#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2016-06-12

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[0:00] <curlyears> it sucks being 64
[0:01] <curlyears> except that in July, I'll be able to have my 2^6 birthday party
[0:01] <mfa298> the win3.11 days were good you could specify what extensions it treated as executable, I used to have .xex files as it stopped the network admins at college finding them when they did their scans
[0:01] <curlyears> I have no one to invite who will undertand the 2^6 reference, and if you have to explain it, it loses its "charm"
[0:01] <joe7dust> network admins at college.. god those guys were so nosy
[0:02] <joe7dust> they literally go around spying on the entire campus for class credit
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[0:02] <curlyears> joe7dust: yes, they were, and I despised many of them, but to be fair, they had an important job to do, that was not easy. Made considerably less easy by folks like you and me
[0:03] <joe7dust> it makes sense im sure they learned a lot from that, and some went on to jobs that require such
[0:03] <joe7dust> but my boss getting a 50 page stack of my usenet history... n ot so fun
[0:03] <curlyears> I actually never did any serious hacking on my school's systems, but I had the Admins terrified of me.... *heheh* they thought I could do ANYTHING< I think
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[0:04] <joe7dust> they warned me about using kazaa and morpheus and stuff but i found a way around it... lol desired to get fired i guess
[0:04] <joe7dust> deserved&
[0:04] <joe7dust> *
[0:04] <abnormal> I used to, they came in and offered me IT job
[0:04] <mfa298> I've been able to do both sides of that, I was also part of the network team for a Uni, sometimes we knew quite a lot more than we let on (like the guy who had 2TB of movies when the average drive size was around 100G, he was only told we suspected he had a virus on his computer)
[0:05] <curlyears> it wasn't about them learning anything in particular, it was about insuring the the school's public property (e.g., computers) were being used for the purposes intended, and not being damaged or compromised for user security
[0:05] <joe7dust> abnormal you got lucky, i just read about a guy who was kicked out of school for alerting the CS department of a hole in their website and he didn't even exploit it
[0:05] <abnormal> wow, that's a shame
[0:06] <abnormal> he should have been praised
[0:06] <joe7dust> it was the guy who got arrested and had an article bout recently
[0:06] <joe7dust> for hacking some .govs
[0:07] <curlyears> many computer operations managers react that way: punish the messenger, because if s/he hadn't been engaged in in appropriate activities, they would never have found the hole in the first place
[0:07] <abnormal> ahh, ok... got it
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[0:07] <joe7dust> maybe if he didn't get kicked out of school for something stupid then
[0:07] <mfa298> lots of IT people (and not just in academia) can get quite protective and don't like it if you tell them there's an issue
[0:07] <curlyears> not rtrue, but that's the attitude
[0:07] <joe7dust> he wouldn't have gone that path
[0:07] <joe7dust> all i remember is his password was Chewy123
[0:07] <joe7dust> so the fbi got into his filevault
[0:08] <curlyears> filevault?
[0:08] <joe7dust> Chewy was also his cat's name so yea... not so bright
[0:08] <joe7dust> filevault it like diskcrypt for masc
[0:08] <joe7dust> macs*
[0:08] <Hitechcg> that's a great password!
[0:08] <curlyears> oh, I am totally ignorant of Mac-ese. By choice./
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[0:08] <Hitechcg> curlyears: good choice
[0:08] <joe7dust> current uncrackable, the nsa requires macbooks using it by their employyees
[0:09] <curlyears> you know, I hate to be the one to bring it up, but I haven't seen a Pi related messge in here in over an hour
[0:09] <jamesd> what is the 200th digit of pi? curlyears happy now?
[0:10] <jamesd> ;-)
[0:10] * curlyears smacks jamesd around with a wet trout
[0:11] <curlyears> I am just surprised that we h aven't been scolded by one of several ops or people who consider it their jobs to enforce the rules
[0:11] <mfa298> curlyears: surely you should be throwing a pie at him instead :p
[0:11] * ozzzy is relearning php
[0:11] <ozzzy> been a long time LOL
[0:12] <mfa298> ozzzy: nooooo, don't do it.
[0:12] <curlyears> mfa: naw, I prefer wet trout. It hurts more *smirk*
[0:12] <ali1234> what type of regulator is used on the Pi-DigiAMP+ to power the Pi?
[0:12] <ali1234> is it linear or switching?
[0:12] <ozzzy> php is just fine for web stuff
[0:12] <mfa298> but if you used pie you can't be accused of being off topic
[0:13] <curlyears> do you have the party number, ali1234?
[0:13] <ali1234> no
[0:13] <curlyears> s/y//
[0:13] <ali1234> i want to know before i buy it
[0:13] <curlyears> how large is it, physically?
[0:13] <ali1234> it's a HAT...
[0:13] <mfa298> ozzzy: personally I don't have too much against php, just the 80% of people who can't write decent code with it.
[0:13] <ali1234> https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/pi-digiamp
[0:13] <ozzzy> PERL is in the same boat
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[0:14] <ozzzy> mind you... PERLers seem to think it's good code if nobody but them can read it
[0:14] <curlyears> I am unfamiliar with the DigiAMP product, but if it is like many Pi related products, it is open source, and their website should list the part numbers for you
[0:14] <ali1234> it isn't
[0:14] <ali1234> it also doesn't give any rating for how much power it can supply to the pi
[0:15] <ali1234> i'm retty sure it is switching because i see inductors in the photo
[0:15] <mfa298> most of my perl code is nice and readable, sometimes it even has comments. But I do know someone that did well in one of the perl obsufucation contests
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[0:16] <pksato> Audio amp of 35W RMS? or is a arbitrary number?
[0:16] <ali1234> don't know
[0:16] <ali1234> the audip amp chip is named so you can check that
[0:16] <curlyears> well, Pimoroni is one that doesn't usually release a lot of internl docs....but I would say it is pretty certainly a digital regulator, given the lack of any large semiconductor visible in the photo
[0:16] <ali1234> it isn't made by pimoroni
[0:16] <joe7dust> should i be annoyed that i bought a "roll" of copper tape and the guy sent thin paper envelope with a 3 feet worth folded up?
[0:17] <Berg> heheh
[0:17] <Dark-Show> ahaha anything under 15ft never comes on a spool
[0:17] <Dark-Show> at least from my exp
[0:17] <mfa298> ali1234: I'd guess smps from the picture, if it was a linear reg I'd have thought there would be an obvious heatsink on it
[0:17] <joe7dust> the picture showed a roll...
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[0:18] <ali1234> well, wouldn't a 2 channel 35W amp also have a heatsink?
[0:18] <Dark-Show> always does on ebay lol the roll they take it from and put in the envelope LOL
[0:18] <ali1234> i don't know anything about audio
[0:18] <pksato> ali1234: class D amp.
[0:18] <joe7dust> i should've read the description but damn he could at least take a picture of the right thing
[0:18] <ali1234> my concern is whether this thing will be able to power a pi and a screen
[0:18] <ali1234> and maybe some other stuff
[0:19] <curlyears> Ah, I see. Just being sold by Pimoroni. I didn't see a price.
[0:19] <mfa298> ali1234: depends on what sort of 20W they mean, and if it's one of the new types (class E or maybe class D) I don't think they generate as much heat
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[0:20] <curlyears> ali1234: not necessaeily depending on the output transistors they used.
[0:20] <mfa298> I can't see anything on that page saying what power input it needs either
[0:20] <ali1234> https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0174/1800/products/Pi-DIGIAMP_1024x1024.JPG
[0:20] <ali1234> is highest res picture i can find
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[0:20] <ali1234> mfa298: according to the manufacturer docs, it needs 15V to 19V
[0:21] <mfa298> ali1234: and how many amps
[0:21] <ali1234> they recommend a 19V 65W PSU if you want 2x35W outputs
[0:21] <ali1234> so about 3.3A
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[0:21] <curlyears> ali1234: it says it'll power your Pi. It doesn't offer any more information than that. There is an info@ email address at the bottopm of ther page, write to them and ask\
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[0:22] <mfa298> that would suggest it might be RMS then, and reasonably efficient (65W in, 40W out)
[0:22] <curlyears> mfa298: agreed
[0:22] <ali1234> it costs £60 so it should be at least decent
[0:22] <curlyears> ali1234: never judge the quality of a piece of technology based on price
[0:23] <ali1234> i don't
[0:23] <curlyears> time for me to go cook supper
[0:23] <mfa298> looking at http://www.iqaudio.co.uk/home/9-pi-digiamp-0712411999650.html suggests you can get 2x35W (so 70W as well)
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[0:23] <joe7dust> curlyears sucks for you my roommate just made burgers
[0:23] <ali1234> yeah
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[0:24] <mfa298> which would put you at generating energy if it's on a 65W PSU
[0:24] <ali1234> there is a user guide too but it is rather vague about power: http://www.iqaudio.com/downloads/IQaudIO.pdf
[0:24] <pksato> http://www.ti.com/product/TAS5756M/description
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[0:26] <ali1234> so here's the actual project incase anyone has any bright ideas:
[0:26] <curlyears> that TI "spec" sheet dopesn't even specifiy the units of their specs. is that 75 Watts peak, average, RMS. peak to peak????
[0:27] <ali1234> it's a magic mirror type deal that provides a uPNP music player frontend, and rss reader
[0:27] <ali1234> but it's a bathroom mirror, so it needs to have good reflectivity, and it needs to be waterproof or at least water resistant
[0:28] <ali1234> the speakers will be 80W water resistant ones, but they won't need to be driven at full power, because it's a fairly small room
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[0:28] <ali1234> https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/SKSP032WR.html
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[0:29] <curlyears> On the very first page of that users guide it points out that the device is designed to run on a 15VDC 3Amp supply
[0:29] <Berg> the connections not water proof
[0:29] <ali1234> the current plan is to use the official 7" display and mount the whole lot in a water proof box, and run speaker cables and power through a a hole which will be sealed with silicone
[0:30] <curlyears> ali1234: what sort of a display are you going to use?
[0:30] <ali1234> ten get the mirror made with a 7" hole in the reflective backing
[0:30] <curlyears> you'd be better to mount connectors then to use pigtails and silicone
[0:30] <ali1234> which will look kind of ugly but there you go
[0:30] <mfa298> curlyears: I'd guess it's something along the lines of 2x20W / 2x35W RMS, If it's class D I think they're fairly efficient (but may not sound as good as the less efficient designs)
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[0:31] <ali1234> the 15V supply is recommended for 2x20W
[0:31] <ali1234> 19V for 2x35W
[0:31] <ali1234> they sell both
[0:31] <curlyears> mfa298: : they only have a 45 Watt power supply, how can they provide 2X35 Watts RMS?
[0:31] <ali1234> no idea how realistic it is
[0:32] <curlyears> ah
[0:32] <ali1234> that PDF is a little bit confusing
[0:32] <curlyears> never the less, email them and ask them how much power they can supply for your Pi
[0:32] <Berg> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B04zOLIOE_DRckJYd1REeVZLcjg/view
[0:33] <mfa298> curlyears: the page I say mentions a 19V/65W PSU, so close enough to 2x35W if it's along the lines of rms
[0:33] <curlyears> Berg: and the point is?
[0:33] <mfa298> if they were quoting pmpo it would be 1000W from a 12V 1A supply :p
[0:34] <Berg> no point
[0:34] <curlyears> 2X35W RMS requires a minimum of 70+ Watts of power supply
[0:34] <curlyears> I've never quite understood that bullshit PMPO measurement
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[0:34] <mfa298> ali1234: when you say bathroom, do you mean a home type environment with bath/shower
[0:34] <ali1234> mfa298: yes
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[0:35] <ali1234> actually only a shower
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[0:35] <mfa298> curlyears: marketing, I think that's the only reason
[0:35] <ali1234> but steamy, yes
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[0:35] <curlyears> \evena class D amp is not 100% efficient, and already were7.143% shy on power...add in the inefficiencies, and it looks more like peak power to me
[0:35] <mfa298> ali1234: I'd be potentially worried about the steam and humiditiy. That could be more of an issue than splashes
[0:36] <ali1234> splashes wn't be a problem it is behind a mirror inside a cupboard
[0:36] <curlyears> mfa: prezactly
[0:36] <ali1234> it's the steam
[0:36] <curlyears> your display will have to be hermetically sealed (likely to be expensive)
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[0:36] <mfa298> curlyears: I'm assuming their expecting you won't actually hit 35W on both channels at the same time.
[0:37] <curlyears> not steam: water vapor. Steam is invisible water vapor above 212F (100C)
[0:37] <curlyears> mfa298: a pretty stupid assumption, for anyone who knows anything about audio reproduction
[0:38] <curlyears> what I meant though, mfa298, is that I was never able to quite comprehend how they developed the numbers they quoted as "PMPO power"
[0:40] <curlyears> in MOST commercial recordings, while there are differences in signal betwen right and left, the overall power spectrum in the two chennels tends to be fairly bal;anced, otherwise it leads to an unsatisfactory listening experience for the audience
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[0:40] <mfa298> I think PMPO was suposedly based of a tangent on the audio wave done in such a way to give the highest possible number.
[0:40] <mfa298> and it gave a good marketing number for people who just think bigger is better
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[0:41] <curlyears> yeah. Like idiots who equip teenytiny little automobiles with 2000Watt steroe system. Downright suicidal
[0:41] <k_j> what's up
[0:41] <curlyears> k_j: my blood pressure, why do you ask? *grin*
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[0:43] <curlyears> off to eat supper
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[0:45] <pksato> Here in brazil, we call PMPO as "Potencia Musical Para Otarios" (Music Power for Fools).
[0:46] <pksato> or "Potencia Maxima para Otarios"
[0:47] <ozzzy> or People Making Poor Origami
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[0:52] <abnormal> lol
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[1:05] <Dragin> I am at work and trying to sftp (using Filezilla) into my Pi3 to update my web server. My Pi3 is my web server. I am able to connect to it, but when I try to upload files, i get a permission denied error. How can I remotely change the permissions so that I can upload files please?
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[1:05] <Dragin> btw, I can sownload files just fine, it is the uploading to the pi that is giving me the problem
[1:06] <Berg> ssh in Dragin
[1:06] <Dragin> sownload = download
[1:06] <Dragin> using putty?
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[1:06] <Berg> i never had that ussie
[1:06] <Berg> issue
[1:06] <ozzzy> you need to make sure that the user you're logging in as has permission to write to the web directory
[1:07] <Berg> yes
[1:07] <Berg> you can change permission or user groups with ssh
[1:07] <Dragin> so, putty into it, then change permissions?
[1:07] <Berg> maybe check the groups permission on the user your logging into'
[1:08] <pksato> yes, you can not change permission before write to destination.
[1:08] <Berg> sudo addgroup <username> <group>
[1:09] <Dragin> honestly, I am a super noob at linux. I know a little about chown, but just enough to screw things up really bad lol
[1:09] <Dragin> ok. I will tery that
[1:09] <Dragin> thanksd
[1:09] <Dragin> tery = try
[1:09] <pksato> change web content directory to user what have access, and group to webserver group. And make read to group.
[1:10] <SyncYourDogmas> chmod a+rw should work too
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[1:13] <pksato> Dragin: same situation can happens on windows. (or other OS)
[1:16] <ali1234> pksato: potencia? what do you call potential energy then?
[1:17] <pksato> energia potencial. (latin roots)
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[1:19] <Dragin> thank you very much for that info SyncYourDogmas =) It did indeed work =)
[1:19] <SyncYourDogmas> Dragin: no worries, I never got round to learning the old syntax
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[1:21] <ali1234> pksato: what about potential difference (of voltages)?
[1:21] <Dragin> I have a PI 2 and a PI3... running my web server on the 3, going to hook up the 2 in my living room and hopefully my niece will learn something by playing around with it =)
[1:21] <ali1234> i guess that's the same thing really
[1:23] <ali1234> and now i'm reading portuguese wikipedia trying to figure this out
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[1:29] <ali1234> pksato: Potencial elétrico = electrical energy and Potência elétrica = electrical power?
[1:29] <ali1234> and judging from the endings, one is male and the other is female?
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[1:53] <pksato> ali1234: potential difference = Diferença de Potencial Eletrico, Tensão Elétrica. Unit, Volts, Voltagem. (sorry for accents)
[1:54] <pksato> and, yes for energy and power.
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[5:42] <fragmint> does anyone have any raspberry pi zero recipes?
[5:43] <Valduare> goes good with chocolate
[5:44] <fragmint> I tried it in a sandwich but it was a little bland
[5:44] <fragmint> I'm also pretty sure I now need extensive dental wor
[5:44] <ozzzy> fragmint, try dijon mustard
[5:45] <Valduare> pi0 zero calories
[5:46] <fragmint> its not REALLY 0 calories, they're allowed to round down
[5:46] <fragmint> its already been established, it contains 3.14 calories per serving
[5:47] <ozzzy> you can burn 10 calories with a 20m porno
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[5:53] <Dark-Show> lol
[5:53] <Dark-Show> that conversation had me laughing
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[6:28] <martin290> hey everyone
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[6:37] <Valduare> hi
[6:38] <martin290> how's it going?
[6:38] <Valduare> trying to come up with something fun for my pi zero
[6:39] <martin290> how about a web app?
[6:39] <martin290> that's what i'm trying to do
[6:40] <Valduare> for what
[6:40] <martin290> do you have any hobbies?
[6:41] <Valduare> not if I cant figure out what to do with this pi zero :P
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[6:41] <martin290> do you need to create an inventory for anything?
[6:41] <Valduare> is that what your working on?
[6:41] <martin290> kinda, yeah
[6:42] <martin290> and i'm using some json + ajax too
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[6:42] <martin290> its pretty fun when you get into it :)
[6:42] <Valduare> aye
[6:42] <Valduare> what are you inventorying
[6:43] <martin290> well, the abridged version is, it's a web app that users can enter items they buy at stores and how much they paid for them
[6:43] <martin290> and other users can search for those items, and buy the same thing (since it'll probably be on sale or something)
[6:44] <Valduare> i remember an app like tht
[6:44] <Valduare> cant remember name of it
[6:45] <martin290> i didn't know there was something like that out there already
[6:45] <Valduare> shopsavvy
[6:45] <Valduare> thats the name
[6:46] <martin290> ah
[6:46] <martin290> that's for advertised sales, right?
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[6:49] <Valduare> you can scan in products add price
[6:49] <Valduare> other people scan product and can see if its cheaper across town
[6:49] <martin290> ah ok
[6:49] <martin290> so yeah, my web app is very similar to that
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[7:23] <Valduare> heh just found a 1 gig pcie gfx card in my pile
[7:24] <Valduare> it works
[7:24] <Valduare> nice
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[7:36] <SyncYourDogmas> Ive got a few but dont know what to do with them
[7:36] <Valduare> its a full height bracket card
[7:36] <Valduare> but i just put it into a little halfheight core i3 desktop I have laying around
[7:36] <Valduare> with the side of case off lol
[7:37] <SyncYourDogmas> to play games?
[7:37] <Valduare> not much into games these days
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[7:38] <Valduare> it should be able to render video better than my mid 2010 macbook pro i’d imagine now
[7:41] <SyncYourDogmas> ethereum is still worth mining
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[8:34] <dreamon_> good morning. I've a rpi2 and bought a rpi3. But sdcard from pi2 to pi3 but It dont boot anymore. what can I do?
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[8:40] <nicolas17> what distro did you have in the card?
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[8:44] <dreamon_> raspberian
[8:45] <dreamon_> isnt it possible to convert to run on pi3?
[8:45] <dreamon_> I have a already install much things..
[8:45] <nicolas17> I think it should run if you ensure all packages are updated (by running the updates in the pi2 of course)
[8:46] <dreamon_> hmm.. ok I update and try again
[8:46] <nicolas17> but debian would probably run faster, the whole point of raspbian is to support the older CPU of the *rpi1*
[8:46] <oq> nicolas17: specifically the armv6 bit
[8:46] <nicolas17> yup
[8:47] <oq> raspbian was created because the foundation decided to use an ancient armv6 cpu when armv7 was the norm and debian didn't support armv6
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[8:48] <oq> so everything had to be recompiled with hardfloat support iirc, hence the alternate repos
[8:48] <nicolas17> yeah
[8:48] <nicolas17> debian armel was armv6 soft-float, which is slow; debian armhf was hardfloat but armv7 so it wouldn't run
[8:48] <oq> and now the pi3 is armv8
[8:49] <nicolas17> did anyone get debian aarch64 to work on the pi3?
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[8:51] <dreamon_> booting didnt worked. only those rainbow colors are visible. but no booting (first try)
[8:52] <oq> dreamon_: back on the pi2?
[8:53] <dreamon_> oq, runs without problems
[8:54] <dreamon_> I will make a 1:1 image and updates, so I will try again
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[9:04] <Berg> do we have a new OS dedicated to pi 3 yet?
[9:04] <Berg> i find jessie lite has problems
[9:08] <Syliss> i still need to get my pi3’s running
[9:08] <Syliss> i work way to much
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[9:21] <Berg> I asked my PC what to do and it said "I don't understand you Dave"
[9:24] <up2late> so your pc is a woman?
[9:26] <Berg> no
[9:26] <Berg> its all electro9ns rushiong about if that sounds like a woman then you deside
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[9:26] <Berg> but it has a male voice
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[9:28] <mundus2018> wut
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[9:29] <Berg> \more wut
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[9:34] <dreamon_> hmm.. after update, it still dont boot on PI3
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[10:41] <raspbian> yo guys!
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[10:53] <joe7dust> warcraft was not bad in 3d
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[10:53] <joe7dust> i watched 2d and 3d back to back, 3d is no comparison. blows 2d out of the water
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[10:55] <Lartza> I don't believe you
[10:55] <Lartza> Have you watched proper 3D movies?
[10:57] <joe7dust> like?
[10:58] <Lartza> I think recently only something like x-men or martian
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[10:59] <Lartza> I haven't really watched any 3D movies lately since all of them are fake, including Warcraft
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[11:31] <raspbian> yo guys, is it possible to multitask in with the pi?
[11:31] <raspbian> i mean like, Kodi + DNS server
[11:31] <raspbian> possiblr?
[11:32] <Lartza> Of course
[11:36] <mfa298> that's standard linux stuff, and the Pi is just a linux computer (just a small one)
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[11:44] <extrememist> So want all my Chinese products to show up tommorow
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[11:46] <H4ndy> I am already waiting 6 weeks on my USB power meter from China, I hate the waiting game as well
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[11:47] <SpeedEvil> So pay more for shipping
[11:47] <Lartza> Pay for EMS yeah
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[11:47] <raspbian> but doesnt most of the people run kodi on a separate OS?
[11:48] <H4ndy> where's the fun in that
[11:48] <Lartza> You can sure
[11:48] <Lartza> You could multitask on that OS too
[11:48] <oq> H4ndy: one of those? https://images-eu.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/819EUO1QIsL._SL1500_.jpg
[11:48] <Lartza> The possibilities are endless really
[11:48] <H4ndy> oq: yeah but a different one
[11:49] <oq> H4ndy: I have one of those, ordered with amazon, came in a couple of days
[11:49] <gordonDrogon> buy local, etc.
[11:49] <H4ndy> the one I ordered is only available from China. My boss is bringing two more when he returns next month as well so there is really no hurry
[11:50] <oq> why would it only be available from china?
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[11:51] * gordonDrogon shrugs.
[11:51] <H4ndy> oq: don't ask me, every seller I found ships it from hong kong
[11:52] <extrememist> Because 9/10 its made there H4ndy
[11:52] <H4ndy> yes, but for the more "popular" gagets usually someone stocks it in Europe at least and ships from there
[11:53] <extrememist> Nah because shipping is cheaper
[11:53] <H4ndy> but w/e I knew I was gonna wait for it a while, it most likely is already here waiting at customs to process it
[11:53] <oq> on amazon marketplace it usually tells you where the shipper is based
[11:53] <oq> you can just scroll down till you see one locally
[11:53] <H4ndy> like I said, at the time of order, there was none
[11:54] <H4ndy> I didn't even find a single sale on eBay for it. It was too new apparently
[11:54] <gordonDrogon> what's your target price?
[11:54] <H4ndy> does it matter?
[11:55] <gordonDrogon> if it doesn't them wander to your nearest maplin and buy: http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/maplin-usb-power-meter-n55ce
[11:55] <extrememist> Amazon really hates my country xD
[11:55] <extrememist> Like barely any ship here
[11:55] <H4ndy> I have a different one as state
[11:57] <H4ndy> also I would need a plane ticket to the UK first to do that, gordonDrogon ;)
[11:58] <gordonDrogon> hard to know where you are unless you tell us.
[12:00] <oq> south america?
[12:00] <H4ndy> No need to. It wasn't my first order from China and it won't be the last. I know that I can't order urgent stuff there without paying a premium
[12:00] <oq> a lot of the better chinese sites have warehouses based in the uk and america
[12:00] <oq> so you don't have to pay import duties
[12:01] <extrememist> I'm still awaiting my parcels from China..
[12:02] <extrememist> Been about a month or just under
[12:02] <oq> nowadays I pretty much just order from amazon and use their locker service so I don't have to wait around
[12:02] <extrememist> I'm a cheapass so I'll use China xD
[12:03] <extrememist> Because I don't have Amazon luxury oq
[12:04] <extrememist> 9/10 Amazon products don't ship to nz
[12:04] <oq> nz should be fairly close to china right?
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[12:05] <extrememist> Close enough xX
[12:05] <u-ou> im in nz
[12:05] <TheCubeLord> Mornin Everyone
[12:05] <extrememist> N or s u-ou
[12:05] <u-ou> s
[12:05] <extrememist> I'm n
[12:06] <extrememist> Pretty boring in the naki xD
[12:06] <TheCubeLord> whats going ON?!
[12:06] <TheCubeLord> I said HEY a Hey a Hey
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[12:06] <extrememist> Did you get into meth stash thecubelord because its hi how are you not how high are you :p :) hey
[12:07] <extrememist> u-ou you in chch or dun
[12:07] <TheCubeLord> extrememist, i said morning everyone
[12:07] <u-ou> d
[12:08] <TheCubeLord> what language is this?
[12:08] <extrememist> Damn got faster net than me I guess u-ou
[12:08] <extrememist> Don't worry thecubelord xD
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[12:08] <u-ou> :p
[12:08] <extrememist> I don't even have internet at my house
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[12:09] <extrememist> Hoping it'll be connected tomorrow u-ou that crappy adsl2+ x.x
[12:09] <u-ou> eh, me neither, atm
[12:09] <u-ou> kind of between situations
[12:09] <extrememist> Haha fun
[12:11] <extrememist> I've got to fix a modem / server tomorrow xD I broke the software
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[12:52] <TheCubeLord> hey Selavi
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[13:34] <TheCubeLord> umm
[13:34] <TheCubeLord> anyone?
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[13:35] <gordonDrogon> no one ..
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[13:45] <GerhardSchr> hi
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[13:50] <TheCubeLord> hoi
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[13:58] <kromag> hello
[13:58] <kromag> g'morn
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[14:11] <TheCubeLord> kromag, Scandinavian
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[14:15] <chunkyhead> can i chroot into a rpi arch-arm system with a normal computer
[14:15] <chunkyhead> normal computer = i(3/6)86
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[14:16] <Envil> @chunkyhead i think that is possible with qemu.
[14:17] <Chunkyz> hmm
[14:17] <project2501a> Hey guys. I practice karate. I wanna use a raspberry pi to count hits, power applied on the practice board, kicks performed and if i can correctness of form. besides a camera, what kind of sensors should I use to detect hits and power applied?
[14:18] <chunkyhead> project2501a: it was exactly my idea a few years ago. couldn't finish it though :(
[14:18] <project2501a> i know I will have to make a custom makiwara with some electronics built-in
[14:18] <chunkyhead> correctness of form is difficult to gauge
[14:18] <project2501a> chunkyhead: hehe. sensei says i need to improve my kicks so this is the first thing that came to mind
[14:19] <project2501a> chunkyhead: lots of Japan Karate Association videos online
[14:19] <chunkyhead> project2501a: good old punching bag would do :)
[14:19] <project2501a> i could use a trainer and manually point out the relevant joints
[14:19] <Envil> @chunkyhead See https://wiki.debian.org/QemuUserEmulation at the bottom, supposedly you just copy a qemu binary into a folder on the chroot environment and then can use it normally.
[14:19] <project2501a> chunkyhead: hmm yeah, simpler solutin
[14:19] <chunkyhead> Envil: thanks
[14:20] <chunkyhead> project2501a: im not joking. it seems crude but it is the best way. tech will only take you to a certain level. after that it's just you
[14:20] <project2501a> *sigh* yeah
[14:20] <project2501a> i know
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[14:21] <chunkyhead> not trying to demotivate you. i ordered proximity sensors a few days ago to measure hits :p
[14:21] <project2501a> chunkyhead: just got 3rd kyu yesterday and i wanna get the mawashi down before black belt.
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[14:22] <chunkyhead> bruh. that kick is the first thing you shoul learn. mawashi is like THE MOST BASIC KICK.
[14:22] <project2501a> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76MgBFVGjiE
[14:22] <project2501a> not if you are not good with openings
[14:22] <project2501a> my maigeri is better
[14:23] <project2501a> chunkyhead: besides, current association is not JKA, unfortunatelly :(
[14:24] <project2501a> i miss my JKA days.
[14:24] <project2501a> "I cannot go as fast."
[14:24] <project2501a> *slap* "Practice more"
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[14:25] <chunkyhead> project2501a: that is an illegal kick. the youtube link you shared.
[14:25] <project2501a> it's a JKA kick
[14:25] <chunkyhead> illegal as in wrt to wkf sparring standards
[14:25] <project2501a> ya
[14:25] <chunkyhead> yes
[14:26] <project2501a> JKA does not have many standards when it comes to sparring. even padding is minimal, if any.
[14:26] <project2501a> the standard advice is "don't get hit"
[14:27] <chunkyhead> haha
[14:27] <chunkyhead> makes sense :p
[14:27] <project2501a> it's a bit... traditional.
[14:27] <project2501a> i visited the dojo in japan and i got the the "baka gaijin" look.
[14:28] <chunkyhead> that's just sad
[14:28] <chunkyhead> mind if i pm you?
[14:28] <project2501a> sure!
[14:28] <fragmint> does #raspberrypi support rot26?
[14:30] <gordonDrogon> fragmint, sure - it's called the cat command...
[14:30] <chunkyhead> what's rot26?
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[14:30] <gordonDrogon> twice rot13 ..
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[14:30] <gordonDrogon> doubly secure...
[14:32] <chunkyhead> ouuu
[14:32] <chunkyhead> cipher
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[14:36] <chunkyhead> what's the tool where i can scan my network for connected devices?
[14:36] <chunkyhead> i can't remember the name
[14:37] <SpeedEvil> nmap?
[14:37] <chunkyhead> arp-scan
[14:37] <chunkyhead> nmap works too. but i lou arp-scan
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[14:43] <chunkyhead> errm guys.. what is the default arch arm password? root for root isn't working
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[14:45] <ap0calypse> pi//raspberry?
[14:45] <chunkyhead> yes
[14:47] <ap0calypse> password for root should be 'rootÄ
[14:47] <ap0calypse> '
[14:47] <ap0calypse> i mean 'root'
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[14:51] <yene> http://imgur.com/a/NwWos
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[15:07] <f4th0m> Hello
[15:07] <chunkyhead> i have the arch-arm sd card which i used to boot. is there any way i can remove password?
[15:08] <f4th0m> Do anyone here have a cubieboard? And experience with it's GPIO?
[15:09] <f4th0m> I would like to use a DHT22 with it, but the adafruit python stuff does not find the GPIO
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[15:32] <fragmint> does anybody else like hiding pis in inconspicous places waiting for people to find them?
[15:33] <fragmint> like inside peoples shoes, the tires of their cars, inside their food, etc
[15:34] <fragmint> jam one inside slot-loading CD drives
[15:34] <ap0calypse> erm no
[15:36] <fragmint> I guess that last ones a little too far, it might make it hard to feed my computer
[15:36] * fragmint goes back to jamming doritos inside his DVD player
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[15:47] <fragmint> great, my connections flaking out. =/
[15:47] * fragmint runs off to water his router
[15:48] <Chillum> fragmint: putting your foot in a shoe with a pie sounds like a way to get a grid of gpio shaped holes in your foot
[15:49] <Chillum> my favourite hiding spot is integrated into a power strip
[15:49] * fragmint shrugs
[15:49] <fragmint> I'd just be like "so THATS where I put that pi!"
[15:49] <Chillum> the pi zero and a little 5v adapted fits nicely
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[15:49] <fragmint> 7805 for a pi good enough or is that a nono due to the thing being effing ancient?
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[15:52] <SpeedEvil> It's fine.
[15:52] <SpeedEvil> It will produce 1.5A properly heatsunk.
[15:52] <SpeedEvil> You do need ~7.2V or so to get 5.0V out
[15:53] <fragmint> jeebus, I thought you never wanted to do more than .5a through the things
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[15:53] <fragmint> I never bothered doing anything more than a ~1-1.5" heatsink on them though
[15:56] <SpeedEvil> They can do 30W dissipation
[15:56] <SpeedEvil> Up to 27V in with 1.5A out
[15:57] <SpeedEvil> However, SMPSs are cheap these days, and avoiding them is strange.
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[15:57] <h4k1m> hello everyone
[15:58] <fragmint> I've got a stack of forrest mims books and radioshack manuals
[15:58] <h4k1m> can I use a 2.0Amp charger to supply power to a RPi3?
[15:58] <fragmint> then I remember its all stuff that while mostly still available probably shouldn't be used due to there being better alternatives
[15:59] <ap0calypse> h4k1m: if its 5V, yes
[16:00] <h4k1m> ap0calypse: I've read somewhere that it requires a 2.5Amp instead (maybe it's just for intensive applications).
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[16:00] <h4k1m> I believe it was on their website
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[16:02] <Valduare> morning
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[16:12] <streulma> I'm running 32bit binnarys on the pi :-)
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[16:12] <streulma> trying to run the pi as main system lol
[16:13] <streulma> who was asking for running Wine on the Pi ?
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[16:15] <SpeedEvil> wine can't run on the pi (for x86)
[16:15] <SpeedEvil> In principle you could do wine for arm windows.
[16:15] <SpeedEvil> But sems unliekly
[16:16] <streulma> I'm running x86 on Pi :-) SpeedEvil...
[16:16] <SpeedEvil> Not solely using wine
[16:16] <SpeedEvil> Unless there is now an emulation layer
[16:16] <SpeedEvil> Or you're also using qemu
[16:17] <streulma> yes qemu-user-static with qemu-system-i386
[16:17] <ap0calypse> that works?
[16:18] <streulma> yes :-)
[16:18] <ap0calypse> lol
[16:18] <streulma> he is now updating ca_certificates
[16:18] <SpeedEvil> What speed though.
[16:18] <streulma> I have buyed a Pi for a friend who is running the Pi as TV pc
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[16:19] <streulma> otherwise he buyed an Airport Express...
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[16:19] <streulma> now he could use as PC :D
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[16:28] <up2late> holy shit what did i wake up to?
[16:28] <up2late> people are crazy
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[16:34] <Melamo> hard to argue with that
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[16:40] <curlyears> up2late: LANGUAGE. Family friendly channel
[16:40] <up2late> lol
[16:41] <Zardoz> .
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[16:45] <armin> hi. i tried doing a "loadkeys de" on a fresh raspbian installation, but i get "cannot open file de". any hint?
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[16:47] <armin> i know that raspi-config would just work, but i want to know why the obvious and standard way doesn't work.
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[16:48] <curlyears> maybe raspian doesn't implement the "loadkeys" functionality
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[16:56] <armin> hm.
[16:56] <armin> i tried using raspi-config to set the keyboard layout and that also failed...
[16:56] <armin> any idea?
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[17:02] <shauno> armin: try apt install console-data
[17:02] <shauno> that should bring in the keymaps, then you can load them however you like
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[17:04] <armin> /etc/default/keyboard is the place to go it seems.
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[17:04] <armin> shauno: ty
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[17:05] <armin> shauno: that does the job indeed. thanks a lot for your help.
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[18:31] <f4th0m> Hello
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[18:31] <f4th0m> Does anyone here have a cubieborad?
[18:32] <f4th0m> Or could anyone help with gpio stuff, possible making adafruit's python library working on cubie?
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[18:35] <gordonDrogon> just Pi's here ...
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[18:38] <jq> Anyone know the cheapest way to have the pi3 display converted to rgb cables?
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[18:42] <SpeedEvil> RGB for what?
[18:42] <SpeedEvil> At what framerate, ...
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[18:42] <jq> SpeedEvil: Well definitely not a low framerate lol
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[18:43] <jq> To hook up my pi to the stock screen in my caR
[18:43] <jq> All the video interfaces to use the stock screen only have rgb inputs for video
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[18:48] <SpeedEvil> Not composite?
[18:50] <jq> Not from what I've found so far
[18:51] <jq> There doesn't seem to be many different kits for it
[18:51] <SpeedEvil> Is it PAL?
[18:51] <SpeedEvil> frequency
[18:51] <oq> jq: component?
[18:52] <oq> jq: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/Component_video_jack.jpg?
[18:52] <jq> Actually I found one now that's composite, but it's like $400 compared to $150
[18:52] <jq> SpeedEvil: Says NTSC/PAL auto detection
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[19:14] <realies> hey
[19:14] <sir_galahad_ad> hey
[19:14] <realies> has anyone seen short Pi Zero CSI cable?
[19:15] <realies> just found out it's smaller than the normal one
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[19:15] <oq> realies: I've only seen the normal one
[19:15] <realies> I wonder where to buy it from
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[19:16] <oq> realies: the normal one?
[19:16] <realies> yeah
[19:16] <oq> realies: what country are you in?
[19:16] <realies> UK
[19:16] <oq> adafruit, pimoroni, thepihut sell it
[19:16] <oq> £4 + £2 shipping
[19:17] <realies> ha, adafruit has uk warehouse?
[19:17] <nicolas17> be careful with those websites... you buy something, then find another interesting component, buy that too, and before you know it you're broke
[19:17] <oq> realies: https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/camera-cable-raspberry-pi-zero-edition
[19:17] <nicolas17> sparkfun has the same problem *_*
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[19:18] <realies> I wonder if'd be possible to trim the ribbon lol
[19:18] <realies> I want it to be as short as possible
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[19:19] <nicolas17> what is [bioset]? I have about 26 kernel threads called that in raspbian
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[19:46] <Habbie> extor, you are
[19:46] <Habbie> extor, but no tools required it says
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[19:49] <extor> I don't like the idea of a missing keyboard though. I guess maybe one pops up on the touchscreen. Reminds me of that old maddox blog.
[19:49] <nicolas17> "maybe one pops up on the touchscreen" that's how tablets work :P
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[19:49] <nicolas17> but hey, isn't that a pi3?
[19:50] <nicolas17> built-in bluetooth, add your own wireless keyboard
[19:50] <extor> Notice the part about the "legacy keyboard" http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone
[19:51] <extor> Hmm wireless everything. I don't mind wires that much personally, why would you need wifi when the kbd and screen are right next to each other ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[19:51] <nicolas17> because most keyboards small enough to be comfortable on a small tablet are bluetooth, not usb :P
[19:52] <extor> it seems like the pis are not just made to encourage programming software, but also to encourage hardware tinkering but I could be wrong http://cdn.instructables.com/FGP/OTHJ/H6MF3J1K/FGPOTHJH6MF3J1K.MEDIUM.jpg
[19:52] <nicolas17> indeed!
[19:53] <extor> Minitiarization of keyboards for something that's sitting on a desk is not really what I would want to experience tbh
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[19:55] <Berg> we need a portable desktop
[19:55] <extor> yeah so maybe a folding keyboard that becomes largeer
[19:55] * Berg puts wheels on his desk
[19:56] <extor> Oh that reminds me, a couple of years ago I grabbed this amazing cheap kbd off ebay which was made of all rubber and could fold like a burrito and unfold into an ordinary sized keyboard and was super thin and it did work
[19:56] <nicolas17> I bought a $10 keyboard to use on the raspi because the two in the house were PS/2
[19:57] <extor> The idea was to be able to wash the kbd easily, wipe it clean. Because it turns out that the average kbd has more germs than a toilet seat
[19:57] <nicolas17> amazing piece of crap, after pretty light use I have some keys on the left that need some force to be detected
[19:57] <nicolas17> and the USB cable has some contact problems too
[19:57] <extor> usb kbds are all over the place though
[19:58] <nicolas17> extor: it *was* $10, I didn't expect miracles :P
[19:58] <extor> This rubber one is a miracle at $20 https://www.branders.com/product/custom-full-size-flexible-waterproof-keyboards-134216/?quantity=1&print_method=sample&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=134216-Sample-1&utm_content=97751498284&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=[ADL]+[PLA]+[Shopping]+-+Categories&utm_device=c&kshid=p.401.6e49820b-06c3-451d-a90d-fe682e3eb59f.175478&mm_keyword=134216-Sample-1&mm_campaign=5EF36C2345DE7278121EE97346D8D16C&mm_replace=TRUE&gclid=CNKX4vSH
[19:58] <extor> o80CFVA8gQod0KsOLA&kwid=productads-adid^97751498284-device^c-plaid^234137624164-sku^134216@ADL4Sample@ADL41-adType^PLA
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[19:59] <extor> Oh my https://www.amazon.com/HDE-Silicone-Keyboard-Macbook-Notebooks/dp/B007TAQBTS
[20:00] <nicolas17> well that's not a keyboard :P
[20:00] <extor> ouch I just noticed that
[20:00] <extor> But if it were, that would be cool looking, like a semi visible ocean creature
[20:01] <curlyears> extor: they are explicitly made to encourage hardware tinkering
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[20:02] <extor> curlyears, yeah would be nice if they also were made to encourage firmware tinkering like PIC controllers or whatever they're called. Then people could start making gadgets with them too.
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[20:04] <curlyears> extor: excuse, please? Assembly level ("machine language") programming is not push on the Pi for a fairly good reason. The assembly language for an ARM is especially difficult to use, compared to something like an AVR or a PIC
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[20:05] <extor> curlyears, yeah that's a bit of a disspointment
[20:05] <curlyears> Also, extor, RPI parlance is a bit out of sync with the rest of us. "Firmware" to most of us resides in a Read Only Memory (ROM), *NOT* an SDHC card
[20:06] <curlyears> extor: well, you can have a choice: the power of the ARM8, or the simplicity of the AVR & PIC.
[20:06] * extor googles SDHC
[20:07] <nicolas17> high-capacity SD card
[20:07] <extor> that's just for storing data, not holding code
[20:07] <curlyears> extor: you have just proven your ignorance
[20:07] <extor> Well not holding bootstrap code that is interfaced with instructional chips
[20:07] <nicolas17> where will you put the code then? :P
[20:08] <curlyears> why do you think you have to have an SD card with an O/S on it to boot your Pi?
[20:08] <extor> There's initial boostrap initialization code though, which in PCs would be in bios chips
[20:08] <nicolas17> yeah the pi obviously has that too
[20:08] <extor> After that bootstrap code I thought it then went to the equivalent of the kernel and drivers stored in storage media
[20:09] <nicolas17> at the very least to understand config.txt and the FAT32 filesystem it is in
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[20:09] <curlyears> BIOS "chips" are used in general purpose computers like CP/M, PCs, MACs (they don't CALL it a BIOS, but it is), to provide a consistent software interfrace to the hardware.
[20:09] <extor> and that code must be burned into some tiny chip, possibly even the ARM though I doubt in the ARM
[20:10] <curlyears> N, the Pi has no "BIOS"
[20:10] <extor> well there's a project called etherboot which allows people to boot a kernel residing on the BIOS chip itself btw
[20:10] <nicolas17> curlyears: it *has* to have some bootstrap code to read the boot partition from the SD card
[20:11] <curlyears> The Pi jumps to a specific address near the end of the address space when it resets.
[20:11] <extor> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPXE <--- kernel code living on a bios chip
[20:11] <nicolas17> and what is mapped in that address?
[20:11] <nicolas17> a ROM? internal flash?
[20:11] <BurtyB> ROM is ROM
[20:11] <curlyears> nicolas17: yes, but "bootstrap code" != "BIOS" Bios is an acronym for Basic Input/Output System
[20:12] <nicolas17> oh sure
[20:12] <nicolas17> but I didn't once use the term BIOS :P
[20:12] <extor> Fine, I did
[20:12] <nicolas17> also, then you could say modern x86 computers don't have a BIOS either, they have EFI
[20:13] <extor> I think video cards, hard disks and probably even SD cards have tiny bootstrap code living on them which initializes when they power up
[20:13] <curlyears> nicolas17: that is exactly correct, actuall;y
[20:13] <nicolas17> extor: yes
[20:13] <extor> I know hard drives sure do, the mechanical ones are very complex
[20:13] <curlyears> BIOS for most people is a thing of the past
[20:13] <nicolas17> extor: in the pi it's a bit weird because the GPU starts the boot process!
[20:14] <extor> And then everything synchs up and starts talking to each other and working in unison
[20:14] <extor> nicolas17, ahh so the GPU probably boots first so it can send a vidya signal out to let people know it;s starting
[20:14] <curlyears> extor: correct. But again, "BIOS" != "bootstrap code"
[20:14] <nicolas17> I don't know if that's the reason
[20:15] <nicolas17> but yes, in this SoC, the GPU bootstraps the CPU, which is unusual at least to me :P
[20:15] <extor> Well GPUs and CPUs are both processors anyway. So it doesn't surprise me that a pi GPU does some work that a CPU might do. GPUs are really complex nowadays and even mine bitcoin and do other stuff with math equations
[20:15] <curlyears> Systems on Chip often do seemingly normal things in seemingly abnormal ways
[20:15] <nicolas17> GPUs are vector processors that fit really well *for* maths like mining bitcoins
[20:16] <nicolas17> anything mathy is more normal on a GPU than booting a system :P
[20:16] <extor> I heard mining is now down by ASIC chips
[20:16] <nicolas17> yeah
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[20:16] <extor> I think ASIC chips also have a programmable version called VLSI or something. Would be nice if pis came with one of those too but they don't
[20:17] <extor> I remember dreaming about one day learning to program VLSIs to mine bitcoins but that was too advanced for me
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[20:17] <curlyears> extor: there are a limmited number of possible "valid" bitcoin number in the definition, and so each time someone finds one, it becomes that much more time consuming to locate another.
[20:17] <ali1234> no
[20:17] <ali1234> that's not how it works at all
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[20:18] <curlyears> I believe that is a big problem, because once it reaches saturationm, and people can't "mine" them anymore, people will lose interest, and those holding large numbers of them will see their value decrease markedly, if not totally
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[20:19] <nicolas17> yeah it doesn't get harder for every block mined
[20:19] <ali1234> it doesn't even necessarily get harder for every 2016 blocks mined
[20:19] <nicolas17> every N days (I don't remember the number), the difficulty is adjusted depending on how many were found in the previous time period
[20:19] <extor> you're thinking mining is the only reason the bitcoin economy keeps going. It's not. Exchanging them is the real reason for their conception.
[20:20] <curlyears> \it doesn't get "harder," it gets more time consuming. "Mining" is essentially locating numbers that meet the criteria and *ALSO* haven't already been "registered."
[20:20] <nicolas17> if people stop mining, and blocks are found slower, on the next difficulty adjustment it will get easier, which motivates them to come back
[20:20] <ali1234> curlyears: nope.
[20:20] <extor> Come to think of it, I think a lot of bitcoins are being "lost" because people lose their wallets so reclaiming those btc may become the future target of mass processing
[20:20] <nicolas17> extor: how, by brute-forcing the private keys? :P
[20:21] <extor> nicolas17, possibly yes
[20:21] <nicolas17> you might as well do it for non-"lost" wallets
[20:21] <curlyears> ali1234: a good friend of mine was the proprietor of a small bitcoin bank, and had his own ASIC based mining operation. He explained the math in great detail to me
[20:21] <nicolas17> but it's not that simple, the search space would take centuries
[20:21] <ali1234> curlyears: "harder" and "more time consuming" are literally the same thing... the whole reason for variable difficulty is in order to keep the block time constant
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[20:22] <ali1234> curlyears: also it is perfectly valid to re-use a nonce value
[20:22] <extor> nicolas17, they may alter the rules so that if your wallet has not been synched with the "hive" for lets say 5 years, it's considered abandoned and then it's contents can be made open to all who can find it. Well actually that sounds really contorted, I don't know if that would even work
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[20:22] <nicolas17> extor: all wallets are already "open" to anyone who can find the private key :P
[20:22] <extor> nicolas17, that's scary
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[20:23] <nicolas17> extor: just like your email account is open to anyone who has your password...
[20:23] <curlyears> ali1234: that makes absolutely no sense
[20:23] <ali1234> curlyears: maybe not to you :)
[20:23] <ali1234> it's not an easy topic, to be fair
[20:23] <extor> nicolas17, old fashioned banks still have their place then, no sane person would do everything with cryptocurrencies if what you said was true.
[20:24] <nicolas17> extor: why? anyone with my home banking password can get my money too
[20:24] <nicolas17> that's how this security works anywhere...
[20:24] <curlyears> the reason everyone who is serious about bitcoin mining ios going ASIC is that software only solutions, and even hardware4 assisted solutions, are too slow. It takes so long to locate a new bitcoin it isn't economically feasible without ASIC supported speed
[20:24] <extor> nicolas17, but you can report that and get them chased after
[20:25] <nicolas17> extor: ah yep, bitcoins are like cash in that aspect
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[20:25] <extor> nicolas17, actually I think cash now has rdids and always did have serial numbers
[20:25] <nicolas17> bitcoins sort of have identifiers too
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[20:25] <nicolas17> not sure how that helps you :P
[20:25] <curlyears> bitcoins *ARE* identifiers, in herently
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[20:26] <extor> yeah all btc transactions are public technically speaking. yet people still think it's an anonymous currency
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[20:26] <extor> It's less anonymous than cash certainly lol
[20:26] <nicolas17> extor: if someone steals your cash, you have to track him down and send police and the serial numbers may help you prove the money is yours... you can do the same and not much more with bitcoins :P
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[20:27] <ali1234> curlyears: that also isn't quite true. the difficulty went up because of ASICs, not the other way around
[20:27] <ali1234> if all the ASIC miners stopped, the difficulty would go down again (eventually)
[20:27] <curlyears> nicolas17: except getting the police to assist you in investigating the loss maybe much more difficult with bitcoins\
[20:27] <extor> nicolas17, yeah except to steal cash you got to be physically next to the victim, but to steal btc you can do it from the other side of the planet
[20:28] <ali1234> it would take a really long time though, if they all stopped at once
[20:28] <nicolas17> ali1234: yeah, I was inaccurate, difficulty is recalculated every N blocks, not N days :P
[20:28] <curlyears> ali1234: I'm done. You make no sense at all. The ALGORITHM for bitcoins remains the same, and wlays will
[20:28] <ali1234> but supposing half of them stopped... the difficulty would drop by half after approx 4 weeks
[20:28] <nicolas17> curlyears: you don't know what the "difficulty" factor does...
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[20:29] <nicolas17> people started mining with ASICs, that meant more blocks being mined per day across the network, that made the difficulty go up
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[20:30] <curlyears> it doesn't matter HOW the bitcoins are mined. Each valid bitcoin identified iincreases the "difficulty" of finding another one, because it removes bitcoins from the set of possible bitcoins that are not yet "found"
[20:30] <nicolas17> lol
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[20:31] <nicolas17> that's absolutely wrong
[20:31] <nicolas17> bitcoins aren't "found"
[20:31] <curlyears> \they are identified. That's why the word "found" is used. They also aren't "mined"
[20:31] <nicolas17> there isn't a "set of possible bitcoins"
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[20:32] <nicolas17> there is a number in the code that says "the maximum bitcoins are N"
[20:32] <ali1234> no, bitcoins aren't even identified. blocks are identified, and the number of valid blocks is extremely large
[20:32] <nicolas17> "bitcoins" don't even have an identity by themselves
[20:32] <ali1234> however, difficulty adjusts to limit the number which can be found in a given time period
[20:32] <nicolas17> thus they can be split to pretty small fractions
[20:32] <curlyears> nicolas17: oh, there *IS* a set of all possible bitcoins. I don't recall off hand, but I believe the number of weleemtns in that set is on the order of 10 billion
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[20:33] <nicolas17> it's not a set, it's a "stop mining after N blocks are in the network" (or well, actually, "stop accepting bitcoins that people claim to have mined after block N")
[20:33] <curlyears> all a bitcoin "block" is, is an encrypted represntation of the value of a very large unique number.
[20:34] <nicolas17> haha no
[20:34] <ali1234> lolno
[20:34] <curlyears> that number has to meet all kiunds of mathematical requirements to be considered a valid bitcoin
[20:34] <nicolas17> blocks have the history of all transactions done in the network since the previous block, which is extremely different from what you said :P
[20:35] <curlyears> so blocks keep getting larger and larger?
[20:35] <ali1234> the blockchain keeps getting larger, yes
[20:35] <curlyears> asymptotically infinit
[20:35] <ali1234> since it contains a record of every transaction ever
[20:35] <nicolas17> curlyears: if the network gets more and more active...
[20:35] <BurtyB> it's bit enough already :p
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[20:35] <ali1234> yes, this is actually a big problem for bitcoin
[20:35] <ozzzy> I don't see the usefulness of bitcoins unless you're in the russian mafia or a drug cartel
[20:35] <curlyears> the block CHAIN keesp getting large, the BLOCKS don't
[20:35] <nicolas17> indeed
[20:35] <ali1234> the blocks are size limited
[20:35] <ali1234> they can't be larger than 1MB
[20:35] <nicolas17> blocks only have the transactions *since the previous one*, so they don't grow infinitely
[20:37] <curlyears> bitcoins are a synthetic "currently" based on extremely complex and tedious mathematical computations
[20:37] <ali1234> this is true
[20:37] <curlyears> they havwe no "reality" whatsoever
[20:37] <curlyears> currency
[20:38] <curlyears> ali: if the block size is limited to 1MB, therre is clearly a limit to how many transactions can be stored in one. In a worldwide economy, that limit would be suffocatingly small
[20:39] <ali1234> curlyears: yes, that is also true, like i said, this is a big problem for bitcoin
[20:39] <nicolas17> to make a valid block you have to try lots of possibilities of a number inside it, until the hash of the resulting piece of data fits a certain requirement, and changing that requirement is what changes the difficulty
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[20:39] <curlyears> ali1234: but that is because the algorith that defines a valid bitcoin can only define a finite number of bitcoins
[20:39] <ozzzy> the problem with bitcoin is that it's not under the oversight of any authority
[20:40] <nicolas17> no, the limit of worldwide bitcoins is artificial
[20:40] <nicolas17> the creator decided there will be 21 million and set it that way
[20:40] <curlyears> and what is your estimate of how many have been identified?
[20:41] <ali1234> non, but almost exactly 3/4 have been generated
[20:41] <nicolas17> "The number of Bitcoins generated per block starts at 50 and is halved every 210,000 blocks (about four years)." is a completely arbitrary constant in the code
[20:41] <curlyears> don't misunderstand me, I think the creator of bitcoins is an absolutely BRILLIANT individual
[20:41] <nicolas17> it's not inherent to the algorithm
[20:41] <curlyears> just not very far-sighted
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[20:42] <yene> why should switch to rare metal based coins
[20:42] <curlyears> yene:?
[20:42] <yene> sry typo, i think for some countries with weak currencies bitcoin is a good solutions
[20:43] <ozzzy> and how will that help them
[20:44] <yene> more security, bitcoin will not just close down like a bank
[20:44] <ozzzy> it could drop to close to 0 value
[20:44] <nicolas17> ozzzy: no different than company stock :P
[20:44] <ozzzy> the same as any other currency
[20:44] <curlyears> as I recall, it is now estimated that the cost of electricty to run the hardware that runs the software the "mines" bitcoins (not including ASICs) is greater thaan the putative value of the bitcoins, which is why ASIC is now the only econommically viable sapproach
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[20:45] <ali1234> curlyears: that has always been true since the early days
[20:46] <ali1234> even ASIC mining can be unprofitable unless you have the cheapest electricity
[20:46] <nicolas17> well you have to consider future value
[20:46] <nicolas17> I did CPU mining and stopped because it wasn't worth it
[20:46] <nicolas17> the value of bitcoins went up a few orders of magnitude since then
[20:47] <curlyears> well, when all is said and done, bitcoin and the synthetic economy they creat is a fasdcinating experiment, but one which I for one have no desire to participate in
[20:47] <nicolas17> so the bitcoins I generated back then ended up being worth it and I regret stopping
[20:47] <yene> bitcoin will always increase in value
[20:47] <BurtyB> except when it doesn't
[20:47] <ali1234> lol
[20:48] <ozzzy> yene, except when it falls like a stone eh?
[20:48] <ali1234> BurtyB: price goes up a tiny bit and look what happens :)
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[20:48] <curlyears> yene: not if people tire of the uniqueness of the econmy they evolve
[20:49] <curlyears> what is the current value of a bitcoin?
[20:49] <ali1234> most bitcoin users are very young and don't really understand how an economy works anyway, they won't get tired of it
[20:49] <ali1234> about $630
[20:49] <yene> if someone dies or loses his coins they dont go back into the pool, which means even in a stable value they should decrease, which means increase in value
[20:49] <extor> I thought ASICs took hardly any power and the main cost associated with ASICs was their production. It's GPUs that suck up huge amounts of electricity
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[20:50] <curlyears> so the 3D printer and scanner I bought that cost me aluittle over $3K would cost about 5 bitcoins?
[20:50] <nicolas17> yes
[20:50] <nicolas17> curlyears: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=3000+USD+to+BTC&t=ffab&ia=currency
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[20:52] <curlyears> and, (not unlike checks anymore) all you need to do is find a vendor that sells what you needs and is willing to accept bitcoins. Sounds like a piece of cake
[20:52] <ali1234> that's why i shop at pimoroni
[20:53] <curlyears> pimoroni can't sell me ground beef, or hot peppers, or cheese (the bulk of my diet), so that does ME no good, ali1234
[20:54] <ali1234> why are you in this channel if you don't buy raspberry pi stuff?
[20:54] <curlyears> and don't think that dealing only in bitcoins will free you from government taxes, either. The U.S> Government found a way to charge income tax os people who exchanged goods only through barter.
[20:54] <ali1234> bitcoin is no good for buying stuff in the real world anyway
[20:55] <ali1234> it's only useful for buying stuff online
[20:55] <yene> real world? whats that
[20:55] <curlyears> oh, I have some Pi stuff (particularly, I have a Pi2B+ and a Pio3B+, as well as some doodads that came along weith them as part of the "starter kit"
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[20:56] <curlyears> s/Pio/Pi/
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[20:58] <Zardoz> lmao, I just got a pib+ for $6 at a thrift store had a case too.
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[21:03] <curlyears> Zardoz: does it work?
[21:03] <curlyears> Pi2B+?
[21:04] <Zardoz> testing it now.
[21:04] <Zardoz> not a 2b+ just a b+
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[21:04] <Zardoz> we have pi
[21:06] <yene> how much is the PI 2 at the moment?
[21:06] <H__> I cannot find any anymore
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[21:13] <Zardoz> curlyears: seem to be working fine
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[21:19] <curlyears> Zardoz: Mahzel Tov
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[21:27] <curlyears> here's an interesting tidbit. The word "glitch" came to the English language from the Yiddish
[21:28] <curlyears> apparently, a considerable amount of modern Hebrew is derived from the Yiddish
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[21:29] <Zardoz> it was my thought that yiddish and Heberw has a lot of common things.
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[21:48] <curlyears> Hebrew is the official language of Israel, and th4e l;anguage of the Torah. Yiddish is a "pidgin" language shared widely throughout Eastern Europe by peasnats, most Jewishones, but not exclusively
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[22:12] <KD8NXH-Michigan> Does the new Pi 3 have an audio input device? If I am not mistaken the previous Pi's didn't have one.
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[22:14] <BurtyB> KD8NXH-Michigan, it doesn't have one
[22:15] <Berg> it has a audio out jack
[22:16] <Berg> in stero even
[22:16] <Berg> sterio
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[22:26] <curlyears> KD8NXH-Michigan: you'll have to develop your own audio input module, converting the audio to digital, then feeding it to the Pi over the GPIO header
[22:28] <abnormal> stereo
[22:28] <stiv> or use a usb audio module?
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[22:31] <Berg> stireo
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[23:04] <raspbian> what do you guys prefer?
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[23:05] <raspbian> a 32GB sd card or 2 16GB for your pi
[23:05] <raspbian> for other OSes and such
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[23:09] <curlyears> raspbian: it depends on how you intend to use them. I would find either claustrophobic, as I like to download lots of technical papers, specifications sheets, and circuit diagrams
[23:09] <PhotoJim> I'm using a 32, a 16 and an 8 in my 3 Pis that I'm actively using
[23:10] <curlyears> I have some 64GB SDHC cards
[23:10] <PhotoJim> curlyears: I store all that stuff on my server.
[23:10] <curlyears> Photojim: there you go again! *grin*\
[23:10] <raspbian> how much size does a normal system mostly take ?
[23:11] <PhotoJim> :)
[23:11] <curlyears> PhotoJim: I only have 6.75TB available on my "server" so I have to watch it...*heh heh*
[23:11] <PhotoJim> raspbian: I find if you don't store tons of stuff locally, 4 is doable but really tight, 8 is slightly tight, 16 is roomy and 32 is very roomy. index up a size if you like to store stuff locally. index up more sizes if your idea of "stuff" is 64 GB of MP3s or something :)
[23:12] <PhotoJim> curlyears: heh. time to rebuild?
[23:12] <curlyears> raspian you can easily run a system on a 4GB SDHC card, so long as you store most f your active data off=line, or on another system, like PhotoJim` does
[23:12] <PhotoJim> I wouldn't go with a 4 but you could if you needed to
[23:12] <PhotoJim> I'd go with an 8 today, because stuff tends to grow
[23:13] <PhotoJim> but bigger cards aren't huge money
[23:13] <raspbian> so if I gonna use my RPi for OpenELEC and RetroPi, should I just buy a "big" SD card and load berryboot?
[23:13] <curlyears> PhotoJim: this is likely the last computer I will ever purchase. I have no more monmebny, am 64, totally disabled. I think I'll just have to learn to live with this
[23:13] <PhotoJim> curlyears: you can make it work if you need to
[23:14] <curlyears> I supposee, PhotoJim, but it hurts to let go of my dream of a 256bit 100Ghz system with 256GB of RAM and 256Exabytes of mass storage
[23:15] <curlyears> *giggle*
[23:15] <raspbian> XD
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[23:15] <ozzzy> nobody will ever need more than 640K of ram
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[23:16] <curlyears> YEAH! So sayeth the "most intelkligent man inthe world," Bill Gates (boo hisssss, sign of thr cross)
[23:16] <raspbian> "so if I gonna use my RPi for OpenELEC and RetroPi, should I just buy a "big" SD card and load berryboot? "
[23:16] <ozzzy> my Wang 2200 had 120K of ram
[23:17] <curlyears> raspbian: seems a reasonable conclusion
[23:17] <Valduare> ozzzy: maybe he was meaning dollars :P
[23:17] <raspbian> great
[23:17] <raspbian> so 32/64 ? XD
[23:17] <Valduare> raspbian: put your rootfs on flash drive or usb hdd
[23:18] <raspbian> how is that possible?
[23:18] <curlyears> if you can afford them, 64s. I just got one off a CXhinese vendor fr $14.95, with feree shipping. GRanted it took 3 weeks to arrive via "Airmail" but hey
[23:18] <raspbian> I still don't actually have a raspberry pi so im only asking haha
[23:18] <raspbian> i think i'd buy it tomorrow
[23:18] <raspbian> hope so
[23:19] <Valduare> you can have the bootup stuff on sd card and the rootfs on usb
[23:19] <curlyears> So longh as you're not looking for Pi0, you should have no problem finding one tomorrow
[23:19] <raspbian> what's rootfs?
[23:19] <Valduare> eventually the pi3 will have pxe boot or real booting straight off usb
[23:19] <Valduare> rootfs is all of your files basically
[23:19] <Valduare> all of the libraries and directories etc
[23:20] <curlyears> \raspbian: root file system. Linux has a "default" home direcrtory of "/" which is read as "root"
[23:20] <raspbian> and btw
[23:20] <raspbian> i'm not sure i'd be able to get one tomorrow, the only store in my country is 100KM from me
[23:20] <curlyears> raspbian: where are you located?
[23:20] <raspbian> Israel \=
[23:21] <curlyears> ahhh
[23:21] <curlyears> Mahzel Tov
[23:21] <raspbian> XD
[23:21] <raspbian> oh, I knew what root was, never knew rootfs was the same thing
[23:21] <curlyears> 100Km is roughly an hours drive at normal highway speeds
[23:21] <raspbian> yep
[23:22] <raspbian> though i've got a friend who lives nearby so he might get me one when he's near me
[23:22] <curlyears> I have no clue how developed the roads in Israel are, how many highways they havem as opposed to trails through the desert, and so on
[23:22] <raspbian> XDDDDDD
[23:22] <raspbian> it's not a third world country you know
[23:22] <raspbian> we got real
[23:22] <raspbian> legit
[23:22] <raspbian> highways
[23:23] <curlyears> I know that, but as I said, I have no clue HOW developed they ar
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[23:23] <raspbian> though most of the drivers drive like shit
[23:23] <raspbian> they are :P
[23:23] <curlyears> OK
[23:23] <raspbian> it should take an hour to get there
[23:24] <curlyears> I guess I tend to think of Israel as a collection of isolated centers of high civilation (silly of me, I suppose)
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[23:25] <raspbian> its not that far-iff
[23:25] <raspbian> off*
[23:25] <raspbian> its quite right
[23:26] <curlyears> raspbian: basicly, all the stuff you need to bootstrap the Pi is stored on the SD card, under /boot. Then, once booted, yo0ur startup script issues a chroot command, and resets root to point to the USB that has your rootfs on it
[23:26] <raspbian> the center of israel(Tel Aviv) is one of the most crowded places on earth
[23:26] <raspbian> oh
[23:26] <curlyears> Even more crowded than Tokyo? *heh*
[23:27] <raspbian> are there any guides on that/
[23:27] <curlyears> so once you're booted up, you can remove the boot SD and replace it with another, for file storage, if you choose
[23:28] <curlyears> raspian: I haven't looked myself, but I would be shocked if there aren't more such guides than you can shake a stick (or a schtick) at
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[23:29] <curlyears> raspian: you may fine this of interest: here's an interesting tidbit. The word "glitch" came to the English language from the Yiddish
[23:30] <curlyears> I discovered that earlier this afternoon
[23:30] <curlyears> thought it very interesting
[23:31] <curlyears> almost time for me to start cooking
[23:31] <raspbian> yeah, but i dont actually speak yiddish :P
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[23:40] <majorshake> Is there a BASIC that runs only in text mode?
[23:40] <majorshake> so that I can use it over ssh
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[23:43] <illwrks> Hi all, quick and noob question... on the zero 1.3 does a usb wifi have to be plugged into the OTG usb, or can it go into the power usb?
[23:43] <mfa298> illwrks: the power usb is just that, power only, no data connections
[23:44] <illwrks> mfa298: great thank you.
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