#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2016-05-17

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[0:00] <WrinkledCheese_> On it's website this is a specific case for it's use...
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[0:00] <WrinkledCheese_> shut down the pi that is...
[0:01] <webdev007> WrinkledCheese_: So the main car battery could be "mains" and the power backup while the PI is shutting down?
[0:01] <webdev007> hrm...
[0:01] <webdev007> I guess I hadn't considered that
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[0:02] <CoJaBo> Just don't leave lithium batteries in a car
[0:02] <WrinkledCheese_> webdev, you could have to wire it into the "on or acc" circuit
[0:02] <[Saint]> that's a bit of an old wives tale.
[0:03] <WrinkledCheese_> would have to...
[0:03] <[Saint]> re: leaving cells in a car
[0:03] <CoJaBo> [Saint]: ..?
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[0:03] <[Saint]> CoJaBo: ..?
[0:03] <CoJaBo> wat?
[0:03] <[Saint]> A very large range of consumer electronic goods would disagree with you directly.
[0:04] <WrinkledCheese_> webdev007, that way when you shut off the car, the 12v battery can still power the piups after the car is shut off ( key in the off circuit ) this would let you use the battery as mains and backup and be able to kill mains to pi while maintaining power on piups
[0:04] <[Saint]> see: metric shit-tonne of dash mounted monitors, backup cams, dashcams, GPS, etc.
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[0:04] <webdev007> WrinkledCheese_: What you are saying makes sense... I doesn't look like it comes with a battery (sold separately... this one does though: http://www.modmypi.com/raspberry-pi/breakout-boards/pi-modules/ups-pico )
[0:05] <CoJaBo> [Saint]: Dashcams don't use batteries; they use capacitors
[0:05] <webdev007> seems safer they way you are talking
[0:05] <CoJaBo> (good ones, anyway; not the chinese knockoffs)
[0:05] <WrinkledCheese_> webdev, the car battery can be used as th ebackup
[0:05] <[Saint]> CoJaBo: that
[0:05] <[Saint]> 's an outright lie
[0:05] <Berg> https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/mopi-mobile-pi-power
[0:05] <[Saint]> And also hugely passively racist.
[0:05] <CoJaBo> [Saint]: ..source?
[0:05] <Berg> sheesh
[0:06] <webdev007> Seems like my TomTom has a battery in it... doesn't last very long anymore...
[0:06] <webdev007> Runs linux too... haha
[0:06] <[Saint]> My Garmin does too. And all those before it did as well.
[0:06] <CoJaBo> [Saint]: I left mine in my car once, and it yelled at me
[0:06] <[Saint]> Saying "they don't use cells" is an outright lie.
[0:07] <[Saint]> even if you try add a racist cavest to it.
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[0:07] <Berg> its like a million specs out there you can make your own as there is schematics for lots of ways
[0:07] <CoJaBo> Left a camera in there another time, it killed the battery
[0:07] <[Saint]> *caveat
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[0:07] <[Saint]> And, that's all very well and good - but entirely anecdotal.
[0:07] <CoJaBo> [Saint]: The manual for some devices literally tells you the warranty is void if left in a car
[0:08] <[Saint]> That's nice. But also anecdotal, and completely unenforceable.
[0:08] <CoJaBo> ..isn't the claim that they're fine, also completely anecdotal? :P
[0:08] <[Saint]> Park in the shade and/or use a window cover, and, you're good.
[0:09] <[Saint]> CoJaBo: I never made any such claim.
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[0:10] <[Saint]> But that was a very nice attempt at a diversionary tactic.
[0:10] <WrinkledCheese_> webdev007, if the piups doesn't shut itself down when the pi is off you may still have a drain after the pi shuts down
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[0:11] <CoJaBo> ?
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[0:11] <[Saint]> WrinkledCheese_: If all you're needing to do is power down safely when power is cut then adding a couple of fat capacitors into the power rail should be entirely sufficient.
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[0:12] <ali1234> just like dashcams
[0:12] <[Saint]> *some* dashcams.
[0:12] <ali1234> ironically, the cheap chinese knock offs
[0:12] <[Saint]> Mine is entirely operable without accessory supply.
[0:12] <CoJaBo> *non-sucky* dashcams
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[0:12] <[Saint]> No. Fallacy.
[0:12] <CoJaBo> lol.
[0:13] <ali1234> the non-sucky ones like garmin in fact have a nice big battery so you can use them outside the car
[0:13] <[Saint]> Thank you.
[0:13] <[Saint]> Someone sane.
[0:13] <ali1234> like the zorb... or the vorb or whatever its called
[0:13] <[Saint]> My Garmin has it so that it can wake on high motion detection.
[0:13] <ali1234> it's the cheap ones that only work for like 30 seconds after they are disconnected fromthe car battery
[0:13] <[Saint]> Like, if someone backs into my car and drives off.
[0:13] <CoJaBo> Given that there's not a lot of shade around here, i'd never buy one of those again
[0:13] <[Saint]> It'll wake and record entirely off battery power.
[0:14] <ali1234> well they all do that... but off your car battery power
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[0:14] <[Saint]> They shouldn't be wired to anything other than the accessory rail.
[0:14] <Chunkyz> still in stock at thepihut :O
[0:14] <[Saint]> Not if you like having your battery charged, anyway.
[0:15] <ali1234> yep, true
[0:15] <ali1234> plenty of people don't, apparently
[0:15] <CoJaBo> Most people drive enough to keep it charged
[0:15] <ali1234> also true
[0:15] <Berg> http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=Timer+Control+Module+Trigger+Delay+Switch+5V+-30V&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.XTimer+Control+Module+Trigger+Delay.TRS0&_nkw=Timer+Control+Module+Trigger+Delay&_sacat=0
[0:15] <Berg> oops sorry
[0:16] <[Saint]> Some vehicles keep the accessory rail powered even with the key out of the ignition and off the accesory rail catch on the ignition.
[0:16] <[Saint]> I maintain those vehicles are broken.
[0:16] <CoJaBo> Most older cars I've seen are like that
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[0:17] <CoJaBo> Ones where the thing is still called a "cigar lighter" :P
[0:17] <[Saint]> But, anyway, all I'm trying to say is "battery in GPS/dashcam/etc." != "sucky device", and that "don't leave lipo cells in a vehicle" is, these days, and old wives tale.
[0:17] <[Saint]> Modern cells, at best, will just vent and make a big mess.
[0:17] <[Saint]> Nothing inherently unsafe about that.
[0:17] <Berg> I have 2 liughters in my dash and one is on all the time and one is on only with ignition
[0:17] <CoJaBo> [Saint]: ..ummm, bro
[0:18] <CoJaBo> [Saint]: that's *WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO AVOID*
[0:18] <Berg> so i have t5he best of both world broken and perfect
[0:18] <[Saint]> WHat makes you think I am not aware of that, CoJaBo?
[0:18] <[Saint]> Or is it time for another ignorant claim?
[0:18] <Berg> trol
[0:18] <Berg> stop that please
[0:18] <CoJaBo> [Saint]: You think it's alright because the worst that will happen is "it will destroy itself, probably the device, and maybe your car interior"? rofl
[0:19] <ali1234> leaving batteries in the car in the hot sun is probably abad idea
[0:19] <CoJaBo> ^
[0:19] <ali1234> but i don't care about that because i like in the UK and it is never sunny
[0:19] <Berg> point is what is the best way to have a timer power delay
[0:19] <[Saint]> I never suggested otherwise.
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[0:19] <Berg> the capacitor idea appeals
[0:20] <[Saint]> There seems to be some form of misunderstanding here. CoJaBo has several times seemed to imply he thinks I have said something I have not.
[0:20] <CoJaBo> Because you keep saying that thing :P
[0:20] <[Saint]> All I'm saying is that a blanket statement of "DOn't leave cells in a car" is very highly ignorant.
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[0:20] <ali1234> you should also not leave dogs and babies in the car
[0:21] <ali1234> and pressurized containers
[0:21] <Berg> i leave the dog in the car so they dont streal my baby he protects her
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[0:21] <Berg> <---has all the best plans
[0:21] <[Saint]> A water bottle is infinitely more dangerous to leave in a vehicle than a modern lipo cell is.
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[0:22] <ali1234> hahaha. no
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[0:22] <Berg> ok thats just wrong [Saint]
[0:22] <ricksl> how about those lifepo batteries, those are neat stuff
[0:22] <CoJaBo> [Saint]: Most people don't install water bottles inside their expensive electronics.
[0:22] <[Saint]> The water bottle has a very real chance of ignotion at MUCH lower temps than a lipo will fail at.
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[0:22] <[Saint]> *ignition
[0:22] <Berg> not
[0:22] <CoJaBo> [Saint]: Ignition != failure
[0:22] <ali1234> ignition?
[0:22] <ali1234> you confusing water with petrol?
[0:23] <Berg> i carry a water bottle in my car sinse i could drive in 1967
[0:23] <[Saint]> ali1234: every used a magnifying glass to nuke ants?
[0:23] <[Saint]> Same principle.
[0:23] <ali1234> yeah water doesn't burn dude
[0:23] <[Saint]> But the cars interior will. Happily.
[0:23] <ali1234> oh i get you
[0:23] <ali1234> transparent bottle
[0:23] <ricksl> i've actually heard of that happening
[0:23] <[Saint]> Right.
[0:23] <ali1234> yeah me too
[0:23] <Berg> ok your not listening saint
[0:23] <ali1234> no he's right
[0:23] <ali1234> he's just being an ass :)
[0:24] <[Saint]> That's the best kind of right!
[0:24] <[Saint]> ;)
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[0:24] <Berg> anyway why we going here its not the topic at hand its car power supply?
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[0:24] <ali1234> still not sure i'd say it;s more dangerous though
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[0:25] <[Saint]> there's a much higher chance of ignotion at much lower temperatures than a lipo cell will fail at.
[0:25] <CoJaBo> I still need to find a tiny 12v-5v converter
[0:25] <Berg> and a water bottle does not mean a glass bottle full of water
[0:25] <CoJaBo> Ignition != failure
[0:25] <Berg> it can be any conatiner of water
[0:25] <mgottschlag> huh, lipo cells don't just vent
[0:25] <[Saint]> Berg: it needn't be glass. ANd it needn't be anywhere near full.
[0:25] <mgottschlag> oops, forgot to scroll down
[0:26] <Berg> you did not specify glass [Saint]
[0:26] <Berg> you said water bottle
[0:26] <CoJaBo> A water bottle does not become useless, or cause damage to surroundings, just because you left it at 180°.
[0:26] <[Saint]> Berg: precisely, and, that was deliberate.
[0:26] <CoJaBo> A battery does.
[0:26] <Berg> so you was being disruptive
[0:26] <Berg> stop it
[0:26] <CoJaBo> He trollin’
[0:26] <Berg> yes
[0:26] <[Saint]> No. You;re just either being deliberately ignorant, or having a real trouble understanding something plainly clear.
[0:27] <Berg> Ok im classed as ignoprant and your on ignore
[0:27] <[Saint]> I will weep for the loss.
[0:27] <CoJaBo> [Saint]: It's simple math, bro. A $2 water bottle is worth $2 after a day in a hot car. A $40 battery is worth $0 after a day in a hot car.
[0:28] <[Saint]> CoJaBo: the water bottle has a very real change of taking the whole car with it.
[0:28] <[Saint]> The battery does not.
[0:28] <ali1234> so the question is what's the MOST dangerous common household object you could leave in a hot/sunny car?
[0:28] <CoJaBo> ali1234: A baby
[0:28] <methuzla> a human being
[0:28] <Berg> do babies explode
[0:28] <Berg> nar
[0:28] <ali1234> i don't think so
[0:28] <Berg> a drunk?
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[0:28] <[Saint]> How the hell is a baby dangerous to leave in a...
[0:29] <[Saint]> Wow man.
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[0:29] <ricksl> just because we have never seen a baby explode doesn't mean that it isn't liable to
[0:29] <mgottschlag> I usually keep water bottles in the back in the foot area... no way they can cause any damage there :)
[0:29] <ali1234> i'm gonna go with... bullets?
[0:29] <CoJaBo> [Saint]: It is dangerous to your ability to not spend the rest of your life in jail.
[0:29] <CoJaBo> Bullets only go off at hundreds of degrees tho
[0:29] <ali1234> cook-off could be nasty. i bet it's happened too
[0:29] <[Saint]> No one's getting life for involuntary manslaughter.
[0:29] <Zardoz> mgottschlag: what if they leak?
[0:29] <[Saint]> Hell. No one's getting life for voluntary manslaughter.
[0:30] <[Saint]> ali1234: Ehhh...I dunno man.
[0:30] <Berg> maybe some them propane gass cartages for your outdoor cooker?
[0:30] <mgottschlag> Zardoz: yeah, okay, but... still, they can't destroy the whole car :)
[0:30] <[Saint]> ali1234: very high ignition temps, and, when not contained, very very little explosive force.
[0:30] <CoJaBo> Berg: Those could cause a niice carbecue.
[0:30] <Berg> i think i picked the winner?
[0:30] <Berg> do i get a prise?
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[0:31] <[Saint]> You win - a dictionary/thesaurus.
[0:31] <ali1234> [Saint]: loaded gun then?
[0:31] <[Saint]> ali1234: Hmmm, perhaps.
[0:31] <[Saint]> The car would probably catch fire long before you reached ignition temps for the primer though.
[0:31] <CoJaBo> Berg: A new car! http://i.imgur.com/0QW6yuG.jpg
[0:32] <[Saint]> The entire firearm would need to be brought up to several hundred degrees celcius.
[0:32] <webdev007> Wow... I'm super concerned about my car-puter now.
[0:32] <Berg> thats not new
[0:32] <webdev007> You guys have me worried! :-)
[0:32] <CoJaBo> Berg: It was before the accident.
[0:32] <Berg> look at the rust
[0:32] <Berg> hehehe
[0:32] <CoJaBo> ali1234: People do leave guns and ammo in ovens.
[0:32] <[Saint]> webdev007: my view on the entire conversation was that there's no real reason to be.
[0:32] <Zardoz> CoJaBo: they do
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[0:33] <CoJaBo> webdev007: I can promise you it will ruin the battery, and likely whatever the battery is mounted to.
[0:33] <ricksl> if you wanna do a carputer with a battery backup like that i just suggest one thing, if you're gonna have a battery make it a LIFEPO battery instead of lipoly or lion, supposedly they can handle abuses like cold and hot better
[0:33] <ali1234> i can't find reliable numbers on how hot a car can get
[0:33] <ali1234> it's all PETA propaganda which i don't believe at all
[0:33] <[Saint]> CoJaBo: and there we go again, making foolish blanket statements that are totally unverifiable.
[0:33] <CoJaBo> ali1234: I've heard 190°F at the high end
[0:33] <[Saint]> By your metrics, my GPS would be unusable by the very fact that it exists.
[0:34] <mgottschlag> http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_at_high_and_low_temperatures
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[0:34] <[Saint]> It isn't, therefore, invalid statement is invalid.
[0:34] <Berg> try very hot ali1234
[0:34] <ali1234> it's going to vary a LOT depending on where you live too
[0:34] <Zardoz> ali1234: I can tell you over 140F
[0:34] <[Saint]> Precisely.
[0:34] <mgottschlag> (for an overview over suggested temperature ranges)
[0:34] <[Saint]> Which is why I reject the blanket statement.
[0:34] <[Saint]> People seem to think I'm arguing that heat can ruin a battery.
[0:34] <Zardoz> ali1234: I had a car that would do that.
[0:34] <[Saint]> I'm not.
[0:34] <[Saint]> I'm saying that "leaveing a battery in your car WILL ruin it" is ridiculous.
[0:34] <mgottschlag> a car rarely becomes warmer than 45 degrees C :)
[0:34] <[Saint]> ...because it is.
[0:35] <[Saint]> mgottschlag: precisely.
[0:35] <ali1234> 140F is only 60C
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[0:35] <ali1234> that's nowhere near enough to make a lipo explode
[0:35] <CoJaBo> ali1234: Explode, no; fail, yes.
[0:35] <ali1234> no, not even fail
[0:35] <Zardoz> it could fail
[0:35] <ali1234> they get hotter than that during charging
[0:35] <mgottschlag> webdev007: if you use lithium cells, just don't build the charging circuitry yourself, because *that's* where people make mistakes and cause batteries to burn
[0:35] <Zardoz> yes I know it can fail
[0:35] <Berg> i would suggest over 70c in australia because they have had rep[orts of these temps and dead kids
[0:35] <ali1234> if it fails it was a dud already
[0:35] <Zardoz> I had it happen
[0:36] <CoJaBo> ali1234: The charger should shut down long before that; it's faulty if it doesn't
[0:36] <[Saint]> Absolutely. A LIPO can easily get to 80C when charging.
[0:36] <ali1234> and it won't vent at that temperature... no way
[0:36] <Zardoz> and I have had 18650s fail too
[0:36] <[Saint]> And, no, 80C is well within operation range.
[0:36] <ali1234> not unless you also are hitting it with a hammer
[0:36] <CoJaBo> [Saint]: ..what the hell kind of battery do you have that's rated for 80?
[0:36] <mgottschlag> [Saint]: well, if the lipo reaches 80 degrees during charging, then the charger is not worth its money :)
[0:36] <CoJaBo> [Saint]: Srsly, link me bro.
[0:37] <mgottschlag> not many batteries officially support 80 degrees
[0:37] <ali1234> i will link you
[0:37] <[Saint]> CoJaBo: pretty much every modern cell in existence.
[0:37] <[Saint]> You seem to be blissfully ignorant of modern LIPO cells and their specification.
[0:37] <ali1234> but first i need to go through my reddit history to find the link
[0:37] <[Saint]> Despite making claims that assume you do.
[0:37] <Zardoz> omg I though you typed lick me bro, lmao
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[0:37] <CoJaBo> [Saint]: Again, source or it's a lie.
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[0:38] <[Saint]> Where's your source on "you can't leave cells in a car", honey?
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[0:38] <[Saint]> Or do we accept now that at best it is disingenuous, or at worst, an outright lie.
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[0:39] <Zardoz> I am also saying it did not happen in one day. but over a course of a week or so. and very much might have need some dud. but it did...
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[0:39] <CoJaBo> [Saint]: Source: I've left batteries in cars.
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[0:40] <mgottschlag> everything I find has a temperature range of 0 to 60 degrees C :)
[0:40] <ali1234> https://www.powerstream.com/p/INR18650-25R-datasheet.pdf - datasheet
[0:40] <ali1234> see last page
[0:40] <[Saint]> mgottschlag: that's the recommended operational range for safe charging. Not the operational failure range.
[0:41] <CoJaBo> Yeh, charging temp is much lower than operating
[0:41] <Zardoz> I will go to say it's not a good idea to leave "portable" electronics is cars. at least in direct sunlight.
[0:41] <CoJaBo> Both are still lower than a car in direct sun in the middle US states
[0:41] <mgottschlag> nope, that was the operational range for discharging... obviously that includes quite some error margin
[0:41] <ali1234> according to the samsung spec, their battery will do no more than leak if you heat them to 140C
[0:42] <ali1234> no smoke, no flames
[0:42] <[Saint]> Precisely.
[0:42] <[Saint]> you'll get a puddle of messy black goop.
[0:42] <ali1234> they also give stats for "storage at 60C"
[0:42] <CoJaBo> ali1234: A car can easily get to 140° on a cool day
[0:43] <ali1234> 140F yeah
[0:43] <ali1234> that's 60C
[0:43] <[Saint]> 140F
[0:43] <[Saint]> not 140C, lol.
[0:43] <[Saint]> not even close.
[0:43] <ali1234> 140C would melt the car
[0:43] <Zardoz> 140C jebus
[0:43] <[Saint]> Indeed.
[0:43] <CoJaBo> ..wait, what batt is that? o_O
[0:43] <ali1234> just a basic samsung 18650
[0:43] <[Saint]> You couldn't even get that parked in the middle of the Death Basin with all the windows up.
[0:43] <CoJaBo> 140C for a lithium battery? And not a typo lol?
[0:44] <[Saint]> No. This is normal, everyday, nothing special funtionality.
[0:44] <ali1234> 140C is the safety test
[0:44] <[Saint]> Its just how modern LIPOs do.
[0:44] <ali1234> that's the maximum temperature before it catches fire basically
[0:44] <ali1234> the battery is only rated for 60C if you want it to keep working
[0:44] <CoJaBo> ali1234: "catches fire" lol
[0:45] <[Saint]> It'll exceed that pretty easily, though.
[0:45] <ali1234> they don't list an actual temperature where it catches fire
[0:45] <CoJaBo> They fail well before the "goes nuclear" temp
[0:45] <ali1234> 140C is the max temperature they are willing to state that it doesn't
[0:45] <mgottschlag> note that even that battery is only specified for discharge up to 75C
[0:45] <ali1234> yes of course they do. that's why 140C is in the L1 category
[0:45] <CoJaBo> Yeh, but it still implies the *failure* temp is anything above 60C
[0:46] <[Saint]> And, no, it might not necessarily fail. The observable lifespan will be very greatly diminished, though.
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[0:46] <ali1234> after a long enough time, yes
[0:46] <ali1234> but the capacity always diminishes no matter what on lipos
[0:46] <ali1234> it's only a matter of time
[0:46] <[Saint]> The battery in your phone will get to over 60C when charging if ambient is around 35~40C.
[0:46] <[Saint]> And it won't kill it.
[0:46] <CoJaBo> Most people don't want to replace them monthly tho
[0:46] <[Saint]> ...at least not immediately.
[0:47] <[Saint]> Just looking at my phone now and the battery is 45C, and there's expected to be a ~15C +/- swing today.
[0:47] <[Saint]> So, I'll let you knw after my battery doesn't fail.
[0:48] <ali1234> if i am reading the sheet right, after 50 days at 60C the battery retained 80% charge and could be recharged up to 90% of the initial capacity
[0:48] <[Saint]> Bingo.
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[0:48] <[Saint]> I love you right now, ali1234.
[0:48] <[Saint]> Singlehandedly putting this insanity to bed.
[0:49] <Berg> oops
[0:49] <CoJaBo> Berg: They make those, actually..
[0:49] <exonormal> lol.. use an auto battery
[0:49] <WrinkledCheese_> Building Android 6.0
[0:49] * WrinkledCheese_ crosses fingers
[0:49] <[Saint]> WrinkledCheese_: not for a pi, I hope.
[0:49] <mgottschlag> exonormal: I think lead acid actually has quite high self discharge
[0:49] <WrinkledCheese_> For Pi2
[0:50] <Berg> they also cost a arm and a leg and maybe 75 goats
[0:50] <exonormal> only if you set it on ground
[0:50] <[Saint]> WrinkledCheese_: you realize it'll be completely unusable, right?
[0:50] <mgottschlag> I've seen at least batteries for 20y+ operation for embedded systems, with acceptable price
[0:50] <mgottschlag> not rechargeable though
[0:50] <CoJaBo> mgottschlag: The FBI uses them lol
[0:50] <WrinkledCheese_> Saint, why?
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[0:50] <[Saint]> WrinkledCheese_: no GPU accelerated UI stack == "you're going to have a really terrible time".
[0:50] <CoJaBo> mgottschlag: Just find your local drug kingpin, and take them out of his GPS tracker
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[0:51] <[Saint]> WrinkledCheese_: it will be, basically, completely unusable.
[0:51] <WrinkledCheese_> That's fine. I want Ok Google
[0:51] <CoJaBo> Forget what type they are; it was something exotic
[0:51] <WrinkledCheese_> It's a prototype so I can wow investors and say give me money so I can make this work better.
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[0:52] <[Saint]> WrinkledCheese_: but it never will. Why would you not use a board that actually can offer a compatible graphics stack?
[0:52] <WrinkledCheese_> Because this is what I have
[0:52] <jrg> like a bananapi?
[0:52] <WrinkledCheese_> If this doesn't work I will look an An Odroid c1+
[0:52] <jrg> does that do hw accel video?
[0:52] <[Saint]> No.
[0:53] <WrinkledCheese_> I would just prefer not to spend $200 I don't have to
[0:53] <[Saint]> What on Earth makes you think an ODROID is $200?
[0:53] <ShorTie> i'd go C2
[0:53] <WrinkledCheese_> I want the 3.2TFT and that's not compatible with the C2
[0:54] <WrinkledCheese_> saint odroid + screen + accessories I need that are compatible + CAD TO USD exchange
[0:54] <ShorTie> Y ! ??
[0:54] <[Saint]> have you by any chance viewed any of the available videos of "Android * running on RaspberryPi"?
[0:54] <WrinkledCheese_> I priced one today. $110 USD + S&H + customs + tax
[0:54] <[Saint]> If not, you should.
[0:54] <WrinkledCheese_> I have
[0:54] <[Saint]> I'm really not joking, even overclocking on the Pi3 and it is absolutely and completely unusable.
[0:54] <WrinkledCheese_> It's fine. I need to be able to speak into a mic and say ok google ( possible Jarvis ) and turn on a relay usiong GPIO
[0:55] <WrinkledCheese_> an app which has a manual toggle switchs is all i need
[0:55] <WrinkledCheese_> Based on what I've seen on Youtube, this is more than doable.
[0:55] <[Saint]> ...y'know there's a whole bunch of voice services that don't rely on Android and are equally functional, not closed source, and easily deployable?
[0:56] <WrinkledCheese_> Nope.
[0:56] <[Saint]> Android for this is overkill.
[0:56] <[Saint]> In a very large way.
[0:56] <ali1234> there is nothing open source that is anywhere near as good as google
[0:56] <[Saint]> Hell, the Alexa stack is entirely open.
[0:56] * ozzzy would love to install android on his pi
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[0:56] <WrinkledCheese_> Are they as good as Google Now and do they work with the new Parsy McParseFace
[0:56] <WrinkledCheese_> That google just open sourced like 4 days ago
[0:56] <[Saint]> ozzzy: not if you like it being usable.
[0:57] <ozzzy> [Saint], android is quite usable
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[0:57] <WrinkledCheese_> saint this is a prototype. next hardware will keep in mind I "need" android and google
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[0:57] <[Saint]> ozzzy: you and I have a very different definition of usable, then.
[0:57] <[Saint]> userspace runs at like 12fps.
[0:57] <ali1234> why don't you just go and buy any android phone and that is your prototype?
[0:57] <ozzzy> I don't need the power of linux at all
[0:57] <WrinkledCheese_> This is literally for a 5 minute pitch for a $50,000 competition. Last year a pizza ordering app won.
[0:58] <ozzzy> even though linux is at the base of android
[0:58] <WrinkledCheese_> saint, 12fps is fine. They're not going to look at it
[0:58] <[Saint]> Not really.
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[0:58] <ozzzy> yeah... really
[0:58] <[Saint]> re: linux being the base of Android
[0:58] <WrinkledCheese_> They're going to see a tiny device and me speaking into a mic to turn on a light bulb and maybe play some ridiculous song, like towlie form south park singing funky town
[0:58] <[Saint]> userspace is SOMPLETELY different, and the kernel has diverged so much it isn;t even close anymore.
[0:59] <ali1234> WrinkledCheese_: just get a cheap phone and use that and have it send a message to a bluetooth controlled light bulb. congratulations you have invented IoT technology from 2014
[0:59] <ozzzy> Android's kernel is based on one of the Linux kernel's long-term support (LTS) branches. Since April 2014, Android devices mainly use versions 3.4 or 3.10 of the Linux kernel.
[0:59] <[Saint]> I never argued otherwise.
[1:00] <[Saint]> But "based on" != "is".
[1:00] * Berg just got 50 NE555 chips in the mail
[1:00] <ozzzy> and that's the good thing about linux
[1:00] * Berg does the happy dance
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[1:01] <ali1234> the android linux kernel has not diverged that much
[1:01] <WrinkledCheese_> ali1234 you're right it's old but it's what else I have in my pitch. This is oging to be the opening (30 )seconds of a 5 minute pitch
[1:01] <ali1234> it is actually less different now than it used to be
[1:01] <ali1234> most of it was upstreamed
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[1:01] <WrinkledCheese_> Android 6 is based on 4.4
[1:02] <WrinkledCheese_> I believe
[1:02] <[Saint]> WrinkledCheese_: have you considered Mycroft? Or the Alexa stack?
[1:02] <ali1234> userland of course is completely different in every possible way
[1:02] <WrinkledCheese_> saint no
[1:02] <[Saint]> I mean, don;t get me wrong, I have no idea about the competition you're entering - it just doesn't really seem like you're actually doing anything.
[1:03] <ali1234> although linux has at least four competing userlands at this point
[1:03] <[Saint]> From the description you could basically just buy an Android device, put it in a box, and say you invented something great.
[1:04] <ali1234> android/red hat/canonical/"classic"
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[1:04] <[Saint]> WrinkledCheese_: https://github.com/amzn/alexa-avs-raspberry-pi for instance
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[1:06] <WrinkledCheese_> [Saint], have you heard of the parsey mcparse face?
[1:06] <[Saint]> I mean, it's your project, and I realize you're prototyping and everything you have is subject to change.
[1:06] <[Saint]> I'm just trying to say that adding Android to this mix makes it needlessly dense and convoluted.
[1:06] <WrinkledCheese_> end result will be custom hardware with off the shelf soc
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[1:07] <[Saint]> This could be achieved with a lot less overhead if you didn't want to go down the Android route specifically.
[1:07] <ali1234> i still dont understand why you don'tjust write an android app. $50000 isn't enough to develop custom hardware you know that right?
[1:07] <[Saint]> And if the user won't actually be interacting with the Android userspace I think there's even less reason to use it.
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[1:08] <ali1234> just write the app, put it on the store, ???, profit
[1:08] <WrinkledCheese_> ali1234, sure isn't it's money I can leverage for government grants etc.
[1:08] <[Saint]> ali1234: you wouldn't even need to write anything.
[1:08] <[Saint]> Not a single thing.
[1:08] <WrinkledCheese_> ali1234 nope
[1:08] <[Saint]> Android. OK Google. And Tasker.
[1:08] <[Saint]> Boom. Done.
[1:09] <[Saint]> That's my large concern here. Nothing that is actually novel in and of itself.
[1:09] <WrinkledCheese_> http://googleresearch.blogspot.ca/2016/05/announcing-syntaxnet-worlds-most.html
[1:09] <WrinkledCheese_> Parsey McParseface
[1:10] <[Saint]> I was wondering how you intended to interface with an entirely closed application with a host of non-public APIs.
[1:10] <[Saint]> Google is pretty adamant about not wanting third parties to directly interface with Google Now.
[1:12] <[Saint]> Please, don't get me wrong here. The idea is a sound one. I'm just not convinced that a hell of a lot of thought has gone into the deployment.
[1:12] <WrinkledCheese_> About 3 days worth
[1:12] <WrinkledCheese_> Look at the posting date of that
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[1:12] <WrinkledCheese_> I have what I have on hand.
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[1:13] <WrinkledCheese_> That's a Pi, Pi2 and KeDei touch screen and sainsmart relay
[1:13] <ali1234> i once heard of someone who wrote an android app which did nothing but use the google api for speech reconition and then post the result to a computer
[1:13] <[Saint]> I'm very sorry, then. I suppose I get to be the bug bad guy that points out that a user can only interact with Google now with a very limited set of predefined allowed actions.
[1:13] <ali1234> that will be the easiest way to prototype
[1:13] <[Saint]> There's really no way to add user customization or user rules to Google Now at all.
[1:13] <ali1234> porting all of android just to getthat functionality will be really hard
[1:13] <WrinkledCheese_> there used to be an app that would make it possible to change ok google to something else entirely....google made them stop because of the "don't use our API" positin they have
[1:14] <WrinkledCheese_> Android was ported enough for my requirements
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[1:14] <WrinkledCheese_> The only reason I need to compile my own is because my touch screen needs a few kernel mods because that's how the Chinese company deploy a driver...kernel patches
[1:14] <ali1234> doesn't chrome also have it btw?
[1:14] <[Saint]> Yes.
[1:15] <ali1234> i think chromeOS works slightly better on the pi
[1:15] <[Saint]> Theres absolutely no way to do it without decompiling the Search application and changing the activation strings, but that only solves one problem. You be able to say to it "Ok, Jarvis" or whatever...but, it will still only be limited to the interactions it is already capable of.
[1:15] <[Saint]> You can not add in any functionality to it, because that isn;t handled client side.
[1:15] <ali1234> screen scrape the words... easy
[1:16] <[Saint]> Like, you won;t be able to do "Ok, Jarvis, turn my lights on for me"
[1:16] <[Saint]> etc.
[1:16] <[Saint]> You'll be limited to what Google Now can already do and no more.
[1:16] <ali1234> they are missing a trick there, imo
[1:17] <[Saint]> Yes.
[1:17] <[Saint]> Absolutely.
[1:17] <Zardoz> yeah 100%
[1:17] <[Saint]> A voiced controlled....whatever. Its a great idea. But if you want it to be expandable, Google Now isn;t the ticket to that destination.
[1:18] <WrinkledCheese_> google now is the prototype
[1:18] <[Saint]> People already have a device that can do that in their pockets.
[1:18] <WrinkledCheese_> I don't have time to write my own googl enow using parsey mcparseface
[1:18] <[Saint]> But surely they'll want to see you demo something that a user can't already do with their mobile devices?
[1:19] <WrinkledCheese_> I want a voice controlled relay for my pitch
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[1:19] <[Saint]> Right. I understand that. And I'm saying that Google Now is not the ticket to that destination.
[1:19] <[Saint]> There's no way to add custom actions to it directly.
[1:20] <[Saint]> Whereas there /are/ several open voice control libraries and userspace applications for the raspi that you can customize the crap out of.
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[1:20] <WrinkledCheese_> like parsey mcparse face
[1:20] <[Saint]> That's nice. But you have no way to interface it with Google Now.
[1:20] <[Saint]> I'm not sure how else to relay that to you.
[1:21] <[Saint]> I would like to explain it more clearly but I don't know how.
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[1:21] <ali1234> people dont like talking to their phone anyway
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[1:21] <Zardoz> I do
[1:21] <WrinkledCheese_> google now, tell jarvis ( contact in my phone ) to turn the light on. I now have a trigger I can do anythign with
[1:21] <ali1234> that's why they invented robi
[1:22] <[Saint]> But there is, for instance:
[1:22] <[Saint]> - Jasper
[1:22] <[Saint]> - VoiceControl
[1:22] <[Saint]> - Voice Control
[1:22] <[Saint]> ...and a host of other open Raspi voice control stacks.
[1:22] <WrinkledCheese_> do they work as well as google now?
[1:22] <Berg> danger will robinson
[1:22] <shauno> I want to like it. so star trek. very wow. but the self-conscious kicks in and you realise how stupid you look
[1:22] <[Saint]> That you *will* be able to use with Parsey Mc Parseface, Boaty Mc Boatfacce...or wh tever Mc ahateverfacae you want.W
[1:22] <ali1234> shauno: you need robi!
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[1:22] <[Saint]> WrinkledCheese_: Yes.
[1:22] <ali1234> http://www.model-space.com/gb/build-your-own-robi.html
[1:22] <WrinkledCheese_> that's all I need
[1:23] <shauno> 60 quid a month for 18 months?!
[1:23] <ali1234> or wait for sanyo to sell it as a product
[1:23] <Berg> send robi to me please
[1:23] <shauno> I could hire a romanian for that
[1:23] <ali1234> i saw the inventor at a show
[1:23] <Berg> send it
[1:23] <ali1234> he talked about his whole reason for inventing it... because people don't like talking tocomputers
[1:24] <ali1234> so he made it humanoid
[1:24] <ali1234> it's not really able to do anything but ... emote
[1:24] <Zardoz> robi mcroface
[1:24] <ali1234> neat little thing though
[1:24] <ricksl> i used to have one of those robosapiens, those things are still pretty neat
[1:24] <[Saint]> WrinkledCheese_: I'm gussing this is your fiest attempt at such a project?
[1:24] <[Saint]> The whopre "not ac
[1:24] <Berg> get a voice recognition pi
[1:24] <ricksl> i should find it and shove a pi in it
[1:24] <ali1234> robi is way better than robosapien :)
[1:25] <Berg> can we have a OS made likew that please3?
[1:25] <shauno> reminds me of rapiro. but at 4x the price
[1:25] <WrinkledCheese_> yup read about parsey mcparse face abnd had an idea for a competition with an application deadline in the end of june
[1:25] <ricksl> the thing literally had 8D cells embedded around its body
[1:26] <[Saint]> WrinkledCheese_: Right. I kinda guessed. I suspected you hadn't actually researched the softare you intended to use tn detail.
[1:26] <ali1234> hmm not sanyo... who made those little mini pcs in the 90s?
[1:26] <ali1234> sharp?
[1:27] <ricksl> sony?
[1:27] <[Saint]> I don't mean offense.
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[1:27] <[Saint]> It just shows.
[1:27] <ali1234> http://www.theverge.com/2016/4/14/11428856/sharp-robohon-robot-phone-price-release-date
[1:27] <ali1234> that's the product version
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[1:27] <ricksl> these things were pretty boss back in the day http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/05/16/sony_unveils_vaio_ux/
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[1:29] <[Saint]> https://jasperproject.github.io/ - Jasper
[1:29] <[Saint]> https://oscarliang.com/raspberry-pi-voice-recognition-works-like-siri/ - Raspberry Pi Speech Recognition
[1:29] <[Saint]> http://stevenhickson.blogspot.co.nz/2013/04/voice-control-on-raspberry-pi.html - Voice Control
[1:29] <[Saint]> etcetera
[1:29] <[Saint]> Google N
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[1:29] <[Saint]> ow is a dead end.
[1:29] <ali1234> $1800... hmm
[1:30] <[Saint]> WrinkledCheese_: I would sugg
[1:30] <ali1234> released in 9 days!
[1:30] <[Saint]> est you look at those
[1:30] <[Saint]> sorry - keboard batterries faillyllllllllin
[1:30] <[Saint]> gah
[1:31] <ali1234> shouldnt have left it in the car
[1:31] <[Saint]> .
[1:31] <[Saint]> loll
[1:31] <[Saint]> I would g
[1:31] <[Saint]> >.> I give up
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[1:32] <ricksl> granted i don't speak japanese, the voice actually sounds soothing compared to a lot of robotic voices we have over here
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[1:45] <hondz> Hi. Can you host 10 low-traffic websites on a single raspberry pi ?
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[1:48] <pksato> hondz: yes. not have limit.
[1:48] <hondz> pksato: Well the limit is in the hardware
[1:48] <hondz> pksato: And the internet connection
[1:48] <pksato> no.
[1:48] <hondz> pksato: What no ? You can host 1000 sites on a single pi ?
[1:49] <pksato> Yes.
[1:49] <hondz> pksato: If they have zero traffic :P
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[1:51] <exonormal> or with a lot of traffic could be like molasses....
[1:53] <pksato> software limit can reach before hardware.
[1:55] <pksato> hondz: On pratice, depend of type of the content.
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[2:15] <supersmilers> I'm curious about which Control PCB to buy for my fightstick arcade console powered by Pi 2B. I'm stuck between i-Pac and RetroPie ControlBlock. Any thoughts?
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[2:19] <Techtony96> Hey guys, I just got a raspberry pi 3, and can not get my mouse working though my USB hub.
[2:19] <Techtony96> the USB hub is powered, and is this one: http://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Port-2-5A-power-adapter/dp/B00DQFGH80
[2:20] <supersmilers> Techtony96: which mouse? I got my mouse working via both hub and pi
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[2:20] <Techtony96> Its a G700, it works when directly connected to the pi, but not through the hub
[2:20] <Techtony96> (Using the wireless dongle)
[2:21] <Techtony96> I havent tested the hub with anything else, so so far I havent gotten anything to work on the Hub
[2:21] <Techtony96> other than the fact that it powers the pi
[2:21] * Zardoz bet it has something to do with power
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[2:22] <supersmilers> usually gaming mouse don't have drivers loaded by default on Pi. most generic mouse drivers are loaded automatically
[2:22] <Techtony96> I am also testing without using the hub as a power source, using just my 1.67 amp ac to usb converted
[2:23] <Techtony96> supersmilers: It works when the wireless dongle is connected directly to the pi though
[2:24] <Techtony96> I havent been able to try any commands in the console either, because my keyboard will draw more than .5 amp (LED backlit and such)
[2:24] <supersmilers> Ah. I'm guessing its depends on the hub, if the hub has 2A power then it would power all the ports
[2:24] * Zardoz rule #56 dont use USB hub power to power the pi.
[2:24] <Techtony96> is there a way to see connected devices?
[2:25] <Zardoz> lsusb
[2:25] <Techtony96> Zardoz: I am currently not using the hub to power the pi
[2:25] <Techtony96> Is there an on screen keyboard?
[2:26] <supersmilers> my belkin USB 3 hub is 2A but it doesn't have cross power filter to prevent the Pi being powered by the hub
[2:26] <Techtony96> When i unplug the micro usb cable the pi shuts off, even with the powered hub plugged in
[2:27] <supersmilers> ah i guessing yours has the cross power filter
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[2:28] <Techtony96> I still dont understand why my mouse doesnt work plugged into the hub
[2:28] <Zardoz> Techtony96: is that a USB3 hub?
[2:29] <Techtony96> Yes
[2:29] <Zardoz> bingo
[2:29] <Techtony96> Seriously?
[2:29] <Zardoz> yup
[2:29] <Techtony96> USB 3 us backwards compatable though
[2:29] <Zardoz> yup
[2:29] <PhotoJim> your mouse is USB 1.1 (that's fast enough)... it might be your hub isn't quite backwards compatible enough, or your mouse isn't forward compatible enough
[2:29] <PhotoJim> in theory it should work
[2:29] <PhotoJim> but in practice, not always
[2:29] <Zardoz> get a USB 2 hub
[2:30] <PhotoJim> that's exactly why almost all machines with USB 3.0 ports also have at least one 2.0 port
[2:30] <Zardoz> hell not all USB 1.1 work with 2.0
[2:31] <Zardoz> it's better but...
[2:31] <Zardoz> I have a USB 1.1 keyboard that flakes on most systems now days.
[2:32] <supersmilers> Anyway, any suggestions on which USB encoder/PCB to buy for my fightstick console?
[2:32] <Zardoz> it's a DECK 82 key
[2:32] <PhotoJim> Zardoz: old keyboard?
[2:32] <PhotoJim> must be
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[2:32] <PhotoJim> all keyboards are USB 1.1 as far as I know
[2:32] <Zardoz> PhotoJim: it is
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[2:33] <Zardoz> PhotoJim: http://deckkeyboards.com/product/deck-82
[2:33] <Zardoz> that keyboard is a tank
[2:34] <PhotoJim> Cherry switches, nice
[2:34] <Zardoz> oh yeah clack clack
[2:34] <supersmilers> http://petrockblog.storenvy.com/products/13969497-controlblock or http://www.ultimarc.com/ipac1.html ? I'm stumped on which one to buy for the sake of making fightstick work
[2:36] <Zardoz> PhotoJim: the cool thing is I got that keyboard at a thrift store for $5
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[2:39] <supersmilers> anyone?
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[2:42] <Chryodem> sorry, never dealt with fight stick
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[2:44] <halogen> My rpi alarm clock died on me. I could ssh into it but ls segfaulted and generally things acted weird
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[2:44] <supersmilers> oh. I'm just curious since I wanted to build a portable "plug n play" arcade since my old one from walmart broke
[2:45] <halogen> replaced it with a new pi and everything worked, old one doesn't want to start up anymore
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[2:45] <halogen> anything I can find in the logs? messages doesn't show anything
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[2:56] <bberg> Howdy
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[3:03] <exonormal> ydwoH
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[3:10] <micros> hello. i am mighty perplexed. i have code that has been well used to get the network connection link state via RTM_NEWLINK on linux. however, after upgrading to 'Jessie'. i never get the newlink event. any ideas?
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[3:11] <micros> i have a pi 2 b+. With wheezy, the code is fine. On jessie, i get unblocked from the socket to receive the event, but newlink is never the event type. newaddress occurs, but this is not typically the event that should be used for this
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[3:16] <micros> nevermind. solved. the NLMSG_OK() macro is checking length of the buffer. I only allocated 1024. In this release, the data portion is larger. I changed the buffer to 4096 and its ok
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[3:24] <Berg> takes ages to install lightmd
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[4:00] <exonormal> takes an instant to install Jessie...
[4:01] <Berg> i had a dog called jessie i shoit it
[4:01] <Berg> boom
[4:01] <exonormal> lol
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[4:11] <WrinkledCheese_> [Saint], https://cloud.google.com/speech/ apparently they have an API and it's free right now. You just have to have a Cloud Account.
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[4:17] <bberg> Is wheezy still supported/
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[4:26] <exonormal> bberg: yes
[4:26] <exonormal> maybe in the github site...
[4:27] <bberg> I'll give it a look - ty
[4:27] <exonormal> yw
[4:27] <exonormal> bberg: just do sudo apt-get update wheezy
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[4:28] <exonormal> that would tell you if it is still supported
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[4:35] <bberg> meh - doesn't matter.. not my problem :( thanks tho
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[4:37] <exonormal> yw
[4:37] <exonormal> tried to help
[4:40] <bberg> exonormal: thanks, i learned something new :)
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[4:42] <exonormal> yw
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[5:38] <hypermist> dang pihut's still instock haha
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[6:01] <Crom> I ordered 2 1 from adafruit and 1 from thepihut
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[6:05] <bberg> Is there a way to confirm that the GUI isn't open? I want SSH and changed raspi-config
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[6:06] <bberg> SSH only*
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[6:16] <Azulflame> you can check top and see if x11 or x-org is running
[6:17] <Azulflame> terminal -> run "top", Shift + [.] until you are sorting by name, and arrows to scroll
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[6:50] <hypermist> Crom, niceee
[6:50] <hypermist> im saving for a 2.2" screen
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[6:52] <Azulflame> hypermist, how big are you?
[6:52] <Azulflame> 6"?
[6:52] <hypermist> Azulflame, wut
[6:53] <Azulflame> a 2.2" screen is tiny
[6:53] <hypermist> Indeed it is
[6:53] <Azulflame> trying to make a joke
[6:53] <hypermist> Azulflame, i know
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[6:53] <hypermist> But i couldn't tell if it was a penis joke or something else :P
[6:53] <Azulflame> nah, height
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[7:03] <hypermist> Azulflame, lol
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[7:30] <VeggieVampire> Is there a formula to use the internal temperature (CPU) to find the external ambient temperature (ROOM)?
[7:31] <mlelstv> no
[7:31] <Japa> VeggieVampire, power off the CPU, then check the temp after 10 minutes
[7:31] <Japa> :)
[7:31] <mlelstv> with the powred off CPU ? :)
[7:31] <VeggieVampire> rats
[7:31] <Japa> Yes
[7:31] <Japa> With the powered off CPU
[7:31] <Japa> :D
[7:32] <VeggieVampire> I did make something fun for people who use Fahrenheit
[7:32] <VeggieVampire> f=$(vcgencmd measure_temp|cut -c 6-|rev|cut -c 3-|rev);nf=$(echo "scale=2; $f*1.8+32" | bc -l);printf "$nf'F\n"
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[7:32] <VeggieVampire> but you do have to install bc
[7:32] <VeggieVampire> to do the math
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[7:38] <quasar_71> hello guys
[7:38] <coremodule> quasar_71, Hello!
[7:38] <quasar_71> can anyone help me with writing an image onto sd card for rpi using ubuntu?
[7:38] <coremodule> quasar_71, Sure, whaddya got?
[7:40] <quasar_71> i cant dd it into sd card,it doesn't boot up and cant extract the img,i'm using ubuntu 16 lts coremodule:
[7:41] <coremodule> quasar_71, Have you formatted the card as FAT32 before you dd the image onto the card?
[7:41] <quasar_71> yes,
[7:41] <coremodule> quasar_71, Alright, next best option:
[7:41] <coremodule> quasar_71, sudo apt-get install unetbootin
[7:41] <quasar_71> after i format and try to dd it again,the filesystem shows unknown and it won't boot up in rpi coremodule:
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[7:42] <coremodule> quasar_71, After unetbootin installs, run it from the command line "$ sudo unetbootin"
[7:42] <VeggieVampire> So does the raspberry pi have a temperature sensor or is it calculating it byhow many Watts it's using?
[7:42] <mlelstv> it does have a temperature sensor
[7:43] <quasar_71> thanks coremodule: i'll try that and get back
[7:43] <coremodule> quasar_71, Make sure the card is plugged in and registered as a /dev.
[7:43] <coremodule> quasar_71, Then select the image and select the /dev of the card and load it on that way. Should make for a bootable disk.
[7:44] <quasar_71> sure thing coremodule: :)
[7:46] <Crom> dd if=/path/to/image.img of=/dev/sdcard bs=4M
[7:47] <Crom> the /dev/sdc is the card/device not the partition
[7:47] <Crom> so no /dev/sda1
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[7:51] <Crom> sudo dd if=/path/to/image.img of=/dev/sdcard bs=4M
[7:52] <quasar_71> Crom: i should use sdb1 as my path?
[7:52] <Crom> nope /dev/sdb
[7:53] <Crom> sudo umount /mount/point/of/sdb1
[7:53] <Crom> sudo dd if=/path/to/image.img of=/dev/sdb bs=4M
[7:53] <VeggieVampire> @mlelstv So the ARM processer has a thermal zone and not using wattage consumption formula?
[7:54] <Berg> gnome-disk-utility
[7:54] <quasar_71> ok,i'm trying unetbootin if it doesnt work i'l give sdb a try,thanks Crom:
[7:54] <VeggieVampire> @quasar_71 what size is your card?
[7:55] <Berg> https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-disk-utility/
[7:55] <Crom> np... your writing an image of multiple partitions so it goes onto the device not a partition
[7:55] <Berg> thats what i use to write to sdcard
[7:55] <Berg> in mint mate
[7:55] <quasar_71> VeggiVampire: its 8Gb
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[7:55] <Crom> I use dd
[7:55] <Crom> ubuntu 16.04 LTS
[7:56] <Berg> I used dd also but that program is newbiew friendly
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[7:56] <Crom> this boxen is debian... My other boxen is ubuntu 16.04LTS and is what I write all my images on.
[7:56] <Zardoz> Crom: I just installed mint on an intel nuc today...
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[7:57] <VeggieVampire> @quasar_71 I would check if your card is on the list http://elinux.org/RPi_SD_cards
[7:57] <Berg> }<mINt(o>
[7:57] <Zardoz> Berg:
[7:57] <mlelstv> I don't think it's documented how the chip measures temperature.
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[7:57] <Crom> Both of my boxen are AMD this one is a Athlon and the other is a E1-2100 ITX board
[7:57] <Berg> what what what?
[7:57] <Zardoz> Berg: :P
[7:57] <Berg> what what what?
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[7:58] <Berg> anyway that prograM SHOULD BE IN UBUNTU TOO
[7:58] <Berg> oops
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[7:59] <mlelstv> but if power usage was used to estimate some temperature, it would be independent of cooling. So it must be some real temperature sensor.
[7:59] <Zardoz> }<CAPSLOCK(o>
[8:00] <Crom> I have another ITX/MiniATX case I'm thinking about putting a board into. I really would like some slots to put things into... Ala MIDI board, Parallel, USB 3, RS485 and real RS-232
[8:00] <Berg> its caplock not plural caps
[8:01] <Crom> heh mine says Caps Lock
[8:01] <Japa> Same
[8:01] <Crom> all 4 keyboards
[8:01] <Berg> wowo someone stole my s
[8:01] <Zardoz> whats the key on the keyboard labled?
[8:01] <Berg> anyway half my letters are missing titles
[8:01] <Berg> i guess what im pressing
[8:02] <Berg> now im depressed
[8:02] <Zardoz> do I need to get the clownfish out?
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[8:03] <Crom> V
[8:03] <Crom> =====----
[8:03] <Crom> ^
[8:03] <Crom> Look it's Nemo!
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[8:05] <Zardoz> I have not really looked. but anyone know if an old USB drobo would work on a pi
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[8:06] <Zardoz> I might just try to see if I can get it to work
[8:06] <Berg> get the trump fish he's a clown
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[8:15] <quasar_71> thanks guys,its working :)
[8:15] <Zardoz> \o/
[8:15] <coremodule> quasar_71, unetbootin or dd?
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[8:16] <VeggieVampire> @mlelstv I just check the temp by placing a heater on it. It did change. So it does have a temperature sensor. If it was processing temp by formula it wouldn't have changed.
[8:16] <quasar_71> dd,when i used sdb instead of sdb1
[8:17] <coremodule> quasar_71, Cool, glad it's working!
[8:17] <Japa> VeggieVampire, of course it has a sensor.
[8:17] <Japa> It also has a heater.
[8:17] <Japa> Called the CPU
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[8:19] <Huczas> :D
[8:19] <Zardoz> heh, I called this linux mint system fresh.
[8:19] <quasar_71> coremodule: thanks and i'm trying unetbootin again
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[8:31] <dreamon> hello. having to screens. hdmi and a touchdisplay. wrote a C programm. how can i tell pi where I want to see its windows. by clicking to fullscreen it jumps to wrong display.
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[8:47] <hypermist> im awaiting my pcb's and other stuffs from china/hongkong now Crom haha (the wait begins)
[8:55] <Vostok> but where did you get the money
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[9:02] <kb8dns> I'm having problems downloading raspberian and getting it to work, any help??
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[9:04] <ShorTie> using https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/raspbian/ ??
[9:04] <kb8dns> yes...
[9:05] <kb8dns> I downloaded it to my puter and wrote it to a micro but it did not work....
[9:05] <ShorTie> what os is your pc ??
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[9:05] <kb8dns> Linux Mint
[9:05] <ShorTie> what was your dd line ??
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[9:07] <kb8dns> I do not remember and I was hoping to see if I was doing it right
[9:07] <kb8dns> I thot it was something to do with Linux
[9:07] <ShorTie> easy way to see if it was right is to look at it
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[9:08] <kb8dns> I'll try to proof it but is there and easy way?
[9:08] <ShorTie> did you use /dev/sdX or use a partition like /devsdaX1
[9:08] <ShorTie> did you use /dev/sdX or use a partition like /dev/sdaX1
[9:09] <ShorTie> was the sdcard unmounted ??
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[9:09] <kb8dns> Maybe that is what I goofed on!
[9:10] <kb8dns> Unless I have a bad Pi
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[9:10] <ShorTie> na to bad pi
[9:10] <kb8dns> Well I have a ZERO and that should be much the same....
[9:11] <kb8dns> Nothing there either
[9:11] <kb8dns> Maybe a bad micro disc
[9:11] <Japa> kb8dns, what do you see on screen when you boot the pi?
[9:11] <kb8dns> I'm pretty green on this by the way!
[9:12] <ShorTie> what speed is your sdcard's ??
[9:12] <kb8dns> Nothing at all like it was not even powered up
[9:12] <ShorTie> means it can't find the firmware, /boot
[9:12] <kb8dns> I've watched several videos and I do even have that
[9:13] <Japa> So not even the rainbow splash screen?
[9:13] <kb8dns> 10 I am pretty sure
[9:13] * Japa assumed that should show even without an SD
[9:13] <ShorTie> nop
[9:13] <Japa> really?
[9:13] <Japa> huh
[9:13] <kb8dns> nothing, as if I had no power to the Pi
[9:13] <kb8dns> Maybe a bad cable?
[9:13] <ShorTie> you will get nothing without firmware
[9:14] <Japa> Ah
[9:14] <kb8dns> My ZERO showed the same....
[9:14] <Japa> kb8dns, tried Noobs?
[9:14] <ShorTie> dig up or make up the dd line and i'll help fix it
[9:14] <kb8dns> Not yet
[9:14] <ShorTie> scrub noobs, just use image
[9:15] <kb8dns> Will you guys be here most of the time?
[9:15] <Japa> Even if we aren't, others will.
[9:15] <kb8dns> Reason why is I am getting ready to make the trip to the Dayton HAMvention tomorrow
[9:16] <kb8dns> Not enuf time to diagnose
[9:16] <kb8dns> Great!
[9:16] <kb8dns> I will have to gather my stuff and get back to this channel!
[9:16] <ShorTie> oh Dayton is fun
[9:17] <kb8dns> I may buy more Pi stuff there.... any ggestions?
[9:17] <ShorTie> been there, done that
[9:17] <kb8dns> suggestions
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[9:17] <hypermist> Vostok, i sold all my stuff that i had lying around
[9:17] <hypermist> that totaled to 17$
[9:17] <hypermist> xD
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[9:18] <kb8dns> So another question about the Pi....
[9:18] <kb8dns> Since it can transmit on most any frequency, I think pin four.... How does it receive?
[9:21] <kb8dns> Ok, big week here so I will get back next week!
[9:21] <ShorTie> it's not a clean transmit, so it's really not legal to use
[9:21] <kb8dns> Thanks again!
[9:21] <ShorTie> and no recieve
[9:22] <kb8dns> I read that a filter can be used with a PA
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[9:22] <kb8dns> And I read that there was some fellows in the UK that had it receiving...
[9:22] <ShorTie> better to get a transciever and hook it up to it
[9:22] <kb8dns> I do not know how though
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[9:23] <kb8dns> I know it wiil transmit on the FM band But I want to try it on HF
[9:24] <kb8dns> I'll find the article
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[9:25] <kb8dns> I will be looking at the new Icon IC-7300
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[9:25] <kb8dns> Icom
[9:25] <ShorTie> what frequency do you want ??
[9:25] <kb8dns> Maybe buying it
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[9:25] <kb8dns> HF frequencies like 74 or 20 meter....
[9:26] <kb8dns> 75 meters that is!
[9:26] <kb8dns> QRPp
[9:26] <kb8dns> or QRPpp
[9:26] <kb8dns> since it will be about 30 milliwatts
[9:27] <hypermist> I used the pi radio kb8dns
[9:27] <hypermist> it breoadcast over lots of frequencies because its not filtered
[9:27] <kb8dns> Wide band then?
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[9:27] <ShorTie> i already said that
[9:27] <kb8dns> Well a filter is easy to make
[9:28] <kb8dns> there are plenty of sites on filters for HAM radio
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[9:28] <kb8dns> Most are LC type
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[9:29] <ShorTie> your really going to the best place to ask all this
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[9:30] <kb8dns> You mean Dayton ShorTie?
[9:30] <kb8dns> Or here?
[9:30] <ShorTie> yup.
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[9:30] <ShorTie> Dayton
[9:30] <kb8dns> I am going to make a point to find more about HAMs and Raspberry Pi
[9:30] <kb8dns> At Dayton
[9:31] <kb8dns> I may even come home with the Pi3
[9:31] <kb8dns> I shud say will come home!
[9:32] <kb8dns> Packing tomorrow and the car leaves at 6AM Wednesday....
[9:32] <kb8dns> 11 hour drive
[9:32] <ShorTie> blaaa, that is like 2 day drive then
[9:33] <kb8dns> So Linus should pose no problem with loading a MD with raspberian?
[9:33] <ShorTie> was only 6 when i went from pgh
[9:33] <kb8dns> Where you at?
[9:33] <ShorTie> md now
[9:33] <kb8dns> Ok, youre about the same distance as me
[9:34] <ShorTie> yup.
[9:34] <kb8dns> I'm in the UP of Michigan
[9:35] <kb8dns> Well I better get to bed as it is late... tomorrow is a big day of prep
[9:35] <kb8dns> TNX es 73!
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[9:35] <kb8dns> I''l be back with some new stuff
[9:37] <quasar_71> my pi sayes no space left on the device while trying to upgrade it,how can i fix that?
[9:37] <zombieman> i just installed transmission-daemon and it should be auto starting but when my pi boots the web manager doesnt load if i type sudo /home/pi/.config/transmission-daemon restart everything works just fine im not sure were to start
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[9:38] <Habbie> quasar_71, -carefully- try these things: (1) sudo apt-get clean (2) sudo apt-get autoremove
[9:38] <quasar_71> even node red doesn't start,it gives the same error message
[9:38] <quasar_71> Habbie: thanks
[9:38] <Habbie> quasar_71, (3) there are a couple of very big packages you are likely not to need, like libreoffice or wolfram, you can try deleting those
[9:38] <Habbie> quasar_71, (4) sudo apt-get install ncdu; sudo ncdu -x /
[9:38] <quasar_71> and i din't expand the file system,do i have to?
[9:39] <Habbie> quasar_71, you should if you can, yes :)
[9:39] <quasar_71> would do :)
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[10:48] <VeggieVampire> At what temperature does the CPU stop working as good?
[10:49] <Japa> 80c, I've read
[10:50] <Japa> In any case, whenever you see a yellow square in the top-right corner
[10:50] <ShorTie> it get throttled around 80c
[10:50] <ShorTie> shutdown is like 85c
[10:51] <BurtyB> if only the yellow square worked via ssh ;)
[10:51] <Japa> So far I've seen the yellow and rainbow squares/
[10:51] <Japa> but not the blue one.
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[10:51] <Japa> er
[10:51] <Japa> red
[10:51] <ShorTie> you need a pair of ssh_to_desktop glasses
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[11:01] <VeggieVampire> I thought that square was for low power
[11:02] <mfa298> red square is undervolt, yellow square is overheat
[11:02] <Japa> There's different colors that mean different things
[11:04] <VeggieVampire> So what's the rainbow square then?
[11:04] <VeggieVampire> I've seen it on OSMC?
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[11:05] <Japa> rainbow square is low power, from what I'm reading
[11:05] <mlelstv> rainbow means voltage is too low
[11:05] <Japa> and yellow is overheat.
[11:05] <mlelstv> red means temperature is too high
[11:05] <Japa> not sure the difference between red and yellow then.
[11:05] <mfa298> ah sorry I was getting confused on the colours, simple answer, aim to never see any of them
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[11:05] <Japa> yeah
[11:06] <VeggieVampire> sounds like a good plan
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[11:06] <Japa> I've seen the rainbow square rend charging a cellphone on the same power supply as the pi
[11:06] <mfa298> I'd guess the yellow is something like 80 (where it starts throttling, and red might be 85 when it drops back to 600MHz) - that's guessing though.
[11:07] <Japa> Probably.
[11:07] <Japa> I think the yellow slowly gets more orange as the temp increases.
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[11:39] <binaryplease> Hi, what software can I use to make a full screen panel with the raspi? I have a buttons connected to the gpio pins and would like to display images and text on button presses. (e.g press one button = display weather forecast, press another show a joke..)
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[11:44] <Berg> not sure what you mean by what can you use?
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[11:44] <Berg> you can write code that will display anythying you like
[11:45] <GRiZL0C> yellow square at the right top corner? what yellow square are you talking about Japa?
[11:45] <GRiZL0C> you still here?
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[11:48] <binaryplease> Berg: I mean, I could display some webpage with chromium in fullscreen, but how do I make it react to button presses?
[11:48] <binaryplease> I thought there might be some tool already made that can display a html page for every button
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[11:54] <Cryterion> binaryplease a simple search "RaspberryPi GPIO and Python" gives alot of resources you could look at
[11:57] <Huczas> you can map keyboard keys to some gpio connected buttons
[11:57] <Huczas> in python
[12:01] <mfa298> GRiZL0C: if the Pi starts to get hot a yellow/red square appears in the top right of the screen, similar to the undervolt rainbow square.
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[12:18] <Japa> GRiZL0C, what mfa298 said.
[12:18] <Japa> yellow is when the CPU starts thermal throttling
[12:19] <Rukus> ive never saw that square
[12:19] <Rukus> thats good news i guess
[12:20] <Japa> Closed case + no heatsink + fullscreen youtube = yellow square
[12:20] <Japa> in my case
[12:20] <Rukus> oh i see
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[12:23] <Huczas> Japa: witch rpi?
[12:23] <Japa> RPi 3
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[12:25] <Huczas> My last 30days
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[12:25] <Huczas> http://i.imgur.com/GtHOwe6.png
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[12:26] <Huczas> avg. temp is 55dgr, that peaks is when I pull rpi-update or apt-get
[12:27] <Huczas> no heatsink, just rpi3 in official rpi3 case
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[12:33] <Japa> Do you live in a place with 35 degree average temperature?
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[12:38] <GrandPa-G> Huczas: how did you make that graph?
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[13:09] <chid> how would I recompile the watchdog kernel module?
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[13:20] <Huczas> in domoticz
[13:20] <Huczas> GrandPa-G: ^
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[13:24] <GrandPa-G> Huczas: found it. thanks.
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[13:24] <ozzzy> ohhh... there's an APL interpreter for the Pi
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[13:34] <gordonDrogon> been one for some years now..
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[13:50] <Chunkyz> my zero's been shipped!
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[13:55] <oq> Chunkyz: nice, where from?
[13:56] <Chunkyz> thepihut
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[13:57] <oq> I'm tempted to buy this, https://thepihut.com/collections/raspberry-pi-camera/products/adafruit-spy-camera-for-the-raspberry-pi, for my zero
[13:57] <oq> a little camera for a little pi
[13:58] <shiftplusone> oq: you'll need to find a flex cable to match
[13:59] <Bilby> g'morning
[13:59] <waveform> yeah - got one of those - works nicely but it is a "standard" CSI cable on the end. It'd presumably work if you had a compute-module IO board adapter though
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[14:00] <oq> shiftplusone: yeah I would need to find a csi to csi connector if such a thing exists
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[14:00] <oq> or maybe adafruit will develop one with the zero cable
[14:01] <waveform> they do - they're part of the compute module dev kit which, although it's only 30-something quid from RS at the moment is still quite a lot if all you want is the adapter :)
[14:02] <waveform> (I was interested the hear the camera cable for the new zero is theoretically compatible with the CM dev kit as I'm currently borrowing biglesp's camera adapter for stereoscopic testing in picamera - I should buy a couple so I can return his!)
[14:03] <Bilby> yes, same connector
[14:03] <Bilby> micro DSI or whatever
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[14:06] <shiftplusone> There's no name for it, it's just a flat flex connector of a certain pitch with a certain number of connections on the specific side.
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[14:21] <Chunkyz> what power supply is needed for the zero?
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[14:23] <shiftplusone> One the provides a steady 5v for your particular power load.
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[14:23] <shiftplusone> I would expect a good quality 1A supply to be good enough for most people.
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[14:25] <Chunkyz> shiftplusone, I have a 5v 0.7 samsung charger. will that do?
[14:26] <shiftplusone> The best thing to do is to try it and see. Remember that the quality of the cables you use matters too.
[14:28] <Bilby> ^
[14:28] <Bilby> s/quality/conductor size and length
[14:30] <shiftplusone> *Resistivity, cross sectional area and length of the conductor =P
[14:31] <Chunkyz> shiftplusone, http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5V-1A-Mains-USB-Plug-Adapter-or-Micro-USB-Data-Charge-Sync-1M-2M-Cable-UK-/281996923718?var=&hash=item41a8539346:m:mKmwvHOjgAX0F7isolnS8CA
[14:33] <Chunkyz> any good?
[14:33] <shiftplusone> doubt it
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[14:34] <Bilby> Chunkyz, I've had very good luck with AmazonBasics USB cables
[14:34] <Bilby> go for a 3ft cable
[14:35] <jrvc> AmazonBasics stuff is great.
[14:35] <Chunkyz> amazon's expensive
[14:35] <jrvc> Their keyboard is pretty meh, but it's like $10, so.
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[14:36] <Bilby> Chunkyz: where do you usually get parts from, just eBay?
[14:36] <jrvc> Chunkyz: Really? Amazon's always been cheaper than anybody else short of scouring ebay, for me.
[14:36] <Lonefish> I'm preparing sd-cards for pi's with dd, about 15 done in the last week or so, never had any problems, but the last 2 sd's he seems to go unusually fast and the results just don't work. Same command as the last 15 times tho
[14:36] <shiftplusone> There are no good cheap power supplies.
[14:37] <Lonefish> Unusually fast = 315MB/s = 12s for 4Gb,
[14:37] <Bilby> http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00NH13LSM 3 pounds 99
[14:37] <Lonefish> where I got 14.xx MB/s before (when they did work)
[14:37] <Lonefish> Does someone recognise the problem by any chance?
[14:38] <Bilby> shiftplusone: Cheapest I've seen for a compact one is scrounging used phone chargers, but that's kind of sporadic and depends on the stores in your area
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[14:38] <Bilby> In the realm of $go_big_or_go_home there's old ATX power supplies :D
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[14:38] <pksato> Lonefish: check if /dev/sdX is a block device. ls -l /dev/sdX
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[14:39] <shiftplusone> Heh, don't ATX supplies need a certain minimum load which the pi might not draw?
[14:39] <Bilby> if you're only using the 5V rail you should be fine
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[14:39] <pksato> most ATX PS have a load resistor.
[14:40] <Lonefish> pksato: sdX? mmcblk0 you mean?
[14:40] <Bilby> ATX switching power supplies use a load on the 5V rail to regulate the 12V rail. I usually use a 5w 1ohm resistor
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[14:40] <Bilby> but a RasPi would probably work fine too :D
[14:40] <pksato> Lonefish: mmcblk0 is on rpi.
[14:41] <Lonefish> pksato: ubuntu reads my mmc as mmcblk0
[14:41] <Lonefish> *my sd
[14:41] <pksato> ah. ok.
[14:41] <Bilby> MMC? are you from the past? :P
[14:42] <pksato> builtin sd card reader.
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[14:44] <pksato> on some cases, usb sd reader is not recognized by system, and user not check, dd write to memory/disk at ultra fast speed.
[14:44] <lonefish_> reconnected on the ubuntu to be able to copy ls -l output
[14:44] <lonefish_> weird thing is 5 -10 minutes ago it worked
[14:44] <lonefish_> it has been working for the last 15 pi's..
[14:45] <lonefish_> ls -l /dev/mmcblk0
[14:45] <lonefish_> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4033871872 Mai 17 14:35 /dev/mmcblk0
[14:45] <pksato> it is a file.
[14:46] <pksato> remove and check what happens to sd card reader.
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[14:48] <lonefish_> removed it, tried dd again, file appeared again, removed it again
[14:48] <lonefish_> could it have something to do with write protection?
[14:48] <lonefish_> the stupid little switch on the side?
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[14:49] <lonefish_> (for some reason ubuntu sometimes recognizes microSD's as writeprotected even when the switch is how it should be
[14:49] <Habbie> write protection does not prevent an entry in /dev from appearing
[14:50] <Habbie> but you are skipping steps
[14:50] <Habbie> remove the file
[14:50] <Habbie> then somehow make the SD appear
[14:50] <Habbie> just blindly dd'ing again is useless
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[14:52] <pksato> Lonefish: remove file and reboot.
[14:52] <pksato> and check if exists and if if block before dd.
[14:52] <Lonefish> I have a feeling it's working again
[14:53] <Lonefish> pulled sd card out again, protection switch up and down a few times and now it's been dd'ing for at least 1 minute
[14:53] <Lonefish> (in comparison to the 12 seconds it used to take)
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[14:56] <pksato> Lonefish: on future, use test -b /dev/sda && dd -i file.img of=/dev/sda to avoid this problem.
[14:57] <pksato> replace sda and file.img for correct one.
[14:57] <Lonefish> interesting, thanks
[14:58] <Lonefish> that was indeed the problem apparently. Allthough I did actually fiddle with the switch when I found out it wasn't writing correctly.
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[15:01] <Lonefish> http://www.commitstrip.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Strip-Blocage-SD-card-650-finalenglish.jpg
[15:01] <Lonefish> This is really the only use I can think of for the switch.
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[15:06] <mlelstv> the switch is just a hint anyway....
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[15:22] <Roonix> Zero arrived this morning :D Hats off to Pimoroni, they certainly have their "proverbial" together!
[15:22] <Zardoz> nice
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[15:23] <Lartza> Lies
[15:23] <Lartza> There is no Zero
[15:23] <shiftplusone> There isn't?
[15:24] <shiftplusone> I got one with the magpi magazine and also ordered one from pimoroni a while back
[15:26] <shauno> thepihut have actually had them in stock for >24 hours now, which is unheard of. maybe times really are c'changin
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[15:27] <shiftplusone> There are still people who have 10 of them already complaining that they can't order 100 at a time. *sigh*
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[15:28] <Strykar> the zero is a lie
[15:28] <shiftplusone> >_<
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[15:31] <Roonix> shiftplusone, there are also these people ofc http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RASPBERRY-PI-ZERO-V1-3-BRAND-NEW-SEALED-FREE-P-P-SOLD-OUT-HARD-TO-FIND-/201586231158?hash=item2eef79c776:g:oHcAAOSwfC9XOuiB
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[15:32] <Zardoz> LMAO last one get it now.
[15:32] <Chunkyz> Bilby, yeah I only use ebay. amazon is expensive!
[15:32] <Roonix> I guess they would call themselves "entrepreneurs" <.<
[15:32] <Bilby> Chunkyz: I mean, it's less than 5 pounds
[15:32] <Bilby> dunno about shipping for you though
[15:33] <Zardoz> Roonix: opportunist.
[15:33] <Chunkyz> Bilby, I just ordered everything I neeeded for less than £8 with a wodden case off ebay...
[15:34] <Chunkyz> can't do that on amazon :p
[15:34] <Bilby> As we were discussing, not all microusb are made alike
[15:34] <Bilby> but hopefully the one you got works :)
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[15:37] <Chunkyz> I mainly needed the microusb to normal usb, others I had already :p
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[15:41] <hypermist> https://learn.adafruit.com/pigrrl-zero?view=all with this project requring a lithium battery + a 5v booster. couldn't i just do the same but with a batterypack ?
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[15:42] <Bilby> hypermist: yes. The battery + controller is easier to fit within space constraints
[15:42] <hypermist> true Bilby
[15:42] <shauno> that's pretty much exactly what a battery pack is doing too. they're just breaking it down into smaller parts so that a) they can sell you them, and b) you can make them fit in the enclosure
[15:42] <hypermist> but with the pricing from adafruit is really hard
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[15:43] <hypermist> its 15$ to ship a 95cent item from them to me
[15:43] <hypermist> :|
[15:43] <Zardoz> hypermist: : not sure but it might make the battery to big
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[15:44] <hypermist> obviously if i had to i could mount it on the outside Zardoz
[15:44] <Bilby> hypermist: check amazon and ebay, often there are resellers
[15:44] <Bilby> search the product number
[15:45] <Zardoz> hypermist: you could also make a bigger box, but then it would not be as small.
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[15:46] <hypermist> i can handle it being bigger Zardoz just dunno how big to make it
[15:46] <Zardoz> at that pint why get a pi0 if you just going to use a big box anyways,
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[15:46] <hypermist> I already have pi0's :D
[15:47] <hypermist> or if i dont wanna mount it on the inside i can always just have it so i can plug a cord into the batter then into the pi ?
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[15:48] <Zardoz> right but now your going to use a big box for the battery and defeat the purpose of the small form factor :P
[15:48] <Zardoz> no biggie
[15:48] <hypermist> but save money also Zardoz :D
[15:48] <hypermist> because paying 30$ for shipping + 30$ for products
[15:49] <hypermist> aka 60usd
[15:49] <hypermist> 87$
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[15:49] <Zardoz> I assuming you are tying to get next day shipping ?
[15:50] <Zardoz> that seems high
[15:50] <hypermist> thats the cheapeast adafruit offers to me :\
[15:50] <Zardoz> jez
[15:50] <hypermist> yup
[15:51] <hypermist> why do you think i was trying to go battery pack method haha
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[15:52] <hypermist> where buying the 1000C powerboost from pimoroni including shipping its £20.08 aka 42$ :\
[15:52] <Zardoz> hypermist> https://learn.adafruit.com/pigrrl-zero?view=all with this project requring a lithium battery + a 5v booster. couldn't i just do the same but with a batterypack ?
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[15:53] <hypermist> why did you copy paste what i said Zardoz ?
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[15:53] <Zardoz> hypermist> why do you think i was trying to go battery pack method haha
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[15:54] <hypermist> ?
[15:55] <Zardoz> I am quoting things you have typed. to the questions you asked.
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[15:59] <Chunkyz> hypermist, where you from?
[15:59] <hypermist> newzealand Chunkyz
[15:59] <Chunkyz> ahhh
[16:00] <hypermist> one of the places taht suck for shipping products in
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[16:02] <Zardoz> oh jez no wonder
[16:02] <Chunkyz> worse than the uk lol
[16:02] <hypermist> you dont saay Zardoz ;p
[16:03] <Zardoz> hi Chunkyz
[16:03] <Zardoz> :P
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[16:04] <Zardoz> think thats like a 16hr flight from the states
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[16:04] <Chunkyz> yo Zardoz sup
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[16:06] <hypermist> so hence why i was going to try a cheaper method but there is issues that follow with it too Zardoz
[16:07] <Zardoz> yup
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[16:08] <hypermist> like obviously an external battery pack works also.
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[16:11] <hypermist> It maybe bulkier but its still transportable in away
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[16:21] <Chunkyz> 4 Port Power Micro USB OTG Hub Adapter Cable, Micro USB Host Cable Male to USB Female OTG Adapter, 1M Quality Noodle Flat Micro USB Cable, Birch Wood Raspberry Pi Zero Case, HDMI Female to Mini HDMI Type C Male Adapter, OTG Adapter Micro USB To USB 2.0 Converter - do I need anything else for my zero?
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[16:22] <Tenkawa> hi all
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[16:22] <lopta> Hello Tenkawa
[16:22] <Chillum> yo
[16:23] <Chunkyz> okay maybe not :p
[16:23] <lopta> Chunkyz: Two rolls of duct tape and an owl.
[16:23] <Chillum> you got wifi?
[16:23] <Chunkyz> sigh.
[16:24] <Chunkyz> Chillum, yeah already got wifi dongles.
[16:24] <Chillum> that should get you going
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[16:24] <Chillum> microsd card
[16:24] <Chunkyz> yeah, samsung evo+ 32gb
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[16:33] <Chunkyz> off to set up, see ya.
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[16:42] <hypermist> so Zardoz unless there is another way i can do it. with the same parts i might have to modify the design the wiring or something
[16:43] <hypermist> I dont know :(
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[16:45] <hypermist> its a hard choice
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[16:46] <zombieman> when i try to remove all . from file in my current directory with spaces with rename '.' ' ' i get syntax error at (user-supplied code), near "."
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[16:48] <lopta> zombieman: Is '.' at the beginning of the file name, in the middle or at the end?
[16:48] <zombieman> it is in the middle
[16:49] <lopta> zombieman: Are you doing this in some sort of shell script?
[16:49] <zombieman> yes
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[16:52] <lopta> zombieman: Perhaps it's trying to prevent you from accidentally creating a file named ' '?
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[16:53] <lopta> Oh wow, that's legal.
[16:53] <lopta> I now have a zero-byte file named ' '
[16:53] <lopta> :-D
[16:53] <zombieman> my file name is test.file.1 withch im trying to turn into test file 1
[16:53] <hypermist> lol lopta
[16:53] <lopta> zombieman: Are you using some feature of the shell itself?
[16:54] <mfa298> zombieman: could your script be matching the special entries . and ..
[16:54] <lopta> hypermist: I'm impressed: I learned something today.
[16:54] <BurtyB> lol
[16:54] <mfa298> you won't be able to rename those ones
[16:54] <hypermist> lol
[16:54] <zombieman> im not sure
[16:54] <lopta> mfa298: That's a good point, too.
[16:54] <BurtyB> mfa298, why not? "mv ' ' somethingelse" should do it
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[16:55] <hypermist> yea mv "test.file.1" "test file 1" should work right ?
[16:55] <lopta> Perhaps zombieman has a shell with a "rename" builtin.
[16:55] <lopta> Is that a Bash thing?
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[16:57] <mfa298> BurtyB: . is the current directory, and .. is the parent directory, they're special entries that you shouldn't be able to rename
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[16:57] <BurtyB> mfa298, I thought your comment was in reply to <lopta> I now have a zero-byte file named ' '
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[17:11] <hypermist> pi0 cannot power off 3.7v ? or can it
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[17:11] <gordonDrogon> hypermist, no - it needs 5v.
[17:11] <hypermist> alright
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[17:16] <hypermist> https://www.adafruit.com/products/2011 can someone help me find this but cheaper ?
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[17:16] <lopta> hypermist: Whatever it is, I'd probably rather buy it from Adafruit.
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[17:17] <hypermist> lopta, you wanna pay my 30$ shipping ?
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[17:17] <lopta> hypermist: Where do you live?
[17:17] <hypermist> newzealand
[17:17] <lopta> hypermist: Ah, you just need a local vendor then.
[17:17] <hypermist> no local vendors really
[17:17] <lopta> Are Farnell in NZ?
[17:17] <hypermist> nope
[17:18] <lopta> Poop. Hang on, let me fire up the Google.
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[17:19] <hypermist> 60$ to buy it from nicegear with the booster
[17:19] <lopta> http://nz.rs-online.com/web/ ?
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[17:20] <sewerrat> hello i have just bought a sata board for the pi, i have one 3.5 inch hdd running on a pc power supply, but the rpi wont recognize the hdd, anyone pro that could take a look at this dmsg? please pm me http://dpaste.com/2DB3205
[17:21] <lopta> I've never seen a SATA board for the Raspberry Pi. Does it use a USB->SATA bridge chip?
[17:21] <hypermist> $31.46 for their cheapeast 5000mAh battery he lopta
[17:21] <hypermist> heh *
[17:21] <hypermist> http://nz.rs-online.com/web/p/power-banks/7757508/?origin=null|fp&cm_sp=featureproducts-_-FeaturedProductsContent-_-7757508
[17:22] <sewerrat> lopta, sata to rpi, sata board to usb
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[17:22] <lopta> sewerrat: That doesn't make any sense to me.
[17:22] <sewerrat> sorry, that was kinda messy
[17:23] <sewerrat> let me find you a picture.
[17:23] <sewerrat> https://www.kjell.com/se/sortiment/dator-natverk/enkortsdator/raspberry-pi/sata-kort-for-raspberry-pi-p87175
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[17:24] <hypermist> that'd obviously skip needing the booster circuit though lopta
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[17:25] <hypermist> but it would work for https://learn.adafruit.com/pigrrl-zero?view=all right lopta ?
[17:26] <lopta> sewerrat: So USB to SATA?
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[17:26] <lopta> hypermist: I wouldn't know. I'm not familiar with the Pi Zero.
[17:26] <lopta> hypermist: I know it's affordable (until you buy all the adaptor cables ;-)
[17:27] <lopta> ...and that it lacks an Ethernet port.
[17:27] <hypermist> well the powerbank outputs 5v pi needs 5v and the booster circuit from ada just boost, voltage
[17:27] <hypermist> I dont need ethernet :p
[17:27] <lopta> hypermist: That's fair. There are applications that don't need it, especially when you have a serial port.
[17:28] <lopta> hypermist: I'm told it's also possible to talk to a Pi Zero down a USB cable, though I've never tried that.
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[17:28] <hypermist> heh
[17:28] <lopta> (and I'm very fuzzy about what would be involved there)
[17:28] <lopta> That might just be a Linux thing.
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[17:29] <gordonDrogon> you can run it as a usb peripheral - gadget mode.
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[17:29] <lopta> gordonDrogon: Is that a Linux thing?
[17:29] <gordonDrogon> I don't know - I don't use MS/Mac at all.
[17:29] <hypermist> xD
[17:29] <m1dnight_> Im looking to build an IR camera set with my rpi. I have found this camera: https://www.adafruit.com/products/3100
[17:29] <BurtyB> lopta, it works in windows too if you're not using a composite device (so serial+ethernet etc)
[17:29] <lopta> gordonDrogon: I meant at the Raspberry Pi end.
[17:29] <m1dnight_> Is there an official IR light that goes with it?
[17:30] <gordonDrogon> lopta, yes - that's linux - when the host hardwre supports is.
[17:30] <lopta> Perhaps I should learn Linux ;-)
[17:30] <hypermist> obviously the 5000mAh aka 2.1A max draw, probably wouldnt fit in that case without adjustments
[17:31] <lopta> Can I talk to it down the same cable I'm powering it with?
[17:31] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[17:31] <gordonDrogon> you can power the zero via either USB connector.
[17:31] <lopta> Nice.
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[17:31] <H__> m1dnight_: i have a few of those. That is just a regular camera without the IR blocking filter
[17:32] <lopta> I suppose if I had a few Raspberry Pi Zero boards plugged into a host, I'd have to bridge (or route) data on that host, which would probably be slower than an Ethernet switch.
[17:32] <m1dnight_> But if I understand correctly, adding an IR light source would allow me to film in the dark, right?
[17:32] <lopta> ...Still, at least I wouldn't have to buy Ethernet adaptors for them.
[17:32] <H__> it's not a IR-only camera, if you were looking for that
[17:32] <H__> m1dnight_: yes
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[17:34] <WereCatf> I just learned that there's a new camera-module for RPi and I'm.. curious. I think I read somewhere that the previous module had a fixed focus and looking at the pictures of the new one it looks more-or-less the same. I can see some black ring around the lens, can it be rotated with something like pliers or something to adjust focus?
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[17:35] <lopta> I would like a camera for my Raspberry Pi. I'll add that to my Christmas wish list.
[17:35] <lopta> Are there official cameras?
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[17:36] <WereCatf> lopta: https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/new-8-megapixel-camera-board-sale-25/
[17:36] <WereCatf> That's where I learned of the new camera-module
[17:37] <lopta> Thanks WereCatf
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[17:37] <hypermist> hmmm
[17:37] <WereCatf> I'm just hoping to find someone who knows more about those things, I've never used the previous one, let alone the new one
[17:37] <hypermist> I guess it might be time to see what tech possesions i have to sell
[17:37] <m1dnight_> H__: No, i want to film in the dark + in the light. Bad color doens't really matter all that much. Im just not sure which light source I would need now.
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[17:41] <lopta> I have to go. I've been asked to repair a thing.
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[17:42] <hypermist> omg i just decided to look in my room for tech to sell
[17:42] <hypermist> I have literally nothing thats worth selling xD
[17:42] <H__> m1dnight_: then that NoIR camera will be fine for you :)
[17:43] <gordonDrogon> the noIR camera needs an IR light source.
[17:43] <H__> m1dnight_: here's an early test of it from me http://lambermont.dyndns.org/astro/20151126-648x486.mp4
[17:43] <H__> (you see clouds and stars, and some red reflections and amp glow)
[17:44] <m1dnight_> Hrm, looks kind of okay!
[17:44] <m1dnight_> I thought stuff like this (http://www.amazon.com/illumipi-Infrared-illuminator-Raspberry-Compatible/dp/B00HSSSP2W) would be handy. But I just would like to buy all the things in 1 place, that I trust.
[17:44] <H__> I'm still searching for a large ~180 degrees lens for it
[17:45] <gordonDrogon> I stuck mine in my laser cutter for a bit of fun: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwwXQy2l_Uk
[17:45] <H__> wow, that will be a spot beam
[17:45] <m1dnight_> Huh, that's in pitch black dark?
[17:45] <m1dnight_> THe camera would be mounted in my henhouse :>
[17:45] <gordonDrogon> you see the beam when smoke gets in the way of it.
[17:46] <H__> nice. I should film our laser sintering 3d printers like that
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[17:48] <m1dnight_> https://www.kiwi-electronics.nl/lisiparoi-infrarood-led-voor-rpi-noir-camera?search=infrarood This one seems good enough!
[17:48] <pbn4> Hello, I have a problem finding manual for pi3 board, I specifically look for the pin headers description
[17:49] <m1dnight_> Let's get out that credit card ! Ive had my raspberry pi B since it came out and _now_ im going to build something :>
[17:49] <methuzla> pbn4, http://pinout.xyz/
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[17:52] <methuzla> m1dnight_, it doesn't really 'see in the dark', you just illuminate the scene with lights that are outside the visible (to humans) range
[17:52] <pbn4> @methuzla thank you
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[17:53] <gordonDrogon> reflected IR is the technology.
[17:54] <methuzla> pbn4, you can also do 'gpio readall' on the command line to get a quick reference, as well as current state
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[17:55] <methuzla> for what it's worth, my regular pi camera can see the IR led on remotes, so even it sees in the IR
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[18:00] <Armand> root
[18:00] <Armand> FFS
[18:00] <Armand> Browser, you doink. -_-
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[18:23] <ThePendulum> I will continue
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[18:38] <Chunkyz> $5.00
[18:38] <Chunkyz> 94 IN STOCK
[18:38] <Chunkyz> - adafruit!
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[18:43] <ThePendulum> Chunkyz: zeros?
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[18:45] <oq> doesn't adafruit charge outrageous shipping though
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[18:54] <ozzzy_> shipping is shipping. if you're not using china post it costs money
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[19:12] <stiv> adafruit uses UPS for their shipping. basic cost is about $10 or so. US mail is cheaper, but apparently they have had problems with it so don't offer it in most areas
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[19:14] <Chunkyz> ThePendulum, yeah
[19:15] <DrJ> boy amazon sure does like to take their time shipping stuff if choose free shipping
[19:15] <DrJ> bought myself a pi3... wont ship for a week, or so it says
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[19:16] <stiv> won't ship for a week or delivery in a week?
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[19:17] <Chunkyz> ThePendulum, out of stock now :O
[19:17] <ThePendulum> DrJ: glad I live in a small country
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[19:17] <ThePendulum> next day delivery until midnight
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[19:17] <DrJ> stiv: wont ship out for a week
[19:17] <ThePendulum> and indeed same day delivery from some stores
[19:18] <DrJ> delivery is scheduled for the end of next week
[19:19] <stiv> DrJ, that sounds either like out of stock or order is fulfilled by 3rd party
[19:19] <DrJ> nah, it was a prime eligable item
[19:19] <Berg> I love Australia 35 day delivery is normal
[19:19] <stiv> that doesn't indicate who is filling the order
[19:19] <DrJ> yea it does
[19:19] <Berg> hi pi channel its ME
[19:19] <DrJ> any Prime item is fulfilled by amazon
[19:20] <DrJ> there is no prime on 3rd party fulfillments
[19:20] <stiv> DrJ, sorry. that is simply untrue
[19:20] <DrJ> but anywauy
[19:20] <DrJ> the listing says fulfilled by amazon on it
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[19:22] <DrJ> I just looked it up
[19:22] <DrJ> all prime items must be located in an amazon warehouse
[19:22] <DrJ> with absolutely no exceptions
[19:22] <DrJ> it can still be sold by a 3rd party
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[19:23] <DrJ> but they ship it to amazon before it sells
[19:23] <DrJ> and then amazon fulfills
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[20:01] <symbolicDeathwsh> Hey guys im using Ubuntu Mate with a Raspberry pi 2 and Im having resolution problems. My problems are that at first it doesnt allow me to change the resolution within the display settings section. When i try to run tvservice i get an error and when i manually configuture the resolution myself in boot/config.txt the resolution changes however its the text etc is really pixualated like im using a non
[20:01] <symbolicDeathwsh> native resolution form my monitor (which im not)
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[20:47] <xreal> What? Zero is back in town ?
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[20:47] <oq> xreal: it was for a couple of hours yesterday
[20:47] <xreal> Damn, sold out again.
[20:48] <oq> of course as usual they don't care to make enough of the damn things
[20:48] <Roonix> it is now, in pimoroni and pihunt
[20:48] <xreal> Why don't they produce upon orders???
[20:48] <oq> Roonix: only in the bundles
[20:48] <xreal> If 100.000 people pre-order AND pre-pay then DAMN produce 100.000 pieces :(
[20:48] <oq> xreal: their blogpost claimed they were making a couple thousand a day until demand goes away
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[20:49] <xreal> oq: demand goes away because only thousand people can buy it
[20:49] <xreal> oq: I'm waiting for too long to get another zero.
[20:50] <xreal> I think, it's just about promotion.
[20:50] <xreal> EVERY magazine wrote about a $5 Rapsberry... pfff.
[20:50] <xreal> You can't get better advertising for free.
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[20:52] <shauno> meh. it was in stock for over 24 hours. they still have bundles left. I Think they actually made a decent effort this time
[20:53] <xreal> I still can't understand, why they don't accept pre-orders.
[20:53] <Berg> element 14 here in australia have not stocked zero's
[20:53] <Berg> i feel unloved
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[20:54] <BurtyB> looking at element14 is prob where you're going wrong ;)
[20:55] <xreal> Oh, it's $40 on ebay.
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[20:59] <Berg> your right BurtyB
[21:00] <oq> it doesn't help that apparently thepihut is completely ignoring the whole 'one per customer thing'
[21:01] <oq> at least according to https://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/4jr725/show_of_hands_how_many_of_you_bought_more_than/
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[21:02] <Roonix> Well they did it with separate orders, like I did, hard to stop that really
[21:02] <oq> It's extremely easy to stop
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[21:03] <Berg> send out hit men?
[21:03] <oq> They have a database of orders don't they?
[21:03] <Roonix> how? only allow one per address?
[21:03] <oq> Roonix: per payment method is the usual way those things are monitored
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[21:05] <BurtyB> not sure how that would work either - paypal/multiple cc/pre-pay visa/etc?
[21:06] <Roonix> ahh ok, I did use two different payment methods so i figured these guys must have
[21:07] <BurtyB> I guess changing the model hasn't helped either with people having the old model wanting the new one too
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[21:08] <Roonix> just for the record btw they werent all for me :D Im not selling them on eBay!
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[21:20] <Roonix> But I set my old zero up on the downstairs tv as a kodi/retropie box and mum and her partner saw it and instantly wanted one for themselves and the grandkid :D So I ordered 4 yesterday
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[21:23] <Roonix> my mums partner already had one of those Kodi boxes which cost like £50 or something, and he was gunna get more for the bedrooms etc. then I told him this was only £4 AND it has a shit load of retro nes games etc. (retropie) and he nearly spat his tea out
[21:24] <Roonix> then I had to explain there was none in stock ^_^ (this was a couple weeks ago)
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[21:33] <NicoHood> I want to create an smb share of my usb HDD with my pi. The share does not work, because the smb client has no rights to access /media/pi (owned by root). So I guess a mapping of /media/pi/myusbdrive would be the best idea. how should I do this? via ln or via a special mount mapping i've seen before?
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[21:35] <oq> NicoHood: why not just give pi the rights?
[21:35] <NicoHood> I do not know if this is a good idea, if it does not conflict with other programs etc
[21:36] <NicoHood> also I would let anyone access my hdd
[21:36] <NicoHood> which also includes other users on the pi itself
[21:37] <NicoHood> but i only want that user pi is able to use the hdd (as it is right now), but i want a special folder on the hdd free for anyone in the share (secured with a password).
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[21:59] <Chunkyz> zero selling out FAST O_o
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[23:13] <Berg> trying to get a zero i gave up cause they price gouging on ebay was cheaper to buy a pi3 b
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[23:14] <Roonix> Where you live Berg?
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[23:15] * ShorTie Thinkz, Shipping is the killer
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[23:15] <Roonix> Berg sounds Scandinavian :D
[23:16] <Roonix> £2.50 here for next day delivery
[23:17] <Berg> australia
[23:18] <Berg> 2.50 pounds is about 5 bucks aussie
[23:18] <Berg> shipping i havew no clue
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[23:19] <Berg> anyway i like the idea of being the proud owner of pi3
[23:19] <Berg> soon to arrive i think
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[23:22] <Roonix> Are there places in Ozz that stock Pi's or do you have to buy all Pis from ebay?
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[23:23] <Berg> we have element 14 online they dont stock zeros
[23:23] <Berg> no pi shops
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[23:24] <Berg> only place for zero's is ebay
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[23:24] <Berg> else your looking at shipping
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[23:36] <TheSin> anyone know if it's normal, if I load the vc4 drivers via config.txt via "dtoverlay=vc4-kms-v3d,cma-256", and try to use OMXPlayer, it doesnt' display anything at all, if I use the -b (blank the screen first) it crashes
[23:37] <TheSin> is this known, does OMXPlayer not work with the vc4 drivers loaded?
[23:37] <exonormal> Berg: tried amazon.com?
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[23:38] <Berg> same thing
[23:38] <Berg> shipping
[23:38] <exonormal> Berg: ask niston, he used to be Aussie
[23:39] <Berg> :)
[23:40] <Berg> Price: $17.99 & FREE Shipping on orders over $49. Details
[23:40] <Berg> ha
[23:40] <Berg> amazon
[23:41] <exonormal> buy the kit.. that's what I did and am glad I did, otherwise I wouldn't be able to use it.
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[23:42] <Berg> cant find how much shipping is one sec
[23:44] <Berg> still works out better to buy a pi3 and get hero status
[23:44] <exonormal> ok have fun..
[23:44] <Berg> will do
[23:45] <exonormal> Sysinfo for 'raspberrypi': Running against KDE 4.14.2 on Raspbian GNU/Linux 8 (jessie) powered by Linux 4.1.19+, CPU: ARMv6-compatible processor rev 7 (v6l) at 1000 MHz, RAM: 270/434 MB, Storage: 4/6 GB, 89 procs, 0.75h up
[23:45] <Berg> i already order the pi3
[23:45] <exonormal> I have one
[23:45] <exonormal> and the pi B-2
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[23:45] <Berg> i have 3 * pi2
[23:45] <exonormal> dog
[23:45] <Berg> heh
[23:46] <exonormal> I have 8 pi's now... no two the same
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[23:47] <Berg> i made my own icon
[23:47] <Berg> ner ner
[23:47] <Berg> you want it
[23:47] <Berg> its free to good home
[23:47] <Roonix> The Pi 1 Model B is my fave design of them all
[23:47] <Berg> http://gallery.anotherpower.com/main.php/v/bergs+place/masklogo.png.html
[23:48] <exonormal> A ver 1, B ver 1, B ver 2, B-2, B-3, and zero
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[23:48] <Roonix> https://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/sony-rasp-pi.jpg this one with the square sharp corners <3
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[23:50] <exonormal> I have 2 or 3 of those...
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[23:50] <exonormal> also I have BBB ver b
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[23:51] <exonormal> haven't been motivated enuf to get the BBB ver c....
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