#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2016-05-21

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[0:05] <d[-_-]b> http://postimg.org/image/4fek2lao1 rpi laptop is complete :) lol
[0:05] <d[-_-]b> just need to finish the clean up so it looks bit better
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[0:07] <Kouki> pretty much I considered the same project as your d[-_-]b but it's so big
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[0:07] <methuzla> never specified size of pocket
[0:08] <d[-_-]b> its a nice portable device if you mostly use cli . but also has touch screen and a button programmed for rightclick if you need X .. its the size of a 7inch tablet and has a battery pack and 2.5inch hdd on the back
[0:09] <Kouki> comfortable in hand, sized like smartphone 4-6 inches, good if it can be placed in jeans pocket
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[0:11] <d[-_-]b> that would be nice but youll get a small screen, low battery capacity
[0:11] <Kouki> yeah but i have 10.1 inch netbook so i don't need replacment :D
[0:12] <d[-_-]b> cant have to many devices :D
[0:13] <Kouki> i dont buy devices any more, because my room is pretty much an IT nerd room
[0:13] <Kouki> someday i will make here an server place, hehe
[0:14] <Kouki> d[-_-]b priv
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[0:32] <ramkam2013> opencv on raspbian jessie still broken in apt-get ?
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[0:38] <Mriswithe> Heya folks, quick question. Looking to determine if there is an LVDS-> HDMI/VGA board for a specific screen I am looking to use for a project with a raspberry pi. It is from an Acer Iconia 500, and I have it apart, so I can see the model info on the back. Where do I go from here?
[0:39] <Mriswithe> er acer iconia a500
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[1:13] <PurpleAlien> Mriswithe, something like this: http://www.chalk-elec.com/?page_id=1280#!/HDMI-to-LVDS-converter/p/14647633/category=3094859 might do, but be warned, your mileage may vary. You probably want to know the exact screen specs before buying anything.
[1:14] <PurpleAlien> Most likely won't be plug and play.
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[1:21] <Mriswithe> PurpleAlien: Awesome, I will check it out that is a place to start
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[1:29] <Mriswithe> PurpleAlien, So it looks like I can get a 7" Raspberry Pi display for $60 instead of probably the same amount getting some other crap to work and a lot of time.... think I am going to buy the screen lol.
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[3:14] <biberao> yo
[3:17] <SyncYourDogmas> hey
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[3:20] <Berg> high
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[3:28] <yehnan> hi
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[3:44] * [gnubie] waves
[3:45] <jrg> finally got my bananapi up and running
[3:46] <jrg> it's like night and day compared to the rpi1 lol
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[4:00] <[gnubie]> Please bear with my very newbie question. I am starting to play with my Raspberry Pi 3 Model B with HAB-GPSPI-NAN GPS module from HAB-GPSPI-NAN GPS module. However, I am not sure which is best to implement as an NTP server: PPS/ATOM or Standalone GPS.
[4:00] <[gnubie]> What are the advantages and disadvantages of PPS/ATOM vs Standalone in using HAB-GPSPI-NAN GPS module on top of the Raspberry Pi 3 Model B?
[4:00] <[gnubie]> What will happen to the NTP server if the Internet goes offline but still have LAN connection while in PPS/ATOM?
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[4:05] <[gnubie]> https://goo.gl/jP5cj1
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[4:07] <Berg> I dont have a valid microsoft account i cant have IoT
[4:08] <[gnubie]> anyone?
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[4:08] <Berg> pretty [gnubie]
[4:09] <Berg> dont know much about gps
[4:09] <Berg> I think it would be fun to have a standalone gps in car
[4:10] <[gnubie]> Berg: me neither. however, i just want to have a near accurate timing in my lan so that all my devices will just ntp sync from there.
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[4:10] <nicolas17> I don't understand why internet access matters?
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[4:12] <Berg> timing
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[4:12] <Berg> its very important for gps
[4:12] <Berg> least i know that
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[4:12] <Berg> get your pi to connect to maccas free wifi every time you stop for a burger
[4:13] <Berg> :)
[4:13] <Berg> dosnt gps make it posible to set time too from sat signal?
[4:13] <Berg> i see you have a battery mount in that module to hold timer
[4:14] <[gnubie]> it is but i’m not sure of its disadvantages over pps/atom
[4:16] <Berg> well only way to find out is to experiment
[4:16] <[Saint]> gps is, technically speaking, ever so slightly less accurate and needs to be adjusted for drift more often by my understanding.
[4:17] <[Saint]> but, we're talking tiny fractions of seconds.
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[4:17] <nicolas17> adjusted for drift?
[4:17] <[Saint]> they are very high, we're not, time goes slightly slower for them.
[4:18] <nicolas17> yes but that's someone else's problem
[4:18] <Berg> do they have usb gps?
[4:18] <nicolas17> if it needs to be adjusted for drift, the US Air Force does it on the satellites, for me as a user I can rely on the time being accurate enough :P
[4:19] <nicolas17> or whoever it is that controls it now
[4:19] <Berg> pinky and the brain want control
[4:19] <[Saint]> you can build a synced atomic clock for under a hundred bucks these days.
[4:19] <[gnubie]> usb gps is not reliable as far as i understand when used in raspberry pi. besides, i want to extend its antenna near the window or outside the building
[4:19] <Berg> i think it should be ok stand alone as long as you set the time occasionaly
[4:19] <[Saint]> you can get a real atomic timing source for about $200~$300 second hand if you're lucking.
[4:20] <[Saint]> *lucky
[4:20] <Berg> i want to usp gps to pluyg into my dog as soon as i finds his usb port someoine said it was at the back?
[4:21] <nicolas17> Berg: do not use that port :P
[4:21] <[Saint]> Unless you're in a few select US states.
[4:22] <Berg> why?
[4:23] <[gnubie]> currently, my rpi3 comes with a gps module from https://goo.gl/jP5cj1 and the pi poe module for power over ethernet + a 10m gps antenna
[4:23] <giddles> gps
[4:23] <giddles> you ppl talk about the shit i think about
[4:23] <giddles> :D
[4:23] <giddles> fake gps
[4:24] <giddles> howto fake a "location"
[4:24] <giddles> :D
[4:24] <Berg> well Im not sure about you but i would realy like a gps system in my ncar
[4:24] <Berg> but cost too much atm
[4:25] <giddles> hmm, i wanna troll with a fake position the search engine
[4:25] <giddles> :)
[4:25] <nicolas17> really? I thought standalone GPS devices went down in price
[4:25] <nicolas17> because demand went down now that everyone has a smartphone
[4:25] <Berg> im poor im a pensioner
[4:25] <giddles> what you drive bergh
[4:25] <Berg> i just bought a pi3 and thats my limit for this year
[4:25] <nicolas17> ah
[4:25] <nicolas17> you have more time than money then
[4:26] <Berg> mazda tribute
[4:26] <nicolas17> sounds like raspberry pi is a great hobby for you
[4:26] <Berg> it is
[4:26] <Berg> i have a few projects going my6 gran son has a pi as his desktop
[4:26] <Berg> he bought it for himself with pocket money
[4:26] <Strykar> shame he can't TF2 on it
[4:26] <Berg> its good standards to keep up
[4:28] <giddles> 10m is gps?
[4:29] <[gnubie]> giddles: 10m wire of the antenna
[4:29] <giddles> i need an l band
[4:29] <giddles> :D
[4:30] <[gnubie]> so that i can extend it to the nearest window or perhaps outside the building but the rpi3 will still be inside the server room
[4:30] <[gnubie]> which will be powered over ethernet
[4:30] <The_Borg> so you pi3 will never move?
[4:30] <nicolas17> I don't think that's a good idea
[4:31] <[gnubie]> The_Borg: nope.
[4:31] <nicolas17> the antenna cable or the GPS module could still receive signals, slightly delayed
[4:31] <nicolas17> and make a mess with precision
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[4:32] <Berg> why need gps if you know ehere it is?
[4:32] <Strykar> accurate time?
[4:32] <[gnubie]> nearly accurate time
[4:33] <[gnubie]> i can’t say very accurate but at least will not go beyond 1 second is fine with me
[4:33] <giddles> fake gps data
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[4:33] <giddles> :D
[4:33] <giddles> that would be awesome
[4:33] <giddles> gps simulator
[4:33] <giddles> :D
[4:33] <nicolas17> giddles: you want to fake location? there's something even more fun
[4:33] <[gnubie]> then this ntp server will then serve time on my lan
[4:33] <giddles> not for illegal action
[4:34] <giddles> just run a few tests, and troll ads
[4:34] <[gnubie]> but then, i am not sure which one to choose: pps/atom or standalone gps
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[4:34] <Berg> if i get a watch dog with gps they can keep time?
[4:34] <giddles> and this l band i need for noaa satelite pictures
[4:34] <giddles> :)
[4:34] <nicolas17> giddles: GPS satellites transmit information about all other satellites, such as which ones are active and in what orbit etc
[4:34] <giddles> weathere stuff
[4:35] <nicolas17> giddles: if you make a transmitter that pretends being a GPS satellite, and says there is a satellite at the center of the earth, apparently some consumer GPS navigation devices will divide by zero and crash
[4:35] <Strykar> [gnubie], the lack of accuracy is the RPi's fault not the GPS
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[4:35] <giddles> i tought of software solution
[4:35] <giddles> but ok
[4:35] <giddles> go on
[4:35] <giddles> :)
[4:35] <giddles> gps for car and rpi
[4:35] <giddles> why not
[4:35] <giddles> :)
[4:36] <[gnubie]> Strykar: i understand the limitation of the rpi3. but again, as long as it will not go beyond 1 second, that’s fine with me.
[4:36] <giddles> fire an odroid if you want power
[4:36] <giddles> :)
[4:37] <giddles> xu4 has 8 symbols poppin up @ boot
[4:37] <giddles> :D
[4:37] <[gnubie]> going back my original concern: pps/atom vs standalone gps, which one to choose? any pros and cons?
[4:37] <Strykar> it will defo give you better than 1 sec precision, but the allen deviation will be affected by sunlight, a fan pointed at the RPi and possibly alignment of the stars. it works amazingly well for soho lan ntp
[4:37] <giddles> i see problems in the underscaled ram etc, i knew its for edu and schools... why not a "nerd" version of it
[4:38] <giddles> with 2gb ram, emmc... maybe a sd switch ;D
[4:38] <giddles> usb 3.0..
[4:38] <nicolas17> giddles: as you said, get an odroid if you want that :P
[4:38] <giddles> i got one
[4:38] <giddles> :)
[4:38] <giddles> only one... 94eur per peace
[4:39] <giddles> thats my limit for this year ;)
[4:40] <[gnubie]> currently, i am running in pps for almost a day. however, i am concerned on the offset it shows..
[4:40] <[gnubie]> # ntpq -p
[4:40] <[gnubie]> remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter
[4:40] <[gnubie]> ==============================================================================
[4:40] <[gnubie]> xPPS(0) .PPS. 0 l 9 16 377 0.000 22.693 0.189
[4:40] <[gnubie]> x188.166.215.214 52.25.149.148 3 u 14 64 377 3.260 -25.282 0.305
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[4:48] <ball> I think I need more Raspberry Pi B+ boards.
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[4:50] <ball> ...or 2B, those would do too.
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[4:51] * Zardoz has returned.
[4:52] <ball> Zardoz: In a giant floaty stone head?
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[4:54] <Zardoz> ball: http://imgur.com/vcrKZh6
[4:56] <ball> Zardoz: I /knew/ it!
[4:56] <ball> ;-)
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[4:58] <Strykar> [gnubie], looking good, the offset is the time difference from the server
[5:00] <Zardoz> Strykar: NTP server?
[5:01] <mlelstv> hmm
[5:01] <mlelstv> good?
[5:01] <[gnubie]> Strykar: but comparing it to the upstream, my ntp comes with around 47 seconds offset which i don’t think is good
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[5:02] <[gnubie]> and the x before each line is a bad thing which tells me something that they are being ignored..
[5:02] <Berg> interesting convo
[5:02] <Zardoz> ])NTP)o>
[5:03] <Zardoz> I had to bail on my NTP server, the GPS sig was bad here. and was not stable.
[5:04] <Zardoz> but it was fun to work on...
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[5:05] <mlelstv> that's why you usually use multiple ntp servers
[5:05] <Zardoz> yup
[5:05] <Strykar> [gnubie], I take that back, didn't notice. yes, its being discarded
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[5:06] <Strykar> read the pps delay as 0.080 for some reason
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[5:12] <mlelstv> gnubie, you could add another ntp server to the configuration
[5:12] <[gnubie]> you mean from the upstream?
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[5:13] <mlelstv> whatever 'upstream' is.
[5:13] <[gnubie]> i will try to test another configuration first. this time, hopefully i can combine pps + gps
[5:13] <mlelstv> there is pool.ntp.org with lots of servers to chose from
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[5:14] <mlelstv> pps + gps?
[5:14] <mlelstv> isn't the pps source a gps receiver?
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[5:15] <[gnubie]> not all gps receiver is pps capable
[5:16] <mlelstv> what are you using as pps source then?
[5:17] * [Saint] decides he needs to make his heat pump tracking even smarter.
[5:17] <[gnubie]> gps
[5:17] <[Saint]> I figure it would be neat if it could not only track where I am after the fact, but try and predict where I /will/ be in N seconds.
[5:17] <mlelstv> btw, the offset is milliseconds.
[5:17] <[gnubie]> but then, based on the above output, i am not running in standalone mode using gps
[5:18] <mlelstv> no, currently you do not run synchronized at all
[5:18] <mlelstv> both sources are considered bad
[5:18] <[gnubie]> mlelstv: yes
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[5:18] <mlelstv> probably because the ntpd runs with default configuration
[5:18] <mlelstv> then it wants at least 2 time sources that agree
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[5:20] <mlelstv> so, can you add more ntp servers from the internet?
[5:20] <mlelstv> this should give a sync there and we can see how good your gps source is
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[5:21] <Valduare> what do you guys think of the new pi zero
[5:21] <[Saint]> old pi zero with CSI.
[5:22] <[Saint]> only really relevant if you had a burning desire to add a pi-cam to a pi zero.
[5:22] <[Saint]> now...you can.
[5:22] <[Saint]> IFF you can purchase one.
[5:22] <Evicous> Will anything powered connected to USB on a pi backpower if not designed not to?
[5:23] <[gnubie]> mlelstv: i will try that..
[5:23] <[Saint]> And the winner of today's "Most Awkward Sentence Award" goes to....
[5:23] <[Saint]> Evicous!
[5:23] <Strykar> [gnubie], add servers physically close to you
[5:23] <Evicous> Haha I realized that after I sent it
[5:23] <Zardoz> lol
[5:24] <mlelstv> strykar, "physically close" isn't that important.
[5:25] <Strykar> mlelstv, stands to reason he'd get better latency
[5:25] <mlelstv> I use Germany, Finnland and Canada :)
[5:25] <mlelstv> remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter
[5:25] <mlelstv> ==============================================================================
[5:25] <mlelstv> +ns1.eunet.fi 192.36.144.23 2 u 749 1024 377 44.066 1.611 2.655
[5:25] <mlelstv> *ptbtime3.ptb.de .PTB. 1 u 547 1024 377 19.885 1.486 2.173
[5:25] <mlelstv> +132.246.168.148 132.246.11.233 2 u 977 1024 377 100.624 3.705 1.728
[5:25] <[Saint]> latency isn't really important either.
[5:25] <[Saint]> consistency is.
[5:26] <ball> That's why there's a jitter column, right?
[5:26] <Strykar> what is consistency with a NTP server? availability?
[5:26] <mlelstv> yes
[5:26] <pcmerc> lol
[5:26] <pcmerc> run your own internally & sync to some outside sources
[5:27] <mlelstv> well, that _is_ the internal ntp server that syncs to outside sources :)
[5:27] <Strykar> must be hard living if you can't find local NTP servers that stay up
[5:27] <Zardoz> not the server but the source
[5:27] <Zardoz> IE GPS
[5:27] <Zardoz> and other time servers
[5:27] <pcmerc> all devices > internal > external
[5:27] <Zardoz> ig not stable its no good.
[5:28] <[Saint]> the other thing that irks me is people thinking it matters deeply if they set a local timeserver in their gps.conf instead of using a pool.
[5:28] <Zardoz> my gps was not stable at all and I had to bail...
[5:28] <[Saint]> "but I get a toes f4st3r lock, am l337"
[5:28] <pcmerc> sounds like being a dependent
[5:28] <pcmerc> lol
[5:29] <Evicous> But a pi connected to a CHIP connected to a battery is a bad idea because it would backpower right? Or does the pi only accept power via USB if it isn't getting adequate power from micro usb?
[5:30] <[Saint]> any USB $WHATEVER that backpowers is _broken_.
[5:30] <[Saint]> period.
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[5:32] <Evicous> That makes sense.
[5:32] <[Saint]> usually reserved almost exclusively to the real of 'far too cheap to be true' non-passive USB devices and hubs.
[5:32] <[Saint]> *realm
[5:33] <Zardoz> [Saint]: I was going to say if it backpowers trash the cheap crap.
[5:33] <[Saint]> $4 passive hubs from alibaba et al.
[5:34] <[Saint]> or $5 non-passive hubs. basically...cheap hubs.
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[5:35] <Evicous> Gotcha.
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[5:35] <[Saint]> USB devices not only shouldn't backpower themselves, they should prevent anything else from trying to do so in the chain below it.
[5:35] <niston> those $4 hubs simply have all the VUSB and the GNDs of all ports wired together
[5:36] <[Saint]> right. scary scary crap.
[5:36] <niston> heh
[5:36] <Zardoz> for real
[5:36] <Berg> I have external power to my relays the pi dont see it
[5:36] <[Saint]> not even sure if you could technically call them a "hub" in that sense.
[5:36] <[Saint]> they're a "dumb splitter" really.
[5:37] <[Saint]> they do zero management.
[5:37] <niston> as for power, yes
[5:37] <niston> there's literally nothing
[5:37] <niston> just wires (traces)
[5:37] <Evicous> Is not backpowering part of USB spec, or just good design philosophy?
[5:37] <Zardoz> and simple io
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[5:38] <Evicous> oop
[5:38] <[Saint]> it is part of the spec, but the USB spec is a bit of a joke and more a 'good operating practices' thing it seems.
[5:38] <Zardoz> I think it's not good for anything to backpower (feed back ) power at all
[5:38] <[Saint]> not without enumerating power requirements first.
[5:39] <Berg> what about a powered usb hub?
[5:39] <Zardoz> just dont cross the streams
[5:39] <Evicous> Thanks for the info everyone haha
[5:39] <Evicous> I appreciate it
[5:39] <Berg> this is ghost busters?
[5:39] <niston> there is no zuul.
[5:39] <[Saint]> Berg: they shouldn't send power back up the line. Only downstream.
[5:39] <Zardoz> only diana
[5:39] <Berg> mmmmMMMmmm diana
[5:39] <niston> only spoon :P
[5:40] <Zardoz> no spoon
[5:40] <Zardoz> only zool
[5:40] <niston> haha yeah
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[5:40] <Berg> ok what smells like wet dog in here?
[5:40] <Zardoz> lol
[5:40] <Zardoz> BBQ dog
[5:41] <Zardoz> oh sorry
[5:41] <Berg> dont worry i often eat deep fried dog on a stick
[5:41] <Berg> yum
[5:41] * [Saint] smells of warm, wet cat presently
[5:41] <Zardoz> mmmm is it zuul or zool
[5:41] <Zardoz> looking up
[5:42] <niston> zuul
[5:42] <[Saint]> It is absolutely pissing down here, and one of the cats decided she simply must go outside and get saturated, and then fight off my attempts to dry her off, then curl up on my knee to get warm.
[5:42] <Berg> im gona call my next dog zuul
[5:42] <[Saint]> Now there's a soggy cat fur aroma in the air.
[5:42] <[Saint]> Delicious.
[5:43] <Berg> i reboot my pi it connects to lan and then when i disconnect and try to reconnect it fails
[5:43] <Zardoz> ok ZUUL
[5:43] <Berg> pi3
[5:43] <niston> yeha. pi3!
[5:43] <Berg> why is this so
[5:43] <[Saint]> you're not trying to use the old naming scheme, perhaps?
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[5:44] <[Saint]> eth0 vs epn0s0 or whatever it is now?
[5:44] <niston> goser.the.destroyer
[5:44] <Berg> gozo
[5:44] <[Saint]> niston: you're in AU, yeah, or am I confusing you with someone else?
[5:44] <niston> not in au. never been.
[5:45] <niston> even if exo keeps saying so :P
[5:45] <Berg> au
[5:45] <Berg> im in au
[5:45] <Berg> au get away from my apploe tree
[5:45] <Berg> apple
[5:45] <niston> i wanna go to hobart some day though, if that counts something
[5:45] <[Saint]> you must be getting this abomination of terrible weather as well then.
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[5:45] <Berg> nar thats not part of the real world
[5:46] <Berg> hobart is a fantacy land of sheep shearers and free beer
[5:46] <niston> hobart a conspiracy theory?
[5:46] <[Saint]> I've been looking at BOM radar for /far/ too long this morning.
[5:46] <[Saint]> The 40 latitudes are reaaaaaal messy right now.
[5:46] <Berg> the yowee lives there
[5:48] <[Saint]> lol - these things?
[5:48] <[Saint]> https://imgur.com/bhH1fJC
[5:49] <Xark> Sheep?
[5:49] * Xark is too busy shaving yaks...
[5:49] <Strykar> pics or gtfo
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[5:51] * Xark links https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/yak_shaving
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[5:54] <Strykar> damn, I wasn't aware of that etymology, thanks. and I've seen yaks being groomed
[5:55] <Xark> My pleasure (but sorry, no good wildlife grooming pics). :)
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[5:57] <Strykar> hehe I'll bet, my last viewing was voer 18'000 ft above MSL
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[6:05] <[Saint]> Geeeeez. Miaow miaow miaow... Cat needs to tell me the epics of her crusades every time she comes back inside.
[6:05] <[Saint]> I have no idea how to tell her I don't know what she's saying, so I just smile and nod politely.
[6:06] <Xark> [Saint]: You need to get her a Twitter account. :)
[6:07] <[Saint]> Hahahaha. :)
[6:10] <[Saint]> It would just be 160 characters worth of 'miaow', and the occasional 'mmmmrow?', and a bunch of cat emojis.
[6:10] <[Saint]> At 4~6h intervals when she wakes up and decides to get off her chair.
[6:11] <Xark> Right. In other words, one of the more content rich Twitter feeds. :)
[6:11] <[Saint]> and the occasional expletive laden rant about how vicious and cruel I am for forcing her to eat "the yucky old cat biscuits" left over from breakfast instead of new ones.
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[6:13] <Xark> Hehe, cruel indeed. :)
[6:16] <Crom> [Saint], I get the stink eye when the kitties can see the bottom of their dish
[6:16] <[Saint]> Lucky you! I get it at around ~50% capacity.
[6:16] <[Saint]> "those are *old* biscuits...I didn't eat those for a reason!"
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[6:17] <Crom> thinking about making a photo vinyl sticker to put in the bottom of the dish a picture of their food
[6:17] <Xark> Crom: Hehe, make something like an infinity mirror (with a perma-biscut layer). :)
[6:18] <Crom> hehe
[6:18] <Crom> the dog is happier we switched her from a 24hour feeding schedule to a 36 hour schedule
[6:20] <Crom> day 1 7am, day 2 7p, day 3 nothing, day 4 7am, ....
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[6:21] <[Saint]> Our kitties get a communal bowl of cat biscuits (about a cup) at breakfast that they ban browse over during the day, maybe if they have been particularly ravenous they'll get a little bit more around 1730, then they get a 1/4 cup of meat, and a 1/4 cup of dry foos each in their own bowls at about 2000
[6:22] <[Saint]> They're eating more at the moment because of the upcoming Winter and the early cold weather.
[6:23] <[Saint]> In the Spring and Summer they eat a lot less. Because they sustain their daily browsing with the absurd amount of baby birds and rodents and various bugs'n'stuff during the day.
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[6:24] <[Saint]> In the late Autumn and Winter they just eat and sleep, hole up on the couch, or in the bedroom on the bed.
[6:25] <mlelstv> only when you don't look
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[6:50] <iKarith> why do SDL things have this obnoxious habit on RPi of crashing upon exit? Really irritating.
[6:50] * iKarith installs ridiculous numbers of -dbg things to see if he can sort this out.
[6:51] <iKarith> Seems that if you disable sound in everything I've found that has the problem, the problems vanish.
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[6:52] <binaryhermit> [Saint]: southern hemisphere, eh?
[6:52] <binaryhermit> NTTAWWT
[6:52] <[Saint]> Mmmhm.
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[6:55] <iKarith> definitely a bug related to SDL sound.
[6:56] <binaryhermit> [Saint]: /me assumes .au, though you're connected to a server that's apparently in .fr
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[6:57] <[Saint]> .nz, and, that's the entire point of a rotator.
[6:57] <[Saint]> something something load distribution rotator.
[6:58] * binaryhermit guesses that a plurality of the southern hemisphere's irc-dwelling population is .au-ese
[6:58] <binaryhermit> though it's just a gut feeling
[6:59] <iKarith> is minecraft-pi supposed to have sound?
[6:59] <binaryhermit> wow, there's more south africans than I thought
[6:59] <binaryhermit> like 54 million of them
[6:59] <iKarith> I have ... never used minecraft like ever :)
[6:59] <binaryhermit> according to bing
[7:00] * binaryhermit assumes that minecraft-pi is supposed to have sound
[7:00] <binaryhermit> but when you assume you (CENSORED)
[7:00] <iKarith> well, it doesn't and it has no options either
[7:00] <Zardoz> binaryhermit: lmao
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[7:00] <iKarith> but it also doesn't crash on exit and I understand it to use SDL
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[7:04] <binaryhermit> apparently it doesn't have sound
[7:04] <iKarith> Then it's not going to help me much. Every program I run that uses SDL for sound locks up
[7:04] <iKarith> must be kill -9'd
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[7:05] <iKarith> Using ALSA directly usually works fine
[7:05] <iKarith> timidity plays fine, for example
[7:06] <iKarith> I thought PulseAudio might be a factor, but no it seems to be SDL specifically.
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[7:06] <iKarith> I should try something using SDL2
[7:09] <iKarith> so little in jessie uses SDL2 though..
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[7:10] <AI6K> Anyone install Chef client in RPi3/Jessie? I'm trying to find some tuts now.
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[7:11] <iKarith> mpv (SDL2) can play wav and ogg files.
[7:12] <iKarith> I don't know if it's using SDL audio though.
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[7:13] <iKarith> SDL2 audio does _not_ work on RPi.
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[7:35] <[Saint]> AI6K: I found one for you
[7:35] <[Saint]> https://imgur.com/tB2wDBM
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[8:06] <AI6K> Oh come on, a RickRoll would be more appropriate, don't you think? <grin>
[8:06] <AI6K> Ahh, got it, because I said tuts, hahaha, just got it.
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[8:07] <Ispira> raspberry pi users love python right?
[8:07] <stiv> how could they not?
[8:08] <Ispira> WEll
[8:08] <Ispira> I fixed python. http://i.imgur.com/ztVjcRC.png
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[8:19] <[Saint]> Ispira: ...you went back in time to 1991 and murdered van Rossum?
[8:19] <Ispira> :D
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[8:19] <Ispira> All fun aside, it is a joke of course. I love python 2.7
[8:20] <Ispira> :( I lied, that was a joke too.
[8:20] <Ispira> iar python 3 is really nice and I've been loving using it for my discord bot
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[8:28] <[Saint]> A 'discord bot'?
[8:28] <[Saint]> It slaps you with a leather riding glove, and then challenges you to a duel? Perhaps a snifter of brandy later if not mortally wounded.
[8:28] <Ispira> http://discordapp.com/
[8:28] <[Saint]> "Sir, I declare! I demand satisfaction!"
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[9:24] <jrg> hm. that kind of sucks. i can't boot the banana pi if a blank sd is inserted
[9:24] <jrg> even if i am booting from the emmc
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[10:57] <tylnesh> Hello!
[10:57] <tylnesh> Anybody knows why my RPi 2 doesn't remember it's touchscreen calibration? I have to calibrate this fiddly piece of junk every time I reboot RPi.
[10:57] <tylnesh> 10:52 < tylnesh> It's this one http://www.sainsmart.com/7-inch-tft-lcd-monitor-for-raspberry-pi-touch-screen-driver-board-hdmi-vga-2av.html
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[12:31] <oq> yay my pi zero 1.3 case from pimori arrived
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[12:32] <oq> someone needs to hurry up and design a decent 1.3 case because god damn this thing is ugly
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[12:36] <Scratchpaws> are most pi zero cases just sheets of acrylic with some screws?
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[12:37] <oq> Scratchpaws: most
[12:37] <oq> there's one or two which add in a sheet of wood
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[12:39] <oq> you see a lot of those because it's super easy for someone to cut acrylic with a laser locally
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[12:40] <atracht> Hi, should a 10 port 2.5A Anker USB charger be fine for 7 Pi
[12:40] <Scratchpaws> *nods* ive designed/made cases like that before
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[12:40] <Scratchpaws> could try to make one for a zero, but dont have a reference sadly, wish they were easier to get
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[12:41] <oq> Scratchpaws: in theory they should be easier to get now because the foundation says they'll make a couple thousand a day until demand goes away
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[12:42] <Scratchpaws> oq: lets hope so :D
[12:43] <oq> atracht: probably not
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[12:43] <oq> atracht: 2500 mah / 7 is only ~350
[12:44] <atracht> it's 2.5 per
[12:44] <Scratchpaws> 2.5A per pi will do nicely
[12:44] <oq> I mean mA not mah
[12:44] <Scratchpaws> 350 ma is cutting it, but might be possible
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[12:46] <Habbie> atracht, the 60W model?
[12:46] <atracht> Habbie yes
[12:46] <Habbie> so 1.7A per pi
[12:46] <Habbie> that's not terrible
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[12:47] <Scratchpaws> I made this Pi + touchscreen case a while back: http://imgur.com/a/R86cR
[12:47] <Habbie> cool, Scratchpaws
[12:47] <Scratchpaws> ty :D
[12:48] <atracht> Habbie ah, i didn't realize it only had 12 overall, so is overclocking not an option
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[12:48] <atracht> i'm running a distributed server so maybe not necessar
[12:48] <Habbie> Scratchpaws, you have a rainbow square in the corner during bootup
[12:48] <Scratchpaws> I have noticed, and it bugs me
[12:49] <Habbie> have you measured your power?
[12:49] <Scratchpaws> I think thats a power supply thing, but I was hoping 2A ought to be enough
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[12:49] <Habbie> it's about volts, not amps
[12:49] <Habbie> although they can interact a bit
[12:49] <Scratchpaws> ah, I think ive tried both 5v and 5.2v adapters, both had the issue
[12:49] <Habbie> maybe the cable sucks
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[12:49] <Habbie> i bet you have a multimeter?
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[12:49] <oq> Scratchpaws: wow, is it hard to take apart incase you want the micro sd?
[12:49] <Scratchpaws> they were new adapters I think, one came recommended for the Pi
[12:50] <Scratchpaws> I do have a multimeter
[12:50] <Habbie> wonder why the square goes away eventually
[12:50] <atracht> anyone have experience with getting the pitft running under arch linux
[12:50] <Scratchpaws> oq: there are four screws on the back that keep the layers together, if I remove two layers the SD is accessible
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[12:51] <oq> Scratchpaws: make add this for v2? :P http://i01.i.aliimg.com/img/pb/084/215/395/395215084_547.JPG
[12:51] <Habbie> nice
[12:52] <Scratchpaws> oq: that looks freaky, I want one!
[12:52] <Scratchpaws> didnt even know that existed
[12:52] <Habbie> i imagined this existing a long time ago
[12:52] <Habbie> never actually ran into one ;)
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[12:53] <oq> I googled for micro sd extension
[12:53] <Scratchpaws> nice! for now tho, there is no need to replace the SD often, but Ill keep it in mind for future versions, thanks1 :)
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[12:56] <Scratchpaws> as for the power issue, there is an Arduino with RF transmitter connected to the 5V GPIO pin but I doubt it draws that much current
[12:56] <Scratchpaws> I think I had the problem before I attached it, could be the combination of Pi and touchscreen
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[12:58] <Habbie> if you're feeding both from GPIO that might push it over the edge
[12:58] <Habbie> maybe you can split the power before it goes into the pi
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[13:00] <Scratchpaws> hmm could give that a try some time
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[13:02] <Habbie> i'm not sure the 5V pin is before or after the small fuse though
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[13:08] <CoJaBo> Habbie: after
[13:09] <Habbie> alright
[13:09] <Habbie> then splitting might make sense
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[13:13] <niston> Scratchpaws: Pi2, touchscreen + bladeRF: http://imgur.com/3wsCoAi
[13:14] <NicoHood> my pi is 85 degree hot, is this too much?
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[13:14] <Scratchpaws> niston: dang that looks nice
[13:14] <NicoHood> I get a constant power supply icon on the top right
[13:14] <niston> yeah, came out pretty cool
[13:14] <NicoHood> (i am converting videos with it, rpi3)
[13:15] <niston> two of our students built it, niston just wrote the software :) the thing needs a new power solution though.
[13:16] <ThePendulum> niston: celsius? that is rather hefty
[13:16] <niston> celsius?
[13:16] <ThePendulum> eh
[13:16] <ThePendulum> NicoHood: *
[13:16] <niston> ah :P
[13:16] <ThePendulum> but feel free to improvise an answer :P
[13:17] <ThePendulum> god dammit my Pi is offline and I don't want to restart it
[13:17] <ThePendulum> I got my dev environment all set up
[13:17] <niston> ThePendulum: but isnt that a "no problem" situation ?
[13:17] <ThePendulum> it is, I could just grab a physical network cable and plug it into the switch
[13:17] <niston> its offline and you don't want to restart it -> not a problem.
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[13:18] <niston> its offline and you want to restart it -> problem.
[13:18] <ThePendulum> hah
[13:18] <ThePendulum> I mean I want to get into my Pi, but it is offline, and to get it online the only thing I can do is restart it, which I don't want to do :P
[13:19] <NicoHood> I will try to get the heatsinks in place now
[13:19] <ThePendulum> I might get a heatsink for my pi as well, don't think it's getting too hot though
[13:19] <ThePendulum> what do you run to check?
[13:21] <NicoHood> I convert a video with handbrake
[13:21] <NicoHood> cat /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp
[13:21] <mfa298> you can get temp and arm speed out from vcgencmd
[13:22] <mfa298> although i usually jus look at my zabbix graphs
[13:22] * ThePendulum plugs in network cable
[13:22] <ThePendulum> "No route to host"
[13:22] <ThePendulum> fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
[13:22] <NicoHood> what is this? vcgencmd
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[13:23] <ThePendulum> guess a reboot is inevitable
[13:23] <ThePendulum> urf, kinda want to know what happened
[13:23] <mfa298> 'vcgencmd measure_temp' (from memory) gets you the temperature
[13:24] <niston> no route to host ?
[13:24] <niston> is it on the same network segment ?
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[13:26] <ThePendulum> well it ought to be
[13:26] <ThePendulum> there's but a single router
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[13:26] <ThePendulum> hmm let me restart the AP
[13:26] <niston> the error might also happen if its on a different IP subnet, but you don't have an IP for it loaded
[13:27] <ThePendulum> that shouldn't happen
[13:27] <niston> (with multiple IPs in different subnets, on a single adapter)
[13:27] <ThePendulum> they're all on the same dhcp server allocating them to 192.168.178.x
[13:27] <niston> weird
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[13:28] <ThePendulum> all APs online, I don't remember which it's connecting to, I'll restart both
[13:28] <ThePendulum> see if that forces a reconnent
[13:28] <niston> hmm
[13:28] <niston> the APs are in bridge mode?
[13:28] <ThePendulum> that said, it didn't connect to the wired network either
[13:28] <niston> or routing mode?
[13:29] <Habbie> ThePendulum, can you please mind the language a bit? thank you
[13:29] <ThePendulum> huh?
[13:29] <niston> family channel etc
[13:29] <Habbie> 'fuuuu' and 'dammit'
[13:29] <Habbie> children are welcome in this channel
[13:29] <ThePendulum> oh, right, 'murica
[13:29] <ThePendulum> np
[13:29] <niston> I personally dont mind, but its channel policy
[13:29] <Habbie> murica?
[13:30] <ThePendulum> got to censor half the dictionary
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[13:32] <ThePendulum> well if it was a networking problem I would guess plugging in a physical cable should've resolved it, time for a reboot
[13:32] <niston> ya
[13:32] <ThePendulum> just a bummer it'll also wipe information about what happened
[13:35] <Habbie> you can't connect hdmi/usb to check?
[13:35] <ThePendulum> I don't have an hdmi monitor
[13:35] <Habbie> composite? serial? :>
[13:35] <Habbie> my hdmi exploded last week, now i use my pi on a 7" cheap tft via composite
[13:36] <Habbie> it barely manages 80x25
[13:36] <ThePendulum> DVI/VGA only
[13:36] <ThePendulum> I could grab an adapter I guess
[13:36] <Habbie> dvi is hdmi with a $3 converter
[13:41] <NicoHood> with heatsink i get 81 celsius and continuos power supply errors
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[13:45] <Roonix> I saw a video of a guy using a huge pc heatsink on his pi, apparantly it worked really well, with a normal heatsink (which i assume your using) his hottest temps were 80.6 Celsius, but with the pc heatsink they were 49 Celsius :D
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[13:48] <mfa298> NicoHood: are they power supply errors (rainbow square and/or power led going off) or temperature warnings (yellow/Red Square)
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[13:49] <mfa298> at 80C the Pi3 will start throttling so it shouldn't go much above that (I think mine was hitting 82C)
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[13:49] <mfa298> although now I've also got a fan on it (as well as heatsink) it's sitting around 50C with high CPU load
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[13:54] <NicoHood> it is this rainbow square
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[13:54] <NicoHood> but its just yellow as it repeats very fast
[13:55] <niston> need moar powr
[13:55] <NicoHood> i know
[13:55] <NicoHood> I got 1,2A psu
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[13:55] <niston> not enuff
[13:55] <NicoHood> thats not enough
[13:55] <NicoHood> official psus are sold out here
[13:55] <niston> moooooar!
[13:55] <NicoHood> http://uk.farnell.com/raspberry-pi-psu/rpi-psu-uk-mk1/power-supply-raspberry-5v-1a-uk/dp/2254792
[13:55] <niston> NicoHood: you can use a 5V SMPS. Meanwell RS15 highly recommended.
[13:55] <NicoHood> all sold out
[13:56] <niston> this http://eu.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Mean-Well/RS-15-5/?qs=hPu8TEI4q5cBcSse2JHxJA%3D%3D
[13:56] <mfa298> NicoHood: you probably don't want that one anyway, it's the original 1A one
[13:58] <mfa298> NicoHood: try http://cpc.farnell.com/stontronics/t6090dv/psu-raspberry-pi-5v-2-5a-uk-euro/dp/SC1402609
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[13:59] <Chunkyz> 'elo
[13:59] <NicoHood> Oh there is a 2,5A official. that was the wrong link
[14:00] <mfa298> cpc have 168 of the 2.5A psu in stock and no doubt RS have them as well
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[14:00] <mfa298> there should also be choices of Black or White
[14:01] <mfa298> RS have 16219 in stock apparently (for the white ones) https://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/plug-in-power-supply/9098126
[14:01] <NicoHood> this is the one i meant: https://thepihut.com/collections/raspberry-pi-power-supplies/products/official-raspberry-pi-universal-power-supply
[14:02] <NicoHood> this one is also very cool: https://thepihut.com/products/zero4u-4-port-usb-hub-for-raspberry-pi-zero?variant=18768521796
[14:03] <mfa298> NicoHood: I just gave you CPC and RS links for (i think) the same psu. (5.1V 2.5A)
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[14:18] <NicoHood> any recommended fan externsion boards?
[14:20] <bekks> NicoHood: For extending what?
[14:20] <NicoHood> for a fan. cooling
[14:21] <NicoHood> th heatsink is not enough
[14:23] <bekks> Use a bigger heatsink then. :)
[14:23] <NicoHood> its already big
[14:23] <bekks> My heatsink is more than enough.
[14:23] <NicoHood> http://www.amazon.de/Aukru-K%C3%BChlk%C3%B6rper-verschiedenen-Raspberry-Aufkleben/dp/B00ILK6DMA/ref=pd_bxgy_147_img_2/275-9289265-6930358?ie=UTF8&refRID=0WK2TCEPSH63PPZFN6MF
[14:24] <NicoHood> this is also an idea: https://www.datenreise.de/raspberry-pi-richtig-kuehlen-aktiv-passiv/
[14:24] <mfa298> there's a few cases designed to take a fan
[14:24] <BurtyB> those small fans seem quite expensive :( (or the ones I found are)
[14:25] <NicoHood> 15€ is quite a lot yes
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[14:39] <NicoHood> bekks how much Celsius do you get on heavy load? I get 80 with heatsink
[14:39] <NicoHood> even 82 now
[14:41] <bekks> Probably 60.
[14:41] <NicoHood> but how?
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[14:42] <NicoHood> maybe you did not put enough load on it
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[14:42] <lonefish> can you put multiple networks (with different SSID's) in wpa_supplicant.conf?
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[14:46] <Habbie> lonefish, yes - see the very first example in man wpa_supplicant.conf
[14:47] <lonefish> thanks, suspected as much, but wanted to be sure
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[15:10] <[gnubie]> strange that until now i am still not getting any data in my /dev/ttyAMA0
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[15:24] <ThePendulum> what do I run again to get a temp reading?
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[15:25] <Chunkyz> ask mfa298
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[15:26] <ThePendulum> 13:23 < mfa298> 'vcgencmd measure_temp' (from memory) gets you the temperature │4 #node.js
[15:26] <ThePendulum> missed that last bit
[15:26] <ThePendulum> 46.2'C
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[15:26] <Chunkyz> temp=52.1'C
[15:26] <ThePendulum> I should check when running my LEDs
[15:27] <Chunkyz> mine is pretty much always the same :/
[15:27] <Chunkyz> unless I'm downloading, then it overheats XD
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[15:29] <sockofleas> do any of u guys know of a good channel for web design?
[15:29] <Chunkyz> nope, sorry.
[15:30] <ThePendulum> sockofleas: #web
[15:30] <ThePendulum> #web, #design, #reddit-webdesign
[15:30] <sockofleas> ThePendulum: thanks!
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[16:11] <hypermist> so i installed raspbian on my pi3 but now i dunno waht to do
[16:11] <hypermist> xD
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[16:11] <UukGoblin> hello
[16:12] <UukGoblin> trying to get raspbian jessie, rtorrent says "Tracker: [Object operator [peers] could not find element]"
[16:12] <UukGoblin> and doesn't download anything
[16:16] <yehnan> UukGoblin, strange. Should not be it. Did you download from https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/raspbian/ ?
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[16:17] <UukGoblin> yehnan, yup, the Raspbian Jessie one just from there
[16:18] <UukGoblin> I've just installed rtorrent too, so there might be something broken about it as well
[16:18] <mfa298> why not just download the zip file with the image in ?
[16:18] <UukGoblin> mfa298, doing that now, but that's only going at about 1MB/s
[16:19] <UukGoblin> and doesn't allow me to seed it back ;-)
[16:20] <yehnan> UukGoblin, I never have issues with the torrent file from official website.
[16:21] <UukGoblin> is it possible that there simply are no seeders?
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[16:29] <nsh> ttps://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/4k25rg/ive_created_a_100_solar_powered_rpi_web_server/
[16:29] <nsh> https://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/4k25rg/ive_created_a_100_solar_powered_rpi_web_server/
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[16:39] <Chunkyz> UukGoblin, use deluge or similar. rtorrent is crap.
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[16:41] <oq> Chunkyz: crap?
[16:41] <Chunkyz> yes
[16:41] <pwillard>
[16:41] <oq> I thought rtorrent was one of the better ones, especially for a low spec device
[16:41] <Chunkyz> deluge >
[16:42] <Chunkyz> rtorrent is only good on seedboxes
[16:42] <oq> what about transmissions?
[16:42] <Chunkyz> never used it, never needed to.
[16:42] <Habbie> transmission is very convenient
[16:42] <Habbie> and pretty efficient
[16:43] <oq> Chunkyz: why would it be only good for seedboxes? What is exactly different is different between a pi and a seedbox?
[16:43] <Chunkyz> high speeds.
[16:43] <oq> s/different is different/is different
[16:43] <oq> Chunkyz: So you're saying you want low speeds?
[16:43] <Chunkyz> oq, no
[16:43] <oq> then seedboxes are slow..?
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[16:44] <Chunkyz> no
[16:44] <Chunkyz> lol dude, nevermind.
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[16:44] <oq> Chunkyz: I'm just trying to understand
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[16:45] <Chunkyz> good, I'm not. /out
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[16:45] <oq> That was weird
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[17:03] <Neko`> hi
[17:04] <Neko`> someone is using berryboot ?
[17:04] <Neko`> i want to change my init, but i need to pass init=/path/init, how can i do that ?
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[17:07] <biberao> Neko`: have you tried android?
[17:08] <Neko`> biberao: no, why ?
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[17:09] <biberao> i wanted to run it
[17:09] <biberao> it doesnt boo
[17:10] <sir_galahad_ad> i wanted better things for my lfie
[17:10] <sir_galahad_ad> life even
[17:10] <biberao> i meant
[17:10] <biberao> i kinda need it for a friend
[17:11] <biberao> or his rpi will be useless
[17:11] <biberao> he followed another guy's idea
[17:11] <biberao> theguy said it could run android
[17:11] <Neko`> android build for rpi don't have accel
[17:11] <Neko`> so it's useless
[17:12] <biberao> ya i think the same
[17:12] <biberao> the other option would be having flash and silverlight there
[17:12] <hypermist> try remixOS biberao ?
[17:12] <biberao> or buy a real android device
[17:12] <biberao> what does it do better hypermist ?
[17:12] <hypermist> its basically android
[17:12] <hypermist> haha
[17:12] <biberao> really?
[17:12] <biberao> does it run on rpi2?
[17:13] <UukGoblin> nsh, nice! the raw battery data .txt files, what's their format? I see 3 lines full of numbers, what are they?
[17:13] <hypermist> dont know really biberao xD
[17:13] <nsh> not my post, sorry
[17:14] <biberao> hypermist: you've never tried remixOS?
[17:14] <hypermist> it looks like its only for x86
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[17:15] <hypermist> just google around biberao
[17:16] <biberao> im doing it
[17:17] <biberao> if only flash and silverlight worked
[17:17] <biberao> :D
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[17:21] <biberao> i wonder if i install remix os on my pc
[17:21] <biberao> it will work
[17:21] <biberao> to have the apps
[17:21] <iKarith> eep, trying to find a RPi B+ or A+ that doesn't cost significantly more than a Pi 3 B is ... silly.
[17:22] <iKarith> RPi B (not B+) xbmc kit $255! Uhhhh, how 'bout no?
[17:22] <biberao> iKarith:
[17:22] <biberao> what does it bring?
[17:22] <biberao> for 255 bucks
[17:22] <iKarith> It's the usual < $100 XBMC kit
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[17:22] <iKarith> case, mini keyboard, power supply, SD card preloaded, etc.
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[17:23] <iKarith> In other words, the same kit you can get with a Pi 3 for about $100
[17:23] <biberao> nuts
[17:24] <biberao> it could bring a blowupdoll
[17:25] <iKarith> why? If you pay $255 for that, you're the one getting screwed ;)
[17:25] <biberao> why
[17:25] <biberao> if the blowupdoll brings a self pump
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[17:26] <iKarith> ... I think we have exhausted the useful limits of this line of discussion.
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[17:26] <biberao> iKarith: agreed
[17:26] <biberao> it was a joke
[17:26] <biberao> i could have said a boat
[17:26] <biberao> included
[17:26] <biberao> in my country
[17:26] <biberao> with all due respect
[17:26] <biberao> when something is expensive we usually say is a girl inclued?
[17:26] <iKarith> I've got a friend who has one of those PDP emulators and he's got a Pi B, and one Pi 3.
[17:26] <biberao> *included
[17:27] <iKarith> he's using his Pi 3 for the PDP emulator because he's got nothing else to run it.
[17:28] <iKarith> I figured I'd see if I could grab him an A+ or B+ maybe for about $25 maybe shipped or something.
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[17:28] <iKarith> Let him use the Pi that's got some horsepower for something that would benefit from it.
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[17:28] <iKarith> Apparently if one wants to do that, the best way would be to send him one of my Pi 2s
[17:30] <biberao> i can send yo one pi 2
[17:30] <biberao> and one pi1
[17:30] <iKarith> I've got a pair of Pi 2s sitting here
[17:30] <biberao> ok
[17:30] <iKarith> I'll send him one of those
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[17:31] <iKarith> I figured a multi-core CPU was just kinda wasted on the PDP emulator, as sweet as it is
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[17:32] <mohsen_1> What distro is suggested for having the best web browsing experience on pi 2?
[17:32] <iKarith> https://hackaday.io/project/4434-pidp-8i
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[17:33] <iKarith> gotta admit, that's pretty freakin' sweet.
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[17:39] <mohsen_1> Hello?
[17:41] <Habbie> hello
[17:41] <Habbie> probably raspbian, mohsen_1
[17:42] <mohsen_1> Habbie: Can I pm you?
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[17:42] <Habbie> mohsen_1, in general, no
[17:42] <Habbie> mohsen_1, why?
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[17:46] <mohsen_1> Well, I was more comfortable that way. Nevermind, I used archlinux on pi 2 before, but didn't get a good browsing experience honestly, I was unable to use some websites, isn't that going to happen on raspbian?
[17:46] <Habbie> probably
[17:46] <Habbie> the pi, especially the pi1, is a slow device
[17:46] <Habbie> and there is no flash support
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[17:48] <pwillard> I used the Zero on PDP emulator and it seems just right
[17:48] <pwillard> and no need to cut holes in the side
[17:48] <mohsen_1> I have a raspbian jessie light img, can I turn it exactly to the ultimate one?
[17:49] <Habbie> mohsen_1, it would involve apt-getting a lot of things, i'm not sure if they also added/changed configs
[17:49] <pwillard> It's easier to just remove the cruft from a full install of say... last fall's raspian release
[17:49] <mohsen_1> But Raspbian is big for download really.
[17:50] <ShorTie> there is a light version around a gig
[17:50] <ShorTie> no X in it
[17:50] <Habbie> the light version is great for non-desktop usage
[17:50] <Habbie> saves a lot of work trimming it
[17:50] <pwillard> a lot of work needed to get X just right, just saying
[17:51] <mohsen_1> ShorTie: The ultimate version is around a gig, the light one is almost 500mb.
[17:51] <pwillard> The latest release is huge due to stuff like LibreOffice grrr
[17:53] <giddles> hey
[17:53] <giddles> i wanna mine on rpi
[17:53] <giddles> with gpu
[17:53] <giddles> is it possible/what do i need ;)
[17:53] <mohsen_1> Well, consider a website like stackoverflow, is it smooth on raspbian?
[17:53] <giddles> my gpu already got heatsinks
[17:53] <giddles> :D
[17:53] <methuzla> pick axe, head lamp, canary
[17:53] <giddles> hrhr
[17:53] <giddles> +1
[17:54] <giddles> and good underday weathre... nah i mean etheriumcoins/btc/dogecoins
[17:54] <pwillard> haha
[17:54] <Habbie> giddles, that's pretty useless with a pi
[17:54] <giddles> why?
[17:54] <Habbie> giddles, and i'm not sure there is software for doing it on the pi gpu even
[17:54] <giddles> i have renewable energy
[17:54] <giddles> :)
[17:54] <Habbie> because the pi is extremely slow compared to what other miners are using
[17:54] <giddles> of cause
[17:55] <giddles> i have time
[17:55] <giddles> and free current
[17:55] <Habbie> ok
[17:55] <oq> ain't mining on any hardware useless nowadays
[17:55] <oq> maybe 3 years ago mining was worth it
[17:55] <giddles> i knew..
[17:55] <giddles> the chains are giants...
[17:55] <giddles> hmmmm
[17:56] <mohsen_1> What is mining.
[17:56] <oq> mohsen_1: bitcoin shit
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[17:56] <giddles> there are usb sticks on ebay for mining
[17:56] <giddles> maybe thats an idea
[17:56] <giddles> with the strompi2 i would also get good current on it
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[17:56] <Habbie> oq, please mind your language
[17:57] <giddles> family friendly ;) mhhhhhhh
[17:58] <iKarith> pwillard: when the zero is available again in 2017, that might be a good option.
[17:59] <giddles> dont worry oq, in this channel here they even dont spread gossip about new models... :P i must read it from a journalist that rpi3 comming... how sad
[17:59] <giddles> a moment of beeing unhappy and diasspointed
[17:59] <iKarith> It's kinda amusing to build a $150 kit and and power it with a $5 board ;)
[17:59] <pwillard> It works... as long as you place a small powered hub inside to get wireless working. I should take pictures.
[17:59] <iKarith> I'm sure it works a treat
[18:00] <pwillard> Even more weird. I was Hired buy DEC in 1977 and WORKED in the buildings where these and the KL10's were made.
[18:00] <Crom> however because of this room I was aware the rpi0 v1.3 was coming out and was able to buy 2 on day 0
[18:00] <pwillard> so it's crasy to see a $5 computer do what people payed enough for to keep me employed.
[18:01] * giddles wears an aluhat ;) wlan radio cant be healthy
[18:01] <giddles> :D
[18:01] <Bilby> too lazy to read upscroll, what's happenning?
[18:01] <Habbie> giddles, alu hats actually improve reception, are you sure you want to do that? :)
[18:01] <giddles> hehe
[18:01] <iKarith> I kinda like the KIM-Uno, but it's got some major problems that keep it from being the gadget I wish it were.
[18:01] <pwillard> I just drive about 14 miles and pick Zero's off a retail shelf.
[18:01] <giddles> alu can fix rpi2 from xenongate?
[18:01] <giddles> :D
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[18:02] <Bilby> the zeros are hitting shelves soo
[18:02] <giddles> or flashgate
[18:02] <Bilby> *soon
[18:02] <iKarith> Namely the RIOTs were cheesed and it has no connection to the outside world
[18:02] <pwillard> Oskar is a pretty kool guy... yeah
[18:02] <Bilby> now that they released the new rev and the Pi3 has hit saturation the factories are kickin out zeros again
[18:02] <giddles> why pizero...
[18:02] <iKarith> ideally you want a bunch of nice I/O pins connected through softfuses.
[18:02] <giddles> meh.. single core... no power
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[18:03] <iKarith> the ports of the second RIOT for example.
[18:03] <Habbie> iKarith, i see various zero kits in stock at at least two shops
[18:03] <Crom> pwillard, heh, I ended up with 3 Dec Alpha racks out of the storage buildings DEC had. My brother was putting in the hosting system into the old phone exchange building in Menlo Park or was it Palo Alto
[18:03] <iKarith> Habbie: kits, yes, that bundle a $5 board with $20-50 worth of other stuff.
[18:03] <Habbie> iKarith, sure
[18:03] <Habbie> iKarith, but it does mean it is not as badly out of stock as it was until last week
[18:03] <iKarith> that's true.
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[18:04] <iKarith> you'll stop seeing them on ebay for $80..
[18:04] <iKarith> wait, no you won't.
[18:04] <iKarith> ***RARE***
[18:04] <Habbie> hehe
[18:04] <Habbie> 'v1.2 rare'
[18:04] <Crom> My adafruit v1.3 showed up yesterday
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[18:04] <Bilby> the Rev 1 zeros were getting to availability when they stopped manufacturing them
[18:04] <pwillard> <-- From Marlboro Mass.... home of 36 Bit computing lol. What was always fun was seeing things that never actually became products.
[18:05] <iKarith> 8 bits oughtta be enough for anybody :)
[18:05] <Crom> heh they labeled the package P2885B Raspberry Pi Zero Version 2
[18:05] <oq> Crom: did you order a case?
[18:05] <Crom> nah man... 4bit bits is enough... 4004 rocked!
[18:06] <Crom> oq, no I'm cutting my own on the K40 at the makerspace
[18:06] <giddles> i ever ask why mr ebe uptown used a 64bit arm ... :)
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[18:06] <giddles> is it soo good on 32bit?
[18:06] <pwillard> Adafruit apologized for never having zero's in stock... but also said... you get "persona non grata" status for sending them hate mail about it...
[18:06] <giddles> or whats the deal behind?
[18:06] <giddles> @ rpi3
[18:06] <Habbie> giddles, what's the question?
[18:07] <Habbie> giddles, they picked a newer ARM core because it's faster
[18:07] <iKarith> pwillard: have you seen what passes for hate mail on teh intarwebz?
[18:07] <Habbie> giddles, i'm not sure 64 bit was a reason, maybe it is, but it's faster in 32 bit too
[18:07] <giddles> hmmm
[18:07] <pwillard> Pi3 just starts to move away from a somewhat older CPU
[18:07] <oq> pwillard: well seeing as they only build 30k of the damn things, 30k divided by hundreds of shops isn't many at all
[18:07] <iKarith> death threats are the standard "I'm not happy" it seems like
[18:07] <Crom> it happens to be it has 64bit cores. They just aren't making a 64 bit distribution for it
[18:08] <giddles> thats my question.. @ crom
[18:08] <giddles> only 32bit os...
[18:08] <iKarith> Crom: Because a 64 bit core running in 1GB RAM is basically silly.
[18:08] <pwillard> It's NUTS... and as Limor said... a real human person has to read these...
[18:08] <Crom> you can pop out a sd card from the rpi3 and stick it in the oldest pi and it'll work
[18:08] <iKarith> Limor is good people.
[18:08] <oq> giddles: you only need 64bit if you want 4gb of ram, using 32bit with less than that is pointless because it makes every byte bigger
[18:08] <pwillard> iKarith: we were just talking about running 12Bit cpu's with 32K
[18:09] <giddles> so why they used this cpu ;)
[18:09] <iKarith> Crom: I'd argue it's time to move beyond armv6, at least for the standard distribution, but the Zero will probably keep that from happening.
[18:09] <oq> giddles: probably because its what broadcom offered
[18:09] <giddles> hmk
[18:09] <iKarith> pwillard: PDP was 12 bit.
[18:09] <pwillard> I assume a lot has to to with backward compatibility with the user base
[18:09] <Crom> it's a "teaching computer"
[18:09] <Crom> pwillard, so true
[18:09] <giddles> for me its not a teaching computer
[18:09] <giddles> :)
[18:10] <iKarith> Crom: A lot of people use it otherwise.
[18:10] <giddles> real helpers in the iot
[18:10] <giddles> :)
[18:10] <pwillard> YES, PDP's were mostly 12 bit and 36 bit apart from the 16bit PDP11
[18:10] <gordonDrogon> I liked the PDP 11s.
[18:10] <Crom> iKarith, true... but the foundation is dedicated to making a computer for teaching computers
[18:10] <gordonDrogon> my first experience on unix was on an 11/40.
[18:10] <pwillard> as did I. I have many hours on 11's
[18:10] <oq> that bbc micro bit seems to me a better teacher than the pi
[18:11] <giddles> i come around with my old story... pi convention mr giddles fires his vw passat b8 to it and then nothing.. a blinking led... as i asked for kodi they looked to me like an alien
[18:11] <iKarith> Crom: Should've used a C64 for that ;)
[18:11] <Crom> ya PDP 11, the back bone of Compuserve for years and years
[18:11] <pwillard> I had an 11/34 inder my desk for a few years... (nobody wanted it because it was slow)
[18:12] <pwillard> and I converted maybe 6 or so 11/70's into LAT terminal servers sometime around 1985. was fun
[18:12] <iKarith> Crom: Half serious there. C64 or other machines of the era a person can understand top to bottom, everything about how it works. Pi running Linux? It's a more modern basis sure, but you can't really do the same things.
[18:12] <Crom> never did the C64 route.. I was more of a TRaSh-80 kinda guy... Model I, II, 4p, 12, 16, 6000
[18:12] <pwillard> Since CPU's like 68000 came along that's pretty much been the case.
[18:12] <iKarith> Even I don't know how the graphics subsystem works, and you know my history with OpenGL programming, so ...
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[18:13] * iKarith wants a CoCo 2/3
[18:13] <iKarith> but I'm poor.
[18:13] <pwillard> I have some I could sell
[18:13] <iKarith> have to wait for the right thingy.
[18:13] <Crom> CoCo had the 6809... nice chip!
[18:13] <pwillard> it was great
[18:13] <pwillard> easy to code
[18:13] <iKarith> 6809E, yup
[18:13] <pwillard> very similar to 6502
[18:13] <iKarith> that's not a surprise
[18:14] <pwillard> which I heard was sort of a copy of the 6809
[18:14] <gordonDrogon> thought the 6809 came after the 6502.. ?
[18:14] <iKarith> pwillard: Motorola folks sort of offered Motorola a design that was a cut down 6800 that could be made much more cheaply and sold for a fraction of the cost
[18:14] <gordonDrogon> I used one 6809 system way back, but I don't recall what it was. it ran pascal ...
[18:14] <iKarith> Motorola wasn't interested. So they went and formed MOS
[18:15] <pwillard> Ah right 6800 based
[18:15] <iKarith> And then Motorola tried to sue the crap out of them.
[18:15] <gordonDrogon> the 6800 sort of died a death, although some folks did like it in the early 80's.
[18:15] <iKarith> Managed to kill the pin-compatible 6501, but the 6502 the courts said no.
[18:15] <Crom> not the most efficeint but better than the 68020 and 68030... those chips had lousy byte read routines.. 4 clocks to get a byte, word, or long.. x86 was 1 clock for a byte, 2 for a word, 4 for a long
[18:15] <pwillard> SWTPC made the most well known hobby unit
[18:15] <gordonDrogon> that rings a bell...
[18:16] <pwillard> I pretty much used mu COCO until 1995 or so.
[18:16] <iKarith> Of course then Commodore bought tons and tons of chips, didn't pay their bills, and then waited for MOS to go under because of bills not paid. And bought them.
[18:16] <pwillard> It was my first attempt at home automation...
[18:17] <iKarith> pwillard: you're in the US?
[18:17] <pwillard> yep
[18:18] <iKarith> might be interested in a CoCo, depending on what you're asking for it
[18:18] <pwillard> Still, my favorite system remains the 32 bit DEC VAX
[18:19] <iKarith> 'specially if it's just sitting there not being used. Hate to see cool things not get used. :(
[18:19] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/stuff/mk14.jpg
[18:19] <pwillard> Well, I have a spare coco II (which I need to locate, btw).
[18:19] <iKarith> I'm even using my TI-99/4A :D
[18:20] <pwillard> It was my sister in laws and I assume it's still fine. I hang out here... so I'll try and find it.
[18:20] <iKarith> There's a web browser for that, believe it or not.
[18:20] <gordonDrogon> one of these days I'll clean that up.
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[18:20] <Crom> that was a nice machine for serving up files... At an Autocad shop I worked on their computers their file server was cluster of 4 VAX's they were digitizing Waco texas at the time.
[18:20] <iKarith> And now java.
[18:20] <Crom> 386-40's wand 486-20's I think were their drawing computers
[18:21] <iKarith> There's something satisfyingly wrong about Java on a TI-99/4A
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[18:23] <iKarith> pwillard: if you find it, send me a PM. If I can afford it, I'm interested. Once upon a time I had a CoCo 2 and never had access to the resources I do now, so I never got to use the thing. :(
[18:23] <UukGoblin> how can I disable X on the new raspbian? tried systemctl disable lightdm, update-rc.d -f lightdm remove and chmod -x /etc/init.d/lightdm, none of it seems to work :-(
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[18:24] <iKarith> UukGoblin: have a look at what raspi-config does. You need to change a systemd symlink
[18:25] <iKarith> raspi-config will do it for you, but I recommend looking at the script to see HOW it does it.
[18:25] <UukGoblin> iKarith, thanks
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[18:45] <Basketball> hello
[18:46] <Basketball> I have a raspberry pi B+ and I want to make a print server for my hp officejet 150 mobile printer. Does any have any suggestions? I have tried a couple of times in the past but i cannot get it to work.
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[19:07] <Crom> Basketball, you install samba, cups, cifs and all that?
[19:07] <Basketball> yes
[19:07] <Basketball> i have a b+
[19:08] <Basketball> do i need to upgrade
[19:08] <Crom> when you plug in the printer does it have external power?
[19:08] <Basketball> yes
[19:08] <Crom> do you see the printer in dmesg when plugged in?
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[19:09] <Basketball> i think i remember that
[19:09] <Basketball> yes
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[19:12] <Crom> then in samba config you have to share the printer, you have to add a rule in the firewall to let people connect to the printer
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[20:12] <Rickta59> anyone have any experience running qemu on a raspberry pi 2? Does it have the potential to run cortex-m3 stuff better than an x86 machine?
[20:13] <mgottschlag> the x86 machine will certainly be faster at emulating cortex-m3 VMs.
[20:13] <Rickta59> i orginally thought I could just compile for armv7m and run it on the pi .. that just leads to illegal instructions
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[20:13] <mgottschlag> (as long as the single core performance is higher than the one of the pi)
[20:14] <Rickta59> yeah my x86 machine is only a core duo .. the reason i was asking
[20:14] <mgottschlag> you could build a more efficient virtualization platform for cortex-m3 VMs, but nothing like that exists yet
[20:14] <Rickta59> k thanks mgottschlag
[20:14] <mgottschlag> a core duo certainly has higher single-core performance than the pi :)
[20:15] <Rickta59> most of the time it doesn't feel all that fast mgottschlag
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[20:18] <Habbie> of course compiling for the right armvX should also work
[20:18] <Habbie> wonder why that fails for you
[20:18] <Rickta59> so armv7m code will run on an rpi 2?
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[20:19] <mgottschlag> armv7m code should mostly work, as should most (not all) armv6 or armv5 code
[20:19] <Habbie> i don't know the right value of X :)
[20:19] <mgottschlag> but if you have a microcontroller project, it's probably interacting with hardware which is not present on the pi
[20:20] <Rickta59> i was testing code that does nothing expect memcopy stuff
[20:20] <Rickta59> i just wanted to see if it would run
[20:20] <mgottschlag> you can run it in gdb and see at which address it crashes, then look that up in the output of "objdump -d" to see which isntruction caused it
[20:21] <Rickta59> i'm sure i could ..
[20:21] <mgottschlag> most microcontroller programs have weird assumptions on memory and stack layout as well :)
[20:21] <Rickta59> right
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[20:22] <Rickta59> i guess i'll just stick with qemu on x86
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[20:24] <mohsen_1> Is there a noticeable difference in web browsing experience on Mate compared to Raspbian?
[20:28] <mohsen_1> I only have the credit to download one of them.
[20:28] <Habbie> credit?
[20:28] <Habbie> oh you're on metered internet?
[20:30] <mohsen_1> Yes, only 5gbs per month.
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[20:30] <Habbie> ouch
[20:30] <doublehp> what are the alternatives to cpuburn, when package is not available ?
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[20:43] <mohsen_1> Sorry, something has come up I had to go, will you please answer my question again? So sorry.
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[20:51] <Habbie> mohsen_1, you missed nothing except me responding 'ouch' to your 5gbps cap
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[20:55] <Rickta59> seems like you should be able to install go and then use the github version Habbie ?
[20:55] <Rickta59> sorry @ doublehp
[20:55] <Rickta59> https://github.com/patrickmn/cpuburn
[20:56] <mohsen_1> Habbie: so you have no idea on how the web experience be different on Mate and Raspbian>
[20:56] <mohsen_1> ?
[20:57] <Habbie> mohsen_1, no, i have never tried mate and on raspbian i've only used the browser to look up a bit of documentation about gpio
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[20:59] <doublehp> Rickta59: no APT package ?
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[21:04] <doublehp> Rickta59: I don't want to install gcc on that rpi
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[21:18] <green_snow> Any C/C++ libraries compatible with RPi3?
[21:19] <green_snow> audio libraries*
[21:23] <Habbie> i'm sure most of them are
[21:23] <Habbie> it's just linux
[21:24] <green_snow> not really
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[21:25] <green_snow> lol, looks like I'll have to use one of these game libraries o.o
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[21:35] <Drzacek> Hello
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[21:37] <Drzacek> I have little hardware problem. I ordered 5V 2A micro USB adapter for my RPi, but the plug broke down - I believe those two hooks that hold the plug inside got broken
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[21:38] <Drzacek> I was looking for replacement plug on the internet, but cant really find it - I only find other cables. Since I'm not sure how those cheap cables gonna behave, I would like to buy plug only so I can solder it to my adapter. Any idea where I could look?
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[21:50] <methuzla> Drzacek, little confused on what parts is broken. do you have photo of adapter?
[21:50] <Drzacek> methuzla, wait
[21:51] <colints> any suggestions on a 2.5amp powersupply?
[21:51] <methuzla> colints, V?
[21:52] <colints> not entirely sure
[21:52] <colints> ill rephrase
[21:52] <colints> any suggestions on a power supply for an rpi3?
[21:52] <methuzla> 5V then
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[21:53] <niston> colints: Meanwell RS15 5V
[21:53] <colints> thanks!
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[21:54] <colints> oh, that looks complicated, haha. My current canakit power supply that plugs into the wall isnt supplying enough power under load
[21:55] <methuzla> what's it rated?
[21:55] <colints> instability, etc. Is it just a bad block? or is there a better one?
[21:55] <colints> 2.5amps
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[21:55] <methuzla> are you using a good cable?
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[21:55] <Drzacek> methuzla, http://pasteboard.co/15XWgeKI.png
[21:55] <colints> its a soldered cable
[21:56] <colints> i would prefer a usb plug...
[21:56] <methuzla> soldered how?
[21:56] <colints> as in no usb plug on the block, the wire is permanently affixed.
[21:56] <methuzla> oh, captured
[21:57] <methuzla> Drzacek, so just want a new one of those connectors?
[21:57] <Chillum> Drzacek: www.ebay.ca/itm/131086064957
[21:57] <Drzacek> methuzla, yeah. It doesn't sit tight when I connect to anything
[21:57] <Chillum> though you can probably find a better price
[21:58] <methuzla> Drzacek, and why not just a new cable?
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[21:58] <Drzacek> Chillum, still best price than anything I found til now
[21:58] <Chillum> it is a fiddly repair, considering how cheap usb power supplies are
[21:58] <Drzacek> methuzla, I thought that micro usb plug would be better quality than cheap cable
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[21:59] <Drzacek> Chillum, I know, but 2A are not very common (I still hope this is enough for rpi3)
[21:59] <Chillum> it owuld be easier to cut the micro end off another cord and connect the wires than replacing the end, if you really want to stick with your adapter
[21:59] <Chillum> but really, 2A usb power supplies are common enough
[21:59] <methuzla> Drzacek, adafruit sells them as well: https://www.adafruit.com/products/1390
[22:00] <Drzacek> keyword - price :D
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[22:00] <Drzacek> still, don't want to throw away adapter I bought last month
[22:01] <methuzla> colints, do you have a link to the actual power supply that is giving you issues?
[22:01] <colints> yes one sec
[22:01] <colints> http://www.amazon.com/CanaKit-Raspberry-Micro-Supply-Listed/dp/B01C6FFNY4/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1463860893&sr=8-3&keywords=canakit
[22:01] <colints> it was provided with that package
[22:02] <methuzla> one would hope it would be adequate
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[22:03] <methuzla> cheap supplies can do a bad job at maintaining good/constant 5V across the rated current
[22:04] <methuzla> but you'd think if they're packaging it with a pi, they would've tested it with a pi
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[22:04] <methuzla> or even better, with a dedicated bench tester
[22:04] <Chillum> so it is this adapter: http://www.amazon.com/CanaKit-Raspberry-Supply-Adapter-Charger/dp/B00MARDJZ4
[22:04] <methuzla> colints, under what conditions does it give you issues?
[22:05] <colints> apt-get upgrade
[22:05] <colints> kodi during 1080p playback
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[22:05] <colints> was using openelec
[22:06] <colints> currently attempting to install ubuntu mate
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[22:07] <methuzla> describe what happened with the 'apt-get upgrade' example
[22:07] <colints> froze, unresponsive
[22:07] <colints> dont even have a kernel panic
[22:07] <colints> that was on raspbian
[22:08] <methuzla> what all do you have connected to the pi?
[22:08] <colints> same thing on openelec, playback just freezes a few minutes in
[22:08] <colints> ethernet, and a logitech wireless keyboard dongle
[22:09] <methuzla> do you have another power adapter you could try?
[22:09] <colints> only 2amp
[22:09] <colints> i can try it
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[22:10] <methuzla> might be worth it to see if behavior changes
[22:11] <colints> will do
[22:12] <colints> actually i had another question regarding power... i have 4 pi's. is there anything that can power all 4 from a single power outlet?
[22:12] <colints> 2 rpi1b's 2 rpi2's
[22:13] <Chillum> I have a 5V 60A power supply that I used to run 16 Pis at one point
[22:13] <Chillum> just gave each one a fat capacitor
[22:13] <Chillum> now I use it for led displays
[22:14] <colints> custom job?
[22:14] <Chillum> just making my house sparkly
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[22:14] <Chillum> as for the 16 pis I had them for anotyher thing and just wanted to play around with a Redis cluster
[22:15] <colints> i was looking at:
[22:15] <colints> http://www.amazon.com/Charge-Anker-6-Port-Charger-PowerPort/dp/B017JT6846/ref=sr_1_33?ie=UTF8&qid=1463861700&sr=8-33&keywords=anker
[22:15] <Chillum> I learned that a Redis cluster on a low speed network sucks
[22:16] <Chillum> 60W at 5V is 12A, over 6 ports that is 2A per port. using all 6 might be pushing it
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[22:16] <Chillum> but 5 for sure
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[22:16] <colints> it has some proprietary load balancing called IQ
[22:16] <colints> i dont know how it will react to PI's
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[22:17] <Chillum> even with a great power supply if the cord has thin wires the voltage will drop when the amps go up
[22:17] <Chillum> a good usb cable has thicker power wires than the cheap ones
[22:17] <colints> well the 2 rpi1's will be low load
[22:17] <colints> DNS, DHCP, etc
[22:18] <colints> basic networking
[22:18] <colints> im segregating services off a pfsense box
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[22:23] <Chillum> if you don't use the GPU the pi uses a lot less power
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[22:26] <colints> its ssh on 3, mate on 1
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[23:14] <Salvakiya> will a 5v 1000mA hurt my pi?
[23:14] <Salvakiya> a power adapter that is
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[23:15] <Chillum> it won't hurt it
[23:15] <bekks> If you hit the rpi hard enough with it, yes, ot will hurt it.
[23:15] <Chillum> but it may be be enough power
[23:15] <Chillum> you may get corrupt memory card
[23:15] <Salvakiya> lol
[23:15] <Chillum> I meant to say "it may not be enough power"
[23:15] <methuzla> what model pi?
[23:15] <Salvakiya> pi 2
[23:15] <Chillum> depends on if you use the GPU and/or usb devices
[23:16] <Chillum> I have run them off 1A, but with no devices and with the GPU no being used
[23:16] <Salvakiya> I will be watching movies on it
[23:16] <Chillum> it might work, but you may have problems with the sd card
[23:16] <Salvakiya> i thought 1000mA was a lot
[23:16] <Chillum> 1.5-2A is more like it
[23:16] <Salvakiya> o
[23:17] <Chillum> it is a fair amount. But the Pi can be a power gobbler when using the GPU
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[23:18] <Salvakiya> well I have an asus adapter which is 5v 2A
[23:19] <bekks> I'm working with a powerbank with up to 2.1A
[23:20] <Chillum> 2A should be plenty for a pi 2
[23:20] <Chillum> it is what I am using for my openelec box
[23:20] <methuzla> try the 1A, if issues, then 2A
[23:20] <Chillum> yup
[23:20] <Chillum> just be aware the underpowering can corrupt the memory card, so not a big deal if you can just reformat it, big deal if you have important files on it
[23:21] <Chillum> won't damage it, just fail to write properly sometimes
[23:21] <Chillum> if you see a rainbow icon in the corner of the screen it is the pi complaining about being underpowered
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[23:24] <colints> methuzla: runs fine on the 2amp psu
[23:25] <colints> guess that narrows it
[23:25] * methuzla scrolls back
[23:25] <colints> tldr; random freezes on rpi3
[23:25] <methuzla> oh yeah, ok
[23:25] <colints> bad power block
[23:25] <colints> thanks
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[23:26] <methuzla> speaking of rainbows, did you ever get that?
[23:26] <colints> nah, i know what your talking about. just hardlocks
[23:27] <methuzla> if you think you've got it narrowed to the power supply, i'd say email canakit and let them know
[23:28] <Salvakiya> i need a framework so I can make games for the pi
[23:29] <Salvakiya> shoot
[23:29] <Salvakiya> what is the default login and password for the raspberry pi
[23:29] <binaryhermit> username pi password raspberry
[23:29] <methuzla> last two words in previous sentence
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[23:30] <methuzla> or not
[23:30] <Salvakiya> and is it bad if I get a warn for "kernel lacks cgroups or memory controller not available. not starting cgroups
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[23:32] <Salvakiya> and also... for some odd reason I am getting an odd resolution
[23:32] <Salvakiya> 1776x952?
[23:33] <methuzla> how do you have monitor hooked up?
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[23:33] <Salvakiya> hdmi
[23:34] <methuzla> may need to mess with config.txt: http://elinux.org/RPiconfig#Video
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[23:39] <Salvakiya> what I really need tbh is a way to get my wifi adapter working
[23:40] <Salvakiya> its a tp-link tl-wn725n
[23:40] <Salvakiya> not supported by default
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[23:44] <snfgf> Tried to boot raspberry pi 2B first time; I get no output to HDMI monitor. 2 lights (red & green) come on, on the pi. Is it busted?
[23:45] <Chillum> is the green light flashing as though it was booting?
[23:45] <snfgf> no, both lights stable
[23:45] <methuzla> snfgf, what OS did you put on SD card?
[23:45] <Chillum> sounds like it is not booting
[23:46] <snfgf> methuzla, I didn't. I thought it came with raspibian?
[23:46] <methuzla> snfgf, so, no SD card even installed?
[23:46] <Chillum> the pi does not come with any memory card, whoever you bought ti from my have provided one
[23:47] <Chillum> but even if it did have an OS on it it would probably be out of date
[23:47] <snfgf> there is micro SD card that came in a package with the pi
[23:47] <snfgf> you are probably right; there probably is no OS on the SD card. Stupid me.
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[23:47] <Chillum> best to minimize variables when trying to debug. Try imaging the latest raspbian onto the card
[23:47] <methuzla> snfgf, do you know if there is an image on SD card? or is it just blank?
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[23:50] <AlmightyA> Anyone know off hand how big of a SD card the Pi 3 can handle?
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[23:51] <methuzla> Salvakiya, tried building driver? http://www.tp-link.com/en/download/TL-WN725N.html#Driver
[23:52] <snfgf> methuzla, it is blank o_O
[23:52] <Salvakiya> building?
[23:53] <methuzla> download source to pi, run make
[23:53] <methuzla> snfgf, yep. need image.
[23:53] <Berg> good morning to the stress relief channel
[23:54] <AceBlade258> not sure if this is the right place, but:
[23:54] <AceBlade258> I'm using fedora 23 on my Pi, and I just noticed during an update it has a bunch of iwl*-firmware packages. Any ideas why?
[23:54] <Salvakiya> methuzla, never done that
[23:54] <AceBlade258> it's a pi 3
[23:54] <Salvakiya> I know one of the os's I got for the pi it worked out of the box
[23:54] <Salvakiya> but it was not the official os
[23:56] <AceBlade258> (also, about to move my pi to f2fs for giggles. Any caveats?
[23:56] <AceBlade258> )
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