#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2016-05-16

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[0:22] <jq-> What's the fastest booting pi 3 distro?
[0:23] <jq-> I want to use my pi as my music player for my car, but don't want something that takes a minute to boot before I can get music to play.
[0:23] * ozzzy just plugs the 64G mp3 player into the cars stereo
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[0:24] <jq-> Well I have a video input module for my car
[0:24] <jq-> So visually it'll look cool too :P
[0:25] <ozzzy> I hear ya
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[0:25] <ozzzy> I just haven't found any rpi projects that weren't reinventing wheels I have
[0:25] <ozzzy> [sigh]
[0:26] <jq-> I'm thinking openelec unless there's a better option for a mediacenter?
[0:26] <jq-> Haven't messed with a pi since my original pi 1
[0:26] <jq-> Now I just got a pi 3
[0:26] <GRiZL0C> congrats
[0:29] <Encrypt> jq-, A handmade Linux from scratch :]
[0:30] <GrandPa-G> is there a way to change screen resolution without a reboot. I know how to change /boot/config.txt
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[0:30] <jq-> Encrypt: Aint nobody got time fo dat
[0:31] <Encrypt> x)
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[0:31] <jq-> How could I make openelec play music on boot o.O
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[0:33] <exonormal> you mean like windhoes?
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[0:33] <jq-> exonormal: Lol wut?
[0:34] <exonormal> like windows does when it boots up plays a chime or two
[0:34] <jq-> Ohhh, no. To play music on a usb drive.
[0:34] <jq-> Through kodi on openelec
[0:34] <exonormal> I see...
[0:35] <exonormal> I used to have a win PC that played the Munster's fog horn on boot
[0:35] <Encrypt> jq-, I'm sure you can write a simple bash script to play music
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[0:35] <Encrypt> Directly from aplay
[0:35] <Encrypt> That would start on boot
[0:35] <Encrypt> Easy
[0:36] <jq-> I want the visuals of kodi though for the screen in the car
[0:36] <jq-> Aplay would just play in the background"?
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[0:37] <Encrypt> Yeah
[0:37] <Encrypt> But you can display the title in the console :]
[0:37] <Encrypt> Or via an LCD screen!
[0:37] <jq-> :P
[0:38] <jq-> I want visualizations!
[0:38] <jq-> Prety pretty visualizations
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[0:38] <shauno> while you're driving?
[0:38] <jq-> shauno: Ummmmm duh
[0:38] <jq-> :P
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[0:40] <Encrypt> eh eh x)
[0:40] <jq-> State law is you can't watch video while moving :P
[0:41] <jq-> Let there be visualizations!
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[0:43] <kristina> http://crna.cc/SAL6Q0mp5OPApmX
[0:43] <kristina> no more proprietary blobs :D
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[0:44] <kristina> can successfully start up ARM and run the next stage loader from there, still within bootcode.bin: http://crna.cc/F0tO4j3atR7RL2B
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[0:58] <jq-> I need a router in my car now o.O
[0:58] <jq-> I want to be able to airplay
[0:58] <jq-> Lol
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[0:59] <GrandPa-G> getting lots of conflicting info. If I want a script to run after pi user logins, where do I put the script?
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[1:01] <shauno> usually ~/.bashrc - but this might not be conflicting. there's many ways to acheive the same goal
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[1:03] <GrandPa-G> the first line of that file states "executed for non-login shells"
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[1:08] <shauno> that's .. kinda true and kinda not :)
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[1:09] <shauno> if you lookin ~/.profile, which is run for login shell, they source .bashrc in there
[1:10] <shauno> so it should be .bash_profile, .bash_login or .profile (one of, in that order) for login and .bashrc for interactive. but .profile sources .bashrc to ease pointless confusion
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[1:12] <Berg> put scripts where you like and tell etc/rc.local to run them GrandPa-G
[1:12] <GrandPa-G> would I just put a reference to my script at the end of .bashrc?
[1:12] <shauno> that's probably easiest
[1:12] <GrandPa-G> Berg: that makes them run Before login.
[1:13] <Berg> you can also put a folder called autostart in .config
[1:13] <Berg> thats should make them work after log in
[1:13] <shauno> I think autostart is a gui thing?
[1:14] <GrandPa-G> sorry, should have mentioned that gui is a requirement for my script to run, thus the need to wait for login
[1:14] <shauno> aha. then yeah, either that or xinitrc would be more useful
[1:14] <Berg> https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-raspberry-pi-lesson-7-remote-control-with-vnc/running-vncserver-at-startup
[1:15] <Berg> that should boot after login
[1:15] <shauno> (and this is why you'll find 'conflicting' information. many ways to handle many scenarios)
[1:15] <Berg> it runs in your home folder
[1:15] <Berg> i use that to start vnc and i expect you can run outher things
[1:16] <GrandPa-G> Berg: if I use .config, does it just run any file in the folder or is there a special name?
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[1:17] <Berg> well that example runs a program thats installed but i cant see why uou cvaNT run any file anywhere on the pi if the path is correct
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[1:26] <GrandPa-G> I have had success of adding my script path to /home/pi/.config/lxsession/LXDE-pi/audostart
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[1:26] <Berg> excellent
[1:27] <GrandPa-G> That should ensure gui is running
[1:27] <Berg> thats good to know
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[1:28] <GrandPa-G> I am hoping, and looks true that putting & will run my script in background so I can run several independent scripts.
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[1:28] <Berg> there should be documentation on .desktop methods
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[1:30] <Berg> http://www.raspberry-projects.com/pi/pi-operating-systems/raspbian/gui/desktop-shortcuts
[1:31] <bberg> Anyone know why I'd get "Sap driver initializatin failed. sap-server: Operation not permittied (1)" when checking bluetooth status?
[1:34] <stiv> forget the 'sudo' ?
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[1:37] <bberg> stiv: nah, its there. wuick googling makes it seem like it irrelevent :( thought i was onto something
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[1:53] <GrandPa-G> If I do a sudo python foo.py >x.log, does x.log get any terminal output put in or does it just get sudo output, which is nothing? I want the python terminal info
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[1:55] <Berg> use logging in your python program
[1:55] <Berg> it should work from there
[1:56] <GrandPa-G> ya, but... the program is long and was given to me. Really am lazy and don't want to go back and change a bunch of stuff.
[1:56] <stiv> try it and see!
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[1:57] <Berg> https://docs.python.org/2/library/logging.html
[1:57] <Berg> well if you spend the tim e you reap the profit
[1:57] <Berg> python rocks
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[2:04] <GrandPa-G> Berg: guilt me into it.
[2:05] <Berg> :)
[2:05] <jberhow> hello, I have my pi set up to where I can ssh into it with an ethernet cable via windows using a dynamic ip. Now I would like to also do that in arch linux as well, but I can only find documentation for static ip
[2:05] <jberhow> also, I am new to networking in general which is another impedement
[2:06] <Berg> make you pi static ip from router
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[2:09] <stiv> pretty much the same thing. ssh pi@your_pi_address
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[2:10] <jberhow> stiv: so i should be able to just ssh in huh?
[2:11] <jberhow> that must mean something else is wrong that I have to track down
[2:11] <jberhow> Berg: if it comes down to it, I can give it a static ip via cmdline.txt
[2:11] <stiv> how were you getting IP before?
[2:12] <jberhow> stiv: it was set in cmdline.txt to an address in the 169 range
[2:12] <jberhow> that somehow allowed my windows box to ssh into it with dynamic addressing set in its ipv4 properties
[2:13] <jberhow> all i know is this 169.254.x.x magic allows for dynamic ip addressed computers and 192.168.x.x for static
[2:13] <jberhow> to connect
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[2:15] <jberhow> https://pihw.wordpress.com/guides/direct-network-connection/
[2:15] <jberhow> This was the guide I used for windows
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[2:24] <Smeef> new pi zero looks like it has a camera connector http://imgur.com/yRGe4SX
[2:26] <CoJaBo> ..doesn't seem like enough pins?
[2:27] <CoJaBo> heh, I need to take a pic of mine; it's even more lol than this http://i.imgur.com/d5dmNXJ.jpg
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[2:43] <exonormal> lol, just a few wires stuck in a box?
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[2:47] <Berg> the wires stuck in a box trick
[2:48] <exonormal> lol, thot so...
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[2:52] <Hitechcg> CoJaBo: Now that case is truly ingenious
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[2:57] <ricksl> what case is that? I just got here and now im curious
[2:57] <Hitechcg> <CoJaBo> heh, I need to take a pic of mine; it's even more lol than this http://i.imgur.com/d5dmNXJ.jpg
[2:57] <WrinkledCheese_> I am trying to compile Android 6 for Raspberry Pi. I've got Eclipse set up and I've got a Raspberry Pi buildable source tree checked out from Github. I made my edits to support eh KeDei touchscreen I have.
[2:58] <WrinkledCheese_> Setting up the crosscompiler toolchain for a Raspberry Pi doesn't matter if it's Raspbian nor Android, correct?
[2:58] <WrinkledCheese_> I've only ever set up an Arm cross compiler once a decade ago for some cheap router.
[3:01] <michael33> can i use mini sd adapters in a raspi?
[3:01] <exonormal> yes
[3:01] <WrinkledCheese_> Using a micro in a Raspberry Pi 1?
[3:01] <michael33> yes
[3:01] <michael33> 1B
[3:02] <exonormal> yes
[3:02] <michael33> thx
[3:02] <WrinkledCheese_> Should be able to. I use 2x32GB micros in my PSP using an adapter for the Sony proprietary MSPro flash cards
[3:02] <michael33> no speedlimits or anything that can cause trouble?
[3:02] <exonormal> as long as the micro SD is not bigger than what the pi can handle
[3:02] <WrinkledCheese_> Which is?
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[3:03] <exonormal> I wouldn't go over 16 gb
[3:03] <exonormal> you can look up the limits on the pi site
[3:04] <Hitechcg> I don't think there's a size limit
[3:04] <exonormal> but yes, you can use micro SD in adapter to go in Pi ver 1
[3:04] <Hitechcg> At least 32 works, and I'm willing to bet it's limited only by the SD card sizes available today
[3:05] <WrinkledCheese_> I just ordered 6 16GB from China for $40 as I'm ramping up a project. Hopefully I can get this touchscreen working tonight on Android on my Pi.
[3:06] <WrinkledCheese_> I'm glad it's at least 16GB
[3:06] <WrinkledCheese_> I'm really looking forward to saying Jarvis and my Pi talking back accepting commands.
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[3:07] <WrinkledCheese_> Literally going to copy audio from the movie instead of playing the GOogle Now bing sound.
[3:08] <WrinkledCheese_> Read up on the Toolchain on github...it's already compiled apparently. I'm hoping it works.
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[3:55] <jrg> i really feel like getting a bananapi
[3:55] <Chryodem> �jrg�: this is all i could think of when you said that https://www.reddit.com/r/networking/comments/41j04h/wifi_guest_access_you_gotta_touch_the_banana
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[4:17] <WrinkledCheese_> So far the cross compiler hasn't died. 18%. I know I can use the -j flag on FreeBSD to speed things up significantly. I'll give it a shot once I know the toolchain is working.
[4:17] <kristina> if anyone cares: https://github.com/christinaa/rpi-open-firmware
[4:17] * WrinkledCheese_ looks
[4:17] <kristina> it's an open source bootcode.bin
[4:17] <kristina> that starts arm
[4:18] <kristina> people have been crying over that for ages
[4:18] <kristina> so i did it
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[4:18] <WrinkledCheese_> Sounds awesome. A little over my head.
[4:19] <WrinkledCheese_> Kicks off the processor? I have no idea how any of that stuff works. It's interesting though!
[4:19] <kristina> bootcode.bin and start.elf are closed source
[4:19] <kristina> people have been crying about it for as long as rpi existed
[4:20] <kristina> they wanted a minimal firmware that started ARM
[4:20] <Berg> good job
[4:20] <kristina> broadcom promised it in 2014 and never delivered
[4:20] <kristina> said it would be a lot of work
[4:20] <Berg> i have no idea what it does but if open source its always good
[4:20] <WrinkledCheese_> Oh, a broadcom decision.
[4:20] <kristina> no i'm not from broadcom
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[4:21] <WrinkledCheese_> It's been quite some time since I looked at Broadcom's open source policy, because it was stupid before. Same reason why FreeBSD drivers suck
[4:21] <WrinkledCheese_> That's awesome!
[4:22] <WrinkledCheese_> I'm working on getting an el cheapo touchscreen driver ported from Rasbian to Android.
[4:22] <WrinkledCheese_> for Pi
[4:22] <Berg> All other code released under GPLv2+
[4:22] <Berg> good show
[4:22] <WrinkledCheese_> but bootcode sounds a lot cooler!
[4:24] <WrinkledCheese_> This is one of those things I imagine would be on the Raspberry Pi news pages!
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[4:31] <WrinkledCheese_> Apparently I've been waiting for Eclipse to index the entirety of the Android 6.0 OS source code...not make all.
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[5:17] <bberg> Trying to connect (anything) to bluetooth dongle on rpi with 0 success. Any tips?
[5:18] <methuzla> 'dongle', so not a pi3?
[5:18] <bberg> rpi2
[5:18] <methuzla> what have you done/tried so far?
[5:19] <bberg> Well I've tried and successfully paired
[5:19] <bberg> but it won't connect
[5:19] <bberg> via Bluetooth Manager and via bluetoothctl
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[5:20] <methuzla> what are you trying to pair?
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[5:20] <bberg> End goal is a wii balance board, but right now i'm trying a speaker or phone
[5:21] <methuzla> got a wii remote?
[5:21] <bberg> not on me :/
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[5:25] <bberg> woooof. Progress.. weird!
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[5:28] <bberg> finally got it to connect for a second, no sound yet.. but progress
[5:28] <methuzla> how is connect different from pairing?
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[5:29] <bberg> not sure - RPI says it's paired.. but nothing happens on the speaker. When it 'connects' the speaker acknowledges it
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[5:30] <methuzla> testing with an audio device may not be the best approach
[5:31] <methuzla> getting it to pair/connect may be one thing, getting audio to now go over the bt connection may be another
[5:31] <bberg> methuzla: goal is - http://makezine.com/projects/create-raspberry-pi-smart-beer-fridge/
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[5:32] <methuzla> a fitness device used to measure beer fridge status?
[5:33] <methuzla> do you have the wiiboard?
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[5:34] <ricksl> those wiiboards were the coolest and most useless things to ever come out for the wii
[5:35] <bberg> methuzla: yes, i do
[5:35] <methuzla> have you tried the python example in the tutorial?
[5:36] <bberg> yea, get an error :( so i wanted to make sure my dongle worked
[5:36] <methuzla> sounds like the dongle is working
[5:36] <methuzla> what error?
[5:37] <bberg> Well - i am able to manually connect to the board, so that's good :)
[5:38] <bberg> 114, 'Operation already in progress')
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[5:39] <DoYouKnow> bberg: interesting. I was looking for a scale to control from my computers. How accurate is the wii board scale?
[5:40] <DoYouKnow> what I'd really like is a scale/torsion balance accurate to 10^-6 to experiment with tidal measurements
[5:40] <DoYouKnow> it may be more interesting than using an accelerometer
[5:42] <methuzla> bberg, do you get that error right away? with nothing else printed?
[5:43] <bberg> I'll redo it
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[5:45] <bberg> www.pastebin.ca/3601087
[5:46] <bberg> DoYouKnow: sorry, not sure m8
[5:47] <bberg> methuzla: brb in 5. sorry
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[5:56] <bberg> methuzla: any ideas?
[5:56] <WrinkledCheese_> I feel like there is an instruction I'm missing which is causing me to download all branches of all version of android...
[5:57] <methuzla> bberg, not yet
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[6:00] <methuzla> bberg, do you have hcitool installed? (command line util)
[6:00] <bberg> yes
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[6:09] <methuzla> i wonder if the GUI is running interference
[6:10] <methuzla> it may have processes running that are also trying to pair, in addition to the python script
[6:10] <bberg> possibly.. not sure :/
[6:11] <methuzla> i don't think it's your dongle though, it's seeing the address, so it's talking
[6:11] <WrinkledCheese_> Is anyone able to shed some light on these READMEs? https://github.com/peyo-hd/device_brcm_rpi2 They seem as if they're partially complete.
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[6:12] <WrinkledCheese_> Following the instructions, including the non-command insctructions, like read it first and install gcc-arm....
[6:12] <WrinkledCheese_> I appear to be stuck on step 1 of downloading all android source since the beginning of time
[6:13] <WrinkledCheese_> I need to customize a kernel with less than 50 lines of code but I'm stuck on trying to figure out these :you know what you doing so why am I even writing this README" instructions
[6:14] <bberg> methuzla: if i try to discable the gui, I can't connect/scan anything from bluetoothctl
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[6:15] <bberg> methuzla: may just download an older rasbian in the morning... but i have same error on the Ubuntu Mate laptop :/
[6:15] <methuzla> bberg, what if you boot to command line and try to run the python script?
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[6:16] <bberg> mind walking me thru that/
[6:16] <bberg> i'm connected via VNC atm
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[6:17] <jrg> anybody running an odroid xu4?
[6:17] <jrg> seems pretty beastly as well
[6:18] <methuzla> bberg, so no monitor connected to pi?
[6:18] <bberg> methuzla: none
[6:18] <methuzla> do you know how to connect via ssh?
[6:20] <bberg> yea
[6:20] <bberg> i'm in.
[6:21] <methuzla> you can set default boot option in raspi-config
[6:21] <bberg> I stopped VNC and am in SSH.
[6:22] <methuzla> trying running script now
[6:24] <bberg> same :/
[6:25] <methuzla> sorry. not sure then.
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[6:26] <bberg> all good - bed time anyway
[6:26] <bberg> thanks for trying
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[6:29] <Jinxit> is it possible/sensible to use the QPU and NEON at the same time for more compute power? (on the rpi 3)
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[6:56] <hypermist> lightning storms are fun
[6:57] <oq> outside or inside?
[6:57] <hypermist> outside'
[6:57] <hypermist> Thank god they're not inside
[6:57] <hypermist> that'd be a problem
[6:58] <hypermist> mind you with 50m ethernet hanging in mid air outside
[6:58] <hypermist> it could make a nice grounding
[6:59] <oq> hypermist: italian?
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[6:59] <hypermist> oq, ?
[7:00] <oq> Hitechcg: albanian?
[7:00] <oq> hypermist:*
[7:00] <hypermist> WHAT? does italian have to do with anything
[7:01] <oq> just looking at https://www.lightningmaps.org/blitzortung/europe/index.php?lang=
[7:01] <hypermist> look in newzealand lol
[7:01] <oq> ah
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[7:23] <Crom> hypermist, you get the rpi3 and 0's up and running?
[7:23] <hypermist> got pi3 up and running
[7:24] <hypermist> and well sooner or later once i get the parts a pi0 will be a hand held gaming console using retropie
[7:24] <hypermist> :D
[7:24] <Crom> nice!
[7:24] <Crom> pi3 is pretty darn quick isn't it?
[7:24] <hypermist> i bought some dirtypcb's, i havent played with it much
[7:24] <hypermist> Feel like crap lol :\
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[7:25] <hypermist> so now the only things im missing for the project is probably a pifft screen
[7:26] <hypermist> and the 1000C from adafruit
[7:26] <hypermist> pitFT *
[7:26] <hypermist> is the screens name
[7:26] <hypermist> https://www.adafruit.com/products/2315 time will take. to get that
[7:26] <giddles> an odrioid xu3 is quick ;)
[7:26] <hypermist> because i ran out of cash now :(
[7:26] <giddles> eh xu4
[7:26] <hypermist> im legit broke atm
[7:26] <hypermist> xD
[7:27] <hypermist> s000n it'll be done
[7:27] <Crom> ditto... waiting for Tuesday.. I have a check hit on the 16th or 17th depending on the computers
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[7:28] <hypermist> heh
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[7:28] <hypermist> I have no idea how to solder so lol :D
[7:29] <Crom> then I have to wait for the first... this 16th check is ALL spoken for
[7:29] <hypermist> dang Crom
[7:30] <Crom> I think I have enough left on this 16th to mail some stuff to you though
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[7:31] <hypermist> I dont want you to be sending things if you can't afford it Crom
[7:32] <Crom> I can afford it.. just slows down my ebay purchases a bit and I have to do more work around the house
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[7:33] <hypermist> then you really can't afford it
[7:34] <Crom> I have a $325 check on the 16th and it's $115.86 for phones, $75 for my stepdaughter, and I have to get some more parts for the NEOpixel rings for the Steam Punk Goggles...
[7:34] <oq> neat, a camera connector on the new pi zero, http://i.imgur.com/YiQw71t.jpg
[7:36] <hypermist> heh
[7:36] <Crom> oq, originationg website?
[7:36] <hypermist> thats semi useless for some ;D
[7:36] <Crom> nice phoneshop
[7:36] <sir_galahad_ad> o/
[7:37] <raspberrypifan> new pi?
[7:37] <oq> crom: it's from adafruits product page
[7:37] <Crom> 0+ ?
[7:38] <oq> Crom: https://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/4ji2lq/pi_zero_v13_image_possibly_indicating_new_feature/
[7:39] <raspberrypifan> hmm
[7:39] <raspberrypifan> is it still microhdmi
[7:39] <oq> hopefully the pihut wasn't messing with us when they hinted the pi zeroes were coming today (monday)
[7:40] <raspberrypifan> why dont they put some real usb on it
[7:41] <oq> because it's supposed to be a low profile device
[7:41] <oq> if you wanted something thick you'd get a regular pi
[7:41] <raspberrypifan> but
[7:41] <hypermist> pi0's are meant to be tiny yes they're cheap because they're tiny, and otg's and such are probably easier to buy then having to wait for full sized everything
[7:42] <raspberrypifan> it makes harder to use
[7:42] <oq> raspberrypifan: and it's not really an issue with those things, https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0174/1800/products/usb-shim-1_1024x1024.jpg?v=1448531599
[7:42] <hypermist> not really.
[7:42] <raspberrypifan> extra cables
[7:42] <raspberrypifan> and what not
[7:42] <hypermist> I ahve all the parts because everything i buy seems to liek to come with otg
[7:42] <hypermist> xDD
[7:42] <raspberrypifan> convertor
[7:42] <hypermist> and you can get those all from places like aliexpress ;D!
[7:42] <raspberrypifan> at lesat they should add regular hdmi
[7:43] <hypermist> then it wouldn't be low profile
[7:43] <hypermist> Just get a pi2 or pi3 if you want regualr hdmi
[7:43] <raspberrypifan> blah
[7:43] <raspberrypifan> i have all of them
[7:43] <raspberrypifan> i keep buying
[7:43] <raspberrypifan> them to support the foundation
[7:43] <raspberrypifan> rarely do i use them lol
[7:44] <hypermist> i have 3pi0's now because of Crom, but i have barely enough money to do 1 project i just spent 16$ or so on items just for the project and now im out of money :D!
[7:44] <oq> I'm probably going to replace my pi3 ip camera with a zero if motion runs well on it
[7:44] <Berg> raspberrypifan: send them to MEEE!!!
[7:44] <raspberrypifan> why
[7:44] <oq> I do with the zero had built-in wifi though, it would be infinitely more useful
[7:44] <oq> *wish
[7:45] <Berg> cuase your not using them and im poor!
[7:45] <raspberrypifan> im poorer then u r
[7:45] <Berg> I know a kid that lost his pet dog and needs a pi to replace it!
[7:45] <hypermist> i have 1$ in my whole account ..
[7:45] <hypermist> Whoops
[7:45] <raspberrypifan> i have negative
[7:45] <raspberrypifan> Berg: pi dog?
[7:45] <hypermist> I bet im going to get -10$ soon in my bank
[7:45] <hypermist> for my debit card ._.
[7:46] <Berg> My mum left me on the side of the road and a pi would make me feel better!
[7:46] <hypermist> thaaaats going to be an interesting time
[7:46] <Crom> monday morning my account goes to <$20 cuz car insurance hits...
[7:46] <raspberrypifan> rich ppl
[7:46] <raspberrypifan> with cars
[7:46] <raspberrypifan> and food
[7:46] <oq> Crom: do you have an overdraft?
[7:47] <Crom> yes/no
[7:47] <Berg> I have no car no food no house and a pi would make my life complrete!
[7:47] <raspberrypifan> !=
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[7:47] <Crom> they charge me $34 for each overdraft
[7:47] <raspberrypifan> disable it
[7:47] <Berg> buy a pi
[7:47] <raspberrypifan> service overdraft stop
[7:47] <Crom> I don't want to go there again
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[7:48] <Crom> Berg where you at?
[7:48] <Berg> wooden knickle bank?
[7:48] <oq> Crom: ehh, if you take out the overdraft in advance they shouldn't fee you like that
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[7:48] <Berg> ha im playing i live in the richest country in the world
[7:48] <oq> china?
[7:48] <Crom> oh Brunei?
[7:48] <Berg> i have a pi3 B on order atm
[7:49] <Berg> greece?
[7:49] <Berg> nar australia
[7:49] <oq> wot
[7:49] <Berg> i have kangarooo steaks under the tree for dinner tonight
[7:49] <Crom> nice
[7:50] <Crom> I had a cheese sandwich
[7:50] <Berg> waiting on wife to get back with the b ox of matches to light the firr
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[7:50] <Berg> fire
[7:50] <Crom> start rubbing two sticks together
[7:50] <Berg> she left 2 days ago should be back soon
[7:50] <Crom> or get out the 100mw laser pointer
[7:51] <Berg> taxi service is normaly pretty good out this way
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[7:51] <Crom> hmmm rpi0 v1.3 removed some test points and there is a bunch of passthru's around the JTag connector
[7:54] <Crom> imgur.com/yRGe4SX looking at the left side.. you can see a connector over hanging the board
[7:54] <oq> yes.. the camera connector
[7:55] <oq> you've forgotten about that other image already crom?
[7:55] <Crom> no I haven't... I was looking at the assthrus on the back
[7:56] <Crom> s/ass/pass/
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[7:58] <Crom> hmm cdn-shop.adafruit.com....
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[8:02] <Crom> https://cdn-shop.adafruit.com/310x233/2885-02.jpg
[8:03] <Crom> https://cdn-shop.adafruit.com/310x233/2885-01.jpg
[8:03] <Crom> https://cdn-shop.adafruit.com/310x233/2885-03.jpg
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[8:04] <Crom> https://cdn-shop.adafruit.com/310x233/2885-04.jpg https://cdn-shop.adafruit.com/310x233/2885-05.jpg
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[8:04] <Crom> NICE
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[8:04] <Crom> https://cdn-shop.adafruit.com/310x233/2885-00.jpg
[8:04] <oq> those are the same images bro
[8:05] <Crom> so 0 thru 6
[8:05] <oq> or do you still think the one I linked earlier was 'photoshopped'?
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[8:06] <Crom> nope... looks real... not to buy one!
[8:06] <Crom> s/not/now/
[8:07] <Crom> 2885 not an item number
[8:08] <hypermist> i get 10$ or so taken
[8:08] <hypermist> IF. i dont pay my debit card fee
[8:08] <hypermist> which means its 2016
[8:08] <hypermist> and its a fee
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[9:26] <Crom> no zero yet
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[9:28] <daveake> 9am
[9:28] <Crom> 9am EST or UTC?
[9:29] <daveake> Neither. BST (UTC+1)
[9:29] <daveake> i.e. in about half an hour
[9:29] <giddles> germany
[9:29] <giddles> :)
[9:29] <Crom> ahhh daylight savings time
[9:29] <Huczas> always was at 9 in pihut
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[9:32] <swift110-phone> hey
[9:34] <Berg> how do you define what position on a monitor a vnc client window opens?
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[9:38] <giddles> has the pi current even if its shutdown @ usb ports?
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[9:39] <daveake> yes
[9:39] <giddles> can i control it?
[9:39] <daveake> no
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[9:39] <giddles> so there is current when i shutdown the pi?
[9:40] <daveake> Worth checking the schematics for questions like that
[9:40] <giddles> 5v
[9:40] <KomputerKid> Hello, I've got an issue sshing into my raspberry pi over wifi
[9:40] <KomputerKid> ssh returns no route to host
[9:40] <Huczas> where do I find schematics for rpi0 or rpi3?
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[9:40] <KomputerKid> even though I know the IP is set, and I can tell its connected because if I plug in a monitor and keyboard and run a ping to google.com it works fine.
[9:41] <KomputerKid> and if I do an ip addr command (raspbian jessie lite) I know it's using the IP I set it to
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[9:41] <KomputerKid> and I know ssh is running, it just isn't getting through
[9:41] <daveake> I found the rpi3 ones with google in a few seconds. Not searched for the zero but they should all be up
[9:41] <KomputerKid> anyone?
[9:41] <giddles> no route no host it says, so its not connected to the network
[9:42] <Crom> you coming in as pi or root?
[9:42] <Huczas> hmm last time when I checked there was'nt for rpi0 :(
[9:42] <Crom> oh ... not ssh then...
[9:42] <Huczas> ok, it looks like they published
[9:42] <Huczas> https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/schematics/Raspberry-Pi-Rev-1.0-Model-AB-Schematics.pdf
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[9:47] <Huczas> ok, this is for A and B version, for rpi0 it seems that they don't provide schematics yet
[9:47] <Huczas> https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/schematics/README.md
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[9:50] <l9> python pigpio question pi.write(17,1) then pi.read(17) returns 0
[9:52] <l9> shouldnt it return 1 since i have put gpio 17 on high?
[9:52] <KomputerKid> giddles: but the thing is it is, if I plug it in to a keyboard and monitor it can ping google and internally, and I can see the IP from the ip addr command
[9:52] <KomputerKid> something isn't right on my main rig then I guess
[9:52] <KomputerKid> which is weird
[9:54] <giddles> i got same problems yesterday ;) forget to enable wifi @ machine i want to ssh in from ;)
[9:56] <giddles> no route no host = no route no host
[9:56] <giddles> :P
[9:57] <giddles> ow i misread it
[9:58] <giddles> no idea sir, sorry
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[10:02] <oq> guys, thepihut has zeros for sale
[10:02] <Roonix> KomputerKid, try it from a different device, you can get ssh apps for smartphones if you don't have another computer
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[10:03] <giddles> if he can ping it
[10:03] <giddles> hmm
[10:04] <Huczas> pi0 is on pihut avaible!!!
[10:04] <Huczas> just ordered :)
[10:04] <Crom> htttps://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/zero-grows-camera-connector/
[10:05] <oq> wtf is htttps?
[10:05] <Crom> bad spelling
[10:05] <Crom> https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/zero-grows-camera-connector/
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[10:06] <KomputerKid> Roonix: yeah gonna try it from my smartphone then
[10:06] <KomputerKid> giddles: I can ping from within the pi
[10:06] <KomputerKid> like
[10:06] <KomputerKid> if I plug in a keyboard and monitor
[10:07] <KomputerKid> and type ping -c 3 www.google.com
[10:07] <KomputerKid> yeah
[10:07] <KomputerKid> workjs
[10:07] <KomputerKid> checked systemctl to see if ssh was disabled and it's not it's running
[10:07] <KomputerKid> checked the ip addr command to see if the IP changed itself, and it's still the IP I set it of
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[10:08] <t3chguy> ali1234: according to Pimoroni the test points have moved
[10:08] <ali1234> yes
[10:08] <ali1234> the USB data points are the same
[10:09] <ali1234> but the power and ground ones have moved
[10:09] <Huczas> You can buy Raspberry Pi Zero in Europe from our friends at The Pi Hut and Pimoroni, and in the US from Adafruit and in-store at your local branch of Micro Center. There are roughly 30,000 new Zeros out there today, and we’ll be making thousands more each day until demand is met.
[10:09] <Huczas> that's nice info :)
[10:09] <t3chguy> Pimoroni has 5000 Zeros in stock atm
[10:10] <oq> ugh 30k is barely anything
[10:10] <ShorTie> better then 0
[10:10] <oq> I wonder if they'll run out stock before the americans wake up
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[10:13] <RaTTuS|BIG> zero on sale usual places
[10:13] <RaTTuS|BIG> and yes CSI camera connector
[10:13] <zerocoo1> I think one of those will work good as a twitter bot for me
[10:14] <RaTTuS|BIG> https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/zero-grows-camera-connector/
[10:14] <mgottschlag> I would have preferred an additional USB pin header instead :)
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[10:14] <Crom> adafruit does NOPT have the camera cable yet
[10:14] <daveake> everyone wants something different
[10:14] <Crom> adafruit does NOT have the camera cable yet
[10:14] <daveake> I got what I wanted so meh :)
[10:15] <RaTTuS|BIG> 30k today will be gone in seconds
[10:18] <Crom> ok 1 from adafruit and 1 from thepihut
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[10:34] <Roonix> Yay I got one :D
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[10:36] <disse> Hey guys, is there a reliable guide for setting up an own initrd script? I've tried it with lots of google tutorials. At boot Raspberry is always complaining about an non-empty initramfs image
[10:36] <disse> I spent hours of googling and trying
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[10:43] <disse> I always get: "rootfs image is not initramfs (junk in compressed archive); looks like an initrd"
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[10:44] <CyberJacob> Does anybody know of a USB Wi-Fi adapter that supports monitor mode on a Pi?
[10:44] <CyberJacob> Strugaling to find one that doesn't use the RTL8188cu chipset
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[10:53] <Berg> maybe try edimax wifi its saying it dont use RTL8188cu
[10:53] <Berg> its a wifi dongle
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[10:57] <CyberJacob> Berg: Do you have a model number for that?
[10:58] <Berg> CyberJacob: there is lots of models
[10:58] <Berg> http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=edimax+wifi&_sop=15
[10:58] <Berg> look at ebay
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[10:59] <Berg> look at amazon plenty
[10:59] <CyberJacob> I looked at the Edimax EW-7811Un, and it does use the RTL8188CUS chipset
[11:00] <Berg> ok i looked and i could not find it mentioned on ebay
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[11:04] <hypermist> im out of money to buy a pi0
[11:04] <hypermist> :_!
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[11:06] <Vostok> you wouldn't get a pi zero even if you had money
[11:06] <mgottschlag> btw, I've just impulse-bought a Seagate Goflex Net... that's a 1.2GHz ARM server with 2x SATA and Gbit ethernet, for 12€ (including shipping), pretty nice :)
[11:07] <hypermist> Vostok, lol
[11:07] <mgottschlag> (ARMv5 though)
[11:07] <Berg> CyberJacob: https://wikidevi.com/wiki/List_of_Wi-Fi_Chipset_Vendors
[11:10] <giddles> ah
[11:10] <giddles> why is youtube not working sometimes?
[11:10] <giddles> on ubuntu mate
[11:10] <hypermist> pihut instock and all are instock with new pi0s :3
[11:15] <RaTTuS|BIG> ew
[11:15] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://whereismypizero.com/
[11:18] <Vostok> where are my $5 pizero-only deals at ebay?
[11:19] <Vostok> not bundles with stupid cases and otg cables
[11:19] <Vostok> and not $20 zeros
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[11:24] <BurtyB> I doub't you're going to find one on ebay any time soon unless someone likes to lose money
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[11:28] <rendar> rasp 3.0 still has SD memory cards right? just like rasp 2.0 or 1.0...
[11:28] <Vostok> microsd
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[11:29] <rendar> Vostok: ok
[11:29] <giddles> rpi3 has bad mounter
[11:29] <rendar> Vostok: any preferred microsd type/brand for rpi3?
[11:29] <giddles> no click system anymore as on rpi2
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[11:38] <Roonix> rendar, well Class 10 micro sd cards would be best
[11:39] <disse> Is anyone here running a working initrd on raspbian?
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[11:39] <ShorTie> ya
[11:39] <disse> Is there a howto you followed?
[11:40] <ShorTie> need the right firmware for it to work
[11:40] <disse> Ok, which?
[11:40] <disse> where to get?
[11:40] <ShorTie> just use raspberry net install for basic system
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[11:40] <disse> and then it will work?
[11:41] <disse> ok, I will try
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[11:41] <ShorTie> i do believe so
[11:41] <disse> and then followkernel will work?
[11:41] <disse> Or added you the addresses?
[11:41] <disse> *did you add the adress to load
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[11:41] <disse> and the adress to store in config.txt
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[11:42] <ShorTie> So So Sorry, no idea on all that stuff
[11:43] <disse> ok, how did you get it working?
[11:43] <disse> or where is your information from?
[11:43] <ShorTie> i just used the install to get it working
[11:43] <ShorTie> this here https://github.com/debian-pi/raspbian-ua-netinst
[11:45] <disse> and whar is your initrd doing?
[11:46] <ShorTie> it's a linux from scratch install
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[11:47] <daveake> Pi Zero 1.3 up in the sky heading for near space - http://tracker.habhub.org/#!mt=roadmap&mz=11&qm=All&f=PI868&q=PI434;PI868 (map) http://ssdv.habhub.org/PI868 (images)
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[11:52] <rendar> Roonix: like samsung EVO microsd?
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[12:01] <oq> I wonder when some pi zero rev2 cases will appear
[12:01] <Vostok> what's rev2?
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[12:02] <oq> Vostok: same as rev1 but with a camera port
[12:03] <Armand> Vostok: https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/zero-grows-camera-connector/
[12:03] <oq> my zero has already shipped
[12:03] <hypermist> yea i cannot buy it oq xDD
[12:04] <hypermist> im outta moneys xD
[12:04] <oq> hypermist: are you a kid?
[12:04] <hypermist> Im a 17year teenager/adult yes ;P
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[12:06] <Vostok> 17 year old adult
[12:06] <Vostok> right
[12:06] <hypermist> Vostok, well 16 is the legal age here :p
[12:07] <Vostok> being younger than 16 is illegal?
[12:07] <oq> Vostok: legal age of consent
[12:08] <hypermist> ^
[12:09] <Vostok> perhaps oq wasn't after your consent :D
[12:09] <oq> it would just be absurd if an adult was whining about not being able to afford a £4 device
[12:09] <oq> how would you even function?
[12:10] <Vostok> it's absurd for a 17 year old too
[12:10] <hypermist> oq, problem is i can't afford anything lol
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[12:10] <hypermist> Vostok, how is it absurd, when its actually really hard to get employment ?
[12:10] <oq> Vostok: 17 year olds can still rely on their parents for most things, food, housing etc
[12:10] <Vostok> do you eat candy or drink beer?
[12:10] <Vostok> oq: yes, obviously
[12:11] <hypermist> i dont eat candy, or drink beer 1, beers disgusting. 2, candy makes me feel sick because of the acidity
[12:11] <oq> u wot
[12:11] <Vostok> what do you use money for?
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[12:11] <hypermist> i dont have money
[12:11] <hypermist> XD
[12:12] <hypermist> when i do
[12:12] <hypermist> its blasted on electronic gadgets xD
[12:12] <gordonDrogon> the new Pi zero is actually rev 1.3 (not that it matters, however)
[12:12] <Vostok> do you eat?
[12:12] <hypermist> semi eat.
[12:13] <Vostok> where do you get the food for semi eating
[12:13] <Vostok> do you eat grass?
[12:13] <hypermist> i live at home with my parents still lol
[12:13] <Vostok> how much money do you get from them
[12:13] <hypermist> none
[12:14] <Vostok> do they eat grass?
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[12:17] <gordonDrogon> Oh, this looks like a fun project - not from a Pi point of view, but historical one. The 6502 is the first processor I wrote assembler for.
[12:17] <gordonDrogon> http://monster6502.com/
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[12:18] <Armand> gordonDrogon: Max. CPU clock rate 1 MHz to 2 MHz.... But does it OC? :D
[12:18] <hypermist> dang huge board haha
[12:19] <Armand> I wouldn't mind building it.. but I wouldn't have the first clue *what* to do with it. :P
[12:19] <gordonDrogon> the original 6502 was a 1Mhz device. the 65c02 pushed it to 2Mhz, but there were other versions that went up to 8Mhz IIRC.
[12:20] <Armand> "The maximum reliable clock rate is not yet determined, but we expect it to be in the tens to hundreds of kilohertz range."
[12:20] <Armand> OhhMahGurrdd..
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[12:21] <gordonDrogon> looks like a great fun project.
[12:21] <Armand> I'm trying to recall another project..
[12:21] <shauno> I just hope they have matching ram
[12:23] <hypermist> I dont think i need any more pi0's currently anyway
[12:23] <hypermist> xD
[12:23] <hypermist> gotta get me the adafruit screen first xD
[12:24] * BurtyB remembers many hours of 6502 machine code on the "emma" board :)
[12:24] <Armand> gordonDrogon: http://megaprocessor.com/
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[12:26] <gordonDrogon> neat. I've seen relay based processors built like that too.
[12:26] <gordonDrogon> BurtyB, emma board?
[12:27] <BurtyB> gordonDrogon, http://www.anf.nildram.co.uk/beebcontrol/arms/atlas/emma.html
[12:29] <gordonDrogon> Gosh.
[12:29] <gordonDrogon> I don't recall ever seeing that.
[12:30] <gordonDrogon> but in the early 80's I was hacking apple IIs then bbc micros, along with a wodge of cp/m stuff working/studying in a factory automation/robotics lab at uny ...
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[12:31] <gordonDrogon> I designed/built a lot of 6502 based boards to control each "station" on our factory manufacturing system.
[12:32] <gordonDrogon> right. time to switch heads. bakery head on. pastry making time.
[12:32] <BurtyB> cool, we used those boards at college (91) so prob a "few" yr after they'd been out
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[13:47] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> Morning
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[13:58] <CyberJacob> Anybody know if there's a 3.9 kernel or earlier that works with the Pi 3?
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[14:36] <RaTTuS|BIG> why you want an old one
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[14:54] <ali1234> regression testing?
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[14:56] <ali1234> shall i bother to update my zero stick board?
[14:56] <ali1234> it doesn't seem like it will be possible to buy zeros in quantity any time soon
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[14:58] <ali1234> plus the camera connector will get in the way
[14:58] <shauno> it might be worth it, just because there's not gonna be many 1.2 board showing up in circulation anymore
[14:59] <ali1234> true
[15:00] <ali1234> there hasn't been for months
[15:00] <shauno> I dunno, I got another 2 weeks ago
[15:00] <shauno> but from here on out, the only 1.2 left in stock are at scalpers. the proper channels are already empty
[15:01] <ali1234> how long before they change the board again though?
[15:02] <shauno> if I could tell you the future, I'd be sunning it on my own private island somewhere :)
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[15:02] <ali1234> it could easily be less than the time needed to do another ptorotype run, a kickstarter, final manufacturing, and shipping out boards
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[15:05] <ali1234> shauno: did you ever get that ESP hat working?
[15:05] <ali1234> i got mine but never bothered to try to use it :)
[15:06] <ali1234> i've got the IOT wifi+bluetooth hat on order now too
[15:06] <shauno> I'm not actually sure where it is atm
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[15:06] <shauno> I got sidetracked when a box of toys showed up from china
[15:06] <ali1234> yeah
[15:07] <ali1234> i'll probably make another, smaller robot POV car with the new zero
[15:07] <shauno> I always enjoy that "I don't remember ordering half of this" moment
[15:07] <ali1234> but i need smaller motors
[15:07] <ali1234> or maybe just smaller wheels
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[15:11] <ali1234> hmm... one possibility is to put the USB connector atthe other end of the board
[15:11] <ali1234> it would make the board bigger, but it could take power from the GPIO, and the USB data pads haven't moved
[15:11] <ali1234> this would block the SD card slot instead of the camera connector
[15:11] <ali1234> and the idea is to boot it from usb anyway
[15:12] <ali1234> i wonder if that even works yet
[15:12] <Osirus126> What would be the best hat to buy when getting started with motors and servos. Gpio
[15:12] <ali1234> adafruit motor hat V2
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[15:14] <Osirus126> I'm really new to this sort of stuff
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[15:14] <Osirus126> I want to learn how to make useful circuits and understand electronics
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[15:14] <Osirus126> So I bought a pi
[15:15] <ali1234> the thing about modern electronics is you can't make anything useful from components these days
[15:15] <Osirus126> What do you mean?
[15:15] <ali1234> as a beginner, you are going to be working with modules
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[15:15] <ali1234> everything is tiny surface mount bits
[15:16] <ali1234> so you just buy a small board that already has the circuit you want
[15:16] <Osirus126> Like for a breadboard
[15:16] <Osirus126> Or
[15:16] <ali1234> no, not like for a breadboard
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[15:16] <pwillard> Probably should have also bought an arduino...
[15:16] <ali1234> arduino sucks
[15:16] <Osirus126> I was thinking of it
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[15:16] <rymate1234> why does arduino suck?
[15:16] <ali1234> if you want to learn about motors, get the adafruit motor hat v2, study how it works, learn how to do SMT soldering, then you can make your own version of it if you want
[15:17] <Osirus126> But I thought I could do what arduino does and more with the pi
[15:17] <ali1234> arduino sucks because it's big and expensive and over engineered
[15:17] <ali1234> also it doesn't have motor drivers anyway so you still need an extra board
[15:17] <Osirus126> Icic
[15:17] <rymate1234> I have an arduino board and it's smaller than my pi
[15:18] <ali1234> it also does significantly less
[15:18] <pwillard> Osirus126: Look... ali1234 appears to be a bit biased... so do your own research
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[15:18] <mgottschlag> if he already has a pi, then that's all he needs right now
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[15:19] <rymate1234> ali1234, yeah, because an arduino is a microcontroller and a pi is a full blown arm computer
[15:19] <mfa298> Arduino is ok as an introduction to microcontrollers, but if you want to do anythign interesting you need to dump the arduino bits and work with microcontrollers directly
[15:19] <mgottschlag> yes, he could have gotten an arduino instead... but no need to get an *additional* arduino unless it's necessary
[15:19] <ali1234> adafruit actually make a motor shield for arduino as well... it contains the exact same components as the pi one, just a different board layout
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[15:20] <computer2000> Anyone ever used PIGPIO pwm library?
[15:20] <jernest> I like the Arduino micro actually it's only $10 at my local electronics shop and has 7 PWM pins and some analog pins, plus has 5V pins.
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[15:20] <ali1234> the arduino micro is actually pretty great
[15:20] <ali1234> it can switch between 3.3v and 5v
[15:21] <pwillard> My recommendation was going to be, buy a cheap $9 clone arduino and a $5 motor board to LEARN with... rather than an expensive Pi... save that for when you know more...
[15:21] <rymate1234> my uno can do that iirc
[15:21] <computer2000> I'm using it via node.js to control some servos and it works beautifully, only thing is I don't know how to turn off the servos comletely - if I tell them to stay in position they try to hold the given position, instead I want them to just turn off
[15:21] <pwillard> There are cheap clone arduino. But no cheap Pi unless you count the unobtaniaum Zero.
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[15:22] <pwillard> so blow stuff up with cheap parts first
[15:22] <rymate1234> the Pi zero? what's one of them? /s
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[15:22] <jernest> What I'd like to have is some kind of pin duplicating so I could use my GPIO with my SainSmart 3.5" TFT and still be able to use my GPIOs.
[15:22] <jernest> I got a breakout board for the GPIO but it didn't do what I wanted.
[15:22] <ali1234> get a I2C gpio expander
[15:23] <jernest> Well the header on this SainSmart I think is using those pins, what a pain.
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[15:23] <ali1234> yes, you could program an arduino to do it, but it would be far cheaper and easier to just buy a PCF8596 or something
[15:24] <ali1234> i2c is a shared bus. you can attach more than one thing to it
[15:24] <jernest> It's using all of the first 28 pins
[15:25] <ali1234> i doubt it is using all of them
[15:25] <ali1234> it might connect to them
[15:25] <ali1234> but it isn't using them
[15:25] <jernest> yeah would be nice to know which pins it's actually using
[15:25] <ali1234> probably SPI and I2C and maybe a couple of GPIOs
[15:26] <ali1234> I2C only if it has a touchscreen
[15:26] <jernest> This is the one: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=113391
[15:27] <jernest> Anyone know of a Python GATT server implementation (PyGatt is just client) on the Pi?
[15:28] <jernest> I'm using Bleno (NodeJS) right now but it's kind of overkill for what I'm doing
[15:28] <Bilby> YAY!
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[15:28] <Bilby> what a lovely day
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[15:28] <Bilby> they did the camera connector ^__^
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[15:29] <Osirus126> Camera connector???
[15:30] <Bilby> On the Zero part 2
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[15:31] <Bilby> https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/zero-grows-camera-connector/
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[15:54] <Helldesk> has anyone seen a zero in the wild?
[15:54] <gordonDrogon> I have 3 here ...
[15:54] <gordonDrogon> but not the new 1.3 version
[15:54] <Helldesk> three times zero is still zero!
[15:54] <Roonix> you mean like in stores?
[15:55] <TheLostAdmin> How long can you power a Pi-Zero on 3 AA batteries? That picture makes it look like you don't even need a power regulator. And bonus points for a blue styrofoam case.
[15:55] <Bilby> TheLostAdmin: you can't
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[15:55] <Bilby> 3 AA batteries at max capacity is only 4.5 volts
[15:56] <Roonix> what picture?
[15:56] <Bilby> you'd need a boost converter and even then it's probably not going to last long
[15:56] <TheLostAdmin> Bilby, well, that's what they put in the picture on the link you posted.
[15:56] <Helldesk> "fine-pitch FPC connector" isn't this like saying "automated teller ATM machine"? :-)
[15:56] <Bilby> TheLostAdmin: wait what? x_x
[15:56] <Bilby> huh. what in the world are they doing.
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[15:57] <TheLostAdmin> https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/zero-grows-camera-connector/ <-- scroll down and see picture of Pi-zero with camera and what looks like 3 Energizer AA lithium batteries.
[15:57] <Bilby> and direct link to full size image: https://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/image.png
[15:57] <Roonix> Whats that other thing though connected to the pi zero?
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[15:58] <Bilby> It looks like they have some sort of HAT on it, it looks like there's an SMA connector on the bottom
[15:58] <Bilby> Sorry if I sounded rude TheLostAdmin, I was quite confused
[15:58] <gordonDrogon> there is probably one of the boost dc/dc regulators on.
[15:58] <Helldesk> read the article, it even tells you what it is
[15:59] <Helldesk> "To celebrate our having designed the perfect high altitude ballooning (HAB) controller, Dave Akerman will be launching a Zero, a camera and the new GPS+RTTY+LoRa radio board that he designed with Anthony Stirk"
[15:59] <TheLostAdmin> Bilby, you sounded confused.
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[16:00] <Bilby> hah, i even ead that Helldesk, i forgot the context xD
[16:00] <Bilby> in context that makes total sense. 3 disposable lithium batteries = least weight, most capacity for a short-term endeavour
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[16:05] <Bilby> That's the project that developed a new mesh communications protocol
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[16:11] <MadeOfChromium> Do you think the Pi Zero is powerful enough to be a ZNC bouncer?
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[16:12] <Bilby> MadeOfChromium: the Pi 1 was, so yes
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[16:15] <Tenkawa> hi all
[16:15] <Bilby> Tenkawa!
[16:15] <Bilby> Pi Zero! I need to buy them all again
[16:15] <Tenkawa> why?
[16:15] <Tenkawa> haahaa
[16:15] <Bilby> camera connector
[16:16] <Bilby> !!!!
[16:16] <Tenkawa> theres 1 left at bethe
[16:16] <Tenkawa> l
[16:16] <Tenkawa> as of this morning
[16:16] <Tenkawa> haaahaa
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[16:16] <Tenkawa> i almost bought it yesterday
[16:18] <Bilby> hah
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[16:18] <Bilby> I'm pretty psyched about this because I've been planning a project for a while using the camera module
[16:18] <Bilby> and now not only is there a better camera, I can use a board half the size of the A+ to run it
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[16:28] <TheLostAdmin> I'm pretty sure I could use one of these as the brains for a pirate satellite. I'm not sure how long it would last in orbit and I have no idea how to get it there on the cheap.
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[16:42] <Zardoz> howdy
[16:43] <Bilby> o/
[16:44] <Syliss> sweet, got 2 pi3 and a pi zero yesterday
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[16:44] <Zardoz> nice, one of the new pi0s?
[16:45] <Syliss> there is only one version of the pi zero i think
[16:45] <Chillum> there had better not be another version of the pi zero yet, they have not finished making the first version available
[16:45] <Habbie> Syliss, there are two, officially since today
[16:46] <waveform> see announcement this morning:https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/zero-grows-camera-connector/
[16:46] <Syliss> oh lol
[16:46] <Zardoz> there is a new pi0
[16:46] <yoosi> MadeOfChromium: I use my Pi Zero as a ZNC bouncer without issue
[16:46] <Tenkawa> is the connector the only diff?
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[16:46] <Zardoz> it has a cam port
[16:46] <Habbie> Tenkawa, no, it also is in stock ;)
[16:46] <Zardoz> think so
[16:46] <Tenkawa> hahha
[16:47] <Syliss> i dont really need the camera connector
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[16:47] <Tenkawa> Habbie: we had 1 in stock here in town
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[16:47] <MadeOfChromium> Yoosi: nice! I presume power consumption is v small?
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[16:48] <yoosi> I haven't measured it
[16:48] <Zardoz> prolly adds almost nothing...
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[16:50] <yoosi> MadeOfChromium: I also run BitlBee on the same Zero without issue
[16:51] <Bilby> Tenkawa: yeah that's the only change afaik
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[16:51] <Bilby> and now they're resuming / have resumed production so availability should go high
[16:52] <Bilby> also their factory capacity isn't wholly given over to making Pi 3s
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[16:52] <MadeOfChromium> yoosi: Is there any difference between Bitlbee and vnc?
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[16:54] <MadeOfChromium> ZNC*
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[16:57] <Huczas> Another news- they are going to add option to boot from usb without using sd card on rpi3, hardware is cappable - now they are working on proper software update
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[16:58] <Tenkawa> now that is really good news
[16:58] <Syliss> oh id love that
[16:59] <Syliss> at least i picked up 2 16gb microsd cards for stupid cheap
[17:00] <Zardoz> nice good to have options
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[17:00] <BurtyB> Huczas, tbh I'd be happy if I could get usbboot working on the A+/zero heh
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[17:01] <yoosi> MadeOfChromium: BitlBee is a gateway to other protocols, not a bouncer like ZNC
[17:01] <yoosi> I use them together. BitlBee serves up an IRC server that I connect to with ZNC and then later with WeeChat
[17:02] <yoosi> The BitlBee server lets me use Google Hangouts chat and Twitter from my IRC client
[17:02] <Huczas> in article is about rpi3, don't know if they can do that feature in older versions
[17:02] <yoosi> Huczas: That would be fantastic. Can you provide a source?
[17:03] <Huczas> yes, one moment
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[17:07] <Huczas> Linux Format 06/2016
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[17:07] <Huczas> http://i.imgur.com/jEUDjty.jpg
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[17:09] <Huczas> So, it seems that they are working on new update for raspbian
[17:09] <Huczas> that include this feature
[17:10] <MadeOfChromium> yoosi: oo that's good. Thanks I'll set it up tonight
[17:10] <Bilby> the tl;dr is that the system can do it but it's not really implemented anywhere yet - much like 64-bit. I'm not sure how long it will be before boot-from-USB is a reality
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[17:11] <Zardoz> I say later this year.
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[17:12] <Zardoz> they just did a big release on the 10th
[17:12] <Huczas> Bilby: I'm more optimistic😄
[17:12] <Zardoz> I would say at least late Q4
[17:13] <yoosi> So no update needed in the firmware? That is surprising...
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[17:14] <Huczas> question-for 64bit system in rpi3 processor will be cooler than now with 32bit raspbian?
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[17:15] <Zardoz> no...
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[17:16] <waveform> pretty sure that boot from USB is going to be Pi3 only - required a modification to the processor which isn't present on older Pis
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[17:17] <Bilby> I'm looking in the git for a feature request
[17:17] <Bilby> I don't see it but that really doesn't mean anything
[17:17] <Bilby> I just wonder how high on the priority list that is
[17:17] <Zardoz> waveform: and if any others might be pi2
[17:18] <Bilby> Iirc it's a feature of the broadcom chip
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[17:19] <Bilby> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=91&t=138786#p921177 yes, in the boot ROM
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[17:20] <Zardoz> Bilby: nice find...
[17:20] <Bilby> I'm not sure how that will even work since the 3 has an onboard USB hub. It must have some way to initialize and negotiate with the hub at a very low level
[17:21] <Zardoz> just like any other system boot from x device
[17:21] <Huczas> PXE is a hint
[17:21] <waveform> yeah, I'm afraid the article that thread's quoting is about the pi3 only - won't be on the 2
[17:22] <Zardoz> yeah it's pi3
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[17:22] <Zardoz> they had to add it in the new BC chip.
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[17:23] <ali1234> has anyone tried to RE it yet?
[17:23] <ali1234> since it hasn't been documented
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[17:23] <ali1234> it should be fairly easy to figure out what it wants
[17:23] <ali1234> for PXE anyway
[17:23] <Encrypt> Hello guys o/
[17:24] <Encrypt> Sonny_Jim, Hey o/
[17:24] <Zardoz> Encrypt: o/
[17:24] <Encrypt> I've just published the project I was talking about the other day
[17:24] <Encrypt> https://github.com/Encrypt/iris
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[17:26] <mfa298> Huczas: the last bit I saw about booting the Pi3 from soemthing other than the SD card was that it could load the firmware blob from somethign else, but the firmware blob didn't know where it was loaded from to be able to continue the rest of the boot process
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[17:28] <ali1234> should still be able to load bare metal videocore bins
[17:28] <Huczas> mfa298: So, it means that we have to wait until they provide a new firmware or raspbian update
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[17:30] <Zardoz> the way I read all of this is the hardware capability is there, it's just not enabled yet. also this is something they did on the pi3..
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[17:31] <Huczas> Zardoz: Exactly
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[17:31] <mfa298> I think it's Pi3 only, and the implication seems to be that you can get the firmware blob from another source but that it will then look to get the kernel etc from the SD card
[17:32] <Zardoz> I would think this is on the raidar just as other things I am sure this has been a big request.
[17:33] <Huczas> mfa298: no, if in firmware blob you pass location of the rest of core system on usb it will go on there
[17:33] <BurtyB> ali1234, iirc you had usbboot working on an A+/zero? did you have any problems with it flashing 7 times after the transfer (on the A+, the zero does nothing) as that's all I can get it to do :/
[17:34] <mfa298> I wouldn't be surprised if we saw this before (or at the same time as) a firmware blob with 64 bit support.
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[17:35] <mfa298> Huczas: aiui the firmwre blob gets that by reading a text file, and presumably it's currently always reading that from the SD card.
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[17:36] <ali1234> BurtyB: the zero doesn't work. A+ was always fine as long as the image was small enough
[17:36] <ali1234> USB boot has a load of hardcoded memory stuff and can't handle big images
[17:37] <Huczas> mfa298: for now, but I think they provide some tweaks to change it, maybe in rpi-config
[17:37] <ali1234> uploding bare metal vc code works on both though
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[17:44] <computer2000> Anyone ever used a PWM library like pigpio or pi-blaster to control servos with the Pi?
[17:44] <BurtyB> ali1234, ah I thought I saw something that said it worked with the zero but I guess I've got something wrong with my buildroot anyway if I just get flashes on the A+
[17:45] <ali1234> the buildroot hasn't worked for a while
[17:45] <Bilby> computer2000: there are some projects that do that but often the PWM is not reliable enough
[17:45] <ali1234> i had to use a very old commit
[17:46] <computer2000> Bilby: I'm using it actually and it's going pretty good! Only, I don't know how to turn the servos off completely - if I set them to a static position, they try to hold that position resisting any external force, but I want to shut them off
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[17:46] <Bilby> that's how servos work
[17:46] <Bilby> you want them to float?
[17:46] <Bilby> what servo driver board are you using them with, and does it pass position data back to the Pi?
[17:48] <BurtyB> ali1234, I tried the old commit you mentioned in a post a while ago but can't get that one to work either maybe it's something else newer it doesn't like now
[17:49] <DrJ> so is fstab not read at boot?
[17:49] <ali1234> i don't really see what it coul dbe...
[17:49] <DrJ> I have a mount line in there for a cifs share and it works after boot if I do mount -a
[17:49] <ali1234> the hardware cant change...
[17:52] <computer2000> Bilby: yes float!
[17:52] <computer2000> Bilby: no driver, just the pigpio library
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[17:53] <BurtyB> ali1234, I meant a software version somewhere causing a change it when I end up with
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[17:56] <Bilby> computer2000: other than using a mosfet to cut power to the servo, the only thing I can think of is to use a servo with feedback.
[17:56] <Bilby> some information here: https://learn.adafruit.com/analog-feedback-servos/about-servos-and-feedback
[17:56] <Bilby> if you stop sending the servo PWM information but leave it powered, it tries to maintain the same position, right?
[17:57] <jiblet> Bilby: in my experience yes
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[17:58] <jiblet> but I think it could be different depending on the microcontroller inside the servo
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[17:58] <Bilby> yeah i'm trying to think what that might be called
[17:58] <computer2000> Bilby: yes, that's what it does exactly
[17:58] <methuzla> computer2000, you would have to cut power to the servos to have them 'float'
[17:59] <Bilby> that's what i'm thinking the easiest method is, yes
[17:59] <computer2000> Bilby: I set a position and then leave it and it tries staying in that position but I want it to shut off
[17:59] <methuzla> only way is to cut power
[17:59] <Bilby> you could use a force sensor to detect something pushing against it and then let it float that way, but it would take a lot of refinement
[17:59] <Bilby> http://circuitdigest.com/microcontroller-projects/arduino-servo-motor-control-by-force-sensor
[17:59] <Bilby> easier to just cut power aha
[18:00] <computer2000> methuzla: but the servos float when they're not being set to a position, only after they don't shut off anymore
[18:01] <methuzla> computer2000, hobby servos?
[18:01] <computer2000> methuzla: http://www.hobbyking.co.uk/hobbyking/store/__31880__Turnigy_8482_TGY_306G_HV_Ultra_Fast_High_Torque_DS_MG_HV_Alloy_Case_3_7kg_0_05sec_UK_Warehouse_.html
[18:01] <methuzla> how do you have them hooked up?
[18:02] <computer2000> directly to GPIO, power from external PSU. And using pigpio pwm library
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[18:04] <methuzla> when you say they "float when they're not being set to a position" - how are you doing that?
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[18:08] <computer2000> methuzla: When I connect the servos and power them nothing happens - only after I send them the first positioning command I can't get them back to float
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[18:08] <computer2000> So it seems there is a state of "attached and powered, but not staying in position"
[18:10] <computer2000> methuzla: I think in Arduino .detach() is the command that makes this: https://www.arduino.cc/en/Reference/ServoDetach
[18:10] <methuzla> doubt it
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[18:11] <BurtyB> tried setting the pin to an input (or something else to stop the pwm signal) ?
[18:11] <methuzla> if you apply power, but do not send command, what happens if you try to turn manually turn the servo?
[18:11] <methuzla> does it resist?
[18:13] <computer2000> BurtyB: no could that work?
[18:13] <computer2000> methuzla: nothing! it floats
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[18:13] <computer2000> methuzla: no it does not resist - as I said, only after I send the first position command
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[18:14] <Bilby> If he's not sending PWM on the output it should be at ground. Setting it to input might make it float (electrically)
[18:14] <methuzla> what is the command you send?
[18:14] <Bilby> More than likely nothing you do besides power cycling will allow the servo to float mechanically though. Odds are the servo is tracking the last valid position and it's only when power is first applied and there's no "current" position will it allow it to float
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[18:17] <computer2000> I'm using this library https://github.com/fivdi/pigpio/blob/master/pigpio.js
[18:17] <computer2000> pigpio for node.js
[18:17] <BurtyB> computer2000, if disconnecting the signal cable does what you want then it prob would but if it doesn't I'd imagine you're going to be out of luck
[18:17] <computer2000> uses the C library
[18:18] <methuzla> hmmm. might of missed that. it goes back to floating if you simply disconnect the sig cable?
[18:19] <bekks> hi
[18:19] <computer2000> methuzla: no it doesn't ... only if power is disconnected
[18:20] <bekks> Having an Raspberry 3, I'm wondering why it is running at 600MHz always, using Ubuntu Mate 16.04 - when running it with Rasbian, frequency goes up to 1400MHz. Someone please can clue me on how to change that?
[18:21] <methuzla> computer2000, only thing i can think is there is some special feature of that servo to not energize after initial power on until a valid PWM signal is seen
[18:21] <giddles> boot.txt? @ bekks
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[18:22] <bekks> giddles: Where am I supposed to find that file?
[18:23] <methuzla> computer2000, most servos just turn on and start servoing right away. if there's garbage on the PWM they behave poorly.
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[18:24] <giddles> sudo cp /boot/config.txt /boot/config.txt.YOUBETTERBACKUP
[18:24] <giddles> sudo nano? /boot/config.txt
[18:24] <giddles> you also can disable overscan, so your mate would work after it maybe nice with youtube if you have some time
[18:25] <Bilby> all this servo feedback talk makes me want to DIY a force-feedback mixing system
[18:25] <giddles> when you having the /boot/config.txt open
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[18:25] <giddles> just search with STRG+W after #disable_overscan=1 or =0 rand remove the #
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[18:26] <giddles> maybe you need to comment the overscan parametrix, thats why you have a backup :)
[18:26] <giddles> save and exit, reboot and youre done
[18:27] <giddles> i personally wont overclock or force the rpi3, i run it without any clock options under mate quite stable
[18:28] <giddles> i have with heatsinks temp=55.8'C under mate with normal options @ rpi3
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[18:30] <giddles> bekks, still alive?
[18:31] <bekks> giddles: Yes I am.
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[18:31] <giddles> ok you knew what to do?
[18:31] <bekks> giddles: I found /boot/config.txt so far
[18:31] <giddles> nice
[18:31] <giddles> open it with nano
[18:31] <bekks> giddles: Done.
[18:31] <giddles> the rest is explained there
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[18:32] <giddles> but i warned you ;) @ temp gate if you search a stable overclock setup
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[18:32] <bekks> giddles: I just dont know how to change the governor, I guess.
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[18:33] <giddles> np, you have arm_freq, core_freq, sdram_freq and over_voltage
[18:33] <giddles> play a little bit with it to find a nice setup
[18:34] <giddles> as i sayed, i run it without own parameters
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[18:34] <giddles> temp_limit also nice, he clock down if temp is hit
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[18:37] <Bilby> ouch, motorized pots are expensive :|
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[18:41] <giddles> and bekks any questions?
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[18:44] <giddles> you may can also enlarge your gpu memory while you editing it
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[18:44] <Azulflame> Hey guys. Has anyone here compiled the kernel with PREEMPT_RT yet?
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[18:45] <Bilby> ooh, that's shiny http://www.bourns.com/docs/product-datasheets/PEL12T.pdf
[18:45] <Bilby> rotary encoder with RGB illuminated shaft
[18:46] <giddles> lets make your ubuntu mate great again ;)
[18:46] <Azulflame> giddles, what's wrong with Ubuntu mate?
[18:47] <Azulflame> I'm running it with no issues
[18:47] <giddles> well if the config.txt is untouched some things are to do
[18:47] <Azulflame> such as?
[18:47] <giddles> like deactivate overscan??
[18:47] <Azulflame> I just installed the default everything
[18:47] <bekks> giddles: Seems to work fine, I've changed /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_cur_freq using /etc/rc.local
[18:47] <giddles> of cause, do it another way
[18:47] <giddles> :D
[18:47] <Bilby> niston: shiny like this makes me want to find a project for it http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Bourns/PEL12T-4225S-S1024/?qs=G5few1MRhWoPZyoetZIsCA%3D%3D
[18:48] <giddles> forget what i say, be happy
[18:48] <giddles> mate has normally 64mb for gpu
[18:48] <giddles> thats also a little tiny
[18:48] <Azulflame> I'd rather be told I'm wrong and learn than to continue doing something improperly
[18:48] <giddles> but if you knew it all better :P
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[18:49] <Azulflame> And this is a laptop that I use primarily to take notes. I do most everything on my desktop.
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[19:15] <bsdnoob> hello
[19:15] <bsdnoob> Can I use 5V 550mA powersupply for rpi 3?
[19:16] <methuzla> very unlikely
[19:16] <bsdnoob> um :/
[19:17] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> bsdnoob: u should use at least 2 a or even 2.5
[19:17] <TheLostAdmin> I would guess not since the Pi 1 B needed a minimum of 500 ma to run. More if you used any USB devices or the HDMI out.
[19:18] <bsdnoob> It uses mini usb like mobile phones , right ?
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[19:18] <shiftplusone> bsdnoob: only if it's actually 5v over the entire output range.
[19:18] <Bilby> bsdnoob: here's what you need: https://www.raspberrypi.org/help/faqs/#power
[19:18] <bsdnoob> Can I use powerbank to supply power ? It provides 2A
[19:18] <shiftplusone> depends on the powerbank
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[19:18] <Bilby> The foundation reccomends A 2.5A power supply and lists typical consumption at 400mA
[19:19] <Bilby> so if the 550mA power supply actually provides 550mA AND you don't have much going on on the 3, it may work
[19:19] <bsdnoob> Do I need to get heat sink as well ? I have heard it gets too hot
[19:20] <Zardoz> pi3 will not run at 550ma
[19:20] <Bilby> bsdnoob: it does not need one, you may want one if you're going to put it in a case or other hot area
[19:20] <Bilby> unlike the other Pis there are situations where it's useful
[19:21] <bsdnoob> and one last question , Can it actually run windows and execute 32bit binaries ?
[19:22] <Bilby> no
[19:22] <Zardoz> heat sync is not needed. but does help. and if you do cppu intensive stuff, it really helps. also dont have a case that has no ventilation.
[19:22] <bsdnoob> not even with some virtualization ?
[19:22] <Bilby> it runs Windows IoT which has no UI
[19:22] <mlelstv> you can crawl windows, but not run.
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[19:23] <Bilby> you can program in some frameworks for windows that will run on the Pi, but it's not windows GUI
[19:23] <mlelstv> you can run win95 in qemu :)
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[19:24] <bsdnoob> win95 to too hardcore :P
[19:24] <bsdnoob> XP might do it
[19:24] <Bilby> bsdnoob: https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/iot/iotcore
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[19:25] <mlelstv> crawling XP with 1GB RAM (maybe half that for XP itself) isn't going to be fun.
[19:26] <bsdnoob> I have some proprietary crap , but It consumes lot of cpu . Might as well try to get it working in Wine.
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[19:26] <mlelstv> wine requires x86 CPU.
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[19:26] <TheLostAdmin> Wine won't run on the Pi either.
[19:27] <bsdnoob> :P oops
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[19:27] <Bilby> That's because the Pi isn't at least eighteen
[19:27] <Bilby> so wine isn't allowed
[19:27] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> Remixos rocks!
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[19:30] <Zardoz> ThUnD3r|Gr33n: thats what they say....
[19:31] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> I test it actually. Smoothy and really cool.
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[19:33] <bsdnoob> okay , so where I can buy power supply in India ? most of seller are selling whole kit
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[19:34] <Bilby> bsdnoob any power supply will do as long as it's powerful enough. Look for a USB charge for a tablet or bigger smartphone
[19:34] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> Ebay.ind?
[19:34] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> Dunno sorry
[19:36] <Zardoz> just need to look around for a 5V 2.4 or 2.5amp adapter
[19:36] <oq> bsdnoob: surely india has usb ac adaptors?
[19:37] <Zardoz> I would not suggest any lower if possable
[19:37] <oq> eh
[19:37] <oq> not exactly an easy sell there Zardoz
[19:38] <Zardoz> not trying to sell
[19:38] <oq> it's nice to want 2.5A but outside high end tablet chargers you're more likely to find 1.5A
[19:38] <bsdnoob> http://www.ebay.in/itm/Original-NILLKIN-USB-Charger-AC-5V-2A-Adapter-Fast-Charging-For-Mobile-Phones-/252080486666?hash=item3ab12af90a:g:TCIAAOSw3ydV6bTh
[19:38] <bsdnoob> How does this look like?
[19:38] <Zardoz> oq: sure you can
[19:38] <Zardoz> bsdnoob: more amps
[19:38] <niston> Bilby: a project with an encoder knob?
[19:38] <Zardoz> 2.4 at least
[19:39] <niston> A radio! :D
[19:39] <oq> 2A is fine
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[19:39] <Zardoz> bsd you have amazon?
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[19:39] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> bsdnoob: perpfect!
[19:40] <bsdnoob> Zardoz, yes
[19:40] <Zardoz> oh, god I am going to shut it... have fun with that 2 amps
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[19:40] <Zardoz> hey ThePendulum
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[19:41] <niston> you know you coke is ice cold when it starts to boil after you take it from the fridge and open the can
[19:42] <Bilby> niston: ooh shiny
[19:42] <Bilby> a radio would be fun
[19:42] <niston> all new and shiny :>
[19:42] <bsdnoob> http://www.amazon.in/Lenovo-K3-Note%C2%A060-Compatible-Certified/dp/B01C094U36/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1463420553&sr=8-2&keywords=2.5+amp+mobile+charger
[19:42] <bsdnoob> this might do it I guess
[19:43] * Zardoz does not know why people want to mess around with underpowered devices...
[19:43] <bsdnoob> 2.4 Amp Maximum Output(Use two Ports at the same time)
[19:43] <niston> Bilby: fun what a raspberry can do. yesterday I was hacking away at boring business code, then I hack up this bladeRF/raspi thing and all of a sudden I find myself planning a nationwide LoRaWAN pilot project D:
[19:43] <bsdnoob> ^^ what the hell this means
[19:43] <Bilby> niston: I have a halfway project for a computer user interface using a pi + touchscreen. That could be a really fun add-in
[19:43] <niston> bsdnoob: it means 2.4 amps max over both ports
[19:43] <Bilby> niston: whoa!
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[19:44] <bsdnoob> it's actually 1.2a from one port ?
[19:44] <niston> bsdnoob: nah, its 2.4 total.
[19:44] <niston> so 2 amps on one and 0.4 on the other for example.
[19:44] <niston> I GUESS.
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[19:44] <Zardoz> bsdnoob: look up canakit 2.5 powersupply
[19:44] <niston> Bilby: the power of a strong ARM, eh :P
[19:44] <Zardoz> for the pi3
[19:44] <Bilby> he's having some troubles finding one to ship to india i think
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[19:45] <niston> Bilby: also have a 7" touchscreen here and a pi3
[19:45] <Zardoz> oh, crap
[19:45] <Bilby> nice
[19:45] <Zardoz> you have a differnet plug.
[19:45] <niston> was donated to me by the students who got to use touchGUI.py :]
[19:45] <Bilby> I keep wanting to get the touchscreen and putting it off
[19:45] <Zardoz> mmm
[19:45] <bsdnoob> Zardoz, how about 3.1a ? would it fry cpu ?
[19:45] <TheExpertNoob> canakit powersupply is what I use.
[19:46] <bsdnoob> no canakit here :(
[19:46] <Bilby> bsdnoob: no, you're okay as long as the voltage is correct
[19:46] <Zardoz> bsdnoob: no it will use what it needs
[19:46] <Zardoz> just keep it at 5v
[19:46] <niston> Bilby: I think I'll use your Pi for a demo LoRaWAN actor :)
[19:46] <Bilby> :D :D
[19:46] <niston> the zero you sent me
[19:46] <Bilby> so they want you to move forward with that hot mess, eh?
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[19:46] <niston> yup
[19:46] <Azulflame> niston, Is it a RT application you are writing?
[19:47] <niston> Azulflame: RT as in real time?
[19:47] <Azulflame> yep
[19:47] <niston> nope.
[19:47] <Azulflame> ah, ok
[19:47] <niston> no RT kernel, no RT.
[19:47] <Azulflame> I'm installing the RT kernel on a RPi right now
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[19:47] <stiv> RT as in 'fast enough' ?
[19:47] <niston> I would like to try that some time
[19:47] <niston> I saw theres a flight computer on raspi basis that uses RTlinux
[19:47] <Azulflame> image analysis that needs to happen < 200ms
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[19:47] <Azulflame> It's currently happening in 3.5s
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[19:48] <niston> Azulflame: what is it?
[19:48] <Azulflame> so, soft RT
[19:48] <niston> neural net?
[19:48] <Azulflame> openCV stuff
[19:48] <niston> hmm
[19:48] <stiv> that sounds like a job for more compute power
[19:48] <niston> yeah
[19:48] <Azulflame> on my laptop (1.8GHz, Ubuntu mate) it happens in 101ms
[19:48] <Bilby> everything can be solved with more power
[19:49] <niston> Azulflame: what about some Baytrail board?
[19:49] * stiv has been wondering about neural nets on the pi for image recognition
[19:49] <Azulflame> on the RPi 3, it takes 3.5s
[19:49] <Bilby> be that horsepower, cpu power, or firepower :P
[19:49] <niston> or something even more recent
[19:49] <Azulflame> niston, the onboard camera on the pi makes it se useful
[19:49] <niston> doesnt help if not enough oomph though
[19:49] <Azulflame> the R/W speed of that camera trumps the 120ms R/W of a 360p image through USB
[19:50] <niston> use one of the FPGA HATs
[19:50] <niston> to implement the image recog
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[19:50] <Azulflame> HATs?
[19:50] <niston> stuff that goes on top the raspi expansion header
[19:50] <niston> theres at least one FPGA board
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[19:51] <niston> maybe you could hook a cam to it and implement some of the computationally hard stuff on it
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[19:52] <Azulflame> the GPIOs are going to be used for outputting information over a serial-ish connection
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[19:52] <Azulflame> Or to control a motor. I'm not sure yet
[19:52] <ThePendulum> Can I add multiple network blocks to wpa_supplicant.conf to allow my Pi 3 to connect to different access points?
[19:53] <niston> https://www.researchgate.net/profile/T_Riesgo/publication/224374307_FPGA_implementation_of_an_image_recognition_system_based_on_Tiny_Neural_networks_and_on-line_reconfiguration/links/0deec5252fcf7e24fd000000.pdf/download?version=vs
[19:53] <Azulflame> ThePendulum, yes, but you may want to just use a single one. I don't know how well the Pi handles network selection and switching
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[19:53] <Azulflame> I'm not interested in nueral networks really. I know the shape of the object and identifying features, I just need to find position and rotation
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[19:54] <ThePendulum> hm, that's unfortunate, but workable
[19:54] <niston> this maybe? http://www.cc.gatech.edu/~ksubrama/files/FPGA_Report.pdf
[19:54] <Zardoz> bsdnoob: look up Official Power Supply for Raspberry Pi 3
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[19:55] <Azulflame> I'll definitely take a look at that, but I need a working prototype right now
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[20:28] <jamesl> is the pi hut official wifi adapter compatible with AP mode? What about the RPF official adapter? I need a pi-compatible adapter that is capable of AP mode
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[20:29] <shiftplusone> jamesl: I recommend the edimax nano one. At least that's one I know that works reliably.
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[20:31] <Zardoz> hey shiftplusone: is that edimax a ralink chipset?
[20:32] <jamesl> shiftplusone: this? https://www.amazon.co.uk/Edimax-EW-7811Un-N150-Wireless-Adapter/dp/B003MTTJOY
[20:32] <shiftplusone> Zardoz: realtek
[20:32] <shiftplusone> jamesl: yes
[20:33] <jamesl> does it support AP mode? And is it fast enough to stream VGA monochrmoe video?
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[20:36] <yoosi> ThePendulum: The ArchWiki should have good documentation on wireless configuration w/ multiple APs
[20:36] <shiftplusone> yes and yes
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[20:39] <ThePendulum> yoosi: I'm running raspbian though
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[20:39] <ThePendulum> guess it'll have some docs though
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[20:40] <yoosi> ThePendulum: To my knowledge, Arch and Debian use the same config files for WiFi
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[20:51] <Habbie> raspbian bluetooth update for pi3 breaks on pi2
[20:51] <Habbie> fun
[20:52] <Habbie> worked on my pi2 that pretty recently had another update but breaks on a pi2 that hadn't been updated for six monts
[20:52] <Habbie> months
[20:52] <Habbie> sudo apt-get remove --purge bluez pulseaudio-module-bluetooth
[20:52] <Habbie> fixed :)
[20:54] <BurtyB> sometimes I wish the pi3 wasn't a thing :)
[20:55] <Habbie> why?
[20:55] <BurtyB> because I like working serial out of the box
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[20:56] <Habbie> what happened to that on pi3?
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[20:57] <BurtyB> Habbie, as far as I can see it's still variable speed unless you alter the config
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[21:00] <ricksl> the reasoning kinda makes sense, the broadcom chip only has one set speed serial afaik, they decided to use it for the bluetooth instead of the i/o header
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[21:02] <Habbie> ah
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[21:13] <boxmein> ideas on remote ssh setup to Pi without stupid port forwarding thingamajig?
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[21:14] <boxmein> was thinking reverse ssh tunnel to a server I control
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[21:16] <ricksl> heres a pretty okay site that explains it https://toic.org/blog/2009/reverse-ssh-port-forwarding/
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[21:24] <[Saint]> Well, I did it guys. My defining moment. I did what is quite probably both the smartest and stupidest hardware hack I have ever made whilst getting pissy about not being able to sleep at ~4am.
[21:24] <ricksl> what was your accomplishment
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[21:24] <xamindar> we are all on the edge of our seats!
[21:24] <[Saint]> I pulled apart the heat pumps in my lounge and kitchen and made them a whole lot smarter about object tracking.
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[21:25] <[Saint]> The one in my lounge room did an "OK" job of this by itself, but now the heating vents can track a single object around a room or split the difference between N live tracked objects.
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[21:26] <[Saint]> The one in the kitchen just did a really stupid "I know something in here is alive, and I can swing my vents vertically or horizontally".
[21:27] <[Saint]> So I figured "I can track X, I can track Y...lets do this"
[21:27] <[Saint]> Now there's a stream of ~26C air following me around two rooms of the house. Life is good.
[21:27] <methuzla> it was probably trying to communicate. you've almost certainly made them sentient.
[21:27] <Habbie> nice, [Saint]
[21:29] <[Saint]> Ms. [Saint] walked out into the kitchen this morning at about 0515 and just took one look at me on my knees surrounded by electronics and bits of heat pump casing and just gave me the "awwwwwwwww hell no!" look and walked out.
[21:29] <Habbie> haha
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[21:31] <[Saint]> It just occurred to me that I could probably plot out a reasonable gradient of my external and core temperatures vs. ambient temperature and have the heat pump try and keep me at a constant temperature.
[21:31] <[Saint]> I guess I need a couple of IR thermometers now for stage two.
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[21:32] <[Saint]> Something something, Winter is coming.
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[21:32] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> [Saint]: which home Automation do u use?
[21:32] <[Saint]> I don't.
[21:33] <[Saint]> This is just bodged together with a couple of raspis and pi-cams at the moment. Temperatures and on/off functions are still controlled by the heat pump firmware itself.
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[21:33] <[Saint]> The pis just control the tracking of the air vanes.
[21:34] <[Saint]> I figure I should have the pis turning the heat pumps on and off and monitoring ambient temperature ny day's end.
[21:34] <[Saint]> *by
[21:34] <[Saint]> ThUnD3r|Gr33n: honestly, the IoT world scares the crap out of me.
[21:36] <[Saint]> I'm keeping these 'lil babies from turning into Skynet and trying to cook me as I sleep. They're no smarter and no more communicative then they need to be.
[21:37] <methuzla> so you think...
[21:37] <[Saint]> <dramatic reverb>
[21:37] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> [Saint]: u should try home genie
[21:37] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> homegenie.it
[21:38] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> I'll setup this for my pi
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[21:39] <[Saint]> ThUnD3r|Gr33n: I don't mean to sound like an ass, genuinely, but considering the sentiment I just outlined and the desired function of the hardware - what do I possibly have to gain from adding an immature IoT stack to the mix?
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[21:40] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> Ok.was just a recommendation
[21:40] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> ;)
[21:40] <[Saint]> I can't talk to any of my local machines without sandboxing and 2FA. I'm not letting the IoT world in here to run wild. :)
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[21:42] <Emil> Can you recommend a place to talk about orangepis?
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[21:43] <[Saint]> Emil: maybe ##ohgodwhydidihatemyselfenoughtobuyanallwinnera20basedsbc
[21:43] <Emil> [Saint]: ;)
[21:44] <Emil> [Saint]: The alternative, as some orange pi's support raspbian and it is a similar computer (raspberry pi's are almost like a catch 'em all) is talking about it here
[21:44] <methuzla> there appears to be #orangepi
[21:44] <Emil> I'm sure some would be interested but I'm not sure if all would :D
[21:44] <Emil> methuzla: yeah, but it is rather sparsely populated : /
[21:45] <[Saint]> ThUnD3r|Gr33n: I'll apologize, as I don't think I explained myself particularly well. I'm sure it is great at what it does, I just don't want let the IoT world into my local network without a lot of vetting and a clear reasoning as to why I'm doing it.
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[21:45] <Emil> On a similar note, can you recommend a channel for discussion about CHIPs? Or in general small computers such as mentioned
[21:45] <methuzla> well, be the change you want, go there, start discussing, build community.
[21:46] <[Saint]> and for the love of god update your kernel. ;)
[21:46] <methuzla> there's a chip channel, #chipsters or something hipster cute like that
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[21:46] <Emil> methuzla: thanks : )
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[21:47] <[Saint]> I sure hope you caught the news of the open userspace elevation in the sunxi 3.4 kernel?
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[21:47] <[Saint]> They claim it was an "accident", but <insert_frowny_face_here>.
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[21:48] <[Saint]> Emil: that was for you, by the by.
[21:49] <Emil> [Saint]: yeah, I read there was this cool little exploit for privilige escalation :D
[21:49] <Emil> or a backdoor, was it
[21:49] <[Saint]> Neither.
[21:49] <[Saint]> Exploit implies it was covert. Backdoor also implies similarly. This was just an absolutely epic merge fail.
[21:50] <[Saint]> Very few backdoors are GPL compliant. ;)
[21:51] <Crom> so who ordered rpi0v2's
[21:51] <[Saint]> As in, quite obviously deliberate and intentional, but almost certainly not meant for mainline user deployment.
[21:51] <Crom> I'm getting 2 myself
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[21:52] <[Saint]> Crom: I can't really see the obvious intrigue in them.
[21:52] <TheLostAdmin> They have a camera interface. You could make your very own digital camera with one.
[21:52] <[Saint]> I went with some leftover Pi2s I had because I wanted two cameras per pi easily.
[21:52] <[Saint]> Ahhh...dammit.
[21:52] <[Saint]> Just _one_ CSI interface?
[21:52] <Emil> Crom: me!
[21:53] <Emil> But sadly I just realized thatthe CHIP is on a better pricestandpoint :o
[21:53] <Crom> multi node car dash cam multimedia setup
[21:53] <Emil> TheLostAdmin: Imma do a surveillance one for my dad
[21:53] <Crom> adafruit out of stock
[21:54] <Emil> Ordered mine from the Pi Hut, 12GBP device, camera adapter and shipping together, not too bad in my opinion
[21:54] <[Saint]> At the moment I'm using a picam and a USB camera per board.
[21:54] <BurtyB> Crom, I went for a v1.3 zero ;)
[21:54] <Crom> out of stock on bare, budget and starter packs for rpi0v2
[21:54] <[Saint]> I really wish there was an easy way to use multiple pi cams per board.
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[21:55] <Crom> Burty I got one from adafruit and one from pihut
[21:55] <Emil> [Saint]: There, umm, is an alternative
[21:55] <Emil> But it costs
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[21:55] <Emil> The NVIDIA Jetson TX1
[21:55] <Crom> hmm pimoroni is showing in stock
[21:56] <Emil> Crom: you in Europe?
[21:56] <[Saint]> Emil: I'm aware there are alternatives, I'm not sure when you joined, but I got a spurt of divine influence this morning and cobbled together a hardware solution out of my massive box of leftover crap.
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[21:56] <[Saint]> Trying to do this without spending any more money.
[21:56] <Crom> pimoroni kits still have stock from 12.50 pounds
[21:56] <Emil> [Saint]: what is your current solution :D
[21:56] <Emil> I just joined
[21:56] <[Saint]> I already have a few dozen picams and several dozen leftover pis.
[21:57] <[Saint]> Emil: One generic USB camera and one pi-cam per board.
[21:57] <[Saint]> pi-cam handles the lowlight stuff. USB camera handles the daylight stuff.
[21:57] <Emil> why not multiple usbcams?
[21:57] <[Saint]> see above.
[21:57] <Emil> Where?
[21:57] <[Saint]> like, literally just above.
[21:57] <Emil> But I mean, a single regular pi has multiple usb ports
[21:58] <Emil> why not stack multiple usbcameras
[21:58] <[Saint]> it does, but, I'd have to destroy the USB webcams needlessly to remove their IR filtering.
[21:58] <ricksl> isn't there a board designed to multiplex the pi cameras?
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[21:59] <[Saint]> Emil: point is I need this to work with nothing but a tiny bit of IR illumination and I already have a bunch of Pi Noir cameras.
[21:59] <Emil> ah
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[21:59] <Emil> I see
[22:00] <[Saint]> USB cams for decent resolution daylight motion tracking and the pi noir cams for the lowlight stuff.
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[22:00] <ScrumpyJack> evening
[22:00] <[Saint]> ricksl: I may indeed by very interested in such a thing if you have a direct link or suitable google magic
[22:01] <ScrumpyJack> is the pi0 stock online still limited to one per order at thepihut or pimoroni?
[22:01] <daveake> yes at both
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[22:02] <ricksl> apologies
[22:02] <ricksl> http://www.ivmech.com/magaza/en/development-modules-c-4/ivport-raspberry-pi-camera-module-multiplexer-p-90
[22:02] <Emil> ScrumpyJack: yeah
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[22:02] <Emil> Dat price
[22:02] <ScrumpyJack> camera cable is same price as a pi!
[22:02] <ricksl> there are alternatives
[22:02] <Emil> and how does it multipex
[22:02] <ricksl> but this is the basic idea
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[22:06] <rymate1234> https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/zero-grows-camera-connector/ but can it be purchased?
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[22:07] <ricksl> wow, thats sure to upset early adopters who wanted such a feature. and when they teased a new rev they said it would involve firmware.
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[22:14] <ali1234> it costs £4 just buy another one
[22:15] <[Saint]> ricksl: well...they're not lying.
[22:15] <[Saint]> It does /also/ involve new FW. :)
[22:15] <ricksl> you got me there
[22:15] <[Saint]> also - thanks for the url.
[22:15] <[Saint]> and no apology needed.
[22:15] <[Saint]> thank you.
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[22:16] <ali1234> also the old picam had terrible low light performance
[22:16] <ali1234> the new one should be much better
[22:17] <ali1234> seems like wifi is still bugged on 4.4 kernels
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[22:30] <[Saint]> ali1234: it isn't bad with the very small IR source I have.
[22:30] <[Saint]> though I'm lighting an interior room.
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[23:08] <Chunkyz> anyone else saw the new zero feature?
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[23:09] <Lartza> No, it's been tightly kept as a secret
[23:09] <Lartza> I think you had to preorder and NDA to know
[23:09] <mfa298> I'd have thought almost everyone knows now
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[23:09] <iKarith> Zero is a myth :)
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[23:11] <Chunkyz> I just ordered 1...
[23:11] <Lartza> It's a pyramid scheme
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[23:12] <iKarith> Can one actually do that outside the UK?
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[23:12] <Lartza> Run a pyramid scheme? Probably
[23:13] <Lartza> I think there are countries with even more free laws than London City
[23:13] <Roonix> adafruit had them in didn't they? so i imagine you could have ordered from them in the US
[23:14] <iKarith> Roonix: I have _never_ seen a Pi Zero in stock _anywhere_.
[23:15] <iKarith> I tried to order a Zero the day it was announced.
[23:15] <Roonix> they're in stock now in the UK at pimoroni and pi hut
[23:15] <Chunkyz> iKarith, www.whereismypizero.com
[23:15] <mfa298> iKarith: well there were 30k in stock earlier today (around 12 hours ago)
[23:15] <Roonix> seems adafruit have sold out already
[23:15] <Chunkyz> like I said, I just ordered 1. from thepihut
[23:16] <Roonix> they've up production so they should be easier to get from now on
[23:16] <Roonix> upped
[23:16] <iKarith> Out of stock except in a kit in the UK
[23:16] <Chunkyz> Roonix, yeah
[23:17] <Chunkyz> iKarith, what?
[23:17] <Chunkyz> I see it in stock right now...I'm in the UK
[23:17] <Lartza> Where?
[23:17] <Chunkyz> https://thepihut.com/collections/raspberry-pi-zero/products/raspberry-pi-zero
[23:17] <Lartza> That's a kit
[23:17] <Chunkyz> no
[23:17] <Chunkyz> click the pizero £4
[23:17] <Roonix> yeah pihut still have some zero onlys
[23:18] <Lartza> Oh
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[23:18] <Lartza> Right yeah sorry
[23:18] <Chunkyz> I didn't have enough for the kit so just purchased the zero on it's own :p
[23:18] <iKarith> And I have so many USB adapters I'd never pay for those ;)
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[23:19] <Chunkyz> iKarith, I don't. I gotta wait for pay day now :(
[23:20] <Roonix> I ordered 4 this morning (all for different people) will be used as a kodi/retopie box
[23:20] <Chunkyz> today is pay day, mind you. all spent on bills haha
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[23:20] <Chunkyz> Roonix, I'll try and borrow some cash to buy more, £4 you can't complain
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[23:20] <Roonix> yeah for the price they are amazing really
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[23:24] <iKarith> Yikes, shipping from China is basically nothing. From the UK ...
[23:24] <iKarith> Well, I can now say I've seen it in stock ;)
[23:24] <Roonix> yeah its strange just how cheap shipping is from china, you can order like 99p items and get free shipping with it
[23:24] <Chunkyz> Roonix, yeah
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[23:25] <Chunkyz> Roonix, and pay import fees ;)
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[23:25] <iKarith> Roonix: I had an Apple Workstation card (AppleTalk for Apple //e) sent to me from .au and it cost quite a bit less. ;)
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[23:26] <iKarith> That card was about the size of 5 Pi Zeros, and it was about US$5 less to ship :)
[23:27] <Roonix> what you using it for? server or something?
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[23:27] <Roonix> there are so many retro computers I want :D Apple ][ is one of them
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[23:36] <gordonDrogon> Roonix, http://unicorn.drogon.net/lode.jpg
[23:37] <iKarith> Roonix: The Workstation Card? I needed one for testing Raspple II on the Apple //e with A2SERVER/netatalk
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[23:38] <iKarith> Roonix: The Pi Zero with an LCD connector might be more useful than the camera connector for me, since the Pi Zero could just about be perfect for a small touchscreen disk image server, and the Zero is perfect for that
[23:39] <iKarith> Currently nothing in Raspple II would take advantage of a touchscreen like that, but it's on my list
[23:39] <iKarith> Granted it's slightly below giving an Apple //c wifi filesharing ;)
[23:40] <Roonix> ahh that font at the bottom on that Lode game, anyone know the name of it? been trying to find out the name of that font for a while now, was very popular on games in the 80's on the BBC micro and others
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[23:41] <iKarith> The Apple //c never got AppleTalk, its serial ports can't handle the SDLC serial bus, and the support that was there in the //c for it was removed. Oh and the //c has NO SLOTS for expansion whatsoever.
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[23:41] <Roonix> Here's a more clear picture of the font on a clock https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CifG_CiWsAAtgig.jpg
[23:42] <iKarith> But at some point, I'm gonna put a TMS 5220-based Echo II compatible speech board in one, and WiFi TCP/IP-based AppleTalk.
[23:42] <gordonDrogon> Try some of the MICR fonts.
[23:42] * iKarith is a psycho.
[23:42] <gordonDrogon> ala cheque book font.
[23:42] <gordonDrogon> *aka ...
[23:43] <iKarith> Lode Runner did use a MICR-style font, yeah
[23:43] <iKarith> It looked ridiculous. ;)
[23:48] <webdev007> Anyone have experience wiring a pi up to an auto? I was thinking of using something like this: http://www.piups.net/
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[23:50] <ricksl> if you're wiring it to an auto what would be the problem with just connecting it to a 12 volt line from the battery? with a regulator of course
[23:52] <WrinkledCheese_> The PIUPS will send a shutdown signal
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[23:53] <webdev007> yeah, that's the biggy
[23:53] <webdev007> I want it to power off automatically
[23:53] <Berg> the car shuts down wqitrhout notice you need a system in place to allow the pi to continue to run for a time it takes to shut dowqn correctly if intsant shut down is allowed the sdcard maybe corrupted
[23:53] <webdev007> seems pretty straight forward, I was just wondering if anyone had experience with it
[23:54] <webdev007> I heard there may be some concern with lipo's and heat as well
[23:54] <webdev007> in another channel, someone was suggesting running it off the main battery... but potentially hibernating the pi (and using no lipo inline)
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[23:55] <Berg> how much drain on the car battery would that take and how often is the car used
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[23:56] <Berg> my car stays in the garrage for days on end
[23:56] <webdev007> ideally, it would be suspend to disk
[23:56] <webdev007> so no power...
[23:56] <Berg> no good for me to sit at standby
[23:56] <webdev007> its all in my head right now, haven't tested any of it
[23:56] <Berg> there is other systems out there that are car smart
[23:56] <Berg> for the pi
[23:57] <webdev007> oh yeah?
[23:57] <webdev007> if you have any on your mind, I'm interested
[23:57] <webdev007> not ready to get started on it yet, but while I was thinking of it
[23:57] <webdev007> thought I would ask. :-)
[23:57] <WrinkledCheese_> I thought the piups would send the shut down while it would run off the car battery
[23:57] <webdev007> I'll be sure to do some googling when I'm ready to start spending cash on it
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[23:57] <webdev007> I love the thought of a car-puter.
[23:57] <webdev007> I just don't want to introduce vulnerabilities into my brakes...
[23:57] <webdev007> :-)
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[23:58] <stiv> i have the servants warm up the car every day even if i'm not going anywhere. so the battery stays charged
[23:59] <ShorTie> can't leave a pi running in a car
[23:59] <stiv> how long does a pi take to shut down?
[23:59] <Berg> depends on whats running
[23:59] <ShorTie> that is if you don't want to kill your battery
[23:59] <Berg> 30seconds
[23:59] <mgottschlag> alternatively, depending on what the system is supposed to do, it could also be completely read-only
[23:59] <stiv> that's why the servants start the car each day
[23:59] <mgottschlag> then, sudden power loss isn't problematic
[23:59] <WrinkledCheese_> The device webdev007 came in asking about sends s signal to shut down when mains is lost and has backup ( car battery could be used for this )

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