#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2016-06-05

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[0:07] <illwrks> juhaj: I'm just getting into pi's, and have had a similar idea. I founds this, it might be of help to you too: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=45807&p=438594
[0:09] <illwrks> juhaj: webRTC also seems like a good avenue: http://www.rs-online.com/designspark/electronics/blog/building-a-raspberry-pi-2-webrtc-camera
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[0:10] <Chillum> neat
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[0:33] <juhaj> Any other video call suggestions? 1080p won't fly with the connection speeds available and webrtc… well, let's just say I am not planning to taint my raspis with web browsers other than wget and curl if I can avoid it
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[1:01] <Kromag> https://lightsaber.withgoogle.com/
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[1:07] <abnormal> lol, mine says "incompatible computer"
[1:09] <Berg> power outage has been re-stored
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[1:10] <Chunkyz> ubuntu 16.04 on the rbpi 2 is slow as hell!
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[1:24] <abnormal> nah
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[1:24] <abnormal> just your observation is slow... lol
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[1:25] <abnormal> cool, Berg, what was the source of the power outtage?
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[1:27] <giddles> hey ppl
[1:27] <giddles> i wanna test some leds on my gpio
[1:27] <giddles> some recommends or must i google untill my head smoke?
[1:29] <chris_99> Can anyone suggest any alternatives to `motion' on the Rpi, for motion capturey stuff?
[1:29] <abnormal> lol... no, you need to look at gordonDrogon's site
[1:30] <converge> giddles: I like this video, it learns how to blink a led https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uevdLmyq1tU
[1:31] <converge> its in portuguese, but its easy to just watch
[1:32] <converge> *it teach
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[1:33] <Berg> huge storm east coast autral;ia
[1:34] <Berg> abnormal:
[1:34] <Berg> 300mm plus rain in last 48h
[1:34] <abnormal> yes, i see that on news everywhere.. sorry
[1:35] <Berg> its ok normal
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[1:37] <abnormal> ok... still sad tho...
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[2:04] <converge> im trying to make this robot walk, what do u think? https://youtu.be/sP5G7Ej3Wsw
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[2:12] <exonormal> lol, very simple one.... go for it..
[2:12] <converge> exonormal: cool, im trying to copy tars
[2:13] <exonormal> nice... make it reality...
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[2:26] <Berg> i got the voice recognition working i used python speech_recognition
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[2:26] <Berg> import speech_recognition as sr
[2:26] <Kromag> ew
[2:26] <Berg> works just fine
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[2:32] <stormpp> guys can you help how in Python I get the status of a relay (weather it is ON or OFF) ?
[2:33] <stormpp> I need it in PHP to get the status dynamically based on a python script which detects the current state
[2:33] <Berg> you need the status on a gpio pin?
[2:34] <stormpp> basically yes
[2:35] <ShorTie> the only true way is to monitor the voltage after the contacts
[2:35] <ShorTie> other then that, it's a assumsion
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[2:36] <ShorTie> using a opto coupler would provide isolation
[2:37] <stormpp> So if the TURN ON and OFF script work fine, and you say if I only get the status is a wrong approach ? WHY ? if it work for On or Off basically getting the status should be sufficient enough
[2:37] <Berg> if you only want the status of the pins yes
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[2:39] <Smeef> Anyone have experience getting one of these to work with a pi zero? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bluetooth-4-0-150Mbps-Mini-Wireless-USB-WI-FI-Adapter-LAN-WIFI-Network-Card-AP-/121743099489
[2:39] <stormpp> so how do I get them ?
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[2:40] <Berg> i have a opticoupled relay and hi is off low is on for the pins to relay
[2:40] <Berg> inh python
[2:41] <ShorTie> that is not what i was talking about
[2:41] <exonormal> Smeef: I haven't but my wifi works great on the zero.... what OS you have on the zero?
[2:41] <ShorTie> that is like the 'input' side
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[2:42] <Smeef> exonormal, raspbian, I have a linksys dongle that works fine, but I'd like this wifi/bluetooth one to work so I can have three free USB ports on my hub
[2:43] <exonormal> ok, is the wifi on that dongle working?
[2:43] <Smeef> yep, tried it on my PC and tablets
[2:43] <exonormal> did you try just the wifi part of it?
[2:44] <exonormal> on the zero?
[2:44] <Smeef> it's not being recognized on the zero
[2:44] <exonormal> ok... hmmm...
[2:44] <stormpp> Berg ok thks
[2:44] <Berg> http://pastebin.com/qyigBp9P stormpp
[2:45] <Berg> thats my python relay program
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[2:45] <Berg> if you want to send the state of the variable to php i dont know how
[2:45] <pksato> why don't do all on php or phyton?
[2:46] <Berg> line 17 turns of the desktop so best delete that
[2:46] <Berg> i use bottle for my server and web stuff just pass a dictionary to the web pages from python script
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[2:48] <exonormal> ok, Smeef, try this, update the zero with a dongle that works, then put in the one you want and reboot it.
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[2:49] <Smeef> exonormal, I'm doing that right now, lol
[2:50] <exonormal> ok good
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[2:56] <stormpp> Berg, Thks a lot for the help
[2:56] <Berg> welcome
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[2:58] <ak5> hey can I dd the new noobs image to the sd card from the raspberry pi?
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[2:58] <ak5> I have booted raspian running atm
[3:00] <exonormal> if Noobs is on the Pi's SD card, yes
[3:01] <ak5> exonormal: hm unsure
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[3:02] <exonormal> better if you do it on a laptop...
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[3:10] <ak5> okk
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[4:06] <Smeef> Need some help, trying to compile this for raspbian and it's not working, this is my first time compiling anything https://github.com/lwfinger/rtl8723bu
[4:07] <Smeef> by "not working" I mean I'm getting an error message /lib/modules/4.4.11+/build: No such file or directory
[4:09] <Smeef> They're drivers for the combo wifi/bluetooth dongle I linked a while back
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[4:20] <exonormal> oh boy, you're getting deep... beyond me, Smeef
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[4:24] <pyroxide> Smeef it appears that a dependency is not satisfied, or the script has an error
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[4:25] <Smeef> pyroxide, I'm leaning toward the dependency predicament, I just have no idea how where to start finding out which one
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[4:30] <pyroxide> i finished my first case prototype for the odroid xu4, but i'm not sure if i want to try to include a 70mm fan or a power source as i have quite a bit of unused room inside
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[4:35] <pyroxide> http://i.imgur.com/Iz0pX7H.jpg made to look like my desktop computer case (BitFenix Prodigy M)
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[4:37] <Smeef> That's awesome, I was gonna get one of those bitfenix prodigy cases but ended up with an evga hadron instead
[4:39] <Zardoz> pyroxide: nice 32GB evo you have there. :P
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[4:40] <pyroxide> i have like 6 or 7 micro SDs
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[4:40] <pyroxide> using a PNY 64GB UHS-1
[4:40] <pyroxide> er
[4:40] <pyroxide> Silicon Power,
[4:40] <Zardoz> I am sorry you use PNY.
[4:40] <giddles> hey experts its me the fool
[4:40] <pyroxide> the PNY one i was using was really slow
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[4:41] <Zardoz> you fool
[4:41] <giddles> i have problems on retropie
[4:41] <giddles> video is "green"
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[4:41] <Zardoz> check HDMI setting in config.txt
[4:41] <Zardoz> I think you have to boost the output
[4:42] <Zardoz> ot somthing like that
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[4:42] <giddles> https://github.com/RetroPie/RetroPie-Setup/wiki/Video-Issues
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[4:42] <giddles> already done
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[4:43] <giddles> can i fire the sd which is running on a 2 in a 3?
[4:44] <giddles> second question
[4:44] <pyroxide> nope. different acrch
[4:44] <pyroxide> architectures
[4:44] <Zardoz> does it only happen on the retro pi load?
[4:44] <giddles> let me search a rope..
[4:44] <giddles> only on one game
[4:44] <giddles> also the "letters" look kinda ugly
[4:45] <Zardoz> oh, must be the game or somthing
[4:45] <giddles> hmm
[4:45] <Zardoz> setting for the game
[4:45] <giddles> porsche challenge for psx
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[4:46] <Zardoz> pyroxide: how long it take to print that?
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[4:46] <giddles> i ordered 2 wired controllers for 60eur, now i feel sad ;D
[4:46] <giddles> damn
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[4:47] <giddles> did retropie work with the logitech f310?
[4:47] <pyroxide> Zardoz, about a day total, but i printed it in parts, glued together.
[4:47] <giddles> my last question
[4:48] <Zardoz> pyroxide: I see. that looks neat I wish I had a 3d printer
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[4:49] <ozzzy> I thought about buying a 3d printer... then looked over at the lathe, mill, bandsaw, grinders etc. and said 'screw it'
[4:49] <pyroxide> i want to print it over again with a different filament, the translucent green didn't work so well in front with the black behind it
[4:50] <Zardoz> ozzzy: yeah there is a lot of "extras" you need to do it right.
[4:50] <ozzzy> I can machine a case out of a block of Delrin quicker than a printer could turn something out
[4:51] <Zardoz> I can order online faster :P
[4:51] <pyroxide> hue
[4:51] <ozzzy> Zardoz, exactly
[4:51] <exonormal> and it would be better than what the 3d printer would do...
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[4:52] <ozzzy> a lot to be said for injection molding
[4:52] <Zardoz> most of them anyways
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[4:53] <Zardoz> 3d printers have there place for sure though.
[4:53] <Zardoz> I still would not mind having one
[4:53] <pyroxide> i bought an entry-level prnter from monoprice for 349 dollars. it's not enclosed, so it's a bit harder to find the correct temperatures for the extruder and bed
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[4:54] <pyroxide> really it's a very reasonable price considering many are over $1000
[4:55] <ozzzy> that's not bad
[4:55] <Zardoz> yup
[4:55] <ozzzy> my buddy has a 6-axis CNC mill.... it's freakin' awesome to watch
[4:55] <pyroxide> ooooooooooooo
[4:55] <Zardoz> ozzzy: oh, I bet that is cool
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[4:57] <ozzzy> we sat there drinking beer one day watching it machine a turbine out of aluminum.... didn't need the turbine and the block of metal cost money... but it was worth it watching the machine
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[5:01] <pyroxide> my case is about 4 x 3 x 4.25 inches, so i can probably fit http://amzn.com/B0190N6E2A inside
[5:01] <Zardoz> cheap entertainment.
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[5:03] <Zardoz> ozzzy: you watch press tube or hydraulic press on you tube?
[5:04] <ozzzy> nope
[5:04] <Zardoz> I cant get enough of that :P
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[5:05] <Zardoz> ok, well I got pi-hole fully setup on my network.
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[5:08] <sKyZ> Zardoz - How is it? I've been considering using it.
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[5:09] <Zardoz> I am liking it, and runs well even on a pi1 b
[5:10] <sKyZ> Hrm.. Maybe I'll try it later
[5:10] <Zardoz> setup is very ez btw
[5:10] <Zardoz> and you can install jessie lite
[5:10] <Zardoz> no need for the full
[5:11] <Zardoz> I will most like donate some for it.
[5:12] <Zardoz> I put the pi-hole next to my router.
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[5:16] <ozzzy> I just pushed a fish sandwich down my pi hole
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[5:17] <Zardoz> ozzzy: lol
[5:17] <binaryhermit> Zardoz: shut your pi-hole</not_really>
[5:17] * Zardoz crys
[5:17] * binaryhermit wants to make it clear he was kidding
[5:17] <pyroxide> about to spew from my pi-hole because fish sandwich sounds gross
[5:17] <Zardoz> py better then fish taco
[5:18] <ozzzy> oh... hard to beat a nice bit of haddock on sour-dough bread with coleslaw dressing and cheese
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[5:18] <Zardoz> ozzzy: that sounds wonderful.
[5:18] <ozzzy> it is
[5:18] <ozzzy> I'd have put some lettuce on but didn't have any
[5:18] <Zardoz> chips too?
[5:18] <pyroxide> i never liked seafood
[5:18] <ozzzy> neither onion
[5:19] <ozzzy> nope... no chips available
[5:19] <ozzzy> but good idea
[5:19] <Zardoz> :(
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[5:19] <pyroxide> it's the texture and consistency
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[5:20] <Zardoz> pyroxide: somethings are like that to me as well
[5:20] <Zardoz> pyroxide: jello I cant eat.
[5:20] <Zardoz> pyroxide: I just start gaging
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[5:21] <pyroxide> jello is the one thiong i could eat when i'm sick
[5:21] <Zardoz> fish eggs, completely out.
[5:23] <pyroxide> no thanks, i'll stick to my bown of ramen
[5:23] <pyroxide> bowl*
[5:23] <Zardoz> heh
[5:24] <Zardoz> oh speaking of ramen, that sounds kind of good
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[5:27] <ozzzy> oh yeah
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[5:27] * ozzzy likes to make tapioca pudding
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[5:30] <Zardoz> pi-hole output. http://imgur.com/ImaTymu
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[6:36] <Psykus> anyone know if the rpi2 can do 240p over composite?
[6:38] <Chillum> it can do composite
[6:39] <Chillum> not sure about 240p
[6:39] <Chillum> is that the standard for composite?
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[6:39] <Psykus> typically 480i for composite. 240p is good for retro games
[6:42] <Chillum> I see
[6:42] <Chillum> I don't know. But someone else may
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[7:35] <Psykus> found this thread. it might be a firmware limitation https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=78&t=104174
[7:35] <Psykus> but can't find anything that is a definite yes/no
[7:36] <Psykus> if you set the framebuffer resolutions lower in the config apparently it's scaled up to 480i anyways
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[7:38] <Psykus> wonder if using some sort of hdmi to composite adapter would work, since you can set the hdmi out to be 240p on the pi
[7:39] <Nerdmind> Morning. Does anyone know when it will be possible to install PHP 7 over the Raspberry Pi (2) Default Repositories (sudo apt install php7.0)?
[7:42] <Nerdmind> (Distribution is Raspbian)
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[7:53] <Psykus> i'm assuming most hdmi to composite adapters are just going to scale the output back up to 480i again
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[7:57] <oq> Nerdmind: there is a way to use the stretch repos (which have php7.0) only for certain packages, this tutorial mentions how, https://getgrav.org/blog/raspberrypi-nginx-php7-dev
[7:58] <oq> and so when installing php7.0 or whatever you just need to add "-t stretch" as an apt-get parameter
[8:01] <oq> of course if you really want to stick to the stable repos you could just compile it yourself
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[8:57] <Nerdmind> oq: Wow, thank you! It works fine!
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[8:59] <up2late> pfft
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[9:15] <faugusztin> Nerdmind: or just compile it yourself
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[9:26] <Nerdmind> faugusztin: I don't want to compile it. It works now!
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[9:31] <nielsNL> Good morning from the Netherlands ;) I'm reinstalling my pi2 with Nodejs 4.4.5 and i have an issue. Some package needs a password for the user "nobody" does anyone knows what it should be?
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[9:33] <shauno> hm, that sounds broken. nobody shouldn't have a password
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[9:36] <nielsNL> i was think of that as well? but why is sudo ask for it then?
[9:37] <shauno> you sure it's not askign for your own password? what command is it trying to run?
[9:38] <nielsNL> tried it but that one is rejected
[9:38] <shauno> I mean, you can verify this yourself. look in /etc/shadow - any entry that has a huge crypt in the second field has a password. any entry with only a * in the second field, has no password
[9:39] <nielsNL> kk let me check
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[9:41] <nielsNL> that file is empty, is that normal?
[9:41] <mlelstv> that file is unreadable by anyone but root
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[9:43] <nielsNL> check. and nobody has a *
[9:43] <shauno> normally if something needs to run as nobody, it'd be launched by root, and whatever wrapper root is launching would su to nobody
[9:44] <shauno> so a password would never been needed
[9:45] <nielsNL> can it be that the package is build for the old version of rasbian? The package is used to control like i2c etc. and to that before you needed root access in the past. now it does not need that anymore
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[9:57] <mfa298> could it be that the application is running as nobody (common for daemon serives) and that it needs to sudo to do some tasks.
[9:58] <mfa298> if that's the case you need to add sudo entries to match what the application is trying to do
[9:59] <mfa298> in that case you should probably also change the user the application runs as.
[10:02] <nielsNL> ^ i get the question while installing the package with npm
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[11:06] <yene> for my 433 reciever i made a voltage devider with 3 10k ohm, but the range is abysmal, could it be because of the devider?
[11:06] <yene> *divider
[11:07] <ShorTie> could be, but what kind of antenea do you have
[11:08] <yene> i tried multiple selfmade and commercial, no success
[11:09] <mfa298> yene: it might help if you gave more detail (and/or diagram) of your setup.
[11:10] <mfa298> and possibly what guide you're following
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[11:12] <yene> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/922585/Photo%2027-03-16%2019%2050%2028.jpg
[11:14] <mfa298> I don't see any obvious antennas on there, that will likely reduce the range
[11:15] <gordonDrogon> Aaa, Sunday.
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[11:24] <oq> yene: what's with the different gpio header on the pi?
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[11:30] <ShorTie> i twas wondering that too .. :/~
[11:32] <yene> the thing on the pins? thats just an end of a IDE cable because I had nothing else
[11:34] <gordonDrogon> oq, what header? there are 3 variants ...
[11:34] <gordonDrogon> oq, run gpio readall to get a printout of the header on the Pi you're running on.
[11:36] <ShorTie> oh, so it's like a male-to-male connector
[11:36] <oq> gordonDrogon: the grey one with slits instead of https://www.electronic-shop.lu/json/getCachedPicture.php?img=/media/catalog/product/1/6/1658-03.jpg
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[11:37] <gordonDrogon> that's a gpio extended by the looks of it - not sure what you mean by slits - are you thinking of a camera/display connector?
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[11:37] <oq> wot
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[11:42] <gordonDrogon> not sure what you mean here. The Pi has a 26-pin or a 40 pin GPIO connector. some Pi's have an extra 8-pin connector.
[11:42] <gordonDrogon> not seen any with slits - they're pins.
[11:43] <oq> gordonDrogon: are we looking at the same image of yene's?
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[11:44] <ShorTie> he said he diesected a old ide cable to get the grey thing so he could plug male dupot cables in
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[11:49] <gordonDrogon> Ah, I wasn't, but am now.
[11:49] <gordonDrogon> Right - looks like that's what it is - an old IDE header with the cable removed.
[11:50] <gordonDrogon> I simply use female to make jumpers for that sort of thing.
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[12:03] <Kromag> hi gordonDrogon
[12:04] <Kromag> I had worked that situation, you tried to help me on yesterday, out.
[12:04] <gordonDrogon> hi. the disk thing?
[12:04] <Kromag> wleslk helped me
[12:04] <Kromag> yeah the PiDrive
[12:04] <Kromag> I forget how to spell his name
[12:05] <Kromag> mlelstv
[12:05] <Kromag> that's it
[12:05] <gordonDrogon> ok. glad its going now. mornings are always tricky for me as I am running my little bakery..
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[12:06] <Kromag> oh that's pretty cool.
[12:06] <Kromag> I love bread
[12:06] <gordonDrogon> pretty hot most mornings :)
[12:06] <Kromag> with those dipping sauces//oils
[12:06] <Kromag> My Pepe was a French Chef
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[12:06] <Kromag> Where is the Bakery located
[12:06] <gordonDrogon> I'm just an accidental baker ..
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[12:07] <Kromag> We have so many in Florida like Tampa, area, especially.
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[12:08] <Kromag> If you commute in the morning you get the chance to view them and smell all the things being baked... I love it
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[13:03] <Algram> Hello, has anyone else here controlled ws2801 leds with a raspberry pi yet?
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[13:04] <Habbie> Algram, i bet people have, better to ask your actual question
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[13:04] <Algram> Okey. I have spi enabled on my rapsberry pi zero, but if I want to control my leds it just doesnt work for some reason. I've tried python, c and node scripts, nothing works.
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[14:02] <Zardoz> .
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[14:37] <Algram> I have spi enabled on my raspberry pi zero, but if I want to control my WS2801 LED Strip it just doesnt work for some reason. I've tried python, c and node scripts, nothing works.
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[14:43] <Habbie> Algram, do you have a guide you're following? how are things failing? can you show your code?
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[14:47] <Algram> Habbie: basically this: http://andypi.co.uk/2014/12/27/raspberry-pi-controlled-ws2801-rgb-leds/ Although as I said, I've tried nodejs and c too
[14:48] <Habbie> you have it wired up correctly?
[14:49] <Algram> I have it wired the same way as the guide shows. The leds also light up for a short time when I give them power
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[14:49] <Habbie> so what's failing?
[14:50] <Algram> Habbie: if I try to run software that hsould for examples et the leds to a specific color, nothing happens
[14:50] <Habbie> no error either?
[14:50] <Algram> nope
[14:50] <mfa298> Algram: what do you see from ls /dev/spidev*
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[14:51] <Algram> mfa298: spidev0.0 and spidev0.1
[14:51] <Habbie> did you wire according to the words or the picture?
[14:52] <mfa298> that sound suggest spi is enabled properly then
[14:52] <Algram> Habbie: both. first the picture, then the words. I am only having 6 leds on my strip so powering them directly from the pi should also work
[14:52] <Habbie> indeed
[14:52] <mfa298> is it the latest raspbian ?
[14:52] <Algram> yep
[14:53] <Algram> with all updated and everything
[14:53] <Habbie> want to show a picture of your wiring?
[14:53] <mfa298> I'm half wondering if there's somethign broken in the latest raspbian with spi. someone else was in here with SPI issues last night
[14:53] <Algram> sure, one sec. although it will be pretty confusign since I had to mix colors
[14:53] <Algram> mfa298: that was me too :)
[14:54] <mfa298> ah.
[14:55] <Algram> Habbie: here:
[14:55] <Algram> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17885899/Media/pi_leds/1.jpg
[14:55] <Algram> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17885899/Media/pi_leds/2.jpg
[14:55] <Algram> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17885899/Media/pi_leds/3.jpg
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[14:56] <Algram> remember, the colors on the connector are messed up (blue goes to red and so on)
[14:57] <Habbie> let's see, 5V comes out yellow, becomes green, becomes black, goes to 5v, good
[14:57] <Habbie> gnd comes out bloack, becomes red, becomes blue, goes to gnd, good
[14:59] <Habbie> mosi comes out yellow, becomes black, becomes red, goes to si, good
[15:00] <Habbie> sclk comes out yellow, becomes blue, becomes green, goes to ck, good
[15:00] <Algram> so everything should be fine right? I am kinda reliefed. Would have been embarrassing messing that up :D
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[15:00] <Habbie> i'm pretty sure the wiring is right
[15:00] <Algram> Habbie: another weird thing I've noticed: If I touch the end of the last led this happens: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17885899/Media/pi_leds/2016-06-05%2012.59.16.mp4
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[15:01] <Habbie> is that the rainbow the script promised?
[15:01] <Algram> no
[15:01] <Algram> it is just interchanging colors no matter if I have software running or not
[15:01] <Habbie> don't you need to terminate the strip in some way?
[15:01] <Algram> terminate?
[15:02] <Algram> like close it off?
[15:02] <Algram> no, you dont need to do that
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[15:02] <Habbie> ok
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[15:04] <Habbie> confirmed from docs
[15:05] <Habbie> i'm out of ideas
[15:05] <Habbie> i'm also not speaking from experience here
[15:05] <Algram> yeah me too. A friend of mine has the exact same setup but with a rpi2 and it is working
[15:05] <Habbie> does the weird thing you filmed also happen when you disconnect the data pins to the pi?
[15:06] <Algram> Habbie: yes
[15:06] <Habbie> does your friend have that too? :)
[15:06] <Algram> I don't know, hes not availiable right now. I've tried a different strip though already
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[15:10] <Habbie> Algram, same effect?
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[15:18] <stormpp> I have RPi Model B+ -- I want to use it as a server to control via a webinterface some Relay action On, Off etc. Can you please help what are the correct steps in order to get it up and Running: 1) Install SSH, FPT 2) Install Apache, PHP and MySql 3)Install PhpMyAdmin - A) Did I miss something in this list? B) Will it run all this software ok without disabling the UI of Raspbian ?
[15:20] <Habbie> why do you need phpmyadmin to control a relay?
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[15:31] <mlelstv> when he needs php and mysql then he also needs phpmyadmin
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[15:33] <mfa298> hmmm, I must be doing something wrong then. I don't *need* phpmyadmin when I install php and mysql
[15:33] <Habbie> well i use mysql a lot but i don't use mysqladmin, but i see how it's convenient
[15:33] <Habbie> but the next question would be why s/he needs mysql
[15:33] <Habbie> or php :)
[15:34] <stormpp> Habbie, Yes I need Phpmyadmin because I need to store data, therefore I need MySQL and PHP (because the website is in php)
[15:34] <Habbie> ok
[15:34] <Ascavasaion> Hello there. I have run XBMC in my older Pi and it tends to hiccup when jumping between different options. Is there a simpler more lightweight one? Possibly OSMC, OpenELEC? Would like the XBMC feel with film info lookups, creation of libraries, etc, with a lighter system load.
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[15:35] <Algram> Habbie: same effect
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[15:35] <Habbie> Algram, both strips same effect?
[15:35] <Habbie> Algram, then that does not sound as if your one strip is broken
[15:35] <stormpp> Habbie, so am I doing everything correct in the steps above or I am missing something
[15:35] <mfa298> stormpp: you might find it easier to deal with gpio from python (or ruby)
[15:35] <Algram> yeah
[15:35] <Habbie> stormpp, i don't know what FPT is but otherwise it sounds good
[15:36] <stormpp> mfa298, I do use python code for gpio but I run the script from PHP (the webinterface)
[15:36] <stormpp> Habbie, nice one - FTP ok thks
[15:36] <mfa298> stormpp: you can also do web interfaces from python.
[15:37] <Habbie> stormpp, you probably don't need FTP
[15:37] <stormpp> does anyone know what type of firewall Raspbian uses ?
[15:37] <Habbie> stormpp, and SSH is already installed
[15:37] <Habbie> by default there is no firewall
[15:37] <mfa298> Personally I'd stay away from FTP and phpmyadmin as both can provide huge security holes
[15:37] <Habbie> i hear ufw is nice and easy
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[15:38] <stormpp> mfa298, at the moment I don't care about security just getting up and running
[15:38] <stormpp> PhpMyAdmin would be for me to see what is happing in the database on the Raspbian if it loaded with correct data otherwise I don't need it
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[15:39] <stormpp> Habbie, thks actually I don't need at the moment the headache of firewalls, so if there is non is awesome :) and yes ufw is cool :)
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[16:02] <stormpp> Habbie oh yes I need FTP for file transfer remotely :)the website files and other py scrips :)
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[16:09] <Ascavasaion> Hello there. I have run XBMC in my older Pi and it tends to hiccup when jumping between different options. Is there a simpler more lightweight one? Possibly OSMC, OpenELEC? Would like the XBMC feel with film info lookups, creation of libraries, etc, with a lighter system load.
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[16:22] <MuNk`> Ascavasaion, OpenElEC is effectively XBMX
[16:22] <MuNk`> XBMC*
[16:26] <Chillum> openelec is what I use and it works great, and pretty much the same as XBMC that I was running before
[16:26] <Chillum> on a 1 core pi the menus are slow but the video is fine
[16:26] <Chillum> and a pi 2 everything is just fine
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[16:29] <mfa298> stormpp: scp / sftp are generally better for transfring files and are installed and running by default (part of ssh)
[16:29] <Habbie> stormpp, just use sftp or ssh or rsync
[16:30] <mfa298> and for website scripts and stuff git is worth learning about
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[16:31] <stormpp> mfa298, Habbie well I use vsftpd and filezilla I use as windows client
[16:31] <Habbie> filezilla can use sftp
[16:31] <Habbie> so if you just don't install vsftpd
[16:31] <Habbie> you can still connect
[16:31] <Habbie> and it'll be more secure
[16:31] <stormpp> well for now I don't need git :)
[16:31] <mfa298> you can use winscp for scp/sftp as well
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[16:32] <stormpp> ok thks :)
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[16:33] <mfa298> learning to use git when writing scripts is a good habit to get into. makes it much easier when you want to check a previous version
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[16:34] <GRiZL0C> ascavasaion: you can also try libreelec
[16:34] <GRiZL0C> hows it all gon
[16:34] <GRiZL0C> goin*
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[16:34] <GRiZL0C> fellaz?
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[16:52] <atracht> does anyone know how in raspbian lite how to keep the display from going to sleep?
[16:53] <mfa298> atracht: in text mode there's a couple of lines in /etc/kbd/config
[16:54] <mfa298> POWERDOWN_TIME=0 and BLANK_TIME=0 should do it
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[16:54] <TheCubeLord> Hey
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[16:55] <atracht> mfa298 thanks you're awesome!
[16:55] <TheCubeLord> How do you install sublime text 2
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[16:56] <mfa298> atracht: I think that still works in Jessie (I've only tested properly on wheezy)
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[16:57] <TheCubeLord> does anyone know how to install nodejs v. 4.2.6?
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[16:57] <Chillum> have you tried this https://nodejs.org/en/download/package-manager/ ?
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[16:58] <TheCubeLord> via command line
[16:58] <Chillum> raspbian is a debian based distribution, it might work
[16:58] <Chillum> ya, command line... the only way for a self respecting hacker
[16:58] <ruurd> Yeah right
[17:00] <TheCubeLord> still does anyone know?
[17:00] <Habbie> sublime text? probably a download from the website
[17:00] <TheCubeLord> no its i3
[17:01] <TheCubeLord> something
[17:01] <TheCubeLord> something
[17:01] <Habbie> what
[17:01] <TheCubeLord> its not ARM
[17:01] <Habbie> oh i386
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[17:01] <Habbie> right
[17:01] <Habbie> think you're out of luck
[17:01] <Habbie> maybe drop the guy an email
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[17:02] <TheCubeLord> Chillum: Well it works
[17:02] <TheCubeLord> so
[17:02] <TheCubeLord> ya
[17:02] <Chillum> good
[17:02] -TheCubeLord- Doin this for the lolz
[17:02] <Chillum> nice when things work
[17:03] -TheCubeLord- Doin this for the lolz
[17:03] <Chillum> ...
[17:03] <TheCubeLord> what
[17:03] * Chillum waits for the lolz
[17:03] * TheCubeLord stares at Chillum
[17:03] <TheCubeLord> wtf
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[17:04] <TheCubeLord> now i will drink bleach
[17:04] * TheCubeLord drinks bleach
[17:04] * TheCubeLord slowly dies
[17:04] <TheCubeLord> help...
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[17:04] * Chillum offers cube more bleach
[17:04] <TheCubeLord> :D
[17:05] * TheCubeLord smiles back to Chillum
[17:05] <TheCubeLord> thanks man
[17:05] <TheCubeLord> D: ... X(
[17:05] <TheCubeLord> XD
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[17:14] <kjar> Hi all, I have a Raspberry Pi 2 model B v1.1 and an Arduino DUE and I'd like to establish a communication channel (serial I'm thinking, but open to other options) can anyone give advice on this topic?
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[17:14] <Chillum> kjar: you will need to drop the DUE's 5v serial output down to 3.3
[17:15] <dreamcat4> maybe you can communicate over usb serial ?
[17:15] <Chillum> V
[17:15] <Chillum> or usb serial, that will work
[17:15] <kjar> Chillum: it's my understanding that the DUE is at 3.3 for the most part
[17:15] <Chillum> ohh
[17:15] <Chillum> well in that case you should be able to directly connect the serial pins to each other
[17:15] <kjar> https://www.arduino.cc/en/Guide/ArduinoDue
[17:15] <Chillum> never used the due
[17:15] <kjar> that's what I was hoping, but I'm very new to electronics and am therefore quite cautious
[17:16] <Chillum> good plan
[17:16] <Chillum> especially if you don't have a lot of spare parts
[17:16] <kjar> overall goal is to use the Pi as a 'brain' and the due to control some stepper controllers
[17:17] <kjar> via stepstick boards that it controls
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[17:17] <kjar> regarding power - for development these boards will be running off a USB hub, later off a battery, do I need to worry about shared ground?
[17:18] <Chillum> sounds like a plan
[17:18] <Chillum> they will need a common ground for reliable communication
[17:18] <kjar> does the USB hub / battery act as that? it seems so
[17:18] <Chillum> well they both have a ground if that is what you mean
[17:19] <dreamcat4> heh. an arduino clone i was very impressed with - the teensy++ 2.0
[17:19] <dreamcat4> really nice
[17:19] <Chillum> the teensy is an ARM chip right?
[17:19] <dreamcat4> yeah
[17:19] <Chillum> very nice
[17:19] <Chillum> if you switch to batteries you will have to take into account that batteries change voltage over their discharging, and the pi does not like changing votlages
[17:20] <Chillum> so you will need a power converter
[17:20] <Chillum> dreamcat4: I use a teensy to control my ws2812 addressable led led strips
[17:20] <Chillum> it can use a DMA/PWM trick to get full speed on 8 channels with only 3% cpu usage
[17:20] <dreamcat4> i put one into my PS3 to flash it with cfw
[17:21] <Chillum> what is cfw?
[17:21] <dreamcat4> modified firmware
[17:21] <Chillum> I see. Neat
[17:21] <Chillum> hacking consoles is good times
[17:21] <dreamcat4> its just a nand flasher
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[17:21] <dreamcat4> (and reader)
[17:21] <kjar> Chillum: I have a so-called 'Power Bank' 10 amp hour batter with USB output connectors - I wonder if it has said power converter built in?
[17:21] <Chillum> that makes sense
[17:21] <Chillum> kjar: yes it does
[17:21] <dreamcat4> too bad the ps3 has well had its day now
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[17:22] <dreamcat4> no point to it anymore
[17:22] <Chillum> it will work just like any other usb power source
[17:22] <Chillum> dreamcat4: indeed, and the next gen is an incremental improvement at best
[17:22] <kjar> Chillum: ok that matches my positive experience so far running the pi off it... when it comes to the motors that's going to be another story I think
[17:22] <Chillum> I am skipping this generation and waiting for the next
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[17:22] <dreamcat4> i've bought a PC now (skylake i5)
[17:23] <dreamcat4> so thats hooked up to the tv instead, for steam kodi etc
[17:23] <Chillum> kjar: any usb port will be limited in amps. 2-2.5 amps is about the most you can expect from a usb port
[17:23] <Chillum> if you are pulling larger amounts of current then you may need to use something beefier
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[17:24] <Chillum> you can run some motors off of that much current, but you may have to make decisions like not running them all at once and such
[17:24] <kjar> I plan to try to isolate the motor power
[17:24] <Chillum> also make sure you are connecting your motors to the power supply and not drawing their power through the pi or arduino
[17:24] <Chillum> I see
[17:24] <Rickta59> isn't the due on the way out?
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[17:25] <Rickta59> or are you using a china clone?
[17:25] <kjar> it's a clone. also I have no idea, I just picked one up :)
[17:25] <Chillum> I have always just used $2 nanos
[17:25] <Chillum> or a "pro mini 3.3V" if I need lower voltage
[17:25] <Chillum> or even just an atmega328 chip
[17:26] <Chillum> not familiar with the MCU on the due
[17:26] <Rickta59> cortex-m3
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[17:26] <Rickta59> 84MHz .. lots of ram (for an mcu) and flash
[17:26] <kjar> it's a bigger machine, undoubtedly overkill for my needs
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[17:27] <Chillum> I see, the 328's bigger brother
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[17:27] <Habbie> esp8266 is fun too
[17:27] <Chillum> oh ya
[17:27] <Chillum> for sure
[17:28] <Habbie> i haven't found reason to look around for anything else really
[17:28] <Chillum> nothing like pairing an MCU up with a cloud server
[17:28] <Habbie> my 8266 has never talked to the internet
[17:28] <Habbie> there's no need
[17:28] <Habbie> or were you not being sarcastic?
[17:29] <Chillum> being serious. One of the tasks I use them for is cloud monitoring. When I need a physical action taken when a cloud database reaches a certain state
[17:29] <Chillum> even if it just turning on an LED
[17:29] <Chillum> great when a computer is overkill but you still need some logic and communications
[17:29] <Habbie> right
[17:29] <Habbie> then yes :)
[17:30] <Chillum> it is also handy for providing a web interface to your projects
[17:30] <Chillum> cheaper than a screen and buttons
[17:30] <Chillum> everyone has a phone
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[17:30] <Habbie> ye
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[17:33] <Rickta59> kjar: https://groups.google.com/a/arduino.cc/forum/m/#!topic/developers/HEKecd0qhS4
[17:34] <Chillum> those tiny crappy chargers that come with e-cigs are great for powering 5V mcus like arduinos and esp8266s from mains
[17:34] <Chillum> they get even smaller with the case removed and replaced with heat shrink
[17:34] <Chillum> for when you want logic inside something power of AC
[17:34] <Chillum> powered off of AC
[17:35] <kjar> Rickta59: I see - I think that was reflected in the pricing on Amazon - the Genuino bits were like 2x the cost
[17:36] <Rickta59> i've seen them on ebay or aliexpress for like $10
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[17:36] <kjar> in any case, I'm not married to the board, just a learning tool
[17:36] <Rickta59> what kind of motor control do you plan to do?
[17:36] <Chillum> kjar: try to keep your code size within the capacity of a simpler MCU if you are planning to do more than a one off
[17:36] <Chillum> that way you can use something cheaper if you make more
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[17:37] <kjar> chillum: yea I don't expect the code there to get too elaborate
[17:37] <Chillum> yup, just middleware
[17:37] <kjar> Rickta59: right now I have the DUE (clone) controlling a StepStick board that's controlling a stepper
[17:38] <Rickta59> mutliple ones? or just one?
[17:38] <kjar> goal is to get the PI to comm. with the DUE to give it commands to pass along
[17:38] <kjar> right now just one, but it'll be three in the short term
[17:38] <Rickta59> gcode driven?
[17:38] <kjar> the motor has it's own power supply
[17:38] <kjar> no it's more like - set this pin high for some time and the stepstick takes that as 'take a step', set another pin high or low to control direction
[17:39] <kjar> there are microstepping controls as well, but I'm ignoring those for now
[17:39] <Rickta59> why wouldn't you use something like grbl and just feed it gcode from the rpi
[17:39] <kjar> Rickta59: perhaps no reason other than ignorance?
[17:39] <Rickta59> people have already written that and worked out decent acceleration etc
[17:40] <Rickta59> the you just feed gcode from the rpi down a usb serial link and it just works
[17:40] <kjar> while I'm not super knowledgable about G-Code, it seems like it could be overkill for my needs
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[17:40] <Rickta59> could be ... might not be .. i think you assume stepping is simple ;)
[17:41] <kjar> I don't really, but throwing extra layers in the mix I think might not aid my attainment of fundamentals
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[17:41] <Rickta59> the gcode stuff is already qa 'ed for you
[17:41] <Rickta59> and there are many ways to gen it
[17:42] <Chillum> using a library can rob you of a low level learnign experience
[17:42] <Rickta59> why don't you just step from the rpi?
[17:42] <kjar> Rickta59: I was actually at the start with a "hat" for motor control from Adafruit
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[17:42] <kjar> it was ... not super.
[17:42] <Rickta59> in what way?
[17:43] <kjar> I think that hat is better suited to control of straight up DC motors
[17:43] <kjar> less so for steppers
[17:43] <Rickta59> ah the hat wasn't super
[17:43] <Rickta59> have you looked into how 3d printers do their thing?
[17:43] <Chillum> once I saw how steppers worked inside I suddenly understood how to code for them
[17:43] <kjar> yea so that's the stepstick angle - it's from the reprap community
[17:43] <Chillum> just magnets
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[17:44] <kjar> it takes care of all the sequencing
[17:44] <Rickta59> right
[17:44] <Chillum> the sequencing is the fun part
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[17:44] <Chillum> /IGNORE Yuri4_ ALL
[17:44] <kjar> Chillum: it's neat for sure, but for me, and for context, the overall plan is the fun part
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[17:45] <Rickta59> so what is the end goal of the 3 steppers?
[17:45] <kjar> PS4 controller talking bluetooth to the Pi, talking (my custom protocol over serial) to the DUE, talking to the stepsticks talking to the motors
[17:45] <Chillum> sounds like a plan
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[17:45] <Chillum> servos are also fun. Unlike a stepper motor they have a concept of position
[17:46] <Chillum> so instead of saying +10 steps, you can say go to position 45 degrees
[17:46] <kjar> Chillum: next step after all that is adding encoders for the motors
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[17:46] <Chillum> servos have a built in controller that only needs a pwm singal
[17:46] <kjar> so I know if a step happened or not
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[17:46] <kjar> I am familiar, and yea they're nice like that
[17:46] <Chillum> yes a rotary encoder is great for keeping track of relative position
[17:47] <Rickta59> so what are your steppers going to do kjar ?
[17:47] <Chillum> if you have a heavy resistance on the stepper you can miss steps
[17:47] <Chillum> the encoder will catch that
[17:48] <Rickta59> last week someone posted this closed loop stepper project http://hackaday.com/2016/06/01/mechaduino-closed-loop-stepper-servos-for-everyone/
[17:49] <kjar> Rickta59 right - it's for a holonomic robot platform, you've probably seen them where you mount three omni-wheels in a circle
[17:49] <Rickta59> he is using an arm m0+ * the arduino zero
[17:49] <Chillum> neat
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[17:49] <Rickta59> nice
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[17:52] <Rickta59> i think picking an arm cortex will make your life easier .. you can use the rpi as a debugger using openocd
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[17:53] <Rickta59> http://www.stm32duino.com/viewtopic.php?t=940
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[17:54] <kjar> Rickta59: neat - yea I have an old Arduino MEGA2560, but the voltage thing, plus wanting a more powerful board to play with made me spring for the DUE (clone)
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[17:55] <Rickta59> the only advantage to using an atmega would be if you planned to using some existing 3d print / grbl software as those are its main platform
[17:55] <Rickta59> if you are going to write your own stuff then it doesn't much matter
[17:56] <kjar> I have a strong software background, so if there's any place I can write my own stuff I will :)
[17:56] <kjar> it's the electronics bits that are new and scary heh
[17:57] <Rickta59> just buy cheap stuff then you don't feel so bad when they go up in smoke
[17:57] <Rickta59> and always buy 2 : )
[17:58] <kjar> good advice
[17:58] <Rickta59> if you want to minimize damage to the rpi .. talk to the board using the usb cable and /dev/ttyACM0
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[18:04] <kjar> Rickta59: could you elaborate on that? it seems I could connect the DUE as a USB client to the Pi
[18:04] <Rickta59> sure those boards show up as a tty device on the rpi
[18:04] <Rickta59> assuming you are using the arduino ide to program it .. you just use the Serial.read() ... Serial.print() to read and write
[18:05] <Rickta59> and on the unix side just uart code
[18:05] <Rickta59> stty stuff
[18:05] <kjar> the DUE has two USB ports, I need to do a bit of research to remember which is suitable for this
[18:05] <kjar> one is 'native usb' and the other is 'programming'
[18:06] <Rickta59> one is probably the cmsis debug driver and the other cdc acm
[18:06] <kjar> that was a bit over my head, googling :)
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[18:06] <Rickta59> is your background windows or linux?
[18:06] <kjar> linux
[18:06] <Chillum> go team linux!
[18:07] <abnormal> yup me too
[18:07] <Rickta59> k .. so the board enumerate as a cdc_acm
[18:07] <Rickta59> one you talk to using normal stty stuff ..
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[18:07] <Rickta59> read write, ioctl etc
[18:07] <Rickta59> the other is meant to provide a way to upload code to the device
[18:08] <Rickta59> i think i read the due used cmsis .. but i have noide what its protocol is on the due board
[18:08] <kjar> that matches my understanding ok
[18:08] <Rickta59> so if you somehow get code on the due using the arduino ide
[18:09] <kjar> I have done that much yea, enough for basic motor control stuff
[18:09] <Rickta59> you can then have the code on the due read and write over the Serial port .. which should map to one of those /dev/ttyACM?>
[18:09] <Rickta59> this insulates your rpi from anything going on on the due
[18:09] <kjar> OK so I wonder though about power again, I don't necessarily want to draw the DUE's power over that USB connection, or should I not care?
[18:10] <Rickta59> you might get a powered hub and plug that into the rpi and then plug the due into it
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[18:10] <Rickta59> and you are going to need external power anyways for those steppers
[18:10] <Rickta59> i'm guessing the due probably won't use much more than 100mA
[18:11] <Rickta59> as the steppers are going to be connect to some other power source
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[18:11] <Rickta59> * assuming you don't have a 1000 leds connected to it
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[18:11] <Rickta59> so depending on how you power the rpi it will probably fine with a 2A 2.5A power supply
[18:12] <Rickta59> * obviously depending on what else you have plugged in ..
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[18:39] <kjar> Rickta59: OK right now I have the Pi connected to a 2.1 A powered USB hub
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[18:43] <stormpp> Can anyone help me: How can I set up The login password after installing PHPMYADMIN (it doesn't allow without from config file) or what is the path to the Config ?
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[18:45] <kjar> stormpp: I think you're asking the wrong channel
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[20:26] <Melamo> Does anyone know of any Pi cases that provide a nice interface to the GPIO pins? I'm looking to create a box where sensors, buttons, switches, etc can be easily plugged in to the case through some nice connector, such that I can hand off a box to someone else and it would be plug n play to set things up
[20:27] <ScrumpyJack> what's a good electronics kit to add the the RPi for a 10 year old?
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[20:31] <pngl> Hi! I'm trying to compile mpv on the raspberry pi, but at link time I get a bunch errors similar to this:
[20:31] <pngl> /usr/lib/gcc/arm-linux-gnueabihf/4.9/../../../arm-linux-gnueabihf/libEGL.so: undefined reference to `glxx_client_CheckFramebufferStatus'
[20:31] <pngl> I'm not sure what to do with it...
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[20:42] <h4k1m> hello everyone
[20:42] <h4k1m> I'm planning to buy a raspberry pi but I don't have a keyboard or a screen (just my laptop)
[20:43] <h4k1m> is it possible to use the laptop's keyboard and screen with the raspberry pi?
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[20:45] <stiv> h4k1m, once you have it set up, you can use remote desktop (like vnc) for access. but i *think* you need attached keyboard/screen for initial setup
[20:45] <stiv> (corrections welcome)
[20:46] <ThePendulum> not necessarily, once you got the image on the SD card you could SSH into it and set up VNC
[20:47] <h4k1m> stiv: ThePendulum thanks ^^. You're right, It's not really an issue I do have a usb keyboard and an lcd screen (at the office). maybe I need to buy an adapter for the lcd screen (directdisplay to hdmi), to plug it to the pi.
[20:47] <ThePendulum> h4k1m: I'm not sure how to do it on windows but on linux you can just dd a raspbian image onto an SD card and it'll boot right up
[20:48] <stiv> cool. /me has only used NOOBS
[20:48] <h4k1m> Ok I'll give it a try
[20:49] <ThePendulum> https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/installation/installing-images/windows.md
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[20:49] <ThePendulum> here are Windows instructions as well
[20:49] <ThePendulum> https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/installation/installing-images/linux.md
[20:49] <ThePendulum> that's for linux, looks more overwhelming than it actually is
[20:51] <ThePendulum> also do you mean displayport?
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[20:56] <ScrumpyJack> i've gone for monk's electronic kit. looks good
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[20:57] <ScrumpyJack> any advice on a book on the rapberry pi?
[20:58] <abnormal> magpi.com
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[20:58] <abnormal> hackaday.com
[20:58] <abnormal> makezine.com
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[20:59] <ScrumpyJack> i'm looking for a book
[21:00] <abnormal> barnes&noble.com
[21:00] <ScrumpyJack> well, i'm actually looking for recommendations
[21:00] <mfa298> I suspect best book / site depends on what you want to do with the Pi
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[21:00] <ScrumpyJack> teach a 10 year old
[21:00] <mfa298> although most books are probably out of date or not published yet
[21:01] <abnormal> right
[21:01] <abnormal> let me look for you...
[21:01] <mfa298> and by the time they're published they'll probably be out of date
[21:01] <ScrumpyJack> monk's book look good. updated for the rpi zero so it can't be that old
[21:01] <WardL> I have a raspi 3 and want to stream Netflix. I am fully aware that it should not be possible. Google talks about getting chrome from an ChromeOS distribution. Does anyone have experience with that?
[21:02] <ScrumpyJack> abnormal: please don't look for me. can you recommend one based on experiance?
[21:02] <mfa298> I suspect most here havn't looked at books about the Pi.
[21:03] <mfa298> My experience of finding good computing (and other technical) books is that the best can be quite personal. What I find good you might find boring / difficult to follow and vice versa.
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[21:04] <abnormal> http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/10-best-resources-for-raspberry-pi-owners/
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[21:05] <abnormal> well, I guess the Pi Geek magazine would be best outside of the one that says "Getting Started with Raspberry Pi" book....
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[21:07] <mfa298> If you want projects to learn with I suspect the magpi is probably a good resource (I've not actually read it). I believe it's magazine format so closer to book format
[21:08] <abnormal> right.. also the Pi Geek magzine... it's full of projects and ideas...
[21:12] <abnormal> just don't get the one that says "Raspberry Pi for Dummies" it's too bland...
[21:13] <abnormal> but yes, Simon Monk's books are good, but they are out of date... mostly...
[21:14] <abnormal> so much has changed in such a short time the authors are having hard time keeping up with the pace...
[21:16] <abnormal> so, my suggestion is to buy the MagPi or PiGeek magazines as they are as close as possible to the latest developments of the pi's...
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[21:16] <pngl> I'm interested in anyone helping me out with compiling mpv on the Raspberry pi 2!
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[21:17] <abnormal> getting the subscriptions is best for a child learning... keeps them interested...
[21:17] <mfa298> My other bit of advice is i you want projects to do find something you're interested in and break it down into managable pieces. That usually helps to give some motivation and you cen see progress
[21:17] <abnormal> very true
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[21:39] <WardL> Hi
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[21:39] <abnormal> hello
[21:39] <WardL> I know you can VNC from a unix machine to raspberry pi
[21:40] <WardL> Does the other way around work as well?
[21:40] <WardL> Can I VNC my ubuntu desktop on the raspberry pi
[21:40] <abnormal> it should, I don't see why not?
[21:40] <WardL> abnormal: am not very familiar with raspi, but have already noticed that some things don't work on ARM.
[21:41] <abnormal> me neither but I'm sure there's ppl here to help, but don't know which ones know that subject...
[21:42] <WardL> This is my first raspi, and am still waiting for keyboard to be delivered to actually set it up.
[21:42] <abnormal> ahh, ok... that'll be difficult.
[21:43] <WardL> Don't understand me wrong, I don't lack the CompSci skills.
[21:43] <WardL> just not familiar with ARM / raspi and what it can and can't do.
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[21:44] <abnormal> no, np, look in google and key in the subjects then a lot of info would show up.
[21:44] <WardL> yeah, most is the other way around
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[21:44] <WardL> VNC the raspi from another device
[21:45] <WardL> There's no point in doing a lot of reading if someone in here just says it can't be done :p
[21:45] <WardL> but since no one says that, I'll give it a try
[21:45] <abnormal> well I can't say it don't cuz I don't have that experience.
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[21:47] <WardL> the first plan was to stream netflix on raspi, but that can't be done apparantly. So now looking into streaming it on pc and having raspi VNC it
[21:48] <WardL> Doubt the framerate will be acceptable though
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[21:48] <abnormal> ppl have used a pi to do streaming... look in the pi forums
[21:49] <WardL> am looking, as far as I can see, netflix requires chrome, which has no ARM build. Chromium doesn't have the encrypted media extension so that doesn't work.
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[21:50] <abnormal> ahh, didn't know that... sorry
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[21:52] <abnormal> which pi you have?
[21:52] <WardL> Pi 3 model B
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[21:52] <h4k1m> can we plug pi to an android tablet (to use it as a screen)? otherwise what's the screen you would suggest to use with pi?
[21:52] <WardL> looks like it might work if there is Android support
[21:52] <abnormal> ok min...
[21:52] <WardL> h4k1m: screen is my TV
[21:53] <h4k1m> WardL: connected using an HDMI cable I guess?
[21:53] <WardL> yes
[21:53] <abnormal> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9knfFCIWR8A
[21:54] <h4k1m> WardL: is the Pi powerful enough to display on a HD tv (according to your experience)?
[21:54] <WardL> h4k1m: haven't tried yet, am waiting for my keyboard to arrive on tuesday
[21:54] <WardL> I only have laptops, so no loose keyboards I can use
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[21:55] <WardL> am doing a bit of planning now on how I'm going to set up the pi
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[21:55] <h4k1m> WardL: me too (still looking for a cheap screen)... I'm planning to buy this keyboard: https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/wired-slim-chiclet-keyboard (it's quite cheap)?
[21:57] <WardL> I got a Trust Classicline keyboard
[21:57] <abnormal> yes pi can use a TV for a monitor
[21:57] <WardL> https://www.bol.com/nl/p/trust-classicline-toetsenbord-qwerty/9200000046328725/
[21:57] <WardL> (dutch site)
[21:58] <h4k1m> abnormal: do you know a cheaper alternative to a tv?
[21:58] <H__> WardL: so what's the project the PI is intended for ?
[21:59] <abnormal> yeah, if you have a place nearby that sells used stuff, you can pick up a monitor for around $15
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[21:59] <WardL> H__: general messing around, IRC bouncer, having some files accessible over network, torrenting
[21:59] <h4k1m> WardL: seems like a normal keyboard
[22:00] <WardL> h4k1m: it's about as standard as you can get
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[22:00] <WardL> and costs 7.8£
[22:00] <WardL> H__: mainly wanted something I can fuck up without worrying about it. Can't do that with my laptop.
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[22:02] <h4k1m> Im getting interested in Raspberry Pi (at first I thought I could control it directly from the laptop, without needing to buy a separate keyboard and a separate screen)
[22:02] <WardL> h4k1m: you can
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[22:03] <h4k1m> WardL: really how?
[22:03] <WardL> h4k1m: you just need a keyboard / screen once to set it up
[22:03] <WardL> then you can use SSH
[22:03] <WardL> or VNC
[22:03] <h4k1m> WardL: yes that's what I found on the internet
[22:03] <WardL> what you found is correct
[22:04] <h4k1m> I'll see if my screen at the office can be plugged via hdmi (to set-up the OS on the Pi).
[22:04] <Roonix> do you need the screen and keyboard? I thought ssh was on by default on raspbian
[22:04] <WardL> I think you dont /need/ it
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[22:04] <WardL> but it certainly makes things easier
[22:04] <Roonix> should be able to plug in power and ethernet and ssh into the pi
[22:04] <h4k1m> Roonix: just to install Raspbian
[22:05] <WardL> if it comes with NOOBS, YOU NEED KEYBOARD TO INSTALL RASPBIAN
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[22:05] <WardL> oops
[22:05] <WardL> sorry for caps lock
[22:05] <curlyears> heigh hough
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[22:05] <Roonix> if you use noobs yes, if you just use raspbian it does it automatically and just reboots itself
[22:06] <WardL> Roonix: can you change the SSH password/user through SSH?
[22:06] <WardL> I think it should be possible, but never tried that before
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[22:06] <WardL> (removing the user with which you are logged in
[22:06] <abnormal> how do I find the pi's address from laptop?
[22:06] <normalra> you can sudo -i, probably.
[22:07] <WardL> abnormal: nmap ?
[22:07] <normalra> abnormal: nmap
[22:07] <Chillum> I use nmap to find my pi
[22:07] <normalra> WardL: i'm too slow :c
[22:07] <abnormal> in windows?
[22:07] <Chillum> once before booting -p22, once after
[22:07] <Chillum> nmap works in windows
[22:07] <abnormal> ok ty
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[22:07] <normalra> and android
[22:08] <h4k1m> Chillum: you could use `arp-scan -l` as well to get its address
[22:08] <Roonix> if you have a smartphone there is app called fing that will show all IPs that are connected to internet, i find it handy sometimes
[22:08] <Chillum> true
[22:10] <h4k1m> but on the first use (installation of raspbian on the pi) the keyboard and screen are required to obviously connect it to the network, right?
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[22:10] <Roonix> only if using wifi dongle
[22:10] <Roonix> if you're using ethernet cable it will connect automatically
[22:10] <normalra> yeah, i believe so. that was my first mistake :D
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[22:10] <h4k1m> Roonix: yes you're right (I forget that option).
[22:11] <normalra> does raspbian support full disk encryption?
[22:12] <curlyears> Roonix: not to be a jerk or anything, but if that app actually qattempted to list all the IPs "connected to the Internet," the phone would die and disintegrate before thelist concluded
[22:12] <Roonix> connected to your network I meant xP
[22:12] <WardL> s/the internet/the subnet
[22:12] <WardL> obviously
[22:13] <WardL> I guess it just does a visualisation of nmap -sn or something like that
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[22:13] <normalra> yeah, they're usually shipped with precompiled nmap :)
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[22:13] <WardL> could I run a windows VM on raspi?
[22:13] <Roonix> aye it also recognises what the device is
[22:13] <curlyears> Roonix: yeah. I figurted that, but when discussing technical things, it is really important to use corr4ect terminology and precise language
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[22:14] <WardL> would probably give problems with the processor
[22:14] <WardL> anyone tried it before?
[22:14] <curlyears> OK...which linux do you get under noobs?
[22:14] <WardL> Raspbian
[22:14] <WardL> or arch
[22:14] <WardL> those are the main two, there are some others as well
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[22:15] <curlyears> NO. You can NOT run a windows VM on a raspi
[22:15] <Roonix> curlyears, yeah you right :)
[22:15] <mfa298> WardL: Different architectures so you can't virtualise, you might be able to emulate but it will be very slow
[22:15] <WardL> yeah, you'd need to get an x86 processor somehow
[22:15] <WardL> emulation would be super slow
[22:16] <mfa298> there is Win10-IOT you can run natively on the pi2/pi3, but that's not the same as windows desktop
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[22:16] <WardL> interesting
[22:17] <WardL> what can this windows10 IoT do?
[22:17] <WardL> I have stopped following windows development for a long time
[22:17] <curlyears> mfa298: and from what I have heard, the term "run" my be being used advisedly.
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[22:18] <curlyears> Win10 IoT was developed by Mickey$oft to further entrench the Windows franchise in *all* forms of computing.
[22:18] <mfa298> WardL: I think its more for embedded things
[22:19] <curlyears> It is a subset of Wihndows, which supposed provides a Windows-like UI to an IoT setting (sor5t of a contradiction in terms, in my view)
[22:19] <curlyears> s/my/may/
[22:19] <Roonix> I've never actually tried it, but from what I've seen it looks really limited and boring, there's really hardly anything to it at all
[22:19] <WardL> so, that should be able to run netflix app probably
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[22:19] <WardL> assuming it can run windows apps
[22:19] <converge> they did that so we can have blue screen on small robots too
[22:20] <WardL> reddit.com/r/pbsod intensifies
[22:20] <Roonix> no it can't run any apps, its not really like an OS at all
[22:20] <curlyears> WardL: no one said it would "run Winblows apps"
[22:20] <Roonix> its more like a web app itself
[22:21] <WardL> am still going to try that hackerisch trick
[22:21] <WardL> that extracts an ARM chrome from ChromeOS
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[22:23] <curlyears> how much of the 1Gb of RAM on a Pi2 doe ubuntu32 eat?
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[22:24] <jancoow> hay
[22:24] <Roonix> is netflix available on Android? Would it be possible to use on that (Android is apparently going to be coming to pi)?
[22:24] <abnormal> still don't see the pi
[22:25] <WardL> android came to pi already
[22:25] <jancoow> this is weird. I just created a new mount on my desk for the raspberry pi; The distance to the pi is just 20cm so decided to use a very short micro usb cable; But apperently, the pi doesn't boot with this cable
[22:25] <WardL> there is a download link to a .tar.bz2 file on the forums
[22:25] <jancoow> it just blinks the green led for a very short time and then reset and start over
[22:25] <WardL> jancoow: where did you get this cable from?
[22:25] <jancoow> WardL: from a power bank (china)
[22:26] <WardL> I once had a device that came with a cable, and it turned out to not be a u full usb cable
[22:26] <Roonix> abnormal, you are using a Raspbian image (NOT a noobs image) on the SD card? And also an ethernet connection?
[22:26] <jancoow> Roonix: me?
[22:26] <jancoow> it isn't a full usb cable
[22:26] <jancoow> it only connect the power lines
[22:26] <abnormal> tried the ethernet cable but no pi showed up and yes,Raspbian
[22:26] <WardL> maybe raspi checks for that?
[22:26] <curlyears> Jaancoow: there's your issue. The USB cable they sent you doesn't immplement the communicvations circuit of a standard USB cable, it only implements the power circuit
[22:27] <Roonix> You can power a pi with one of those mini cables plugged into a computer/tv
[22:27] <Roonix> I use one
[22:28] <jancoow> okay weird didn't know the pi needs the circuit of the usb cable to charge
[22:28] <jancoow> *run
[22:28] <abnormal> 0 hosts scanned
[22:28] <Roonix> how long did you wait? I know when you first boot, it does some stuff first like expands the sd card space then it reboots
[22:28] <curlyears> which would be faster? A Pi3 @ 1.2Ghz, or an x86 based system (e.g, a PC) @1.2Ghz?
[22:28] <jancoow> Roonix: talking to me? ;p
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[22:29] <Roonix> jancoow, no sorry I mean abnormal
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[22:29] <curlyears> booting requires the datq circuit to be present and functional, jancoow
[22:29] <abnormal> yes, Roonix
[22:29] <abnormal> no hosts foung
[22:29] <abnormal> found
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[22:30] <WardL> curlyears: can you elaborate on why?
[22:30] <Roonix> abnormal, no hosts found? what says that?
[22:30] <abnormal> I'll have to try different cable
[22:30] <jancoow> curlyears: okay what a shame; ?Just to be interested, why? Is it one of the specific resistors in the cable to check if the cable is qualified to deliver 2amps or something
[22:30] <abnormal> Roonix: the nmap app
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[22:30] <curlyears> jaancoow: booting requires the transfer of large amounts of data, not just the supplying of operational power
[22:30] <abnormal> I'll have to try again in Mint.
[22:31] <WardL> curlyears: we are talking about the power cable.
[22:31] <WardL> right?
[22:31] <abnormal> gotta go get wife... be back in 30min...
[22:31] <curlyears> Oh, wait. I amy be incorrect. The microUSB input on the Pi is only a power connection, isn't it?
[22:31] <WardL> yep
[22:31] <jancoow> curlyears WardL: yeah about the power cable; i'm intrested why this power cable doesn't work
[22:31] <curlyears> sorry, was thinking about full fledged USB port, and booting through it.
[22:31] <jancoow> i got 2 of these btw; both not working
[22:32] <jancoow> oh no!
[22:32] <WardL> curlyears: no, that would obviously require data lines :p
[22:32] <curlyears> jancoow: have you tried them on anything else?
[22:32] <jancoow> curlyears WardL: yeah haha
[22:32] <jancoow> curlyears: yeah it's charging the powerbank and my mobile phone
[22:33] <Roonix> just to be certain jancoow as I did this yesterday myself >.< you have put in the SD card? ^_^
[22:33] <jancoow> it just looks like it isn't getting enoufgh power to boot or something
[22:33] <jancoow> Roonix: yeah ;p after swapping cables it boots normally
[22:33] <curlyears> jancoow: that's an interesting problem. Have you successfully used any other USB C cable with the Pi?
[22:33] <jancoow> curlyears: usb c? just microusb / usb B cable
[22:33] <Roonix> jancoow, ahh ok, thats odd as my little cable works both when i plug it into a pc or tv to power my pi
[22:33] <curlyears> MicroUSB is also known as USBC
[22:34] <jancoow> sorry didn't know that
[22:34] <jancoow> it's this cable http://www.banggood.com/2600mAh-Portable-Mobile-Power-Bank-For-Samsung-Galaxy-S4-I9500-p-74819.html
[22:35] <Success> So I've been trying to come up with a reason to buy a raspberry pi but I don't know what I'd even actually use it for, try to convince me please.
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[22:35] <curlyears> jancoow: I only know it because I like to read component supplier catalogs like books...I read every page, e very part number (if I could REMEMBER all that &^%&(^$%(*%( I'd be invaluable to a manufacturing house)
[22:35] <Roonix> jancoow, ahh you are using the power bank? or just the cable plugged into a pc?
[22:35] <oq> curlyears: who told you that?
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[22:36] <curlyears> yeah, that could be your problem, it is starving ghe Pi for power. It is only rated to supoply 1Amp
[22:36] <jancoow> Roonix curlyears: okay weird; with my phone charger (2amphs) it boots with the short and long cable; With another chargers ( 1amps) it boots with the long cable but doesn't boot with the short cable ugh
[22:36] <oq> curlyears: usb micro is usb micro, usb type c is the new reversable one
[22:36] <jancoow> oq: is what i also thought
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[22:36] <oq> there is no usbc
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[22:36] <Roonix> Success, if you like retro games and movies and stuff, RetroPie/Kodi box is pretty awesome
[22:37] <Zardoz> that power back only had 5.3V 1A most like not enough power...
[22:37] <curlyears> oq: mea culpa
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[22:37] <jancoow> Zardoz: didn;t power it from the powerbank, just a wall charger
[22:38] <curlyears> "reversable" USB connector?
[22:38] <Zardoz> ah,
[22:38] <jancoow> i think the cable connectors are just bad and have extra resistance or something? i dunno
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[22:38] <jancoow> i will swap the power supplys and problem solved i think ;p
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[22:38] <Zardoz> whats the adaptor output...
[22:38] <oq> curlyears: yes, reversable, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_Type-C
[22:39] <jancoow> Zardoz: read message back: okay weird; with my phone charger (2amphs) it boots with the short and long cable; With another chargers ( 1amps) it boots with the long cable but doesn't boot with the short cable ugh
[22:40] <jancoow> hahahaha changed it to a 0.7amp charger and it works
[22:40] <jancoow> with the short cable
[22:40] <jancoow> like wut
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[22:40] <Zardoz> yuck, that thing taps off 2 usb? get rid of that thing...
[22:40] <WardL> 0.7 amps?
[22:40] <Zardoz> get a real power supply
[22:40] <WardL> isn't that not nearly enough?
[22:40] <jancoow> they are working fine though
[22:40] <Zardoz> what pi is it again?
[22:41] <jancoow> pi b+
[22:41] <WardL> I have this power supply
[22:41] <Roonix> do you have a coloured square in the top right on raspbian? :D
[22:41] <jancoow> running 2 years with that 1amp power supply btw
[22:41] <WardL> https://thepihut.com/collections/raspberry-pi-power-supplies/products/official-raspberry-pi-universal-power-supply
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[22:41] <Zardoz> yeah that needs 1.8A at least
[22:41] <jancoow> meh, 1,5 years
[22:41] <WardL> that's 2.5 amps
[22:41] <jancoow> it's idle most of the time
[22:41] <jancoow> doesn't use video
[22:42] <jancoow> it can use up to 2amps; but that doesn't mean it used it?
[22:42] <Zardoz> for pi B+ 1.8A, 2A best.
[22:42] <converge> anyone have rasp. pi zero ?
[22:42] <Roonix> so what would be the amp output of a usb cable coming from a PC?
[22:43] <Roonix> converge, yes
[22:43] <Zardoz> jancoow: it's only going to use what it needs
[22:43] <Zardoz> Roonix: most of the time .5 A some do more.
[22:43] <WardL> yeah
[22:44] <WardL> 500mA
[22:44] <Roonix> ohhh lol that's what my zero is running on <.<
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[22:44] <Zardoz> I would not use PC USB as most are very low amp output.
[22:44] <Roonix> actually its a usb port on my tv not a pc
[22:45] <Roonix> it's so convenient though :D When i turn off the TV pi powers off, when I turn the tv on the pi boots up into retropie/kodi
[22:46] <Zardoz> and it has not corrupted yet?
[22:46] <Chillum> I just leave my pi running
[22:46] <Zardoz> oh hey Chillum
[22:46] <Chillum> yo
[22:46] <Roonix> No, though I do shut the OS down through retropie before I turn it off
[22:47] <Zardoz> Roonix: ah,
[22:47] <Chillum> why turn it off at all?
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[22:48] <Zardoz> Chillum: with great power you need great responsibility
[22:48] <Chillum> 2 watts of responsibility
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[22:48] <Chillum> not that much
[22:48] <Zardoz> :P
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[22:50] <mfa298> curlyears: going back to an earlier question, It's difficult to compare different architectures (Arm and i386, expecially on clock speed alone. ARM is a risc, intel is cisc (mostly although I think they've added some risc stuff). and pipelines will be different.
[22:51] <jancoow> hehe this power supply isn't indeed not good (that 0.7amp one), when green led lights the red goes out
[22:51] <jancoow> so when the pi do something it doesn't get enoufgh power xD
[22:51] <WardL> what pi is it again?
[22:51] <curlyears> mfa298: hence my query. It is NOT a simple nor an obvious comparison
[22:51] <jancoow> b+
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[22:52] <mfa298> curlyears: I suspect it'll depend partly on what you're doing, I suspect intel might be better at some more complex tasks, arm might be better on numbber crunching.
[22:53] <curlyears> mfa298: yes, I agree
[22:53] <mfa298> but then for some of those things GPUs are better
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[22:54] <jancoow> haha; when turning on a relais the led goes out; This can't be good ^^
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[22:54] <curlyears> GPUs are relly only helpful fior doing large number crunching with parallelizable math on floats
[22:54] <WardL> jancoow: just get a better power supply :p
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[22:55] <curlyears> the wall wart that came with my Pi2 "Starter Kit" was a 5VDC 2.1A wall wart.
[22:56] <WardL> mine is a 5.1V 2.5Amps
[22:56] <WardL> (official power supply)
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[22:56] <mfa298> but then a good amount of large scale number crunching can be split up into something parallelizable so GPUs are useful for that (and intel is likely to win out on that currently with a large range of GPU options that can be added).
[22:56] <curlyears> jancoow: and get rid of any electromechanical relays. Replace them with SSRs (Solid State Relays)
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[22:58] <Roonix> I accidentally bought some 5.2V 500mA power supplies, they did power the pi, but it kept freezing
[22:58] <curlyears> jancoow: assuming, of couerse, that you're only looking for simple switching. If you're switching large numbers of circuits, electromechanical is the most economic approach
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[22:58] <Zardoz> Roonix: 500mA is way to small for any Pi
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[22:59] <ShorTie> but the 5.2v is great
[22:59] <curlyears> anyone have any clues on the del;ivery date for ubuntu16.0464bit for the Pi3?
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[22:59] <Roonix> yeah I didn't even realise for a while, i thought it was the sd image :D
[22:59] <mfa298> jancoow: you might need to look at how you're driving the relays, you should have some sort of driver between the gpio and relay
[22:59] <Zardoz> 5.2V will not help you at all if your Amp output is way to small
[23:00] <Roonix> that was ages ago when the pi's first came out
[23:00] <Roonix> I didn't know about 5V 2A stuff back then :D I just bought generic plugs with a micro usb on
[23:00] * curlyears wonders what marvels they have in mind for the Pi4
[23:01] <Zardoz> I do know a PiB will mosty do fine on 1.2 to 1.5A
[23:01] <mfa298> I suspct we'll not see a Pi4 for a couple of years
[23:01] <mfa298> it sounds like there's a CM3 and Pi3A in the pipeline
[23:01] <curlyears> mfa298: yeah, but no one outside Raspberry Pi Foundation thouoght we'd see anything like the Pi0 or the Pi3 so quickly, either
[23:01] <Zardoz> if a pi4 comes I am hoping for 2GB ram at least
[23:02] <curlyears> Zardoz: me as well.
[23:02] <Roonix> wireless everything! wireless HDMI, wireless power, EVERYTHING!
[23:02] <oq> usb 3 + gigabit ethernet?
[23:02] <WardL> Roonix: wireless CPU!
[23:02] <Zardoz> oq: that would be nice too
[23:02] <curlyears> speaking of which, I askee earlier: does anyone know what the approximate memory size of a more or less generic ubuntu install on a Pi2 or Pi3 would be
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[23:03] <mfa298> I think we're near the end of where compatible hardware can take us, so I think the Pi4 will be something quite different (everything so far has been a slight upgrade to the existing SOC)
[23:03] <oq> mfa298: a different form factor?
[23:03] <Zardoz> or a Pi3++ with 2GB ram
[23:03] <mfa298> Faster buses, more RAM etc need a very differnt SOC (AIUI)
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[23:04] <mfa298> oq: major SOC redesign (rather than a fairly small set of changes as we've had so far)
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[23:04] <Zardoz> curlyears: less then 1GB :P
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[23:04] <oq> I think the current hardware is fine, they should focus on the basics like accelerated x before they keep releasing new ones
[23:04] <curlyears> mfa298: I'd settle for an easy way to add expanded RAM support to the existing architecture
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[23:05] <oq> and getting rid of the binary blobs
[23:05] <curlyears> "accelerated x?"
[23:05] <mfa298> curlyears: I think the current SOC is limited to 1GB.
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[23:05] <Zardoz> curlyears: naw would make the cost to high.
[23:05] <WardL> binary blob is a pleonasm
[23:05] <Zardoz> mfa298: you think?
[23:05] <oq> curlyears: currently running a gui on a pi is awful because of that
[23:05] <Chunkyz> oq, nope
[23:05] <WardL> "Binary binary large object"
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[23:06] <Chunkyz> running a gui on a pi is fine. at least for me...
[23:06] <oq> compared to a desktop
[23:06] <mfa298> Zardoz: well I don't work for Broadcom or Raspberry Pi so I'm just working on what I've read in the Forums and on here from those in the know
[23:06] <Zardoz> I do think they need to get off this SD card thing and Go USA only.
[23:06] <Chunkyz> of course, something heavy like ubuntu mate will be slow.
[23:06] <Chunkyz> oq, my pi is actually faster than my ssd laptop...
[23:06] <oq> Chunkyz: I find that really hard to believe
[23:07] <Zardoz> mfa298: thats to bad it's limited to 1GB ram :(
[23:07] <Chunkyz> believe what you want lol
[23:07] <Roonix> Zardoz, go usa only?
[23:07] <oq> the pi3's cpu is comparable to a 15 year old pentium
[23:07] <Chunkyz> HAHA
[23:07] <Chunkyz> no
[23:07] <oq> seriously
[23:07] <Zardoz> Roonix: yeah they dont need that SDcard
[23:07] <curlyears> Chunkyz: well, I am running ubuntu64 on a 3.4Ghz 8 core ADm64 processor w/24GB of RAM, and the GUI is too slow for *MY* tastes
[23:07] <Chunkyz> curlyears, lol
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[23:07] <Roonix> Whats usa?
[23:07] <oq> Roonix: a country
[23:08] <WardL> United States of America
[23:08] <mfa298> Zardoz: the videocore/gpu side is the same as the Pi1 and I think thats the limiting factor
[23:08] <Zardoz> lol
[23:08] <Chunkyz> curlyears, don't use a pi then. simples.
[23:08] <Zardoz> mfa298: mmm...
[23:08] <oq> Chunkyz: we don't, we use desktops
[23:08] <Chunkyz> lmao
[23:08] <Roonix> "Zardoz> I do think they need to get off this SD card thing and Go USA only." what does this mean? ^_^
[23:08] <Zardoz> really though you get a lot for $35
[23:08] <curlyears> Chunkyz: for sdesktop computing, I shan't. Wunnerful for dedicatd, embedded applications though
[23:09] <Zardoz> USA=USB
[23:09] <Zardoz> typo
[23:09] <Roonix> ohhh ok lol
[23:09] <Chunkyz> curlyears, you obviously have money to burn then...
[23:09] <oq> wait how would that work?
[23:09] <jancoow> WardL curlyyeras mfa298 relais are fine hehe; Like i said before, i use the same setup for 1,5 years now. Just a bad power supply
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[23:09] <oq> no built-in flash just booting off a usb drive?
[23:10] <Roonix> usb drives yeah
[23:11] <curlyears> Chunkyz: hardly I did have a small infusion of "extra cash" latelast year from a call action lawsuit I joined, but it is all gone now. (too bad, too..I don't even have enough to buy a replacement PSU for my 8 corer machine)
[23:11] <mfa298> I think pure USB and netboot are coming on the Pi3, just waiting on firmware that understands it
[23:11] <Roonix> ofc with usb you can still use sd cards, but not the other way round obviously
[23:11] <oq> mfa298: can't you already boot off usb with that berryboot thing?
[23:11] <mfa298> although I've not been keeping up with the current state of plat on that
[23:11] <Chunkyz> curlyears, and your blocked.
[23:11] <curlyears> s/call/class/
[23:12] <Zardoz> there is a roomer you might be able to do boot USB on the Pi3+ in the future it has the capability.
[23:12] <mfa298> oq: the pure USB boot is no SD card at all (which they've talked about coming for the Pi3, along with similar for network booting)
[23:12] <curlyears> I'm blocked? I *CAN* be a blockhead, is that what he m eant?
[23:13] <Zardoz> network boot would be awesome
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[23:13] <Chunkyz> Zardoz, I thought the 3 could already boot from usb?
[23:13] <Zardoz> oh and man they need PoE on the Pi so bad.
[23:13] <curlyears> the problem I see with a pure USB boot, is that USB thumbs are much larger than micro SDHC cards, and in embedded applications that is a drag
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[23:14] <Zardoz> Chunkyz: not that I know of
[23:14] <mfa298> oq: and I think the Pi3 is probably a bit better than a 15 year old Pentium (but then it's hard to directly compare intel with arm as they're very different architectures)
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[23:14] <oq> mfa298: maybe a little bit if you can use all the cores efficiently
[23:14] <Chunkyz> mfa298, pi 3 is far better than a 15 year old cpu
[23:14] <Chunkyz> just idiots who use wrong sd cards and bad psu's
[23:15] <curlyears> put an inadequate PSU ibn a PC and it'll do all sorts of insane things (other than run correctly)
[23:15] <mfa298> Chunkyz: I'd agree
[23:15] <giddles> rpi nice ;) psx games also work
[23:15] <Zardoz> Chunkyz: for real
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[23:16] <mfa298> bad PSU in any computer is bad, but peopel seem to like doing it with Pis particularly.
[23:16] <curlyears> sorta like my 8 cor4e system right now. The PSU is flakey, I get all sorts of strange, extremely difficult to troubleshoot problems./
[23:16] <Zardoz> mfa298: they like to do it a lot
[23:16] <oq> a bad psu in a computer will fry the whole thing
[23:16] <curlyears> I cabn't connect my HDDs to the system, they draw enough power to drag down the PSU )-:
[23:16] <oq> wait really?
[23:17] <oq> your hdds are what push it over..?
[23:17] <curlyears> oq: it took me weeks to finally discovwer that the PROBLEM was in the PSU
[23:17] <oq> curlyears: have you replaced it?
[23:17] <mfa298> spinning rust can have a fairly high power draw on start up
[23:18] <curlyears> I have 4 HDDs in there, 2 3TB drive, a 250GB SSD and a 500GB drive. Apparently that's enough to screw things up
[23:18] <mfa298> servers and storage arrays will stagger drive spin up for that reason (but home PC's tend to start everythign at once)
[23:18] <curlyears> if I unplug the power feronm the drive, it runs fine
[23:18] <Zardoz> I had this guy the other day argue with me that his pi3 should run on his less then 2A adapter. and that it was not.
[23:18] <oq> Zardoz: well it should
[23:18] <Valduare> hows it going guys
[23:19] <Zardoz> qo: smack
[23:19] <oq> Zardoz: people only say 2.5A as a worst case scenario with the usb ports maxed out
[23:19] <curlyears> oq: it should ruun,, yes. But it may not be cpable of heavy liftng
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[23:19] <Zardoz> oq: completely wrong.
[23:20] <Zardoz> the unit spikes well in to the 2.3A range a lot.
[23:21] <curlyears> geeze, 2.5A @ 5VDC is 12.5 watts...that's roughly 1/10 to 1/5 the dissipation of the CPU alone in most desktop PCs
[23:21] <mfa298> Zardoz: I think the offical spec is ~1.3A for the Pi3 and 1.2A for attached USB devices.
[23:21] <Zardoz> oq: from what I have SEEN , THE very less supply 2.4A on a pi3
[23:21] <Zardoz> mfa298: not for a pi3
[23:21] <mfa298> although if the local caps aren't up to spec I can see it might pull more briefly
[23:21] <mfa298> Zardoz: that's for the Pi3
[23:22] <oq> curlyears: because it's ARM
[23:23] <Zardoz> https://www.raspberrypi.org/help/faqs/#power
[23:23] <Zardoz> why use small then suggested?
[23:23] <Zardoz> you are just asking from issues.
[23:23] <Zardoz> for that is
[23:23] <oq> Zardoz: look at column 2 and 3
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[23:24] <oq> or 3 and 4 rather
[23:24] <mfa298> Zardoz: https://www.raspberrypi.org/help/faqs/#powerReqs
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[23:25] <mfa298> 1.34A max under stress for the pi3.
[23:25] <Zardoz> We have found that purchasing a 1.2A (1200mA) power supply from a reputable retailer will provide you with ample power to run your Raspberry Pi for most applications, though you may want to get a 2.5A (2500mA) power supply if you want to use all 4 USB ports on the Models B+/2B/3B without using an external powered USB hub. The table below outlines the power requirements of each model.
[23:26] <Zardoz> so yeah you CAN do that, but do you?
[23:26] <oq> see, worst case scenario
[23:26] <Zardoz> ok, go play with you power issues IMO
[23:28] <mfa298> If you're only powering the Pi3 then around a 1.5A supply should be fine (an official 1A supply gave me issues). If you want to plug anything much in then you'll need more.
[23:28] <Zardoz> I will agree to disagree. I prefer to spend what 2 more dollars for 2.5 Amps
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[23:28] <mfa298> I think I did have a Pi3 running off a good 1.2A supply with no issues.
[23:28] <Zardoz> ok, good...
[23:29] <mfa298> however I suspect my good 1.2A supply was better than a crappy 1.5A charger (possibly better than some 2A chargers that people use)
[23:29] <oq> you know.... they'd solve all this if they just shipped a darn plug with the pi
[23:29] <Zardoz> no they will not
[23:30] <mfa298> it would be a lot better if more than 0.1% of users realised there was an official PSU that's 5.1V @2.5A
[23:30] <oq> Zardoz: because then people can point at that plug and say use that one instead of guessing at what power supplies might be decent on amazon
[23:30] <Zardoz> no need to guess, it's very well documented.
[23:31] <oq> like mfa298 there's more to it than amps rating
[23:31] <oq> *like mfa298 said
[23:31] <Zardoz> yup
[23:31] <Zardoz> get crap stuff, expect crap
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[23:32] <oq> I think if people wanted to spend loads of money they'd pick a better spec'd board than a pi
[23:32] <ozzzy> the pi is a nice little board
[23:32] <Zardoz> yup it's all about cost
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[23:33] <Zardoz> and $35 is cheap
[23:33] <ozzzy> yep
[23:33] <pythin> Hey everyone
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[23:33] <pythin> Hey gordonDrogon the SSL on your website drogon.net has expired
[23:33] <ozzzy> as for better specs... they were designed as an educational tool for kids... not as standalone corporate servers LOL
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[23:33] <Zardoz> what the next best it what odroid now days and that starts at $45
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[23:34] * mfa298 wonders how many of those 1.5A / 2A phone chargers hold 5V when having that current drawn from them.
[23:34] <Zardoz> course the Chip thing is getting some press.
[23:34] <pythin> gordonDrogon: https://projects.drogon.net/
[23:34] * mfa298 wouldn't be surprised if most drop a few 0.1v at high current
[23:34] <curlyears> right on, ozzzy!
[23:34] <Zardoz> mfa298: a lot of them things are crap
[23:34] <oq> ozzzy: if you want an educational tool you're better off with a bbc microbit
[23:35] <pythin> Hello, I would like to type a letter when a button is pressed that is connected to GPIO on my Raspberry Pi 2. Would I want to use Python or WiringPi for this?
[23:35] <ozzzy> I don't want an educational tool... but that's what the pi was designed to be. and it's very good at being that
[23:35] <pythin> I will be using the MCP23008 IO expander with the PI
[23:36] <mfa298> Zardoz: that's what I suspect, but still people seem to like using them to run a Pi. Whilst I might argue that you don't need 2.5A for a Pi3 I'd still recommend the official PSU as it's most likely to work and those extra pounds are worth spending
[23:36] <Zardoz> ozzzy: agree, for most an educational tool, but it does happen to do a lot more.
[23:36] <ozzzy> yep... very versatile
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[23:37] <Zardoz> mfa298: and you know why. they already have them and it's a cheap option, but a lot of the time not a good one for the Pi3 as it new more power then what a lot of them can even come close to do.
[23:37] <Chunkyz> oq, why are you slagging off the pi's CPU yet YOU'RE IN a pi irc channel? same ques tion for you too curlyears
[23:38] <mfa298> pythin: you should be able to do that from python, you could probably use wiringpi as well but python is likely the easiest approach
[23:38] <oq> Chunkyz: I wasn't slagging it off, I was just saying how it is
[23:38] <Chunkyz> oq, no, you're chatting poo.
[23:38] <pythin> mfa298: Sounds good, do you know how I could get started?
[23:38] <oq> Chunkyz: it's unrealistic to expect an ARM soc to be even comparible to a desktop cpu
[23:39] <Chunkyz> oq, ?
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[23:39] <ozzzy> I should think of something to do with these Pis
[23:39] * Zardoz changes oq's nick color to brown :P
[23:39] <Chunkyz> thank god for /ignore
[23:39] <mfa298> pythin: I'm afraid I'm not a python coder, but there should be plenty of examples out ther
[23:39] <Zardoz> ozzzy: pi-hole
[23:39] <ozzzy> I have ad blockers
[23:39] <oq> ozzzy: wear them as jewellery
[23:39] <pythin> mfa298: Alright, thanks
[23:40] <Zardoz> yeah but running on pi?
[23:40] <ozzzy> sounds like a waste of a pi to me
[23:41] <Zardoz> no, it works very well. and love it
[23:41] <Zardoz> plus I am using one of my PiB's for it...
[23:41] <ozzzy> I'm sure it does... but why allocate a machine just for that
[23:42] <mfa298> I'm tempted to look at pi-hole, one of my Pi3's is part of my DHCP setup
[23:42] <oq> ozzzy: it's a dns forwarder, it can be used for more than just ads
[23:42] <mfa298> I suspect it would speed up browsing on some machines rather than having to run an ad-blocker
[23:42] <ozzzy> perhaps
[23:43] <Zardoz> http://imgur.com/ImaTymu some pi-hole output.
[23:43] <Zardoz> yeah it blocks it at the DNS level
[23:44] <mfa298> browser based ad-blockers take a fair bit of CPU and memory (I saw some stuff suggesting adblock could double the browser memory usage)
[23:44] <Zardoz> much better IMO
[23:44] <ozzzy> ram is cheap
[23:44] <oq> mfa298: ublock origin is the best cpu/memory wise
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[23:45] <Zardoz> plus you get the DNS speed up
[23:45] <mfa298> only if you're not using something without a low ram limit - I still use a netbook with 2GB (maxed out) of ram for some stuff
[23:46] <Zardoz> and it's automatically setup on my routers DHCP. so all systems use it. and just not computers
[23:48] <mfa298> I've already got local dns servers, just need to look at what pi-hole does and add that in.
[23:49] <ozzzy> my netbook also has 2G... but all it does is play videos/audio from the DLNA server
[23:50] <Zardoz> mfa298: you would point pi-hole to your servers then use pi-hole as the DNS
[23:50] <mfa298> downside is my setup means I can't test what normal users get, I get to use NameInDHCPServer.mydomain.com for names (DHCP sending updates to DNS)
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[23:51] <mfa298> Zardoz: I'd look at what pi-hole is doing and replicate, it should be easy enough to add to my local dns servers
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[23:52] <Zardoz> mfa298: most like. it's seems to be using some of the public host files for it's blocking.
[23:52] * ozzzy just ordered another 16G for the desktop
[23:52] <oq> yeah, all those replacement firmwares for routers come with dns forwaders
[23:53] <ozzzy> when I ran my own servers I used BIND
[23:53] <ozzzy> now I just use whatever my ISP offers
[23:54] <mfa298> don't think there's a replacement firmware for my router (unless you count an updated from cisco.com)
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[23:56] <Zardoz> really all I did was to move DNS from my router to the pi-hole so it can do all of the ad blocking and filtering.
[23:56] <Zardoz> as well the DNS
[23:58] <mfa298> my dns isn't on the router, but also not on Pi's. but as Zardoz indicated it looks like pi-hole just grabs some public block lists that should be possible to add in.
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[23:59] <mfa298> DNS for blacklists isn't that new (dns has been used for SPAM filter lists for years), this is just a slightly newer use
[23:59] <Zardoz> yeah it has a cron job to update the list ever so offten.
[23:59] <Zardoz> mfa298: yup yup

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