#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2016-06-09

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[1:12] <joe7dust> is there a way to bind a key combo to soft reset the pi zero? switches aren't here yet and I don't wanna have to yonk the power out everytime
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[1:13] <joe7dust> not to mention i heard a few people fried their SD cards doing that
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[1:13] <ckeltz> joe7dust: If you can bind a key combo to "shutdown -r now" using your WM, that should work fine
[1:14] <joe7dust> WM? I'm using retropie with a random usb kb
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[1:14] <ckeltz> WM = window manager
[1:14] <joe7dust> not even sure what that is tbh ill google it
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[1:15] <ckeltz> Apparently Retropie doesn't have one by default. Details on that here: https://github.com/RetroPie/RetroPie-Setup/wiki/FAQ#where-did-the-desktop-go
[1:15] <ckeltz> so you'll have to make a keybind another way
[1:16] <joe7dust> ahhh pooop. screw it ill be yonking the cord until my power switch here i guess
[1:17] <joe7dust> it will be a good torture test on my sd to see if i really need the luxury version of the dc-dc booster in the final setup to keep the sd card safe
[1:17] <ckeltz> joe7dust: Rather than corrupting your filesystem that way (and probably losing your saves), see if this thread helps you: https://redd.it/39b37y
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[1:20] <joe7dust> i found the shutdown option thanks tho
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[3:02] <k-man> hi
[3:02] <SyncYourDogmas> hey
[3:02] <k-man> can i make the rpi micro usb act like an ethernet connection like the BBB can do?
[3:02] <k-man> hi SyncYourDogmas
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[3:03] <SyncYourDogmas> you could buy an adapter I suppose
[3:03] <SyncYourDogmas> or tunnel ethernet through it
[3:03] <k-man> so it can't be done on the existing hardware?
[3:03] <SyncYourDogmas> what are you trying to do?
[3:04] <JK-47> $10 for a microusb ethernet dongle… or some weird hardware hack?
[3:04] <SyncYourDogmas> software, tunnel, bridge, translator proxy etc
[3:04] <JK-47> you can get an etherne board for $5, and solder it to gpio pins.
[3:05] <JK-47> http://www.dx.com/p/pcb-arduino-enc28j60-ethernet-module-blue-140971#.V1jAyZsrLqU
[3:05] <JK-47> but a dongle is cleaner.
[3:06] <SyncYourDogmas> what trafffic, ip?
[3:10] <shauno> k-man: you can on the zero. on the a+ you can do it with the fullsized usb port. but not on the others
[3:12] <shauno> (the power microusb isn't wired to data at all. so you can do it on any pi where there's a usb port wired straight to the soc. models with ethernet all run the usb via hub)
[3:13] <SyncYourDogmas> for just data you could though, strip of ethernet frame and put on usb one way, vice versa the other
[3:16] <joe7dust> does the data port on rpi0 provide the usual 5v rail as a typical usb port? My keyboard seems to be under powered, not even the tiny caps lock and numlock leds light up and have trouble getting some buttons to bind.
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[3:17] <[Saint]> if you can get USB host mode, and you can, you can do ethernet passthrough.
[3:17] <shauno> well, you can do a lot if you're willing to write your own drivers at each end. the fun with the usb-gadget stuff is having it behave as a standard usb device so you don't need to change the host
[3:17] <[Saint]> something something, dnsmasq, usbgadget, done.
[3:17] <SyncYourDogmas> not drivers just IP proxies
[3:17] <SyncYourDogmas> its not too bad in python and scapy
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[3:28] <joe7dust> o_O
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[3:43] <NotJimCarrey> can anyone tell me if it's at all possible to use this display with the Pi? I haven't been able to decipher the pins yet, but I do have a wiring diagram: https://i.imgur.com/5HBmesT.png
[3:46] <Valduare> be nice once pi’s have gigabit ethernet
[3:47] <Kromag> Valduare, or if we could upgrade the damn Ram
[3:47] <Kromag> and other things on it
[3:47] <Kromag> easily
[3:48] <Valduare> no need for that
[3:48] <Valduare> thats fine stuck on a model to model upgrade basis
[3:48] <Kromag> maybe not for you
[3:48] <Valduare> but connectivity etc
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[3:55] <k-man> shauno, ah i see
[3:55] <k-man> litgosoat
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[3:56] <Kromag> do you think they will make some sort of model with dimm slots so we can make upgrades to the ram
[3:57] <Kromag> or at least have custom builds
[3:57] <Kromag> anyone read anything on that
[3:57] <oq> no
[3:57] <Chillum> probably not
[3:58] <oq> the ram is stuck ontop of the soc
[3:58] <Kromag> Someone will come up with something
[3:58] <Kromag> yeah
[3:58] <Chillum> you want a motherboard
[3:58] <Kromag> I am talking of a new model
[3:58] <Chillum> they make small ones
[3:58] <Kromag> or a way to attatch one
[3:58] <[Saint]> Not with that SoC they won't, no.
[3:58] <oq> Kromag: just get a mini itx
[3:58] <Kromag> that would still have the speed
[3:58] <[Saint]> The board already addresses the max RAM it can.
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[3:58] <Kromag> oq i don't want one
[3:58] <[Saint]> No amount of trickery will allow for more with the same SoC.
[3:58] <Kromag> if I did i wouldn't hae purchased the Pi3's i have
[3:58] <Kromag> :)
[3:58] <[Saint]> save for maybe a few MB over SPI, perhaps? lol
[3:59] <Kromag> over SPI
[3:59] <Kromag> ?
[3:59] <Kromag> What is SPI
[3:59] <Chillum> the very basis of the pi is an integrated system on a chip. What you are describing is something very different
[3:59] <Chillum> more like a conventional computer
[3:59] <[Saint]> tl:dr: unless they suddenly decide to go with another SoC type, it ain't getting more RAM.
[3:59] <Kromag> Chillum, well I think it could be specifiacally modularized to build a modern day computer
[4:00] <Kromag> what is SPI though
[4:00] <Chillum> we have modern day modularized computers
[4:00] <Kromag> I heard of that somewhere else too
[4:00] <Chillum> SPI is a protocol for chips to talk to each other
[4:00] <Chillum> and it is not a good way to extend ram
[4:00] <Kromag> Chillum, never mind ou're missing my point
[4:00] <Chillum> I think I get your point
[4:00] <Chillum> that is not the problem
[4:00] <Kromag> I know you're not
[4:01] <Chillum> what exactly is your point then>
[4:01] <[Saint]> WHat we're saying is there's no reason to believe they'll change the SoC any time soon and it is already addressing the maximum amount of RAM it can.
[4:01] <Chillum> because what you are describing is a regular motherboard
[4:01] <[Saint]> It isn;t getting more without drastic changes.
[4:01] <Kromag> There's a way to do it without a fully fledged MOBO
[4:01] <[Saint]> Not with this SoC there isn;t, no.
[4:01] <Chillum> okay, when you attach a bunch of smaller boards to larger board the larger board is a motherboard
[4:02] <Chillum> ram chips go on motherboards
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[4:02] <Kromag> Chillum, bye mate
[4:02] <Chillum> cya
[4:02] <Zardoz> lol
[4:02] <Zardoz> Chillum: STFU :P
[4:02] <Chillum> lol
[4:02] <Kromag> he's on ignore
[4:02] <Zardoz> hey you :P
[4:03] <Kromag> I don't like to argue
[4:03] <oq> +why?
[4:03] <Zardoz> why?
[4:03] <Zardoz> then leave
[4:03] <[Saint]> And the aware for Most Passive Aggressive Tantrum goes to...
[4:03] <[Saint]> Kromag!
[4:03] <Chillum> perhaps he will get an answer he likes from someone else
[4:03] <oq> /ignore Kromag
[4:03] <oq> oops
[4:03] <[Saint]> <celebration noises>
[4:03] <Zardoz> |o?
[4:03] <Zardoz> haha
[4:03] <Kromag> I could care less
[4:03] <Chillum> I will just talk about him like he is not here since he cannot hear me
[4:03] <Kromag>  /ignore oq
[4:03] <Chillum> I love it when someone is so stupid they think I am stupid
[4:04] <[Saint]> /get_command_syntax_wrong
[4:04] <[Saint]> Am I doin' it right?
[4:04] <Zardoz> Chillum: how do you feel like to be on Kromag /ignorg.
[4:04] <Kromag> he loves it
[4:04] <oq> [Saint]: no, you need a double // instead of a space to be pro
[4:04] <[Saint]> Zardoz: feels like the refreshing taste of 5ive Gum.
[4:04] <Chillum> it is great I get to mock him without hurting his feelings
[4:04] <Kromag> I am not bisexual or anything so I am not going to sit there and argue like we're mates of some sort
[4:04] <Zardoz> [Saint]: LMAO
[4:04] <Kromag> over Ram and MOBOS
[4:05] <Chillum> "What is the soup de jour?"... "It means the soup of the day.", "sigh, what is the soup of the day?"... "sigh, every day the chef makes another soup, we call that the soup of the day"
[4:05] <[Saint]> Wow. Ignorant, *and* homophobic.
[4:05] <[Saint]> Way to go, champ.
[4:05] <Chillum> lol
[4:05] <Zardoz> lol
[4:05] <Kromag>  // would be for escape sequencing
[4:05] <Kromag> silly
[4:05] <oq> Chillum: yeah but whats in the soup de jour?
[4:05] <Kromag> bye [Saint]
[4:05] <Chillum> soup!
[4:06] <Zardoz> lmao
[4:06] <Chillum> geez he is going to ignore everyone who talks here
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[4:06] <Chillum> just join ##alone
[4:06] <[Saint]> I weep for the loss.
[4:06] <Zardoz> lmao
[4:06] <oq> eventually there will be noone left
[4:06] <Kromag> I'd like to know how one can find another so ignorant casting judgements and sitting there picking on someone
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[4:06] <Chillum> /ignore oq Zardoz Kromag [Saint]
[4:06] <Kromag> cause they voice an opinion about something
[4:07] <Zardoz> thank you for tonights entertainment #raspberrypi
[4:07] <Kromag> and you irrationally act out and attack that person in miniscule protusions
[4:07] <Kromag> like an asshole
[4:07] <Valduare> language Kromag
[4:07] <Chillum> miniscule protusions in your asshole??
[4:07] <Kromag> that's why you're all on ignore
[4:07] <oq> :(
[4:07] <[Saint]> Might want to get that checked out.
[4:07] <Kromag> Valduare, sorry.
[4:07] <Zardoz> omg
[4:07] <Zardoz> lol
[4:07] <Chillum> yes, several of us are in the wrong here
[4:08] <Chillum> you are doing great
[4:08] <Zardoz> am I wrong?
[4:08] <Chillum> (I think he is lying about ignoring us)
[4:08] <Kromag> then the mob mentallity just begins to follow suit
[4:08] <methuzla> ping gordonDrogon (might need a chap op soon)
[4:08] <methuzla> *chan
[4:08] <Kromag> lol'n and acting a complete mess
[4:09] <oq> methuzla: dude it's 3am in britain
[4:09] <Chillum> hey, what if the pi had a modular CPU? Then we could switch out the 4 core with an 8 core
[4:09] <Zardoz> modular pi?
[4:09] <Valduare> we could make the traces on the pcb moveable too
[4:10] <Valduare> and configure our own custom raspberry pi! :P
[4:10] <Zardoz> they cant even get that right on a phone let alone a pi
[4:10] <oq> Chillum: with pins? I'd think raspberry pi users have enough problems with the hardware as it is, I wouldn't trust them to socket a cpu right
[4:10] <Chillum> and upgrade the gpu to a gtx970 using the new pci express port
[4:10] <Kromag> Valduare, are you speaking in regards of what I was talking about ?
[4:10] <Kromag> about expanding the Pi
[4:10] <Chillum> lol
[4:10] <oq> Chillum: *1070
[4:10] <Kromag> like RAM per se or more//diff
[4:10] <Zardoz> pen in your own traces
[4:10] <Valduare> i didnt see you talking about that Kromag
[4:10] <Chillum> yes this is a new idea
[4:10] <Kromag> oh okay
[4:11] <Kromag> sounded similar to what I was speaking about
[4:11] <Kromag> :)
[4:11] <Chillum> ahaha
[4:11] <Valduare> you mentioned something about upgrading ram but the ram is ontop of the soc on the pi
[4:11] <ali1234> are you guys really arguing over the exact definition of a motherboard now?
[4:11] <Kromag> no that's not what I meant at all
[4:11] <Kromag> I am well aware of the construction of the Pi
[4:11] <ali1234> FACT: the chip used in the raspberry pi cannot support more than 1GB of RAM
[4:11] <Kromag> it's well documented all over the internet/webs
[4:11] <ali1234> so they'd need to add a CPU socket as well
[4:12] <Kromag> It was something of a Topic I opened for discussion that was so simplistic in nature that now has turned upside down into a debatable argument for no reason
[4:12] <ali1234> and this is an architecture limitation btw, not a packaging limitation
[4:12] <Kromag> so I am just going to go back to working on my 8 Pi3 cluster
[4:13] <Kromag> and a few other projects i have rolling around have a good night y'all
[4:13] <Chillum> good night, thanks for the laughs
[4:13] <Valduare> what i’d suggest Kromag is be fine with whatever specs come with the model you buy but i’d like to see gigabit and usb3 :P
[4:13] <ali1234> project aria i think it's called? modular phone?
[4:13] <ali1234> supposed to be released soon
[4:14] <Kromag> yeah definately a USB 3
[4:14] <Chillum> gigabit and usb3 would be great
[4:14] <ali1234> http://www.projectara.com/
[4:14] <Chillum> the networking speed really limits the use cases of the pi
[4:14] <oq> usb type 3
[4:14] <Chillum> USB III
[4:14] <oq> type c
[4:14] <Kromag> I mean they had said, for example, over at WDLabs that they designed the PiDrive specifically for the Pi3
[4:14] <Valduare> i would opt for gigabit over usb3 if given the choice
[4:14] <Kromag> and yet it comes with connections for 3.0
[4:14] <Zardoz> need PoE
[4:14] <oq> you know they lied about that
[4:14] <Kromag> but there is no such thing on Pi
[4:14] <Kromag> PiDrive space is even 314GiB
[4:15] <ali1234> they designed it specifically to extract money from pi owners yes :)
[4:15] <oq> but its not
[4:15] <Kromag> it's a custom HDD for the Pi3
[4:15] <Chillum> not really
[4:15] <Chillum> rebranded more like it
[4:15] <oq> it was 290 or something when you formatted it
[4:15] <Kromag> but we can't get no benefits from the speed capabilities of the 3.0 from the drive
[4:15] <Kromag> read/write speed
[4:15] <Valduare> its just a usb hdd with a y cable
[4:15] <ali1234> so what?
[4:15] <Kromag> cause we have no usb 3
[4:15] <Valduare> same hdd found in any wd passport
[4:15] <Zardoz> crappy rebraded non-capacity drives.
[4:15] <oq> I'd rather have a sata port
[4:15] <ali1234> using a USB 2 chipset on the thing probably would have made it even more expensive
[4:16] <Kromag> Valduare, it's the whole space being 314 which is pi
[4:16] <Zardoz> that failed testing at higher caps
[4:16] <Kromag> and a few other little things that link it to Pi
[4:16] <Kromag> that make it special
[4:16] <Valduare> there’s a 1t pi drive too
[4:16] <Zardoz> it's liek amd tri core cpus.
[4:16] <Kromag> and they did a huge tutorial thing on what you can do with it meaning project wise
[4:16] <Kromag> yeah they have that one too
[4:16] <Zardoz> like that is
[4:16] <Kromag> but the focus on the 314
[4:16] <Kromag> in their projects mostly
[4:16] <Kromag> 1tb is like 50 usd
[4:17] <Valduare> i boot my pi on iscsi
[4:17] <Kromag> the 314 is 34.99
[4:17] <Kromag> I have a PiDrive
[4:17] <Kromag> enclosure and all
[4:17] <Kromag> just got it 2 weeks ago
[4:17] <ali1234> pretty soon you'll be able to get 1TB microsd cards
[4:17] <ali1234> which is just crazy
[4:17] <Kromag> ali1234, that will be nice
[4:18] <Valduare> i wouldnt trust that much data on monolithic flash
[4:18] <Valduare> not for a long while
[4:18] <Kromag> Valduare, you know what we really need for the Pi
[4:18] <Kromag> is boot from usb
[4:18] <Kromag> without the SD
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[4:18] <Valduare> im fine with booting from sd to usb or iscsi
[4:18] <oq> I like how Kromag only replies to Valduare because hes ignored everyone else
[4:18] <Valduare> doesnt touch the micro sd much after that
[4:18] <ali1234> diskless operation would be more interesting
[4:19] <Valduare> lol oq
[4:19] <Kromag> ali1234, diskless Operation???
[4:19] <Kromag> what do you mean
[4:19] <Kromag> Valduare, I have never used iscsi so I have no-clue what you mean by any of that
[4:19] <ali1234> boot from ethernet or uploading firmware directly to RAM in USB device mode
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[4:20] <Kromag> I thought we had that already
[4:20] <Chillum> oq: lol
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[4:20] <Kromag> something about it
[4:20] <ali1234> the pi 3 supports network boot without SD card, but the software does not support it yet
[4:20] <Chillum> Valduare: you are the one true good person here it seems
[4:20] <Valduare> Kromag: iscsi is simply described as a hdd over network or a file that acts like a hdd over network
[4:20] <ali1234> the pi zero supports diskless USB device, but again the software does not support it yet
[4:20] <Kromag> what software
[4:20] <ali1234> the pi 3 also supports boot from USB without a SD card but again, the software doesn't
[4:20] <ali1234> the software = start.elf
[4:20] <Kromag> oh you mean the os
[4:21] <ali1234> the proprietary OS bits, yes
[4:21] <Kromag> yeah
[4:21] <Kromag> yeah that is exactly what I had read
[4:21] <Valduare> aye its been a long time now since the pi zero and pi3 came out they toted that fact and said it was weeks away from the usb boot being ready
[4:21] <Kromag> which I don't see why it does not support it
[4:21] <Valduare> how long now has it been and still not available heh
[4:21] <Kromag> everyone knows we would want to support booting from USB with out the SD
[4:21] <ali1234> it doesn't support it because if you load a start.elf over the network, it doesn't nkow how to load the root filesystem from anything but the SD card
[4:22] <Kromag> because of what ali1234, ??
[4:22] <Kromag> is there a way for us to manually fix that?
[4:22] <ali1234> because it isn't programmed yet?
[4:22] <Zardoz> yeah they are still working on it.
[4:22] <ali1234> no, because we don't have the sourceocde of those bits
[4:22] <ali1234> i mean you could rewrite start.elf. good luck with that
[4:22] <Kromag> oh ok
[4:23] <ali1234> network and USB drive booting are only available on the Pi 3 anyway
[4:23] <Valduare> energy better spent to do something else and wait for the smart guys to finish heh
[4:23] <Kromag> I have no experience with start.elf but I am a software engineer and reverse engineer
[4:23] <Kromag> for a living
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[4:23] <Zardoz> yup pi3 only
[4:23] <ali1234> someone actually did write a replacement start.elf that can boot a linux kernel
[4:23] <ali1234> but obviously it's nowhere near as good
[4:23] <Kromag> and I earned 3 houses and a 2014 BMW from the last 5 years of doing it
[4:24] <Kromag> so we don't even boot a fully linux kernel is what you're saying
[4:24] <ali1234> i didn't think there was much money in reverse engineering tbh
[4:24] <Kromag> in the Pi3?
[4:24] <Valduare> and my bid was just accepted for buying the newly put up Playboy mansion
[4:24] <Kromag> ali1234, yeah there is
[4:24] <Kromag> more so in reversing than developing
[4:24] <ali1234> like what tho?
[4:25] <Kromag> I'm not going to get into it on here
[4:25] <Kromag> not in this room
[4:25] <Zardoz> why?
[4:25] <Chillum> Valduare: you are the twinkie guy?
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[4:25] <Kromag> it's too hot of a topic and debatable and not everone likes hearing about it
[4:25] <ali1234> i would have thought that it would be mostly government work
[4:25] <ali1234> and they aren't known for paying well
[4:25] <Kromag> well yeah you have govmnt work
[4:26] <oq> Kromag: how could a softwware engineer need such handholding to format a harddrive a couple days ago?
[4:26] <Kromag> I use to do it in the Military
[4:26] <Chillum> China always needs good reverse engineers to copy other peoples work
[4:26] <Kromag> but I mostly did 96bravo demo explosives and construction
[4:26] <Chillum> oq: lol
[4:26] <ali1234> Chillum: yes, but... they don't pay well. :)
[4:26] <Kromag> when I was injured I started doing engineering with them
[4:26] <Kromag> then I left them all together
[4:26] <Kromag> medical discharge
[4:26] <ali1234> and the military as well... maybe it's just the UK... but public sector pays really bad here
[4:27] <Kromag> the military pays the most for FORTRAN and COBOL developers
[4:27] <ali1234> like GCHQ can't get the staff because they don't pay enough
[4:27] <Kromag> cause they have legacy, serious legacy, systems that they use
[4:27] <ali1234> anyone actually good just works for google instead
[4:27] <Kromag> and they can only be worked on with those languages continuing the software they have and firmware
[4:27] <ali1234> or y'know, any big tech company
[4:28] <Kromag> My old team I had 2 of the 4 other guys went to work for google
[4:28] <Kromag> and one went to work for Amazon
[4:28] <Kromag> the other works for himself like I do
[4:28] <Zardoz> ali1234: yeah but you better be really good...
[4:28] <ali1234> now they do pay well.. but i don't see google doing much RE work
[4:28] <Kromag> I don't work for Google
[4:28] <ali1234> or amazon, or ebay, or facebook.. because... why would they?
[4:28] <Kromag> and I bet the do a lot fo RE
[4:28] <Chillum> I have never understood why people think multiple decades of legacy cost is cheaper than just replacing it every so often
[4:28] <Kromag> they cloned things like Amazon ECHO
[4:29] <Kromag> Alexa
[4:29] <Chillum> though I guess they might have stability as a priority
[4:29] <Kromag> they have their own vraient
[4:29] <Kromag> I bet the RE it
[4:29] <ali1234> that's high level copying though
[4:29] <Kromag> they*
[4:29] <Kromag> no it's not
[4:29] <ali1234> i doubt they reverse engineered the code to find out how it posts a query on amazon's servers
[4:29] <Kromag> the whole mechanics of ALexa?
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[4:29] <Chillum> ali1234: be careful, if you disagree too much you will get ignored
[4:29] <Kromag> there's way more to it than that
[4:29] <ali1234> alexa the web ranking thing?
[4:29] <Kromag> Alexa has specialized recognition
[4:29] <Kromag> one of the best
[4:29] <Kromag> and the hardware it uses is of the best
[4:30] <Kromag> it's not a web ranking thing
[4:30] <Kromag> it's a smart thing
[4:30] <ali1234> http://www.alexa.com/ ?
[4:30] <Kromag> it uses voice recognition can control your home automation
[4:30] <Chillum> now I feel dumb
[4:30] <Kromag> it's Amazon's pet
[4:30] <Kromag> look it up on amazon
[4:30] <Kromag> they have Amazon Alexa, Dot, and TAP
[4:30] <Kromag> Alexa is the top of the line for 179usd
[4:31] <ali1234> seems to be a SaaS thing... like google's one
[4:31] <Kromag> the rest are just bleh
[4:31] <Kromag> albeit, TAP don't seem too bad
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[4:31] <Kromag> google copied Alexa
[4:31] <ali1234> can't really RE software that you can only access over the internet... maybe i'm just not good enough :)
[4:31] <Kromag> not with Saas
[4:31] <Kromag> but they have something I don't recall the name that mimics Alexa
[4:31] <Kromag> you can RE anything
[4:31] <ali1234> yeah google announced a similar thing at IO i think
[4:31] <Kromag> how do you think you learn
[4:32] <jamesd> google now, but its not a seperate device, basicly siri by google with more brains
[4:32] <joe7dust> alil234 you sure about that? people RE online MMO servers that way i think
[4:32] <Kromag> jamesd, no it's something else they came out with
[4:32] <ali1234> joe7dust: yes and no
[4:32] <Zardoz> ali1234: it's the same well when Google adds is ML to it later this year..
[4:32] <ali1234> joe7dust: those people are really RE'ing the client, not the server
[4:32] <Kromag> ali1234, yeah RE games online is huge money
[4:32] <Kromag> for building cheat systems
[4:32] <ali1234> hmm good point
[4:32] <Kromag> like http://fpscheats.com
[4:32] <Kromag> I use to work for them
[4:33] <ali1234> i don't really think of that as RE... it's more like pentesting
[4:33] <Kromag> they were not paying me enough and I quit the team back in 2010
[4:33] <Kromag> it's hard work
[4:33] <Chillum> joe7dust: there is making a compatible server with the client you RE'd, but that is not RE'n the server per sey
[4:33] <ali1234> but you are right
[4:33] <Chillum> just reinventing it
[4:33] <Kromag> keeping up to date especially with all the patches
[4:33] <Chillum> which is similar but distinct from reverse engineering
[4:33] <Kromag> don't get me wrong I made great money but they started hiring their family as devs
[4:33] <ali1234> now pentesting... plenty of money in that
[4:33] <Kromag> and paying them
[4:33] <Kromag> and they couldn't do shit
[4:33] <Kromag> wanting us other devs to teach them
[4:33] <Kromag> I said eh and quit
[4:34] <Kromag> I was with them for 4 years tho
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[4:34] <Kromag> did work on Call of Duty, Combat Arms mostly
[4:34] <Kromag> oh sorry about the sh*t
[4:34] <Kromag> word slipped
[4:34] <Kromag> I am on strong Cancer meds
[4:34] <Kromag> for pain
[4:34] <[Saint]> technically speaking sh*t is out too.
[4:35] <[Saint]> see /topic
[4:35] <Kromag> well I am going back to working on my project
[4:35] <Kromag> see y'all later
[4:35] <Chillum> if a tree falls and it is /ignored, does it make a sound?
[4:36] <Zardoz> well I am off to eat and watch some youtube and stuff.
[4:36] <oq> yes, it makes a sound for everyone but the ignorer
[4:36] <oq> [Saint]: saying sh*t is also against the rules fyi
[4:37] <Zardoz> would you guys stop saying ____. the rules.
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[4:38] <ali1234> yep, anything which is commonly understood as swearing, so even "****" is not allowed in context
[4:39] <Chillum> you can't use any symbol that is a substitute for that word
[4:39] <Chillum> oh darn i said "that word"!
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[4:40] <ali1234> also initialisms with swearing in them aren't allowed
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[4:42] <oq> I think we can all agree the rules are dumb, especially for a channel the foundation wants nothing to do with
[4:42] <ali1234> it's pretty standard
[4:42] <oq> ali1234: not on my freenode
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[4:43] <ali1234> well you must be on different channels to me
[4:44] <Chillum> if it is standard it is rarely enforced(not so much referring to here)
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[4:45] <ali1234> well ops have discretion
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[4:50] <Chillum> I try to play by the house rules
[4:50] <Chillum> been a wikipedia admin for 10 years and it is amazing how upset people get when you tell them they can't insult other people
[4:50] <Chillum> as though they were never exposed to the concept before
[4:50] <oq> wikipedia admins are the worst
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[4:50] * Chillum is the worst
[4:50] <oq> so much bias rampart in that house
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[4:51] <Chillum> I have been told by several peopel I am the worst of the admins
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[4:51] <Chillum> lol bias for what?
[4:51] <ali1234> wikipedia is really terrible but there is literally no other way it could work
[4:51] <oq> Chillum: check out the wikipedia article for gamergate for example
[4:51] <Chillum> ya, both sides think the admins are biased against them
[4:51] <oq> so completely and utterly one-sided
[4:52] <Chillum> which side do you think they are biased towards?
[4:52] <Chillum> because it is about even odds
[4:52] <oq> Chillum: try reading it
[4:52] <Chillum> I am very familiar with the issue
[4:52] <Chillum> probably much more so than most sane people
[4:52] <oq> obviously written by sjw's
[4:53] <ali1234> yeah let's not have this convo here
[4:53] <Chillum> lol @ neologisms
[4:53] <ali1234> because while i'm sure you are both capable of discussing it like adults, someone else will get upset eventually
[4:53] <Chillum> ali1234 is right
[4:53] <Chillum> this well goes deep
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[4:55] <martin290> hey everyone!
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[4:57] <Chillum> hey
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[4:58] <martin290> hows it going??
[4:59] <alex1a> anyone can see this updating ? https://freeboard.io/board/4MS0Ok
[5:00] <alex1a> or this ? http://dweet.io/follow/alex1a_raspberrypi1_sensor
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[5:00] <martin290> yup i see the first one updating
[5:00] <ali1234> both work for me
[5:01] <martin290> yup me too
[5:01] <Chillum> looks right alex1a
[5:01] <martin290> alex1a: did you make that?
[5:01] <alex1a> yeah i just need to correct some ssl error in requests package for python. he stop updating if was on loop for some time
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[5:02] <martin290> what back end language did you use??
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[5:03] <alex1a> martin290, dweet and freeboard frameworks support this, i use python
[5:03] <martin290> alex1a: is it ran off the pi? the server that is
[5:04] <martin290> that's really awesome
[5:05] <alex1a> i think i can put the code here, http://pastebin.com/XNmaMawK. carefull because have some parts of adafruit code that have license
[5:05] <martin290> ^^link not working
[5:06] <alex1a> u can test without DHT11 sensor, just reading vcgencmd os temperature
[5:06] <ali1234> remove .
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[5:06] <alex1a> martin290, http://pastebin.com/XNmaMawK
[5:07] <alex1a> credits to http://helloraspberrypi.blogspot.pt/2015/04/create-dashboards-for-dweetio-things.html and to https://github.com/adafruit/Adafruit_Python_DHT
[5:07] <martin290> alex1a: can i ask you a quick question about your code?
[5:08] <alex1a> martin290, ofcourse, i'm new in python btw
[5:08] <joe7dust> my god why did i just read that whole thing about gamegate... what a waste of life
[5:09] <Chillum> lol, both sides are stupid
[5:09] <Chillum> that is my non-biased opinion
[5:10] <joe7dust> yep and it was a completely stupid thing... not sure why so many journalists even bothered to cover it
[5:10] <ali1234> Chillum: does wikipedia save al the discussion pages forever?
[5:10] <ali1234> because in 20 years that will probably be more valuable than the article text on pages like that one
[5:10] <Chillum> ya
[5:10] <martin290> alex1a: line 38: humidity, temperature = Adafruit_DHT.read_retry(sensor, pin) ... my question is, what is that doing? setting two variables at the same time?
[5:10] <Chillum> all of it
[5:10] <Chillum> just horrible to read
[5:10] <ali1234> horrible to read because we are too close to it today
[5:11] <ali1234> but for historians it will be real interesting
[5:11] <alex1a> martin290, i ask the the same thing :D it's adafruit code. your question is my question
[5:11] <Chillum> people need to stop putting the word "gate" after things, it is the last part of the name of a hotel ffs
[5:11] <martin290> alex1a: haha i've never seen that in another language before
[5:11] <alex1a> maybe someone can help us
[5:11] <ali1234> martin290: it's a tuple
[5:11] <martin290> there is something called "out" in c# but it does it a bit differently =
[5:12] <martin290> ali1234: i've heard of that before, not exactly sure what it is though
[5:12] <ali1234> it's literally n variables in one
[5:12] <alex1a> martin290, http://www.tutorialspoint.com/python/python_tuples.htm i get it
[5:12] <martin290> how does it know which variable to assign to what?
[5:13] <ali1234> a,b = x,y is the same as a = x; b = y
[5:13] <alex1a> i think the order come from .read_retry (import adafruit?)
[5:13] <ali1234> with a function, the function would do "return x,y"
[5:13] <ali1234> then a,b = foo() would be the same
[5:14] <martin290> ali1234: so the order it returns in, it assigns the values in that order?
[5:14] <ali1234> yes
[5:14] <martin290> ah
[5:14] <martin290> makes perfect sense now
[5:14] <ali1234> however, a tuple is also a single value
[5:14] <martin290> sounds like an array to me
[5:14] <ali1234> so you can do t = x,y; a,b = t
[5:14] <alex1a> martin290, https://github.com/adafruit/Adafruit_Python_DHT/blob/3e71e8c1b95e0e99cc002e3655f64d727a28ac92/Adafruit_DHT/common.py
[5:15] <ali1234> it is similar to an array but it has different properties
[5:15] <ali1234> like each item can be a different type
[5:15] <martin290> so maybe like an interface?
[5:15] <ali1234> eh... no nothing like an interface
[5:15] <martin290> oh ok lol
[5:15] <alex1a> martin290, return (humidity, temperature) > humidity, temperature = Adafruit_DHT.read_retry(sensor, pin)
[5:15] <ali1234> just think of it as a bunch of variables packed together
[5:16] <martin290> i think i understand
[5:16] <ali1234> kind of like a struct... except it has no specific type
[5:16] <martin290> ah
[5:16] <Berg> i always try to give variables names that have meaning
[5:16] <alex1a> like some sort of enum in c#=
[5:16] <ali1234> logically, it's like how functions can have multiple arguments
[5:16] <alex1a> ?*
[5:17] <ali1234> with tuples, functions can also return multiple values in a quite similar way
[5:17] <alex1a> forget my stupid question
[5:17] <ali1234> but this is a 100 foot view
[5:17] <martin290> yeah
[5:17] <martin290> how long have you been using python, ali1234?
[5:18] <martin290> it looks like a relatively easy language to learn
[5:18] <martin290> just by looking at the code, i can understand what's going on... for the most part
[5:18] <ali1234> probably 15 years
[5:18] <martin290> whoa, so you're a super ninja then
[5:18] <ali1234> python is designed to be easy to read
[5:18] <alex1a> martin290, you will get this error "requests.exceptions.sslerror" in .requests()
[5:18] <Berg> I did a python tutorial from a use UNI for free
[5:18] <ali1234> that is why they decided to use whitespace for flow control
[5:19] <ali1234> i've only been decent at python programming for perhaps a couple of years
[5:19] <martin290> is it relatively easy to make a python web server on the pi?
[5:19] <ali1234> i use a lot of languages... mostly i don't learn the details
[5:19] <Berg> very easy
[5:19] <ali1234> tuples aren't just in python though, they are used in many languages
[5:19] <martin290> really?
[5:19] <ali1234> python webserver can be started with no code actually
[5:19] <Berg> bottle.py is web site and server
[5:20] <ali1234> you dont even need bottle, there's one in the standard library. you're not meant to use it in production though
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[5:20] <Berg> martin290: https://www.coursera.org/learn/interactive-python-1
[5:21] <garth> Hi. Anyone here know how much current can be sink by the Pi (v3 if it matters), when the GPIO is used as an input?
[5:21] <ali1234> i think it's 15mA?
[5:22] <Berg> i have finnished my speech recognition code with sound level activantion and goodgle speech recognition wona see?
[5:22] <martin290> ali1234: do you know if there's a good amount of hosts that support python?
[5:22] <martin290> Berg: sure
[5:22] <ali1234> what do you mean by hosts?
[5:22] <martin290> hosts like... digitalocean
[5:22] <martin290> godaddy
[5:22] <martin290> if i want to make my code and put it into production
[5:23] <ali1234> ah... lots support it but i don't know details. most people don't use shared/managed hosts these days, do they?
[5:23] <martin290> digitalocean is dedicated
[5:23] <ali1234> if you have dedicated server you can install whatever you want on it
[5:23] <martin290> i use hostgator but im going to switch real quick
[5:23] <ali1234> of course you then are responsible for keeping it secure
[5:23] <martin290> ah ok, that answers my question then :)
[5:24] <garth> ali1234: I've seen 16mA, but the site then made a vague reference to it being in output mode and that input mode is higher, but value was given
[5:24] <Kromag> ali1234, what is Python Webserver?
[5:24] <Berg> http://pastebin.com/SNNjz2Nj
[5:24] <garth> err: .. no value was given
[5:24] <Kromag> Is there a good web server that could be installed on the Raspbian?
[5:24] <ali1234> garth: it's the same for input/output, plus also the total for all pins should not exceed 51mA apparently
[5:24] <Berg> its not all my code its many scripts pluged together
[5:25] <martin290> Kromag: nginx
[5:25] <Kromag> What is that exactly ?
[5:25] <garth> ali1234: that's useful to know, thx
[5:25] <Kromag> cause I was going to install Ubuntu Mate with LAMP
[5:25] <Berg> it only has one command at the moment "end program"
[5:25] <Kromag> but if I could keep my Raspbian OS insall and use something on there that would be great
[5:25] <martin290> Kromag: i think that's a big heavy
[5:25] <Kromag> how heavy
[5:26] <martin290> yeah, use raspbian and use nginx
[5:26] <martin290> um, i think it's at least 2x bigger (size wise) than raspbian
[5:26] <Kromag> martin290, someone already had it setup on a Pi2 the Ubuntu Mate with LAMP
[5:26] <ali1234> just install lamp on raspbian
[5:26] <ali1234> apache is fine on a pi
[5:26] <martin290> apache is bloated
[5:26] <martin290> lol
[5:26] <Kromag> well the tut i was following showed the MAte os
[5:26] <ali1234> yeah but pi is really slow anyway so it doesn't matter
[5:27] <Berg> yes its bloated but it works fine on pi
[5:27] <martin290> haha that doesn't mean you should make it slower
[5:27] <Kromag> what is python webserver you were talking about
[5:27] <Berg> who is you
[5:27] <martin290> that's like saying my car is slow, so im going to put cinder blocks in the back because it's already slow
[5:27] <ali1234> https://docs.python.org/3/library/http.server.html
[5:27] <Kromag> ali1234, is that for me?
[5:28] <martin290> i personally use nginx + php + mysql + raspbian
[5:28] <martin290> that is my "LAMP" server
[5:28] <ali1234> martin290: installing nginx on a pi is like saying your car is too small to carry 50 passengers so you're going to get a roofrack
[5:29] <Berg> i had a dog name lamp i shot it cause it was dim
[5:29] <Kromag> nginx is big?
[5:29] <martin290> nginx isn't big
[5:29] <alex1a> someone can tell me if nginx is supported in a rpi b with a raspbian lite ?
[5:29] <ali1234> Kromag: yes
[5:29] <Berg> one sec have to satart my pi
[5:29] <martin290> 1 sec i want to show you something ali1234
[5:31] <Berg> nginx is not in jessie lite by default
[5:31] <Berg> alex1a:
[5:32] <Berg> you can install it i suspect
[5:32] <martin290> here is just one article: https://www.jeremymorgan.com/blog/programming/raspberry-pi-web-server-comparison/
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[5:33] <ali1234> says apache did 25000 tx in two minutes
[5:33] <Kromag> Is nginx in Raspbian the normal OS install?
[5:33] <ali1234> that's plenty for a dev system
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[5:33] <martin290> Raspbian is the "go to" OS for raspberry pi's
[5:34] <martin290> there are others, but i think most people use Raspbian
[5:34] <Kromag> are there any web servers already on the Raspbian os?
[5:34] <Kromag> I was using Ubuntu Mate
[5:34] <Kromag> on one of my Pis
[5:34] <Kromag> my son spilled soda on the damn thing
[5:34] <martin290> i'm not too sure if there's one out of the box
[5:34] <martin290> out of the box, meaning, comes with the OS
[5:34] <alex1a> berg, i will try ty
[5:35] <Kromag> I know what out of the box means
[5:35] <martin290> but if there isn't, it's super easy to install
[5:35] <martin290> Kromag: what is your objective?
[5:35] <Kromag> I want to do the LAMP server
[5:35] <Kromag> I heard that was real good
[5:35] <martin290> do you have a project in mind?
[5:35] <Kromag> I am asking about Web Servers
[5:35] <Kromag> :/
[5:36] <Kromag> lol
[5:36] <garth> Kromag: you probably could rescue the memory card if you just want to get back to how it was before the spillage
[5:36] <Berg> use bottle.py as a learning machine its evil hard for some folks
[5:36] <Berg> i found it to be fun
[5:37] <methuzla> Kromag, do you have no preference as to what the constituent parts of the LAMP stack are?
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[5:37] <martin290> Kromag: this is what you're looking for: https://www.stewright.me/2015/08/tutorial-install-apache-php-and-mysql-on-a-raspberry-pi-2/
[5:37] <Kromag> garth I the card is fine
[5:38] <Kromag> it ruined parts of the board perhaps not sure
[5:38] <Kromag> I am letting it dry out
[5:38] <Kromag> in some rice
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[5:38] <Kromag> methuzla, I really would like to run asp.net on the server
[5:39] <martin290> Kromag: mono
[5:39] <Kromag> but I will settle for HTML and javascript
[5:39] <Kromag> what do you mean mono
[5:39] <martin290> Kromag: mono is essentially the asp.net "equivalent" for linux
[5:39] <martin290> i've never used it before so i have no idea how it is
[5:39] <Kromag> I have used it I don't like Mono
[5:40] <martin290> if you want to settle for html and javascript, node.js is a good option
[5:40] <martin290> it's fast as **** too
[5:40] <Kromag> for now I just want an HTML perhaps HTML5 Javascript server
[5:40] <Kromag> this is what I don't like about linux
[5:40] <Kromag> you gotta have too many details
[5:40] <martin290> that link i sent you will work perfect for you
[5:40] <Kromag> on windows I just setup IIS
[5:40] <Kromag> badda boom done
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[5:40] <Kromag> or Windows server 2012 IIS
[5:40] <Kromag> done
[5:41] <Kromag> don't have to be all technical with all the jargon
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[5:41] <martin290> Kromag: follow those steps, see how long it takes
[5:41] <garth> Kromag: you might want to give it a good wash and then let it dry out (using de-ionized or distilled water, not tap).
[5:41] <Berg> run windows in your pi?
[5:41] <Kromag> garth I have 9 of them
[5:41] <martin290> Berg: nice ;)
[5:41] <Kromag> 8 work
[5:41] <Kromag> I am not worried right now about that
[5:41] <Kromag> and I certainly am not washing it
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[5:41] <Kromag> Berg, tried that
[5:41] <Kromag> windows IoT
[5:42] <Kromag> it sucked royally
[5:42] <Kromag> PoS
[5:42] <martin290> haha
[5:42] <Kromag> it was the slowest thing
[5:42] <Kromag> and kept freezing up
[5:42] <Berg> put it in the oven and bast at 250C for 20 mins
[5:42] <Kromag> total garbage
[5:42] <martin290> your quickest option is the link i sent you
[5:42] <martin290> it won't take long
[5:42] <Kromag> and just to install it they make you go through a ton of BS
[5:42] <martin290> if you have questions, come back here and ask
[5:42] <Kromag> and you are forced to do the install via Ethernet
[5:42] <Kromag> no wifi
[5:42] <Kromag> through NOOBS
[5:43] <Kromag> martin290, I am sorry man, what link was it again?
[5:43] <methuzla> possibly a raspberry pi (and linux) are not the best option for you
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[5:43] <martin290> Kromag: first you praise microsoft for IIS and windows server, and now you're saying windows iot sucks royally lol
[5:43] <martin290> https://www.stewright.me/2015/08/tutorial-install-apache-php-and-mysql-on-a-raspberry-pi-2/
[5:43] <Kromag> I will be the judge of that
[5:43] <Kromag> yeah IoT windows is not windows man
[5:43] <Kromag> the two are totally different beasts
[5:44] <martin290> it has windows in the name lol
[5:44] <Berg> heheheh
[5:44] <martin290> made by microsoft....
[5:44] <Kromag> and me liking windows or windows server has no relation what so ever to IoT hobby OS' PoS
[5:44] <martin290> ;)
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[5:44] <Kromag> martin290, is that for me?
[5:44] <martin290> hahahha
[5:44] <martin290> Kromag: yup, https://www.stewright.me/2015/08/tutorial-install-apache-php-and-mysql-on-a-raspberry-pi-2/
[5:44] <Kromag> stop trying to aggrevate please
[5:44] <martin290> follow those steps
[5:44] <martin290> come back if you have questions
[5:44] <Kromag> Does it matter that I am running Pi3
[5:45] <martin290> nope
[5:45] <Kromag> and that's for LAMP server?
[5:45] <martin290> yup
[5:45] <Kromag> ok
[5:45] <martin290> you'll be surprised how easy it is
[5:46] <martin290> mysql is pretty cool too
[5:46] <martin290> but that's another beast (compared to html and javascript)
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[5:48] <Kromag> Wow
[5:48] <Kromag> wix uses NGINX Plus
[5:48] <Kromag> I didn't know that
[5:48] <Kromag> I know mysql
[5:49] <Kromag> I am a software engineer // reverse engineer for a living
[5:49] <Kromag> :)
[5:49] <Berg> wix is that website builder?
[5:49] <Kromag> I use MySQL nosql like ravenDB
[5:49] <Kromag> yes Berg
[5:49] <Kromag> MS SQL
[5:49] <Kromag> SQLite
[5:49] <Kromag> thanks for that link though martin290
[5:50] <martin290> Kromag: no problem
[5:50] <Berg> WELL AFTER ALL THIS I USE oops caplock i use bottle,py and mongo if needed
[5:50] <Kromag> I am debating on setting it up right now if it's not really that fast
[5:50] <Kromag> cause I have other things I am doing right now too
[5:50] <martin290> Kromag: what language(s) do you program in?
[5:50] <Kromag> I also fix//build computers and am working on a computer right now too lol
[5:50] <Kromag> for my Nephew
[5:50] <Kromag> he just brought it here this morning
[5:50] <Kromag> martin290, a lot
[5:51] <Berg> http://bottlepy.org/docs/dev/tutorial.html#installation
[5:51] <Kromag> what is all this bottlepy
[5:51] <martin290> Kromag: which ones do you know the best?
[5:51] <Berg> super hard you need brains to use thbis
[5:51] <Kromag> I know them all pretty much the same
[5:51] <Kromag> which do I prefer?
[5:51] <Kromag> .net
[5:51] <Kromag> C#
[5:51] <Kromag> and Asp.net
[5:51] <Kromag> Xamarin
[5:51] <Berg> only the smartes folks use bottle
[5:51] <Berg> :)
[5:51] <martin290> Kromag: i use c# and ms sql at work
[5:51] <Kromag> but I do a lot of drivers and what not in C/C++
[5:51] <martin290> in a sql dev
[5:52] <martin290> thats awesome
[5:52] <Kromag> as well as sometimes making device drivers in MASM32 for Win10
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[5:52] <Kromag> I just got integration for MASM inside VS
[5:52] <Kromag> but I like it outside better
[5:52] <Kromag> nothing special
[5:52] <Kromag> and it was a PITA setting it up
[5:52] <martin290> masm?
[5:53] <Kromag> microsoft asssembler
[5:53] <martin290> ah ok
[5:53] <Kromag> I either use MASM or PoASM
[5:53] <Kromag> PoASM has a nice IDE with there Pelles C
[5:53] <Kromag> which there implimentation of C and the IDE make coding in C pretty awesome
[5:54] <Kromag> nice and simple
[5:54] <Kromag> no distractions
[5:54] <Kromag> martin290, http://www.smorgasbordet.com/pellesc/
[5:54] <Kromag> check it out if you're interested
[5:55] <Kromag> martin290, http://www.masm32.com/download.htm
[5:55] <Kromag> if you run on Windows 10 they have a different download for that
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[5:55] <Kromag> but I just like keeping in practice with assembler sometimes so I will write things in that for a while
[5:56] <Kromag> it was one of the fist languages I picked up with my father when I started @ 6 years old
[5:56] <Kromag> before he passed away
[5:56] <Kromag> he use to write FORTRAN COBOL for the air force
[5:58] <martin290> wow, assembly
[5:58] <martin290> do people even use that anymore?
[5:58] <Kromag> yes quite a few
[5:58] <ali1234> i use it all the time
[5:58] <Kromag> martin290, it is way easier than you'd expect
[5:58] <Kromag> seriously
[5:58] <Kromag> I found it much easier to learn Assembler than C#
[5:58] <Kromag> for example
[5:58] <martin290> what?!
[5:59] <ali1234> i always say if you can use a pocket calculator you can write assembler
[5:59] <oq> it's not the difficulty, it's the tediousness
[5:59] <Kromag> It's not even tedius anymore
[5:59] <stiv> learning a bit of assembler makes C easy. or easier.
[5:59] <martin290> c# is much higher level language than assembly
[5:59] <Kromag> ou have macros
[5:59] <Kromag> you*
[5:59] <Kromag> and you can make templates
[5:59] <Kromag> say you're doing a windows form app
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[5:59] <Kromag> You can have a template setup just like in .net
[5:59] <Kromag> for winforms C#
[5:59] <martin290> Kromag: you ever use IronPython?
[6:00] <Kromag> only major difference is you're working directly with Windows API
[6:00] <Kromag> and you have to a decent understanding of all that
[6:00] <Kromag> martin290, no I never used that
[6:00] <Kromag> I am just now having time for Linux
[6:00] <Kromag> I have dabbled in linux and python in the past
[6:00] <Kromag> but now I actually have time due to health
[6:00] <Kromag> and working for myself again
[6:00] <martin290> coming from windows to linux... Linux is.... different
[6:01] <Kromag> I am not moving to linux
[6:01] <martin290> Kromag: i hope everything is ok
[6:01] <Kromag> I am utilizing it as a tool basically
[6:01] <Kromag> for things like Pi
[6:01] <Kromag> I hope so too
[6:01] <martin290> i know, i'm just saying, using linux when you've used windows a lot is pretty different
[6:01] <Kromag> yeah I am finding that out with my pi's
[6:02] <Kromag> but I enjoy it even tho it can get pretty darn confusing with all the terminal stuff
[6:02] <martin290> the thing that tripped me up the most is the credentials/user stuff
[6:02] <Kromag> however I use Power Shell a lot in windows
[6:02] <Kromag> it's still not the same
[6:02] <martin290> nope, a bit different
[6:02] <Kromag> oh like sudo blah blah
[6:02] <Kromag> stuff like that?
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[6:02] <martin290> yup
[6:02] <Kromag> yeah me too
[6:02] <martin290> sudp atp-get install package-name
[6:02] <martin290> apt-get*
[6:03] <Kromag> when i had to format my PiDrive via the Pi and do some other things
[6:03] <Kromag> I found out real quick
[6:03] <Kromag> I formatted the HDD and mounted it
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[6:03] <Kromag> and it was a huge PITA for me
[6:03] <martin290> once you do it over and over again it gets easier, just like anything else
[6:03] <Kromag> I came here for help actually
[6:03] <Kromag> yeah I re-did the process a few times
[6:03] <martin290> Kromag: you ever use php?
[6:03] <Kromag> kept formatting the drive and mounting it trying to build a memory muscle
[6:04] <Kromag> yeah I have done a few sites in php
[6:04] <Kromag> I use to do work on http://swcombine.com
[6:04] <martin290> Kromag: you like it?
[6:04] <Kromag> which is all php
[6:04] <Kromag> I don't prefer it
[6:04] <Kromag> but I have no problem using it if I like the reason(s) I am needing it
[6:04] <Kromag> or if the price is right
[6:05] <martin290> i just got my debugger working in php
[6:05] <martin290> makes life 10x easier now...
[6:05] <Kromag> like i had no issues using it when working on the game engine for http://swcombine.com/
[6:05] <martin290> at least when programming in php :)
[6:05] <Kromag> Then had paid for me to get Zen
[6:05] <Kromag> this was back in 2009 and 2010
[6:05] <Kromag> Zen was not that cheap either
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[6:06] <Kromag> but they knew me from my other programming ventures
[6:06] <Kromag> and the owner of the site knows me personally
[6:06] <Kromag> only from online perspective though
[6:07] <Kromag> do you have any works you have done in PHP yet?
[6:07] <martin290> thats awesome
[6:07] <Kromag> that you can show?
[6:07] <martin290> Kromag: not really... im just getting into it
[6:07] <martin290> i do a whole lot more sql stuff
[6:07] <martin290> lol
[6:07] <martin290> that's the language i'm best at
[6:08] <Kromag> you don't make apps with sql though
[6:08] <Kromag> that's the backend
[6:08] <Kromag> part of it
[6:08] <martin290> no but you need a database
[6:08] <Kromag> for most apps yes
[6:08] <martin290> if i made an app in c# i'd refuse to use linq to sql
[6:08] <Kromag> why
[6:08] <Kromag> that's obsurd
[6:08] <martin290> the queries it generates are horrible
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[6:09] <Kromag> hell now
[6:09] <martin290> have you seen them?
[6:09] <Kromag> I use it all the time
[6:09] <martin290> complex queries?
[6:09] <Kromag> well yeah
[6:09] <martin290> lol
[6:09] <martin290> do a test
[6:09] <Berg> use mongo
[6:09] <Kromag> I can't right now
[6:09] <Berg> more gooder
[6:09] <Kromag> I am doing a bunch of stuff atm
[6:09] <Kromag> I gotta get back to
[6:09] <martin290> well, my point is.. linq is not only overhead, but it writes bad queries
[6:10] <martin290> good, hand-written queries will always outperform linq
[6:10] <martin290> and i believe that not many people write good queries
[6:10] <martin290> which is about 80% of the performance issues... on the database side
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[6:10] <Kromag> yeah not many people do
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[6:11] <Goldschlager> Hello all
[6:11] <Berg> g'day
[6:11] <sir_galahad_ad> o/
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[6:12] <martin290> hey Goldschlager
[6:12] <Goldschlager> Anyone have any luck connecting pi to a dumbphone for tether?
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[6:12] <Kromag> anyways thanks for the link(s) martin290, I am going back to work
[6:13] <martin290> Kromag: np
[6:13] <martin290> good luck
[6:13] <Kromag> ty
[6:13] <Goldschlager> How's everyones night going
[6:14] <Berg> Im gona become a Xman they have free dental
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[6:14] <martin290> Goldschlager: good, how about you??
[6:14] <Berg> whats cooking for you Goldschlager
[6:14] <Goldschlager> Uncle Sam provides that too :P
[6:14] <Goldschlager> :D
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[6:15] <Berg> dingo
[6:15] <Goldschlager> I'm cooking right now. on a nightwatch and its still in the 90's
[6:15] <martin290> Goldschlager: where are you??
[6:15] <Goldschlager> South Dakota
[6:15] <Goldschlager> you?
[6:15] <Berg> whats nation on this blue pearl of a planet you in?
[6:16] <Berg> <--aussie
[6:16] <Berg> not hot its winter
[6:16] <Berg> only 23C
[6:16] <Goldschlager> <-- US
[6:16] <martin290> Goldschlager: what part of the us?
[6:16] <martin290> CA?
[6:16] <martin290> AZ?
[6:16] <Goldschlager> South Dakota…haha… not many have heard of that state
[6:17] <Berg> i have
[6:17] <martin290> haha i have too
[6:17] <Goldschlager> Most think we still have covered wagons and horses to get around
[6:17] <martin290> it doesn't get much news though
[6:17] <martin290> hahaha
[6:17] <Berg> they dont have KFC there?
[6:17] <Goldschlager> They do…super dirty place to eat though
[6:18] <martin290> i just found out the mcdonalds near me has roaches....
[6:18] <Goldschlager> no, not much news from here… Unless they put a new face on Mt. Rushmore
[6:18] <Berg> i like that place
[6:18] <Berg> its full of rock
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[6:19] <Berg> we have rock here to
[6:19] <martin290> good chatting with y'all, i gotta get to bed, work in the AM
[6:19] <Berg> night
[6:19] <martin290> have a good night!
[6:19] <Goldschlager> 'night Martin290
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[6:19] <Berg> 2.30pm here
[6:19] <Goldschlager> 11:20pm here
[6:19] <Goldschlager> 6 hours and 40min til my shift is over
[6:19] <Berg> you live on the dark side
[6:20] <Berg> what ya do Goldschlager
[6:20] <Goldschlager> when I get off work it'll be you on the dark side
[6:20] <Goldschlager> Private security for an oil pipline
[6:20] <Berg> now n ow no need to be factual
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[6:20] <Goldschlager> :)
[6:20] <Berg> you have oil pipes with body guards?
[6:20] <Berg> wow rich pipe
[6:21] <Goldschlager> It's being built, the equipment is super expensive, so having someone to watch is a small investment to them
[6:21] <Berg> im a retires mad pi coder and investigator of strange projects no one else even thopught of
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[6:22] <Goldschlager> I'm literally parked in a bean field right now
[6:22] <Berg> my latest adventure is finding the USB port on my dog so i can pi enable him
[6:22] <Goldschlager> a mad pi coder, eh?
[6:22] <Berg> well maybe not so much a coder
[6:23] <Berg> :)
[6:23] <Goldschlager> have you checked under the tail?
[6:23] <Berg> just mad
[6:23] <Goldschlager> haha
[6:23] <Goldschlager> that might only have output though
[6:23] <Berg> he seems to run away every time i try to plug the cable in but not realy tried that hard
[6:24] <Goldschlager> Have you tethered a basic phone to a pi before?
[6:24] <Berg> not
[6:24] <Goldschlager> crap
[6:24] <Berg> I doing more gpio and speech stuff
[6:24] <Berg> well today anyway
[6:25] <Goldschlager> I think I'm on the right track, but then my USB cable crapped out, won't have another until the 15th
[6:25] <Berg> plugging a phone into a pi would be more software then hard wiring?
[6:25] <Goldschlager> yup
[6:26] <Goldschlager> I hate waiting on parts for a project, I usually forget where I left off
[6:26] <Berg> do a google search for scripts maybe
[6:26] <Berg> what language you like?
[6:26] <Goldschlager> english….haha <---US only english
[6:26] <Berg> im waiting on a boost converte .9v to 5v
[6:26] <Berg> scripting ;language
[6:27] <Goldschlager> ohhhhh
[6:27] <Goldschlager> I pretty much just go by what other people have already created.
[6:28] <Goldschlager> I don't understand it enough yet to dare attempt my own thing
[6:29] <Berg> hmm
[6:29] <Berg> so how do you tell you pi it has given birth to a phone?
[6:29] <Goldschlager> plug it in :)
[6:29] <Goldschlager> it finds it under lsusb
[6:29] <Berg> and then?
[6:29] <Goldschlager> then communicating is don by ppp
[6:30] <Berg> by that phone?
[6:30] <Chillum> phone to pi protocol?
[6:30] <Berg> oooo
[6:30] <Goldschlager> no idea what it stands for… i just know ppp is the main package for that
[6:30] <Huczas> :D
[6:30] <Berg> so your issue is the hardware only
[6:31] <Berg> you have to make waiting your friend grasshopper
[6:31] <Huczas> i think he wand use ppp protocol like old analog modems, to connect internet
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[6:31] <sir_galahad_ad> ppp? was point to point protocol
[6:31] <Goldschlager> haha, the fact i'm stuck waiting on a cable is frusterating
[6:31] <sir_galahad_ad> back in the day anyways
[6:31] <Goldschlager> the other end of the issue is with the service provider
[6:32] <joe7dust> I think it would be pretty cool to make your own phone with a pi zero
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[6:32] <Goldschlager> that sounds correct sir
[6:32] <Berg> so sit here and tell us how you feel about that
[6:32] <joe7dust> not sure on the legalities and who on earth would sell you the gsm chips, etc. tho
[6:32] <Berg> how does that make you feel?
[6:32] <Goldschlager> it's part of the cell plan, so legally it is fine
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[6:33] <Goldschlager> and its through cdma instead of gsm
[6:33] <Goldschlager> on 1xrtt or EV service
[6:33] <Huczas> ohhh USA in there? :D
[6:33] <Goldschlager> so about 12 - 30KB/s
[6:33] <Goldschlager> yup
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[6:34] <Goldschlager> the idea is have a headless unit that will autoconnect / then start Pandora internet radio (that part is done), and act as a wifi access point
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[6:37] <Goldschlager> What kind of stuff do you do berg?
[6:38] <Berg> oo i just been dooinmg bspeech recognition and before that bautomation stuff
[6:38] <Berg> thats programing in python script
[6:39] <Goldschlager> what do you do with the speech recongnition?
[6:39] <Berg> talk to my pc
[6:39] <Berg> http://pastebin.com/SNNjz2Nj
[6:39] <Berg> thats it
[6:39] <Berg> took me a while
[6:39] <Berg> 'i get it to call me master
[6:39] <Berg> i am having a power trip
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[6:40] <Goldschlager> so more of a dominent then?
[6:40] <Berg> no
[6:42] <Berg> :)
[6:42] <Huczas> fuck, forgot that pastebin is banned in my work :D
[6:42] <Japa> ....why?
[6:42] <Huczas> can't wath it
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[6:42] <Berg> they spill glue all over the machines?
[6:43] <Goldschlager> I didn't see anything in there about calling you Master
[6:43] <Berg> so i lied
[6:43] <Berg> no biggy
[6:43] <Goldschlager> lol
[6:43] <Huczas> I work in army, so they afraid about copy/paste documents I think
[6:44] <Berg> if you cant be trusted diwth docum ents they should not give you any
[6:44] <Goldschlager> Huczas: where you from?
[6:44] <Berg> like kids and pecils and walls
[6:44] <joe7dust> i can help you bypass that if you are feeling ballsy huzas ;)
[6:44] <joe7dust> huczas *
[6:44] <Berg> dont get him jailed
[6:44] <Goldschlager> Huczas: integrity
[6:44] <Huczas> Poland, we have big army training now called Anakonda, in US they should mention in news I think
[6:44] <joe7dust> christ... this keyboard is starting to drive me insane. It's a high end mechanial, and for some reason the keys are starting to double tap on their own
[6:45] <joe7dust> or be missed entirely
[6:45] <Berg> you need a clubing wand
[6:45] <Berg> \its more acurate then my thunbs i use one
[6:45] <joe7dust> yea yea i know the typical thing is to assume user error
[6:45] <joe7dust> but trust me
[6:46] <Goldschlager> haha…. I don't watch the news.
[6:46] <joe7dust> the kb is definitely starting to fail or I have some weird driver/power thing going on
[6:46] <Berg> no chance you just wanted to perfume illeagal function
[6:46] <Huczas> heh, I don't need to bypas it, it's not that important
[6:46] <Berg> no its not
[6:46] <Huczas> no offence Berg ;)
[6:46] <Berg> im not offened
[6:46] <Berg> your loss
[6:46] <Huczas> heh :D
[6:46] <Berg> it was a realy pretty bit oif code
[6:46] <joe7dust> i switched from a black widow ultimate 2013 to this G710+ because MX browns aren't as loud an easier to acuate than MX blues/cherry
[6:47] <joe7dust> but now i wish i hadn't sold the BW
[6:47] <joe7dust> it just randomly started trashing up my sentences like a week ago
[6:47] <joe7dust> so it might not actually be a hardware issue, its on too many keys and was too sudden
[6:47] <Huczas> ok, im after 12h night shift, now I need go to home
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[6:48] <Goldschlager> Have you tried rebooting? <---I could be in tech support
[6:48] <Berg> your in a feedback look the polish army is hacking you
[6:48] <joe7dust> but literally about every 30-50 characters i get a double tapped, missed, or even sometimes transposed letter
[6:48] <Berg> have fun Huczas
[6:48] <Huczas> bye
[6:48] <Goldschlager> deuces Huczas
[6:48] <Berg> ha
[6:49] <joe7dust> you know goldschlager .. i actually haven't rebooted in a almost a week i should prob do that
[6:49] <Berg> yeah
[6:49] <Berg> loops the bootsa
[6:50] <joe7dust> but i have so many windows and things space on my 3 monitors im lazy to reorganize :( #firstworldproblems
[6:50] <Berg> watching the movie deadpool its very funny
[6:50] <Gallomimia> haha yeah that's very first world problem
[6:50] <joe7dust> screw it im goin dark!
[6:50] <joe7dust> brb
[6:51] <Berg> i avctualy can relate to that
[6:51] <Berg> i i was born before the war
[6:51] <Goldschlager> Berg: very good movie
[6:51] <Berg> what war>>>> take you pick
[6:51] <Berg> its funny
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[6:52] <Berg> another one i like waas revenant
[6:52] <Goldschlager> How many wars have the Aussies been involved in?
[6:52] <Berg> decaprio got school by a bear
[6:52] <Chillum> including the war on taste?
[6:52] <Berg> hehehe
[6:52] * Chillum ducks
[6:52] <Berg> you so clever i like that one
[6:52] <Berg> but its true
[6:53] <Chillum> just kidding, kind of
[6:53] <Berg> sure
[6:53] <Berg> well all the wars that the usa has been in plus one
[6:53] <Berg> always plus one
[6:53] <Goldschlager> What's the plus one?
[6:54] <Berg> it means one extra duur
[6:54] <Berg> joking east temor
[6:54] <Berg> we send the indoneasians home
[6:54] <Goldschlager> ohhhhh
[6:54] <Goldschlager> I don't seem to recall reading about many Aussies in our Civil War.
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[6:55] <Berg> we wasnt in a civil war we kicked indoneaqsioa out of east timeor
[6:55] <Berg> timor
[6:56] <Berg> thye dint belong there and we left
[6:56] <Goldschlager> Well that wasn't very nice, what'd they ever do to you?
[6:56] <Berg> they took over east timor
[6:56] <Goldschlager> oh
[6:56] <Berg> they dint belong there
[6:56] <Goldschlager> I didn't get the memo on that one
[6:57] <Berg> sure it was a short war like the Falklands
[6:57] <Berg> few weeks of full on
[6:57] <Goldschlager> When was that?
[6:57] <Berg> no prisoners no news no problem
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[6:57] <Berg> few years back
[6:57] <Berg> i forget
[6:58] <Berg> look it up
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[6:58] <Goldschlager> That'll happen.
[6:58] <Goldschlager> Welcome back joe7dust
[6:59] <Berg> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_East_Timorese_crisis
[6:59] <Berg> 1999
[6:59] <Berg> was like yesterday for me
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[7:01] <Berg> i think that wiki page was writewn by yanks
[7:01] <Berg> typ[ical
[7:02] <Berg> The bulk of the military forces of INTERFET were Australian
[7:02] <Berg> was all aussies
[7:03] <Berg> i like that the usa army has organic armor
[7:03] <Berg> ooo man thats funny
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[7:04] <Goldschlager> I just read that
[7:04] <Berg> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_East_Timorese_crisis#/media/File:LocationEastTimor.svg
[7:05] <Goldschlager> Ol' Billy
[7:05] <Berg> he did nothing
[7:05] <kristina> i'm planning to release a version of rpi open source firmware with a linux bootloader in the next 5 or so days.
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[7:05] <Goldschlager> he was being blown during that time
[7:05] <kristina> depending on how busy i am with irl stuff.
[7:05] <kristina> which means you will be able to boot linux without any proprietary blobs.
[7:06] <Goldschlager> what's a proprietary blob consist of?
[7:06] <Berg> can i get that in simple terms?
[7:06] <Berg> i use jessie lite
[7:06] <kristina> i have a start.elf/bootcode.bin replacement
[7:06] <kristina> that's open source
[7:07] <kristina> https://github.com/christinaa/rpi-open-firmware (out of date atm, not pushed recently)
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[7:07] <Berg> hmm
[7:07] <kristina> which gives you a VPU bootloader that's open source
[7:07] <Berg> so thats a replacement for a os?
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[7:07] <kristina> this bootcode.bin will load Linux on the ARM
[7:08] <Goldschlager> sooo, like ubuntu?
[7:08] <kristina> no.
[7:08] <kristina> only USB/UART/GPIO
[7:08] <Berg> im not all that clued up on the boot i did hear that the one in use the licience is a issue?
[7:08] <Goldschlager> some of us are experienced in other areas
[7:09] <Berg> its good i learn so much from owning a pi
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[7:09] <Berg> i learn more every day
[7:09] <Goldschlager> dido
[7:09] <Berg> so kristina i have a pi what would i do with your loader?
[7:09] <Berg> install it on a sdcard?
[7:09] <Berg> AND THEN?
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[7:10] <kristina> you stick bootcode.bin on it
[7:10] <kristina> and then your kernel
[7:10] <kristina> so you have /bootcode.bin /zImage for example
[7:11] <kristina> bootcode.bin inits SDRAM/clocks/ARM
[7:11] <kristina> copies 1.5 stage bootloader to SDRAM and starts ARM
[7:11] <Berg> hmm
[7:11] <kristina> 1.5 stage reads the kernel from MMC
[7:11] <kristina> and loads it
[7:11] <kristina> and passes control to it
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[7:12] <Berg> when i look at my sdcard in file manager it has a boot section i replace that with your?
[7:12] <kristina> yes
[7:12] <kristina> but linux will only have UART pretty much
[7:12] <kristina> and GPIO
[7:12] <kristina> and maybe USB without DMA
[7:12] <Berg> hmm
[7:12] <Berg> we need it to run what we have now?
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[7:13] <Berg> like everything
[7:13] <Berg> so my jessie like would be missing stuff?
[7:13] <Berg> jessie lite
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[7:13] <kristina> no you will only be able to run a patched Linux kernel with initrd
[7:14] <kristina> without start.elf, rPi is partially a different platform because no VCIHQ
[7:14] <kristina> so it'll need some different early init code
[7:14] <kristina> you will boot to a shell
[7:14] <kristina> on UART
[7:14] <kristina> with initrd as your /
[7:14] <Berg> and can i add all the stuff from there?
[7:15] <kristina> add what stuff?
[7:15] <Berg> like apt-get install stuff
[7:15] <Berg> im in a shell yes?
[7:15] <kristina> it's not debian or anything
[7:15] <kristina> it's linux with serial port as it's only IO
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[7:16] <Berg> so no adding stuff at all?
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[7:16] <kristina> no graphics, no USB (well maybe with PIO mode), no storage (SDHOST with PIO could work and let you mount the SD card)
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[7:17] <kristina> DEFINITELY no 3D accel, any of the VPU provided features like codecs, no sound
[7:17] <Berg> sound way basic but it would boot fast
[7:17] <Goldschlager> Out of curiousity, Kristina, what's the advantage of this? Just freeing up resources?
[7:17] <kristina> it does not involve proprietary blobs to boot
[7:17] <kristina> open source bootcode.bin
[7:17] <kristina> libre rpi stack
[7:18] <kristina> fully libre
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[7:18] <Berg> when i want to free up stuff i go for services and shut them down
[7:18] <kristina> nevermind.
[7:19] <Berg> no i dont mean your boot i mean my idea of lite
[7:19] <kristina> it seems that the rpi community doesn't care about having a fully open source blobless OS ...
[7:19] <Berg> sorry
[7:19] <kristina> considering how many people bitched about start.elf being proprietary
[7:19] <Berg> dont take it that way
[7:19] <Berg> and yes its not good and you doing thios is good for everyone
[7:20] <Berg> dont take my idea of things as the opinion of all im not that well edicated in the ways of boot
[7:21] <Goldschlager> dido
[7:21] <Berg> and now im offenmed that your blaming me for you feels
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[7:21] <Berg> sheesh
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[7:22] <Berg> i had a guy in the boot of my car co9mplain about my driving ... i never told him to get in the boot of my car
[7:22] <Berg> :)
[7:22] <Berg> so i shot him
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[7:24] <Goldschlager> hmmm
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[7:24] <joe7dust> whoa
[7:24] <Goldschlager> justice?
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[7:25] <Japa> bah
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[7:25] <Japa> Midnight Commander still doesn't work properly in reverse-WINE
[7:25] <joe7dust> i guess the irc server is having issues
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[7:25] <joe7dust> unless 15 people just randomly decided to quit
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[7:26] <joe7dust> actually considering those ip addresses it might be a join/leave spam troll
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[7:29] <Goldschlager> hmm
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[7:29] <Goldschlager> So Berg.. Read that most of that conflict ended in 2012
[7:30] <Berg> it was over when the aussies wen tin full on
[7:31] <Berg> they was killing like Sadat Hussein
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[7:31] <Berg> lots of evil
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[7:31] <Berg> anyway i need capacitors 2.7v by 500F
[7:31] <Berg> maybe 24
[7:32] <Berg> cost a lot
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[7:32] <Goldschlager> What's 500F?
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[7:33] <Berg> farad
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[7:37] <joe7dust> ok im done with webchat that join/leave spam is unbearable. time to run a rreal client that can hid ethat junk
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[7:40] <Berg> chatzilla
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[7:42] <joe7dust> mirc is such overkill. love the simplicity of webchat but not being able to filter join/leave is yucky
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[7:42] <Japa> joe7dust, hexchat is love. Hexchat is life.
[7:42] <Myrtti> joe7dust: webchat can filter joins and leaves... top left menu
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[7:44] <joe7dust> myrtti it probably depends on which webchat used.. anyways im here now and i think my cpu can handle it lol
[7:44] <binaryhermit> offtopic, but irssi can filter joins and leaves, but I generally don't
[7:44] <Myrtti> joe7dust: qwebirc used by freenode, which you were using, judging from your hostname
[7:45] <Kromag> I use mIRC that filters everything...
[7:45] <Kromag> I have everything except chat text pushed into the server window
[7:45] <Kromag> or status window rather
[7:46] <joe7dust> it definitely leans towards what i would say i "bloated" software... but in this day and age i don't think your choice of which irc client to use will ever have a significant performance impact
[7:46] <joe7dust> unless you're on a pi or something :P
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[7:46] <Kromag> uhm how is mIRC bloated
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[7:46] <Kromag> mIRC is badass
[7:47] <joe7dust> depends what you need i guess
[7:47] <joe7dust> for me if it shows chat and i can type chat and im not spammed by useless info im good, and a sound alert on username mention is also nice
[7:47] <Chillum> mirc used to be a simple effective client, now it is bloated
[7:47] <joe7dust> there was some guy leaving and rejoining on like 5 accounts the past 20 minutes not sure if you saw it
[7:48] <Kromag> It's not bloated for me
[7:48] <joe7dust> exactly chillum
[7:48] <Kromag> I can't see any of that cause I push everything to the status window
[7:48] <joe7dust> now its complete with regitration nag/delay and all
[7:48] <Kromag> which I auto clear
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[7:48] <joe7dust> gotta love software deprovements
[7:48] <Kromag> joe7dust there's a registry edit to get rid of all that
[7:49] <Kromag> and a few other things
[7:49] <Kromag> methods
[7:50] <joe7dust> one of my favourite websites is oldversion.com someone should really create an apk repository just like it for mobile apps
[7:55] <Kromag> yeah tha site is pretty darn god
[7:55] <Kromag> good
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[7:55] <Kromag> they changed a lot since last I had visited there
[7:56] <joe7dust> its a bit of an old antique itself these days...
[7:56] <joe7dust> they would probably be interested in doing mobile but i bet it would require a huge amount of storage.
[7:57] <joe7dust> more variations, more frequent updates. plus old exe aren't generally more htan few MB, but then today you have dumb shit like a half gb facebook app
[7:57] <joe7dust> when probably 95% of those new updates are related to service you ads and mining your personal data
[7:58] <Kromag> lol
[7:58] <Kromag> which that stuff is heavily integrated into something required by the app to function all teh way around
[7:58] <Kromag> I have seen that loop before
[7:59] <Kromag> you can't remove that shit at all cause it will unwravel the whole app
[8:00] <joe7dust> what about a loop?
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[8:05] <Kromag> joe7dust, they have one for Android it's on the same page
[8:05] <faugusztin> windows IRC clients = Hexchat if i want a local client, Quassel if i want a server/client model
[8:05] <Kromag> the column // menu to the right
[8:06] <Kromag> shows windows//mac//linux//games//android
[8:06] <joe7dust> o cool
[8:06] <Kromag> yup yup
[8:06] <faugusztin> same applies as Linux clients, with few more options
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[8:12] <Kromag> <Kromag> shows windows//mac//linux//games//android
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[8:13] <extrememist> What's some pi projects to do I have 38nzd not much but got any ideas anyone haha
[8:18] <joe7dust> can a pi run windows 98 or freedos or anything like that natively?
[8:18] <BurtyB> no
[8:18] <joe7dust> what about emulated
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[8:20] <joe7dust> if it can emulate a PSP don't see why it couldn't emu an old windows like 2k or older
[8:20] <Japa> probably you can get 3.11 through dosbox
[8:20] <extrememist> Anyone ? Got ideas haha
[8:20] <joe7dust> i wanna run Scorched Earth on 3.11 :)
[8:20] <joe7dust> that game was so badass at the time
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[8:21] <faugusztin> that was a DOS game, no _
[8:21] <faugusztin> ?
[8:21] <joe7dust> yea actually it was, so was doom... hmm
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[8:22] <joe7dust> anyways someone probably ported scorched earth already anyway considering all the ohter random crap that has ports
[8:22] <joe7dust> but having a tiny 3.11 that runs off 16mb of ram or something would be neat
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[8:22] <Japa> Pretty sure any game from that era was a dos game
[8:22] <joe7dust> just to be able to say im able to run x86 apps
[8:23] <joe7dust> pretty sure 3.11 has a dos emulation mode too
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[8:23] <Japa> 3.11 is just a dos app
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[8:24] <extrememist> I guess that's a no lol (;
[8:25] <joe7dust> actually i think its a yes? he said i could install dosbox and run 3.11 off it
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[8:26] <joe7dust> there may be a few games that only run on 95+ but imo a 3.11 would serve pretty much the same purpose as the 98 i asked about
[8:27] <faugusztin> a lot of games would not run
[8:27] <extrememist> I was saying no to people giving me ideas joe
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[8:27] <faugusztin> pretty much anything using 32-bit mode
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[8:27] <joe7dust> so no way to run 95/98/2k on a pi ?
[8:28] <faugusztin> there is just no point
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[8:28] <faugusztin> you could get computer old enough for that for free :)
[8:28] <faugusztin> i am sure you could get a P4 computer for the costs of fuel to take it away
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[8:31] <joe7dust> i meant it would be nice to have a tiny device built around say a pi zero and then have the bragging rights to say "oh yea, btw it can run x86 games too"
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[8:31] <Berg> umm m
[8:31] <joe7dust> starcraft running off pi anyone ? XD
[8:32] <Berg> pi2 runs warzone
[8:32] <joe7dust> berg i think those are ports, like the q3/doom
[8:32] <extrememist> Hmmmm what projects can I do x.x
[8:32] <joe7dust> i meant running the full windows OS so i ould just install random x86 software
[8:32] <Berg> no thinking involved it runs warzone2100
[8:33] <Berg> wz2100.net
[8:33] <Berg> runs on pi2
[8:33] <Berg> wat does mono run like or wine on a pi 2?
[8:33] <Berg> or p3
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[8:38] <extrememist> Help me out people xD
[8:39] <extrememist> I have no internet for a week
[8:39] <extrememist> So I need projects to do
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[8:45] <Jck_true> So I'm driving a 32x32 pixel LED panel from my raspberry
[8:45] <Jck_true> Since I have such a low resolution I need todo antialisasing to draw a decent circle
[8:46] <Jck_true> Now my problem is that every drawing routine I can find only supports inputting the X/Y coordinates as whole integers
[8:46] <Jck_true> my cirle is jerking across the display
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[8:47] <Japa> Jck_true, you need to figure out the brightness required yourself, and use PWM to change it
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[8:47] <Jck_true> And yes I know I could genrate a bigger frame
[8:48] <Jck_true> Japa: I know that, I was wondering if there was any drawing routines that could help me calculate the values
[8:50] <Japa> that, I don't know
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[8:53] <Goldschlager> What do people use on RPi for IRC?
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[8:54] <Jck_true> My server pi runs Weechat
[8:54] <Jck_true> And I connect to that using PuTTY
[8:54] <Goldschlager> oh. It's terminal style
[8:54] <extrememist> Pidgin works too goldschlager
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[8:55] <Japa> I just hexchat
[8:55] <Japa> same as on windows
[8:55] <Goldschlager> Thanks for the responses :) I'll look into those
[8:55] <joe7dust> circle jerking?
[8:55] <joe7dust> that sounds like a serious problem, I recommend you update the ram on your display immediately
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[8:56] <joe7dust> i saw there is actually a small pi display that has a sd slot... not sure why the display would need storage but that is actually a thing
[8:57] <extrememist> I think I know what display your talking about joe7dust
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[9:00] <Goldschlager> .
[9:01] <Jck_true> joe7dust: They are buildt for arduino projects. And you really need the SD storage space if you wanna display any sort of graphics
[9:02] <Jck_true> dirt cheap for the manufactor just to pull the 5 lines needed and slab a card mount on the board since the area is already there
[9:07] <extrememist> I've bought one haha
[9:07] <extrememist> To try with one of my projects
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[9:13] <Jck_true> They are fun to setup first time around. But they are a pain to develop a full interface for
[9:14] <extrememist> Lol
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[9:16] <Jck_true> If anyones knows of an arduino library that defines some soft of UI design I would be very happy :)
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[9:24] <Goldschlager> No, but I know a guy who (for a company) builds digital displays for garbage trucks using a BeagleBone and a bunch of small screens
[9:25] <Goldschlager> I dunno if he would be able to help ya', Jck_true
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[9:25] <Jck_true> I was looking for something a bit more universal use
[9:28] <Jck_true> Implement the Google Material design guidelines for use on 320x240 TFT displays :)
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[9:33] <joe7dust> google materials? jeez is there anything google is NOT into
[9:33] <Goldschlager> Yeah, what is that anyway?
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[9:33] <Jck_true> The design guidelines for Android
[9:34] <joe7dust> it sounds like a sort of google docs for 3d printers
[9:34] <Jck_true> https://material.google.com/
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[9:35] <Jck_true> It's amusing to see the amount of work that has gone into designing things we just take for granted
[9:35] <joe7dust> just a random guess anyways
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[9:37] <Jck_true> Stuff like how long it should take for an object to move onto the screen (225ms) and how long it should take to leave the screen (195ms)
[9:37] <Jck_true> (And tables should be 30% slower, wearables 30% faster)
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[9:37] <Goldschlager> crazy
[9:38] <Apicalis> Hey guys, i got a massive problems that must boil down to something absolutely simple that's causing this issue. I have two raspberry pi 2 B+ with 8GB Micro SD Cards. Both Raspberrys worked perfectly fine so far. One had Kodi on it and the other one Octoprint (3D Printer Printserver). I wanted to use the octoprint one as a smart home server with Raspberry matic and tried to install the image with my laptop onto the SD card but
[9:38] <joe7dust> what kind of tables?
[9:38] <Apicalis> Rainbowcolored startscreen.
[9:38] <Jck_true> Tablets :Dmy bad
[9:39] <joe7dust> not sure why you'd want something to run slower on your tablet than your smartwatch
[9:40] <Apicalis> I tried different images, RaspberryMatic, i tried OpenElec and LibreElec. All the same problems. The process how i install them: Download the packaged image-> extract it -> Use SD Formatter to format the SD card -> Use win32diskimager to install the image -> stick the micro SD into my raspberry and then plug in the power. Always the same
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[9:40] <Jck_true> Apicalis: Tried a differnt card?
[9:40] <Apicalis> Yes
[9:40] <Jck_true> Sounds like the card is beefed
[9:40] <Apicalis> Both cards worked before and now both cards won't work for the raspberry no more
[9:40] <Drzacek> He said he has two Pi
[9:41] <joe7dust> could it be a hardware issue, like incompatible display/miswired?
[9:41] <Apicalis> If i plug the card back into the laptop it shows something that looks fitting
[9:41] <Drzacek> Apicalis, do you have some hdmi tv/monitor to test directly?
[9:41] <Apicalis> Yes
[9:41] <Apicalis> Always the Rainbow screen
[9:41] <Apicalis> nothing more
[9:41] <Jck_true> And have you disconnected everything from the GPIO pins?
[9:41] <Drzacek> so it wasn't your dvi adapter
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[9:42] <Apicalis> There is absolutely nothing else connected than a HDMI, Powersupply and Ethernet cable
[9:42] <Drzacek> Don't get me wrong, but could it be, that you prepare your cards wrong?
[9:42] <Apicalis> The Raspberry I am testing it on ran Kodi 30 minutes ago with the exact same wiring etc.
[9:42] <joe7dust> if your using the same exact cards in another pi and that one works it sounds like a hardware fault in the pi itself
[9:42] <Apicalis> It could be, it MUST be something liek that drzacek
[9:43] <Apicalis> No it doesn't work in another pi. I said both cards worked before i've rewritten them
[9:43] <Drzacek> You said you used win32 disk imager, so you are under windows - maybe try to prepare your sd under linux
[9:43] <Apicalis> So there must be something wrong when i burn the image
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[9:43] <joe7dust> i disgree drzacek
[9:43] <Drzacek> Although I used win32diskim myself and never had problems
[9:43] <Apicalis> I got no linux installed here and i don't want to, just to write an image to an SD card
[9:43] <joe7dust> there are SO many different ways to flash the sd
[9:44] <ShorTie> what version of windows ??
[9:44] <joe7dust> i just randomly picked one of them that wasn't even the recommended ap and mine worked 100%
[9:44] <joe7dust> i used rufus
[9:44] <joe7dust> when the guide said something entirely else
[9:44] <Drzacek> Apicalis, how do you download your sd image?
[9:44] <Drzacek> Rufus is also good
[9:44] <joe7dust> telling him to use a linux box for the flash sounds like a waste of time imo
[9:44] <Apicalis> http://openelec.tv/get-openelec/category/7-raspberry-pi2-builds
[9:45] <joe7dust> theres literally like a dozen windows apps to do that
[9:45] <Drzacek> joe7dust, if he had linux then it wouldn't be a problem, right?
[9:45] <Apicalis> And then downloaded the DiskImage and extracted that image file
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[9:45] <Drzacek> Apicalis, maybe the download was corrupted? You didn't use any download manager?
[9:45] <Apicalis> no
[9:45] <joe7dust> i not sure what you are saying but ill shutup, i probably shouldn't give advice since i just got mine today even though its working great
[9:46] <Drzacek> Then again, when my download get corrupted then it would even extract
[9:46] <Apicalis> But it just can't be that OpenElec, LibreELEC, RaspberryMatic all had broken images during the download
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[9:46] <Drzacek> joe7dust, don't get offended so easily :)
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[9:46] <ShorTie> what version of windows are you using ??
[9:46] <Apicalis> Windows 7 Professional 64 bit
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[9:47] <ShorTie> is it asking about administration rights ??
[9:47] <Drzacek> Apicalis, try using rufus as joe7dust said
[9:47] <Apicalis> Yes it is and i am of course confirming them
[9:47] <Apicalis> Rufus?
[9:48] <joe7dust> not offended just saying i probably dont have enough exp yet to be much help. total pi noob and perma linux noob 4 life
[9:48] <ShorTie> laptop with built in sdcard slot ??
[9:48] <Apicalis> yes
[9:49] <Apicalis> When i plug the SD card back into the laptop i can see all the files on the SD as they should be
[9:49] <ShorTie> those built in 1's are not the best
[9:49] <ShorTie> i'd try a usb sdcard slot
[9:49] <Apicalis> Yeah that's my guess too that the root of the problem is there but i don't have any Sd card reader here
[9:49] <Apicalis> and my phones has only internal memory
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[9:50] <ShorTie> to me, everything points to a no good laptop sdcard slot
[9:51] <Apicalis> I gonna go away for 10 minutes or so to use another laptop i just remembered i have here. But again the process how i did it so far: Download the OpenElec Diskimage file, extracted the file, formatted the sd with "SDFormatter V4" then used the win32diskimager to install the image
[9:51] <joe7dust> do you have a rooted android with internal sd
[9:51] <Apicalis> Galaxy S7 so there is no SD slot
[9:51] <joe7dust> cause TWM recovery mode mount works great for me using the phone as a usb drive
[9:51] <joe7dust> oh poop
[9:52] <joe7dust> i installed windows with my phone the otherday, but i guess if you dont have a phone with sd you can't
[9:52] <ShorTie> really do not need to format the sdcard, writing the image does that
[9:52] <joe7dust> try rufus like we suggested, if that doesn't work do a zero fill on it
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[9:54] <joe7dust> also if you thikn shortie could be onto something about a faulty part then run h2testw on it full write/read
[9:56] <joe7dust> write/verify* (same thing, but just recalled that apps verbage)
[9:58] <joe7dust> and actually apicalis if you haven't started the rufus write yet
[9:58] <joe7dust> i would go ahead and run h2testw write/verify first
[9:58] <joe7dust> its generally faster than a rufus image flash and could save you some time
[9:58] <joe7dust> if it does turn out to be what shortie said
[9:59] <joe7dust> and if you have a few paypal bucks you might as well order a sdcard since they are dirt cheap and you can find people that bundle them with a read for frere
[10:00] <joe7dust> free*
[10:01] <joe7dust> it saves me a ton a time, compared to mounting the card in my phone. for whatever reason having my phone as the middleman between pc and sdcard = 10x slower
[10:01] <Apicalis> Yeah i know this stuff is dirt cheap, readers and sd cards. But i absolutely don't need them. It's like 8 months agos since the last time i fiddled with the SD cards of my raspberrys
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[10:02] <Apicalis> I just want to mount one image and i am done for another half year
[10:02] <joe7dust> i like to use them for storing the cards too, way too ez to lose a loose microsd that isn't in a reader
[10:02] * ShorTie wonders how much 2 days worth of headacks are worth
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[10:03] <Apicalis> ShorTie of course not. But would you have expected that suddenly you installation won't work anymore which worked perfectly fine on the same laptop with the same sd cards with the same raspberrys 6 months ago?
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[10:05] <ShorTie> but lots of things can change in six months
[10:06] <Apicalis> Yeah of course, i also reinstalled my entire laptop so that definetly changed but you still don't expect something like this.
[10:06] <Apicalis> And like i said, i usually never need an SD card reader
[10:06] <ShorTie> oh now you throw in driver issues
[10:07] <Apicalis> Well i am guessing this has to do something with driver issues. Nothing else makes sense
[10:07] <ShorTie> if you have a pi, or another arm board, you need a sdcard writer, imho
[10:07] <Apicalis> Since the SD cards work, the SDFormatter V4, win32diskimager are all things that have been tested for that purpose a million times it has to be the SD card driver
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[10:08] <Apicalis> Dude, i bought the raspberrys. Threw Kodi on one, OctoPrint on the other and was done with it. There was absolutely no need for an SD card reader
[10:09] <Apicalis> Of course now i will get my hands on one to finally fix these issues but it made absolutely no sense if u use the raspberrys like i do and not actively program something for it
[10:09] <Apicalis> I even glued one to the side of my desk because i wouldn't move it anymore
[10:09] <ShorTie> and when you buy a new car you don't need to buy a new set of tires either
[10:09] <ShorTie> but after awhile you do
[10:10] <Drzacek> Apicalis, I thought you had S6, not S7
[10:10] <Apicalis> sorry i meant S6
[10:10] <Apicalis> Are you really comparing a raspberry pi that a car ?
[10:10] <Apicalis> To a car
[10:11] <Apicalis> Btw. i tried another laptop and i still have the same issues.
[10:12] <Drzacek> Apicalis, hmmm
[10:12] <ShorTie> laptop sdcard slots are known to have problems
[10:12] <Drzacek> what about power source?
[10:12] <ShorTie> that is way it is recommend for a usb 1
[10:12] <Apicalis> The power source is a 2A powersupply
[10:13] <Drzacek> And this is the same powersupply you used yesterday at work?
[10:13] <Apicalis> And the USB Connector that is currently not in use has a USB Hub with external powersupply so i can use 3.5" hdds
[10:13] <Drzacek> or did you try others too?
[10:13] <Apicalis> No
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[10:13] <Apicalis> This is the one that was connected to this exact raspberry this morning as it was still working
[10:13] <joe7dust> so are you running the program i suggested while chatting?
[10:13] <Apicalis> No
[10:13] <Apicalis> You said Rufus was the name
[10:14] <Apicalis> https://rufus.akeo.ie/ this?
[10:14] <joe7dust> yea but since shortie thinks your sd reader is bad you m ight want to test it first
[10:14] <joe7dust> since the test program takes less time
[10:14] <joe7dust> google h2testw
[10:16] <Drzacek> Apicalis, I can't use my laptop built-id sd reader, I use some cheap reader that I get with my drone
[10:16] <Drzacek> Would it be possible, that maybe a friend of yours could prepare a card for you on other machine with external sd-card reader?
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[10:17] <Apicalis> No i got nobody in quick reach to borrow an SD card reader. I guess i will buy one today
[10:17] <Drzacek> and do you wait long enought to give your Pi a chance to boot? Those might be silly questions, but we want to rule out everything
[10:17] <ShorTie> have you tried using that external hdd for the os ??
[10:17] <Apicalis> Yes of course i did, it's still showing the colored screen after 10 minutes
[10:17] <joe7dust> apicalis just listen to me please, i used to do tech repair on a flat rate basis. im conditioned to use the quickest solution at all cost
[10:17] <Apicalis> No ShorTie
[10:18] <ShorTie> it is easy
[10:18] <Drzacek> ShorTie, it would require a sd card with boot loader?
[10:18] <Apicalis> joe7dust the H2testw is running
[10:18] <joe7dust> k
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[10:18] <ShorTie> and you don't need no powered hub with a B+
[10:18] <Apicalis> will take 17 minutes. It told me that i can only test 7.46 out of the 7.47GB
[10:18] <joe7dust> that is the correct first step imo because on my setup at least a rufus flash can take a good 20+ minutes even on a 1gb image
[10:19] <Apicalis> I needed a powered hub with the B+ because with all my USB stuff attached to it it woulnd't work anymore.
[10:19] <joe7dust> the h2testw will vary based ont he sd capacity but is still way faster
[10:19] <ShorTie> there is a usb current hack you need though
[10:19] <joe7dust> something like a 128 would probably take just as long but im assuming you are using a cheap like 4-32
[10:19] <Apicalis> joe7dust but i don't know what the test will lead to. Since the SD card worked fine this morning
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[10:20] <joe7dust> its insurance
[10:20] <joe7dust> 5-10 min test to make sure you dont waste an hour
[10:20] <Apicalis> yeah but i will still need to buy an SD card reader. I don't think there is a way around it anymore
[10:20] <Apicalis> but i will let it run for now
[10:21] <joe7dust> what is the capacity of the card
[10:21] <Apicalis> 8GB
[10:21] <Apicalis> show 7.47
[10:21] <joe7dust> should be 5-15min
[10:21] <Apicalis> on my laptop it's 19
[10:21] <joe7dust> wut
[10:22] <Apicalis> Its this old fart
[10:22] <Apicalis> https://www.amazon.de/ProBook-4535S-Notebook-A4-3400M-6540G2/dp/B005935NK0
[10:22] <joe7dust> unless you have a 1990s laptop it shouldn't matter
[10:22] <joe7dust> it will be capped by the sdcard quality 99% of the time
[10:23] <Apicalis> I think i just gonna let this run for now and go to a store to buy a freakin reader
[10:23] <Apicalis> cya in 30-40 mins
[10:23] <joe7dust> k
[10:23] * ShorTie Thinkz, Good idea
[10:25] <joe7dust> do germans learn english school? I never can even tell they aren't US unlike most other countries
[10:25] <joe7dust> even cultures that seem to have highly intelligent citizens like asia you can always tell their english isn't too good
[10:26] <joe7dust> in*
[10:27] <joe7dust> your english is actually better than a lot of US that learned english as a first language
[10:27] <faugusztin> joe7dust: pretty much everywhere they learn english in school these days. plus at least in scandinavian countries they usually have only subtitles
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[10:28] <joe7dust> someone within a days shipping of me here in texas they sounded worse than overseas tech support chat
[10:28] <faugusztin> *side note: i never had an english lesson in school. ever
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[10:28] <faugusztin> so my pronounciation is horrible :P
[10:28] <joe7dust> what do you mean by 'only subtitles' ?
[10:29] <czr> hi all. trying to crossbuild some kernel modules for pi3, but can't seem to find the proper source to use for this. any hints?
[10:29] <faugusztin> joe7dust: US/UK content is in english. not dubbed. and they have subtitles to norwegian/swedish etc
[10:29] <ankr> true ^^
[10:29] <czr> the 4.4.y branch here https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux offers 4.4.13, but my raspbian runs 4.4.11+
[10:32] <faugusztin> joe7dust: here in central europe, everything is dubbed over to local language, and you get original sound only if you are lucky and the tv allows you to switch to secondary audio
[10:32] <faugusztin> in scandinavia, english is default for english speaking tv shows
[10:34] <faugusztin> ankr: which now brings the fun for the HBO... i wonder how did they explain Hodor in non-english languages in GoT :D
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[10:35] <joe7dust> oo i wanna know what you're talking about
[10:35] <shauno> faugusztin: I was actually reading about that. http://movies.stackexchange.com/questions/53408/how-was-hodor-adapted-in-other-languages
[10:35] <ankr> lol
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[10:35] <ankr> I'm only mid season 5 - so I won't read that :D
[10:36] <joe7dust> it has spoiler tags
[10:36] <ankr> yea I saw that :)
[10:36] <faugusztin> still, don't read it
[10:36] <joe7dust> dont hover your mouse tho
[10:36] <shauno> it does, but the entire question is moot without it. but yeah, best skipped I think
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[10:37] <faugusztin> on other side, dubbing sometimes brings cool stuff
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[10:38] <Drzacek> faugusztin, I hate that dubbing-policy. Dubbing voice actors are nowhere near good as original actors, so you loose by quality
[10:38] <faugusztin> for example, Flinstones (the series) in hungarian is completely told in rhymes. seriously.
[10:38] <faugusztin> when i heard it in other languages, it was totally weird not having that there :D
[10:39] <faugusztin> *Flintstones
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[10:39] <shauno> I had an odd one watching The Americans recently. There was a part with the kgb guys talking russian, and it was subtitled as "put a bullet in his head". but I recognised the last word as 'brains' from slovak (mozgy). That was a fun lightbulb moment for me :)
[10:39] <joe7dust> thats weird was the original written in hungarian or something
[10:39] <faugusztin> joe7dust: no. but the dubbing was made by a guy who did it in rhymes :)
[10:40] <faugusztin> shauno: there is worse than that - that movie XxX had a scene with translation from czech to english :D
[10:40] <faugusztin> you can imagine how it sounded in czech dubing :D
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[10:41] <Jck_true> Dubbing can also be done extremely bad where they simply mute the sound and talk over....
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[10:41] <Jck_true> Which makes a scene in a car absolutly horrible
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[10:41] <joe7dust> what do you guys think about turkish desire to join eu?
[10:42] <shauno> I've seen some really, really bad dubs though. like the movie Kundun dubbed into polish. by one guy. the entire film, one guy. it sounded like someone reading a book over the top of the movie
[10:42] <faugusztin> joe7dust: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hX041_lsd9k
[10:42] <joe7dust> most americans don't even know about it, but i would assume its kind of like puerto rico wanting to join us
[10:42] <faugusztin> shauno: that is so '80s/early '90s :)
[10:42] <czr> is there a more technical channel related to pi?
[10:42] <Drzacek> shauno, it's not dubbing, it's lector - and you get to hear original voices, so it is way better than dubbing
[10:43] <Jck_true> Truth be told I think Turkey still has a bit of way to go before they are ready to join the EU
[10:43] <Drzacek> czr, you mean where there is no offtop like here?
[10:43] <faugusztin> hungarian one-voice star wars :D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KnOoj6D-5A
[10:43] <czr> Drzacek, yes
[10:43] <shauno> I don't think they have far to go. they just have to get bored of erdogan first
[10:43] <ShorTie> czr, not really, what cha need to know ??
[10:43] <joe7dust> one voice can be fun with the right voice actor. check the harry potter audio book series, its AMAZING
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[10:44] <czr> ShorTie, I have two questions really. 1) how to crossbuild modules for pi3 running raspbian stock kernel. can't locate useful info on that, and the rasp-kernel repo offers 4.4.13 while raspbian is running 4.4.11. 2) I'm seeing weird SCK issues on the I2C
[10:44] <Apicalis> I am baCK
[10:45] <czr> I reported issue on #-dev, but that channel seems dead
[10:45] <czr> sorry, second issue.
[10:45] <faugusztin> joe7dust: puerto rico ? more like venezuela
[10:45] <shauno> getting the correct kernel headers is a major pain in various holes, and there seems to be very little movement to do anything about it
[10:45] <Drzacek> czr, #-dev?
[10:46] <czr> Drzacek, #raspberrypi-dev
[10:46] <Drzacek> oh ok
[10:46] <ShorTie> the best thing would be a post on the forums
[10:46] <czr> hmm. so irc is mainly for social stuff?
[10:46] <joe7dust> raspberrypi.org ?
[10:46] <ShorTie> have you tried rpi-update ??
[10:46] <czr> ShorTie, yes. all running up to date.
[10:46] <joe7dust> i have a post there been up 2 days with no reply
[10:47] <Drzacek> joe7dust, I wasn't very good at geography, but isn't tureky in Asia? Why would they come to EU? Then again, Autstralia got to sign in eurovision...
[10:47] <joe7dust> so don't hold your breathe
[10:47] <shauno> you might find this useful; https://www.niksula.hut.fi/~mhiienka/Rpi/linux-headers-rpi/ (but no promises). otherwise it's a case of grabbing their whole sourcetree and rebuilding against the running config
[10:47] <ShorTie> no, just lots more knowledge and peeps on the forums
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[10:47] <czr> shauno, I'm fine with grabbing the whole source, just have trouble finding the one that is the one that produces my currently running kernel version
[10:47] <joe7dust> not a single comment, don't put much stock in the offical forums imo https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=78&t=150781&p=990760#p990760
[10:47] <ShorTie> rpi-update could be the problem, it is really testing
[10:48] <joe7dust> at least it got 100 views tho, my adafruit post has 20
[10:49] <czr> shauno, thanks. I'll try to track what produces those debs (not directly useful for me as is, since I want to cross)
[10:49] <stevie86> Hi! I had to abort an install process recently, and now when i try to install things with apt-fast install. If i go sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -y install ntfs-3g
[10:49] <stevie86> i get: Creating fuse device...
[10:49] <stevie86> /run/udev or .udevdb or .udev presence implies active udev. Aborting MAKEDEV invocation.
[10:49] <stevie86> chmod: cannot access ‘/dev/fuse’: No such file or directory
[10:49] <stevie86> dpkg: error processing package fuse (--configure):
[10:49] <stevie86> subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[10:49] <stevie86> Processing triggers for libc-bin (2.19-18+deb8u4) ...
[10:49] <stevie86> Errors were encountered while processing:
[10:49] <stevie86> fuse
[10:49] <stevie86> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[10:49] <joe7dust> meanwhile on sudomod.com I got 200+ views and couple (not so helpful) replies
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[10:52] <joe7dust> well that was odd o_O
[10:53] <Apicalis> I absolutely can't believe it. It's still not working. There must be something absolutely wrong in what i am doing
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[10:53] <ShorTie> czr, to get the 'exact' source, you need to checkout the commit that was used to build the firmware
[10:53] <shauno> czr: take a look through http://www.ploxiln.net/rpi_kernel_modules.html .. it has a method for finding the git hash from which kernel rpi-update has installed (but as I understand it, only works if your kernel/firmware came from rpi-update in the first place)
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[10:53] <ShorTie> firmware and kernel go hand-n-hand
[10:53] <joe7dust> did you write/read the full 8gb in h2testw with success?
[10:53] <czr> hmm. now that you mention it, I don't think I ran rpi-update. I'm just using stock raspbian
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[10:53] <czr> is there a specific reason to use rpi-update?
[10:54] <shauno> well, in this case, because I know no other way to figure out exactly which git revision matches your kernel
[10:54] <czr> ShorTie, shauno: thanks
[10:54] <joe7dust> a little bit skeptical it could fully run and then you flashed the entire thing in rufus in that time
[10:54] <ShorTie> only if you got problems do i recommend running it
[10:54] <shauno> but I could be completely wrong. tread lightly and carry backups :)
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[10:54] <shauno> (or a spare sdcard. best part of the pi. takes minutes to knock up an environment you can torch & burn)
[10:54] <stevie86> sorry, i'll repost my request with the output in pastebin
[10:54] <czr> I have nothing critical on pi3, so no worries
[10:54] <Apicalis> Yes i did joe7dust
[10:54] <ShorTie> other wize, shiftplusone says it might cause problems
[10:55] <joe7dust> how big is your image
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[10:55] <czr> and I've designed custom embedded linux systems before, just first project where someone decided it was a good idea to use pi3 as the bottom and do some custom hardware on top of that..
[10:55] <Apicalis> openELEC image is 548
[10:55] <Apicalis> mb
[10:55] <joe7dust> cause i did 1gb retropie earlier and it took legit 20+ minutes. rufus seems to be inefficient or something on my system but it might be just a crap card
[10:55] <czr> my pi experience is mainly userspace stuff so far, and hw-side is not going as smoothly as I had hoped :-)
[10:56] <ShorTie> rpi3 is new, so there is bugs to be worked out
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[10:56] <Berg> yeah
[10:56] <joe7dust> and you already redownloaded that image or did a hash check on it ?
[10:56] <shauno> I honestly have no idea why they don't just package the headers when they build the kernel, but .. it is what it is
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[10:56] <Apicalis> Redownloaded it on another computer. I am not using the laptop anymore since i got the external cardreader now
[10:57] <joe7dust> im still impressed you could do it all that quickly. anyways...
[10:57] <joe7dust> i would try doing a zero fill onto the sdcard
[10:57] <Apicalis> Well i got a motorbike so the way to the store was rather quickly ^^
[10:57] <joe7dust> if it still doesn't work and you're sure that is the right image then you will need a 2nd pi and/or 2nd card to be sure what the problem is
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[10:58] <Drzacek> joe7dust, he has 2x RPi, one of them was working today
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[10:58] <joe7dust> well he said earlier he didn't try it in the other so i assumed he would have if he had that option
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[10:58] <Drzacek> Ok
[10:59] <joe7dust> so why haven't you tried switching them then ?
[10:59] <Apicalis> I tried the other one yesterday with that exact problem so i took everything home with me to try it on the one here as i am doing right now and have the same issues
[10:59] <Apicalis> there must be something absolutely wrong in the programming process
[11:00] <joe7dust> try another image completely different to rule out any hardware issue imo
[11:00] <Apicalis> already did
[11:00] <joe7dust> and?
[11:00] <Apicalis> tried LibreELEC, OpenELEC and RaspberryMatic
[11:00] <Apicalis> always the same issue
[11:00] <joe7dust> so what is the known good you are comparing it to again, kodi?
[11:01] <czr> ShorTie, no doubt. my main issues seem to be related to finding information that is 1) not out of date, 2) not targetted at complete noob level. google is pulling a lot of interesting stuff out from my queries, but rarely do they relate to the actual issue I'm looking to find answers for :-)
[11:01] <Apicalis> Yes
[11:01] <Apicalis> I had Kodi on that raspberry before
[11:01] <ShorTie> i'd try raspbian
[11:01] <Apicalis> raspbian jessie lite?
[11:01] <joe7dust> i was just about to say that
[11:02] <Drzacek> Could you say, what exactly is happening? You flash your card, put it in RPi (I assume you put it the right way), plug in ethernet, hdmi and power cable, and then?
[11:02] <ShorTie> either, but from raspberry.org/download
[11:02] <joe7dust> i haven't heard of any of those OS.. I'm using retropie and have heard jessie lite is good if you want a full distrro
[11:02] <Apicalis> So the Raspberry is connected to Ethernet and HDMI but without power. After i flashed the micro SD card i put it into the slot , of course the right way and just plug in the power. My monitor then turns to that colorful screen and stays there
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[11:03] <ShorTie> that means it can not find the firmware
[11:03] <Drzacek> joe7dust, depends what you mean by "full" - lite has no GUI
[11:03] <ShorTie> or atleast a good working copy of it
[11:03] <Drzacek> wait
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[11:04] <Apicalis> I know ShorTie. But if i plug in the SD into my computer it shows the files that look like they would be correct
[11:04] <Drzacek> Apicalis, what RPi do you have? was it 2b or something older?
[11:04] <Apicalis> 2 B+
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[11:04] <ShorTie> files != good working
[11:04] <Apicalis> I know
[11:04] <stevie86> When I try to install ntfs-3g, i get an error: http://pastebin.com/NdXWawbe
[11:04] <Apicalis> But still says that there is something written on it and has the correct layout
[11:04] <stevie86> please help
[11:05] <Apicalis> btw i got Rufus installed, what should i do here?
[11:05] <joe7dust> LOL
[11:05] <joe7dust> I knew something didn't add up
[11:06] <joe7dust> so what exactly did you just try ?
[11:06] <Drzacek> Could it be, that they messed something up with recent version and 2B doesn't work? Seems unlikely, but...?
[11:06] <Drzacek> I thought you tried flashing with rufus already
[11:06] <Apicalis> Seems unlikely that all the distributions i downloaded had the same issue
[11:06] <joe7dust> you ran the test, went to the store, came back to 100% full disc success and then what ?
[11:06] <Apicalis> No i didnt use rufus so far
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[11:06] <Apicalis> After that i tried the old methods again, i didnt use rufus so far
[11:06] <joe7dust> -_________________-
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[11:07] <joe7dust> clik the disk icon select your img
[11:07] <Drzacek> Okay, try rufus now. Maybe follow some instruction/tutorial online if you are unsure how
[11:08] <joe7dust> uncheck devie block errors
[11:08] <joe7dust> check quick format
[11:08] <joe7dust> uncheck the mbr thing
[11:08] <joe7dust> uncheck add fixes
[11:08] <joe7dust> rest doesn't matterr i think
[11:08] <Apicalis> Ummm....
[11:09] <Apicalis> It doesn't seem to accept openelec etc. as an img file .... .... ....
[11:09] <joe7dust> then use another
[11:09] <joe7dust> i had the same problem with one of my xp images it means it is heavily modified
[11:09] <Apicalis> ... even raspbian jessie lite
[11:09] <kolla> I managed to order one pi zero... 9 to go, or something :p
[11:09] <joe7dust> faster to get a different image than to try 10 other flashers hoping it will work
[11:09] <Apicalis> ah wait
[11:09] <Apicalis> its because they are not ISO files they are IMG files
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[11:10] <joe7dust> that shouldn't matter
[11:10] <joe7dust> try chaning the file extension or use a converter
[11:10] <joe7dust> but really that shouldn't be necessary
[11:10] <Apicalis> no i just wanted to mention it
[11:11] <Apicalis> So in the format option uncheck the first, check the second, uncheck the last two
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[11:12] <Apicalis> i gonna make a screenshot
[11:12] <Apicalis> http://picpaste.de/rufus-SSrEbRZP.PNG
[11:12] <czr> ShorTie, shauno: i think I found it. 1) grab the newest git hash from here (on target): zless /usr/share/doc/raspberrypi-kernel/changelog.Debian.gz, 2) https://raw.githubusercontent.com/raspberrypi/firmware/blob/{step1-hash}/extra/git_hash , 3) https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/commit/{step2-hash}
[11:13] <czr> but in order to get the source properly, can't use shallow clone, so cloning is taken quite a bit, but I'll report how it goes.
[11:14] <czr> seems like the extra/git_hash file is used to track the kernel source hash, and this seems to collelate with the commit history quite nicely, so I'm going with that for now
[11:14] <czr> s/coll/corr/
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[11:15] <joe7dust> that looks good apicalis the only one im unsure on is file format
[11:15] <joe7dust> but whatever guide i used was extremely clear that only 1 format was possible
[11:15] <joe7dust> iirc it was 32fat but uncertain
[11:16] <Apicalis> You know what, i gonna do it exactly is it says in this guide. If this kid can do it , it should work here too with UbuntuMate
[11:16] <joe7dust> basically whatever guide you're using that says to use that img should tell you which file format you need
[11:16] <Apicalis> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPBgXNABf08
[11:17] <joe7dust> and actually i think the pi might only be compatible witha single format, some of the guys here who have used theirs more than a day could chime in
[11:17] <joe7dust> i wanna say it was either FAT or FAT32
[11:17] <joe7dust> def not FAT16
[11:18] <Apicalis> I think it's FAT32 since all the videos with SDFormatter use that
[11:18] <joe7dust> make it so
[11:18] <ShorTie> the /boot partition is fat, the rest is ext4
[11:19] <Apicalis> Dumb question... but is the partition name in any way relevant? Something like Pi_boot or does the raspberry just look for a device not its name
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[11:19] <czr> btw, does anyone know whether it's possible to get VC to boot off something else than SD?
[11:19] <joe7dust> i didn't touch the name
[11:19] <czr> (ie, the bootloader and/or kernel wouldn't be on the SD)
[11:19] <joe7dust> dont think it matters but i wouldn't use blank, spaces or symbols
[11:19] <ShorTie> the rpi looks for a fat partition of the sdcard to boot from
[11:20] <ShorTie> name doesn't matter
[11:20] <ShorTie> boot flag is not needed either
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[11:21] <ShorTie> czr, no way around the sdcard to boot from
[11:21] <Apicalis> Well i am flashing UbuntuMate just like the kid in the videolink i postet. Let's see if it works
[11:21] <ShorTie> now the rest can be any where
[11:21] <joe7dust> its gotta be simpler than that man
[11:21] <joe7dust> there isn't eevn an option in rufus to do a fat + ext4
[11:22] <joe7dust> RetroPie is built on top of Raspbian (a linux based OS for the Raspberry Pi) and as such the partition on the SD card is EXT4 (a linux filesystem) which is not visible on windows systems
[11:22] <joe7dust> try ext4
[11:22] <Apicalis> Rufus uses DD Image for UbuntuMate
[11:22] <Apicalis> It's the only choice it lets me pick
[11:22] <czr> ShorTie, yeah, that's what I thought
[11:22] <joe7dust> you'll only get one option on that and its based off the image you select
[11:22] <ShorTie> the /boot must be fat on the sdcard, the rest can be anything/anywhere
[11:22] <joe7dust> mine was also dd
[11:23] <Apicalis> double d ^^
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[11:24] <joe7dust> i definitely did not have to worry bout making a special partition with /boot FAT or whatever he's talking bout
[11:24] <ShorTie> aka: data distroyer
[11:24] <ShorTie> it's all in the image that get writen
[11:25] <Apicalis> well lets hope it works
[11:25] <ShorTie> that is why formatting is not needed
[11:25] <Apicalis> yeah i never did that before but all the guides i found so far used that SDformatter before that
[11:25] <ShorTie> the image 'formats' the sdcard the way it wants
[11:25] <Apicalis> Back when i installed Kodi and Octoprint i didnt use SD format etc. beforehand
[11:26] <Apicalis> .... UbuntuMate works.....
[11:26] <Apicalis> I gonna check me settings and try OpenELEC now with Rufus
[11:26] <ShorTie> so it twas just those other screwy images then
[11:27] <joe7dust> all i know is i got my pi in the mail today and the flash was 1 shot, 1 kill for me
[11:27] <Apicalis> It was like that for me too before
[11:27] <joe7dust> strangely i can't find anywhere in this guide that says which file format
[11:27] <joe7dust> but i l ikely read that part about ext4 i pasted, so i probably piked ext4
[11:29] <Apicalis> i gonna flash OpenELEC now
[11:29] <Apicalis> Ubuntu got stuck on some error "nonblocking pool is initialized". But that's not really interesting since it seems to appear because there is nothing attached to it
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[11:30] * curlyears (6ca72608@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip. Quit (K-Lined)
[11:30] * k_sze[work] (654eb2ba@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Quit (K-Lined)
[11:30] <joe7dust> well judging that the boot partition is FAT that would probably be the most guarantee to work, trouble with using fat for the entire drive tho would be some limitations like 2gb max file size or something
[11:31] <shauno> for the entire drive breaks linux pretty well. no permissions, etc
[11:32] <shauno> but it's needed for /boot because the code in the gpu that loads the second stage off the card .. well it ain't that clever.
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[11:33] <joe7dust> just use ext4 ...
[11:33] <joe7dust> it should automatically create the /boot FAT partition based off data in your image file
[11:36] <joe7dust> i wouldd follow whatever guide that told you to use openELEC because apparently it varies... https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=91&t=13138&start=25
[11:36] <joe7dust> for NOOBS it has to be FAT
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[11:40] <joe7dust> apicalis apparently openelec does actually need 2 different partitions like shortie was saying https://tasksofohm.wordpress.com/hardware/openelec-on-raspberry-pi/
[11:40] <joe7dust> so rufus may not work
[11:41] <Drzacek> he's gone
[11:42] <Drzacek> You don't need to format SD card, because IMG file contains image of partition(s) - and it is then written to sd card, bit to bit
[11:42] <Drzacek> it contains all information about file system, partition etc etc
[11:43] <joe7dust> yes but on rufus after selecting img file you can then select a file format
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[11:43] <joe7dust> but its possible that dropdown selection would have no effect
[11:43] <Drzacek> joe7dust, OK, I only used rufus one so I am no specialist, I just assumed it is something like win32diskimager
[11:43] <joe7dust> at any rate i think i picked ext4
[11:44] <joe7dust> but thats for retropie
[11:44] <joe7dust> i saw on a guide for openelec it suggests otherwise
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[11:48] <joe7dust> i saw a video on win32disk and its much simpler, it had like 3 buttons and one of them is just "write"
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[11:54] <kromag_> g'morning y'all
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[11:58] <Drzacek> A friend of mine ask, why he got K-lined
[11:58] <kromag_> you have to ask the asim
[11:58] <kromag_> administrator rather
[11:58] <kromag_> network admin
[11:59] <shauno> Drzacek: you'll likely get further with that in #freenode
[11:59] <kromag_> which should show up on the MOTD
[11:59] <kromag_> yeah
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[11:59] <kromag_> and he would have to go to freenode's website and see what they have for asking them there
[11:59] * harish (~harish@ Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[11:59] <kromag_> cause all they will tell you in freenode, most likely, is about generalizations on why they do it
[11:59] <kromag_> they won't tell you why they did it to him
[12:00] <kromag_> without you proving you were him
[12:00] <kromag_> then they will kline you again
[12:00] * kline smiles evilly
[12:00] <shauno> eh. they should be able to at least peek and see whether it was intentional, or an overzealous bot
[12:00] <joe7dust> whats k-lined ?
[12:00] <shauno> but yeah. if someone can help, that'll be the place
[12:00] <kromag_> kilined is when they ban you
[12:01] <Ascavasaion> joe7dust: they ban you from an IRC server
[12:01] <kromag_> I believe it's your IP block too
[12:01] <Ascavasaion> Kromag: Agreed.
[12:01] <kromag_> the whole block
[12:01] <kromag_> not just that one IP
[12:01] <kromag_> it's so you can't replenish the IP and sign back on
[12:01] <kromag_> which was a way to ban evade easily back in the day
[12:02] <Drzacek> well it looks like multiple users were klined instantly (3 users in this channel) - could be they banned some IP-range from public network? Although Apicalis claim he uses his private network
[12:02] <Ascavasaion> Drzacek: Usually they can contact IRc admin and they can get back.
[12:02] <joe7dust> oh thats why he left?
[12:02] <Berg> i have been known to ban a country beforew today good fun
[12:02] <Berg> :)
[12:03] <joe7dust> i used to ban hundreds of countries every hour
[12:03] <joe7dust> hosting dota 1 games :D
[12:03] <joe7dust> not USA? BANN
[12:03] <Berg> feel the love
[12:03] <Ascavasaion> that happened a lot on Undernet in the early nineties when I first started chatting and that was the place to be :)
[12:03] <kromag_> Drzacek could be
[12:03] <kromag_> yeah have him contact the irc Operator//admin via the Freenode website portal
[12:03] <kromag_> Drzacek, who was it
[12:04] <Berg> yeah best place to go
[12:04] <kromag_> if you don't mind
[12:04] <Berg> i dont
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[12:04] <kromag_> also if there were a lot of reports on the person about their conduct and all they have to do is review the logs then they will warn you usually via a notice
[12:04] <kromag_> and then kline or there's another one they use too
[12:05] <Ascavasaion> I had a cyber girlfriend from Sweden on Undernet those days... sigh... to be young and naive. Susannah, Susannah... where for art thou Susannah.
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[12:05] <kromag_> Ascavasaion, she's comm'n' around the mountain... oh there she comes!
[12:05] <kromag_> lmao
[12:05] <joe7dust> whoa this sounds cool! I'm just a little too young to have discovered that www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gline
[12:05] <Jck_true> Ascavasaion: And today you realize he was a 45 year old dude :P
[12:05] <Ascavasaion> Kromag: HAHAHAAH!
[12:05] <kline> Drzacek: theres a discussion on this in #freenode just now, it was an overly wide automated k-line
[12:05] <Ascavasaion> Jck_true: Exactly.
[12:05] <kline> it should be gone by now
[12:06] <kromag_> Jck_true, all to true sometimes on the interwebs
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[12:06] <kromag_> isn't that shit gross
[12:06] <kromag_> oops
[12:06] <Ascavasaion> there was a Z-line as well.
[12:06] <kromag_> yeah
[12:06] <kromag_> there were like 5 major ones
[12:06] <kline> kromag_: you might be thinking about g-line. k-line is a server ban, g-line is a network ban. freenode however syndicates its configuration, so every server gets the same k-lines and becomes a defacto g-line
[12:06] <Ascavasaion> kline: Kevin?
[12:06] <kromag_> yeah gline was the big dawg i think
[12:07] <kline> Ascavasaion: should have started with a whois
[12:07] <Ascavasaion> kline: I was joking... Kevin Kline :)
[12:07] <kline> don't know who that is :(
[12:08] <Berg> perfume
[12:08] <joe7dust> apparently there is another definition
[12:08] <Ascavasaion> kline: An actor.
[12:08] <Berg> or shoes
[12:08] <joe7dust> " Kline
[12:08] <joe7dust> To sexually satisfy a woman.
[12:08] <joe7dust> 1. She had a smile on her face all day, which is what a good klining will do to you! "
[12:08] <Ascavasaion> joe7dust: *gasp*
[12:08] <Ascavasaion> My virgin eyes.
[12:08] <Berg> heh
[12:08] <joe7dust> kline you sly dog
[12:09] <kromag_> no-comment
[12:09] <kromag_> lol
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[12:09] <Berg> it was kalvin kline not kevin
[12:09] <Berg> had me thinking
[12:09] <joe7dust> Calvin
[12:09] <joe7dust> how do you not know CK...
[12:09] <Berg> kalvin
[12:09] <kromag_> joe7dust don't ruin a good joke
[12:09] <joe7dust> its not KK
[12:09] <kromag_> it's not polite
[12:09] <joe7dust> lmfao
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[12:09] <Apicalis> Finally
[12:10] <joe7dust> what happened?
[12:10] <Berg> wait you being assumptive
[12:10] <kromag_> lol it shows his IP
[12:10] <Ascavasaion> Actor = Kevin Kline... designer = Calvin Klein
[12:10] <Apicalis> Got banned for no reason
[12:10] <joe7dust> how the heck did you get unbanned so fast
[12:10] <kromag_> what did they say it was due to?
[12:10] <Berg> so who is theis kaslvine kline fellar?
[12:10] <kromag_> joe7dust, you're too young
[12:11] <Berg> your all very confusing
[12:11] <kromag_> to be discussing kline arangements
[12:11] <kromag_> you're*
[12:11] <Berg> your
[12:11] <Berg> im aussie
[12:11] <kromag_> does not matter
[12:11] <kromag_> proper english is proper english
[12:11] <Berg> yes it does
[12:11] <kromag_> aussie's do not have special engish rules
[12:11] <Berg> like i said im aussie
[12:11] <kromag_> I don't care
[12:11] <Berg> we do
[12:11] <joe7dust> I'm 35
[12:11] <Berg> i do
[12:11] <Apicalis> So to everyone who helped me, i went full retard. I have a 1 B+ not a 2B+.
[12:11] <kromag_> speak your own language then
[12:11] <kromag_> don't ruin ours
[12:11] <Berg> i did
[12:12] <Berg> hahahah
[12:12] <Apicalis> But i still need a 2B+ or 3 to get RaspberryMatic to run
[12:12] <joe7dust> I KNEW IT WAS A HARDWARE ISSUE
[12:12] <joe7dust> WHAT DO I WIN!?
[12:12] <kromag_> your in that context is not correct grammar
[12:12] <Apicalis> A potatoe
[12:12] <Berg> then or than?
[12:12] <Apicalis> Go to your local farmersmarket and tell them apicalis sent u
[12:12] <kromag_> Apicalis, did they tell you what the kline was for?
[12:13] <Apicalis> no
[12:13] <Ascavasaion> Lunch time... toasted sandwiches it is... be back in a bit.
[12:13] <Apicalis> It just said " broke the rules of freenode"
[12:13] <joe7dust> so you're on a proxy?
[12:13] <Ascavasaion> someone tried to cyber Chanserv... or kline Chanserv should I say?
[12:13] <Apicalis> Appearently it was by accident
[12:13] <kromag_> did you contact them to have it lifted or was it lifted from your friend here talking to them
[12:13] <kromag_> yeah there were 3 people klined though
[12:13] <mfa298> Apicalis: probably not you being banned, I think a freenode person got overly enthusiastic with the ban hammer and took out a load of webchat users
[12:14] <kromag_> someone had said
[12:14] <Apicalis> yeah looks like it
[12:14] <Apicalis> i was only in arduino and raspberry channel and i was only actively writing here so there was no rules i broke
[12:14] <kromag_> wouldn't it had been pretty neat if you could not get on to IRC for like a week or something?
[12:15] <joe7dust> i am amzed you managed to get unbanned so fast
[12:15] <Apicalis> I wouldve just made another account and restarted my router
[12:15] <Drzacek> mmm toasted sand-witches
[12:15] <Apicalis> I know the high ranked people
[12:15] <joe7dust> nope
[12:15] <Berg> i got banned for a bad naughty quit message
[12:15] <kromag_> Apicalis, sometimes people have bad clients and the clients could spam stuff to the server
[12:15] <kromag_> I seen that happen before
[12:15] <kromag_> via a desktop hijacking
[12:15] <Berg> to9ok me a week to get a answer by email
[12:15] <kromag_> their client was injected
[12:15] <Apicalis> I am using a browser client
[12:15] <kromag_> that's even easier
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[12:16] <kromag_> Which browser cient are you using by the way?
[12:16] <Berg> i thought they warned you for flood
[12:16] <kromag_> out of curiosity
[12:16] <Apicalis> irc.lc/freenode/raspberrypi
[12:16] <Berg> kick with flood message
[12:16] <kromag_> Berg, if you're using something like WPE they do
[12:16] <Berg> hmm
[12:16] <kromag_> to flood with
[12:17] <mfa298> joe7dust: I think someone made a mistake so it was undone fairly quickly, chances are it wasn't Apicalis that was breaking the rules, just another webchat user
[12:17] <kromag_> It's a packet editor automation tool
[12:17] <Apicalis> I think it's just because i am freakin amazing. That's why! And everybody who says something else is a liar
[12:17] <kromag_> if that's how you want to live your life
[12:17] <kromag_> I won't stop you
[12:17] <Berg> maybe they was dynamic ip and reterning after ip change so the admin banned a group of ips
[12:18] <kromag_> returning*
[12:18] <Berg> im aussie
[12:18] <Apicalis> Nah the last time my IP changed was at 0:25 in the morning
[12:18] <Berg> stoip that
[12:18] <kromag_> then speak aussie
[12:18] <Berg> hahahah
[12:18] <Berg> i do
[12:18] <kromag_> no you are speaking bad english
[12:18] <Apicalis> That's aussie language
[12:18] <Apicalis> U bugger
[12:18] <kromag_> I don't care
[12:18] <Berg> crikey
[12:19] <kromag_> I'll just ignore ya then
[12:19] <Berg> sure
[12:19] <Apicalis> Aussie language is nothin moar than bad british mate
[12:19] <kromag_> the british speak very well put english
[12:19] <kromag_> they speak nothing like that
[12:19] <Berg> i feel your over re-acting
[12:19] <kromag_> I don't ever over react
[12:20] <Berg> am i being ignored?
[12:20] <kromag_> you are now
[12:20] <Apicalis> Ovaryacting?
[12:20] <Berg> man its a tuff life
[12:20] <boris2015> whats the most minimal os to run on the raspberry pi guys
[12:20] <kline> none
[12:20] <boris2015> lol
[12:20] <kline> you dont require an os, strictly
[12:20] <Berg> dietpi tinypi
[12:21] <boris2015> without an os how to u control stuff
[12:21] <Berg> i use raspbian lite
[12:21] <Drzacek> doesn't "mate" mean "reproduction partner"?
[12:21] <kline> boris2015: it woulod be best to explain what you require, and then we can pick that
[12:21] <mfa298> boris2015: raspbian lite is a common one that people use (myself included) there are a few other minimal distros as well
[12:21] <Berg> no
[12:21] <Myrtti> if you're still wondering about the kline on kiwi-irc, it was accidentally set so wide and quickly fixed. Exteremely sorry for everyone affected.
[12:21] <czr> boris2015, you write programs that manipulate hardware registers to do magic
[12:21] <joe7dust> so far today i have heard that pi doesn't have a bios, doesn't have a firmware, and now it doesn't need an OS ... apparently it runs off pixie dust. I'm sticking to that.
[12:21] <boris2015> how about gentoo
[12:21] <kromag_> I just use raspbian or ubuntu mate
[12:22] <boris2015> anyone tried gentoo on raspberry pi?
[12:22] <czr> boris2015, http://www.valvers.com/open-software/raspberry-pi/step01-bare-metal-programming-in-cpt1/
[12:22] <Berg> not
[12:22] <kline> joe7dust: i cant tell if you're being funny or if you just really dont understand how processors work
[12:22] <kromag_> no I don't like all those flavors
[12:22] <kromag_> I like ubuntu and raspbian
[12:22] <joe7dust> kline: Yes.
[12:22] <kline> all of the above then
[12:22] <mfa298> joe7dust: it *does* have a firmware, just that it's loaded from a chip on the sd card rather than chip on the board. This means it's easier to upgrade and harder to break it
[12:23] <Berg> the mystery is solved
[12:23] <boris2015> raspbian uses a lot of memory in my opinion
[12:23] <kromag_> and the IoT stuff like IoT's win10 on the Pi3
[12:23] <kromag_> totally sucks
[12:23] <boris2015> around like 2-300+
[12:23] <kromag_> slowest thing I ever seen
[12:23] <kromag_> I had that on there
[12:23] <joe7dust> tecnically speaking I didn't think a firmware could be on any sort of daughterboard/peripheal
[12:23] <kromag_> for about 20 minutes
[12:23] <Berg> raspbian or raspdian lite there is 2 flavours
[12:23] <kromag_> boris2015, have you tried berryboot?
[12:23] <kromag_> or berryTerminal
[12:23] <boris2015> kromag_: whats that
[12:24] <czr> firmware is just a general term for software that can't be easily replaced by end-user of the product. imo no technical meaning
[12:24] <boris2015> linux distro?
[12:24] <kromag_> I baught a PiDrive and it came with it
[12:24] <joe7dust> doesn't the pi0 motherboard absolutely require a FW somewhere on it ? It might not be standard NVRAM or whatever it could be an unmodifiable ROM chip somehwere, but I think it would still have to exist somewhere
[12:24] <kromag_> it's like Noobs
[12:24] <kromag_> it's a loader
[12:24] <kromag_> has a bunch of OS' on it
[12:24] <boris2015> oh
[12:24] <kromag_> you flash to your SD
[12:24] <czr> joe7dust, see above for definition of "firmware"
[12:24] <mfa298> joe7dust: that's only in the blinked x86 world, firmware exists in a lot of places and can be loaded in a variety of ways.
[12:24] <kromag_> and you load it like you do NOOBs the first time
[12:24] <kromag_> and you can switch between OS'
[12:24] <Berg> hay Kromag you bought or baught
[12:24] <kromag_> and even share between os'
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[12:25] <Berg> pot calling the kettle black
[12:25] <joe7dust> i think for it to be called FW and HW, it does have to be flashable in some way
[12:25] <joe7dust> and not*
[12:25] <boris2015> I really want to find out if installing gentoo on raspberry pi would make any difference
[12:25] <boris2015> lol
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[12:25] <czr> joe7dust, firmware can be in ROM, ie, not flashable.
[12:25] <kromag_> any difference about what boris2015
[12:26] <kline> joe7dust: well, think about FPGAs, which are hardware, but the way the hardware works (the firmware) is software loaded on every power cycle, rather than semi-permanently flashed
[12:26] <boris2015> I mean in terms of performance
[12:26] <mfa298> joe7dust: as above, the firmware is on the SD card. It's one of the files in the FAT partition
[12:26] <czr> kline, except for flash based FPGAs ;-)
[12:26] <kromag_> well check out the os' on BerryBoot
[12:26] <kromag_> it might be on there
[12:26] <joe7dust> someone just bought my spare rpi0 yay
[12:26] <kromag_> they have like 10 I think
[12:26] <kline> czr: of course, but lets stick to the simple case
[12:26] <czr> and there's also PLD-style stuff which are write-once :-)
[12:26] <joe7dust> I paid $16 for 2 and just sold 1 for $16 :D
[12:26] <kromag_> joe7dust, for how much
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[12:27] <kline> sure, technically we use CPLDs here at work
[12:27] <joe7dust> #yayforcapatilism
[12:27] <kromag_> you could have sold it for 30
[12:27] <kline> and RPi is not an FPGA, nor any of the parts on it
[12:27] <Berg> price gouging is the right of kings
[12:27] <kristina> https://github.com/christinaa/rpi-open-firmware/commit/6de7c928f8dbc9aa5d831cdda5d77b44a307922d
[12:27] <joe7dust> there was a guy with like 60 of them at $15.95 each so i sold it for $15.94
[12:27] <kristina> commited it
[12:27] <kromag_> you probably messed it all up
[12:27] <kromag_> ;[
[12:27] <kristina> working SDHOST support, can mount boot partition using FatFS
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[12:27] <kromag_> where did you find someone like that joe7dust
[12:27] <kromag_> online of offline
[12:28] <joe7dust> on reddit
[12:28] <joe7dust> had a guy near a microcenter go buy some
[12:28] <kromag_> I would have never trusted a reddit
[12:28] <joe7dust> he went 3 times with his friend and 91 year old grandma
[12:28] <joe7dust> she really needed a pi apparently
[12:28] <czr> kristina, awesome stuff!
[12:28] <kromag_> how do you buy stuff on reddit?
[12:28] <joe7dust> pp
[12:28] <kromag_> google checkout?
[12:28] <kromag_> yeah screw that
[12:29] <kristina> czr: you can technically add a linux loader to it
[12:29] <kromag_> I need more security than that with my money
[12:29] <joe7dust> reddit.com/r/buildapcproxy
[12:29] <kristina> which means you will have blob free boot with a few catches
[12:29] <joe7dust> reddit.com/r/mechswap
[12:29] <kromag_> how about adding the http:// in there to make it clickable
[12:29] <czr> kristina, yeah, I noticed
[12:30] <czr> kristina, does the VC setup the DDR or does the "fw" need to do it?
[12:30] <joe7dust> im going to take this $16 i just got for the 1 and buy 2.5 more :)
[12:30] <kristina> this uses no broadcom code at all
[12:30] <kristina> this is bootcode.bin
[12:31] <kristina> if you're interested, join #raspberrypi-internals
[12:31] <kromag_> for a loader
[12:31] <czr> no, I mean like some SoCs have boot code on ROM that reads data from specific flash address that contains the DDR information and then the bootrom code initializes the DDR controller and the memories
[12:31] <Ascavasaion> i have a Raspberry Pi 1 Model B ... anythign interestign I can do with it? Or should I shelve it?
[12:31] <czr> kristina, I joined. at least for lurking (not going that deep in current project, but lurking is always good)
[12:31] <kromag_> Ascavasaion there's plenty you can do with it
[12:31] <kristina> anyone who's interested or wants to help with a fully open source, blob free rpi boot should come to #raspberrypi-internals ^^
[12:31] <joe7dust> I don't think its true I could have sold it easily for $30... it took 2-3 days for the $16 one to get bought
[12:32] <kristina> but i'll explain
[12:32] <kristina> what i generate is bootcode.bin
[12:32] <czr> kristina, ah, should've read the README.md, it's clear now
[12:32] <kristina> it has a small VC4 part
[12:32] <kristina> https://github.com/christinaa/rpi-open-firmware/blob/master/sdram.c
[12:32] <kristina> this is the EMIF init
[12:33] <mfa298> Ascavasaion: I've got several Pi1B's doing various electronic projects and also one with osmc, so plenty of useful things can be done with them.
[12:33] <kristina> czr: https://github.com/christinaa/rpi-open-firmware/blob/master/arm_chainloader/drivers/mbr_disk.cc
[12:33] <Ascavasaion> thank you Kromag and mfa298
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[12:34] <gordonDrogon> ee
[12:34] <gordonDrogon> eeee
[12:34] <gordonDrogon> bother.
[12:34] <gordonDrogon> 'morning.
[12:34] <kristina> czr: the problem at the moment is i still haven't figured how the vc4 interrupt controller works
[12:34] <kristina> the VPU sleeps itself
[12:35] <kristina> forever
[12:35] <kristina> because mailbox irq is masked
[12:35] <kristina> i want to implement a mailbox interface
[12:35] <kristina> with basically 3 commands
[12:35] <Berg> sleep time night all
[12:35] <kristina> read secure/write secure/jump to this addresss
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[12:35] <czr> kristina, did you use JTAG or anything while working on this?
[12:35] <kristina> nope.
[12:36] <kristina> i'm not from broadcom.
[12:36] <kristina> i know what VC4 jtag uses.
[12:36] <kristina> it's nexus based.
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[12:36] <kristina> but i just can't be arsed to set it up and figure out how it works exactly.
[12:36] <czr> yeah, understood, but I saw some jtag article floating by some days ago and wondered whether people use it actually for anything like this. although probably not that useful with VC
[12:36] * czr nods
[12:36] <kristina> that's for ARM JTAG.
[12:37] <czr> yeah
[12:37] <kristina> the idea is
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[12:37] <kristina> to have ARM load some kind of VPU firmware later
[12:37] <joe7dust> anyone here in the US?
[12:38] <kristina> it doesn't have to
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[12:39] <czr> kristina, https://github.com/christinaa/rpi-open-firmware/blob/master/sdram.c#L562 . what does it mean to leak in this context?
[12:39] <kristina> czr: your nick sounds familiar, have we met before?
[12:39] <joe7dust> I'm wondering if I could get away with shipping the pi0 in a padded envelope with a stamp or 2. I think its 1 stamp for up to 1 oz. and the pi itself is 9 grams.. add maybe 3g for the static bag and 20g for the padded envelope and I'd still be under 1 oz. so I think its doable ?
[12:39] <czr> I think so. on ##kernel most likely, some years back
[12:39] <joe7dust> ebay wants $3 for the shipping label.. but i think a stamp would be enough
[12:39] <kristina> oh yeah you were teaching me about linux!
[12:39] <kristina> right?
[12:39] <kristina> :D
[12:40] <czr> likely, although I think you were already then working something pretty crazy
[12:40] <joe7dust> ok that math is bad.. an oz. is 28g
[12:40] <joe7dust> still think its about 1 oz. or less tho
[12:40] <kristina> czr: want to help me with the firmware? it could really use volunteers.
[12:40] <czr> kristina, hah. no spare at all nowadays sadly :-(
[12:41] <kristina> but anyway back to the point, bootcode.bin should load the next stage image from SD card
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[12:41] <kristina> i could boot linux directly
[12:41] <kristina> with ATAG
[12:42] <czr> you could always piggyback the dtb in the kernel as well, no need to use ATAG unless you want to
[12:42] <kristina> czr: re: ram leak, 7.8us is suboptimal for 4/8gbit ram but it prob won't do anything bad
[12:42] <kristina> i'm talking about tREFI
[12:42] <kristina> which is the self refresh rate
[12:42] <kristina> should be 3.9 but 7.8 is *likely* fine for 400mhz
[12:43] <kristina> for 500mhz we might get fucked over
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[12:43] <kristina> still unlikely
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[12:43] <kristina> it's two ram dies
[12:43] <czr> hmm. right. never worked with DDR3 actually. only DDR1. had the soc memory controller doing the refrehses then (no self refresh memory)
[12:43] <kristina> so it's prob fine regardless
[12:43] <gordonDrogon> kristina, please keep it family friendly.
[12:43] <kristina> doubt the caps would discharge at 7.8 esp with two dies
[12:44] <kristina> on one die maybe
[12:44] <kristina> at 8gbit
[12:44] <kristina> sorry
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[12:44] <kristina> rpi2+ mem consists of two dies
[12:44] <czr> kristina, yeah, agreed it's unlikely. probably might be an issue at higher temps though
[12:44] <kristina> 1 cs to switch
[12:44] <czr> or anywhere
[12:44] <czr> s/or/if/
[12:44] <kristina> well i don't do pvt calibration
[12:44] <kristina> well i only do it once
[12:44] <kristina> at bootup
[12:45] <kristina> i think 400mhz is fine
[12:45] <kristina> shouldn't heat too much
[12:45] <Ascavasaion> Which is the lighter mediacentre, XBMX/Kodi, OSMX, OpenElec, any others? I tried XBMC before and it seemed a little sluggish to respond.
[12:45] * czr nods
[12:45] <kristina> considering the firmware now by default disables runtime pvr
[12:45] <kristina> pvt
[12:45] <czr> kristina, anyway, have to get back to module stuff, ttyl
[12:45] <kristina> see you
[12:45] <kristina> aw no one to talk to about firmware now :(
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[12:46] <kristina> hi mgottschlag :D
[12:47] <mgottschlag> hi
[12:47] <kristina> mgottschlag: https://github.com/christinaa/rpi-open-firmware/commit/6de7c928f8dbc9aa5d831cdda5d77b44a307922d :DDDD
[12:47] <kristina> now i just gotta write a linux loader
[12:48] <mgottschlag> really nice :D
[12:48] <kristina> load kernel.img and watch it crash in a spectacular way as it tries to talk to the nonexistent firmware
[12:48] <kristina> i'm sad more people aren't as excited about this :x
[12:49] <mgottschlag> I guess that for people to be excited there needs to be more of a practical advantage
[12:50] <kristina> well in that case
[12:50] <mgottschlag> like, "here, real-time capable configurable bit-banging engine on the VC processor, that's not possible with the closed firmware" or something like that
[12:50] <kristina> i can just load start.elf
[12:50] <kristina> patch out ARM init
[12:50] <kristina> and then they can have open source boot
[12:50] <kristina> and still have non broken linud
[12:51] <kristina> linux
[12:51] <kristina> my bootcode can start ARM, load start.elf, find the arm loader in it and patch out the reset
[12:51] <kristina> the just kick off the BCM firmware as normal
[12:52] <kristina> but that's no fun
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[12:54] <mgottschlag> how does RAM initialization work btw? does the early boot code run in cache, or in some other on-chip memory?
[12:54] <kristina> bootcode.bin runs from L1
[12:55] <kristina> it's never evicted because it never accesses anything above 128k
[12:55] <kristina> when ARM starts, the VC4 part of the firmware still sits in cache.
[12:55] <mgottschlag> okay... I remember something that the original firmware randomly branched around in the DRAM initialization code, is that to keep stuff in the cach
[12:55] <mgottschlag> e?
[12:56] <mgottschlag> (or did you look at that at all, or did I see something completely different?)
[12:56] <kristina> mgottschlag: the original firmware code was shared with start elf that's why it copied itself to the latched bootram
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[12:56] <kristina> it didn't need to
[12:56] <mgottschlag> ah
[12:56] <kristina> it copied itself there because it disabled sdram clock
[12:56] <kristina> but if you're running from l1
[12:56] <kristina> disabling sdram clock doesn't matter
[12:57] <kristina> if you're running in start.elf then yes
[12:57] <joe7dust> damn kristina you are highly skilled aren't you
[12:57] <kristina> you don't want to disable it
[12:57] <joe7dust> you ever write your own drivers?
[12:57] <kristina> that's why it does the bootram crap
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[12:57] <kristina> because bootram is latched
[12:57] <kristina> sdram is well ... dram.
[12:58] <kristina> so caps, need to refresh etc
[12:58] <joe7dust> this kernel mod thingy is over my head and may well be more advanced than writing a driver, just I think of custom writing a driver as near the ultimate in technical skill
[12:58] <mgottschlag> hm, bootram probably also would be the place for performance-critical real-time code during runtime, wouldn't it?
[12:58] <mgottschlag> joe7dust: this is much worse than driver development
[12:58] <kristina> yes
[12:58] <mgottschlag> *much*
[12:58] <kristina> bootram is SRAM
[12:59] <kristina> it's 0x8000 of SRAM
[12:59] <mgottschlag> I've done driver development and hardware reverse engineering before, and the latter is just frustratingly hard :D
[12:59] <kristina> (you can overwrite the bootrom)
[12:59] <joe7dust> I'm waiting for you guys to start communiation in hex and binary
[12:59] <joe7dust> communicating*
[12:59] <kristina> it's copied early to sram
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[12:59] <kristina> from some magic place
[12:59] <kristina> by hardware
[12:59] <kristina> at boot time the bootrom is loaded into sram by hardware itself
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[12:59] <kristina> and vc4 executes it from there
[13:00] <kristina> you can safely wipe the bootrom
[13:00] <kristina> after you don't need it anymore
[13:00] <kristina> the firmware does it
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[13:00] <kristina> mgottschlag: pvt calibration code runs from l1 cache actually
[13:00] <kristina> they use a weird trick
[13:00] <kristina> to get a preload
[13:00] <kristina> if you look at the code
[13:01] <kristina> you'll see a bunch of branches that never trigger
[13:01] <kristina> but they'll jump through the code
[13:01] <mgottschlag> that's probably what I meant
[13:01] <kristina> gets the vpu to load it into cache
[13:01] <joe7dust> All I know about L1 cache is that my i3-4310 has L3 cache that is faster than its L1 (like 55gb/s)
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[13:01] <kristina> it's like some code then bvs some location ahead
[13:01] <kristina> but that bvs never happens
[13:01] <mgottschlag> joe7dust: not true
[13:01] <kristina> but i guess the branch predictor will do a preload from the bvs
[13:02] <kristina> well maybe not
[13:02] <kristina> either way
[13:02] <joe7dust> yea i thought it was an odd test too, i thought the lower the level the higher the speed.. ill run the test again and share it
[13:02] <kristina> these bvs things
[13:02] <kristina> are what makes sure the code is loaded into L1
[13:02] <mgottschlag> joe7dust: it might be for cross-core access, because remote L1 is even more distant than the L3
[13:02] <kristina> i think they're spaced out
[13:02] <kristina> in a way that makes them preload into cache lines
[13:03] <joe7dust> ok im a dipshit i got rows mixed with columns
[13:03] <kristina> *however* sdram freq code runs from SRAM
[13:03] <joe7dust> its read/write/copy across the top, i was think that was l1/2/3
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[13:03] <kristina> i don't know why
[13:03] <kristina> probably no reason
[13:03] <mgottschlag> I once saw some weird branches all over the code which *were* executed
[13:03] <kristina> it can run from L1 or SRAM
[13:03] <kristina> mgottschlag: i think they're executed a few times
[13:03] <joe7dust> got a 76GB/s on the copy this time so somehow my system is much faster now it was like 55
[13:03] <kristina> mgottschlag: can i pm?
[13:04] <kristina> if you got time
[13:04] <mgottschlag> time? not really, but go ahead
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[13:05] <mgottschlag> oops, wrong button
[13:06] <kristina> mgottschlag: see in pm
[13:06] <kristina> i'll explain what goes on here tho
[13:06] <kristina> the first set ofg bvses
[13:06] <kristina> basically skips all of the code
[13:06] <kristina> at the end there's cmp r0, r0
[13:06] <joe7dust> and now its down to 71gb/s :( oh well it still exceeds my needs http://imgur.com/GeC5EvO
[13:06] <kristina> and branch back to the start
[13:07] <mgottschlag> ah, and regular operation just skips over the conditional branches
[13:07] <kristina> mgottschlag: it skips over ALL of it the first time around but it makes sure to branch many times
[13:07] <mgottschlag> yeah
[13:08] <kristina> none of the code aside those bvs instructions gets executed the first time around
[13:08] <kristina> what happens is
[13:08] <kristina> it gets the VPU to preload this chunk of code into L1
[13:08] <kristina> the cmp r0 r0 at the end will then make those bvs get basically ignored
[13:09] <kristina> on the second pass
[13:09] <kristina> so the code will just run as if they're not there but it'll be guaranteed to be in L1
[13:10] <kristina> before it does this dance
[13:10] <kristina> it disables L1 eviction
[13:11] <kristina> wait no
[13:11] <kristina> it disables VLINK
[13:11] <kristina> VLINE
[13:11] <kristina> whatever that is
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[13:13] <kristina> mgottschlag: any ideas what BP and VLINE could be in relation to L1 cache?
[13:13] <kristina> it clears BP_DISABLE and sets DISABLE_VLINE before doing the bvs preload
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[13:17] <joe7dust> would someone mind saying my name to help me test something
[13:17] <kristina> joe7dust:
[13:17] <joe7dust> whoa my font is bold now, that didn't change for you guys did it ?
[13:17] <joe7dust> ok dumb question
[13:18] <joe7dust> ok one more time plz :)
[13:18] <joe7dust> hopefully i did it right this time
[13:18] <ozzzy> font changes there don't have any effect on other people's clients
[13:18] <ozzzy> this is IRC not IM
[13:19] <oq> ozzzy: some channels do allow it
[13:19] <ozzzy> some allow IRC colours etc. yes
[13:20] <joe7dust> well im on mirc and if i hit contrl+bit makes my font bold, but i guess thats just me
[13:20] <joe7dust> joe7dust
[13:20] <joe7dust> joe7dust
[13:20] <Myrtti> since this channel is +c, yes. it's only you
[13:21] <mgottschlag> kristina: well, BP could be branch prediction, but that's only somewhat related to caches
[13:21] <kristina> mgottschlag: right so it enables branch prediction
[13:21] <kristina> which makes perfect sense
[13:21] <mgottschlag> maybe to ensure that nothing unrelated is loaded into the cache, due to branch target misprediction
[13:21] <mgottschlag> hm, or actually... the opposite
[13:22] <mgottschlag> no idea about vline
[13:22] <kristina> the bvses will likely get the branch predictor to load all the code into L1
[13:22] <kristina> the code isn't technically executed
[13:22] <kristina> but i would guess it would get loaded anyway because of locality?
[13:23] <joe7dust> ok cool i think i got it now found the secret code ($me)
[13:23] <joe7dust> joe7dust
[13:23] <joe7dust> dangit
[13:23] <joe7dust> maybe it doesn't work when i say it
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[13:24] <mgottschlag> kristina: are the branches more than a cache line apart?
[13:24] <joe7dust> lol i can't send on channel #help ... wtf good is that then ?
[13:24] <mgottschlag> otherwise, why isn't it technically executed? didn't you say that the first pass takes all those branches?
[13:24] <ozzzy> what do you need help with?
[13:24] <joe7dust> just like 200 people chilling in a muted room over there -.-
[13:25] <joe7dust> testing my highlight i added
[13:25] <joe7dust> should color any line with my name red and play a sound
[13:25] <joe7dust> didn't work when i said it
[13:25] <mgottschlag> I mean, code is only loaded whole cache lines at a time
[13:25] <ozzzy> joe7dust, there
[13:25] <joe7dust> YAY it works
[13:25] <joe7dust> ty ozzzy ozzzy ozzzy oi oi oi
[13:25] <ozzzy> wth is that
[13:25] <mgottschlag> and branch prediction doesn't change that, it might just prefetch branch targets
[13:26] <joe7dust> its a thing they say on an american talkshow latenight
[13:26] <joe7dust> forget the guy but they have a beer-drinking theme
[13:26] <joe7dust> and actually apparently its australian in origin
[13:26] <joe7dust> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_W4tq7fITE
[13:27] <ozzzy> well... I don't watch american tv and I'm not australian so I guess that explains it
[13:27] <joe7dust> ^_^
[13:27] <kristina> mgottschlag: i'm wrong, bootcode runs from L2
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[13:27] <kristina> L1 is 16kb
[13:28] <kristina> firmware uses L1 for SDRAM stuff
[13:28] <joe7dust> ozzzy the brits actually started it in the 70s :P
[13:28] <joe7dust> <3 wikipedia
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[13:29] <kristina> after bootcode is done, it just enables L2 cache eviction
[13:29] <kristina> bootrom clears L2, disables eviction and copies bootcode.bin to start of RAM
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[13:30] <kristina> L1 at boot isn't locked, it's just a cache doing cache things
[13:30] <kristina> the firmware abuses L1 sometimes
[13:30] <kristina> sometimes it abuses SRAM
[13:31] <kristina> SRAM is 32kb
[13:31] <kristina> L1 is 16kb
[13:31] <kristina> So I'm guessing if the code won't fit in L1, they copy it to SRAM
[13:31] <kristina> which is more fiddly
[13:31] <kristina> for code under 16kb they can just abuse L1
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[13:33] <kristina> or does the L1 cache have 128kb?
[13:33] <kristina> i think it's 16kb
[13:33] <mgottschlag> 128kB would be huge for a L1 cache, that's really unlikely
[13:34] <mgottschlag> (L2 of the pi1 wasn't much larger than that)
[13:34] <kristina> yeah you're right i was just looking at headers
[13:34] <kristina> 128kb for L2 and 16kb for L1
[13:36] <ap0calypse> yes, i finally managed to get slackware setup running on my pi0
[13:36] <ap0calypse> \o/
[13:36] <ap0calypse> pretty hard task so far
[13:36] <kristina> so if they want to run something that's under 16kb they can enable BP and disable "VLINE" and then jump over the chunks of code
[13:36] <kristina> mgottschlag: any idea how big a cache line of l1 is?
[13:37] <mgottschlag> no idea, but shouldn't be too difficult to find out
[13:37] <mgottschlag> (as long as you know how to disable automatic prefetching)
[13:37] <mgottschlag> touch every 32th byte in a loop, and then every 64th
[13:38] <mgottschlag> if the former results in higher memory thoughput, cache lines are 64 byts long (and therefore cache contents are reused)
[13:39] <kristina> distances between BVSes vary
[13:39] <kristina> first one is 0x3a second is 0x22
[13:39] <mgottschlag> 0x3a is on two consecutive cache lines even if each line is 32 bytes long
[13:39] <mgottschlag> (as long as the first line is on a cache line boundary)
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[13:41] <kristina> first is 0x3a then 0x22 then 0x16
[13:42] <mgottschlag> all 4 are on consecutive 32B-lines then
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[13:42] <kristina> next is 0x22 again
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[13:42] <kristina> so 0x3A, 0x22, 0x16, 0x22
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[13:43] <kristina> then 0x24
[13:43] <kristina> is this making any sense?
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[13:44] <mgottschlag> 0x0, 0x3a, 0x5c, 0x72, 0x94... that way, all the code inbetween will be in the cache as well
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[13:45] <mgottschlag> (the fetched cache lines would be 0x0, 0x20, 0x40, 0x60, 0x80)
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[13:45] <streulma> hello I require a 3G/1G user kernel memory split
[13:46] <kristina> so the BVSes all have to lie in different but consecutive cache lines?
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[13:46] <mgottschlag> that's what I'd expect
[13:47] <mgottschlag> they don't have to lie in different cache lines... but they should, because every branch with hits the cache is a wasted instruction
[13:47] <mgottschlag> (I've accidently just worked on various methods to "preheat" caches in my master's thesis :D )
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[13:48] <mgottschlag> s/with/which/
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[13:52] <kristina> mgottschlag: i don't believe VPU has a L1 dcache.
[13:52] <kristina> going to edit the wiki.
[13:53] <kristina> L1 is just Icache.
[13:56] <kristina> why is github being stupid and not letting me edit the page now.
[13:56] <kristina> 404
[13:56] <kristina> what
[13:57] <kristina> >One of our mostly harmless robots seems to think you are not a human.
[13:57] <kristina> what
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[14:16] <Rukus> anyone here overclock the pi 3 at all?
[14:16] <Rukus> you know, for science
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[14:17] <TooLmaN> GPIO. What is the minimal input voltage that will make a pin go high? I need to logically level a 24VDC sensor down to 3V3. Using a 4N35 optocoupler, my output from the leveling is about 2.23VDC. This causes the GPIO input to flap (ON/OFF) randomly. Suggestions?
[14:18] <plugwash> note that the pi3's stock clock is already high enough to get thermal throttling under sustained load.
[14:19] <plugwash> TooLmaN, how do you have things connected? it sounds like you need a pullup
[14:20] <gordonDrogon> TooLmaN, 2.23v ought to be fine. sure there isn't noise on the line?
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[14:20] <plugwash> my guess is he has no pullup on the optocoupler output, so when the transistor is off the output floats randomly
[14:21] <gordonDrogon> TooLmaN, are you using an external pull-up on the collector output?
[14:21] * gordonDrogon nods.
[14:21] <Kromag> guys I created a 32 gb partition by shrinking my windows partition and am trying to install ubuntu desktop to it and now it is complaining about swap space can someone please tell me is there a way to solve this problem from the installation screen here ??
[14:21] <TooLmaN> Here's the circuit I got from the forums. https://123d.circuits.io/circuits/275120-24v-sensor-input-to-raspberry-pi-gpio
[14:21] <pwillard> plugwash: Probably why Adafruit finally will sell you a pi heatsink. finally needs one
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[14:21] <Drzacek> Kromag, go without swap
[14:22] <pwillard> That is a horribly drawn circuit... no offense.
[14:22] <TooLmaN> My main issue with this design is R2. With this resistor in place, the circuit pulls the emitter to ground
[14:23] <TooLmaN> It's not my design :)
[14:23] <TooLmaN> This design calls for a 4N28 opto but I got a 4N35 due tostock
[14:23] <Kromag> Drzacek, why
[14:23] <Kromag> Drzacek, it was saying that was a bad idea
[14:24] <pwillard> basically the same chip
[14:24] <Drzacek> Kromag, how much RAM do you have?
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[14:24] <Drzacek> and what do you intend to do with that system?
[14:24] <pwillard> but the BASE in a OPTO should usually be unconnected.
[14:24] * plugwash wonders why people insist on picking up random crappy circuits from the internet for trivial tasks
[14:24] <TooLmaN> gordonDrogon: plugwash, I've tried this with a pullup and pull down (without R2).
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[14:25] <Drzacek> It is always better to have swap, but in some cases (like when using SSD or flash memory like SD-Card/pendrive) you can go better without
[14:25] <pwillard> and no pullup... so it's basically wired in the worst way possible to "work"
[14:25] * plugwash doesn't see any connections at all on the "schematic" that was linked
[14:25] <TooLmaN> pwillard: I agree. That's why I came here
[14:25] <pwillard> and I agree with plugwash
[14:26] <pwillard> step 1... lose that circuit
[14:26] <pwillard> its crap
[14:26] <Kromag> dude forget it
[14:26] <TooLmaN> I was thinking there was a requirement for the pi that defied electronics. :/
[14:26] <Kromag> I am not even gonna install it
[14:26] <kristina> mgottschlag: btw have you seen my ram init code?
[14:26] <Kromag> when you install windows nobody asks you what you intend to do with the system
[14:26] <Kromag> when you install linux
[14:26] <Drzacek> Kromag, usually you should always have 3 partitions for linux - root (/), home (/home/) and swap. If you can edit your partitioning setting in installer then great, but some installers don't do that when you have no partition (ie free space on disk that is not partitioned)
[14:27] <plugwash> the input side is just an LED, use a suitable current limiting resistor for your input voltage.
[14:27] <kristina> i guess you can't see it because github is being painful.
[14:27] <Kromag> which they claim is so uber they ask what you intend to do and too man questions
[14:27] <TooLmaN> Here's the conflicting article that made more sense to me. http://www.learningaboutelectronics.com/Articles/Optocoupler-circuit.php
[14:27] <Kromag> I just want to install the damn thing and use it
[14:27] <plugwash> On the output side emmitter to ground , collector to the pis GPIO pin, base unconnected and a pullup resistor to 3.3V
[14:27] <Kromag> not take a computer science major class
[14:27] <Drzacek> Kromag, because you only got one windows (in given time + previous versions) and many many many linux systems that you can configure to do many many things
[14:27] <pwillard> that second one is more correct
[14:28] <Kromag> well they claim that it's just like windows in adverts i have seen
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[14:28] <Kromag> and it's just as eassy to install
[14:28] <Kromag> just get the live distro
[14:28] <Kromag> try me out
[14:28] <Kromag> then isntall me
[14:28] <pwillard> replace the 470 with a 4.7K resistor... and replace the LED with a connection to a GPIO pin
[14:28] <Kromag> it's a bunch of bs
[14:28] <Kromag> i'm done with it
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[14:28] <Drzacek> Kromag, you're just being ignorant now. 10 minutes of learning basics isn't a computer major class
[14:28] <pwillard> I agree
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[14:29] <kristina> mmm shall i try loading linux now?
[14:29] <TooLmaN> pwillard: plugwash, I'm redrawing this real quick on paper.
[14:29] <pwillard> I use Linux everyday... I'm typing on it now... and have use this laptop daily since last August running Ubuntu.
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[14:30] <TooLmaN> plugwash: So pullup the GPIO pin to 3V3?
[14:31] <pwillard> yes
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[14:31] <pwillard> when the transistor turns on... it pulls the pin LOW
[14:31] <pwillard> when off pin goes HIGH
[14:32] <pwillard> Honest... the maker of the other design was high on something
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[14:32] <pwillard> I know... high on "instructables"
[14:33] <TooLmaN> I was thinking I forgot something. I thought it was wrong too
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[14:35] <pwillard> plugwash: was right... they took something easy and made it hard... and wrong
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[14:36] <pwillard> There is a proper way to make a transistor interface a GPIO pin and a less correct way. The 123d example was far less correct way.
[14:36] <TooLmaN> I was got the second circuit to work fine. I was confused by the first circuit, thinking there was something internal to the pi I didn't know about.
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[14:37] <pwillard> Logic interfacing is pretty standard. That was by design, of course.
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[14:38] <pwillard> I have a bag of chips from 1975 that I could make work with and arduino or rpi without much work... they just suck more juice.
[14:39] <pwillard> TRUE ttl chips were power hungry.
[14:39] <pwillard> But a vast improvement what came before it.
[14:40] <yene> guys how much A does a raspberry need
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[14:42] <TooLmaN> yene: A as in current?
[14:43] <yene> yee i have some 2A here, should work fine i hope
[14:43] <Drzacek> mmmm....a bag of chips
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[14:43] <TooLmaN> plugwash: So do I need a resistor on the collector or should I just let the internal pullup handle the current limiting?
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[14:44] <TooLmaN> yene: It depends on the RPI version and the USB loads. 2A has never let me down. I think the max draw is upwards of 2.5A.
[14:44] <Drzacek> yene, rpi3b? It need a little more, 2.5-3A should be fine, for pi0 and pi2/pi1 will be enough I think
[14:44] <plugwash> If you mean a resistor between the collector and the PICs GPIO pin it's not strictly needed but it can help protect things if the port gets inadvertantly set as an output
[14:44] <plugwash> this resistor should be after the pullup resistor
[14:44] <TooLmaN> But I did get a RPI 2 to fail to boot on 1.5A
[14:45] <pwillard> I never try less than a 2A supply...
[14:45] <pwillard> my pi3 wants a 2.5A supply to make the little box go away
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[14:55] <Drzacek> ozzzy, don't USB3 have 3A limit?
[14:55] <ozzzy> no
[14:55] <ozzzy> I think it's 900mA or something in 'normal' mode... some have some fancy 'charging' mode that goes higher
[14:58] <ozzzy> but... plugged into the hub the Pi didn't complain when I hot-plugged the kbd/mouse dongle
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[15:05] <TooLmaN> off to a meeting. I'll post a schematic of the 24vdc logic leveler in a bit. Thanks again guys
[15:06] <boris2015> hi guys what are some of the interesting projects to do with the raspberry pi
[15:08] <yene> home automation
[15:08] <yene> or showing cat pictures on a TV
[15:08] <yene> i like to combine both
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[15:09] <Drzacek> catomation? :D
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[15:12] <Bilby> *yawn*
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[15:12] <SpeedEvil> boris2015: juggling
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[15:24] <boris2015> lol
[15:25] <boris2015> how about a home surveillance system :P
[15:25] <boris2015> with built in booby traps like home alone movie
[15:25] <boris2015> lol
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[15:27] <Drzacek> boris2015, very expensive solution, you would have to buy a lot of matchbox cars and glass marbles
[15:27] <Drzacek> not to mention tree house
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[15:32] <pwillard> wow... whack thought... I just wondered if people still use "misterhouse"
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[15:46] <joe7dust> how do I edit the drive name on my pi so that it shows up like this? https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/4n8mzt/so_i_discovered_you_can_use_any_characters_for/
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[15:47] <oq> joe7dust: on your pi? But that's a screenshot of windows
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[15:54] <TooLmaN> pwillard, plugwash: Does this 24VDC-3VDC leveler make more sense? https://123d.circuits.io/circuits/2208017-raspberry-pi-24vdc-to-3v3-signal-leveler
[15:56] <pwillard> No
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[15:56] <pwillard> move the GPIO pin to the where the resistor meets the optocoupler
[15:57] <pwillard> and move the now free end of the resistor to 3.3V
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[15:58] <pwillard> http://www.elemania.altervista.org/digitale/immagini/Open_collector.png
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[16:02] <TooLmaN> pwillard: Refresh that link I sent.
[16:02] <pwillard> correct
[16:03] <TooLmaN> So that allows it to be pulled LOW.
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[16:04] <TooLmaN> SO the GPIO pin becomes the 3V3 source when the transistor is triggered by the LED, right?
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[16:05] <TooLmaN> No wait, the GPIO pin is pulling it LOW, correct?
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[16:14] <TooLmaN> changing conference rooms again. Gonna lose wifi for a bit.
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[16:21] <pwillard> right
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[16:24] <idakyne> Hi
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[16:30] <Zardoz> howdy
[16:30] <pksato> TooLmaN: Need to increase led current, 10k resistor is very high value, try 1k or less (>=390).
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[16:34] <yene> anyone had to use external power source because the rasppi own was not stable for sensors or something
[16:34] <pwillard> for 24V?
[16:35] <pwillard> should be like 2.7K
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[16:43] <TooLmaN> pwillard: pksato Good catch
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[16:44] <TooLmaN> Back in my office finally
[16:45] <TooLmaN> pwillard: So how big should R2 be here? The 3V3-to-collector resistor?
[16:46] <pwillard> 3.3K to 4.7K should be fine
[16:46] <TooLmaN> 4.7K was what I had originally
[16:46] <pwillard> You are only trying to pull the pin to V+
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[16:47] <pwillard> 1ma or so is fine... maybe even a little excessive, but no harm done
[16:48] <TooLmaN> Okay, 3.3k should be fine. Just want a small buffer
[16:49] <pwillard> The resistor only draws "max" current when the transistor pulls it to GND
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[16:49] <TooLmaN> Current design: https://123d.circuits.io/circuits/2208017-raspberry-pi-24vdc-to-3v3-signal-leveler
[16:50] <pwillard> and that is 1ma or so
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[16:50] <TooLmaN> Not to discredit myself too much but my first degree is electronic engineering; circa 1998. I'm a bit rusty. :)
[16:50] <pwillard> Right. That should just "work".
[16:52] <TooLmaN> Thanks for the help guys
[16:53] * pwillard is 100% untrained. Self Taught. Oddly enough... the only subject I got A+ in every semester in High School was Physics. Took Journalism and TV production in College. Silly me.
[16:54] * pwillard says "I coulda been a engineer!"
[16:57] <TooLmaN> Electronic Engineering degree and Computer Science degree. I've spent the last 25 years as a glorified Systems Administrator and odd-jobber as needs arise.
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[16:58] <TooLmaN> In the last year or so, we've been working with and deploying one of my favorite hobbies; RPI's and Arduinos.
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[16:58] <TooLmaN> So I get to brush up on both my EE and Python.
[17:00] <TooLmaN> Anyways, I'm out to yet another meeting. At least this one covers lunch. :)
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[17:12] <NicoHood> if i double the frambuffer setting, does this mean i also need double gpu_mem? framebuffer_depth=32
[17:12] <NicoHood> does it influence the pis cpu speed?
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[17:37] <NicoHood> The diff seems to be only 4mb (i checked). But I cannot tell if the cpu usage is higher. is this possible?
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[17:40] <Eels> For a web server over wifi (so no Ethernet connection), would the A+ work?
[17:40] <methuzla> yes
[17:41] <Eels> From what I can tell, it doesn't come with built-in wifi though?
[17:41] <methuzla> no
[17:42] <methuzla> only pi3 has built-in wifi
[17:42] <Eels> So I'd have to use the only USB port for a wifi dongle?
[17:43] <PhotoJim> wired Ethernet will always be better for permanent connections, if there's any way you can wire there
[17:43] <methuzla> correct. or add a hub.
[17:43] <PhotoJim> and the Pi3's WiFi is USB, electronically speaking, even though it's built in
[17:44] <oq> PhotoJim: really? I was under the impression it was separate bandwidth wise
[17:44] <PhotoJim> no
[17:44] <PhotoJim> it's one USB bus
[17:44] <PhotoJim> and the wired Ethernet is on it too
[17:44] <Eels> Alright, thanks!
[17:44] <PhotoJim> as well as the WiFi in the 3
[17:45] <oq> PhotoJim: got a source for that? This article claims it doesn't share the usb bus, http://www.techrepublic.com/article/raspberry-pi-3-the-inside-story-from-the-new-35-computers-creator/
[17:46] <methuzla> pi3 wifi is not on USB, it uses SDIO
[17:46] <PhotoJim> oq: oh, I stand corrected. apologies.
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[18:07] <stevie86> Hi! one more thing.... my strearmripper job just skips several mb of data without recording!!! why?
[18:09] <ShorTie> data overload ??
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[19:03] <pwillard> Wifi on the 3 is a welcome addition.
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[19:05] <oq> pwillard: not as good as it could be, seems to be only 20mhz n instead of 40mhz
[19:06] <oq> so when every dongle is offering 150mbps at least the built in does half that
[19:06] <pwillard> well, I migrated my octoprint solution from a Pi2 where the USB wifi sucked... to the pi3 where it doesn't
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[19:17] <joe7dust> small update on my project if anyone is interested: http://www.sudomod.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=516&p=5726#p5726
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[19:41] <joe7dust> hmm thats oddd i got dc from freenode and not anything else
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[20:07] <Berg> joe7dust: good morning you was here when i went to sleep
[20:08] <Berg> hello world its 4 am in australia and its still dark
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[20:17] <Bilby> Berg isn't it usually dark at 4AM in early winter?
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[20:18] <Berg> yes
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[20:18] <Bilby> okay, good
[20:19] <Bilby> i wasn't sure if it was usually light out at that time due to bioluminescence from all the things trying to kill you
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[20:19] <Berg> no thats only in the desert areaS
[20:19] <Bilby> Ah
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[20:20] <Berg> here on the coast its just dark spider snakes jelly fish crocodiles bats leaches and bio funguis
[20:20] <Berg> :)
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[20:20] <Bilby> I assume all Australian houses are ringed with fences and huge floodlights a-la I Am Legend or Resident Evil
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[20:22] <Berg> no not realy we just lock ourselves in safe rooms all day
[20:22] <oq> Bilby: I think all the dangerous things in australia are too small to set off a flootlight
[20:22] <Bilby> *shudder*
[20:22] <Berg> we aint scared no wild life
[20:23] <Berg> best one that is most feared is the white tailed spider tiny fellar
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[20:23] <Berg> it bites you your flesh rots off the bone
[20:23] <oq> this is why I'm glad to live in a country where nothing wants to kill me
[20:24] <Berg> see the more i tell you aboput our evil place the less you wona move here more room for me
[20:25] <Bilby> .au is definitely on my list of places to visit, weirdly
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[20:25] <Berg> sure it is
[20:26] <Bilby> and I'd love to take a (well researched and prepared) trip to the Outback, but odds are my prettier half would leave my body for the badgers if I tried
[20:26] <oq> Bilby: in australia even their stinging nettles have transformed into trees and want to kill you
[20:27] <Berg> well you could always visit the pre prepared death industry supported resorts
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[20:27] <Berg> cabinet makers all over australia advertise coffins in over seas papers
[20:28] <Berg> :)
[20:28] <Bilby> Ooh that sounds luverly, dear
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[20:28] <Berg> solvent green is people
[20:28] <Bilby> and I can eat at a "Maccas" and stay in a Holiday Inn and it'll be strange foreign parts all over! Like the plugs are different and you have to watch your TV at night
[20:28] <Bilby> #gag
[20:28] <Berg> hehehe
[20:29] * Bilby tries really hard not to be an American Tourist when he travels
[20:29] <Berg> the dunny water is trained in revers
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[20:29] <Berg> so many things are wron
[20:30] <Berg> wrong
[20:30] <Berg> coffee needed brb
[20:30] <Rukus> i love coffee!~
[20:30] * TooLmaN coffee!?
[20:30] <Rukus> i am drinking some right now! made it in my french press. according to some neckbeard site online tho, i make it wrong
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[20:31] <TooLmaN> Me too. I'm at work so it's the over-priced perk coffee maker. Good Joe though
[20:31] <oq> Rukus: afaik the only factors for coffee are temp and brewing time
[20:31] <Bilby> we have a weird pod thing, plus airpots here. fa-hancy
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[20:31] <TooLmaN> I grind and press my own at home too. That and my Keurig when I'm lazy
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[20:32] <Bilby> French press does feel / taste different (better) than drip pot imo
[20:32] <TooLmaN> yep
[20:32] <oq> I just use an aeropress
[20:32] <Bilby> also much higher pain in the butt per ounce, so i usually only do it on the weekend
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[20:32] <Rukus> oq i think i should have clicked my pot back on for a bit, coffee was warmer than hot this time. and i brew for 4 minutes
[20:32] <TooLmaN> lol same
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[20:33] <Rukus> clicked my kettle back on rather
[20:33] <ThreeGen> Anyone have a smarty pi touch here?
[20:33] <oq> I think ~80C is a good temp
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[20:33] <Rukus> oq i was prob okay then
[20:33] <ThreeGen> I am just wondering if it is all really enclosed in the case, really. And if the $60 MCM touch screen is the correct screen for it.
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[20:34] <Bilby> I haven't splurged on the pi screen yet ThreeGen though lots are
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[20:41] <Berg> freenode is lame today for booting
[20:41] <Berg> I have a coffee plant or 3 in the garden
[20:41] <Berg> so get a rock crush a seed or bean and boil it in water bingo coffee
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[20:42] <oq> where do you live Berg>
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[20:43] <TooLmaN> I have the plants at my mom's. Been there since I was a kid. I roast mine in an Arduino-controlled popcorn roaster. :)
[20:43] <Berg> in aiustalia the land of the wildlife killing factory
[20:43] <oq> I can't imagine coffee plants could grow here
[20:43] <Berg> i heard about popcorn roasteed beans i might try that method
[20:44] <Berg> here is oq?
[20:44] <oq> Berg: the uk
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[20:45] <Berg> have i been booted again?
[20:45] <shauno> yes
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[21:06] <The_Borg> freenode is naughty
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[21:30] <TooLmaN> Odd, freenode bounced me too
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[21:34] <Berg> its having issues with its issues
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[21:48] <Bilby> It's ~been~ having issues
[21:49] <Chillum> it is been having issues?
[21:49] <Bilby> has
[21:49] <Chillum> hehe
[21:49] <Bilby> #english'd
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[21:50] <Chillum> just making fun of the ambiguous it's
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[21:51] <Chillum> I think their error was only forgetting the apostrophe. "It is having issues..."
[21:51] <curlyears> am I here yet?
[21:51] * Chillum spots curlyears
[21:51] <Chillum> it is curl years? or curly ears?
[21:51] <curlyears> curly ears
[21:52] <Berg> thats an issue!
[21:52] <Berg> !!
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[21:52] <stiv> not to be confused with wget years
[21:52] <curlyears> when i first started going out with the woman I married, she would gigle and tell me that when i get aroused, my earlobes curled under. So I adopted curlyears as my nick.
[21:53] <curlyears> so I've been using curlyears as a nick for almost 22 years
[21:53] <Chillum> soooo, you are saying you are aroused whenever on IRC?
[21:54] <Berg> nasty image
[21:54] <Berg> sorry
[21:54] <curlyears> chillum: I enjoy thinking, and I am aroused whenever I am in a situation that calls for thinking
[21:54] <CyberTails> Hi There: With BerryBoot, can you install OSes in a "Partition" of an External Hard Drive or would it format the entire drive?
[21:55] <curlyears> I guess I'm going to write my Noobs SD card today.
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[21:57] <Berg> what os you intend to install?
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[21:58] <CyberTails> RetroPie
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[22:00] <curlyears> *oi vey*
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[22:01] <curlyears> has anyone investigated using a Pi2B+ or higher for controlling a drone?
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[22:01] <curlyears> uhm, incwesrtigated and *reported* on. no doubt, many have invesdtigated it
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[22:03] <curlyears> I wonder what the weight duifference is between 512GB orf RAM, and 1GB of RAM, at the chip level
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[22:07] <niston> curlyears theres a commercial flight controller based on rpi
[22:08] <niston> they run realtime linux on the pi
[22:08] <niston> https://emlid.com/
[22:08] <curlyears> biston: interesting
[22:09] <curlyears> but the pi is in the remote control paenl, right, not the drone?
[22:09] <niston> nope
[22:09] <niston> check this https://community.emlid.com/t/prototype-quadcopter/719
[22:09] <niston> you can see it there
[22:10] <niston> it even supports video downlink over 4G
[22:10] <niston> quite interesting
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[22:15] <curlyears> not exactly in the same prince range aa Pi, though, niston. Nice looking package...does it work as well as they claim?
[22:15] <niston> I wouldnt know from personal experience, but they're around for some time. I figure if it were utter crap, they'd have disappeared by now
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[22:20] <curlyears> niston: good point, though you never know. Apple still manages to sell outrageously expensive cell phones
[22:21] <niston> true
[22:21] <niston> https://community.emlid.com might shed some light
[22:22] <niston> lol there's this guy, raving about how UDP is "noisy" because "it talks alot on the media", insisting that analog video transmission is far superior because UDP is "old military technology"
[22:22] <niston> ROFLOL
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[22:23] <faugusztin> wtf ?
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[22:25] <faugusztin> niston: tell him analog video transmission is old nazi technology
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[22:25] <niston> lool
[22:25] <Tenkawa> hi al
[22:25] <niston> hey o/
[22:25] <Tenkawa> er all
[22:25] <Tenkawa> So... is there any way to get much more perf out of handbrake on arm cpus?
[22:26] <Tenkawa> it works great.. just not fast
[22:26] <mfa298> analogue video tends to have the benefit that it just degrades as the signal gets weaker rather than suddenly stopping. But digital done well should give denent results
[22:26] <yene> yes just replace it with a i7
[22:26] <Tenkawa> yene: haahaa
[22:27] <yene> or do the encoding in the cloud
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[22:27] <faugusztin> Tenkawa: you can do math on abacus too, but a calculator is much more efficient. ARM CPU is your abacus now
[22:28] <yene> are we talking about h264 encoding?
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[22:28] <curlyears> what is handbrake?
[22:29] <mfa298> curlyears: video transcoding software
[22:29] <faugusztin> https://handbrake.fr/news.php ?
[22:29] <mfa298> Tenkawa: out of interest how did you install handbrake, did you find a decent guide for it ?
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[22:31] <Tenkawa> just compiled it from source
[22:31] <Tenkawa> nothing out of the ordinarly
[22:31] <Tenkawa> er ordinary
[22:31] <mfa298> I shall have to try again. I had a quick go a while back and ran into issues but didn't spend much time on it
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[22:32] <Tenkawa> there may be library tweaks however those are usuallly just makefile probs
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[22:32] <yene> handbrake is the best
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[22:32] <mfa298> I shall have to try again at some point
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[22:35] <faugusztin> still, what is the point ?
[22:35] <mfa298> what's the point in what ?
[22:36] <faugusztin> encoding video on pi :)
[22:36] <faugusztin> i mean, sure, you could. but why would you do it ?
[22:36] <Tenkawa> because its my server
[22:36] <mfa298> For me that's where some files from the PVR are stored, and the Pi is always on.
[22:37] <mfa298> I don't really care if it takes a couple of hours to transcode a 1h video.
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[22:37] <Tenkawa> yep
[22:37] <Tenkawa> same
[22:38] <faugusztin> i guess i have an overkill 24/7 rig then :D
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[22:38] <faugusztin> but hey, if you are fine with it, i won't stop you
[22:39] <mfa298> I've done it on a windows VM on an ESX host before but that means pulling the file over the network
[22:39] <niston> nice board for 24/7 ops http://www.pcengines.ch/apu.htm
[22:40] <faugusztin> niston: my mobo for 24/7 :D https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Z170-A/
[22:40] <mfa298> I'd quite like to be able to just cron it so that any files in a folder get transcoded as needed
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[22:40] <faugusztin> too bad my receiver can't do HDMI 2, so no point in getting a 4k60 DP->HDMI2 adapter
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[22:41] <niston> faugusztin: the APU uses just 6W to 12W though
[22:41] <faugusztin> niston: yup. my system idles around 50-60W
[22:41] <niston> not bad
[22:41] <faugusztin> but hey, it's my everything :P
[22:41] <niston> ah, idles. hehe
[22:41] <Tenkawa> i only use ipad/tablets for tv anyway
[22:42] * niston uses a TV for TV :P
[22:42] <faugusztin> i5-6400/40GB RAM/some 35-40TB storage/DVB-C/router/Plex server
[22:42] <niston> im old fashioned :P
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[22:42] <faugusztin> it runs Kodi on host, plus Plex, OpenWRT and Windows as VM's (Windows because DVB-C card not working correctly in Linux)
[22:42] <niston> although thats not 100% correct, I don't use it for TV reception, I only watch movies on it
[22:42] <faugusztin> niston: well, idles is 99% of the time
[22:43] <faugusztin> the typical CPU load is between 5-15%
[22:44] <nebadon> i have been thinking about getting one of these > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813182855
[22:46] <faugusztin> nebadon: not Xeon-D ? dissapointed
[22:46] <nebadon> its only 20w
[22:46] <nebadon> xeon would be a lot more, also a lot more expensive
[22:46] <nebadon> haha
[22:46] <faugusztin> also DDR3 ? dissapointed
[22:46] <nebadon> well for a server it would be fine
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[22:46] <faugusztin> i bough my 16GB DDR4-2133 modules for... 60 euros, they are even cheaper now
[22:47] <nebadon> eventually they will get faster
[22:47] <faugusztin> good luck finding 16GB modules for DDR3 :P
[22:47] <nebadon> they make them
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[22:47] <faugusztin> (hint: intelligentmemory, costs arm and leg)
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[22:47] <faugusztin> well, yes, ECC DDR3 16GB modules actually exist
[22:47] <faugusztin> non-ECC is next to impossible to get tho
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[22:48] <nebadon> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820156043
[22:48] <nebadon> ya its a bit pricy, but you couldnt build a xeon machine for cheaper i suspect
[22:48] <elnormous> Hello!
[22:48] <elnormous> I recently ported my 2D game engine to Raspberry Pi and it works great!
[22:48] <nebadon> its more about power consumption for me
[22:48] <nebadon> 20w server would be nice
[22:49] <elnormous> I would be really happy if you could take a look at the code
[22:49] <elnormous> https://github.com/elnormous/ouzel
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[22:49] <elnormous> RPI code is here: https://github.com/elnormous/ouzel/tree/master/ouzel/rpi
[22:50] <faugusztin> C++... uhm, i pass :P
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[22:50] <elnormous> why?
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[22:51] <faugusztin> you might as well did it in Lisp, same (un)readibility for me
[22:51] <elnormous> ok, not you preference :)
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[22:53] <CharlesN> Is it possible to compile hardfloat images for FreeBSD ?
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[23:03] <curlyears> hardfloat images?
[23:05] <curlyears> are you using FreeBSD on your Pi?
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[23:08] * ozzzy found a use for his pi
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[23:11] <yene> capturing the falling dust from the air
[23:11] <CharlesN> curlyears yes
[23:11] <Berg> door stop?
[23:12] <yene> turning engergy into heat
[23:12] <Berg> wasting time?
[23:12] <Berg> stress test ?
[23:12] <faugusztin> Berg: nah, for that there is https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/459378475/hodor-hold-the-door-tribute-doorstop
[23:12] <faugusztin> *spoilers*
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[23:25] <Berg> Hodoor (Hold The Door) Tribute Doorstop (Canceled)
[23:25] <Berg> ooo the pain
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[23:33] <faugusztin> Berg: "Unfortunately, HBO has informed us they have another licensed partner producing a similar product. We are going to shut down our Kickstarter campaign to respect their IP rights." LOL
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[23:36] <Berg> sure
[23:37] <Berg> im gona kick start a new product called tree wood identifier its a box of matches you light up the matieria;l and if it burns its tree wood
[23:38] <Berg> good for BBQ enthusiasts
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[23:47] <SpeedEvil> I want a nice simple dendrochronology app.
[23:48] <SpeedEvil> That you can point at a tree section, and it will give you a likely date range
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[23:57] <In4rtia> Is RaspberryPi a stable server for personal use?
[23:59] <CharlesN> In4rtia define stable, what do you plan to do with it ?
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