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IRC Log for 2016-05-22

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[0:31] <snfgf> I am trying to install OSMC, but it is having problems mounting my SD card.
[0:31] <snfgf> http://termbin.com/m8do
[0:32] <snfgf> The installer quits, with the error message: 'Could not mount /dev/sdc'.
[0:33] <AceBlade258> Have you tried #osmc ?
[0:33] <snfgf> Yes, it is quiet.
[0:33] <AceBlade258> so is here ^_^'
[0:33] <AceBlade258> to be fair, it's beautiful out where I live
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[0:34] <snfgf> Do you live with #osmc channel users?
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[0:36] <snfgf> Is it necessary to use the OSMC installer? Is downloading the diskimage and dd'ing just the same?
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[0:44] <colints> you dont need osmc
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[0:44] <colints> i dd'ed an image, worked fine
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[0:48] <ali1234> anyone got the new pi zero and camera cable yet?
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[0:56] <snfgf> colints, I dd'd, then booted. No green light on the Pi. A multicoloured background on my monitor. Is there something else I need to do?
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[0:57] <colints> shouldnt be
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[1:05] <AlmightyA> Anyone know off hand how big of a SD card the Pi 3 can handle?
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[1:08] <shauno> you probably want to take a trawl though http://elinux.org/RPi_SD_cards#Working_.2F_Non-working_SD_cards
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[1:11] <Ispira> hey guys
[1:11] <Ispira> I have a power strip with USB charger ports on it, box rates it at 10w 2.1A, that sufficient for an RPi 2B?
[1:12] <Ispira> I don't think it'd be a problem but just figured I'd ask.
[1:13] <oq> definitely
[1:13] <Ispira> oh that's not good
[1:13] <Ispira> I just picked up my pi 2 case and it smells distinctly of sad electronic
[1:14] <oq> what
[1:14] <Ispira> come to think of it last time I tried to use it a week or so ago it wasn't working and that's when I unplugged it
[1:14] <Ispira> uh oh
[1:14] <Ispira> I just got around today to getting ready to hook it back up, hence asking about the new power strip
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[1:16] <oq> excuse to buy a pi3?
[1:16] <Ispira> nothing is visibly wrong with it
[1:17] <Ispira> a bit of bad solder on a spot but the connection is fine still
[1:18] <Ispira> distinctly smells like it let the magic smoke ouut tho, lets try and turn it on!
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[1:20] <Ispira> grrr
[1:20] <Ispira> windows is giivng me trouble formatting my sd card now
[1:20] <Berg> watch out for radiation leaks
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[1:21] <Ispira> I'm pretty far away from fukushima Berg
[1:21] <Berg> well watch out for wiki leaks
[1:21] <Berg> hehehe
[1:21] <oq> Ispira: use the win32diskimager?
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[1:34] <chainsaw10> Anyone know anything about configuring ALSA to use a USB sound card? I'm trying to use a USB sound card with `aplay`, and I can't get it to do anything.
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[1:37] <methuzla> hmmm. once. quite some time ago.
[1:37] <methuzla> does it show up with aplay -l
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[1:41] <chainsaw10> Sometimes yes, sometimes no. (I find that part especially weird)
[1:41] <methuzla> correlation to anything?
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[1:42] <chainsaw10> Looking at dmesg, it looks like it doesn't like something I did in /etc/modprobe.d.
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[1:43] <methuzla> well, what did you do?
[1:45] <sKyZ> Are there any headless raspi OS's that I can just flash on to the SD card then SSH in with a default user/pass? I don't feel like hooking up a monitor/keyboard/mouse.
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[1:45] <Berg> jessie lite
[1:45] <chainsaw10> Some articles I found indicated I should create a .conf file (name doesn't matter) and put lines to the effect of "options snd_bcm2835 index=1" and "options snd-usb-audio index=0". It didn't like that for some reason, so I've removed it.
[1:45] <sKyZ> Berg - Thank you sir.
[1:46] <Berg> https://downloads.raspberrypi.org/raspbian_lite/images/raspbian_lite-2016-05-13/2016-05-10-raspbian-jessie-lite.zip
[1:46] <Berg> ssh in and do the normal stuff for file system etc
[1:47] <methuzla> chainsaw10, do you have alsamixer installed?
[1:47] <Berg> has no desktop
[1:47] <chainsaw10> methuzla, yes, I do.
[1:48] <chainsaw10> methuzla: I now have it showing up in `aplay -l`, but not as the default.
[1:48] <methuzla> chainsaw10, try -D to specify device
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[1:49] <chainsaw10> methuzla, any idea how to get the proper name to use. I tried `aplay -D Set test.wav` and got "Unknown PCM Set". I got "Set" from the output of `aplay -l`
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[1:50] <chainsaw10> methuzla, relevant line is "card 1: Set [C-Media USB Headphone Set], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio]"
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[1:52] <methuzla> chainsaw10, aplay -D hw:1,0 test.wav
[1:53] <chainsaw10> methuzla, thanks! Now I have a different error :) "aplay: set_params:1239: Channels count non available"
[1:54] <chainsaw10> I can usually guess at what errors mean, but I have no idea what that is. I'm Googling it again, but when I checked earlier, it wasn't much help.
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[1:54] <pksato> can be a mono device, aplay -c 1 or aplay -c 2
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[1:56] <chainsaw10> methuzla: pksato: Tried with aplay -D hw:1,0 -c (1 through 10) test.wav, and it didn't work, but aplay -D plughw:1,0 test.wav did work, so I guess I'll use that :)
[1:56] <chainsaw10> Thanks so much for your help!
[1:56] <methuzla> what os?
[1:57] <chainsaw10> Raspbian Jessie, without NOOBS. Just downloaded it today.
[1:58] <chainsaw10> Was able to set the USB sound as the default for `aplay` with the .asoundrc found in the last post here: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=124380
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[1:58] <shauno> if it's any help, you can create the same file as /etc/asound.conf to make it system-wide too
[1:59] <chainsaw10> shauno, thanks! I'll keep that in mind. Any scripts I write will likely run as me, but if I need it, I'll use that.
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[2:03] <methuzla> chainsaw10, FWIW, it looks like i modified my /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf to have: options snd-usb-audio index=0
[2:04] <chainsaw10> methuzla, that's what every article I could find said. However, my install didn't have that file for some reason (and I'm fairly certain I didn't delete it)
[2:05] <methuzla> i'm still on wheezy, so maybe it's a jessie change
[2:05] <jrg> is anybody here using mount.cifs on a pi in raspbian?
[2:07] <chainsaw10> methuzla, there's a forum article about it here: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=124016 , but I have it working with the .asoundrc I mentioned above, so I'm not touching it :)
[2:08] <chainsaw10> methuzla, thanks again for your help!
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[2:08] <methuzla> np
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[2:10] <[Saint]> chainsaw10: you probably didn't delete it, there's an immense possibility it didn't exist. Many dotfiles don't exist until the user opts to create them in their environment.
[2:11] <methuzla> not a dot file, but /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf
[2:13] <methuzla> file exists for me on 4 wheezy boxes i just checked
[2:13] <[Saint]> Good thing I wasn't even talking about that then huh?
[2:13] <[Saint]> .asoundrc
[2:14] <[Saint]> but now I realize I misparsed it initially.
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[2:16] <pksato> files on /etc/modprobe.d/ control how kernel modules are loaded and configured.
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[2:17] <pksato> asoundrc, or as gerneral, rc files are to set application or library.
[2:17] <SomeT> I am confused, the new raspberry pi zero, is it a whole new raspberry pi zero or can I connect my camera to my original raspberry pi zero?
[2:17] <[Saint]> It is, and you can not.
[2:17] <methuzla> what camera?
[2:17] <pksato> dotfiles are user settings.
[2:17] <SomeT> the pi camera
[2:18] <[Saint]> see above.
[2:18] <[Saint]> It is, and you can not.
[2:18] <SomeT> so I have to buy another raspberry pi zero?
[2:18] <SomeT> this is madness :'(
[2:18] <[Saint]> If you want to use it with the pi cam, yes.
[2:18] <[Saint]> Did you not notice it completely lacked the CSI port?
[2:19] <[Saint]> And that no mention was ever made about it having one?
[2:19] <pksato> new pi zero and special flat cable.
[2:19] <SomeT> nowhere stocks pi zero anyway, lol
[2:19] <SomeT> they are always sold out
[2:20] <methuzla> so send them hate mail about it, they love it when people do that
[2:20] <SomeT> haha
[2:20] <[Saint]> Well, in all fairness - they do deserve it.
[2:20] <SomeT> I am tempted to email them asking for a free upgrade
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[2:21] <[Saint]> WHo in their right mind, after this much success, decides to make a production run of 10K units.
[2:21] <SomeT> thing that annoys me I just purchased a raspberry pi 3 to get the camera port
[2:21] <[Saint]> "yes, this will be enough - totally"
[2:21] <[Saint]> WHoever thought that needs a boot in the bum.
[2:21] <[Saint]> And then they're all like "Sorry we sold out, didn't know it was so popular!"
[2:21] <[Saint]> ...errr...wut?
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[2:25] <methuzla> chainsaw10, do you have this file? /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf
[2:26] <chainsaw10> methuzla, yes I do. It's some type of config format for ALSA. Doesn't look like a modprobe.d/*.conf file at all.
[2:27] <methuzla> per that link you sent, seems like that's the jessie equivalent of /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf
[2:28] <chainsaw10> Yeah, I saw that. However, it's certainly not line-for-line equivalent. Maybe it does the same thing, idk.
[2:28] <chainsaw10> That's why I gave up on that link and googled some more :) I sent it your way in case you were curious for when you upgrade.
[2:29] <methuzla> ah. thanks.
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[2:41] <ziddey> we the north
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[2:45] <[Saint]> Ever thought of what a terrible name Raptors is for a team?
[2:45] <[Saint]> You can take your pick of brutally fast but amazingly fragile birds, or dinosaurs.
[2:46] <[Saint]> Team motto of "If we lose more than 3 games/kills, we'll probably die of starvation!".
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[2:55] <avenger> weren't they founded right around when jurassic park was a thing?
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[2:55] <avenger> they're like getting a butterfly tattoo when you
[2:55] <avenger> 're 16... you'll regret your choice in 30 years
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[2:56] <[Saint]> avenger: I have no idea of the origins of the name.
[2:56] <oq> raptors would be an amazing name for a team from utah
[2:57] <[Saint]> Canada is pretty fossil rich.
[2:57] <[Saint]> But I'm not sure if they had any, or an overwhelming, population of raptors.
[2:58] <[Saint]> avenger: that's what people told me about my Vegeta tattoo...but, I still think I'm awesome.
[2:58] <[Saint]> (yes, really, I really do)
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[2:58] <avenger> i'm not judging
[2:58] <[Saint]> {errr..both. have the tattoo, and think I'm awesome}
[2:58] <[Saint]> ;)
[2:58] <avenger> as long as it took like 15 sessions for the tattoo
[2:58] <avenger> just like a DBZ story
[2:59] <oq> christ
[2:59] <[Saint]> avenger: eh....s/15/2/, same difference.
[3:00] <avenger> in this episode, goku stares at piccolo and grunts... next week find out if they actually fight
[3:00] <oq> avenger: nah next week goku has got to power up
[3:00] <[Saint]> they really had no other choice.
[3:00] <[Saint]> but to add all that filler, I mean.
[3:01] <[Saint]> the source material had a very high lack of content and an erratic schedule.
[3:01] <[Saint]> so there was a lot of 'fill in the gaps' episodes where they just blatantly made stuff up.
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[3:03] * avenger fuses with this pizza
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[3:05] <atracht> if you have a multiple usb charger can you overdraw power from the pi or will it just not provide enough power and the pi will shut off
[3:05] <[Saint]> fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu......siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiioooooooooooooon--------------ha!
[3:07] <[Saint]> atracht: you can draw up to 1.2A IIRC.
[3:07] <[Saint]> (with a config edit)
[3:07] <methuzla> atracht, are you trying to power the pi with more than one charger?
[3:08] <atracht> I have 7 pi's and am going to hook it up to a 60watt 10 port usb charger at 1.7A per, trying to figure out if it'll be enough
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[3:08] <atracht> and if I can overclock
[3:08] <[Saint]> 2.2A is the suggested I believe.
[3:08] <[Saint]> for supply.
[3:09] <atracht> ah
[3:09] <methuzla> what model pi and what is attached to each?
[3:09] <[Saint]> but if you have no peripherals you'll probably get away with it.
[3:09] <atracht> 3 :/
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[3:09] <[Saint]> I thought you were asking "how much can I draw from a powered pi".
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[3:09] <[Saint]> Still not entirely convinced you're not also asking this.
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[3:10] <methuzla> attachments?
[3:10] <atracht> i'm trying to figure out if the charger can power all the pi's and if it can't is it a hazard to the charger or will the pi's just shut off
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[3:10] <avenger> i'm using the ipad apple charger (2.2A one) and it's always been super reliable
[3:11] <atracht> http://www.amazon.com/Anker-10-Port-Charger-Multi-Port-PowerPort/dp/B00YRYS4T4
[3:11] <atracht> it's up to 2.4 for each or up to 12 overall
[3:11] <atracht> it's a distributed server so it won't be running full capacity all the time
[3:12] <atracht> so cpu load shouldn't be high
[3:12] <methuzla> well, 7 * (5V @ 1.7A) = 59.5w so works by math, i guess
[3:12] <[Saint]> yeah, you'll get away with that easy.
[3:12] <[Saint]> assuming it stays stable under load.
[3:12] <methuzla> and you can possibly get away with 1.7A feeding a pi3 depending on stuff
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[3:13] <[Saint]> the early pis with no peripherals could boot and run on 500ma
[3:13] <[Saint]> I still have one running as such actually.
[3:13] <atracht> here's what it looks like :) http://imgur.com/CbIVwoM
[3:15] <methuzla> i'd make left (in image) either up or down to promote heat flow
[3:16] <avenger> atracht, whatcha gonna do with it?
[3:17] <atracht> avenger play around with using it as a multiple node web server, hopefully with docker, yes it's more efficient and cheaper to use an online vps for that, but this is just for fun/learning purposes
[3:18] <atracht> if there are any other fun distributed projects or things to learn I may try that too
[3:19] <atracht> combination of varnish, nginx, php, redis and mysql
[3:20] <atracht> inspired from http://www.pidramble.com
[3:21] <avenger> pretty neat
[3:21] <atracht> i wanted to use arch linux but raspbian doesn't seem too heavy and it's much easier to work with
[3:21] <oq> it's a shame to go through all that and then put drupal on it
[3:22] <atracht> the top pi has a pitft screen to display logs/resources etc
[3:22] <atracht> and each pi has a multicolor led connected to show status
[3:23] <oq> atracht: you could probably take over the built-in act led
[3:23] <atracht> oq rainbow is more fun
[3:24] <oq> what does it look like?
[3:24] <oq> the rainbow leds
[3:26] <atracht> i'm just using the ledborg ones since I haven't taken a journey into making them myself https://www.piborg.org/ledborg
[3:26] <atracht> still have to configure them
[3:26] <oq> the whole layer lights up?
[3:27] <oq> neat
[3:27] <oq> or do you have to sand the edges of the acrylic?
[3:27] <[Saint]> atracht: I would probably suggest switching to the 'raspbian lite' branch if you haven't already.
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[3:27] <atracht> [Saint] yeah that's what i'm using
[3:28] <[Saint]> there's a tonne of stuff in raspbian proper you'll never use for this use case.
[3:28] <[Saint]> ah. right.
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[3:28] <atracht> is it worth trying to get arch working or is lite pretty light?
[3:28] <oq> I thought someone else was already making arch builds for the pi
[3:29] <[Saint]> of course.
[3:29] <[Saint]> but I doubt that's what he meant.
[3:29] <[Saint]> I think he meant "is it worth redeploying under Arch"
[3:29] <[Saint]> In which case I'd have to say...."maybe, depends".
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[3:30] <atracht> they are, it's not 64bit yet, and they don't have up to date img files, so it's more of a hassle, raspian just seems to work out of the box
[3:30] <atracht> especially with the pitft screen
[3:30] <oq> raspbian isn't 64bit either
[3:30] <atracht> maybe down the road
[3:30] <atracht> ah
[3:30] <[Saint]> raspbian isn;t 64bit either
[3:30] <atracht> so there's not a 64bit native for the 3 yet?
[3:30] <[Saint]> No.
[3:30] <oq> they don't feel its worth it
[3:30] <atracht> gotcha
[3:31] <[Saint]> Frankly, it isn't.
[3:31] <[Saint]> and not having .img available for ALARM isn't a particularly high barrier, IMO.
[3:32] <atracht> [Saint] it was more laziness, it wasn't as easy to get arch on the card on osx, unless I was missing something, fdisk kept giving me issues
[3:33] <atracht> so i booted up ubuntu in a vm, but vmware can't access the sd card reader on a macbook, so I used an external reader and that didn't work
[3:34] <atracht> sigh, maybe I should try again :)
[3:34] <[Saint]> did you have the guest additions environment installed, and set up a USB passthrough rule?
[3:35] <[Saint]> the host not automagically passing over control of a device to the guest doesn't surprise me in the least.
[3:35] <[Saint]> that would be bad ju-ju.
[3:35] <atracht> yeah, I actually got it working with fdisk and such, it was when I was trying to do the sync command I got some weird error, the files appeared on the card, but it wouldn't boot
[3:35] <oq> atracht: you could always use one of the pis to do it
[3:36] <atracht> oq ha I didn't think about that
[3:36] <atracht> then the next issue is getting the pitft working with it
[3:37] <[Saint]> just don't try and substitute bsdtar with tar, or actually being root with sudo.
[3:37] <[Saint]> otherwise the install will "work", but be entirely broken, and you'll spend an entire day wondering why before realizing you're an idiot.
[3:38] <[Saint]> source: an...errrrr...friend, did this. Yeah <convincing nod>
[3:38] <oq> are those pi noirs actually useful?
[3:38] <atracht> ha
[3:38] <atracht> i'm just going to use raspbian for now, get docker swarm working then tear it down and try it all again with arch later
[3:39] <atracht> I just need a cool looking command line resource monitor which some people suggested some on here a few days ago
[3:40] <oq> something with ncurses?
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[3:41] <atracht> what's the learning curve on that
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[3:41] <atracht> or how do i get started
[3:42] <oq> atracht: I mean do you want something you can interact with or just the numbers?
[3:42] <atracht> just numbers and text
[3:42] <oq> like top?
[3:43] <atracht> yeah I could just use that I suppose, it'd be cool to be able to monitor the resources of all the pi's but I'm not sure how i'd go about that
[3:44] <atracht> lots of fun things to learn
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[3:54] <Berg> I just loaded the schematics for my dog i9 cant see a usb port anywhere
[3:56] <atracht> anyone have experience overclocking the microsd slot
[3:58] <atracht> http://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2016/how-overclock-microsd-card-reader-on-raspberry-pi-3
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[3:59] <oq> atracht: I don't bother, there's risk of corruption
[3:59] <atracht> related, what's the lifespan of a typical sd card
[4:00] <oq> I'm not sure those numbers get published
[4:02] <ball> Berg: Why is your dog not a K9?
[4:03] <Berg> hahahah i might order one
[4:03] <[Saint]> atracht: ~10+ years of constant use
[4:03] <atracht> [Saint] technology is so crazy these days, micro sd cards still blow my mind
[4:03] <Berg> wonderfull ball
[4:03] <oq> [Saint]: not if that constant use == constant formatting
[4:04] <[Saint]> oq: actually, yes.
[4:04] <[Saint]> 24/7/365 of constant write/read for ~10 years
[4:04] <atracht> 256gb on a wafer the size of my fingernail
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[4:05] <oq> [Saint]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital#Risks_of_reformatting
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[4:06] <ball> "reformatting" == making a new filesystem?
[4:06] <[Saint]> all that link says is "use may wear the sdcard", basically.
[4:06] <[Saint]> not precisely news.
[4:07] <ball> Breaking news: water is wet ;-)
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[4:07] <[Saint]> more freaky science magic at 11.
[4:08] <ball> That sounded more condescending than I intended.
[4:10] <[Saint]> the tech behind the storage itself is solid. dodgy or nonexistent wear levelling is the problem I guess.
[4:10] <Berg> the south china sea is wetter then the dead sea
[4:10] <Berg> less salt
[4:10] <Berg> :)
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[4:17] <ball> [Saint]: Do SD cards feature wear levelling?
[4:17] <[Saint]> Some do, yes.
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[4:18] <ball> [Saint]: Particular brands or families?
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[4:28] <[Saint]> Sandisk, probably Kingston - since they're just odd semi-shade resellers of Toshiba and Sandisk anyway. The sd market is kinda weird like that.
[4:28] <[Saint]> I doubt I could make a list for you of "all SD vendors or appliances featuring wear levelling".
[4:28] <[Saint]> Though it would be a good bet that anything with a traditional NAND interface needs some form of external controller to handle this.
[4:30] <[Saint]> I dunno...can you call sector visualization wear levelling? I guess so.
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[4:31] <ball> I've not even heard of that.
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[4:34] <[Saint]> Not a lot of manufacturers seem to be particularly forthcoming about their wear leveling processes or error correction processes.
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[4:34] <[Saint]> They all seem to be reasonably happy to state that they exist, but, not clarify the methodology.
[4:35] <Zardoz> sandisk is WD now anyways
[4:35] <Zardoz> and it's like that for hard drives as well...
[4:35] <[Saint]> So I guess that makes Kingston WD too.
[4:36] <[Saint]> Since Kingston are basically just Sandisk/Toshiba sellers at a markup.
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[4:36] <[Saint]> AFAIK kingston doesn't make their own wafers or controllers, they just rebrand. It is weird that you could exist in that market like that.
[4:37] <Zardoz> lol look at dell
[4:37] <[Saint]> It is like setting up a burger shop next to a MacDonalds, and then when people order from you, you go out the back door and buy it from McDonalds, change the wrapper, and charge them an extra $2
[4:37] <Zardoz> they dont amke a dam thing
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[4:40] <Xark> "Convenience charge". :)
[4:40] <Zardoz> OMG this looks so good
[4:41] <[Saint]> Xark: you just activated ALL of my rage.
[4:42] * Xark redirects to Kingston... :)
[4:42] <[Saint]> My ISP has a $5 "convenience charge" for all electronic payments.
[4:42] <Xark> How convenient (for them).
[4:42] <[Saint]> Like, I can send them a damn backdated cashiers check in the mail for free...but an _instant_ electronic payment costs $5.
[4:43] <[Saint]> wut? >.>
[4:43] <Xark> It is also called "skimming". :)
[4:43] <[Saint]> Bastards know I'm too damn lazy to go to the bank.
[4:43] <Zardoz> I would send cheacks
[4:43] <Xark> Like F-ing ATM fees, total scam.
[4:44] <Zardoz> my landlord does the same shit 25 fee so I send them checks
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[4:45] <Zardoz> I been trying to figure at out a wht to make it cost them more
[4:47] <[Saint]> In many locales adding a service charge to paying rent is all kinds of unlawful.
[4:47] <[Saint]> might want to check on that.
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[4:47] <Zardoz> not here
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[4:48] <[Saint]> Here, I'd be telling my landlord to go pack sand in her nether regions.
[4:48] <giddles> .234 winchester helps on that
[4:48] <giddles> :)
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[4:48] <Zardoz> but 25 bucks for debet card payment is robbery.
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[4:49] <Zardoz> sorry dollars for some of you folks.
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[4:49] <[Saint]> I paid it _once_, and I put "extortion" into the payee details comment field.
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[4:49] <[Saint]> That earned me a call from the customer services representitive.
[4:49] <[Saint]> argh - spelling.
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[4:50] <Zardoz> when I give them a check I complain about the inconvenience
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[4:51] <giddles> anyone here has knowlegend about ai? python whatever
[4:51] <shauno> seems like a conversation that belongs in the early 90s :/ cheques don't really exist here anymore
[4:51] <Zardoz> and sometime get the manager and take their time up too...
[4:51] <Zardoz> I tell them that too
[4:52] <Zardoz> I also tell them I use my phone for most things... :P
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[4:52] <Zardoz> I am sure they love me at the office. but I dont give a +beep+
[4:53] <Berg> I still use real money
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[4:54] <Berg> if they dont have a agent for bills they dont get paid
[4:54] <Berg> simple
[4:54] <Zardoz> I dont so much anymore.
[4:54] <Berg> debt collector says you owe us money i say come get it
[4:54] <Berg> they do
[4:55] <shauno> I pay almost everything by direct debit. I do nothing, bills just pay themselves
[4:55] <Berg> too much chance of being robbed
[4:56] <Berg> least if they show up in person and try to rob you you have some one to shoot at
[4:56] <Berg> :)
[4:56] <shauno> well, that's not so much a 90s problem, as an 1890s problem. but sounds fun
[4:56] <Berg> sure works for me
[4:56] <Berg> :)
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[5:02] <[Saint]> Pro Tip: If a debt collector calls you and says "you owe N" just flatly deny it, and hang up.
[5:02] <[Saint]> In many locales acknowledging the debt is crucial.
[5:03] <[Saint]> The debt collector /chose/ to take on the debt, at cents on the dollar, assuming they could bully you into it. Let them whistle for it.
[5:04] <[Saint]> If they show up, ask them to leave. Threaten to call the police if they don't, and follow through if they persist, and trespass them from your address.
[5:04] <[Saint]> If you persist they'll get bored long before you do.
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[5:13] <jrowe47> so google has told me that there isnt a way to check power input / usage from cli
[5:13] <jrowe47> is this correct?
[5:14] <ball> jrowe47: Depends on your OS, I imagine.
[5:14] <jrowe47> vanilla raspbian
[5:14] <ball> Ah, I don't know Linux.
[5:14] <jrowe47> just got my first raspberry pis a couple weeks ago and I'm exploring
[5:15] <jrowe47> the inland usb hub i got was underpowered, and now I have a pair of J5Creates, and the little rainbow underpower indicator is gone
[5:15] <jrowe47> but I was just wondering if theres a way to explicitly check it out from within the pi itself :)
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[5:29] <[Saint]> jrowe47: that's basically a symptom of the GPU saying "There's not enough juice to do this", so it must be upstream of the pi itself.
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[5:30] <nickgaw> Hi, I am running debian Jessie and have a raspberrypi model 3b what is the best method for cross compiling for my raspberrypi on my and64 based system?
[5:35] <jrowe47> anyone know a good ide for luajit on the pi?
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[5:46] <jrowe47> i love the fact that i have 10+ apps and some 40+ iceweasel tabs open
[5:46] <jrowe47> pi3 rocks :D
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[6:13] <iKarith> 40+ tabs and 10+ apps open? How has his Pi 3 not crashed OOM?
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[6:23] <Zardoz> swap
[6:23] <Zardoz> por sdcard getting trached though.
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[7:12] <GaiusAurus> I'm trying to reformat a fresh NOOBS image on a (probably corrupted) SD card with gparted, but it gives this error every time: "/dev/mmcblk0: unrecognised disk label" even after I put a partition table on it (without errors). Anyone have anything to help me?
[7:13] <GaiusAurus> or is my SD card FUBAR?
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[7:20] <GRiZL0C> what's a FUBAR?
[7:21] <GaiusAurus> f'd up beyond all recognition
[7:21] <GaiusAurus> aka I need another
[7:22] <GRiZL0C> you dont have an sd card adapter and card slot on a windows machine?
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[7:22] <GaiusAurus> I'm using an adapter and gparted on another linux machine
[7:22] <GRiZL0C> does it recognise the micro sd card?
[7:23] <GaiusAurus> gparted sees it, but I get that error
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[7:23] <GaiusAurus> it mounts
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[7:24] <GRiZL0C> i think its better to use a program called sd card formatter (google it) and if a windows machine sees the micro sd card as storage device you should format it with sd card formatter and also check the resize option so it formats the whole sd card
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[7:25] <GaiusAurus> I don't have a windows machine
[7:26] <GRiZL0C> yep thats a problem
[7:26] <GRiZL0C> can't you do something with diskpart command?
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[7:28] <GRiZL0C> oh forget what i said
[7:28] <GRiZL0C> diskpart is a dos command not linux
[7:28] <GRiZL0C> damn
[7:28] <GaiusAurus> lol
[7:29] <GaiusAurus> gparted and the cli parted is the most common linux version
[7:29] <GRiZL0C> i can understand that there is no one else here to help you
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[7:30] <GaiusAurus> I'll ask on /r/raspbery_pi and see if there's anyone there who can help
[7:30] <GaiusAurus> thanks for trying though
[7:30] <GRiZL0C> good luck
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[8:35] <Berg> gnome-disk-utility 3.10.0
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[9:01] <kareeoleez> has anyone installed openBSD on a RPI ?
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[9:02] <Zardoz> yes a long time ago
[9:02] <Zardoz> like on the RPI1b
[9:03] <Zardoz> do they still offer it?
[9:08] <Zardoz> oh yeah that was netbsd. looks like up to RPI2
[9:09] <Jonno_FTW> anyone got experience with Win iot?
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[9:42] <Flipper> Hey, I'm trying to connect a 1602A display to my raspberry pi but cannot get it to even light up. http://imgur.com/a/Jw85O here is an album of what should allow it to light up. Any help would be appriciated.
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[9:43] <GRiZL0C> test
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[9:45] <Jonno_FTW> you passed the test
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[9:56] <Hitechcg> test failed
[9:56] <Berg> arbitration needed?
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[10:20] <Flipper> Hey, I'm trying to connect a 1602A display to my raspberry pi but cannot get it to even light up. http://imgur.com/a/Jw85O here is an album of what should allow it to light up. Any help would be appriciated.
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[10:27] <ShorTie> if that is your wiring, it's not right
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[10:27] <yellabs-r2> hi there
[10:28] <yellabs-r2> whats the place to share some raspberry pi code ?
[10:29] <ShorTie> github
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[10:32] <maxbots|mtw> Hi folks. I'm trying to download the latest raspbian image directly to my pi (required to install OctoPi), but it is always failing after just a couple minutes. I have tried both using CURL and downloading it directly using the browser.
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[10:32] <maxbots|mtw> Any ideas what the problem might be?
[10:33] <maxbots|mtw> I have plenty of space on the SD card
[10:33] <ShorTie> can't download the image directly to a sdcard
[10:33] <maxbots|mtw> I am just saving the file from within the os
[10:33] <maxbots|mtw> I am not trying to flash it
[10:33] <ShorTie> gotta download the image, then extract it to a sdcrad
[10:33] <maxbots|mtw> Yeah, I did that
[10:34] <ShorTie> maybe wget ??
[10:34] <Flipper> Shortie , what is the correct wiring? I just need to check the display turns on .
[10:34] <maxbots|mtw> For some reason I can't fathom, even though I have a fresh install of Raspbian, Octopi requires you to have the image itself on the SD cars https://github.com/guysoft/OctoPi
[10:35] <maxbots|mtw> Will try wget
[10:35] <ShorTie> So So Sorry Flipper, don't remember all the wires off the top of my head, but that sure doesn't look right to me
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[10:36] <Flipper> Following this guide: https://learn.adafruit.com/drive-a-16x2-lcd-directly-with-a-raspberry-pi/overview
[10:36] <Flipper> it says the display should power on.
[10:37] <maxbots|mtw> Ok, downloading with wget, we'll see if it has better luck...
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[10:38] <maxbots|mtw> Failed at 96mb, though it is retrying and continuing
[10:39] <maxbots|mtw> seems to be working. Thanks for the suggestion!
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[10:45] <maxbots|mtw> Failed 8 times so far, and I am only at 70%, but at least it successfully restatrs now
[10:45] <maxbots|mtw> 8 times
[10:45] <maxbots|mtw> err 9
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[10:48] <maxbots|mtw> Woot! Success, only failed 11 times in the process (not counting the several failures with curl & the browser)
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[10:59] <whyz> hi. do all digital input pins have internal pullup/pulldown resistors? i'm getting mixed signals from my googling
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[11:16] <gordonDrogon> whyz, they have them to save money on fitting external ones.
[11:17] <gordonDrogon> if you're making a million of something and need a pull-up, then that's going to cost you an extra million pennies to make.
[11:18] <whyz> i'm not worried about the cost, but would like to remove some components if i can to keep things clean
[11:18] <gordonDrogon> so use the internal ones if you can.
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[11:24] <whyz> last time i checked (for the model B) , if i remember correctly, there were only 2 internal pullups. has this changed in later versions?
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[11:24] <gordonDrogon> no... but that's not correct.
[11:24] <gordonDrogon> all Pi models (not zero/cm) have 2 external pull-ups - on the I2C pins.
[11:25] <gordonDrogon> all other usable GPIOs have programmable pull up/down internal resistors.
[11:25] <whyz> ok, thanks
[11:25] <gordonDrogon> actually the zero has the external ones too - they're 1k8.
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[11:54] <VoidAccess> Hi
[11:56] <gordonDrogon> morning...
[11:56] <[Saint]> lies.
[11:56] <VoidAccess> Gud morning to u too
[11:58] <VoidAccess> Just buyed raspberry pi 2 b+
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[12:08] <Newk> lol @ [Saint]
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[12:10] <[Saint]> Newk: One of the perks of living in the future.
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[12:11] <[Saint]> saint@saint-desktop:~$ date
[12:11] <[Saint]> Sun May 22 22:11:00 NZST 2016
[12:11] <[Saint]> ...I'll sell you the lottery numbers for a small extortionate fee.
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[13:32] <mohsen_1> Does Raspbian image need to be installed like regularly desktop linux distros?
[13:33] <oq> no
[13:33] <oq> you dd the image, put it in the pi, and it works
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[13:39] <ashmew2> And as I realized today, Don\t forget to take back your lost SD Card space using raspi-config
[13:39] <ashmew2> which is pretty straightforward
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[13:40] <oq> ashmew2: iirc in the very latest version of raspbian its supposed to do that automatically now
[13:41] <ashmew2> oq, Cool! I was running the 2016-03 raspbian lite
[13:41] <ashmew2> I'll check out the latest one . Thanks oq :)
[13:42] <oq> ashmew2: they mention it towards the end of this post, https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/another-update-raspbian/
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[13:58] <mohsen_1> Does the installation of raspbian require partitioning the disk?
[13:58] <ShorTie> na
[13:58] <ShorTie> just install the image
[13:59] <GeekOfflineNL> mohsen_1, bij disk you mean SDcard?
[14:00] <GeekOfflineNL> just use any iamge to SDcard wrtiting program. Depending on the OS you are to create a SDcard for your pi.
[14:01] <ashmew2> mohsen_1, https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/installation/installing-images/README.md
[14:01] <ashmew2> oq, I could only find the auto login using raspi-config.
[14:02] <ashmew2> When flashing a new Raspbian image, the file system will automatically be expanded to use all the space on the card when it is first booted.
[14:02] <ashmew2> ah this
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[14:02] <ashmew2> Not sure if this is a good feature :) What if someone wants to hack around in the free space on the card.
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[14:04] <ShorTie> no it doesn't
[14:04] <GeekOfflineNL> ashmew2, is this automatically done? Must be new feature. I had to expand the filesystems with raspi-config until now
[14:04] <ShorTie> you have to expand
[14:05] <ashmew2> GeekOfflineNL, yes, I had the same opinion as you till a few minutes ago when oq pointed out this article about the raspbian update : https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/another-update-raspbian/
[14:05] <ashmew2> I had to manually expand on 2016-03 image
[14:05] <ashmew2> ShorTie, ^
[14:06] <GeekOfflineNL> When flashing a new Raspbian image, the file system will automatically be expanded to use all the space on the card when it is first booted
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[14:06] <GeekOfflineNL> so you are right :-)
[14:07] <ashmew2> Yeah, but I'm not sure if it's a good feature tbh
[14:07] <ashmew2> People might wanna multiplex more partitions when they prepare the sd card
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[14:07] <ashmew2> it would be bad if / just took over everything
[14:07] <GeekOfflineNL> now if they could just make 105 keys keyboard US intenational the default............. ;-)
[14:07] <ashmew2> heh
[14:07] <GeekOfflineNL> instead of the UK one
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[14:08] <Roonix> *Puts on his Union Jack undies and salutes the Queen" Nevaaaaahhh!!
[14:08] <GeekOfflineNL> ashmew2, i think for about most of the people using pi's this suto expanding feature is just fine.
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[14:09] <ashmew2> hmm, yeah and you can always use arch-ARM for extra bleeding edge ;)
[14:09] <BurtyB> ashmew2, id you don't want it to expand you can remove the init= part in cmdline.txt before first boot
[14:10] <ashmew2> BurtyB, Cool :)
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[14:10] <Lunastyx> hey guys!
[14:11] <ashmew2> hi Lunastyx
[14:11] <GeekOfflineNL> hi
[14:12] <Lunastyx> I have developped an app in java and I'd like to have a virtual keyboard below my app. How can I achieve that easily?
[14:12] <Lunastyx> (it's basicly a login screen)
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[14:13] <ashmew2> errr, maybe try #java?
[14:13] <Lunastyx> haha true
[14:13] <ashmew2> :)
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[14:14] <Chunkyz> 'elo
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[14:58] <jjido> Hi. I keep running out of disk space when I try to upgrade the system. Can I tell apt-get to skip Wolfram?
[14:59] <ShorTie> you can remove it if you want
[14:59] <ShorTie> how big is your sdcard ??
[14:59] <Zardoz> have you epanded the filesystem
[14:59] <jjido> How? On the command line
[14:59] <jjido> The fs is 2.9GB
[14:59] <ashmew2> jjido, raspi-config
[14:59] <ashmew2> first option
[15:00] <jjido> The SD card is 8GB
[15:00] <ashmew2> jjido, use raspi-config to expand the file system
[15:00] <Zardoz> raspi-config
[15:00] <jjido> It complains about partitions
[15:02] <ShorTie> did you start with noobs or some other image ??
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[15:03] <jjido> Noobs
[15:03] <Zardoz> yuck
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[15:03] <ShorTie> ya, noobs is partition happy
[15:03] <ShorTie> i'd go with a straight image
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[15:03] <Zardoz> <--- does not like noobs
[15:04] <jjido> Should I uninstall Wolfram ?
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[15:04] <ShorTie> do you use it ??
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[15:04] <jancoow> Hi there. I'm experimenting with a mpu6050. Because i want to use it as a wireless controller, i want only a sample rate of around the 30 samples per second from the DMP. But i'm unable to figure out how to set this
[15:04] <GeekOfflineNL> or just copy your personal stuff to a USB stick and start from fresh with raspbian image?
[15:04] <jjido> Shortie: didn't so far
[15:05] <ShorTie> remove it then
[15:05] <ShorTie> you can always just reinstall it if you need it
[15:05] <jjido> How? Apt-get remove wolfram?
[15:06] <ShorTie> i'd use a lower case a, but ya
[15:06] <Chunkyz> sudo apt-get autoremove wolfram && sudo apt-get autoclean <
[15:06] <ShorTie> or purge
[15:06] <Chunkyz> maybe "sudo apt-get autoremove wolfram --purge && sudo apt-get autoclean"
[15:07] <jjido> Thanks
[15:08] <Chunkyz> 90MB ram idle with hexchat open. I love my pi. :p
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[15:09] <Chunkyz> oops
[15:09] <Chunkyz> :/
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[15:53] <m1dnight_> Whenever I start my raspberrypi I can start streaming video. But once I cancel it and want to restart it fails and I have to reboot. Here is a log file: https://www.refheap.com/119442
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[15:53] <m1dnight_> The first attempt succeeds. The second attempt shows me an error that is supposedly a PSU problem? And the second error didn't give me much on google..
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[15:56] <ShorTie> sounds like to me your not shutting down the 'first attempt' correctly so the resources are availible for the 2nd try
[15:57] <Zardoz> VLC for me playing video was very problematic.
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[15:58] <m1dnight_> Well, it works fine the first try, doesn't the second. htop doens't show anything I can spot.
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[16:02] <Chunkyz> time to see, to see time. IN AND OUT!
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[16:55] <iKarith> 'morning Pi People :)
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[16:57] <ruurd> I'm more an e-person
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[17:03] <Zardoz> ruurd: e-Pi person?
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[17:06] <methuzla> or, in first person, -1 ? (e^Pi*I)
[17:06] <Zardoz> hah
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[17:07] <ruurd> yes yes yes reality is complex. it has real and imaginary parts
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[17:56] <doublehp> when i launch some aps, my rPi v1 tends to freese. What are the main known reasons for freese ? CPU used at 75%, memory at 25% (65% free), load around 1.3. Could it be overheat ? bad PSU ?
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[17:56] <Zardoz> high cpu most like
[17:56] <Zardoz> usage
[17:57] <Zardoz> also you might have a slow sd card
[17:57] <mfa298> if it's a Pi1 could also be low memory and swapping.
[17:57] <methuzla> poor power is often an issue
[17:57] <mfa298> depending on what apps
[17:57] <Zardoz> he is at 25% mfa298
[17:58] <Zardoz> but true
[17:58] <methuzla> what are you using for power?
[17:58] <Zardoz> if the app is usting 700k at once I guess
[17:59] <Zardoz> also if the cpu is heating up to 80c it will throttle
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[17:59] <mfa298> 25% total memory used seems a bit low to be real, I've got a pi with almost nothing running and thats at 2/3's memory used
[17:59] <nid0> cpu is a slowdown (whether it's the main one or not is questionable) if your 1.3 load is genuine, thats over 100% usage
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[18:00] <Zardoz> and that was my first statement
[18:02] <doublehp> mfa298: no swap at all; 65% memory free; little uSD access (in the matter of 5kB/s)
[18:02] <doublehp> PSU: baught 5V 2A in china
[18:02] <nid0> whats your full free -m output?
[18:02] <methuzla> doublehp, what about cable being used for power?
[18:03] <Zardoz> I would say just high cpu usage.
[18:03] <doublehp> is there a temp probe inside the CPU ?
[18:03] <Zardoz> yes
[18:03] <doublehp> mfa298: I have rebooted; and 2h after running my app, crash again; this rPi is really doing almost nothing; without the app, it's doing ... absolutely nothing
[18:03] <Zardoz> what pi do you have?
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[18:04] <doublehp> high load is due to intense access to USB-serial port; 40% user time, 40% system
[18:05] <doublehp> when i kill the app, i come down to 7% useage
[18:05] <Zardoz> jezz yeah
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[18:05] <Zardoz> what are you pumping thru that?
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[18:06] <curlyears> *wow* you guys are here today. Last couple of days, I couldn't connect to this channel for some reason
[18:06] <doublehp> nid0: http://pastebin.com/3e6Upijh before starting app
[18:06] <Zardoz> curlyears: we had you blocked... ahaha j/k
[18:06] <doublehp> Zardoz: rPi v1; what if I reduce the frequency ?
[18:07] <Zardoz> doublehp: you found your problem
[18:07] <doublehp> i can, if it can help, add capacitors on PSU (on the board), and heat sink ... of even a fan
[18:07] <doublehp> ATM, the rpi board is open (np box around)
[18:07] <Zardoz> will not help.
[18:08] <mfa298> doublehp: what is the app you'r using ?
[18:08] <Zardoz> slow system high useage.
[18:08] <semitones> Hey
[18:08] <curlyears> doublehp: do you have heatsinks on the processor and ERAM chips?
[18:08] <curlyears> s/E//
[18:08] <doublehp> curlyears: no
[18:08] <Zardoz> guys he has a pi 1
[18:08] <doublehp> mfa298: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1295917&page=2#post34818782
[18:09] <doublehp> Zardoz: and ?
[18:10] <mfa298> do you get any messages as it crashes ?, also what exactly is crashing/freezing ?
[18:10] <Zardoz> it's going to be usage.
[18:10] <doublehp> mfa298: no monitor connected
[18:11] <Zardoz> over use for what the RPi1 can do... you are maxing it out and it slows down
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[18:11] <doublehp> mfa298: nothing special in SSH cessions; maybe i could add, i forget the name of that feature, to send critical KP alert messages to console (it's an option of syslog that can send KP dumps to active ssh cessions; off by default for security)
[18:11] <Zardoz> you max out cpu and IO on any system it will do that....
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[18:12] <mfa298> doublehp: is it the whole pi that's freezing ?
[18:12] <doublehp> mfa298: stops responding to ping; stops communicating with i2c stuff
[18:12] <curlyears> might be a good idea, doublehp
[18:13] <mfa298> I suspect some sort of way to get console messages would be useful, local screen / serial console
[18:13] <doublehp> monitor would go sleep ... way before the crash
[18:13] <mfa298> depending on what's breaking you might not get much over remote syslog/ssh or a local log file.
[18:13] <mfa298> you can turn off screen blanking fairly easily
[18:14] <doublehp> so; apart from a monitor, what do you want me to do ?
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[18:14] <doublehp> capacitor on PSU, and heat sink are useless ?
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[18:14] <jjido> I used a fresh raspbian image and booted my Pi. But there is no sound
[18:14] <jjido> I switched between hdmi and analog, went to sound settings and added the pcm device. Sound level to max.
[18:15] <mfa298> I tihnk you need to find out why it's crashing first. Trying to fix a problem without knowing what the issue is won't be easy
[18:15] <doublehp> chips are above 45�C (but below 60)
[18:15] <jjido> I used a fresh raspbian image and booted my Pi. But there is no sound
[18:15] <jjido> I switched between hdmi and analog, went to sound settings and added the pcm device. Sound level to max.
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[18:17] <Zardoz> jjido: amixer cset numid=3 1 in the term
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[18:36] <HerculeP> jjido: try and add "dtparam=audio=on" to your /boot/config.txt
[18:37] <HerculeP> no quotes of course
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[18:49] <Smeef> I've got this really tiny pocket pc project I'm working on, and I'm pretty sure I'll never find a keyboard small enough to integrate into it. Are there any other input devices that can be used in lieu of a keyboard?
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[18:50] <Smeef> Best I can come up with is a game pad that can select keys on an on screen keyboard
[18:50] <mgottschlag> touchscreen (or even just a capacitiv touch layer on top of printed paper keyboard)
[18:50] <mgottschlag> or you can design your own capacitive keyboard with a PCB
[18:51] <Smeef> I'm dealing with a 2 inch display, so touchscreen is out of the question :P
[18:53] <mgottschlag> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/ICSH044A-ICSTATION-Blackberry-Trackball-Breakout-Board/32568111155.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.2.NHkDKQ&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_0,searchweb201602_1_10017_10021_507_10022_10020_10009_10008_10018_10019_101,searchweb201603_9&btsid=d7d0ac87-3c49-424d-9f38-6a0c467983b6
[18:53] <mgottschlag> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/5-PCS-LOT-accessories-blackberry-8310-8310-8310-8800-8820-9630-9000-white-trackball/32576090205.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.10.NHkDKQ&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_0,searchweb201602_1_10017_10021_507_10022_10020_10009_10008_10018_10019_101,searchweb201603_9&btsid=d7d0ac87-3c49-424d-9f38-6a0c467983b6
[18:53] <mgottschlag> at that sizes, you probably should design your own PCBs
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[18:53] <mgottschlag> 1. you save a lot of space 2. it's fun and you learn something :)
[18:54] <mgottschlag> but yeah, custom user interface with a letter scroll bar or something like that operated by a trackball/capacitive slider/digital direction pad
[18:55] <Smeef> thanks, I'd love to fit a trackball in somehwere
[18:55] <mgottschlag> oh, last possibility: speech input
[18:55] <Smeef> somewhere*
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[19:03] <niston> mgottschlag: know of any hobbyist way to create a transparent capacitive touch pad?
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[19:05] <mgottschlag> no, that's difficult, but why does it need to be capacitive?
[19:05] <mgottschlag> you might find 2-3" capacitive pads for screens of that size on aliexpress/ebay
[19:05] <doublehp> had the freese again: nothing written on monitor
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[19:10] <Rickta59> do you have a usb-serial dongle doublehp ?
[19:10] <doublehp> Rickta59: 2 on the rpi
[19:10] <mgottschlag> Smeef: https://www.element14.com/community/dtss-images/uploads/devtool/image/large/Freedom+development+platform+for+Kinetis+KL25+5511ec1724fbe.png <- the part on the right is a linear capacitive slider, pretty easy if you build your own PCB (the hard part is the microcontroller which measures the signal)
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[19:11] <Rickta59> connect it up to a pc and see what is going on doublehp
[19:11] <doublehp> then i need a 3rd ...
[19:11] <Rickta59> i'm talking about connecting it to the uart gpio pins
[19:12] <Rickta59> GPIO14/GPIO15
[19:12] <Rickta59> or ssh into it
[19:12] <Rickta59> from a pc and dmesg
[19:13] <doublehp> Rickta59: i already have ssh, and it says nothing
[19:13] <Rickta59> top ?
[19:13] <doublehp> 20% iddle
[19:13] <Rickta59> so how is that frozen?
[19:13] <doublehp> that's the point if the question i asked 1h ago
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[19:18] <jaggz> how do I enable watchdog to reboot if the system is locked up?
[19:18] <jaggz> my sprinklers turned on, and apparently my rpi crashed after it turned them on
[19:19] <jaggz> seriously.. that's bad timing.
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[19:19] <jaggz> but I didn't get to go hook up a monitor to see if there was some system message.. just had someone unplug it
[19:19] <Rickta59> did you try running your script with 'set +x' to see where it is hanging doublehp ?
[19:20] <Rickta59> it appears your app is a large bash script
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[19:21] <doublehp> Rickta59: it's not possible to use +x on this; too many iterations; it crashes randomly, after 18h at cold, and below 1h when hot; that's why my question was turning around hardware aspects
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[19:22] <Kouki> Hello guys.
[19:22] <doublehp> it's not a memory issue; execution is completely linear, and memory usage is completely flat; it's not coherent with the crash pattern; the more i wait before relaunch, the longer it will take to crash again, so, sounds thermal issue (or electric)
[19:23] <Kouki> Is there alternative for Kodi in Retropie? Whole distro with stable kodi + emulationstation?
[19:24] <Kouki> I ask because I installed kodi in my retropie, but it went buggy :/ If I start it, it can boot few instances on startup (few bootups, when I leave it, it comes to other instance).
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[19:27] <matthias-> So, seems that startup services are not working for me
[19:27] <matthias-> [ - ] deluge-daemon
[19:27] <matthias-> [ - ] deluged
[19:27] <matthias-> sonarr doesnt want to work ...
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[19:49] <calamari> do any Pi 2 GPIOS have pull-up resistors set by default? if you know of a document describing this, that'd be perfect
[19:49] <gordonDrogon> calamari, the I2C pins - if you're not using I2C ...
[19:50] <gordonDrogon> they have hard-wired pull-ups. (1K8)
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[19:50] <calamari> thanks
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[19:52] <calamari> if I write an overlay, will it disturb any of the default settings for the GPIOs I don't specify?
[19:53] <gordonDrogon> it shouldn't - but be aware that it will not apply at power-up - it'll take a few milliseconds if you're setting the pull-up/downs.
[19:53] <gordonDrogon> there are default states for the pull up/downs - they're in the broadcom arm peripherals manual which is on the raspberrypi.org website.
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[20:00] <calamari> found it, thanks!
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[20:17] <calamari> for a push-button switch, besides the lack of 3.3v pins available, is there any advantage to using pull-up vs pull-down?
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[20:17] <gordonDrogon> saves you using an external resistor.
[20:17] <gordonDrogon> but no difference either way up or down.
[20:18] <calamari> oh, what happens in I don't use a resistor?
[20:18] <calamari> *if
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> just to your code reading the button.
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> if the internal ones are not connected and you don't externally bias the input then you'll just read random noise.
[20:18] <methuzla> floating floaty floatness
[20:18] <calamari> I thought that's what the pull-down would do?
[20:19] <gordonDrogon> ITYM Floaty Mc Floatface there, methuzla ;-)
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[20:19] <gordonDrogon> calamari, yes, either the pull-down with the button connected from gpio to 3.3v or pull-up with the button connected from gpio to 0v.
[20:19] <calamari> okay cool
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[20:19] <calamari> thanks for the double-check, don't want to burn up anything :)
[20:20] <methuzla> what do you mean 'lack of 3.3v pins' ?
[20:20] <gordonDrogon> just don't make the pin an output then push the button...
[20:20] <calamari> methuzla: at least on my pi 2, I have two 3.3v but I have 8 gnd pins
[20:21] <gordonDrogon> you can use a 3.3v pin for many buttons ...
[20:21] <methuzla> do you not have a breadboard?
[20:21] <calamari> I have one
[20:22] <calamari> it's convenience, I can get away without it
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[20:23] <methuzla> so you're just straight connecting buttons to gpio pins?
[20:24] <methuzla> GPIO -> button -> GND
[20:25] <methuzla> and a different GPIO and GND for each button?
[20:28] <calamari> yep
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[20:31] <methuzla> so, yeah, 8 buttons max, pulling up
[20:32] <methuzla> i think the choice of pull up vs. down matters if you have more going on in the circuit
[20:33] <Crom> Chillum, nice I have a 30amp 5v supply...
[20:33] <Chillum> very handy
[20:33] <Crom> ack.. old conversation
[20:34] <Crom> and there you are
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[20:34] <Crom> mainly using it to be a 5v buss supply for charging usb power packs
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[20:47] <gordonDrogon> you can use a 3.3v pin for many buttons ...
[20:47] <gordonDrogon> wrong repeat. oops.
[20:47] <methuzla> still true though
[20:47] <matthias-> So, sonarr, deluge all work when i start them up myself. However they refuse to startup at boot...
[20:48] <matthias-> Anyone could hold my hand here? :)
[20:48] <methuzla> are the i2c pull-ups external to the SOC?
[20:48] <matthias-> ah misclick
[20:48] <matthias-> srr not here
[20:48] <methuzla> so BCM 2 & 3 can't really be used in pull-down config?
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[20:49] <Habbie> methuzla, that's right, those two are pulled up to 3.3v by a 1.8k Ohm resistor
[20:49] <Habbie> methuzla, why does it matter whether it's external to the SoC? did you feel like unsoldering the pullups?
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[20:50] <methuzla> you couldn't hook up a switch to those and config for pull-down, for ex.
[20:50] <Habbie> well yes, but that issue happens both internal and external
[20:51] <Habbie> (I don't know whether it's int or ext, to be clear)
[20:51] <methuzla> no, the internal ones are configurable
[20:51] <Habbie> ack
[20:51] <methuzla> external is what it is
[20:51] <Habbie> it could be internal and fixed
[20:51] <Habbie> i don't see why not
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[20:52] <methuzla> then i'd expected them to be disconnected if the pins are configured for general input (not i2c)
[20:52] <Habbie> maybe
[20:52] <Habbie> datasheet would probably tell :)
[20:52] <Habbie> are you running out of pins? just curious
[20:53] <methuzla> no. previous conversation got me thinking.
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[20:53] <Habbie> if you find out how this works physically i'd love to hear it
[20:53] <methuzla> i don't think i've done anything but i2c on those pins.
[20:53] <Habbie> ah
[20:54] <Habbie> because those do hardware i2c while on other pins you need to emulate in software?
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[21:02] <methuzla> indeed, pin always reads 1
[21:02] <methuzla> and RPi.GPIO prints warning: A physical pull up resistor is fitted on this channel!
[21:03] <Habbie> that's nice of RPi.GPIO
[21:03] <gordonDrogon> wiringPi doesn't care ...
[21:03] <gordonDrogon> it does what you tell it - even if you're doing something weird ...
[21:03] <Habbie> except it really doesn't
[21:03] <Habbie> because it can
[21:03] <Habbie> i bet RPi.GPIO has a list of weird pins
[21:04] <Habbie> that message didn't come from the kernel i bet
[21:05] <methuzla> but the resulting behavior is not what one would expect, nice to have a heads up as to why
[21:05] <Habbie> wiringPi is for experts ;)
[21:05] <Habbie> prototype in python, deploy in C
[21:06] <gordonDrogon> wiringPi works well in BASIC.
[21:06] <Habbie> gordonDrogon, maybe you would accept patches making it more friendly in this regard?
[21:06] <gordonDrogon> Habbie, not really.
[21:06] <Habbie> ok :)
[21:07] <gordonDrogon> it starts to get complicated when you try to stop the user doing something which others might appear to be stupid. e.g. maybe someone really did un-solder the I2C pullups on their Pi.
[21:07] <gordonDrogon> and e.g. the CM doesn't have them fitted.
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[21:07] <Habbie> the CM is resistorfree on BCM2+3?
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[21:08] <Habbie> so that answers methuzla's question about whether those pullups where in the SOC
[21:08] <gordonDrogon> I'd have to check, but I'm fairly sure the CM has as little on it as possible...
[21:08] <Habbie> sure
[21:08] <Habbie> but if those resistors where in the SOC CM would still have them of course
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[21:10] <methuzla> i'd think internal i2c pull-ups would be a bad idea, value depends on application
[21:10] <methuzla> kind of like current limiting resistors for leds
[21:10] <Habbie> right
[21:10] <gordonDrogon> the internal 50K ones would work for slower speeds and short wires.
[21:10] <gordonDrogon> at least I think they would - based on ATmega anyway where they do.
[21:11] <methuzla> i've also noted that some vendors put pull-ups on their i2c based gadgets
[21:11] <matthias-> So, installed Deluge + Jackett + Sonarr; all works when i run them after logging in - but cannot seem to make them run at start. Any ideas where I could start looking?
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[21:13] <GRiZL0C> its so nice that with raspberry pi 3 there are so many os images you can install like raspbian / ubuntu mate kali linux arch linux chrome os and many other os's and it doesnt matter if you're not familiar with it just format the sd card and start a fresh copy :)
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[21:13] <matthias-> (on raspbian)
[21:14] <GRiZL0C> i really love my Pi 3 its a great device
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[21:15] <GRiZL0C> i mainly use my one raspberry pi as irc machine and the other one for libreelec (kodi)
[21:15] <GRiZL0C> gosh i really need to learn linux
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[21:28] <jrg> is there somewhere that sells larger cases for these embedded boards?
[21:28] <jrg> like a rpi or bpi case with space for a hard drive?
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[21:31] <Polymorphism> just 3d print one
[21:31] <Polymorphism> jrg,
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[21:35] <jrg> Polymorphism: ah ok. damn. was hoping someone made something for these embedded boards
[21:36] <Polymorphism> link the board?
[21:36] <jrg> especially with boards with the antenna connection and sata connection albeit on a usb2 bus :/
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[21:37] <jrg> http://www.bananapi.com/index.php/component/content/article?layout=edit&id=85
[21:37] <jrg> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_Pi#Banana_Pi_M3
[21:37] <jrg> or that one
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[21:40] <jrg> too bad the pi3 doesn't have gbit yet :/
[21:40] <jrg> otherwise i'd have gotten one
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[21:41] <pcmerc> if you use a usb3 to gig you can get better then 10/100
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[21:48] <jrg> pcmerc: ah. guess that's a fair point.
[21:48] <jrg> but the controller on the rpi3 already uses the usb bus doesn't it?
[21:48] <pcmerc> I use a pi3's as firewalls in certain env's
[21:49] <jrg> might as well slap a cheap gbit controller on there :)
[21:49] <pcmerc> just depends on the connectivity speeds required
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[21:49] <jrg> bpi doesn't have the 64bit cpu tho
[21:49] <jrg> although i guess that only comes in handy under certain situations
[21:50] <jrg> like connecting > 2TB to the sata port
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[21:52] <pcmerc> I'd always take 64 or 32 lol
[21:52] <pcmerc> my custom firewall builds run alot better on the 3 than the 2
[21:52] <pcmerc> ram helps as well
[21:52] <pcmerc> or 32 = over
[21:52] <jrg> i wonder how well a bpi can be used since it has onboard wifi
[21:53] <pcmerc> bpi is still 10/100
[21:53] <jrg> i still haven't figured out how to use the microsd when booting from the onboard emmc tho
[21:53] <pcmerc> I believe
[21:53] <jrg> bpi M3 is gbit
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[21:53] <pcmerc> oh ok
[21:53] <jrg> that's what i have now
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[21:53] <jrg> i was using a rpi1 as a shell box but it just didn't have enough power
[21:53] <jrg> the bpi runs ridiculously hot tho
[21:53] <jrg> even with a heatsink on it
[21:55] <notenoughmineral> hi, for some unknown reasons my RPi doesnt boot anymore, I've plugged the sdcard in my laptop but dont know what logs I should look at to find some logs errors
[21:55] <jrg> which pi?
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[21:56] <jrg> i know the original pi1 had issues with SD corruption when overclocking or running turbo
[21:56] <jrg> maybe /var/log/syslog or messages?
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[21:56] <raff0z> hi to all
[21:56] <jrg> although if it isn't booting at all you might not really get any logs
[21:57] <quasar_71> i'd need an online radio streamer which can run through the terminal and has a minimal load
[21:57] <quasar_71> mplayer is not working optimally
[21:58] <notenoughmineral> jrg: model RPi 2 b+
[21:58] <notenoughmineral> last logs stopped at 17 May in /var/log/syslog
[21:58] <raff0z> i need some infos because i think that i'll get a RPi3 :) can i run Plex Media Server on that device without lag? i want to stream contents to a chromecast or, if RPi3 can do it, play with PMS Client installed on the same Pi
[21:59] <raff0z> is possible? how about transcoding?
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[22:03] <raff0z> no suggestions?
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[22:08] <jrg> 4 core arm?
[22:08] <jrg> probably a bit too weak
[22:08] <jrg> although my avoton seems to keep up with transcoding rather well
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[23:00] <H4ndy> jrg: streaming will work but I double transcoding will. I haven't see implementions yet of the hardware h264 encoder (which I wonder why)
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[23:15] <atracht> It's alive! http://imgur.com/izWbzZQ
[23:15] <CoJaBo> ..but why
[23:16] <atracht> it's a web server for fun
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[23:20] <jrg> lol
[23:20] <jrg> that thing is neat
[23:20] <jrg> does it do any clustering? :)
[23:20] <atracht> trying to get docker swarm on it
[23:20] <CoJaBo> atracht: I am currently trying to locate a webserver running on port 90210
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[23:21] <jrg> what kind of pi is that?
[23:21] <jrg> and is the top one the load balancer?
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[23:23] <atracht> yes, it's going to be used to run varnish
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[23:37] <notenoughmineral> jrg: i found my problem, i created a new user named "marc" and removed user "pi", even if i did reboot multiple time before and never had this problem, now i get "raspberrypi login: pi (automatic login) Authentication failure
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[23:37] <notenoughmineral> sounds logic that it fails since i deleted user "pi", but idk why now raspbian tries to autolog with this one at boot
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[23:43] <mfa298> notenoughmineral: I think autologin depends on which raspbian version you grabbed, you should be able to change it via raspi-config
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[23:44] <notenoughmineral> mfa298: yes, but i cant do raspi-config now since nobody is logged into the machine
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[23:45] <notenoughmineral> raspbian only tries to autolog user "pi", whom doesnt exist
[23:45] <matthias-> 23:27 < matthias-> Soooo, deluge Extractor instead of extracting is creating a catalogue with a name of
[23:45] <matthias-> 23:27 < matthias-> Grimm.S05E02.HDTV.x264-KILLERS.mp4
[23:45] <matthias-> 23:27 < matthias-> instead of extracting the actual file... :D
[23:45] <matthias-> 23:28 < matthias-> any suggestions?
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[23:47] <mfa298> notenoughmineral: you should be able to login as your new user (assumin you gave it a password and sudo access)
[23:48] <mfa298> if not it's probably time to reflash that sd
[23:48] <Polymorphism> anyone working with rpi + greenhouse
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[23:53] <Hitechcg> Use ctrl-alt-f2 to switch to another TTY
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[23:59] <Berg> blank screen oooowww no
[23:59] <Berg> :)

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