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IRC Log for 2016-05-18

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[0:05] <mines5> I'm just going to open with, my rpi 3 won't recognize the SD formatted with noobs that I switched out from an rpi 2
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[0:08] <Berg> doies the pi3 need a fresh OS then?
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[0:20] <mines5> Probably, I dunno
[0:21] <mines5> I have to try and reload NOOBS from my old phone because I don't have a microsd adapter
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[0:21] * mines5 crosses fingers and hopes for the best
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[0:21] <bekks> hi
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[0:22] <bekks> Having a rpi3b+, is there something like a "shield?" for plugin on that large connector, and giving me something like a breadboard?
[0:23] <mlelstv> sure
[0:24] <bekks> mlelstv: Do you have a link or something where to get one? :)
[0:24] <mines5> anything that works on the GPIO pins back to the first rpi will work as far as I know
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[0:24] <mines5> amazon and search rpi breadboard
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[0:24] <mines5> might get lucky
[0:25] <mlelstv> https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/propeller-hat
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[0:25] <mlelstv> most people will want something larger
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[0:28] <bekks> Is there something with a larger distance between the shield and the rpi? Ideally, I'd plug that onto the rpi, which is in a case already.
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[0:29] <bekks> I could use a 40 pin cable (some old IDE cable), but thats - ugly. :)
[0:29] <stiv> something connected via ribbon cable
[0:29] <stiv> heh
[0:30] <mlelstv> https://www.adafruit.com/products/914
[0:30] <mines5> wait a minute
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[0:30] <mines5> Are the GPIO pins IDE?
[0:30] <mines5> or something similar at least?
[0:30] <mlelstv> not IDE, but it's the same 40pin connector
[0:31] <mines5> hmmm, interesting
[0:31] <mlelstv> so you can use IDE cables, but don't even think about connecting an old PATA drive there :)
[0:32] <mines5> I wasn't thinking about it lol
[0:32] <bekks> mines5: No, but the pin layout is straight, in an IDE cable
[0:33] <bekks> I guess I need something like this: http://www.amazon.de/Neuftech-T-Cobbler-Raspberry-Breadboard-Steckboard
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[0:35] <mines5> Out of curiosity, does anyone know where on the rpi3 they fitted the built-in wireless?
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[0:37] <mines5> And only one other question, is the rpi itself ROHS compliant?
[0:38] <mlelstv> could it be imported into EU without being ROHS compliant?
[0:39] <BurtyB> mines5, on the bottom near to the SD socket
[0:40] <mines5> I live in 'murica, so I don't know if there is a difference, and the rpi2 has nothing ROHS related on the underside
[0:40] <mlelstv> http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/43312/add-an-external-antenna-to-a-pi-3
[0:41] <stiv> if you set it on fire, just don't breathe the fumes
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[0:41] <[Saint]> mines5: they should all be CE/ROHS testing compliant.
[0:41] <[Saint]> As mentioned above, not doing so would severely cripple their ability to ship to many locales.
[0:41] <mines5> stiv, I know there are stupid people out there, I'm not that stupid
[0:42] <mines5> Ok, there is a CE
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[0:42] <mines5> just no ROHS printed on it
[0:42] <[Saint]> I don't believe there's actually any requirement to post ROHS compliance /on the device itself/, though.
[0:42] <mines5> I feel like it should
[0:42] <mlelstv> https://www.element14.com/community/docs/DOC-44828/l/raspberry-pi-safety-data-sheet
[0:42] <[Saint]> So I doubt that's any indication of compliance.
[0:42] <mines5> because lead poisoning
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[0:43] <[Saint]> mlelstv: bad url is bad
[0:43] <mines5> still impressed they implemented wifi on a pi
[0:43] <mines5> even when they said it was too expensive
[0:43] <[Saint]> And it /was/.
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[0:44] <[Saint]> Now it isn't.
[0:44] <stiv> because google is our friend: https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/testings-done/
[0:45] <mlelstv> hmm
[0:46] <[Saint]> Well...that is an ancient link that can only really be said to apply for the original pi models with any certainty.
[0:47] <[Saint]> But, basically, we _know_ they must be ROHS compliant.
[0:47] <[Saint]> There's no way they could ship to my locale without this.
[0:47] <[Saint]> Or sell, at all, in the UK.
[0:48] <mlelstv> that element14 site has lots of dead links
[0:48] <mines5> Element14 is dead
[0:48] <[Saint]> From my understanding consumer electronic good without ROHS compliance are just a flat out NODO in the UK.
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[0:49] <[Saint]> And, many other locales.
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[0:49] <mlelstv> on the other hand you don't need to comply, you just need a certificate :-|
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[0:49] <mlelstv> if everyone believes it must be compliant because otherwise it wouldn't sold, then nobody will ever check.
[0:50] <[Saint]> One of the reasons why Energy Star ratings are complete and total bullcrap.
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[0:50] <[Saint]> I found out years ago that the Energy Star authority doesn't actually, and isn;t required to, verify the manufacturers stated claims on energy consumption.
[0:51] <mines5> dafuq
[0:51] <[Saint]> They just say "this device is really efficient!", and Energy Star says "Well done, have a sticker".
[0:51] <BurtyB> mlelstv, http://www.alliedelec.com/raspberry-pi-raspberry-pi-3/70816528/ says it's RoHS compliant
[0:51] <[Saint]> And that's the end of it.
[0:51] <stiv> We have been very careful to make sure that it�s RoHS compliant all the way through development. Farnell and RS will be whacking a couple of Raspis with hammers and testing what dust results next week as part of the proper filing of RoHS paperwork, but at this stage it�s a formality.
[0:51] <[Saint]> So, TL;DR: don't use the Energy Star efficiency rating as a means of selecting a device for your household.
[0:52] <stiv> from the pi.org testing link
[0:52] <[Saint]> At least, don't rely on it solely.
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[0:53] <[Saint]> I think the confusion here just revolves around mines5 (quite rightly) thinking that devices actually need to post their ROHS compliance on the device itself.
[0:53] <[Saint]> Which I'm about 99.999% certain isn't the case.
[0:53] <mines5> It should be though, especially with consumer electronics
[0:53] <[Saint]> It would stand to reason, it would make sense, but I don't believe it is an actual requirement.
[0:53] <mines5> or at least those handled by hands
[0:54] <[Saint]> Oh. I agree.
[0:54] <[Saint]> Yeah, don;t get me wrong. It makes a lot of sense.
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[0:54] <[Saint]> I just don't believe it is actually a hard requirement.
[0:54] <mines5> HALLEJULAH
[0:54] <mines5> I fudged that
[0:54] <mines5> it lives :D
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[0:55] <mines5> NOOBS is alive and well again
[0:55] <mines5> even after having to do it with a cellphone
[0:55] <[Saint]> Aha.
[0:56] <[Saint]> ...we found the one guy that uses NOOBS, guys.
[0:56] <[Saint]> The search is over.
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[0:56] <[Saint]> anecdotally: Why?
[0:56] <mines5> I still would have had to do it on my phone
[0:56] <mines5> no adapter to use with the microsd I have
[0:57] <[Saint]> Yes. But, why NOOBS, is what I'm asking. I usually like to ask people why they use it.
[0:57] <[Saint]> A lot of the time I find the answer to simply be "Because I thought I should".
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[0:58] <mines5> I think its more because I just didn't want to load raspbian directly
[0:58] <shauno> Isn't that the whole point of noobs? for people who don't know the answer to that question?
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[0:58] <[Saint]> shauno: well...yes. but those same people quite often end up discovering that it isn;t what they wanted at all.
[0:59] <[Saint]> mines5: for any particular reason?
[0:59] <mines5> I have some aspirations for the future, I just need to get off my ass and achieve them
[0:59] <[Saint]> Most people almost certainly want the raspbian lite image.
[1:00] <[Saint]> ie. raspbian, but without the ~2.5GB of educational packages you'll almost certainly never use.
[1:00] <mines5> Not like I don't have the space
[1:00] * mines5 put a 32GB sd card into the pi
[1:00] <shauno> or any desktop at all, which is quite a jarring start for many
[1:00] <shauno> the world would be a much more boring place if there was one answer for everyone
[1:00] <[Saint]> That's not really the point. There's no reason for a bajillion background services to run that you didn;t put there specifically, in my mind.
[1:01] <[Saint]> Why run any more than you have to for your desired environment?
[1:01] <mines5> I think at least part of my reasoning has to do with dual booting with more than just raspbian
[1:01] <[Saint]> It isn't like installing the LXDE stack is difficult.
[1:02] <[Saint]> And, IMO, if you want to actually learn there's no better way than to thrust youself into building an environment.
[1:02] <shauno> sure. you wanna learn to drive? here's half a cubic meter of steel, have fun
[1:02] <[Saint]> How did you learn to drive?
[1:03] <[Saint]> You have to get behind the wheel at some point...
[1:03] <shauno> yes. but the wheel was already there and functioning when I got there
[1:03] <mines5> Woo, philosophy
[1:03] <[Saint]> then your analogy sucked ass.
[1:04] <mines5> Not necessarily
[1:04] <[Saint]> "you wanna learn to drive? here's a box of nuts and bolts, build a car first" is probably what he was going for.
[1:04] <mines5> I think that was the point, maybe in different words than expected
[1:05] <mines5> At least, thats what I got from it
[1:05] <[Saint]> Hmmm. I parsed it differently, but, yeah - I can see how you'd get that now.
[1:05] <[Saint]> APologies.
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[1:06] <plm> Hi all
[1:06] <mines5> hello
[1:06] <plm> Does the opencv to use advantage Pi3 GPU for processing stuff?
[1:07] <shauno> [Saint]: I just meant there no one answer that suits everyone. eg, I raise my pi headless. many have problems finding an IP that way. "no one answer" is what noobs is good at - when people don't know where they want/need to start
[1:08] <shauno> I mean, it's not for me, and it's obviously not for you. but I think it has its uses
[1:08] <mines5> I use it only because I don't know what I want my pi to do currently
[1:08] <mines5> There are many options
[1:09] <[Saint]> shauno: yeah - and I wasn't trying to imply otherwise.
[1:09] <[Saint]> shauno: my point was more that, in my opinion, most people (from my perspective) end up finding out really quickly how bloated and weird that flow is and settle on a much more minimal environment.
[1:09] <TheSin> wait till you guys use stretch ;)
[1:09] <TheSin> no more eth0 ;) it's enx[mac] by default
[1:09] <[Saint]> ie. they use NOOBS initially, briefly, and then almost immediately toss it in favor of a single dedicated environment
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[1:10] <TheSin> just built a stretch image today that one got me for a bit, have to build a udev rule to fix that one ;)
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[1:10] <[Saint]> TheSin: that's just a "new linux interface scheme" thing.
[1:10] <[Saint]> TheSin: not any distro in particular
[1:10] <TheSin> [Saint], totally
[1:10] <[Saint]> They'll all be doing it soon.
[1:10] <TheSin> but it'll mess with peeps for sure
[1:10] <shauno> yeah, I've ubuntu 14.04 boxes that already do that too. en1/en2 instead of eth0/eth1
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[1:11] <[Saint]> Ubuntu has been doing this ever since 15.10 in the server branch
[1:11] <shauno> ah no, em. en1 is my mac, em1 is ubuntu. good times
[1:11] <TheSin> and the new XOrg stuff, with perms is messed too, had to add my user to tty and input on top of audio and video, and I had to add chmod 660 /dev/tty* to the rc.local to get X to even start as a user
[1:11] <TheSin> and so far I haven't had any luck with VC4 drivers, as a user
[1:12] <TheSin> yeah en1/2 I can handle, that is like OSX which I'm used to
[1:12] <[Saint]> It is the "Predictable Network Interface Name Scheme".
[1:12] <TheSin> but enx[mac] sucks since that'll be diff per pi
[1:12] <TheSin> so you end up with like enx008034567890 as your inet
[1:13] <TheSin> Oop sone too many there but you get the idea
[1:13] <[Saint]> In *buntu eth* is enp0s0
[1:13] <TheSin> again fine if it's the same from pi to pi
[1:13] <[Saint]> gah - I bet that screwed up anyone using irssi.
[1:13] <TheSin> sucks using mac on the en id
[1:13] <TheSin> err name
[1:13] <plm> anyone?
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[1:14] <[Saint]> enp0s0, enp1s0, enp2s0, etc.
[1:14] <TheSin> plm, as far as I knwo all Pis are VC4
[1:14] <TheSin> so gpu is the same so it's not Pi3 specific question
[1:14] <[Saint]> and wlan0 is now 'wlx<lower_case_MAC_address_of_interface>
[1:14] <[Saint]> which is kinda neat, actually.
[1:14] <TheSin> yeah it can be for sure
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[1:15] <plm> TheSin: sorry, is not a pi3 specific question
[1:15] <[Saint]> that one I actually really like. eth*/enp*s* seems largely arbitrary.
[1:15] <TheSin> but when you want to mass build embedded devices, that'll suck, for the image, though udev makes it pretty easy if you know udev of course
[1:15] <plm> Does the opencv to use advantage Pi GPU for processing stuff?
[1:15] <plm> TheSin: ^^
[1:15] <shauno> there's a boot option to set that back to normal. you stick 'net.ifnames=1 biosdevname=0' to your cmdline
[1:15] <[Saint]> But it does help me somewhat with my servers, as I have some rather obscure network cards in there.
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[1:15] <[Saint]> They're dual-gigabit cards, and there's two of them on each server.
[1:16] <TheSin> took me a ton just to find out why, once I knew why I just made the fix by detecting the Pi 2835 nic via usb v/pid and set it to eth0 so things work the same on all Pis for me
[1:16] <[Saint]> The wrapper scripts I use for bringing interfaces up/down before predictable interface names was sooooooooooo convoluted.
[1:16] <TheSin> plm, I'm going to guess no, since most vc4 dev is pretty well raw, but I'm not sure hoenstly
[1:16] <[Saint]> check after check after check to make sure you were dealing with the right interface.
[1:17] <TheSin> [Saint], tell me about it I have tons of 10G Mezz cards
[1:17] <plm> TheSin: ok
[1:17] <TheSin> some have 8 nics, 4 per fabric
[1:17] <[Saint]> uuugh.
[1:17] <TheSin> yeah
[1:18] <[Saint]> I haven't gone completely 10G yet.
[1:18] <TheSin> nice to be able to name them with rules to like iscsi, vlan5 etc etc
[1:18] <[Saint]> Only half my switchgear is 10G capable.
[1:18] <TheSin> I'm 40G backbone but only 10G to servers so far
[1:18] * [Saint] nods
[1:18] <TheSin> just did that in dec, was a long week ;)
[1:19] <[Saint]> I spent the weekend changing my cabinet out. Wasn't /terrible/, but it wasn't "fun" either.
[1:19] <TheSin> plm, sorry it's not better news, but I think lots of advancements have been happening lately with it
[1:20] <shauno> it just bugs me because I have a script to find a new pi on ethernet automagically. but I can't set it a default interface, because I have em2 on one box and enp0s25 on another
[1:20] <[Saint]> I got a massive freestanding double door cabinet. Instead of my two, kinda large, rolling cabinets.
[1:20] * Tachyon` is now known as Tachgone
[1:20] <TheSin> [Saint], but it sure is a great feeling when you do it with custom patch cables, that is what I did this time around, sucks to make 260 cables, but so nice that everythign is PERFECT length
[1:20] <[Saint]> Got all fancy with my wiring loom this time.
[1:20] <plm> TheSin: My intention is to do face detectino and face recognation on Pi3 not more than 2s.
[1:20] <[Saint]> The last setup was a years worth of kludges on kludges.
[1:20] <TheSin> shauno, yeah I hear that for sure, that is what I thought when I saw it today
[1:21] <[Saint]> Something something...what is that analogy, the shoemakers children? Or so?
[1:21] <[Saint]> Build home network looms for other people, and my own sucked terribly.
[1:21] <TheSin> [Saint], you shoudl shair some pics I love seeing other networking art
[1:21] <plm> TheSin: And I think the minimum resolution to do a good work is 1024x768. So I don't know if Pi3 is capable to do that using 4 cores, using CPU and NEON optimization, without GPU.
[1:22] <plm> TheSin: any idea/sugestion?
[1:22] <TheSin> plm, that'll be a super fun project, don't give up, I'm sure it'll come, how close are you now?
[1:23] <plm> TheSin: I'm reasearch about opencv using cafee. And my pi3 came next week
[1:23] <TheSin> plm, my opencv exp is pretty limited hoenstly, I'm doing lots of work right now trying to get vc4+evdi (displaylink USB3) working
[1:24] <plm> TheSin: I will use picamera directally using mmal, not V4l2. V4l2 is slower than native mmal picamera
[1:24] <TheSin> so I follow the work pretty closely, with my PURE debian stretch image it's no issues to start X with VC4 in 1280x800, with the foundation 4.5.x branch I'm struggling
[1:24] <TheSin> yeah and the new firmware just did lots of work with mmal stuff
[1:25] <plm> TheSin: I will not use any X, just recognize and report via tcp/socket to a another pi
[1:25] <TheSin> Eric and popcornmix have been working on it, handoffs on boot, there was some itterupt issue or something, and it sounds like cause of it they found other bugs, so I think things are coming along
[1:25] <plm> TheSin: enabling the TBB oe OpenMP on opencv, it will work using four cores of pi.
[1:26] <plm> TheSin: And enabling NEON will help to much too
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[1:26] <plm> TheSin: but I need to do the work is 2s or less
[1:26] <TheSin> I'd say give it a shot and see where you are, it might be close already honestly
[1:28] <plm> TheSin: another option is use pi just to get images and send via network to a more capable hardware to do the recognation.
[1:28] <plm> and answer to pi the result
[1:28] <TheSin> good to have a plan B, but you never know till you try ;)
[1:29] <plm> yeah
[1:29] <stiv> i wonder about using a pre-trained neural net to recognize images
[1:29] <plm> odroid has 4 cores 2ghz, that is amazing to this work
[1:29] <plm> *c2
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[1:38] <TheSin> I have a c2 and I like it but the dev just isn't there, last I played with it they were still on 3.16 which sucks honestly
[1:38] <TheSin> I like how much support the community has for the Pi, and how much the VC4 is getting cause of Eric/Broadcom direct support
[1:38] <TheSin> but those are obviously personal reasons
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[1:42] <nickgaw> Hi, If I wish to download or build a version of stretch of raspbian is this possible?
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[1:43] <TheSin> nickgaw, yes, I did it today even
[1:44] <nickgaw> Are there prebuilt images of raspbian lite or will I have to build my own and if so how?
[1:44] <TheSin> I'm sure there are other ways, but this is how I do it, https://github.com/TheSin-/rpi-img-builder
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[1:46] <nickgaw> does it work with stretch or just jessie
[1:47] <TheSin> it'll work with experimental if you want
[1:48] <nickgaw> How do I change the default repo do I edit the repos directly or would this be done in the Makefile commands and does it build both lite as well as full images?
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[1:49] <TheSin> nickgaw, like the examples on that main page ;)
[1:49] <TheSin> make REPOSITORIES="blah blah blah"
[1:50] <TheSin> if you do pure debian it will use u-boot and set it up
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[2:03] <nickgaw> what is the bluefalls repository and if I wanted to build a raspbian image just like the foundation does for my model 3b what should I choose?
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[2:14] <exonormal> Raspbian Jessie
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[2:16] <plm> when I use camera.capture('foo.jpg')
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[2:17] <plm> That ^ will use GPU to encode jpeg or CPU?
[2:17] <plm> Or are there another hardware accelleration on Pi for jpeg encode?
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[2:29] <exonormal> don't know... try google it or go to pi forums.
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[2:40] <aName> I don't suppose there's a 'make me a daughterboard' request thread? =p
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[3:17] <DoYouKnow> hi!
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[3:19] <DoYouKnow> I'm trying to correct for temperature drift in an accelerometer+analog to digital converter. The way I've been handling it is averaging the ADC output and temperatature sensor, then multiplying factor=(adc_max - adc_min) / (temperature_max-temperature_min) by the temperature and subtracting it from the adc values
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[3:20] <DoYouKnow> is this the correct way to do it?
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[3:40] <[Saint]> Oh my...grrrrrrrr.
[3:40] <[Saint]> >.>
[3:40] <exonormal> now whut?
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[3:40] <[Saint]> There's always that _one_ guy that thinks "I'll use wireless channel 3, or 7, or something...it'll be a great idea!"
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[3:41] <[Saint]> Should track him down and shank their router up.
[3:41] <exonormal> lol, ok.. go for it
[3:42] <[Saint]> Whoever it is, I bet they think they're an absolute genius for it, too.
[3:42] <[Saint]> "Oh, no one is using this channel...it'll be awesome!"
[3:43] <exonormal> lol.. hope not
[3:43] <[Saint]> Not realizing that not only are they making it worse for them, they're taking others out with them.
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[3:44] <[Saint]> Honestly, I'm not even sure why consumer routers even offer a choice of bands like that.
[3:44] <[Saint]> It only allows for people to do crazy stuff like the above.
[3:44] <[Saint]> Why not name the bands 1, 2, and 3, arbitrarily and have them correspond to bands 1, 6, and 11?
[3:45] <DWKnight> channel overlap stuff is annoying for sure
[3:45] <[Saint]> Or better yet completely abstract that away from the user because they shouldn't even care about it ideally.
[3:47] <DWKnight> I'm glad most of the network analyzer apps take the channel spread into consideration in their rendering
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[3:47] <[Saint]> I "fixed" it by hopping on to channel 14 with some slight trickery for a few things and a couple of modifications for others.
[3:48] <[Saint]> "illegal", but, I don't expect the radio police to kick in my door.
[3:48] <[Saint]> (band 14 is out of spec for my locale)
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[3:49] <DWKnight> region?
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[3:49] <[Saint]> NZ.
[3:50] * IT_Sean calls the New Zealand Federal Router Police
[3:50] <IT_Sean> :p
[3:50] <[Saint]> Hah.
[3:50] <exonormal> oh, you not far from phuton, right?
[3:50] <DWKnight> I think 14 is outside of range for canada as well
[3:50] <[Saint]> *shrugs*
[3:50] <[Saint]> DWKnight: quite probably.
[3:51] <Berg> does new zealand actualy have internet?
[3:51] <Zardoz> howdy all
[3:51] <IT_Sean> Only when the sheep aren't between you and the antenna
[3:51] <[Saint]> NZ router firmware is either supposed to force disable everything past 11 for selection, or where the firmware isn't targeted for new zealand and offers a locale switch disable selection above 11 dynamically.
[3:52] <Berg> gotta love kiwi humour
[3:52] <IT_Sean> I'm sorry, that was terrible.
[3:53] <Berg> its ok im not a kiwi
[3:53] * Berg snickers
[3:53] <IT_Sean> I could tell that by the smell. Or lack thereof in your case.
[3:53] <Berg> the only place in the world i would like to visit is NZ
[3:53] <IT_Sean> Really? there are so many amazing places in the world.
[3:54] <Berg> nar
[3:54] <IT_Sean> Yar!
[3:54] * IT_Sean slaps Berg
[3:54] <Berg> i live inb parradise where is even close to that?
[3:54] * [Saint] is now wondering about the average density of sheep and how a field of depth N sheep would affect the 2.4GHz spectrum
[3:54] <DWKnight> there's a transmit power limit for 12-14 in canada and the us
[3:55] <[Saint]> I suppose you guys use the spectrum just above that for television like we do?
[3:55] <DWKnight> and channel 14 is really only provisioned in the B spec anyway
[3:55] <[Saint]> television and wireless internet.
[3:55] <Zardoz> I think NZ has big beer too, so I would like to go as well.
[3:55] <IT_Sean> [Saint]: it depends on the size of the individual sheep in the herd, how long since they've been shaved, and how many layers of tin foil they are wrapped in at the time.
[3:56] <[Saint]> Ha!
[3:57] <IT_Sean> Xp
[3:57] <[Saint]> Oh. Hey. Awesome. NZ finally officially got YouTube Red.
[3:58] <[Saint]> No more tunneling trickery.
[3:58] <Chryodem> nice
[3:58] <Zardoz> good
[3:58] <Zardoz> does it cost more like everything eles?
[3:58] <[Saint]> I was previously having to trick everything that handled my Google Music subscription into thinking I was US based.
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[3:59] <[Saint]> And, no. If you already pay for Google Music, YouTube Red is included. Or the inverse. If you pay for a YouTube Red subscription you get Google Music as well.
[4:00] <[Saint]> I jumped on board early, so I think I get it for $12NZD/mo.
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[4:00] <Zardoz> but
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[4:00] <[Saint]> I think it is $14 or so otherwise.
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[4:00] <[Saint]> Not terrible considering.
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[4:01] <[Saint]> $4/wk to stream All The Things in the world to 10 devices is pretty neat, IMO.
[4:01] <IT_Sean> Or you can pirate it for free!
[4:01] <IT_Sean> (I didn't just say that)
[4:01] <Zardoz> yup yup
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[4:01] <[Saint]> IT_Sean: eh - effort.
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[4:01] <[Saint]> IT_Sean: eh - effort.
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[4:02] <Zardoz> haha
[4:02] <IT_Sean> Yeah... It is kind of a pain.
[4:02] <Zardoz> was that link kicking yourself in the nuts?
[4:02] <IT_Sean> Not as painful.
[4:03] <[Saint]> I probably lose more than $12 a month in random pocket change (my wallet sucks at holding coins). So I figure it could be worse.
[4:03] <[Saint]> Ms. [Saint] uses it a _lot_.
[4:04] <[Saint]> And no ads in normal youtube, and no ads in youtube red at all, and backgrounded youtube playback, are all very neat things.
[4:04] <IT_Sean> I hate carrying loose change. I empty coins out of my pocket every time I come home. The jar in my kitchen probably has about $20 or so in coins in it at the moment.
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[4:04] <Berg> IT_Sean: is a dictator see what he did to him
[4:04] <[Saint]> Yeah, my nightstand is probably harboring about $20 in shrapnel as well.
[4:04] <[Saint]> I hate coins.
[4:05] <Berg> actualy my coin jar is empty my grankids been visit and every daay a trip to the icecream shop emptied it
[4:05] <[Saint]> NZ re-did the $0.10, $0.20, $0.50 coins a while ago, and made them a lot smaller and a lot lighter.
[4:05] <[Saint]> But they're still a pain.
[4:06] <[Saint]> The $1 and $2 coins you could still bludgeon someone to death with with about $20 in change.
[4:06] <Zardoz> hah cost reduce
[4:06] <[Saint]> They're really heavy.
[4:06] <[Saint]> We got rid of the $0.05 coin entirely, because they suck.
[4:07] <[Saint]> made some things ever so slightly cheaper, and others ever so slightly more expensive, when paying in cash.
[4:07] <[Saint]> but totes worth it.
[4:07] <IT_Sean> Mine is badly in need of emptying
[4:07] <IT_Sean> BRB
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[4:08] <IT_Sean> My coin jar is overflowing. I should do something about that, i suppose.
[4:08] <Zardoz> nuy some pis
[4:09] <Zardoz> :P
[4:09] <Zardoz> buy even
[4:09] <IT_Sean> I have two or three already.
[4:09] <IT_Sean> Right now, i'd rather some pie
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[4:09] <Zardoz> mmm pie
[4:09] <Zardoz> what kind
[4:09] <IT_Sean> Apple, perhaps.
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[4:11] <IT_Sean> http://i.imgur.com/PJYfvo0h.jpg
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[4:11] <Zardoz> ha
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[4:13] <sockofleas> anyone have some project ideas that would be fun in a dorm room?
[4:14] * ball can't remember college.
[4:15] <ozzzy_> sockofleas, most of my dormroom projects involved alcohol and coeds
[4:15] <IT_Sean> ... or some comfination thereof?
[4:15] <sockofleas> sounds very interesting
[4:15] <IT_Sean> I always found those two things best in combination.
[4:16] <sockofleas> looking for raspberry pi ideas though
[4:16] <IT_Sean> raspberrypi-powered drinks mixer?
[4:16] <sockofleas> pretty sure a spoon will suffice
[4:17] <IT_Sean> No, i mean an automated drinks dispenser.
[4:17] * IT_Sean slaps sockofleas with a spoon
[4:17] <sockofleas> sounds great
[4:18] <sockofleas> any other ideas?
[4:19] <ball> How about a solenoid-powered bell that reminds you when to take reading breaks? All you're doing is studying, right?
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[4:29] <IT_Sean> studying is soooo overrated.
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[4:37] <jrg> what is the size limit on the microsd slot on a pi3 or bananapi m3?
[4:37] <jrg> the bpi m3 says 64GB. is that a hw limitation?
[4:37] <Zardoz> Jrg I had a 128GB in my pi 3
[4:37] <Berg> just arrived a raspberry pi 3 model b
[4:38] <Berg> times 2
[4:38] <Zardoz> Berg: \o/ yay
[4:38] <jrg> Zardoz: it sees the whole 128GB?
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[4:38] <Zardoz> jrg: ues sir...
[4:38] <jrg> there are 200GB mSD now
[4:38] <jrg> wonder if those work as well
[4:38] <Zardoz> jrg: the 200GB are slow as hell
[4:38] <jrg> they are?
[4:39] <Zardoz> jrg: yeah
[4:39] <stiv> Berg, we're jealous. you must have about 40~50 by now
[4:39] <jrg> i was looking at a bpi m3. that thing looks like a beast but i wanted more storage than 64GB for it but it says 64GB max
[4:39] <jrg> wonder if that is a hw limitation or if that was just all that was available when it was released
[4:39] <Zardoz> jrg: I had a samsung evo 128gb in my pi3 no issues.
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[4:40] <Berg> no 25
[4:40] <jrg> oh. nm. i'm not payig $45 for the 128GB lol
[4:40] <Berg> you eggg zad er ate
[4:40] <jrg> i'll just get the 64 for $15
[4:40] <Zardoz> so far the fastest card I had in the pi3 is a evo+ 32GB
[4:41] <Zardoz> yeah the 128s cost$$$
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[4:42] <Zardoz> I have gone to a 32gb evo+ and usb drive for storage
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[4:42] <ziddey> it'd be interesting to expose mmc1 via gpio, hook up a second sd card, and raid em up
[4:42] <jrg> well. the bpi has the 8GB emmc
[4:43] <jrg> so that will help. the sd is just for raw storage
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[4:43] <jrg> although in my case i might be doing most of my work over cifs
[4:43] <jrg> that's a problem i'm running into with the pi1 ... cifsd is murdre and i get like 1.4MB/s over the 100mbit lan
[4:43] <jrg> *murder
[4:44] <jrg> the pi1 has been a trooper tho :)
[4:45] <jrg> ah well.. i orderever everything. with the bpi m3, 2.5A power, case, mSD, and heatsinks it was ~$130
[4:46] <Berg> what OS should i use for pi3?
[4:46] <Berg> jessie lite ok?
[4:46] <exonormal> no, Bud lite is better
[4:47] <Berg> can you lionk me to bud lite?
[4:47] <Berg> link
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[4:49] <exonormal> ok minute...
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[4:51] <exonormal> http://logos.wikia.com/wiki/Bud_Light
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[4:52] <Berg> do i pour it in the sdcard slot?
[4:52] <exonormal> yup
[4:53] <exonormal> yummy
[4:53] <exonormal> lol
[4:53] <Berg> the sdcard is no longer spring loaded on a 3?
[4:53] <exonormal> yes it is
[4:53] <Berg> mine isnt
[4:53] <Berg> no locking click
[4:53] <exonormal> it "clicks"
[4:53] <giaBeanz> not spring loaded
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[4:53] <Berg> no
[4:54] <exonormal> my car is spring loaded
[4:54] <Berg> speed racer
[4:54] <giaBeanz> my mattress is spring loaded
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[4:55] <exonormal> oh yes, ty, for reminding me.. didn't think of that.
[4:55] <Berg> its alive marthter
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[4:56] <EEGore> its alive marthter
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[4:58] <exonormal> my time up for the night... cya...
[4:58] <Berg> i cant ssh intpo my pi?
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[5:01] <pksato> Berg: you get a DLC to do it? :)
[5:01] <Berg> ok fixed had to reboot it
[5:01] <Berg> whats a dlc?
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[5:04] <pksato> You is not a gamer, right? (its was a reference joke)
[5:04] <Berg> i play warzone2100 thats all
[5:04] <Berg> nothing else
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[5:18] <Berg> so its just as slow to install lightdm as a pi2
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[5:32] <sockofleas> anyone have some project ideas that would be fun in a dorm room?
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[5:34] <Berg> still installing
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[5:35] <Berg> a presure pad at your door and a pi thats screams out danger will robinson
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[5:37] <Zardoz> techno dorm mode.
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[5:39] <pksato> sockofleas: some inspiration https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STRR6zWf3qs
[5:39] <Zardoz> magic mirrior
[5:40] <sockofleas> pksato: my physics teacher has one of those
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[5:41] <sockofleas> i really wanted to hang a monitor on the door or something like that to have an automatic message board, but powering it is an issue
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[5:43] <ball> sockofleas: Do you want colour?
[5:44] <sockofleas> what do u mean
[5:44] <sockofleas> in the monitor?
[5:44] * ball nods
[5:45] <sockofleas> why would i not?
[5:46] <ball> sockofleas: eInk might give you a nice long battery life.
[5:46] <ball> ...but that's usually monochrome, I think.
[5:49] <Berg> http://howtovotefortrump.com
[5:50] <Berg> heheh
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[5:50] <Berg> dont click it
[5:50] <ball> ?
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[5:54] <sockofleas> ball: i just looked for some of those displays, they get to be pricy at >6"
[5:54] <sockofleas> plus i dont have the slightest idea how to use the thing
[5:54] <ball> Ah, I wasn't aware of that.
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[6:27] <Zardoz> jebus, about to get hit with a big storm.
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[6:29] <Rukus> oh noes
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[6:36] <ball> Zardoz: Where are you?
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[6:43] <Zardoz> Austin TX
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[6:44] <ball> Zardoz: Ah, I have a friend there.
[6:44] <Zardoz> San An, going to really get it.
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[6:48] <niston> yay https://niston.wordpress.com/2016/05/18/speaker-restoration/
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[7:23] <[Saint]> Hmmmm. I need to teach my heat pumps how to ignore the cats.
[7:24] <[Saint]> It'll try and split the difference in horizontal swing between the cat(s) and I.
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[7:24] <[Saint]> Which is unintended operation to say the least.
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[7:51] <Zardoz> save me.... http://imgur.com/3vUqyaZ
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[8:00] <Crom> nice you wanted to replace that fence right?
[8:01] <Crom> I used to live about 70 miles from you
[8:01] <Crom> corner of 90 and 10 on the west side of san antonio
[8:02] <[Saint]> Stand your ground.
[8:03] <[Saint]> If it comes near you, shoot it dead.
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[8:08] <oq> anyone order a zero from pimoroni?
[8:08] <oq> Bit annoying that I ordered 20 minutes after zeros were available and it still hasn't been shipped
[8:11] <Crom> pihut and ada
[8:11] <oq> Crom: which one is being shipped over the atlantic?
[8:11] <Crom> pihut
[8:11] <Crom> <- kf6pqz SoCal Dude
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[8:12] <oq> won't that take forever to get to you?
[8:13] <Crom> usually... pimoroni took almost a most
[8:13] <Crom> month
[8:13] <Zardoz> whats with the UK and shipping?
[8:14] <oq> Zardoz: what do you mean?
[8:14] <Zardoz> I once had somthing from china come faster then from the UK... because the UK venter did not sill the parts for 10 days.
[8:14] <Zardoz> arg...
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[8:14] <Zardoz> ship the part
[8:15] <Zardoz> anyways, UK vender's are slow to ship.
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[8:15] <oq> hmm, any cases for the new zero exist yet?
[8:16] <Zardoz> I guess I should say fulfill the parts then ship.
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[8:17] <oq> Zardoz: what I find incredibly rage inducing is those ebay resellers who don't even carry any stock. I had this one from italy who made me wait months because the guy he was buying it from to resell it to me was taking too long
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[8:17] <oq> it should be illegal to sell something you don't even have in stock
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[8:26] <wildc4rd> I'm trying to get my Pi to fill an entire 1080p screen, without the black border. Best way to do this?
[8:27] <wildc4rd> (Raspbian Jessie)
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[8:27] <Zardoz> config.txt overscan?
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[8:33] <wildc4rd> ty Zardoz, that got it. Just uncommented the disable overscan
[8:34] <wildc4rd> I like the easy fixes
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[8:38] <Zardoz> yw...
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[8:55] <oq> does this look good for a zero? https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B015875MQQ
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[9:01] <edjuh> Hide JOINS/PARTS/QUITS
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[9:06] <Vostok> oq: no
[9:06] <oq> Vostok: why?
[9:06] <Vostok> oq: 1) unnecessary usb3 2) you can get similar usb2 otg devices with a micro usb connector
[9:07] <Vostok> so you don't need to chain adapters
[9:07] <oq> Vostok: nah the usb 3 isn't important, it's the gigabit which is the important part, you can get at least 300mbit out of it on a pi
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[9:07] <Vostok> let me find you an example
[9:07] <oq> and you're not going to find many gigabit usb 2 ones
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[9:08] <Vostok> fair enough
[9:08] <Crom> well I'm broke until payday again
[9:08] <Vostok> https://www.adafruit.com/products/2992
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[9:09] <Crom> 2992 is nice if you run wired ethernet, which I don't
[9:09] <oq> Vostok: so that's the same except with an intergrated micro usb shim?
[9:09] <Crom> otg plug
[9:09] <Vostok> yes
[9:10] <Vostok> the case looks 3D printed, hmm
[9:10] <Crom> injection molded
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[9:38] <[Saint_]> Hot damn Google's live support chat is awesome.
[9:39] <[Saint_]> The chat thingy was all like "you're 12th in the queue" and I was all like "awwww dammit".
[9:39] <[Saint_]> But it took like 30s to get to me.
[9:39] <[Saint_]> And the Googler-chat-dude-guy-man was awesome.
[9:40] <Armand> We recently acquired another webhosting company.. I've overheard some of their support calls. They seem quite good. :)
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[9:44] <oq> ehh have they stepped it up? I always heard google support was awful unless you were a big adsense user
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[10:01] <stevie86> Hi! I'm trying to install seafile on raspbian - when I try to run ./setup-seafile.sh i get an error saying python setuptools are missing but when i try to install them it tells me the latest is already installed?
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[10:23] <quasar_71> i need help in powering my raspberry pi via compact kits,any suggestions?
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[10:26] <BurtyB> powering your pi with a drums?
[10:27] <quasar_71> BurtyB: i was said we can directly power it by connecting inputs to 5v and G pins available on the break out board,is that possible?
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[10:32] <ShorTie> normally i do believe, but you bypass the protection
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[11:20] <boxmein> hey, how do I recover from assigning my rpi a weird IP address that nothing wants to route to
[11:21] <boxmein> I have ethernet crossover / physical access, but not keyboard/video/mouse to attach to the pi directly
[11:21] <Japa> I can think of two ways
[11:21] <Japa> 1: flash it fresh
[11:21] <Japa> 2: connect it to a monitor
[11:21] <Japa> Or just put the card into something that can read ext4
[11:22] <ShorTie> ssh & dhcp are enabled by defualt
[11:22] <mfa298> if you know what IP settings you put on the Pi, you could configure matching settings on you pc and ssh in
[11:22] <boxmein> mfa298: ip 192.168.5.106 gateway 192.168.5.1
[11:22] <ShorTie> should work if you plug cable in, might need to give it a few to kivck in
[11:23] <ShorTie> s/kivck/kick
[11:23] <boxmein> mfa298: what I'm intending to do... this far I've crossovered it, used a generic ubuntu/networkmanager "shared" network setup to try and ssh in (but "shared" assigns the wrong subnet, 10.x.y.z), tried manually setting up the config and routes, but the last step failed
[11:23] <boxmein> I'm not entirely familiar with network setup
[11:23] <boxmein> current settings are
[11:26] <boxmein> http://hastebin.com/otehazadeb.sm
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[11:29] <ShorTie> kinda cornfused, you hooking pi up to router or pc ??
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[11:34] <mfa298> that seems to show no address settings on eth0
[11:35] <mfa298> you could try 'ip addr show dev eth0' and see if that shows anything (depending on how addresses are added they don't always show in ifconfig)
[11:38] <BurtyB> looks like it's being connected to via wifi since that has an IP (.146) so maybe eth0 just needs an edit to the config file?
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[12:33] <Megaf_> Hi all, anyone here running 64 bit kernel and userland?
[12:33] <Megaf_> on the RPi3
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[14:06] <bojangles> hey just wondering if anyone has had much experience with using xbox kinect in a project?
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[14:56] <Lartza> bojangles, I am not sure if the RPi has enough beef
[14:56] <Lartza> Maybe now with the Pi 3
[14:57] <Lartza> iirc Kinect even though it has processors inside still is heavy on the PC
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[15:46] <Boscop> hi. out of all the rasperry-pi-alike computers, which one has the highest OpenGL version?
[15:47] <Bilby> Hmm. Not sure? Great Scott! on Youtube has done a lot of reviews of the various fruit pies
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[15:55] <Tenkawa> hi all
[15:55] <BurtyB> hi
[15:56] <Tenkawa> Bilby: yay the good weather is back
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[16:26] <GRiZL0C> hey everyone, just picked up a new PS4 game called Doom its an awesome game with very cool single player campaign and multiplayer matches up to 12 players 6vs6 and also a map editor...for all you gamers out there :)
[16:26] <BurtyB> err lol
[16:27] <GRiZL0C> yeah its a but strange to post this in a rpi room
[16:28] <GRiZL0C> i thought there should be some spi users who also are gamers like me
[16:28] * BurtyB was more thinking it's like the 1990s all over again
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[16:35] <Chunkyz> :O
[16:36] <centipeda> "a new PS4 game called Doom"
[16:36] <centipeda> lol
[16:36] <Chunkyz> ps4 sucks. xbox one wins.
[16:36] <Zardoz> lol
[16:37] <Roonix> They both suck, PC wins. xP
[16:37] <Zardoz> for the most part same freaking hardware.
[16:37] <Zardoz> Roonix: right
[16:37] <centipeda> Roonix: I think in the case of Doom, you'd get the most people agreeing.
[16:38] * IT_Sean tapes Roonix's mouth shut with a "PCMasterRace" sticker, fires hup is XBOne
[16:39] <Zardoz> hah IT_Sean
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[16:55] <traeak> anyone tried yet to build an audio interface type ting out of a pi ?
[16:56] <traeak> a "good one" starts at 80usd on sale
[16:56] <mgottschlag> what kind of audio interface?
[16:56] <traeak> xlr to usb
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[16:56] <traeak> dual or whatever
[16:56] <traeak> so would require DACsof course
[16:56] <traeak> aother problem is the usb presentation
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[17:22] <ColdKeyboard> How do I configure raspberry to use 3.5mm and initialize audio on boot? When I run headless raspberry, there is no audio. When I connect HDMI, there is audio output.
[17:22] <ColdKeyboard> I have added modprobe snd_bcm2835 to the crontab at boot, used raspi-config to force default audio output to 3.5mm, and it still doesn't work :(
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[17:24] <Bilby> ColdKeyboard can you change it in raspi-config?
[17:25] <ColdKeyboard> Bilby: I did. I've set it to 3.5mm output
[17:26] <ColdKeyboard> but still there is no audio when there is no HDMI cable. Howerver, if I connect the HDMI cable, everthing works...
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[17:40] <Bilby> ColdKeyboard: have you verified the cord you're using has the correct pinout?
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[17:41] <ColdKeyboard> Bilby: Yes. It's the exact same setup. Just one is with HDMI plugged in, and one is without
[17:41] <ColdKeyboard> I'm guessing snd_bcm2835 is not getting loaded or alsa is not loaded when running without HDMI cable :\
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[17:54] <TheSin> ColdKeyboard, there are 2 things you need to do
[17:55] <TheSin> one sec I'm just booting up to get them for you
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[17:55] <TheSin> okay add "dtparam=audio=on" to you config.txt that will auto load snd_bcm2835
[17:55] <TheSin> no need to modprobe it anymore
[17:56] <TheSin> then in /etc/rc.local add "amixer cset numid=3 1 || true"
[17:56] <TheSin> that forces sound to 3.5mm even if hdmi is plugged
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[17:57] <troulouliou_div2> hi is there any benefit from pi3 64bitsd architecture atm ?
[17:57] <troulouliou_div2> seems like raspbian is still 32bit ??
[17:57] <TheSin> troulouliou_div2, 64bit isn't really ATM, though there are other advantages to the Pi3
[17:57] <Syliss> how is the sound output on the pi zero and pi3? the first run pi was meh
[17:58] <troulouliou_div2> TheSin, ok
[17:58] <TheSin> Syliss, you can try the experimental sound output by adding "audio_pwm_mode=2" to config.txt
[17:58] <TheSin> Syliss, but Pi0 doesn't have sound iirc, or at least not 3.5mm
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[17:59] <giddles> hey i have sound problems
[17:59] <giddles> some youtube video i can hear, some only noise
[17:59] <giddles> is there a fix @ rpi3/mate 16.x
[17:59] <TheSin> you'd have to talk to the mate dev
[18:00] <giddles> meh
[18:00] <TheSin> no idea what patches they have or use
[18:00] <giddles> maybe is only a misconfiguration
[18:00] <Syliss> TheSin: yeah the pi0 doesnt, i just looked at my board and was like doh
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[18:00] <TheSin> Syliss, you can add one to the GPIOs though, I'm builting one right now it's pretty simple
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[18:01] <TheSin> Syliss, https://learn.adafruit.com/adding-basic-audio-ouput-to-raspberry-pi-zero/pi-zero-pwm-audio
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[18:01] <TheSin> just need a couple resistors, caps and a 3.5mm jack really
[18:02] <ColdKeyboard> TheSin: I'm adding dtparam=audio=on to the config.txt
[18:02] <Tenkawa> oops... that was the wrong key
[18:02] <ColdKeyboard> is it dtparam=audio=on or dtparam=audio-on
[18:02] <TheSin> =audio=on
[18:02] <ColdKeyboard> It's weird for me seeing = two times, thats why I ask :)
[18:02] <ColdKeyboard> thx!
[18:02] <TheSin> yup
[18:03] <ColdKeyboard> Where do I add this amixer xset numid=3 1 || true ?
[18:03] <TheSin> ColdKeyboard, oh shoot I should have asked what kernel version are you running and is it the foundation kernel? aka raspbian?
[18:03] <TheSin> ColdKeyboard, to /etc/rc.local
[18:03] <ColdKeyboard> Raspbian
[18:04] <TheSin> k type uname -a and tell me the version please
[18:04] <ColdKeyboard> TheSin: It has some _IP=$(hosname -I)... stuf
[18:04] <ColdKeyboard> I'm running raspbian
[18:04] <TheSin> ColdKeyboard, that is fin, just add a line and put it at the end
[18:04] <ColdKeyboard> Do I just add that line to the end of the file
[18:04] <TheSin> yes
[18:04] <ColdKeyboard> ok, thank you sir :)
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[18:05] <TheSin> no problem
[18:05] <ColdKeyboard> Testing it now. Fingers crossed :)
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[18:06] <ColdKeyboard> Still the same thing :\
[18:07] <ColdKeyboard> TheSin: I added those two lines to the files, and still the same problem :\
[18:07] <TheSin> do lsmod | grep snd_bcm2835
[18:07] <TheSin> did it load
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[18:07] <TheSin> and you still haven't done uname -a for me so I can see the kernel version
[18:07] <ColdKeyboard> TheSin: I'm running it without HDMI cable
[18:07] <TheSin> that is fine
[18:07] <TheSin> all mine run without hdmi cables
[18:07] <ColdKeyboard> And It's A+ so I don't have SSH :\
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[18:08] <ColdKeyboard> I have to restart it and connect HDMI cable
[18:08] <ColdKeyboard> but with HDMI cable it loads all the modules
[18:08] <TheSin> k, need to know the version fo the kernel, I think you need at least 4.1 it might be 4.4 for the proper snd overlays
[18:08] <ColdKeyboard> Ok, just give me a sec to boot and I'll do uname -a for you
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[18:09] <ColdKeyboard> TheSin: It says 4.1.19+
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[18:10] <TheSin> that shoudl work IIRC, you might want to run and update on it though
[18:10] <ColdKeyboard> I did apt-get update and apt-get upgrade
[18:10] <ColdKeyboard> do you want me to do fw upgrade?
[18:11] <TheSin> I don't run raspbian so I have no idea how it updates teh kernel I know at one point it used rpi-update, but I thought it was pure debian now, maybe someone here knows that part better then me
[18:11] <TheSin> but for the audio=on part of config.txt to owrk you ened the newer device tree, I though 4.1 was enough, and I still do thing that
[18:12] <TheSin> you don't have device_tree= in your config.txt do you?
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[18:18] <TheSin> anyone hear brave enough to be runnign the foundation 4.5 branch? and if so are you running vc4 drivers with an success?
[18:18] <TheSin> an = any
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[18:22] <ColdKeyboard> TheSin: So, are you suggesting that rpi-update might help?
[18:22] <ColdKeyboard> I don't have device_tree in my config :\
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[18:23] <TheSin> ColdKeyboard, it's good that you don't I wanted to make sure you weren't in ATAGS mode
[18:23] <TheSin> ColdKeyboard, it's possible but since I can't see your boot it's hard for me to answer
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[18:24] <ColdKeyboard> :\
[18:24] <TheSin> I knwo those 2 things are all that is needed though I do it all the time
[18:25] <ColdKeyboard> I don't know, but is there a way to force RPI to use HDMI, even thou it's not connected?
[18:25] <ColdKeyboard> Or something like that. Because it works with HDMI plugged in.
[18:25] <TheSin> works, meaning it's going though 3.5mm?
[18:25] <TheSin> through I mean
[18:25] <ColdKeyboard> Yes
[18:25] <TheSin> that is very odd
[18:25] <ColdKeyboard> With HDMI in, everything works. Without HDMI it doesn't
[18:25] <TheSin> that shouldn't make a diff at all
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[18:26] <TheSin> without HDMI are you sure it's fulling booting even?
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[18:27] <ColdKeyboard> I'm pretty sure it's booting, because I have python script running at boot, and it responds
[18:28] <ColdKeyboard> Like when I press a buton, the LEDs light up, webcam starts recording and everything, but there is no audio out on 3.5mm
[18:28] <TheSin> well okay here is the other thing then, if you have sripts running before rc.local, sound won't be forced to 3.5mm yet
[18:28] <TheSin> rc.local is normally that last thing that runs
[18:28] <ColdKeyboard> :S
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[18:29] <TheSin> so if that is the case run that amixer command before your script
[18:29] <ColdKeyboard> How can I fix that? I'm running script by cronjob as @reboot
[18:29] <Syliss> osmc vs openelec? which do yall prefer?
[18:29] <TheSin> and make sure your have amixer installed
[18:29] <ColdKeyboard> so what should I add to @reboot before running my script
[18:30] <TheSin> ColdKeyboard, I'd have to look at the boot order, I forget when reboot type cron jobs start
[18:30] <TheSin> maybe put a sleep 10 or somethign to be sure? at least as a test
[18:30] <ColdKeyboard> @reboot sudo amixer cset numid=3 1
[18:30] <TheSin> or try that I guess
[18:30] <TheSin> likely wont' need sudo
[18:30] <TheSin> since cron will run it as root
[18:31] <ColdKeyboard> Ok, I'll try adding that now
[18:31] <TheSin> kk let me know
[18:31] <ColdKeyboard> I also have modprobe @reboot, but that alone didn't help :\
[18:31] <TheSin> modprobe isn't required anymore with the audio=on in the config.txt
[18:32] <TheSin> plus that isn't a good idea anyhow
[18:32] <TheSin> if you stillw ant to make extra sure it's loading then add it to /etc/modules
[18:32] <ColdKeyboard> How do I add it to /etc/modules?
[18:32] <TheSin> or /etc/modules-load.d/modules.conf
[18:32] <ColdKeyboard> Oh, it's already there
[18:33] <ColdKeyboard> I only have modules in the /etc folder
[18:33] <ColdKeyboard> no modules-load.d :\
[18:34] <TheSin> that is why I said or ;)
[18:34] <TheSin> depends on teh debian version ;)
[18:35] <ColdKeyboard> Oh, okay. :)
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[18:44] <TheSin> ColdKeyboard, just switchign from wifi to eth, brb
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[18:45] <TheSin> ColdKeyboard, back
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[18:51] <curlyears> *wow* I tried to join about an hour ago, and after 5 minutes of spinning my wheels, I gave up. This time, the join succeeded almost immediately. Strange happenings
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[18:51] <curlyears> is there *ANY* way to boot the Pi3 off a USBthumb?
[18:52] <BurtyB> not atm, but in the future there might be
[18:52] <curlyears> doggone it\
[18:53] <curlyears> is that because the Pi are "hard coded" to boot from the SDHC socket?
[18:54] <curlyears> I have a USB to SATA3 adaptor, and would like to be able to use my 250GB SSD with my thumb, but I want to be able to boot from mit
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[18:55] <BurtyB> curlyears, closest you're going to get is boot from SD and root on usb
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[18:56] <curlyears> ]BurtyB: oh, well...given alll it doies do, I suppose i shouldn't complain about the few things it won't do, eh *grin8
[18:56] <curlyears> s/8/*/
[18:57] <TheSin> curlyears, you at minimum need to have the firmware on the SD, but after that you coudl switch to USB for the rootfs
[18:57] <TheSin> I haven't tried it but i'm sure it's possible
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[18:58] <curlyears> TheSin "the firmware?" ANy "firmware" would be physically ON the Pi
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[18:59] <shiftplusone> BurtyB: not entirely true.
[18:59] <curlyears> does anyone have any technical news on how the Pis sent into orbit fared, in terms of reliability in space?
[19:00] <shiftplusone> curlyears: keep an eye on the blog, there should be a post about booting without an sd card at some point.
[19:00] <curlyears> thnx shiftplusone
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[19:00] <shiftplusone> curlyears: as far as the pis on the ISS are going, I don't think anyone can reveal the specifics, but I know they're doing much better than anyone could've hoped for.
[19:00] <curlyears> one has you read younick carefully, or consider it offensive, *heh*
[19:01] <shiftplusone> meh
[19:01] <curlyears> shiftplusone: great! I was a tad worried about ionizing radiation damage/errors
[19:02] <TheSin> curlyears, the Pi firmware also known as bootloader
[19:02] <curlyears> one presumes the specifics will become availble after the experiment is over?
[19:03] <curlyears> OK\
[19:03] <curlyears> but once you're booted into an OS, you can swap SD cards at will?
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[19:04] <shiftplusone> In my land, we call the firmware the stuff that runs on the GPU in the background. It COULD have been added as an eeprom or something to qualify as traditional 'firmware', but instead, it was put on the sd card for a variety of reasons. For users, it makes updating and testing easier.
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[19:06] <Yukkii> yo
[19:07] <Yukkii> http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/add-reset-switch-raspberry-pi/ anyone know where I can get the switch and pins?
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[19:08] <pksato> Yukkii: on a electronic parts store.
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[19:10] <Roonix> Yukkii, where you from?
[19:10] <Yukkii> USA
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[19:11] <Roonix> http://www.amazon.com/uxcell-Computer-Power-Supply-Switch/dp/B00H8Q0978/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1463591438&sr=8-6&keywords=pc+case+reset+switch you'll probs be able to find them cheaper, but this is what you need
[19:11] <Tenkawa> Yukkii: got a microcenter near you?
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[19:13] <Yukkii> Nope
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[19:13] <Tenkawa> darn... they are really good for this stuff
[19:13] <Yukkii> Roonix: Would I be able to pull header pins from my old motherboard?
[19:14] <Yukkii> Or do they have to be a specific type. Sorry, new to this
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[19:14] <Roonix> the pins are called "Male header pins" http://www.amazon.com/5pcs-Angle-Single-Header-Strip/dp/B0079SK5MO/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1463591634&sr=8-9&keywords=male+header+pins
[19:14] <pksato> on link, connector, cable and swicth come from a pc case.
[19:14] <Yukkii> Yeah, I could get the header pins from my MB. They look just like that
[19:15] <pksato> pins, can be removed from old pc parts.
[19:15] <Roonix> aye
[19:15] <pksato> and other electronics.
[19:16] <Yukkii> I'll just need a reset switch now. I'll pick it up when I can
[19:16] <Yukkii> Thanks guys
[19:16] <Roonix> though when I try to remove header pins I often melt the plastic >.< Im pretty bad at de-soldering :D
[19:16] <Yukkii> rip
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[19:16] <Yukkii> I usually brute-force capacitors. This board I was working on had grounding through the board, so I couldn't get the solder to melt without taking off the head
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[19:17] <pksato> but, have lots of types of switch button.
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[19:18] <Yukkii> Would an old case have one I could use?
[19:18] <pksato> Yes
[19:18] <pksato> power and reset
[19:19] <pksato> These are Momentary Push Button
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[19:23] <Yukkii> The button on my old case is a 4-pin male
[19:23] <Yukkii> :I
[19:23] <pksato> Yes, some have 6 pins.
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[19:24] <pksato> two switches.
[19:24] <pksato> on one.
[19:25] <ColdKeyboard> TheSin: Can you please check this -> https://www.diffchecker.com/cjgj5jxt
[19:25] <ColdKeyboard> Left side is without HDMI and right side is with HDMI cable
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[19:26] <TheSin> ColdKeyboard, usb snd?? you have a usb snd device installed or more modprobing happening?
[19:27] <ColdKeyboard> I have the USB2Ethernet bridge
[19:27] <ColdKeyboard> But this is weird
[19:27] <Chunkyz> looks like google are copying the raspberrypi....
[19:27] <ColdKeyboard> Now I have HDMI plugged in, but I'm not logged in
[19:27] <ColdKeyboard> and it doesn't work
[19:27] <ColdKeyboard> So for the script to work, I have to be logged in??
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[19:28] <TheSin> again I'm not sure how you are running your script so I can't answer that
[19:28] <TheSin> try adding it to rc.local after the amixer call
[19:28] <TheSin> instead fo cron
[19:29] <ColdKeyboard> I'm running it from cronjob
[19:30] <ColdKeyboard> I'll try with rc.local
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[19:30] <ColdKeyboard> don't know what's the diference between cron, when I logon or rc.local?
[19:30] <ColdKeyboard> but when I run it like pi logged on user, it works :S
[19:30] <michael33> chunkyz: are you watching live?
[19:30] <Chunkyz> michael33, yeah
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[19:32] <michael33> i guess i just missed it
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[19:33] <Chunkyz> michael33, https://www.reddit.com/live/wxvyt3ogrb31/
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[19:33] <michael33> allo world
[19:34] <michael33> chuckyz im watching through https://events.google.com/io2016/
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[19:34] <Chunkyz> does that need flash?
[19:36] <michael33> no
[19:36] <michael33> its a youtube live feed
[19:36] <Chunkyz> yeah, I'm on my pi watching the reddit thread lol
[19:36] <Chunkyz> youtube doesn't work for some reason -.-
[19:37] <michael33> ohh ok
[19:37] <Chunkyz> I'm really hoping for a new nexus 7, meh.
[19:39] <shiftplusone> You mean you don't care about yet another messaging app!?
[19:39] <michael33> come on...these aren't really ground breaking features
[19:39] <michael33> Allo is going to be a flop
[19:39] <michael33> just like hangouts
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[19:40] <ColdKeyboard> How do I enter the .sh script at the cronjob to be executed at boot?
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[19:41] <Chunkyz> shiftplusone, correct :D
[19:41] <ColdKeyboard> I have @reboot sleep 5 && bash ./script.sh
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[19:43] <pksato> cronjob usually are used to repetitive task.
[19:43] <pksato> on boot or shutdown, use init.d/systemd scripts.
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[19:45] <ColdKeyboard> how do I add my script to init.d? or local.d ?
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[20:00] <TheSin> ColdKeyboard, just use rc.local, rc.local is called from init.d
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[20:55] <ColdKeyboard> Raspbian detects my LiveCam HD-3000 and can feed video/images but I cannot see any record devices? Is there a fix to this?
[20:55] <ColdKeyboard> When I do arecord --list-devices I get 0 recording devices. Same thing in alsamixer :\
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[20:58] <ColdKeyboard> TheSin: have any idea how to make Rpi see my webcam microphone?
[20:59] * stiv guesses: load USB audio module?
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[20:59] <ColdKeyboard> stiv which audio module would that be? :)
[21:00] <stiv> more guesses: snd-usb-audio or such?
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[21:02] <ColdKeyboard> I tried modprobe snd-usb-audio but still nothing :\
[21:02] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> Again.. Someone here who git a aeon lab z wave stick running with home automation software on a pi?
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[21:03] <TheSin> ColdKeyboard, do a google search for getting that cam to work with linux/debian
[21:04] <TheSin> it's likely not RPi specific at this point, that is just a device that isn't initializing and since I don't have one I won't be much help
[21:06] <Sembiance> I'm a computer programmer and run Linux at home, but have never used a raspberry Pi. I now have a Raspberry Pi 3 that I want to act as a wifi hotspot, run linux, use it's raspberry pi camera and output over HDMI to a little display (won't be using it as a computer, just need to be able to SSH into it and compile things, etc). Which OS do I use? does it just get written to the microSD card and stuck into the pi?
[21:06] <mgottschlag> Sembiance: 1. Raspbian if you don't have any other preferences, 2. yes
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[21:07] <mgottschlag> well, although... there are specific server distributions which might be more suited towards your needs
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[21:08] <mgottschlag> hm, although, if you want HDMI output, you want a GUI, so a regular distribution like Raspbian might be good
[21:08] <Sembiance> mgottschlag: mainly my needs are 1. Act as a wifi hotspot 2. Allow me to compile C code 3. Display simple images onto the display 4. Acess the camera 5. SSH access
[21:08] <Sembiance> not in that order ;)
[21:08] <Sembiance> I actually don't need to use the HDMI/GUI honestly.
[21:09] <Sembiance> I just thought it would be nice, but without it I wouldn't need all the extra stuff running
[21:09] <mgottschlag> well, you want an X server, just for convenience, so that the usual GUI toolkits can be used to display the images :)
[21:09] <Sembiance> so it's really just like a regular ole linux computer
[21:09] <mgottschlag> yes
[21:09] <Sembiance> I could run Gentoo on it if I wanted heh
[21:10] <Sembiance> but not gonna, would tak forever to compile ';)
[21:10] <Sembiance> mgottschlag: so if rasbian is the general purpose distro, with full GUI, is there a popular 'lighter weight' GUI-less distro for it?
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[21:11] <mgottschlag> there is a debian server image, and the Arch image also is much smaller
[21:11] <Sembiance> mgottschlag: looks like this link here will start me on my journey. https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/raspbian/
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[21:12] <oq> Sembiance: raspbian lite doesn't have a gui
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[21:13] <oq> Sembiance: and raspbian is just debian with some adjustments
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[21:20] <ColdKeyboard> Can someone help me how to setup usb microphone from webcam on jessie?
[21:20] <ColdKeyboard> Whatever I do I cannot make it work
[21:20] <ColdKeyboard> and I see USB camera on lsusb, and I can use it, and it's working...
[21:20] <ColdKeyboard> Only thing not working is the microphone on the camera
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[21:21] <curlyears> maybe the microphonoe is faulty
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[21:21] <curlyears> ??
[21:22] <ColdKeyboard> Nope, it works on pc
[21:22] <ColdKeyboard> I don't have snd-usb-audio in the /proc/asound/modules
[21:22] <ColdKeyboard> how do I load it ? :\
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[21:22] <plm> Hi all
[21:22] <Sembiance> mgottschlag, oq: thank you both VERY much. I've decided to just go with Raspbian Jessie Lite!
[21:23] <oq> raspbian is only a thing because the first pi used a stupidly ancient arm soc which regular debian didn't support
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[21:29] <curlyears> had RPF not chose that ARM, the RaspberryPi would probably never have reached its design goal
[21:29] <curlyears> s/chose/chosen/
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[21:30] <curlyears> \i am pretty sure that choice was driven by economics, and almost nothing else?
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[21:43] <oq> curlyears: eh, it was probably chosen because eben upton works for arm and thats what they had a tonne of in a warehouse
[21:43] <ColdKeyboard> Can I manually start snd-usb-audio?
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[21:43] <oq> works for broadcom*
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[21:50] <curlyears> oq: actually, ARN doesn't manufacture sell, or provide actual chips. They license others to build and sell their designs\
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[21:51] <curlyears> \ARM Holdings is a research and intellectual property business
[21:51] <oq> curlyears: yes, I'm aware, just a brainfart, I corrected myself
[21:51] <shiftplusone> well, they manufacture them to verify them, they just don't sell them.
[21:51] <curlyears> s/ARN/ARM/
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[21:52] <curlyears> shiftplusone: The level of production and the quantity produced don't really quaalify as "manufacturing" so much as "test fabrication"
[21:53] <curlyears> oq: yeah.
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[21:54] <curlyears> amazingly enough several of my home patient glucometers have been based on Atmel 8 bit chips, when I would've expected at least a low end ARM
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[21:58] <ColdKeyboard> Instead of using alsa reload snd-usb-audio at boot everytime. Is there a easier way to fix it on jessie?
[21:59] <ColdKeyboard> I just need it to work. Because when I run that line my usb mic is detected and working
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[22:08] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> https://partofthething.com/thoughts/?p=937
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[22:13] <kapiteined> Hi all, if i register an interrupt with a gpio pin, what is the max nr of interrupts i can generate, before the pi become unusable ? 10k interrupts/sec doable?
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[22:14] <designbybeck> how do I see what version something is before I download it via apt?
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[22:14] <designbybeck> isn't there something like: sudo apt cache ?
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[22:16] <bekks> sudo apt-cache ...
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[22:16] <gordonDrogon> kapiteined, using wiringPiISR I was able to get about 66K ints/sec.
[22:16] <curlyears> kapiteined: well, there is a hard limit to the maximum frequency of interrupt input events, but much more relaistically, it depends mostly on how fasat you interrupt service request handler returns to the hibernate and watch mode
[22:16] <designbybeck> thanks bekks
[22:17] <gordonDrogon> kapiteined, that was tested by wiring an output pin to the interrupt input and making it oscillate ... (ie. change state every interrupt to generate a new one)
[22:17] <curlyears> 10K interrupts/secpmd should nor xchallenge the hardware, depending, again, on how you write the interrupt handler
[22:17] <gordonDrogon> you will get a lot better in a kernel module though.
[22:18] <kapiteined> gordonDrogon: That would be sweet, i have to modulate a 56K carrier. I am thinking about generating the carrier with hardware pwm and drive the gpio pin low and high every 15-20 pulses.
[22:18] <curlyears> just remember mto properly condition your interrupt signal
[22:19] <kapiteined> i am not sure if i am up to writing a kernel module... :-)
[22:19] <gordonDrogon> kapiteined, you might want to look at the Pi FM project - that's modulating a 100Mhz signal, but may be adaptible ...
[22:19] <curlyears> wjat is iot you're working on, if you don't mind me asking?
[22:20] <kapiteined> i did already, looked frighting :-) 100Mhz on a pi....
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[22:20] <curlyears> good afternoon, gordonDrogon
[22:20] <Sembiance> woot! got raspbian lite on my raspi 3! wifi working, things are looking good ;)
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[22:21] <curlyears> kapiteined: 100Mhz on a a Pi is only using about 1/10 of the possible bandwith
[22:22] <curlyears> s/with/width/
[22:22] <curlyears> kapiteined: again, what is it you're working on?
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[22:24] <kapiteined> an IR remote control. The IR beam is 56 KHz 30% duty cycle and the "0" and "1" are 15 pulses of light and 15 pulses of dark.
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[22:25] <curlyears> oh, that should present almost no challenge at all to the hardware, kapiteined
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[22:27] <centipeda> curlyears: I was under the impression that that was how it was for most people.
[22:27] <gordonDrogon> Lookup the LIRC project for Linux IR remote control stuff.
[22:27] <gordonDrogon> It's alreadyt done for you.
[22:27] <curlyears> centipeda: so I understand it, yes
[22:27] <gordonDrogon> most are 38Khz though. 56KHz is not one I'm familiar with.
[22:28] <kapiteined> i have it working now with just delayMicroseconds(), but every once in a while an interrupt prolongs a pulse an the IR command fails
[22:28] <pksato> /quit
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[22:28] <kapiteined> 56Khz is a Sony RC
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[22:29] <curlyears> gordonDrogon: yeah, that is a bit of a strnage choice, Makes the transmittera and receivers more expensive to build, since there's zillionos of 38Khz xceivers out there ,and relatively few 56K
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[22:29] <kapiteined> So LIRC runs on a pi ?
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[22:30] <curlyears> kapiteined: it runs under linux, and linux runs on the Pi
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[22:30] <kapiteined> sure, but if the pulses are coming to slow or iregular, they will fail
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[22:31] <curlyears> kapiteined: that's a matter of programminmg
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[22:32] <curlyears> kapiteined: which Pi are you using, One with a quad core processor?
[22:32] <kapiteined> I'll take a look at the LIRC project, to see if they have it on a pi. No, i use a model B.
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[22:32] <kapiteined> Why?
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[22:33] <curlyears> OK. I doubt the LIRC is on a Pi, but the principle is the samd
[22:33] <curlyears> you mgith consider upgrading to a Pi2B+, or a Pi3B+
[22:34] <kapiteined> Would a quad core make things different? ( i could throw a 2B at it )
[22:34] <gordonDrogon> yes, lirc runs on the Pi. It's what all the medial player boxes use so you can use a remote to the Pi. Not sure if it works the other way round though - using the Pi as a remote ...
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[22:34] <gordonDrogon> hm. need yoghurt. quick co-op run. brb.
[22:34] <curlyears> kaP: you could isolate the pulse generation to one core, while using the other 3 for control, instruction encoding/dwcoding, etc.
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[22:36] <curlyears> the beauty of multicore processing: you can literally do 4 things at one time
[22:36] <kapiteined> How does the isolate code work ?
[22:36] <curlyears> at least, so long as they don't directly uinterfere with each other
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[22:37] <curlyears> kapiteined: isolating a core is done by writinig special codes to the scheduler on the processor chip. I don't know the exact codes, or the exact procedure, but it isn't terribly diff3erent.
[22:38] <curlyears> kapiteined: you just select the processor core, advise it, and write the code you need executed, then return the core to the system if you're done with it. No special programmng
[22:39] <curlyears> there certainly is no "isolate" verb in any language I know of for the Pi.
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[22:40] <kapiteined> so the interrupts are handled by the other processors and one is dedicated to pulsing the gpio pin. that code is pi specific i guess?
[22:40] <curlyears> uhyup
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[22:41] <curlyears> what does this IR remote control? Why 56Khz?
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[22:42] <curlyears> nature call, be back in a flash
[22:42] <kapiteined> it is a sony home theater, they come with a 56K RC
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[22:45] <curlyears> I see
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[22:49] <ali1234> curlyears: you can't do that on the Pi. the GPU can preempt all memory access, and does so often
[22:49] <ali1234> 58Khz is slow anyway though
[22:50] <ali1234> if it doesn't work you can just throw an AVR on I2C and have it synthesize the pulses with several more orders of magnitude than you actually need, and for like $2
[22:51] <ali1234> *of accuracy
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[22:53] <kapiteined> ali1234: i runs headless, the controls are done with a webserver.
[22:53] <ali1234> doesn't matter. you still need the GPU
[22:53] <ali1234> it will probably work fine anyway
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[23:02] <kapiteined> thanks for all the pointers, i think about it for a little more. Goodnight!
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[23:10] <curlyears> does anyone have any realworld values for Pi3 current draw or power consumption?
[23:10] <curlyears> I need to figure out how big a battery I'll need to go portable with it
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[23:11] <curlyears> Ultimately, I'll have to build a prototype and measure it for myself in my application, but it would be nice to have a starting lace
[23:11] <ShorTie> all depends on what cha doing
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[23:12] <ShorTie> a car battery will work for a few hours
[23:13] <curlyears> ShorTie: you mean power consumption isn't the same for blinking a single LED as it is doing serious floating point math?
[23:13] <ShorTie> correct
[23:13] <curlyears> lead-acid batteries are way too large and too heavy
[23:14] <ShorTie> how long do you want to be able to run it ??
[23:14] <curlyears> I am talking some ofrm of lithium battery, hopefully one that doesn't weigh niore than two pounds (roughly 1 Kilo)
[23:14] <Strykar> curlyears, http://www.voltaicsystems.com/blog/powering-a-raspberry-pi-from-solar-power/
[23:15] <curlyears> it would be nice to get at least 8-12 hours of use per battery charge
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[23:17] <Strykar> I'd say 800mA on the pi3
[23:18] <ShorTie> since you can't totally drain a bettery, i'd guess 2amps/hour
[23:18] <ShorTie> then you have some extra built in
[23:19] <Strykar> 2-3x extra built in should get you through rainy days
[23:20] <Strykar> I was surprised to find out, where wind exists, windfarms outperforms solar
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[23:20] <ShorTie> like the if
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[23:21] <ShorTie> niether is really of much value
[23:22] <ShorTie> I wonder about all the Global Warming that solar farms do .. :/~
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[23:23] <ShorTie> that heat vortex created by those things in the desert gotta be unreal
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[23:23] <Strykar> curlyears, listen to voltaic's advice. ppl take their panels to highest mountain summits and the poles
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[23:26] <curlyears> solar farms absorb solar energy and thus, in principal, REDUCE Global Warming. They generate neither additional heat (in any significant quantity) nor air pollutants (so-called Greenhouse Gasses)
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[23:27] <ShorTie> bull, ask all the fried birds
[23:27] <Strykar> curlyears, you need to look at what was burnt to create the panels in the first place
[23:27] <ShorTie> or birds killed by windmills
[23:27] <curlyears> Stryka: yeah. Notr using SOlar panels, but much of the advice still applies, such as deisnging in 100-200% daily capacity for your power source
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[23:29] <curlyears> Strykar: true solar panels built using current conventional technology have an alarming hig carbon footprint
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[23:29] <Strykar> if it was me and a solar pi, I'd provision for 300%, it rains here, no snow tho
[23:29] <curlyears> but then so do commercially viable wind turbines
[23:31] <Strykar> at 16% efficiency for the top range of panels, we're some way off from really viable
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[23:32] <curlyears> almost any current solidstate device is going to have a HUGE carbon footprint, between the heat used to melt and purify the raw materials, to the energy used to extract them from nature, and the intense heat nweeded to tailor them into useful circuits.
[23:33] <Strykar> until current battery tech improves by orders of magnitude, its just easier to burn coal over solar
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[23:33] <curlyears> I believe the current world record for solar cell efficienty has topped 34% (not commercially available, but hey)
[23:33] <Strykar> spare me the lab grades, seriously
[23:33] <curlyears> awww.pahtee pooper
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[23:34] <mlelstv> not exactly lab grade, but expensive, you get about 22-25%
[23:35] <Strykar> mlelstv, link?
[23:35] <mlelstv> http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/Worlds-Most-Efficient-Rooftop-Solar-Panel-Revisited
[23:36] <mlelstv> http://www.pveducation.org/pvcdrom/appendices/solar-cell-efficiency-results2
[23:36] <Strykar> by the time solar panel efficiency and battery tech converge, other forms of harvesting solar should get cheaper - http://www.unitedsunsystems.com
[23:37] <curlyears> some researchers have developed a low temperature (~~100C) mean of growing laerge area high quality silicon substrates with swuare areas measured in square YARDS. This will, if successfully commercializedm really drop the pricwe of some semiconductors. The substrate films can ever be grown on plastic sheeting in a roll-to-roll process
[23:37] <mlelstv> the high efficiency panels are mostly used for e.g. satellites where price of the panels is only a small fraction of the cost.
[23:37] <Strykar> because fsck managing battery banks
[23:37] <mlelstv> currently the most efficient way to harvest solar energy is wind mills :)
[23:38] <Strykar> mlelstv, I was gonna say some of those are sat quality panels, my dealer wouldn't know how to unpack them
[23:38] <mlelstv> but solar has the advantage that often wind and sun complement each other
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[23:44] <Strykar> mlelstv, yep, I've visited some solar farms in locations with an annual Direct Normal Irradiance of 7.5 - 8.5 KWh/m2/day and even they are supplemented with wind farms
[23:45] <ShorTie> and most likely desiel when all else fails
[23:46] <Strykar> Always.
[23:46] <ali1234> curlyears: 4x 18650s should give you about 8 hours
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[23:47] <ali1234> that would be about the same size as the Pi
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[23:50] <curlyears> ali1234:, exactly, is an 18650? (other of course, rather obviously, a battery)
[23:50] <ali1234> it's a lithium cell in a metal can. looks like a AA battery but bigger
[23:51] <curlyears> ahhhhh...how safe are they? Do they very often catch fire or explode?
[23:51] <ali1234> they are somewhat safer than the raw cells in that they are inside a metal can :)
[23:51] <curlyears> OK.
[23:51] <ali1234> however they don't have overcurrent or overcharge protection
[23:51] <chithead> li-ion can experience runaway thermal events when punctured
[23:51] <ali1234> you have to supply that yourself
[23:51] <ali1234> in the form of a battery box
[23:51] <curlyears> I'll look into that. 18650, hmm, sounds European or Asian, not Amercian
[23:52] <ali1234> 18650 referse to the size
[23:52] <ali1234> 18mm diameter 650mm long
[23:52] <ali1234> AA batteries = 14500 i think
[23:53] <chithead> 18650 is a very common format, according to wikipedia used in laptop batteries and flashlights
[23:53] <ali1234> lithium batteries aren't as dangerous as everyone says
[23:53] <ali1234> normal batteries can be dangerous too, but nobody worries about them
[23:53] <curlyears> ali1234: I prefer to take an extremely cautious stance on safety.
[23:53] <chithead> lithium batteries can be pretty safe, just li-ion tend to go bust
[23:53] <chithead> lipo is much better in this regard
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[23:54] <ali1234> check this datasheet then. it has safety spec on the last page https://www.powerstream.com/p/INR18650-25R-datasheet.pdf
[23:54] <curlyears> OK, got it
[23:55] <ali1234> also, never ever buy anything that claims to be a "protected" 18650
[23:55] <ali1234> and don't buy anything with "fire" in the name
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[23:55] <ali1234> in both cases they are rebadged junk cells
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[23:56] <ali1234> there are only five companies that make 18650 cells, and they are all very well known brands
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[23:57] <Strykar> ali1234, are the B's the same size? http://goo.gl/Pppkwl
[23:57] <ali1234> they should be yeah
[23:58] <ali1234> no comment on whether those are real or fake tho
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[23:58] <Strykar> thanks
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