#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2016-06-11

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[0:01] <ozzzy> Valduare, ummmm... because nobody cares enough?
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[0:02] <Valduare> google stated they are going to support pi 3
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[0:04] <k_j> when will the cm3 be out?
[0:04] <k_j> aren't they late?
[0:07] <mfa298> k_j: probably the same day the announce it's been released
[0:07] <mfa298> I think think there's been any timscale for CM3 or 3A been given other than after the Pi3 release.
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[0:08] <k_j> where is the timescale?
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[0:08] <mfa298> locked away in Pi towers probably
[0:09] <k_j> they said first quarter of the year
[0:09] <mfa298> I don't think there's any public details other than them saying they were looking at it when the Pi3 was released
[0:09] <beng1> are there settings I can change for the onboard bluetooth central role scan rates, or is it just a bit of a crap BT chip
[0:10] <mfa298> K_j that seems unlikely as I think the first mention of CM3 and 3A was when the Pi3 was released at the end of Feb (2/3s of the way into Q1)
[0:10] <k_j> ok,but some months ago they officially said it would be out within the first quarter
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[0:11] <k_j> at that time, they talked about the q1
[0:11] <k_j> for the cm3
[0:12] <mfa298> that would seem unlikely as they've not announced timescales in advance for anything else
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[0:16] <mfa298> and considering the load on the factories for the existing Pi models I doubt we'll see it for a few months (I think some existing models have a 2 month lead time on the manufacturer sites, so I'd expect the CM3 to be after that)
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[0:22] <mfa298> k_j: My guess is that the CM3 will start to appear end of August or start of September. But that's guesswork based on seeing what's said here and on the forums, and seeing the demand and waitign times on the zero and other models
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[0:22] <beng1> is the Pi2 B Model planned for continued production?
[0:22] <furkan> does anybody know of a cheap raspberry pi 3 case that has screw slots underneath, for wall mounting?
[0:23] <beng1> yep
[0:23] <beng1> 2 secs
[0:23] <ozzzy> not hard to put screw slots in
[0:23] <abnormal> http://www.board-db.org/product/109/
[0:23] <beng1> http://www.modmypi.com/raspberry-pi/cases/modmypi-single-colour/modmypi-modular-rpi-b-plus-case-black/?search=case
[0:23] <beng1> love these cases
[0:24] <beng1> protectable SD and port covers
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[0:25] <furkan> hmm i'm trying to see what the underside looks like
[0:25] <abnormal> I have some similar to that case, came from Canakit
[0:25] <furkan> this is what i have for my rpi2: https://www.buyapi.ca/product/raspberry-pi-model-b-enclosure/
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[0:25] <furkan> photo doesn't show the underside either
[0:25] <furkan> ah here we go https://www.buyapi.ca/product/modmypi-modular-rpi-b-case-black/
[0:25] <mfa298> beng1: they seem to be still doing some of the older models so I'd guess the Pi2 will be made for a while, although for more purposes I'd imagine people would get the Pi3 over the Pi2 (little difference in cost but faster+wifi)
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[0:26] <furkan> beng1: but i guess the LED status light pipes wouldn't be compatible with the rpi3
[0:26] <beng1> mfa298: ok thanks, just having issues with the pi3 bluetooth, so may need to switch over to pi2
[0:26] <beng1> furkan: yeah unfortunately not
[0:26] <beng1> furkan: im sure they must be having an updated one soon though
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[0:28] <mfa298> Berg: you may well be able to disable the bluetooth through devicetree
[0:29] <Berg> hu?
[0:29] <beng1> mfa298: ok doing some tests now
[0:29] <beng1> Berg: think that was aimed at me
[0:29] <Berg> i had a dog called bluetooth i shot it
[0:30] <Berg> yeah i saw that beng1
[0:30] <Berg> its fun
[0:30] <beng1> yeah shooting dogs is often underrated
[0:31] <mfa298> Berg: sorry, was aimed at beng1, you people and having multiple leters staring the same
[0:31] <beng1> i hear they're bringing it back for Rio though
[0:31] <Berg> yes its my own fault
[0:31] <beng1> definitely your fault
[0:31] <Berg> fancy using the alphabet to write names silly me
[0:32] <Berg> i should be just a symbol like prince had
[0:32] <mfa298> well your be<tab>, beng1 is be<tab><tab>
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[0:34] <beng1> ok so ive plugged in a btle dongle, time to disable the internal somehow
[0:35] <beng1> i see that hci1 is on UART not usb
[0:35] <beng1> maybe the UART baud rate is the problem
[0:35] <beng1> i think its pretty slow
[0:38] <beng1> hmm yeah that has instantly fixed my problem, i get 4x the bluetooth throughput now
[0:38] <beng1> damn that sucks balls
[0:40] <beng1> maybe i can increase the hci1 UART baud rate
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[0:54] <Melamo> anyone have any recommendations for keeping sensors connected to GPIO pins in a more robust fashion such as nice wire connectors? Soldering wires onto the pins seems like a bad idea...
[0:54] <beng1> female headers
[0:55] <ShorTie> i like old ide hdd cables
[0:55] <ShorTie> 40 conductor 1's
[0:55] <methuzla> Melamo, what are you currently using?
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[0:56] <mfa298> there are various proto boards you can use as well which plug on top of the Pi (like a HAT but you put your own things on them)
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[0:56] <Melamo> methuzla: just jumper wires to a breadboard where more wires are plugged in
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[0:57] <Melamo> I'm more concerned with what happens if I put this thing inside of some sort of enclosure, and then the wires get yanked
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[0:58] <ozzzy> can you say strain relief? sure you can
[0:58] <Melamo> having them be detachable would be a nice secondary feature
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[1:01] <methuzla> Melamo, various solutions, best kind of depends on application
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[1:02] <methuzla> you can make custom cables with crimp connectors
[1:02] <Melamo> methuzla: could you list a few I can research on the googles? I'm pretty clueless if you haven't guessed :)
[1:02] <methuzla> look to pololu.com for those (all required tool)
[1:02] <methuzla> and required tool
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[1:03] <mfa298> Melamo: this is the sort of setup I use http://imgur.com/cLlQPNZ (That's using a humble Pi board on a Pi1, but I think there are similar proto boards for the newer form factor)
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[1:04] <methuzla> you could use something like a pi cobbler (adafruit) if you wanted to make the bread board approach a little cleaner
[1:04] <FragMint> when trying to compile a DTS would it be easier to crosscompile off a desktop or just do it on the pi?
[1:05] <mfa298> crimping connectors onto cables is a good approach as well, costs a bit to get the tool (especially a good one) but gives good connections quickly
[1:06] <FragMint> also, does anyone know how many calories are in the pi zero?
[1:06] <methuzla> 3.14 per serving, of course
[1:06] <FragMint> correct!
[1:07] <methuzla> DTS = device tree source?
[1:07] <BurtyB> but if it's zero it should be calorie free
[1:07] <FragMint> correct!
[1:08] <methuzla> from what i've seen, just compile it on the pi
[1:08] <FragMint> thats what I was thinking
[1:08] <methuzla> it's more a text to binary file conversion
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[1:09] <Melamo> mfa298: that's kinda cool. I take it you solder the circuit onto the humble pi and just snap it on top of the pi itself?
[1:09] * BurtyB just does DTS stuff on a pi
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[1:09] <FragMint> haven't fiddled with the gpio on the pi due to always wanting a2d so I just use an arduino for half most of that stuff
[1:10] <methuzla> Melamo, it's basically just a proto hat, could option if you're ok with soldering
[1:10] <mfa298> Melamo: yes, that's what I do, for bigger runs I'd design a PCB but that takes more time and effort.
[1:11] <mfa298> Melamo: I'm not sure the Humble Pi is made any more and it was for the original Pi1 which is a different form factor but I think there are similar boards for the newer Pi (possibly from adafruit). Takes some soldering, but depending on what you're doing it's potentially a decent route
[1:13] <Melamo> it seems I really need to buy a good crimper
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[1:14] <FragMint> for what gauge wire?
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[1:15] <mfa298> If you're crimping connectors onto wires you need the right crimp tool for the connector type (and sometimes different based on wire gauge)
[1:15] * mfa298 has at least 5 varieties of crimp tool
[1:15] <FragMint> same
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[1:16] <martin290> hey everyone
[1:16] <Berg> hi
[1:17] <martin290> has anyone successfully created a web server with a java back-end?
[1:18] * mfa298 isn't sure you can put successfully and java in the same sentence :p
[1:19] <martin290> haha
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[1:19] <martin290> well, maybe i can get some help then
[1:19] <mfa298> although do you mean a java program that provides a web server, or something serving up the likes of jsp (like tomcat)
[1:20] <martin290> the ladder, mfa298
[1:20] <martin290> at least that's what i'm thinking
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[1:20] <martin290> let me tell you what i want to do, and maybe you can guide me in the right direction?
[1:21] <Melamo> would probably want to start crimping 24 AWG... had no idea you needed so many different crimp tools
[1:21] <mfa298> I'd have thought it's possible, although I don't know how performant it would be.
[1:21] <martin290> i want to build a startup based off of an open source language. i was thinking a strongly typed language would be best since it can catch errors at compile time, rather than runtime
[1:21] <martin290> but i'm open to other languages... i just don't want to choose the "wrong
[1:21] <mfa298> I've only deployed a tomcat app once many years ago and it wasn't a pleasant experience
[1:21] <martin290> "wrong" language and regret it later
[1:22] <martin290> mfa298: that helps :)
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[1:22] <Melamo> martin290: depending on the size of the codebase, Python and its dynamic typing might be a more approachable option
[1:22] <martin290> Melamo: well i think it's going to be small at first, but later, it could get pretty big
[1:22] <mfa298> python and ruby seem to be the popular choices these days for web applications (and lots of other things)
[1:23] <martin290> is python single threaded?
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[1:24] <Melamo> martin290: you can do threads in Python, but there is a GIL that only lets one thread run at any given time. It's an issue if your threads are trying to do something CPU intensive but less so if they are IO blocked
[1:24] <mfa298> i don't know much about python, but in ruby you can have threads but they're not as seperate as they might be in C or Java and ruby puts controls in place to keep things safe for you
[1:24] <Melamo> most python web servers just spin off multiple sub-processes though
[1:24] <martin290> got it, that makes sense
[1:24] <martin290> i'd assume both would be good with mysql, right?
[1:25] <mfa298> however for ruby (and I expect python) as a webapp you'll potentially have a number of processes that can handle incomming requests.
[1:25] <mfa298> I certainly know of some pretty big sites that use ruby (not on a Pi though)
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[1:25] <martin290> mfa298: can you give me some examples?
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[1:27] <martin290> youtube uses python so it has to me somewhat performant, right?
[1:27] <mfa298> martin290: if you've come across redmine, that's a ruby app
[1:28] <martin290> looking at redmine now
[1:28] <mfa298> and part of one of the big US supermarkets site is ruby based (not sure I can say who or what part though)
[1:29] <martin290> that's really good
[1:29] <martin290> cool*
[1:29] <martin290> is ruby scalable?
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[1:30] <mfa298> ruby (and I expect python) are scaleable in the same way you'de scale any big site, you have multiple servers and a load balancer
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[1:31] <martin290> awesome, i'll need to look into ruby then
[1:31] <Melamo> martin290: how much load are you expecting exactly?
[1:31] <martin290> Melamo: not much in the beginning
[1:31] <martin290> Melamo: i just want to be sure it'll be scalable in the sense of the code base
[1:31] <mfa298> I'm pretty sure python will have similar support, but I know a little more (although not much) about ruby.
[1:32] <martin290> i think that worrying about performance in the beginning stages is a bad idea (IMHO)
[1:32] <FragMint> this is going to sound kinda stupid but I jammed my pi in an nes controller and forgot what GPIOs I wired each button to... is there an easy way to figure it out without opening it again? (its a giant pain to get back together right)
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[1:32] <mfa298> with ruby you probably want to look at rails and passenger. someone else can probably suggest what to look at for python
[1:32] <martin290> mfa298: django maybe?
[1:33] <Melamo> both python and ruby will scale just fine. By the time you really hit a barrier with the language and runtime itself, you will have so much traffic that you should be pretty profitable by then... or bankrupt from hosting costs
[1:34] <mfa298> Melamo: in terms of crimp tools it's about what you're crimping, I've got a couple for coax connectors, a couple for network/phone connectors, one for some of the JST connectors etc.
[1:34] <martin290> Melamo: haaha
[1:34] <martin290> Melamo: that's a good point :)
[1:35] <methuzla> Melamo, these are what i was referring to: https://www.pololu.com/product/1930
[1:35] <Melamo> Instagram is another example of a python/django site. Reddit is also Python powered, though they are kind of a bad example given all their downtime
[1:36] <ali1234> eve online server is written in python
[1:37] <martin290> maybe i should build something in python and something in ruby and see which one i like better...
[1:37] <Melamo> sort of... last I heard they embedded stackless python into their server
[1:38] <mfa298> I never got on that well with python, scope based on indent was too different from everythign else I use. Plus I was forced into ruby more by one place I've worked.
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[1:39] <mfa298> however python seems to be the more popular choice amongst people I know / talk to.
[1:39] <Melamo> martin290: the biggest difference between ruby/rails and python/django is that django tends to be more explicit, where as rails tends to have more "magic". Ruby as a language tends to have more than 1 way of doing things where as Python tries to have 1 and only 1 way of doing things. They are both good languages though and both would server ya well
[1:39] <Melamo> biggest advantage of python over ruby in my mind is that there is a lot more stuff going on in the python ecosystem outside of web dev
[1:40] <martin290> Melamo: i like the one way of doing something.... i feel like that would remove ambiguity
[1:40] <martin290> Melamo: that's a really good point too!
[1:41] <artige> If you use Python for Raspi stuff you get the pleasure of using Twisted
[1:41] <artige> which is arguably the best networking framework around
[1:41] <mfa298> one of the drivers in ruby seems to be trying to make things readable, which i think is where the many ways to do something come from
[1:41] <artige> and even if you don't want to do networking with it, the concurrency features make using it worthwhile anyways
[1:41] <martin290> artige: i've never heard of Twisted before
[1:42] <artige> martin290, Twisted is the reason I started writing all of my intensive networking applications in Python
[1:42] <artige> i highly suggest looking into it
[1:42] <martin290> definitely, thanks!
[1:42] <artige> The people in the #twisted channel on this very network are also always happy to help too :)
[1:42] <martin290> that's awesome
[1:43] <martin290> some of the more "enterprise" languages aren't like that
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[1:44] <artige> Twisted is pretty hard to wrap your head around at first, just because of how alien it is compared to other networking stuff. But I promise it's worth the learning curve. I've gotten help even from the original twisted creator in that channel too :)
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[1:47] <Valduare> hi guys, i have berryboot on a pi and booting off iscsi, what would be hte process to convert that installation to local sd card install
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[2:40] <abnormal> Valduare: there is instructions on the pi site for that.
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[2:41] <[Saint]> Man, fiiiiiinally.
[2:42] <[Saint]> Got an XU4 deployment working with 4.7 mainline rc2.
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[2:44] <[Saint]> I can't for the life of me see the fantastical and apparently mystical and otherworldly benefits that were said to be bestowed upon me by compiling with iomem instead of contiguous allocation though.
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[2:45] <[Saint]> Now it's time to torture test and see if everything that I actually depend on functioning works.
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[2:46] <[Saint]> uboot, kernel, and (apparently) the very basics of an Ubuntu 16.10 base image and server stack apparently functions.
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[3:31] <Guest90037> my power light is flickering a lot
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[3:32] <evil_dan2wik_> I'm using 2 5.2volt 2 amp power supplies
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[3:33] <ShorTie> you most likely need i better micro-usb cable is my guess
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[3:34] <evil_dan2wik_> Input voltage is at 5.07 volts at the gpio pins
[3:34] <ShorTie> too much voltage drop across the 1 your using
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[3:35] <evil_dan2wik_> ShorTie: I am putting power into the pi through micro usb and the gpio pins
[3:35] <ShorTie> Y
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[3:38] <[Saint]> evil_dan2wik_: ...why?
[3:38] <[Saint]> all that achieves is needlessly bypassing overvoltage protection.
[3:38] <evil_dan2wik_> I was powering it just by micro usb but the power light was flickering so I added the gpio supply
[3:39] <evil_dan2wik_> and it is still flickering
[3:39] <[Saint]> I am not surprised.
[3:39] <[Saint]> It doesn't really change anything except making the power rail marginally less safe.
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[3:40] <evil_dan2wik_> well I don't know why it is flickering
[3:40] <evil_dan2wik_> It is flickering at about 4 flashes per second
[3:41] <[Saint]> you're certain you're not screwing up the PWR and ACT LEDs?
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[3:41] <evil_dan2wik_> act is green and labelled act
[3:41] <evil_dan2wik_> pwr is red and labelled pwr
[3:42] <[Saint]> I'm aware. But unless I ask I have no way of knowing you are.
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[3:46] <stoogenmeyer> I installed docker hypriot on a rpi3, then tried starting a golang:1.6 container but got some error.. are there only specific images that work on the pi?
[3:48] <evil_dan2wik_> There doesn't seem to be anything wrong with the pi, it is overclocking to where it was before and everything is operating fine.
[3:53] <[Saint]> stoogenmeyer: you sure you didn't just OOM yourself?
[3:54] <stoogenmeyer> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=oom ?
[3:54] <stoogenmeyer> i am definitely not out of mana
[3:54] <[Saint]> unless you want more speculation I guess you'd have to elaborate on what 'some error' was.
[3:55] <[Saint]> Out Of Memory
[3:55] <stoogenmeyer> yep, let me pull the image again. 1s
[3:55] <[Saint]> as in, stack just goes "Ha! Nope!" and kills the allocating heap.
[3:58] <stoogenmeyer> poor heap
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[4:00] <evil_dan2wik_> I can't open the web browser
[4:00] <evil_dan2wik_> running it from terminal ends with "Killed."
[4:01] <[Saint]> Alas, poor heap! I knew him, stoogenmeyer, a fellow of infinite jest, of most excellent fancy. He hath bore me on his back a thousand times, and now how abhorr'd in my imagination it is!
[4:01] <[Saint]> My gorge rises at it.
[4:02] <[Saint]> Shakespeare 2.1r2, Kernelstacks Edition.
[4:03] <stoogenmeyer> I am ashamed to say that your beautiful prose is wasted on a second-language english speaker
[4:04] <evil_dan2wik_> I actually don't know why is keeps saying "Killed"
[4:04] <stoogenmeyer> I don't know why, but I thought this was an architecture thing.. here's what I'm getting docker: Error response from daemon: Cannot start container ba43ae2c9b3f9f225f2f425174de580cf9d4a767560e312e5461f33dbdc95c31: [9] System error: exec format error.
[4:04] <stoogenmeyer> just trying to start a shell docker run --rm -it golang:1.6 bash
[4:04] * binaryhermit guesses it's the OOM killer that's causing evil_dan2wik_'s problem
[4:05] <evil_dan2wik_> oh really?
[4:05] <evil_dan2wik_> let me check
[4:05] <binaryhermit> but that's just a guess
[4:05] <evil_dan2wik_> I do believe that is it
[4:06] <evil_dan2wik_> but I can't tell why I am using 80% memory without anything open
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[4:07] <evil_dan2wik_> could it be something to do with the flickering light or are they seperate systems?
[4:07] <[Saint]> you're almost certainly not.
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[4:07] <[Saint]> you're probably misinterpreting free and free/cache
[4:07] <stoogenmeyer> evil_dan2wik_: yea looks like your out of mana too
[4:07] <[Saint]> pay zero attention to the 'free' line.
[4:08] <[Saint]> the interersting bit is the free +/- caches line.
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[4:08] <[Saint]> that's the /actual/ usable RAM.
[4:08] <evil_dan2wik_> im using the top command btw
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[4:09] <evil_dan2wik_> used 428### free 16###
[4:09] <[Saint]> yes, pay that no mind.
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[4:09] <[Saint]> see 'free -h' and pay attention to the +/- caches entry.
[4:09] <evil_dan2wik_> ok
[4:10] <[Saint]> caches are always classed as available memory, because they're caches, they're freeable.
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[4:11] <evil_dan2wik_> buffers/cache used: 320 free: 114
[4:11] <[Saint]> there we go.
[4:11] <evil_dan2wik_> so then what is 'Killed'
[4:11] <[Saint]> substantially more than 20% free.
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[4:18] <evil_dan2wik_> Im getting "malloc failed: Out of memory" on this program
[4:18] <ali1234> check dmesg, sounds like the oomkiller
[4:19] <ali1234> check top to see what is using all your memory
[4:19] <ali1234> press < and > to change the sort column to RES
[4:23] <evil_dan2wik_> there are a lot of bioset things and 1 of them is using 300M+ when I run something
[4:23] <ali1234> bioset?
[4:23] <evil_dan2wik_> in top
[4:23] <evil_dan2wik_> that is the process name
[4:23] <evil_dan2wik_> there are about 13 of them that I can see
[4:27] <ali1234> as far as i can see it shouldn't be using memory, but it might be the disk cache
[4:27] <ali1234> it's a a kernel process related to block i/o
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[4:27] <evil_dan2wik_> Ok
[4:28] <evil_dan2wik_> I'm in the middle of restarting.
[4:28] <evil_dan2wik_> I might re-install raspbian
[4:29] <evil_dan2wik_> Im pretty sure there is corruption from earlier when I paniced and turned it off
[4:29] <ali1234> quite possibly
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[4:31] <[Saint]> FWIW, as I alluded to earlier, 'top' doesn't really give you much of an accurate sense of what is going on when one is using it to reference used memory in order to determine available.
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[4:31] <[Saint]> something something, yadda yadda, caches.
[4:31] <ali1234> resident memory does
[4:31] <[Saint]> I mean, it isn't useless, but it can be wildly misleading.
[4:31] <ali1234> the virtual column tends to include stuff like mmap so it can be absolutely huge
[4:32] * [Saint] nods
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[4:32] <evil_dan2wik_> Does the pwr LED come straight from the voltage regulator?
[4:32] <evil_dan2wik_> or does it come from the processor?
[4:32] <ali1234> neither
[4:32] <[Saint]> ask google about 'raspberrypi schematics'.
[4:32] <[Saint]> it knows.
[4:32] <evil_dan2wik_> ok
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[4:34] <[Saint]> What an awesome name.
[4:34] <evil_dan2wik_> so a seperate 3 pin voltage monitor.
[4:35] * [Saint] chooses to believe by name alone that romerocesar is quite possibly the most ruggedly handsome man on the Earth, and quite possibly has one or more daytime television drama shows.
[4:36] <[Saint]> Man...that just rolls off the tongue, doesn't it? romerocesar....*air of mystery*
[4:37] <evil_dan2wik_> That might explain the flickering
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[4:37] <evil_dan2wik_> There is a crack in the 3 pin package for the monitor
[4:37] <[Saint]> hmmmmm, interesting.
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[4:38] <[Saint]> one would expect it to fail outright in that case.
[4:38] <[Saint]> perhaps she's hangin' on by a thread.
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[4:39] <evil_dan2wik_> so that should be completely un related to the memory issue then.
[4:39] <[Saint]> absolutely.
[4:39] <evil_dan2wik_> but raspbian is re-installing right now so I shall see soon enough
[4:40] <evil_dan2wik_> 41 cents for a replacement monitor
[4:41] <evil_dan2wik_> I might get one
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[4:47] <stoogenmeyer> is it possible to install and start a vncserver over ssh?
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[4:48] <[Saint]> Yes. Of course.
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[5:04] <evil_dan2wik_> Working fine after a re-install
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[6:15] <ozzzy> well... now I can monitor the important things on the pi without logging in
[6:15] <ozzzy> so it must be time for bed
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[6:19] <[Saint]> ozzzy: how so? local webserver? other?
[6:19] <[Saint]> </curious>
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[6:20] <jamesd> ozzzy: forward syslogs to another box, monitor... log events to syslog, install statsd, collectd and monitor using graphite, grafana
[6:20] <ozzzy> webserver
[6:20] <ozzzy> http://ozzzy.dyndns.org
[6:21] <jamesd> okay i miss read... i see what you meant now
[6:23] <[Saint]> hahahaha, awesome.
[6:23] <[Saint]> now you have a webserver to tell you that your pi is doing absolutely nothing! :)
[6:24] <ozzzy> exactly
[6:24] <ozzzy> but.. it IS doing something
[6:24] <ozzzy> it is providing a secure gateway to the NAS units
[6:24] <[Saint]> I was just going to say. I imagine most of the resources used are for said webserver.
[6:24] <ozzzy> and that's all it has to do
[6:25] <ozzzy> I could just use Seagate's 'portal' but I don't trust those buggers LOL
[6:25] <[Saint]> Is the local network not fast enough for that to be absolutely crippling?
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[6:26] <[Saint]> adding a 10/100 network hop to my NAS would cripple me.
[6:26] <ozzzy> I don't need it for the LAN... I need it for 'outside'
[6:26] <[Saint]> Ah.
[6:26] <jamesd> isn't a pi a little under powered doing anything for a NAS, since its ethernet goes over the usb 2.0 port.
[6:26] <[Saint]> Yes.
[6:26] <[Saint]> absoluely.
[6:26] <[Saint]> errr...spelling.
[6:27] <ozzzy> jamesd, the connection is only 1.5Mb/s out
[6:27] <ozzzy> if nothing else is using it
[6:27] <jamesd> okay... i guess it will handle it.
[6:27] <ozzzy> gigabit inside the LAN
[6:27] <ozzzy> outside not so fast LOL
[6:27] <[Saint]> I imagine the nick ozzzy relates to a locality, in which case, he's never going to see that make a problem.
[6:28] <ozzzy> nope... relates to a poem by Shelley
[6:28] <jamesd> yeah... it sucks that uplink sucks so badly in the U.S.... i have 30mbit down but up is limited to 5, even i upgrade to 100mbit down up is still only 5.
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[6:28] <[Saint]> Oh. I see. My mistake.
[6:28] <ozzzy> I can get 150/150... but I don't need it bad enough
[6:28] <[Saint]> Though the upspeed is definitely on par with what I expect from any given AU domestic connection.
[6:29] <[Saint]> I thought ozzzy == Australian.
[6:29] <ozzzy> I hav 15/1.5
[6:29] <ozzzy> many make that mistake
[6:29] <[Saint]> In which case a pi in your network would be no issue at all.
[6:29] <ozzzy> no
[6:29] <[Saint]> AU's domestic internet is a joke.
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[6:29] <ozzzy> like I said... I can have fibre to the basement
[6:29] <jamesd> it used to be a lot worse... every home link had like a 2GB/month cap...
[6:29] <ozzzy> but I don't need it that badly
[6:30] <[Saint]> I have two gigabit fiber lines here in NZ, and across the ditch, they can't even cobble together VDSL2.
[6:30] <[Saint]> ~15 years ago, I used to be jealous of AU's infrastructure.
[6:30] <[Saint]> How the mighty have fallen.
[6:31] <jamesd> i would love to be able to backup to the cloud... but at 4mbit second 250GB takes about a week.
[6:31] <ozzzy> you're like AU's Newfoundland.... '1/2 an hour later on an island in the sea'
[6:31] <oq> jamesd: so the nsa can grab a copy?
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[6:31] <[Saint]> hurr durr.
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[6:31] <jamesd> oq: just pictures and stuff.. nothing even worth stealing to anyone buy me and my family.
[6:31] <ozzzy> oq, I make it easy for them.... I cc every email I write to 'info@nsa.gov'
[6:32] <oq> ozzzy: sounds like patriotic thinking to me
[6:32] <[Saint]> jamesd: eh...depends on concepts of worth.
[6:32] <ozzzy> yeah... being Canadian it must drive them nutz
[6:32] * ozzzy used to work for the buggers
[6:33] <[Saint]> you'd be amazed how much the average camera roll can tell anyone about.
[6:33] <[Saint]> at the very least you'll get metadata on where you've travelled to.
[6:33] <[Saint]> and when.
[6:33] <oq> jokes on you my camera doesn't have gps
[6:33] <[Saint]> jokes on you, it doesn't need it.
[6:33] <jamesd> travel? i go to chicago a few times a year i live in milwaukee... no time to do more than that ... too busy tending to the cloud.
[6:34] <oq> course it does
[6:34] <jamesd> oh and i went to california for christmas.
[6:34] <[Saint]> No, no it does not.
[6:34] <ozzzy> nope... you'd be amazed at the state of the art in pattern matching
[6:34] <[Saint]> You really think you need GPS to get a location?
[6:34] <[Saint]> lol
[6:34] <oq> [Saint]: no gps, no mobile network
[6:34] <oq> [Saint]: duh? It's a friggin' dslr
[6:34] <oq> it doesn't store shit about my location
[6:35] <ozzzy> "hey... that tree is in Schomberg. Didn't we see a shepherd pissing on it last week?'
[6:35] <[Saint]> If it is wireless enabled it logs the current AP, which is usually more than enough for a ~60m location.
[6:35] <oq> haha, wireless enabled, yeah right
[6:35] <oq> try again
[6:36] <ozzzy> one of my good friends is a PI... you'd be surprised what he can get out of Flickr/Facebook/Google+/Twitter
[6:36] <oq> and its not logging wireless access points in exif metadara
[6:36] <oq> *metadata
[6:36] <ozzzy> my DSLR just takes pictures
[6:36] <oq> ozzzy: ditto
[6:36] * jamesd notes he has raspberry pi approved, quad ply alluminum foil for 1/2 off this week, just $12 USD per square foot, guaranteed to protect your most secret thoughts from the NSA satelites if fashioned into foil caps.
[6:37] <[Saint]> ozzzy: well, I wouldn't, but I imagine many would be.
[6:37] <oq> ozzzy: I haven't the foggiest what [Saint] is trying to prove
[6:37] <[Saint]> Nothing, you're just being a cock.
[6:37] <ozzzy> oq, post your pics and you're nicked me beauty
[6:37] <[Saint]> Business as usual, basically.
[6:38] <ozzzy> well.. I'm going to have a piss and go to bed (in that order)
[6:38] <ozzzy> ttfn all
[6:38] <oq> [Saint]: Mind your language mate. Do you forget where you are?
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[6:38] <[Saint]> No, I just don't care.
[6:38] <[Saint]> Very different.
[6:39] <oq> wow you're so cool
[6:40] <[Saint]> What is it that you get out of being needlessly abrasive hun? Attantion lacking at home? Need a hug? Wanna talk about it?
[6:41] <oq> [Saint]: Now this is rich, coming from you? Oh lord
[6:42] <oq> lol
[6:42] <[Saint]> As rich as 'mind your langauge' coming from yourself, maybe?
[6:42] <[Saint]> When less than 10 mins earlier you were just as guilty?
[6:42] <[Saint]> Oh dear.
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[6:43] <oq> [Saint]: Look, just apologise to the kids upset by your foul language and we can let this go.
[6:45] <[Saint]> You'll get it right after you put on some cinderblocks as shoes and take a leisurely stroll into the Atlantic.
[6:46] <oq> And he says I'm the abrasive one ;)
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[6:56] <Goldschlager> hello all
[6:57] <jamesd> hi
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[6:57] <Goldschlager> How goes it
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[6:59] <jamesd> finished up a lovely 14 hour day at work, thinking of crashing soon so i can enjoy my weekend.
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[7:04] <Goldschlager> ick
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[7:05] <jamesd> thankfully i'm OT elgible so it will make my paycheck look better, but what can you do when application guys take 3 hours to verify there app is up, and i get to surf the web while waiting.
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[7:06] <[Saint]> I haven't seen Ms. [Saint] for most of the week it feels like.
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[7:07] <[Saint]> She's done near 70 hours this week.
[7:07] <[Saint]> 30 of those are overtime, and includes a full day of overtime rates on a public holiday at time-and-a-half with a lieu day.
[7:07] <Goldschlager> i did 48 and that was plenty
[7:08] <jamesd> i have done it... only 50 hours this week on the book, if the application team would of tested there new packages properly i would be picking up another 16 hours of OT next week as we patched there 700 boxes.
[7:08] <jamesd> but that got canceled.
[7:09] <[Saint]> wow - no automated unit/regression testing?
[7:09] <[Saint]> small shop?
[7:09] <jamesd> big shop... with too many moving parts and app team didn't get the memo we sent them a dozen times.
[7:10] <[Saint]> ah. right, yeah, I know that pain.
[7:10] <Goldschlager> anyone any good at getting a pitft to display?
[7:10] <jamesd> govt audit requires us to patch monthly and they failed to rellize that monthly means every month and we need them to test there crap with new packages that got updated last week.
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[7:12] <jamesd> but this is only the first month we are doing this, we moved heaven and earth to get all there systems up to last month standards and cleared out way to many security issues in the last 6 months.
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[7:20] <Goldschlager> jamesd, dang oh dang
[7:21] <jamesd> if you are salary and someone mentions fedramp or fisma, run, run and don't stop... you will lose big time.
[7:22] <Goldschlager> Dunno if anyone can help: When i run dmesg - I get ft6x06_read_touchdata read touchdata failed.
[7:22] <Goldschlager> and obviously my touchscreen doesn't touch very well
[7:23] <jamesd> its really saying "will you stop touching me"
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[7:26] <Goldschlager> yes… but when it says "stop", I say "no", and no means no, so it better learn to respect that
[7:28] <Chillum> just got a pi zero for $13 after shipping from pimoroni... so far this is the cheapest "$5 computer" I have been able to get
[7:29] <Goldschlager> Chillum ,Have you checked out geek.com?
[7:29] <Goldschlager> lots of cheap pi stuff
[7:30] <Chillum> will check it out
[7:35] <[Saint]> #TouchscreenRightsMatter
[7:36] <jamesd> okay.. i'm off to bed, catch you guys later
[7:36] <Goldschlager> later
[7:36] <[Saint]> toodles!
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[7:41] <Goldschlager> Is there a program for an iphone to terminal into a RPi?
[7:42] <Xark> Goldschlager: I would think there is an ssh client, if that is what you mean (via WiFi etc.)
[7:43] <Goldschlager> Xark: yes
[7:43] <Goldschlager> I know there is for andriod devices
[7:43] <Xark> There are a ton for Android and I would be surprised if that wasn't true on iPhone.
[7:44] <Xark> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/iterminal-ssh-telnet-client/id581455211?mt=8 ?
[7:44] <Goldschlager> well no shit, thanks. lol
[7:44] <Xark> (to pick a random one...YMMV)
[7:45] <Xark> My pleasure. :)
[7:45] <Goldschlager> Another question, if a corner of my piTFT fell off, would that explain why the touch part isn't working
[7:46] <Xark> Hmm, sounds pretty believable to me.
[7:46] <Goldschlager> Yeah, i'm just in denial
[7:46] <Xark> Sorry man, that is a bummer.
[7:46] <[Saint]> How is Egypt this time of year, Goldschlager?
[7:47] <Goldschlager> Just got it yesterday, i pulled the plastic screen protector off of it and a small corner fell off of it
[7:47] <Goldschlager> Saint: never been to Egypt, bud
[7:47] <[Saint]> But you're in de' Nile!
[7:47] <Goldschlager> ha……ha………..ha
[7:48] <Goldschlager> clever
[7:51] <[Saint]> I am a veritable wealth of Dad Jokes.
[7:52] <Goldschlager> :P
[7:54] <Goldschlager> soooo bumbed about the tft
[7:54] <up2late> is there a dos command to see what ip my pie has?
[7:54] <up2late> i forgot its ip address and i dont wanna hunt down a usb keyboard
[7:54] <[Saint]> DOS?!?
[7:54] <[Saint]> Did we go back in time?
[7:54] <up2late> trying to ssh into it
[7:55] <up2late> windows
[7:55] <up2late> whatever
[7:55] <Japa> [Saint], maybe he's in Uganda or Sudan?
[7:56] <up2late> thanks for the help lol
[7:56] <oq> does anyone make gpio headers that fold over 180 degrees like those right angle ones except folding over again so a heat for your pi would sit flat side by side (except upside down obviously)?
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[7:56] <[Saint]> up2late: 'net view' will display clients that broadcast within your domain
[7:56] <oq> s/heat/hat
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[7:57] <up2late> ty [Saint]
[7:57] <[Saint]> up2late: you could just login to the router and see the associations there, presumably.
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[7:57] <[Saint]> or, depending on the size of your network you could almost certainly just make an educated guess.
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[7:58] <up2late> large network many devices
[7:58] <up2late> i thought i t was .119 but it dint
[7:58] <[Saint]> y'all need some DHCP reservation tables, yo.
[7:58] <up2late> thought netstat would work too
[7:59] <[Saint]> I don't touch client side static addressing at all these days. Havne't (thankfully) in years in my own network. Just other people's annoying networks.
[7:59] <[Saint]> Anything that needs a static address is dealt it via DHCP reservation tabling.
[8:00] <Goldschlager> I give static's
[8:00] <[Saint]> I basically see it that DHCP reservation has all of the benefits and none of the downsides of client negotiated static addressing.
[8:00] <Goldschlager> but only on select devices that I commonly connect to
[8:01] <[Saint]> Like, for example, if I were to pick up any of my devices from my network and use them on any other, there's zero risk of a collission, and no setup.
[8:01] <Goldschlager> agreed…
[8:01] <[Saint]> and if or when it comes back to the home network, the 'static' address magically works again.
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[8:04] <extrememist> ello aLL
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[8:07] <NicoHood> how can i check on which raspi my bash runs? I want to differenciate between pi zero, 1,2, 3
[8:08] <Japa> sharpie the IP address onto each of them
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[8:09] <[Saint]> ssh config and named screen sessions?
[8:09] <[Saint]> having unique user or hostnames is the obvious fix.
[8:10] <[Saint]> you're not dealing with four 'pi@raspberry"s are you? lol
[8:11] <[Saint]> (if you are, and you're touching the public web with these...PLEASE don't.)
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[8:13] <[Saint]> I realize that the pi needs to ship with a known user/hostname/password for ease of use in a headless environment/setup, but I would really like to see user creation enforced at boot and the pi user either locked or deleted immediately after a local admin user is created.
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[8:14] <[Saint]> At this stage all the default username and passphrase combinations for all the common raspberrypi distros have been in brute force tables for years.
[8:14] <[Saint]> And this is a platform that pretty much actively encourages novice users to put what is probably going to be a badly secured device onto the web and just pray that it isn't public facing.
[8:15] <[Saint]> Bad News (TM).
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[8:39] <shauno> NicoHood: grep Revision /proc/cpuinfo - you'll get a different result on different models
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[8:58] <[Saint]> setting distinct user and/or hostnames would be infinitely more practical, IMO.
[8:59] <[Saint]> ala nicohood@pi_zero, nicohood@pi_1, *@pi_2, etc.
[9:00] <[Saint]> no guesswork and it just works across the board with no ambiguity.
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[11:09] <Apicalis> Woop woop my pine 64 arrived
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[11:54] <Raspbian> yo guys
[11:54] <Raspbian> did anyone try Odroid C2?
[11:58] <Raspbian> I mean other than the hardware, what is the software differences?
[11:58] <Raspbian> are*
[11:58] <SpeedEvil> It's linux.
[11:59] <SpeedEvil> It's actually 64 bit.
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[12:01] <Raspbian> yeah, that i know
[12:01] <Raspbian> but is there any difference other than that?
[12:02] <Raspbian> cause you can actually install linux on RPi
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[12:07] <Raspbian> I'll clarify myself
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[12:08] <Raspbian> If I buy Odroid C2 will there be any difference of running already created modules and apps?
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[12:08] <Raspbian> I'm new to this with basic programming knowledge
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[12:13] <mfa298> Raspbian: probably differing levels of support and how well integrated some of the hardware is with the linux kernel
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[12:13] <Raspbian> so what do you think? i can get Odroid C2 and RPi 3 for the same price
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[12:14] <mfa298> I think the Raspberry Pi team are trying to get the drivers for the Pi more integrated into the linux kernel, other groups may not (meaning you'll be limited to what kernels they support)
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[12:22] <mfa298> Raspbian: if you're looking at using things (hardware in particular) designed for the Pi then the Pi3 will probably give you an easier time, things may well work on the Odroid as well but you may well need to put some effort in and there may be more limited support. The Odroid C2 looks to be a better platform on paper, but the expense is you potentially have to do more yourself
[12:22] <Raspbian> I most likely will only use it with software
[12:22] <Raspbian> I won't plug in any hardware to it
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[12:23] <rymate1234> I'd go for the Pi3, there's a larger amount of OSes available for it iirc
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[12:23] <rymate1234> you can even get a limited version of windows on it
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[13:37] <computer2000> hey there, anyone can help me with this? i want to have a raspberry pi connected to a monitor to show a webgl render from website (using chromium browser i suppose) but don't have physical access to that pi as it's gonna be in an exhibition situation - so i'd like to run it headless and control it via ssh - is it possible to also control the gui/x with ssh respectively open/close the browser, goto an address, make fullscree
[13:37] <computer2000> n, etc. ??
[13:38] <H__> sure, why not use something like vnc ?
[13:40] <computer2000> H__: I'd preferably only have a terminal open on my controlling machine, not an entire GUI ... so I enter commands by hand, like "open browser with address blah and go fullscreen" instead of using X
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[13:42] <H__> something like this then ? firefox -new-tab $url
[13:42] <BurtyB> you'd still want X but maybe not the window manager
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[13:53] <computer2000> H__: that sounds good, does that command actually work?
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[14:01] <computer2000> So I've started a X client on the remote Pi via SSH ... how do I open the browser?
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[14:03] <RoBo_V> if i have ip camera, can i direct it to Raspberry pi server for storage, motiong and other alerts ?
[14:03] <RoBo_V> if yes how
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[14:05] <BurtyB> computer2000, "firefox --display=0:0" (or whatever your display is) tho it looks like firefox doesn't have a "geometry" option which is a bit lame
[14:05] <computer2000> BurtyB: any chance of using Chromium?
[14:06] <BurtyB> computer2000, I'd imagine so but I have no idea what options it takes
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[14:46] <computer2000> BurtyB: when I run chromium from within SSH session I get Gtk: cannot open display:
[14:46] <computer2000> I think I need to pass a --display parameter, but which one?
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[14:48] <mfa298> computer2000: --display=0:0 should be common on all X apps, if not try -display=0.0 (I thought it only used a single dash)
[14:49] <mfa298> you can also use 'export DISPLAY=0.0' in your shell
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[14:58] <computer2000> mfa298: thanks
[14:59] <computer2000> mfa298: now I have some permission issue ... I'm basically trying to open up a chromium browser window on a Pi with X open, via SSH remotely
[15:00] <computer2000> mfa298: so I make "sudo startx" on my controlling machine ssh'd into the Pi which opens up the X GUI on the Pi - then I try opening up chromium but I get permission error
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[15:19] <computer2000> What's the most recommended way to remotely control a Pi using a graphical interface via SSH?
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[15:21] <yene> vnc with port tunnel over SSH
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[15:21] <yene> well its the laziest, which means it is the bestest
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[15:26] <computer2000> yene: what's port tunnel`
[15:26] <oq> computer2000: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunneling_protocol#Secure_Shell_tunneling
[15:27] <yene> oh come on i gave you such an easy copy paste to google text
[15:27] <oq> it's like a vpn except it's just to any server with ssh
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[15:28] <computer2000> yene yeah I'm on it
[15:28] <oq> any decent pi zero 1.3 cases around yet other than the pimoroni one?
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[15:31] <Valduare> check c4labs.net if they have one yet
[15:31] <Valduare> they make the best
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[15:32] <oq> I dunno why pimoroni makes theirs so darn fat, there is perfectly good mounting holes on the zero but they decided to use their own around the pi
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[15:34] <TheCubeLord> how do you use youcompleteme?
[15:36] <TheCubeLord> wait neverminf
[15:36] <TheCubeLord> *never mind
[15:37] <Ascavasaion> TheCubeLord: I am flattered.
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[15:39] <tommy``> best mkv player on pi2?
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[15:41] <Ascavasaion> tommy``: I have no experience with it on Pi, but if VLC runs I would say it is a good bet. Not sure if it is too 'heavy' though.
[15:42] <oq> tommy``: not to beat a dead horse but mkv is only a container format
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[15:43] <tommy``> vlc requires 327mb with apt-get update :D
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[15:52] <computer2000> anyone - if I'd wanted to use VNC to remote control an open X session on a Pi, so as to "mirror" the content of that X server on my machine - how would I do that? I want to open a browser window remotely
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[15:53] <Zardoz> just use VNC?
[15:53] <Zardoz> i mean thats what it does.
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[15:56] <TheCubeLord> what is x server?
[15:57] <Zardoz> thnk he means x windows
[15:57] <computer2000> Zardoz: no it does not - it's like a second GUI
[15:57] <Zardoz> ok then I donmt know...
[15:57] <computer2000> Zardoz: the monitor that's connected to the Pi which I want to remote control stays the same
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[15:57] <mfa298> You can have VNC on X to show the same thing as the local screen
[15:57] <computer2000> I want to mirror that monitor via SSH on my remote machine
[15:58] <computer2000> mfa298: how do I do that?
[15:58] <mfa298> computer2000: google, there's lots of guides out there (I don't know off hand so I'd only be googling for you)
[15:59] <Zardoz> I just know that I use it, it's like using the same desktop on the remote system. but I dont know what you are doing so...
[16:00] <Zardoz> sup mfa298
[16:00] <computer2000> I just want to control the Pi's screen output from another, remote machine
[16:00] <computer2000> basically open a browser window and set it to full screen
[16:00] <mfa298> computer2000: VNC is almost certainly the best tool for that
[16:00] <computer2000> But I don't have phyisical access to that Pi so that's why I want to use SSH / VNC
[16:01] <Zardoz> I think the problem is your trying to use SSH, VNC should take care of that
[16:01] <giddles> vnc
[16:01] <giddles> hmhm
[16:01] <Zardoz> you just need to use VNC
[16:01] <mfa298> If you're on the same lan then you can VNC directly, if it's over the network you probably want to VNC over an SSH port forward (but get local VNC going first)
[16:01] <giddles> tinyvnc?
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[16:02] <giddles> vnc isnt so secure :/
[16:02] <Zardoz> giddles: nothing is
[16:02] <Zardoz> go hide
[16:02] <giddles> meh
[16:03] <computer2000> mfa298: same network
[16:03] <giddles> i should upload wireshark capture log to pastebin ;)
[16:03] <giddles> then we talk again
[16:03] <TheCubeLord> I just fell in love with vim
[16:03] <oq> nano > vim
[16:03] <Zardoz> that would prove nothing. other then what I aready know.
[16:03] * FragMint is an adherant to the church of emacs
[16:04] <giddles> imac? what next :) ios for rpi
[16:04] <giddles> :D
[16:04] <Zardoz> oq: do you sleep
[16:04] <Zardoz> ?
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[16:04] <oq> Zardoz: no
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[16:05] <Zardoz> oq: Thought so... :P
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[16:08] <TheCubeLord> nano was invented after vi which is what vim is based on
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[16:12] <TheCubeLord> guys lets settle this... lets just use gedit
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[16:13] <kjar> TheCubeLord: settle for that - like none of us can have nice things
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[16:14] <kjar> I don't understand editor battles, use what you like, and that's about it IMO
[16:14] <mfa298> nano was a redo of pico (due to licensing issues I think, same for email client pine -> alpine)
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[16:16] <gordonDrogon> I think alpine is from the same people that did pine.
[16:16] <gordonDrogon> yes. it' just an update. (it's what I use for my email)
[16:16] * giddles votes for nano ;)
[16:16] <gordonDrogon> but yes, nano is the 'free' version of pico.
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[16:17] <gordonDrogon> I write a nano-like editor into my BASIC interpreter.
[16:18] <gordonDrogon> I wrote the BASIC interpreter using vim :)
[16:19] <giddles> isnt that superboring?
[16:19] <gordonDrogon> what vim, or BASIC ?
[16:20] <giddles> i want a rpi controlled drone with blueray laser :P
[16:20] <giddles> both
[16:20] <giddles> ^^
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[16:20] <gordonDrogon> depends on what you want to do, I guess.
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[16:20] <giddles> hexchat drives me crazy on rightclick..
[16:21] <Zardoz> I just use nano, and dont need to use other editors that do things I don't need them to do. I am not coming down on them, but I don't need the "features" they offer for what I do.
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[16:21] <gordonDrogon> someone just found a bug in my basic interpreter - although it's not a bug as such, more a feature... but I'll fix it.
[16:21] <giddles> oh ze germans entering
[16:22] <giddles> i ever asked which ppl are so steepless to pay t-offline ;)
[16:22] <ThePendulum> Zardoz: I assume you don't write code in them? :p
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[16:22] <giddles> can someone code me a inhouse navigation? :D
[16:22] <Zardoz> you are correct, and that is why.
[16:22] <gordonDrogon> I count the number of times a variable is written to - more to detect using un-initialised variables, but his program wrapped the counter.... unsigned 32-bit int...
[16:22] <ThePendulum> I probably could
[16:23] <ThePendulum> You could probably buy a car with the money it'd cost though :P
[16:23] <giddles> meh money
[16:23] <giddles> money cant buy things which arent there
[16:23] <giddles> :)
[16:23] <Zardoz> but, from what I understand is that VIM is the coders dream.
[16:23] <giddles> seems i need a engeneer
[16:23] <giddles> an
[16:23] <ThePendulum> well, it can, that's my job, a lot of people's job :p
[16:23] <ThePendulum> I make things that aren't there
[16:23] <ThePendulum> and put there there
[16:23] <giddles> i need special
[16:23] <giddles> :D
[16:24] <giddles> i have 16 rpi's and a xu4 as server.. :)
[16:24] <ThePendulum> woah
[16:24] <giddles> how can i combine that to control a drone
[16:24] <ThePendulum> developing inhouse navigation is the kind of project I wish I was working on
[16:24] <ThePendulum> (and get paid for)
[16:24] <giddles> first i need a plan ;D
[16:25] <giddles> induction accus ... loading station.. code... drone... design of drone..
[16:25] <giddles> cam for the drone...
[16:25] <giddles> owow
[16:25] <giddles> sounds like a 7 yr project
[16:25] <giddles> to mine my whole appartment with rpi and cams i needed 2 years... so thats realistic
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[16:26] <oq> wot
[16:26] <abnormal> woot
[16:27] <Zardoz> woot
[16:27] <giddles> mount the pi's, hide the equip... munch cable and wire work :P
[16:27] <abnormal> hoot
[16:27] <Zardoz> toot
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[16:27] <giddles> ir lights, test, conf, setup :P year 2 yrs sounds good
[16:28] <giddles> BUT it works perfect
[16:28] <giddles> even on a low framerate
[16:28] <abnormal> nah, two days..
[16:28] <giddles> 2 days is a update :D
[16:28] <abnormal> I'd set it all up in two days
[16:28] <giddles> i have a own manual because too munch to keep in mund ^^
[16:29] <Zardoz> I have a mund
[16:29] <giddles> mind
[16:29] <giddles> logitech one battery keyboard..
[16:29] <abnormal> no, because it's all in the manual, not in your mind...
[16:29] <giddles> every stuff i must type 2 times
[16:29] <giddles> the manual is selfcreated ;)
[16:30] <abnormal> no, because it was created by a group of humans.
[16:30] <giddles> group?
[16:30] <abnormal> more than one human..
[16:30] <giddles> one man army ;)
[16:31] <abnormal> more than one person had to create the manual.
[16:31] <giddles> bit its to be honest 20times better than a abus camera system or a professional taping box
[16:31] <giddles> combined with motion which also is on freenode in #motion its a easy to relook suvelliance system
[16:32] <giddles> i saw a timeshift camera with functions like mine @ nightview on 840nm.. 200euro$ for 2 :)
[16:32] <JakeSays> hey any gentoo'ists around?
[16:33] <giddles> compared to 90 euro for a single pi si save 20 euro and musnt look every sd card again and again
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[16:34] <giddles> fire it to google, fire it to dropbox and fire it to the server :D thats how suvelliance is made in the years of 2xxx
[16:35] <giddles> :D
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[16:36] <giddles> with the power consumption of a light bulp :P
[16:36] <giddles> 20w
[16:36] <oq> I don't think light bulbs use that much anymore, what with leds and whatnot
[16:37] <giddles> the old ones
[16:37] <giddles> the so called "heat" bulps %))
[16:37] <abnormal> I still have Edison bulbs
[16:38] <giddles> i have a reservoir of 100w on this old socket
[16:38] <giddles> :)
[16:38] <giddles> damn eu forbid it a few yrs ago
[16:38] <oq> abnormal: edison is the mount
[16:38] <abnormal> oh well
[16:38] <oq> leds come in edison form too
[16:38] <giddles> in 20yrs i can open up a museum ;D
[16:38] <giddles> whats edison socket in euronorms?
[16:38] <abnormal> EU had to make everyone conserve energy
[16:39] <PhotoJim> I stocked up on incandescent bulbs too... there are applications where they are better despite the inefficiency
[16:39] <abnormal> same socket as today..
[16:39] <oq> in britain most houses use that dumb bayonet mount
[16:39] <giddles> ah its E27 here called
[16:40] <giddles> @ oldschool socket for oldschool heatbulps
[16:40] <oq> B22
[16:40] <giddles> e14 and e27 is common screw here
[16:41] <Zardoz> oq: is that the one with the 2 pins?
[16:41] <oq> Zardoz: yes
[16:41] <Zardoz> on the end
[16:41] <oq> the ones which are always loose
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[16:41] <Zardoz> oq: oh yeah...
[16:41] <giddles> http://lampen-kontor.de/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Fassungen.jpg
[16:41] <giddles> %)
[16:41] <oq> at least with edison you can screw it tight and it won't flop around
[16:42] <oq> giddles: lots of new builds tend to use gu10's
[16:42] <Zardoz> yeah that one kind of flops around in the wind. kind of scary if you ask me
[16:42] <giddles> ah i only use g4 ;)
[16:42] <giddles> nice 12v g4 socket
[16:42] <giddles> best for led's
[16:43] <oq> not 240v?
[16:43] <giddles> http://www.hellweg.de/out/pictures/generated/product/1/665_665_75/554602_led_pin_g4_12v_01.png <-- this ones
[16:43] <giddles> i cant destroy :D
[16:44] <giddles> it seems unbreakable
[16:44] <Zardoz> alright I am off, see you in about 10 hours...
[16:44] <giddles> n8
[16:44] <giddles> :)
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[16:44] <oq> Zardoz: were you thinking of pins like that ^ or https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/96/Bulb-bayonet-male.png?
[16:45] <curlyears> giddles: I don't like that style of lightbulb. They ruin the "how many *** does it take to screw ina lightbulb?" jokes
[16:45] <Zardoz> oh I have seen them, but the one I was talking about on the ones on the end...
[16:45] <giddles> it isnt so easy to plugin curlyears
[16:45] <giddles> :)
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[16:46] <giddles> very unstable
[16:46] <Zardoz> anyways got to go :P
[16:46] <Zardoz> see ya
[16:46] <giddles> i run one in my garden 24/7 on 12v
[16:46] <giddles> since 2 yrs :)
[16:47] <giddles> or 3
[16:47] <curlyears> giddles: it's a play on words. In American English the term "screw" can also refer to the heterosexual sex act.
[16:47] <giddles> ah ok
[16:47] <giddles> no idea sir
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[16:47] <giddles> im only advertising a nice heavyweight on led'S
[16:48] <curlyears> giddles: yes, I figured that out
[16:48] <giddles> its working in my garden, even on daylight %)... storm, ice, now heat
[16:48] <giddles> nothing can stop it
[16:48] <TheCubeLord> bye all!
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[16:57] <computer2000> Anyone knows about if WebGL is supported on Jessie?
[16:57] <computer2000> Pi 3
[16:57] <computer2000> Can't get it to work on Chromium
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[17:02] <giddles> ever seen real chromium?
[17:02] <giddles> :D
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[17:03] <giddles> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/62/Crocoite-360746.jpg
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[17:27] <yene> i need to say something stupid
[17:28] <jamesd> ok, mission acomplished, you just did
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[17:35] <computer2000> yene: fyi to mirror the active X session on a remote machine via vnc, x11vnc is the solution
[17:35] <computer2000> it hooks into the open gui instead of creating a new instance
[17:35] <yene> too complicated
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[17:37] <jamesd> nah our apps guys can do it, its not that difficult
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[18:08] <computer2000> Hey there - I'm running Chromium 50 on a Pi3 but I can't get WebGL to work - when I open chrome://flags the command line arguments always list "--disable-gpu" could it be because of this? How do I launch Chromium without that argument?
[18:08] <computer2000> This is what I get: http://i.imgur.com/87fKGGM.png
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[18:19] <oq> lol as if the pi has hardware accelerated anything
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[18:20] <SpeedEvil> It has hardware accellerated lots.
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[18:20] <SpeedEvil> If it's actually used by a given app is another question.
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[19:04] <JakeSays> wth.. trying to install ubuntu server in a fusion vm and i an error about gfxboot not working. i would think that for a server install there would be no graphics involved.
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[19:10] <majorshake> Does the pi3 have a 64-bit CPU?
[19:10] <JakeSays> yes
[19:10] <majorshake> I keep seeing things that say it does, but only ARM8 supports 64-bit.
[19:10] <majorshake> and the pi reports arm71
[19:10] <JakeSays> no, the OS reports arm7
[19:10] <JakeSays> because raspbian is still 32bit
[19:10] <majorshake> ah
[19:10] <JakeSays> but the cpu is aarch64
[19:10] <majorshake> well that was going to be my next question :)
[19:11] <raspbian> So is it possible to compile 64-bit Linux?
[19:11] <raspbian> Debian? Ubuntu?
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[19:12] <JakeSays> i'm sure it is if you have the time and talent
[19:12] <mfa298> you maybe able to compile it all, but I'm not sure there's a 64bit firmware yet which may limit some things
[19:12] <raspbian> I mean should it take the same effort as compiling 32-bit edition?
[19:12] <JakeSays> mfa298: ah good point
[19:13] <raspbian> And why is that ?
[19:13] <mfa298> also I was reading something earlier that suggested 64bit arm linux might have be a bit buggy (presumably as not many are using it yet)
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[19:13] <JakeSays> its working fine on my pine64 so far
[19:13] <giddles> tell majorshake the truth ;) its just a good 32 bit cpu :)
[19:14] <giddles> or works great with
[19:14] <giddles> i have lack of vocabulatory
[19:14] <JakeSays> huh?
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[19:15] <raspbian> The Pine64 seems nice
[19:15] <raspbian> how is it?
[19:15] <majorshake> I don't need 64-bit, I was just curious.
[19:16] <giddles> build it or enjoy a good cpu which is kinda bit too warm for my taste
[19:16] <jamesd> i can't get mine to work so far, haven't bothered RMA process they pine team is so over whelmed with it success it may take them a year just to ship all the pre-orders.
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[19:17] <JakeSays> jamesd: i've had good luck. what issues are you having?
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[19:17] <giddles> but thats bshit, im actual on temp=56.4'C
[19:17] <jamesd> JakeSays: i power if on, and i get nothing outputted form the hdmi port tried 3 different monitors no output.
[19:18] <JakeSays> jamesd: yeah my monitor won't work, but i used a serial cable and it worked great.
[19:18] <JakeSays> but i only use mine headless
[19:18] <JakeSays> used a serial cable to configure then ssh from then on
[19:18] <jamesd> hmm where is the serial port?
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[19:19] <JakeSays> on the pi2 header
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[19:19] <JakeSays> but you need a converter
[19:19] <giddles> ssh in ... config.txt.. and force hdmi output?
[19:19] <JakeSays> i bought a serial-> usb adapter
[19:19] <oq> that pine64 site says they're the world's first $15 single board computer? Surely that's not true is it?
[19:19] <JakeSays> giddles: this isn't a pi
[19:20] <giddles> ah sorry
[19:20] <JakeSays> oq: super computer
[19:20] <oq> I mean the pi0 is $0 and its a single board computer
[19:20] <jamesd> JakeSays: have a link to the converter you bought? i have a usb 2 serial device.
[19:20] <oq> *$5
[19:20] <jamesd> its a 64 bit $15 single board computer, that is why its first.
[19:21] <JakeSays> jamesd: https://www.adafruit.com/products/954
[19:22] <JakeSays> jamesd: also #pine64 on irc.pine64.xyz
[19:23] <jamesd> JakeSays: do you any where that describes the pins i need to use... just orded a clone of that on amazon, i will have it tomorow
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[19:24] <oq> jamesd: what os are you on?
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[19:25] <JakeSays> jamesd: ah no i was wrong - its the exp header, not the pi2
[19:26] <jamesd> on the pine64 i haven't even got an OS on it yet... wanted to at least get something out of it before i figured out the OS to use.
[19:26] <JakeSays> and i think i just got the pins from someone in the irc channel
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[19:26] <JakeSays> or maybe it was the forum. cant remember
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[19:27] <jamesd> okay i will google it
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[19:29] <JakeSays> jamesd: http://files.pine64.org/doc/Pine%20A64%20Schematic/Pine%20A64%20Pin%20Assignment%20160119.pdf - scroll to the last page
[19:30] <JakeSays> jamesd: must make sure you cross the tx/rx pins
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[19:30] <JakeSays> you only need tx/rx/gnd
[19:31] <jamesd> bt-tx bt-rx and gnd?
[19:31] <jamesd> bt-uart-tx and bt-uart-rx and gnd
[19:31] <JakeSays> bt?
[19:32] <jamesd> from that page that is what the pins are labled as on page 4
[19:32] <JakeSays> uart.tx -> exp.rx, uart.rx -> exp.tx
[19:32] <JakeSays> jamesd: lol sorry - page 3
[19:32] <JakeSays> so just pins 7,8,9 are needed
[19:33] <JakeSays> on the exp header
[19:33] <jamesd> okay thanks.
[19:33] <jamesd> 9600 8n1?
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[19:33] <JakeSays> 115200
[19:33] <JakeSays> left everything else default (using putty)
[19:33] <jamesd> okay... they want to live dangerously out of the box.
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[19:34] <JakeSays> well, this isn't the late 80's
[19:34] <jamesd> true... just so used to everything defaulting to 9600
[19:34] <FragMint> wait... it isn't?
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[19:36] <jamesd> JakeSays: how much ram does yours have?
[19:36] <jamesd> i got the 1GB version
[19:36] <JakeSays> 2gb
[19:37] <jamesd> which OS are you using?
[19:38] <JakeSays> debian
[19:39] <jamesd> cool i may go with debian two just want a painless install... been so busy at work i don't have enough time to play with all my toys i have aquired
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[19:57] <Rukus> i wish pi had 2gb
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[20:00] <stiv> 640K should be enough for anyone
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[20:01] <Rukus> shutup Bill Gates
[20:01] * stiv is having flashbacks from the number 9600
[20:01] <Rukus> thats a baudy number
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[20:04] <stiv> funny to compare the pi to a DOS era desktop. you've come a long way, baby!
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[20:08] <Chunkyz> hi
[20:08] <abnormal> hi
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[20:30] <Habbie> Rukus, fun fact, there have never been 9600 baud modems
[20:30] <Habbie> Rukus, 9600 bps was encoded at 2400 baud
[20:30] <Habbie> Rukus, on the telco line side, of course
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[20:32] <jamesd> i owned a 9600 baud modem
[20:32] <Rukus> well then
[20:33] <gordonDrogon> fastest I had was 1200/75.. them were the days ...
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[20:33] <jamesd> i downloaded my first distro slackware over 9600 baud.. i was too poor to aford a 56k modem back then.
[20:33] <gordonDrogon> although I'm not sure they were good days, looking back. I spent far too much on phone bills.
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[20:34] <gordonDrogon> oh. hm. forgot the 56K ones. yes, I had them too. mind goes a bit fuzzy after I made a house move then spent a few years abroad.
[20:34] <gordonDrogon> phone calls were expensive at the time.
[20:34] <jamesd> what took me a month back then would now take less than a minute on my current isp connection
[20:35] <jamesd> https://gist.githubusercontent.com/anonymous/aabf9790467f2fed36192dda0f3c519b/raw/394158b0e9a80bf0e9b59985424c5eea37e13181/gistfile1.txt
[20:35] <jamesd> https://gist.githubusercontent.com/anonymous/aabf9790467f2fed36192dda0f3c519b/raw/394158b0e9a80bf0e9b59985424c5eea37e13181/gistfile1.txt
[20:35] <jamesd> oops...
[20:35] <gordonDrogon> https://mobiforge.com/research-analysis/the-web-is-doom
[20:35] <gordonDrogon> that might depress you then...
[20:36] <Rukus> i grew up on a farm
[20:36] <Rukus> 56k baby
[20:36] <Rukus> iirc 51,333 was best handshake
[20:37] <gordonDrogon> I grew up a long time ago...
[20:38] <Rukus> we started with an atari, with whatever those connect at
[20:38] <Rukus> fractions of a baud? lol idunno
[20:38] <jamesd> not scary at all.. what is scary is that i used to be happy with desktop on a 70mhz sparc box, with 32MB of ram, and now i won't run a desktop on anything less than 8GB and 2ghz systems.
[20:38] <Rukus> 14.4 was my real beginning
[20:39] <gordonDrogon> my first linux box ran at 66Mhz and had 32MB RAM. the company "desktops" were sparcstations and x-terminals.. (and old Sun3's)
[20:39] <gordonDrogon> my first unix system had 128KW of core.
[20:40] <gordonDrogon> my first computer had 256 bytes.
[20:40] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/stuff/mk14.jpg
[20:40] <jamesd> i started with unix on deepthought.org .. it was a 32MB 386 offering free shell accounts, must of had a 100 users on at the same time,
[20:41] <gordonDrogon> you could do that with just terminals.
[20:41] <Rukus> my first computer, was our families. it was state of the art, 286, 16mhz, liked 16mb ram or some thing.... could display a whopping realistic 256 color picture. from a dedicated 1mb video card
[20:41] <jamesd> then i got a 386sx-25 and ran slackware on it. it had 4MB of ram and i crammed at AT memory expandsion board and got another 1.5MB.. those were the days.
[20:41] <gordonDrogon> expectations were less back then. that unix system I used had 6 terminals (glass TTYs)
[20:41] <Rukus> the hard drive was 40mb or something
[20:41] <jamesd> first pc was an apple ][+ clone
[20:41] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/lode.jpg
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[20:42] <gordonDrogon> Apple II was the first "proper" computer I used. Well, after the HP desktop box and the dialup 110 baud modem to the local data center.
[20:42] <gordonDrogon> there was one HP mini computer thing that was wheeled round schools where I lived...
[20:43] <gordonDrogon> 1977 or so, then in '78 there was the Apple ][ ...
[20:43] <gordonDrogon> the rest, as they say, is history ... :-)
[20:43] <abnormal> you can upgrade that apple ll to a pi ll
[20:43] <jamesd> i also had some experience with some cp/m systems... kaypro portable, and another one with like a 4" screen.. was lucky my mom was dating a guy that owned a computer store back then. he had every issue of byte published, i repeatedly read every one of them.
[20:44] <gordonDrogon> yay for cp/m ...
[20:44] <jamesd> and then mp/m
[20:44] <gordonDrogon> it was just a little bit behind the times though - by the time the apple's, pets, trs80's etc. were going it felt old...
[20:44] <abnormal> I still have CP/M disks
[20:45] <jamesd> i lost all that stuff decades ago... oldest i have is sparcstation 5 and sgi indy r5000, and a couple sun ultra 2...
[20:45] <gordonDrogon> there was a cp/m card for the apple ][ and one (or 2?) Z80 2nd processor cards for the BBC Micro.
[20:46] <jamesd> gordonDrogon: yeap had one, so i could run wordstar on cp/m
[20:46] <gordonDrogon> I had some old Sun kit - gave it away in the end - it just sucked far too much electrical power for the cpu power it had...
[20:46] <jamesd> i also got to play with a 68000 expansion card, with 128MB of ram... but mostly used it as 128MB ram disk on my apple ][
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[20:47] <gordonDrogon> I also have a //c which I boot up occasionally.
[20:47] <jamesd> yeah i powered off all my old sun gear... and moved everything else to esxi on a hp ml350 g6.
[20:48] <gordonDrogon> and now it's all just rubbish. nothing special, nothing stands out.
[20:48] <gordonDrogon> working out how to move some stuff I have hosted back in-house, as it were to save on the hosting fees as that's no-longer paying for itself anymore.
[20:48] <gordonDrogon> probably run it on a Pi or 2 too.
[20:48] <jamesd> its the cool amazing factor, that those boxes could do so much.. the SGI does 3d wire frame and plays mp3 and is only 200mhz...
[20:49] <jamesd> and is 20 years old.
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[20:49] <gordonDrogon> heh.. I was doing wire frame animation on the apple II in forth way back.. small screen though, so nothing too fancy.
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[20:50] <gordonDrogon> and today I saw some code that someone write which implements I2C ... on a Pi ... which bit-bangs the I2C pins... written in my RTB BASIC.
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[20:50] <jamesd> this was real time complex stuff... and even 3d animation to the sound from the mp3
[20:50] <FragMint> om nom nom... 68k
[20:50] <stiv> i still remember the day i realized a cheap nvidia card in a beige linux box was as powerful as my SGI Indigo2
[20:51] <stiv> although the sgi made a better space heater
[20:51] <gordonDrogon> :)
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[20:52] <jamesd> yeah... that, plus there decission that NT was the next great thing killed them.
[20:53] <FragMint> stiv, didn't the SGI have a nicer monitor though?
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[20:53] <stiv> funny how that happened. a new CEO from microsoft and blam! same thing at Nokia
[20:54] <stiv> FragMint, it did! a huge 17" Sony Trinitron (iirc)
[20:54] <gordonDrogon> ah, the trinitrons ...
[20:54] <FragMint> none of that peon shadow mask nonesense!
[20:54] <gordonDrogon> I have just replaced my old tube TV with a flatscreen. 36" flat tube. it needs 2 people to lift it.
[20:54] <FragMint> xbr960?
[20:55] <gordonDrogon> my old TV? I've no idea. Sony something ...
[20:55] <jamesd> another funny thing, they bought Cray, and then sold the plans for what became the sun E10k to sun for less than 20 million, sun made over a billion dollars selling the E10k
[20:56] <FragMint> was it 16:9 with HDMI?
[20:56] <gordonDrogon> the tube? nope. SCART sockets only.
[20:56] <FragMint> eww
[20:56] <gordonDrogon> it was widescreen - probably 16:9.
[20:57] <gordonDrogon> it's sitting outside in my alleyway, I could go & check, but can't be bothered.
[20:57] <gordonDrogon> no-ones decided to steal it - much to my annoyance. although someone did take the old pace sky box...
[20:57] * binaryhermit got the pocketchip he ordered like a year ago today
[20:58] <gordonDrogon> I keep meaming to fit a Pi3 to this new TV, but we really don't watch it that much.
[20:58] <jamesd> gordonDrogon: perhaps put a sign on it... $20 to who ever hauls this working tv out of here.
[20:58] <gordonDrogon> and the new TV has an ethernet socket, but I know that if I plug it in, it'll just steal my soul and give all my viewing data to someone...
[20:59] <gordonDrogon> jamesd, somehow, even in the poor town I live in, no-one would take it even for �0.00.
[20:59] <jamesd> gordonDrogon: it could have netflix, hulu and etc. on it... mine does
[20:59] <pwillard> samsung, god of TV
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[20:59] <gordonDrogon> it's a 4-year old panasonic vesa (I think) might be vera or something like that.
[21:00] <jamesd> yeah i like my samsung 4k 55" tv so far.. though netflix or my cable company is having issues the last couple days
[21:00] <gordonDrogon> we just don't watch enough TV.
[21:00] <jamesd> me either... got it for my wife and the occausional movie.
[21:01] <gordonDrogon> if I put a Pi on it, I could rip all my DVDs then watch them again.
[21:01] <gordonDrogon> not sure what to do about the videos I have. might be time to re-buy them in dvd/whatever.
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[21:02] <gordonDrogon> probably easier for me to just download them from somewhere...
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[21:08] <Drzacek> Hello
[21:09] <Drzacek> RPi has 40 pins right? Can I use IDE cable with it?
[21:10] <gordonDrogon> yes
[21:10] <gordonDrogon> as long as you don't connect it to an IDE drive :)
[21:11] <gordonDrogon> and make sure you don't get one of those funky 80-wire cables either. that may or may not work correctly...
[21:11] <Drzacek> gordonDrogon, those 80pin cable would make short-circuit I guess
[21:11] <Drzacek> I'm looking for IDE cable socket, but can't find such things
[21:12] <gordonDrogon> yes - or something like that. they alternated every other of the normal 40 wires with a ground wire to supposedly improve higher speed comms.
[21:12] <gordonDrogon> the keyword is IDC - insulation displacement connector. if you search for 40-pin IDC headers you might get closer.
[21:12] <gordonDrogon> or pcb sockets, etc.
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[21:13] <Drzacek> The cable has that funny shape so it is impossible to connect it wrong way. With normal 40 pin header for RPi it is possible to connect both ways
[21:13] <Drzacek> I would like to solder that ide socket for my pi0
[21:14] <Drzacek> gordonDrogon, GREAT! thats what I was looking for
[21:15] <Drzacek> But over 3$ on aliexpress? What's this made of? gold?
[21:15] <gordonDrogon> some cables have a blanking thing in one of the pins too - watch out for that.
[21:15] <H__> heh
[21:15] <gordonDrogon> even with the notch in the socket, it's still possible to plug them in the wrong way round - I've seen it happen )-:
[21:16] <gordonDrogon> Hmph. run out of iron. going to have to go and do some actual mining now...
[21:17] <Drzacek> gordonDrogon, well, you can think about various protections for your device, but the user skill to kill things can always overcome them
[21:17] <gordonDrogon> make something idiot proof and a better class of idiot will emerge ..
[21:17] <Drzacek> gordonDrogon, you're playing some mmorpg or do you live in mining colony? :D
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[21:18] <gordonDrogon> minecraft
[21:18] <JakeSays> yes - while we're busily making stuff idiot proof, the universe is busily making better idiots. the universe is winning.
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[21:20] <Drzacek> JakeSays, well, idiots can be mass-produced by unskilled work force
[21:20] <JakeSays> lol true
[21:21] <Drzacek> gordonDrogon, just finished my minecraft round for today. This thing is addicting as hell
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[21:23] <gordonDrogon> I'd mot played for ages then 1.9 came out and I started a new world..
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[21:24] <TheCubeLord> gordonDrogon, 1.10 is out
[21:25] <gordonDrogon> yea - I auto updated the other day. first I knew was the auto-jump was on..
[21:25] <Drzacek> What a shi*ty version numeration. I would assume 1.1x is earlier than 1.9x
[21:25] <TheCubeLord> its 1.10x
[21:25] <Reedy> It's common
[21:25] <Drzacek> gordonDrogon, yeah, had to turn that off, really annoying when you build walls
[21:26] <TheCubeLord> anyways the pi version is deed
[21:26] <TheCubeLord> *ded
[21:26] <TheCubeLord> pnly a python import to mess around with
[21:26] <TheCubeLord> *only
[21:26] <Drzacek> Well I'm used tu single digit versioning. 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, 1.1.1, 1.9.2 etc
[21:26] <gordonDrogon> does full minecraft run on the Pi yet?
[21:26] <TheCubeLord> goddamit my keyboard
[21:26] <gordonDrogon> you can drive the Pi version from any language - my BASIC interpreter drives it very well...
[21:26] <Drzacek> TheCubeLord, don't blame the hardware
[21:26] <TheCubeLord> gordonDrogon, someone compiled 1.8 in the PPi3
[21:27] <gordonDrogon> it's java - so I guess you just need a fast java engine?
[21:27] <TheCubeLord> with (ithink) at least 32GB sd
[21:28] <Drzacek> I ordered case for my RPi, that was said to be rpi3 compatible. Those lazy bast*rds didn't even made hole for gpio, not to mention air intakes for cooling
[21:28] * gordonDrogon reminds folks to keep it family friendly...
[21:28] <Drzacek> Folks are sorry and promise to behave
[21:28] <oq> Drzacek: link?
[21:29] <Valduare> g’afternoon
[21:29] <TheCubeLord> my RPi2 case did not fit my RPi3 beacuse the wifi dongle being 0.3mm off
[21:30] <TheCubeLord> i facepalmed so hard
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[21:32] <TheCubeLord> ...
[21:32] <Drzacek> Well, guess I'm gonna have to hack mine
[21:32] <TheCubeLord> minesweeper?
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[21:33] <Drzacek> I look at the auction link now, and of course you can see clearly that it doesn't have that what I wanted, so I can only blame myself for buying cheapest things without looking what they are
[21:33] <TheCubeLord> gordonDrogon, are you Swedish?
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[21:33] <gordonDrogon> no.
[21:33] <ozzzy> anyone here have a Pi 3 running
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[21:33] <TheCubeLord> me
[21:33] <gordonDrogon> me too.
[21:34] <Drzacek> oq, http://www.ebay.de/itm/331810771835
[21:34] <TheCubeLord> using it right npw
[21:34] <ozzzy> could you 'cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep Rev' and tell me the output?
[21:34] <Drzacek> mine lies in a drawer, but I can start it up
[21:34] <TheCubeLord> Revision : a02082
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[21:34] <ozzzy> TheCubeLord, tks man
[21:34] <TheCubeLord> what is it for?
[21:35] <TheCubeLord> gordonDrogon, is it the same?
[21:35] <gordonDrogon> er... I can't ssh in.
[21:35] <oq> Drzacek: it shows you accurate pictures of the lack of gpio hole and cooling, why is it their fault?
[21:35] <gordonDrogon> it pings ok, but no ssh. this is a bother. it's been up since the day before release.
[21:35] <TheCubeLord> in pi nor root
[21:35] <TheCubeLord> before the release?
[21:36] <gordonDrogon> oh the SD cards broke.
[21:36] <oq> ozzzy: Revision : a02082
[21:36] <gordonDrogon> must have happened yesterday when I put it in a case. how ironic.
[21:36] <ozzzy> TheCubeLord, just a php script... part of it displays the model
[21:36] <ozzzy> http://ozzzy.dyndns.org
[21:36] <gordonDrogon> a corner has broken off.
[21:36] <Drzacek> oq, I said that few lines earlier
[21:37] <oq> Drzacek: you said what?
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[21:37] <Drzacek> oq, that the pictures showed it all and it was my fault that I didn't look
[21:37] <oq> oh right
[21:37] <TheCubeLord> 16gb of storage nice
[21:38] <Drzacek> well I'm not perfect, I admit
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[21:38] <oq> ozzzy: I think a darker shade of red might be in order
[21:38] <ozzzy> yeah.. could be
[21:39] <TheCubeLord> what is dynDNS?
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[21:39] <TheCubeLord> and why are you part of it's subdomain
[21:39] <oq> TheCubeLord: a dynamic dns service, there are millions of them
[21:39] <TheCubeLord> what are they for?
[21:40] <oq> TheCubeLord: you use a program on your pi which pings their servers and points the subdomain towards your ip
[21:40] <oq> TheCubeLord: it's useful if your ip changes a lot
[21:40] <TheCubeLord> oh
[21:40] <TheCubeLord> why would you IP change a lot
[21:40] <oq> crap isp?
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[21:42] <TheCubeLord> fair enough
[21:42] <ozzzy> TheCubeLord, it's a dynamic dns service
[21:42] <Drzacek> oq, not crappy, just normal. If you want static IP you have to pay for it extra normally
[21:43] * ozzzy buggers off for a bit
[21:43] * TheCubeLord kicks ozzzy for no reason
[21:43] <Drzacek> we run out of ipv4 addresses, so they have to be switched, so we use most of them
[21:43] <jamesd> some only give you a new ip every 6 months or so... mine hasn't changed in a while
[21:43] <curlyears> TheCubeLord: Many domestic ISPs in the USA offer "dynanmic" IPs, and restrict you from offering your services as a serv er, unless you pay them commercial rates, in which case you gert a "static" IP
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[21:44] <TheCubeLord> i dont live in the US *troll-face*
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[21:44] <Drzacek> Thus, dynamic DNS let you host services, like home web server, ftp, ssh, remote connection or VPN tunnels, because a domain will always point to your current IP
[21:44] <curlyears> TheCubeLord: your loss *smirk*
[21:44] <g^ddles> cronjob ;)
[21:44] <g^ddles> every hour
[21:45] <g^ddles> every 5min
[21:45] <Drzacek> TheCubeLord, this is standard in most of the world, for example in Poland in Germany, although in Germany some ISP will now give you IPv6 addresses (a whole bunch of them actually) and they are static
[21:45] <TheCubeLord> during the summer i have an american VPN + Citizenship + Passport *You Don't Say Face*
[21:45] <TheCubeLord> ignore the during the summer part
[21:45] <Drzacek> Hard to ignore
[21:45] <TheCubeLord> i forgot to delete it
[21:45] <TheCubeLord> i have an american VPN + Citizenship + Passport *You Don't Say Face*
[21:45] <Drzacek> What's been said can't be unsaid
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[21:46] <curlyears> but it is possibvel, Drzacek. it could be unsed
[21:46] <TheCubeLord> hoe curlyears how
[21:47] <curlyears> a little droll *nix humour of old
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[21:47] <gordonDrogon> I have static IPv4 and v6 addresses for my home/office connection.
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[21:47] <Drzacek> gordonDrogon, I envy you, mr Drogon
[21:48] <curlyears> TheCubeLord: Stream EDit, or sed, is a standad *nix utility. If you sed something, normally, it is altered. If you were to unsed that altered thing, it would become as it was prior to the running od sed.
[21:48] <curlyears> gads, explaining humour is such a drag
[21:48] <Drzacek> crazy germans gave me IPv6 and I can't use vpn tunnels now, not even home server because port forwarding doesn't work
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[21:49] <curlyears> I think I'd prefer IPv6, frankly
[21:49] <curlyears> ozzzy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[21:50] <curlyears> I like ozzzy
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[21:50] <Drzacek> curlyears, I would like it too, for one I get many global static addresses, but since my VPN doesn't work
[21:50] <jamesd> dooms curlyears to a live of ipv6 with no dns or host files... just decades of memory long string of numbers seperated by :'s
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[21:51] <Drzacek> (right now I can only connect from ipv6 networks. 3G connection in my smartphone and @work isn't ipv6)
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[21:52] <curlyears> I thought one reason IPv6 wqas so delayed in implementation was so they could wring out all thhose idiocies
[21:52] <Drzacek> jamesd, not that long once you get to know them better. Sometimes they could be shortened
[21:52] <curlyears> *I* don't need to remember my IP address, just my email and my domain name
[21:52] <curlyears> what do you mean no DNS?
[21:52] <jamesd> i'm sure they are coming to my work.. so i will get used to them... we are running out of address space in 10/8 very rapidly.
[21:53] <Drzacek> Only reason it takes so long, is that they are not compatible, so you either ipv4 or ipv6 or both, but can't be used interchangeably. And if current solution "works", no one gonna pay for something else
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[21:53] <TheCubeLord> im beck
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[21:53] <Drzacek> TheCubeLord, didn't know you were gone
[21:54] <curlyears> I thought I rmembered reading several long technical articles about embedding v6 IPs in v4 IP packets, to provide some transparency
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[21:54] <TheCubeLord> SEND gordonDrogon lol.txt
[21:54] <TheCubeLord> lol
[21:54] <TheCubeLord> fail
[21:54] <Valduare> lol
[21:55] <gordonDrogon> ?
[21:55] <curlyears> Drzacek: he wasn't...he was gene
[21:55] <curlyears> that's why he's beck now
[21:55] <Drzacek> hahaha
[21:55] <Drzacek> ha
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[21:55] <Drzacek> curlyears, there are few technologies, one of them is DS-Lite
[21:55] * curlyears <----is in an oddly playful mood this afternoon
[21:56] <Valduare> hey guys, I have the pi 3 setup with berryboot and iscsi how could i migrate the installation to a local sd card install instead
[21:56] <TheCubeLord> how do you DCC
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[21:56] <Drzacek> and such a beautiful DS-lite powered network doesn't handle few stuff
[21:56] <gordonDrogon> it didn't seem to want to accept.
[21:56] <TheCubeLord> oh I just aborted
[21:57] <TheCubeLord> sending it again
[21:57] <curlyears> DCC is finicky. I gave up trying to use it decades ago
[21:57] <TheCubeLord> good for you
[21:57] <curlyears> just open another window and FTP it
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[21:59] <TheCubeLord> curlyears, ?????
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[22:00] <gordonDrogon> probably NAT, firewalls, etc.
[22:01] <gordonDrogon> email seems to still work..
[22:01] <TheCubeLord> im on VPN
[22:01] <TheCubeLord> sooo
[22:01] <Drzacek> gordonDrogon, do you have ssh server installed?
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[22:01] <curlyears> what about SIID?
[22:01] <gordonDrogon> I have many ssh servers...
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[22:02] <TheCubeLord> notin
[22:02] <TheCubeLord> wierd
[22:02] * gordonDrogon shrugs.
[22:02] <gordonDrogon> it's not important.
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[22:02] <TheCubeLord> all its says recieved DCC from gordonDrogon bla bal bla
[22:03] <curlyears> TheCubeLord: why did you send me an SHA255 number?
[22:03] <curlyears> s/255/256/
[22:05] <TheCubeLord> i did not
[22:05] <TheCubeLord> i sent you lol.txt
[22:05] <TheCubeLord> which contains
[22:05] <TheCubeLord> <curlyears> that's why he's beck now
[22:05] <TheCubeLord> <Drzacek> hahaha
[22:05] <TheCubeLord> <Drzacek> ha
[22:05] <TheCubeLord> * Offering 'lol.txt' to gordonDrogon
[22:05] <TheCubeLord> * Received a malformed DCC request from gordonDrogon.
[22:06] <TheCubeLord> <curlyears> that's why he's beck now
[22:06] <TheCubeLord> <Drzacek> hahaha
[22:06] <TheCubeLord> <Drzacek> ha
[22:06] <TheCubeLord> * Offering 'lol.txt' to gordonDrogon
[22:06] <TheCubeLord> * Received a malformed DCC request from gordonDrogon.
[22:06] <TheCubeLord> <curlyears> that's why he's beck now
[22:06] <TheCubeLord> <Drzacek> hahaha
[22:06] <TheCubeLord> <Drzacek> ha
[22:06] <TheCubeLord> * Offering 'lol.txt' to gordonDrogon
[22:06] <TheCubeLord> * Received a malformed DCC request from gordonDrogon.
[22:06] <TheCubeLord> for no goddamn reason
[22:06] <Drzacek> creepy
[22:07] <gordonDrogon> I've stopped trying.
[22:07] <TheCubeLord> i know
[22:07] <TheCubeLord> 2 worlds.
[22:07] <TheCubeLord> vim-gtk
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[22:07] <TheCubeLord> vundle
[22:07] <TheCubeLord> best thing ever
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[22:09] <curlyears> TheCubeLord: why do you keep PMing me with SHA256 nnumbers?
[22:10] <TheCubeLord> *troll face*
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[22:14] <Dark-Show> hey guys a little info comming from a cheap elec dude, at my dolarstore they had 3$ rechargable phone chargers, inside was a cheap LiPo 5V regulator with a built in (semi-smart) charger (good for a single battery) it could make many great project for the cheap cost and you can hook up any LiPo battery if you have any laying around
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[22:14] <joe7dust> define 'semi-smart'
[22:14] <Dark-Show> it also had a cheap 18650 in there as well, as i think they are the cheaper lipo's on the market right now
[22:15] <Dark-Show> joe7dust, as far as i can tell its a simple voltage curve charger
[22:15] <TheCubeLord> still not semi-smart
[22:15] <TheCubeLord> its simple
[22:15] <Dark-Show> i found the data sheet in chinese and translated it, it seems decent but i wouldnt trust more than one battery
[22:15] <Dark-Show> anything that monitors the battery in some way is "smart"
[22:15] <Dark-Show> it's not the smartest but its decent
[22:16] <Dark-Show> im just throwing it out there as its on the market so there must of been some tests to make sure the battery dosnt overcharge-undercharge
[22:16] <Dark-Show> 1A output
[22:17] <joe7dust> yea im not sure what you mean by that, but i bought a couple $3 ones for my projects. this one has 2 out pins http://www.ebay.com/itm/161154360120?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT this other one has 4 out pins http://www.ebay.com/itm/172158430467 not sure how it will affect my project but im sure one will at least work
[22:18] <joe7dust> I think the 2 out pin version might have been a bad buy because it would only be possible to run the pi off it not actually charge it
[22:18] <Dark-Show> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Voberry-5200mAh-Portable-External-Power-Bank-Battery-Charger-Rechargeable-PowerA-/381666310835?hash=item58dd15bab3:g:QzcAAOSw9eVXWy8F
[22:18] <Dark-Show> i'm cheap so i look for stuff like this
[22:18] <Dark-Show> it will output 5v regulated
[22:18] <Dark-Show> and also have a built in charger
[22:18] <Dark-Show> plus it comes with a decent battery
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[22:19] <joe7dust> if you want china there are many for 78 cents
[22:19] <TheCubeLord> cool
[22:19] <Valduare> any news on pxe boot and such
[22:19] <TheCubeLord> so what is LiPo
[22:19] <Dark-Show> high current storage batteries
[22:19] <Dark-Show> higher than the old tech and lighter
[22:19] <TheCubeLord> ah
[22:19] <Dark-Show> used in phones and rc toys
[22:20] <TheCubeLord> is creepy that we are loged http://srv.datagutt1.com
[22:20] <Dark-Show> they can be flat shapped or cylinder
[22:20] <Dark-Show> nah most irc chans are logged
[22:20] <Dark-Show> even if you don't know it
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[22:21] <mfa298> TheCubeLord: it's not really a secret, it's in the /topic
[22:22] <Dark-Show> no reason why this chat shouldnt be logged
[22:22] <Dark-Show> some useful info might spill
[22:22] <TheCubeLord> umm have you heard of Privacy??!!??!!
[22:22] <joe7dust> irc has never been private
[22:22] <mfa298> irc channel logging it fairly common
[22:22] <joe7dust> you ip address is shown to everyone
[22:23] <joe7dust> which 99.9% of websites dont do
[22:23] <TheCubeLord> joe7dust, WHOIS me
[22:23] <joe7dust> im not sayin you cant easily hide it
[22:23] <TheCubeLord> do you see the unaffiliated/thecubelord
[22:23] <joe7dust> but by default it does
[22:24] <Dark-Show> [17:22] <TheCubeLord> umm have you heard of Privacy??!!??!! - if you're on the internet there is no such thing as privacy
[22:24] <Dark-Show> the quicker you learn that the more shit makes sence
[22:25] <SyncYourDogmas> there are degrees though
[22:25] <gordonDrogon> Dark-Show, family friendly please..
[22:25] <Dark-Show> sorry about that
[22:27] <Dark-Show> but in reality even your home wifi can be logged and you wouldnt even know
[22:28] <SyncYourDogmas> unless you monitor and check for unknown MAC addresses
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[22:29] <Dark-Show> dos'nt matter
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[22:30] <Dark-Show> anything wifi can be logged and if the password is decrypted (which isnt hard) they can capture every packet and decode them into raw
[22:30] <Dark-Show> don't even need to be connected
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[22:30] <SyncYourDogmas> it depends on the passphase used
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[22:31] <SyncYourDogmas> its easy enough to make it impossible to decrypt
[22:31] <Dark-Show> somewhat
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[22:32] <Dark-Show> new attacks came out makes it way easier and now with gpu password decryption its even easier
[22:32] <TheCubeLord> keeping clode check on my lag
[22:32] <Dark-Show> lag means nothing
[22:32] <Dark-Show> they dont need to inject packets to see yours
[22:32] <TheCubeLord> it is if it is +30sec
[22:32] <Dark-Show> thats just bad connection, or strain on your bandwidth
[22:33] <Dark-Show> the only thing i need is to be there when something connects to the network
[22:33] <SyncYourDogmas> wps aside wpa2 hasn't been broken, with a strong passphrase not even the NSA can crack it
[22:33] <Dark-Show> phones are a big one that give away info because they are constantly connecting
[22:33] <Dark-Show> i crack wpa2 all the time
[22:33] <Dark-Show> slightly slower to crack but the same as wpa
[22:33] <Dark-Show> NSA can crack anything dont think they cant aha
[22:33] <SyncYourDogmas> the weak point is the person choosing the passphrase
[22:34] <Dark-Show> there is a POC attack atm that is able to decrypt your packets without the passphrase
[22:34] <jamesd> you mean 12356 isn't a good password? i hear its quite popular
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[22:34] <Dark-Show> no idea how it works but its out their
[22:34] <SyncYourDogmas> mines not gonna be decrypted before the universe ends; I Worked it out
[22:34] <Dark-Show> based on what
[22:34] <Dark-Show> a computer that can guess a few million passwords a second?
[22:35] <Dark-Show> my shitty computer can crack 60k a second
[22:35] <Dark-Show> and thats a shitty one
[22:35] <Dark-Show> get 8+ highend GPU's in a box
[22:35] <gordonDrogon> a famly friendly one?
[22:35] <Dark-Show> not including using the cloud to crack
[22:35] <jamesd> doesn't matter if its 60k or a million... nsa will spin up 100,000 tasks to crack it in a matter of minutes.
[22:35] <Dark-Show> you can legitly rent the google cloud and crack wpa/wpa
[22:36] <Dark-Show> jamesd has it
[22:36] <SyncYourDogmas> the number of combinations is the number of characters to the power of symbols used.50**5o is more than the number of atoms in the univerise
[22:36] <SyncYourDogmas> its not gonna happen
[22:36] <Dark-Show> there is the luck factor
[22:36] <Dark-Show> and it depends on how they use the keyset
[22:36] <Dark-Show> hackers dont go abcdefg
[22:37] <Dark-Show> they randomize it to potentionaly get a weak spot
[22:37] <Dark-Show> does your password start with a ^ well guess what they can use that as the first character in the keyset
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[22:37] <Dark-Show> by luck yes
[22:37] <Dark-Show> but if they did it would cut the password time in less than half
[22:38] <SyncYourDogmas> they only know they've cracked the hash when they get the whole thing
[22:38] <SyncYourDogmas> its not incremental
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[22:38] <joe7dust> you guys should read some Mark Twin
[22:38] <joe7dust> Twain*
[22:38] <joe7dust> the more you talk the more you look like you know nothing about security :P
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[22:39] <joe7dust> “It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt”
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[22:40] <oq> joe7dust: just a script kiddy who discovered backtrack etc
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[22:42] <SyncYourDogmas> I've been paid to manage security before, I think thats proof enough
[22:42] <joe7dust> lol
[22:42] <joe7dust> actaully nothing you said looks dumb, it was the other 2
[22:42] <joe7dust> but getting paid to do something doesn't prove anything
[22:43] <oq> SyncYourDogmas: were you a bouncer at a club?
[22:43] <SyncYourDogmas> well it shows someone somewhere thought I knew a decent amount. No way of proving it on here though
[22:44] <SyncYourDogmas> oq: I would be far too leniant
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[22:45] <joe7dust> i actually was a bouncer
[22:45] <joe7dust> and it security
[22:45] <joe7dust> do i get cookies?
[22:45] <oq> no you get a hand stamp of a cookie
[22:46] <SyncYourDogmas> arpwatch is good little program fwiw to monitor your LAN
[22:48] <joe7dust> dark-show your comments seem to suggest you are talking about brute force which is a pretty dumb way to go about any sort of cracking these days
[22:48] <eric_s> Anyone around that's good with a multimeter? I just got a raspberry pi 3 and every time I attach the ground pin to ground it shorts out and restarts. I check the pins with a multimeter and when I put the positive lead on PIN 2 (5v) and the ground lead on PIN 39 (ground) it reads negative 5 volts instead of positive 5 volts.
[22:48] <joe7dust> jamesd even agencies with less resources and authority than the nsa would not bother with that approach
[22:49] <eric_s> When I check my power supply powering my LEDs and I put the red/positive lead on positive and the black/ground lead on ground it reads positive 5 volts as it should
[22:49] <gordonDrogon> eric_s, you have the multimeter leads the wrong way round.
[22:49] <eric_s> Is it possible for the GPIO pins to be reversed somehow and I should connect my grounding rail to the 5v pin and not the ground pin?
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[22:50] <gordonDrogon> eric_s, do that and you'll fry the pi.
[22:50] <joe7dust> oq i didn't stamp hands btw, the doorman does that
[22:50] <eric_s> but I /am/ frying the pi. everytime I connect the ground pin to the grounding rail it shorts out and restarts. If I leave it connected for more than an instant, it will fry (already broke one trying to wire this up)
[22:50] <joe7dust> i was the real bouncer ;)
[22:51] <eric_s> I am just confused as to why red-red and black-to-black on the LED power supply reads correct (+5v) but red to 5V and black to ground pin on the Pi reads (-5V)
[22:51] <joe7dust> the guy who blends into the crowd
[22:52] <eric_s> I have a logic level shifter hooked up so the GPIO pins can send 5v signals, but that's not in the equation right now, just trying to hook up the pi and the LEDs to a common ground
[22:52] <gordonDrogon> eric_s, it's impossible for you to have a Pi with the GPIO connector wired the wrong way round.
[22:52] <eric_s> I am inclined to agree, just trying to figure out why I can't hook the ground of the GPIO pins to the grounding rail of my breadboard without a short
[22:53] <eric_s> and why the backwards voltage reading
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[22:54] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/gpio-examples/tux-crossing/gpio-examples-1-a-single-led/
[22:54] <joe7dust> i've never held a job for longer than 18 months so the list is kind of ridiculous at this point
[22:54] <eric_s> could the power supply somehow be in the outlet backwards and the polarity is reversed or something?
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[22:54] <eric_s> (sorry am a coder, not an electronics person)
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[22:55] <SyncYourDogmas> same, electronics I just don't know where to begin
[22:56] <stiv> the power supply is AC. can't be plugged in 'backwards' polarity
[22:56] <curlyears> eric_s: assuming your measurements are correct, you have something miswired
[22:56] <methuzla> eric_s describe what you consider to be pin 2
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[22:56] <stiv> iirc, the gpio pins a 3.3v and not 5
[22:57] <eric_s> yes all the GPIO pins read negative 3.3v when I connect red to GPIO pin and black to ground
[22:57] <stiv> (the signal pins. obviously power & ground are different)
[22:57] <mfa298> eric_s: maybe a picture or diagram of what you've setup might help
[22:57] <eric_s> have tested every ground pin on the GPIO and they all read that way
[22:58] <gordonDrogon> you have the multimeter leads the wrong way round. but I already said that.
[22:58] <mfa298> it sounds like you've done something that's probably obvious but it's hard for people to tell from just text
[22:58] <stiv> are you in australia? that might cause the -3.3 volts
[22:58] * stiv ducks
[22:58] <g^ddles> lol
[22:58] <g^ddles> coloriscraft
[22:58] <g^ddles> :D
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[22:59] <methuzla> eric_s, do you have a link to the multimeter you are using?
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[23:00] <eric_s> gordonDrogon -- but I don't I have them correctly and I just confirmed by checking my wall socket with it and got positive voltage as I should. I also checked the breadboard and get positive voltage as I should (and the LEDs light up, if I switch ground and positive the LEDs don't light up)
[23:00] <stiv> are the meter leads connected backwards?
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[23:00] <pksato> eric_s: check on multimeter side, if black is to COM and red to V(Ohms)
[23:01] <eric_s> black is to COM and red is to V. The holes are color-coded, hard to screw up...
[23:01] <stiv> your wall socket is AC. it will read positive.
[23:01] <joe7dust> that reminds me i should probably snag a multimeter... i mean i know i have balls of steel to try and build a gameboy zero inside an SP shell for my first ever pi project and never owned anything besides a gb classic.. but doing it without even a multimeter is probably asking for more headache
[23:01] <mfa298> eric_s: wall socket is AC so I doubt you'll see a -ve (also it's best not to play with mains if you don't know what you're doing)
[23:02] <joe7dust> any ccheap models to recommend?
[23:02] <curlyears> gordonDrogon: that's a pretty nice page. Did you write that stuff?
[23:02] <stiv> joe7dust, buy a meter. even if it's a cheap one
[23:02] <gordonDrogon> curlyears, yes - 4 years ago...
[23:02] <joe7dust> stiv thats what i just said :P
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[23:02] <eric_s> (I can switch it to AC mode -- in any case -- when I check the power rail and the grounding rail on the breadboard, it reads positive 5v (and the LEDs are currently working) when I check positive to GPIO pins and black to ground on the PI it shows negative volts....
[23:03] <eric_s> so even assuming that I'm an idiot that hooked up the multimeter leads wrong (they aren't I promise) those are still reversed from each other :/
[23:03] <mfa298> eric_s: there is something wrong in your setup, there is no -ve volts on the Pi
[23:03] <pksato> eric_s: you sure what connectd black to ground (any metalic part)?
[23:03] <joe7dust> anything lower than $4.65 after shipping to texas would be good :) http://www.ebay.com/itm/7-Function-Digital-Multimeter-Cen-Tech-/122011918757?hash=item1c687a21a5:g:2xoAAOSwT5tWNtt7
[23:03] <curlyears> joe7dust:< Menard's sells some in the $15-25 range that are useable
[23:03] <eric_s> 100% sure I'm connecting black to ground -- have tried each grounding pin and each GPIO pin in succession. They all read the same, but they all read negative.
[23:04] <curlyears> I wouldn't recommend those Centec units to anyone
[23:04] <joe7dust> sheeeet not even my display was that much... i gues you aint heard of the Dirt Cheap GBA SP Zero by joe7dust project
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[23:04] * stiv bets on the breadboard being wired backwards
[23:04] <curlyears> no, I haven't. But scrimping on test gear is a fools game
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[23:05] <stiv> joe7dust, go to Frys or Harbor Freight
[23:05] <curlyears> ozzzy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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[23:05] <ozzzy> hi
[23:05] <stiv> and what curlyears said. cheap meters and cables are satan's own
[23:05] <curlyears> stiv: yeah, Harbor Freight would have some inexpensive, moderately useable units
[23:05] <mfa298> eric_s: can you take some pictures of your setup (imgur works well for posting images)
[23:05] <methuzla> ^^
[23:06] <joe7dust> you know what i'd usually agree with you guys but on this i think ill be fine :P
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[23:06] <joe7dust> i used to have a yellow one looked just like this for laptop repairs thing worked at least 5 years no problems
[23:06] <curlyears> joe7dust: what is this dirt cheap project?
[23:06] <eric_s> I can try :)
[23:06] <joe7dust> http://www.sudomod.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=516
[23:07] <oq> curlyears: hes making a pigrrl if I recall
[23:07] <joe7dust> just a few things left to order: http://www.sudomod.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=514&p=6020#p6020
[23:07] <joe7dust> oops ignore that last link
[23:07] <joe7dust> http://www.sudomod.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=514&p=6020#p5455 lands in a better spot
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[23:11] <ozzzy> hey curlyears
[23:12] <curlyears> joe7dust: one minor quibble: you folks keep referring to mAh for power supply capacity...mAh only applies to batteries. It tells you thwe total amount of power stored in the battery. What you folksw want to say is (500mA, or 2600mA. That way, others will understand what you're trying to tell them
[23:12] <curlyears> what is a pigrrl?
[23:13] <curlyears> sorry, don't like switching back and forth from the google screen to this one, hard on the eyes
[23:13] <oq> curlyears: google it
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[23:13] <curlyears> oq: frankly, I don't care enough to google it
[23:13] <joe7dust> http://www.ebay.com/itm/122011918757?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT just added it to the list, paid :)
[23:13] <joe7dust> I'm not building a pigrrl anyway
[23:14] <joe7dust> its more closely related to the GBZ but I'm using a more compact design and removing all unnecessary components and putting in a GBA SP shell.
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[23:14] <curlyears> ozzzy which mini-micro are you using on your scope?
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[23:15] <eric_s> okay all,here is a picture showing that I have my multimeter leads on correctly
[23:15] <joe7dust> curlyears i guess you're talking about my reply where i said it outputs 600mAh? yea that h should be dropped there, but I think the OP doesn't have such mistake
[23:16] <eric_s> http://cl.ly/2s3E3e211A3q
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[23:16] <eric_s> here is a picture showing NEGATIVE voltage when I put ground to ground and positive to the 5v pin
[23:16] <eric_s> http://cl.ly/0q240J0m0g3s
[23:16] <curlyears> joe7dust: OK...just thought I'd metion that
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[23:16] <eric_s> and here is a picture showing POSITIVE voltage when I connect the positive to my positive breadboard rail and ground to my grounding breadboard rail
[23:17] <joe7dust> i corrected it, ty
[23:17] <eric_s> http://cl.ly/1Z2A36181F3S
[23:17] <mfa298> eric_s: the more useful thing would be the picture of how you've got things connected to the Pi
[23:17] <eric_s> nothing is connected to the pi right now
[23:17] <eric_s> I'm literally just checking the voltage of the pins
[23:17] <eric_s> and they all read negative
[23:17] <oq> eric_s: he means the multimeter connected
[23:17] <eric_s> GPIO pins read negative 3.3 and 5v pin reads negative 5v
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[23:17] <curlyears> eric_s: OK, that is reading correctly. It is not reading -5
[23:18] <eric_s> second picture. black lead on pin 39 and red lead on pin 2
[23:18] <methuzla> nope
[23:18] <methuzla> http://pi4j.com/images/j8header-photo.png
[23:18] <curlyears> why do you think they're measuring negative?
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[23:19] <eric_s> because it reads -5 when connected to the pi and positive 5 when connected to the breadboard
[23:19] <methuzla> because red is on ground and black is on 5v
[23:19] <eric_s> but I think methuzula just showed me that I was numbering the pins backward
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> type: gpio readall
[23:19] <methuzla> glad i asked that first thing way back up there somewhere
[23:20] <mfa298> eric_s: take a look at https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/usage/gpio-plus-and-raspi2/ you're red probe is on gnd
[23:20] <ozzzy> curlyears, I use nanos and pro-minis
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[23:20] <curlyears> pro-mini? and Nano what? Arduino Nano?
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[23:27] <curlyears> dagnab it. something is fuxored with my browser. I can't get to any of the other windows I am opening.
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[23:30] <ozzzy> curlyears, sorry... misunderstood
[23:30] <Dark-Show> joe7dust: actually not around my area bruteforce was my incentive and i have about a 70% success rate but you usually need to do some research
[23:31] <ozzzy> I have a dual-core atom with 2G ram and Win7 that I CAN use... but I generally use my Win10 laptop
[23:31] <Dark-Show> my initial argument was nothing on the internet was private. then it evolved into all wifi is unsecure to a point as well
[23:32] <joe7dust> im over it, forget i said anything
[23:33] <Dark-Show> I'm just justifing my argument, I don't know much about security. I just don't trust computers with what I do know about it.
[23:34] <eric_s> Thanks all -- The LEDs still aren't being controlled correctly, but at least I can hook them up without the pi blowing up!
[23:35] <mfa298> I've heard it said they only secure computer is one lined with lots of concrete and dumped at the bottom of the ocean, (and even then it's probably only a matter of time until it can be compromised)
[23:35] <curlyears> the IoT is an invitation to disaster. Before we propagate such a monstrosity into world reality, someone needs to dwevelop a truly secure platform. Otherwise, hackers all over the world are going to have easy access to machines and processess that can kill and destroy if messed with
[23:37] <kjar> curlyears: amen
[23:38] <curlyears> did any of you see the articles about Samsung's home automation system? Two years and almost a million units after introduction, and researchers found, in just two days, sevweral ways to intrude n the system, from changing the passowrds to locking the legit owners out, setting off false alrams, quenching real alarms, and many other. Samsung has y
[23:38] <curlyears> et, 6 months after they were notified, to come up with *ANY* fixes
[23:38] <kjar> caveat being that there's no such thing as a truly secure platform :)
[23:38] <joe7dust> wow one of my facebook friends just posted a pic of her in a dungeon
[23:38] <curlyears> kjar: trtue, but we need to develop systems that are one hell of a lot more secure than what's avail;able now.
[23:39] <SyncYourDogmas> kjar: One time Pads ;)
[23:39] <kjar> agreed there's a big space between where we are and could be
[23:39] <curlyears> SyncYourDogmas: one time pads won't work for secuity in an IoT system
[23:40] <SyncYourDogmas> curlyears: not practically i agree
[23:40] <SyncYourDogmas> two factor auth should be enough in most cases
[23:41] <joe7dust> I would share but it is NSFW lol
[23:41] <curlyears> two factor authorization gets tricky when the autorization database has to be remote, and accessed via the network. Many IoT devices are just too small to handle that on their own
[23:41] <curlyears> awwwww
[23:44] <SyncYourDogmas> curlyears: port knocking is one lightweight method
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[23:45] <curlyears> port knocking?
[23:46] <mfa298> port knocking isn't really 2fa, although it is a decent security by obscurity method
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[23:47] <curlyears> never heard of "port knocking"
[23:48] <SyncYourDogmas> its not obscurity, the key is the order of ports knocked, potenntially 65353! combinations
[23:48] <joe7dust> can IRC networks be malicious?
[23:49] <curlyears> that isn't really a hole lot of combinations, given the speed of modren computers and networs
[23:49] <curlyears> networks
[23:49] <SyncYourDogmas> you're undersetimating factorials
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[23:49] <curlyears> the network itself? No, the user of an irc network can engage in nefarious and mqlicious activities
[23:49] <joe7dust> like there are certain http I will NOT click for fear of them, should i respect the irc protocol like this?
[23:49] <mfa298> curlyears: it's where you make a connection to a port first that then opens up the real port for you're ip, kine of reverse fail2ban
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[23:50] <mfa298> SyncYourDogmas: it is still obscurity, given enough time and resource it can be determined.
[23:50] <curlyears> there is nothing inherently secure sabout the IRC networking protocols
[23:50] <mfa298> true 2FA is something you have (your mobile that gets a short time code) and somethign you know (a password)
[23:50] <SyncYourDogmas> the universe will end first before its cracked
[23:51] <SyncYourDogmas> 2FA is just twp different channels used
[23:51] <curlyears> It would seem to me that if an intruder was monitoring the networkl traffic on an IoT device, the intruder would be able to reverse engineer s port knock with relative ease, no need to guess at it
[23:51] <joe7dust> well there are some websites i wouldn't trust enough to visit because it could have malware ads and such just wondering if i join someones random irc they linked me it could be like that
[23:52] <SyncYourDogmas> curlyears: I monitor layer 2 as well, and they would have to be very close to do it anyway
[23:53] <curlyears> joe7dust: there asre some protections, but if yopu have DCC set to auto=-accept, and dont have the DCC filters set to keep executable from being received, you could get into trouble, yes
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[23:53] <joe7dust> even if i dont run that exe?
[23:53] <curlyears> joe7dust: never count on thsat as a protection
[23:53] <artige> joe7dust, BitchX used to have buffer overflows all the time
[23:54] <artige> so yeah, even if you don't run the exe, someone could make it execute with some kind of exploit
[23:54] <joe7dust> well i have dcc set to show dialog so i guess im good then
[23:55] <curlyears> joe7dust: you can set DCC to automatically reject files with specific extensions in their names, such as .com, .exe, .js etc
[23:55] <joe7dust> it should show me a popup if someone wants to dcc, on that network ill just hit no
[23:56] <curlyears> SyncYourDogmas: and if someone seriously wanted to hack your IoT system, do you really thiink that that is a safe attitude?
[23:57] <curlyears> I always hated the .com file extension. Unlike .exe, it made no inherent sense.
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[23:57] <curlyears> it was essentially shorthand for .command
[23:58] <SyncYourDogmas> curlyears: specific exploits aside a strong passphrase is enough. I'll send you the four EAPOL packets with my passphrase if you like; its just not crackable
[23:58] <curlyears> and the VAST majority of .com files did NOT implement some UI command, they were portions of full fledged applications
[23:58] <joe7dust> i totally forgot about .com extension... man that was like back in the CGA day
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[23:58] <joe7dust> and dos
[23:59] <curlyears> .com preceded even DOS. It was used in CP/M, prior to 1980
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[23:59] <curlyears> and that's just in the microcomputer world. I believe .com was copied from mainframe and minicomputer O/Ses

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