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IRC Log for 2016-05-25

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[0:01] <Chillum> yup
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[0:19] <Yukiku> Anyone know if you can install qBittorrent on OpenELEC?
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[0:20] <Chunkyz> Yukiku, nope.
[0:20] <Yukiku> not even if you build it yourself?
[0:20] <Chunkyz> try and find out. ;)
[0:20] <Chunkyz> Yukiku, why not use osmc?
[0:21] <Yukiku> Chunkyz: I was, but not everything worked how I liked
[0:21] <Chunkyz> like?
[0:21] <Yukiku> OpenELEC seems lighter, but is 10x less configurable
[0:21] <Yukiku> OSMC kept crashing, low DL speeds, would stop responding
[0:21] <Chunkyz> latest osmc?
[0:22] <Chunkyz> openelec is still 15.1 stable, osmc is 16.1...
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[0:22] <Yukiku> Yeah, latest osmc
[0:22] <Chunkyz> noobs?
[0:22] <Chunkyz> or straight img?
[0:22] <Yukiku> For OSMC no
[0:22] <Yukiku> straight img via their installer
[0:22] <Chunkyz> ask on #osmc
[0:23] <Yukiku> I'd also have to reconfigure everything again, heh
[0:23] <Chunkyz> imo osmc is much better and faster.
[0:23] <Chunkyz> Yukiku, sol
[0:23] <Chunkyz> :p
[0:23] <Yukiku> It'd also not connect to WiFi 6/10
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[1:04] <kromag> lol
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[1:09] <Yukiku> kromag: ?
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[1:23] <Duality> any good reference to building the rpi cross compiler tool chain (arm-linux-gnueabihf) ? i know there is this repository that has precompiled binaries in it and i am currently using it. but i just want to compile the cross compiler and get it to work once. so that i can say that i can compile a cross compiler for raspberry pi :D
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[1:24] <shiftplusone> Duality: most sane people use crosstool-ng or gentoo's crossdev. LFS is a good resource for masochists, if you're interested.
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[1:24] <ShorTie> sounds fun
[1:24] <Duality> masochists ?
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[1:25] <shiftplusone> if you enjoy pain
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[1:25] <ShorTie> mornin shiftplusone
[1:26] <shiftplusone> Ahoy
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[1:27] <sKyZ> Can anyone suggest a good car GPS software for the Pi?
[1:27] <ShorTie> i think i got everything thing but the initrd, how do you get that ??
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[1:28] <ShorTie> bcm2709-rpi-2-b.dtb overlays System.map-3.18.y vmlinuz-3.18.y
[1:30] <shiftplusone> you want the whole rootfs as initrd or you want something to run first and then switch root to some partitionm?
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[1:30] <ShorTie> something to run first and then switch root to some partitionm
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[1:33] <ShorTie> do think i need uclib yet because i can't get klibc to compile, but i should have everything else
[1:33] <shiftplusone> It's not really something that's needed anymore and I haven't done it that way recently. You'll need a minimal system packed into cpio with a script to do whatever you want then switch_root or pivot_root wherever you need and a config.txt option to tell the firmware to load the initrd and where to put it.
[1:36] <ShorTie> the script is there, it brings up the nic's and orders them numerically by mac
[1:37] <ShorTie> that way it knows if the nic's change and demands you to run setup again
[1:38] <ShorTie> that is why i need the snsc95xx as a module .. :/~
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[1:40] <ShorTie> just need a basic system
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[2:15] <kromag> Yukiku, ?
[2:16] <kromag> You rang?
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[2:27] <kromag> :: orderd:: http://goo.gl/I91H9G $32.99 iMount-TEK Lap-Desk
[2:28] <kromag> anyone ever use one?
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[2:32] <zeeshan> when you mount a cifs folder as root.. how come i can only read the files in the folder and not write?
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[2:36] <ozzzy_> zeeshan, permissions
[2:36] <[Saint]> zeeshan: short answer - because you messed up the mounting permissions
[2:36] <ozzzy_> mount it with 'users'
[2:37] <[Saint]> user=guest if you just want it to be accessible to all
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[2:38] <[Saint]> can also manage this by uid or group.
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[2:42] <zeeshan> okay will take a look
[2:42] <zeeshan> thanks
[2:42] <Expander> Hello. How would I wire in a 4 pin tact switch where so it can used on the pin that is labeled "here" in this image: https://unsee.cc/zonibemu/ ? Tact switch image: http://toscos.com/product_images/u/185/Tact_Switch__48812_zoom.jpg
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[2:47] <TrinitronX> Is the torrent tracker @ http://tracker.raspberrypi.org:6969/announce using some kind of oddball tracker? I can't get rtorrent to connect
[2:48] * [Saint] really wants to know what Google is doing with the raspberripi repository they have created in the AOSP project and not touched in over 5 weeks.
[2:48] <[Saint]> I'm most certainly /not/ getting my hopes up for Android for it.
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[2:49] <TrinitronX> neat: http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/05/24/google-is-preparing-to-add-the-raspberry-pi-3-to-aosp-it-will-apparently-become-an-officially-supported-device/
[2:49] <[Saint]> TrinitronX: note - that headline is VERY speculative
[2:49] <[Saint]> We have no idea /what/ they're preparing to do.
[2:49] <TrinitronX> indeed noted ;-)
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[2:49] <[Saint]> I sincerely doubt that Broadcomm just up and decided to stop being dicks.
[2:50] <[Saint]> But it could happen.
[2:50] <[Saint]> My guess is more along the lines of them using it with their home automation shenanigans.
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[2:50] <[Saint]> Their Amazon Echo competitor.
[2:51] <[Saint]> I would like to be surprised by GPU accelerated Android M and/or N on a Raspi. But at this stage anyone who wanted Android from an SBC already moved on from the Raspi long ago.
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[2:53] <TrinitronX> seems that it can already run on OpenMoko: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Download#Android
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[2:54] <TrinitronX> not sure how well supported, as that was only updated in 2009
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[2:58] <[Saint]> Well, Android "runs" on the Raspi as well.
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[2:58] <[Saint]> It is just an absolutely unusable mess.
[2:58] <Expander> All help is greatly appreciated
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[3:01] <TrinitronX> Hmm... so I still can't get rtorrent to connect to the raspberrypi.org tracker
[3:01] <TrinitronX> just gives the error: Tracker: [Object operator [peers] could not find element]
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[3:01] <TrinitronX> a quick search turns up a bunch of people that have run into this too... but so far no solutions
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[3:09] <ozzzy_> try a different torrent app
[3:10] <TrinitronX> yeah, seems like Transmission works
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[4:05] <nicdev> hello! i have been using pluggable 7 port usb 2.0 hub with raspberry pi model B+ and used the hub to attach 1TB HDD. i noticed that the HDD is not visible to RPi anymore. Could someone help with pointers on how to debug the issue? if i add a small 16GB flash drive, it loads correctly and is vsible from RPi. I also switched the hub to make sure it was nothing with the hub
[4:06] <nicdev> i have tried tail -f /var/log/messages and then connected the HDD. There is no effect. I also connected the HDD to a different computer to make sure it's still functional and it connected without a problem
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[4:16] <Ivoah> nicdev: have you tried connecting it straight to the Pi without a hub?
[4:16] <nicdev> Ivoah: i had not tried that (face palm). let me try that and see what happens
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[4:23] <nicdev> connecting directly makes no difference
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[4:29] <Ivoah> nicdev: Hmm, does lsusb show anything?
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[4:33] <nicdev> no, also by following system messages, there is no indication that a new device is attached
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[4:36] <nicdev> and another thing that might be related, the Pi has been dropping Ethernet connections randomly also. This is also new
[4:36] <Ivoah> Is the HDD being powered externally?
[4:36] <Ivoah> Also, is the hub a powered hub?
[4:37] <nicdev> Ivoah: I have a powered hub and power the Pi and HDD through the same hub. It's a pluggable 7 port usb 2.0 hub
[4:37] <Ivoah> so the HDD doesn't have its own PSU?
[4:37] <nicdev> no
[4:38] <Ivoah> mind sending a picture of your setup?
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[4:49] <Ivoah> nicdev: ^
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[4:53] <TrinitronX> nicdev: what's the amperage or power rating of the hub?
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[5:07] <nicdev> TrinitronX: http://plugable.com/products/usb2-hub-ag7 <--- this is the hub
[5:08] <nicdev> Ivoah: I was away for a moment, i don't have imgur account at the moment, any different site i can upload an image without an account?
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[5:08] <Ivoah> you don't need an account to upload to imgur
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[5:10] <Ivoah> nicdev: ^
[5:10] <nicdev> Ivoah: https://imgur.com/WDrM2PP
[5:10] <Ivoah> got a picture of just the HDD?
[5:11] <k_sze[work]> Hi guys, I just noticed that if my Raspberry Pi loses power and then powers back on, it creates more /media/pi/SETTINGS* directories. How can I prevent that from happening?
[5:12] <nicdev> Ivoah: the drive is cutoff in the foregroup. behind it with the light is the hub where it connects and then the Pi
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[5:14] <Ivoah> nicdev: did you run lsusb?
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[5:17] <nicdev> Ivoah: ethernet on pi dropped at the moment. will bring it up and paste the command results for lsusb
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[5:29] <nicdev> Ivoah: https://ghostbin.com/paste/36742 <--- the storage device is the red flash drive in the pic, and a usb keyboard attached on the other side of the hub
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[5:30] <Ivoah> so the HDD does show up on lsusb?
[5:30] <Ivoah> that doesn't look like normal lsusb output...
[5:31] <nicdev> that's outout of of lsusb -t
[5:31] <Ivoah> what's just lsusb
[5:32] <nicdev> Ivoah: I updated the link with the normal usb output
[5:33] <Ivoah> "Bus 001 Device 005: ID 13fe:4100 Kingston Technology Company Inc. " is the HDD a kingston device?
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[5:33] <nicdev> that's the small flash drive, the red one in the pic
[5:33] <Ivoah> ah
[5:34] <Ivoah> does lsusb look the same without the HDD plugged in?
[5:35] <nicdev> Yap, it does
[5:35] <Ivoah> :(
[5:36] <Ivoah> And you said it works fine with other computers?
[5:38] <nicdev> Ivoah: it does. I am starting to think it might have to do with power but it was working without a problem until about a day ago when i noticed it was not accessible anymore. i have not added or removed devices from the hub
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[5:38] <Ivoah> Maybe the hub half-failed
[5:38] <Ivoah> like a trace got damaged
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[5:44] <nicdev> i tried two different hubs of the same model and have the same results
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[5:44] <nicdev> my initial assumption also was the hub failure and happen to have another one so i switched them but there was no effect
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[5:47] <Ivoah> have you tried connecting the HDD to a different computer through the same hub?
[5:48] <atracht> ugh tearing my hair out, clean install of raspbian on two pi's getting connection refused on nfs-client
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[5:57] <TrinitronX> nicdev: any chance you know the power requirements of that external HDD?
[5:57] <TrinitronX> pi uses 5V 2A, which is 10W. That leaves 5W for other devices
[5:58] <TrinitronX> so at 5V, you can only power another device up to 1A current
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[5:59] <TrinitronX> based on the 15W rating on that USB hub
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[6:33] <home> hey guys
[6:33] <home> how far have you been able to overclock your RPI too?
[6:34] <home> RPI 3 if that helps, I am trying to get a good overclock on it (currently at 1300Mhz)
[6:34] <Zardoz> I have only done the SDcard controller
[6:34] <home> and?
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[6:35] <Zardoz> it's at about 83Mhz from 50
[6:35] <home> what does that do
[6:35] <Zardoz> speed up reads and wrights
[6:36] <Zardoz> next weekend I am going to do some OC on it though...
[6:36] <Zardoz> if I get to it
[6:36] <Berg> octopus counting?
[6:37] <Zardoz> I need to also switch my samsung pro back to the evo+ SDcard
[6:38] <Zardoz> Berg: hello sir
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[6:42] <home> what are some good overclocking things to do
[6:42] <home> for a Kodi machine?
[6:42] <home> the RPI right now is mainly to be used for Kodi
[6:42] <home> what are some of the things that I can adjust, it has heatsinks if it helps
[6:43] <Zardoz> dont really need to OC for kodi, rpi3 jas pleanty speed for that task
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[6:47] <Chillum> overclocking can help video game emulation
[6:48] <Zardoz> Chillum: now that it can help
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[6:49] <home> Chillum, you can play video games?
[6:49] <home> what games do you play? what would you install to play them in the first place.
[6:50] <Chillum> it does like NES and SNES and atari and a bunch of them
[6:50] <Chillum> you have to import your own rom files,but they are not hard to find
[6:50] <Chillum> there is a pre-made image that has all the emulators on it, not sure what it is called
[6:50] <Zardoz> retro-pi
[6:51] <Chillum> ^^
[6:51] <Zardoz> https://retropie.org.uk/
[6:51] <Zardoz> mmm they updated the website, looks nice.
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[6:52] <home> does it do n64?
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[6:52] <Chillum> I think it does but it struggles
[6:52] <Chillum> good candidate for overclocking and active cooling
[6:52] <home> interested in using it as a mario party machine
[6:52] <home> what overclocks did you guys get on your Pi's?
[6:53] <Chillum> I didn't
[6:54] <home> :/
[6:54] <home> what can I OC the RPI 3 upto?
[6:55] <Zardoz> as high you can take it stable. is very s from pi to pi.
[6:56] <AlmightyA> I heard the Pi 3 emulated ps1 pretty flawlessly.
[6:56] <Zardoz> yeah I think I seen something about that
[6:56] <AlmightyA> Wonder what the hang up is with N64?
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[6:57] <Zardoz> PSx emulation is nice now days.
[6:57] <home> n64
[6:57] <home> and then we talking XD
[6:58] <AlmightyA> If I've got solid PS1 emulation, I'm golden haha.
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[7:00] <Viper168> my 550mhz emachine from back in the day could emulate psx smoothly
[7:00] <Zardoz> I do most all my emulation on a shield portable.
[7:00] <Viper168> pretty much any pi should be able to run psx games
[7:00] <AlmightyA> My 500MHZ AMD K6 couldn't emulate it worth shit.
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[7:00] <Viper168> that's because you used amd :P
[7:00] <Zardoz> hah
[7:01] <AlmightyA> It died a nice death mining me bitcoin though!
[7:01] <Viper168> bleem worked greaton my machine back in the day
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[7:02] <Zardoz> what I like is all the work being done on amiga emulation as of late.
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[7:04] <Viper168> I'm more pleased with the progress in psp and ds emulation
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[7:04] <Viper168> just wish they'd get network connectivity sorted out
[7:05] <AlmightyA> Woah, that's cool.
[7:05] <Viper168> even if someone has to go make a technically illegal plugin to distribute separately
[7:05] <AlmightyA> Didn't even think as far as PSP and DS haha
[7:06] <Viper168> finally pizza time
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[7:09] <Zardoz> what kind of pizza :P
[7:09] <Zardoz> and dont tell me the round type... aahaha
[7:09] <Hitechcg> I need to get a Pyra
[7:10] <Hitechcg> Also, lol desmune has to be the worst emulator ever
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[7:11] <Zardoz> it seems to me a lot of them linux based hand helds are garbage.
[7:11] <Zardoz> just seems
[7:13] <Hitechcg> Honestly I'd probably not even game that much on one
[7:13] <Hitechcg> I want the QWERTY keyboard, the battery life, and the Linux
[7:13] <Zardoz> I mean from a stand point I love the idea.
[7:14] <Zardoz> someone will get it right I guess one day.
[7:14] <Hitechcg> Basically to replace my iPod Touch
[7:14] <Hitechcg> Which is of course jailbroken
[7:15] <Zardoz> wink
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[9:16] <Berg> is it a heat rash
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[9:34] <Thasan> time to make raspberrypi os installers to ask username/password on install? My homeserver has login attempts: "sshd[3323]: Failed password for invalid user pi from _._._._ port 34990 ssh2"
[9:36] <ShorTie> na, then you couldn't do it headless
[9:37] <Thasan> maybe fallback to default after some time or something?
[9:37] <Berg> i want my pi3 to autoconnect to wifi
[9:37] <Berg> its a failure
[9:38] <Berg> have to do it manual all the time and if your headless on wifi ita fail
[9:38] <Berg> maybe need a better os
[9:38] <Berg> jessie light is a fail
[9:38] * Berg moans
[9:38] <ShorTie> and how would you know what wifi to connect too ??
[9:39] <ShorTie> most nieghbor hoods have more then 1 wifi around
[9:39] <ShorTie> then you got the password thing if your smart
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[9:40] <Japa> ShorTie, presumably only one wifi has the password stored, and would be the one to automatically connect to
[9:40] <Armand> ShorTie: I can pick up 20 broadcast and another 15 hidden around my apartment.
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[9:42] <ShorTie> i twas guessing Berg ment from the get go, lots of ways to auto-connect once setup
[9:42] <ShorTie> but that needs extra hardware
[9:42] <Berg> i mean from start
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[9:42] <ShorTie> figured
[9:43] <Berg> its like you cant use wifi ever untill you hardware define connections
[9:43] <Berg> this is not all that good
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[9:44] <ShorTie> any wifi smartly setup, your never gonna be able to connect from the get go
[9:45] <Berg> i defined my wifi and can never get it to stay connected on reboot
[9:45] <Berg> it has no way of telling the pi to use wifi as default
[9:45] <ShorTie> sounds like you need a better network manager then
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[9:45] <Berg> you can set the wired one
[9:46] <Berg> jessie one
[9:46] <Berg> and i do
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[9:46] <Berg> i think jessie light needs a wifi enabled pi3 option or a guyide to get a better network manager
[9:47] <Berg> guide
[9:47] <ShorTie> never had a problem with wicd connecting to wifi on boot, once setup
[9:47] <Berg> i seem to be having a lot
[9:47] <Berg> pi3 shortie?
[9:47] <ShorTie> well, what network manager are you using ??
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[9:48] <Berg> the one that comes with jessie lite
[9:48] <Berg> or lxde
[9:48] <ShorTie> the /etc/network junk is not a network manager
[9:48] <Berg> im not sure where iut comes from
[9:48] <Berg> well what do i need/
[9:48] <ShorTie> try like wicd-cursers
[9:49] <Berg> ok ill give him a go
[9:49] <ShorTie> it also keeps the connection up
[9:49] <ShorTie> no need for a ping script
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[10:10] <BurtyB> Hmmm zeros :)
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[10:17] <m1dnight_> Hey guys, Im buying components for my tempreature sensor. Is a 10k resistor always the same?
[10:17] <m1dnight_> I mean, can i buy the wrong one? :>
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[10:18] <mfa298> m1dnight_: depends on what you need it to do, they also have power ratings (how much heat it can handle) and tolerance (how accurate it is)
[10:18] <ShorTie> well you can buy the wrong wattage, but a 10k resistor is a 10k resistory
[10:18] <mfa298> there are also different ways of making them.
[10:18] <m1dnight_> https://learn.adafruit.com/dht/connecting-to-a-dhtxx-sensor
[10:18] <m1dnight_> This is the guide Im going to follow. They just mention a 10k resistor..
[10:19] <mfa298> if it's a pullup/pulldown you're probably ok with any 10k reisitor
[10:19] <ShorTie> i concure
[10:20] <m1dnight_> I find 0,6 watts, 0,25 watts,.. :p
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[10:20] <m1dnight_> 10k ohm, 0,6 watts, would that be okay?
[10:20] <m1dnight_> http://eu.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Yageo/MF0207FTE52-10K/?qs=KUIzHt%2fe91lIJBNjQ7YFlg%3d%3d
[10:20] <m1dnight_> That one to be exact.
[10:21] <m1dnight_> I am looking for a pack of all sorts on the website but can't find any.
[10:23] <mfa298> combining the power law and ohms law you get P=V^2 / R, so assuming 5V rail that's 25/10000 which is well under 0.25W so either of those will be fine
[10:23] <m1dnight_> Aha, cool.
[10:23] <m1dnight_> I will start refreshing my electricity knowledge :>
[10:23] <mfa298> and if it's pullup it doen't need to be that accurate
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[10:27] <mlelstv> .oO( measure with a micrometer .... )
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[10:27] <mfa298> knowing ohms law and the power law and how to combine them is a good starting point
[10:28] <gordonDrogon> the internal pull up/down resistors in the Pi are about 50KΩ
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[11:06] <nev> Hi can anyone with RPi3 run a 'uname -a' on their Raspbian or other Linux distro? Thank you for your time...
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[11:13] <shauno> nev: Linux myhostname 4.4.9-v7+ #884 SMP Fri May 6 17:28:59 BST 2016 armv7l GNU/Linux
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[11:14] <nev> shauno: Thank you :)
[11:14] <shauno> that's a mostly-uptodate-raspbian jessie
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[11:21] <gordonDrogon> pi@raspberrypi:~ $ unpi@raspberrypi:~ $ uname -a
[11:21] <gordonDrogon> Linux raspberrypi 4.1.17-v7+ #838 SMP Tue Feb 9 13:15:09 GMT 2016 armv7l GNU/Linux
[11:21] <gordonDrogon> ame -a
[11:21] <gordonDrogon> Linux raspberrypi 4.1.17-v7+ #838 SMP Tue Feb 9 13:15:09 GMT 2016 armv7l GNU/Linux
[11:21] <gordonDrogon> is a very old one. hmm bounce mouse.
[11:21] <gordonDrogon> pi@raspberrypi:~ $ uptime
[11:21] <gordonDrogon> 10:20:46 up 88 days, 10:59, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.05
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[11:29] <devster31> what is wrong with a rpi3 if the sync command freezes everything?
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[11:40] <BurtyB> devster31, nothing?
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[11:51] <devster31> sure? because it hangs all kinds of dpkg --configure and I'm stuck at half an apt update because of that, it's been 24 hours and it's definitely not supposed to take this loing
[11:51] <devster31> sync as in the "flush file systems buffer" command
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[11:53] <mfa298> sync shouldn't take more than a few seconds, if it's hangign that might mean a disk issue.
[11:54] <devster31> in this case sd issue, but now I'm halfway to a system upgrade, I can't take an image of this sd and replicate on another right?
[11:55] <mfa298> I'd probably start with a fresh image, if the card has been having issues there could be other problems
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[12:02] <RoBo_V> What is best way to provide wifi and BLE to RPi zero
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[12:14] <ShorTie> usb hub ??
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[12:16] <RoBo_V> ShorTie: RPi zero will able to ppwer up both wifi and BT from single micro usb port ?
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[13:07] <devster31> can I quickly check which files in the /etc directory are different from the default from packages?
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[13:08] <ShorTie> not really without a copy of the orig
[13:08] <ShorTie> being in the package doesn't count
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[13:09] <ShorTie> but diff is the utility to do that
[13:09] <ShorTie> like 'diff file.orig file'
[13:10] <ShorTie> or piped to a file 'diff file.orig file > file.diff'
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[13:10] <mike_t> devster31, man debsums
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[13:33] <devster31> mike_t: isn't that only for deb packages?
[13:33] <devster31> ShorTie: I could apt download the originals and diff from there
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[14:02] <GRiZL0C> anyone here know the logitech k380? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1N83V60481&cm_re=logitech_k380-_-23-126-430-_-Product
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[14:02] <GRiZL0C> i am amazed that the logi k380 works on the pi3's Bluetooth
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[14:05] <oq> why would you be amazed?
[14:05] <ElectroMotive> i am amazed that you are amazed
[14:05] <oq> human interface devices are actually one of the few things the pi3's bluetooth does work for
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[14:08] <GRiZL0C> it doesnt work for other uses?
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[14:09] <oq> audio, not much else
[14:10] <GRiZL0C> i'm glad the pi3 has bt most all computers have it
[14:10] <ElectroMotive> pi3 is a great little device
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[14:10] <GRiZL0C> does it also works with bt spekers i mean i can pair a bt speaker on the pi3?
[14:10] <ElectroMotive> try it
[14:10] <ElectroMotive> do you have some?
[14:10] <GRiZL0C> i will
[14:11] <GRiZL0C> i have a bt speaker
[14:11] <ElectroMotive> if it will pair with it then it will probably work
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[14:12] <ElectroMotive> well as far as i can see it will work
[14:12] <ElectroMotive> you can even use bt headsets
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[14:13] <ElectroMotive> some people have even connected their pi3 to their smartwatches
[14:14] <ElectroMotive> so it seems to be very versatile
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[14:18] <GRiZL0C> i dont have any sound settings under raspbian
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[14:18] <GRiZL0C> i dont know how to set bt sound instead of hdmi
[14:18] <GRiZL0C> miaybe need to install something
[14:18] <GRiZL0C> sorry folks im a pi newb
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[14:19] <ElectroMotive> what distro are you using?
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[14:19] <GRiZL0C> you guys are way smarter then me and i still need to learn linux
[14:19] <ElectroMotive> http://plugable.com/2016/03/14/listening-to-bluetooth-audio-on-your-raspberry-pi-3-pi-2-or-pi-zero
[14:19] <GRiZL0C> riaspbian jessie
[14:19] <ElectroMotive> check that out
[14:19] <GRiZL0C> thanks
[14:19] <ElectroMotive> np
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[14:23] <GRiZL0C> i bought some gadgets today
[14:23] <ElectroMotive> what did you get?
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[14:25] <GRiZL0C> a logitech k380 bt keyboard for mi pi3 a blackwidow chroma keyboard for my main game pc and a 2.5 inch hdd case for a 2.5 inch 120GiB hdd i got laying around
[14:26] <ElectroMotive> nice
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[14:26] <oq> why not ssh in and then you woouldn't have to use a separate keyboard
[14:26] <GRiZL0C> im trying to make my external usb hdd storage see inside windows network but to make that happen its a tricky mess
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[14:26] <oq> GRiZL0C: "see inside windows network" == mount as samba share?
[14:27] <ElectroMotive> smb is the standard and has been for a while
[14:27] <ElectroMotive> nice keyboard btw
[14:27] <GRiZL0C> oq: yep mount as samba share
[14:28] <GRiZL0C> thanks
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[14:28] <GRiZL0C> it was expensive too i hate the euro in europe you pay far more in euros then in dollars
[14:29] <GRiZL0C> i really miss the dutch guilders
[14:30] <ElectroMotive> the chairs?
[14:30] <GRiZL0C> lol
[14:30] <GRiZL0C> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823114051&cm_re=razer_blackwidow_chroma-_-23-114-051-_-Product
[14:31] <GRiZL0C> $144,99
[14:31] <ElectroMotive> that keyboard looks pretty good from this angle https://i.ytimg.com/vi/adIRE2LewhQ/maxresdefault.jpg
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[14:33] <ElectroMotive> hopefully thats not to risque
[14:33] <GRiZL0C> i payed 169euro
[14:33] <GRiZL0C> thats expensive i couldnt get it cheaper
[14:33] <ElectroMotive> yeah thats pricey
[14:34] <GRiZL0C> i normally buy from a local webstore
[14:34] <GRiZL0C> they have discounts but not right at the moment
[14:35] <GRiZL0C> i also need to get a new video card for my gaming pc
[14:35] <ElectroMotive> yeah the new 1080/1070's look really nice
[14:35] <ElectroMotive> and the 1070 will be under $400 i hink
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[14:35] <ElectroMotive> think*
[14:35] <GRiZL0C> i think i'll go with amd but would rather have an anvidia but damn its rally high priced
[14:35] <GRiZL0C> really
[14:36] <ElectroMotive> the 1070 will be $350 or so from what i hear
[14:36] <ElectroMotive> which is very reasonable for that card
[14:36] <GRiZL0C> i was looking at gtx980 ti but they still are over ¬650 here
[14:36] <Bilby> *yawn* mornin chaps
[14:37] <GRiZL0C> you from the us?
[14:37] <ElectroMotive> the 1070 is supposed to better that the 980
[14:37] <ElectroMotive> and way cheaper
[14:37] <GRiZL0C> is it morning in usa?
[14:37] <Bilby> 08:37 for the east coast at least :)
[14:37] <ElectroMotive> Bilby, good morning
[14:37] <GRiZL0C> wow good morning all its 2:37pm here
[14:38] <Bilby> aka the only good bit, let's be real, except maybe parts of north California if you like big trees
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[14:38] <ElectroMotive> 7:38 here
[14:38] <ElectroMotive> AM
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[14:38] <Armand> 5:38 in LA, 13:38 in London.
[14:38] <Bilby> Of all the rooms / forums i frequent i think this has the highest number of active Europeans
[14:38] <GeekOfflineNL> he drawback of gaming PC.... they are freakisly expansive, cosume large amount of energy, and are outdated within days..... the next great new game is shure not to run full-specs on your month old gaming pc :-(
[14:39] <Bilby> ElectroMotive: Chicago or Houston? :P
[14:39] <nemo> GRiZL0C: WRT € vs $ - don't forget that sales taxes are built into the price in Europe
[14:39] <ElectroMotive> Texas
[14:39] <nemo> GRiZL0C: and w/ VAT that can be a pretty big and misleading difference
[14:39] <Armand> GeekOfflineNL: That would depend on the requirements.. I only play older games.
[14:40] <GeekOfflineNL> Armand, that's why i said "the next great NEW game" :-)
[14:40] <Armand> Ahh.. missed that. :P
[14:40] <Bilby> GeekOfflineNL: You'd be surprised. Computer processing / video capabilities have been pretty stable for the last 3-4 years, even with modern games. We're at the point where several games are using the same engine because there aren't huge gains to be had from a new one
[14:40] <GRiZL0C> i would love to play some doom on my game pc
[14:40] <GeekOfflineNL> but i am looking forward to the new rollercoaster thempark game. (rollercouster world i think it is called)
[14:40] <Bilby> But frankly it comes down to "what do you want to play"... And most of my stuff plays just fine on an ancient computer :P
[14:41] <ElectroMotive> i cant wait to build my i7 gtx 1070 system
[14:41] <nemo> Bilby: yeh. running smack dab into the limits of moore's law - is one reason I didn't feel too terrible about sticking w/ last gen phone instead of upgrading.
[14:41] <Bilby> phones have been stable the last 2 years or so too, yeah
[14:41] <GRiZL0C> maybe with a amd fury x those should be pretty fast cards with 8gig ddr5 ram but i dont know if an nvidia is faster at fps
[14:41] <Bilby> frankly for phones and laptops to get better at this point we need improvements in battery technology
[14:41] <nemo> Bilby: on subject of games + RPI - I've been kinda doing Hedgewars dev for past 7y... and feel like trying to get it working on my new RPI3 - do you happen to know if situation for GLES11/GLES2 has improved ?
[14:42] <nemo> Bilby: basically hedgewars uses SDL1.2 /SDL2 to get a GL context, then does its own GL calls after that
[14:42] <Bilby> sorry, no clue
[14:42] <nemo> kk
[14:42] <GeekOfflineNL> Bilby, my 3 year old laptop (i7/16GB) can run most of the games. But the only thing that keeps getting outdated is videocard (espessially the memory on them)
[14:42] <oq> Bilby: that's a bit nonsense, games are still dramatically increasing the hardware requirements every year for 1 reason, amd & nvidia get to sell more cards
[14:42] <GRiZL0C> op: lol
[14:42] <GRiZL0C> oq*
[14:43] <nemo> oq: cards are getting more and more cores, and more and more memory, but huge jumps in processor performance are pretty much gone
[14:43] <nemo> oq: games that can take advantage of a ton of cores do well, but that's not all games
[14:43] <oq> nvidia & amd get to together with devs and encourage them to use their toolkits to "take advantage" of their system, aka be more intensive
[14:43] <GRiZL0C> nvidia and amd
[14:43] <GRiZL0C> every year a new gfx card gpu
[14:43] <oq> of course its not the same with cpus
[14:43] <GRiZL0C> so you can buy every year a new one
[14:44] <oq> you can play modern games just fine with a top of the line cpu from 5 years ago
[14:44] <GRiZL0C> yes
[14:44] <nemo> oq: yep. hell. that's almost how old my CPU is
[14:44] <GeekOfflineNL> CoD i use to play on pc, now i switched to PS4. At least stable hardware. Just had to get used to the controller instead of KB/mouse
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[14:44] <nemo> model name: AMD FX(tm)-6100 Six-Core Processor
[14:44] <ElectroMotive> the new gtx series 1080/1070 are built using a new method mf construction so i am sure we have more innovation on the way as far as performance is concerned
[14:44] <nemo> 04:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GK104 [GeForce GTX 760] (rev a1)
[14:44] <nemo> not a top of the line gaming rig, but seems to work ok
[14:45] <oq> ElectroMotive: if by new method of construction you mean they made the chips smaller?
[14:45] <oq> it's moores law, they always get smaller
[14:45] <ElectroMotive> no
[14:45] <nemo> oq: they can't get much smaller
[14:45] <nemo> oq: we are basically at the limits of gate sizes
[14:45] <ElectroMotive> they will not always get smaller but
[14:45] <nemo> any smaller and you have a soup, not transistors ☺
[14:45] <oq> 14nm or w/e
[14:45] <ElectroMotive> they are using some chip on wafer or something
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[14:46] <nemo> oq: still some possible gains in stacking stuff to shorten distances I guess, but not as dramatic as the ever shrinking chips up until now
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[14:46] <ElectroMotive> and that will enable them to compound them together more but heat will be the next hurdle as it always kind of has been
[14:46] <nemo> ElectroMotive: indeed. lol
[14:46] <nemo> ElectroMotive: was just about to note that one too ☺
[14:46] <ElectroMotive> yes
[14:46] <ElectroMotive> ;)
[14:47] <nemo> you type faster than me clearly
[14:47] <ElectroMotive> haha
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[14:47] <ElectroMotive> i do look forward to see how much more performance they will be able to pull from all these transistors
[14:47] <Bilby> well thatw as less than cool
[14:47] <Armand> nemo: I could do with that GTX 760. :/
[14:47] <nemo> anyway. at least for the game that I've poured my time into, you sure as hell don't need a top of the line machine - heck, we still support machines w/ a max texture size of 512 ☺
[14:48] <nemo> and opengl1.1
[14:48] <ElectroMotive> nice
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[14:48] <nemo> Armand: I bought it 'cause my prior card finally died
[14:48] <nemo> I don't do a ton of hardcore gaming
[14:48] <Armand> I need to upgrade a 6800GT :P
[14:48] <nemo> O_o
[14:48] <GeekOfflineNL> GRiZL0C, completely other topic. You know of any good Pi gatherings in the netherlands ? Last one i went to was 2 years ago at Ordina Nieuwegein
[14:48] <Bilby> My 2009-era HP is loud and wheezy and gets poor FPS even on TF2 now :(
[14:49] <nemo> Bilby: loud and wheezy sounds like maybe your fans need cleaning
[14:49] <Bilby> I don't know if the heatsink got dislodged or the fan is dying
[14:49] <nemo> Bilby: maybe some oil
[14:49] <Draylor> take the half ton of dust out of the fans, it'll be fine
[14:49] <nemo> get the dust out of fan/grit out of bearings
[14:49] <oq> Bilby: fans don't last forever, they are cheap to switch out
[14:49] <nemo> Bilby: overheating could be causing failure at TF2 for sure
[14:49] <nemo> or. yeah. just replace. even safer
[14:49] <ElectroMotive> Draylor, too true
[14:49] <ElectroMotive> haha
[14:49] <Armand> nemo: My home rig is running a Q6600, 8GB DDR2, 256MB 6800GT and only SATA drives == 180GB
[14:50] <Bilby> It's so old and creaky now I'm debating just letting it die
[14:50] <nemo> oq: so as a side effect of my last HD upgrade, for stupid reasons, I neglected to plug in my CPU fan
[14:50] <nemo> oq: I didn't notice for almost a month
[14:50] <oq> nemo: wow that's bad
[14:50] <Bilby> but it's my only windows box at the moment so I'm just propping it up and running it once a week to do my bills and run a DB update tool lol
[14:50] <GRiZL0C> GeekOfflineNL: nee sorry
[14:50] <nemo> (thanks to the water cooling, it was working fine on passive cooling ☺ )
[14:50] <GeekOfflineNL> GRiZL0C, ok
[14:50] <Bilby> time to tear down and clean / rebuild again, maybe see if i can find some fans
[14:50] <nemo> oq: of course once I did a long gaming session, it died
[14:50] <Bilby> or put it in a bigger case and make it a porta-desktop lol
[14:51] <vol4ko2> is it worth waiting the new 1080/70/60 Nvidia carss?
[14:51] <vol4ko2> cards*
[14:51] <oq> nemo: dies as in it shutdown because it reached its safe temp limit?
[14:51] <nemo> oq: yes
[14:51] <ElectroMotive> vol4ko2, yes
[14:51] <nemo> oq: just not a nice way to shut down a machine ofc :/
[14:51] <oq> vol4ko2: yes
[14:51] <ElectroMotive> its definitely worth the wait
[14:51] <oq> they are really close to being announced too
[14:51] <nemo> oq: water cooling is getting stupid-cheap these days. I bought this enclosed one a few years ago and still runs awesome
[14:51] <nemo> cuts down on noise too
[14:51] <GRiZL0C> if you wanna play the latest games without paying high prices on hardware you should get yourself a PS4 or XBone
[14:52] <ElectroMotive> $350 i think for the 1070
[14:52] <ElectroMotive> or close to that
[14:52] <Bilby> on-topically, woo - http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/05/24/google-is-preparing-to-add-the-raspberry-pi-3-to-aosp-it-will-apparently-become-an-officially-supported-device/
[14:52] <ElectroMotive> which is a slammin deal for that card
[14:52] <GRiZL0C> i think Doom looks amazing on the PS4
[14:52] <oq> nemo: I have a cheap all-in-one water cooler on my cpu
[14:52] <ElectroMotive> Bilby, nice
[14:52] <Bilby> fingers crossed for an official chromeOS build
[14:53] <ElectroMotive> Bilby, it may just be a matter of time
[14:53] <GRiZL0C> cigarette break brb folks... :)
[14:53] <nemo> Armand: I'm at 16GiB these days. Cache all the things
[14:53] <Armand> :)
[14:53] <Bilby> if they do a chromeOS build I'll be dancing in the street. Perfect web kiosks and digital displays
[14:53] <Armand> Just not had the money or the time to work on that PC.. it's been in storage for 4 years.
[14:53] <ElectroMotive> Bilby, the fact that chromium is available i think is a good sign of things to come
[14:53] <oq> Bilby: there's already chromeos builds fyi, just not official
[14:54] <oq> or chromiumos rather
[14:54] <ElectroMotive> yeah chromium is the developer version
[14:54] <nemo> hm. not super-excited about chromeos, but would that mean getting support for that DRM in HTML5 stuff like widevine on RPI3?
[14:54] <Bilby> ElectroMotive: yep. I've used chromium on the Pi, it's okay but i want flash (if possible... probably not)
[14:55] <Bilby> oq: yep, and that project is coming along nicely
[14:55] <nemo> or would the RPI3 not be considered a "trusted" platform?
[14:55] <Bilby> I don't know if ChromeOS uses TPM or not
[14:55] <oq> nemo: trusted platform is a hardware thing isnt it?
[14:55] <nemo> Bilby: pretty sure netflix works on chromebooks
[14:55] <nemo> but that's super-locked-down
[14:55] <nemo> oq: yeah, but the software makers decide the rules
[14:55] <TheLostAdmin> The only "trusted" platforms according to ChromeOS are the ones that can lock-out all other OS installs. So the RPI3 (or 2 or 1 or 0) are certainly not "trusted".
[14:56] <ElectroMotive> Bilby, there seem to be scripts that let you load flash as a plugin
[14:56] <oq> TheLostAdmin: what if you glue the sd card in, is it trusted then?
[14:56] <nemo> heh
[14:56] <TheLostAdmin> No, oq.
[14:57] <nemo> echo "1" > /proc/yes_i_glued_in_the_sdcard
[14:57] <Bilby> ElectroMotive: insanely unreliable, unfortunately :( I've tried the open-source flash replacement as well as official flash with not a ton of work
[14:57] <nemo> oh well. most content I wanna play is stuff I own anyway
[14:57] <oq> but wait, weren't people installing regular linux on those chromebooks?
[14:57] <nemo> oq: yeah. you have to switch to "dev" mode
[14:57] <oq> how could they do that if it was locking out other installs
[14:57] <ElectroMotive> Bilby, right on. i never really use it so i was just throwing it out there
[14:58] <Bilby> yeah no worries
[14:58] <Bilby> I was trying to position RasPis as replacement internet machines for a school
[14:58] <nemo> oq: similar to what happens if you root your Nexus 6, WideVine does NOT work in dev mode
[14:58] <Bilby> I moved them from WinXP to a custom Chrome-only Mint build which has helped, but they're still giant mid-tower P4s
[14:58] <nemo> oq: Google Wallet doesn't work on rooted phones either, as I discovered
[14:58] <oq> Bilby: don't schools generally use windows?
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[14:58] <Bilby> if I could glue Pis on the back of the monitors it'd be amazing
[14:59] <Bilby> but have to have flash for all the games
[14:59] <Bilby> oq: non-profit school = no monies haha
[14:59] <Bilby> I have windows in the computer lab
[14:59] <oq> Bilby: put them in cases with vesa mounts and security screws
[14:59] <nemo> oq: basically chromebook in dev mode is I guess an RPI chromeos w/ a lot less hardware access
[14:59] <ElectroMotive> Bilby, yeah i hear that
[14:59] <nemo> oh and a super annoying boot screen
[14:59] <Bilby> the linux boxes are in rooms and used with browser only
[14:59] <GeekOfflineNL> Bilby, would normal raspbian with Chromium in kiosk mode do the trick
[14:59] <TheLostAdmin> Bilby, Citrix has done that for you: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/05/24/citrix_bakes_up_raspberry_pi_client/
[14:59] <GeekOfflineNL> oh flash........sorry
[14:59] <Bilby> yep
[14:59] <Bilby> that's where i kept getting stuck
[14:59] <Bilby> i could do everything... but that
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[15:00] <TheLostAdmin> That's the excuse, now you just need to convince them to NOT run Windows on the server.
[15:00] <oq> wot
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[15:00] <oq> are they reselling pis for $90?
[15:00] <GeekOfflineNL> TheLostAdmin, i use that one to connect to my company's Citrix farm. Only tricky part is get the certificates in the right place ;-)
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[15:01] <Bilby> TheLostAdmin: the citrix thin client thing? yeah, interesting
[15:01] <TheLostAdmin> oq: I believe they are reselling PIs with a case and an SD card and their own stripped down Linux pre-installed for $90.
[15:01] <Bilby> actually that school's DC is a Zentyal box
[15:01] <oq> TheLostAdmin: with a heavy markup it sounds like
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[15:01] <Bilby> because windows CALs were crazy pricy
[15:01] <TheLostAdmin> I haven't looked at one in detail but the article I linked says that Citrix had them built, so they might have replaced the SD card with something more permanent.
[15:01] <GeekOfflineNL> Bilby, also pricy for education?
[15:02] <nemo> TheLostAdmin: ewwwww the kits at local electronics store at least offer, oh, the camera attachment or weather centre or whatever for $90
[15:02] <Armand> Any thing $Windows is over-priced.
[15:02] <nemo> (+ preinstalled OS)
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[15:02] <Bilby> educational pricing for server stuff is basically the same as for commercial :(
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[15:02] <Armand> Look at their terminal server licensing, or MSSQL per core sh**
[15:02] <Bilby> meanwhile i can get it for essentially free for a normal non-profit. lame
[15:02] <TheLostAdmin> oq: When I bought my first Pi, case, SD card, and power supply I got close to $90 so I wouldn't say it was too much of a mark-up.
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[15:02] <nemo> a reasonable size SD card is <$10 these days - no justification for the markup there
[15:02] <nemo> TheLostAdmin: power supply... I have like a dozen USB power supplies gathering dust in this house from years of smartphones
[15:03] <nemo> but ok, I guess in theory one might pay $15 for a new one
[15:03] <nemo> still a huge markup
[15:03] <Bilby> the reality is Microsoft is killing themselves in the small business market, with their confusing and expensive server licensing. I think windows server is pretty amazing and a unified network is super maintainable but i can literally roll out a linux server for 20% of the cost
[15:03] <TheLostAdmin> Yes, but not everyone has one that can sustain 2.5amps output, nemo.
[15:03] <Bilby> Even back in 2008 I remember pricing out thin clients and desktops
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[15:03] <nemo> TheLostAdmin: mm. fair enough. a few of them *are* useless for the pi. coworker discovered that w/ his samsung USB charger.
[15:04] <GeekOfflineNL> Bilby, running for 24/7 or 8/5 Pi's for internet browsing will wear-out a cheap SDcard pretty fast. :(
[15:04] <nemo> well... might have been a crap cable
[15:04] <Bilby> and thin clients were a great, inexpensive option - until the licensing. the licensing costs were so much it was dead even or a little less to just buy regular desktops :(
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[15:04] <nemo> TheLostAdmin: still... $30 for RPI3, $10 for card, $10 for case. $15 for power supply. They are making like a 40% profit even at retail prices
[15:04] <Bilby> GeekOfflineNL: hmm. I guess I haven't run into that yet. Have 14 or so digital billboards that constantly update at one client, another has walk-up info machines x 10
[15:05] <TheLostAdmin> I had that same experience with thin-clients, Bilby.
[15:05] <Bilby> Only problems i've had is poor quality power supplies (stupid outlets)
[15:05] <GeekOfflineNL> Bilby, up till now i have killed at least one SDcard every fair/event i put a row of Pi's to action for a few days :-(
[15:05] <TheLostAdmin> GeekOfflineNL, you run an NFS server to mount user's home directories and /tmp from. That significantly cuts down on the number of writes to the SD card. Done right, you don't need to write to the SD card except for config changes and software updates.
[15:05] <Bilby> TheLostAdmin: the REAL irony is that at the time it was actually cheaper to buy Mac Minis and an Xserve and run them as thin clients. Excepting of course that it made my 10/100 network cry
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[15:06] * Bilby also tried a Pi image that would allow thin client booting a full linux image
[15:06] <Bilby> no luck :(
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[15:06] <Bilby> but that was with a 1B back in uuh 2012? '13?
[15:06] <Bilby> I'd be tempted to try that again IF it meant i could run flash
[15:07] <nemo> Bilby: there's flash for arm??
[15:07] <Bilby> nope
[15:07] <GeekOfflineNL> TheLostAdmin, but that would make them less "portable", then they need access to the NFS
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[15:07] <Bilby> Chrome non-free on x86 linux can do flash though
[15:07] <TheLostAdmin> Bilby, I had a boss in/around 02-04 who was into thin clients and had me order about 30 of them and a server. The server quickly became 2 servers to take the user load and we had to re-write that part of the office to handle the bandwidth. It ended up costing more per seat than the desktops in the rest of the office.
[15:07] <Bilby> and if I run a thin client, that's what's processing
[15:07] <nemo> Bilby: oh... thin client. so remote X? sure there's some support for GL accel in X, but it is pretty limited
[15:07] <Bilby> TheLostAdmin: yeah that was a downside for sure
[15:07] <TheLostAdmin> GeekOfflineNL, since when are thin clients portable? They need a "desktop server".
[15:08] <nemo> Bilby: or would you be trying to do audio/video streaming?
[15:08] <Bilby> though it was still cheaper than new desktops (before CALs)
[15:08] <nemo> Bilby: only reason for flash these days is DRM videos right?
[15:08] <Bilby> I don't remember how it implemented the thin client nemo, been a long time since i checked it out
[15:08] <Bilby> nooooo hahaha
[15:08] <Bilby> kids games
[15:08] <Bilby> all run flash
[15:08] <TheLostAdmin> Fortunately, the boss got over the thin client craze. He didn't like people pointing out he was wrong. So, I never pointed out the cost difference.
[15:08] <daey> porn
[15:08] <GeekOfflineNL> TheLostAdmin, i know :-) i was talking more about randomly placed (internet) kiosks
[15:08] <Bilby> kids games are about a decade behind
[15:08] <nemo> Bilby: oh. kid games. Yeah, my kids are still kinda young
[15:08] <Bilby> so in 2008 they were all locally-installed
[15:08] <Bilby> in 2012 they were all java
[15:08] <Bilby> and now they're all flash
[15:08] <nemo> Bilby: but. when they are old enough, they will damn well play linux games 😃
[15:09] <nemo> Bilby: even if daddy has to code them all
[15:09] <Bilby> lol
[15:09] <Bilby> sorry, i should have specified - edutainment
[15:09] <GeekOfflineNL> TheLostAdmin, for simplicity i like the pi's to be fully selfsupporting, not depending on NFS/servers to be present
[15:09] <Bilby> education software in general is about a decade behind
[15:09] <nemo> Bilby: well. my oldest is already semi-addicted to this doctor game on her android phone
[15:09] <TheLostAdmin> GeekOfflineNL, still not sure how an NFS server makes them less portable. If they have Internet access, they can reach the NFS server. With NFSv4, there is pretty strong security in NFS.
[15:09] <nemo> Bilby: and that started before she was even 3
[15:09] <Bilby> I remember in 2009 trying to explain to a teacher why the software she bought without asking wouldn't run on her MacBook.
[15:10] <Bilby> the software in question being designed for OS8 / PPC
[15:10] <GeekOfflineNL> TheLostAdmin, oke worth a try on the next fair/event
[15:10] <ElectroMotive> dang
[15:10] <daey> TheLostAdmin: i can think of multiple edu softwares / services that are perfectly up to date
[15:10] <nemo> Bilby: well, my vague recollection of edutainment games is they tend to be pretty undemanding in terms of frame rate
[15:10] <nemo> Bilby: you might be able to get away w/ VNC
[15:11] <TheLostAdmin> GeekOfflineNL, My Pis (all 2) use NFS for /home and /tmp. All logs go to a syslog server. If the NFS server isn't up, the PIs fallback to a subset of local-user home directories (2 of them, pi and root). Not perfect, but they boot and can be used to diagnose why they aren't getting to the NFS server.
[15:11] <nemo> Bilby: have you considered testing them in Shumway? The Shumway devs are fairly responsive
[15:11] <Bilby> Here's one of the more popular sites: http://www.abcya.com/
[15:11] <nemo> Bilby: irc://irc.mozilla.org/shumway - Mozilla's flash reimplementation in javascript
[15:11] <Bilby> nemo: hadn't heard of that. interesting
[15:11] <nemo> Bilby: runs pretty well on ASM.js browsers
[15:12] <Bilby> will have to check it out
[15:12] <nemo> (that is, Firefox on RPI ☺ )
[15:12] <TheLostAdmin> GeekOfflineNL: for NFS to be decently secure you need to use Kerberos authentication (not very hard) to authenticate the clients and servers. It's basically like ssh host keys but uglier to set-up.
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[15:12] <Bilby> yeah but javascript + pi = tears
[15:12] <daey> more like reincarnation
[15:12] <daey> ..
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[15:12] <daey> just kill it
[15:12] <nemo> Bilby: mm. yeah. actually. there's the issue of graphics acceleration I guess
[15:12] <nemo> Bilby: RPI still has no accel in X ☹
[15:12] <daey> i thought the driver is opensource now
[15:13] <Bilby> drat, people need actual help. afk
[15:13] <nemo> daey: oh... do you happen to know the status of GLES11/GLES2 then? Hedgewars uses SDL1.2/SDL2 to grab a GL context, then after that does its own GL calls
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[15:13] <nemo> daey: my experiments years ago on 1st gen RPI were pretty sad. maxed out at like 10fps in software emulation mode
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[15:14] <nemo> hm. might mean 20fps on on an RPI3? ☺
[15:14] <nemo> (w/ all effects turned off and a 640x480 window)
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[15:15] <TheLostAdmin> I removed flash from all my computers a couple of bad flash vulnerabilities ago and I have found the Internet a much more pleasant place since. Most legit video places use HTML5 as a fallback now.
[15:16] <nemo> TheLostAdmin: yeah. I basically don't use flash anymore. Hell.. most of the time I don't even have JS on
[15:16] <nemo> TheLostAdmin: saves a ton of phone bandwidth/battery
[15:16] <TheLostAdmin> I've thrown in a tool that lets me quickly disable javascript. It's amazing the number of websites with paywalls where the paywall disappears if you disable javascript.
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[15:16] <nemo> TheLostAdmin: http://webkay.robinlinus.com fun site
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[15:17] <oq> TheLostAdmin: because they want it both ways, they both want google to index it and they want to block people coming from google
[15:17] <nemo> TheLostAdmin: yeah. I use JS toggle in Firefox on Android, and NoScript on desktop
[15:17] <nemo> TheLostAdmin: on desktop, I run a separate browser profile without blocks if some site is being particularly obstinate and I actually want to check it out
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[15:18] <nemo> just copy the url to that window
[15:18] <daey> TheLostAdmin: the best pages are the ones that spawn an overlay above the content
[15:18] <nemo> daey: inspect, delete overlay ♥
[15:18] <daey> simply hitting ESC at the right time during the load is enough xD
[15:18] <nemo> daey: I like the ones where clicking the Readability mode icon strips it too ☺
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[15:19] <nemo> daey: oh. then there are the stupid sites w/ static content that don't want viewers to see their site w/o their precious web font downloaded. So they have a hide-all-content javascript rule to avoid "flash of unstyled content" Reader mode fixes that too sometimes
[15:19] <ElectroMotive> Bilby, i suppose you tried gnash?
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[15:20] <nemo> ElectroMotive: would gnash in a browser under X on RPI3 run accelerated?
[15:20] <ElectroMotive> idk
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[15:20] <ElectroMotive> you may try it with midori
[15:20] <ElectroMotive> but i am really not sure
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[15:23] <Bilby> ElectroMotive: is that the flash alternative? I know i tried one of them at least
[15:24] <ElectroMotive> midori is a browser
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[15:24] <nemo> ElectroMotive: I think he was asking about gnash ☺
[15:24] <ElectroMotive> Bilby, sorry yeah gnash is a flash alternative
[15:24] <ElectroMotive> :)
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[15:24] <nemo> Bilby: the problem w/ flash reimplementations is kinda the same issue the reactos and wine guys have
[15:25] <nemo> Bilby: basically flash is the standard, including whatever undocumented quirks and features it has
[15:25] <Bilby> lol yeah
[15:25] <nemo> Bilby: wine works around it by using winetricks to download official microsoft dlls
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[15:26] <Bilby> the problem with a software package being a standard rather than a standard creating a software package (aka defining interfaces and building classes rather than building classes to define interfaces)
[15:26] <nemo> Bilby: and ofc closed source
[15:26] <nemo> Bilby: tons of RE in Shumway and Gnash
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[15:27] <nemo> Bilby: but gnash is even further behind than Shumway is AFAIK
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[15:27] <nemo> Shumway has made good progress on AS3 while gnash is kinda stuck still in AS2 land
[15:27] <nemo> gnash is probably semi-dead these days due to limited lifespan of Flash - even Shumway dev has fallen off
[15:27] <Bilby> moderately interesting CM use http://www.a2s.pl/products/NPE_X500/ModBerry_500_EN.pdf
[15:29] <ElectroMotive> may be worth a look https://gist.github.com/cybear/4751158
[15:29] <nemo> Bilby: http://mozilla.github.io/shumway/ - I guess you could try these demos on your RPI to see if any of them are usable at all...
[15:29] <nemo> Bilby: I'm still setting mine up or I'd try it myself ☺
[15:29] <Jonno_FTW> hi
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[15:30] <Jonno_FTW> I'm trying to deploy to win 10 iot, but when I try to I get the error: bootstrapping failed with unexpected error: source file does not exist: C:...\armv4i\msvsmon.exe
[15:30] <Bilby> mine are all scattered in boxes and such haha
[15:30] <Bilby> I really need to clean my office :(
[15:31] <nemo> Jonno_FTW: wait wut?
[15:31] <nemo> Jonno_FTW: win10? on a raspberry pi??
[15:31] <Jonno_FTW> nemo: yes
[15:31] <Jonno_FTW> win 10 iot core
[15:31] <nemo> Jonno_FTW: neat
[15:31] <Jonno_FTW> it's not that good though
[15:31] <nemo> Jonno_FTW: I can't imagine doing it myself, but that's cool
[15:32] <largepizza> How's the video recording with the Pi 2 or Pi 3? I heard it was pretty laggy on the Pi 1, so I'm curious if that still is the case.
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[15:32] <Jonno_FTW> you're supposed to be able to deploy from VS2015 in win 10, but I get the above error
[15:32] <Jonno_FTW> all the help online just says to use win 10
[15:32] <ElectroMotive> Jonno_FTW, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/36338065/unable-to-deploy-app-to-windows-10-iot/36348885
[15:32] <ElectroMotive> maybe that can help
[15:33] <Lonefish> can you actually do anything decent on win10iot?
[15:33] <Jonno_FTW> ElectroMotive: I tried that and got nothing
[15:34] <ElectroMotive> oh
[15:34] <Bilby> largepizza: it worked for me when i tested it on a 1B
[15:34] <Bilby> don't remember the specifics precisely though haha
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[15:35] <Jonno_FTW> Lonefish: I guess you can
[15:35] <nemo> Lonefish: yeah, seems only advantage of windows would be windows ecosystem right? Which presumably sucks on ARM - so... what's the next advantage. better interoperability w/ microsoft desktop OS hopefully? So... RDP/SMB?
[15:35] <Bilby> Lonefish: it's IoT, no GUI but it allows you to dev in Visual Studio with many of the libraries
[15:35] <nemo> Bilby: oh. .NET support then?
[15:35] <Bilby> riht
[15:35] <nemo> meh
[15:35] <Lonefish> can you develop visual apps?
[15:35] <Jonno_FTW> microsoft is really behind the ball with hardware support though, onboard bluetooth doesn't work on rpi3
[15:35] <Bilby> the whole point is to make it easier to build IoT devices
[15:35] <Lonefish> Or is anything visual out of the question?
[15:36] <nemo> Bilby: might as well just stick w/ doing those using random scripting language in linux it seems to me ☺
[15:36] <Jonno_FTW> ^
[15:36] <Lonefish> Not talking about anything fancy, just some sort of pygame-ish ability
[15:36] <Bilby> it's really powerful for professional programmers working in .NET
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[15:36] <nemo> Bilby: ah. fair. I guess if for some reason that's the only ecosystem you know.
[15:36] <Bilby> makes it much easier to integrate an IoT device into a web platform because it's all the same dev environment throughout
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[15:37] <nemo> Bilby: given last time I fired up VS was, almost a decade ago, I'm clearly not the audience
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[15:37] <Bilby> even if you know python / C++, if 90% of your web code is built on VS...
[15:37] <Bilby> nemo lol true that
[15:37] <Bilby> I use VS for a gui application but that's it, i've tried the web application thingie but can't seem to wrap my head around it. a lot of complexity
[15:37] <Bilby> plus i odn't have any windows servers so i'd have to run mono which is an entire other pain in the buttocks
[15:38] <ElectroMotive> Jonno_FTW, on your pc are you running windows 10?
[15:38] <GeekOfflineNL> Bilby, did you actually ever tryed working with c#, VS2015, connected to the PI ?
[15:38] <nemo> Bilby: never had any incentive to do GUI work in VS in past decade
[15:38] <nemo> Bilby: cross-platform GUIs are more useful
[15:39] <nemo> Bilby: so... web kits or qt personally
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[15:39] <GeekOfflineNL> For my company i work mainly with Windows, .NET and c#. But for PI it is freakisly slowwww
[15:39] <nemo> GeekOfflineNL: even RPI3?
[15:39] <Bilby> I haven't... no impetus on my end
[15:39] <nemo> Bilby: fair... it's what they pay you to do I guess
[15:39] <nemo> Bilby: and for me, FOSS in my spare time
[15:40] <GeekOfflineNL> nemo, compared to native linux/raspbian and c++. i think so
[15:40] <nemo> Bilby: I find Rust fascinating, but have only done toy code with it, 'cause, well, no impetus
[15:40] <Bilby> How do you build a cross-platform GUI, besides Java?
[15:40] <nemo> Bilby: well, qt4 and qt5 are cross-platform
[15:40] <nemo> Bilby: qt5 is almost entirely CSS/JS these days w/ C++ glue
[15:40] <GeekOfflineNL> nemo, i currently doing some python learning to code a new project. Just for platform independencies
[15:41] <nemo> Bilby: so GUIs can be whipped up by random joe web dev
[15:41] <nemo> Bilby: and then made to do useful things by C++ dev
[15:41] <nemo> often same person!
[15:41] <nemo> Bilby: even qt4 was pretty heavy on the CSS if you wanted to customise appearance
[15:42] <nemo> GeekOfflineNL: I have a personal bias against python, but it is definitely a good cross-platform language w/ a huge SDK
[15:42] <GeekOfflineNL> nemo: why?
[15:42] <nemo> Bilby: https://hg.hedgewars.org/hedgewars/file/f2ab65d97242/QTfrontend/res/css/qt.css our CSS for the frontend ☺
[15:42] <ElectroMotive> what about ruby?
[15:42] <nemo> Bilby: the qt4 one, not the qt5 one
[15:43] <Chillum> coke pepsi
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[15:43] <nemo> GeekOfflineNL: Reading python for me is like reading ENGLISH IN ALL CAPS. I dislike the lack of syntax markup. In addition the philosophy of "one way to do it" (i.e. guido's way) pisses me off
[15:43] <nemo> GeekOfflineNL: also python 3 broke the little bit of python 2 I actually used
[15:44] <Bilby> how's the low-level interaction? I need to capture barcode data coming in and send raw strings out an LPT port
[15:44] <nemo> GeekOfflineNL: example. I have a dozen line python2 script I use for nethack that I've asked a dozen hardcore pythonistas to port to 3 without any success
[15:44] <Chillum> nemo: enforce white space annoys me
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[15:44] <Chillum> enforced
[15:44] <nemo> GeekOfflineNL: I have no strong opinion on things like the global lock tho, probably fine for most apps
[15:44] <TheLostAdmin> oooh, now I have real reasons to dislike python.
[15:44] <GeekOfflineNL> nemo, that will be my advantage then. I start now, with only Python3
[15:45] <nemo> GeekOfflineNL: heh. cool
[15:45] <nemo> GeekOfflineNL: that'll also enforce no mixing of tabs vs spaces which was a great way to introduce bugs in python 2
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[15:45] <nemo> GeekOfflineNL: copy/paste code. kaboooom!
[15:45] <nemo> GeekOfflineNL: not to mention commit scripts
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[15:45] <nemo> nothing like errors that are invisible on a code review
[15:46] <GeekOfflineNL> nemo, yes i already ran into those :-|
[15:46] <nemo> GeekOfflineNL: yeah. sheepluva accidentally DoS'd our gameserver trying his hand at python 2
[15:46] <nemo> GeekOfflineNL: he was so frustrated he made a python wrapper that added { }
[15:46] <SirLagz> I'm rewiring a 4pin fan to a molex for 12V and just speed sensor. Anyone know if the speed sensor also needs ground from the fan?
[15:46] <GeekOfflineNL> :)
[15:46] <nemo> GeekOfflineNL: ofc guido would never allow a flag for that
[15:47] <Chillum> I have found C more comfy to use than python
[15:47] * nemo dittoes
[15:47] <Chillum> when I need high level I use perl
[15:47] <gardar> With the latest rpi-update the mapping of the GPIO has changed, TXD0 moved from pin 14 to 32... Can I remap it back to 14?
[15:47] <Chillum> I don't think it is the best though
[15:47] <nemo> Chillum: I rather like high level languages for ease of use, and low level ones for knowing what all the moving parts are
[15:47] <Chillum> just the one I know
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[15:47] <Chillum> exactly
[15:47] <GeekOfflineNL> nemo, i' mall new to the world of python. Just seemed a fairly quick and easy way of doing an application with webinterface for multiple platforms
[15:48] <nemo> GeekOfflineNL: well... for web interface, maybe JS/node.js ? reuse code on frontend backend?
[15:48] <Chillum> it really does not matter which high level language you use, it will be less than great
[15:48] * nemo shrugs
[15:48] <Bilby> I've been working in python more recently, I find I like it (except for the whitespace thing which i'm getting used to)
[15:48] <nemo> Chillum: have you checked out rust yet? if you're a C fan, might be interesting.
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[15:48] <Roonix> They've changed the gpio mappings? Is this right? Why would they do this?
[15:48] <Chillum> nemo: no what is rust?
[15:48] <GeekOfflineNL> nemo, to be honest, i somehow can't get in sync with javascript
[15:48] <nemo> Roonix: what, we are back on topic? ☺
[15:48] <Chillum> (dont' say iron oxide)
[15:48] <GeekOfflineNL> <--> Javascript don't mix
[15:48] <nemo> Chillum: http://rustbyexample.com/index.html
[15:49] <nemo> GeekOfflineNL: I dunno, I've gotten used to it. How do you feel about Lua?
[15:49] <ElectroMotive> choosing a programming language is like finding a GF some will do more for you than others with the right amount of coaxing
[15:49] <GeekOfflineNL> nemo, never heared of it
[15:50] <nemo> O_o
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[15:50] <nemo> you're kidding
[15:50] <GeekOfflineNL> ElectroMotive, finding a GF will not be approved by my wife :-P
[15:50] <ElectroMotive> haha
[15:50] <nemo> GeekOfflineNL: I mean, python is still probably logical choice SDK-wise, although you can bind lua to most C stuff ofc.
[15:50] <nemo> GeekOfflineNL: https://www.lua.org/ lightweight, fast
[15:51] <nemo> GeekOfflineNL: pretty popular in gaming community - often used as scripting glue for mods and such
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[15:51] <GeekOfflineNL> life was easy in the old days....yes a C64, some basic and assembly ..Done!
[15:51] <nemo> hehe
[15:51] <chewyland> This is my very first message on IRC in over 10 years...
[15:51] <chewyland> so crazy
[15:51] <nemo> GeekOfflineNL: you know, I found some code the younger me painstakingly typed in DOS on my first modern PC
[15:51] <Chillum> ugh, I learned BASIC when I was 8
[15:51] <nemo> GeekOfflineNL: using super advanced qbasic interface
[15:51] <Chillum> it took me DECADES to unlearn the bad habits
[15:52] * nemo dittoes Chillum
[15:52] <nemo> haha
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[15:52] <nemo> Chillum: don't forget, that young, abstraction is hard to get used to
[15:52] <Chillum> https://xkcd.com/292/
[15:52] <nemo> my code from back then was pretty sad
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[15:52] <Chillum> 10 print "Ryan rules"; 20 goto 10;
[15:52] <Chillum> my first program
[15:52] <nemo> Chillum: both my programs from back then had no functions, even though in theory I'd learned pascal.
[15:53] <chewyland> So what's going on here?
[15:53] <nemo> chewyland: programming language BS
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[15:53] <Chillum> old folks talking about old computers
[15:53] <nemo> chewyland: aaand one person seekign support
[15:53] <nemo> 09:46 < SirLagz> I'm rewiring a 4pin fan to a molex for 12V and just speed sensor. Anyone know if the speed sensor also needs ground from the fan?
[15:53] <nemo> 09:48 < Roonix> They've changed the gpio mappings? Is this right? Why would they do this?
[15:53] <chewyland> Ahhh.
[15:53] <nemo> chewyland: ^^^ actually ontopic stuff
[15:53] <GeekOfflineNL> nemo, i recently saw some old demoscene stuff i created back in the days on C64. Months of work in assembly
[15:53] <nemo> GeekOfflineNL: heh. I have the feeling you are a bit older than me
[15:54] <chewyland> I am waiting for my Zero to arrive and I'm bored
[15:54] <nemo> Chillum: here's something from my angsty tween days I found on an old floppy
[15:54] <GeekOfflineNL> on the hight of C64 i was 14
[15:54] <nemo> Chillum: http://m8y.org/maze.bas
[15:54] <chewyland> can't believe I'm on IRC, so crazy
[15:54] <nemo> chewyland: know anything about SirLagz' question?
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[15:54] <ElectroMotive> chewyland, IRC is the best
[15:54] <pwillard> GeekOfflineNL: HAHA... I liked that
[15:54] <nemo> ♥ IRC
[15:54] <Chillum> ahh spaghetti code
[15:55] <nemo> Chillum: hehe.
[15:55] <nemo> Chillum: it still functions in dosbox if you wanna try it 😃
[15:55] <Chillum> what no goto???
[15:55] <GeekOfflineNL> pwillard, you liked C64?
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[15:55] <ElectroMotive> IRC has saved me from so much potential boredom
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[15:55] <nemo> ElectroMotive: s/boredom/productive work/
[15:55] <pwillard> No, I was a Tandy COCO guy... but it's a similar experience
[15:55] <ElectroMotive> nice
[15:56] * Tenkawa remembers his old coco boxes
[15:56] <ElectroMotive> yeah also i have learned so much cool stuff from others on IRC
[15:56] <GeekOfflineNL> pwillard, then you are also a bit older now :-)
[15:56] <nemo> Chillum: I think at the time I was like pining for a girl or something, thus the stupid subject matter of my "game"
[15:56] <kristina> does rpi3 model B support USB boot?
[15:56] <pwillard> FYI: I'm reliving childhood with SIMH and PDP8 emulator on my PiZero. (with switches and blinkenlights)
[15:57] <GeekOfflineNL> kristina, noop
[15:57] <kristina> craap.
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[15:57] <nemo> pwillard: cool ☺
[15:57] <nemo> pwillard: before my time, but cool ☺
[15:57] <kristina> well hm that makes my life not easier.
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[15:58] <GeekOfflineNL> kristina, life is not supposed to be easy. Where is the fun in easy :)
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[15:58] <kristina> as it turns out.
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[15:58] <kristina> the SDRAM init code i ripped off bootcode.bin only initializes 128MB of RAM
[15:58] <nemo> GeekOfflineNL: netboot?
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[15:58] <kristina> anything beyond that causes a bus error
[15:58] <GeekOfflineNL> kristina, i read some info about booting short from sdcard and then boot OS from network
[15:59] <kristina> i can't boot off the SD card unless i implement a USB driver in my bootcode
[15:59] <GeekOfflineNL> nemo, yes. But you do need SDcard to switch to netboot
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[15:59] <pwillard> I had access to a PDP8 in highschool (when nobody was looking... totally unofficial.. first access to Fortran and Basic) By the time I was 19, I was employed at Digital Equipment though. Did training videos using the PDP-8E for board production facilities.
[16:00] <nemo> pwillard: by the time I was in highschool, our school had just bought colour PCs
[16:00] <GeekOfflineNL> pwillard, i payed for college repairing amiga's and atari ST :-)
[16:00] <GeekOfflineNL> at the local computerstore
[16:00] <kristina> my trap handler is wrong too :S
[16:01] <GeekOfflineNL> men those things broke down a lot !
[16:01] <pwillard> Seeing that you can emulate a $20,0000 PDP-8 with $5 board and it's barely breaking a sweat... pretty awesome... (Maybe just to me)
[16:01] <shauno> why repair an ST when you can just sell them an amiga?!
[16:01] <nemo> pwillard: heh. I ran the math w/ 1st gen raspberry pi... bogomips vs very first x86 PC
[16:01] <TheLostAdmin> It's just you pwillard.
[16:01] <GeekOfflineNL> shauno, people seemed to love them.
[16:01] <nemo> pwillard: you could power a small town w/ power consumption of the equiv bogomips of the PC
[16:02] <nemo> RPI3 probably bumps that up to a medium size town
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[16:02] <nemo> that's not counting gpu ofc
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[16:03] <pwillard> Until the late 1970's, all DEC computers used linear power supplies with massive capacitors and transformers.
[16:03] <nemo> pwillard: actual cost of the chip is probably just pennies...
[16:03] <chewyland> when will be able to network boot the Pi3?
[16:03] <chewyland> or boot directly from USB drive...?
[16:03] <pwillard> Isn't the SD required... no matter what?
[16:03] <TheLostAdmin> chewyland, the answer to your question is either probably never, or today using u-boot. See http://elinux.org/RPi_U-Boot
[16:04] <chewyland> the little SD card thing is driving me nuts..super fiddly especially after they cheaped out on the new micro SD card slot
[16:04] <TheLostAdmin> But you still need to put u-boot on an sd card.
[16:04] <BurtyB> chewyland, most likely "when they make it work" heh
[16:04] <pwillard> yeah, I dropped a board and it landed on the SD card, broke it... of course
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[16:05] <chewyland> I don't like the new non-clicky slot and hate fiddling with the cards even more
[16:05] <pwillard> neither do i
[16:05] <chewyland> u-boot is way too complicated for me
[16:05] <ElectroMotive> u-boot is the way
[16:05] <chewyland> I don't want to use the SD card at all....
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[16:06] <BurtyB> chewyland, get an A+ and use usbboot? (if you can get it to work that is)
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[16:07] <chewyland> I have a 2 and a 2 and Zero on order...getting Pis around here is extremely difficult
[16:07] <chewyland> 2 and a 3
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[16:07] <chewyland> no A+
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[16:08] <GeekOfflineNL> PI's are just not designed for USB boot
[16:08] <chewyland> Too bad, it would make things much easier for everyone...
[16:09] <Roonix> I thought i heard somewhere this would be possible soon on the 3? headware wise it's possible but just needs the software, i may be talking about something else
[16:10] <Roonix> boot from usb i mean
[16:10] <chewyland> someone was talking about it on the podcast but I don't understand any of it
[16:10] <GeekOfflineNL> nemo, i just looked briefly at lua. Seems to me not that simple to work with. i just stick with python for now. I just crashcoursed the basics a few days ago
[16:10] <nemo> GeekOfflineNL: heh. funny. main reason games choose lua is relative simplicity
[16:10] <nemo> GeekOfflineNL: but, yeah, stick w/ what you know
[16:10] <GeekOfflineNL> nemo, but thnx for the tip
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[16:12] <GeekOfflineNL> nemo, yes i saw some info on LUa combined with mobile games, android games and vryENGINE
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[16:18] <nemo> GeekOfflineNL: the speed/lightweightness probably would help on lightweight devices, but, eh, RPi3 is basically a desktop of 5y ago now 😃 (apart from the super annoying GL ☹ )
[16:19] <GeekOfflineNL> :-)
[16:19] <pwillard> graphics library?
[16:22] <nemo> pwillard: so.. I'm hanging out here 'cause I wanna see if situation for running Hedgewars on RPI has improved at all
[16:22] <nemo> pwillard: and if there are any simple tweaks we could make to codebase to get it working graphically accelerated
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[16:22] <nemo> pwillard: my understanding is graphically accelerated X apps is still not a thing.
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[16:22] <nemo> pwillard: what I want to know is if I can get a GLES11/GLES2 context from SDL1.2/SDL2 on the pi. Hedgewars does its own GL ops
[16:23] <Lonefish> can you stream microphone-input (usb-soundcard) through python and output it on the speakers? Maybe through the pygame mixer? Or anything else that can switch between local files and mic input?
[16:23] <GeekOfflineNL> in my days, hedgewars was called "worms" :-)
[16:24] <nemo> GeekOfflineNL: ☹
[16:24] <nemo> don't be mean
[16:24] <pwillard> ah
[16:24] <nemo> GeekOfflineNL: we prefer to think that we are in the genre - try to do original stuff tho
[16:24] <nemo> GeekOfflineNL: lots of lua these days, also neat weps like portal gun
[16:25] <GeekOfflineNL> nemo, oh ;-|
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[16:38] <Chunkyz> Hello, it's me! I was wondering after all these years...
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[16:40] <pwillard> it's the Todd
[16:43] <Chunkyz> Todd?
[16:43] * Chunkyz runs off now faugusztin is here :/
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[16:46] <faugusztin> Chunkyz: :(
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[16:48] <pwillard> Todd Rundgren did a song "Hello, it's me"
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[16:51] <hypermist> since this is rasp pi related and i've posted in another chan im going to post it here, the message im about to post is related to the pigrrl zero
[16:51] <hypermist> <hypermist> Im thinking now do i attempt to buy a chinese battery pack.
[16:51] <hypermist> <hypermist> and see actually how big it is in person before 3d printing a case for the project or do i just save what i've got and keep saving till about nextyear XDD
[16:51] <hypermist> <hypermist> what do you think ?
[16:51] <hypermist> (sorry for spam)
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[16:53] <Roonix> chinese battery pack, go for it
[16:54] <hypermist> Roonix, but problem is i'll have to design the whole case to store the batteries and such which is the thing im most worried about :|
[16:55] <hypermist> because this thing is meant to be portable haha
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[16:55] <Roonix> what's the other option? you wont need to make a case for it? Or is there already a case made for it?
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[16:56] <hypermist> there's going to be a case made for it, because its hand held.
[16:56] <hypermist> the other option is awaiting about 3-12months for having the money to buy all parts from adafruit
[16:56] <hypermist> only reason i say thatis because shipping from adafruit to me in newzealand is highly pricey haha
[16:57] <GeekOfflineNL> does adafruit makes there own battery packs? if they just order chinese as well, you could also just order chinees pack
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[16:58] <hypermist> adafruit does, lipo batteries that are 3.7v 2500mAh, with a booster circuit to bring it to 5V
[16:58] <Roonix> ahh i see, so if you go with adafruit they have the plans for a case so you wont need to make your own
[16:59] <hypermist> yea i'll be using adafruits case, but the fact is if im going to stick the chinese battery pack inside the case, i'd need to do some redesigning heh
[17:00] <pwillard> don't they give the source?
[17:01] <hypermist> they do give the src i said i'd need to still design the case pwillard
[17:01] <Roonix> what is the chinese battery pack? can you not get a lithium 3.7v 200mAh from ebay or something or one from china or whatever?
[17:01] <hypermist> aka modify it to handle 18650 batteries
[17:02] <hypermist> they have a 3.7v*2 aka 2 batteries, with a booster ciruit or just a usb and micro usb circuit on the front on the pack to charge devices off it
[17:02] <hypermist> And the reason i can't sort of use 200mAh is that i need to get a PiTft screen most likely going to be ada or pimoroni or something along those lines
[17:03] <Roonix> the adafruit one does look pretty slick, probs best to just go with it, thats the safe option :D
[17:04] <Roonix> least you know everything will work and look good
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[17:04] <hypermist> but the fact that if i go with adafruit for the battery + the booster + the screen it totals to around 100-150$ nzd
[17:04] <nemo> hypermist: I have an Anker 10 000 mAh I use for my phone - would that be for pi you think?
[17:05] <hypermist> depends on how much it cost to buy one nemo hahah
[17:05] <nemo> these days I have a better phone w/ replaceable battery after ditching the nexus 5, so I don't really need it anymore
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[17:07] <hypermist> https://learn.adafruit.com/pigrrl-zero/overview this is the project
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[17:07] <hypermist> its just so expensive to buy from adafruit is why im trying to go the chinese method and such
[17:07] <hypermist> xD
[17:09] <hypermist> i've got someone who can print me the 3d case
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[17:11] <hypermist> Because im still missing the screen
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[17:20] <hypermist> why the silence haha
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[17:24] <Roonix> because I spilled my tea all over my desk and have spent the last 10mins trying to clean it up >.<
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[17:26] <Roonix> I wish I liked straight black tea without milk & sugar, it would make my inevitable spillages less horrible, sugar is sticky and milk stinks
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[17:28] <Chillum> use a sippie cup
[17:28] <SpeedEvil> Or use sweetner.
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[17:30] <Chillum> SpeedEvil: eww that is gross
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[17:31] <Roonix> i tried those cup things with the lids, these: http://thumbs4.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mVBkqafW0SeD5R1Jsw0d3CQ.jpg but I use so much milk in my teaa (full fat milk ofc) that the milk sort of goes weird and collects on the plastic lid in a horrible way
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[17:34] <Bilby> Roonix: I use travel mugs like that regularly (coffee + half and half) and yea, you have to clean them pretty thoroughly
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[17:39] <oq> Roonix: some black tea is nice, the ones which are meant to be drunk without milk, like earl grey
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[17:40] <oq> the problem with regular tea is its meant to be drunk with milk, the tea taste (tannins?) is just too darn strong otherwise
[17:40] <hypermist> Roonix, your not meant to spill it :P
[17:41] <faugusztin> it seems i will have to use a full linux distro & chromium & vnc for a music player for google play music all access. Rune Audio and Volumio does not support Google Play Music, Mopidy has the plugin for it on "life support" (their words, not mine)...
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[17:41] <hypermist> but i guess Roonix and all the others that responded to me, i might attempt to use a chinese battery pack and well see how it gooooes
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[17:42] <hypermist> if it can barely charge my phone then i know its not going to work for a pi0 :D
[17:42] <hypermist> or maybe it will i dunno
[17:42] <oq> the pi zero wants barely any power
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[17:43] <oq> and a phone will take up as much power as you'll give it with quick charge
[17:43] <hypermist> Lol oq
[17:43] <hypermist> long link incomming because aliexpress
[17:43] <hypermist> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Power-Bank-5600mah-USB-Powerbank-External-Battery-Portable-Charger-Bateria-Externa-Pack-for-iphone-Samsung-Mobile/32631147051.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.1.GJMnJu&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_0,searchweb201602_4_10017_10021_507_10022_10020_10009_10008_10018_10019,searchweb201603_2&btsid=a299f969-f5bb-4b76-aae2-e15a4ceedeae
[17:43] <hypermist> is the chinese battery pack im going to get when my bitcoin confirms ;|
[17:44] <SpeedEvil> you can terminate after html
[17:44] <oq> hypermist: the 18650's inside are probably junk
[17:44] <hypermist> oh i can SpeedEvil ?
[17:45] <hypermist> oq, thats why im buying it and seeing how crappy it is
[17:45] <hypermist> and deciding if i will ever use it for the pi0 project
[17:45] <faugusztin> hypermist: have you heard of goo.gl ? you might use that next time instead of the long link :P
[17:45] <hypermist> faugusztin, :p
[17:46] <GRiZL0C> i like the new logitech logo
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[17:47] <oq> hypermist: get something like this, http://www.ebay.com/itm/331643944479, and you can wire up your own 18650's
[17:47] <Roonix> never really liked their old one
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[17:48] <Roonix> Instagram's new logo is terrible
[17:48] <GRiZL0C> logo you mean the icon?
[17:49] <GRiZL0C> it changed to a purplish icon on my phone
[17:49] <EtienneM> Don't like it either
[17:49] <oq> this? https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/aYbdIM1abwyVSUZLDKoE0CDZGRhlkpsaPOg9tNnBktUQYsXflwknnOn2Ge1Yr7rImGk=w300-rw
[17:49] <Roonix> yeah thats it
[17:51] <Roonix> hypermist, that chinese battery pack looks a little bit big, looks like it will make the case a lot thicker
[17:51] <Hitechcg> >5600mAh
[17:51] <Hitechcg> Why not invest in a bigger one?
[17:51] <Hitechcg> I got a 115200 one for $40
[17:52] <GRiZL0C> hey guys whats the best browser on raspbian im not into epiphany
[17:52] <Hitechcg> wtf
[17:52] <Hitechcg> why did I write 115200
[17:52] <Hitechcg> 13000 mAh
[17:52] <oq> Hitechcg: because its only two cells?
[17:52] <oq> the max you can get 18650's in nowadays is only like 3400mah
[17:52] <Roonix> its for a pigrrl zero so size is important
[17:53] <Hitechcg> I think mine's at least 4 cells
[17:53] <Roonix> GRiZL0C, i see a lot of people using IceWeasel which is a stripped down FireFox i believe
[17:53] <oq> for a pigrrl wouldn't you want to use one of those flat lipos?
[17:53] <oq> 18650's would be super thick
[17:53] <Hitechcg> Roonix: Not stripped down, just rebranded
[17:53] <GRiZL0C> does iceweasel run okay on pi 3?
[17:54] <Roonix> Hitechcg, ahhh ok
[17:54] <EtienneM> Too bad Chromium doesn't support Jessie
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[17:54] <EtienneM> Jessie doesn't support Chromium*
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[17:54] <GRiZL0C> i hate epiphany you guys post a link i click on it epiphany doesnt even open then i copy past and still nothing
[17:54] <Hitechcg> Debian rebranded Iceweasel because of trademark and logo copyright reasons - since Debian patches Firefox, they can't use the official name or logo
[17:55] <GRiZL0C> yeH CHROMIUM WOULD BE NICE
[17:55] <GRiZL0C> achhhhh
[17:55] <Hitechcg> On a Pi? lolno
[17:55] <GRiZL0C> damn caps
[17:55] <Hitechcg> Don't get me wrong, I love Chromium
[17:55] <Hitechcg> But that browser just eats RAM
[17:56] <GRiZL0C> isnt chromium a stripped down arm version of chrome?
[17:56] <oq> you mean the pi has pathetic specs, I wouldn't even run a desktop environment on one let alone a web browser
[17:56] <Hitechcg> Chromium is the open-source (not ARM specific) version of Chrome
[17:56] <TheLostAdmin> chromium is not stripped down, it's just open-source.
[17:57] <Hitechcg> Only difference is that Chrome has a few proprietary features (such as the auto-updater and I believe crash reporter) that are not in Chromium
[17:57] <GRiZL0C> mmmkay didnt know that
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[17:59] <EtienneM> I meant Chromium-browser, not the OS
[17:59] <Roonix> what about Pale Moon? That any good?
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[18:02] <TheLostAdmin> Back on topic, I've tried epiphany and Midori on the Pi. They are about equal in my opinion.
[18:02] <TheLostAdmin> That is to say, both a reasonably lightweight browsers with limited features.
[18:04] * ozzzy_ only uses chrome
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[18:04] <EtienneM> ozzzy_: But what do you use on the pi then?
[18:05] <GRiZL0C> as long as i can watch some dr dre snoop dogg videos on youtube iceweael is okay ... Rpi3 is no desktop computer but it should at least play some youtube videos
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[18:06] <ozzzy_> EtienneM, I don't
[18:06] <ozzzy_> [grin]
[18:06] <ozzzy_> browsing on the pi was just horribly slow, so I uninstalled the browsers and just don't
[18:06] <GRiZL0C> still hittnm corners in the loloz girl
[18:06] <GRiZL0C> :)
[18:07] * ozzzy_ goes shopping
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[18:07] <GRiZL0C> i also went shopping
[18:07] <GRiZL0C> have fun ozzzy
[18:07] <EtienneM> GRiZL0C: Why don't you just try it then? I'm only having an old RPi 1B, can't even browse normally on that ;)
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[18:08] <GRiZL0C> try what?
[18:08] <EtienneM> IceWeasel
[18:08] <GRiZL0C> am already on it
[18:08] <EtienneM> Ah
[18:08] <GRiZL0C> it runs okay on rpi3
[18:09] <ElectroMotive> anyone tried qtcsdr?
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[19:03] <Chunkyz> ozzzy_, what browser did you try? I have palemoon tweaked and browsing websites is fine, can load facebook, youtube, gmail etc no problems.
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[19:06] <GRiZL0C> whats palemoon Chunkyz?
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[19:09] <GRiZL0C> Chubkyz: is that another browser?
[19:10] <GRiZL0C> Damn typos i still need to get used to this new keyboard
[19:11] <GRiZL0C> Chunkyz: does Palemoon install on rpi 3 running raspbian?
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[19:26] <hypermist> oq, aroudn still ?
[19:26] <oq> ?
[19:26] <hypermist> http://www.ebay.com/itm/5PCS-5V-Micro-USB-1A-18650-Lithium-Battery-Charging-Board-Charger-Module-Z3-/261962112987?hash=item3cfe289fdb:g:vU8AAOSwT6pVn4om will this work too
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[19:27] <hypermist> it looks the same
[19:28] <hypermist> nope im wrong
[19:28] <hypermist> I dont know im confused im really tired
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[19:29] <hypermist> oq ^
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[19:31] <Ivoah> For those that don't follow @raspberry_pi on twitter: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/05/google-to-bring-official-android-support-to-the-raspberry-pi-3/
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[19:31] <hypermist> Because from the look of that chip you solder to B+ and B-, then solder say a microusb connector from the out - and out +
[19:32] <hypermist> and charge the battery via the micro usb connector thats already on there?, anyone able to confirm if im correct lol :)
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[19:34] <JakeSays> got my pine64's today. interesting looking board
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[19:35] <Ivoah> JakeSays: you should run benchmarks!
[19:35] <Ivoah> assuming you have a Pi 3
[19:35] <JakeSays> i do (three of 'em)
[19:35] <JakeSays> but i'm more interested in the wifi capabilities
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[19:37] <JakeSays> the pine wifi board has a slick looking antenna on it
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[19:37] <hypermist> yes oq i would use a flat lipo
[19:37] <hypermist> but they're to expensive to buy
[19:37] <hypermist> so i was looking at chinese stuff
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[19:39] <Ivoah> JakeSays: the pine64 has wifi too?
[19:39] <hypermist> oq?
[19:39] <JakeSays> Ivoah: its a $10 addon. the board has dedicated headers for it
[19:40] <Ivoah> so how much was it all together?
[19:40] <JakeSays> um, $40'ish
[19:40] <JakeSays> i got the 2gb board with wifi
[19:41] <hypermist> guys will http://www.aliexpress.com/item/FREE-SHIPPING-1X-6000mah-battery-18650-battery-3-7V-6000mAh-rechargeable-liion-battery-for-Led-flashlight/32648610630.html and http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-10pcs-lot-5V-Micro-USB-1A-18650-Lithium-Battery-Charging-Board-With-Protection-Charger/32487273473.html
[19:41] <hypermist> work together ?
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[19:41] <JakeSays> the pine also comes with an rtc, which is cool
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[19:43] <crat0z> hey, has anyone had success with running murmur on their rpi? I know it's on raspbian, but I'm using gentoo on mine.
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[19:46] <JakeSays> Ivoah: interesting - one of the headers is labeled "PI 2 BUS"
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[19:47] <Ivoah> Is it 40 pins?
[19:49] <JakeSays> yes
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[19:49] <Boro_> Hello, i am doing a raspi project using rs232 and I need help with determining the right cable. I want to buy usb->4pin 3.5mm jack but there are 2 voltages, 3.3v and 5v which one should I get? Also I assume I can read rs232 from usb in raspi right?
[19:50] <pksato> Boro_: 3.3V version
[19:50] <JakeSays> Boro_: wouldnt you want to use the pi's UART instead of usb?
[19:50] <Bilby> Hi Boro_, you want to use USB on the Pi side?
[19:51] <Boro_> Bilby: yes
[19:51] <pksato> usb->4pin 3.5mm jack?
[19:51] <Boro_> JakeSays: well I could, this just seems simpler
[19:51] <Bilby> Okay, what voltage does the RS232 device need? Usually it's 5V
[19:52] <Ivoah> Bilby: RS232 is not 5V, it's like 12V or something
[19:52] <Ivoah> RS232 is a subset of serial
[19:52] <JakeSays> Boro_: i'm pretty sure you can buy a simple rs232 adapter for pi
[19:52] <Bilby> Isn't it +7 -7?
[19:52] <pksato> RS232 have +12V -12V logic levels.
[19:52] <JakeSays> Ivoah: its 5v
[19:52] <Bilby> that's it
[19:52] <JakeSays> oh maybe no
[19:52] <Ivoah> serial can be any voltage, but the RS232 standard is 12V
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[19:52] <Bilby> ^
[19:52] <Boro_> Bilby: thats a good question, there is no mention of voltage in the manual, it just says to connect db9->4pin jack, or if you dont have db9 on pc then use usb->db9 converter
[19:52] <Bilby> sorry just got back from lunch and my brain is not in gear haha
[19:52] <m1dnight_> I have bought this device: http://www.lisiparoi.com/how-to-use/. I am wondering why they connect it to the 3v3 pin (1), the 5v pin (2) and the ground. I think the 5v is just to power the led, but I have no clue why it is connected to the 3v3 (1) pin.
[19:52] <Ivoah> Boro_: then yes, it is RS232 and needs 12V
[19:53] <pksato> if have a DB9 or DB25 connector, this is a standard RS232 levels.
[19:53] <Ivoah> trying to connect it to the Pi's UART would kill the Pi. A USB to RS232 would indeed be easiest
[19:53] <Bilby> m1dnight_: that's a neat toy. the 3V3 line is to control the device
[19:54] <Boro_> Ivoah: but usb is just 5v, so I can assume that 5v cable will be fine?
[19:54] <ShorTie> pi's are 3.3v, not 5
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[19:54] <Bilby> see the heading called Switching the LISIPAROI on and off
[19:54] <TheLostAdmin> RS232 might be 12v but I've never seen a computer actually put more than 5v on a serial port.
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[19:54] <Ivoah> Boro_: a USB to RS232 converter will make the necessary conversions from 5v to 12v
[19:54] <Bilby> Boro_: if you're buying a USB to RS232 adapter there should be no voltage option
[19:54] <m1dnight_> ShorTie: I looked up the pins for the rpi here: http://www.raspberrypi-spy.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Raspberry-Pi-GPIO-Layout-Revision-1.png
[19:54] <m1dnight_> That does say it's 5v, right?
[19:54] <Bilby> Boro_ are you seeing a voltage option on your adapter?
[19:55] <GeekOfflineNL> Boro_, i always use a USB2RS232 converter. Just to protect my PIś. These things cost only a few bucks.
[19:55] <Ivoah> m1dnight_: that says that the 5v pins are producing 5v from the voltage regulator, but the IO pins are 3.3v
[19:55] <Boro_> Bilby: I have not bought the adapter yet, thats why im here :)
[19:55] <Bilby> okay
[19:55] <Bilby> there's only one voltage for USB (5v) and one for RS232(+-12v) so you just need any adapter
[19:56] <m1dnight_> Okay. So as I understand it, the device just grabs power to operate from a 5v pin (2 or 4) and is controlled by the 3.3v pins. correct?
[19:56] <Bilby> it looks like you can do yourself a favor and get one that comes out in the correct 4 pin jack rather than a DB9 connector, though
[19:56] <pksato> Boro_: have a two type of usb rs232 adapter. usb to RS232 levels.
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[19:56] <Bilby> m1dnight_: right
[19:56] <pksato> and usb to ttl or lvttl levels.
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[19:56] <m1dnight_> Cool, thanks :) Ill grab a book or something, though. I don't want to break the pi :>
[19:56] <Bilby> m1dnight_: you can even power the device from a separate +5V power supply (as long as ground is common)
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[19:56] <Boro_> pksato: it says it uses rs232 protocol, so 12v then
[19:57] <pksato> RS232 levels are used to connect to devices like modems and terminal.
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[19:57] <pksato> and some industrial device.
[19:57] <Boro_> pksato: its a/v amplifier/controller
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[19:58] <m1dnight_> Bilby: that would have been my next problem. I have the camera, the light ring and the temp/humidity sensor. The light ring pulls 600mA. The temp sensor (AM2302) 2,5mA. So my guess is that I would be asking too much. Haven't looked at it in detail, though. Trying out all parts seperately.
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[19:58] <Bilby> yes, that's definitely RS232
[19:58] <pksato> ttl and lvttl are used to connect to logic boards, like rapsberry pi, arduino, router borads, etc.
[19:58] <GeekOfflineNL> i think RS232 signal voltage levels can be anything between +3 and +25V
[19:58] <Bilby> 2 1/2 mA or 250 mA, m1dnight_ ?
[19:58] <GeekOfflineNL> can imaging my PIś with USB2RS232 convert from 5v to 12V
[19:58] <Bilby> 0 (space) Asserted +3 to +15 V
[19:58] <m1dnight_> 2 1/2 mA.
[19:58] <Bilby> 1 (mark) Deasserted −15 to −3 V
[19:58] <GeekOfflineNL> can�t
[19:58] <Bilby> haha
[19:59] <Bilby> i need to not eat so much. yes, RS232 is designed as a pretty durable specification so there's a huge range of acceptable voltages
[19:59] <pksato> Boro_: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Durable-New-USB-2-0-to-Serial-RS232-DB9-9Pin-Adapter-Converter-Cable-EFUS-/272205577365?hash=item3f60b77c95:g:84QAAOSwdpxUWdps
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[20:00] <JakeSays> so now i need to figure out what to do with these pines
[20:00] <Boro_> pksato: I was looking at this btw https://www.reichelt.com/USB-Converters/DELOCK-83779/3/index.html?&ACTION=3&LA=2&ARTICLE=163091&GROUPID=6105&artnr=DELOCK+83779
[20:02] <pksato> or a MAX3232 converter to use rpi uart.
[20:03] <pksato> Boro_: you need to check the divice (a/v amp) specifications.
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[20:05] <pksato> USB side don't matter, always is 5V.
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[20:07] <Ivoah> JakeSays: you should give one to me :P
[20:08] <JakeSays> nowayman.
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[20:19] <m1dnight_> Damn. My solder game is not strong.
[20:19] <m1dnight_> I hope I didn't wreck this light ring :<
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[20:25] <GeekOfflineNL> anyone know how to enable/disable the function that when pressing a ' it waits for the nex key to change it into a � instead of just typing the '
[20:25] <GeekOfflineNL> (in debian/raspbian/ubutnu)
[20:25] <m1dnight_> Oh, that's called dead keys, I think.
[20:26] <pksato> select a keyboard without dead keys.
[20:27] <GeekOfflineNL> oh deadkeys....
[20:27] <pksato> but, some country/language always have dead keys enabled.
[20:28] <ThePendulum> I prefer dead keys
[20:28] <ThePendulum> mostly through stockholm syndrom though
[20:28] <ThePendulum> I enabled it once and now I automatically hit space when typing ' if I literally need it
[20:29] <ThePendulum> so if I disable dead keys everything just looks like don 't
[20:29] <ThePendulum> or don' t rather
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[20:33] <GeekOfflineNL> selected a keyboard international with � on the 5 ..... no deadkeys :-)
[20:33] <pksato> http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/05/google-to-bring-official-android-support-to-the-raspberry-pi-3/ (by liz)
[20:33] <GeekOfflineNL> thx
[20:34] <Ivoah> pksato: I just posted that same link an hour ago :P
[20:35] <pksato> I just see now on rpi forum.
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[20:37] <Boro_> Is it possible to cut this cable http://soundgroup.co.nz/sites/default/files/imagecache/product_full/image_ire_1.jpg and read from it on raspi? Its IR blaster to send commands to devices
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[20:39] <pksato> Boro_: you always can cut non energised cable. :)
[20:40] <GeekOfflineNL> normally that would only be binary signals. send by some serial protocol.
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[20:41] <GeekOfflineNL> RC-something ..... protocol
[20:41] <pksato> Boro_: IF WANT to control the device what use this cable, seek lirc project.
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[20:43] <GeekOfflineNL> or connect an ir receiver to the pi :-)
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[20:44] <GeekOfflineNL> depending on your need to read from the cable.
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[20:54] <hondz> Hi guys. I need some help
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[20:54] <hondz> Can a single raspberry pi 3 host 10 low-traffic PHP websites concurrently ?
[20:55] <mfa298> it might be able to, depends a bit on the site
[20:55] <mfa298> best option would be set it up and benchmark it
[20:55] <Ivoah> hondz: sounds doable
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[20:56] <hondz> Ivoah: So if it does that job, it is safe to say that it's a better investment due to low cost and low power consumption ?
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[20:57] <mfa298> hondz: I think a lot more information would be needed to say yes or no
[20:58] <hondz> mfa298: Such as ?
[20:58] <mfa298> i.e. how easy is it to recover if it fails, and how quickly do you need to get the sites back up
[20:58] <hondz> mfa298: Let's say that's not very important
[20:59] <mfa298> If I had a Pi in a datacentre servign up sites and it broke then that probably means a trip to the data centre. A decent server should have remote access allowing a lot of things to be sorted remotely
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[20:59] <mfa298> if it's sites you don't care about at all a Pi might work, as before try it and see.
[20:59] <hondz> mfa298: That's not a problem at all
[21:00] <autrilla> I just used a 5V usb-rs232 thingy on my raspi, how likely is it I fried the UART?
[21:00] <autrilla> it was just me hitting the return key waiting for a prompt
[21:00] <autrilla> So, not a lot of current going through, hopefully
[21:01] <pksato> autrilla: possibly. You fried input.
[21:01] <mfa298> some of the things I've written as websites might struggle on a Pi, Other things you could probably get the Pi doing a lot of page requests a second (The raspberrypi.org site was apparently runnign on a few Pi3s at one point)
[21:02] <mfa298> hondz: it really is a case of try it, bench mark it and see how it goes.
[21:02] <autrilla> pksato: :(
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[21:03] <mfa298> autrilla: it's te voltage that can do damage rather than current, and I think serial usually idles at high voltage.
[21:03] <pksato> autrilla: to test, jump tx and rx pins, and run a terminal emulator (minicom, screen), disable hw flow control, and echo. If you get typed key, Its working.
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[21:05] <autrilla> pksato: I think I'll have to disable raspbian's terminal over tty stuff first
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[21:06] <pksato> oh, yes.
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[21:19] <m1dnight_> Guys, can you determine if an output pin is high or low in python?
[21:20] <m1dnight_> I can't really find it for pins that are set to output.
[21:20] <Bilby> hm
[21:21] <Bilby> Note that you can read the current state of a channel set up as an output using the input() function. For example to toggle an output:
[21:21] <Bilby> GPIO.output(12, not GPIO.input(12))
[21:21] <Bilby> https://sourceforge.net/p/raspberry-gpio-python/wiki/Outputs/
[21:22] <m1dnight_> Oh!
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[21:31] <m1dnight_> That worked, thanks Bilby
[21:32] <Bilby> welcome :)
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[21:46] <m1dnight_> Hrm, the light is always on. I think I broke the led thing.
[21:46] <m1dnight_> However, shouldn't it be off by default?
[21:47] <CharlesN> where I could find hardfloat images for FreeBSD ?
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[21:48] <Bilby> you have an LED on the GPIO pin, m1dnight_ ?
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[21:56] <daned33> Hey there
[21:56] <daned33> Is there a way having to avoid having to sudo anything that needs to use i2c?
[21:57] <traeak> group jacking i would gather
[21:58] <m1dnight_> Oh dear. I have made a booboo. I connected it to the 3v3 pin (1). Not to a gpio pin.
[21:58] * m1dnight_ facepalms. Sorry for wasting braincycles guys :)
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[22:04] <Bilby> magic!
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[22:17] <m1dnight_> http://call-cc.be:8090/test.webm !
[22:17] <m1dnight_> So flashy!
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[22:27] <Berg> not loading
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[22:28] <m1dnight_> Its offline, just now :>
[22:28] <m1dnight_> Attached the temp sensor as well.
[22:29] <Berg> is it flash player?
[22:29] <m1dnight_> No, its html5 video.
[22:29] <m1dnight_> And I had my infrared light flashing :>
[22:30] <m1dnight_> Hard thing about debugging the flash light. You really need an IR camera :D
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[22:33] <Bilby> cell phone camera
[22:33] <Bilby> any digital camera really, but most people have a mobile phone on them :)
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[22:35] <m1dnight_> Hunk. I must test this theory!
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[22:40] <richieacc> Hi!
[22:40] <Berg> hi
[22:41] <richieacc> I'm on a pi 3 running ubuntu mate. I'm trying to program my arduino off the uart. I'm not winning. I have disabled the serial console in /boot/cmdline.txt, and I have stopped the serial-getty@ttyAMA0.service service. But it's not working. It sends the reset to the arduino, but no data.
[22:41] <Berg> i got a job today. Im a match counter at the novelty match company I have to count the amount of matchjes on the little billfold typ matches
[22:42] <xxValiumxx> Berg, I see a use for a raspberry pi and some openCV
[22:42] <richieacc> I didn't know that was a thing.
[22:42] <Berg> :)
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[22:45] <Berg> I never used arduino
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[22:49] <devster31> to boot from another drive I just have to edit the config.txt file in the root section?
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[22:50] <reisio> this 'silentinstall' information still accurate? https://github.com/raspberrypi/noobs#user-content-how-to-automatically-install-an-os
[22:50] <mfa298> richieacc: one think to be aware of is that many arduinos are 5V, which will damage your Pi. You need to check your arduino is 3.3v or have a level convertor in there
[22:51] <richieacc> This is a 3.3v Arduino Pro Mini.
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[22:52] <richieacc> I have it connected to the 3v3 and gnd on the Pi, and it is running the sketch that's on it perfectly. I have the rx and tx lines connected, crossed, of course.
[22:52] <Bilby> reisio: looks pretty crrent
[22:52] <reisio> Bilby: thanks
[22:52] <Bilby> richieacc: are you able to send or receive serial data?
[22:52] <Bilby> * not in programming mode
[22:52] <reisio> how long would a 'silentinstall' take for an original rpi?
[22:52] <richieacc> The current sketch does not transmit or receive anything, so I'm uncertain of that.
[22:53] <Bilby> probably about the same as non-silent, maybe 5 minutes? somewhere in there
[22:53] <Bilby> any reason why you're doing a silent install on NOOBS rather than just installing the distro you want?
[22:53] <Bilby> richieacc: drat
[22:53] <richieacc> yeah
[22:53] <richieacc> :p
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[22:53] <richieacc> I can open the serial monitor from arduino ide, but it gets rubbush
[22:54] <Bilby> look through this at all? https://learn.adafruit.com/program-an-avr-or-arduino-using-raspberry-pi-gpio-pins/overview
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[22:54] <Bilby> oh yeah i forgot they released a version of arduino dev environment for the pi
[22:55] <richieacc> Thanks, yeah. That's pretty much the tutorial I followed on my pi 1 to get the arduino programmed in the first place.
[22:55] <mfa298> I think the Pi3 has had some uart issues as does the latest Jessie image,
[22:55] <mfa298> I'm not sure on the state of those now though
[22:55] <richieacc> That makes me sad.
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[22:56] <Bilby> not going to lie, this looks like a much bigger pain in the tuchis than arduino -> usb -> windows
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[22:56] <richieacc> I don't have a FTDI, and my serial ports are 5v
[22:57] <mfa298> I think the Jessie image was that the /dev/ttyAMA0 device didn't showup if you disabled serial console
[22:57] <richieacc> I have ttyAMA0, and I have ttyS0
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[23:00] <reisio> hey it finally showed up on my router :D
[23:01] <richieacc> This is interesting... http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/45570/how-do-i-make-serial-work-on-the-raspberry-pi3/45571#45571
[23:01] <mfa298> I think the Pi3 issue was that it didn't keep the right baudrate, I think that's fixable somehow but not sure how. The underlying issue might also be fixed in the current releases.
[23:01] <richieacc> it seems the kernel disables the uart by default, and you need a parameter in cmdline.txt to turn it on.
[23:01] <richieacc> I need to reboot...
[23:01] <mfa298> I've not been keeping track of it as I'm not using serial on my Pi3
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[23:03] <Rickta59> you could always plug in a usb dongle that would just work
[23:03] <reisio> noobs has an ncurses configurator script, right? Someone remind me its name?
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[23:05] <richieacc> Ok... that seems to have not worked.
[23:05] <reisio> raspi-config?
[23:05] <Berg> yes
[23:06] <reisio> :D
[23:06] <Berg> <--very helpfull
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[23:08] <reisio> I recognized it after I found it, but it /is/ nice to have confirmation, even after the fact :)
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[23:09] <reisio> darned old sdcard up and died on me
[23:09] <reisio> had a decent run, I s'pose
[23:10] <walle303> I'm having some issues with Alsa, snd_bcm2835 is loaded but Alsa says there are no sound cards
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[23:30] <Berg> how long did it last reisio
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[23:31] <reisio> since I joined to somewhere close o when I realized it'd loaded
[23:31] <reisio> so less than 13 minutes
[23:31] <reisio> more than I wanted :p
[23:32] <Berg> walle303: try 'sudo raspi-config' and make sure your sound is set to what devise you need hdmi or jack
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[23:33] <walle303> Berg, It is, I've also set hdmi_force_edid_audio and hdmi_drive but it still says there are no audio devices
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[23:33] <walle303> Audio from within Kodi works, but Alsa does not work
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[23:35] <walle303> Berg, I'm unable to use raspi-config to set the sound as amixer does not work
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[23:36] <walle303> amixer: Control default open error: No such file or directory
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[23:37] <Berg> i just checked my pi3 and alsa mixer says i have pulseaudio as sound car
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[23:38] <Berg> you must have a sound system installed
[23:38] <Berg> do you have alsa or pulse audio installedA?
[23:39] <walle303> Alsa is installed, but does not detect any devices
[23:39] <Berg> hmm
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[23:39] <Berg> did you upgrade system?
[23:39] <Berg> not that i think thats the problem
[23:39] <Berg> but might help
[23:39] <Chunkyz> Berg, you added dtparam=audio=on to /boot/config.txt?
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[23:41] <Chunkyz> Or whoever is having a sound issues
[23:41] <Berg> im not having a sound issue walle303 is
[23:41] <Chunkyz> walle303 do above and reboot
[23:42] <walle303> system is rebooting
[23:42] <Berg> https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/configuration/audio-config.md
[23:42] <Berg> same thing
[23:42] <walle303> Chunkyz, That fixed alsa, thanks
[23:42] <Chunkyz> :)
[23:42] <Berg> :)
[23:43] <walle303> Is that something new with kernel 4.4?
[23:43] <walle303> Kernel 4.2 never had that problem
[23:43] <Chunkyz> Kind of...
[23:43] <Chunkyz> Anyway, night.
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[23:45] <Berg> night
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[23:51] <devster31> what does it mean "backpower" in the usb hubs page?
[23:52] <shauno> when the hub provides power to the host. usually not by design
[23:52] <shauno> (but not always unwanted either)
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[23:58] <GRiZL0C> haha just used an old 40GB PS3 Phat rive inside a 2.5inch hdd case to make it a usb hdd storage device. Too bad its a SATA150 drive with only 2MB cache. Must be one of those eraly low spec hdd's. Only if i knew how to make it a Rpi NAS drive so I can see it under windows network
[23:58] <GRiZL0C> drive*
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[23:58] <mfa298> GRiZL0C: samba
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