#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2016-05-15

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[0:00] <ramkam2013> (and tried 4 times ... anyway, z it.)
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[0:52] <syeekick> Whats the news on the pi 2 decoding h.265 ?
[0:53] <Chillum> cpu only I think
[0:53] <Chillum> which means low res only
[0:54] <Chillum> unless something has changed and I did not hear
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[0:55] <binaryhermit> I think there's a version of kodi with hardware assist on h.265 floating around, but I'm not sure
[0:55] <binaryhermit> and he/she's gone anyway
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[0:56] <binaryhermit> but still, apparently it's still too slow for some higher-res stuff, though
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[0:57] <michael33> guys, i installed Jessie on my Rpi 1B but all i get is an empty desktop ?
[0:57] <michael33> when i rightclick on my mouse and click reconfigure it does nothing too
[0:57] <michael33> can anyone help?
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[0:59] <Neko`> hi
[0:59] <shiroininja> hello!
[1:00] <Neko`> i have a question, someone use berryboot ? i want to know if i can manually update boot files
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[1:10] <GRiZL0C> michael33 are you still there?
[1:11] <GRiZL0C> how did you install Jessie?
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[1:11] <GRiZL0C> on your Rpi 1B?
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[1:31] <ohnx> hi there! not sure if this is the right place to ask, but i'm having some issues with the SD card on my pi
[1:31] <Chillum> what kind of issues?
[1:31] <ohnx> the pi crashed (power outage) while running, and the sd card got corrupted
[1:31] <DoYouKnow> hi
[1:32] <DoYouKnow> I just got an orange pi pc, it's in the shed collecting data now :) :)
[1:32] <ohnx> i tried running fsck on the sd card, and it did some stuff
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[1:32] <DoYouKnow> I'm grabbing the data from an arduino over usb serial, all powered with a 50,000 mAh power pack
[1:32] <ohnx> but the pi still doesn't boot from it
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[1:33] <DoYouKnow> the orange pi PC use H3 cpu's
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[1:33] <GrandPa-G> I just did a fresh install of Jessie. I hook up an ethernet cable and it gets an ip ok. After a few minutes, noone can ping this from another machine. If I try a ifconfig, it takes minutes for some info and then hangs. No cpu % high. is this hardware issue?
[1:34] <ohnx> when i turn it on, the led just flashes green twice and that's it
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[1:36] <DoYouKnow> ohnx: have you verified your boot kernel image?
[1:36] <ohnx> uhh how?
[1:36] <DoYouKnow> well, you can replace it with a known-good one
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[1:37] <DoYouKnow> from the install image
[1:37] <ohnx> kk
[1:37] <ohnx> also on another note, when i plug in the sd card and ubuntu automounts it, the data partition shows as being blank
[1:37] <ohnx> is that a bad sign that I lost all the files on the ext4 partition when i tried to recover it?
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[1:39] <DoYouKnow> here is your error code: 2 flashes: The SD Card cannot be read.
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[1:39] <DoYouKnow> I didn't recognize it as first
[1:39] <DoYouKnow> but if true, it may mean it's corrupt
[1:40] <DoYouKnow> ugh. I don't like ext4
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[1:40] <ohnx> linux uses it c:
[1:40] <ohnx> what else do you propose?
[1:40] <ohnx> those modern file systems like brtfs?
[1:40] <DoYouKnow> I heard some really good things about the transaction logging in btrfs
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[1:42] <ohnx> eh i use ntfs, hfs+, ext3/4, and fat
[1:42] <DoYouKnow> I get all sorts of data loss and sync issues with ext4, but none on ntfs. I think btrfs implements some of that functionality
[1:42] <DoYouKnow> (that's in ntfs)
[1:43] <ohnx> cool just cpied over the stuff
[1:43] <ohnx> hope this works
[1:44] <ohnx> yay it didn't flash twice this time
[1:44] <DoYouKnow> I don't like ext4, but I still use it
[1:44] <ohnx> nothing happened though
[1:45] <ohnx> i think the actual fs got corrupted :(
[1:45] <ohnx> darn i had a lot of files on it
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[1:46] <DoYouKnow> what OS was it running?
[1:46] <ohnx> minibian
[1:47] <DoYouKnow> I'm running ubuntu + MATE on my orange pi pc
[1:47] <DoYouKnow> I just started using it
[1:47] <DoYouKnow> hope it works
[1:47] <ohnx> are orange pi's beter than pi 2s?
[1:48] <DoYouKnow> probably not, but I'm not sure
[1:48] <DoYouKnow> it works
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[1:48] <DoYouKnow> so far
[1:49] <DoYouKnow> I was able to load ubuntu+MATE, and add a script to the crontab to dump the ttyACM0 port to a file after setting the baud
[1:49] <ohnx> wew
[1:50] <ohnx> saved by notepad++/nppftp cache
[1:50] <DoYouKnow> where I connected the arduino
[1:50] <ohnx> i think most of the files i edited are still there :D
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[1:50] <Karlton> I think they turn journaling off on ext4 to save writes, but then you lose all your files on a hard reboot
[1:51] <ohnx> oh
[1:52] <ohnx> i anticipate my pi getting kicked off a lot
[1:52] <ohnx> is there a way to turn on journaling
[1:52] <ohnx> ?
[1:52] <Karlton> it's would defined in /etc/fstab I think
[1:52] <ohnx> kk
[1:53] <ohnx> what about the bootloaders?
[1:53] <ohnx> those seem to break as well
[1:53] <ohnx> that*
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[1:54] <Karlton> the rpi bootloader can only work on fat32 which doesn't have journaling ;)
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[1:54] <ohnx> mmkay
[1:54] <Karlton> but it's not often you need to write on the boot partition anyway
[1:55] <ohnx> the boot partition still seems to end up corrupted whenever the pi loses power
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[1:55] <pcmerc> rule one, create backups
[1:55] <pcmerc> :D
[1:55] <ohnx> true, especially when it's on an sd card
[1:55] <pcmerc> yup
[1:55] <ohnx> eh i was saved by nppftp cache this time
[1:56] <pcmerc> I'd move my / partition to a usb drive
[1:56] <pcmerc> & just use the sd for boot
[1:56] <ohnx> how?
[1:56] <pcmerc> lol
[1:56] <ohnx> eh i'll google it
[1:56] <pcmerc> come now, seriously?>
[1:56] <pcmerc> there ya go
[1:56] <pcmerc> :D
[1:56] <Karlton> become a Unix nerd :)
[1:57] <pcmerc> pays better than being just a windows nerd
[1:57] <pcmerc> ;)
[1:58] <Chillum> windoze nerds make only 78 cents on the dollar to linux nerds
[1:58] <Chillum> it is the "being a woman" of operating systems
[1:58] <Chillum> (no offence to the ladies)
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[1:59] <ohnx> what about not-any-os nerds? :D
[1:59] <ozzzy> operating systems are just plumbing... applications rule
[1:59] <Chillum> ohnx: ohh they use microcontrollers
[1:59] <Chillum> that is a whole other scene
[1:59] <ohnx> nah, i'm just terrible with all os's
[2:00] <Chillum> ah, I though perhaps you were a nerd of sufficient skill to not need an OS
[2:00] <ozzzy> the only time you need to worry about operating systems is when you're writing drivers etc.
[2:00] <ohnx> thanks, internet
[2:02] <ohnx> lol dd just copied a 1.9 GB/s
[2:02] <ohnx> to an sd card
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[2:03] <Chillum> not knowing what OS you are programming in is like not knowing what country you are driving in
[2:03] <Chillum> the car works the same, but your gunna have a bad time
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[2:04] <ohnx> yay finally!
[2:04] <ohnx> the pi is flashing
[2:05] <ohnx> can anyone recommend a lightweight desktop environment?
[2:06] <pcmerc> ssh
[2:06] <pcmerc> lol
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[2:06] <ohnx> hmm
[2:07] <ohnx> might end up installing windos on my pi 2
[2:07] <pcmerc> what a waste of a pi
[2:07] <pcmerc> lol
[2:07] <ohnx> is ther performance terrible?
[2:07] <pcmerc> it's windows what do you think?
[2:07] <pcmerc> :D
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[2:08] <ohnx> idk, windows works fine on a 4 core pc ;)
[2:10] <Karlton> it's windows IoT which is even less useful, except for being part of the botnet
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[2:11] <ohnx> gah i feel stupid now
[2:12] <ohnx> i bought this usb osciliscope onlineand it works pretty nicely with my pc
[2:12] <ohnx> and i thought i'd try it with my pi, except i forgot it's on arm, and the drivers only work on windos >.>
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[2:13] <pcmerc> its odd I have more money in my pocket since I quit gaming on pc & no longer use windows...weird shit man
[2:13] <ohnx> welp i
[2:13] <ohnx> 'm not smart enough to make the switch to linux
[2:13] <ohnx> and i don't game that often anyways
[2:13] <pcmerc> smart? eh it's all time
[2:14] <pcmerc> it helps if your learning to create projects
[2:14] <pcmerc> I spent alot of time pulling down everything on source forge & compiling it etc
[2:14] <pcmerc> lol
[2:14] <pcmerc> you learn alot of peoples broken code
[2:14] <GRiZL0C> i have a samsung laser printer and tried installing printer drivers only to find out they dont have arm based linux drivers for my printer booooooooo :S
[2:14] <pcmerc> rofl
[2:15] <ohnx> lol GRiZL0C, totally feel you
[2:15] <ohnx> there's this article about the osciliscope online where some guy managed to interface directly with it over serial
[2:15] <pcmerc> ya I try to stick to printers with a network interface
[2:15] <pcmerc> then you can cups it or something
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[2:18] <zerocoo1> hey all
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[2:38] <j12t> Does the Foundation case fit both version 3 and version 2, or just version 3?
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[2:50] <GRiZL0C> j12t the foundation red and white case fit both the Rpi 2 and 3
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[2:51] <j12t> Thanks. Was there some difference between the LED placement, and that works too? (I'm not sure there is a difference)
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[2:51] <methuzla> yes. leds moved. also wifi antenna and such.
[2:52] <zerocoo1> im just fighting with the rplay stuff
[2:52] <zerocoo1> turns out it spys on ya
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[2:52] <methuzla> someone spying on crash override?
[2:53] <zerocoo1> lol no
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[2:53] <zerocoo1> my iMac cant support a 3rd display so i wanted to turn the pi into an airplay reciever
[2:54] <j12t> zerocool: sounds cool, what software?
[2:54] <zerocoo1> rplay, but the developer invalidated all the keys
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[3:21] <GRiZL0C> any of you guys running kali linux on the Pi 3?
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[3:39] <GRiZL0C> damn i think I asked a wrong question...
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[3:42] <exonormal> oh?
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[3:42] <exonormal> why do you say that?
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[3:44] <GRiZL0C> if you scroll back a few lines i asked about if anyone is using kali linux on their Rpi 3 and all of a sudden is was dead silent
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[3:44] <GRiZL0C> it*
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[3:44] <methuzla> not anyone, just guys
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[3:45] <exonormal> yes, I see that.. this is a weekend and everyone has a life, not glued to this screen
[3:45] <GRiZL0C> i'm glued to my screen
[3:45] <GRiZL0C> can't help it :(
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[3:46] <exonormal> good... I am at the time being, but will log off when I go do things that matter
[3:47] <exonormal> if you want more info on Kali, I suggest you to to the raspberrypi.org site and look in the forums
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[3:48] <GRiZL0C> thnx exo go enjoy your weekend :)
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[3:49] <exonormal> you too, GRiZL0C
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[4:13] <Zardoz> hehy anyone OC the sdcard?
[4:14] <ShorTie> just the sdcard ??
[4:15] <Zardoz> yup
[4:15] <ShorTie> not that i know of, why ??
[4:15] <Zardoz> trying to find that page about it...
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[4:17] <Zardoz> cool found it
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[4:21] <ShorTie> got a link ??
[4:21] <Rukus> metoo
[4:21] <Rukus> j/k i didnt find it
[4:21] <Zardoz> http://www.jeffgeerling.com/blogs/jeff-geerling/raspberry-pi-microsd-card
[4:22] <Zardoz> http://www.pidramble.com/wiki/benchmarks/microsd-cards
[4:24] <Zardoz> wish me luck :P
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[4:51] <kristina> guess what
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[4:51] <kristina> i got ARM to boot up without blobs
[4:51] <kristina> :DDDD
[4:52] <Zardoz> sdcard now OC'ed
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[4:52] <kristina> http://crna.cc/VZXX2jQM3g3dNox
[4:52] <ball> kristina: On a Raspbery Pi? Using what OS?
[4:52] <kristina> i managed to start ARM from the VPU and have it write 3 to memory
[4:53] <kristina> read it back from the VPU
[4:53] <kristina> it is working
[4:53] <kristina> hooray
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[4:54] <Karlton> using freeblob?
[4:55] <kristina> no freeblob is vaporware
[4:55] <kristina> it was mine and herman's work mostly.
[4:55] <kristina> over the past few days
[4:55] <kristina> so yeah
[4:56] <kristina> got an open source bootcode.bin that can boot ARM coming soon
[4:56] <Karlton> nice
[4:56] <Zardoz> ShorTie: http://pastebin.com/x9g288vZ
[4:56] <kristina> gotta clean it up and add an SDHOST driver to load the next stage
[4:56] <kristina> atm it's a total mess
[4:57] <kristina> but yeah
[5:00] <kristina> tested on rpi2 too
[5:00] <kristina> seems to work
[5:00] <kristina> not tested peripheral io
[5:00] <kristina> only mapped one chunk just to write a dword from ARM side and see if i can pick it up on the VPU side
[5:00] <kristina> but it works
[5:01] <kristina> which means ARM cores are actually starting
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[5:25] <Zardoz> the new sdcard copy tool works great...
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[5:27] <roadHockeyKing> does anyone know how to achieve true transparency in jessi on the rPi3?
[5:27] <roadHockeyKing> in your terminal
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[5:28] <ball> roadHockeyKing: Wouldn't that just make it less legible?
[5:28] <Zardoz> roadHockeyKing: not yet... use to work....
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[5:29] <Zardoz> ball depends on % and backgound used.
[5:29] <roadHockeyKing> i was messing around in Kali and it works there but I can't seem to get it to work in raspbian. Is it because of the desktop thatis being used?
[5:30] <Zardoz> roadHockeyKing: not sure... I know it used to work, but it has stopped working for me... I just have not spent the time on it...
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[5:31] <roadHockeyKing> Zardoz: thanks. if i find an answer i'll come back and let you know
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[5:31] <Zardoz> roadHockeyKing: it might be that I am using zsh, but just not have looked at that option.
[5:32] <Zardoz> roadHockeyKing: that would be cool
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[5:32] <wtiger> Hi!
[5:32] <roadHockeyKing> what terminal where you using?
[5:32] <Zardoz> zsh
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[5:32] <Zardoz> oh LX
[5:33] <roadHockeyKing> ok, if i get it i'll let you know.
[5:33] <Zardoz> I am thinking it might be zsh or tmux.
[5:34] <Zardoz> at least for me
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[5:36] <Zardoz> roadHockeyKing: you running the 5/10 build of jessie?
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[5:38] <wtiger> I'm not able to boot my new raspberry pi 3.. the monitor says no input detected although I have noobs copied on the sdcard..
[5:39] <Zardoz> monitor set to HDMI?
[5:39] <Zardoz> did you see the square box
[5:39] <wtiger> how do I debug?
[5:39] <wtiger> Zardoz: yes, and no
[5:40] <Zardoz> wtiger: did you get the big square rainbow box
[5:40] <wtiger> no
[5:41] <Zardoz> Check you display setting on the display and see if set for HDMI
[5:41] <wtiger> it is..
[5:41] <Zardoz> ok.
[5:41] <Zardoz> what are the lights doing on the pi
[5:42] <wtiger> when I turn the power on, both red and green lights turn on, after which the green one goes off and red continues to glow..
[5:43] <Zardoz> ok..
[5:43] <Zardoz> what power supply you have?
[5:44] <wtiger> 5V/5A
[5:44] <Zardoz> well thats plenty
[5:44] <Zardoz> sounds like the SD card not imaged correct
[5:45] <wtiger> Zardoz: formatted it to fat32, then extracted the noobs zip on there..
[5:45] <Zardoz> you should get a rainbow box right at power on
[5:45] <Zardoz> yup nit imaged correct
[5:45] <Zardoz> you using windows?
[5:45] <wtiger> no, linux (mint)
[5:46] <Zardoz> I see. when you unzio you sould have an *.img file
[5:46] <Zardoz> you need to dd that img to the sdcard
[5:47] <wtiger> there are a lot of .img files(NOOBS)
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[5:47] <Zardoz> mmm sec
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[5:49] <Zardoz> wtiger: ah, man I am sorry noobs is different one sec
[5:49] <wtiger> np
[5:50] <Zardoz> is there a config.txt file there?
[5:50] <wtiger> no...
[5:50] <Zardoz> mmm
[5:52] <Zardoz> how big is the card?
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[5:53] <wtiger> Zardoz: 8Gig
[5:53] <GRiZL0C> hello everyone i'm back :)
[5:53] <Zardoz> try to make it FAT and not FAT32
[5:54] <wtiger> um ok
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[5:54] <Zardoz> just reading stuff :P
[5:54] <wtiger> ok :)
[5:54] <GRiZL0C> question: is running hexchat as root dangerous?
[5:54] <Zardoz> running anything as root is..
[5:55] <GRiZL0C> i'm trying a new os on my pi3
[5:56] <Zardoz> GRiZL0C: what OS
[5:56] <GRiZL0C> i'm a linux noob and i'm trying diffferent os's now i'm on kali linux and when starting hexchat it says running hexchat as root is dangerous
[5:57] <Zardoz> yeah
[5:57] <Zardoz> are you logged in as root?
[5:57] <GRiZL0C> yes
[5:57] <Zardoz> yeah you need to make user account.
[5:57] <Zardoz> and get out of root
[5:57] <GRiZL0C> how do i do that
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[5:58] <GRiZL0C> shoudl i google for it?
[5:58] <Zardoz> yeah
[5:59] <wtiger> Zardoz: via gparted, there's no option to format the disk to only 'fat'
[5:59] <Zardoz> mmmm
[5:59] <Zardoz> ok sec readding
[6:00] <Zardoz> wtiger: 200~http://qdosmsq.dunbar-it.co.uk/blog/2013/06/noobs-for-raspberry-pi/
[6:00] <Zardoz> take a look at that
[6:00] * [Saint] wonders how many serious breaches Raspi has inadvertently created by people going "Wooo! Linux!" and then letting hilariously badly configured machines touch the open web.
[6:00] <Zardoz> [Saint]: I know right
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[6:01] <Zardoz> and not chage the passward
[6:02] <Zardoz> password jezzz
[6:02] <Zardoz> w0rd
[6:02] <Hitechcg> I wonder how long until hackers add "pi" / "raspberry" to their automated SSH login scanning scripts
[6:03] <[Saint]> Hitechcg: try about 4 years ago
[6:03] <Zardoz> I already ha... they most like have
[6:03] <[Saint]> wtiger: you want fat32
[6:03] <Hitechcg> Also wonder how fast security vulns actually get patched on Raspbian
[6:03] <wtiger> ok..
[6:03] <Zardoz> [Saint]: will that work everthing shows FAT
[6:04] <Hitechcg> I honestly don't really trust Raspbian to get security vulns fixed quickly
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[6:04] <Zardoz> but hey
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[6:04] <Zardoz> and now they all hook up to wireless woop
[6:05] <[Saint]> Hitechcg: they propagate roughly 24h behind for the armv6 stuffs, the rest should be tracking mainline as I understand it.
[6:05] <Hitechcg> Or not
[6:05] <Hitechcg> Wasn't sure if it was automated or not
[6:05] <[Saint]> Doing this manually would be truly insane.
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[6:07] <[Saint]> I have a vague and anecdotal understanding of the process for the armv6 pi-stuffs.
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[6:08] <[Saint]> The images for the later Pi variants shouldn;t need much special handling at all by my understanind.
[6:08] <[Saint]> errr...spelling.
[6:08] <GRiZL0C> ok i'm back again
[6:08] <GRiZL0C> i am logged in with user account
[6:09] <Zardoz> yay
[6:09] <GRiZL0C> should be safe now?
[6:09] <[Saint]> lock your root password.
[6:09] <[Saint]> you have no use for it.
[6:09] <GRiZL0C> lock it how
[6:09] <[Saint]> add yourself to the sudoers group and lock that root password.
[6:09] <[Saint]> sudo passwd -l root
[6:10] <[Saint]> you should basically never, ever, ever have to be root.
[6:10] <Zardoz> yup
[6:10] <Hitechcg> https://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/2xumdy/raspberry_pi_webserver_just_got_hacked/
[6:10] <GRiZL0C> that's all i have to type? how do i add myself to the sudoers
[6:10] <Hitechcg> Although I'll admit
[6:10] <Hitechcg> When I set my Pi up as a server on Arch
[6:11] <Hitechcg> I made myself NOPASSWD
[6:11] * [Saint] suggests GRiZL0C use a more user friendly linux distribution until he is at the very least familiar with the very basics of operation
[6:11] <[Saint]> I mean that in the nicest possible way.
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[6:11] <[Saint]> But you're on a course to do something VERY stupid.
[6:11] <oq> yeah that's not nice at all
[6:12] <oq> be nice
[6:12] <[Saint]> Realism very rarely has room for niceties.
[6:12] <Zardoz> hey oq
[6:12] <oq> hi
[6:12] <GRiZL0C> tbh i used raspbian i hated it
[6:12] <GRiZL0C> ubuntu mate is okay
[6:13] <GRiZL0C> but kali is something i wanna mess with
[6:13] <[Saint]> All I'm saying is that if you're asking "How do I ...?" questions for very basic user management operations, you're gonna have a real bad time with a naked distribution that expects you to be able to manage it.
[6:14] <GRiZL0C> yep true
[6:14] <Hitechcg> [Saint]: Using Kali then just switching to another acct and locking root is rather stupid
[6:14] <[Saint]> Hitechcg: using root period is stupid.
[6:14] <Hitechcg> True, but Kali does it for a reason
[6:14] <[Saint]> Yes. because it expects you to set up the environment and then lock it.
[6:15] <wtiger> ....
[6:15] <Hitechcg> ...
[6:15] <[Saint]> Like every other minimal distribution.
[6:15] <Zardoz> ....
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[6:15] <wtiger> the screen is blinking now
[6:15] <Hitechcg> No
[6:15] <wtiger> i mean, turns on momentarily
[6:15] <Hitechcg> Kali is a distro for penetration testing
[6:15] <[Saint]> I am aware.
[6:15] <[Saint]> It DOES NOT NEED root for this.
[6:16] <Hitechcg> The reason you log in as root is because many tools need root
[6:16] <[Saint]> Period.
[6:16] <[Saint]> Those tools can acquire elevation through the user using the correct methods.
[6:16] <Hitechcg> Besides, https://xkcd.com/1200/
[6:16] <[Saint]> Saying "you need root" is an absolute fallacy.
[6:17] <[Saint]> You need those permissions...sure. You do not need to *be* root.
[6:17] <wtiger> between the flashes I can see a dialog box complaining that the memory card does not have an mbr partition..
[6:17] <Zardoz> I NEED GROOT
[6:17] <[Saint]> You never do.
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[6:17] <Hitechcg> Then say it would be annoying to have to constantly be messing with permissions issues
[6:17] <Zardoz> [Saint]: just joking :P
[6:18] <[Saint]> Because it is really hard to type your user password, right Hitechcg?
[6:18] <[Saint]> leaving the whole system open is totally worth that...
[6:18] <[Saint]> Yup.
[6:18] <Hitechcg> [Saint]: Mine is random and pretty complex
[6:18] <[Saint]> That's your problem. Not mine.
[6:19] <[Saint]> Remove the password request for your user if you must.
[6:19] <GRiZL0C> you wanna know why i loved kali, the minute i saw that xscreensaver is installed ootb and its the latest version without the annoying "you have a very old version" popup error
[6:19] <wtiger> [Saint], Zardoz I reformatted the card to fat32, extracted noobs-lite to it, and now the 'no input detected' is gone..
[6:19] <[Saint]> make yourself a NOPASS sudoer.
[6:19] <[Saint]> Easy.
[6:19] <Hitechcg> GRiZL0C: LOL
[6:19] <[Saint]> Just don;t ever claim you need to be root.
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[6:20] <Hitechcg> [Saint]: The issue is that if you're pentesting, getting "run it as root" messages constantly will be annoyinh
[6:20] <Zardoz> lol
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[6:20] <[Saint]> If you are a pentester I hope like Hell you're not idiotic enough to set up a machine the way you want to.
[6:21] <[Saint]> I have no problems saying that. It is idiotic.
[6:21] <GRiZL0C> i'm no hacker or anything i just want something new and would love to learn linux but raspbian is just uggggggghh
[6:21] <GRiZL0C> i wish i knew linux more than windows
[6:22] <[Saint]> Baby steps. You're jumping off the high dive without your floaties on.
[6:22] <Zardoz> haha
[6:22] <GRiZL0C> lol
[6:23] <Hitechcg> [Saint]: I agree with you, running as root is dangerous, I never run as root, but on Kali there's a reason,
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[6:23] <oq> [Saint]: diving with floaties is going to hurt...
[6:23] <[Saint]> I assure you you are entirely wrong and that absolutely none of the Kali suite requires the user to actually *be* root.
[6:23] <Hitechcg> ^
[6:23] <Hitechcg> [Saint]: Convenience
[6:24] <Hitechcg> Not that it's required
[6:24] <wtiger> if you guys are done discussing the merits and demerits of root etc... there's a noob who needs help here :/
[6:24] <[Saint]> Hitechcg: As I said, make your user a NOPASS sodoer.
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[6:24] <[Saint]> That's still idiotic but it at least sets up some SEL traps.
[6:24] <Hitechcg> [Saint]: SEL?
[6:24] <Hitechcg> I don't think Kali runs with SELinux
[6:25] <Hitechcg> If that's what you meant
[6:25] <Zardoz> wtiger: is there a mbr partition on that?
[6:25] <[Saint]> I'm talking about the wider sphere, not Kali specifically.
[6:25] <[Saint]> There's no point in addressing Kali specifically.
[6:25] <Hitechcg> [Saint]: I'm talking about Kali specifically, not the wider sphere
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[6:25] <[Saint]> The idea of it as a distro is kinda weird when it exists as a user metapackage.
[6:25] <wtiger> Zardoz: don't know, formatted it to fat32 and extracted noobs on it
[6:25] <wtiger> *to
[6:26] <[Saint]> One can add the Kali suite to anything.
[6:26] <Hitechcg> However, GRiZL0C: If you're just testing distros and not pentesting, I would probably make a new user
[6:26] <Zardoz> getting closer, but
[6:26] <[Saint]> "Kali Linux" isn't really a thing, in and of itself.
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[6:27] <Hitechcg> [Saint]: The idea is that it's all set up for you
[6:27] <[Saint]> It's just a big bunch of packages available entirely without it.
[6:27] <[Saint]> Any distro can be a "kali linux" wannabe.
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[6:27] <Hitechcg> Clearly you must have a lot of free time on your hands
[6:27] <Hitechcg> I believe there's Black Arch, too
[6:27] <GRiZL0C> i just wanna use my raspberry pi as a irc client and use nmap but that's it i'm not gonna hack or penetrate someones machine i know very well thats same as breaking the law
[6:28] <[Saint]> Why would I bring in 400 packages when I know what I need?
[6:28] <[Saint]> I very sincerely doubt any dedicated penetration testers do.
[6:28] <[Saint]> Kali seems to be for people to pretend to play pentester if you ask me.
[6:29] <Hitechcg> GRiZL0C: Penetration testing is where you get permission
[6:29] <Hitechcg> Also, nmap doesn't need root usually
[6:30] <[Saint]> Permission doesn't necessarily make it legal.
[6:30] <[Saint]> It's a grey area.
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[6:30] <Hitechcg> [Saint]: I do agree with that last point: <[Saint]> Kali seems to be for people to pretend to play pentester if you ask me.
[6:30] <[Saint]> Also - penetrate your own hardware. That's way more fun.
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[6:30] <Hitechcg> not really
[6:31] <[Saint]> You know you're smarter than other people. Seeing if you can outsmart yourself is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more fun.
[6:31] <[Saint]> And legal.
[6:31] <Hitechcg> Only way I can think of to do that for my boxes is a zeroday
[6:32] <[Saint]> Hitechcg: well, I'll agree to disagree. You also put forward an argument that root is necessary, so, I doubt we'll come to any agreement.
[6:32] <wtiger> Zardoz: but?
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[6:32] <Hitechcg> [Saint]: I DIDN'T SAY root was necessary
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[6:32] <Zardoz> wtiger: it's not booting fully
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[6:32] <Hitechcg> I said that the tools need to run as root. I said Kali logs in a root for convenience.
[6:33] <Zardoz> wtiger: it tryed
[6:33] <wtiger> haha
[6:33] <[Saint]> Also, regarding the url supplied earlier, I really don't think that "user entirely forgets about unsecured SSH with default user and pass" getting compromised really counts as being hacked.
[6:33] <[Saint]> May as well leave the door open.
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[6:33] <Zardoz> it's complaning about the partition from what it sounds like.
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[6:33] <wtiger> umm ok
[6:33] <[Saint]> Hitechcg: but the whole "need to run as root" thing is a fallacy.
[6:33] <plum> hi
[6:34] <Hitechcg> <Hitechcg> [Saint]: I DIDN'T SAY root was necessary
[6:34] <Zardoz> plum: hi
[6:34] <plum> how’s it going?
[6:34] <[Saint]> "I said that the tools need to run as root."
[6:34] <Zardoz> plum: it goes
[6:34] <[Saint]> They do not.
[6:34] <plum> :)
[6:34] <[Saint]> COnversation ends there really.
[6:35] <Zardoz> plum: testing an sdcard overclock right now...
[6:35] <plum> oooh nice
[6:35] <Zardoz> plum: I got a 32GB pro card for $13, so messing with it.
[6:36] <Hitechcg> [Saint]: htcg@htcg-tp11e ~ $ airmon-ng
[6:36] <Hitechcg> Run it as root
[6:36] <Hitechcg> It looks like it needs root to me
[6:36] <plum> that is an amazing price
[6:36] <plum> where at?
[6:36] <Hitechcg> SD or microSD?
[6:36] <Zardoz> plum: it seems the random read/write is a bit slower then the evo+
[6:36] <Zardoz> plum: micro
[6:37] <[Saint]> Hitechcg: it does not. You're confusing "being root" with "run as root/user allows elevated privileges"
[6:37] <[Saint]> this is precisely why sudo exists.
[6:37] <Zardoz> plum: it's close to the evo+ but not realy any better.
[6:38] <Hitechcg> [Saint]: Does it really matter
[6:38] <[Saint]> Absolutely.
[6:38] <Zardoz> plum: it does get some better large file trasfers better.
[6:38] <plum> i see i see
[6:38] <[Saint]> If you don;t know why it matters why on Earth are you arguing it?
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[6:39] <[Saint]> Geez.
[6:39] <Zardoz> I am going to use it in this system, for now...
[6:40] <Zardoz> plum: I do what to tey some cpu OC this weekend.
[6:40] <plum> what do you use to test the speed Zardoz ?
[6:40] <GRiZL0C> you guys in the states have so much cheaper currency we down here pay everything in euro you wanna know what i paid for my raspberry pi3? the board alone costs 41 euros thats $46
[6:40] <[Saint]> Lol - did you just have a stroke Zardoz?
[6:40] <oq> hey remember when overclocking voided the warranty on raspberry pis?
[6:40] <oq> fun times
[6:40] <GRiZL0C> 35$ is the normal price
[6:40] <ball> GRiZL0C: Everything except for healthcare, possibly.
[6:41] <[Saint]> GRiZL0C: it is still relative.
[6:41] <plum> wait the pi never had warranty though i thought?
[6:41] <Zardoz> hdparm, iozone and dd
[6:41] <[Saint]> plum: sure it does.
[6:41] <plum> oh interesting
[6:41] <plum> never had any die on me though so far
[6:41] <oq> plum: I don't think it would be legal in the uk if it didn't
[6:42] <plum> gotcha
[6:42] <[Saint]> most of the modern developed world, in fact.
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[6:42] <Zardoz> plum: http://pastebin.com/x9g288vZ
[6:44] <oq> Zardoz: is that the stock sd speed?
[6:44] <Zardoz> no thats oc
[6:45] <oq> does yours over get corrupted?
[6:45] <Zardoz> not yet
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[6:45] <Zardoz> it's at ~80Mhz
[6:46] <Zardoz> some people push it over 100Mhz
[6:46] <Zardoz> I mostlike can, but I am using my floties
[6:47] <wtiger> Zardoz: if I were to write the raspbian image on the sd card, what will I have to format it to? fat32 or ext4?
[6:47] <wtiger> (using dd)
[6:47] <[Saint]> You don't.
[6:47] <Zardoz> wtiger: the img?
[6:47] <wtiger> Zardoz: yeah
[6:47] <Zardoz> you just dd it
[6:47] <[Saint]> dd'ing the image to it _is_ formatting it.
[6:47] <Zardoz> it will overwrite
[6:48] <wtiger> ah..
[6:48] <wtiger> still no success booting up...
[6:48] <oq> wtiger: when you write the image several partitions get made with different file systems
[6:48] <Zardoz> oq he was trying noobs
[6:48] <oq> oh
[6:48] <Zardoz> I dont use noobs myslef
[6:48] <oq> I've never touched it
[6:49] <Zardoz> I just use the jessie or lite.
[6:49] <Zardoz> or what ever img....
[6:50] <wtiger> Zardoz: dd'd raspbian lite onto the card.. "no input detected" again.. but the green led is blinking..
[6:50] <Zardoz> did you unmount the card before dd
[6:50] <wtiger> i never mounted the card in the first place I think..
[6:51] <Zardoz> ok, and check the boot/ for a config.txt
[6:51] <wtiger> ok
[6:51] <Zardoz> force HDMI
[6:52] <Zardoz> thinkit's like the firat line in that txt file
[6:53] <Zardoz> well aget some of the comments
[6:54] <wtiger> Zardoz: do I uncomment the hdmi_force_hotplug=1
[6:54] <Zardoz> yeah
[6:54] <wtiger> ok
[6:54] <wtiger> trying to boot again
[6:54] <Zardoz> k
[6:55] <Zardoz> you getting the rainbow box at least>?
[6:55] <wtiger> just a sec
[6:56] <wtiger> 'no cable connected'
[6:56] <wtiger> green led is blinking though
[6:56] <Zardoz> mmm
[6:57] <[Saint]> http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Green_LED_blinks_in_a_specific_pattern
[6:57] <[Saint]> et voila.
[6:58] <oq> "9 flashes in an SOS pattern, pi has become sentient, reformat the sd"
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[6:58] <[Saint]> Ha!
[6:59] <Zardoz> lol
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[6:59] <wtiger> the green led is blinking continously..
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[7:02] <wtiger> am I correct in assuming the pi is faulty?
[7:03] <Zardoz> I would not think so, but I am not sure what the peoblem is.
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[7:04] <Zardoz> just asking what img are you using?
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[7:05] <wtiger> raspbian lite.img downloaded from raspberrypi.org
[7:06] <oq> you know the lite is just cli right?
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[7:06] <wtiger> yeah
[7:08] <Zardoz> ok, so are you getting any color box right when you plug in?
[7:10] <wtiger> no
[7:10] <Zardoz> ok, so it's not booting or not displaying.
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[7:15] <CyberTails> Hi There, I'm trying to convert an Image for NOOBS installation and on the part for where it asks for Partition sizes, how do I calculate that on Windows?
[7:16] <Zardoz> dont think it matters, you can resize it in noobs
[7:17] <CyberTails> Oh okay
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[7:17] <Zardoz> just make it 4GB or higher
[7:17] <oq> Zardoz: I think the latest version of raspbian autoexpands it too
[7:17] <CyberTails> Cause I'm trying to convert RetroPie to add it into my NOOBS setup :)
[7:17] <Zardoz> oq: IT DOES
[7:17] <Zardoz> sorry
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[7:20] <wtiger> Zardoz: sorry, there was a network issue
[7:20] <wtiger> yeah, the pi is not booting/displaying..
[7:20] <Zardoz> try this
[7:21] <Zardoz> unplug HDMI from pi, power on wait 5 secs then plug in the hdmi
[7:21] <wtiger> ok
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[7:25] <Zardoz> wtiger: it just sounds like an image problem, just not on the SD card right. I have had that before here the green light just keeps blinking.
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[7:29] <wtiger> ok
[7:30] <Zardoz> wtiger: dont know what to say...
[7:30] <Zardoz> do you have another sd card?
[7:30] <wtiger> not working ..
[7:30] <wtiger> no...
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[7:31] * wtiger never thought setting up the pi would be such a
[7:31] <Zardoz> you might check some of the other hdmi stuff in the config.txt
[7:31] <wtiger> PITA
[7:31] <wtiger> ..
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[7:32] <Zardoz> I know that can be a problem at times.
[7:32] <Zardoz> ..
[7:32] <wtiger> problem? think the pi has corrupted one of my sd cards which stopped working altogether..
[7:33] <wtiger> and this is the second one.. but haven't once booted..
[7:33] <wtiger> anyhow, thanks for your help..
[7:34] <Zardoz> wtiger: sorry man.
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[7:34] <wtiger> Zardoz: not your fault buddy
[7:34] <Zardoz> wtiger: take a brake from it.
[7:34] <oq> break
[7:35] <Zardoz> you been working hard on it for sometime now...
[7:35] <wtiger> Zardoz: to tell you the truth, it's been two weeks since I got my pi, no results whatsoever
[7:35] <Zardoz> oh man.,
[7:35] <Zardoz> oq :P
[7:36] <Zardoz> wtiger: where did you get it from
[7:36] <wtiger> amazon.in
[7:36] <jrg> anybody here using pam_mount with cifs to mount home dirs?
[7:36] <jrg> or any other dirs in raspbian?
[7:36] <jrg> i can't seem to figure out how to get the mount to pull proper GIDs
[7:36] <Zardoz> you try contacting the vender?
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[7:37] <wtiger> sure, doing that now..
[7:37] <wtiger> Zardoz: thanks again, adios!
[7:37] <Zardoz> was it canakit by any chance?
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[7:37] <Zardoz> doh
[7:37] <Zardoz> :(
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[7:59] <ricksl> so whats the skinny on that pi3 gpio serial bug? I've seen a handful of solutions but i wanted to see how you guys weighed in on it.
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[8:14] <machrider> random python question: in python 3, do people still use the 'requests' library for http requests or is there a more native (stdlib) thing that replaces it?
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[8:31] <jrg> i swear if i didn't know better it almost looks like forceuid/forcegid is hardcoded into mount.cifs for raspbian or something
[8:31] <jrg> seems like there is no way to turn it off
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[8:41] <[Saint]> This might seem like a really weird question, and, it is:
[8:42] <[Saint]> Do you guys ever get it in your locale ehere the sky seems to make a MASSIVE noise that sounds like steel on steel stress?
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[8:42] <stiv> machrider, requests module rocks like sox in a box
[8:43] <[Saint]> I've heard it here about three times in the past 3 or 4 years, and then everyone comes out of their houses, looks up at the sky, says "shit that was weird" and promptly forgets about it.
[8:43] <machrider> stiv: thanks :)
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[8:46] <ricksl> well there was an airshow near me earlier, but other than that
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[8:46] <jrg> [Saint]: http://cdn4.miragestudio7.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/ancient-aliens-guy.jpg
[8:46] <stiv> blender3d bundles requests as part of it's embedded python
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[8:46] <[Saint]> I'm by no means "one of those" guys, but, there is something deeply unsettling about it.
[8:47] <[Saint]> It's so damn loud.
[8:47] <jrg> [Saint]: maybe someone sideswiped the ISS
[8:47] <[Saint]> Like, what even makes a noise that loud without someone being able to go "Oh, it's that, this is what it is - it was me, sorry!"
[8:48] <[Saint]> A while ago when I heard it the second time here, I went looking for other people who heard, or better, recorded it.
[8:48] <[Saint]> This did not put me at ease.
[8:48] <[Saint]> I'd be happier if no one did.
[8:48] <[Saint]> ...I think.
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[8:48] <[Saint]> the majority of people seem to call them "sky quakes", to the Googles tell me.
[8:49] <[Saint]> There's very little doubt in my mind that it is the same noise, and I'm not sure if that makes it better or worse.
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[8:49] <[Saint]> My entire neighborhood was just out in the street looking up at the sky. Surreal.
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[8:51] <Berg> in au7stralia we call it thunder ...move aLONG nothing to see here
[8:51] <sponge-tmp> [Saint]: I heard about that phenomenom too. But never heard it myself
[8:51] <[Saint]> https://www.youtube.com/v/ULjVkQvsBn4
[8:51] <[Saint]> excuse the wacko YT channel.
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[8:51] <[Saint]> ...but, tell me that isn't very highly disturbing.
[8:52] <[Saint]> not in an ominous way, well not to me personally.
[8:52] <[Saint]> In a "what in the ..." kinda way.
[8:52] <Berg> fish oil
[8:52] <jrg> lol
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[8:53] <jrg> [Saint]: sounds like typical crab people to me
[8:53] <Berg> the guy who posted the vid loves you all
[8:53] <[Saint]> It made all the glass rattle in my windows.
[8:53] <[Saint]> Scared the almighty crap out of the cats.
[8:53] <Berg> swamp gass?
[8:54] <[Saint]> At around ~8:10 is the closest to the sound I heard.
[8:54] <[Saint]> about 30~45s duration.
[8:54] <jrg> [Saint]: well.. in chicago we wouldn't notice it over the gunfire
[8:54] <[Saint]> Haha!
[8:55] <[Saint]> It sounds like metal on metal.
[8:55] <Berg> we hear your gun fire from here too
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[8:55] <Berg> my raspberry pi 3 b is on its way
[8:55] <Berg> dont shoot down the plane
[8:57] <ricksl> damn, new firmware update for rpi3 causes it to not boot
[8:58] <jrg> can you just take an SD from a pi1 and put it in a pi3?
[8:59] <[Saint]> No.
[9:00] <ricksl> scratch that, for some reason the new firmware just makes the serial console not work. rip
[9:00] <jrg> [Saint]: oh. has a different fw or something?
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[9:08] <jrg> hm. wonder if someone sells a multiple sd reader that can fit in a usb port or two on a pi3
[9:08] <jrg> so i could run zfs on it
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[9:15] <Hitechcg> What ever happened to Model A Pis::
[9:16] <Hitechcg> Are there going to be any new Pi Model As?
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[9:21] <oq> Hitechcg: they did bump up the ram iirc
[9:22] <Hitechcg> oq: On what?
[9:22] <oq> on the A
[9:23] <Hitechcg> I meant if there would be a Raspberry Pi {2,3} coming out
[9:23] <Hitechcg> Raspberry Pi {2,3} model A
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[9:27] <ricksl> i am wondering how much of a market there even is for the A, the only thing it has over the zero is that it can connect to a display or camera
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[9:28] <binaryhermit> they'd have to bump the CPU to justify it, IMO
[9:28] <binaryhermit> then again, the 2 is allegedly still in production
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[9:28] <ricksl> if you're using the display then its probably not on a battery, so there is no reason to use it over a pi3.
[9:28] <binaryhermit> that's a head-scratcher IMO
[9:28] <Berg> can the zero do vnc connection?
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[9:29] <Berg> Im soon to be proud owner of a pi3 B
[9:29] <ricksl> the only thing i can think of is like, maybe a timelapse battery operated camera.
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[9:54] <hid3> Hello everyone. Is Rpi3 GPIO 40 pin connector backwards compatible with Rpi2 26 pin connector? I mean, are those first 26 pins having the same pinout/function as in Rpi2?
[9:55] <ShorTie> ya
[9:57] <hid3> Great. Will start saving money for this. As seems the expense is not the board alone, but also the card and a new case is something what is needed at first glance
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[9:59] <mlelstv> Rpi1 is 26pin, RPi1 B+ and Rpi2 are already 40pin
[9:59] <ShorTie> get a good quality micro-usb power cable
[9:59] <binaryhermit> rpi2 and rpi b+ have 40
[9:59] <ShorTie> more important then a case, imho
[10:00] <Berg> and we will rule the world pinky
[10:00] <binaryhermit> err, I missed what mlelstv said better than I did
[10:00] <hid3> Pardon, must have confused between all those versions. Mine is one with 26 pin, 512 mb ram and networking
[10:00] <binaryhermit> that's a 1b
[10:00] <mlelstv> that's a Rpi1 B then
[10:00] <hid3> Also, seems a very rare 5v 2.5A PSU is required for Rpi3
[10:00] <hid3> this makes any aftermaket PSUs not fit it...
[10:00] <mlelstv> that depends
[10:01] <ShorTie> amps depends on what usb stuff you want to connect
[10:01] <hid3> Only external HDD
[10:01] <hid3> which has got its own supply
[10:01] <hid3> and of course the relay board to the GPIO
[10:01] <mlelstv> the Rpi3 itself maybe needs 0.8A worst case.
[10:01] <mlelstv> on average less
[10:01] <hid3> all of this runs my with my current Pi off a 2.0 A PSU
[10:02] <ShorTie> 2amp most likely ok, if buying get a 5.1v or better 5.2v supply
[10:02] <hid3> What abou Rpi1 B? Does it use more or less?
[10:02] <mlelstv> a little less
[10:02] <mlelstv> the Rpi2 is most efficient.
[10:02] <hid3> well, 5.1 and 5.2 are quite rare. Unless you open up the case and do some modifications. E.g. solder in a resistor to trick the PSU's controller in order to output higher voltage
[10:03] <ShorTie> na, ebay has them
[10:03] <hid3> in China?
[10:03] <hid3> It will take months before I get that stuff
[10:03] <hid3> and if it's from China, means I need to buy at least 3 of them (quality/reliability issues)
[10:04] <ShorTie> na
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[10:06] <ShorTie> you should be able to get local, notebooks and some phones use the higher voltage/amperage 1's
[10:06] <hid3> yeah, but I doubt it will cost cheaper than buying the right PSU
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[10:06] <ShorTie> but don't forget a good quality cable, cheap phone 1's don't work very good
[10:06] <hid3> currently the PSU costs 11 EUR + VAT here
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[10:08] <hid3> well, honestly I'm not in a hurry. The current Pi is sitting at my GF's work doing some simple functions. I just understand that eventually it will need to get replaced so looking around what's out there right now. In this case, I'll be on track if needed
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[12:32] <ThePendulum> 'lo
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[12:32] <ShorTie> `hi
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[12:42] <k_j> i want to drive some servo motors with the rpi, conceptually it's not hard, i mean i can read and draw the schematics. the problem is material, where can i find a chassis where to stabilize the rpi, also having the clips for the batteries, all the required plastic to assemble the electronic components and make the whole thing stable?
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[12:43] <exonormal> ok I will look for the links for you.
[12:43] <k_j> exonormal, thx
[12:45] <mfa298> if you want to make custom chasis for mounting things it sounds like the sort of job where you want access to a 3d printer.
[12:45] <k_j> mreznik, that is a possibility i thought of, but the problem is , how much does a 3d printer cost?
[12:45] <mfa298> for the electronics side I'm sure there are existing boards to do the interfacing, or if you want to do it all your self there are prototyping boards you can use.
[12:46] <mfa298> the cheapest option for 3D printing would be to find a friend that has one or a local maker/hack space
[12:46] <k_j> yeah
[12:47] <k_j> but not easy if the printer is not yours
[12:47] <k_j> i mean, you will surely have to make a lot of attempts
[12:48] <mfa298> depends on how good your design skills are.
[12:48] <k_j> basically 0
[12:49] <mfa298> but maker/hack spaces are likely to have people with experience that may well help with some of it
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[12:50] <mfa298> the other options for making chassis are Laser cuters (cutting shapes out of sheets of acrylic/ wood) and CNC which cuts 3d shapes out of wood/metal
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[13:01] <exonormal> brb gotta switch puters
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[13:04] <abnormal> ok back, still searching.. hopefully the searching will be faster
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[13:10] <abnormal> ok, in here there are breif examples of what you can do, k_j, you need to browse through and look for examples close to what you really want to accomplish, if you see an idea, click on it and that will take you to the site.
[13:11] <k_j> abnormal, ok
[13:11] <abnormal> http://www.instructables.com/id/Raspberry-Pi-Projects
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[13:12] <abnormal> there is so much out there, it's hard for me to get what you are looking for.
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[13:14] <k_j> abnormal, i need a block consisting of two stepper motors (working together) allowing me to rotate some plastic freely in the space around a fixed point
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[13:15] <k_j> on motor for right-left and another motor for up-down
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[13:17] <abnormal> ada. comfruit
[13:17] <abnormal> adafruit.com
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[13:21] <abnormal> hackaday.com
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[13:31] <abnormal> k_j: one suggestion, print out what items you see that interest you and lay the prints out on a table or big floor space and look at them, pick and choose what you want, like, "I want this, that, these", there are so many kits and ideas out there it is phenominal. it will take time.. nothing is instaneous.
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[13:38] <abnormal> you may take time to go to a hardware store and look around for materials, like Lexan, plasitcs, standoffs, screws, paints, etc, you don't have to buy right away, just browse around and give yourself ideas to fill out your notebook to put the peices together of what you want to accomplish.
[13:39] <abnormal> 3-D printers are expensive. I don't have one and have no need for one.
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[13:47] <abnormal> a lot of the cheap printers leave un-smooth surfaces. the most expensive ones give a good finnished product. feeding the printer with multi-colored materials is expensive.
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[15:01] <michael33> guys, i installed Jessie on my Rpi 1B but all i get is an empty desktop ?
[15:01] <michael33> when i rightclick on my mouse and click reconfigure it does nothing too
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[15:04] <abnormal> re-image, re-install... something went awry while first attempt happened.
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[15:06] <michael33> how can i re-image? i downloaded the image from official raspbian site
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[15:07] <abnormal> ok how did you image the SD card first time?
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[15:13] <kristina> anyone got an rpi1 with working jtag?
[15:14] <kristina> i could solder a header to mine and figure out the pinout on jlink and connect it but i'm lazy.
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[15:15] <kristina> i made a VPU firmware capable of booting ARM, it works on pi2 but not pi1 (on pi1 arm starts but hangs shortly after). it would help a lot of if someone with jtag could see what the arm core is actually doing.
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[15:19] <michael33> abnormal: using image write
[15:19] <michael33> i tried it with my laptop and pc
[15:20] <michael33> w32 disk imager
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[15:21] <abnormal> ok..
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[15:21] <abnormal> that's good imager..
[15:22] <abnormal> it's best to use NOOBS and then install from that... almost fool proof
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[15:31] <ThePendulum> hmm, dd has been working consistently for me
[15:35] <michael33> im redownloading the image, will try and do it again, if not, what is n00bs?
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[15:36] <abnormal> noobs is an image on the pi site that has most common OS's on it, when it boots, it asks you which OS you want to install and will install it for you.
[15:37] <Chunkyz> 'elo
[15:37] <michael33> ohh thats nice
[15:40] <abnormal> yes, I have used it and is nice.. if it becomes bricked, you can recover it
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[15:46] <jrg> oh. pi3 uses a microsd now huh?
[15:47] <Chunkyz> jrg, indeed. like the pi 2.
[15:47] <jrg> too bad it doesn't have a gbit lan yet
[15:47] <jrg> Chunkyz: yah i never thought to get a pi2
[15:47] <jrg> i was thinking about a 3 tho... but i wish it had gbit
[15:48] <Chunkyz> 100mbps is fine/
[15:48] <jrg> Chunkyz: i'm using a pi1 as a shell box. the 100mbit is kind of a pain for some things
[15:48] <binaryhermit> and actually IIRC the B+ had uSD as well
[15:48] <jrg> especially since cp doesn't do server side copy in linux :/
[15:49] <binaryhermit> 100 mbit would be fine if it didn't share the usb bus
[15:49] <binaryhermit> I get 10-20 mbit due to that
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[15:49] <jrg> well hopefully the pi4 gets a real lan controller
[15:50] <jrg> surprised they didn't do that first before the built-in wifi
[15:50] * binaryhermit somehow doubts there will be a pi4 anytime soon
[15:50] <jrg> binaryhermit: it doesn't have to be soon heh
[15:50] <jrg> 2 SD slots would be great too
[15:50] <jrg> zfs mirror the drives
[15:50] <binaryhermit> since the VC4 architecture's probably gone as far as it can go by just bloting stuff on and there's no VC5
[15:50] <binaryhermit> *bolting
[15:51] <mfa298> there are alternative boards if you really need GigE, but I suspect for most people 10/100 is good enough
[15:51] <jrg> mfa298: what's a decent high end board with a decent linux distro?
[15:52] <jrg> raspbian isn't too bad. i've been using it on this pi for a couple of weeks now. it's just a shame the older pi1 doesn't have much power.
[15:52] <jrg> i'd still love to figure out how the hell i can do a server side copy in linux for cifs shares
[15:53] <mfa298> there's something released recently that had GigE, not sure what it was though
[15:53] <mfa298> and I think some of the BananaPis have done GigE, although there might be other downsides to them
[15:54] <jrg> https://www.embeddedarm.com/products/board-detail.php?product=ts-7800
[15:54] <Zardoz> howdy
[15:54] <jrg> something like that?
[15:54] <mfa298> log into the server and do the copy there :p
[15:55] <jrg> mfa298: lol
[15:55] <binaryhermit> my pi3 just sorta locked up
[15:55] <jrg> that isn't too practical
[15:55] <binaryhermit> it's not completely dead though
[15:55] <jrg> that TS-7800 has gbit but the rest is garbage
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[15:56] <binaryhermit> the odroid c series has gbe I believe
[15:56] <jrg> According to Lemaker team's Malicious acts of trademark registration, We have formally challenged by the relevant legal process and called for the repeal.
[15:56] <jrg> wth? lol
[15:56] <binaryhermit> or at least 10/100 with its own bus
[15:56] <binaryhermit> jrg: wha?
[15:57] <jrg> binaryhermit: that's on bananapi.org
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[15:59] <GRiZL0C> hey guys i dont have sound in kali linux all i have as sound output device is something called dummy output is there anything i should install?
[15:59] <GRiZL0C> on raspberry pi3?
[16:00] <GRiZL0C> i want sound through hdmi
[16:00] <Zardoz> GRiZL0C: still working on that ksli :P
[16:00] <Zardoz> kali*
[16:00] <GRiZL0C> zardoz yeah im trying to make it work
[16:00] <Zardoz> are you root :P
[16:00] <GRiZL0C> no
[16:01] <Zardoz> just joking :P
[16:01] <GRiZL0C> funny guy
[16:01] <Zardoz> what do you mean funny?
[16:01] <GRiZL0C> i installed alsa utils but still no sound
[16:02] <jrg> Banana Pi M3 looks ike a beast
[16:02] <Zardoz> can you bring up the nixer?
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[16:02] <Zardoz> mexer even
[16:02] <Zardoz> garrr
[16:02] <GRiZL0C> mixer
[16:02] <Zardoz> MIX MIX
[16:02] <binaryhermit> jrg: I wouldn't call the rest garbage
[16:03] <binaryhermit> just almost 10 years old
[16:03] <binaryhermit> it came out in 2007
[16:03] <jrg> binaryhermit: ah lol
[16:03] <jrg> On Board 8GB eMMC Flash, Micro SD-Card slot, SATA 2.0 Port (USB-to-SATA bridge)[
[16:03] <binaryhermit> probably cost an arm and a leg too
[16:03] * ozzzy has to unload the trailer...
[16:03] * binaryhermit rimshot
[16:04] <jrg> wow... that usb to sata tho...
[16:05] <jrg> http://www.amazon.com/Banana-Pi-Octo-Core-Gigabit-Ethernet/dp/B018IN6FZE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1463321070&sr=8-1&keywords=Banana+Pi+M3
[16:05] <jrg> considering the hw you get
[16:05] <GRiZL0C> zardoz i have opened audio mixer its says dummy output
[16:06] <Zardoz> mmm, no sound driver it seems
[16:06] <jrg> binaryhermit: with a case it's ~$90USD
[16:06] <jrg> typical pi3 starter kit with a case is around $70
[16:07] <binaryhermit> that's... surprisingly not bad
[16:07] <jrg> yeah. i agree.
[16:07] <binaryhermit> since ARM boards were crazy expensive pre-pi
[16:07] <jrg> i mean overall the banana pi seems stronger
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[16:07] <binaryhermit> and that predates the pi by almost 5 years
[16:07] <jrg> 2GB of ram. octo-core, gbit
[16:07] <jrg> for $20 more
[16:07] <binaryhermit> I have an odroid c1 that I don't use
[16:08] <binaryhermit> not even the c1+
[16:08] <jrg> and i guess you can run raspbian on a banana pi
[16:08] * binaryhermit wonders if the banana pi m3 is affected by that embarassing allwinner root bug
[16:09] <mfa298> jrg: one of the key areas that the RaspberryPi has going for it is the community, most of the others require a lot more effort from yourself and a lot less hand holding to get something decent.
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[16:09] <binaryhermit> http://www.androidheadlines.com/2016/05/allwinner-kernel-forks-contain-easy-root-exploit.html
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[16:10] <binaryhermit> also, it seems my lockup was running out of RAM and swap
[16:10] <mfa298> I'm not sure what they're like now, but the original Banana Pi images wern't very good
[16:10] <jrg> mfa298: really? figured a bananapi was a bit supported
[16:11] <jrg> as far as beast hardware in a small package goes.. it sure is quite the eye candy
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[16:11] <mfa298> jrg: originally it wasn't much more support than you get from any other Chinese shop on ebay.
[16:11] <mfa298> but I've not looked at them much recently
[16:11] <jrg> although... that usb to sata... that's a bit.... weird
[16:12] <jrg> USB 2.0 PORT (x2), USB OTG (x1)
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[16:12] <jrg> so it has a usb2 bus trying to drive the sata port?
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[16:13] <Karlton> I wouldn't call echo rootmydevice > /proc/sunxi_debug/sunxi_debug a bug
[16:13] <binaryhermit> I don't want it on my system
[16:13] <Karlton> they just forget to remove their backdoor before releasing it to the public
[16:14] <Karlton> oops
[16:14] <binaryhermit> hence a bug
[16:14] <jrg> lol
[16:14] <binaryhermit> easy one to fix in open source, though
[16:15] <binaryhermit> but I prefer my root access behind a credentials-checking bouncer, thank you very much
[16:15] <binaryhermit> (bouncer as in the security guard at a bar)
[16:15] <Karlton> for the part that is "open source" at least
[16:15] <michael33> noobs it not an image
[16:16] <michael33> its a zip file
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[16:16] <jrg> ol
[16:16] <jrg> "rootmydevice"
[16:17] <Zardoz> its a collection of imgage files is it not?
[16:17] <jrg> could have been worse. could have been "sendbankstatementstochina"
[16:17] <Karlton> no telling what "bugs" they have in their firmware
[16:17] <michael33> no but i found info on the help page
[16:17] <binaryhermit> if they knew what they were doing they'd have put it in a binary blob
[16:17] <jrg> is the fw a blob?
[16:19] <jrg> oh cute. the bananapi has an IR receiver as well
[16:19] <Zardoz> anyone doing any OC on pi3?
[16:19] <jrg> i had to wire one onto the gpio of my pi
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[16:19] <jrg> not like it was a difficult task.. but kind of interesting the bananapi just has one onboard
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[16:22] <GRiZL0C> wohoo i got sound zardoz in kali linux and i'm not root :P
[16:23] <GRiZL0C> i entered this code "sudo modprobe snd_bcm2835"
[16:24] <GRiZL0C> that did the trick
[16:24] <Zardoz> GRiZL0C: lmao
[16:24] <GRiZL0C> :D
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[16:25] <GRiZL0C> where would we be if we didnt have google
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[16:25] <Zardoz> now install mpd and ncmpcpp
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[16:26] <Zardoz> GRiZL0C: the dark ages
[16:27] <Zardoz> GRiZL0C: you a cli guy?
[16:27] <GRiZL0C> yeah command line interface
[16:27] <Zardoz> cool, check out mpd
[16:28] <GRiZL0C> i was a cli guy when i was messing around back in the days of ms dos 6.22
[16:28] <Zardoz> tmux is cool to
[16:28] <GRiZL0C> whats mpd
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[16:29] <Zardoz> its a music player demaon
[16:29] <GRiZL0C> hmm ok
[16:29] <ThePendulum> GRiZL0C: Ask!
[16:29] <ThePendulum> duh
[16:29] <ThePendulum> "just ask! it!"
[16:30] <ThePendulum> "let me ask! that for you!"
[16:30] <Zardoz> hey ThePendulum
[16:30] <ThePendulum> "just #$% altavista it!"
[16:30] <ThePendulum> 'lo Zardoz
[16:32] <GRiZL0C> its nice listening to youtube music while irc'ing
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[16:32] <Zardoz> GRiZL0C: here is my desktop http://imgur.com/KN8Omyc
[16:32] <jrg> lol
[16:33] <GRiZL0C> what os is that
[16:34] <Zardoz> rasp
[16:34] <GRiZL0C> wow
[16:34] <Chillum> old skool
[16:34] <GRiZL0C> i dont know how you did that
[16:34] <GRiZL0C> yeah old skool
[16:34] <Zardoz> GRiZL0C: it was fun to learn
[16:35] <GRiZL0C> cli your also an amiga user?
[16:35] <Zardoz> yup
[16:35] <jrg> i still use screen
[16:35] <jrg> never saw a need to use tmux
[16:35] <Zardoz> jrg: tmux so nice
[16:35] <jrg> Zardoz: i guess. i've used it before but never saw a need to use it vs screen
[16:36] <jrg> i don't really do much with console windows
[16:36] <ThePendulum> I never tried screen, well I think I did once
[16:36] <ThePendulum> but then someone said "tmux is sooo much better!" and I just used tmux and never really cared to look back
[16:36] <Chillum> very useful tool
[16:36] <Zardoz> it's not for everyone
[16:36] <Chillum> tmux works great too
[16:36] <GRiZL0C> i also had amiga 500 back in the days and after that amiga 1200 but when the pc craziness took off i sold my a1200 i regret it still
[16:36] <jrg> haha
[16:36] <ThePendulum> I'm really just using the bare minimum of tmux
[16:36] <ThePendulum> really do use it as ton though, but not intensively
[16:36] <Chillum> I think I use screen because it was the only option back when I started
[16:36] <jrg> ThePendulum: same here with screen
[16:36] <jrg> it is always running something :)
[16:37] <ThePendulum> or, intensively certainly, but... what's the word?
[16:37] <ThePendulum> I don't use all of its features
[16:37] <Zardoz> oh and hello Chillum
[16:37] <GRiZL0C> aga chipset is amazing
[16:37] <Chillum> hello
[16:38] <ThePendulum> tmux is usually filling half my screens
[16:38] <ThePendulum> http://i.imgur.com/M7jh5lg.png
[16:38] <GRiZL0C> i wish i had some moor room for an amiga 1200
[16:38] <ThePendulum> just now as well
[16:38] <GRiZL0C> my room is crowded
[16:38] <Zardoz> GRiZL0C: check this some upgradding I am doing http://imgur.com/eLYQQf8
[16:38] <ThePendulum> looking at that, what the hell is happening to the syntax highlighting of that handlebars file
[16:40] <jrg> lol
[16:40] <jrg> that one screen you have
[16:40] <Zardoz> added a ide2sd reader for HDD work. the red thing is an AGA scan dubbler that outputs to DVI, 16MB ram. gotec drive... and more...
[16:40] <ThePendulum> what screen?
[16:41] <GRiZL0C> Zardoz i heard about an accelerator called vampire 2 for the amiga 600 it does crazy stuff
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[16:41] <GRiZL0C> there is no accelerator out for a1200 though but it should come out for a1200 some time
[16:42] <Zardoz> GRiZL0C: yeah that thing is nuts
[16:42] <GRiZL0C> one of the fastes i think
[16:42] <GRiZL0C> fastest*
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[16:43] <Zardoz> I hear rumors they might come out with a 1200 vers.
[16:43] <GRiZL0C> i did some mailtrading for a group and also did lots of expensive BBS surfing back in the days
[16:43] <GRiZL0C> on my a1200
[16:44] <Zardoz> I am doing nice with the 030 40 I have, but that thing is nuts
[16:44] <GRiZL0C> yes
[16:44] <Zardoz> <--- ran a 4 line bbs back in the day....
[16:44] <ThePendulum> I'm writing a web interface for my LED strips, wondering whether I should allow both RGB and HSV to set colors
[16:44] <ThePendulum> hmm I guess I should
[16:44] <Zardoz> yes
[16:45] <GRiZL0C> i've seen some footage on youtube they're running wolfenstein3d at 35fps or something thats pretty fast for an amiga 600
[16:45] <Zardoz> and the fps is caped
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[16:45] <GRiZL0C> so you mean it could go higher?
[16:45] <Zardoz> ye
[16:46] <GRiZL0C> wow
[16:46] <Zardoz> somthing with the port code
[16:46] <ThePendulum> hmm, wondering if I should use my Pi as a retro game console as well
[16:46] <ThePendulum> guess it'll struggle to do all those things at once though
[16:46] <GRiZL0C> rise of the triad is also one of the games that runs well
[16:46] <GRiZL0C> or duke nukem 3d
[16:47] <Zardoz> yeah, I was shocked how that ran...
[16:47] <ThePendulum> that is, stream music to my bed, control my LED strips (up to 416 of them) and emulate old games
[16:47] <ThePendulum> seems a bit hefty even for the Pi 3
[16:47] <Zardoz> it's even better now that the cose had been optimized.
[16:47] <Zardoz> code
[16:48] <GRiZL0C> okay guys i'm gonna make me some coffee brb
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[16:48] <ThePendulum> I should really learn Python
[16:49] <ThePendulum> anyone used Python with websockets? does that work well?
[16:49] <ThePendulum> node is absolutely ideal for that kind of stuff, but not as ideal for number crunching and accessing hardware, for which Python seems better
[16:49] <ThePendulum> and I need both
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[16:58] <Chillum> learn C if you want number crunching
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[17:00] <ThePendulum> well, just enough to calculate the current pattern on the LEDs
[17:00] <ThePendulum> C is horrifying to make any sort of human interface for to my understanding
[17:01] <ThePendulum> Python seems like a nice middle ground
[17:01] <ThePendulum> good hardware interfacing and plenty of web options
[17:02] <ThePendulum> downloaded the neopixel lib for Python and just sort of gave up there, I'll give it another spin though
[17:02] <ThePendulum> but I feel completely foreign with its library system
[17:02] <ThePendulum> had absolutely no idea how to start using the library with my own code
[17:02] <xorond> ThePendulum: check out learnpythonthehardway and codecademy if you are new
[17:02] <ThePendulum> other than editing strandtest.py lol
[17:02] <xorond> ThePendulum: just import it
[17:02] <ThePendulum> xorond: yeah, but where should it sit in my project?
[17:03] <ThePendulum> and what part of it do I import, it's a directory with an awful lot of stuff going on
[17:03] <ThePendulum> what is its entrypoint
[17:03] <xorond> so assuming your main code is at /home/ThePendulum/whateverproject/main.py or something
[17:03] <ThePendulum> yeah
[17:03] <xorond> then it should be in the same dir as your other scripts
[17:03] <Zardoz> this new jessie build just seems more stable to me...
[17:03] <xorond> then just add a import whateverlib string on your script
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[17:04] <ThePendulum> xorond: so I put the entire ws28 directory in whateverproject/?
[17:04] <xorond> or the place where your other python libs reside
[17:04] <xorond> that's where python also looks at
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[17:05] <xorond> ThePendulum: see learnpythonthehardway, it explains it
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[17:08] <martin290> hey everyone
[17:08] <martin290> does anyone know how to change the default port for tightvncserver?
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[17:10] <curlyears> greets, greets
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[17:10] <martin290> hey
[17:10] <martin290> hows it going?
[17:10] <ThePendulum> xorond: yeah I'll look into that, thanks
[17:10] <ThePendulum> that's also not an attractive name for a guide
[17:10] <xorond> haha true
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[17:10] <Zardoz> lol, whats it called?
[17:10] <curlyears> anyone in here familiar with AOC brand monitors?
[17:10] <ThePendulum> Zardoz: Learn Python The Hard Way
[17:10] <ThePendulum> lol
[17:10] <Zardoz> lmao
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[17:11] <ThePendulum> curlyears: heard of them, can't say I have any first hand experience unfortunately
[17:11] <ThePendulum> I'm a Dell guy now
[17:11] <Zardoz> ThePendulum: same here.
[17:12] <curlyears> tnx, ThePendulum
[17:12] <xorond> martin290: try running it with the parameter -rfbport
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[17:12] <Zardoz> ThePendulum: on a 2407fpw right now
[17:12] <wasabipi> hello
[17:12] <wasabipi> hey guys if i overclock my pi should I have a heatsink on it?
[17:12] <Zardoz> wasabipi: chello
[17:13] <Zardoz> wasabipi: I would
[17:13] <curlyears> I have a 27" AOC, working fine, but for the life of me I can't figure out how to activate it for HDMI input, which would allow me to use it with my Pi3
[17:13] * curlyears wondersd what they're going to do for a Pi4, if there ever is one
[17:13] <Zardoz> what AOC model
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[17:14] <Zardoz> curlyears: hope they can go to 2Gb ram for one
[17:14] <giddles> im not happy about rpi3
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[17:15] <giddles> after 2min youtube it have with heatsinks temperatures out of normality
[17:15] <Zardoz> I think the rpi3 is wonderful
[17:15] <giddles> :)
[17:15] <giddles> i like the 2 munch more
[17:15] <giddles> less consumption, also fast
[17:15] <giddles> not so hot
[17:15] <Zardoz> faster cou going to do more heat
[17:15] <giddles> with this governor i cant overclock stable
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[17:16] <giddles> ya.. maybe the cpu design is the problem... the specs beside the bt (which is niiiiceeee) and wlan (not nice, too low power) are beyond this near the same
[17:16] <martin290> giddles: so you'd buy the 2 over the 3?
[17:16] <martin290> xorond: thanks! :)
[17:16] <giddles> ah they saved cash with sd card holder
[17:16] <curlyears> the model number is on the back, in VERY tiny type. I can't rwead it well, looks like mode;: 27OL
[17:16] <giddles> also UGLY
[17:16] <giddles> :)
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[17:17] <giddles> i cant demount sd cards now because case fits exactly
[17:17] <GRiZL0C> i love my pi3
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[17:17] <Zardoz> giddles: it serves what it needs and that is low cost edu. device
[17:17] <ThePendulum> Zardoz: been using two U2312HMs for the past 5 years now, very satisfied. I'm considering saving up for similar UHD variants
[17:17] <Zardoz> GRiZL0C: same here
[17:17] <giddles> jaja i was also meeting a "pi convention" in my town
[17:17] <xorond> Zardoz: or an irc device lol
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[17:18] <giddles> this ppl looked at me like an alien meanwhile they run with 3 poor led a traffic light simulation or a scratch stuff
[17:18] <giddles> :D
[17:18] <martin290> giddles: a pi convention?? that sounds awesome
[17:18] <ThePendulum> Zardoz: 1080p is rather noticable with text and they're starting to show some sort of ghost-burnin issues
[17:18] <giddles> i also tought
[17:18] <ThePendulum> really good screens still though
[17:18] <mfa298> giddles: there were plenty of people with issues with the pi2 sd slot so I'm not sure the change is a significant problem (some prefer one, others the other, and the rest of us don't care)
[17:18] <ThePendulum> definitely worth their money at the time
[17:18] <Zardoz> ThePendulum: yeah I have 2x 2407 and the been great. also have 2x 3007 some thing...
[17:18] <giddles> but they were teachers or something, they looked at me like an alien as i told em i run rpi for suvelliance :D
[17:18] <giddles> and ircd
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[17:19] <martin290> giddles: how do you use the pi for surveillance?
[17:19] <giddles> they even didnt knew what an eggdrop is... thats shamefully
[17:19] <xorond> wasabipi: if you are concerned about your pi overheating you can check out my script https://github.com/xorond/rpioverheatprotector
[17:19] <giddles> with the programme motion and a rpi noir cam?
[17:19] <Zardoz> I am amazed what I can do with a pi3
[17:19] <giddles> (of cause low fps)
[17:19] <giddles> im not amazed Zardoz
[17:19] <martin290> can you use wifi cameras with the pi?
[17:19] <giddles> it drives like a overclocked 2
[17:19] <xorond> martin290: yes
[17:19] <GRiZL0C> i have 2 pi3's which one has kali linux to use for irc the other one has LibreELEC pi3 is an amazing media player
[17:19] <giddles> yesterday it freezed
[17:20] <giddles> @ normal specs
[17:20] <martin290> that might be a pretty good idea....
[17:20] <giddles> actual i have uhmm..
[17:20] <martin290> can you record on the pi, too?
[17:20] <martin290> i mean... recording surveillance
[17:20] <xorond> martin290: i've seen projects about home surveillance
[17:20] <wasabipi> xorond: can i install this if ive got recalbox on my pi?
[17:20] <giddles> temp=53.7'C <-- idle
[17:20] <giddles> 600mhz
[17:20] <giddles> rpi3
[17:20] <GRiZL0C> you should use heatsinks with or without fan if you really gonna stress the cpu at 100%
[17:20] <martin290> what's the "cheapest" way to about home surveillance on the pi?
[17:20] <Zardoz> I seen a guy doing video editing on a pi 3, mind you it was 4:3 content but it was doingit...
[17:20] <martin290> probably not wifi cameras, right?
[17:20] <giddles> pi noir cam, ir lights with 840nm...
[17:21] <xorond> wasabipi: wasabipi im not sure but it should work as long as it is debian or arch based
[17:21] <giddles> and if you use motion it only records or shoot pictures if something move
[17:21] <giddles> ...
[17:21] <giddles> so no 24/7 timeshift crap
[17:21] <curlyears> ``eggdrops are only relevant to IRCers, There are many excellent engineers and teachers out thero are not IRCers. That doesn't make them inferior in any waye wh
[17:21] <ThePendulum> are Dell still as good these days btw?
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[17:21] <martin290> giddles: so i would need to have the pi right near where i'm going to record for the pi noir cam
[17:21] <GrandPa-G> Has anyone have a problem with ethernet stop working after about 5 minutes?
[17:21] <ThePendulum> I mean back in 2011 they were the de facto brand for monitors
[17:22] <ThePendulum> but things can change rapidly
[17:22] <giddles> curlyears, which protocoll is better for status messages as a bouncer and an ircd?
[17:22] <giddles> i can connect trough easy, read out last 500 lines of bouncer, on my mobile phone
[17:22] <giddles> :)
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[17:22] <giddles> i dont blame em for not knewing irc, i blame em for taking me as alien
[17:22] <giddles> in their gpio scratch world
[17:23] <Celerity> has anyone ever used their RPi as a SWD/ARM programmer?
[17:23] <curlyears> giddles: I haven't been involved in IRC internals fopr about 1`0 years or more, I honestly dont know
[17:23] <xorond> GrandPa-G: i had that problem with a wireless adapter but not with ethernet..
[17:23] <giddles> of cause ;) but you dont say: eh thats not our topic :P @ rpi con
[17:24] <giddles> anyway... sudo odroid-config :P
[17:24] <xorond> giddles: lol
[17:24] <giddles> i buyed one 94EUR xu4...
[17:24] <giddles> :D
[17:24] <giddles> i need a noirc camera for it...
[17:24] <giddles> :)
[17:24] <GrandPa-G> xorond: it shows still connected with ip on the little panel at the top. However if I do a ifconfig, it takes about 10 minutes to finish
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[17:25] <xorond> GrandPa-G: are you having problems connecting with ssh or is it just ifconfig?
[17:25] <martin290> this security camera project i'm looking at seems a little over my head
[17:25] <martin290> for each camera, i'd need to have a pi, right?
[17:25] <giddles> nooo martin290
[17:25] <giddles> im a windows user, i never touched linux before
[17:25] <giddles> its easy
[17:26] * Celerity is looking at OpenOCD on RPi
[17:26] <giddles> when i can do it, you can do it
[17:26] <giddles> :D
[17:26] <GrandPa-G> xorond: anything on the outside of the pi looses connection. no ping, no ssh no nothing.
[17:26] <wasabipi> hey guys is the zero more powerful than the original model B?
[17:26] <xorond> wasabipi: no
[17:26] <martin290> giddles: that's reassuring :)
[17:26] <curlyears> \there was a fellow in here the other day asking about using Pi3s to do bitcoin mining with. Had it in his head that we would mine a few, use them to buyt more Pi3s, and use them all the get rich mining bitcoins *hehehe*
[17:26] <martin290> giddles: what tutorial did you follow?
[17:26] <giddles> many
[17:26] <giddles> i worked one year about to get it running as i like
[17:27] <xorond> GrandPa-G: that's interesting. Maybe you can try doing 'ifconfig (whatever your ethernet adapter is) down && ifconfig (your ethernet driver) up
[17:27] <martin290> giddles: can you link me to one that helped you the most?
[17:27] <GRiZL0C> curlyears: lol
[17:27] <xorond> that will turn the driver off and on
[17:27] <xorond> and then try ifconfig again maybe
[17:27] <giddles> now i have an rpiserver with ftpd and ircd ;), uploading it tough motion on different storages like drive ;)
[17:27] <martin290> or one that can give me a general idea how to do it
[17:27] <giddles> from google
[17:27] <martin290> giddles: : that's awesome. the pi is useful for so much stuff
[17:27] <GrandPa-G> I could do an ifdown & ifup. I will try but I don't think that will help
[17:28] <giddles> its a small computer ;)
[17:28] <curlyears> the Pi0 is the processorr and memroy of a 2B+. It is, if anything, somewhat less capable, as it lacks all the functionality of the B2+ support chips and connectors
[17:28] <martin290> yup, a powerful one, too
[17:28] <GRiZL0C> but its no corei7 desktop replacement
[17:28] <giddles> well the xu4 has munch more pwoer
[17:28] <giddles> especially for higher fps
[17:28] <giddles> but the price is also 3 times higher
[17:28] <giddles> :)
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[17:28] <giddles> for my usage im happy with 2 fps :)
[17:29] <martin290> yup exactly
[17:29] <giddles> maybe you lol about 2fps, i caught a thief :P
[17:29] <giddles> the crowe living in the tree trys to steal the form near my grill :)
[17:29] <martin290> we'll have to chat more giddles :) i gotta go now though
[17:30] <giddles> ya, use motion
[17:30] <giddles> i have great experience on it
[17:30] <martin290> isn't that an OS?
[17:30] <martin290> or a distro
[17:30] <giddles> no its a programme
[17:30] <martin290> oh awesome
[17:30] <giddles> http://www.lavrsen.dk/foswiki/bin/view/Motion/WebHome
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[17:30] <curlyears> martin: motion implements motion sensed trigger of video recording
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[17:31] <martin290> got it
[17:31] <giddles> well motion can do everything
[17:31] <martin290> so if i want to have 3 cameras, i'd need 3 pi's, right?
[17:31] <giddles> it has a big *.conf
[17:31] <giddles> well in case of pi i would say yes
[17:31] <giddles> on a bigger engine you can run several instances of motion
[17:31] <curlyears> I have seen some amazing video of wildlife taken using motion sensing .
[17:32] <martin290> cool :) thanks
[17:32] <giddles> motion can also make video in timeshift, what you like
[17:32] <martin290> alright, have a good day!
[17:32] <giddles> you can even execute commands
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[17:32] <giddles> like sendmail if camere connection lost
[17:32] <giddles> bye
[17:32] <giddles> :)
[17:33] <curlyears> *wowzer*
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[17:33] <curlyears> how well does the Pi3 handle floating point calculations? I know it doesn't sport an FPU
[17:33] <giddles> the thing i martinxyz not told that motion is a "diva" :D
[17:35] <curlyears> and what sort of color gamit does Pi3 support? 24bit color?
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[17:36] * curlyears would ne ver be able to IRC on a tablet or a phone. I barely manage with a 27" screen and full sized keyboard *grin*
[17:36] <curlyears> does anyone here program in C on their Pi?
[17:37] <Chillum> Pi is full colour
[17:37] <Chillum> it has hdmi out
[17:38] <Chillum> it does have an FPU I think
[17:38] <Chillum> at least the early pis did
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[17:39] <curlyears> really? Built in to the Broadcom processor chip, presumably. Is FP part of the design specification by ARM?
[17:40] <gordonDrogon> curlyears, I use C on my Pi's.
[17:40] <Chillum> yes, almost everything is in the SoC
[17:40] <Chillum> http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/545/does-the-raspberry-pi-have-hardware-floating-point-support
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[17:40] <Chillum> "The SoC is a Broadcom BCM2835. This contains an ARM1176JZFS, with floating point..."
[17:40] <curlyears> gordonDrogon: do you use anything special, or just gcc under linux?
[17:40] <gordonDrogon> curlyears, weird - the Pi has had an FPU since day one - over 4 years ago. where are you reading that it doesn't support an FPU?
[17:41] <gordonDrogon> gcc is fine for me.
[17:41] <curlyears> I am NOT reading it, I was wondering.
[17:41] <gordonDrogon> well, wonder no-more. it has hardware floating point.
[17:41] <gordonDrogon> always has, always will ...
[17:41] <Chillum> you can treat it like most linux boxes
[17:42] <Chillum> C programming must be compiled for ARM, but otherwise it is just C
[17:42] <curlyears> gordonDrogon: have you had to create a special API library for the Pi, or is the stadard set of libs sufficient?
[17:42] <gordonDrogon> curlyears, The Pi runs Linux. Its ... Linux. Bog standard for the past 20 years...
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[17:43] <gordonDrogon> I can compile the same program on my Linux x86 desktop and on the Pi with no changes whatsoever.
[17:43] <jrg> i had a hell of a time building stuff on the pi itself due to ram
[17:44] <gordonDrogon> the Linux kernel (written in C) compiles just fine ... But yes, maybe some horridibly complex c++ needs a lot of ram...
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[17:44] <curlyears> yes, but one must certainly require hardware specific libraries t conveniently access various bits of onboard hardware unique to the Pi
[17:44] <curlyears> I don't code in C++
[17:44] <gordonDrogon> curlyears, not at all. the sd card is just a disk, the ethernet- just an ethernet, etc.
[17:45] <mfa298> curlyears: there are libraries (such as wiringpi) for talking to the gpio if you need that
[17:45] <gordonDrogon> the only special is the GPIO - but even then, then SPI and I2C (and serial) are all standard Linux devices.
[17:45] <curlyears> kewl, as the youngsters like to say
[17:46] <mfa298> or you can talk to the gpio directly if you really want to but that way is more complex, in theory it's similar to what you could probably do on any linux system if it had some io you could sensibly control
[17:47] <curlyears> tnx, mfa298
[17:47] <gordonDrogon> curlyears, my biggest Pi project is my BASIC interperter - it's 30K lines of C and runs perfectly well on my Linux desktop as my Pi's. same graphics, etc. the only thing you don't get on the desktop is the GPIO access.
[17:48] <curlyears> gordonDrogon: is that BASIC interpreter proprietary, or shareware/freeware?
[17:48] <ThePendulum> oh I see learnpythonthehardway is 30 usd
[17:48] <gordonDrogon> if you're running raspbian, it's already installed. type 'rtb' in a termina ...
[17:49] <ThePendulum> 30usd and I won't really use the video :/
[17:49] <curlyears> gordonDrogon: and if I am running ubuntu?
[17:50] <ThePendulum> is Learn Python The Hard Way really all that good if you've already been programming for considerable amount of time?
[17:50] <gordonDrogon> you could probably install the package from the raspbian repos. try: wget https://unicorn.drogon.net/rtb.deb ; sudo dpkg -i rtb.deb
[17:50] <ThePendulum> It stresses it's made for beginners who know -nothing- about programming
[17:51] <mfa298> ThePendulum: I've heard good things about the Learning the hard way series, but not really used them myself
[17:51] <curlyears> ThePendulum: all good books on programming in a new language start at ther very beginning. If you are experienced, you skip ahead to the stuff you don't already know. That way, one book supports far many more users
[17:52] <curlyears> OK, thanks, gordonDrogon
[17:52] <mfa298> curlyears: if it's anything like the Learning C the hard way series, you really need to do the whole series, The C one introduces debugging tools fairly early on.
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[17:53] <curlyears> mfa298: Like I said you skip ahead to the stuff you don't already know, which would include debugging. Are they yteaching debugging techniques, or a specific debugger package?
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[17:53] <ThePendulum> still think 30usd is a bit steep, don't really want to pay for a ton of video content I won't use
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[17:54] <ThePendulum> wish it was a bit more modular
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[17:54] <gordonDrogon> curlyears, why running ubuntu when 99% of pi users run raspbian?
[17:54] <curlyears> ThePendulum: in my experience, $30USD for a good programming book is about the going price, in today's marketplace.
[17:54] <wasabipi> guys ive got recalbox on my pi and tried to run mame but the game just says ram ok and rom ok. Is it a bad rom or am i missing some file or something?
[17:55] <ThePendulum> curlyears: meh, for a physical copy sure
[17:55] <curlyears> gordonDrogon: because then I'll be running on the same OS on both my Pi3 and my desktop 8core AMD64. And in 64 bits, soon!
[17:55] <gordonDrogon> ok.
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[17:55] <gordonDrogon> I run Debian on my desktops.
[17:56] <mfa298> ThePendulum: there's also Code Academy which has various sets of lessons in various languages
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[17:56] <Zardoz> wasabipi: press fire or spacebar?
[17:56] <gordonDrogon> curlyears, I'm not convinced 64-bit on the Pi will actually give you anything more usable than 32-bits though. Do let me know how it performs though..
[17:56] <ThePendulum> I should check that out, only ever hung out on codewars
[17:56] <stiv> both Udacity and Coursera have a bunch of free, on-line programming classes
[17:56] <wasabipi> Zardoz: doesnt do anything :/
[17:56] <michael33> noobs just stops installing Raspbian on 631 mb i got this twice now
[17:57] <curlyears> gordonDrogon: also, I have never been the sort to 'run with the pack.' (e.g., I'm ornery and somewhat anti-social)
[17:57] <mfa298> curlyears: the point is that the Learning the hard way series look to be very much designed that you don't skip stuff, some of the teaching is based on doing things that don't work and then fixing them, much as you'd do when really codign. Skipping stuff means you miss out on that so you don't learn properly.
[17:57] <gordonDrogon> I thought I was like that using Debian, but hey ...
[17:57] <Zardoz> wasabipi: try some F keys?
[17:57] <ThePendulum> oof
[17:57] <ThePendulum> Unit 10: RGB-HEX converter
[17:57] <curlyears> gordo: since it runs att he same clock speed, it multiplies the size of your calculations by a factor of 32m which for me might be useful
[17:57] <wasabipi> i dont have a keyboard plugged in, lemme go find one and try it
[17:58] <ThePendulum> that sounds very trivial
[17:58] <ThePendulum> I should stop complaining
[17:58] <Zardoz> yes :P
[17:58] <ThePendulum> ThePendulum: stop telling me what to do
[17:59] <curlyears> \mfa289: OK, makes sense. They're teaching a specific debugging technique then, and unless you happen to already be familiar with that techniique, you ARE BEST ADVISED TO START WITH THE BEGINNING AND WORK ON THROUGH
[17:59] <curlyears> oopsd
[17:59] <Zardoz> lol
[17:59] <ThePendulum> do most people really prefer videos over text for learning?
[18:00] <Zardoz> ThePendulum: I like both
[18:00] <ThePendulum> guess I should follow this course on my Pi so I can experiment with the GPIOs as I learn
[18:00] <Zardoz> I like it both ways. :P
[18:00] <curlyears> not me. I much prefer a book, onwe which I can stuff in my pocket or my briefcase, and read when as as I want to
[18:01] <mfa298> I've tended to prefer the text guides, means you can go at the speed that works for you.
[18:01] <ThePendulum> Zardoz: ahh I hear you ;)
[18:01] <gordonDrogon> I'm good at self-learning, but worked examples are very good.
[18:01] <Zardoz> ThePendulum: :P
[18:01] <gordonDrogon> in books or this new fangled video thing...
[18:01] <curlyears> with videos, I find it more difficult to backtrack if I find I have missed a poiint, or forgotten something important\
[18:01] <gordonDrogon> and hands-on practicals (which has been good for my patisserie/bakery stuff)
[18:01] <ThePendulum> I am very absent minded so I often read an entire sentence and at the end of it I realize I didn't really 'catch on' to what is being said
[18:01] <shauno> how many times have we told you, moving pictures are not satan's work
[18:01] <ThePendulum> so I read it again
[18:02] <ThePendulum> the equivalent of that in a video is very annoying :P
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[18:02] <ThePendulum> curlyears: yeah exactly
[18:02] <Zardoz> I am a very visual person and hands-on. text alone kills me.
[18:02] <ThePendulum> I also often used different bits of text to help me out
[18:02] <curlyears> \prezactly and excisely, ThePendulum!!
[18:02] <ThePendulum> in a video everything is sequential, you can't really keep two bits next to each other
[18:03] <ThePendulum> at least not practically
[18:03] <ThePendulum> Zardoz: oh yeah sure, but I'll use my console to pry around with what I just learned
[18:03] <ThePendulum> find out for myself
[18:03] <ThePendulum> nothing against videos though
[18:03] <ThePendulum> I'm just often upset a tutorial or course is video-only
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[18:04] <ThePendulum> and I'm worried this will be a growing trend
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[18:04] <GrandPa-G> is there a way to change screen resolution without a reboot. I know how to change /boot/config.txt
[18:04] <ThePendulum> oh this codecademy is teaching my py 2
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[18:04] <ThePendulum> at least
[18:04] <Zardoz> ThePendulum: yeah. thats what I really liked about the tech school I when to the had a lot of lab/hands-on time to back up the class room stuff...
[18:04] <ThePendulum> it's py 3 that requires print(), no?
[18:04] * curlyears and ThePendulum have a Mutual Admiration Society growing. Mayber we could charge a small membership fee and get righ, wadda ya think, ThePendulum?
[18:05] <mfa298> My issues with videos is for something that's 20 mins long you get 18 mins of doing somethign like setting up a VM on the persons setup (which never matches what you have) and 2 minutes of stuff you need to know, I'd prefer to just have something that tells me what spec VM i need instead, and the useful bits you need to know. (based on a Cisco think I watched last week)
[18:05] <ThePendulum> curlyears: did you mean get high or get rich?
[18:05] <ThePendulum> I'm up for either or both, count me in
[18:06] <curlyears> rich... I gave up getting high 35 years ago
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[18:06] <ThePendulum> 35 years ago I wasn't even a thought :C
[18:06] <shauno> mfa298: that does sound familiar. I picked up the new pi camera recently, and most the instructions just link to youtube videos. I don't need a 5 minute video, I just needed a reminder of which way the ribbon cable goes
[18:06] <curlyears> not sure this decrepit old body could handle being high anymore *sigh*
[18:06] <Zardoz> mfa298: problem with video is that it does not get updated as often as the text or what you are working on, so it's almost always outdated.
[18:07] <ThePendulum> shauno: lol I found myself plugging up breadboard wires
[18:07] <ThePendulum> eh
[18:07] <ThePendulum> *replugging breadboard wires into the end of a ribbon cable for a decent couple of minutes
[18:07] <ThePendulum> before figuring out the exact mirroring and rotation I had to take into account
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[18:07] <ThePendulum> I need a label plate
[18:07] <shauno> for the camera's cable, I just needed to know "the shiny side faces away from the ethernet port"
[18:08] <shauno> and youtube does have problems updating. you can't straight replace one video with another, so if you update, you lose all your views, comments, etc
[18:08] * curlyears is considering getting a Picam, but is not sure which one to get. How well does the noir perform in daylight?
[18:09] <shauno> I have the old (original) noir. works fine in daylight, just with funny colour hues
[18:09] <ThePendulum> is the connector used for the picam also used for displays?
[18:09] <ThePendulum> or the other similar one
[18:09] <curlyears> shauno: that makes me lean toward the noir, because infrared imaging would be of some interest to me
[18:09] <shauno> right, the other. same style, different socket
[18:10] <Zardoz> video also cant be done till the vers of the software or product is done, and by the time it hits the software or product gets updated and can make the video outdated.
[18:10] <ThePendulum> I should get a camera too, wonder how long the cable can get though
[18:10] <mfa298> curlyears: I think the difference was that the noir doesn't have the ir filter film on the sensor (originally people were removing it from the PiCam)
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[18:10] <curlyears> mfa298: I see.
[18:11] <ThePendulum> I wonder if I could put a wire of a couple of meters on it
[18:11] <ThePendulum> and use it as a security camera
[18:12] <curlyears> my windows, uinfortunatly, are made of glas, which reflects most except the rces of IR (glass is considered to be non-transparent to IR)
[18:12] <shauno> I believe so. at least with the original, adafruit sell the cable in a bunch of sizes, up to 1 & 2 metres. no idea if the newer model is any fussier for that
[18:12] <ThePendulum> oh I'm seeing a couple of cables being sold here
[18:12] <ThePendulum> up to 2 meters
[18:12] <ThePendulum> all ribbon though, annoyingly
[18:13] <curlyears> but I used to use glass to hold down the materials when IR exposing PCBs prior to etching the copper\
[18:13] <ThePendulum> I wish they could just bundle it until the ends
[18:13] <Zardoz> ThePendulum: thats crazy talk :P
[18:13] <ThePendulum> izzit
[18:13] <ThePendulum> well sorry m8 idk how to electronic
[18:14] <mfa298> I think there used to be some optinos to use other cable types with the PiCam
[18:14] <mfa298> but it's not something I've looked at for a few years
[18:14] <curlyears> Zardoz: no, it isn't. It is undesireable in this case because serdes for the camera port would considerably increase the cost of both the cam and the Pi, and that is counter productive
[18:14] <Zardoz> lol guys I am joking
[18:15] <ThePendulum> leading a ribbon cable through my room is a bit annoying
[18:15] <ThePendulum> can be done though
[18:15] <ThePendulum> although
[18:15] <ThePendulum> I wouldn't be able to put it outside then
[18:16] <shauno> just wallpaper over it :)
[18:16] <Zardoz> wireless cough
[18:16] <ThePendulum> guess I could solder something together myself, not sure what the idea behind the ribbon is
[18:16] <Zardoz> shauno: lol
[18:16] <ThePendulum> shauno: we JUST wallpapered my room yesterday
[18:16] <ThePendulum> where were you
[18:16] <shauno> I'm only half kidding. flat does give you some interesting options for hiding things
[18:16] <ThePendulum> that said if I wanted to use it outside I'd have to cut a slit in our windowframe, lol
[18:16] <curlyears> use a Pi3, place thwem in an enclosure, and use WiFI to link the video to your desktop. MUCH less expensive than a WiFI enabled video [preconfigured
[18:17] <ThePendulum> there is already a hole in it for the shutters, but a slit
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[18:18] <ThePendulum> what's the idea behind these cameras? why not use a USB camera?
[18:18] <ThePendulum> especially considering how expensive they are o_o
[18:18] <curlyears> ribbon cables are used for medium s[eed multi-signal links becase it is inexpensive and easy to terminate. You would HATE having to solder a cANNON(TM) CONENCTOR, BELIEVE ME!
[18:18] <ThePendulum> woah that was an emotional rollercoaster
[18:19] <curlyears> oops
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[18:19] <zero_to_rocket> what is the power of antenna on RPi3? I can only find freq and wireless standard specs online
[18:20] <ThePendulum> it's 32eu here, I'm sure I could find an 8MP webcam for that
[18:20] <ThePendulum> guess the official cameras will have some driver advantages though
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[18:20] <mfa298> ThePendulum: the Pi cameras have a direct link into the gpu meaning they can do high resolution and video
[18:20] <ThePendulum> yeah
[18:20] <ThePendulum> do they have cases for them
[18:20] <ThePendulum> they do
[18:21] <curlyears> zero_to_rocket: look up the partnumber of the WiFi cjip they're using, and then go to the manufacturer for thqt chip and look it up[ there
[18:21] <curlyears> 32Eu? Geeze
[18:22] <ThePendulum> https://www.kiwi-electronics.nl/raspberry-pi/raspberry-pi-camera-en-accessoires/raspberry-pi-noir-camera-board-v2-8mp
[18:22] <curlyears> I haven't seen any pre-configured pre-implemented WiFi cams that low...they seem to start around $50
[18:22] <ThePendulum> does the lack of an IR filter at all help with night vision?
[18:23] <curlyears> ooooohhh...ThePendulum is iin Oz!!!!!!!
[18:23] <ThePendulum> curlyears: well not with wifi
[18:23] <ThePendulum> lol I am?
[18:23] <ThePendulum> oh kiwi
[18:23] <ThePendulum> hehe
[18:23] <ThePendulum> so that'd be 30eu for the camera, 5eu for the long ribbon and 10eu for the case
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[18:24] <curlyears> wwhy else would you be looking at a site named www/kiwi-electronnics? Oh, now that I look,. I see that JIP is in The Netherlands
[18:24] <ThePendulum> JIP?
[18:24] <curlyears> ch for the Pi3?\\
[18:24] <ThePendulum> ch?
[18:24] <curlyears> s/JIP/it/ sorry
[18:25] <ThePendulum> tld?
[18:25] <curlyears> no, total typo
[18:25] <curlyears> .nl is the tld associated there, which is The Netherlands
[18:26] <ThePendulum> yeah
[18:26] <curlyears> so you are either in The Netherlands, or somewhere nearby in Europe
[18:26] <GrandPa-G> My ethernet connection problems: I just got a message on the icon at the top where networks are "etho:Departed", "wlan0:Departed" Any idea why? or where it comes from?
[18:27] <curlyears> "Departed?" what OS is this under?
[18:28] <ThePendulum> that sounds dramatic, haha
[18:28] <ThePendulum> and yes I'm Dutch I think
[18:30] <GrandPa-G> curlyears: jessie, fresh install
[18:31] <curlyears> GrandPa-G: What is "jessie?"
[18:32] <giddles> this debian...
[18:32] <GrandPa-G> the latest raspberian
[18:32] <curlyears> a linux distro?
[18:32] <giddles> i love ubuntu mate :D
[18:32] <curlyears> ahh, ok. Well never having even SEEN a raspian install or raspian being used, I don't think I can help there
[18:33] <giddles> do you have a pi?
[18:33] <giddles> :D
[18:33] <curlyears> \well, time for me to skedaddle
[18:33] <GrandPa-G> yes standard os
[18:33] <curlyears> two Pi2, in fact: a 2B+ and a 3B+
[18:33] <giddles> download it from raspberrypi.org, format an sd, write the image and here you go
[18:34] <giddles> :)
[18:34] <giddles> sudo raspi-config and bam..
[18:34] <giddles> ah btw nightvision
[18:34] <giddles> you need an ir source
[18:34] <curlyears> I intend to install MATE ubuntu64 v16.04 once it's released
[18:35] <giddles> im running on mae
[18:35] <giddles> mate ;)
[18:35] <giddles> even stellarium works
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[18:36] <curlyears> hmph. I haven't checked any docs as yet, but I can't get stellarium to *DO* ANYTHING BUT "scroll" around a single scene
[18:36] <giddles> but rpi3... temp=53.2'C
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[18:36] <giddles> on an rpi3? @ curlyears
[18:36] <giddles> i can scroll in
[18:36] <giddles> only time is a little afterwards ;D
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[18:37] <curlyears> no, on an FX8300 series desktop
[18:37] <GRiZL0C> the pendulum are you dutch?
[18:37] <giddles> lol ok
[18:37] <curlyears> clocks at only 3.2Ghz, but it has 8 cores, so
[18:38] <giddles> im also happy that i can clock my rpi3 to 1.2ghz just by one click in ubuntu mate
[18:38] <giddles> no boot.txt change needed
[18:38] <curlyears> a 4 core, 1.2Mhz, 74 bit ARM *OUGHT* to be almost a sped demon
[18:38] <curlyears> s/74/64/
[18:39] * curlyears can't think of many embedded applications where that much horsepower is called for, but still, it's cool that it is out there!
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[18:47] <ThePendulum> I guess I could put an IR lamp up
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[18:48] <ThePendulum> is heat just outside the spectrum these unfiltered cameras can detect?
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[18:54] <GRiZL0C> anyone here know anything about the udroid xu4? I wish the next pi4 will be as powerful as an udroid xu4 and still cost 35$
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[18:55] <GRiZL0C> i like how it comes with heatsink and active coolingfan
[18:56] <sKyZ> x86?
[18:57] <GRiZL0C> arm
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[18:57] <Chunkyz> anyone got jdownloader to work on a pi?
[18:58] <ThePendulum> hmm I feel like the Pi would lose some of its charm if it needed active cooling
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[18:59] <michael33> help, i accidently removed power supply and now i get an error when booting: random: nonblocking pool is initialised
[19:00] <Celerity> It'd be funny if they come with a mid year refresh of the RPi3 with 2GB ram.
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[19:01] <ThePendulum> 1 gig RAM is probably the only thing I wish the Pi 3 had
[19:01] <mfa298> ThePendulum: depending on what you're doing the Pi3 already benefits from active cooling (i.e. if you're doing somethign that uses all the cores)
[19:01] <ThePendulum> *2 gig
[19:01] <Celerity> I mean, they did double the ram from 256 to 512 in the model b
[19:01] <ThePendulum> there are some Pi alternatives that have a couple of things like IR and onboard storage, but the only thing I really miss is another gig of RAM
[19:02] <ThePendulum> Celerity: now I wonder if I should've waited a bit getting a Pi 3 :/
[19:02] <Celerity> ThePendulum, eh don't think about it too much
[19:02] * Celerity looks at his desk with the pi, pi3, bbblack, arduinos etc.
[19:02] <Celerity> I.... might have a problem
[19:02] <ThePendulum> hehe
[19:02] <ThePendulum> got a Pi B and Pi 3 here
[19:02] <Celerity> ditto
[19:03] <Celerity> Well mine's the B w/ 512MB and 2 USB ports.
[19:03] <ThePendulum> I do have a Google Cardboard I never used
[19:03] <ThePendulum> so I bought another
[19:03] <Celerity> the only reason I didn't get the B w/ 256MB ram is simply because it was unavaiable at launch
[19:04] <Celerity> and life got to me for a good few months.
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[19:04] <Celerity> I bought one cardboard, and acquired 2 more cardboards
[19:04] <GRiZL0C> i wish i could show you my setup
[19:04] <Celerity> Again, I might have a problem.
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[19:05] <Celerity> GRiZL0C, describe it! That'll be close enough
[19:05] <mfa298> I've got a couple of the 256MB Pi1B's at least one of them is currently actively in use
[19:05] <Celerity> mfa298, what do you use it for.
[19:05] <shauno> I still got a 256MB one. I use it for breadboarding anything that I think might break things :)
[19:06] <shauno> I keep trying to sacrifice it, it keeps turning into a good luck charm
[19:06] <Celerity> lol
[19:06] <Celerity> I want to get into arm programming, and I just saw that the RPi supports this software called OpenOCD
[19:06] <GRiZL0C> i got 2 rpi3 appltv4 minix x8h plus android tv box a ps3 slim 500gb a pioneer bdp-150 stand alone blu ray player all connected to a lg 32le5300 32inch hdtv its really crowded here just the way i like
[19:06] <Celerity> which can apparently be used to program ARM chips.
[19:07] <Celerity> minix? isn't that an OS?
[19:07] <Celerity> what's x8h
[19:07] <mfa298> Celerity: that's got an avr programmer on it and an ATmega324, used for developing code on that
[19:07] <GRiZL0C> and for sound i have a sony ps3 surround sound bar 2.1 speaker that does dolby and dts
[19:08] <shauno> pi3 is about all I use my tv for anymore. kodi ftw
[19:08] <Celerity> mfa298, oh sweet.
[19:08] <mfa298> Celerity: I think the other one is in the draw with a couple of radio modules on it (I've not done any code on that for a while)
[19:08] <Celerity> don't even get me started on radio modules bro, I got a bunch of nrf24 and they're virtually untouched...
[19:09] <Celerity> :(
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[19:09] <michael33> is thre any fix available for my problem? i tried adding init=/bin/bash to cmdline.txt
[19:09] <GRiZL0C> the Minix Neo X8-H Plus is a android tv box
[19:09] <michael33> i think SD card has sector problems
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[19:10] <GRiZL0C> minix neo x8h plus runs android 4.4 kitkat
[19:11] <hypermist> can someone mirror this http://adafruit-download.s3.amazonaws.com/PiGRRL_Zero_20160506.zip closer to newzealand
[19:11] <ThePendulum> my new cardboard doesn
[19:11] <GRiZL0C> Celerity: Minix Neo U1 is the newer version and runs android 5.1 lollipop real powerful android tv box for kodi or games or anything
[19:11] <ThePendulum> doesn't even work properly with my phone... a Nexus even
[19:11] <hypermist> becauuuse... i cannot download it.
[19:12] <Celerity> I see.
[19:12] <ThePendulum> I had to trick my phone into thinking the cardboard is bigger than it really is so the images line up
[19:12] <Celerity> I want a zero, but scalpers here sell it for the equivalent of $25
[19:13] <hypermist> just wait for pihut on monday or pimoroni Celerity ?
[19:13] <ThePendulum> the Zero would've had a lot more potential for me if it had a wifi chip
[19:13] <Celerity> hypermist, isn't puhut UK only?
[19:13] <hypermist> is anyone got vps's or download locations in AUS ?
[19:13] <hypermist> Celerity, no it does ship some places
[19:13] <Celerity> oh!
[19:14] <hypermist> i know it doesnt ship to me
[19:14] <hypermist> lol (:
[19:14] <shauno> if the zero had this, that and the other, it wouldn't be zero :) (or five bucks)
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[19:14] <hypermist> touche shauno (:
[19:14] <ThePendulum> with a wifi chip I could just plug in the power and have a device on my network
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[19:14] <hypermist> oh hai Crom
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[19:15] <hypermist> does someone have a better location than the us and can help me get http://adafruit-download.s3.amazonaws.com/PiGRRL_Zero_20160506.zip faster to my network at home because its downloading at like 1000B/s
[19:15] <hypermist> xD
[19:15] <Celerity> hypermist, nope. it don't ship to India :(
[19:15] <hypermist> Celerity, bugger maybe pimoroni
[19:15] <ThePendulum> I guess they had to strive for zero use :p
[19:15] <Celerity> will check.
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[19:17] <ThePendulum> hypermist: isn't that just 1kB/s? :P
[19:17] <hypermist> ThePendulum, yes
[19:17] <hypermist> which is horrible
[19:17] <ThePendulum> how are we going to get it
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[19:17] <ThePendulum> it's 3 minutes for me
[19:17] <ThePendulum> I could put it on a Dutch server
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[19:18] <shauno> yeah, I could put it in germany or london. which isn't much better.
[19:18] <hypermist> yea no ThePendulum thats worse
[19:18] <hypermist> xD
[19:18] <ThePendulum> izzit
[19:18] <shauno> I thought aws had some magic that was meant to make things available closer
[19:18] <hypermist> USA has 100ms ping to LA. but to Frankfurt, its like 300+
[19:18] <hypermist> xD
[19:19] <Celerity> whoa
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[19:19] <ThePendulum> does ping really matter that much for a download?
[19:19] <hypermist> shauno, PFFT
[19:19] <Celerity> pimoroni needs 27GBP to ship to my place.
[19:19] <hypermist> ThePendulum, for my shotty internet yes :(
[19:19] <niston> Bilby you there?
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[19:19] <ThePendulum> I didn't think ping affected download speed much
[19:20] <Bilby> niston: eh, kinda? :P
[19:20] <niston> Bilby: http://imgur.com/a/iru31
[19:20] <hypermist> but atleast they ship to your right Celerity ;D?
[19:20] <niston> arent them speakers gorgeous looking?
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[19:20] <Celerity> hypermist, touche
[19:21] <ThePendulum> hypermist: shouldn't the download be complete by now?>
[19:21] <hypermist> why do those look so sonos like niston
[19:21] <hypermist> ThePendulum, no?
[19:21] <Bilby> wow, yes
[19:21] <ThePendulum> hypermist: I mean I got it already
[19:21] <niston> hypermist: its more like, sonos looks like them - they're from 1986 !!
[19:21] <hypermist> ThePendulum, it was dowloading at 1kb/s
[19:21] <Bilby> are they stainless or is that just a shell? linear drivers?
[19:21] <hypermist> niston, touche
[19:21] <Celerity> hypermist <- reminds me of the hyperblast level name from UT
[19:21] <niston> Bilby: restoration is project (almost) finished
[19:21] * Bilby touchy da hypermist
[19:22] <ThePendulum> oh it's taking a significant amount of time to upload to my VPS for some reason though
[19:22] <ThePendulum> how the hell did that download so fast
[19:22] <hypermist> i've got someone in canada getting it for me
[19:22] <niston> project is* ... meh haha
[19:22] <hypermist> Bilby, o;
[19:22] <hypermist> *goes to preist to say where Bilby touched me*
[19:22] <hypermist> Celerity, unreal torument ?
[19:23] <Celerity> yep
[19:23] <hypermist> (excuse my horrible spelling)
[19:23] <Bilby> niston: even for 80s hi-fi speakers those are unusual
[19:23] <Bilby> lol
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[19:23] <niston> yep very :)
[19:23] <hypermist> Celerity, thought so :D
[19:23] <niston> would you like to know more? look up "beovox penta" :P
[19:23] <Celerity> that's a game I've not played in a long time
[19:24] <hypermist> same here
[19:24] <hypermist> gah i feel so ill :|
[19:25] <Bilby> ah, Bang & Olufsen when they weren't just a marquee brand
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[19:26] <Bilby> and powered? whoa. these are serious oddballs
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[19:30] <shauno> I keep looking at some new speakers, but I can't get my head past the fact that all the reviews sound like they're making words up as they go along
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[19:31] <niston> Bilby: those I have are passive
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[19:31] <niston> but yeah theres an active version called "beolab"
[19:31] <niston> with all b&o speakrs, beolab => active, beovox => passive
[19:32] <ricksl> so i have a question, what exactly does the bcm "core" control, i know you can set the gpu frequencies independently of the core frequency. so what does it do for you?
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[19:35] <Bilby> niston: makes total sense
[19:36] <ricksl> on the new pi3 there is still that persistent serial glitch, the only way to fix it is to fix the "core" frequency, if you fix it at the max value all the time it uses more power and runs warmer. so I am wondering if you can fix the core frequency at something low and then manually set the graphics processor portion of the chip to their normal settings
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[19:38] <hypermist> Finally i managed to submit the order at dirtypcbs
[19:38] <hypermist> xD
[19:38] <hypermist> atleast i'll have 10 prototype boards
[19:39] <k_j> what is the name of the piece/block of material/component upon which i can mount a servo motor? it is used a kind of pedestal
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[19:41] <k_j> forget my question
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[19:48] <wire11> whats that config menu you bring up to use all available space on the SD?
[19:48] <wire11> raspberry something
[19:48] <wire11> Can't remember / find it on google
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[19:49] <ricksl> raspi-config
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[19:49] <wire11> thanks ricksl, was on the tip of my tounge
[19:50] <ricksl> yeah, sometimes these utilities have confusing and inconsistent names, like the firmware tool is rpi-update. i thought it was raspi-update forever
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[19:58] <wire11> Adding that as an alias ^^
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[20:11] <michael33> ok i just lost my data
[20:11] <michael33> these are the moments when i hate having a pi
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[20:12] <pwillard> michael33: I feel your pain
[20:12] <ricksl> what happened? didn't shutdown properly? bane of my existence i swear
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[20:12] <michael33> i had a nice keyserver config, been working on it for 2 weeks and everything worked like a charm
[20:12] <michael33> untill i accidently removed power supply
[20:13] <michael33> i wrote a custom shell script which took most of the time
[20:13] <michael33> all gone
[20:13] <michael33> linux internals cant read the system partition
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[20:16] <pwillard> I always do code dumps for this very reason
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[20:21] <michael33> anyway i could retrieve th files using a windows pc?
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[20:30] <ThePendulum> wait
[20:31] <ThePendulum> python, does it even have ;
[20:31] <ThePendulum> I keep putting them
[20:33] <Encrypt> Nope
[20:33] <Encrypt> ThePendulum, Normally, only indentation counts
[20:33] <ThePendulum> yeah
[20:34] <ThePendulum> #python has a interpreter written specifically to convert single line python to its proper form
[20:34] <ThePendulum> for their bot
[20:34] <ThePendulum> since you can't really use python normally in IRC
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[20:43] <Zardoz> cool I was able to get an evo+ card for $12
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[20:47] <Zardoz> going to test if the random read/writes are better compared to the pros
[20:48] <ThePendulum> nice
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[20:51] <Zardoz> from what I been reading they are a little better at it. but the pros have better thourput.
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[20:51] <Zardoz> I think random would be better on pi...
[20:52] <Zardoz> enless you are copy big files all the time...
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[21:06] <Zardoz> http://imgur.com/MHP7cgy heheh
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[21:07] <ThePendulum> what's the difference>
[21:07] <Zardoz> dont know have not tested yet
[21:08] <ThePendulum> oh haha thought it was a 'real vs chinese knock-off' kind of picture
[21:08] <Zardoz> no its real
[21:08] <Zardoz> I just got 2 of them
[21:08] <bberg> Congrats?
[21:08] <bberg> :)
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[21:10] <Zardoz> so I should be good on SD cards for some time...
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[21:22] <GrandPa-G> be carefull with cheap cards. Many are not really the size they say. That is a big scam deal.
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[21:23] <GrandPa-G> Does anyone know if firmware can get corrupted? I am having strange issues with ethernet that can't be eplained except by hardware failures or something else. I am grasping for answers.
[21:23] <SpeedEvil> In principle, sure.
[21:23] <SpeedEvil> What issues?
[21:24] <SpeedEvil> You do know the ethernet is shared with USB?
[21:24] <SpeedEvil> What are you doing with the USB
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[21:29] <GrandPa-G> it works for about 5 minutes, then there is a message that eth0:departed and wlan0:departed. Then the pi hangs. It used to work
[21:32] <GRiZL0C> Zardoz: DO you know for sure your MicroSD cards are genuine made in korea ones? I saw many fake ones on amazon as long as they are cheap its mostly a chinese or taiwanese fake ones
[21:32] <Zardoz> GRiZL0C: yes they are real....
[21:33] <Zardoz> also got them local
[21:33] <GRiZL0C> i have microsd's 1 64GB kingston 1 64GB samsung and also a 32GB samsung
[21:34] <Zardoz> from what all my finding the samsung 32GB evo+ are the best over all in the pi3
[21:35] <GRiZL0C> they have a 48MByte/s read write rating or was it 48Mbits i'm not sure
[21:35] <Zardoz> the new ones had a 80MB/s read and 20MB/s write
[21:36] <Zardoz> but they are really good random profrmance. compared to anything else. even the Pros.
[21:37] <GRiZL0C> yeah
[21:37] <Zardoz> the Pros are slower and random, but are close.
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[21:38] <Zardoz> I would consider the Pros good at both, but evo+ generly better for the pi
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[21:39] <Zardoz> the slight OC I did on the controller gave it a nice little bump.
[21:40] <Zardoz> about 10 to 15%
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[21:40] <Zardoz> and thats a good bump
[21:41] <Zardoz> it been stable all day.
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[21:42] <Zardoz> I am doing a lot of reading on pi3 OC. and will most like try some of that as well.
[21:42] <Gators> Anyone here know anything about setting up retropie?
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[21:50] <bberg> Anyone around familiar with BlueZ and python?
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[22:48] <daey> im trying to compile something for an cortex M4 on a raspberry. Apparently im missing a library. At least im getting this error during the process: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lnosys
[22:48] <daey> ANY idea which package contains this library? i can find next to nothing about it
[22:48] <bekks> Do you have a compiler which is capable of generating cortex m4 code?
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[22:50] <mlelstv> http://www.sourceware.org/newlib/info.html
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[22:51] <mlelstv> http://www.sourceware.org/newlib/download.html
[22:52] <daey> bekks: thanks. solved. i knowingly put the wrong compiler into the makefile...
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[23:34] <michael33> k i managed to recover the sd card (still wont boot) but when i try to access a file from another linux install it says permission denied
[23:35] <michael33> any way i can fix this?
[23:36] <ShorTie> short of a wipe-n-reload ??
[23:36] <michael33> what do you mean?
[23:37] <ShorTie> write a new image to the sdcard
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[23:37] <GRiZL0C> sd card formatter enable format size adjustment:on and quickformat it
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[23:38] <michael33> i can read from the sd card, but i cant boot it in raspberry
[23:38] <michael33> i mounted it to my ubuntu installation on pc
[23:38] <ShorTie> wriing an image is normally a good enough format
[23:38] <michael33> i dont know why i should do that?
[23:39] <ShorTie> cause the file system is trashed
[23:39] <ShorTie> most likely do to poor power
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