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[8:44] <mlelstv> lartza, if the Hubs would follow USB specs they would limit current to 100mA. Some really do, and cannot be used to power the rpi.
[8:44] <Rukus> its not the port that limits current, its the device connected that tells it to
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[8:45] <mlelstv> the ports usually measure the current and shut down when the limit is exceeded.
[8:45] <Lartza> If it's a specced port it does limit 100mA
[8:45] <Lartza> Without negotiation
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[8:45] <Rukus> this may only be true to the charging hack for android phones tho... so this whole scenario may not apply here
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[8:46] <Rukus> i just know that is how it works for usb fast charge on an android device with such hacks
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[8:47] <Rukus> i just didnt expect the pi to be able to communicate with the usb ports
[8:47] <Rukus> sorry i am tired with isomnia . i dont mean to be a pain
[8:47] <Rukus> thanks for listening to my spiel
[8:48] <Lartza> You're not imo :P
[8:48] <Rukus> :)
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[8:48] <Rukus> i am gonna go try this thing called sleep again
[8:48] <Rukus> night guys
[8:48] <Lartza> Good night
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[9:00] <green_snow> is it safe to attach 5 volts w/ 1 amperes to the RPi GND?
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[9:00] <H__> huh ?! you want to do what ?
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[9:01] <green_snow> I have a floppy disk drive, I need to ground it with power supply and RPi
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[9:10] <Xark> green_snow: If you mean you have a separate 5V supply for your floppy, and one for the RPi and you want a common ground, that should generally be OK (and needed if they are to talk). You understand all the IO is 3.3v on RPi?
[9:11] <green_snow> Yes
[9:11] <Xark> green_snow: What kind of floppy is this?
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[9:12] <green_snow> Well, what do you mean?
[9:12] <green_snow> It's an old FDD
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[9:13] <Xark> Just curious, like an 8" 5 1/4" 3 1/2" e.g.?
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[9:14] <green_snow> ah, it's 3 1/2" :)
[9:14] <Xark> There were lots of kinds of floppies. However, I am guessing generic PC 3.5" 1.44MB flavor?
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[9:14] <Japa> 5.25" all the way
[9:14] <Japa> the last floppy floppy.
[9:15] <Xark> green_snow: For those I have $12 USB floppy drive. It is funny, it costs more for a box of 10 blank floppies than a USB floppy drive to read them on Amazon. :)
[9:15] <Xark> Japa: :)
[9:16] <green_snow> Seriously? :D
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[9:16] <Xark> green_snow: Yes, last I checked, I am serious. :)
[9:17] <green_snow> OK, thanks for advice Xark :)
[9:17] <green_snow> bye
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[9:18] * Xark checks and sees blanks for ~$13 and drive for ~$11. :)
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[9:21] <Xark> Haha, or $10 for an individually wrapped 1.44MB floppy *the last one* (in stock)-> http://www.amazon.com/MICRO-FLOPPY-DISK-DOUBLE-SIDED/dp/B009DL5CYQ :)
[9:22] <Xark> Wait...if I squint it is 10 disks - so perhaps media is now cheaper than drive (by a dollar)
[9:24] * Xark sticks with multi-GB USB flash and SD cards for now...(but I was tempted by the floppy for a moment). :)
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[9:25] <Xark> Sadly the Raspberry Pi will (likely) never enjoy the "fun" of booting a kernel from floppy. :)
[9:25] <Lonefish> is there still support in the kernel?
[9:26] <Xark> Lonefish: Not sure, I haven't tried "make zImage" for a looong time. :)
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[9:26] <Lonefish> well, now that I think of it, if it's a usb reader, and it can boot (there seem to be people working on it) from usb..
[9:26] <Xark> I don't think any recent kernel even fits...
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[9:27] <Lonefish> Haven't even thought of that
[9:27] <Xark> :)
[9:27] <Lonefish> "An ordinary stable 3* kernel is about 70 mb now"
[9:27] <Lonefish> That's 3.xx
[9:28] <Lonefish> so 4 will undoubtetly be more..
[9:28] <Lonefish> That's a lot of floppy's
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[9:28] <Xark> Yeah, you would need to gzip it with -999. :)
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[9:29] <Xark> Lonefish: When I first tried Linux (in 1992 IIRC), it was like ~20 floppies to download (at 2400 bps) for the entire operating system (with X windows even). :)
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[9:30] <Lonefish> I was 2 at the time.
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[9:32] * Xark decides not to mention loading from cassette tape in the late 70s...oops. :)
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[9:34] <Lonefish> I kinda hate missing out the oldskool stuff (:
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[9:35] <Lonefish> Woops. Accidentally closed..
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[9:39] <Xark> BTW, did you catch this story http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/05/09/allwinners_allloser_custom_kernel_has_a_nasty_root_backdoor/ ? Bad Allwinner!
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[9:41] <Lonefish> Auwtch.
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[9:54] <duriangray> hey guys
[9:54] <duriangray> i have a question: can i attach multiple IPs to a raspberry pi?
[9:54] <duriangray> i want to make my raspberry pi into a proxy server
[9:55] <ShorTie> 1 ip per nic
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[9:55] <duriangray> what is nic?
[9:55] <Xark> Well, you can use ipalias to add more fairly easily, right?
[9:56] <Xark> E.g., http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-creating-or-adding-new-network-alias-to-a-network-card-nic/
[9:56] <Xark> duriangray: NIC = network interface "card"
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[10:06] <[Saint]> Xark: thank you for quoting "card".
[10:06] <[Saint]> NIC is kinda ambiguous now.
[10:06] <Xark> Yeah. :)
[10:07] <[Saint]> Software defined networks can make a lot of situations messy. And that's just one place I can think of where the acronym falls over.
[10:08] <Xark> Maybe it can get "retro-nymed" to Network Interface Channel or something. :)
[10:08] <[Saint]> I believe exactly that has been proposed.
[10:08] <[Saint]> People just know what it means, I guess.
[10:09] <[Saint]> Like when people use URL all the time and really mean URI, and how URI and URL get used weirdly interchangeably.
[10:10] <[Saint]> kinda stopped being an acronym and "URL" became very ambiguous.
[10:11] <[Saint]> - this is fresh in my mind from all the WHATWG shenanigans
[10:11] <Xark> Heh, yeah, big mess. I was just reading https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11673058
[10:12] <[Saint]> bagder/Daniel of cURL/Mozilla fame has been very vocal about this recently.
[10:12] <[Saint]> And I find it hilarious.
[10:13] <[Saint]> The news agencies crosslinking seem to have hugged his poor blog to death.
[10:13] <Xark> Yeah, that is his article. It was funny. :)
[10:13] <Xark> He linked to some "weak" logic.
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[10:14] <[Saint]> WHATWG's logic is entirely weak to begin with.
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[10:14] <[Saint]> "lets use the behavior of a subset of browsers to define a standard"
[10:14] <Xark> Yeah. Seems a horrible way to make a standard.
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[10:14] <[Saint]> It's the exact opposite way it should be done.
[10:14] <duriangray> Xark: so the raspberry pi only has 1 nic?
[10:14] <Xark> But, the web is layers and layers of that already. :)
[10:15] <[Saint]> Software gets written around standards.
[10:15] <[Saint]> Not vice versa.
[10:15] <Xark> duriangray: Well, depends.
[10:15] <duriangray> Xark: on my server, i can attach to eth0, eth1, eth2 etc is each eth a nic?
[10:15] <Xark> duriangray: E.g., Raspberry Pi 3 has WiFi NIC and Ethernet.
[10:15] <Xark> duriangray: You can add a bunch of ethernet or wifi USB to any Raspberry Pi etc.
[10:16] <duriangray> my main objective is to use the raspberry pi as a transparent proxy
[10:16] <Xark> However, one wired ethernet port. However like with that article I linked, you can make it "as if" you had several NICs on the same wire with different IPs (doesn't help speed, of course).
[10:17] <duriangray> like remote login into it. and use an IP attached to it via mobile hotspot
[10:17] <Xark> duriangray: Like http://www.danscourses.com/Linux-Fundamentals/turn-a-raspberry-pi-into-a-web-filter-proxy-with-squidguard.html
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[10:18] <[Saint]> The basic sum of it all is the WHATWG seems to have forgotten that the concept of URL has existed quite fine outside of browsers for years.
[10:18] <[Saint]> And that tools that don't take user input don't need all this crazy parsing logic, because well coded preforms should be bullet proof.
[10:18] <Xark> duriangray: Or http://blog.stevebaker.org/2013/02/raspberry-pi-as-transparent-squid.html
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[10:19] <[Saint]> Well, they can't have /forgotten/ it.
[10:19] <[Saint]> 'Gleefully ignoring', lets say.
[10:19] <Xark> [Saint]: Right. That is the crux. It makes sense to do "crazy" crap to salvage human input, but not in the spec for what a URL (etc.) shoudl be.
[10:19] <Xark> should*
[10:21] <[Saint]> WHo knew browsers deciding to kludge search and destination bars together would make such a far reaching impact.
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[10:21] <[Saint]> Actually, now that I think about it, I think a lot of people saw this happening then.
[10:21] <duriangray> Xark: im not sure that is gonna be the solution... what I am trying to do is attach 2 ips to a raspberry pi. then i will use the raspberry pi as a proxy server from the internet to access the other IP
[10:21] <duriangray> after connecting to the first IP of course
[10:22] <Xark> duriangray: You may need to add another port
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[10:22] <duriangray> is that just a usb to eth adapter?
[10:22] <[Saint]> Now it's all one bar with a complicated dance of trying to guess what you actually wanted it to do born of necessity from itself.
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[10:24] <Xark> duriangray: Generally
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[10:33] <computer2000> Hi - is it safe to control up to 8 servo motors through a PWM lib such as PIGPIO? I'm controlling six as for now and it seems to work very well but I just didn't do any more in depth testing to be sure for "production" use
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[10:35] <Xark> computer2000: "safe"? I am not sure Raspberry Pi is every certified for situations where safety is a concern...
[10:35] <Xark> ever*
[10:35] <ShorTie> assuming your not drawing power from the pi for the motors, i'd say as many as the program allows
[10:35] <computer2000> Xark: I didn't mean safe in a "health & safety" way
[10:36] <computer2000> ShorTie: I am drawing the power from external PSU
[10:36] <computer2000> ShorTie: so the servos have a separate power supply as they suck a lot of current when stalling
[10:37] <ShorTie> stalling == not good
[10:37] <ShorTie> limit switches might be inorder
[10:37] <computer2000> ShorTie: why do then shields exists such as the Adafruit Servo Hat? https://www.adafruit.com/product/2327
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[10:37] <computer2000> ShorTie: I mean stalling as in when I resist their movement by hand
[10:37] <ShorTie> so people can buy them .. :/~
[10:38] <computer2000> ShorTie: I though there was an additional separation of concerns or similar when using such a shield as it might take over some of the processing from the Pi... but I'm a noob
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[10:43] <ShorTie> doesn't look like any processor on that hat, just some i2c stuff
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[10:57] <toomanyerrors> hi
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[10:59] <toomanyerrors> hi
[10:59] <toomanyerrors> i have a pi zero
[10:59] <toomanyerrors> and 87$ to spend
[11:00] <toomanyerrors> so i was wondering if i should get a psp or a pi 3?
[11:00] <toomanyerrors> psp ie playstation portable
[11:00] <hypermist> whats a good os for my pi3
[11:00] <mgottschlag> I'd invest that money into projects involving the pi zero :D
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[11:00] <mfa298> toomanyerrors: I think that's relly a question for you to answer, based on what you want to do.
[11:01] <Lonefish> indeed. depends on your needs tho, if you really want to game, go for the psp (didn't even know they were still around?)
[11:01] <toomanyerrors> i cant answer it
[11:01] <Lonefish> or make a retropie
[11:01] <hypermist> I have 3 pi0's now thanks to crom (:!
[11:01] <mgottschlag> http://i08fs1.atis-stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~s_gottsc/IMG_20150930_112931666_HDR.jpg <- the total cost of that was around 100$... although it also involved 100 hours of work probably
[11:01] <toomanyerrors> im buying preowned
[11:01] <toomanyerrors> im lazy
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[11:02] <mfa298> hypermist: likely to depend on what you want to do, but if you're new to linux raspbian is probably tthe safest option as there's a large community using it
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[11:02] <Lonefish> if you're lazy, why do you use pi's ?
[11:02] <Lonefish> Pi's are to encourage "work" and "trying" stuff
[11:02] <hypermist> i know enough to use linux properly mfa298 so raspbian isnt to much of a hassle. i use debian daily on vps's
[11:02] <hypermist> xD
[11:02] <toomanyerrors> i havent even booted my pi up yet
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[11:02] <toomanyerrors> i dont have the stuff to
[11:03] <Lonefish> the buy it with the 87$ :)
[11:03] <toomanyerrors> but then i wont be able to play psp games
[11:03] <Lonefish> that's what I would do tho
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[11:03] <Lonefish> you could install retropie and play games.
[11:03] <toomanyerrors> and if i bought the psp i would miss out on the pi
[11:04] <mfa298> hypermist: well raspbian is based on debian so is probably close to what you know, Arch and Ubuntu made seem to be gaining in popularity, or you could go out and use somethign totally different like RiscOS
[11:04] <Lonefish> tthat's a choice you have to make toomanyerrors
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[11:04] <toomanyerrors> but you have to help me i cant do it
[11:05] <Lonefish> I'm not making you choose.. Sorry. I'm not going to be held responsible for your choice..
[11:05] <toomanyerrors> not saying
[11:05] <toomanyerrors> that
[11:05] <toomanyerrors> im saying help me decide
[11:05] <hypermist> raspbian it is i suppoooose mfa298 ;D
[11:05] <Lonefish> Also, the fact that you say "87$" and not 90 or 100 makes me think that you worked/saved hard for that money..
[11:06] <Lonefish> So it's really not up to me to decide..
[11:06] <toomanyerrors> well i made a deal with my dad
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[11:07] <Lonefish> if it were me I'd go with the pi, get the zero up and running. I could make it a small gaming thingie with a usb controller of ebay (few
[11:07] <Lonefish> *few $$
[11:07] <toomanyerrors> if i got 85% or above in my final exams, i would get a spending budget of 5500 inr
[11:07] <toomanyerrors> and i got 86.6%
[11:07] <Lonefish> congratz
[11:07] <hypermist> this is the time for chinese sdcard to show its glory
[11:08] <Lonefish> do you have to spend it or can you save it?
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[11:08] <toomanyerrors> i dont want to save it
[11:08] <mfa298> if you've already got a zero (or 3) I'd do some experimentation with them and see what you can do and invest the money until you know what you want to do.
[11:08] <hypermist> Lol toomanyerrors sounds like me
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[11:08] <toomanyerrors> he says 16th of may i can buy whatever
[11:08] <hypermist> i have the ability to WANT TO DO IT NOW
[11:08] <hypermist> xD
[11:08] <Lonefish> indeed, that's why I asked..
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[11:09] <hypermist> hmm
[11:09] <toomanyerrors> so i have to decide till the 16th pi vs psp
[11:09] <hypermist> I wonder how many micro sd cards i have lying around my pc desk
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[11:09] <Lonefish> i'd get the stuff i needed for the zero, experiment, if I don't like it, i prolly still have enough money for the psp
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[11:09] <mfa298> toomanyerrors: have you done anything with the Pi Zeros you've got yet ?
[11:09] <toomanyerrors> nope
[11:09] <hypermist> hmm
[11:09] <toomanyerrors> psp is 6179 inr with sdcard and headphones
[11:10] <hypermist> I think i need to buy another microsd
[11:10] <hypermist> ._.
[11:10] <toomanyerrors> nope
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[11:10] <hypermist> Running loow
[11:10] <toomanyerrors> i havent even booted it up
[11:10] <mfa298> toomanyerrors: well you've got a few days to do something with the Zeros and see if you've got a use for a Pi3 then
[11:10] <toomanyerrors> i have a single zero and nothing to get it started up dude
[11:11] <mfa298> sorry I misread, I thought you had said you have 3 - but that was someone else)
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[11:12] <mfa298> well maybe use some of that money to get the zero up and running.
[11:12] <Japa> In retrospect, I probably should have ordered an SDcard reader alongside my pi
[11:12] <Lonefish> That can be useful, yes :p
[11:13] <Lonefish> No laptop with an SD-card reader?
[11:13] <Lonefish> or a phone/camera/...
[11:13] <toomanyerrors> hypermist said he has 3
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[11:16] <toomanyerrors> what do i do, what do i do?
[11:16] <BurtyB> nothing
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[11:16] <Lonefish> take the 87$ , invest in stock
[11:16] <Lonefish> profit
[11:16] <Lonefish> buy both
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[11:17] <toomanyerrors> cant buy both
[11:17] <Lonefish> if you invest in stock and profit, yes you can. We gave you a few possible scenario's. It's up to you to choose.
[11:18] <Lonefish> But if you didn't even try the zero, I'd back off buying a pi3. It's much cheaper to just fire up the zero
[11:18] <toomanyerrors> i think i'll beg my mom for the zero stuff
[11:18] <toomanyerrors> and ask my dad for the psp
[11:19] <hypermist> what 3 pi's toomanyerrors
[11:19] <hypermist> i also have 1xpi1 and a pi2 and 3pi0's and 1xpi3
[11:19] <hypermist> :D
[11:19] <Japa> I have a phone, even a weather station thing with an SDcard reader on it. Both are fine for file transfer, bad for flashing images
[11:19] <toomanyerrors> i meant 0s.
[11:20] <hypermist> yea i have 3 pi0's
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[11:20] <Japa> I have lots of 0'
[11:20] <toomanyerrors> hmm.
[11:20] <Japa> 0's
[11:20] <Japa> The number, though
[11:20] <Japa> not the pi
[11:21] <toomanyerrors> Lonefish, how's that plan? mum for the zero, dad for the psp
[11:21] <Lonefish> lol
[11:21] <Lonefish> you can try
[11:21] <toomanyerrors> why try? ya think it wont work?
[11:22] <Lonefish> Japa, what do you want to install,
[11:22] <Lonefish> I don't know your parents, how am I supposed to know if it'll work?
[11:22] <Japa> The card is coming with noobs preinstalled. I'd just need it if I want to format and try something else.
[11:23] <toomanyerrors> alright ty all
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[11:23] <Lonefish> you can reinstall noobs by copying it to your sd card tho, (the webinstall thingie)
[11:24] <Japa> Ah
[11:24] <Japa> No need to flash an image or anything?
[11:24] <Lonefish> you can, but you don't need to (at least not for noobs)
[11:25] <Lonefish> now that I come to think of it, it might be needed to format the card.. but your phone might be able to do that..
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[11:28] <hypermist> god damnit
[11:28] <hypermist> I just got limited bandwidth
[11:28] <hypermist> Now i have to wait 1hr...
[11:28] <hypermist> IT WAS 17minutes
[11:29] <Japa> Okay, so that worry is out.
[11:29] <Japa> Not that card readers are /that/ expensive.
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[11:36] <RaTTuS|BIG> https://twitter.com/ThePiHut/status/730689113809166336 Pi0 in sights
[11:37] <hypermist> im limited to 1MBs
[11:37] <hypermist> I can't load anything
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[11:37] <hypermist> It was going to be only 20mins for raspbian
[11:37] <hypermist> but now its 1hr
[11:37] <hypermist> ._,
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[11:39] <Habbie> Raspberry_Pi: WHAT COULD IT BE? https://t.co/g877WSRnlo [http://twitter.com/Raspberry_Pi/status/730691521482260481]
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[11:44] <hypermist> half an hour later... for a 1.6gb dl
[11:44] <hypermist> my internets so slow it doesnt load the twitter
[11:45] <ShorTie> lol, that be about 5 hours for me
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[11:45] <Japa> ShorTie, same.
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[11:46] <hypermist> ShorTie, it was gunna be 20minutes
[11:46] <hypermist> but i got rate limited
[11:46] <Japa> What rate?
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[11:50] <Cheaterman> Okay I'll kill Raspbian
[11:51] <hypermist> less than 1mb Japa
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[11:51] <hypermist> MBps on the speedtest that is
[11:51] <Japa> So my normal internet rate.
[11:51] <hypermist> i had .32mb down the otherday
[11:51] <hypermist> xD
[11:51] <hypermist> that couldn't even load google
[11:52] <Japa> Until recently, I had .5mb up/down plan
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[12:06] <hypermist> that sounds Brillaint japa...
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[12:08] <hypermist> i got unlimited
[12:08] <hypermist> yusdss
[12:12] <BurtyB> unlimited speed sounds more than a bit iffy to me :)
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[12:14] <Lonefish> I'm guessing unlimited downloadvolume, no?
[12:16] <BurtyB> Lonefish, still not achievable in the real world
[12:16] <Lonefish> Depends, allthough I think they always have some small print
[12:16] <Lonefish> It used to be real unlimited in belgium I think, they even had a top downloaders list
[12:17] <Lonefish> Top got 7-8TB in a month IIRC
[12:17] <BurtyB> Lonefish, err no it doesn't depend on anything you can't provide unlimited bandwidth on a port with a fixed capacity...
[12:17] <Lonefish> I'm talking about max download volume.
[12:17] <BurtyB> Lonefish, they're related...
[12:18] <Lonefish> Yes they are, I'll give you that. But most (well, at least in belgium) providers will cap your download volume
[12:18] <Lonefish> and put you on smallband if you go over
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[12:19] <Lonefish> you always have the limit of (mbps*secondsInAMonth)
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[12:19] <hypermist> BurtyB, no im meaning
[12:19] <hypermist> Im not ralte limited
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[12:19] <hypermist> anymore
[12:19] <hypermist> But i do yes have unlimited data Lonefish
[12:20] <BurtyB> hypermist, you are still limited by the speed of the technology providing the connection - it's not unlimited
[12:21] <hypermist> well atleast its higher than 100gb BurtyB :P
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[12:41] <hypermist> writing the iamge to the sd card
[12:41] <hypermist> ...
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[12:53] <hypermist> lol so pi3 requires 1.2 to 2.5A
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[12:53] <hypermist> Lel highest i've got is 400mA
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[12:57] <shiftplusone> hypermist: 2.5A is quoted because most chargers don't try to maintain 5v. throughout the whole output range. A 500mA power supply won't give you 5V at 500mA.
[12:58] <shiftplusone> sadly, many 2.5A supplies might not either.
[12:58] <hypermist> xD
[12:58] <hypermist> i found an 5V 2.0
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[12:58] <hypermist> so thats atleast semi better
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[12:59] <shiftplusone> I stick to the official supply because it has nice thick wires to help with losses and outputs something like 5.3v, so there's wiggle room.
[12:59] <hypermist> i dont have an offical psu
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[13:02] <ShorTie> mornin shiftplusone, can a pi use a gpt partition table instead of mbr ??
[13:03] <shiftplusone> ShorTie: I think that's an un-advertised feature of the pi2 and pi3, but I haven't tried it myself.
[13:03] <ShorTie> �k�� ��K��
[13:05] <ShorTie> my arm port project i'm working on uses gpt instead of mbr when making a image, twas just wondering if any hope .. :/~
[13:05] <ShorTie> Thankz .. :)~
[13:05] <shiftplusone> arm port project?
[13:06] <ShorTie> ya, smoothwall
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[13:06] <ShorTie> it's a linux from scratch firewall/router
[13:07] <ShorTie> it uses eudev with it's own funky setup too i believe
[13:08] <hypermist> tested pi3 on 5V 2.0A
[13:08] <hypermist> Worked fine even for minecraft ;D
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[13:09] <shiftplusone> ah, cool.
[13:09] <ShorTie> like 'cat /etc/mtab' list a '/dev/harddisk4 / ext4 ...' for /
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[13:10] <ShorTie> now /boot and /var/log still gives /dev/sdaX
[13:12] <Habbie> shiftplusone, if it's a pi2/3 feature then that means there's newer GPU firmware in there or something?
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[13:13] <shiftplusone> Habbie: depends on your definition of firmware. It's updated bootcode (which is used to load the rest of the firmware/bootloader off the sd card)
[13:13] <Habbie> shiftplusone, right
[13:13] <Habbie> shiftplusone, and this bootcode lives in the GPU chip as i recall it
[13:14] <shiftplusone> on the SoC, yes
[13:14] <Habbie> ack
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[13:20] <ShorTie> hacking raspbian-ua-netinst might be a quickest way to test it out
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[13:29] <extrememist> well my pi works with with internets now ;D
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[13:30] <Chryodem> awesome!
[13:31] <extrememist> i need to change keyboard lang because shift + 2 = £
[13:31] <extrememist> xD
[13:31] <Chryodem> yeah thats not right
[13:32] <extrememist> Fixed
[13:34] <extrememist> I am install vnc on this pi haha
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[13:35] <extrememist> thats not good what happened to my pc ^
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[13:41] <oq> extrememist: you mean shift+3?
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[14:07] <hypermist> well looks like my vps died
[14:07] <hypermist> for a moment
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[14:35] <GRiZL0C> Hi everyone, I've just used my old 120GB PS3 harddrive in a case to make it a external hdd storage drive. Are there any things I can do with this external storage like ftp server or using it as nas or anything?
[14:36] <GRiZL0C> on the raspberrypi 3...
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[14:37] <Habbie> yes, you can do all of those things
[14:38] <GRiZL0C> ok ty Habbie
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[15:06] <Chryodem> woooooooo
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[15:07] <Chryodem> pi 2 B going strong on a week of running a MUD
[15:08] <beatdown> What MUD? A custom one?
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[15:09] <Chryodem> It's running God Wars 2k6, slightly customized, but I am building a mud source with the guys in reddit mud for it to run eventually
[15:13] <Bilby> Nice... A pi would kick butt at that haha
[15:13] <Bilby> client or server
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[15:13] <Roonix> can we log on to it?
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[15:15] <Lonefish> I might sounds stupid, but what is a mud?
[15:15] <Lonefish> google tells me something textbased adventure?
[15:16] <mfa298> multi user dungeon if memory serves,
[15:16] <Lonefish> aaah, so kind of an online dungeons and dragons type thingie?
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[15:17] <mfa298> text based adventure is probably a better description, but one where you can potentially interact with other players
[15:17] <salviaD> if I set arm_freq=800, is gpu_freq performance incrased altogheter?
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[15:19] <Roonix> im currently playing the alternate universe MUD :D telnet alternateuniverse.dyndns.org 1063 - if anyone wants to try
[15:19] <Roonix> that also runs on a RPi
[15:20] <Bilby> Lonefish: Think World of Warcraft but with just text descriptions
[15:20] <Bilby> it's pretty fun (but can be very confusing without a graphical map)
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[15:20] <Lonefish> I think I did something of the like once, long time ago
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[15:23] <Chryodem> correct
[15:24] <Chryodem> i love them! I am not a fan of the graphical maps thoug
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[15:26] <Roonix> lol speaking of said maps, I just found one :D http://i.imgur.com/nILNdUW.gif
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[15:26] <Chryodem> that looks familiar
[15:28] <Chillum> doom?
[15:29] <oq> doom has a concert hall?
[15:29] <Chillum> in my mind it does
[15:30] <Chryodem> you may never see it in the game but they have to entertain somehow
[15:30] <Chillum> like toilets on star trek
[15:33] <IT_Sean> Actually, there is exactly ONE ST:TNG episode in which a restroom appears.
[15:33] <IT_Sean> I forget which one, though
[15:33] <Bilby> I thought there were a few that showed sinks or whatever in crew quarters
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[15:33] <Chryodem> a lot of them show sinks
[15:33] <Bilby> post-nightmare face-splashing scenes, etc
[15:33] <Chryodem> but very few (apparently only one) that shows a toilet
[15:34] <Bilby> granted, there's not a lot that happens on a toilet that's a) interesting and b) broadcast-friendly
[15:34] <Chryodem> maybe gene rodenberry couldn't think of what a future toilet would look like
[15:34] <IT_Sean> There is one in which you see a turlet.
[15:35] <Bilby> Oh goodness internet. Sometimes I don't know about you. http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Toilet
[15:35] <Bilby> hah, most references are in DS9, related to Ferengi of all people
[15:38] <oq> tng's enterprise even had stairs, but you never saw them
[15:39] <Chillum> there were stairs in the nacelle rooms
[15:40] <Chillum> you saw them
[15:40] <IT_Sean> those don't count. YOu only saw that room in one episode... or perhaps two.
[15:40] <Chillum> in that silly episode about the ghost
[15:40] <Chillum> of course they count
[15:40] <Chillum> just because ou don't see a place often does not mean it doesn't exist
[15:40] <IT_Sean> And ONE of those episdoes was an annoying "Troi is being her usual irritating self" episode.
[15:41] <Chillum> she is such a baby sometimes
[15:41] <Chillum> "Wah, I can't read others thoughts, now I am like the rest of you, life is horrible"
[15:42] <Chillum> she was insulting everyone around her while feeling sorry for herself
[15:42] <IT_Sean> I do kind of want to kick her in the teeth, i'll be honest.
[15:42] <Chillum> part of the shows charm is that some of the characters are losers
[15:42] <oq> Chillum: well for that race their telepathy was their main sense, like how eyesight/sound is our main, and for dogs its scent
[15:42] <Chillum> Riker is a real prick, but he adds so much to the show
[15:42] <oq> it would be like going blind
[15:42] <IT_Sean> He's a likable prick, though
[15:42] <Chillum> oq: only some of her race have telethapy
[15:42] <Chillum> it is a rare gift to have it to her level
[15:42] <Chillum> high society
[15:43] <IT_Sean> I mean, yeah... he is a prick... but, he's a prick it would be fun to go drinking with.
[15:43] <Chillum> he would start a fight
[15:43] <IT_Sean> whereas Troi needs to be shot out a photon torpedo tube.
[15:43] <IT_Sean> prefferably into a nearby star.
[15:43] <Chillum> can't believe they let her drive the ship that time
[15:43] <Bilby> So many parts of that ship we only saw for a handful of episodes
[15:43] <Bilby> #battlebridge
[15:44] <Chillum> saucer separation is a device used to extend the length of an episode
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[15:44] <IT_Sean> (><) LOL!
[15:44] * IT_Sean tosses Chillum a copy of the ST:TNG Technical Manual
[15:45] <Chillum> got one
[15:45] <Chillum> first edition
[15:45] <Bilby> that's awesome xD
[15:45] <Bilby> Whatever, the first time they did it you were like WHOA
[15:45] <IT_Sean> I have it on my iPad (which, yes, is named 'PADD')
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[15:48] <IT_Sean> http://i.imgur.com/MD7iuOEh.jpg
[15:49] <Chillum> funny watching characters with an armful of padd in their hands
[15:49] <Chillum> like each one can only hold one document
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[15:53] <IT_Sean> PADDs store data on isolinear chips, and each PADD can hold up to 4.3 kiloquads of data.
[15:53] <IT_Sean> Yes... I just looked that up.
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[15:57] <plugwash> not sure they ever define what a "quad" is though
[15:59] <Armand> Nope.. lol
[15:59] <Chillum> it is about 5 sentences
[16:01] <Armand> http://homepage.usask.ca/~lowey/kiloquad.html
[16:02] <Armand> tl;dr :P
[16:02] <Bilby> nerds!
[16:02] <Armand> </homer>
[16:02] * IT_Sean slaps Bilby
[16:02] * Bilby hides his poorly assembled TNG Enterprise model
[16:02] <Armand> Send it my way.. I'll fix it up.
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[16:05] <Armand> Bilby: I'm hoping I can get all of the Enterprise models, in the same scale.
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[16:08] <Chillum> Armand: With the Enterprises at least they have a scale. The Defiant is like 3 different sizes depending on what it is next to
[16:08] <Armand> lol
[16:08] <Chillum> or if they need a shuttle that episode or not
[16:08] <Armand> I tend to stick with 1:24 & 25 scale cars.. or 1:144 Gundam. :)
[16:08] <Chillum> 1:1 man
[16:08] <Chillum> only way
[16:08] <Armand> I wish
[16:09] <Armand> When we move to NJ. ^_^
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[16:14] <Bilby> Armand: That'd be neat
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[16:14] <Bilby> that reminds me of the model hallway at the USAF museum. Very, very impressive (on a tiny scale)
[16:14] <Bilby> even more so when you have many of the actual aircraft handy to compare to
[16:14] <Armand> :)
[16:15] <Zardoz> only way to be sure?
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[16:30] <Bilby> Hmm... the museum should comission an artist to build a 1:2 replica of a plane. That'd be fun
[16:30] <Bilby> Wait James May already did it
[16:30] <IT_Sean> indeed, on James May's Toy Stories
[16:31] <Bilby> which wasn't as good as i wanted it to be :|
[16:31] <Zardoz> oh Mr IT_Sean can i make a request of you?
[16:31] <Bilby> I think May's pedantry really needs the other two to work well
[16:31] <IT_Sean> you can ask....
[16:31] <Bilby> although The Assembler is pretty fun to watch
[16:31] <IT_Sean> Bilby: really? I enjoyed it.
[16:32] <Zardoz> I would just like to test somthing with my client and would be gratfull if you can just kick me from the channel (no ban pls)
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[16:35] <IT_Sean> Whee... that was fun.
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[16:35] <Bilby> IT_Sean: I just expected him to be more... thorough? Idn. I just remember being a bit bored. Maybe I should re-watch it :P
[16:35] <Bilby> lo
[16:35] <Bilby> *lol
[16:35] <IT_Sean> He did ask for it.
[16:35] <IT_Sean> Anyone else need a right kicking?
[16:35] <IT_Sean> :p
[16:35] <Zardoz> Thank you sir.
[16:36] <IT_Sean> You are quite welcome, sir.
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[16:37] <IT_Sean> Chillum: 1:1 scale cars are overrated. Quite expensive, they leak oil all over my lovely driveway, and they are a pain to keep clean.
[16:37] <Zardoz> lol I am sittinh here coping files to my NAS, goign why is the trasfer going only at 30MB/s
[16:37] <Chillum> IT_Sean: and painting them uses SO MANY of those little bottles of paint
[16:37] <Zardoz> then relised oh yeah USB, ahahah
[16:37] <IT_Sean> Chillum: that too!
[16:38] <IT_Sean> I've two, myself, both several decades old. Both are projects. I'm not complaining, as I enjoy getting my hands oily, but... still. There are downsides to the full scale ones.
[16:39] <IT_Sean> the 1:24 models in my office don't leak oil, nor do they require insurnace.
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[16:39] <TheLostAdmin> You can't drive them either.
[16:39] <IT_Sean> There is that.
[16:39] <Bilby> the name Aldi (a syllabic abbreviation for Albrecht Diskont)
[16:39] <Chillum> IT_Sean: if you were serious about realistic models you would make them leak oil, tiny amounts of oil
[16:39] <Bilby> whoops wrong channel <_<
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[16:39] <Chillum> tiny little insurance
[16:40] <IT_Sean> Chillum: I would be constantly chaning oil then! I've got a couple dozen of the damn things!
[16:40] <Chillum> you need a tiny little mechanic, like Leno has in full size
[16:40] <Bilby> lol
[16:40] <IT_Sean> hahaha!
[16:40] <Bilby> train gerbils
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[16:41] <Armand> IT_Sean: I still have to consider what car to buy first, when we move to NJ. :P
[16:41] <Armand> Too many choices.
[16:41] <TheLostAdmin> Get a Tesla, Armand.
[16:41] <Armand> Roadster
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[16:41] <IT_Sean> Armand: It's NJ. The potholes will kill it dead. Buy something cheap that you don't mind setting on fire under a bridge in a couple years.
[16:41] <Armand> The Model S is just fugly and over-sized.
[16:41] * IT_Sean used to live in New Jersey
[16:42] <Armand> Been there enough times.. I know. O_O
[16:42] <Armand> Ok, Toyota Landbruiser it is! :D
[16:42] <TheLostAdmin> A surplus APC?
[16:42] <IT_Sean> There you go!
[16:42] <JK-47> Pro tip: Dont move to NJ.
[16:42] <IT_Sean> A sherman tank, perhaps?
[16:42] <IT_Sean> THAT!
[16:42] <Armand> JK-47: Fail-tip
[16:42] <IT_Sean> There is NO good reason to EVER move to NJ.
[16:42] <Armand> ...that you can assume. :P
[16:42] <computer2000> Hi can I feed the Pi with an PSU that can output ~4Amp and then forward that current from the Pi to other components, so feed the Pi plus external components from same PSU?
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[16:43] <Bilby> computer2000: yes, but you don't need to pass the current through the Pi
[16:43] <computer2000> I need to feed several Servos that draw up to 3 Amp in total but would like to use same PSU as for Po
[16:43] <computer2000> Bilby: but is it possible?
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[16:44] <Bilby> just put multiple taps on the PSU positive and make sure all of the grounds are common
[16:44] <TheLostAdmin> In a minor modification of Bilby's initial statement, yes but you shouldn't pass the current through the Pi.
[16:44] <Bilby> the Pi 3 can provide more current than the other two (on the USB Bus) but the GPIO is still very current limited
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[16:45] <computer2000> Bilby: how much can it forward?
[16:46] <Drzacek> computer2000, those motors could draw a lot more than 3A when they start
[16:46] <GRiZL0C> hello everyone i have an external drive connected to my pi but after a while the drive goes into sleep mode is this a normal thing?
[16:46] <computer2000> Drzacek: I've measured them
[16:46] <Habbie> GRiZL0C, does it come back out of sleep mode when you access it?
[16:47] <GRiZL0C> yes
[16:47] <Chunkyz> [Saint_], I took your advice.
[16:47] <TheSin> okay so after a ton of readong on GPIO46, I can see it chagne with hdmi plug and unplug on the value, but there is never an interrupt, so I can't use poll() to monitor the change, anyone have any other ideas for an hdmi hotplug daemon?
[16:47] <Drzacek> computer2000, you need a driver. It takes current direclty from PSU, and RPi gives only control signals
[16:47] <Bilby> https://www.raspberrypi.org/help/faqs/#power about 1.2A at most
[16:47] <Bilby> computer2000: that link has info for all the Pis power supply and requirements
[16:47] <TheSin> I built one that just loops and reads value, but that sucks, it's a CPU hog among other terrible things, there has to be a better way to monitor it
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[16:50] <daveake> computer2000 If you check the schematic here - https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/schematics/RPI-3B-V1_2-SCHEMATIC-REDUCED.pdf - you'll see a thermal fuse between power in at the micro usb socket and the gpio 5V pin. If you then check the datasheet for that part http://www.bourns.com/docs/Product-Datasheets/mfmsmf.pdf you'll see
[16:50] <daveake> it's rated for a max continuous load of 2.5A
[16:50] <daveake> and that it will trip at 5A @ 25deg C
[16:50] <Bilby> daveake with the deep knowledge! :P
[16:50] <daveake> I'd keep servos (of any rating) well away from the Pi 5V line anyway
[16:51] <daveake> Nah, just google skillz :p
[16:51] <computer2000> daveake: ok so feed servos current another line
[16:51] <Bilby> I can't imagine it's a great idea, yeah
[16:51] <Bilby> you have to go through mosfets or a controller for the data lines anyhow
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[16:51] <daveake> Motors are spiky, which is bad for electronics. Spiky things the wrong side of a thermal fuse will be more spiky.
[16:52] <computer2000> daveake: I just thought there might be a direct forward circuit or so which I could use
[16:53] <daveake> It's not as direct as you'd want it to be. As the motor draws more ciurrent it will increase the voltage drop across that thermal fuse and the power lead to the Pi; you don't want to be doing that
[16:53] <computer2000> daveake: I see
[16:54] <Armand> IT_Sean: My wife is from NJ, so we will end up close to NJ no matter what. :P
[16:54] <IT_Sean> eeeew
[16:54] <IT_Sean> Do what I did... move away from NJ.
[16:54] <IT_Sean> It is expensive as all hell to live there, and it's not really that nice.
[16:54] <Armand> We're about 3500 miles away from it right now. lol
[16:54] <daveake> I've got some fairly beefy (16N-cm) servos here. They pull over an amp just to move with no load. They're getting their own independent PSU
[16:54] <daveake> sorry 16kg-cm
[16:55] <Armand> IT_Sean: Expensive compared to UK living ?
[16:55] <IT_Sean> I dunnah about that, but, it's one of the more expensive states in the US as far as cost of living.
[16:55] <Armand> lol
[16:55] <Armand> Ok, one point... Sales tax.
[16:55] <Armand> 7% vs 20% �
[16:55] <Armand> !
[16:55] <computer2000> daveake: mine are ~ 6 kg-cm, small ones and pretty efficient
[16:56] <computer2000> daveake: at stall they drew no more than 0.4 A
[16:56] <computer2000> one of them
[16:57] <Bilby> I was born in NJ, still have some family there
[16:57] <Bilby> haven't been there since uh... 08?
[16:57] <jq-> Bilby: Where in jersey
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[16:58] <Bilby> and that was a quick trip for a wedding that i don't remember much of due to sleep deprivation lol
[16:58] <Bilby> wait that wasn't 08 that was like... 04
[16:58] <Armand> I was there in October.
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[16:59] <jq-> NJ is only expensive in certain areas
[16:59] <Armand> We'll be considering anywhere up from around Baltimore.
[16:59] <jq-> You can live in newark pretty cheap :P
[16:59] <Armand> Close to Newark. ;)
[16:59] <Bilby> jq-: little town west of Edison
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[17:00] <Bilby> it's funny people think of NJ as basically Newark + Atlantic City + Trenton but most of it is farmland haha
[17:00] <jq-> Bilby: I'm up in Hamburg
[17:00] <jq-> I know all about the farm land :P
[17:01] <Armand> I might have some options around Baltimore, Wilmington, etc.
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[17:03] <computer2000> London here
[17:04] <Armand> Maidenhead here.
[17:05] <jq-> IT_Sean: I tried to leave jersey twice. It sucks even more everywhere else. People walk/drive too slow :P
[17:06] <JK-47> It's not farmland. It's chemically polluted "preserved land" claimed as farmland, which the state paid the "farmers" to look like they farm it. You ever have jersey corn? Thats some nasty monsato right there. I had the sad misfortune of living in southern nj, and my ex and kids still do.
[17:06] <jq-> JK-47: South jersey is just disgusting lol
[17:06] <JK-47> mid and north are to
[17:06] <IT_Sean> jq-: I moved to South Carolina and am loving it.
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[17:07] <Armand> My experience of NJ is all around Paterson, Clifton, Newark.
[17:07] <IT_Sean> Armand: The smelliest parts!
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[17:07] <jq-> IT_Sean: Idk ^ :P
[17:07] <Armand> I'm from West London...
[17:07] <Armand> Perspective. :P
[17:07] <IT_Sean> *The smelliest parts of NJ!
[17:07] <jq-> IT_Sean: I go to SC once a year for vacation, it's nice.
[17:08] <jq-> I tried PA and FL
[17:08] <jq-> But they both sucked
[17:08] <Armand> IT_Sean: I'm just glad you weren't talking about MY smelly parts. :P
[17:08] <IT_Sean> eew
[17:08] <JK-47> i think it's funny that PA built a landfill in a valley just across the river of a town on southern NJ. So in summer all the smell goes to nj and not pa
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[17:09] <jiblet> I found 2 raspberrypis in a schools e-waste dumpster they both work and I'm so excited
[17:10] <Chillum> noice
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[17:10] <TheLostAdmin> Probably have a new teacher who didn't know what they were and was cleaning out the supply closet.
[17:10] <jiblet> its cool...kinda freaky though, they had microsd cards filled with student medical information. I wiped it
[17:11] <IT_Sean> BOO! You could have sold it to the highest bidder!
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[17:12] <jiblet> TheLostAdmin: Makes sense. I feel like to an "outsider" the exposed circuitry and what not looks more like a junk electronics scrap than a fuill on computer
[17:12] <jiblet> What's the cheapest raspi screen?
[17:13] <IT_Sean> depends on what size you want
[17:13] <shiftplusone> cheapest? one off ebay that doesn't work and comes with no documentation.
[17:13] <IT_Sean> you can get a wee teeny one the size of a postage stamp for not much money, but, dunnah how useful that would be.
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[17:15] <Bilby> jiblet: whoa. I'd have turned them in for HIPPA violations :P
[17:15] <Bilby> because if there was info like that, odds are they have bigger problems
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[17:18] <jiblet> I just want a screen big enough to use the terminal comforatably. ~10 inches maybe even smaller would be fine
[17:19] <jiblet> Bilby: I guess I don't care enough to do that. I think the reason I didn't is because there are bigger problems.
[17:19] <jiblet> and I already don't trust academia
[17:20] <jiblet> \/academic institutions at least the ones I've been to in the US
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[17:38] <stevie86> Hi! How could I echo a text if a grep returns no result but execute the grep if it will return results?
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[17:39] <Habbie> hi stevie86
[17:39] <Habbie> i didn't quite catch that
[17:39] <Habbie> can you type more words?
[17:39] <Armand> stevie86: If there are no results, it returns nothing.. lol
[17:40] <Bilby> Habbie: stevie86 wants to execute a grep query and if there's no result have it echo "No result" instead of doing nothing
[17:40] <Armand> Seems a pointless exercise to me.
[17:40] <Habbie> grep foo yourfile || echo No results
[17:40] <Bilby> if (grep "searchstring" == "") { echo 'No result found.'; } else { echo grep "searchstring"; }
[17:41] <Bilby> (psuedocode)
[17:41] <stevie86> thats what I want, yes
[17:41] <stevie86> im trying to draw up an sh script that sends out mails
[17:41] <stevie86> is executed regularly
[17:41] <stevie86> i dont want to send out empty mails
[17:42] <Habbie> if you put it in cron
[17:42] <Habbie> and let cron do the mailing
[17:42] <Habbie> it will automatically avoid sending empty mails
[17:42] <stevie86> yes shure
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[17:42] <stevie86> but the grep output is just one line in the mail
[17:43] <stevie86> or X lines that is
[17:43] <stevie86> but if the grep returns nothing theres just the static body of the mail
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[17:43] <Habbie> stevie86, you did see 15:40:35 Habbie | grep foo yourfile || echo No results
[17:43] <Habbie> stevie86, ?
[17:43] <stevie86> yes, but he said pseudocode
[17:43] <methuzla> could maybe use exit status
[17:44] <Habbie> mine is real code, stevie86
[17:44] <Bilby> sorry, mine was psuedocode
[17:44] <Habbie> methuzla, yes, that's what it does :)
[17:44] <Bilby> I'm no bash scripter, was just trying to clarify the request ;)
[17:45] <stevie86> yes thats the part of echoing no result
[17:45] <stevie86> but that will be echoed everytime, wont it?
[17:45] <Habbie> sheesh
[17:46] <shiftplusone> || is 'or'
[17:46] <shiftplusone> if grep returns false, then the part after || runs.
[17:46] <Habbie> would you stop discussing and start typing
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[17:47] <stevie86> ok, sorry thanks... your code will display results if there are, otherwise echo the given text
[17:47] <Bilby> which is confusing since | is piping :P
[17:47] <Bilby> stevie86: it's super easy to just test this in a command prompt
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[17:48] <stevie86> great thanks folks!
[17:48] <shiftplusone> I prefer to use if blah; then something; fi, since it's more readable.
[17:48] <Habbie> shiftplusone, good call
[17:49] <methuzla> and allows for other stuff to happen
[17:49] <Bilby> and allows for cleanup
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[18:01] <styler2go|mobile> Hi. I am trying to use my raspberry as a repeater. At work it worked, at home it doesn't work anymore. If i connect to the pi through the created hotspot i can avcess the internet from command line (ping etc.) but it's not being forwarded to wlan1 anymore. Can someone please help?
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[18:06] <styler2go|mobile> Noone?
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[18:08] <OxB00T> damn it.. rpi3 not 64-bit? need 64-bit
[18:08] <Bilby> it's a 64 bit capable processor but most kernels are not yet 64 bit
[18:08] <OxB00T> could emulate it but ARMs are slow enough
[18:08] <OxB00T> I see
[18:09] <Bilby> what do you need 64 bit for?
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[18:09] <OxB00T> Bilby: large numbers
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[18:10] <stevie86> OK, friends I did some testing, and im missing something here: heres my script: http://pastebin.com/CdVyXX2a. the grep at the top should determine wether the rest of the script is executed or not. If the grep is empty, the script should exit
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[18:11] <stevie86> But instead the script completes every time
[18:12] <plugwash> Theres some experimental 64-bit stuff for the pi3 out there
[18:12] <plugwash> have a read through https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=137963
[18:13] <Bilby> stevie86: I don't know if grep returns an empty string or false if no results found. If it returns an empty string, i don't know if bash records that as False or True
[18:14] <stevie86> is there any way to accomplish what I would like=
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[18:14] <mfa298> stevie86: you probably need an if statement that checks the return code from the grep,
[18:14] <methuzla> greps exit code is false if sting not found
[18:14] <mfa298> you can get the return code from $?
[18:14] <Bilby> methuzla: thanks
[18:14] <Bilby> stevie86: i notice you don't have any command actually exiting the script
[18:14] <Bilby> just the echo
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[18:15] <mfa298> stevie86: however as stated yesterday go learn some basic linux, especially as it look a bit like you're trying to make a commercial project.
[18:15] <stevie86> OK, thanks
[18:16] <mfa298> also you don't need to "cat <file> | grep <pattern>" you can do "grep <pattern> <file(s)>"
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[18:17] <Bilby> i mean, nothing wrong with asking questions in here even on commercial projects, but it's likely if these kinds of questions are tough there are other things that need work too...
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[18:17] <Bilby> like... more learning. hence the reccomendation to go learn... and i think it's time for more coffee
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[18:19] <mfa298> If it's a commercial project you really should understand what you've put together works, what happens if it starts spamming all your customers every minute and there's no one on IRC to help you.
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[18:19] <mfa298> That could be a serious issue for a business, all for want of learning some basic stuff
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[18:21] <daveake> Like that guy that rm -rf'd his business?
[18:22] <Bilby> yep. it's why i'm super cautious about using any of my code in production
[18:22] <Bilby> I've done enough to make some decently complex stuff, but i'm no pro
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[18:23] <styler2go> noone around who can help me forwarding ipv6 traffic?
[18:23] <mfa298> gets even more fun with big data, rm -rf /var on a couple of servers and loose all the data accross hundreds of servers in some systems.
[18:24] <Bilby> even within a program i'm cautious... i'm working on a python script (more a program at this point) that does a lot of file renaming
[18:24] <Bilby> it forces you to sit and wait while it types text on the screen before asking you ARE YOU REALLY SURE if you want to continue
[18:24] <Bilby> styler2go: sorry, not my baliwick
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[18:25] <mfa298> styler2go: you might need to tell us what you've got setup and whats not working, failing that there's also #ipv6 who may or may nto be helpful.
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[18:26] <styler2go> no worries, i'll cry in a corner :'(
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[18:26] <mfa298> styler2go: I may be able to help, but I'm not psycic so don't know what you're doing (or not doing)
[18:26] <daey> im looking for a 6x8 font that i can use for the terminal via dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
[18:27] <styler2go> i have wlan0 which is connected to my wifi and wlan1 which is a hotspot bot hostapd, now i want to forward ipv6 traffic between them
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[18:28] <theseb> can you SSH into RP3 as user pi?
[18:28] <daey> yes
[18:28] <stevie86> Ok, i found the solution to this one... http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13024828/if-grep-finds-what-it-is-looking-fore-do-x-else-y
[18:28] <mfa298> presumably they're on different subnets, in which case the upstream router would need to know about the subnet on wlan1
[18:28] <mfa298> and you just need to enable routing in the kernel
[18:28] <stevie86> check the exit code and then continue or break
[18:28] <theseb> daey: is default password ubuntu? i tried it and no go
[18:28] <styler2go> yes
[18:28] <daey> theseb: 'raspberry'
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[18:28] <styler2go> and i have internet on my pi
[18:28] <styler2go> oh
[18:28] <styler2go> you asked a different question lol, but yes
[18:28] <theseb> daey: so i need to delete the account else RP3 by default is a security risk!
[18:29] <theseb> daey: thanks btw
[18:29] <styler2go> just passwd
[18:29] <theseb> styler2go: ?
[18:29] <daey> theseb: well. its less secure than an unknown account name. but i woudlnt call it a gigantic security risk if you pick a proper pw
[18:30] <mfa298> styler2go: it looks like you need to prod /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/forwarding to enable forwarding
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[18:30] <styler2go> how can i enable that? :o
[18:31] <mfa298> styler2go: you may also need to setup something on the Pi to advertise prefixes. ndp possibly
[18:31] <mfa298> 'echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/forwarding' as root will enable it for that session
[18:31] <theseb> daey: ah yes..just change passwd...thanks......you've been a big help
[18:32] <mfa298> but if you're upstream router doesn't know how to get to your wlan1 subnet you'll have issues getting packets back (there's not really nat in IPv6)
[18:32] <daey> theseb: you're welcome
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[18:33] <styler2go> so it's impossible to create an ipv6 repeater?
[18:34] <theseb> Does everyone think businesses will start choosing raspberry pi if they just need employees having access to web?
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[18:34] <shauno> no
[18:34] <theseb> do bosses know Google Docs on RP3 can provide adequate word processing for the secretary?
[18:34] <theseb> in firefox?
[18:34] <theseb> shauno: why not?
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[18:35] <theseb> shauno: it is so clean and simple and cheap...who wouldn't luv it!?!!!?
[18:35] <shauno> we spend more on support contracts than computers. the computer's just a widget. the pi has no support contracts
[18:35] <mfa298> it's possible to setup a IPv6 router, but you need some control over the upstream (in my case I've got a tunnel and route IPv6 on various devices - although no linux as it wasn't that good at IPv6 when I set stuff up)
[18:35] <theseb> shauno: i'm not a sysadmin but if you just surf web then does the eliminate support needs?
[18:35] <theseb> shauno: what would you need support for?
[18:36] <shauno> someone to blame when it stops working (and it does stop working)
[18:36] <pcmerc> how sad
[18:36] <pcmerc> time to learn
[18:36] <pcmerc> lol
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[18:37] <theseb> shauno: wait..i'm not the smartest tool in the shed....but if RP3 is CHEAPER and has LESS attack vectors and LESS ways for users to mess it up......where is the loss?
[18:37] <theseb> shauno: why not good idea?
[18:37] <mfa298> support contract - someone that can get you lots of workign systems the next day after a major incident.
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[18:37] <theseb> shauno: make RP3 boot to browser and never let users do anything else....support problems melt away!@
[18:37] <shauno> we have somewhere close to 170,000 employees. keeping it ticking is a major task
[18:38] <shauno> and we don't have a whole lot of people who are paid to just surf the web, to be honest
[18:38] <shauno> well, we do, but that's not what they think they're paying me for :|
[18:38] <pcmerc> sounds like fun to me
[18:38] <theseb> shauno: if you support developers that's a different story
[18:38] <mfa298> how quickly can you re-image say 1000 pi's, I bet it woudl take more than a few days, Easily doable with a properly setup and supported system
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[18:39] <SaltySolomon> Hi, is there anything to easily set up a server on a raspberry pi 2
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[18:41] <BurtyB> a server of what?
[18:41] <theseb> mfa298: wow...what kind of operation you got going?
[18:41] <theseb> mfa298: are you building a product on pi?
[18:41] <theseb> and mass producing embedded kits?
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[18:42] <mfa298> I've previously worked in an organisation where we had to re-install lots of PCs from time to time
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[18:43] <mfa298> which included installing windows and a range of software - done with a handful of keypresses, then leave to do all the work
[18:44] <mfa298> doing that for a Pi is tedious. I've imaged a number of SD cards in a go for Pi's and it's a pain.
[18:46] <theseb> mfa298: when i used to build linux supercomputers we used custom distros that were set to reinstall for every reboot
[18:46] <theseb> mfa298: i imagine best would be to put some image on the pi's so that you just had to reboot all 1000 to reinstall your new image?
[18:47] <theseb> mfa298: of course you'd need a fat server to handle the traffic unless you staggered the reboots
[18:47] <methuzla> SaltySolomon, nc -l 1234
[18:48] <mfa298> theseb: currently the pi's can only boot from SD, so updating/replacing that image is a case of put the SD card in sometihng else, and write the image, that ends up being a lot of effort.
[18:49] <mfa298> this is why big busineses are unlikely to replace workstations with lots of Pis, which was your original question.
[18:50] <daey> mfa298: "nobody ever got fired for buying IBM" :P
[18:51] <mfa298> In the life of IT you're probably going to spend as much on the support as on the hardware. because when you need that support you tend to really need it.
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[18:59] <theseb> mfa298: yes pi's can only boot from SD....so what? i don't see how that means my reboot install system can't work then
[18:59] <theseb> mfa298: unless i'm missing something
[19:00] <daey> mfa298: why would anyone replace workstations with pis? its not cost efficient
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[19:01] <theseb> dhcp question.....every reboot my linux box may get a new private IP address.....how receive the new address? (Can dynamic dns work with PRIVATE LANS/addresses too?)
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[19:02] <mfa298> daey: it's a question that was posed at the start of all ofthat
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[19:02] <daey> i see. just ignore it then
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[19:04] <mfa298> theseb: if the dhcp server is doing the right thing, the IP probably shouldn't change. You can do dynmanic dns but it's likely more trouble that it's worth (you need to suitably configure a dhcpd server and dns server), ahavi might be more useful
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[19:06] <daey> im logged in via ssh. con2fbmap 1 1 shows me a terminal with a login prompt (obivously)
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[19:24] <bjfmonkey> Hi
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[19:25] <Celerity> hello!
[19:25] <Celerity> I'm considering using a raspberry pi 3 as a thin client.
[19:25] <Celerity> has anyone else tried it before?
[19:26] <bjfmonkey> Hey! I have raspberry pi b+ (not a 2) and was wondering what the cheapest, but still nice looking, way of turning it into a laptop, a pi-top is ridculosly prices but easy to use....
[19:26] * Celerity has no idea about a pi-top
[19:27] <bjfmonkey> haha
[19:27] <bjfmonkey> its basically a premade kit to make a laptop
[19:27] <Celerity> however, I *did* see a really thick rpi tablet.
[19:27] <niston> like 15cm thick ?
[19:27] <Celerity> well, I think it was around an inch thick
[19:27] <bjfmonkey> it costs like £207 though, that includes a pi3 which is really the easiest way considering i only have a pi b+
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[19:28] <coremodule> bjfmonkey, You'd sure have a slick looking (and well performing) Pi-based laptop if you went the Pi-Top way...
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[19:28] <bjfmonkey> Yeah, but its expensive
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[19:29] <niston> we also made a thick Raspi "tablet"
[19:29] <niston> http://imgur.com/WTRRaS9
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[19:29] <coremodule> Well, necessity being the mother of invention...
[19:29] <niston> haha xD
[19:29] <coremodule> niston, Does that have a built-in SDR?
[19:29] <niston> yes
[19:29] <niston> its actually a suitcase raspi :P
[19:29] <niston> coremodule: bladeRF inside :)
[19:30] <coremodule> niston, Do you have any build details or links to it? That's awesome!
[19:30] <niston> unfortunately no.
[19:30] <niston> its work stuff.
[19:30] <Roonix> http://cdn.instructables.com/FXN/P9DX/H8RVBCHF/FXNP9DXH8RVBCHF.MEDIUM.jpg
[19:30] <niston> you can have the GUI though
[19:30] <Roonix> https://www.wired.com/images_blogs/design/2012/12/mobile-rpi-togo-05.jpg
[19:30] <niston> I made it in my spare time so you can download it from github
[19:30] <coremodule> niston, I'll take it!
[19:30] <Roonix> http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/p35k198rmkbnzo0yqfhw.jpg
[19:30] <Roonix> https://www.raspberrypi.org/magpi/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/laptopmain.jpg
[19:30] <niston> coremodule: https://github.com/niston/touchGUI
[19:31] <coremodule> niston, Thanks. What do you do for work that you made a Pi-based SDR?
[19:31] <Roonix> you basically just need some kind of case, a cheap mini keyboard/mouse, lcd and a battery
[19:31] <niston> im a software engineer myself, but the company I work for supplies BTS equipment for mobile communication operators
[19:31] <bjfmonkey> This is tempting: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Motorola-Atrix-Lapdock-Ideal-for-Raspberry-Pi-fans-/361552946182?hash=item542e3c2406:g:QrMAAOSwQNRXL4ct but, its worth the double price for easier use, ncer looking and not cables everywhere
[19:31] <Roonix> if you have a 3d printer, you'd be in business
[19:32] <bjfmonkey> Dont' have a 3d printer unfortunately
[19:32] <niston> coremodule: so we made this thing to test out new installations :)
[19:32] <niston> saves us about 15 minutes per measurement
[19:32] <niston> we do about 1000 measurements a year
[19:33] <Roonix> lol scratch that you don't even need a 'keyboard' some pushbuttons and breadboard will do :D https://i.ytimg.com/vi/H5LQe4y9TCk/maxresdefault.jpg
[19:33] <niston> rofl Roonix
[19:33] <niston> :D
[19:34] <bjfmonkey> my god, thats probably hell to use
[19:34] <niston> looks really tiny
[19:34] <jiblet> bjfmonkey: Are you turning it into a laptop to save money or to have a project to work on, because if it's to save money you'd be way better of getting a used laptop on ebay
[19:34] <niston> ie compare size of led
[19:34] <bjfmonkey> kind of both.
[19:34] <bjfmonkey> xD
[19:36] <bjfmonkey> that laptop IS tiny
[19:36] <bjfmonkey> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5LQe4y9TCk
[19:36] <niston> hmm. waiting for the dishwasher to finish so I can cook me an oistrich.
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[19:37] <gordonDrogon> you're going to cook it in the dishwasher?
[19:37] <bjfmonkey> xD
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[19:37] <niston> gordonDrogon haha
[19:37] <Roonix> ostrich meat or eggs?
[19:37] <Encrypt> Hello there o/
[19:37] <niston> nope. but I'll be using dishes inside the washer :)
[19:37] <niston> Roonix: meat
[19:37] <niston> a filet :D
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[19:38] <Encrypt> Is anyone familiar with pbuilder here?
[19:38] <Encrypt> I need a lecture :3
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[19:38] <Crom> heh Hypermist now has more rpi0's than I do
[19:39] <bjfmonkey> how many is that?
[19:39] <Crom> but I do have 2 rpi3's
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[19:39] <bjfmonkey> does anyone else think that the RPI3 i more geared for the pi-top or more "disconnected" projects
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[19:40] <martin290> hey everyone
[19:40] <Crom> I have 2 rpi0
[19:40] <Crom> s and 2 Rpi3's
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[19:41] <martin290> has anyone used their pi as a file server with an external hard drive?
[19:42] <IT_Sean> That would be.... slow.
[19:42] <martin290> really?
[19:42] <IT_Sean> Keep in mind USB and network share the same bus, so... using both at the same time for large transfers would slow things down a bit.
[19:42] <coremodule> niston, That's really cool. I made something like that out of a Pi B model a couple years back: http://imgur.com/fkFtdy1
[19:43] <niston> coremodule: very nice!
[19:43] <martin290> ah ok
[19:43] <niston> is that case from aliexpress?
[19:43] <niston> I saw similar (if not the same) there and wondered
[19:43] <coremodule> niston, The UI was pretty aweful, but hey, it works.
[19:43] <martin290> coremodule: what is that used for?
[19:44] <coremodule> I'm not sure, at the time I worked for a company that was scrapping a bunch of cases like that so I couldn't tell you for sure.
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[19:44] <niston> ah ok. what you built it for? what does it do?
[19:44] <coremodule> marlinc, It's a software-defined-radio and RasPi B model in a case. Basically a handheld spectrum analyzer.
[19:44] <niston> aah
[19:44] <niston> :D
[19:44] <niston> nice!
[19:45] <martin290> coremodule: oh wow that sounds awesome
[19:45] <coremodule> Would work a lot better with a quad-1.2GHz Pi3... Maybe someday.
[19:45] <niston> something I wanna do is build a TDR into the orange box :)
[19:46] <martin290> my co worker just bought one, coremodule
[19:46] <martin290> the wifi is pretty coo,
[19:46] <martin290> cool*
[19:46] <coremodule> niston, Using a RasPi?
[19:46] <martin290> coremodule: did you have to write some code to get it working?
[19:46] <niston> coremodule: what software did you use for the speccie?
[19:46] <niston> yes
[19:47] <niston> I'll try with the already-inside raspi2 (if adequate), or with a Pi3 if it doesnt work out due to performance
[19:47] <coremodule> niston, Gosh, I used some python library that I can't remember the name of...
[19:47] <niston> I was looking if someone implemented a scope using SDR
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[19:48] <coremodule> niston, Oscilloscop?
[19:48] <niston> yes, osmocom seems to have an application
[19:48] <niston> signalScope or something its called
[19:48] <coremodule> niston, That's what I used. osmocom-sdr piped into a python script to handle the GUI and user input.
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[19:48] <niston> ahh
[19:49] <niston> right
[19:49] <jiblet> you should get a used x200 tablet computer inside, just my two cents
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[19:50] <niston> a scope would be nice, since hackRF support up to 6GHz (I believe) while bladeRF can do 3800MHz
[19:50] <niston> and even a 1Gig scope is $$$$$$$$ even 2ndhand
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[19:52] <niston> gonna check on dishwasher, brb (if not->cooking oistrich)
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[19:52] <coremodule> niston, I've got a HackRF, it works quite nice. Although if I recall, the max input is like 5volts peak to peak
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[19:55] <repozitor> how to change to this code to work on rasbperry 3 model B?
[19:55] <repozitor> http://elinux.org/RPi_GPIO_Code_Samples
[19:55] <repozitor> Direct register access
[19:55] <repozitor> http://elinux.org/RPi_GPIO_Code_Samples#Direct_register_access
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[19:55] <repozitor> what is the best solution to read input 16bit on 1Mhz frequency?
[19:55] <repozitor> i think my asnwer is direct register access, any better idea?
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[19:58] <gordonDrogon> repozitor, look for the "pigpio library.
[19:59] <gordonDrogon> although it can be done at that speed with wiringPi - however cpu usage will be high.
[19:59] <gordonDrogon> (assuming there's a 17th clock bit input or something like that)
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[20:15] <repozitor> gordonDrogon, i need C source, not python
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[20:16] <repozitor> gordonDrogon, what do you mean by "17th clock bit input" ?
[20:16] <gordonDrogon> I never mentioned python.
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[20:17] <gordonDrogon> I wondered if your 16-bit data was clocked via a separate clock bit.
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[20:18] <repozitor> i need to store 16bit input bit at 1MHz speed.
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[20:18] <repozitor> http://elinux.org/RPi_GPIO_Code_Samples#pigpio_2
[20:18] <repozitor> pigpio written in python lang.
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> so look at the pigpio library.
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> pigpio is written in C (there may be PYthon wrappers for it though - I don't know, I don't use Python, not pigpio, just wiringPi)
[20:19] <gordonDrogon> http://abyz.co.uk/rpi/pigpio/
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[20:20] <repozitor> gordonDrogon, i think the direct register access have the maximum performance.
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[20:20] <gordonDrogon> indeed, but if you want accurate timing, then ... either use pigpio or... good luck.
[20:20] <repozitor> using library won't capture input at 1MHz.
[20:21] <gordonDrogon> ok, don't bother to read the pigpio website then.
[20:21] <gordonDrogon> e.g. don't bother reading the bit that says: sampling and time-ssampling and time-stamping of GPIO 0-31 between 100,000 and 1,000,000 times per second.tamping of GPIO 0-31 between 100,000 and 1,000,000 times per second.
[20:21] <repozitor> gordonDrogon, have you ever see this?
[20:21] <repozitor> http://codeandlife.com/2012/07/03/benchmarking-raspberry-pi-gpio-speed/
[20:21] <gordonDrogon> 2012 - yes - very old.
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[20:22] <gordonDrogon> and for the record; I write/maintain the wiringPi gpio library.
[20:22] <repozitor> ok, you are right, i will test it, if it fail to work, i will paste new ticket here. :)
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[20:23] <gordonDrogon> ticket?
[20:23] <repozitor> i mean, new question
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[20:24] <gordonDrogon> I'm not sure if the author of pigpio hangs out here. best off using the forums.
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[20:24] <repozitor> you are right.
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[20:28] <Chunkyz> 'sup
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[20:29] <repozitor> wiringPi is working faster that pigpio?
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[20:29] <gordonDrogon> they work in different ways.
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[20:30] <gordonDrogon> wiringPi can work faster, but because it's not clocked via one of the internal hardware clocks, there is much jitter due to Linux, and the other hardware stuff. e.g. memory refresh
[20:31] <gordonDrogon> so to gurantee a 1Mhz sampling rate with wiringPi is almost impossible.
[20:31] <gordonDrogon> it can sample faster, but you have very little control over the speed.
[20:32] <repozitor> input data goes from ADC, 16bit resolution, with one bit of interrupt.
[20:32] <repozitor> i need to capture them.
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[20:32] <repozitor> sample rate is 1MsPs
[20:32] <repozitor> so, can you tell me which one is better?
[20:33] <gordonDrogon> you could poll the interrupt bit then take the sample. this will consume lots of cpu cycles.
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[20:34] <gordonDrogon> you read & store the entire 32-bit register then pick out the bits later (assuming bursts of fixed size samples)
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[20:35] <repozitor> ok, so you think pigpio work better or wiringPi?
[20:35] <repozitor> imagine i need to implement it in C
[20:36] <gordonDrogon> I have no 1st-hand experience of pigpio - just what I read on the website. if you have to synchronise sampling with the ADCs end of conversion then even that might not be good enough.
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[20:44] <niston> coremodule: yeah, could need a voltage divider of some sort, perhaps an auto ranging circuit
[20:44] <niston> hah. there you have your kickstarter project idea,.
[20:44] <Berg> ?me kickstarts the morning
[20:44] <Berg> hello world
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[20:45] <niston> hello Berg.
[20:45] <niston> fuck theres a gazillion of coke cans on my desk.
[20:45] <niston> one of them is not empty.
[20:45] <Berg> I had a dog named can i shot him
[20:46] <Berg> i mwonder what today will bring
[20:46] <Berg> wonder
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[20:47] <niston> for me, it brought oistrich.
[20:47] <niston> was very yummy, too.
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[20:47] <niston> I made an onion-garlic-cream sauce with it, with stripes of fresh basil
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[20:48] <niston> together with some pasta
[20:48] <niston> actually, even the garlic was fresh
[20:48] <repozitor> gordonDrogon, remember ADC interrupt come from outside of Processor, it comes from ADC IC
[20:48] <niston> none like the dried stuff you usually get in the supermarket
[20:49] <repozitor> gordonDrogon, how can i poll the interrupt bit? by pigpio?
[20:50] <niston> polling and interrupt?
[20:50] <niston> an*
[20:50] <niston> why would oyu do that? using an irq,m youd install an interrupt service routine, so you dont have to poll.
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[20:50] <repozitor> niston, can i do that in rasbperry pi model B?
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[20:51] <niston> what exactly are you trying to do?
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[20:51] <niston> the interrupt from the ADC, is it not a signal line ?
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[20:51] <niston> ie an output pin on the ADC?
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[20:52] <repozitor> i have ADC with 1MsPs, 16bit Resolution.
[20:52] <repozitor> when ADC conversion finish, an interrupt will occur on ADC interrupt line.
[20:52] <repozitor> when an interrupt occur, i need to store 16bit data on memory, for future process.
[20:53] <niston> ok so
[20:53] <niston> you need to hookup the ADC interrupt line to some GPIO port on the Pi
[20:53] <repozitor> yeah, exactly
[20:53] <niston> I think that you could use wiring pi to call a routine by whenever the pin in question changes state
[20:54] <niston> you could then check if the line is active and have it read from the ADC if it is.
[20:54] <repozitor> but gordonDrogon(wiringPi owner) told me it not as fast as 1MHz.
[20:54] <niston> ah
[20:55] <repozitor> any other solution?
[20:55] <niston> use an MCU infront of the pi
[20:55] <repozitor> niston, how?
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[20:55] <repozitor> i written many service routine for STmicrocontroller, ATMEGA, …
[20:56] <niston> what do you need the pi for ?
[20:56] <repozitor> but dunno how to do that in rasbperry pi
[20:56] <niston> I mean, other than data acquisition
[20:56] <repozitor> niston, what?
[20:57] <Bilby> niston o/
[20:57] <niston> Bilby hi :D
[20:57] <niston> repozitor: are you using the Pi for reasons of displaying the data that was acquired?
[20:57] <niston> or something other?
[20:58] <Berg> why dint Einstein wear socks?
[20:58] <repozitor> niston, yeah, i want to display ADC value and send it to network.
[20:58] <niston> ok so
[20:58] <niston> you might try something like this http://www.watterott.com/de/RPi-UNO-HAT
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[20:58] <niston> have the arduino handle the DAC and send data to Pi, while the Pi does displaying and sending to network
[20:58] <repozitor> i have only rasbperry pi 3 model B! just this!
[20:59] <repozitor> niston, hey i need just idea to write a program that read 16bit, and store them on emory.
[20:59] <repozitor> memory*
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[20:59] <niston> repozitor: but gordonDrogon said that the it might not be fast enough
[20:59] <niston> the IO might*
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[21:02] <Habbie> niston, but did you try?
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[21:10] <niston> Habbie: no.
[21:10] <Habbie> niston, ok
[21:10] <niston> you should ask repozitor anyways.
[21:10] <niston> hes the one wanting to do it :P
[21:11] <pwillard> If you don't mind not having real time data...
[21:11] <niston> but according to http://codeandlife.com/2012/07/03/benchmarking-raspberry-pi-gpio-speed/ things look not too bleak.
[21:12] <Habbie> niston, oops
[21:12] <niston> they say that wiringPi with C maxxes out at >4MHz GPIO
[21:12] <niston> so there you go repozitor, use wiringPi and C. it might just work fine then.
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[21:18] <niston> although even that site states "A good alternative is an independent add-on board with a microcontroller, such as Arduino or several other alternatives. Communicating over UART is simple with such devices."
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[21:19] <repozitor> niston, you say ADC should send 16bit to GPIO to UART, and we receive them on pi 3 B
[21:19] <repozitor> ?
[21:19] <niston> no
[21:19] <niston> well
[21:19] <niston> what interface does the ADC have?
[21:20] <niston> (apart from the interrupt line)
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[21:21] <repozitor> just GPIO
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[21:21] <niston> wwhat?
[21:21] <niston> post a datasheet
[21:21] <niston> please
[21:21] <repozitor> ADC located in external
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[21:22] <niston> wait, this is not a chip you're using but some kind of external device?
[21:23] <repozitor> yea, ADC is external.
[21:23] <repozitor> and ADC output 16bit are connected to rasbperry pi gpio lines.
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[21:25] <repozitor> this the most important question.
[21:25] <pwillard> I opted to attach stuff like that to an arduino... and let it do an conversions etc... and then have the info available for when the PI asked for it over usb-serial... so far so good.
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[21:28] <Berg> i have a analog to digital converter ADC on my pi i used http://blog.chrysocome.net/2012/12/i2c-analog-to-digital-converter.html
[21:29] <repozitor> Berg, i'm using Aanaloge device.
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[23:12] <gordonDrogon> repozitor, do you actually need 1e6 samples a second? what are you sampling?
[23:13] <repozitor> gordonDrogon, yeah i need, this is ADC output!
[23:13] <repozitor> ADC give me 16bit, at 1MHz speed.
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[23:14] <gordonDrogon> ok - but just because it can sample that fast, do you need to read it that fast?
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[23:14] <gordonDrogon> what is it that you're sampling?
[23:14] <repozitor> also ADC interupt line, help to capture true value of ADC.
[23:14] <repozitor> gordonDrogon, yeah i need. also in future i need 4MHz sampling!
[23:14] <gordonDrogon> ok
[23:14] <gordonDrogon> maybe the Pi isn't the right tool for the job...
[23:15] <repozitor> gordonDrogon, i have done it with C and direct register access.
[23:15] <repozitor> now i dunno how to check it's speed!
[23:15] <gordonDrogon> that's going to be the issue - speed is one thing, but latency/jitter is another.
[23:16] <repozitor> gordonDrogon, yeah you are right.
[23:16] <gordonDrogon> the linux kernel can stop your code running at any point...
[23:16] <repozitor> maybe i need to change ubuntu scheduling to be sure that process will be always on core0
[23:17] <gordonDrogon> other things that might get in the way is stuff like the dram memory refresh.
[23:17] <repozitor> gordonDrogon, is there exist any mechanism to avoid kernel stopping in pigpio or wiringpi?
[23:17] <mfa298> it sounds like the sort of thing whrere you might want to look at a RTOS rather than a normal linux distro.
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> as far as I'm aware, pigpio uses the PWM timers and DMA engines to accomplish its tasks - so when you get it to do something it should be imdependant of the CPU.
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> wiringPi is ordinary user-land code, so subject to the whims of the kernel, etc.
[23:19] <repozitor> gordonDrogon, i don't think so, pigpio also have a daemon, so kernel can stop it.
[23:20] <gordonDrogon> I think the daemon is just to enable communication between your code and the underlying code - if you exit a program without tidyung up the dma hardware then all sorts of bad stuff can happen. I think it tries to make sure that doesn't happen.
[23:22] <repozitor> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16382154/
[23:22] <gordonDrogon> yes - that's old - the original code posted.
[23:22] <repozitor> gordonDrogon, take a look on this link, and tell which one is better?
[23:22] <repozitor> this implementation or DMA implementation?
[23:23] <gordonDrogon> wiringPi is similar to that code.
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[23:23] <repozitor> really?
[23:23] <gordonDrogon> yes.
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[23:23] <gordonDrogon> why not look at its source?
[23:23] <gordonDrogon> cd ~ ; git clone git://git.drogon.net/wiringPi
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[23:23] <repozitor> i looked on minila_gpio and tiny_gpio
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[23:24] <repozitor> minimal*
[23:24] <gordonDrogon> the DMA style gpio access is different to the direct register access - each way has its good points and bad points.
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[23:24] <gordonDrogon> they accomplish similar things in different ways - it's up to you to choose which method you use.
[23:24] <repozitor> i don't like to use pigpio, because i need to write so simple and very fast and high performance. code.
[23:25] <repozitor> so can you tell me how to implement it with DMA?
[23:25] <gordonDrogon> the best way would be by studying the source code to pigpio ...
[23:25] <gordonDrogon> the published wiringPi doesn't use dma.
[23:25] <repozitor> ok, do you ever look at it?
[23:25] <gordonDrogon> pigpio? no.
[23:26] <repozitor> so any question will goes to null
[23:26] <repozitor> :d
[23:26] <gordonDrogon> unless its about wiringPi.
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[23:26] <repozitor> gordonDrogon, thanks you alot
[23:26] <gordonDrogon> if you want details on pigpio, you need to ask the person who wrote it, or others who use it ...
[23:26] <repozitor> thank*
[23:26] <repozitor> yeah
[23:29] <mlelstv> diphDav3
[23:29] <mlelstv> arglasd
[23:29] <mlelstv> 34
[23:30] <repozitor> what is the meaning of this?
[23:30] <repozitor> Simplest example of copying memory from one region to another using DMA ("Direct Memory Access") in userland
[23:30] <repozitor> gordonDrogon, it is written at
[23:30] <repozitor> https://github.com/Wallacoloo/Raspberry-Pi-DMA-Example
[23:30] <gordonDrogon> you might want to get the Broadcom ARM peripherals guide when looking at that stuff.
[23:31] <repozitor> there is no datasheet for BCM2837
[23:31] <gordonDrogon> there is a document which give you information about most of the gpio including the dma engines.
[23:31] <gordonDrogon> it's on the raspberrypi.org website.
[23:34] <repozitor> gordonDrogon, your library have interrup option, is that option works for 1M interrupt per second?
[23:34] <gordonDrogon> no.
[23:35] <gordonDrogon> when I last benchmarked it, it maxed out at about 66K interrupts/sec.
[23:35] <repozitor> hhm, that not really interrupt feature!!!! :D
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[23:36] <gordonDrogon> it's all done in userland. it's not a true interrupt in the low-level sense.
[23:36] <repozitor> yeah
[23:36] <gordonDrogon> if you want that, then you ought to write a Linux kernel module.
[23:36] <mfa298> repozitor: from some reading I did a while ago I think if you want interrupts in a similar way to a microcontroller you need to do it in the kernel
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[23:37] <repozitor> mfa298, i'm almost expert on ST devices. i have done it before.
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[23:38] <mfa298> from what I remember on the Pi userland interrupts are all based on watching a pseudo file in /sys
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[23:39] <repozitor> now i found that i can't use DMA
[23:39] <repozitor> because i can't check interrupt line logic
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[23:40] <mfa298> which means there's some latency and jitter involved. different schedulers might improve that a bit but you're still limited to the same interface and kernel
[23:40] <repozitor> when i want to store 16bit data, interrupt line should be high
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[23:41] <mfa298> my feeling (and I'm not an expert on this) is that if you want fast timing with low latency and jitter you probably either need to do some work in the kernel or you need an RTOS
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