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IRC Log for 2016-05-20

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[0:00] <pjm> just having a look in my rpi3 dont think I have anything else plugged in
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[0:01] <pjm> MasterPrenium, brcmfmac,mac80211 so it may be the broadcom bug
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[0:02] <MasterPrenium> Thanks, will check my kernel config en recompile it :)
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[0:05] <MasterPrenium> Found a note which say it's a BCM43143... If it's confirmed, I have a problem with my b43 module
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[0:13] <WrinkledCheese> Is there a way to map the GPIO SPI device as /dev/fb0
[0:13] <WrinkledCheese> using something like /boot/config.txt or /boot/cmdline.txt
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[0:15] <mfa298> WrinkledCheese: I suspect you'd need some sort of driver in the middle. I doubt the SPI device would understand whatever is sent to /dev/fb0 directly.
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[0:16] <mfa298> you'd need to convert the fb0 data into spi commands for that specific device
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[0:18] <WrinkledCheese> mfa298, no I have a driver but on a raspberry pi HDMI is fb0 SPI will only ever be /dev/fb1 on Android there is a driver limitation to fb0.
[0:18] <WrinkledCheese> Rather than messing with the driver - which wouldn't be too hard, but the learning curve is much higher than configuing a /dev/fb mapping
[0:19] <WrinkledCheese> Is there a way to send a kernel parameter to map the SPI to /dev/fb0
[0:19] <WrinkledCheese> I'm googling around but I'm not finding much
[0:21] <exonormal> look in github site
[0:22] <WrinkledCheese> exonormal, for what?
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[0:28] <exonormal> for what you are looking for
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[0:30] <ali1234> rm /dev/fb0; ln -s /dev/fb1 /dev/fb0
[0:31] <ali1234> android will definitely not work on an SPI framebuffer btw
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[0:47] <WrinkledCheese> alil1234 why do you say that?
[0:47] <WrinkledCheese> ali1234, why do you say that
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[0:48] <ali1234> android requires hardware accelerated graphics
[0:50] <WrinkledCheese> I have android running without hardware accelerated graphics
[0:50] <WrinkledCheese> as far as I know
[0:50] <WrinkledCheese> it's choppy and crappy but I don't care.
[0:50] <WrinkledCheese> prototype proof of concept. what RPIs are for
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[0:53] <exonormal> yup, pi's rock...
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[0:54] <Fox682> I've got mine just twidding away as a file server.
[0:55] <exonormal> well, here's mine...
[0:55] <exonormal> Sysinfo for 'raspberrypi': Running against KDE 4.14.2 on Raspbian GNU/Linux 8 (jessie) powered by Linux 4.1.19+, CPU: ARMv6-compatible processor rev 7 (v6l) at 1000 MHz, RAM: 352/434 MB, Storage: 4/6 GB, 93 procs, 2.17h up
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[0:59] <Yukkii> http://www.filebot.net/#download anyone know how to get this working with OSMC?
[0:59] <Fox682> I've got a Pi-B+
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[1:00] <exonormal> well, I have so many it's hard for me to list them all
[1:00] <Fox682> lol nice, you got a Beowulf of them! lol
[1:01] <sockofleas> any fun rpi projects for the dorm?
[1:01] <exonormal> yes, sadly... lol
[1:02] <exonormal> yeah , make a switch box, when you turn on the switch, a hand comes out of box and turns it back off.
[1:04] <Fox682> the most useless device on the planet lol
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[1:05] <exonormal> lol
[1:05] <Magnifikus> rly a pi for a useless machine?
[1:05] <exonormal> but it works... proven to be very annoying...
[1:05] <exonormal> something to do
[1:06] <exonormal> you could make a FM transmitter and spoof ppls radios
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[1:07] <Magnifikus> no forbidden stuff here plz ^^
[1:08] <Fox682> no spoofing, just make an FM xmitter, could play with encoding making your own protocol lol
[1:08] <exonormal> anyways, a good site to look for nice dorm projects is makezine.com.. hundreds of nice stuff in there.
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[1:49] <fattire> does anyone else get certificate errors from https://shoppingcart.aliexpress.com ?
[1:50] <methuzla> yes
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[1:50] <methuzla> SSL_ERROR_BAD_CERT_DOMAIN
[1:50] <fattire> i want to get some raspi stuff.. but this has been going on for days
[1:50] <fattire> pretty sketchy for such a major site
[1:50] <exonormal> which site is that?
[1:51] <fattire> alibaba's "express" site aliexpress.com
[1:51] <exonormal> ahh, ok...
[1:51] <fattire> its for when you want to order ONE breadboard and not 50,000
[1:51] <exonormal> try amazon.com or adafruit.com
[1:51] <exonormal> or element14.com
[1:52] <fattire> I've never used element14.com
[1:52] <methuzla> what os/browser are you using?
[1:52] <fattire> chrome/linux
[1:53] <exonormal> ahh... use firefox.
[1:53] <fattire> I tried it, same cert issue
[1:53] <shauno> looks like misconfiguration on their side. the cert is for akamai
[1:53] <exonormal> ok then something else is up.
[1:53] <iKarith> whelp, pretty much #udev isn't much help :P
[1:55] <iKarith> I asked a question there and never got an answer, and after days of sitting in there, I see no question asked has gotten an answer. So pretty much, no.
[1:55] <iKarith> leaves me rather stuck though. :P
[1:56] <exonormal> what question did you ask?
[1:57] <shauno> that's not unusual. different projects have different cultures. udev strikes me as something that's more likely to live on mailing lists than irc
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[1:57] <fattire> it's very strange that they have this akamai error for like 3-4 days at least since I've looked.. It's a major business taking orders 24/7 how would they not have noticed this
[1:58] <fattire> what's the quesiton iKarith
[1:58] <iKarith> I need to be able to determine if a serial device has multiple ports and name the ports based on whether there's more than one.
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[1:59] <fattire> did you look at the driver?
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[1:59] <fattire> do you mean a specific device or any device?
[1:59] <fattire> do you mean physical ports?
[2:00] <iKarith> fattire: the issue is that serial devices have no such thing as a UUID and we need to be able to tell users (across any RPi) to do certain things and get expected, predictable results.
[2:01] <fattire> iKarith: sorry that's hard for me to understand without understanding your setup... you have pis connected via serial connections and need to communicate between them?
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[2:02] <iKarith> fattire: I can offer you somewhat sort of pythonic pseudocode for what I'm trying to accomplish, will that help? :)
[2:02] <fattire> ummm yeah I can't promise I will have an answer tho.. but sure
[2:03] <fattire> hell http://www.aliexpress.com also uses bad certs
[2:03] <fattire> I don't get it.
[2:03] <fattire> alibaba.com works fine it seems
[2:04] <iKarith> http://pastebin.com/2qLrc3UT
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[2:04] <fattire> holy shit okay let me read this...
[2:04] <iKarith> yeah sorry :)
[2:06] <iKarith> I'm open to changing those rules a little. The CURRENT rules can't handle multi-port serial devices like my keyspan
[2:06] <fattire> What is the use case here... I'm trying to imagine why you have these mix of rules for different devices and different types of connections
[2:07] <fattire> like
[2:07] <fattire> A single port serial device connected directly to the top port next to the
[2:07] <fattire> # Ethernet jack is ttyConsole.
[2:07] <fattire> you're doing something where pepole bring in thier own devices and hook into something..?
[2:07] <fattire> running your client
[2:07] <fattire> ?
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[2:08] <iKarith> Raspple II connects your Apple // to a RPi with up to three serial ports and we're trying to automate this for people who have unknown USB serial devices.
[2:08] <fattire> as an apple //c owner (and Franklin 1000 for that matter) is this for putting your apple II online?
[2:08] <iKarith> One of them is used for a disk image server called ADTPro, and the other is used for a serial console to provide shell internet
[2:09] <fattire> nice
[2:09] <iKarith> one port puts your Apple // online
[2:09] <iKarith> the other gives your //c a serial "hard drive". ;)
[2:09] <fattire> oh that's cool
[2:09] <iKarith> and disk image server.
[2:09] <fattire> I have a few billion floppies I need to back up at some point
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[2:10] <iKarith> Because we do some magic for the serial ports, you never even need a screen and keyboard for your Pi if that's all you want to do with it.
[2:10] <fattire> let me find my copy of ascii express
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[2:10] <fattire> the //c has one serial port tho right?
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[2:11] <iKarith> If you've got a disk with ProTERM on it, or a disk with ADTPro/VSDRIVE, we can do the rest
[2:11] <iKarith> no, printer and modem
[2:11] <fattire> printer is serial not parallel?
[2:11] <fattire> can't remember
[2:11] <iKarith> Yes
[2:11] <fattire> it's been a little while :)
[2:11] <fattire> I miss ProTERM
[2:11] <Yukkii> Anyone know why FileBot got rid of their arm version?
[2:11] <fattire> L&L software right?
[2:11] <fattire> Lance and someone
[2:12] <fattire> they had that special emualtion that let you use appletext and scroll up and stuff
[2:13] <iKarith> fattire: the original version of this code (not remotely systemd compliant) used ttyUSBlower, ttyUSBupper, some other names for hubs, etc... And then it used a convoluted shell script that runs on detection of a USB serial device to try and figure out what it is and what to do with it.
[2:13] <fattire> I see...
[2:13] <iKarith> I said simply: systemd can simplify the hell out of this if we always use the same name for the port that does the console or ADTPro.
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[2:15] <iKarith> But that meant writing rules that create those things. Or perhaps a script that does via PROGRAM=, but I still need to be able to determine when the interface is ATTR{port_number}=="0" and the device in question will also have an ATTR{port_number}=="1" in the next event.
[2:15] <iKarith> I don't have a reliable way to do that.
[2:15] <fattire> this would be a USB -> multiport serial out device like
[2:15] <fattire> like this
[2:15] <fattire> https://www.serialgear.com/4-Port-Serial-USB-USBG-4X2FTDI.html ?
[2:16] <iKarith> correct
[2:16] <iKarith> The one I have is a Keyspan serial device with two mini-DIN8 mac-style serial ports, but the idea is the same.
[2:16] <fattire> do you have one to play with to see how/what it sets up?
[2:17] <fattire> do they all name the interfaces in the same way?
[2:17] <iKarith> no, they come up as ttyUSB<n> and ttyUSB<n+1>
[2:17] <iKarith> But the udev key to tell them appart is ATTR{port_number}
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[2:18] <iKarith> the problem is, all devices have one of those, even if it's zero.
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[2:18] <fattire> hmm
[2:19] <iKarith> at least, all other USB-serial devices I've got handy do--a pair of FTDI, a CP1202, and a cheapo-deluxe counterfeit Prolific.
[2:19] <fattire> wikipedia says proterm was made by Intrec Software.... I thought it was L&L
[2:19] <Yukkii> http://www.filebot.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2904&p=16274#p16274
[2:19] <Yukkii> Under what package is the command "ar -x"?
[2:20] <iKarith> Yukkii: FWIW, apt-file is the tool you want for answering questions like that.
[2:20] <iKarith> Yukkii: ar is part of binutils I suspect.
[2:20] <fattire> iKarith: I wish I were more help, although it sounds like a very cool project that I would totally use
[2:21] <fattire> I need a good way to copy those 5.25" floppies ;)
[2:21] <iKarith> fattire: I think I can make it work without the multi-port, or perhaps there's something I can do with PROGRAM= and /sys ?
[2:21] <fattire> didn't think about using serial port was gonna get one of those drives...
[2:21] <fattire> drive mods
[2:21] <fattire> iKarith: you mean make just one of the ports work?
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[2:25] <Yukkii> hm, ruTorrent is saying the port is closed yet I opened it in iptables
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[2:31] <iKarith> fattire: sorry, runaway apt-file(!)
[2:31] <iKarith> fattire: anyway, currently only the first port would get used.
[2:31] <fattire> no worries
[2:32] <fattire> alibaba.com works but I have to order 4,000 items. Aliexpress.com has cert issues.. so weird.
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[2:38] <Yukkii> 19 4696 ACCEPT tcp -- any any anywhere anywhere tcp dpts:33101:33199
[2:38] <Yukkii> :I
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[3:02] <[Saint]> Auto-Mount Ecryptfs Encrypted $HOME Volume During Shell Sourcing
[3:02] <[Saint]> http://pastebin.com/Cm0vzCFF
[3:02] <[Saint]> bah - sorry guys, whoops.
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[3:10] <exonormal> what's fi?
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[3:10] <exonormal> if backwards?
[3:10] <[Saint]> yes.
[3:10] <exonormal> cool
[3:10] <[Saint]> 'fi' closes an 'if' statement.
[3:10] <exonormal> I like that
[3:11] <methuzla> ich
[3:11] <[Saint]> same as 'esac' closes a 'case' argument, etc.
[3:12] <[Saint]> exonormal: http://tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/sect_07_01.html
[3:12] <[Saint]> Bash Guide for Beginners - Chapter 7. Conditional statements - 7.1. Introduction to if
[3:13] <exonormal> ty, [Saint]... looking...
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[3:13] <methuzla> could be finland, what's the context?
[3:14] <exonormal> yes in Finland, you are finnished.
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[3:16] <[Saint]> exonormal: that little script can be walked through pretty simply, basically:
[3:16] <exonormal> yes, I see that, neat
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[3:17] <[Saint]> if ~/.ecryptfs/auto-mount exists, then check if the 'mount' command says it is an ecryptfs volume, and if it is, mount it and then cd to the user's decrypted ~ and source .bashrc to start the environment
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[3:20] <[Saint]> I run that in my user's encrypted $HOME, so that when I ssh in it starts the process of automatically mounting and decrypting the home volume with the (requested immediately after ssh login) unwrapped passphrase.
[3:21] <[Saint]> having to do so is a side effect of having an encrypted $HOME, and ssh pubkey based login with a passphrase and password login disabled.
[3:22] <[Saint]> pam_ecryptfs would automatically take care of this if I has password based login enabled.
[3:23] <iKarith> is there a particularly useful way to determine the sysfs directory of something from udev rules?
[3:23] <iKarith> fattire: I think I've figured out how to tell if there's multiple ports on a usb-serial device if I can do that.
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[3:31] <wtiger> Hello!
[3:31] <centipeda> Hi.
[3:32] <wtiger> I'm unable to get my pi to boot... i've extracted noobs-lite onto the sd card, but the monitor says no input detected...
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[3:33] <wtiger> i'm using hdmi cable, and sandisk class 4 microsd card ..
[3:33] <methuzla> "extracted noobs-lite onto the sd card"
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[3:34] <methuzla> how was card formatted?
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[3:38] <iKarith> this is ... not easy. *sigh*
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[3:38] <centipeda> :?
[3:38] <ashemark> hey, sorry for the brief network outage..
[3:38] <iKarith> udev and translating that to sysfs in a useful way.
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[3:39] <iKarith> The information I need is in a specific spot in sysfs. I can't seem to get at it using udev, nor figure out how to get something I can pass to an external program from udev that will tell it how to find what I need in sysfs.
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[3:41] <wtiger> hey again!
[3:42] <[Saint]> man there's like ten bajillion ways to test for and if not elevate to uid 0 in bash
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[3:43] <[Saint]> does anyone have a personal favorite if based test and elevate for bash, bonus points if it is sh safe?
[3:43] <wtiger> is there a way I could troubleshoot it, or should I throw it in the trash where it apparently belongs #frustration
[3:43] <[Saint]> iKarith, perhaps?
[3:44] <pksato> wtiger: Yes. have.
[3:44] <pksato> soon after power on, act led blink?
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[3:53] <iKarith> [Saint]: I'm not sure what becoming root has to do with trying to translate udev attributes to sysfs entries?
[3:53] <[Saint]> it doesn't
[3:54] <iKarith> ...?
[3:54] <iKarith> I did just lock up the whole pi trying to find it though, YAY! Off to clean up after half a dozen open files..
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[4:02] <iKarith> If I can somehow get "bus/usb/devices/1-1.5.1/1-1.5.1:1.0" out of ttyUSB0, I can easily determine that the device has more than one port.
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[4:03] <iKarith> "bus/usb/devices/1-1.5.1:1.0" also works.
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[4:09] <curlyears> h0owz my fellows tonight?
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[4:09] <centipeda> Celebrating the early afternoon.
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[4:10] <curlyears> wish m,y SDHC cards would arrive so I could boot my Pi3 )-:
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[4:10] <curlyears> I got a 4GB Noobs card with my Pi2 "starter kit" but I can't find it (those things are so damned small)
[4:11] <curlyears> oops, sowwy about the language
[4:12] <curlyears> centipeda: where are you? Somewahere in Western Europe?
[4:12] <curlyears> I am in Lincoln, Nebraska, USA
[4:12] <Thasan> already left
[4:13] <curlyears> and it's 21:12 here right now
[4:13] <iKarith> curlyears: you're gonna wish you had something larger than 4GB pretty soon
[4:13] <curlyears> iKarith: yeah, I ordered some 64GB cards
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[4:14] <nicolas17> hi
[4:14] <iKarith> I recommend microSD credit card organizers. In bright yellow or that reddish orange that all the kids seem to be buying stuff in.
[4:15] <curlyears> of course, when I moved from California to Nebraska 22 years ago, I was making due with a 100Mhz 80486DX w/4Mb of RAM and 35Mb of hard disks, plus 2 1.2Mb floppy disk drives
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[4:15] <iKarith> 22 years ago ...
[4:15] <curlyears> iKarith: yeah, that seems lie a good idea
[4:15] <nicolas17> does anyone here have one of the new 8MP Pi camera boards?
[4:15] <iKarith> 1994, yeah, I was using an Apple //e :)
[4:16] <curlyears> iKarith: *eek*!!!
[4:16] <iKarith> DUAL floppy drives
[4:16] <iKarith> curlyears: If it helps any I've upgraded by 2016.
[4:16] <curlyears> ah, the bad old days. eh, iKarith?
[4:16] <iKarith> I now use an Apple IIgs and a Commodore 64. ;)
[4:17] <curlyears> *heh*
[4:17] <nicolas17> I want to see a couple of sample photos from the camera board to get an idea of the quality
[4:17] <pksato> LGR - BBC Micro Computer System Review https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge2Y7AIeEVw
[4:17] <iKarith> Okay technically I'm using an Apple IIgs to type into a Raspberry Pi 3 to weechat to a znc across town running on a Raspberry Pi B.
[4:18] <curlyears> I was never fond of the 6502 architecture. The 6500 architecture was developed by an enineering team at Motoral, but the company chose the 6800 architecturer over it, and the design team slpit off and formed their own company to marlet their design
[4:18] <iKarith> pksato: If I had a way to handle PAL video, I'd like a Beeb someday
[4:18] <iKarith> That's sort of right, yes.
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[4:19] <iKarith> The 6500 architecture was developed as a way to reduce complexity and cost of the 6800 architecture.
[4:19] <iKarith> Motorola didn't care.
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[4:20] <curlyears> Motorola developed some kickass architectures, but their understanding of real world marketing of microprocessors was seriously flawed
[4:20] <iKarith> The architectures were so similar that Woz included the necessary bits to build the Apple 1 into a 6800 machine.
[4:21] <iKarith> Nobody ever did it to my knowledge.
[4:21] <iKarith> I do not presently have a CoCo.
[4:21] <curlyears> I* remember talking with some Motorola engineers at a WesCon convention in 1980, and hearing them opine that there was no consumer market to be expected for anything more powerful than 8 bit microprocessors
[4:21] <curlyears> I'd love top talk to those smae gusy today. *heh*
[4:22] <iKarith> As I'm on a shoestring budget, and eBay sellers tend to be out of their farkin' minds, I'm not likely to get one in the near future.
[4:23] <curlyears> I met (and smoked some herb with) Woz on several occasions...Great guy, smart as hell
[4:23] <iKarith> I do talk to some of the people who were in there in the early days. They still play with the stuff they worked on back in the day.
[4:23] <curlyears> iKarith: where are you?
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[4:25] * curlyears gots to gop to bed
[4:25] <curlyears> *snore*
[4:25] <curlyears> s/gop/go/
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[4:33] <iKarith> okay, the information I need is the parent name in KERNELS
[4:33] <iKarith> now how does one actually usefully determine what that is?
[4:34] <iKarith> Apparently the standard documentation for udev is a decade-old page that talks about only the comment case and a manpage that is vague about a lot of things you're expected to just be a kernel hacker and KNOW.
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[4:36] <k\o\w> writing documentation that only someone who developed the same thing from scratch is an OSS right of passage
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[4:42] <iKarith> k\o\w: I have been fighting with this damned thing for WEEKS
[4:42] <iKarith> k\o\w: I'm ready to say screw it, jessie and anything based on systemd is NOT SUPPORTED.
[4:42] <nicolas17> on what hw?
[4:43] <iKarith> nicolas17: I am trying to determine whether a given usb-serial device (given by the user) provides more than one physical port
[4:43] <iKarith> Because if it does, how I need to configure it is different.
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[4:46] <iKarith> at the SUBSYSTEM=tty level, this is not known. In fact it's not known at the SUBSYSTEM=usb-serial level. at the SUBSYSTEM=usb level, IF I can determine ANYTHING that would let me actually look it up in sysfs, I can determine if the thing has multiple devices or not.
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[4:47] <iKarith> That information is right there, in sysfs, and could be read by a PROGRAM if you can tell the thing what device to read
[4:47] <iKarith> but as far as I can tell, you CAN'T.
[4:48] <iKarith> Basically, PROGRAM is undocumented.
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[4:48] <iKarith> KERNELS contains exactly what I need to pass, at the parent level.
[4:49] <iKarith> how do I pass that to a PROGRAM?
[4:49] <iKarith> I don't know, because it's sure as hell not in any manpage. And it's not on the decade old page that is the canonical "how the hell do I use this crap anyway?" page.
[4:50] <iKarith> In fact, that page refers you to the manpage which gives like three lines about the feature saying that you can write a script to name your devices if udev can't do it.
[4:51] <iKarith> I've literally been trying to get Raspple II updated to Jessie for a YEAR now. One year later, it still requires Wheezy.
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[4:52] <haroldp> So I wanna use a `pi to replace my irrigation controller (sprinklers). I guess I need a 5+ channel relay board that can handle 24V DC.
[4:53] <haroldp> Is this reasonable hardware: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00R77PN1A/
[4:53] <haroldp> or?
[4:54] <iKarith> haroldp: You actually need something for 3.3v
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[4:55] <haroldp> the pi uses 3.3v? and that wants 5v? is that right?
[4:55] <iKarith> yes
[4:55] <stiv> one of the comments said it had opto-couplers for the inputs. so works with 3.3
[4:55] <haroldp> thanks.
[4:55] <iKarith> ah, stiv, that helps
[4:55] <nicolas17> any idea how long adafruit would take to ship to miami?
[4:56] <wpo> nicolas17: 3-5 days ime
[4:56] <iKarith> nicolas17: adatfruit usually ships in a couple of days, then it's up to the carrier.
[4:56] <wpo> nicolas17: weirdly enough, digikey usps is fast as hell getting here
[4:57] <haroldp> Where should I look for a 3.3v one? Not seeing anything on amazon.
[4:57] <nicolas17> now wondering if I should buy https://www.adafruit.com/products/3058 or individual components (there may be a few in the kit that I don't need)
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[4:58] <wpo> i'd go for individual components
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[4:59] <wpo> esp since the sd card in that package is only 8 GB
[4:59] <nicolas17> I currently have a pi 1 B so I can't even reuse the GPIO ribbon cable I have :P
[5:01] <nicolas17> oh that comes with a normal "cobbler", ugh, I have one of those (for the 1B with less pins) and it sucks
[5:01] <nicolas17> I want the T-shaped one
[5:01] <GRiZL0C> i'm trying to disable overscan on kali linux normally you edit config.txt in map boot kali has no config.txt is there a work around anyone?
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[5:03] <wpo> nicolas17: the canakit bundle on amazon looks good http://www.amazon.com/CanaKit-Raspberry-Ultimate-Starter-Kit/dp/B01C6Q4GLE/
[5:03] <nicolas17> bleeeh the T-shaped one is out of stock in adafruit
[5:03] <stiv> bummer. nice to power the breadboard rails
[5:03] <nicolas17> wpo: :O
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[5:05] <nicolas17> wpo: heatsink, T-shaped GPIO connector, larger SD card, and $10 cheaper
[5:06] <nicolas17> win
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[5:07] <stiv> i bought a cannakit pi2. was pleased with the stuff.
[5:07] <nicolas17> I have a canakit pi 1 B :)
[5:07] <stiv> no connection to 'em. just saying
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[5:08] <nicolas17> I kinda want the camera and GPS... wonder if Amazon has them and if I can get them into the same shipment >.>
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[5:21] <nicolas17> uh, my amazon cart is now $160
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[5:24] <haroldp> kept mine under $30. very proud of myself.
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[5:25] <nicolas17> lol
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[5:48] <artige> oh to have disposable income for raspberry pi stuff
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[5:48] <Crom> I knocked my ebay cart from over $200 to $0... I just bought it all over 2 weeks which included a payday
[5:48] <artige> on the hunt for a job right now so i can't really justify blowing money on pi gear :(
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[5:49] <Crom> know any trades? plumbing, electrical, concrete?
[5:49] <Crom> I won't do carpentry unless it's on a Refinery job
[5:49] <artige> no, i'm 19
[5:50] <artige> i'm a programmer mainly
[5:50] <artige> the person who was going to help me get an internship at this VR company just got let go
[5:50] <Crom> well shi*e! what were you doing after school? and weekends?
[5:50] <artige> programming
[5:50] <artige> i've done a lot of freelancing
[5:51] <artige> over 300 jobs on freelancer, all of them 5 star ratings
[5:51] <artige> i just don't want to freelance anymore
[5:53] <Crom> at 19 I could wire a house, car, plumb a house or car, concrete forms, finishing... I could also do asm programing on 6502,8080 and Z80. I also worked at a tire shop in high school and also ran a tow truck when the owner wanted some time with his lady
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[5:53] <Crom> heh I also had 2 kids by that time
[5:54] <[Saint]> crud - I forget.
[5:54] <[Saint]> it's .bash_login, .bash_profile, .bashrc, .profile, .inputrc, .bash_logout, ...right?
[5:54] <[Saint]> regarding execution order, I mean.
[5:54] <[Saint]> I guess I could find out with some piped printfs.
[5:54] <Crom> I believe so plus the stuff in /etc
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[5:55] <Crom> welding was oxy/acy and stick...
[5:55] <[Saint]> Hum, yes, some simple tests with printf seem to indicate I wasn't far wrong.
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[5:57] <nicolas17> my dad asked if I wanted something now that he's flying to the US for work, such as a new raspi, but I feel like he won't like the $160 amazon cart number :P
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[5:57] <[Saint]> need to set up my very low level init in the client's encrypted ~ in .bash_login.d (referred to by .bash_login) so that it can do the setup for the crypto container and then cd into the decrypted home and finish off initializing the environment.
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[6:15] <nicolas17> how fast can I take still photos with the 8MP camera module?
[6:16] <nicolas17> full resolution that is
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[6:23] <GRiZL0C> hey everyone i am trying to disable overscan on kali linux normally you sudo nano the config.txt in boot map but in kali linux there is no config.txt in boot map anyone know a way around pls?
[6:23] <nicolas17> that is read by the firmware so it shouldn't depend on the distro
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[7:23] <Evicous> With an RPI3, should I worry about having an HDMI-VGA adapter be powered if being used for extended periods of time? I recently got one that is optionally powered
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[7:25] <Jonno_FTW> hi, how can I know what sd cards will work in a rpi3?
[7:25] <Jonno_FTW> and should this one work? http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/388557/Samsung-EVO-32-GB-SDHC/
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[7:27] <Evicous> Jonno- http://elinux.org/RPi_SD_cards
[7:28] <Evicous> also http://www.jeffgeerling.com/blogs/jeff-geerling/raspberry-pi-microsd-card
[7:28] <Evicous> is worth reading
[7:29] <Jonno_FTW> I got some kingston cards, they work on a rpi2, but not on rpi3
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[7:30] <Evicous> Did you try getting the newest raspbian release and putting that directly on the card instead of running the card with the installation from the pi2?
[7:30] <Jonno_FTW> I installed win 10 iot
[7:31] <Evicous> Then no idea, beyond that the elinux list has about 1/3 listed as having errors w/ the pi
[7:31] <Evicous> 1/3 of kingston that si
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[7:33] <Jonno_FTW> what 32gb should I use in my rpi3?
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[7:35] <Evicous> Any name brand class 10 that is listed as working on the elinux list. Just browse the two links I posted
[7:44] <Zardoz> Jonno_FTW: the samsung evo+ 32Gb is the best you can get. has the best performance.
[7:45] <Jonno_FTW> the problem is that it needs to be purchased from this list: http://www.officedepot.com/catalog/search.do?N=5&Ntt=micro+sd+card&Ntk=all&Ntx=mode+matchpartialmax&Nty=1&cbxRefine=723786&cbxRefine=314901
[7:45] <Jonno_FTW> my work has a contract to use this store as their supplier
[7:47] <Zardoz> Jonno_FTW: here is a really good article about SD cards in pis http://www.jeffgeerling.com/blogs/jeff-geerling/raspberry-pi-microsd-card
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[7:52] <Jonno_FTW> thanks for the help
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[8:13] <GRiZL0C> anyone here know kali linux? i can't find anything useful with google about disabling overscan i have black bars on my screen my resolution is 1824x984 and cant be changed
[8:13] <GRiZL0C> i really am strugglin to find a solution
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[8:14] <pcmerc> well it is linux
[8:15] <pcmerc> xorg config maybe
[8:15] <pcmerc> you have x running?
[8:15] <pcmerc> try xrandr ?
[8:18] <Jusii> I think that's something you need to do in config.txt
[8:18] <pcmerc> cat /etc/gdm3/Init/Default
[8:18] <Jusii> https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/configuration/config-txt.md
[8:18] <Jusii> http://elinux.org/RPiconfig
[8:19] <pcmerc> even better
[8:19] <pcmerc> good links
[8:20] <GRiZL0C> https://forums.kali.org/archive/index.php/t-27056.html <== here is a link that exsplains a bit but i dont get it :S
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[8:21] <pcmerc> looks pretty straight forward
[8:21] <pcmerc> what doesn't work
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[8:26] <GRiZL0C> there is no random flash card number in cd /media root
[8:27] <GRiZL0C> cd/media/root
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[8:27] <GRiZL0C> if i enter ls it doesnt show anything
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[8:29] <GRiZL0C> i'm trying to find the config.txt file to edit which normally is in boot map but in kali linux its empty
[8:29] <GRiZL0C> no config.txt file there
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[8:31] <GRiZL0C> damn i really came across something and i wanna crack it its a simple thing removinf the black bars from my 1080p screen raspbian i remember had the config.txt file in boot directory
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[8:32] <GRiZL0C> kali linux has no config.txt file in boot directory its stored somewhere else
[8:33] <pcmerc> is there a config.txt file just empty?
[8:34] <pcmerc> find / -name config.txt
[8:34] <pcmerc> change / to where ever you want to look
[8:34] <pcmerc> path wise
[8:34] <GRiZL0C> no files at all nothing the directory is empty
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[8:35] <pcmerc> under applications, system tools, preferences, system settings
[8:36] <pcmerc> display
[8:36] <pcmerc> there is only 1 res to choose from?
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[8:39] <pcmerc> you might need to create the file
[8:39] <pcmerc> ~ /boot/config.txt
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[8:40] <pcmerc> https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/configuration/config-txt.md
[8:40] <pcmerc> which was posted earlier
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[9:05] <GRiZL0C> lol
[9:05] <GRiZL0C> pcmerc i did it
[9:07] <GRiZL0C> i copied a config.txt on a usb harddrive from another sd card which has ubuntu mate and copied it on the sd card that has kali linux and first boot it gave a problem 2nd time it booted normally at 1080p screen res and no black bars
[9:07] <GRiZL0C> i hope i didnt mess up anything else
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[10:14] <k_sze[work]> hmm, I just noticed that omxplayer --loop with some videos would restart the video too early.
[10:15] <k_sze[work]> like, it would rewind to the beginning a fraction of a second before the end.
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[10:31] <Chunkyz> hi
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[12:08] <Red_Tide> Hey I was thinking of setting up a Raspberry Pi as a network wide adblocker with pi-hole. Does anyone have any experience doing this?
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[12:14] <Encrypt> Red_Tide, Coooooooool!
[12:14] <Encrypt> I didn't know that
[12:14] <Encrypt> That's what I have been looking for x)
[12:15] <monoxane> lol
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[12:51] <bsdnoob> hello
[12:51] <bsdnoob> guys , How I connect raspberry pi to laptop
[12:51] <bsdnoob> using ethernet cable
[12:51] <bsdnoob> I can't seem to find out pi's ip address
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[12:53] <BurtyB> bsdnoob, "ping raspberrypi.local" might find it if you have Bonjour (via itunes or on it's own) on the laptop
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[13:00] <bsdnoob> BurtyB, ping request could not find host raspberrypi.local. Please check the name and try again.
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[13:04] <Armand> bsdnoob: If you're using a router with DHCP, you could either ask the router via it's management software... or port scan the entire IP range. ;)
[13:04] <bsdnoob> Armand, I don't have router
[13:04] <bsdnoob> :(
[13:05] <Armand> Errkk
[13:06] <bsdnoob> This is my first time booting up pi
[13:06] <bsdnoob> can I set what ip to get?
[13:09] <outofsorts> bsdnoob: I think there is a trick you can use to set the IP address on the fat partition of the SD card.
[13:09] <outofsorts> Sorry, that came out badly. You can set a static IP address by editing a file on the fat partition of the SD card.
[13:09] <pksato> bsdnoob: rpi connectd to other computer?
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[13:11] <pksato> to automatic get a ip need a dhcp server or autodiscovery (.local) service.
[13:11] <bsdnoob> pksato, yea a windows/linux machine
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[13:12] <pksato> open a windows command prompt or a linux root shell, and run arp -a
[13:12] <pksato> and check if rpi is listed.
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[13:14] <pksato> other way, enable internet sharing on windows (need two interfaces).
[13:15] <outofsorts> bsdnoob: If you have no router, and you have no dhcp, then you will have to set a static IP address on the pi yourself.
[13:15] <shauno> you should be able to set an ip in cmdline on the boot partition. add "ip=address::gateway:netmask:netmask:hostname::on" (without the quotes) to the end of /boot/cmdline.txt
[13:15] <shauno> (cmdline should be all one line, so at the end of the same line, not at the end of the file)
[13:15] <outofsorts> Apparently you can just edit the cmdline.txt file on the fat partition of the SD card to add a static IP address to the ethernet port.
[13:15] <shauno> bah, address::gateway:netmask:hostname::on (how'd I get netmask twice?)
[13:15] <bsdnoob> shauno, thanks
[13:16] <outofsorts> shauno: too fast.
[13:16] <bsdnoob> how Do I know it booted up
[13:16] <bsdnoob> ?
[13:16] <bsdnoob> Green light is flashing along with red light
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[13:16] <pksato> bsdnoob: if is a first boot/use, I recommend to connect rpi to monitor/tv.
[13:16] <mfa298> red light should be solid (if it's not you need a better psu) the green led should blink occasionally
[13:17] <bsdnoob> I do not have moniter pksato :(
[13:17] <bsdnoob> mfa298, green light is blinking each second
[13:17] <bsdnoob> it booted up right?
[13:18] <ScrumpyJack> afternoon
[13:18] <shauno> I usually find it with an ipv6 broadcast ping. just hook my laptop straight to the pi so I know there's only two hosts on the ethernet, and ssh to whichever ping reply isn't me
[13:19] <shauno> haven't the faintest idea how to do that on windows, but on osx/linux I use https://gist.github.com/shaunoneil/f84b5c84203a7cc2dbc185a89d70a403
[13:21] <bsdnoob> So , I installed a DHCP server on windows and immediately , Pi leased an ip address :D
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[13:29] <vls-xy> hello, im trying to install a usb display for on my raspberrypi2, the manual mentions installing linux-headers-'uname -r', what is this and how I get these latest linux-headers?
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[13:33] <ScrumpyJack> anyone booted alpine linux on an RPi zero?
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[13:34] <mgottschlag> vls-xy: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[13:34] <mgottschlag> those are *backticks*, not single quotation marks
[13:34] <mgottschlag> and they take the output of uname -r (which is the version you are running) and insert it there
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[13:37] <vls-xy> mgottschlag: thanks for the hint... backticks... but it cant find the package: linux-headers-4.1.13-v7
[13:38] <mgottschlag> from where have you installed the kernel?
[13:41] <vls-xy> um i have not installed the kernel on this particular pi
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[13:41] <vls-xy> I am currently updating the kernel to 4.1.19 as per http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/45010/linux-headers-in-raspbian-jessie
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[13:42] <vls-xy> ...fingers crossed...
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[13:44] <vls-xy> well the kernel update worked, but I aptitude still cant find the headers
[13:45] <atracht> i'm running a raspberry pi as a server, is there a command line tool to be able to output a nice looking status monitor, i have a pitft screen
[13:46] <Habbie> htop?
[13:46] <Habbie> atracht,
[13:47] <pksato> atracht: http://www.tecmint.com/glances-an-advanced-real-time-system-monitoring-tool-for-linux/
[13:47] <pksato> nmon
[13:47] <atracht> perfect thanks!
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[13:48] <pksato> and other on google srarch linux ncurses system monitor
[13:49] <atracht> it's a stack of 7 raspberry pi's running docker swarm
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[14:02] <ramkam2013> hello !
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[14:02] <ramkam2013> i'm hooking a relay breakout to the GPIO
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[14:03] <ramkam2013> wondering about the initial state of the GPIO pins during boot, then before the controlling program / python is triggered
[14:03] <ramkam2013> it's a pi3
[14:03] <ramkam2013> got any hints on this ?
[14:04] <Habbie> they should be inputs on startup
[14:04] <Habbie> which when you treat them as outputs will make them floating
[14:04] <Habbie> so add pull down resistors
[14:04] <ramkam2013> Habbie: should. but seems not
[14:04] <ramkam2013> ah ok
[14:04] <Habbie> seems not?
[14:05] <ramkam2013> now i get it, tried to see what's happening by hooking a led, and it's kinda half lit, plus the current fluctuates, makes buzzing noise in the relay
[14:05] <Habbie> yes
[14:05] <Habbie> floating
[14:05] <ramkam2013> yep
[14:05] <ramkam2013> will put pulldown
[14:05] <ramkam2013> thx !
[14:05] <Habbie> np
[14:06] <ramkam2013> it's a bit weird though, cuz normally the realy breakout has pulldowns, but yeah ok, will try
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[14:07] <ramkam2013> by reading stuff on blogs, some say that the pins are by default in output mode, so that's rubbish ?
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[14:07] <ramkam2013> running raspbian
[14:07] <Habbie> it is possible i misread
[14:07] <Habbie> but i read it in many places
[14:07] <Habbie> and also saw it myself yesterday
[14:07] <ramkam2013> ok, will try
[14:07] <ramkam2013> and, when setting the pin mode to output, all of the pins are in low state by default ?
[14:08] <Habbie> i don't know actually
[14:08] <Habbie> best to be explicit
[14:08] <ramkam2013> ok :-)
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[14:11] <ramkam2013> and by default all gpio pins are pulldown ?
[14:12] <Bilby> you need to define these things explicitly in your code
[14:12] <Bilby> never assume anything is default, because it could change or could have been changed by another program
[14:12] <ramkam2013> yep, i know, but the pi has to boot before the code becomes accessible
[14:13] <Bilby> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=35321
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[14:13] <Bilby> "Just FYI - if you're relying on the pins to be set to a particular state at boot time, then DON'T"
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[14:14] <Bilby> Unforatunely you can't depend on any state at boot. I'd suggest an enable pin to activate the relay board
[14:14] <ramkam2013> got it, k', thx
[14:15] <Bilby> There's a lot of good info if you read through that thread
[14:15] <ramkam2013> and is there a popular adc breakout everyone uses ?
[14:15] <ramkam2013> Bilby: will do !
[14:16] <Bilby> I don't think there's on that's specifically dominanat
[14:16] <Bilby> anything that can output 3.3v
[14:16] <Bilby> aka LVTTL
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[14:17] <ramkam2013> cool !
[14:17] <ramkam2013> thx
[14:17] <Bilby> Though as general IO expansion using an ATMEGA (Arduino) is super popular
[14:17] <Bilby> RasPi and Arduino are a match made in heaven :3
[14:17] <ramkam2013> yeah, and arduino has got more protections on the pins
[14:17] <ramkam2013> so, errors are less expensive
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[14:19] <ramkam2013> and, regarding interrupts, all pins are hardware interrupts ? or software ?
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[14:20] <Bilby> not to be too harsh, but a lot of these questions are pretty easy to find with a basic search
[14:20] <ramkam2013> yeah, will do, as we were discussing, thought i'd ask
[14:20] <ramkam2013> thx
[14:20] <Bilby> https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/gpio/README.md
[14:20] <Bilby> I understand
[14:20] <ramkam2013> thx !
[14:21] <Bilby> but usually someone's well-thought-out blog post or documentation is going to be a better read than my rambling, misspelled realtime text ;)
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[14:26] <ramkam2013> sure, though, it's good to talk too, helps bumping on implicit topics
[14:26] <ramkam2013> thx !
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[14:35] <Myrtti> can I use netselect-apt on raspbian and if so, is it going to use Debian's mirror list?
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[14:47] <shauno> seems to work, but does just pick a debian mirror
[14:52] <Myrtti> so if I'd want to pick from rasbpian mirrors, I'd need an elusive "mirrors_full" format file
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[15:01] <NicoHood> I want to mount my external hdd into my ~/Videos folder but merge them so local and external videos are displayed. Is this somehow possible via mount and --bind?
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[15:04] <Habbie> NicoHood, no, they will always be separate dirs
[15:05] <NicoHood> And how can I get such a result?
[15:05] <ashmew2> NicoHood, well..You could mount them inside videos/local and videos/external and a third directory videos/all which contains soft symlinks to all files inside videos/local and videos/external.
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[15:06] <ashmew2> NicoHood, what is the use case?
[15:06] <NicoHood> I got a local video library and 2 external hdds. it would be better to have them all in one place
[15:07] <NicoHood> but 3 subfolders might be an idea though
[15:07] <ashmew2> NicoHood, yeah , you should be able to write a simple enough bash script called update_dirs that you just put in cron and runs every hour or something.
[15:07] <Habbie> symlinks work, yes
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[15:08] <NicoHood> I want to mount them if they become available automatically. what is the best way to do? they are both encrypted, but i am willing to store the key on the local filesystem, as it is also encrypted
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[15:10] <ashmew2> NicoHood, in that case, the update_dirs shell script and autofs might do the trick
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[15:11] <Chunkyz> how can I find out what's causing my rpi3 to freeze?
[15:11] <NicoHood> dmesg maybe. mostly it is caused by the power supply i noticed
[15:12] <Chunkyz> I have the official psu from thepihut
[15:12] <Chunkyz> :/
[15:12] <NicoHood> and the sd card?
[15:12] <Chunkyz> it freezes and does nothing until I remove the psu and 32gb evo+
[15:12] <NicoHood> hm i got the same sd card
[15:12] <NicoHood> did you install anything?
[15:13] <Chunkyz> of course. :p
[15:13] <NicoHood> that might be the reason
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[15:13] <Chunkyz> how do I find out what the troublesome app is?
[15:14] <Chunkyz> I don't have much installed...
[15:14] <NicoHood> check what you installed last time
[15:14] <NicoHood> history
[15:14] <Chunkyz> eh?
[15:15] <Chunkyz> check what "history" ?
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[15:25] <ashmew2> NicoHood, In case you find a reliable method to handle your hard drive(s) issue, I'll be glad to know about it :)
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[15:30] <NicoHood> i will possibly use 3 folders
[15:31] <NicoHood> I will try to automount them and then bind the hdd to the home folder location
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[15:51] <NicoHood> I just need to find out how to automatically mount them
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[15:53] <mfa298> NicoHood: you could look at autofs for automounting devices on access, I think systemd can also do some automounting on plugging a drive in
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[15:57] <yehnan> Hi, I use Pi 3 and Raspbian(2016-05-10). Installed package xrdp, use Remote Desktop of Windows to connect to rpi. However, there is no taskbar http://imgur.com/58YoV2H why?
[15:57] <yehnan> It's ok if using older Raspbian.
[15:58] <yehnan> Seems that it wanted to create the taskbar, but failed. http://imgur.com/I5y9lLW
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[16:04] <tommy``> guys how can i check fs of a SD card from OSX? fsck seems not working
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[16:15] <NicoHood> I get an error when I try to store an encrypted disk password permanently via gui. I solved the issue with installing a missing dependency. Where can I file this bug for the raspbian distribution?
[16:16] <ashmew2> NicoHood, https://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianBugs
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[16:22] <tommy``> guys any help to remove dirty bit with fsck?
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[16:23] <ashmew2> tommy``, what does fsck say when you try?
[16:23] <tommy``> to remove dirty bit choosing 1)
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[16:23] <tommy``> i choose but not working
[16:23] <tommy``> the fix
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[16:29] <ashmew2> tommy``, I don't have any experience with MAC OSX, but if you can provide something like an error log or screenshot, someone might help you. Running it from a terminal might help to understand the problem.
[16:29] <tommy``> now i'm under linux
[16:30] <tommy``> i put my sd card on a notebook with linux
[16:30] <tommy``> and trying with fsck
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[16:30] <tommy``> ashmew2 which is the fsck command to check fs?
[16:31] <ashmew2> tommy``, fdisk -l might help . Try running it with sudo or as root.
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[16:31] <tommy``> ok it's /dev/sdb2
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[16:32] <tommy``> it's says read only with sudo
[16:33] <ashmew2> tommy``, which command says read only?
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[16:33] <tommy``> sudo fdisk /dev/sdb2
[16:34] <ashmew2> tommy``, alright, can you check if the card has a physical lock on?
[16:34] <ashmew2> some cards have an ON/OFF read/write switch
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[16:34] <tommy``> yeah i noticed now that the big SD adaptor has on lock on
[16:35] <mfa298> fdisk /dev/sdb2 doesn't make much sense, fdisk is for managing the partition table
[16:35] <tommy``> ok i relaunched the command
[16:35] <tommy``> mfa298: i'm using fsck
[16:35] <tommy``> i miss write
[16:36] <ashmew2> mfa298, I assumed he meant he did some operation like creating a new fs with fsck /dev/sdb2
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[16:36] <tommy``> ok now it worked but it's say: attention there are some other errors
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[16:52] <tommy``> now Kernel panic: attempted to kill init!.....
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[17:05] <tommy``> kernel panic not syncing: attempted to kill init! exitcode=0x00007f00
[17:05] <tommy``> dunno now how to do
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[17:12] <stevie86> Hi! When I start this script http://pastebin.com/x1e2Ghy7, I get the error "Syntax error: Unterminated quoted string" - Where is this unterminated string?
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[17:12] <NicoHood> So the hdd is now automounted to /media/pi/hdd. What is the best way to make it accessible from /home/pi/hdd? If i use mount --bind it will give problems when I inject it and I need to manually bind/unbind. Any other suggestions?
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[17:15] <mlelstv> doesn't has no ending '
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[17:18] <stevie86> sorry, folks, i found it! i had to eskape an ' sign
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[17:25] <Habbie> stevie86, did you notice how half of your script is red in pastebin?
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[17:27] <nicolas17> hi, does anyone here have the new camera module with 8MP?
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[17:28] <nicolas17> I want to see an example of a full-resolution photo taken with it, to see the quality
[17:28] <nicolas17> I'm also curious about its power consumption
[17:32] <yehnan> nicolas17, Raspberry Pi Zero 1.3 Power Usage with camera http://raspi.tv/2016/raspberry-pi-zero-1-3-power-usage-with-camera
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[17:35] <Chunkyz> 'elo
[17:36] <nicolas17> yehnan: hmm that's pretty good
[17:36] <Chunkyz> it seems cases for the zero still work with v 1.3...mine fits great...
[17:38] <nicolas17> wow
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[17:38] <nicolas17> rpi3B + camera shooting 1080p video + GPS + the external battery I use for my phone = 5 hours of runtime
[17:38] <nicolas17> that's amazing
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[17:40] <methuzla> what are the battery specs?
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[17:41] <nicolas17> ok, I used the wrong numbers
[17:41] <nicolas17> methuzla: it says 2600mAh, so that's 7 hours
[17:41] <nicolas17> way more than I nee
[17:41] <nicolas17> d
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[17:45] <Chillum> when they say 2600mAh they generally mean the 3.6V inside the charger
[17:45] <Chillum> so your 5V current will be less
[17:46] <Chillum> 72% of that, and less even more due to the power converter inefficiency
[17:46] <mfa298> is that 5 hours based on maths or on actual evidence
[17:46] <nicolas17> mfa298: I don't have the hardware yet so I'm doing math guesstimates
[17:46] <mfa298> As Chillum is suggesting, those numbers don't seem to add up
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[17:47] <mfa298> if it was 2600mAh at 5V I wouldn't want to expect more than about 3hours for a Pi3, and if that's the capacity of the 3.6V battery it's probably even less.
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[17:48] <Chillum> 3.7V I think, not 3.6V... it is early for me
[17:49] <nicolas17> the battery claims it can charge a full iPhone 6 (which seems legit from my usage for that purpose), and the iPhone 6 battery is "3.82 V 6.91 W·h (1,810 mA·h)"
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[17:51] <mfa298> the Wh value is potentialy more useful, 6.91Wh would be about 1 hour of running a Pi at 5V
[17:52] <mfa298> a 2600mAh battery at 3.7V is 9.6Wh
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[17:53] <mfa298> your Pi3 setup could need something like 5Wh (5V @1A), so a 9.6Wh supply would give you just short of 2 hours.
[17:53] <methuzla> i've got an A+ i run off a 2200mAh battery, and i've gotten up to 8 hours run time
[17:53] <mfa298> probably less due to efficency and batteries not working too well as they get flatter.
[17:53] <nicolas17> mfa298: why 1A?
[17:54] <mfa298> nicolas17: because that seems to be around what the Pi3 needs (expecially if you put a camera on it)
[17:54] <nicolas17> mfa298: http://raspi.tv/2016/raspberry-pi-zero-1-3-power-usage-with-camera
[17:55] <mfa298> nicolas17: that appears to be about the Pi Zero (the lowest power draw of all Pi's) and you said about using a Pi3b (with the highest power draw of all Pis)
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[17:55] <nicolas17> no, that has stats for all models
[17:56] <Chillum> I ran a pi zero off of a 10Ah battery and got 33 hours
[17:56] <Chillum> no devices attached though, just the zero
[17:56] <Chillum> with the GPU off
[17:56] <mfa298> those Pi3 values look dodgy, the Pi3 is known to use more power than the Pi2, but the numbers match there
[17:57] <mfa298> That also suggests the B uses more power than the Pi3, yet in my experience the PSU's (5V, 1A) I've got that run the B happily don't work with the Pi3b
[17:58] <nicolas17> well presumably 1080p video encoding uses far more CPU% on the B than on the Pi3 :)
[17:58] <Chillum> the GPU will be more active
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[17:59] <Chillum> I am assuming the 1080p encoding will be done by the GPU
[17:59] <Chillum> it can really suck back the power, I always disable it as much as possible for my embedded uses
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[17:59] <nicolas17> Chillum: afaik the GPU hasn't changed in the different models
[17:59] <Chillum> I believe that is correct
[17:59] <tommy``> guys any help on: "random: nonblocking pool is initialized" during boot?
[18:00] <nicolas17> unless the manufacturing process of the chip changed
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[18:00] <Chillum> I was just pointing out that it will be the GPU, not the CPU doing the encoding
[18:00] <Chillum> (probably)
[18:00] <Chillum> if the faster CPU in the pi 3 is not being stressed and the internal wifi is not being used the does the pi 3 still use more power?
[18:01] <Chillum> and if so why?
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[18:02] <mfa298> nicolas17: http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/43285/raspberry-pi-3-vs-pi-2-power-consumption-and-heat-dissipation a few different sets of results here
[18:03] <mfa298> all of which seem to suggest that the Pi3 needs more power than the Pi2.
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[18:04] <mfa298> raspi.tv seem to be the only people saying that the Pi3 uses the same power as the Pi2 so I suspect their testing might be flawed.
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[18:04] <nicolas17> well "the Raspberry Pi 3 draws about twice the current of its predecessor when under heavy CPU load" is not surprising
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[18:05] <nicolas17> if you compare both at full load, the Pi3 uses 2x the current but does more than 2x the processing
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[18:06] <tommy``> guys anyone could tell me the cmdline.txt inside boot folder pelease?
[18:07] <mfa298> well my experience of the Pi3 is it's not idling all the time and if you're capturing video I doubt it'll be idling then.
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[18:08] <mfa298> even after booting raspbian lite and not doing anything else my Pi3s were occasionally going to full speed briefly.
[18:08] <nicolas17> I guess I will have to try it :p
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[18:10] <nicolas17> but that depends on my credit provider approving my amazon purchase of pi3+camera+gps
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[18:10] <nicolas17> and by credit provider, I mean something like https://i.imgur.com/CUojXoF.jpg
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[18:16] <NucWin> is there a commandline way of testing gpio interrupt? i cant seem to get it working in my java app
[18:17] <methuzla> tommy``, what are you looking for?
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[18:17] <tommy``> a miracle
[18:18] <tommy``> got some errors on boot
[18:18] <methuzla> that's not in cmdline.txt
[18:18] <tommy``> kernel panic not syncing: attempted to kill init! exitcode=0x00007f00
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[18:19] <methuzla> tommy``, what model pi? what os?
[18:19] <tommy``> pi2, raspbian
[18:19] <methuzla> fresh image?
[18:20] <tommy``> i just got disconnectio in my home
[18:20] <tommy``> power fault
[18:20] <tommy``> i make fsck and then this
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[18:29] <Tenkawa> yay for vmx extensions on cpus
[18:30] <Tenkawa> I can run 64 bit linux vms on my baytrail 32 bit windows boxes
[18:30] <Tenkawa> hehehe
[18:30] <jrg> lol
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[18:31] <Tenkawa> 64 bit linux host os runs fine with a efi file change however not windows
[18:31] <Tenkawa> so using the 32 bit windows host and 64 bit linux guests works nicelt
[18:31] <Tenkawa> er nicely
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[18:33] <armin> ohai
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[18:36] <strfry> ohai
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[18:37] <Tenkawa> anyone used/using a dell inspiron 11 3000 by chance?
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[18:52] <NucWin> argh interrupts + java/pi4j is driving me crazy and just wont work
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[18:55] <methuzla> NucWin, does the basic example not work? http://pi4j.com/example/listener.html
[18:57] <NucWin> i had issues with gpio factory saying i was running the command more than once so ive avoided factory
[18:57] <NucWin> https://github.com/Pi4J/pi4j/blob/master/pi4j-example/src/main/java/WiringPiGpioInterruptExample2.java
[18:57] <NucWin> ^^^ have been trying that
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[18:58] <Habbie> Tenkawa, i may have some kind of inspiron lying around, why?
[18:59] <Tenkawa> Habbie: needed opinions on that specific model... from what i'm reading it looks like a really good choice for both windows and linux
[19:00] <Tenkawa> its a tabletop too which i'd like to finally consolidate machines
[19:00] <Habbie> oh like that
[19:00] <Habbie> then i have nothing useful to add :)
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[19:00] <Tenkawa> i have several winbooks acting as individual boxes for the purpose heheheh
[19:01] <Tenkawa> microcenter seems to be slowing the winbook line updates though so i'm looking at switching now
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[19:05] <NucWin> thanks muchly methuzla, that indeed does work (i installed wiringpi package earlier) which i guessed fixed my issue with factory. now to refactor all my code
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[19:23] <pwillard> Winbooks are OK... but they mostly got screwed by Microsoft changing how things work... again.... and again
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[19:24] <Tenkawa> pwillard: in what way?
[19:24] <Tenkawa> they run 10 great for me
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[19:25] <pwillard> Mine is older... and had enough memory for 8.1 bit any kind of upgrade would not fit
[19:25] <Tenkawa> ahh
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[19:26] <Tenkawa> mine are 2 gb ram and 32gb storage
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[19:31] <Chunkyz> hi there.
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[19:49] <coremodule> Chunkyz, Hi Chunkyz
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[20:10] <tommy``> it's good make ext4 on a new sd card?
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[20:41] <nicolas17> does anyone here have the new camera module with 8MP? I want to see an example of a full-resolution photo taken with it, to see the quality
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[20:43] <ToneKnee> When the hell is their going to be a decent supply of RPI zero's? :(
[20:44] <strfry> tommy``: good question, i wondered if there were any better file systems for SD cards
[20:44] <pksato> nicolas17: http://www.larhgo.org/PicShare/8MPvs5MP.png
[20:45] <pksato> nicolas17: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=145815&p=971401&hilit=8mp+sample#p971401
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[20:48] <BilbyLunchDrinki> back from my lunch strippers
[20:48] <BilbyLunchDrinki> whoops! wrong channel >_>
[20:48] <BilbyLunchDrinki> /clearall
[20:48] <BilbyLunchDrinki> *flees*
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[20:53] <nicolas17> pksato: hm interesting thread about the focus issue
[20:54] <nicolas17> I may need infinity focus :(
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[21:00] <nicolas17> otoh
[21:00] <nicolas17> "Full res 8MP can only run at 15fps"
[21:00] <nicolas17> that's great
[21:00] <nicolas17> I need like 1fps at full 8MP
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[21:21] <zleap> hello
[21:21] <zleap> anyone here playing minetest ?
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[21:23] <zleap> hi
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[21:47] <icee> Hi everyone
[21:47] <icee> I'm designing a hat
[21:47] <icee> I've read various documentation that states that there's pullups on the main pi board on the i2c sda/scl pins
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[21:47] <icee> can anyone confirm this is true, and hopefully true for all boards (pi0/pi2/pi3)?
[21:48] <icee> i'd rather not add redundant pullups and get the impedance really low on the i2c
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[21:49] <lopta> OH! Can multiple Raspberry Pi boards coexist on the same I2C bus?
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[21:52] <icee> well, probably, but that's not what i'm saying
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[21:52] <nicolas17> icee: he's probably asking for himself and you just reminded him about it :P
[21:52] <icee> i'm saying i don't want my hat to have pullups if i can be sure the pi has them. i've seen a couple of documents thart kinda imply that but nothing definitive. and the schematic fragments for the later boards don't show the pullups
[21:52] <icee> ah :)
[21:53] <icee> I2C usually does OK multimaster, not all masters are smart enough to really abort txns etc properly
[21:53] <nicolas17> can that be done in software though?
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[21:55] <mfa298> the i2c pullups might be the ones on the chip rather than external ones
[21:55] <lopta> icee: Sorry, my question was not related to yours. You just reminded me that I thought yesterday about connecting them together.
[21:55] <lopta> ...How fast does i2c go?
[21:55] <icee> mfa298: need much lower impedance pullups
[21:55] <icee> lopta: usually 100 or 400KHz
[21:56] <icee> i've seen some mentions of 1.8k pullups on the I2C lines
[21:56] <mfa298> there's some posts on the forum and also a doc linked from the raspberry site about HAT designing, with various bits you need to know
[21:56] <lopta> icee: Thanks
[21:56] <icee> mfa298: yes, i'm using the design guide.. it's really a rather... minimal... specification
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[21:56] <mfa298> icee: I was referring to the "... and the schematic fragments for the later boards don't show the pullups", if it's using the ones on the chip they won't be on the schematic
[21:57] <icee> mfa298: those are 40k impedance. too slow for even 400KHz operation
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[21:58] <mfa298> I think the pullups on board might only be the internal ones, some of which are enabled during boot, so if you need something stronger you'll need to put your own on.
[21:59] <mfa298> although that's only remembering stuff I scanned through a couple of months ago
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[21:59] <icee> OK, i'm multimetering a rpi2 and there are definitely 1.8k pullups to VCC there
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[21:59] <Duality> hi
[21:59] <icee> my question is more like, can i depend on this
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[21:59] <icee> thanks though
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[22:01] <icee> (i believe they're r23 and r24)
[22:02] <icee> eyeballing the pi0, they might be the 2 resistors next to the SD card and gpio conector, but i don't have one
[22:02] <nicolas17> maybe you can convince someone here to multimeter a pi0 for you :)
[22:02] <icee> that would be very kind :)
[22:02] <nicolas17> (I only have a 1 B)
[22:03] <mgottschlag> are there no schematics for the 2?
[22:03] <mgottschlag> (there used to be for the pi 1)
[22:03] <icee> mgottschlag: just of basically like, the IOs and a couple power circuits
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[22:04] <Duality> so i am compiling this piece of code i found online that uses /dev/mem to toggle gpio and i have to run it with root privleges. and i dont want to run it with root privleges. any ideas ?
[22:04] <icee> duality: use the kernel GPIO drivers and set udev privileges appropriately
[22:05] <nicolas17> Duality: the Linux provides pseudo-files in /sys to toggle GPIO, and you can change the permissions of that (dunno how)
[22:05] <mfa298> /dev/mem should generally be root only as that gives you full access to lots of things that can do nasty things
[22:05] <Duality> icee: i see i think the reason why this librarie uses /dev/mem is for speed (not my code) but could that matter ?
[22:05] <icee> it could
[22:05] <Duality> library*
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[22:05] <icee> the thing is, /dev/mem is keys-to-the-kingdom, you can program any device registers or alter memory and make your process root
[22:05] <mfa298> I think newer pi firmwars have had /dev/gpiomem that gives similar access but from userspace
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[22:06] <icee> mfa298: oh, that's nice
[22:06] <Duality> icee: yes that is why i don't want it to run with root privleges!
[22:06] <icee> i need to decide about how to go about my stuff
[22:06] <Duality> yes it has /dev/giomem
[22:06] <icee> i'm maintainer of dRonin, a flight controller stack for aircraft
[22:06] <icee> usually runs on tiny arms
[22:07] <icee> i've figured out that if we peg the actual realtime code (including our rtos) to one CPU i can get decent latencies
[22:07] <icee> on the pi2/pi3
[22:07] <icee> effectively we task switch inside one realtime process and .. leave the other cores for non-rt things
[22:08] <icee> still need an outboard micro for PWM generation and IO expansion, effectively
[22:08] <Duality> i will investigate this /dev/giomem thanks icee and mfa298 !
[22:08] <Crom> I'm really wanting RTAI for stepper control and linuxcnc
[22:09] <mfa298> Duality: you may also need to look at the what the Code does as I think the memory addresses may have changed between the various Pi models.
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[22:10] <mfa298> I've not done any code using /dev/mem for a while though (only did that on a Pi1, I've not tried it on a newer Pi)
[22:10] <Duality> that is handy, i am working on pi1's :)
[22:11] <lopta> Does the A+ have USB OTG?
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[22:12] <yoosi> lopta: The A+ has one single USB type A female connector
[22:12] <yoosi> lopta: You can convert it to USB OTG with an adapter
[22:12] <yoosi> There is no onboard USB hub so you can use it as a USB gadget as far as I know. Exactly like the Zero
[22:13] <lopta> yoosi: Is that difficult to set up? Does it require a special Linux image?
[22:13] <mfa298> I think the A/A+ isn't quite OTG as it doesn't have the ID line, but it gives similar functionality as it's a direct connection to the processor
[22:14] <yoosi> lopta: Last I checked it required a custom compiled kernel. They may have added support since I checked. One sec
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[22:15] <yoosi> lopta: Please give this video a watch: https://youtu.be/x7EmIQKS9MA
[22:16] <lopta> I'll email myself the link and watch it on my phone. I'm on a computer that doesn't do YouTube.
[22:16] <yoosi> lopta: Actually, here: https://gist.github.com/gbaman/975e2db164b3ca2b51ae11e45e8fd40a
[22:17] <yoosi> I believe this is the document Tony uses in the video I linked. This is what came to mind when you asked your question. Just took me a minute to remember how to get to it
[22:17] <yoosi> You can ignore the video
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[22:18] <lopta> Thanks yoosi
[22:18] <lopta> brb
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[22:51] <gordonDrogon> Duality, wiringPi can support the /dev/gpiomem interface if you need it from C/C++
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[22:52] <k0mp0> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek1KlHbIgig
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[23:02] <Duality> gordonDrogon: yes from c++, but the question is it as fast as writing to /dev/mem ?
[23:03] <Habbie> Duality, that's what gpiomem is for as i understand it - giving users the performance of /dev/mem without giving them /dev/mem
[23:03] <Duality> s/is/is is/
[23:03] <Habbie> but gordonDrogon should feel free to correct me ;)
[23:03] <Duality> Habbie: if it is it would be perfect!
[23:03] <Habbie> to be fair i only found out about gpiomem yesterday and only read up on it just now
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[23:06] <gordonDrogon> Duality, hi - yes, /dev/gpiomem is the same speed as /dev/mem
[23:07] <Habbie> thanks for confirming, gordonDrogon
[23:07] <gordonDrogon> it's basically a hacked version of /dev/mem that just lets you map one particular area.
[23:07] <Habbie> it's an awesome idea
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[23:07] <gordonDrogon> yes, but there are some things you can't do with it due to the ranges it maps. PWM for example.
[23:07] <nicolas17> oh so you use the same addresses?
[23:08] <gordonDrogon> you ask for address 0.
[23:08] <nicolas17> ah
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[23:09] <gordonDrogon> RASPBERRY_PI_PERI_BASE = 0 ;
[23:09] <gordonDrogon> GPIO_BASE = RASPBERRY_PI_PERI_BASE + 0x00200000 ;
[23:09] <gordonDrogon> are the relevant lines.
[23:10] <Habbie> gordonDrogon, quick question, is pwm 'in hardware' on the pi? if that question makes sense
[23:11] <nicolas17> I think it might be only in some pins
[23:12] <Habbie> well that's fine
[23:13] <Habbie> years ago we didn't even have interrupts so any news is good news to me ;)
[23:15] <gordonDrogon> Habbie, yes, the pi has hardware PWM generator.
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[23:16] <gordonDrogon> there are 2 hardware PWM channels. they're used by the 3.5mm audio system when not being used by your own code.
[23:16] <Habbie> ah yes, i remember the audio thing
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[23:17] <gordonDrogon> you can only access 1 PWM channel on the 26-pin Pi's.
[23:17] <Habbie> 26 pin is 1 and zero?
[23:17] <gordonDrogon> Pi v1. The zero is a 40-pin Pi.
[23:17] <Habbie> right
[23:17] * Habbie opens pinout.xyz
[23:17] <Habbie> (great site)
[23:18] <Habbie> gordonDrogon, while i have you, there is a thing called 'wiringPi numbering', does it correspond to anything else? if not, why did you do that? ;)
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[23:20] <gordonDrogon> I did it because ...
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> way back before the Pi was even actual hardware there was a published pinnout of the gpio pins. it labeled the usable pins 0 through 7.
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> so, the same as in Arduino land, I made an abstraction of these pins to the actual hardware pine.
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> *pins.
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> I thought everyone else would. turned out I was wrong.
[23:22] <Habbie> hehe
[23:22] <gordonDrogon> however when the foundation moved some pins, my code carried one working as I did the re-mapping transparently to the user code.
[23:22] <Habbie> ah
[23:22] <gordonDrogon> in arduino world, you know that pin 13 is always the status LED for example.
[23:22] <Habbie> except it no longer made any more sense to the user than any of the other mappings
[23:22] <Habbie> ah
[23:22] <Habbie> i've seen the same in other boards by the way, esp8266 also has two-three common mappings
[23:23] <gordonDrogon> you don't want to know/care that it's port B, pin 7 on one version of the arduino and port c, bit 4 on another (for example)
[23:23] <Habbie> agreed
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[23:24] <gordonDrogon> and in my world, I can write: for i = 0 to 7 cycle | digitalWrite (i, 1) | repeat
[23:24] <nicolas17> gordonDrogon: I think there are even differences between different revisions of the Pi 1 B
[23:24] <gordonDrogon> rather than ... oh, work out Pi revision, then it's 17, 18, 22, no 27, etc ...
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[23:24] <nicolas17> I don't even *know* what revision I have, I don't want to deal with that crap
[23:24] <gordonDrogon> nicolas17, the Pi 1 has 2 variants of the 26-pin connector and later ones have the extra P5 connector.
[23:24] <methuzla> read silkscreen
[23:25] <gordonDrogon> gpio -v will give you everything and gpio readall will give you more.
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[23:25] <nicolas17> point is with wiringpi I don't *have* to know :)
[23:25] <Habbie> gordonDrogon, have you considered an interrupt-driven updating version of gpio readall?
[23:26] <gordonDrogon> Habbie, working on a polled version, but watch -n1 gpio readall seems to work...
[23:26] <Habbie> gordonDrogon, it sure does, i do that a lot
[23:26] <nicolas17> that's hardly interrupt-driven :P
[23:26] <Habbie> gordonDrogon, but why polled?
[23:26] <gordonDrogon> lazy.
[23:26] <Habbie> a sentiment i can relate to :)
[23:26] <gordonDrogon> and you might be monitoring pins when another program is also using interrupts, etc.
[23:26] <Habbie> yes, that's a risk
[23:27] <Habbie> but still would be a nice tool
[23:27] <Habbie> next up, pretend to be a binary oscilloscope with ascii graphs ;)
[23:27] <Habbie> is your polled version work on a public git branch?
[23:27] <gordonDrogon> my current code just loops 10x a second. it's using curses to do the screen and my aim is to highlight a pin change for a second or so.
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[23:27] <Habbie> that makes sense
[23:27] <gordonDrogon> I've not released it yet.
[23:27] <Habbie> current readall is just an ascii table drawing to stdout, right?
[23:27] <nicolas17> "watch -d" :D
[23:28] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[23:28] <Habbie> ack
[23:28] <Habbie> well do publicize the polled version when it's done, i might feel like looking at interrupts for it
[23:28] <Habbie> i'd do it this weekend but i have to review a book for o'reilly ;)
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[23:30] <Habbie> gordonDrogon, btw are you saying only one program can get interrupts for a pin?
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[23:30] <gordonDrogon> I've not tested it - really don't know.
[23:30] <Habbie> alright
[23:30] <nicolas17> gordonDrogon: I saw this in some API docs:
[23:30] <nicolas17> "Unlike a Python stat object, the result may not be accessed as a tuple. This is mostly due to the author’s slack factor."
[23:31] <Habbie> the interface (epoll+seek+read) suggests it should be fine with multiple processes
[23:31] <gordonDrogon> :)
[23:31] <Habbie> nicolas17, haha
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[23:40] <Kouki> hello mates
[23:40] <Kouki> i am interested in building an pocket pi linux device without soldering, is it possible?
[23:40] <methuzla> how big is the pocket?
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[23:40] <nicolas17> ^
[23:40] <nicolas17> and what do you want to do with it?
[23:40] <Kouki> actually i have somewhere an smartphone powerbank, bluetooth keyboard (this is not small though), no LCD
[23:41] <nicolas17> I mean, a Pi Zero doesn't *need* soldering... unless you want to use the GPIO :P
[23:41] <Habbie> methuzla, soldering is easy though
[23:41] <lopta> I haven't soldered in years. I wonder whether my iron still works.
[23:41] <Kouki> just for fun... and I can't do soldering, because I don't have gun and I never did it before
[23:41] <methuzla> Habbie, uhhh. ok.
[23:42] <Kouki> I actually have on my Xperia an Linux Deploy + XServer/SSH set, but was interested in something more "Linux" and too "pocket".
[23:42] <mfa298> you can get a basic solderign iron fairly cheaply, then just play around with some old electroncs as practive
[23:42] <Habbie> methuzla, just saying, i held off on it for years but it really surprised me
[23:42] <Kouki> Maybe I will try ;)
[23:43] <methuzla> Habbie, i solder everyday. maybe you're targeting Kouki
[23:43] <Habbie> methuzla, oh oops
[23:43] <Habbie> methuzla, you're right
[23:43] <Habbie> i definitely don't solder every day
[23:43] <nicolas17> :D
[23:43] <Habbie> that reminds me i need to order jumper cables
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[23:44] <methuzla> Kouki, short answer to your original question is: yes
[23:45] <Kouki> yeah
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[23:45] <ramkam2013> hello hello
[23:46] <ramkam2013> trying to use text to speech utils. It works, but not perfectly
[23:46] <Kouki> but i would need small keyboard and the same width as LCD
[23:46] <ramkam2013> the beginning of the audio is truncated, so i only get half of the sentence
[23:46] <ramkam2013> any workaround ?
[23:46] <Kouki> and an case to cut from it an place for keyboard and lcd, and probably small powerbank
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[23:46] <Kouki> anybody tried to do something like that?
[23:47] <Kouki> yeah, sure, but "without soldering"?
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[23:50] <mfa298> Kouki: that's likely to depend on exactly what you're trying to do
[23:50] <methuzla> ramkam2013, which utils?
[23:50] <mfa298> however there are other ways to make up suitable cabling for devices, the most obvious being crimp connections.
[23:50] <ramkam2013> methuzla: pico2wave, festival
[23:51] <mfa298> but that's a different skill to learn and also costs
[23:51] <Habbie> that reminds me of something i've been pondering for a while
[23:52] <Habbie> suppose you have a set of holes, like on the pi zero
[23:52] <Habbie> and you don't want to solder
[23:52] <Habbie> are there connectors you can buy that just 'plug in to those holes' and work?
[23:52] <Habbie> because i can see how the direct edges of those holes might not conduct
[23:54] <Kouki> i got your idea, but i think its not that simple
[23:54] <ramkam2013> any way to pre init the ALSA driver so that the beginning of the audio is not lost ?
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[23:56] <methuzla> Habbie, like this? https://www.sparkfun.com/products/retired/10527
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