#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2016-06-04

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[0:00] <hypermist> ThePendulum, got an iamge of waht your led grid looks liek even with taht on the ui ?
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[0:05] <ThePendulum> hypermist: not sure what you mean with the last part
[0:05] <ThePendulum> I can take a pic of my grid
[0:05] <hypermist> yea thats what i mean
[0:05] <hypermist> haha
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[0:05] <ThePendulum> oh I forgot my phone, err, let me see if I got a camera
[0:05] <ThePendulum> my webcam :o
[0:05] <ThePendulum> let me draw something real quick, I restarted the server
[0:06] <ThePendulum> time to get presets working so I can just load it back up
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[0:10] <hypermist> lol
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[0:13] <ThePendulum> hypermist: bit hard to take good pics in sync from my phone and with my grid upside down from where I'm sitting atm http://imgur.com/a/f1NfP
[0:13] <ThePendulum> *from my webcam
[0:13] <hypermist> did you see me trying to write me
[0:13] <hypermist> ._.
[0:13] <ThePendulum> ... I -just- went upstairs where I left my phone too, should've brought it back down
[0:13] <hypermist> i failed
[0:13] <ThePendulum> lol did you write ME?
[0:13] <hypermist> Yeeeeep
[0:13] <ThePendulum> Yeah I saw that, 16×16 is surprisingly few pixels to write on haha
[0:14] <hypermist> if i made it a little bit higher on the e
[0:14] <hypermist> then it'd been fine
[0:14] <ThePendulum> haha
[0:15] <ThePendulum> I should add a flip config option so I can flip the entire thing
[0:15] <ThePendulum> although that would mean it's upside down in the feedback as well
[0:16] <ThePendulum> well I could arrange that in a number of ways
[0:18] <ThePendulum> do note this is being drawn onto the LEDs almost instantly, but I can't set the feedback to the same refresh rate, it'd completely overflow the server
[0:18] <hypermist> i failed to write it again...
[0:18] <ThePendulum> or the browser rather
[0:18] <hypermist> damn mouse to pointer ratio
[0:18] <ThePendulum> haha
[0:18] <SyncYourDogmas> is it in python?
[0:18] <ThePendulum> node.js, not ideal for actually driving the LEDs, more than ideal for the interface itself
[0:19] <ThePendulum> SyncYourDogmas: between node, Python and C they all have a critical flaw
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[0:19] <hypermist> you have no ereaser ThePendulum
[0:19] <ThePendulum> I do
[0:19] <SyncYourDogmas> ah. shame I could have rate limited ouput. you can embed C in python
[0:19] <hypermist> how do i tell if it works ?
[0:20] <ThePendulum> Huczas: the eraser makes it shine through, you need to use black to actually dim the LED
[0:20] <SyncYourDogmas> if thats your issue
[0:20] <ThePendulum> Python apparently doesn't have a math interpreter lib, node has a fantastic math interpreter lib available but can't really run them fast and efficiently
[0:20] <ThePendulum> and C is a PITA for any web interfacing
[0:20] <hypermist> ahhh oaky ThePendulum
[0:20] <SyncYourDogmas> it does - numpy
[0:20] <ThePendulum> hypermist: the interface for that will be drastically improve
[0:20] <hypermist> i done it ThePendulum !
[0:21] <ThePendulum> SyncYourDogmas: can it parse math expressions as a string with context and turn it into a native function?
[0:21] <ThePendulum> wooooo hypermist :D
[0:21] <hypermist> does it look derp ?
[0:22] <SyncYourDogmas> ThePendulum: it can exec strings yeah
[0:22] <hypermist> let me correct it properly haha
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[0:22] <ThePendulum> SyncYourDogmas: it's important it can also turn it into a function otherwise it'd have to parse them for every pixel for every refresh, and that's going to be heavy
[0:22] <ThePendulum> I need to be able to run this on the fly if the input isn't changing
[0:22] <ThePendulum> hypermist: the eraser is a bit tricky; you'll notice there's a significant lag in drawing because there's no direct feedback, only via the full grid feedback loop, which updates twice a second
[0:22] <ThePendulum> I want direct drawing feedback, but then I have to decide what to make the eraser look like
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[0:23] <SyncYourDogmas> it can
[0:23] <ThePendulum> actually this isn't tricky at all
[0:23] <SyncYourDogmas> functions are first class in python
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[0:23] <hypermist> is it beter now ThePendulum :D
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[0:24] <ThePendulum> SyncYourDogmas: I'll definitely have to look into this then, I spent a day doing Python asking about this in #python and several people told me I'd have to write my own expression parser with ehh, not asp, what is it called
[0:24] <ThePendulum> it's this library in Python
[0:24] <ThePendulum> hypermist: beautiful :D let me take a picture of the real thing
[0:24] <ThePendulum> with my webcam once again because I managed to forget my phone twice
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[0:25] <SyncYourDogmas> its just python and list comprehensions so far - plus you want to calculate delta not entire thing
[0:25] <SyncYourDogmas> lib is numpy
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[0:25] <ThePendulum> delta?
[0:25] <SyncYourDogmas> and save intermediate results
[0:25] <ThePendulum> hypermist: you just made me realize something... I'm not even sure how this is happening, let me take the pic and you'll know
[0:26] <hypermist> lol
[0:26] <SyncYourDogmas> if the only difference in a frame is this white sentance, then thats what you calculate - delta - change
[0:26] <ThePendulum> hypermist: this is the real grid... http://i.imgur.com/JnTxYI0.jpg
[0:26] <hypermist> ohhh
[0:26] <hypermist> aweasome loool
[0:26] <ThePendulum> it's mirrored hahaha
[0:26] <hypermist> its inverted a bit ;p
[0:27] <hypermist> i'll be back sooner or later
[0:27] <ThePendulum> I have no idea how I never noticed this
[0:27] <hypermist> gotta go help move furnature an stuff
[0:27] <ThePendulum> I'll be in bed in a minute, I'll probably rant about this for days to come though
[0:27] <hypermist> LOL :P
[0:27] <ThePendulum> oh yeah we're renovating my room, putting in furniture, good stuff, going to put this up as well
[0:27] <ThePendulum> SyncYourDogmas: white sentance?
[0:28] <hypermist> moving sister and husband to new house xD
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[0:29] <ThePendulum> SyncYourDogmas: I'm not sure how I can know there is going to be a difference before running the math again
[0:30] <GRiZL0C> i read that android tv can be installed on the pi...wow great news... only no google play store only sideloading apps
[0:30] <SyncYourDogmas> sorry my text is white. save old values
[0:30] <SyncYourDogmas> if not changed leave alone
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[0:31] <ThePendulum> SyncYourDogmas: hm yeah I'll probably do that in the current node version, good call, had been thinking about several ways to reduce the load but I was mostly thinking of merging a couple of loops
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[0:31] <ThePendulum> well actually
[0:32] <ThePendulum> SyncYourDogmas: I can't really save much
[0:32] <ThePendulum> again, I can't know whether something changed before running the math expression
[0:32] <SyncYourDogmas> whats it for btw?
[0:32] <ThePendulum> at least, not by a simple diff check, I could make a more advanced checker, but that of course would have to be lighter than the math function itself
[0:32] <ThePendulum> SyncYourDogmas: just to stare at in my room :P
[0:32] <ThePendulum> I wish it had more potential
[0:33] <SyncYourDogmas> back up a bit
[0:33] <ThePendulum> hmm?
[0:33] <SyncYourDogmas> all I know is it usesframes, sorry
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[0:34] <ThePendulum> SyncYourDogmas: a user may enter a mathematical formula for a color channel; this formula might contain a variable that could change on every single frame, e.g. the beat (for animations) or a random value
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[0:34] <ThePendulum> to prevent the expression from running while nothing changed I'd have to check whether it contains a variable that changes per cycle
[0:34] <ThePendulum> doing that check in itself is possibly more resource consuming than just running the expression
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[0:36] <SyncYourDogmas> I'm definitely using that for sound waves. I would use a dirty bit I suppose - like apage table if possible? send me a link to it though when you start it and I'll give you a hand if you want
[0:36] <SyncYourDogmas> make the check a hash so O(1)
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[0:43] <ThePendulum> SyncYourDogmas: I'll probably experiment with Python a little (I'm a javascript guy by heart so this is pretty much from the scratchiest of scratches) and see if I can get numpy to do what I want, thanks for pointing me in the right direction
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[0:44] <SyncYourDogmas> python fwiw is mostly a thin wrapper around C, should be faster
[0:44] <SyncYourDogmas> give me a shout when finished anyway I still anna steal the function
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[0:48] <ThePendulum> SyncYourDogmas: what exact function are you interested in?
[0:50] <SyncYourDogmas> ThePendulum: using soundwaves as input, and messing about with making it look nice
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[0:54] <ThePendulum> SyncYourDogmas: you want to steal it from me? :P well I am -very- interested in using sound as input which isn't really feasible with node
[0:54] <ThePendulum> if I rewrite this with Python I'll probably be doing a lot of research and spit something out
[0:55] <ThePendulum> anyway it's an hour later than I wanted to go to bed today, goodnight :)
[0:55] <ThePendulum> I'll be around
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[0:56] <SyncYourDogmas> night man
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[3:06] <[Saint]> So it turns out, entirely unsurprisingly, that software defined RAID60 with ten 64GB UHS-II microSD cards and a USB3.1 hub and host controller is a very, very, very silly idea.
[3:07] <[Saint]> Who knew, right?
[3:07] * [Saint] shrugs
[3:07] <[Saint]> :p
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[3:09] <YuviPanda> [Saint]: now you do :)
[3:10] <[Saint]> I had to do /something/ with 'em.
[3:10] <[Saint]> Reselling them isn't really worth my time or effort, so I decided to play.
[3:11] <YuviPanda> was it lvm software raid?
[3:11] <[Saint]> Indeed so.
[3:11] <[Saint]> I pretty much refuse to work outside of LVM if at all possible these days.
[3:12] <[Saint]> It's just so...easy.
[3:13] * plugwash thought lvm only did some very basic spanning stuff and if you wanted proper raid you had to use MD
[3:13] <plugwash> not sure why you would want raid "60" rather than just plain raid 6 though.......
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[3:15] <YuviPanda> [Saint]: did you get it to work at all?
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[3:15] <[Saint]> Depending on one's personal definition of 'work'...yes?
[3:16] <YuviPanda> :D
[3:16] <YuviPanda> were you able to mount it?
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[3:16] <[Saint]> I spent a foolishly long time reading Arch Wiki's LVM documentation.
[3:16] * YuviPanda now has an RPi0 running as a usb gadget/slave running jupyter notebooks, trying to figure out what to do with it
[3:18] <[Saint]> even when I try to configure it as less exotic RAID types, and even if I pop off the amount of modes in the array cluster, it is still bitching about mismatches despite the array actually being healthy.
[3:18] <[Saint]> and throughput is absolutely laughable.
[3:18] <[Saint]> I'm doing /something/ very wrong.
[3:19] <[Saint]> *nodes
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[3:20] <[Saint]> In a RAID10 layout presently, but it keeps crying at me.
[3:21] <[Saint]> But that seems to be a known issue unrelated entirely to my screwing around.
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[3:22] <[Saint]> RAID10 writes being unbuffered means a healthy array can still have a positive mismatch count.
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[3:23] <Kromag> guys I just received my PiDrive today
[3:23] <Kromag> and connected the Drive to my Pi3
[3:23] <Kromag> It's not letting me access it it all
[3:23] <Kromag> it at all*
[3:24] <Kromag> Is there anything I am missing
[3:24] <[Saint]> PiDrive - The Solution To A Problem That Doesn't Exist (TM)
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[3:24] <Kromag> Was I just kicked?
[3:25] <oq> no
[3:25] <Kromag> That was weird then
[3:25] <oq> Kromag left, Kromag joined
[3:25] <Kromag> ok
[3:25] <oq> Kromag: do you hear it spinup?
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[3:26] <Kromag> yes
[3:26] <Kromag> It's recognized and all that
[3:26] <oq> [Saint]: I think hdd manufacturers are just getting a bit desperate now for new markets when ssds are so price competitive
[3:26] <oq> Kromag: did you mount it?
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[3:26] <Kromag> everything is working on the drive lights light up I have the raspberrian os installed
[3:26] <Kromag> via usb
[3:27] <Kromag> I have seperate power supply for each device
[3:27] <Kromag> the HDD and Pi3
[3:27] <Kromag> Then I have the HDD connected via USB to the Pi3
[3:27] <oq> does it come formatted?
[3:27] <Kromag> not sure
[3:27] <Kromag> It is not letting me access the drive tho
[3:27] <[Saint]> did you mount it?
[3:28] <Kromag> does that happen automatically like when you put a SD card in ?
[3:28] <[Saint]> not necessarily, no.
[3:28] <Kromag> I have the Raspbian OS from NOOBS installed too
[3:28] <Kromag> if that matters
[3:29] <Kromag> so How would I find out if it is in-fact Mounted?
[3:29] <Kromag> cause I was under the impression when purchasing that at least this part was turn key
[3:30] <Kromag> I'm pretty depressed about it
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[3:33] <exonormal> does it see the drive's letter?
[3:33] <Kromag> no
[3:33] <exonormal> like D:?
[3:33] <Kromag> not that i can figure
[3:34] <Kromag> even when I connected it to my laptop
[3:34] <Kromag> I could not see the drive letter but I could see it under devices
[3:34] <SyncYourDogmas> sudo cat /etc/fstab
[3:34] <Kromag> I am turning the Pi3 and HDD back on so I can explain what I see better
[3:34] <exonormal> ok if you see it in devices, right click on it and choose mount
[3:34] <SyncYourDogmas> sudo fdisk -l
[3:34] <SyncYourDogmas> sudo lsblk
[3:35] <[Saint]> there's a high probability that you need to make sure you're on a current kernel/firmware revision on the pi itself.
[3:35] * YuviPanda has a pi3 on the way now
[3:35] <Kromag> exonormal, I didn't see an option for mount but I'm loading it now to explain whta I see
[3:35] <exonormal> ok good
[3:36] <Kromag> ok I open up file manager >> Go menu item >> devices
[3:36] <exonormal> did you run update after the Raspbian install?
[3:36] <Kromag> Then it shows up as:
[3:36] <Kromag> WD My Passport 259c
[3:36] <Kromag> when I right click::
[3:37] <exonormal> that's on you laptop right?
[3:37] <Kromag> no
[3:37] <exonormal> ok on the pi...
[3:37] <Kromag> there's just cut copy delete copy paths and properties for the context menu when I right click it under devices
[3:37] <Kromag> yes it's connected to the PI
[3:37] <Kromag> I am chatting on my laptop ttho
[3:38] <exonormal> remove it and do update of Raspbian, then reboot it without the drive.
[3:38] <Kromag> why
[3:38] <exonormal> after you reboot it, then plug the drive in and it should mount
[3:38] <Kromag> I do not even know how to update Raspbian I was under the impression I had the latest when I installed it
[3:39] <exonormal> no
[3:39] <Kromag> So HOw do I update it and is it safe to just unplug it
[3:39] <Kromag> from the USB
[3:39] <exonormal> you have to go into terminal and do sudo apt-get update
[3:39] <Kromag> ok
[3:40] <exonormal> after you reboot it, then plug the drive in..
[3:40] <Kromag> so can I just unplug the usb connecting the pidrive and pi3
[3:40] <Kromag> while the pi3 is on
[3:40] <exonormal> yes
[3:40] <Kromag> ok
[3:40] <Kromag> I am leaving the power on for the drive
[3:40] <exonormal> that's ok
[3:40] <Kromag> ok entering the sudo code now
[3:41] <Kromag> installing
[3:41] <exonormal> take a while
[3:41] <Kromag> ok
[3:41] <Kromag> Thanks for taking the time to help me with this.
[3:41] <exonormal> yw
[3:42] <Kromag> ok the terminal is back at the prompt state
[3:42] <exonormal> I am on my Pi Zero
[3:42] <Kromag> safe to restart now?
[3:42] <Kromag> I ordered one of those too
[3:42] <exonormal> ok restart it
[3:42] <Kromag> restart and when do I plug the PiDrive back into Pi3
[3:42] <exonormal> after it is fully booted then plug in the hard drive
[3:43] <Kromag> ok
[3:43] <Kromag> it's restarting
[3:43] <Kromag> ok back at the desktop
[3:43] <Kromag> now I'm plugging the drive back in
[3:44] <exonormal> good
[3:44] <Kromag> should it be recognized autmatically?
[3:44] <exonormal> yes
[3:44] <Kromag> hwo do I tell cause nothing popped up
[3:44] <exonormal> hmmm.. lemmie thing
[3:44] <exonormal> think
[3:45] <exonormal> menu
[3:45] <Kromag> cause when I double click it in devices it says error
[3:45] <exonormal> accessories
[3:45] <Kromag> the specified directory computer:///wd%20my% passport etc... is not valit
[3:45] <Kromag> valid
[3:45] <exonormal> file manager
[3:45] <Kromag> ok file manager
[3:46] <Kromag> it is open
[3:46] <exonormal> you should see its drive letter
[3:46] <Kromag> where
[3:46] <exonormal> not showing?
[3:46] <Kromag> I don't see it in the left or right pane
[3:46] <Kromag> nope
[3:47] <exonormal> ok put it in your laptop and see if you see it
[3:47] <Kromag> ok
[3:47] <exonormal> you may have to format it if it is not been used before
[3:47] <exonormal> and format it fat32
[3:48] <Kromag> it shows the icon in sys tray
[3:48] <exonormal> anything on it?
[3:48] <Kromag> i right click that it just says eject passport
[3:48] <Kromag> and open devices and printeres
[3:48] <Kromag> when i open devices and printers it shows passport wd HDD
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[3:49] <exonormal> ok
[3:49] <exonormal> does it show in file manager on laptop?
[3:49] <Kromag> there is not much options when i right click it in there either
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[3:49] <Kromag> nope it just shows my regular hardware drives and stuff
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[3:50] <Kromag> nothing shows up for the PiDrive
[3:50] <Kromag> just my dvd drive c: drive and other things that were already there
[3:50] <[Saint]> Wow, seems things got worse while I slept.
[3:50] <[Saint]> RIP TeamViewer, lol
[3:51] <[Saint]> ouch
[3:51] <exonormal> ok. that's as far as I can help with... technically something is not right with that drive.
[3:52] <Kromag> exonormal, how do I format it
[3:52] * [Saint] sure hopes none of you guys here use it, or if you did/do use it, that you heard the news and acted appropriately
[3:52] <exonormal> what news?
[3:52] <Kromag> Why what happened with team viewer
[3:52] <Kromag> exonormal, do you know how to format it ?
[3:53] <[Saint]> TeamViewer has been owned to almighty Hell.
[3:53] <exonormal> it died
[3:53] <[Saint]> There's been some form of systematic deep breach.
[3:53] <exonormal> [Saint]: can you help Kromag? pls?
[3:54] <Kromag> I have a pidrive I just received today
[3:54] <Kromag> trying to set it up but it's not being recognized other than just showing up under devices as WD Passport
[3:54] <exonormal> niston: you here?
[3:54] <[Saint]> I'm aware, I was indeed here ~10 minutes ago.
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[3:57] <[Saint]> Have you actually updated the raspberrypi firmware?
[3:57] <Kromag> yes
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[3:58] <exonormal> you got the Pi B-3 correct?
[3:59] <Kromag> yes the newest one Pi3 Model B
[3:59] <Kromag> 1gb Ram built in wifi and bluetooth
[3:59] <Kromag> 4 usb spots
[3:59] <Kromag> hdmi
[3:59] <exonormal> ok what is the actuall OS on it?
[3:59] <Kromag> Raspbian
[3:59] <Kromag> the newest one that was on Noobs
[3:59] <Kromag> I forget the code name
[4:00] <exonormal> what it say when booted up?
[4:00] <Kromag> jessy or something
[4:00] <Kromag> not sure
[4:00] <exonormal> ok good
[4:00] <exonormal> does the pi see it at all?
[4:00] <Kromag> only under devices
[4:00] <Kromag> in the file manager
[4:00] <exonormal> ok. min...
[4:00] <Kromag> ok
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[4:01] <Kromag> it's still connected to my laptop right now
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[4:02] <Kromag> ok I got it
[4:02] <Kromag> I am reading the FAQ on WD's site
[4:02] <Kromag> under support
[4:02] <Kromag> it says Can I use the wd jpidrive with my microsd card and os
[4:02] <Kromag> Absolutely the pidrive is a usb hard drive and can be used for external storage on the os of your choice
[4:02] <Kromag> but it must first be partitioned
[4:03] <Kromag> and formatted
[4:03] <Kromag> and mounted
[4:03] <Kromag> instructions can be found on WDLabs Community
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[4:03] <Kromag> so I'll read that and see if I can figure it out
[4:03] <Kromag> Thank you for your patience folks.
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[4:03] <Kromag> Let me read this and I will see if I can figure it out.
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[4:05] <exonormal> right. good for you'
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[4:06] <Kromag> :-]
[4:06] <[Saint]> http://www.wdc.com/wdproducts/library/QIG/Global/4079-705156.pdf
[4:06] <[Saint]> their quickinstall guide was hilariously easy to find. :)
[4:07] <Kromag> lol
[4:07] <Kromag> I am sorry I am under some heavy medication
[4:07] <Kromag> health reasons
[4:07] <Kromag> so it sucks
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[4:07] <Kromag> I sometimes have a hard time cause I have low energy been getting transfusions and stuff
[4:07] <Kromag> thanks for finding that for me tho
[4:08] <Kromag> yeah that doesn't show what I am reading right now
[4:08] <Kromag> that just shows setting up the PiDrive Enclosure with the Pi and what not
[4:08] <[Saint]> Oh, no, I worded that very badly. I was being entirely sarcastic but I worded it terribly.
[4:08] <Kromag> oh not even the enclosure
[4:08] <[Saint]> I was poking fun at the fact that it is absolutely useless.
[4:09] <[Saint]> Their quickstart guide is just, essentially 'plug it in'.
[4:09] <[Saint]> lol
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[4:09] <[Saint]> veeeeeeery useful.
[4:09] <Kromag> oh yeah
[4:09] <Kromag> lol
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[4:18] <exonormal> ok, did you get it to work yet?
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[4:25] <[Saint]> The more I think about it the sheer scale of this TeamViewer thing is going to be huge. I was just thinking I know of several outlets here that do most of their staff support using TeamViewer (God only knows why).
[4:25] <[Saint]> Hell, I know my doctors office uses it as well.
[4:26] <exonormal> welcome to the world wide web.
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[4:38] <devslash> I have the 2nd raspberry pi with 512MB of RAM. if I buy the newest one, can i use the same micro SD card so I dont have to set it up from scratch
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[4:56] <exonormal> yes you can but may give you some "issues"
[4:57] <exonormal> it's best to give the B-3 its own SD card...
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[4:58] <exonormal> each model of pi's has their own setups to match the hardware on them...
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[5:55] <Hitechcg> <exonormal> yes you can but may give you some "issues"
[5:55] <Hitechcg> <exonormal> it's best to give the B-3 its own SD card...
[5:55] <Hitechcg> <exonormal> each model of pi's has their own setups to match the hardware on them...
[5:56] <Hitechcg> Can you explain what you mean?
[5:56] <Hitechcg> It's the same software
[5:56] <Hitechcg> The microSD card is no different
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[5:58] <exonormal> B-2 is different than the B-3. mem size, processor difference, plus blue tooth and wifi on the B-3
[6:00] <oq> exonormal: I think what he means that a pi2 and pi3 both take the original same image file so why shouldn't you be able to interchange the sd card after its been imaged
[6:00] <Zardoz> you can, does not matter much
[6:00] <exonormal> ok sorry I misinformed you.
[6:01] <Zardoz> I guess it would be best practice not to do that. but I have before with no issues.
[6:01] <exonormal> me apologize... me wrong
[6:02] <Zardoz> I would go to say that if you do it a lot it might do something.
[6:02] <exonormal> in my experience, I always provide each pi with its own SD card.
[6:02] <plugwash> If you have a card with a recent image then moving it arround between machines of different ages is fine.
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[6:04] <plugwash> where things get trickier is with older cards, first off I see freqent reports of the stuff the raspberry pi foundation build on top of raspbian, particulally their hacked up version of epiphany breaking on older systems that have been upgraded when it works fine on fresh images
[6:04] <Zardoz> so I picked up a pib+ today for 6 dollars had a case too.
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[6:04] <oq> Zardoz: 2nd hand?
[6:04] <plugwash> and you need to upgrade to get support for the hardware in the new models.
[6:04] <oq> how do you know the previous owner hasn't jizzed on it?
[6:04] <Zardoz> yeah old load imges on new hardware can boom
[6:05] <Zardoz> oq: lol
[6:05] <plugwash> secondly there is the issue of noobs, the kernel/firmware used by noobs needs to be updated for newer hardware but there is no officially supported upgrade path
[6:05] <Zardoz> oq: I pissed on it
[6:06] <Zardoz> I for one never use noobs. I think it's evil.
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[6:06] <plugwash> copying in the whole of the new noobs can break things beause they changed the partition structure at one point and the new noobs can't handle the old partition structure.
[6:06] <Zardoz> cool my tracker has the new pi img files on it
[6:07] <plugwash> copying in the new kernel/firmware from the latest noobs lite without touching the rest of it seems to work but mixing versions like that never seems like the worlds best idea.
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[6:07] <plugwash> can't say i'm a great fan of noobs either
[6:08] <Zardoz> plugwash: I guess it has it's uses, but...
[6:08] <exonormal> I do single OS images
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[6:17] <Zardoz> anyone running pihole?
[6:19] <exonormal> lol, not me, but someone did earlier in the day today did...
[6:20] <exonormal> says it works
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[7:18] <sir_galahad_ad> crikey mate!
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[7:21] <Berg> struth
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[8:10] <Kromag> back to trying to figure this out.
[8:11] <Kromag> I had gotten side tracked, ::To the guys that were helping me earlier!
[8:11] <Kromag> Now back on to discovering how to format this PiDrive from my Laptop(Win10 Pro)
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[8:11] <Kromag> So it can be recognized by a Letter
[8:13] <Kromag> since right now for some reason, which states on the WD's site that it probably needs formatting, only spot I can see it when I plug it into my Laptop with windows10 pro is in the sys.tray where it shows an _icon where either I can view _dvices & _printers or safely remove the HDD
[8:14] <Kromag> which on the WD's Community section it states that My Pi3 nor my Laptop is not recognizing it by drive letter because it don't recognize the format that the PiDrive is currently in
[8:15] <Kromag> which is [EXT4] FileSystem
[8:15] <Kromag> and I need NTFS since Pi3 and my Win10 both can recognize
[8:15] <Kromag> and I want to install Ubuntu Mate on it
[8:16] <Kromag> not sure if the guys are around still that were helping me like 6 hours ago
[8:16] <Kromag> :/
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[8:17] <Kromag> But I still can't figure out how to access the HDD to perform via admin command prompt in [Win10] a format wiping it clean and re-formatting it as [NTFS] form the [EXT4]
[8:17] * Kromag runs off to try and figure this dang mess out
[8:17] <Kromag> before I give up and send the damn thing back for a new one
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[8:21] <Kromag> [Saint] and exonormal were the one's helping me earlier...
[8:22] <Kromag> which it appears neither are online at this moment :(
[8:22] * Kromag strums:: "on my own again... i can do it::Awn my own again...!"
[8:22] <Kromag> LoL
[8:22] <Kromag> sorry
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[8:35] <oq> Kromag: if you type "diskmgmt.msc" into win+r does the hdd show up there?
[8:35] <Kromag> checking
[8:36] <oq> I dunno if ntfs would be the best idea
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[8:37] <Kromag> I don't think it's the best idea either
[8:37] <oq> Kromag: why can't you leave it as ext4?
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[8:38] <Kromag> well It is not recognized by drive letter or anything when I connect it to my Pi3
[8:38] <oq> Kromag: did you follow a tutorial about mounting a usb disk on debian?
[8:39] <oq> I doubt it would do it automatically
[8:39] <Kromag> only way I seen it on the Pi3 was going Menu >> Accessories >> File Manager >> Go >> Devices
[8:39] <Kromag> and it don't let me do anything with it
[8:39] <Kromag> I read I had to:: Format >> Mount
[8:39] <Kromag> Can't find the page now after leaving it stale for 6 hours
[8:39] <Kromag> That was on the WDLabs site
[8:39] <oq> well if its already ext4 you just need to mount it
[8:40] <Kromag> I don't know what it is
[8:40] <Kromag> I just assumed it was EXT4
[8:40] <Kromag> There's a bunch of Jargonic speak all over their community area on WDLabs
[8:40] <Kromag> I am not following it too well
[8:41] <Kromag> How to mount it?
[8:41] <oq> Kromag: what os is on the pi3?
[8:41] <Kromag> and I am not sure if it's EXT4
[8:41] <Kromag> I have the newest Raspbian os
[8:41] <Kromag> I already did the Sudu update command
[8:41] <Kromag> to make sure I was updated about 6 hours ago
[8:41] <oq> Kromag: and this is with a desktop?
[8:41] <gordonDrogon> cat /proc/partitions
[8:42] <Kromag> I had it In my Pi3
[8:42] <gordonDrogon> to see if it's seen by Raspbian, then: fdisk -l /dev/sda1 (or whatever /dev/... it appears as)
[8:42] <Kromag> right now it's connected via USB to my Laptop
[8:42] <Kromag> with Windows 10
[8:42] <Kromag> just cause I figured it would be easier
[8:42] <gordonDrogon> Win10 won't know about ext4.
[8:42] <Kromag> ok
[8:42] <gordonDrogon> but if it mounts then it's probably vfat or ntfs.
[8:42] <Kromag> but I see it in that disk mngmnt tool
[8:43] <Kromag> it just comes up generic tho
[8:43] <Kromag> no drive letter
[8:43] <gordonDrogon> yes, you ought to see the disk, but not the partitions if it's not formatted/partitioned the way MS likes it.
[8:43] <gordonDrogon> plug it into a Pi and see what you get...
[8:44] <Kromag> it says disk1 292.47 GB unallocated not initialized unknown
[8:44] <Kromag> with an icon of a read circle and an arrow pointing down
[8:44] <Kromag> to the left of Disk 1
[8:44] <Kromag> in Disk Management
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[8:44] <gordonDrogon> so MS doesn't like it. most likely if it's formatted ext4.
[8:45] <Kromag> gordonDrogon, I do not see it in Pi3
[8:45] <oq> 314 my ass
[8:45] <Kromag> there has to be something on the damn thing cause it's suppose to be 314gb
[8:45] <gordonDrogon> maybe it's just not formatted. if there is no data on it, then just format it. plug it into a Pi, then check it's device (e.g. /dev/sda1)
[8:45] <Kromag> but says 292.47 unallocated
[8:45] <gordonDrogon> haha... disk makers lie about sizes.
[8:45] <gordonDrogon> there's all this power of 2 or 10 stuff.
[8:46] <Kromag> gordonDrogon, It does not let me do anything on the Pi3
[8:46] <Kromag> all i can do is view it in devices
[8:46] <oq> Kromag: hdd manufacturers like to play that 1gb == 1000mb and not 1gb == 1024mb
[8:46] <gordonDrogon> Kromag, ok - can you see it under /proc/partitions though?
[8:46] <Japa> There's software to let Windows read ext4 drives, actually.
[8:46] <Kromag> hold on let me plug it into pi now
[8:46] <gordonDrogon> if so, then: sudo mkfs /dev/sda1 (assuming it is /dev/sda1)
[8:46] <Kromag> I am disabled so I have to go somewhat slow
[8:47] <Kromag> just ejected from my laptop's usb
[8:47] <Kromag> now plugging to pi
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[8:48] <oq> hmm so apparently the 2nd edition pi camera aren't supposed to be blurry anymore
[8:48] <oq> I wish they'd differentiate them somehow so it isn't all up to the RNG gods whether you get old stock
[8:48] <gordonDrogon> I gotta go - got breads in my ovens that needs to come out before its toast...
[8:48] <Kromag> gordonDrogon what do i do now
[8:48] <Kromag> damn
[8:49] <oq> Kromag: is the pi on?
[8:49] <Kromag> yes pi is on HDD is connected to it and all are powered on connected via HDMI to my monitor
[8:50] <oq> Kromag: so you've already tried right clicking on the icon on the desktop and clicking mount?
[8:50] <Kromag> There is no icon
[8:50] <oq> okay do what gordonDrogon said earlier
[8:50] <Kromag> it does not let me see anythign about it
[8:50] <Kromag> I have to go to devices in Pi3
[8:50] <Kromag> and still can not do anything with it
[8:50] <Kromag> just says WD Passport
[8:51] <Kromag> he said a few things which
[8:51] <Kromag> which one to perform?
[8:51] <oq> "cat /proc/partitions"
[8:52] <Kromag> I just type that inside the terminal?
[8:53] <Kromag> how will it know anything about PiDrive when it's not being recognized by drive letter or anything else?
[8:53] <oq> sure
[8:53] <Kromag> sure what?
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[8:55] <Kromag> where do i find /proc/partitions gordonDrogon asked if I could see it under there?
[8:56] <Kromag> ok i found the /proc directory
[8:56] <Kromag> but can't find partitions
[8:56] <Kromag> just a bunch of numbers
[8:57] <mlelstv> not just numbers
[8:57] <Kromag> yeah there is more stuff
[8:57] <Kromag> but there's no folder for partitions under /proc
[8:57] <mlelstv> it's a file
[8:58] <mlelstv> -r--r--r-- 1 root root 0 4. Jun 08:57 partitions
[8:58] <Kromag> besides the numbers there's asound bus cpu device-tree driver fs irq net self sys sysvipc thread-self tty
[8:58] <Kromag> for folders
[8:58] <Kromag> ok I see a file that says partitions under /proc/
[8:59] <Kromag> I just opened it inside text editor
[8:59] <Kromag> and I do not have a clue what to look for
[9:00] <Kromag> says in procedural order things from ram0 to ram15
[9:00] <Kromag> then mmcblk0 31166976
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[9:00] <Kromag> which looks like it could be relevent to my PiDrive's size
[9:01] <Kromag> that number is under the column named "#blocks"
[9:01] <plugwash> mmcblk0 is the SD card
[9:01] <Kromag> major minor #blocks name are the names of the columns in this file
[9:01] <Kromag> ok
[9:02] <Kromag> well i have mmcblk0 mmcblk0p1 to p7
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[9:02] <Kromag> then one that sits below that and says 8 under major column 0 under minor column and 306677760 under #blocks column name=sda
[9:04] <Kromag> so what does this show me?
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[9:04] <Kromag> is it being recognized?
[9:04] <plugwash> that looks like a hard drive indeed
[9:05] <Kromag> what does
[9:05] <plugwash> <Kromag> then one that sits below that and says 8 under major column 0 under minor column and 306677760 under #blocks column name=sda
[9:05] <Kromag> ok
[9:05] <Kromag> thank you for responding
[9:05] <plugwash> Do you have any entries for sda1 or similar?
[9:05] <Kromag> no it stops at sda
[9:06] <plugwash> if it's a new drive that's pretty normal, just means that the drive has never been partitioned
[9:06] <Kromag> ram0-ram15 && mmcblk0-7 then sda and stops
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[9:06] <Kromag> ok
[9:06] <Kromag> how do i partition it
[9:06] <Kromag> cause I been going back and forth from windows to pi all night lol
[9:06] <plugwash> if you have a gui running then gparted is probablly the easiest tool
[9:06] <Kromag> one person was telling me to do it this way another that way
[9:06] <Kromag> I am using raspbian
[9:07] <Kromag> os on the pi3
[9:07] <Kromag> where would gparted be on the Pi3
[9:08] <plugwash> it's probablly not installed,
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[9:08] <plugwash> "sudo apt-get install gparted" to install it
[9:08] <plugwash> then "sudo gparted" to run it
[9:08] <Kromag> ok thanks
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[9:10] <Kromag> it is installing
[9:10] <Kromag> typing the commands for running it now
[9:11] <Kromag> now inside the terminal after typing "sudo gparted" it opened 'gparted'
[9:11] <Kromag> but
[9:12] <Kromag> asserted to me /dev/sda: unrecognised disk label
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[9:12] <Kromag> and that's what you said had looked like a drive to you right
[9:12] <Kromag> on the partitions file?
[9:13] <Kromag> yeah I don't see anything showing my PiDrive's size
[9:13] <Kromag> and the sda is not showing up
[9:13] <Kromag> ok i see it
[9:13] <Kromag> sorry
[9:14] <Kromag> there was a combo box drop down to the top right corner
[9:14] <Kromag> now it shows in the drop down combobox "/dev/sda (292.47GiB)
[9:14] <Kromag> under that where it shows file systems partitions size used unused flags and yadda ya
[9:15] <Kromag> it says unallocated
[9:16] <Kromag> do I create a new Partition Table?
[9:17] <mlelstv> do you have an old one lying around? :)
[9:17] <Kromag> I am just trying to get this thing formatted man
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[9:18] <Kromag> there is nothing it is letting me do
[9:18] <Kromag> Mount is greyed out
[9:18] <mlelstv> can you create a new partition table?
[9:19] <Kromag> I do not know what type of table to create
[9:19] <mlelstv> is there a selection?
[9:19] <Kromag> yes
[9:20] <Kromag> there is a big list
[9:20] <mlelstv> of table types?
[9:20] <Kromag> msdos, aix, amiga, bsd, dvh, gpt, mac, pc98, sun, loop
[9:20] <mlelstv> neat
[9:21] <mlelstv> use 'msdos' or 'gpt'
[9:21] <Kromag> I have to be 100% cause I do not want to ruin this thing
[9:21] <mlelstv> how could you ruin it? there is not data that you could destroy
[9:21] <Kromag> no
[9:22] <mlelstv> so use 'msdos'. most easy.
[9:22] <Kromag> so I can just use msdos and it will be associated with Pi3 I am trying to set thsi up with my Pi3
[9:22] <Kromag> to eventually be a webserver
[9:23] <Kromag> and I was gong to install ubuntu mate on my Pid
[9:23] <Kromag> Pi3
[9:23] <Kromag> how do you know msdos is the route to go
[9:23] <mlelstv> this is completely unrelated. But your Pi3 should be able to understand 'msdos' and 'gpt' partition tables.
[9:23] <Kromag> ok
[9:23] <Kromag> so which is better tho
[9:23] <Kromag> msdos?
[9:24] <mlelstv> 'msdos' should refer to the partition table in the MBR (master boot record) as used by MSDOS.
[9:24] <Kromag> oh gpt is generic for gparted?
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[9:24] <Kromag> ok Partition Table msdos is created
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[9:24] <mlelstv> 'gpt' is 'GUUID Partition Table'. It's more versatile, used e.g. by Apple. And it supports much larger disk drives.
[9:25] <Kromag> now it's letting me create a new partition
[9:25] <mlelstv> but your PiDrive is not large enough to need it :)
[9:25] <Kromag> oh
[9:25] <Kromag> Ok thank you mlelstv
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[9:25] <Kromag> so now I clicked new partition
[9:25] <mlelstv> yes
[9:25] <Kromag> window pops up
[9:25] <Kromag> I want the whole thing formatted
[9:25] <Kromag> one partition
[9:26] <mlelstv> you need to tell it what partition type and the size (== whole disk).
[9:26] <mlelstv> why only one partition?
[9:26] <Kromag> well where it says "free space preceding (MiB)"
[9:26] <Kromag> what to put there it has a 1 in the box now
[9:27] <Kromag> well I am trying to keep it simple
[9:27] <Kromag> so i can at least figure this out
[9:27] <Kromag> and be able to recognize it via a driv letter
[9:27] <Kromag> and do something with it
[9:27] <mlelstv> most Linux systems want 2 partitions. One is dedicated for swap space.
[9:27] <Kromag> why would I need 2 partitions
[9:27] <Kromag> Well I plan to put Ubuntu on this
[9:27] <mlelstv> depends onw hat you want to install to it.
[9:28] <Kromag> so how do I do it
[9:28] <mlelstv> on how ..
[9:28] <Kromag> what do you mean
[9:28] <mlelstv> depends on how you want to install to it.
[9:28] <mlelstv> depends on what you want to install to it.
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[9:28] <mlelstv> argl
[9:28] <mlelstv> more coffee
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[9:29] <Kromag> well I wanted the ubuntu I believe on the SD card
[9:29] <Kromag> cause i read we can't boot from usb on the Pi's
[9:29] <Kromag> is this correct
[9:29] <mlelstv> that is somewhat correct
[9:29] <Kromag> do i need to have the os on SD card
[9:29] <mlelstv> you need at least part of the os on the SD card
[9:30] <Kromag> https://ubuntu-mate.org/raspberry-pi/
[9:30] <Kromag> That is what I wanted to setup
[9:30] <Kromag> http://hackarobot.com/how-to-set-up-raspberry-pi-3-lamp-web-server/
[9:31] <Kromag> That is the final product of what I want to turn this into
[9:31] <Kromag> a web server
[9:31] <mlelstv> that is ubuntu all on the sd drive.
[9:31] <mlelstv> you could use your pidrive for data then
[9:31] <Kromag> ok
[9:31] <Kromag> ok
[9:31] <Kromag> figured that's how it was setup
[9:31] <Kromag> I just didn't know how to explain it other than showing those links
[9:31] <Kromag> I was trying to look for them
[9:31] <mlelstv> I have (almost) all of the OS on a harddrive, but it's not Ubuntu.
[9:32] <Kromag> I don't understand what you mean by that
[9:32] <Kromag> how can you have it split like that?
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[9:32] <Kromag> i have never heard of anything like that
[9:32] <mlelstv> I don't use Ubuntu, so I don't know how to do it there.
[9:32] <Kromag> I mean how do I format the HDD
[9:32] <mlelstv> The SD card has at least two partitions :)
[9:33] <mlelstv> one is the 'boot' partition where the kernel is stored. There are also parameters that tell the kernel where to look for the rest of the system and that can be USB.
[9:33] <mlelstv> anyway back to your HDD :)
[9:34] <Kromag> ok ty
[9:34] <mlelstv> lets do the easy thing. You use Ubuntu on the SD and the HDD is only for data.
[9:34] <mlelstv> then one partition is fine
[9:34] <Kromag> ok but ubuntu is not on the SD yet
[9:34] <Kromag> Raspbian is
[9:34] <mlelstv> doesn't matter.
[9:34] <Kromag> ok
[9:34] <mlelstv> the "data disk" will be fine for either.
[9:35] <Kromag> ok
[9:35] <mlelstv> can you create the partition?
[9:35] <Kromag> yes
[9:35] <Kromag> i am sitting here in the creation window
[9:35] <Kromag> don't know what to do from here
[9:36] <Kromag> new size says 299489
[9:36] <mlelstv> I can't look over your shoulder, so you have to tell me what it says :)
[9:36] <Kromag> free space preceding MiB says 1
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[9:36] <Kromag> Create as says Primary Partition
[9:36] <Kromag> File System says EXT4
[9:36] <Kromag> free space following says 0
[9:36] <Kromag> Align to says MiB
[9:37] <Kromag> Label is Blank
[9:38] <Kromag> i have the options for "Create as" [0] Primary Partition
[9:38] <Kromag> [1] Extended Partition
[9:38] <Kromag> and
[9:38] <mlelstv> that's all fine, you want to set a label. That's just a name you give the HDD, chose something unique.
[9:38] <Kromag> Logical Partition is greyed out
[9:38] <mlelstv> primary partition is fine
[9:38] <Kromag> what about EXT4 for File System
[9:38] <Kromag> if I am going to setup the Ubuntu
[9:38] <mlelstv> that's ok for raspbian and ubuntu
[9:39] <Kromag> and for this Ubuntu MATE that I want to install?
[9:40] <mlelstv> I am not aware of any problems that may have.
[9:40] <Kromag> so for the Label: "ubuntu_server" is okay for a label?
[9:40] <mlelstv> unless you try some ancient version of it :)
[9:40] <mlelstv> yes, ubuntu_server is fine.
[9:40] <mlelstv> it's just a name that you may refer to later.
[9:40] <Kromag> okay
[9:40] <Kromag> so then just click add now that that's typed in?
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[9:40] <mlelstv> yes
[9:40] <Kromag> done
[9:41] <Kromag> ok so is it partitioned
[9:41] <Kromag> it was extremely quick didn't appear to do anything
[9:41] <mlelstv> with ext4 it is extremely quick
[9:42] <mlelstv> ext3 would have taken maybe 10-15 seconds.
[9:42] <Kromag> well it says New Partition #1 ext4 ubumtu_server 292.47 GiB used unused and Flags all have nothing in their columns
[9:42] <Kromag> I mispelled the label can I change that?
[9:43] <Kromag> I accidently put ubumtu_server instead of ubuntu_server
[9:43] <mlelstv> I think so
[9:43] <mlelstv> well, that makes it unique :)
[9:43] <Kromag> true
[9:43] <Kromag> lol
[9:43] <Kromag> I'll just leave it
[9:44] <Kromag> I been at this for a while cause I been in and out having to do things and I'm friggen slow moving disabled person lol
[9:44] <Kromag> anyways now I can go about installing this ubuntu mate and all that happyness now?
[9:45] <mlelstv> hmm
[9:45] <Kromag> mlelstv, Have you heard of BerryBoot which is suppose to be WDLabs custom version of BerryTerminal
[9:46] <mlelstv> I only have heard about BerryBoot
[9:46] <mlelstv> anyway, the disk is just formatted with one partition and to be used as a data disk. That's independent of Ubuntu.
[9:47] <Kromag> yeah i guess from BerryTerminal.com WDLabs has been working with that Creator: Floris Bos to create BerryBoot
[9:47] <Kromag> mlelstv, can you explain what you mean
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[9:47] <Kromag> "That's independent of Ubuntu"
[9:48] <mlelstv> I said: the "data disk" will be fine for either
[9:48] <Kromag> ok
[9:48] <Kromag> so could you tell me what you meant earlier now
[9:48] <Kromag> about having 2 partitions
[9:48] <Kromag> how is that useful
[9:48] <Kromag> you said iirc swaping
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[9:49] <mlelstv> it is useful when you want to install Ubuntu on that drive and use the SD card only for booting (e.g. with Berryboot).
[9:49] <Kromag> having more than one partition on my PiDrive is useful in that situation?
[9:49] <Kromag> cause that's pretty much what I was doing
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[9:50] <Kromag> Well I am now knowledgeable about how to format this dang thing
[9:50] <Kromag> at least
[9:50] <Kromag> sheesh
[9:50] <mlelstv> I think it is necessary. If you run Ubuntu from the HDD you also want Swapspace on the HDD.
[9:51] <Kromag> I really appreciate your Time and Effort as well as Patience that you spent with me mlelstv!
[9:51] <mlelstv> no problem :)
[9:51] <Kromag> What is this swapspace used for
[9:51] <mlelstv> that is used for "virtual memory"
[9:52] <Kromag> okay
[9:52] <mlelstv> whenever the machine needs more RAM than it actually has, it can save some contents temporarily on that 'swapspace'.
[9:52] <Kromag> okay
[9:52] <mlelstv> it is possible to run Linux without swapspace, but that usually has some limitations.
[9:53] <mlelstv> you could check what raspbian does :)
[9:53] <Kromag> can I resize the HDD then
[9:53] <Kromag> check what raspbian does
[9:53] <Kromag> ?
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[9:54] <mlelstv> resize the partition to have space for another? yes, but I think only "offline". E.g. you have to run the RPI froM SD.
[9:54] <Kromag> okay well with this PiDrive I have roughly 314(GiB) what is a fair ammount of swap space to dedicate to my design idea?
[9:55] <mlelstv> you could issue the command /sbin/swapon -s
[9:55] <Kromag> not sure I follow your meaning of "offline"
[9:56] <mlelstv> if something is accessing the partition it is "online", and I think that prohibits resizing it. So it must be "offline" (nothing is using it).
[9:57] <mlelstv> I could also have said, if the filesystem is mounted (== online) or not mounted (== offline).
[9:57] <Kromag> okay
[9:57] <Kromag> oh so now I could mount this HDD to my Pi3 correct?
[9:57] <mlelstv> please have a look with the swapon command
[9:57] <mlelstv> you could mount the HDD, yes.
[9:57] <Kromag> and it will be recognized via drive letter?
[9:58] <Kromag> where do I look with the swapon command?
[9:58] <Kromag> where do I find all these commands?
[9:58] <Kromag> I am not that familiar with any of this
[9:58] <mlelstv> linux doesn't use drive letters.
[9:59] <Kromag> okay, I didn't know that
[9:59] <mlelstv> swapon -s will just list all configured swapspaces. You can see what Raspbian is using and how large the swapspace currently is.
[9:59] <mlelstv> I have no idea where to find all these commands :) There are problably books about it.
[10:00] <mlelstv> heh, or a youtube movie about Ubuntu MATE. But I doubt it shows such details.
[10:01] <Kromag> ok
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[10:03] <Kromag> what does linix use as apposed to drive letters?
[10:06] <mlelstv> mount points :)
[10:06] <mlelstv> linux has a single filesystem tree that starts with the 'root filesystem'. That's where the OS is.
[10:07] <mlelstv> then you can mount other filesystems (like the one you created on the HDD) on top of any directory.
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[10:08] <mlelstv> before the mount operation you see the (possibly empty) directory. Aftwards you see the content of the other filesystem.
[10:08] <mlelstv> there is no strict rule what directories to use
[10:09] <Kromag> ok
[10:09] <mlelstv> it's often something like /media/usb or /mnt/usbdisk
[10:09] <mlelstv> http://www.htpcguides.com/properly-mount-usb-storage-raspberry-pi/
[10:09] <mlelstv> this tutorial shows how to make a /mnt/usbstorage
[10:10] <mlelstv> it's a bit more complicated because it talks about an HDD that is formatted by Windows
[10:10] <Kromag> okay
[10:11] <Kromag> yeah that's what someone was trying to explain earlier to me and then abandoned or had something else going on
[10:11] <mlelstv> in Ubuntu you have a GUI helper program called 'Disks' where you can configure such things
[10:11] <Kromag> that's why I originally had mine connected to my windows 10 pro laptop
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[10:13] <Kromag> mlelstv, inside Gparted
[10:13] <Kromag> What is this Format to >> linux-swap
[10:13] <Kromag> anything significantly special about that?
[10:14] <mlelstv> linux needs a partition of type 'linux-swap' to use it as swapspace.
[10:15] <mlelstv> that's nothing special, just a marker that stops you from using something else as swapspace (and posssibly destroying data).
[10:16] <Kromag> okie
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[10:17] <Kromag> So what is the difference between what I formatted as [EXT4] and [Linux-Swap]
[10:17] <Kromag> since they both can utilize raspberrian and linux
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[10:22] <mlelstv> first there is the partition type, that's just a marker on how it will be used.
[10:22] <mlelstv> second is then how it is used. you formatted EXT4, and that lets you store files and create directories and the like
[10:23] <mlelstv> while the swap partition is just a range of disk blocks. You can use the swapon command to tell Linux to use the blocks.
[10:23] <mlelstv> that's similar to use the mount command to access the filesystem.
[10:24] <Kromag> ok thanks again:: for that explanation :)
[10:24] <Kromag> yeah I just reformatted the PiDrive as well
[10:24] <Kromag> and fixed the label
[10:24] <Kromag> figured I could use the practice :)
[10:24] <Kromag> doesn't hurt
[10:24] <mlelstv> never hurts :)
[10:24] <Kromag> only thing is if I do that to the SD Card it will hurt it
[10:25] <Kromag> as far as I was reading up on it the SD Cards don't have much of a lifespan
[10:25] <mlelstv> if you partition or format you usually lose all the data.
[10:25] <Kromag> yeah
[10:25] <Kromag> I know about Formatting//partitioning just not all about these different formats
[10:25] <mlelstv> lifespan of SD cards is a tricky question.
[10:25] <Kromag> I am use to Windows format systems
[10:25] <mlelstv> most issues you have with writing to the SD card.
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[10:26] <mlelstv> one reason that I only use it for booting :)
[10:26] <Kromag> I was reading about something that I think had said they only have so many writes//reads and there's not many
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[10:26] <mlelstv> running directly from the SD card gave me crashes (and once also data loss) every 1-2 weeks.
[10:27] <Kromag> wow damn
[10:27] <Kromag> and what kind of setup were you running where it was doing this?
[10:27] <mlelstv> could also have been software problems, that was very early. But that's where I moved to use a HDD.
[10:27] <Kromag> some sort of cluster node ?
[10:27] <Kromag> with Pi's?
[10:27] <mlelstv> nah
[10:27] <mlelstv> I use a RPI2 as my "desktop system".
[10:28] <Kromag> cool
[10:28] <mlelstv> and it's running 24x7
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[10:28] <mlelstv> but it's not running Linux :)
[10:28] <Kromag> I want to eventually setup an eight(8)Pi3 Cluster node
[10:28] <Habbie> mlelstv, what is it running?
[10:28] <mlelstv> NetBSD
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[10:28] <Kromag> with one of my older desktops or laptops as a load balancer
[10:29] <Habbie> mlelstv, that works with x11 etc?
[10:29] <mlelstv> x11 works unaccelerated, but otherwise, yes.
[10:29] <Habbie> nice
[10:29] <Kromag> mlelstv, is that geared towards networking stuff or something?
[10:29] <Kromag> NetBSD
[10:29] <Kromag> is it like windows NT
[10:29] <Kromag> windows Server
[10:30] <mlelstv> no. "Net" is used by some projects as a synonym for community.
[10:30] <Kromag> oh okay
[10:31] <mlelstv> there are four known projects based on the Unix code from Berkeley (==BSD). NetBSD and FreeBSD were the first, OpenBSD and DragonflyBSD came later.
[10:31] <Kromag> yeah I remember when those first were talked about
[10:31] <Kromag> back in BSD DAys
[10:31] <Kromag> I use to get little pamphlets on it
[10:32] <Kromag> from my father
[10:32] <mlelstv> :)
[10:32] <Kromag> he was in the airforce
[10:32] <mlelstv> NetBSD is known to support lots of different hardware.
[10:32] <Kromag> writing FORTRAN COBOL
[10:32] <Kromag> They have a GUI for NetBSD now?
[10:32] <Kromag> I would imagine so huh?
[10:33] <mlelstv> whatever a GUI is. Unlike Windows the GUI is no integral part of the OS. Neither with BSD nor with Linux.
[10:33] <mlelstv> so you can run MATE if you want :)
[10:33] <Kromag> Graphical User Interface
[10:33] <Habbie> Kromag, it has x11, like your linux
[10:34] <Kromag> Habbie, like my linux? as in Raspbian or Ubuntu Mate?
[10:34] <mlelstv> yes
[10:34] <Kromag> ok
[10:34] <Kromag> but I've no clue what x11 is I'll have to look that up
[10:34] <mlelstv> or lets say, like Raspbian or Ubuntu Mate did last year.
[10:34] <Kromag> okay I see it
[10:35] <Habbie> Kromag, yes, x11 is part of that stack
[10:35] <Kromag> mlelstv, like they did last year?
[10:36] <mlelstv> Linux learned how to use the GPU to acellerate the graphics.
[10:36] <mlelstv> On my system it's all the arm CPU that does the work.
[10:36] <Kromag> well I know ubuntu//bash is being incorporated//encapsulated into Windows 10
[10:36] <mlelstv> not really :)
[10:36] <Kromag> yeah part of it
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[10:37] <Kromag> a special subset
[10:37] <mlelstv> yes, a special subset.
[10:37] <Kromag> it's going to be how MS-Dos was with windows back in the day
[10:37] <Kromag> and DosShell
[10:38] <mlelstv> ms-dos and (old) Windows are much simpler.
[10:39] <mlelstv> to run things like Unix software you need to provide some functionality that doesn't exist in (modern) Windows. So there is always some kind of conflict.
[10:39] <mlelstv> same for the other way round of course.
[10:40] <Kromag> and we're suppose to be able to utilize something like an interactive shell
[10:40] <mlelstv> that's why "Wine" isn't perfect :)
[10:40] <Kromag> mlelstv, they already have it out
[10:40] <mlelstv> yes, I've seen the reports.
[10:40] <Kromag> I can install it now in my Windows 10 Pro setup via Windows Features
[10:40] <Kromag> I can open that manager window up
[10:41] <Kromag> and select it from things not installed in windows or missing tools//apps
[10:41] <Kromag> and it's in beta
[10:41] <mlelstv> now if this were Ubuntu you could just install some Ubuntu software and run it :)
[10:41] <Kromag> What do you mean
[10:42] <mlelstv> what you said earlier, it is only a special subset. Nice, maybe even useful, but not the real thing.
[10:42] <Kromag> yeah
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[10:44] <Kromag> @ mlelstv:: http://www.howtogeek.com/249966/how-to-install-and-use-the-linux-bash-shell-on-windows-10/
[10:44] <Kromag> check that out
[10:45] <Kromag> https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2016/04/06/announcing-windows-10-insider-preview-build-14316/
[10:46] <mlelstv> so what you are doing with bash on Windows? :)
[10:46] <mlelstv> btw, Cygwin allowed the same.
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[10:48] <Kromag> yeah I am aware of Cygwin
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[10:49] <mallowmow> Is there a beginner's guide that anyone here would recommend?
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[10:51] <Kromag> for setting that up?
[10:51] <Kromag> Run native Bash on Ubuntu on Windows
[10:51] <Kromag> Read more at https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2016/04/06/announcing-windows-10-insider-preview-build-14316/#coE8hZEIiCb2HKMu.99
[10:51] <Kromag> see it's native
[10:52] <Kromag> MS is trying to go full openSource as everyone knows
[10:52] <Kromag> and that's one reason they're trying to partner up with ubuntu like that with bash and all that
[10:52] <mlelstv> I fear MS has their own idea about what openSource means.
[10:53] <Kromag> I don't know... I will always love MS though
[10:53] <Kromag> I could never knock them
[10:53] <mlelstv> heh
[10:53] <Kromag> albeit, they are making it much of the pain in the ass these days to register windows and other products
[10:53] <Kromag> especially with this BS about digital entitlements
[10:54] <Kromag> you know how much of a PITA it is to just reinstall windows on my laptop would be?
[10:54] <Kromag> a huge PITA
[10:54] <Kromag> cause I have digital entitlement
[10:54] <Kromag> can't just get a gd key
[10:54] <mlelstv> that's why everyone thinks that installing windows is easy.
[10:54] <Kromag> I upgraded from Win10 Home to Win10 Pro
[10:54] <Kromag> which was easy
[10:55] <Kromag> but I had to do all sorts of shit to create reinstallation disks
[10:55] <Habbie> mlelstv, it is full ubuntu, from the same amd64 repos that ubuntu linux users use - just the kernel is from MS
[10:55] <Habbie> mallowmow, a guyde for what?
[10:55] <Kromag> say i had to reinstall i have to install from my recovery partition
[10:55] <mlelstv> habbie, not really
[10:55] <Habbie> Kromag, please mind the language
[10:56] <Kromag> then upgrade from this usb drive i made using MS' media tool
[10:56] <Kromag> Habbie, sorry
[10:56] <Kromag> will try my best
[10:56] <Habbie> mlelstv, hmm?
[10:56] <Kromag> it slips sometimes
[10:57] <mlelstv> there is no Linux kernel from MS, there is a Windows kernel from MS. And despite the name, both do different things :)
[10:57] <Habbie> well yes
[10:57] <Habbie> you're right
[10:57] <mlelstv> so there is some kind of intermediate layer that tries to translate
[10:57] <Habbie> there's a linux subsystem
[10:57] <Habbie> which to ubuntu is indistinguishable from a linux kernel
[10:57] <Habbie> if it doesn't look to closely
[10:57] <Habbie> *too
[10:57] <mlelstv> and that translation cannot be perfect because there are differences that cannot be translated.
[10:57] <Habbie> sure
[10:57] <mlelstv> but a lot of things can. That's why you can run bash :)
[10:57] <Habbie> yes
[10:58] <Habbie> i think it's great they went with binary compatibility in any case
[10:58] <mlelstv> from a technical point of view, sure. That's pretty good work.
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[11:05] <Kromag> hey mlelstv
[11:05] <Kromag> can I borrow you for one more question please
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[11:05] <Kromag> How now do I mount this PiDrive to the Raspberian
[11:05] <Kromag> I tried to go to devices under file manager
[11:06] <Kromag> and right clicking the device under where it said WD Passport and to no avail
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[11:06] <Kromag> no option
[11:06] <Kromag> or do I do this within Gparted
[11:07] <Kromag> under gparted >> partition >> mount well mount is greyed out
[11:07] <Kromag> or does anyone else know
[11:08] <mlelstv> raspbian should already handle this for you. But maybe only when you plug in the disk.
[11:09] <mlelstv> but you can do it manually
[11:09] <mlelstv> http://www.raspberrypi-spy.co.uk/2014/05/how-to-mount-a-usb-flash-disk-on-the-raspberry-pi/
[11:09] <Kromag> oh so restart the Pi after unplugging the HDD
[11:09] <Kromag> then when raspbian loads fully plug into usb and it should mount?
[11:10] <mlelstv> follow that link and do it manually :)
[11:10] <Kromag> okay
[11:10] <mlelstv> saying that..
[11:10] <mlelstv> the example seems to be a msdos drive.
[11:11] <Kromag> oO
[11:11] <Kromag> ??
[11:11] <mlelstv> msdos doesn't know users that why they give "-o uid=pi,gid=pi" as an option. Drop that for ext4.
[11:11] <mlelstv> similar for the entry in /etc/fstab
[11:11] <Kromag> no clue what that stuff is
[11:11] <mlelstv> on the command line:
[11:12] <mlelstv> sudo mkdir /media/usb
[11:12] <Kromag> ok
[11:12] <mlelstv> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/usb
[11:13] <mlelstv> then to use it, you probably want to give access the regular 'pi' user.
[11:13] <Kromag> is there an intentional space between sda1 and /media/usb?
[11:13] <mlelstv> by default a new filesystem is for the root account only
[11:13] <mlelstv> yes, the space is intentional
[11:13] <mlelstv> /dev/sda1 -> the partition
[11:13] <Kromag> okay and how do I give access ?
[11:13] <mlelstv> /media/usb the mount point
[11:14] <mlelstv> sudo chown -h pi:pi /media/usb
[11:14] <yene> how do I mount network into a folder on linux
[11:14] <mlelstv> yene, what is "network" to you?
[11:14] <Kromag> ah I read yesterday early morning something about this chown command
[11:14] <yene> i think osx usese SMB for sharing
[11:14] <Kromag> on WDLabs website
[11:15] <mlelstv> kromag, almost the same thing as in windows.
[11:15] <Kromag> what do you mean
[11:15] <Kromag> in windows powershell?
[11:16] <Kromag> well I typed both those commands in and there was no assertion//output response in the terminal window to me
[11:16] <Kromag> like indicating that it worked
[11:17] <mlelstv> in windows there is usually no command to give away ownership of a file or directory. You can only take ownership with regular commands.
[11:18] <mlelstv> but otherwise it's the same thing, wether the command is named 'chown' or 'takeown' or 'subinacl' or you click somewhere in a GUI to do it.
[11:18] <Kromag> okay
[11:18] <Kromag> well I entered those commands
[11:18] <Kromag> so now do i unplug usb and plug back in ?
[11:19] <mlelstv> yene, most Linux distros come with a cifs driver. So you can do a mount -t cifs //server/share /some/mount/point
[11:19] <yene> thx
[11:19] <mlelstv> usually you need to specify user and domain with it.
[11:19] <mlelstv> with -o user=xyz,domain=bla
[11:20] <mlelstv> and then enter the user password
[11:20] <mlelstv> kromag, no
[11:20] <mlelstv> kromag, you just access the drive
[11:20] <mlelstv> try to do it in the file manager
[11:20] <mlelstv> just look at the /media/usb path
[11:20] <mlelstv> should exist and be empty
[11:20] <mlelstv> and you can store files there
[11:20] <Kromag> ok trying
[11:21] <Kromag> ok under /media/ there is only /media/pi/settings
[11:21] <Kromag> no usb
[11:22] <mlelstv> but you did the mkdir and mount ?
[11:22] <Kromag> i did those two commands you told me
[11:22] <mlelstv> the the file manager should see it.
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[11:23] <mlelstv> there is a 'Refresh' item in the 'View' menu. Maybe that helps.
[11:23] <mlelstv> or maybe 'Reload' instead of 'Refresh'
[11:24] <Kromag> ok checkiing
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[11:25] <Kromag> nope not there
[11:25] <Kromag> the refresh was there
[11:25] <Kromag> i refreshed F5
[11:25] <Kromag> and nothing
[11:25] <Kromag> just media/pi
[11:26] <mlelstv> does the command ls /media show it ?
[11:26] <Kromag> man why do i get all the issues lol
[11:26] <Kromag> trying
[11:26] <Kromag> do i type that into the terminal?
[11:26] <mlelstv> yes
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[11:27] <Kromag> there's a space after ls right
[11:27] <mlelstv> yes
[11:27] <Kromag> and that's an ell not a one
[11:27] <mlelstv> yes
[11:27] <Kromag> ok nothing came up in the window
[11:28] <mlelstv> nothing?
[11:28] <Kromag> it's actually not even going to the cursor properly
[11:28] <Kromag> where it starts at pi@raspberrypi:~$
[11:28] <Kromag> it's not giving me that no more
[11:28] <Kromag> ever since I formatted and did the msdos thing
[11:28] <Kromag> created that table
[11:28] <Kromag> let me restart everything see if that helps
[11:29] <mlelstv> aehem
[11:29] <Kromag> some thing is goofy
[11:29] <mlelstv> that's the same terinal where you started gparted?
[11:29] <Kromag> yeah
[11:29] <mlelstv> and did you exit gparted? :)
[11:29] <Kromag> well i did now
[11:29] <Kromag> cause i am restarting
[11:30] <mlelstv> then you didn't gave all the commands :)
[11:30] <mlelstv> ok, restart.
[11:30] <Kromag> uhm
[11:30] <mlelstv> would be much easier if I could see what you do :)
[11:30] <Kromag> my Pi3 is not even friggen starting up now
[11:30] <Kromag> oh mg
[11:31] <Kromag> ok
[11:31] <Kromag> there it goes
[11:31] <Kromag> that was very weird
[11:31] <Kromag> lol
[11:31] <Kromag> all my stuff is brand new too
[11:31] <Kromag> and was a pain in the butt to coordinate i would hate to have to sit here and send stuff back and go through the waiting process again
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[11:31] <Kromag> sheesh
[11:33] <Kromag> ok I am all restarted
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[11:33] <mlelstv> open a terminal
[11:33] <Kromag> yeaha the Terminal was not working properly before
[11:33] <Kromag> it's open
[11:33] <mlelstv> sudo mkdir /media/usb
[11:33] <Kromag> ok one sec....
[11:33] <mlelstv> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/usb
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[11:35] <mlelstv> and now check with the file manager :)
[11:35] <Kromag> it says mount: special device /dev/sda1/ does not exist
[11:36] <mlelstv> hmm
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[11:36] <Kromag> it created the directory usb tho
[11:36] <Kromag> but that's hit
[11:36] <Kromag> it
[11:36] <mlelstv> maybe something more wasn't done right? :)
[11:37] <mlelstv> have a look at /proc/partitions
[11:37] <Kromag> ok
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[11:37] <mlelstv> what does it list?
[11:37] <mlelstv> any sda or sdb ?
[11:38] <Kromag> nope
[11:38] <Kromag> oh shit
[11:38] <Kromag> oops
[11:38] <Kromag> sorry
[11:38] <Kromag> I totally forgot to plug in the usb
[11:38] <Kromag> omg
[11:38] <mlelstv> heh
[11:38] <Kromag> sorry man
[11:39] <Kromag> dang it I just re-entered the sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/usb to no avail said same thing
[11:39] <Kromag> about does not exist
[11:39] <Kromag> so looking on proc/partitions
[11:40] <mlelstv> is there now any sda or sdb ?
[11:40] <Kromag> yes
[11:40] <Kromag> sda
[11:41] <mlelstv> but no sda1 ?
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[11:41] <Kromag> 8 0 306677760 sda
[11:41] <Kromag> no sda1
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[11:41] <mlelstv> then the partitioning didn't work either.
[11:42] <Kromag> how come when I type gparted it wont let me open it up
[11:42] <Kromag> says I need root privs
[11:42] <mlelstv> you need root privs to partition a disk.
[11:42] <Kromag> don't i have that tho
[11:43] <Kromag> man I am so damn confused
[11:43] <mlelstv> on rpi? usually not. That's why you used the 'sudo' command.
[11:43] <Kromag> i just typed gparted
[11:43] <Kromag> in the terminal
[11:44] <Kromag> okay I have it open
[11:44] <mlelstv> now with sudo?
[11:44] <Kromag> yes
[11:44] <mlelstv> then you should see now the USB drive, and no partitions ?
[11:44] <Kromag> created the msdos table
[11:45] <mlelstv> be sure that you don't partition the SD card :)
[11:45] <Kromag> no I partitioned the drive
[11:45] <mlelstv> :)
[11:45] <Kromag> i only have 32 GiB SD
[11:45] <Kromag> and 314GiB drive
[11:45] <Kromag> lol
[11:45] <Kromag> okie partitioned
[11:46] <mlelstv> and now there should be a sda1 in /proc/partitions
[11:46] <Kromag> nope just sda
[11:46] <mlelstv> did you exit gparted?
[11:47] <Kromag> no
[11:47] <Kromag> should i
[11:47] <mlelstv> please do and look again
[11:47] <Kromag> it says one operation is pending
[11:47] <mlelstv> aha, so you didn't partition yet.
[11:47] <Kromag> how didn't i
[11:47] <Kromag> god this thing is so damn touchy
[11:48] <Kromag> I clicked partition thing
[11:48] <mlelstv> there should be a 'apply' button or something similar.
[11:48] <Kromag> it won't let me create a new partition cause it's showing there is one
[11:48] <Kromag> yup
[11:48] <Kromag> a green check mark
[11:49] <Kromag> applying all pending ops
[11:49] <mlelstv> :)
[11:49] <mlelstv> isn't that Windows style? :)
[11:49] <Kromag> hell no
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[11:49] <Kromag> this has like 240 more steps involved
[11:49] <mlelstv> changing things in a GUI and then the need to click 'apply' to actually do it?
[11:49] <Kromag> nothing like windows
[11:49] <Kromag> Windows is the easiest thing on earth
[11:50] <Kromag> no windows is user friendly and presents everything right there in a practiced paradigm
[11:50] <Kromag> that is proven
[11:50] <mlelstv> but suddenly it becomes non-intuitive when there is no windows-logo. I know.
[11:50] <Kromag> they actually spent millions just in researching where an enduser's eyes would be most likely placed
[11:50] <Kromag> at particular moments in there software // os
[11:51] <Kromag> so as to place certain controls in certain logical spots
[11:51] <mlelstv> I wonder why they dropped the start button then :)
[11:51] <Kromag> yeah
[11:51] <Kromag> they still have it
[11:51] <mlelstv> but it doesn't stop the machine anymore.
[11:51] <Kromag> ok it says 0 operations pending
[11:51] <Kromag> yes it does
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[11:52] <Kromag> everything is still pretty much the same
[11:52] <mlelstv> so, now an sda1 in partitions?
[11:52] <Kromag> want me to close gparted first now right?
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[11:52] <mlelstv> I'm curious. Have a look before closing it
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[11:53] <Kromag> well I had closed it
[11:53] <Kromag> and there is now sda and sda1
[11:53] <mlelstv> hurray
[11:53] <Kromag> 8 1 sda1
[11:53] <Kromag> yay
[11:53] <Kromag> gracias
[11:53] <mlelstv> that is 'device driver number 8, unit 1'
[11:53] <Kromag> mucho mucho
[11:53] <Kromag> okay
[11:53] <mlelstv> now try the mount
[11:54] <Kromag> let me check what the commands were
[11:54] <mlelstv> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/usb
[11:55] <Kromag> yay
[11:55] <Kromag> it friggen worked
[11:55] <Kromag> it just placed ubuntu_server on my desktop
[11:55] <Kromag> you're the man
[11:55] <mlelstv> sudo chown -h pi:pi /media/usb
[11:55] <mlelstv> then you can use it with the unprivileged user
[11:56] <mlelstv> default is 'owned by root account, only root can write, everyone else can read'.
[11:57] <Kromag> so when I type sudo chown -h pi:pi /media/usb
[11:57] <Kromag> there is not suppose to be any response
[11:57] <Kromag> right
[11:57] <mlelstv> yes
[11:57] <Kromag> in the terminal or anywhere else
[11:57] <Kromag> ok
[11:57] <mlelstv> most commands don't say anything when there is no problem.
[11:57] <Kromag> ok cool
[11:57] <Kromag> it works
[11:58] <Kromag> I am inside /media/ubuntu_server
[11:58] <Kromag> yabba dabba doo
[11:58] <Kromag> yeah see windows does
[11:58] <Kromag> has a response message in the windows pump for everything
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[11:58] <Kromag> you can subclass it and trap it
[11:58] <Kromag> I have ripped windows apart literally
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[11:58] <Kromag> reversed engineered damn near every part of it
[11:59] <Kromag> up until windows 8
[11:59] <mlelstv> Unix is much simpler
[11:59] <Kromag> from win 7 and below I ripped it apart
[11:59] <Kromag> 8 and up nadda
[11:59] <Kromag> been busy
[11:59] <Kromag> what do you mean Unix is
[11:59] <Kromag> more simpler than Linus
[11:59] <Kromag> linux
[11:59] <mlelstv> no
[11:59] <Kromag> like RedHat
[11:59] <Kromag> what?
[11:59] <mlelstv> Unix and Linux are almost the same thing.
[11:59] <Kromag> unix and linux are different
[12:00] <mlelstv> after all Linux is a re-write of Unix.
[12:00] <Kromag> ok we have another problem
[12:00] <Kromag> I went to open lost+found directory
[12:00] <Kromag> in /media/ubuntu_server
[12:00] <mlelstv> ok
[12:00] <Kromag> and says error permission denied
[12:01] <mlelstv> it's for root user only
[12:01] <Kromag> well how do I gain root user
[12:01] <Kromag> lol
[12:01] <Kromag> it's my computer
[12:01] <mlelstv> the lost+found directory is used when reparing a damaged filesystem. Some things may be recovered and end in lost+found
[12:01] <Kromag> well how do I gain access
[12:01] <mlelstv> otherwise lost+found should not be used
[12:01] <Kromag> I don't like not having access to things
[12:01] <mlelstv> do it as the root user
[12:02] <Kromag> how
[12:02] <Kromag> no way to do it via GUI
[12:02] <mlelstv> well...
[12:02] <Kromag> everything root has to be commands?
[12:02] <mlelstv> no, but it's better that way
[12:02] <Kromag> why
[12:02] <Kromag> I really am not fond of it that way
[12:03] <mlelstv> same as in windows :)
[12:03] <Kromag> no
[12:03] <Kromag> it's not
[12:03] <mlelstv> root, like the windows administrator, is very powerful. So whatever you do as it, may cause signficant damage.
[12:04] <Kromag> yeah well I being the owner and operator as well as the adult lol
[12:04] <mlelstv> so it's better to only do very specific things with that power. Running a GUI does lots of things that may go wrong.
[12:04] <Kromag> find that I am quite capable to take responsibility for what ever I do
[12:04] <Kromag> it's not like someone is going to hack my Pi3
[12:04] <mlelstv> I don't think such roles are about responsibility :)
[12:05] <Kromag> well I do things different in windows
[12:05] <mlelstv> always run as Administrator?
[12:05] <mlelstv> disabled UCE ?
[12:05] <Kromag> nope
[12:05] <Kromag> none of that
[12:05] <mlelstv> but that's what you were asking for
[12:05] <Kromag> but I always have access to everything
[12:05] <Kromag> I know
[12:05] <Kromag> I'll just look it up
[12:06] <Kromag> thanks
[12:06] <Kromag> I am going to read a book or something
[12:06] <mlelstv> you can easily run the filemanager as root.
[12:06] <Kromag> I gotta reposition myself
[12:06] <Kromag> friggen tumors
[12:06] <mlelstv> just saying that it's a bad idea :)
[12:06] <Kromag> I know all about it
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[12:07] <Kromag> the whole thing's a bad idea
[12:07] <Kromag> just turning it on and off is bad
[12:07] <Kromag> Thank you though
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[12:08] <ak5> hi, I am trying to get an old pi 1 to boot - I see recovery mode, held shift, reimaged from raspian and then it doesn't boot. I have usb keyboard/mouse, ethernet and hdmi plugged. any ideas?
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[12:09] <mlelstv> explain "reimaged" :)
[12:09] <ShorTie> i'd download raspbian and write it to sdcard
[12:09] <ShorTie> noobs not playing nice it sounds like
[12:09] <mlelstv> using some PC and a SD writer ?
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[12:11] * mlelstv should once try out noobs to see what other people are talking about
[12:12] <ak5> mlelstv: I copied the image over from recovery mode... idk :D
[12:12] <ak5> I don't have an SD writer, was hoping to not need to get onne
[12:12] <ak5> i know i have booted this device in the past with the current software
[12:13] <mlelstv> I can only guess that something went wrong with recovery
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[12:13] <ak5> I had archlinux in the recovery mode options, i may have added that myself? not sure. But neither that or raspian produces a picture on hdmi attached monitor after recovery mode entry screen
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[12:14] <ak5> it says it successfully did the recovery both times
[12:14] <ak5> :(
[12:15] <mlelstv> having a sd writer is pretty helpful. or a laptop with sd slot
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[12:18] <ak5> I believe you
[12:19] <ak5> you think the sd got corrupted with age?
[12:19] <mlelstv> unlikely, but possible
[12:20] <ShorTie> more like software got out dated
[12:20] <mlelstv> I rather think that something in noobs is wrong that 'recovery' didn't fix.
[12:20] <mlelstv> ancient noobs and modern raspbian? :)
[12:20] <ak5> ShorTie: the hardware prolly didn't upgrade itself though
[12:20] <ShorTie> may not work
[12:21] <ak5> mlelstv: so it doesn't reflash the boot part or whatever?
[12:21] <ShorTie> no, that be noobs
[12:22] <mlelstv> I don't think it does. But I haven't used noobs myself, so I might easily be wrong.
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[12:23] <bonhoeffer> any idea on how my rasp pi could sense where on a roulette wheel i stop at?
[12:23] <bonhoeffer> just what sector?
[12:25] <mlelstv> most simple thing would be two magnet sensors.
[12:26] <mlelstv> all sectors get one magnet, one sector gets two. And rpi counts.
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[12:26] <mlelstv> when you get both sensors to see a magnet, start counting from 1 again.
[12:26] <ak5> wouldn't a click every sector be much easier
[12:26] <ak5> sector count is known, calibrate it
[12:26] <bonhoeffer> nice
[12:27] <mlelstv> of course can use mechanical or optical sensors.
[12:27] <bonhoeffer> how would i count clicks?
[12:27] <mlelstv> you
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[12:27] <ak5> mechanical sensor of some sort
[12:27] <mlelstv> magnets are most simple.
[12:27] <bonhoeffer> for some dumb reason i was thinking of a unique code at each stop
[12:27] <yzT> hi, for a mail server, should I use as storage a SD card or attach a HDD to the raspberry?
[12:27] <bonhoeffer> i like the idea of magnets
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[12:28] <mlelstv> unique codes would allow you to get the sector number from any position.
[12:28] <ShorTie> magnets on a roulette wheel ??
[12:28] <mlelstv> two sensors are only good if the wheel does more than 1 revolution.
[12:28] <Habbie> yzT, i'm currently trying to decide between HDD and NFS, with both seeming sensible to me
[12:28] <Habbie> yzT, i never really considered SD because people keep telling me SD does not have a long life
[12:28] <ShorTie> kinda swaying the odds are we not
[12:29] <yzT> Habbie: ok ty
[12:29] <Habbie> yzT, also because the price per GB is higher than for HDD
[12:29] <Habbie> yzT, and the SD in the pi is slow
[12:29] <mlelstv> the SD in the pi is not slow
[12:29] <mlelstv> USB in the pi is slow :)
[12:29] <Habbie> well, i bought a pretty neat SD card
[12:29] <Habbie> but NFS is magnitudes faster
[12:29] <Habbie> over the usb ethernet
[12:30] <mlelstv> never
[12:30] <Habbie> you're pretty annoying
[12:30] <mlelstv> sorry
[12:31] <ak5> ok I played with some options in config.txt and now its showing up again
[12:31] <ak5> :)
[12:31] <mlelstv> but if the sd card is slow, something is wrong.
[12:31] <Habbie> that's the first time somebody has told me that
[12:31] <Habbie> i hope you're right :)
[12:31] <Habbie> because i would like for it to be faster
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[12:32] <mlelstv> sd card is ~20MB/s for most things, slower if you write lots tiny files.
[12:32] <Habbie> well email is lots of tiny files
[12:32] <mlelstv> ethernet is about 8MB/s, and NFS is way slower if you do anything with lots of tiny files.
[12:32] <Habbie> my benchmark was 'debootstrap' by the way
[12:32] <Habbie> i filled my ethernet by about 50% doing a debootstrap
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[12:34] <Habbie> similarly i found that 'apt-cache search' was equally fast from SD or from NFS
[12:34] <Habbie> except the first run from SD which was way slower
[12:34] <Habbie> so SD could only match NFS for me once cached in RAM
[12:35] <Habbie> my SD writes at 7.3 mbyte/sec
[12:35] <Habbie> wonder if this is not the great card i thought i put in there
[12:36] <mlelstv> no debootstrap here. But let me try to unpack a tarball with lots of small files
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[12:37] <Habbie> 'linear' anyway ;)
[12:37] <Habbie> 19 mbyte/sec read
[12:37] <Habbie> there's no way to see sd make/model from within raspbian, right
[12:37] <Habbie> by the way, I have more reasons for NFS than performance - it also means my mail is on RAID
[12:38] <mlelstv> now that's something different :)
[12:39] <bonhoeffer> so does anyone have a good link to the magnetic sensors (cheap) that i could build the roulette wheel with
[12:40] <bonhoeffer> the goal is to display statistics about where the wheel is landing
[12:40] <Habbie> mlelstv, it is :)
[12:41] <Habbie> mlelstv, but i'll also be backupping so it's not the final argument
[12:41] <Habbie> *backing up
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[12:45] <mlelstv> http://www.raspberrypi-spy.co.uk/2015/09/how-to-use-a-hall-effect-sensor-with-the-raspberry-pi/
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[12:46] <mlelstv> about $2 a piece
[12:46] <bonhoeffer> thanks
[12:47] <mlelstv> the alternative to a hall sensors is a reed relay.
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[13:20] <ShanShen> /nick ShanShen_
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[13:31] <bonhoeffer> mlelstv: i'll look at reed relays
[13:33] <mlelstv> it's also called 'reed switch' without the actuator coil.
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[13:36] <Zardoz> hey mlelstv you been busy. :P
[13:37] <mlelstv> me? :)
[13:37] <Zardoz> yup
[13:38] <Zardoz> mlelstv: you messed with pi-hole any
[13:42] <mlelstv> is that a question?
[13:42] <Zardoz> ?
[13:42] <Zardoz> :)
[13:45] <mlelstv> I fear I cannot parse that sentence :)
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[13:48] <Zardoz> haha, ok. nevermind...
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[13:52] <gordonDrogon> afternoon...
[13:53] <ThePendulum> morning...
[13:53] <ThePendulum> the fire nation attacked
[14:00] <yene> death to canada?
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[14:18] <doublehp> can you define a good model for rPi PSU and good uSD card (that won't die after 6 months)
[14:21] <ShorTie> but you left out the other most important part, a good micro-usb power cable
[14:22] <ShorTie> that is most likely more problematic then the others as peeps think cheap phone charging cords will work
[14:23] <doublehp> ShorTie: most PSU include the cable ; if it's not, I use AUKEY ones from Amazon, they are the best I have ever tried
[14:23] <doublehp> ShorTie: no reason to ask when i already have a good answer
[14:24] <SpeedEvil> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Charger-RAVPower-iSmart-Technology-Smartphones-Black/dp/B00GX3BKKW?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o07_s00 I like this for a PSU
[14:24] <SpeedEvil> works well
[14:24] <ShorTie> but i've never had a problem with the other 2 as long as a good quaility micro-usb cable is used
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[14:25] <doublehp> SpeedEvil: it's very expensive, and too much powerfull for a single rpi ...
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[14:25] <SpeedEvil> Sure, unless you later might decide to plug in whatever
[14:25] <SpeedEvil> and then suddenly you need power
[14:26] <doublehp> this is unlikely ... like .. 150% unlikely
[14:27] <SpeedEvil> If you think ten quid is expensive, you are going to have a bad time for reliability
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[14:27] <Habbie> i've also fed a pi from such a 4 port thing
[14:28] <Habbie> it's just convenient to only use one power socket for multiple usb devices
[14:29] <doublehp> are AUKEY chargers good ? only used their cables so far
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[14:30] <Habbie> btw 10 quid is cheap even for a quality single port charger
[14:30] <ShorTie> what is a 'AUKEY charger' ??
[14:32] <stormpp> Did anyone used a SDM120C smart energy meter ? (that is a specific question!)
[14:33] <ShorTie> after lookin @ Amazon, i'd say those things are no good
[14:34] <ShorTie> up to 5 volts
[14:34] <doublehp> ShorTie: https://www.amazon.fr/Chargeur-Technolgoie-Portable-smartphones-tablettes/dp/B0114F4A8C/ref=pd_bxgy_147_img_2?ie=UTF8&refRID=5F2Z1RV9TD45ZXBZ99ZF
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[14:35] <mfa298> doublehp: why not just get the official RPi PSU (5.1V, 2.5A
[14:35] <ShorTie> can't read that, but still say no good
[14:36] <ShorTie> RPi PSU (5.1V, 2.5A != to that thingy
[14:36] <mfa298> https://thepihut.com/collections/raspberry-pi-power-supplies/products/official-raspberry-pi-universal-power-supply
[14:36] <doublehp> ShorTie: this old model may not deliver 12V
[14:36] <mfa298> or various other Pi sellers
[14:37] <ShorTie> never had a problem with cheap ebay 1's
[14:39] <doublehp> SpeedEvil: i don't see the point of having several ports if I Can't even plug my phone
[14:40] <ShorTie> your using that other thing to run pi and charge phone ??
[14:40] <Habbie> doublehp, why wouldn't you be able to plug in your phone?
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[14:41] <doublehp> Habbie: my phone wants 9V
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[14:41] <Habbie> doublehp, oh
[14:41] <doublehp> Habbie: my phone never had 5V in his life
[14:41] <Habbie> my phone always gets 5V
[14:41] <gordonDrogon> phones needing 9v? what century is this from?
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[14:43] <doublehp> gordonDrogon: started in 2013; now 95% phones use this (except Apple; iphone 6 has the hardware chip, but Apple refuses to spread the appropriate driver)
[14:43] <gordonDrogon> my phone - bought 8 months ago uses 5v.
[14:43] <Habbie> doublehp, oh this is the fast charging stuff?
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[14:44] <doublehp> Habbie: QC2; fast charging is an ambiguous word covering at least 3 different kinds of chargers (each kind being available in at least 2 tastes)
[14:44] <Habbie> ack
[14:44] <gordonDrogon> my n6 fast-charges on 5v ...
[14:44] <gordonDrogon> so many 'stanadards' )-:
[14:45] <doublehp> Asus and Acer force chargers to 12-15V since ages (see the Transformer, refusing to charge below 14V USB ... )
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[14:46] <doublehp> gordonDrogon: no, there is only one leading standard now, it's QC2 (QC3 coming this year). AiP is dieing, and all other alternatives have been eaten by QC2 (1&1 did a 5V 4A plug, it's now abandonned; Apple and Samsung are also abandoning their old systems for the official USB system: DCP/CDP ... used by QC2)
[14:49] <doublehp> official new USB*3* system (DCP/CDP was introduced by usb*3*)
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[15:29] <brianx> 10 quid is incredibly expensive for a 2.5A power supply. i've been cutting down a cheap usb phone cable to around 2 inches long and using one of these: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-5PCS-GW1584-Ultra-small-size-DC-DC-step-down-power-supply-module-3A-adjustable/32246851047.html along with a 9V DC 1A wall wart from my junk bin.
[15:30] <mfa298> but then that won't get you 5V 2.5A,
[15:30] <brianx> mfa298: why won't it?
[15:30] <mfa298> because you can't create power from nothing.
[15:30] <mfa298> it's physics
[15:31] <mfa298> 9V @1A is 9W, 9W at 5V gives 1.8A at best (it''ll be lower due to efficiency)
[15:31] <mlelstv> .oO( it's a kind of magic )
[15:31] <brianx> the wall wart delivers a bit over an amp when it's voltage is allowed to sag.
[15:31] <mfa298> so probably around 1.4A is the best you'll get from a 9V 1A PSU with step down
[15:31] <brianx> i've tested the combination at 5.0V and it delivers about 2.1A
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[15:33] <mlelstv> of course then it may run hotter than aloud or make break sooner than expected, or you may be lucky.
[15:33] <mlelstv> allowed
[15:33] <mlelstv> argl
[15:33] <brianx> given that worst case, the pi3b takes 1.34A in their worst case stress test, it's not an issue.
[15:33] <giddles> retropie experts around?
[15:33] <giddles> i cant ok my keyboard
[15:34] <giddles> seems simple or stupid solution
[15:34] <mfa298> if you can really get 5V @2.1A out, then you're PSU is likely providing a really dirty 9V @1.5A
[15:35] <mlelstv> maybe he likes it dirty?
[15:35] <brianx> the output looks very nice on a scope.
[15:35] <mlelstv> the step down converter could help.
[15:35] <Habbie> giddles, cant 'ok'?
[15:35] <giddles> jup
[15:35] <giddles> i setup my keyboard
[15:35] <giddles> and i hit 100x enter on "OK"
[15:35] <giddles> nothing happen
[15:36] <mlelstv> what is "OK" on the keyboard? :)
[15:36] <brianx> there is a 220uF cap that i've put on the output. probably helps, but i've never looked at it with the scope without the cap.
[15:36] <giddles> enter?
[15:36] <giddles> brb again ;D
[15:37] <mfa298> the step down should help provider a cleaner 5V suply, but I wouldn't trust that 9V PSU to stay happy. At best it'll just burn out at some point.
[15:37] <brianx> the wall wart transformer that i'm using isn't clean. it's clearly just a transformer a rectifier and a fairly small capacitor. doesn't need to be any better than that.
[15:38] <brianx> my oldest one has been running a pi3b overclocked and set to performance for a couple months now.
[15:38] <mlelstv> brianx, helps a lot if the transformer melts or the rectifier diodes break :)
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[15:39] <brianx> mlelstv: the wall wart is old. probably better made than modern ones. the one i'm thinking of is from an old USR modem.
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[15:39] <mlelstv> in a hollywood movie, it would start to glow slowly first :)
[15:39] <doublehp> brianx: in 99% cases, step converters can be customised; I always push voltage a bit, from 5.0 to 5.5V; this helps compensating the voltage drop in the USB cable, and HUGELY increases the charging rate for phones
[15:39] <doublehp> brianx: in most steppers, you just need to alter the pair of resistors doing the voltage divider
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[15:40] <brianx> given that it's a switcher in the pi, it'll just pull more current if there's any small amount of sag. if you look at my original statement, the cable is cut down.
[15:40] <doublehp> brianx: unless ... is it a pot they have put on the left ?
[15:40] <brianx> i just use the pot that china installed.
[15:41] <brianx> set to as close to 5V as i can get, but not under.
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[15:41] <brianx> iirc, this one is set to 5.02V
[15:43] <brianx> these little 1584 based switchers are really nice for the price. had i used a 12V 1A wall wart, i'm sure it would do the full 2.5A easily. 9V was just handy.
[15:44] <brianx> bunches of these 9V 1A supplies are in my box from an old real estate office that i converted to internet from dial up.
[15:46] <brianx> 0.40US plus junk bin parts sure beats 10 quid.
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[15:57] <Chunkyz> sup
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[16:01] <genmort> does SSH key pairs provide any security if i don't disable regular password authentication?
[16:01] <H__> none
[16:02] <genmort> alright thanks
[16:02] <SpeedEvil> Slight.
[16:02] <SpeedEvil> It means your password can't be snooped
[16:04] <H__> true, that's an extra
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[16:09] <brianx> using ssh keys means that any account compromised leads directly to compromising all boxen you have key based access to. if someone has a keyboard sniffer on your box, they own your box already.
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[16:11] <Valduare> I use siri to ssh to my email server is that bad?
[16:12] <abnormal> yeah that's public domain I think... maybe not..
[16:13] <ThePendulum> brianx: you can still put a password on the key
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[16:13] <abnormal> SpeedEvil: what you think or know about siri?
[16:13] <ThePendulum> that said if someone has physical access to your machine you're nearly always ***'d regardless
[16:13] <abnormal> right
[16:14] <ThePendulum> that's why you put a lock on your door :P
[16:14] <brianx> ThePendulum: you can.
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[16:15] <brianx> in general, physical access usually means logical access. ask the fbi about physical access to iphones. :-p
[16:15] <abnormal> lol
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[16:16] <abnormal> yeah, sheesh, they sure pushed the limit...
[16:16] <brianx> all publicity.
[16:17] <abnormal> yes, anything online is public domain...
[16:17] <brianx> they'd have to be really stupid to not be able to clone a phone and attack the clone(s).
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[16:18] <abnormal> right
[16:18] <giddles> hah retropi works \0/
[16:18] <abnormal> congrats
[16:18] <brianx> awesome giddles
[16:18] <abnormal> lol
[16:19] <giddles> %)
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[16:19] <abnormal> my pi zero works flawless... awesome little gizmo...
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[16:20] <abnormal> has Raspbian Jessie on it
[16:21] <brianx> i see the zero is back in stock locally for me. $5 plus tax. gadget ethernet is a perfect complement.
[16:21] <abnormal> yes
[16:22] <abnormal> well gotta go... be back in a while... cya
[16:22] <brianx> have a good one
[16:22] <ak5> hi guys is there some documentation for the first iteration? can i install a modern raspbian on it?
[16:23] <brianx> yes, the latest raspbian even has gadget usb pre installed.
[16:23] <Valduare> does it?
[16:24] <brianx> Valduare: that's what i read. might need a firmware update, but i don't think so.
[16:25] <Valduare> what is a good use case for usb ethernet mode
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[16:30] <ak5> brianx: was that affirmative directed to my question?
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[16:38] <brianx> ak5: yes.
[16:39] <brianx> the zero is just another pi. raspbian works.
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[16:41] <ak5> brianx: thanks
[16:41] <brianx> np
[16:41] <ak5> brianx: is it just debian style apt-get dist-upgrade? I am on wheezy nnow it seems
[16:42] <ak5> sorry for noob questions, send me to some link if there is a good faq plz I know linux, just not small computers :)
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[16:46] <Chillum> ak5: yes it is debian style
[16:46] <Chillum> very much the same apt-get commands
[16:47] <Chillum> you can even compile most things meant for debian to work on the pi
[16:47] <ak5> Chillum: ok, is there a userspace tool to manage the SD card recovery options? I am in china and I think I am going to want to reset to the latest version after I pull all those upgrades
[16:48] <ak5> im anticipating riding this thing for all its got :)
[16:48] <Chillum> what do you mean? If you want the latest OS then just write the lastest image to the SD card directly
[16:48] <Chillum> the sd card is just a file system
[16:49] <Chillum> do you mean backups?
[16:49] <ak5> nope, i think you answered it
[16:49] <Chillum> good
[16:49] <ak5> its something in /boot I overwrite some image file with latest one? can i generate it from my own install like if I want vim preinstalled?
[16:50] <ak5> like a snapshot of / I copy over ..?
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[16:54] <brianx> ak5: i'd pull the latest image from raspberrypi.org. i had problems upgrading from wheezy on a b to then run on the zero.
[16:54] <ak5> brianx: ok cool
[16:54] <Valduare> i’ve been lookig for some ideas on something to do with my pi0
[16:55] <brianx> ak5: you might just try the boot partition, if you have a lot of things installed and configured. not sure it that works or not.
[16:56] <ak5> Valduare: same here
[16:56] <ak5> Valduare: let me know if you find something interesting
[16:56] <ak5> :D
[16:56] <Valduare> I do have a great case for it
[16:57] <Valduare> c4labs makes a case for pi0 with breadboard built in
[16:57] <ak5> I bought a kit when they just came out now i quit my job 3 years later... yeah
[16:57] <ak5> dont wanna get a new one, because i never really used this one :D
[16:58] <Valduare> I have a pi3 and pi0
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[17:03] <Valduare> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sm_qdeconI
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[17:07] <ak5> hm, im not sure I have a 0 I thought it was a 1 (never heard of 0)
[17:07] <Valduare> pi zero is the super tiny one
[17:08] <gordonDrogon> the zero is new.
[17:08] <gordonDrogon> if you have wiringPi instaled, then gpio -v will tell you what you have.
[17:09] <ak5> model B revision 2 512MB
[17:09] <ak5> thats a 2 then?
[17:10] <gordonDrogon> no, it's a model B. it's confusing.
[17:10] <ak5> heh, yes it is
[17:10] <ak5> so 1b ?
[17:10] <gordonDrogon> essentially a version 1. Version 2 is still a "model B".
[17:10] <ak5> china...
[17:10] <ak5> who'da thunk
[17:10] <ak5> alright
[17:10] <gordonDrogon> it should tell you the factory.
[17:11] <ak5> Maker: Sony
[17:11] <gordonDrogon> some B revision 2's were made in the UK.
[17:11] <gordonDrogon> Sony is UK.
[17:11] <ak5> oh, ok
[17:11] <gordonDrogon> It's their factory in Wales.
[17:11] <ak5> ok, so for all intents and purposes I have a rbp1
[17:11] <ak5> ?
[17:11] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[17:12] <ak5> thanks :)
[17:12] <gordonDrogon> The v2 is the quad code + 1GB RAM and the v3 the same, but with the 64-bit core & wi-fi+bt
[17:12] <gordonDrogon> your's will have a 26-pin GPIO connector plus the P5 8-way one.
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[19:34] <chris_99> Hey, didn't there used to be an official arch rpi image? i'm struggling to find one atm
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[19:35] <abnormal> github may have it
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[19:36] <pintman> !help
[19:39] <abnormal> https://archlinuxarm.org/
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[19:40] <chris_99> yeah i'm just looking at https://github.com/phortx/Raspberry-Pi-Setup-Guide it looks like there aren't dd'able images anymore, so i guess i'll just follow that guide, which uses root tarballs from that site
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[19:41] <abnormal> https://sourceforge.net/projects/archlinux-rpi2/
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[19:42] <abnormal> http://elinux.org/ArchLinux_Install_Guide
[19:43] <abnormal> that should get you started for now... hope it helps
[19:43] <chris_99> yeah, cheers
[19:43] <abnormal> good luck... ;--)
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[20:26] <atracht> is there a site with a listing of premade pi images to download
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[20:29] <abnormal> link?
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[20:44] <Chunkyz> 'sup
[20:45] <abnormal> dunno, look up and maybe you'll find out....
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[20:46] <Chunkyz> abnormal, you're a great comedian. should do stand up...
[20:47] <abnormal> ty, but I am actually sitting on my stool in workshop,lol
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[20:50] <abnormal> oh well... now I am waiting for stuff to come in mail... ordered two relay boards and an NI 6009
[20:50] <Chunkyz> grats, have a medal.
[20:51] <abnormal> ty
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[20:51] <abnormal> I have no clue how to get my pi to talk with my lappy... so difficult for me to follow.
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[20:53] <Algram> Hello. I am trying to set up my led strip to work with my pi. I am following this guide: http://andypi.co.uk/2014/12/27/raspberry-pi-controlled-ws2801-rgb-leds/ I have the exact same LED strip and the same setup, but the leds jsut wont turn on. Can anyone help me out?
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[20:54] <abnormal> Valduare: help this person, please? ^^^^
[20:55] <Kromag> hello mlelstv
[20:56] <Kromag> @mlelstv: Thanks for helping me earlier with my PiDrive! I am very greatful for your assistance Sire!! :)
[20:57] <abnormal> what was the trick?
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[21:05] <Kromag> abnormal: Trick?
[21:05] <Kromag> Oh, I was not talking about a Trick
[21:06] <abnormal> I mean the solution to the PiDrive issue..
[21:06] <Kromag> It was not being recognized cause I never dug that deep into that type of OS
[21:07] <Kromag> and I was not properly (at first) instructed it was assumed i had implicit knowledge already of how gparted worked
[21:07] <Kromag> There was a little Green Check mark
[21:07] <Kromag> that was needing to be clicked to commit the changes done to the PiDrive
[21:08] <Kromag> and everytime I used, LoL, gparted to roll out a new partition on my HDD it wasn't being propegated
[21:08] <Kromag> lmao
[21:08] <Kromag> something so simple
[21:08] <Kromag> all I had to do was click that dang green check mark
[21:08] <Kromag> to finalize the format, partioning
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[21:09] <Kromag> Then I checked /proc/partition
[21:09] <Kromag> found, FINALLY, spa1
[21:09] <Kromag> and mounted it
[21:09] <Kromag> via Terminal
[21:09] <Kromag> then applied root access
[21:09] <Kromag> and badda boom
[21:11] <Kromag> everything begun working as intended
[21:11] <Kromag> and now I had advanced it further
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[21:13] <abnormal> sweet thank you... little green goblins... lol
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[21:39] <Kromag> abnormal: ?
[21:39] <Kromag> I do not fallow bro
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[21:46] <mohsen_> Isn't there any package to install to make the right to left languages appear correctly?
[21:46] <nielsNL> Hi, can someone direct me to read a mail message on my raspberry pi?
[21:47] <mohsen_> Currently persian characters are input left to right, which should be right to left.
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[22:00] <Kromag> nielsNL: open the browser navigate to gmail.com
[22:00] <Kromag> read your mail
[22:01] <Kromag> badda bing
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[22:07] <Algram> how can I install the spi-bcm2708 Module on my raspbery Pi? it seems it is not installed for some reason..
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[22:09] <Kromag> woah
[22:09] <Kromag> spi-bcm2708?
[22:09] <Kromag> That friggen sounds pretty darn interesting right there based soely on the name lol
[22:09] <nielsNL> Kromag: lol it is a mail inside my pi not on gmail :P
[22:10] <mfa298> Algram: I think you need to enable spi in device tree first.
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[22:16] <Kromag> hmm
[22:16] <Kromag> okay same thing
[22:17] <Kromag> firstly check the default settings for the OS you're using or just open it directly inside a mapped program or use the WebBrowser
[22:17] <Kromag> as it was intended
[22:17] <nielsNL> is that an answer for me?
[22:18] <Kromag> I would just open it in gmail
[22:18] <nielsNL> i use raspbian
[22:18] <Kromag> then lmgtfy.com/?search=XxxxxX for the proper SUDO command(s)
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[22:18] <Kromag> I use raspbian too
[22:18] <Kromag> I believe it's the 'jessy' flavor
[22:19] <nielsNL> and every time i open the console window i see : you have a new post in /var/mail/pi
[22:19] <Kromag> ah cool
[22:20] <Kromag> wonder who it could be from
[22:20] <Kromag> could be interesting
[22:20] <Kromag> hmm...
[22:20] <Kromag> let me check my mail
[22:20] <Kromag> maybe i'll se d you another one
[22:20] <mfa298> nielsNL: it'll probably be from something you've run locally (possibly a cronjob)
[22:21] <Kromag> ^
[22:21] <mfa298> for the most basic way of reading local mail just use the 'mail' command (it's very basic though)
[22:21] <mfa298> installing alpine gives a better (text based) email client
[22:24] <Kromag> ^
[22:24] <Kromag> mfa298: he said he had raspbian as do i and mine come preinstalled [alpine] that is
[22:24] <Kromag> what gives?
[22:25] <nielsNL> thanks both of you ;))
[22:26] <mfa298> Kromag: mine doesn't - may well depend on whether you have lite or not
[22:26] <nielsNL> just found that i can do cat /var/mail/pi to see what is inside the file.
[22:26] <nielsNL> andi it is indeed from cronjob errors
[22:27] <Algram> mfa298: I have spi enabled in device tree. still doesnt work
[22:27] <nielsNL> it tried to install jasper on my pi and that triggered this.
[22:28] <Algram> mfa298: could it have to do with 2708 vs 2835?
[22:28] <Berg> The SPI master driver is disabled by default on Raspian. To enable it, remove the blacklisting for spi-bcm2708 in /etc/modprobe.d/raspi-blacklist.conf, or use raspi-config. Reboot or load the driver manually with:\
[22:28] <Algram> Berg: the blacklist is empty on my pi.
[22:29] <Berg> sudo modprobe spi-bcm2708
[22:29] <Algram> Berg: modprobe: FATAL: Module spi-bcm2708 not found.
[22:29] <mfa298> you can also use raspi-config to do all the bits to enable spi
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[22:29] <Berg> oops sounds nasty
[22:30] <Algram> mfa298: yeah I've used raspi-config. it is enabled
[22:30] <Algram> the modulespi-bcm2805 is fund though, but not spi-bcm2708
[22:30] <mfa298> have you done an apt-get upgrade recently (i.e. more recently than a reboot)
[22:30] <Algram> mfa298: no.
[22:31] <mfa298> I had some similar issues where the kernel had been updated so the modules on SD were newer than the running kernel
[22:32] <Algram> how can I check that?
[22:32] <mfa298> compare the version of uname -a with whats in /lib/modules
[22:32] <mfa298> looking on my Pi1 doing spi the loaded module is called spi_bcm2835
[22:33] <Algram> yeah I have 2835 too, this one works, but how can I get all the software stuff to look for that instead of the old one?
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[22:34] <mfa298> it may depend on which Pi model you're using (I've only done SPI on a Pi1)
[22:34] <Algram> im using one of those rare zeros
[22:35] <mfa298> I'm pretty sure that's the same soc as the Pi1 so might be worth trying modprobe spi-bcm2835 and see if it works
[22:36] <Algram> yeah I mean that works
[22:36] <Algram> but it doesnt help me
[22:38] <Algram> becuase for example software that uses spi still wont work
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[22:40] <Berg> http://raspi.tv/how-to-enable-spi-on-the-raspberry-pi
[22:41] <Algram> Berg: as I said before, that's what I did.
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[22:41] <Berg> sure
[22:41] <Algram> so you dont believe me or what?
[22:42] <Berg> settle down im just looking at helping not agtression
[22:42] <Berg> agression
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[22:43] <Algram> sorry, I though you where :) So yeah, I tried both setting it in the config.txt and via the raspi-config. The module cant be found. I can however activate the bcm2835 which seems to be a newer version
[22:44] <Berg> i never had a zero buty i suspect it will have similar methods even if the version of spi is diff
[22:45] <Algram> Berg: I also read the 2835 is the new version now and the 2708 is deprecated. I don't quite get how it works though: If I hae the never version, will software that relies on the old version still work?
[22:45] <Berg> no clue
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[22:47] <mfa298> looks like the newer Jessie images I've got don't have a blacklist file for modules so I suspect it's devicetree mostly to enable / disable it.
[22:47] <Algram> I think so
[22:48] <Algram> To be honest I think I just dont have the bcm2708 module anymore so that's why I cant enable it. Instead the bcm2835 gets enabled
[22:48] <mfa298> Algram: AIUI the linux kernel provides a standardised spi interface /dev/spidev*, the modules just provide the interface to talk to the hardware
[22:48] <mfa298> It maybe the kernel module depends on the SOC chip in use.
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[22:49] <Algram> mfa298: yeah btu that means if I enable bvm2835, which I can, then all of the software using spi shoudl work, but it doesnt
[22:50] <mfa298> you might need to make sure it's using the correct /dev/spidev* device, My Pi1 has two (/dev/spidev0.0 and /dev/spidev0.1)
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[22:50] <Algram> I've checked that, it is using te correct one (v0.0)
[22:50] <mfa298> might be worth seeing if you have any such devices, that might help determine if the right things are loaded
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[22:51] <Algram> if I do "lsmod" it clearly shows that spi_bcm2835 is enabled
[22:51] <grossing> my raspberry has a little troble with the time... have a look at the timestamps: http://paste.grossing.org/?0d429623196d3d55#pHrrMLAeunPYke7Ok820wsSpgMVNM0MV+QvyYNRCdNs=
[22:52] <mfa298> just tried on a Pi2 all I had to do was uncomment the 'dtparam=spi=on' line in /boot/config.txt and reboot. That now has the spi_bcm2835 module loaded and has the two devices on /dev
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[22:53] <mfa298> have you checked your hardware is good, has it worked previously ?
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[22:53] <Algram> mfa298: the hardware has worked on adifferent pi
[22:54] <nielsNL> mfa298: are you sure the spi_bcm2835 should be exist?
[22:55] <nielsNL> i just checked my new image and it is not listed in the overlay folder.
[22:55] <Algram> nielsNL: do a lsmod and see if it is listed there
[22:55] <mfa298> nielsNL: that's what I get from 'lsmod | grep spi' on pis where SPI has been enabled in device tree (if its not enabled you won't get the module loaded)
[22:55] <nielsNL> will do after install it again.
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[22:56] <nielsNL> okay then dont bother my question ;)
[22:56] <mfa298> my /boot/overlays folder has spi-bcm2708-overlay.dtb and spi-bcm2835-overlay.dtb
[22:58] <mfa298> I have seen comments about there being a 2nd spi peripheral which might be the spi-bcm2708 version. The spi-bcm2835 is what appears on the smaller header used by the Pi1 (I think the 2nd SPI peripheral is on the extra pins on the B+/Pi2/Pi3/Pi0)
[22:58] <mfa298> Algram: that might be something to check, which set of SPI pins the hardware you've got connects to
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[22:59] <Algram> mfa298: it is connected to the right ones, already checked that
[23:00] <Algram> mfa298: I just checked my /boot/overlays. I have neither of both modules in there
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[23:00] <Algram> also, my file endings ar e".dtbo" and not ".dtb"
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[23:01] <Algram> could the problem be that I installed "raspbian lite" and not "raspbian"
[23:01] <mfa298> the only entry I have for SPI in /boot/config.txt is 'dtparam=spi=on' (which was commented out by default)
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[23:02] <mfa298> (sorry misread that as the config file not the overlays folder)
[23:03] <mfa298> if you havn't done so it might be worth an apt-get update / apt-get upgrade (and possibly apt-get dist-upgrade) to ensure you have the latest packages.
[23:04] <mfa298> the pi2 I tested on is raspbian lite from end of feb
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[23:06] <Algram> will do that, one sec
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[23:08] <ThePendulum>
[23:09] <Algram> mfa298: yeah I have the leatest versions of everything
[23:09] <ThePendulum> now it's a heart with a slight reflection :o added opacity to the pencil
[23:09] <ThePendulum> oh yeah vandalize it
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[23:09] <mfa298> I wonder if SPI is something else that's broken in the latest release
[23:09] <Algram> ThePendulum: u doing that in nodejs?
[23:10] <Algram> mfa298: there is other stuff?
[23:10] <mfa298> I think there have been some issues in using the UART
[23:10] <ThePendulum> Algram: Yeah, I'll be looking into the math expression options for Python soon so I can hopefully run it a bit more efficiently
[23:10] <ThePendulum> Algram: the real thing is a lot smoother, it's updating the browser twice a second
[23:10] <Algram> ThePendulum: good old port 3000 in node
[23:10] <ThePendulum> haha
[23:11] <ThePendulum> yeah that must've stuck with me, it's not even falling to a default or something, I just set it to 3000 naturally
[23:11] <ThePendulum> since video can be streamed practically in real time though, I'm sure there must be a way to update the live feedback at a higher frequency
[23:11] <Algram> ThePendulum: how are u updating the browser?
[23:12] <ThePendulum> Algram: a socket packet with all the pixels in an array twice a second
[23:12] <Algram> with socket.io?
[23:12] <ThePendulum> nah, native websockets in the browser and the websocket library for node ('ws')
[23:13] <Algram> ah okey, well there is no reason not to update the image more often thatn twice a second with websockets
[23:13] <ThePendulum> not many noteworthy differences for all intents and purposes
[23:13] <ThePendulum> yeah I'm not sure what kind of frequency is 'safe'
[23:13] <ThePendulum> don't want to hang mobile browsers
[23:13] <Algram> ThePendulum: the cleanther thing though would be "optimistic drawing"
[23:13] <ThePendulum> optimistic drawing?
[23:13] <Algram> oke, let me explain:
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[23:14] <ThePendulum> it's updating every 100ms now
[23:15] <Algram> the user clicks on the image. isntead of sending stuff via websockets and grabbing the updated image, do this: Onece the suer clicks on the image, add the stuff immediately in his browser. at the same time send thre updated data and grab the updated image and then if that is there update the iamge to a consistent state again
[23:16] <ThePendulum> OH, yeah, I was going to think about that, I disabled the local drawing atm since it was obviously flickering and I wanted to fix other stuff first
[23:16] <Algram> thats usually the way you handle this. chat apps do ti all the time
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[23:16] <Algram> and it is really easy to implement
[23:18] <Algram> mfa298: hm yeah I simply cant figure it out. Maybe I'll try to reinstall completely
[23:18] <ThePendulum> I think I'm just going to let the local copy override anything the server sends it
[23:18] <ThePendulum> opposed to messages there isn't really a clear point where the pixel has been updated remotely
[23:18] <Algram> as long as you send the new data to the server everytime that should work
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[23:25] <ThePendulum> hmm using rgba as a fillStyle is using a slightly different opacity model apparently
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[23:28] <ThePendulum> Oh not really, it's just drawing over itself
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[23:57] <juhaj> Hi channel. Does anyone know a good video-call software for pi?
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