#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2016-06-08

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[0:12] <illwrks> Hi all, I've finallt got my first pi, a v1.3 Zero. I've an idea for a project... does anyone know the highest quality camera that can be got for it?
[0:13] <Valduare> depends on the idea :)
[0:13] <Valduare> not really, just curious lol
[0:15] <illwrks> A toy camera for my daughter.. a project for me, a toy for her :)
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[0:15] <illwrks> I was thinking using of a 'real' fake camera, like this one on ebay http://goo.gl/VILbgn
[0:16] <Valduare> well then find the worst camera it will help build charicter
[0:16] <Valduare> you should have seen the camera options i had when I was a kid :P #kidsthesedaysdontknowthestruggle
[0:16] <Valduare> :P
[0:16] <illwrks> ha ha ! Like myself ;)
[0:17] <Valduare> discman wouldnt fit in pocket forcing you to hold them heh
[0:17] <abnormal> you can get a Canon camera... it has very high quality...
[0:17] <illwrks> I did find a dirt cheap 35mm vintage russian camera, fully working though so I'd feel a bit shit destroying a working device!
[0:18] <illwrks> abnormal: sorry should have said camera module!
[0:19] <illwrks> I'm amazed at how small this zero is. Seriously insane that it only cost £4...
[0:19] <shauno> probably just stick with the official camera board for it. the current one (the 2nd gen) is kinda .. mid-range cameraphone territory
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[0:21] <shauno> I think there are some third-party ones, but I've only seen them try to compete on price rather than quality
[0:22] <Valduare> illwrks: go with one of those old wooden box cameras :)
[0:22] <illwrks> shauno: great thanks for the info, I've seen comments suggesting ali-express etc.
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[0:23] <illwrks> Valduare: or a shoebox!
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[0:26] <illwrks> Do you guys stick with raspbian?
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[0:29] <shauno> for most things, I do. there's some single-use distros that are fun if they match your single-use. for anything else I haven't found significant benefit
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[0:30] <ali1234> retropie is okay
[0:31] <ali1234> i would like to use ubuntu snappy but it's still a bit half-baked on the pi
[0:31] <ali1234> although i did spot a ppa with the videocore libs the other day
[0:31] <shauno> (well, raspbian-lite for most things now)
[0:31] <ali1234> not sure how i get that inside my snap though
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[0:32] <illwrks> ali1234: is retropie just a emulator distro?
[0:32] <Valduare> I just stick with raspbian
[0:32] <ali1234> yes
[0:33] <Valduare> i delegated my pi 3 to a duty so just left with the pi zero
[0:33] <Valduare> not quite sure what to do with it
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[0:33] <illwrks> ali1234: games are not really my cup of tea. I read about buildroot, is that any good?
[0:33] <ali1234> no, buildroot sucks
[0:34] <ali1234> unless you particularly enjoy watching things compile over and over again
[0:34] <illwrks> 3 second boot seemed promising...
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[0:34] <ali1234> 3 second boot is easy if you don't want it to actually do anything after it boots
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[0:34] <ali1234> any demos you see with a 3 second boot are almost certainly rigged in some wway
[0:35] <ali1234> you don't just install buildroot and it happens by magic
[0:35] <illwrks> looks like raspbian is the way to go then.
[0:35] <ali1234> you have to cut a LOT of corners to make that work
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[0:35] <ali1234> raspbian is by far the best for general use
[0:35] <illwrks> ive enough grey hair as it is, i think ill go the less stress route for now then
[0:36] <Berg> :)
[0:36] <illwrks> raspbian it is!
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[0:36] <Berg> raspbian jessielight or standards?
[0:37] <ali1234> lite if you dont want a gui
[0:37] <illwrks> as light as I can get it
[0:37] <Berg> thern with no desktop use jessie light
[0:37] <illwrks> if I need anything i assume its apt-get and magic...
[0:37] <Berg> i always use jessie light
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[0:37] <Berg> always illwrks
[0:38] <abnormal> why light?
[0:38] <illwrks> silly question... but how do you find performance etc? I assume light is going to fly along without needing to render a gui
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[0:39] <Berg> that depends on what you want it to fly along doing
[0:39] <abnormal> I use velcro
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[0:40] <illwrks> Personally I want to get a bit further into the machine, no need for a layer of abstraction
[0:40] <ali1234> it's either fast enough for you or it isn't, you know?
[0:40] <Berg> abnormal: i use jessie lite because i only install stuff i need to use i dont use open office etc
[0:40] <illwrks> I know ;)
[0:40] <ali1234> premature optimization and all that
[0:40] <illwrks> for £4 its a rocketship
[0:40] <abnormal> I see, ok
[0:41] <abnormal> yes the zero is quite a remarkable unit
[0:41] <ali1234> i tend to do a lot of things that need disk space, so i use lite because it uses less space
[0:41] <ali1234> and i always run headless
[0:42] <Berg> Well initialy i used tinypi and minibian and any other dietpi i could fint to learn about linux now its just habbit n
[0:42] <abnormal> I wished the pi's had mem slots in them... that way I can add a 16gb mem stick
[0:42] <Valduare> ali1234: isnt that dangerous
[0:42] <ali1234> what?
[0:43] <Valduare> ali1234: i always knew to run with my head on my mom just told me not to run with sissors :P
[0:43] <Berg> seen a chicken run headless ones it was interesting
[0:43] <jamesd> i have seen brainless people live there whole lives....
[0:43] <abnormal> lol
[0:43] <Berg> heh cool
[0:43] <Valduare> lol
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[0:44] <Berg> so its desided computers can run headless but not a good idea for humans, am i correct?
[0:45] <ali1234> i don't trust computers that require a gui
[0:45] <jamesd> yes.. 99.9999% of all compuers i login to are headless
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[0:46] <ali1234> speaking of single use distros, you know what i would like to see
[0:46] <ali1234> a distro set up for reverse engineering
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[0:46] <ali1234> with a HAT with JTAG headers etc
[0:47] <ali1234> sigrok installed by default
[0:47] <ali1234> maybe throw a ADC on the HAT so it can do mixed signal stuff
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[0:47] <ali1234> make it a pHAT
[0:47] <SyncYourDogmas> abnormal: you could offload ram intensive stuff onto another machine I supppose...only work for processing etc not caching files I suppose.
[0:47] <Berg> make hats your friend grasshopper
[0:47] <jamesd> okay.. I don't know what any of that meant besides maybe he JTAG thing.
[0:48] <ali1234> the pi is great for RE
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[0:49] <SyncYourDogmas> I didnt understand any of it - but its all just a git clone && make install away at worst
[0:49] <ali1234> sigrok is a bit more involved than that but not too bad
[0:50] <ali1234> you do have to configure it though
[0:50] <ali1234> openocd is similar. it has good pi support in recent versions but the documentation isn't great
[0:51] <ali1234> there's also loads of RE specific packages that most people don't know about
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[0:51] <ali1234> like binwalk... i only found out about that the other day
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[0:51] <ali1234> then you need gcc+binutils for every platform ever...
[0:51] <ali1234> maybe qemu too
[0:52] <ali1234> also i'd want this distro to be configured as a USB device if you boot it on the zero
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[0:52] <SyncYourDogmas> sigrok does look good, and you could script the install fairly painlessly I think..I might look into it
[0:53] <ali1234> sigrok is already packaged in debian and raspbian it's just outdated
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[0:53] <ali1234> there's a ppa for ubuntu
[0:53] <ali1234> i'd throw in gnuradio too... just because...
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[0:56] <SyncYourDogmas> yeah it doesnt seem too bad building from source looking at it, probably already in the AUR too...java is a big dependency though
[0:56] <ali1234> none of those depend on java afaik
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[0:57] <ali1234> building sigrok from source is easy, you clone the build system repo and run a script... but... then you have to install and configure it
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[1:00] <SyncYourDogmas> theres java bindings but yeah does eem optional. cant you script that too?
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[3:10] <joe7dust> damn I didn't know there is a limit on the webchat chat buffer
[3:10] <joe7dust> someone recommended where to buy switches this morningg and its gone :(
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[3:12] <Berg> look in your logs
[3:12] <Berg> i log channels
[3:12] <joe7dust> oh nice ty
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[3:13] <Berg> buy everything from ebay joe7dust
[3:13] <oq> joe7dust: thsi? 13:54 <Bilby> also for smaller / less specific parts, www.PartSexPress.com and http://www.allelectronics.com/ 13:55 <Bilby> also http://www.jameco.com/ and http://www.alliedelec.com/ can be good direct-source industrial sources
[3:13] <Berg> its all there
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[3:16] * [Saint] idly thinks of the hundreds of thousands of cases where EU data retention laws are broken by private citizens logging IRC.
[3:16] <Emil> [Saint]: Eh?
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[3:17] <[Saint]> Emil: basically anyone in the EU can ask for the records to be provably destroyed.
[3:17] <[Saint]> impossible in practice.
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[3:17] <Emil> [Saint]: no, they can't. Only public facing records can be asked to be taken down
[3:18] <Emil> And even with that, there is an assumption of wide availability
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[3:26] <oq> yeah I doubt irc users fall under the definition of "data controller"
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[3:50] <Emil> oq: indeed
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[4:01] <The_Borg> resistance is futile
[4:01] <oq> hi Berg
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[4:02] <exonormal> lol... Seven of Nine is on standby...
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[4:03] <Berg> Im not Berg i am The_borg and you unique individuality and technology will be assimilated
[4:04] <oq> but why two instances?
[4:04] <exonormal> nah
[4:04] <exonormal> technology will progress to futile.... he heh
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[4:05] <jamesd> yeap. you can buy a $5 computer that does more than a 10 year old computer could do.
[4:05] <oq> no you can't
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[4:05] <oq> unless you bought a piece of shit 10 years ago
[4:05] <exonormal> just like in the Star Trek movie, when Voyager 6 became a living entity...
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[4:06] <The_Borg> hehehe
[4:07] <exonormal> technology will never be assimulated...
[4:07] <The_Borg> 10 years ago i had a dual core 3ghz cpu and 4gig ram
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[4:07] <kristina> http://crna.cc/fatsdhost.txt
[4:08] <Berg> please ignore the borg he is only a pi3
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[4:08] <kristina> now i just need to load linux
[4:08] <kristina> and then i can have blobless boot
[4:09] <Berg> pi3 doesnt have alsa-base.config
[4:10] <oq> if I have two wifi dongles can I plug them both into a pi and set one up to join a network and one to broadcast a network?
[4:10] <Berg> how can i tell pocket sphinx what mic top use?
[4:10] <kjar> I find myself wanting to hack on the Pi when I'm out with my laptop but don't have a keyboard or display to connect. First idea is always to get the Pi onto wifi (via a little USB dongle) and SSH in and go from there, any recommendations about that process?
[4:11] <oq> kjar: if you have a pi zero you can set it up as a "usb gadget" which is nifty
[4:11] <kjar> oq: it's a Pi 2 model B
[4:11] <kjar> oq: but yea I imagine that makes the zero into client mode
[4:12] <oq> kjar: I believe there is a way to set wifi connection configuration via a file in the fat32 boot partition on the latest raspbian if you don't have a screen to set it up initially
[4:12] <Berg> make your wifi pi 2 always connect to macdonalds for free = issue whats its ip
[4:13] <kjar> Berg: not sure I follow - the problem for me is I need to convey wifi config to the Pi
[4:14] <kjar> also I don't work from macdonalds if you mean always use their wifi
[4:16] <Berg> I was saying if you using a random hot spot to connect too knowing the ip will be an issue
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[4:18] <oq> kjar: if you write a wpa_supplicant.conf file like described here, https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/configuration/wireless/wireless-cli.md, you can put it on the /boot partition and the pi will automatically applu it when it boots
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[4:19] <oq> the boot directory is the one that you see in windows
[4:20] <kjar> oq: yea I think that's how I'm setup at home which works fine b/c the wifi AP and credentials are constant
[4:21] <oq> kjar: I think it would be easier to set up your laptop's wifi as ad-hoc and have the pi connect to that
[4:21] <[Saint]> wireless credentials in a a FAT32 partition is...interesting.
[4:22] <oq> [Saint]: it's a new feature
[4:22] <oq> [Saint]: it's just copied across
[4:22] <[Saint]> Oh, I'm aware it is new, it's just scary.
[4:22] <kjar> oq: ok sorry, I missed your point
[4:22] <kjar> so you say go to place, find network details, write them to the SD card, boot PI?
[4:22] <[Saint]> kjar: any reason you can't just use an ethernet cable?
[4:23] <[Saint]> I mean, we can pile on convoluted ideas if you want.
[4:23] <[Saint]> just sayin'.
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[4:23] <kjar> Saint: no reason really other than it's a second wire. I was hoping I could get a tty over the usb from my laptop that's also providing power
[4:23] <[Saint]> pi, laptop, CAT cable, dnsmasq, done.
[4:23] <oq> kjar: the pi needs internet? Or do you just want ssh access?
[4:24] <[Saint]> I assumed the latter, just wanted access.
[4:24] <kjar> oq: good point, all I really want is SSH access to it
[4:24] <[Saint]> andeven so it could get Internet through the laptop.
[4:24] <[Saint]> (assuming it had it)
[4:25] <oq> kjar: I don't think you can do that with the pi2, I think you can only do it on the zero because its an otg port
[4:25] <[Saint]> kjar: none of the pi models except the Zero have data lines on the microUSB.
[4:25] <kjar> Saint: ok got it.
[4:25] <oq> [Saint]: on some pis you can backpower through usb ;)
[4:25] <oq> not exactly recommended though
[4:26] <[Saint]> I'm aware.
[4:26] <[Saint]> Not sure how that fits into my statement though.
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[5:27] <jackcom> if you buy pi, then you are full dude
[5:28] <jackcom> :(
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[5:29] <oq> huh
[5:29] <jackcom> oq: you buy it already?
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[5:29] <oq> jackcom: buy what?
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[5:29] <jackcom> pi
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[5:30] <oq> jackcom: I bought the first pi when it came out
[5:30] <jackcom> full DUDE
[5:30] <jackcom> lol
[5:31] <TheJackofClubs> i saw that microcenter had pi 3's for $30, so i bought my first pi on impulse today, having trouble trying to get it to boot
[5:31] <oq> TheJackofClubs: what os did you use?
[5:32] <TheJackofClubs> god dammit, nevermind, it just booted
[5:32] <jackcom> TheJackofClubs: why?
[5:32] <jackcom> there a many good computer.
[5:32] <jackcom> and laptop
[5:32] <TheJackofClubs> that always happens, i ask for help and then it works
[5:32] <TheJackofClubs> im running noobs right now :)
[5:33] <Zardoz> yuk noobs
[5:33] <oq> noobs is rubbish, I don't know why they promote it as *the* one to use
[5:33] <oq> when installing raspbian is so easy
[5:34] <jackcom> TheJackofClubs: just buy laptop
[5:35] <TheJackofClubs> i have plenty of laptops :P
[5:35] <jackcom> why you want to use suck instead of nice one? TheJackofClubs ?
[5:36] <TheJackofClubs> i have no idea what language you are speaking :P
[5:37] <jackcom> I m live in NewYork, country guy :P
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[5:37] <joe7dust> hmm thats weird my chat was chat I wondering why it was so damned quiet haha
[5:37] <oq> TheJackofClubs: I think hes trying to troll
[5:37] <joe7dust> stuck*
[5:37] <TheJackofClubs> probably
[5:38] <TheJackofClubs> so is noobs just temporary? i was wondering if it was some kind of multiboot thing
[5:38] <oq> TheJackofClubs: berryboot is the multiboot one
[5:38] <joe7dust> If anyone here could add their input on my project I would really appreciate it. Mainly just trying to be sure I ordered everything I'll need to make the RetroPie player in a GBA SP shell. :) https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=78&t=150781
[5:38] <TheJackofClubs> ah
[5:39] <oq> joe7dust: there are boosters with micro usb inputs which you can use to recharge lithium-ions
[5:39] <jackcom> Windows 10 loT core is real windows 10?
[5:39] <TheJackofClubs> i have a lot to learn, im semi familiar with arduino (as in the more i learn the less i know)
[5:40] <Zardoz> jackcom: yes it windows 10 IoT
[5:40] <jackcom> i have no money to buy windows 10, if Windows 10 loT core is real windows, then i want to use it.
[5:40] <TheJackofClubs> im not sure windows 10 iot does anything
[5:40] <DWKnight> win10 iot is not real windows
[5:40] <oq> isn't IoT cli?
[5:40] <Zardoz> jackcom: it's Wiindows 10 IoT
[5:40] <jackcom> windows 10 l0t is not windows 10?
[5:40] <joe7dust> oq I was just going to solder 2 wires from the booster to the powered usb port
[5:41] <Zardoz> no it's windows 10 IoT
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[5:41] <joe7dust> oq if its just a matter of convenience I'll have to try that next time. The parts with ebay links were already bought
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[5:42] <jackcom> what difference? Zardoz ?
[5:43] <oq> jackcom: lookup windows embedded, IoT is just a rebranding of that
[5:44] <jackcom> i don’t know :(
[5:44] <jackcom> oq: then i can use ms office on windows l0T?
[5:44] <oq> jackcom: know, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Embedded
[5:45] <joe7dust> oq you could help the most by commenting on the audio stuff near the bottom
[5:45] <oq> joe7dust: you get definitely get the pi zero audio hat
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[5:46] <joe7dust> hm?
[5:46] <oq> joe7dust: https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/phat-dac
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[5:46] <joe7dust> jesus that is huge
[5:46] <joe7dust> and expensive
[5:47] <joe7dust> not looking for high quality audio, if it just beeped at different tons like a 1990s IBM internal speaker I'd be happy
[5:47] <joe7dust> look at the speaker I'm using :P
[5:47] <joe7dust> tones*
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[5:57] <joe7dust> so I take it you don't know anything about cheap alternatives to the phatdac?
[5:57] <joe7dust> i found a guide on building my own PWM audio but it requires some resistors/capacitors and such. Not really to get that involevvd..
[5:57] <Zardoz> the only ones I have see are a lot more.
[5:58] <joe7dust> I'm hoping I can just connect teh amp and speaker and be good to go
[5:58] <joe7dust> if i have to add in a few components like res/cap i guess that is fine
[5:58] <nebadon> http://www.amazon.com/Sabrent-External-Adapter-Windows-AU-MMSA/dp/B00IRVQ0F8?ie=UTF8&keywords=usb%20sound%20card&qid=1465358323&ref_=sr_1_3&sr=8-3
[5:58] <nebadon> lol
[5:59] <joe7dust> another option is to use a USB DAC
[5:59] <oq> joe7dust: I've seen a couple projects with those usb dacas
[5:59] <oq> *dacs
[5:59] <joe7dust> but I want to keep the USB free'd up for file transfer later on
[6:00] <Zardoz> https://www.hifiberry.com/
[6:00] <oq> but a cheap hub too? Take it apart shove it inside?
[6:00] <oq> *buy
[6:00] <oq> Zardoz: he's building one of those gameboy clones with a pi zero, that might be a *tad* too big
[6:00] <Zardoz> oh
[6:00] <Zardoz> phat best option
[6:01] <oq> yeah
[6:01] <joe7dust> I dont really have a need for more than 1 usb port tbh... unless the usb dac turns out the be the hands down cheapest and easiest audio solution and I decide on having a 2nd port for file transfer. Another option for file transfer would be a wifi adapter but I saw that in order to input your wifi password you'd need ahub
[6:01] <oq> joe7dust: https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0270/0585/products/HubZeroMounted_2048x2048.JPG?v=1454775843?
[6:01] <CoJaBo> joe7dust: You can configure wifi offline if you really wanted to
[6:02] <joe7dust> too thick
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[6:02] <joe7dust> everything except the LCD needs to fit in the bottom half of GBA SP
[6:02] <oq> joe7dust: it doesn't have to be mounted like that, it uses cables you solder to connect
[6:03] <joe7dust> it still looks absolutely humungous. I'm sure there is some cheap and simple audio solution, will just be wired to a spare internal laptop speaker
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[6:04] <oq> it's not like they left extra gpio holes for audio out like they did with composite video
[6:04] <joe7dust> i heard they did actually and its called PWM
[6:04] <joe7dust> but it requires some components
[6:04] <gnikc2> Hey, is the default raspbian kernel compiled with apparmor support?
[6:04] <joe7dust> https://learn.adafruit.com/introducing-the-raspberry-pi-zero/audio-outputs
[6:05] <nebadon> i wonder if you could directly soldert a usb sound card to the gpio ports?
[6:05] <joe7dust> that would be cool
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[6:05] <nebadon> http://www.modmypi.com/raspberry-pi/accessories/xbmc-media-and-sound/usb-sound-adapter-for-the-raspberry-pi
[6:05] <nebadon> something like this
[6:05] <joe7dust> if not, then solder it to the actual usb port
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[6:05] <joe7dust> and just not have file transfer as an option at all
[6:05] <joe7dust> meaning the entire device would have to be disassembled and SD pulled out for such things
[6:06] <Zardoz> I was going to ask why not use the analog audio from the pi zero
[6:06] <nebadon> if not maybe you could transfer files over serial connection
[6:06] <nebadon> if its just roms they should be fairly small
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[6:06] <joe7dust> but if I load all the roms and everything I need software wise onto the sdcard then i might be able to get away with having transfer functionality once fully completed
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[6:06] <oq> joe7dust: why don't you extend the usb port to the edge of the case and then plug it that adaptor nebadon linked when you want audio
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[6:07] <oq> then you can see use it for file transfer
[6:07] <joe7dust> I want the entire thing to look as stock as possible. I am not planning to implement a headphone jack however, was just going to have it play from an internal laptop speaker
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[6:07] <martin290> hey everyone
[6:07] <gnikc2> Hi.
[6:08] <martin290> hows it going
[6:08] <Zardoz> I am happy they took the sping load out of the SD card slot on the pi 3
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[6:09] <martin290> Zardoz: why is that? was there issues with it?
[6:09] <Zardoz> alright be back in a little (maybe)...
[6:09] <oq> martin290: it stops the tiny microsd from being flung across the room
[6:10] <Zardoz> yeah you would hit it somthings and out pops the sdcard as it gors flying off.
[6:10] <martin290> oq: ooohhh thats a good point
[6:10] <oq> I wish my pi zero pimoroni case had sd card accesss
[6:10] <Zardoz> ok, be back in a little
[6:10] <nebadon> yea the first day i got my pi i shot my brand new 32gb SD card like 4 feet and then couldnt find it for like 10 minutes
[6:10] <nebadon> lol
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[6:11] <martin290> nebadon: haha i could see how that could be a problem
[6:11] <oq> at least the cards are flush now
[6:11] <martin290> that is good
[6:11] <oq> I ended up cutting an sd card in half for my first pi
[6:12] <CoJaBo> lol
[6:12] <martin290> cutting it in half?
[6:12] <CoJaBo> To make it shorter
[6:12] <CoJaBo> Most cards, the chip doesn't extend past the contacts
[6:12] <oq> martin290: yeah, when microsd cards became a thing they just used the same internals and most of the sd card was just empty plastic
[6:12] <CoJaBo> It's 90% plastic
[6:13] <martin290> didn't know that
[6:13] <martin290> good to know!
[6:13] <oq> old sd cards did use it all though
[6:13] <CoJaBo> Hold it up to a light first to verify tho :P
[6:13] <[Saint]> finding actual oldschool low density SD cards these days is like finding rooster teeth.
[6:13] <[Saint]> as stated, they're all uSD in SD clothing these days.
[6:13] <martin290> do larger size sd cards use up more space in the SD card shell than smaller cards (like 16gb vs 128gb)?
[6:14] <oq> probabaly not
[6:14] <[Saint]> No.
[6:14] <CoJaBo> martin290: No, they aren't even different dies
[6:14] <oq> you can get 200gb microsd cards now
[6:14] * CoJaBo has one of the 200GB ones
[6:14] <martin290> thats crazy
[6:14] <oq> CoJaBo: I'd hate to lose one of those
[6:14] <CoJaBo> martin290: 200GB die, and only 2GB of it is good? Sold as a 2GB card.
[6:14] <CoJaBo> oq: Can confirm, lost it once
[6:15] <[Saint]> see 'binning'.
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[6:15] <oq> CoJaBo: wait you have a fake 200gb one or the real sandisk 200gb one?
[6:15] <gnikc2> Wow. Quality.
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[6:15] <[Saint]> allmost all CPUs are done like this also.
[6:15] <joe7dust> I bought a128gb for 7$ knew tha was too good to be true
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[6:15] <[Saint]> CPUs just get scaled back to the highest stable clock they reach.
[6:15] <joe7dust> if you try to put more than 7.9gb on at a time the files get corrrupt
[6:15] <[Saint]> Sometimes perfectly good CPUs are clocked at lesser rates just to meet demand.
[6:16] <CoJaBo> oq: real; got it from amazon, so tested it first to make sure it wasn't a looped
[6:16] <joe7dust> so I just formatted it to 7.5 and I'm using it, kind of happy about it
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[6:16] <joe7dust> helps that the seller gave full refund and didn't ask for it back :D
[6:16] <CoJaBo> [Saint]: SD cards are sold at the highest possible capacity
[6:16] <joe7dust> so if you guys want a shot at a free 8gb card you might try getting some of those suspiciously cheap 128s :)
[6:16] <oq> joe7dust: their selling rating is probably worth more than the $7
[6:16] <[Saint]> CoJaBo: not always.
[6:16] <joe7dust> exactl.y
[6:16] <CoJaBo> [Saint]: It's just that it isn't uncommon to get dies that are 99% defective
[6:18] <joe7dust> how the fuck does a hot pocket go bad
[6:18] <CoJaBo> wat
[6:18] <gnikc2> lol
[6:18] <joe7dust> i think my freezerr must be set too low or something :(
[6:18] <joe7dust> the texture is way off
[6:18] <CoJaBo> that is an impressive level of fail
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[6:18] <gnikc2> Too low? You mean too high, freezing harder shouldn't cause trouble.
[6:19] <joe7dust> you know what i mean :P
[6:19] <joe7dust> low as in low power, less effort required by the freezer not low temp
[6:19] <gnikc2> True. By the way, don't risk food poisoning. The medication is way more expensive than hot pockets.
[6:19] <oq> if its too low and your freezer is awful it might be continously freezing and defrosting
[6:19] <joe7dust> well what happened was i just moved
[6:19] <joe7dust> so it thawed a bit and i refroze
[6:19] <[Saint]> gnikc2: very low temperatures absolutely ruin pretty much any foodstuffs.
[6:20] <joe7dust> the filling is not too bad but the crust is prtty bad
[6:20] <joe7dust> its like chewy and mushy all at once in different spots
[6:20] <[Saint]> anything with a sufficiently high water content will be absolutely destroyed by temperatures much past -12~18C.
[6:20] <gnikc2> [Saint]: I'd wager that's true for the texture, but I suspect they woudn't be dangerous to eat.
[6:20] <joe7dust> welp if i die you know why
[6:20] <[Saint]> Oh, no. Absolutely.
[6:21] <[Saint]> Fine to eat, it'll just maybe be a...paste.
[6:21] <oq> joe7dust: as long as you cooked it thoroughly you should be fine
[6:21] <gnikc2> Hm, I'll keep that in mind.
[6:21] <ali1234> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVza_AnhQ3E
[6:21] <CoJaBo> Spoiled food isn't safe when cooked tho
[6:21] <joe7dust> i just scraped the ham chucnks and chez out, crust is goin to the dog lol
[6:21] <gnikc2> Yeah, bacterial toxins remain, and some shit like botulinum spores just survive anyway.
[6:22] <oq> CoJaBo: why not? the mould is good for you, like penicillin :P
[6:22] <martin290> does anyone use the pi as a web server?
[6:22] <oq> martin290: probably 60% of people who have pis
[6:22] <[Saint]> gnikc2: I think the premise around it is the formation of ice crystals which destroys cells in a way that you might expect them to.
[6:22] <joe7dust> cojabo if you've ever tried to freeze potato salad you'ld get what im saying
[6:22] <martin290> oq: do you know what most people use as the "P" (php)?
[6:22] <gnikc2> martin290: I'm actually planning to, which is why I was asking about apparmor kernel flags. I don't want a webfacing thing without MAC.
[6:22] <joe7dust> the texture of the starch is just way off
[6:22] <[Saint]> a bunch of 'lil ice knifes shankin' your hotpocket up.
[6:23] <joe7dust> but it doesn't affect the ham/chz for some reason
[6:23] <gnikc2> [Saint]: I like that way of describing it.
[6:23] <oq> martin290: P as in LEMP?
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[6:23] <ali1234> hot pocket crust isn't cells tho
[6:23] <martin290> oq: i thought it was LAMP lol
[6:23] <martin290> but yeah, that
[6:23] <oq> martin290: apache is a bloated pig, use nginx for a pi
[6:24] <joe7dust> it could also be a problem with my microwave being too strong... the middle was still frozen and outsides got hard
[6:24] <martin290> oq: that's what i use now :) i used to use apache
[6:24] <oq> E = nginx
[6:24] <martin290> oh ok i didn't know that
[6:24] <oq> because its pronounced engine-x
[6:24] <martin290> aahhhhh
[6:24] <[Saint]> joe7dust: you can make a grid array out of fax paper to live visualize hot/cool spots in your microwaves output.
[6:24] <martin290> i think i was totally butchering the name then
[6:24] <oq> martin290: I'd imagine they'd use whatever language they're familiar with, you can use pretty much any language server side
[6:25] <gnikc2> Depends on what you want to use and if it requires a server's specific functions.
[6:25] <oq> martin290: some people use php, some people use python, some javascript, some java
[6:25] <martin290> how about mono?
[6:25] <oq> sure
[6:26] <oq> it really doesn't matter
[6:26] <gnikc2> Speed and install-bloat, along with stylistic choice at this point.
[6:26] <gnikc2> You could do it in Lisp if you felt like it.
[6:26] <martin290> yeah, that's true
[6:27] <martin290> i was just curious what others have used... i know several languages, i feel like they all have their pros and cons, i just don't want to develop half of a web app/site and realize it would have been better in another language....
[6:27] <[Saint]> You could do it in any language if you hated yourself sufficiently.
[6:27] <martin290> lol
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[6:28] <joe7dust> so am I really going to have to buy a usb DAC to get audio on my project? :( I only have $6 left in my pp and I still need to buy the switches
[6:28] <ali1234> only if you want microphone
[6:28] <joe7dust> i dont
[6:28] <[Saint]> joe7dust: are you not aware that the 3.5mm out on the Pis carries audio?
[6:29] <joe7dust> i just need super basic 8 bit or 16bit sound thru an old laptop speaker
[6:29] <nebadon> does pi zero have that?
[6:29] <joe7dust> zero doesn't
[6:29] <oq> [Saint]: read up
[6:29] <joe7dust> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=78&t=150781 loook near the bottom
[6:29] <gnikc2> joe7dust: You could always try looking around on local classified-ads sites for busted electronics that might contain components you want.
[6:29] <nebadon> ya i havent looked much at the zero but i didnt think it did
[6:30] <oq> why is everyone making those gameboy clones nowadays?
[6:30] <[Saint]> wait, what?
[6:30] <ali1234> because it's pretty easy
[6:30] <[Saint]> Zero still has the composite header, no?
[6:30] <[Saint]> Just unpopulated.
[6:30] <ali1234> and you can steal loads of games for free
[6:30] <ali1234> :(
[6:30] <joe7dust> the 2 pins on the composite are for video i think
[6:31] <oq> won't it be such a pain manually shutting it down via cli otherwise you risk ruining the sd card?
[6:31] <ali1234> not really no
[6:31] <ali1234> just add a power switch
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[6:32] <joe7dust> speakeasy.net .. that sounds like a cool isp you got there methuzla
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[6:33] <gnikc2> lol, I'm out of luck. The kernel config's gone, the /proc/config.gz is gone. I have absolutely no way to know the right kernel flags are enabled without flat-out compiling a new one myself. :/
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[6:42] <gnikc2> So, what kind of projects have you done with your raspi?
[6:44] <joe7dust> I've actually never used a pi at all and never owned a GBA SP, but I have balls of steel so I'm jumping straight into this: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=78&t=150781
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[6:45] <joe7dust> the way I see it is if I can repair an Ipad 2 and laptop motherboard components I should be good ;)
[6:46] <gnikc2> Which was the most difficult?
[6:46] <joe7dust> piad
[6:46] <joe7dust> ipad*
[6:46] <ali1234> i built a robot car and a giant LED clock
[6:46] <gnikc2> Makes sense.
[6:46] <joe7dust> fucking grinding the glass away is a pain they glue them on like crazy, totally not designed to be serviced
[6:46] <gnikc2> Hm, fun.
[6:47] <gnikc2> joe7dust: Ouch, that's worse than I expected.
[6:47] <joe7dust> it took like 6 hours my first time, got it down to mayb 2 hrs by the 5th one
[6:47] <joe7dust> i plan to spend 5-10 hrs on the projeect i linked
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[6:48] <joe7dust> oh and platter swap on HDD that was a pretty high difficulty job, wasn't a success tho
[6:48] <joe7dust> guess those 'clean rooms' really are required lmao
[6:48] <CoJaBo> lol
[6:49] <gnikc2> Damn.
[6:49] <CoJaBo> I opened an HDD once; it ran fine afterwards
[6:49] <joe7dust> yea 1 spec of dust on your platter you're screwed
[6:49] <CoJaBo> for a while, anyway
[6:49] <joe7dust> yea the goal was to run it long enough to recover data
[6:49] <CoJaBo> Hard to tell what killed it really, the motor was already bad
[6:49] <joe7dust> because the original spindle motor was seizer
[6:49] <joe7dust> seized* ... but i never could get any data off the newly assembled HDD
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[6:52] <[Saint]> One thing a lot of people don;t realize is that the screws holding on the faceplate of a platter based HDD are tightened to a VERY specific torque.
[6:52] <joe7dust> i used a special wrench that measures torque
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[6:52] <[Saint]> And getting even one of them badly out of spec can destroy the balance of the drive entirely.
[6:53] <joe7dust> and scotch tape to dab up any dust on the platter surface before closing the shell
[6:53] <CoJaBo> I need to get a torque wrench/driver
[6:53] <martin290> joe7dust: a torque wrench?
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[6:53] <joe7dust> i think the reason it didn't work is because i rotated the platter
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[6:54] <joe7dust> i found out later that it has to be EXACTLY like before, if you turn it 1 degree from original the data doesn't get read correctly
[6:54] <[Saint]> joe7dust: Next time, take a screwdriver and carve a great big X into the platter surface.
[6:54] <joe7dust> lol
[6:54] <[Saint]> Then you won't forget which side has the data
[6:54] <gnikc2> heh.
[6:54] <joe7dust> im not sure how soft paladium is
[6:54] <[Saint]> #shittytechtips
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[6:54] <joe7dust> might need a diamond tipped screwdriver for that :P
[6:54] <[Saint]> less so than tungsten.
[6:55] <[Saint]> pretty much any hardened tool'l put a gouge in it.
[6:55] <joe7dust> oh no i didn't flip it upside down
[6:55] <joe7dust> i mean the circular rotation
[6:55] <joe7dust> its not like aCD being stuck in a CD drive
[6:55] <joe7dust> it literally has a very specific orientation
[6:56] <[Saint]> it does, but unless you went out of your way to reverse the spindle motor I can't see how that could possibly happen.
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[6:56] <joe7dust> i still don't full understand it, i mean you can take a floppy disc open the shutter and spin the disc all you want
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[6:57] <[Saint]> and you can with an HDD too.
[6:57] <ali1234> the spindle on a floppy is keyed for one thing
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[6:57] <ali1234> not that it matters
[6:57] <joe7dust> and cds can be put in any various of 360 degrees also
[6:58] <ali1234> hard drive doesnt care about the orientation
[6:58] <joe7dust> but if you do a platter swap and don't put the new one in exactly the same circular rotation you're gonna hav ea bad time
[6:58] <[Saint]> An HDD will give precisely zero craps if you manually rotate the platter in any direction.
[6:58] <joe7dust> well mine did :P
[6:58] <[Saint]> No, it didn't.
[6:58] <[Saint]> That's what we call observational/causaul bias.
[6:58] <ali1234> it broke because you can't just swap the platters on any drive made in the past 20 years
[6:58] <joe7dust> im not talking about spinning it while all the internals are assembled
[6:59] <[Saint]> spinning it _period_ doesn't matter.
[6:59] <[Saint]> and, what ali1234 said,
[6:59] <joe7dust> i mean i took out the giant washer looking thing (platter) and put it in the donor drive in a different circular angle
[6:59] <[Saint]> unless it was the same drive type exactly, like within the same batch, it would never work.
[6:59] <joe7dust> exact same model of drive and same circuit board
[6:59] <joe7dust> it was a 160GB samsung
[6:59] <ali1234> the drives are calibrated in firmware for the platters
[6:59] <joe7dust> and I still got most of the money I had quoted for the job because I was very upfront about having to charge whether or not it was a success
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[7:00] <[Saint]> and, yes, ali1234 is right again. they're calibrated after the fact.
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[7:00] <ali1234> also, same model does not mean same firmware
[7:00] <[Saint]> so _even if_ you drop it into an identical donor, it probably won't work.
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[7:01] <joe7dust> all i know is there are people who know how to do it
[7:01] <joe7dust> so flashing the firmware or something i didn't try must have been needed
[7:01] <ali1234> yes and there is a reason why their services are well beyond what most people are willing to pay
[7:01] <[Saint]> yes, people in a laboratory setting with laser calibration.
[7:01] <joe7dust> there is also a machine you can just stick the platter in
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[7:01] <[Saint]> not Joe User guy.
[7:01] <ali1234> yeah it's called an electron microscope :)
[7:02] <[Saint]> Yep.
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[7:02] <[Saint]> Joe User attempting data recovery on a failed drive is hilarious.
[7:02] <[Saint]> Frankly.
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[7:02] <ali1234> actually surprisingly cheap these days
[7:02] <joe7dust> you're saying that lasers and microscopes are needed to do a platter swap?
[7:03] <[Saint]> If you want the drive to actually work, most often, yes.
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[7:03] <[Saint]> If it "works" after the fact, it won;t for long.
[7:03] <joe7dust> i've done all sorts of data recovery with success, just platter swap wasn't one of them
[7:03] <joe7dust> circuit board swaps, deleted/formatted/corrupt mbr surre
[7:03] <[Saint]> yes - for the reasons outlines above.
[7:03] <ali1234> all you really need is a clean room and someone to reverse engineer the drive calibration systems
[7:04] <[Saint]> Joe User isn;t ever doing a platter swap at home.
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[7:04] <ali1234> alternatively read the raw platters with some machine you built
[7:04] <joe7dust> i know the donor drive will fail after a time due to contaminants, but i was planning to have it run for a short time just to copy the data off to a 3rd drive
[7:05] <[Saint]> getting it within tolerances to even do that by hand and eye alone would be a miracle.
[7:05] <[Saint]> that's the point.
[7:05] <ali1234> it was possible 20 years ago
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[7:05] <ali1234> things have changed since then
[7:05] * [Saint] nods
[7:06] <ali1234> like drives are now 1000x larger for one thing
[7:06] <joe7dust> i still think it had to do with me not paying attention to the circular rotation angle of the platter (had no idea it mattered), but if an identical model of circuit board and drive model isn't enough because they could have different firmware then perhaps that was it
[7:06] <gnikc2> Wouldn't an electron microscope just allow reading all the <forgot the name> off the drive?
[7:06] <gnikc2> And get a raw data?
[7:06] <ali1234> gnikc2: sure
[7:06] <gnikc2> Alright, thanks.
[7:07] <ali1234> the trouble is though you would read off like 1 bit per second or something ridiculous like that
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[7:07] <joe7dust> i wonder if macs are still insanely easy to bypass security on.. i should get back into that biz it was crazy ez money most of ht etime
[7:08] <joe7dust> like 15 min of work? sure thanks for the 50 bukcs
[7:08] <gnikc2> ali1234: Yeah, I figured that would be the case if you couldn't automate the process.
[7:09] <joe7dust> the only thing i never figured out in that field was cracking 256-aes file vaults
[7:09] <ali1234> lol
[7:09] <joe7dust> and i dont think the NSA could even do it at the time
[7:10] <joe7dust> but supposedly some ex apple guy did it on one after i had tried and failed
[7:10] <gnikc2> Cracking? Doubtful. Side-channel attack? Probable.
[7:11] <joe7dust> man I tried SO hard to connect with him, offered the customer cash to hook me up with him
[7:11] <joe7dust> apparently he cracked it somehow in like 5 minutes
[7:12] <CoJaBo> Just because something says AES doesn't mean its secure.
[7:12] <CoJaBo> I've personally cracked 2 AES implementations
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[7:13] <gnikc2> Implementation is the place where most people fail.
[7:13] <joe7dust> it was 256 bit encrypted file vault on a mac, i was able to restore access to the computer by creating a new admin account but the file vault was still lockd
[7:13] <CoJaBo> A lot of AES thumbdrives are also trivial to crack
[7:13] <CoJaBo> One guy literally just used an xacto knife rofl
[7:14] <gnikc2> lolwt?
[7:14] <joe7dust> think they ended up giving me like $15 instead of $50 since I couldn't gget to those files and then an ex apple guy got into the vault for $40 in 5 min
[7:14] <CoJaBo> Cut the WE pin to the flash
[7:14] <CoJaBo> You then have infinite tries to guess the password, which turned out to be static in that case.
[7:15] <joe7dust> rainbow tables anyone? XD
[7:15] <gnikc2> joe7dust: xx:14 Suspicion -> Backdoor.
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[7:16] <CoJaBo> MS Office password protection was even more amusing
[7:16] <CoJaBo> I opened and edited a file (in LibreOffice) without ever knowing it had a password on it; it's just an attribute saved in the file that only MSOffice checks
[7:17] <joe7dust> apprently xx-14 is a disc lock for motorcycles lol
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[7:18] <gnikc2> Eh, was using that as a timezone-blanked minute indicator.
[7:18] <CoJaBo> wat
[7:18] <gnikc2> HH:MM <-> XX:14
[7:19] <joe7dust> since we're on the subject of apple backdoors that whole thing in the news seemed like a joke to me
[7:19] <joe7dust> i don't see how they'd need to push the update to ALL ios devices, why not just have a fake cell tower radio push in inside a faraday room
[7:20] <joe7dust> they claimed to not want to do it because it would affect everyone elses phone, but im sure it could be localized that way
[7:22] <joe7dust> i wonder if creating your own cell tower would be illegal under teh same law as pirate radio stations
[7:22] <gnikc2> Apple claimed that? If so, while my first reaction is claiming they're worried about infiltrators obtaining re-usable backdoor code, I'm really skeptical of their whole 'defender of privacy' thing.
[7:22] <gnikc2> In the US a part of the GSM band overlaps with HAM radio.
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[7:22] <gnikc2> You can operate on that legally, though no encryption.
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[7:23] <joe7dust> the feds wanted apple to push an ios update that would remove the number of tries possible at the lock screen
[7:23] <gnikc2> DEFCON 18 had a talk about that.
[7:23] <oq> joe7dust: the fbi already have tens of thousands of fake cell towers
[7:23] <gnikc2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU8hg4FTm0g
[7:23] <oq> they call it stingray
[7:23] <joe7dust> and they claimed they wouldn't do it because it would be affecting the security of all users and the only way to do it would be to push it to all devices
[7:24] <joe7dust> which sounds like a steaming pile of BS when they could just use a small signal inside a shielded room
[7:24] <gnikc2> I would assume code exfiltration, but that's bullshit because since when do corporations care about other people's privacy?
[7:25] <joe7dust> it could probably even be done without special hardware by localizing it to a single tower also, although that would still probably affect thousands of users
[7:25] <[Saint]> Hell, no need for the FBI or NSA.
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[7:25] <[Saint]> You or I can buy an IMSI catcher direct import from China.
[7:25] <gnikc2> Stingray is massively overpriced bs. You can build the same thing for a thousandth of the sale-price.
[7:25] <[Saint]> Precisely.
[7:25] <[Saint]> No need to build it, even.
[7:26] <[Saint]> But it off the shelf direct.
[7:26] <[Saint]> *Buy
[7:26] <[Saint]> The idea that only government agencies use this technology is laughable.
[7:27] <[Saint]> they were just the meatheads that accidentally brought it to public eye and gave it a catchy codename.
[7:27] <[Saint]> IMSI catching existed for years prior in a sketchy grey area.
[7:27] <joe7dust> im guessing the default "privacy mode" has no affect on that?
[7:27] <gnikc2> Amusingly, advances in facial recognition are making undercover work quite difficult now.
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[7:28] <gnikc2> Privacy mode? If you're a cellphone and you connect to my tower, I can essentially say "don't use encryption", and the cellphone will comply.
[7:29] <[Saint]> Mhm.
[7:29] <joe7dust> it doesn't sound like something that is overly secure, but I know on android you can turn on privacy mode which supposedly encrypts the calls
[7:29] <gnikc2> Now getting connected to rather than to other towers is a bit more troublesome as you need a certain degree of sync with other towers and signal strength, but that can be spoofed.
[7:29] <gnikc2> That youtube link I sent tells pretty much everything you need to know to get started.
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[7:30] <[Saint]> "Sir, we have the warrant to intercept Johnny Uptonogood's cellular traffic"
[7:30] <[Saint]> >"Awww...he turned on Privacy Mode"
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[7:30] <[Saint]> "Well, lets go home, boys"
[7:30] <[Saint]> Said no one ever. Probably.
[7:31] <gnikc2> And even if he did do something like pass calls via a secured VoIP bridge, well... I'm doubtful the rubberhose method doesn't get used.
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[7:33] <joe7dust> did you say this imsi catching is legal ? o_O
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[7:34] <joe7dust> i know stealing cable is illegal, but just found out the other day that if airwaves are passing through your property you're free to do whatever you want. like people out there steal satelite tv this way
[7:34] <gnikc2> Gray area, depends on if the judge decides it's computer misuse or not, I suspect.
[7:34] <[Saint]> Right.
[7:34] <gnikc2> I mean, if you have a license for HAM and aren't encryption stuff (wink), you could be in the clear.
[7:34] <gnikc2> s/encryption/encrypting/
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[7:35] <gnikc2> Implying you're broadcasting in the HAM-overlap bandwidth, naturally.
[7:35] <[Saint]> I think it boils down to a judges interpretation of a reasonable expectation of privacy.
[7:35] <joe7dust> 880-914 MHz whatever that is
[7:35] <[Saint]> You'd almost certainly lose, but, you could try.
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[7:36] <[Saint]> "If they didn't want me to sniff their data, they should've kept their radio waves out of my air!"
[7:36] <[Saint]> ...probably not a solid defence, lol.
[7:36] <joe7dust> it amazes me high how 99% of consumers keep their wifi routers at
[7:36] <gnikc2> Well, the imsi-catcher is a bit more clearcut as you impersonated a system to get them to hand-over their data.
[7:36] <[Saint]> The hardware itself, here at least, isn't regulated.
[7:36] <[Saint]> What I might use it for is.
[7:36] <gnikc2> If they sent data over the air unencrypted... they have no expectation of privacy if you simply sniffed passively.
[7:36] <joe7dust> so stupid to havev your radio all the way up and going half a block away
[7:37] <gnikc2> Eh, not like it makes a difference. You can use someone else's wifi from a few kilometers away with ideal conditions and a cantenna or wokfi.
[7:38] <gnikc2> The trick here being: Ideal conditions.
[7:39] <joe7dust> seems pretty antiquated for them to require you not to use encryption... its like saying you don't have a right to privacyy
[7:40] <gnikc2> I do not know the reasoning behind the protocol design.
[7:41] <joe7dust> like it doesn't make sense to me how the FCC says you can't broadcast an encrypted HAM signal, yet people are allowed to host websites that use P2P encryption and broadcast that worldwide
[7:42] <gnikc2> Well, it has to do with the reasoning behind the existence of the HAM bands existing at all.
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[7:42] <gnikc2> That being experimentation and learning. You aren't actually supposed to do much other than that. Which doesn't stop number stations, natch.
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[8:50] <joe7dust> looks like I'm going to use the USB DAC option on my project, now I just need to find one that is $5 after shipping to US lol
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[8:56] <[Saint]> Ha!
[8:59] <joe7dust> so far the only ones have up to 20 business day shipping
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[9:07] <k_sze[work]> wow
[9:08] <k_sze[work]> why can't I do `sudo echo 'avoid_warnings=1' >> /boot/config.txt`?
[9:08] <k_sze[work]> But I can do `sudo nano /boot/config.txt`
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[9:10] <k_sze[work]> nvm
[9:10] <ShorTie> maybe try moving the echo to the other side of the >>
[9:11] <ShorTie> maybe try moving the sudo to the other side of the >>
[9:11] <k_sze[work]> Because it's the shell doing the redirection.
[9:11] <[Saint]> right.
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[9:11] <k_sze[work]> sudo sh -c 'echo ...' should solve it.
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[10:34] <sulaiman> Hello. Can the raspberrypi's GPIO pins be connected to a relay that is used to switch on/off an external device that uses 240V?
[10:34] <Japa> Yes
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[10:36] <sulaiman> does it depend on the kind of relay I use? or any would do? I am looking at PiFace Digital (http://www.piface.org.uk/products/piface_digital/ )
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[10:37] <sulaiman> in its specs, it is mentioned "*Relays can be used to switch voltages up to 20V (Max) or currents up to 5A (Max)"
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[10:38] <Japa> Anything is possible, in zombocom
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[10:40] <sulaiman> Sorry if my questions are silly. I have a software background, new to hardware
[10:40] <Japa> with enough electronics, you can switch over any voltage you want.
[10:40] <Japa> but you'd have to do some research
[10:41] <Drzacek> you can always use 2 relays, small controlled by rpi, then big one controlled by the smaller
[10:41] <Japa> Also transistors
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[10:45] <gordonDrogon> sulaiman, PiFace is easy and works. Others might not, but whatever you use, you need some sort of buffer/isolator as the Pi's 3.3v output can not directly drive a relay. good luck!
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[10:47] <gordonDrogon> sulaiman, the relays on the PiFace will swtich 240v, however I question the sanity of connecting 240v that close to the Pi... I suspect they just put 20v to cover themselves now ...
[10:48] <joe7dust> what what... ? 240 volts + pi = ???
[10:48] <gordonDrogon> I use SSRs (Solid State Relays) and am controlling many systems with them - some 4.7Kw heaters ...
[10:48] <sulaiman> gordonDrogon, I have read that a fuse can be used to prevent the Pi from frying up.
[10:48] <gordonDrogon> sulaiman, nothing will protect a Pi when 240v lands on it. Nothing.
[10:49] <joe7dust> does that relay need to be a fully functioning computer? sounds like an arduino job
[10:49] <gordonDrogon> if you're switching mains, then I strongly suggest one of the USB connected power switchers. They look like normal 13A extention leads, but the outlets can be turned on/off via a signal down the USB cable.
[10:50] <gordonDrogon> especially if you've no hardware experience. that way there is no exposed mains for you to muck about with.,
[10:50] <Japa> joe7dust, if you want, say, web-enabled room lights, a pi is perfect.
[10:50] <joe7dust> i guess it makes sense now that the zero is $5
[10:51] <joe7dust> but when it was a $3 arduino vs a $30 pi I dont see why you'd need it
[10:51] <Japa> arduino can't host a webserver
[10:51] <gordonDrogon> fugure in the cost to put an arduino on wi-fi...
[10:52] <gordonDrogon> Japa, actually, it can - just very very slowly, with limited content..
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[10:53] <gordonDrogon> I can't find the power outlets I'm thiking of, but this is the next best thing: http://www.ebay.co.uk/bhp/usb-relay-controller
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[10:53] <gordonDrogon> still has exposed mains voltage though.
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[10:55] <ddvlad> hi all. is it feasible to use raspberry pi for linux kernel development?
[10:56] <ddvlad> by which i mean: does it easily run the latest upstream, or are there many closed source/out of tree drivers involved?
[10:56] <gordonDrogon> this: http://www.pic-control.com/usb-controlled-power-socket/
[10:56] <gordonDrogon> ddvlad, compiling might be a bit slow for you ...
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[10:57] <ddvlad> gordonDrogon: i can use incremental compiling or even cross compile on my machine
[10:57] <ddvlad> what i need is a machine with an exposed i2c bus
[10:57] <Japa> Is it possible to cross-compile to rpi from windows?
[10:58] <ddvlad> and all i have is a laptop running linux and a raspberry pi :)
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[10:58] <sulaiman> gordonDrogon, that usb controlled power socket looks like something I should use, how would a raspberrypi communicate with it though?
[10:59] <sulaiman> 'virtual serial communication' just read
[10:59] <gordonDrogon> ddvlad, the linux kernel uses Makefiles - so touching one file and re-compilng is reasonably quick - but not as fast as on a multi-core intel thingy.
[10:59] <gordonDrogon> sulaiman, most of them look like a serial port, just open it and send a few control bytes to ut.
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[11:00] <ddvlad> especially off an sd card, i understand, gordonDrogon :)
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[11:01] <ddvlad> what i'm interested in is will the pi run off the latest kernel; the rest i can probably achieve via cross compiling
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[11:02] <sulaiman> gordonDrogon, thanks for all the information.
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[11:04] <gordonDrogon> ddvlad, I've a bit out of touch with the latest kernel - 4.4.something? I think the Pi's running that now ...
[11:04] <sulaiman> gordonDrogon, one more (hopefully not dumb) question. does it changes anything if my external device provides a 'dry contact'?
[11:05] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, Pi is 4.4.something latest is 4.5.6
[11:05] <ddvlad> oh, that's reasonably close
[11:05] <ddvlad> thanks for the tips, gordonDrogon!
[11:05] <Lartza> oh wait no latest is 4.6.2 now
[11:05] <Lartza> :P
[11:05] <Lartza> and 4.5.7 in the 4.5 line
[11:05] <Lartza> It updates so fast!
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[11:06] <binaryhermit> I think Raspbian only uses LTS kernel releases
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[11:06] <binaryhermit> well, in the default kernels
[11:06] <gordonDrogon> sulaiman, no diea - I'd need to see the specification of the device - it usualyl means you need to supply it with current/voltage to turn it on - ie. it's acting like a relay in its own right.
[11:06] <tommy``> guys is normal that pi-hole doesn't block youtube ads?
[11:07] * binaryhermit assumes you could compile any recent enough kernel version for the Pi
[11:08] <binaryhermit> but when you assume, you... nevermind
[11:08] <gordonDrogon> right. time to get back to the bakery.
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[11:12] <Lartza> binaryhermit, It's more that the foundation kernel is lts and raspbian uses that but yeah
[11:12] <oq> tommy``: pi-hole just blocks dns
[11:13] <tommy``> oq i tried surf anywhere, doesnt block all
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[11:37] <ap0calypse> morning, does anyone know if and how i can connect a display to a raspberry pi zero? which displays are there? are there any?
[11:37] <ap0calypse> it should be very low wattage
[11:39] <Lartza> You can use other rpi displays
[11:39] <Lartza> I am not sure if there are any zero specific
[11:39] <joe7dust> isn't there only 1 official, the 7inch
[11:39] <Lartza> And?
[11:40] <ap0calypse> so pitft should work?
[11:40] <Lartza> pitft should wrok yeah
[11:40] <ap0calypse> i could use the composite ports too i see
[11:40] <joe7dust> just wasn't sure if the s on the end is a typoe
[11:40] <joe7dust> like that e XD
[11:41] <Lartza> It wasn't a typo no
[11:41] <Lartza> There are multiple different displays made for the Pi's.
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[11:41] <Lartza> ap0calypse, Or HDMI sure, but most displays like that probably need external power
[11:42] <joe7dust> i was looking in the official display forum the other day and seemed to only have 1 model of 7"
[11:42] <ap0calypse> i want to make it a portable device for myself to use on the go
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[11:42] <ap0calypse> with a powerbank and a display
[11:42] <ap0calypse> thx guys
[11:42] <ap0calypse> just wanted to make sur
[11:42] <ap0calypse> e
[11:43] <Drzacek> ap0calypse, I use cheap 2.2 LCD from china
[11:43] <Lartza> joe7dust, That doesn't change my statement
[11:43] <Drzacek> with pitft
[11:43] <ap0calypse> Drzacek: ok
[11:43] <ap0calypse> thx
[11:43] <Lartza> joe7dust, There are still multiple different displays made for the RPi's
[11:43] <joe7dust> link?
[11:44] <Lartza> https://www.adafruit.com/product/1601
[11:44] <Lartza> https://www.adafruit.com/product/2097
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[11:44] <Lartza> http://www.ebay.com/bhp/raspberry-pi-lcd
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[11:44] <Lartza> https://www.amazon.com/Waveshare-Raspberry-LCD-Resistive-Interface/dp/B00Q4OPX9Y
[11:44] <Lartza> Enough different displays made for the RPi there for you?
[11:45] <joe7dust> never enough :P
[11:45] <Lartza> The official doesn't even work with the Zero afaik
[11:45] <Drzacek> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/2-2-Inch-SPI-TFT-LCD-Serial-Port-Module-Display-ILI9341-5V-3-3V-240x320-for/32593018174.html
[11:45] <Lartza> Drzacek, One thing to be vary with them is to get one that actually supports anything decent
[11:46] <Lartza> And not some crappy prebuilt kernel that the chinese manufacturer cobbled together
[11:46] <Lartza> Also isn't that display built kind of the wrong way around?
[11:46] <Drzacek> Lartza, I got that LCD from the link, it words with PiTFT raspbian from adafruit - tested it on RPi3 and PiZero
[11:46] <Lartza> You can't really use it as a HAT :S
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[11:47] <Lartza> Oh I guess because it's for Arduino
[11:47] <Drzacek> Lartza, because it is not a hat, as you can see, there is nothing about RPi - you have to solder things yourself
[11:47] <Lartza> yeah
[11:47] <joe7dust> http://www.gearbest.com/development-boards/pp_29447.html thats the one I ordered
[11:47] <Drzacek> Lartza, for that price I have to say it works really nice
[11:48] <joe7dust> $17 international express (4-7 business days to US)
[11:48] <joe7dust> the ebay one you linked is a decent price but expedited international on that one is $30
[11:49] <joe7dust> $60 express shipping for drzacek's one WOW lol
[11:50] <Drzacek> joe7dust, what did you expect? Just take the slow route
[11:51] <joe7dust> all i know is as soon as i have some extra $$ I'm going to build a stock and resell them
[11:52] <joe7dust> there's definitely a market for $30 free shipping for US buyers
[11:52] <joe7dust> the screens i wanted literally have ZERO stock in North America
[11:52] <joe7dust> and I'm sure I'm not the only person in North America who wants a good small screen and not have to wait 20+ business days on shipping
[11:52] <Drzacek> joe7dust, okay, that link I send has some shipping price, but looks around at aliexpress, you can find one with free shipping under 4$ (ordered them twice, not sure if from the same seller). Waiter around 3 weeks
[11:53] <Drzacek> joe7dust, and because people don't want to wait - they have to pay
[11:53] <joe7dust> I ordered a $15 one and the 4-7 day ship was just $17
[11:54] <joe7dust> $32 was pretty much the cheapest I could get one here by next friday
[11:54] <joe7dust> so I'm going to order some extra ones and resell to others like who me that don't like ordering direct from CN
[12:10] <joe7dust> .
[12:11] <Drzacek> dont forget to pay tax
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[12:11] <ap0calypse> thanks a lot for al your comments guys :
[12:11] <joe7dust> in the US you usually only pay tax if the seller is in your state
[12:11] <joe7dust> definitely not on out of country
[12:13] <Drzacek> if you are going to resell them....
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[12:28] <Apicalis_> Hey Dudes and Dudettes. I got my Raspberry Pi 2 B+ and can't seem to be able to install new images. I wanted to install the OpeneElec Diskimage from here http://openelec.tv/get-openelec/category/7-raspberry-pi2-builds I downloaded the file and extracted it. I then used win32diskimager to write the image onto a Samsung class 8 micro SD card wit 8GB. But when i plug it into my raspberry and boot it up the raspberry is stuck at t
[12:28] <Apicalis_> The raspberry was lying around in our office and was used several months ago as a Octoprint printserver for 3D printers. So this raspberry and the SD card was in use before
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[12:30] <Lartza> stuck at the rainbow screen?
[12:30] <Apicalis_> I also tried to install RaspberryMatic ( the homematic server ) but it has the same issues. The Raspberry is powered by a 2A Micro USB powersupply and is connected via Ethernet and HDMI->DVI cable
[12:30] <Apicalis_> Yes Lartza
[12:30] <Apicalis_> It seems that nothing is loading at all
[12:30] <Lartza> Can win32diskimager write the whole card?
[12:31] <Lartza> Windows usually craps when there are linux partitions on the device and you have to wipe it in linux to restore the whole card
[12:31] <ShorTie> na
[12:31] <Apicalis_> I used it (on windows 7 64Bit) in administrator mode and had no errors whatsoever if that is what you are talking about
[12:31] <Drzacek> Apicalis_, are you sure the image is written to the SD card, not, for example, .zip copied onto it?
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[12:33] <Apicalis_> Yes there are files actually written into it. I extracted the img.gz and then taken that image into the win32diskimager and written that data to the card
[12:33] <Apicalis_> I gonna insert the card into my laptop and will take another look
[12:34] <Drzacek> Apicalis_, do you have other sd card to test it?
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[12:34] <Drzacek> or other rpi to check if your device isn't fried?
[12:34] <Apicalis_> sadly no
[12:34] <Apicalis_> to both questions
[12:34] <Apicalis_> my other raspberry is at home
[12:34] <Apicalis_> i am at work right now
[12:34] <Apicalis_> the SD card is working fine on the computer
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[12:35] <Drzacek> Apicalis_, what images have you tried?
[12:35] <Drzacek> okay, ignore that question
[12:35] <Drzacek> maybe try jessie lite (few hundred mb) raspbian
[12:36] <mfa298> Apicalis_: after putting the image on the SD card, what do you see when you put it back into the windows computer ?
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[12:36] <Apicalis_> I took a photo , give me a sec i am trying to upload it to picpaste
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[12:39] <Apicalis_> http://postimg.org/image/epmyjbzor/
[12:41] <mfa298> that looks reasonable, which should imply you're writing the image to the SD card in the right way
[12:41] <Apicalis_> Yeah, my thought exactly
[12:41] <faugusztin> Apicalis_: press Print Screen/Alt+Print Screen next time, then paste the picture from clipboard to paint :)
[12:41] <Apicalis_> The only things connected to the raspberry are the SD card, Powersupply , HDMI->DVI cable and an ethernet cable.
[12:41] <mfa298> My guess would be there's either something bad in the image, or the Pi and Sd card don't want to work togther (I've seen that happen a couple of times)
[12:42] <Apicalis_> faugusztin, i know how to make screenshots. But it's on a different computer so i decided to take a pic with my cellphone so i can use this computer whos connected to the cloud to upload it
[12:42] <Apicalis_> instead of sending it via mail or something
[12:42] <faugusztin> Apicalis_: ok then :P
[12:42] <mfa298> as Drzacek suggested it might be worth testing the Raspbian Jessie lite image to see if that works.
[12:42] <faugusztin> Apicalis_: might be worth to try LibreELEC instead
[12:43] <Apicalis_> mfa298 the thing is, that this exact SD card worked with this exact pi before
[12:43] <Drzacek> YAY! I was helpful!
[12:43] <Apicalis_> I gonna take a look into Raspbian Jessie lite
[12:43] <faugusztin> Apicalis_: https://libreelec.tv/2016/05/libreelec-jarvis-v7-0-1/
[12:44] <Drzacek> Apicalis_, have you ruled out faulty hdmi->dvi adapter?
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[12:44] <Apicalis_> Yes since i got the colorful startup screen
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[12:45] <Apicalis_> https://hsto.org/storage2/fb7/5b5/1da/fb75b51da92335e0ae9b11d660621b66.jpg
[12:45] <Apicalis_> Which means that the GFX part is working in bootmode and is sending a correct screen
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[12:49] <Apicalis_> Downloads for jessie lite and librelec are running
[12:50] <Apicalis_> I got the real bad feeling that somehow my raspberry got fucked during transportation
[12:50] <Apicalis_> which i can hardly imagine but it seems to boil down to that cause
[12:51] <ShorTie> you need to read the rules i do know
[12:53] <Apicalis_> What rules are you talking about?
[12:53] <faugusztin> in topic
[12:53] <faugusztin> about language
[12:54] <faugusztin> (swearing word you just said)
[12:54] <faugusztin> you should have said "my raspberry got damaged durring transportation"
[12:55] <joe7dust> you brits are so silly
[12:55] <Drzacek> I agree with faugusztin
[12:55] <joe7dust> tits on broadcast TV is ok, swearing in a chatroom -- not okay . :D
[12:55] <Drzacek> While me personally it doesn't bother, RPi channel could be populated with younglings who should be protected from that
[12:56] <mfa298> joe7dust: this is a family friendly channel meaning kids could be reading it.
[12:56] <joe7dust> doesn't the UK have nudity on broadcast tele
[12:56] <Armand> Some..
[12:56] <faugusztin> joe7dust: also it is not ok on broadcast tv before 10PM
[12:56] <Armand> There are set rules, joe7dust
[12:56] <Armand> faugusztin: 9pm ?
[12:56] <faugusztin> times depend on country
[12:57] <joe7dust> what time is it over there? its before 6am here
[12:57] <Armand> Errrr... No. The UK only has one timezone. :P
[12:57] <faugusztin> we have different time ranges for different "topics"
[12:57] <Armand> "There are strict rules about what can be shown on TV before the 9pm watershed."
[12:57] <Armand> joe7dust: 11:57am
[12:57] <mfa298> also TV/Film would tend to think about what language they use and if it's appropriate to the context. people on the internet don't tend to do that
[12:57] <joe7dust> do you guys have summer off
[12:58] <Apicalis_> I got the real bad feeling that somehow my raspberry got intimatly penetrated during transportation
[12:58] <joe7dust> lol
[12:58] <faugusztin> joe7dust: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watershed_(broadcasting)
[12:58] <Apicalis_> ^^
[12:58] <Armand> joe7dust: Wut?
[12:58] <joe7dust> does school let out for summer over there
[12:58] <Armand> About 6 weeks, if I recall.
[12:58] <Apicalis_> I understandthe rules, but where are they listed. I didn't got a msg or something when i connected to this channel. I thought there usually is a bot that whispers u or something when you connect to a channel with some rules
[12:59] <Armand> I've been out of school some.. 22 years, so. :P
[12:59] <faugusztin> Apicalis_: topic
[12:59] <faugusztin> Apicalis_: it is in the channel topic
[12:59] <Armand> /topic
[12:59] <Armand> faugusztin: Anyways.. as the question was UK-specific, it's always 9pm. ;)
[13:00] <Apicalis_> Oh lol it's fat at the top of my screen
[13:00] <Apicalis_> sry
[13:00] <Armand> lolz
[13:00] <Apicalis_> Any kids here wanna buy some drugs? ^^
[13:00] <Apicalis_> *opens coat*
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[13:01] <Armand> In any context, TV regulations aren't even remotely relevant to IRC channel rules. ;)
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[13:01] <Apicalis_> Damn, libreelc doesn't work either
[13:02] <Armand> Darn libreels!
[13:02] <Apicalis_> So it must be the card or the raspberry. I am 100% sure that i can rule out the image at fault
[13:03] <Apicalis_> damn damn damn
[13:03] <Apicalis_> that is not what i was hoping for
[13:03] <gordonDrogon> channel rules: https://goo.gl/h5qPhz
[13:03] * Armand bearhugs gordonDrogon!
[13:04] <gordonDrogon> for anyone who can be bothered... and there is no watershed timezone...
[13:04] <Armand> Because there's no watershed on IRC. :P
[13:04] <Armand> rules are rules.
[13:04] <gordonDrogon> Apicalis_, so please keep it family friendly at all times.
[13:05] <Drzacek> I don't think "damn" falls into swear/offensive language category
[13:05] <Armand> Clearly it doesn't
[13:05] <gordonDrogon> there are/have been/will be 8 year olds (and possibly younger) here. Think of the children ...
[13:06] <joe7dust> what if i put a deity before damn
[13:06] <gordonDrogon> then I'll think you're just being a twit.
[13:06] <joe7dust> isn't there some law where anyone under 13 isn't allowed to use the internet unsupervised?
[13:06] <Armand> </gullible>
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[13:07] <gordonDrogon> why not just talk about Pi stuff instead?
[13:07] <Armand> joe7dust: Jurisdiction matters.
[13:07] <Armand> Anyways, gordonDrogon is right.. it's all grossly offtopic.
[13:07] <joe7dust> i know one time i accidentally put the wrong date on a question for my birth year and got ip banned
[13:07] <Armand> Off *cough* topic
[13:08] <Apicalis_> You are the guys off topic ^^
[13:08] <Armand> Always. ;)
[13:08] <Apicalis_> Back to my problem. I tried everything i can do here now. I guess now i can only wait till i get home to try the stuff on my other raspberry to see if the SD and or the image is at fault
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[13:13] <ShorTie> 33333333333333333333333333333
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[13:37] <Drzacek> joe7dust, international law?
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[13:38] <Drzacek> Apicalis_, does your RPI looks ok? No lifted pins on sd slot?
[13:39] <Drzacek> Is it SD or microSD? I only have pi0 and rpi3 and they have micro - if it's micro, then you probably have one card in your smartphone to try
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[13:47] <Apicalis_> Drzacek, it's a Pi 2 B+ and it has a Micro SD card slot and the pins are not bend
[13:48] <Apicalis_> I have a micro sd card in my phone but it's absolutely packed i am too lazy to back it up
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[13:48] <Drzacek> hah :D
[13:48] <Apicalis_> Oh no wait, i actually dont have a micro sd card
[13:48] <Apicalis_> its the galaxy s6
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[14:13] <Drzacek> Apicalis_, s6 has no sd slot?
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[14:16] <Apicalis_> no
[14:16] <Apicalis_> the S7 has them again
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[15:00] <Apicalis_> I want to order something from a private seller on the internet. He wants to use paypal family for that but that means i have no rights to get the money back if i never receive something
[15:00] <Apicalis_> Or am i wrong?
[15:01] <Apicalis_> (it's a pine64 that i want to order)
[15:01] <matthias-> you are right
[15:01] <matthias-> just add 3% to cover the PP costs
[15:01] <Rukus> I wouldnt buy unless i had an intermediate mediator of the sale
[15:01] <matthias-> and tell him you want to pay as a buyer
[15:01] <Rukus> like amazon, or ebay
[15:02] <Rukus> or a reputable site
[15:04] <shauno> from what I gather there's no disputes with the friends&family option at all. in return for charging no fees, they offer no protection.
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[15:04] <Apicalis_> I texted him my thoughts and he immediatly replied that it is okay for him and he can understand my side.
[15:04] <Apicalis_> So , all is good
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[15:09] <joe7dust> fyi i just found out the other day that gw doesn't charge fees
[15:09] <joe7dust> not sure how their chargeback system works tho
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[16:15] <yene> Can somebody teach me how to be good at electronics
[16:16] <ozzzy> have you tried a community college?
[16:16] <ShorTie> don't touch + to -
[16:16] <mfa298> start with something simple and work up
[16:16] <ozzzy> IRC isn't the best medium
[16:16] <ozzzy> baby steps
[16:17] <mfa298> and probably decide if you prefer digital or analogue stuff more
[16:17] <ShorTie> hardest part is figuring out what you want to do
[16:17] <yene> How do I build a thing that detects when power flows through a cable?
[16:17] <Armand> yene: Don't pee on the wall sockets.
[16:17] <yene> like an ampere meter but without measuring, just to see if it is turned on
[16:17] <ShorTie> google most likely has 100's of howto's, after you figure that out
[16:18] <yene> but I don't understand them
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[16:19] <methuzla> recursive google self education
[16:19] <yene> can you list me the parts i have to buy and how to solder them?
[16:19] <ShorTie> detecting current is easy, lots of already made boards for it
[16:19] <mfa298> yene: some of that may depend on what voltage/current your looking at.
[16:19] <yene> I just want to know if the device is on, for example a washing machine
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[16:20] <mfa298> and generally when you're starting out it's best to stay away from mains stuff (risks are too high)
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[16:22] <yene> so about that tutorial
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[16:49] <Kromag> does anyone know why when I plug my SDcard that came with my Pi3 (32GiB) into my card reader on my Win10 Laptop that it only shows up as 1(GiB) and is almost maxed out it's showing red...?
[16:50] <Kromag> and my card came preinstalled with NOOBS and it's like I said 32GiB
[16:50] <Kromag> how am I suppose to do anything with that
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[16:50] <methuzla> win10 can't see all partitions
[16:51] <Kromag> well what am I suppose to do if I wanted to clone that card to store it on my HDD for later and install Ubuntu Mate on it?
[16:51] <Kromag> how do I get it to recognize the full size
[16:51] <Kromag> and is it possible to do what I was saying
[16:51] <Kromag> clone it for later
[16:52] <DWKnight> because the noobs pack is multi-partition with more than just fat partitions
[16:52] <Kromag> or how can I get it to recognize everything
[16:52] <DWKnight> (including an ext4 iirc)
[16:52] <DWKnight> windows can't see it all
[16:52] <Kromag> is there a way to get it to?
[16:52] <DWKnight> if you want to clone it, using dd on linux would work more reliable
[16:52] <Encrypt> +1
[16:52] <Kromag> DWKnight, could I do a live distro of Linux to view it all and handle all that stuff?
[16:53] <Encrypt> Yes
[16:53] <Kromag> ok
[16:53] <Encrypt> With a live distro that is possible
[16:53] <DWKnight> a livecd/dvd/usb would be enough
[16:53] <Encrypt> Take the first Ubuntu you find
[16:53] <Kromag> a'ight thanks I apreciate that
[16:53] <Encrypt> And create a liveUSB
[16:53] <DWKnight> ubuntu desktop liveusb would probably be the most friendly
[16:54] <Kromag> okay
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[16:54] <DWKnight> become a supervillian - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LsxmQV8AXk
[16:54] <mfa298> Kromag: you can use win32diskimager on windows to clone the whole SD card to a file (use the read optino instead of the write option)
[16:54] <Kromag> yeah cause it was showing red on my card and I was kinda worried I know I have more than 96mb's
[16:55] <DWKnight> although that video is a bad recording of it
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[16:55] <Kromag> mfa298, yeah but it's not recognizing the whole card
[16:55] <DWKnight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PjpAmr8B0g better one
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[16:55] <DWKnight> Kromag: the "This PC" interface is a horrid way to check that Kromag
[16:56] <Kromag> that's what I was using
[16:56] <mfa298> Kromag: if you look in disk manager you'll probably see the other partitions, but windows can't do anything with them as it doesn't know how to
[16:56] <DWKnight> <adamsavagequote />
[16:56] <DWKnight> check disk management
[16:56] <mfa298> Kromag: the drive letter you see will only be one of the partitions on the card
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[16:56] <Kromag> i just checked disk mngmnt
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[16:56] <Ascavasaion> I downloaded the NOOBS v1.9.2 zip file, and the instructions on www.raspberrypi.org state that I need to extract it to get the img file. There is no .img file, it is the full expanded filestructure. i am stumped as to what to do now.
[16:56] <Kromag> it does see it all
[16:57] <jackcom> i can install raspbian on my laptop?
[16:57] <DWKnight> if it's all there in disk management
[16:57] <DWKnight> it's all there
[16:57] <DWKnight> period
[16:57] <Kromag> 4 partitions
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[16:58] <mfa298> Kromag: and win32diskimager should clone all of them, try and and you shoudl get a 32G file
[16:58] <SirLagz> jackcom: if you want something similar to Raspbian on a X86 PC, just install Debian
[16:58] <jackcom> Raspbian == Debian?
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[16:58] <jackcom> SirLagz: ?
[16:58] <Kromag> mfa298, is that on windows?
[16:58] <SirLagz> jackcom: Raspbian is a RPi optimised version of Debian essentially, with a few extra RPi specific packages
[16:59] <jackcom> oh
[16:59] <Kromag> win10 i mean
[16:59] <Kromag> I never heard of it
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[16:59] <jackcom> thanks SirLagz
[16:59] <jackcom> :)
[16:59] <SirLagz> jackcom: no problems
[16:59] <mfa298> Kromag: yes (the win32 in the name sould give that away)
[17:00] <mfa298> Kromag: it does essentially the same thing as dd on linux
[17:00] <Kromag> well it's not on my OS
[17:00] <Kromag> I just checked
[17:00] <DWKnight> it's not a built-in thing
[17:00] <DWKnight> it's something you have to download Kromag
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[17:01] <mfa298> It's something you need to install, and is the windows tool you'll likely need to put the raspbian/ubuntu image on your SD card once you've cloned the data off it
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[17:01] <Kromag> that's what I had asked
[17:01] <Kromag> not if it's compatable
[17:01] <Kromag> I asked if it's part of windows 10
[17:01] <Kromag> so I am going to find it
[17:01] * Kromag goes to search it
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[17:03] <mfa298> Kromag: what you asked can also be interpreted as does it run on windows (if installed) rather than is it installed on windows by default (/pedant mode)
[17:03] <Kromag> got it
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[17:04] <Kromag> it's prefixed with win32 so the chances of me actually had asked that are slim to none
[17:04] <Kromag> ;)
[17:05] <Kromag> thanks for the help tho
[17:05] <Kromag> I have it downloading now
[17:05] <Kromag> from sourceforge
[17:05] <Ascavasaion> No ideas on how to write an image to SD card when the downloaded Noobs zip file does not contain an IMG file?
[17:06] <SyncYourDogmas> dd will copy anything
[17:07] <methuzla> Ascavasaion, i think that's how noobs works, you just dump the contents of the zip file on the SD card
[17:08] <methuzla> Ascavasaion, as opposed to imaging it with a .img file
[17:08] <SyncYourDogmas> your right actually
[17:08] <SyncYourDogmas> I unzipped a noobs image the other day
[17:08] <SyncYourDogmas> mostly zip files
[17:09] <SyncYourDogmas> sorry I read an sdcard with noobs on it
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[17:09] <Ascavasaion> methuzla: Okay... so FAT32 filesystem on the SD card and extract it to the SD card?
[17:09] <DWKnight> yup
[17:09] <methuzla> yep
[17:10] <Ascavasaion> thank you :)
[17:10] <DWKnight> minimum size of the fat32 filesystem should be big enough to hold everything
[17:10] <DWKnight> not required to be the full size of the card
[17:10] <SyncYourDogmas> you should though
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[17:11] <Kromag> how do you guys feel about Berry Boot?
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[17:11] <Kromag> is it any good?
[17:13] <Ascavasaion> DWKnight: So, 8GB DS card must have a 8GB (or whatever the real size is) FAT32 partition?
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[17:13] <Ascavasaion> DS=SD
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[17:13] <Ascavasaion> DWKnight: Oh, I see your second message hehe
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[17:16] <Ascavasaion> Another Q, Pi does not need a small SAP partition? Maybe 512KB or 1MB?
[17:18] <Chillum> not sure what that is, but mine does not have one
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[17:21] <Ascavasaion> Chillum: SWAP partition is a small part of the Hard disk (SD card in this case) that computer uses as RAM if it needs more (virtual memory).
[17:21] <Ascavasaion> Chillum: but cool, thank you... will leave it without one then.
[17:21] <Chillum> ohh, I have never heard it called SAP
[17:22] <Chillum> ya, I don't use swap and it runs ok
[17:22] <Ascavasaion> Chillum: HAAHAH Oops, SAP = SWAP, a typo.
[17:22] <Chillum> that makes sense
[17:22] <Chillum> I even googled "SAP partitions"
[17:22] <Ascavasaion> Chillum: I aaaaaalmost taught you something new about 'SAP' partitions :)
[17:22] <Ascavasaion> HAHA!
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[17:22] <Chillum> I personally would avoid swap on a SD card
[17:23] <Chillum> those things fail after too many writes
[17:23] <Ascavasaion> Chillum: Okay, will do.
[17:25] <Kromag> ok it doesn't say anything about cloning my SDcard with Win32DiskImager
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[17:25] <Kromag> it looks like all it does is create an image on my SDcard
[17:25] <Kromag> not clone it
[17:26] <Kromag> mfa298, how do you clone with Win32DiskImager
[17:26] <mfa298> Kromag: there should be two options in win32diskimager, read and write, one reads the data from SD into a file, the other writes to the SD from a file
[17:26] <Kromag> I can't select either
[17:26] <Kromag> it wants me to select an image
[17:26] <Kromag> and already has my drive for the sdcard selected
[17:26] <Kromag> I can't select no other drive
[17:27] <Kromag> everything is greyed out
[17:27] <mfa298> just put a filename into the image name box
[17:27] <Kromag> and then it's going to try to burn a file to my SDcard which it already is not recognizing everything and is showing my cards maxed out
[17:27] <mfa298> I've ususally made a foler in c: called pi, so I'd put c:\pi\backup.img in there (but choose a suitable name)
[17:28] <mfa298> if you press read it'll read from the SD card and save the contents into c:\pi\backup.img
[17:28] <Kromag> well I typed backup.img on the textbox
[17:28] <Kromag> and hit read
[17:29] <Kromag> it's reading something
[17:29] <Kromag> this is one weird arse app
[17:29] <Kromag> not user friendly at all
[17:29] <Kromag> I'll have to make one
[17:29] <Kromag> I suppose
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[17:29] <Kromag> and that actually sounds like a good idea
[17:30] <mfa298> It's friendly enough, you give it an image file name, an SD card device and tell it if you want to read or write.
[17:30] <Kromag> I been looking for a small project to do for about a week
[17:30] <Kromag> it's not user friendly man
[17:30] <Kromag> I am a software engineer
[17:30] <Kromag> and It is not self explanitory
[17:30] <Kromag> I felt at first that it would try to warp my card
[17:30] <Kromag> I still don't trust it
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[17:32] <faugusztin> meanwhile this guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfQMLInuwws
[17:32] <mfa298> the majority of people use it the other way to write an image (usually raspbian) onto their SD card
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[17:32] <Kromag> yeah that's what popped up on https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/installation/installing-images/windows.md
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[17:32] <Kromag> when I was searching for results based on my card problem
[17:32] <Chillum> as a software engineer I am sure you can fine a better way to read/write a disk image
[17:33] <Kromag> that popped up first
[17:33] <Chillum> I just use dd
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[17:33] <Chillum> good 'ole disk destroyer
[17:33] <Kromag> That's fine and dandy Chillum... I am going to write my own Win tool
[17:33] <Kromag> cause I don't like this tool
[17:33] <Chillum> err data duplicator I mean
[17:33] <Kromag> lol
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[17:33] <Kromag> and dd is on Linux correct?
[17:33] <Chillum> yes
[17:33] <Kromag> i will look into that
[17:33] <Chillum> there have to be 50 tools for reading/writing disk images on windows
[17:34] <mfa298> dd is on pretty much every *nix
[17:34] <Chillum> dd is not user friendly, but it does what you tell it to
[17:34] <Kromag> Chillum, so what
[17:34] <Kromag> I like making my own tools
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[17:34] <Chillum> cool
[17:34] <Kromag> and I like staying in practice
[17:34] <Kromag> so shoot me
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[17:34] <Kromag> :)
[17:34] * Chillum shoots Kromag
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[17:34] * Kromag feels a sigh of releif
[17:35] * Kromag sighs with releif
[17:35] <Kromag> thanks
[17:35] <Kromag> I like blood-letting
[17:35] <Kromag> sometimes
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[17:37] <Ascavasaion> Mercy killing.
[17:37] <Kromag> oh wow
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[17:37] <Kromag> the friggen probation officer is next door for my brother
[17:37] <Kromag> he's on Parolle
[17:37] <Kromag> don't look good
[17:37] <Chillum> bugger
[17:37] <Kromag> we own houses side by side
[17:37] <Kromag> and they first knocked on my door
[17:38] <Kromag> and I gave them an attitude when I seen that badge
[17:38] <Kromag> cause they damn near knocked my door down
[17:38] <Kromag> now they're going through all my brothers shit
[17:38] <Ascavasaion> Kromag: Write an app to rehabilitate your brother.
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[17:38] <Kromag> he don't do drugs
[17:38] <Kromag> he use to sell marijuanna
[17:38] <Kromag> like 100+ pounds a week
[17:38] <Ascavasaion> Selling is worse than using.
[17:38] <Kromag> well he don't anymore
[17:39] <Kromag> but thanks for the obvious inclusions
[17:39] <Ascavasaion> doesn't
[17:39] <Ascavasaion> Kromag: Pleasure :D
[17:39] <Kromag> lol
[17:39] <ap0calypse> hi guys, has anyone tried to install slackwareARM on the raspi zero?
[17:39] <Chillum> wow, correcting grammar and judging weed dealers
[17:39] <Kromag> but seriously they're going through everything in his house
[17:39] <Ascavasaion> Chillum: HAHAAH!
[17:39] <Kromag> I'm not a weed dealer kid
[17:39] <Kromag> I'll just ignore ya
[17:39] <Ascavasaion> I was teasing, but um... okay.
[17:40] <Kromag> I love my brother
[17:40] <Kromag> I don't want the kid to go to jail again
[17:40] <Kromag> i don't even know why they're here they woudl not tell me
[17:40] <Kromag> it's friggen scary he has three kids tha love him
[17:40] <Kromag> and when he was selling weed he never even kept the money for just him
[17:41] <Kromag> he helped people start up businesses
[17:41] <Kromag> helped them get vehicles
[17:41] <Kromag> he has a huge herat
[17:41] <Kromag> heart
[17:41] <ap0calypse> so? no one?
[17:41] <Kromag> he gives back to the community
[17:41] <Kromag> ap0calypse, I have not
[17:41] <Kromag> just Ubuntu Mate is what I am about to install
[17:41] <Kromag> and I want to check out Berry Boot
[17:42] <ap0calypse> hmm
[17:42] <Chillum> sounds like an interesting project ap0calypse
[17:42] <Kromag> from what I am reading ap0calypse Ubuntu Mate is very easy to install
[17:42] <Kromag> ap0calypse, http://hackarobot.com/how-to-install-ubuntu-on-raspberry-pi-3/
[17:42] <ap0calypse> Chillum: problem is: i can't boot the image
[17:42] <Kromag> ap0calypse, then I want to setup this too :: http://hackarobot.com/how-to-set-up-raspberry-pi-3-lamp-web-server/
[17:43] <ap0calypse> i tried it with the image from rpi.fatdog.eu .. which is for rpi model a and b (same SoC) ... but it didnt work
[17:43] <ap0calypse> Kromag: sounds nice
[17:43] <Kromag> yeah
[17:44] <Kromag> I can't wait to get my SDcard situated then try it out
[17:44] <Kromag> I only have one free sd card available right nwo 32GiB
[17:44] <Kromag> the rest are being used
[17:44] <mfa298> ap0calypse: the Pi0 uses an older SOC (the same as on the Pi1) so some arm distros won't work on it.
[17:44] <Kromag> and I have a hard time (health wise ) making it to the store :P
[17:45] <Kromag> mfa298, good to know cause I just got my Pi0
[17:45] <Kromag> and I was going to try it on there
[17:45] <Kromag> or my Pi3
[17:45] <ap0calypse> mfa298: i know, thats why i used the older image for version 1 raspis
[17:45] <ap0calypse> but it doesnt work ... :/
[17:46] <ap0calypse> 8 times green blink, then 1 sec steady, then 8 blinks
[17:46] <ap0calypse> as for led indicators
[17:46] <ap0calypse> damn i dont want raspbian ... :/
[17:46] <Kromag> mfa298, it said read successful
[17:47] <Kromag> mfa298, so now how do I save it to C:\rPi3\backups\backup.img ??
[17:47] <Kromag> do I just type that address into the text box and click write?
[17:47] <mfa298> Kromag: you should have a large file which is a clone of the SD card now.
[17:47] <Kromag> where would that file be
[17:48] <mfa298> wherever you told it to put it
[17:48] <Kromag> all I typed earlier into the textbox was backup.img
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[17:48] <Ascavasaion> then I would imagine the current folder?
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[17:48] <mfa298> you could try clicking the folder icon as that might show you
[17:49] <Kromag> lol and it does
[17:49] <Kromag> see i don't find it user friendly
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[17:49] <Kromag> 29.7 GiB
[17:49] <Kromag> and I have a 32 GiB sdcard so that's about right
[17:49] <Kromag> cool
[17:50] <Kromag> so now If I format my sdcard and reapply that image and run my rPi3 it all should work right?
[17:50] <Kromag> or would I have to do any other funny biz
[17:50] <mfa298> if you re-apply the same image you should be in the same state as now.
[17:51] <Kromag> ok sweet
[17:51] <mfa298> if you want to test it a better approach will be writing it to a new SD card
[17:51] <Ascavasaion> It should yes.
[17:51] <mfa298> I thought what you wanted to do was backup the image so you could put a new image (ubunut) on the card.
[17:51] <Ascavasaion> Yes, what mfa298 said re another SD card to be safe
[17:52] <Kromag> mfa298, yes
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[17:52] <Kromag> but if all else fails and I want to go back
[17:52] <Kromag> i want to be able to
[17:52] <Kromag> that's the purpose of saving my current state
[17:52] <Kromag> the image as is now
[17:52] <Kromag> and I don't have another card available right now
[17:52] <Kromag> else I wouldn't go through this hassel
[17:53] <Kromag> screw it I'll just order some off amazon
[17:54] <Kromag> I had found this site too: http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-format-your-SD-card-back-to-the-original-si/?ALLSTEPS
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[17:54] <Kromag> anyone ever heard of or used SDFormatter v4.0?
[17:54] <Kromag> that's what that site refers to
[17:55] <mfa298> so the image file you've created should be a byte for byte copy of the existing SD card.
[17:55] <Kromag> okay thank you again mfa298
[17:55] <mfa298> depending on how important the data on it is you either want to write it to a new card to test it's good
[17:55] <mfa298> or just go ahead and write ubuntu to the existing card and have fun with that
[17:55] <Kromag> This is a new card I have now
[17:55] <Kromag> oh
[17:55] <Kromag> I see what you're saying
[17:55] <Kromag> sorry
[17:56] <Kromag> before I make changes to my card now
[17:56] <Kromag> is there a way to virtualize it you think cause I have no other card at my hands reach right now
[17:56] <Kromag> my son's in school he has my other card
[17:56] <mfa298> basicly if you can't afford to lose the data on that card test the image is good before destroying the source
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[17:56] <Kromag> yeah
[17:56] <Kromag> i figured that's what you were saying
[17:56] <Kromag> a little late
[17:57] <Kromag> a little slow you have to tell me twice sometimes
[17:57] <Kromag> I'm on some really strong medication
[17:57] <Kromag> and it messes with me a lot
[17:57] <Chillum> I tend to start with a pre-made image, then I use duplicity on the card regularly to create incremental backups. This lets me snapshot and roll back to a previous state.
[17:58] <Chillum> great when I go WAY to far down the wrong path trying to get somethign working
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[17:58] <Kromag> chillum and is that a linux tool
[17:58] <Chillum> yes
[17:58] <Kromag> lol
[17:58] <Chillum> a powerful backup tool
[17:58] <Kromag> I believe it
[17:58] <Kromag> Linux is powerful when it comes to that
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[17:58] <Kromag> so is windows but with windows we use powershell
[17:59] <Chillum> you can probably run dd and duplicity and all of the stuff in cygwin
[17:59] <Kromag> yeah I don't feel like setting that all up
[17:59] <Kromag> I am working on setting up a laptop right now for linux
[17:59] <Kromag> soon as it finishes updating
[17:59] <Chillum> an extra pi is a great linux box for when you need to do linux stuff in a windows world
[17:59] <Chillum> ahh a laptop does nicely too
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[18:00] <Kromag> Chillum, yeah I have to spare laptops
[18:00] <Kromag> not that old
[18:00] <Kromag> Asus and a Toshiba satellite
[18:00] <Kromag> I'm waiting on the replacement power cord for my Toshiba in the mail now
[18:01] <Kromag> should be here tonight or tomorrow
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[18:01] <Chillum> be careful with dd hehe, it WILL do what you ask it to, even if that means clobbering a hard drive
[18:01] <Chillum> I saw a couple almost break up because the guy put the wrong drive letter into a dd command and erased her drive
[18:02] <Kromag> yeah right man
[18:02] <Kromag> c'mon
[18:02] <ap0calypse> happens a lot
[18:02] <Chillum> she dumped a plate of spaghetti on him
[18:02] <Chillum> it was hot
[18:02] <Kromag> oh okay
[18:02] <Chillum> he had burns
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[18:02] <Kromag> did they have makup sex after?
[18:02] <ap0calypse> mmmh spaghetti
[18:02] <Kromag> I love pasta
[18:02] <Chillum> Kromag: I didn't ask, but I assume so
[18:02] <Kromag> hell yeah
[18:02] <Kromag> rubbing vagina milk all over the 3rd degree burns
[18:03] <Chillum> that is not where milk comes from
[18:03] <Kromag> must have felt like crap
[18:03] <Kromag> uh huh my mum said so
[18:03] <Kromag> don't call me mum a liar
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[18:03] <Chillum> gee, most of us were breast fed
[18:03] <Chillum> that is rough
[18:03] <Kromag> lmao
[18:03] <Kromag> hell no
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[18:21] * ChanServ sets mode +o gordonDrogon
[18:21] <gordonDrogon> what's an op to do when everyone sees the channel rules at connect time )-:
[18:21] <gordonDrogon> Kromag, family friendly.
[18:21] <gordonDrogon> Kromag, read the rules.
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[18:22] <gordonDrogon> and try to stick to the topic...
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[18:22] <gordonDrogon> please.
[18:24] <JK-47> So, this one time, at band camp…
[18:25] <Ascavasaion> JK-47: :)
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[18:45] <JK-47> I need a new pi project. too many sitting around.
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[18:49] <Kromag> how many is too many?
[18:49] <Kromag> http://hackarobot.com/how-to-set-up-raspberry-pi-3-lamp-web-server/
[18:49] <Kromag> check that out or their other projects
[18:49] <Kromag> :)
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[18:51] <obihann> Is anyone here framiliar with rpi-cam-web-interface (http://elinux.org/RPi-Cam-Web-Interface) ?
[18:52] <curlyears> heigh hough
[18:52] <curlyears> transphiculatory granulations to you all!
[18:53] * ozzzy going to try to ressurect his Pi3
[18:54] <curlyears> well, May the Force be with you, ozzzy!!!!
[18:55] <jumpman> is there a channel more oriented towards hardware discussion? ie, a place that would be more appropriate to ask about led strips, displays, etc?
[18:55] <ozzzy> jumpman, this is the place
[18:56] <jumpman> that's cool– what i'm wondering right about now is what my options are for displays (LED/LCD/anything with RGB color and hopefully a good pixel count) of totally custom resolution
[18:57] <jumpman> another thought that i had is that i could put OLEDs behind some kind of treated black plastic or glass
[18:58] <jumpman> that seems like something I could more easily google if I had any idea what the heck it's called :p
[18:58] <obihann> jumpman: what wsize yuou looking for?
[18:59] <obihann> small displays exist that are the size (9roughly) of the pi, they sit on top and use the gpio pins
[18:59] <jumpman> well, i haven't measured it out exactly but ideally it would be like 5" vertical by 28" horizontal
[18:59] <jumpman> give or take
[18:59] <obihann> thats a very odd size for a scree
[18:59] <jumpman> yeah, that's why i was hoping there might be someone who just cut them to spec :p
[19:00] <obihann> you dont really cut lcd displays lol, they are manufactured by size
[19:00] <obihann> I doubt you will find anyone who makes custom one off displays
[19:00] <jumpman> hrm
[19:00] <obihann> why do you need that specific size?
[19:01] <obihann> also... were talking full color display like a monitor right? not just a big ass grid of led's controllable individually?
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[19:01] <jumpman> yeah
[19:01] <obihann> yah, thats gonna be tough
[19:01] <jumpman> well, i've got a gap of about that size that i want to get a display in
[19:02] <jumpman> it won't need to be nearly that big with regards to, uh, displaying actual information
[19:02] <jumpman> but i was hoping it could be installed very cleanly
[19:02] <obihann> really your options for displays for this stuff is a) buy a pre-made one for the pi, or b) find one from an old laptop, etc, and find a way to re-use it
[19:02] <jumpman> could i take screens from tablets/phones?
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[19:03] <obihann> potentially yes, I don't know much about that but I believe its a fair bit of electronic and software work getting a custom display working
[19:04] <obihann> and of course, what phone or tablet has a 5x28 inch screen?
[19:04] <obihann> lol
[19:04] <jumpman> https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/magic-mirror/
[19:05] <jumpman> well, i was thinking i could do something vaguely like this without the mirror part
[19:05] <obihann> ahhhh I see now
[19:05] <jumpman> then i could stitch together multiple displays behind a single piece of plastic and ideally you wouldn't even be able to tell
[19:05] <jumpman> yeah, sorry for not explaining that very well :p i'm sure there's some phrase for it that i don't know of
[19:07] <obihann> the 5" vertical is still throwing me off
[19:07] <obihann> when I look at off the shelf 28" lcd monitors they are about 15" x 26"
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[19:07] <jumpman> lol yeah, it's just a little stubby rectangle - specific use is a car dashboard
[19:08] <obihann> 5x28 is a really odd aspect ratio compared to say 16:9 or 4:3
[19:08] <obihann> I've seen people use 7" tablets in car dashboards for similar things, like repurposing a nexus 7
[19:08] <jumpman> speedo / tach / maybe compass or GPS / clock / stereo details
[19:09] * ozzzy 's Pi3 is alive
[19:09] <obihann> do you have more space behind teh gap? I mean, could you fit a full 28" monitor their and just have part visible?
[19:09] <obihann> ozzzy: congrats!
[19:09] <ozzzy> guess it didn't like that 32G sd card
[19:09] <obihann> cause if you can, you could probably just write your software to only display on part of the screen
[19:10] <ozzzy> they make small displays too
[19:10] <jumpman> probably not
[19:10] <obihann> ozzzy: they make small displays but he wants a 5" by 28" display
[19:11] <obihann> multiple small displays might work but the rpi only has one hdmi and I would think even if you could wire them up, it would be taxing the gpu to power multiple
[19:11] <obihann> I wish my pi issues were this interisting... I just want it to be stable and stream video
[19:12] <obihann> without completly locking up every few hours
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[19:12] <jumpman> i might be able to get a tiny tiny computer in there somewhere
[19:13] <jumpman> something with discrete graphics maybe
[19:13] <ap0calypse> erm, excuse me guys, can someone confirm: the raspicam does not fit into the rpi0 cam slot?
[19:13] <ap0calypse> i tried
[19:13] <ap0calypse> didnt fit
[19:13] <ap0calypse> the slot is too small
[19:14] <obihann> ap0calypse: yuour correct
[19:14] <ap0calypse> wtf, is this on purpose?
[19:14] <obihann> you need a different cable
[19:14] <ozzzy> obihann, yeah... that would be a tough one... could 'panel' several small ones
[19:14] <obihann> no, its just the size of the pi zero is too small for the traditional adapter, the first generation ones didn't even support the picam
[19:14] <obihann> just a month or two ago they updated the pi zero to support the cam, but had to slim down the port size
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[19:16] <ap0calypse> ok, how much is the cable?
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[19:16] <obihann> if I rememgber correctly, the same price as the pi zero lol
[19:16] <obihann> https://www.adafruit.com/products/3157
[19:17] <obihann> jumpman: perhaps mutiple arduino's like the trinket each one tied into a display might work
[19:18] <obihann> seems messy but, takes draw away from the pi
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[19:19] <jumpman> any idea what i might research to figure out how to do this one-way black mirror?
[19:19] <ScrumpyJack> afternoon. The A+ comes in two sizes, 256Mb and 512Mb RAM. Can i tell the diff by just looking at it?
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[19:22] <JK-47> i may be switching my pi zero designs to c.h.i.p. instead. backup power via a small lipo is, and onboard wifi are tempting.
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[19:24] <faugusztin> ScrumpyJack: wasn't A without ethernet ?
[19:24] <obihann> jumpman: I would start looking at how to drive multiple displays off the pi
[19:24] <obihann> if thats possible and people have already done it, then it should simplify a lot of your project
[19:24] <faugusztin> ScrumpyJack: indeed, A/A+ had no ethernet and single USB port
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[19:25] <obihann> if its not done / not possible, then you have to find a differenmt way to run the displays
[19:25] <faugusztin> ScrumpyJack: so that is pretty simple visual difference
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[19:25] <obihann> faugusztin: he means the difference between the and a+
[19:25] <obihann> neither have ethernet
[19:25] <faugusztin> ah, a and a+... then i doubt it
[19:26] <obihann> https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/model-a/ and https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/model-a-plus/
[19:26] <obihann> visually the a+ is very different
[19:26] <faugusztin> also it has label ? https://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/A-_Overhead.jpg
[19:27] <faugusztin> i mean it literally says "Model A+" :)
[19:27] <obihann> if you have a yellow rca video out you have the a
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[19:27] <obihann> faugusztin: thats just too easy!
[19:27] <faugusztin> what ? reading the label ? it might be hard for someone who can't read
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[19:28] <faugusztin> ScrumpyJack: http://www.intorobotics.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/raspberry-pi-model-a-vs-mod_opt.jpg btw
[19:28] <obihann> somebody somewheres is now triggered and they dont know why
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[19:29] <faugusztin> RIP my original Pi B, which died when i put +12V on GPIO +5V header :P
[19:29] <faugusztin> (was not my intention)
[19:29] <obihann> lmao
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[19:30] <DWKnight> gj
[19:30] <obihann> my original pi b is still alive, but with what I'm trying with it it doesn't have an up time of more than a few hours at best
[19:30] <obihann> a day if I don't look at it, or use it, and just keep it running
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[19:44] <Bilby> obihann: eh?
[19:44] <Bilby> what's up with your stability
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[19:46] <ap0calypse> who wants to give me a adapter cable so that i can use my raspicam on the pi0? as a gift maybe ;) much appreciated :P
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[19:52] <ScrumpyJack> sorry, for the confusion. I'm talking solely about the model A+
[19:52] <ScrumpyJack> there are two model A+
[19:52] <Bilby> ap0calypse: good luck with that ;) thanks for reminding me i need to make sure i get the right ribbon when i order the next cam
[19:52] <ScrumpyJack> one with 256 and one with 512, but the 512Mb isn't yet available
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[19:53] <ap0calypse> Bilby: i ran into it now like 'WTF?!'
[19:53] <ap0calypse> tried to fit
[19:53] <ap0calypse> didnt
[19:53] <ap0calypse> rubbed my eyes
[19:53] <ap0calypse> tried again
[19:53] <ap0calypse> didnt work
[19:53] <ap0calypse> o_O
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[19:56] <Bilby> yeah they used the same connector from the whatsit, the weird one with the dev board, on the zero
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[19:56] <ap0calypse> i really questioned my brain and abilities
[19:56] <ap0calypse> i felt really retarded
[19:57] <ap0calypse> :D
[19:57] <Bilby> I bought a camera when they became available
[19:57] <ap0calypse> someone could have posted that out
[19:57] <Bilby> thought i'd be fine... somehow managed to kill it after just a coupel of test shots :(
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[19:59] <streulma> hello, I'm trying to run wine on i386 qemu-user-static on Ubuntu 16.04 on Raspberry Pi arm. I get a Segmentation Fault
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[20:00] * shiftplusone wouldn't expect it to be that easy
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[20:02] <shiftplusone> streulma: if you get it working, please do report back... would be nice to know what's needed.
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[20:04] <streulma> there is Wine for arm precompiled in Fedora
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[20:05] <shiftplusone> I am curious about exagear... and wonder how gpl compliant they are.
[20:05] <shiftplusone> They can't have done more than fiddled with wine and qemu until it worked.
[20:06] <streulma> I have the Pi 3 B
[20:06] <Kromag> hm
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[20:19] <Kromag> http://linuxluddites.com/
[20:21] <bpye> Does anyone know how to calculate dpi_output_format, trying to get my rpi working with a 240*320 DPI display
[20:21] <bpye> I had it working kinda last night, but all offset and flipped and I cant replicate that again, but I dont appear to have the right setting htere
[20:22] <lopta> bpye: DPI or dots? That's a really odd resolution.
[20:22] <lopta> 240x320 pixels sounds reasonable for a small LCD
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[20:22] <bpye> pixels, DPI as in the interface
[20:22] <lopta> ...but not DPI.
[20:23] <lopta> bpye: It sounds as though you don't understand DPI.
[20:23] <bpye> dotclk or whatever, but yeah, to use with the DPI interface. It is a small 2.8" LCD
[20:23] <bpye> Huh? DPI = dots per inch, yes, but DPI = Display parallel interface? The display interface the RPI exposes on the GPIO pins
[20:24] <lopta> I've never heard of a DPI interface.
[20:24] <lopta> OK, that's something new to me.
[20:24] <lopta> Acronym collision.
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[20:30] <Bilby> happens all the time if you work in military and gov realms. in fact it's caused some major problems
[20:30] <lopta> I can believe it.
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[20:32] <Bilby> I can't find the article i was thinking of but yeah, it's def happened. http://www.wapatientsafety.org/downloads/Brunetti_JCJQPS_2007.pdf this is a paper on best practices for acronyms in healthcare
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[20:37] <lopta> I'm giving serious thought to replacing my work desktop with my Raspberry Pi 2.
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[20:38] <giddles> 3 is better on mate
[20:38] <giddles> :)
[20:38] <roadHockeyKing> 3 comes close.
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[20:41] <lopta> giddles: I probably wouldn't run Linux on it anyway but what makes the 3 better, besides WiFi?
[20:42] <giddles> a little bit more speed
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[20:42] <lopta> Ah, ok.
[20:42] <yene> it has bluetooth
[20:42] <giddles> i notice it only really on retroprie arch
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[20:42] <giddles> i cant send a picture from my *not family friendly* iphone ;)
[20:43] <giddles> btw what frequency is bt
[20:43] <yene> wikipedia frequency
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[20:43] <lopta> 2.4 GHz
[20:43] <lopta> iirc.
[20:43] <giddles> ow
[20:43] <giddles> damn
[20:44] <lopta> Let me check that though.
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[20:44] <lopta> Ah good, I was right. It's in the "2.4 GHz ISM band"
[20:44] <giddles> ok
[20:45] <giddles> too high :(
[20:45] <lopta> too high for what?
[20:45] <giddles> my equip
[20:45] * lopta boggles
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[20:46] <lopta> giddles: I guess your equipment isn't Bt then. ;-)
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[20:46] <giddles> hehe
[20:46] <giddles> sdr radio ;)
[20:46] <giddles> very intesting
[20:46] * lopta nods
[20:46] <lopta> That's on my list of things to try too.
[20:46] <giddles> 24mhz-1300?
[20:47] <giddles> jup
[20:47] <giddles> very nice
[20:47] <lopta> ...try it on 10m or 6m?
[20:47] <mfa298> need a better sdr then, mine goes to ~6GHz
[20:47] <giddles> vfo maybe mfa298
[20:47] <giddles> :D
[20:47] <giddles> hrhr
[20:47] <giddles> check datasheet
[20:47] <giddles> K-band i cant discover..
[20:47] <giddles> %)
[20:48] <mfa298> giddles: sdr isn't just the rtlsdr dongles
[20:48] <giddles> i knew
[20:48] <giddles> there is this hack station you can order
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[20:48] <lopta> mfa298: It's the dongle plus some software, I imagine.
[20:48] <giddles> i use it with a giant uhf antenna to get a bigger city local radio ;)
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[20:48] <giddles> only sdr
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[20:48] <mfa298> mine cost a bit more than $10 (I've got an FCD Pro+ and hackrf)
[20:48] <giddles> hackrf
[20:48] <giddles> exactly
[20:48] <giddles> hmm could be illegal here
[20:49] <giddles> i dont wanna be meeted by police
[20:49] <giddles> i mean this radio box can also send what ive seen
[20:50] <mfa298> That may depend on where you are.
[20:50] <giddles> jup
[20:51] <mfa298> hackrf has transmit capability (although fairly low power), it's not necessarily illegal to own it, but would be to use it for tx with appropriate licenses.
[20:52] <giddles> hmm it sounds nice as remote signal reciever
[20:52] <mfa298> then again in the UK I think it's technically illegal to listen to most stuff
[20:52] <giddles> for iot and smart home selfmade stuff
[20:52] <giddles> :)
[20:52] <giddles> im in germany
[20:52] <giddles> we have strict law
[20:53] <lopta> Are those SDR dongles rx-only?
[20:53] <lopta> mfa298: You'd be amazed what you're allowed to listen to if you have a TV license.
[20:54] <giddles> for me i would like to recieve weathre sattelite data
[20:54] <giddles> i have all software but no antenna :/
[20:54] <mfa298> the $10 rtlsdr dongles are rx only
[20:54] <Chillum> they are fun
[20:54] <lopta> mfa298: That's ok. Even RX would interest me, depending on what I could hear.
[20:54] <Chillum> I used them to pickup air plane transponders
[20:54] <giddles> radio :D
[20:55] <lopta> Is there software for WSPR?
[20:56] <mfa298> lopta: tv license only covers recieving tv signals, after that I think you're only allowed to listen to Broadcast radio/ amateur/cb/pmr
[20:56] <lopta> mfa298: Perhaps that's changed in recent years. It used to be a somewhat permissive RX license.
[20:56] <mfa298> in the UK things like listening to airband / marine band have been technically illegal unless licensed for those bands
[20:56] <giddles> the shit i need contains ELF; SLF; ULF, VLF, LF, MF, HF, VHF, UHF, SHF, EHF, FIR, MWIR, SWIR, NIR :D
[20:57] <giddles> vis my eyes can recieve
[20:57] <giddles> :D
[20:57] <giddles> 400-800nm?
[20:57] <giddles> :D
[20:57] <lopta> giddles: DC-to-Daylight ;-)
[20:57] <giddles> hrhr
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[20:58] <giddles> since i use sdr i dont think anymore in categorys, only frequency ;)
[20:59] <giddles> so this hackrf can go to what mhz?
[20:59] <mfa298> hackrf is sometihng like 20MHz to 6GHz
[20:59] <giddles> sounds goo
[20:59] <giddles> d
[20:59] <giddles> 6mhz
[21:00] <lopta> mfa298: What's the TX power?
[21:00] <mfa298> goes even lower 1MHz (I think 20MHz was what they thought it could do originaly)
[21:00] <mfa298> lopta: about 10mW I think
[21:00] <mfa298> https://greatscottgadgets.com/hackrf/
[21:01] <giddles> 1-6
[21:01] <giddles> lol even a freenode channel
[21:01] <giddles> expensive hobby
[21:01] <giddles> all kinds of antennas you need
[21:02] <mfa298> there's a whole range of SDR devices with differnt ranges, sample rates and price ranges.
[21:02] <giddles> my next project is a qhf antenna
[21:02] <giddles> hope i dont skrew it up
[21:04] <giddles> and then i can recieve nice http://www.dd9lh.de/1002nw.jpg
[21:07] <joe7dust> we seem to think alike
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[21:08] <joe7dust> this is like the 3rd time chat here randomly syncs with some offtopic thing I'm also on about
[21:08] <joe7dust> i was just looking at the hackrf stuff last night after learniing about imsi catchers
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[21:09] <mfa298> I think there's a few people here into sdr
[21:09] <streulma> shiftplusone: someone got it working on the same way I try: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5-vVgkj8UU
[21:09] <lopta> You know, I've just realised this is a product I heard about on the Amp Hour podcast.
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[21:09] <joe7dust> i also made a eli5 post on reddit about it no replies tho
[21:09] <sireorion> is it possible to change desktop envoiverment in raspbian?
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[21:09] <streulma> Lol, now I have FullHD on Mate :-)
[21:10] <joe7dust> who wants some karma for explaining it ? :) https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/4n4rh2/eli5_usrps_what_are_they_used_for_do_they_require/
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[21:10] <joe7dust> can vote twice cause im dirty haha
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[21:13] <joe7dust> YAYYYY MY PI IS HERE
[21:13] <sireorion> congrats
[21:13] <joe7dust> <3 1.3 rpi0 shipped from a redditor for just $8 total
[21:13] <streulma> The Pi I buy in local shop
[21:13] <joe7dust> 2 of them actually and the 2nd one is on ebay for $15 :)
[21:13] <joe7dust> so if that sells i basically got it fo free
[21:14] <streulma> the user for who I have a Pi project now has otherwise buying an Apple Mac Mini for 500 Euros. I say, oh what you try to do can you do with the Pi lol
[21:14] <sireorion> i have 2 pi rev b, 1 pi 2, and 12 pi 3 =) pi 3 is a cluster =)
[21:15] <Kromag> sireorion, make a replenishing node cluster that's balanced for a server :)
[21:15] <joe7dust> surprised no one bought it already actually since it was literally the lowest price on ebay.. maybe cause new stock came recently
[21:16] <sireorion> Kromag: i am waiting for an big order. have orderd 64 pi 3 and i will get them next week... That will be a hell of a cluster =)
[21:16] <sireorion> i have build the rig for them this week
[21:16] <joe7dust> I wonder how many pi3 vs pi0 would fit in a server rack
[21:16] <joe7dust> maybe 32 vs 64 ?
[21:17] <joe7dust> probably more if you put some fans
[21:17] <sireorion> joe7dust: 1 u4 rack is 64 pi3 one u3 is pi0
[21:18] <sireorion> we have tested =)''
[21:18] <mgottschlag> sireorion: huh, any specific reason for such a cluster? :D
[21:19] <sireorion> mgottschlag: cracking
[21:19] <sireorion> code
[21:19] <joe7dust> oh dear God the GBA SP shell is tiny :o this will be tough
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[21:19] <mgottschlag> hm, I'd expect a system based on desktop GPUs to be much more efficient in pretty much all aspects
[21:19] <ali1234> sireorion: using the GPU?
[21:20] <ali1234> mgottschlag: an nvidia 1080 is probably about 10x faster than if you spent an equivalent amount on pi zeros, according to my back of the envelope calculation
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[21:20] <sireorion> the gpu on pi3 arent that much faster then the cpu
[21:20] <sireorion> haha
[21:21] <ali1234> they are for floating point :)
[21:21] <sireorion> m
[21:21] <sireorion> m
[21:21] <mgottschlag> ali1234: are such high-end cards price-efficient?
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[21:21] <ali1234> but the interesting thing is that the pi zero is not much slower
[21:21] <sireorion> ali1234: no isent... But it gets hotter
[21:22] <ali1234> the GPU i mean... the CPU is much slower
[21:22] <ali1234> mgottschlag: maybe but that would make the ratio even worse :)
[21:22] <ali1234> (for the pi)
[21:22] <ali1234> also... programming the pi GPU is a lot harder than just writing some CUDA code
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[21:23] <joe7dust> haha the cellphone battery I was gonna use is wider than the SP shell... bak to the drawing board. looks like the pi0 just barely fits tho. It's a damned shame about the odroid cease production
[21:23] <ali1234> nvidia 780 is probably the most cost efficient card at the moment... it has more compute units than the 980 and should be quite cheap now
[21:24] <ali1234> joe7dust: i looked at your forum post... that battery you bought is going to be bad anyway
[21:24] <yene> no
[21:24] <ali1234> check out the batteries used in bluetooth headsets, will probably be about the same true capacity
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[21:25] <Kromag> joe7dust, why did they cease production?
[21:25] <joe7dust> broadcom refuse to sell them more chips
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[21:25] <joe7dust> no idea why, possibly some bs about them not wanting in bootleg emulator projects
[21:25] <Kromag> lol
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[21:27] <joe7dust> the pi0 is so cute n tiny!!! SQUEEEE I can't believe this thing is a 1ghz computer
[21:28] <lopta> joe7dust: We live in the future. :-)
[21:28] <streulma> the Pi here must receive zeroconf audio over network, send hdmi output to tv and accespoint for wifi
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[21:30] <joe7dust> how long will it be before I can power my hoverboard with a pi that uses google maps for autonomous navigation?
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[21:30] <joe7dust> GSM usb dongle anyone? XD
[21:31] <streulma> I can use the pi as linux pc for in the linux club lol
[21:32] <lopta> You have Linux clubs?! :-o
[21:32] <Roonix> Linux club? Cool, where's it at?
[21:32] <Chillum> you will have to wait for a hoverboard to be invented first
[21:33] <joe7dust> they already have
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[21:33] <Chillum> joe7dust: I have one question. When you ride your "hoverboard" is it touching the ground?
[21:34] <joe7dust> http://thenextweb.com/shareables/2016/05/03/watch-man-obliterate-world-record-longest-hoverboard-flight/
[21:34] <joe7dust> now it just needs a RPi w/ GSM dongle to autonomously fly me to a destination :D
[21:34] <Chillum> neat
[21:35] <Chillum> about time
[21:35] <joe7dust> hey on a serious note though anyone got info one a drone that has a pi on board? I'd be interested what it could actually be used for in real world app like that
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[21:35] <joe7dust> ultra light materials like the pi could be added so easily
[21:36] <DrJ> could use it to add a camera
[21:36] <DrJ> to cheaper ones without
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[21:37] <joe7dust> i was thinking that actually last night
[21:37] <Chillum> joe7dust: I am building a drone with an onboard pi
[21:37] <DrJ> if you put a cellurar modem on the pi and a gps chip you could have it report its location
[21:37] <joe7dust> it would be pretty cool to explore my area with a drone that has a pi driven camera on it. I bet the cams that come on them usually are nothing close to 1080p cap
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[21:38] <Chillum> I am using a px4 based flight controller that allows mavlink communication
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[21:38] <Chillum> so my pi can query information and give commands
[21:38] * lopta ponders
[21:38] <joe7dust> anyone ever shoot at it with a shotgun ?
[21:38] <Chillum> going to make a wifi mapping tool that autolocates wifi hot spots by flying around them
[21:38] <Chillum> we don't have a lot of guns around here
[21:38] <joe7dust> no joke that would be a real risk here in texas
[21:39] <Chillum> I am in Canada, it is the opposite of Texas
[21:39] <Chillum> except for Alberta
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[21:39] <joe7dust> some of the municpalities here employ drones too i wonder what they would do if i used mine to run spy on them XD
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[21:40] <lopta> joe7dust: They'd shoot you.
[21:40] <joe7dust> i dont think the drones are armed.. YET
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[21:40] <lopta> joe7dust: I didn't mean the drones.
[21:40] <joe7dust> lol
[21:41] <joe7dust> oh yea ill have to remember to put counter-EMP shielding in
[21:41] <joe7dust> EMP would be pretty nasty to put on a drone haha
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[21:41] <sireorion> joe7dust: buy an old parrot drone. put the pi on it with an external GPS resiver. do ur own GPS checkpoints and let it fly
[21:41] <joe7dust> i guess whoever uses their EMP first would win
[21:41] * lopta waits for the vacuum-tube drones.
[21:41] <sireorion> lopta: i got one... it is called a "wife"
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[21:42] <lopta> My wife has little interest in technology. I'm starting to think she's right.
[21:42] <sireorion> lopta: time to change wife :P
[21:43] <ozzzy> well... the pi has departed again LOL
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[21:48] <joe7dust> It would be sweet if someone makes a 2000+ mAh 5v battery, then I could drop the DC-DC booster from my design
[21:48] <joe7dust> RPF could make a killing selling official batteries, wonder why they dont
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[21:49] <joe7dust> I'd glady pay double the price for "offical" on most parts
[21:49] <mfa298> joe7dust: there's loads of batteries out there that can be used
[21:49] <lopta> sireorion: I'll stick with the one I have now, thanks. ;-)
[21:50] <sireorion> lopta: hehe do that :P
[21:50] <mfa298> most of the ones for charging phones when out as an example, although the capacity ratings are more likely at lipo voltave (3.7v?)
[21:50] <lopta> joe7dust: You can buy them over the counter here. Not sure they're 2000mAh though.
[21:50] <joe7dust> oh I don't doubt that mfa298 but whether they are 5v and not a knockoff capacity is another question
[21:51] <mfa298> the actual cells will be around 3.7V but they'll have a boost circuit in to provide 5V
[21:51] <joe7dust> thatd be neat
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[21:52] <joe7dust> hopefully they dont catch fire i've seen a few reports of booster boards running really hot
[21:52] <joe7dust> if it was in the battery pack itself and pressed up against the batt with no airflow thats scarry :o
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[21:53] <lopta> My wife has one that's about the size of a roll of mints.
[21:53] <lopta> I've not checked the capacity of it.
[21:53] <joe7dust> sounds like a 18650.. would be too big for my projet
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[21:54] <lopta> brb, fancy coffee.
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[22:00] <joe7dust> my mini hdmi to hdmi adapter it literally bigger and heavier than the pi itself :o
[22:00] <joe7dust> you guys are insane with this little guy
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[22:05] <joe7dust> does the pi0 not boot without an sd card inserted? thought I 'd do a post test while the retropie image is flashing but no hdmi output or leds light up. chip feels warm
[22:06] <mfa298> all pi models need an SD card with firmware and OS
[22:06] <joe7dust> oh i know just thought it might be like a regular pc where with no harddrive you still get a bios/post
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[22:07] <Huczas> mfa298: not long with that :) fundation is going to upgrade in near feature witch RPi3 should work also witch booting only on USB(HDD or FLASH)
[22:07] <joe7dust> green led flash with the card iini :)
[22:07] <shauno> the closest thing the pi has to a post is the 'rainbow screen' when it boots
[22:07] <joe7dust> and linuxy stuff splashing about.. looks good
[22:07] <Huczas> joe7dust: nope, also, in RPi0 led is acting different than other rpi's
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[22:08] <joe7dust> thats interesting you were able to build it without a bios, didn't realize that is possible
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[22:08] <mfa298> Huczas: I know that, but it's not there yet, and not relevant for someone starting out
[22:08] <joe7dust> so i take it there is no firmware (at least flashable) eitherr ?
[22:09] <Huczas> joe7dust: firmware is in img
[22:09] <mfa298> joe7dust: the initial firmware (loaded from the SD card) is doing some of what a bios does on a standard PC
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[22:09] <joe7dust> well techinically that isn't a FW then :O
[22:09] <Huczas> thereis on boot partition
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[22:09] <shauno> it is, it's just stored in a flash chip on the sdcard instead of a flash chip on the board
[22:09] <joe7dust> o_O
[22:10] <joe7dust> TIL sdcards have firmware
[22:10] <mfa298> bios is just an intel PC thing, other computer types have different ways of doing it
[22:10] <joe7dust> and the pi doesn't
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[22:10] <shauno> well, your bios on a pc is just a small chunk of storage
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[22:10] <shauno> on the pi it's read off the card instead of read ooff the board. it makes less difference than it sounds :)
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[22:12] <Huczas> don't argue with that, just remember it and go forwart
[22:13] <joe7dust> looks like i need to buy a new keyboard, dont think this one is getting enough power. no numlock/caps leds light up and some of the keys won't bind in retropie
[22:15] <joe7dust> anyone remember those little chat keyboads you could slap on the bottom of a xbox360 contoller? something like that would be perfect
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[22:15] <lopta> What does the Raspberry Pi boot? Does it read some sort of boot record off the SD card?
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[22:15] <Huczas> lopta: yes
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[22:15] <mfa298> joe7dust: Rii have some small keyboards which are similar
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[22:16] <lopta> Is the boot record at the beginning of the SD card, before any partitions?
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[22:16] <Ascavasaion> lopta: I am guessing that because there are no bootable partitions on the SD cards here must be a bootstrap on the pi itself.
[22:17] <Ascavasaion> but I speak under correction.
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[22:18] <mfa298> there's enough on the chip to read a file from a FAT file system on the SD card ( and on the Pi3 USB/Network in the future)
[22:18] <joe7dust> i should probably go ahead and wire up my first switch, can already tell a reset switch will be much handier than plug unplugging this usb all the time -- they are stiff as heck and it scares me to put much force on them without much support around/behind
[22:18] <lopta> mfa298: ...so the file is a bootloader that chain loads the kernel itself?
[22:19] <mfa298> lopta: yes
[22:19] <lopta> ...wait, do all Pi images include a FAT partition?
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[22:23] <Rickta59> i thought the gpu loaded the file?
[22:24] <shauno> it does. generalizing it to "the chip" works for most uses though, since the whole joy of a SoC is they're the same thing
[22:24] <joe7dust> anyone have a good OS to recommend for emulation besides retropie? It is unexpectedly kind of poopy, 0 for 4 on trying to get programs to run and has a ton of stuff i dont need preloaded
[22:25] <joe7dust> just going to use it for GBA games
[22:26] <shauno> there's a couple of others .. piplay and .. another but the name escapes me
[22:27] <shauno> but they'll all be guilty of the same thing. a pre-built image trying to provide emulators, is going to have quite a few emulators installed by default :)
[22:27] <joe7dust> do these break easily? the usb ports legit make me nervous. takes more force that my desktops front usb a ports and that actually has a reinforcements around/behind it
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[22:27] <joe7dust> maybe i can shave some metal off my usb im using for power
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[22:31] <joe7dust> yay finally found the first game that works ... DOOM :)
[22:32] <joe7dust> so many memories on this... i still remeber spending my entire allowance to upgrade to a 14.4k modem
[22:32] <joe7dust> and then getting grounded for uploading the retail version of doom to a BBS
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[22:33] <joe7dust> sysop snitch on me :(
[22:33] <joe7dust> <3 CompUSA
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[22:34] <joe7dust> $100 for a modem that was a quarter the speed of eventual dialup spoeed
[22:34] <BurtyB> joe7dust, I don't know which version you have but v1.3 zero has a "bigger" socket than v1.2 for some reason
[22:34] <BurtyB> (usb sockets that is)
[22:36] <joe7dust> 1.3
[22:36] <joe7dust> and they are REALLY tight, hdmi & the 2 ports
[22:36] <joe7dust> as soon as I can I wiring up a reset switch im sure ill be using it a lot while figuring this out
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[22:36] <BurtyB> lucky you don't have a 1.2 then heh
[22:36] <joe7dust> some of the images on retro dont have a way to back out strangely or im dumb
[22:37] <joe7dust> dont supposed there is something akin to CTRL ALT DEL ?
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[22:39] <joe7dust> cool the sound works, first time testing the 3.5mm out on my monitor
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[22:42] <joe7dust> if anyone wanted to invest, i bet there is a great market for small hdmi screens that have a little speaker or two built in. the whole tft/pwm & wiring components setup is nightmarish
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[22:43] <ozzzy> well...the darned Pi is alive again
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[22:44] <joe7dust> playin doom on this little guy is more fun that i expected :) love you guys for making this <3
[22:44] <joe7dust> i should definitely get a controller using a keyboard is kind of poop
[22:45] <joe7dust> didn't reallly expect that since its the way it originally was controlled and i've never used a controller to play it
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[22:48] <joe7dust> oh i get it now, kb probably feels weird because i used to use a mouse
[22:51] <joe7dust> oo found the 60 fps setting... game is super slick now that its not locked to 40fps
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[22:51] <joe7dust> looks like it is literally faster now, TURBO MODE!!
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[23:02] <streulma> hello now I get Unhandled prefetch abort Unknown 1 0x001
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[23:14] <NicoHood> if i double the frambuffer setting, does this mean i also need double gpu_mem? framebuffer_depth=32
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