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IRC Log for 2016-07-26

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[0:10] <noalternative> I am having problems setting up cups. When I access the configuration page, and try to add a printer, I get a forbidden error when I click that page
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[0:11] <curlyears> Donald Trump says he wants to stifle the Internet: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/07/22/1550852/-Donald-Trump-said-he-would-close-the-Internet?detail=email&link_id=1&can_id=bde8d51c8facb3f95993722b6ed72559&source=email-donald-trump-said-he-would-close-the-internet&email_referrer=donald-trump-said-he-would-close-the-internet&email_subject=donal
[0:11] <curlyears> d-trump-said-he-would-close-the-internet
[0:11] <noalternative> I used these instructions. https://getpocket.com/a/read/413327186
[0:13] <curlyears> noalternative: nothing at that URL but a login page fro some "service" or wen site I have never heard of
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[0:15] <pksato> noalternative: not have any dificult to install cups. install cupsd and access manager page http://localhost:631/
[0:15] <pksato> humm... https?
[0:16] <pksato> some browser not accept selfsigned cert used by cups.
[0:17] <noalternative> sorry getpocket gave me a preview page, which you can't access because you are not on my account. Here is the real link. http://www.howtogeek.com/169679/how-to-add-a-printer-to-your-raspberry-pi-or-other-linux-computer/
[0:17] <pksato> add printer need to use root and password.
[0:17] <pksato> or add a admin use, but I never do it.
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[0:18] <noalternative> It isn't asking of a username or password
[0:19] <noalternative> just gives a forbidden page.
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[0:20] <pksato> noalternative: acessing from remote computer? not on rpi.
[0:20] <noalternative> no
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[0:21] <noalternative> this is the computer I am setting it up on, so how can it be a remote?
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[0:22] <pksato> ah...
[0:23] <pksato> I don't know.
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[0:25] <pksato> i did a assumption that you configuring cups on headless raspberry pi, and accessing from other computer.
[0:25] <noalternative> when I first clicked the page there was no problem but I clicked some configuration options and entered my linux username and password, and after that everything was forbidden
[0:25] <noalternative> no this is a new install of cups
[0:26] <noalternative> first time setup on the computer it setup on
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[0:26] <pksato> close page (tab/windows), accessa again, on user reguest , enter root and root password.
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[0:27] <noalternative> I have done that
[0:27] <noalternative> there is not user request
[0:27] <pksato> no?
[0:27] <noalternative> It doesn't ask for a username or password
[0:27] <noalternative> just gives a forbidden page
[0:27] <pksato> firt page no request use. only if need.
[0:28] <noalternative> ok
[0:28] <pksato> you browser can be cached user/passworf.
[0:28] <noalternative> I looked at permissions and it says there is not password saved
[0:28] <noalternative> I am using firefox
[0:29] <pksato> try http://root@localhost:631/admin/
[0:30] <pksato> or you messed up cups configuration.
[0:32] <pksato> what is the forbidden erro message/code?
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[0:33] <noalternative> I am going to have to reboot. firefox is being stubborn
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[0:33] <noalternative> I'll be backed
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[1:56] <npo> hi, i'm having a bit of trouble with my sdcard. for some reason, linux is reporting that the card is only 56mb large, when in reality it's 16gb. i was able to format it on a windows machine using the sdcard formatter by SD, but when i put the card back in to my debian machine it doesn't see the restoration
[1:57] <npo> pretty sure it happened because i dd'd a messed up image on to the card (i believe the image was actually gzipped, so i flashed a gzipped image instead of the image itself). how would i go about making debian see the actual size of the card?
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[2:00] <oq> npo: you sure you're not seeing 1 of the 2 partitions?
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[2:01] <npo> oq: i saw one, a FAT16 partition that was pretty small
[2:02] <npo> oq: but i removed it in an attempt to clear it out, so i might have to run the sdcard formatter again
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[2:05] <Valduare> you dont have the write protection slider on your sd card / adapter do you :)
[2:07] <npo> Valduare: i tried flipping it back and forth, but nothing changed
[2:08] <IT_Sean> Is this in the Pi? If so, the Pi does not read the position of the write protect tab on SD cards.
[2:09] <npo> nope, this is on my debian laptop
[2:09] <npo> and it's strange, both OSX and windows report that the SDCard has 15.9 GB of space remaining
[2:09] <npo> or some number close to that i dont remember what was just on the screen in the other room
[2:09] <npo> but linux is reporting 10MB, with 56MB total
[2:10] <DWKnight> partition manager reveal any useful info?
[2:10] <npo> maybe i need to do the ol' turn it off and turn it back on again with this laptop
[2:10] <npo> hmm
[2:10] <npo> let me see
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[2:11] <npo> DWKnight: 'no valid partitiona table was found on this device' seems to be the most useful info
[2:11] <DWKnight> wow
[2:11] <DWKnight> card reader fail?
[2:12] <npo> i don't think so, it was working 30 minutes ago
[2:12] <npo> i formatted it a few minutes ago too
[2:12] <npo> i can try doing that again
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[2:16] <IT_Sean> Do you have another SD card to try? Even if it's the wrong size, or one you use for something else... just as a test.
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[2:17] <npo> IT_Sean: i think the best bet for me is to reboot my machine and try again, because the /dev/sdb file persists when the card is removed. and mac os x just again reported that the sdcard is fine and 16GB
[2:17] <npo> so ill brb and report what i find
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[2:33] <[Saint]> IT_Sean: do you happen to have any connection with RPF at any level, and if so - do you happen to know when/if there will ever be an updated branch for /etc/apt/sources.list.d/raspi.list to accommodate Raspbian stretch?
[2:34] <[Saint]> Doing a dist-upgrade to Raspbian stretch is a bit hit and miss because of this at the present.
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[2:54] <IT_Sean> Sorry, no idea.
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[2:54] <IT_Sean> aaand it's time for me to lock up the office & head home.
[2:54] <IT_Sean> later
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[2:55] <npo> hi again, rebooting worked... for some reason /dev/sdb persisted when the sdcard was removed. rebooting restored the newly formatted card
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[3:30] <K4k> Hey, so I have a weird minicom issue. I'm trying to access my Pi0 over the UART and on my macbook, minicom works fine but when I try to do the same exact command on my Fedora laptop I get output but am unable to provide input. If I use screen instead of minicom, I get output but there appear to be no carriage return so it all runs together and input half works.
[3:30] <K4k> Any ideas? I'm stumped.
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[3:32] <K4k> ok... well, adding my user to the dialout group made screen work. I guess that's fine.
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[3:49] <atamisk> woo... finally developing python again. even if it's for a library that already exists in the wild.
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[4:17] <[Saint]> atamisk: which?
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[4:19] <atamisk> 2c protocols for a 3-axis gyro.
[4:19] <atamisk> i2c
[4:19] <atamisk> you know, if i could get i2c support installed on the damn thing.
[4:20] <atamisk> (the pi)
[4:20] <atamisk> (for python)
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[4:21] <atamisk> WARG.
[4:22] <atamisk> I just realised i was in the build directory when i was trying to test my python smbus library installation. caused all sorts of havok and i though it was broken.
[4:22] <atamisk> I just wasted 3 hours of effort because I'm a moron.
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[4:25] <[Saint]> atamisk: I guess you just realized that enabling i2c is a single dtb overlay away, huh?
[4:27] <atamisk> [Saint]: not really, I had to install the smbus library for python. and when i tried it out, i was still in my build directory and got chucked into namespace hell.
[4:28] <[Saint]> sudo mount -o remount,rw /dev/mmcblkop1 ; cat dtparam=i2c_arm=on >> /boot/config.cfg ; sudo mount -o remount,ro /dev/mmcblkop1 ; sudo shutdown -r now
[4:28] <[Saint]> *0p1
[4:28] <atamisk> that has all been implemented for some time on my pi
[4:29] <[Saint]> Ah. Sorry. I guess I took "get i2c support" too literally.
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[5:12] <jmadero> hi all, I'm trying to rotate my screen on a raspberry pi model 1B but can't get it to work - added display_rotate and increased GPU mem to 128, no luck
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[5:48] <NedScott> jmadero: what kind of screen? HDMI?
[5:50] <jmadero> yeah
[5:50] <jmadero> its not a model B - my other one is :-b
[5:50] <NedScott> well, for any of them it should be the same config.txt line
[5:51] <jmadero> some sites suggest you need 240 GPU RAM which seems super high
[5:52] <jmadero> I have mine at 128 - seems like it should be high enoug
[5:52] <NedScott> yeah, that should be fine
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[5:53] <NedScott> there's not a whole lot to it. I would double/triple check the lines, make sure you're saving it as a plain text document and not something like a rich text document, etc
[5:54] <jmadero> definitely is, just edited a file that was already there (running raspbian)
[5:54] <NedScott> hmm, strange
[5:54] <jmadero> indeed :)
[5:54] <jmadero> working on a magic mirror but if I can't get a rotation then it's for naught
[5:57] <giddles> giddles> ehm for an rpi to blink an led
[5:57] <giddles> <giddles> which led i should use @ specs and which resistor
[5:58] <giddles> and how fast can it blink
[5:58] <giddles> i asked some days ago but i forget and have no log
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[6:10] <giddles> so what should i use
[6:10] <giddles> 3.3v, 5.0v?
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[6:37] <kswigg> yabba dabba doo
[6:37] <kswigg> :)
[6:37] <Valduare> heh just made a pig latin translator in python thanks to code academy :P
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[9:25] <tx0h> 'lo, i have latency issues (ca. 1/16 note lag behind at 120bpm) with phasex on rpi3 with jack for audio out and alsa for midi in. does one of you use a similar setting with good results?
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[10:01] <ali1234> do you get an email if someone PMs you on the official forums?
[10:04] <Ascavasaion> I have a Raspberry pi Model B it seems from doing a cat /proc/cpuinfo and looking at the table on http://elinux.org/RPi_HardwareHistory#Board_Revision_History Everything runs sort of okay... not speedy understandably, but the default browser with Raspbian is killing my Pi... any ideas please?
[10:04] <Lartza> Ascavasaion, Even web browsing or videos?
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[10:05] <Ascavasaion> Was browsing Google Images and it is just not coping.
[10:05] <knightwise> Is chromium installable on the raspberry pi ?
[10:05] <Lartza> Oh it uses the Web browser now :/
[10:06] <Lartza> knightwise, Hit and miss, and of course quite heavy
[10:06] <knightwise> damn
[10:06] <Lartza> At least on the archlinux ARM it just segfaults at start on the Pi's
[10:06] <knightwise> I needed chromium as a browser for a kisok mode
[10:06] <Lartza> And other ARM devices too
[10:06] <Lartza> But ymmv
[10:06] <knightwise> is it possible it does work on the p3 ?
[10:07] <Lartza> Anything is possible
[10:07] <Lartza> Previous versions of Chromium have worked on the Pi's just fine on alarm too
[10:07] <Lartza> It's just the ARM support of Chromium doesn't seem to be the best...
[10:07] <Lartza> Just try it it should be in the repos
[10:08] <Lartza> Ascavasaion, I am not sure how lightweight Web is so maybe try another browser?
[10:08] <Ascavasaion> Lartza: Okay, thank you.
[10:08] <Triffid_Hunter> problem with chromium is it's such a ridiculous ram hog :/
[10:08] <Lartza> ^ is true
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[10:09] <Lartza> It's not designed to be lightweight at all since it's for regular Desktops
[10:10] <Triffid_Hunter> I mostly use firefox for that reason.. last time I cleared my tabs I had 1150 open and firefox still only uses ~3GB ram.. last time I checked, chromium will take that with only 10-15 tabsb
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[10:14] <Ascavasaion> Triffid_Hunter: How did you use 3GB RAM on a Pi? I mean never heard of anyone using SWAP on a Pi, so I am confused.
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[10:15] <Ascavasaion> Triffid_Hunter: Or are yo talking about on your desktop?
[10:15] <Ascavasaion> yo=you
[10:16] <Triffid_Hunter> Ascavasaion: yeah on my desktop, I'd dread to even try having that many tabs on RPi
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[10:32] <battery> i install os into sd card, but 9G is unallocated on sd card? what’s wrong?
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[10:36] <battery> help me
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[10:37] <Lonefish> oh god not this again.
[10:38] <BurtyB> aka time for toast :)
[10:38] <battery> i use win32diskimager
[10:38] <battery> but there is a many unallocated space
[10:38] <mfa298> boot it up in the pi and if you got a recent image (may) it'll all be good
[10:38] <mfa298> no need for more questions
[10:39] <battery> there is a unallocated space
[10:39] <battery> so i want make enlarge disk space.
[10:41] <kswigg> lol
[10:41] <kswigg> help vampire alert
[10:41] <Lonefish> *troll alert
[10:41] <kswigg> http://slash7.com/2006/12/22/vampires/
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[10:42] <battery> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsdX6cS35WE
[10:42] <battery> this is right?
[10:44] <battery> help me
[10:45] <kswigg> battery, take a deep breathe...
[10:45] <battery> ok
[10:45] <kswigg> and, please... kindly wait to see if someone would like to respond to you
[10:45] <battery> how about you? kswigg ?
[10:45] <battery> 8)
[10:46] <kswigg> not I... I am ignoring you right now
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[10:46] <battery> lol
[10:47] <mfa298> kswigg: I already responded to the only actual Pi question. Guess battery is ignoring me
[10:47] <mfa298> either than or troll
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[10:47] <Lartza> mfa298, He's been here before... unfortunately for everyone
[10:47] <kswigg> yeah he's been doing this for a while now
[10:48] <mfa298> I know
[10:48] <Lartza> Never listens to advice etc
[10:48] <Lartza> So yeah
[10:48] <mfa298> it's probably my fault, I was just thinking this morning it's been a while since we've seen him
[10:48] <Lonefish> same here
[10:48] <Lonefish> even searched in logs
[10:48] <kswigg> it's funny how a terrorist grows on you
[10:48] <battery> there is a 9G unallocated space, when i use win32diskimager
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[10:51] <battery> No one help me :(
[10:51] <kswigg> battery do you help others?
[10:52] <battery> of course
[10:52] <kswigg> God watches you, do you realize this?
[10:52] <kswigg> :)
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[10:53] <battery> No one help me
[10:53] <battery> :(
[10:54] <kswigg> do you want to talk about it?
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[10:54] <battery> yes
[10:54] <battery> how i can enlarge sd card space as removing unallocated space.
[10:55] <mfa298> battery: lots of people have tried to help you, you just ignore them and keep asking the same thing
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[10:55] <kswigg> on a scale of 1-5 5 being most dreadful feeling, how does it make you feel that no one has helped you yet?
[10:55] <mfa298> battery: this suggests your a troll so /ignore
[10:55] <battery> :(
[10:55] <battery> i come here after long time.
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[10:56] <kswigg> battery, well you can't sleep here
[10:56] <battery> what you mean? kswigg ?
[10:56] <kswigg> if you're homeless I am sorry... but there's no sleeping here in this room.
[10:57] <kswigg> we're not a rooming house.
[10:57] <kswigg> and this is not a college frat party scene either.
[10:57] * BurtyB thinks back to the lmgtfy comment earlier...
[10:57] <kswigg> battery, my suggestion is you stay off of IRC
[10:58] <kswigg> you have to be this endowed to ride this ride
[10:58] <battery> :(
[10:58] <battery> i don’t know what you mean?
[10:58] <kswigg> you don't seem to accept what's been given you
[10:58] <kswigg> and you're very rude
[10:58] <battery> lol
[10:58] <battery> i m very courteous.
[10:58] <kswigg> see that is rude right there
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[10:59] <battery> my family is royal family of England
[10:59] <kswigg> I have never seen courteous behaviour out of you
[10:59] <kswigg> you are like the devil
[10:59] <battery> :9
[10:59] <battery> :(
[10:59] <kswigg> I am done chatting with you.
[10:59] <kswigg> you're dispicable.
[10:59] <Lonefish> ^
[10:59] <battery> i m royal
[11:00] <battery> so i am not rude.
[11:00] <Lonefish> I seriously doubt royal people would write horrible english
[11:00] <kswigg> he's so gross it makes me sick.
[11:00] <kswigg> in that way he acts it's so horrible
[11:00] <battery> because i m talking with ordinary people now.
[11:01] <battery> so i use low level language
[11:01] <RaTTuS|BIG> oh play nice battery or you will be poked
[11:01] <RaTTuS|BIG> I have him on ignore
[11:01] <battery> :P
[11:01] <battery> why?
[11:02] <kswigg> battery, do you come from a red flagged country?
[11:02] <kswigg> like nobody can trade with your country?
[11:03] <kswigg> cause you all act the way you do
[11:03] <battery> i come from England royal family.
[11:03] <kswigg> that's impossible
[11:04] <kswigg> you come from new england as an illegal immigrant is the only thing I would believe
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[11:04] <kswigg> if it were true I would have more respect for you
[11:05] <kswigg> for running away from your red flagged country
[11:05] <battery> kswigg: where are you from?
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[11:09] <battery> how i can enlarge sd card space as removing unallocated space.
[11:10] <Lonefish> I think you have a lot of unallocated brainspace too
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[11:13] <RaTTuS|BIG> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4VovMDnsIE battery
[11:13] <battery> :(
[11:13] <battery> oh RaTTuS|BIG thanks
[11:14] <battery> :)
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[11:25] <grandpa> dotdotdot
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[11:29] <Armand> grandpa: dashdashdash
[11:30] <mfa298> dah di dah
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[11:30] <kerio> hi all
[11:30] <kerio> is it possible to do i2c over arbitrary gpio pins?
[11:31] <mfa298> kerio: if you want to use the built in i2c you've got to use the pins connected to the internal i2c hardware
[11:32] <mfa298> you could bit bang i2c on other pins but then you have to handle all the signaling your self which in most cases will be more effort than its worth
[11:32] <kerio> it's that i have a touchscreen that sits on top of the pi
[11:32] <kerio> and the connector covers the first 26 pins
[11:34] <kerio> so i was hoping i could use the remaining pins for a secondary i2c
[11:34] <kerio> but apparently that's a bit harder than i thought ._.
[11:34] <kerio> at least there's a secondary spi connection there in the far end
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[11:34] <kerio> alternatively, can you recommend something to connect both my touchscreen and some other stuff?
[11:35] <mfa298> some of the pins have alt functions so you might be able to redirect the i2c hardware down there, but only id the screen isn't using it
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[11:36] <kerio> i think it's using it
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[11:36] <kerio> but isn't i2c capable of supporting multiple devices?
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[11:39] <Ascavasaion> If I run a raspberry pi B headerless, and VNC into it from another computer, would the window's GUI run smoothly enough to make it worthwhile? I would like to use its monitor, keyboard, and mouse elsewhere to save space on my desk.
[11:40] <kerio> "worthwhile" for what?
[11:40] <Ascavasaion> kerio: Is the response time acceptable?
[11:41] * mfa298 repeats kerio's question
[11:41] <mfa298> for basic webbrowsing, programming vnc is likely to be more than adequate
[11:41] <Ascavasaion> hehehe I hear you guys... browsing, setting it up, programming, etc?
[11:41] <mfa298> for watching 1080p videos it's unlikely to work
[11:42] <Ascavasaion> Would like to use the pi with a powered USB hub as a file server with three or four external HDDs
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[11:43] <Ascavasaion> Thank you guys.
[11:45] <kerio> eeeeeeeeh
[11:45] <kerio> i honestly don't believe in stuff like that
[11:46] <kerio> but then again, i won't touch a NAS if it's not running zfs, nowadays
[11:46] <H__> hear hear
[11:47] <Ascavasaion> Even just for ahome network?
[11:47] <Ascavasaion> to stream movies to media player on Tv, phone, etc?
[11:48] <kerio> i lived for like 5 years with a sheevaplug and a usb hd
[11:48] <kerio> sure, it works
[11:48] <kerio> but eeeeeeeeeeeeeh
[11:48] <kerio> i mean, a rpi3 is way more powerful than that
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[11:49] <kerio> but especially if you're planning on buying more than a couple disks, i'd seriously consider something better
[11:49] <kerio> more ram, a real sata/sas controller
[11:49] <UncleKiwi> hey there just wondering about the usb ports power is it any different rpi2 and rpi3 ?
[11:50] <UncleKiwi> can i draw more power or less or the same as the rpi2 when compared to the rpi3
[11:51] <ali1234> it is the same
[11:51] <UncleKiwi> thank you
[11:52] <mfa298> I think the pi2 you have to poke something to allow higher power from the USB ports, on the Pi3 you don't.
[11:52] <UncleKiwi> usb_max_current=1
[11:52] <UncleKiwi> is that not required on the rpi3
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[11:53] <mfa298> I dont think so, although it's not goign to hurt if you set it
[11:55] <UncleKiwi> ok
[11:55] <UncleKiwi> thanks
[11:56] <UncleKiwi> looks the like the rpi3 uses a little more power
[11:56] <UncleKiwi> than the rpi2
[11:56] <mfa298> yes, they recommend a 2.5A PSU (leaves around 1.2A for USB peripherals)
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[11:56] <UncleKiwi> i will use the offical psu
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[11:59] <UncleKiwi> uses double the power under load
[11:59] <kerio> i thought they recommended a 2A PSU :<
[11:59] <kerio> oh well i'm using my laptop's usb port anyway
[11:59] <mfa298> pi2 was soemthing like a 2A PSU I think, Pi3 needs more if you put lots of USB devices in.
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[11:59] <grandpa> http://brandonginn.net/~pi/stickers.jpg
[11:59] <grandpa> ;o'
[12:00] <UncleKiwi> the offcial pus is 2A
[12:00] <grandpa> need moar
[12:00] <kerio> that's a huge raspberry pi
[12:00] <grandpa> hehe
[12:00] <UncleKiwi> *psu
[12:00] <mfa298> the current offical PSU is 5.1V and 2.5A
[12:00] <UncleKiwi> ok i have an old one :(
[12:00] <kerio> :(
[12:01] <mfa298> I've got some really old ones - 5v, 1A
[12:01] <mfa298> they don't work too well with the Pi3 - I kept getting under volt warnings
[12:01] <UncleKiwi> the rpi2 will be ok with the 2A psu ?
[12:02] <mfa298> I think my Pi2 was ok on the 1A psu, but that was with no usb stuff plugged in
[12:02] <Ascavasaion> I thought VNC would mirror the desktops... whatever done on client would happen on server. ie. mouse moved on client would cause pointer to move on server. Does it not do that, or am I missing a setting.
[12:02] <Ascavasaion> ?
[12:03] <knightwise> Ascavasaion: you are not opening the right session
[12:03] <Ascavasaion> knightwise: Oooh, I should use :0?
[12:03] <mfa298> Ascavasaion: I think it depends on the vnc setup you use, some will mirror the main desktop, some will give each vnc session their own desktop
[12:03] <knightwise> https://www.sysstem.at/2014/01/raspberry-pi-vnc-mirror-simplified/
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[12:17] <kswigg> hmm
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[12:26] <pwillard> likely
[12:27] <Ascavasaion> I just ran sudo raspi-config and am nowmtrying to set locale. How would I be able to tell which one on the list is for South Africa?
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[12:28] <Ascavasaion> I understand it is en_ZA, but which one?
[12:29] <Ascavasaion> ISO or UTF?
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[12:31] <gruetzkopf> nowadays, you usually want the .UTF-8 locale Ascavasaion
[12:32] <Ascavasaion> changed keyboard to US, and on exiting raspi-config the system has frozen... sigh
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[12:33] <UncleKiwi> do the number of raspberries on boot mean something about voltage ?
[12:34] <ali1234> no
[12:34] <ali1234> it means number of cpus
[12:34] <UncleKiwi> thanks
[12:34] <UncleKiwi> :)
[12:35] <UncleKiwi> can i use my multi meter to measure the voltage from my rpi2 with devices attached to see if its running in normal voltage >?
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[12:36] <Ascavasaion> what Keyboard model do I choose in raspi-config... I usually choose a US keyboard so that I can have # above 3 for example, and not the UK pound sign.
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[12:38] <mfa298> Ascavasaion: that probably depends on your keyboard layout
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[12:40] <Ascavasaion> mfa298: In other linux distro's graphical installers it always asked me to identify certani keys etc and that detected it. I have no idea what keyboard this is.
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[12:51] <Ascavasaion> mfa298: turns out what I was doing was correct... I needed to reboot for it to take effect.
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[13:20] <Ascavasaion> I created a script vnc.sh How do I get it to start each time I start the pi so I can run the Pi headerless?
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[13:23] <ozzzy> Ascavasaion, crontab
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[13:31] <Encrypt> Ascavasaion, ozzzy, rc.local
[13:32] <Encrypt> https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/linux/usage/rc-local.md
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[13:32] <ozzzy> that works too... or put it in init, or create a startup job
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[13:32] <ozzzy> simple to just add a line @reboot /path/to/script in crontab
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[13:48] <kraghot> hi guys
[13:49] <kraghot> what are the chances of this being close to legit http://www.ebay.com/itm/Raspberry-Pi-3-Model-B-Quad-Core-1-2GHz-64bit-CPU-1GB-RAM-WiFi-Bluetooth-4-1-/182218658352?hash=item2a6d141230:g:vqQAAOSw0fhXlWlG
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[13:53] <mfa298> kraghot: why not just just buy from a reputable supplier
[13:54] <binaryhermit> That looks suspicious to me
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[13:56] <binaryhermit> too cheap, plus some things in the listing don't add up
[13:56] <binaryhermit> like, the item being in HK but some of the text is in german
[13:57] <mfa298> and AFAIK all the Pi2/Pi3s are made in wales, so export to CN/HK to sell back to the world seems a bit silly
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[13:57] <mfa298> I'd bet money they've just lifted the pictures from the likes of CPC/RS
[13:59] <Lartza> mfa298, Not all
[13:59] <binaryhermit> I have a couple pi3s that are made in china
[13:59] <Lartza> RS does them in China at least
[13:59] <Lartza> Always has
[14:00] <binaryhermit> whoever owns mcm electronics (element14, I believe) made some in china
[14:00] <binaryhermit> plus there are ones made for the chinese market in china
[14:00] <binaryhermit> though those are red, I think
[14:01] <binaryhermit> and I'm not 100% sure they built the rpi3 in china for china
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[14:01] <mfa298> I know there were some Pi1's in China, but I thought all the newer ones were Wales with the two companies sharing the same lines
[14:02] <binaryhermit> no feedback in the last 12 months plus a feedback score of 1?
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[14:02] <binaryhermit> now I'm pretty sure it's a scam
[14:02] <Lartza> haha feedback score of 1 in ebay
[14:03] <Lartza> Sure, buy from that person
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[14:03] <binaryhermit> 2 feedback recieved one from an unverified user
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[14:06] <binaryhermit> both users who left feedback no longer ebay members
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[14:12] <kerio> i still don't understand why they didn't add PoE support
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[14:12] <mfa298> kerio: cost and probably only a small number of people that use/need it
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[14:13] <kerio> UncleKiwi: the pi3's red LED will turn off if the voltage becomes lower than the specs, even if everything seems to work fine
[14:13] <kerio> idk if the pi2 has something similar
[14:13] <mfa298> plus for the pi3 I think you'd need high power PoE
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[14:14] <binaryhermit> When they hosted raspberrypi.org on a cluster of pics they used poetry hats
[14:14] <binaryhermit> *pi3s
[14:14] <kerio> mfa298: no way man
[14:14] <binaryhermit> Darn autocorrect
[14:14] <kerio> 2A at .5V is 1 watt
[14:15] <kerio> right
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[14:15] <kerio> the lesser PoE has 3.8W available to the device
[14:15] <kraghot> yeah it really does look like a scam. too bad that at least 7 people bought it today :/
[14:15] <mfa298> kerio: pi3 suggested PSU is 2.5A at 5.1V
[14:15] <kerio> er right i'm an idiot
[14:15] <kerio> it's 2A at 5V
[14:16] <mfa298> if you're not plugging USB devices in you could get away with less than that ~13W, but if it was on board they'de need to design for full power load
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[14:17] <binaryhermit> On the other hand I believe the pi3 will run on that if you don't have high power USB things 0lugged in
[14:17] <kerio> mfa298: 12.75W is still pretty much exactly the PoE power available for the device
[14:17] <binaryhermit> *plugged
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[14:17] <kerio> meh i still believe 2A is fine :3
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[14:18] <mfa298> kerio: it might be fine for you, but there'll be someone that tries PoE with 1.2A of USB things plugged in and they'll have issues
[14:18] <kraghot> question, I have an external usb 3.0 hdd and a 2.5A power supply on my rpi2, and I've enabled the bios settings for it to allow more power per port, but it still doesn't want to run it. Will it be better with rpi3?
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[14:20] <kerio> kraghot: usb 3 mandates up to .9A
[14:20] <CoJaBo> kraghot: powered hunb?
[14:20] <CoJaBo> hub
[14:20] <mfa298> 802.3af gives up to 15.4W, the Pi3 can need 12.7W, take into account the efficiency of dropping the ~48VDC down to 5V as that's going to be pretty much on the limit.
[14:20] <kerio> mfa298: yeah i guess it would be pretty close
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[14:21] <kraghot> CoJaBo, I have bought a powered hub, but it came with an adapter that is supposed to give 0.9A but by the looks of the cable thickness and the build quality I highly doubt it
[14:21] <kerio> also the scare factor of having 48VDC on a thing where people will happily poke around with jumpers and wires
[14:21] <mfa298> kerio: plus cost for a (maybe vocal) minority of people.
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[14:21] <CoJaBo> meh, 48 aint that much
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[14:22] <mfa298> kerio: and I'm part of that minority, I'd love having PoE, but I can see it's not really likely to be on board.
[14:22] <kerio> kraghot: don't you have those Y cables that have two usb B plugs
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[14:22] <CoJaBo> The USB3 ones don't seem to come with those anymore
[14:22] <kraghot> kerio, on my old 2.0 hdd yes but on the new one no
[14:22] <kerio> try the old cable on this one
[14:22] <kraghot> both don't work however
[14:22] <kerio> oh :(
[14:22] <CoJaBo> kraghot: Plug the other plug into a seperate adaptor
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[14:23] <mfa298> meh, I think enough people who don't know what they're doing poke around with phones and phone wiring and that's ~48V as well
[14:23] <kerio> CoJaBo: 48 isn't much for the human skin
[14:23] <kraghot> I bought a better power supply for the hub
[14:23] <kraghot> but CoJaBo I'll try that too
[14:23] <kraghot> maybe it will work
[14:23] <kerio> it's very very much for electronics that are meant to work at 3.3 or 5
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[15:26] <gordonDrogon> you mean beep on the viewers browser window?
[15:26] <gordonDrogon> or beep on the PC its running on ...
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[15:28] <ozzzy> on the browser
[15:28] <gordonDrogon> hard to do it reliably. not everyone has speakers and if I ever get to a website that makes sound without prompting me, I close it.
[15:29] <CoJaBo> yeh, that is.. evil
[15:29] <Cy-GorWork> I dont mind if sites like pandora do that. but any non music service site sucks if they auto play
[15:29] <ozzzy> basically, if the core temp goes above a certain value I want the monitor to beep
[15:29] <ozzzy> erh... the monitoring script
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[15:30] <CoJaBo> <audio> tag, probably
[15:31] <gordonDrogon> seems odd to go to the bother of putting a whole layer of 'web' on top of it all...
[15:32] <ozzzy> it's fun
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[15:32] <GenteelBen> Smells like waterlillies.
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[15:39] <gordonDrogon> anyway, if you want to beep a local pc (and it has speakers!) then the beep command is a good one to use.
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[15:45] <kerio> hold on, does a 40-pin IDE cable actually fit the gpio header in the pi
[15:46] <shauno> kinda. physically, yes, if it doesn't have that key hole filled
[15:47] <shauno> but some cables will have problems with shared grounds. the gnd lines on ide aren't the same place as the pi's
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[15:51] <kerio> hm, what's the best way to get two male headers from the header i have?
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[15:58] <ali1234> here's a dump of the i2c traffic to the 1.0 official display avr chip: http://paste.ubuntu.com/21005569/
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[15:59] <ali1234> [ 8A + 86 + FF + ] puts the display to maximum brightness
[16:00] <ali1234> replace FF with 00 and it turns off
[16:00] <ali1234> interestingly the driver will only ever send those two values regardless of what you write in the sys parameter
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[16:02] <kerio> is there a raspberry pi monitor+touchscreen that uses the display connector smaller than the 8" one?
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[16:03] <ali1234> no and it's 7"
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[16:19] <ozzzy> hmmm... <audio>...</audio> works from an .html file but not from a bash/cgi script
[16:19] <ozzzy> must be a perms thing
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[16:21] <ali1234> how is the display backlight brightness stored across reboots?
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[16:25] <kerio> how would you guys deal with a touch screen that covers a whole lot of gpio pins
[16:25] <kerio> (without using them)
[16:25] <ali1234> what do you mean by covers?
[16:25] <kerio> the connector it uses
[16:25] <kerio> is a giant chunk of plastic
[16:25] <kerio> ("giant")
[16:25] <ali1234> there are a few ways to deal with that
[16:25] <kerio> it covers the initial 26 pins
[16:26] <ali1234> you can either put something in between that splits out the other gpio pins
[16:26] <ali1234> or you can solder wires onto the pi or the display
[16:26] <kerio> i guess i could go from the back
[16:26] <kerio> but i'd mess things up
[16:26] <kerio> how would i go with the former?
[16:27] <kerio> honestly all i need is 3V3, GND and the two I2C pins
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[16:28] <ali1234> https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/protozero and a stackable header https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/2x20-pin-gpio-header-for-raspberry-pi-2-b-a
[16:28] <kerio> tyvm
[16:29] <kerio> hold on would i still have to solder those
[16:29] <ali1234> yes
[16:29] <ali1234> you could also use this: https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/black-hat-hacker
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[16:30] <ali1234> but it is a bit big
[16:30] <ali1234> also you still have to solder it
[16:30] <kerio> ooh i got it
[16:31] <kerio> https://www.amazon.it/dp/B01C1IW36C/
[16:31] * Zeno` is scared of sodder
[16:31] <kerio> (not the rainbow cable, just the pcb part)
[16:31] <ali1234> yes there are lots of boards like this
[16:31] <kerio> it would work, right
[16:31] <ali1234> should do
[16:32] <kerio> 12€ from china seems a bit ridiculous tbh
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[16:38] <curlyears> heigh hough
[16:38] <battery> raspberry pi vs banana pi, which is better?
[16:38] <AiGreek> Raspberry Pi
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[16:38] <battery> can you give me reason? AiGreek ?
[16:38] <BurtyB> hmm twice in one day :(
[16:38] <AiGreek> because of the community behind
[16:39] <curlyears> battery: the clue is that the Banana Pi is a Chinese design and project. Chinese electronics are not, what's the nicest way to say this? Reliable.
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[16:39] <battery> chinese made banana pi?
[16:39] <battery> lol
[16:39] <exobuzz> you will find bananapi software support very poor in comparison to raspberry pi (drivers etc)
[16:40] <battery> software
[16:40] <battery> oh
[16:42] <curlyears> battery: I fail to see any humour in this.
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[16:43] <binaryhermit> curlyears: some Raspberry pis are made in China
[16:43] <binaryhermit> I have 2 of them
[16:43] <exobuzz> chinese made vs chinese designed perhaps.
[16:43] <oq> binaryhermit: yeah but its not a chinese company providing the kernel and such
[16:43] <binaryhermit> true
[16:44] <exobuzz> having ported retropie to the odroid-c1 (mali gpu), I can tell you it's horrible.. specs might be good on some of these boards, but the mali binary blob driver vs the rpi drivers are worlds apart imho.
[16:44] <exobuzz> at least on linux
[16:44] <binaryhermit> I don't think China's incapable of manufacturing quality products, but outsourcing manufacturing is often a sign of a willingness to cut corners
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[16:44] <binaryhermit> odroid's from a korean company
[16:45] <exobuzz> yes, but similar hardware in terms of gpu
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[16:45] <binaryhermit> right
[16:45] <battery> i can smell of burning of raspberry lol :(
[16:45] <exobuzz> the rpi kernel/driver support is just amazing
[16:45] * binaryhermit thought mali gpus were designed by a british, soon to be japanese company
[16:45] <battery> i m afraid of fire when i go out.
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[16:46] <BurtyB> if you go out and never come back it wouldn't matter
[16:46] <exobuzz> arm / mali gpu are designed in the uk.. and implemented via 3rd party companies (allwinner etc)
[16:46] <kerio> do i really have to spend 20 monies on what's effectively a rigid Y cable
[16:46] <curlyears> binaryhermit: quite so. Purchase two pieces of the same product, a week apart, from different vendors of Chinese electronics. One may be a wonder of functionmality and quality. The other may be a complete piece of poop
[16:46] <curlyears> no reliability.
[16:47] <battery> there is case of fire of raspberry? i m afraid.
[16:47] <curlyears> p0erhaps "consistency" would be a better choice of terms
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[16:47] <oq> kerio: no
[16:48] <curlyears> battery: there is no more likelihood of a fire caused by a raspberrypi than there is of a fire caused by a pair of LED sneakers.
[16:48] <curlyears> ARM is now a Japanese company
[16:48] <kerio> oq: but then how :<
[16:49] <battery> but i can smell of burning of raspberry pi curlyears
[16:49] <curlyears> battery: shut up, please.
[16:49] <oq> kerio: nobody is holding a gun to your head
[16:50] <binaryhermit> curlyears: I believe it still needs regulatory approval, but that's likely to be a mere technicality IMO
[16:50] <Chillum> battery: take it out of the oven
[16:50] <battery> :|
[16:50] <Chillum> don't worry battery, curly is often grumpy with people
[16:51] <Chillum> that is why his ears got so curly
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[16:51] <battery> maybe curlyears is european gangster?
[16:51] <battery> 8)
[16:51] <kerio> oq: what if someone is D:
[16:52] <kerio> "buy a gpio expander for a raspberry pi or i'll shoot!"
[16:56] <Chillum> you can make one
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[16:58] <kerio> but i don't know how to solder :c
[16:59] <gordonDrogon> you soon learn which is the right end to pick up the soldering iron...
[17:00] <curlyears> gordonDrogon: was it YOU burning the Raspberry Pi?
[17:00] <curlyears> :p
[17:00] <kerio> i just need like
[17:00] <gordonDrogon> I have yet to burn/break one ...
[17:00] <kerio> a side output for a handful of pins
[17:00] <gordonDrogon> although I have tried...
[17:01] <kerio> holy crap why is there a case that includes a fan
[17:01] <Chillum> people charge more than a cable is worth because they know you can't solder
[17:01] <kerio> bastards
[17:01] <curlyears> kerio: because when you enclose a piece of electronics, the heat can build up to unsupportable levels, so it requires moving air to extract the heat
[17:01] <gordonDrogon> family friendly ones, I hope.
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[17:02] <curlyears> kerio: watch the language. This is a family friendly channel. Thank you.
[17:02] <kerio> k
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[17:02] <shauno> it's simple enough. if you don't want to do it yourself, you have to pay someone else to do it for you
[17:03] <kerio> curlyears: yeah but the bcm in the raspi is capable of dissipating its own heat without even any heatsink
[17:03] <kerio> let alone a fan
[17:03] <Chillum> soldering was hard until I learned to do it right. After watching 20 youtube videos it became very easy
[17:04] <curlyears> I h ave discovered that despite claims to the contrary, I cannot use >2TB HDDs with the motherboard I built my computer on last August. Now, I have no money left to buy a bnew one, so I have 2 3TB HDDs sitting here useless.
[17:04] <gordonDrogon> you just have to practice. I had a board with 100 nails on it I had to solder 100 wires onto when I started...
[17:04] <kerio> curlyears: surely you can just boot from a thumb drive or something
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[17:04] <Chillum> that is weak
[17:04] <Chillum> must be a really old MB to not handle 3tb drives
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[17:05] <curlyears> kerio: 1) yes, in free air. In a case the heat transfer is impeded. 2) I am nort trying to BOOT off the 3TB drives, I just need them for storage capacity. I can't run my system with them connected, period.
[17:05] <kerio> hm
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[17:06] <kerio> on the server i have i can disable any sort of translation on the sata ports i want
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[17:06] <kerio> on the bios side
[17:06] <kerio> which should prevent booting from them, but should still allow them to be used by a smarter OS than the bios
[17:07] <curlyears> Chillum: it is a Gigibyte motherboard, with something called "Hybrid UEFI" on it. It CLAIMS to support > 2TB drives, but it is widely known to not work correctly. It is theoretically possible to use thwe drives, but the loops and twists you have to go through to do it are daunting
[17:07] <Chillum> curlyears: it is possible it is trying to boot from the drive, have you checked the boot order in your bios to make sure the desired drive is first?
[17:07] <curlyears> also, it isn't one of the newest breeds, eitgher,. The BIOS is dated 2013
[17:09] <curlyears> Chillum: oh, yes. I have been fighting against this problem for MONTHS, over in #ubuntu.; I finally decided to give #hardware a try, and they linked me to a web page which went in to a detailed description of exactly what I have been through. And offered some painful but doable possible resolutons (emphasis on "possible" it doesn't work for ev
[17:09] <curlyears> eryone, apparently)
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[17:09] <Chillum> unfortunate.
[17:09] <curlyears> yeah )-: Just my luck (NASTY!!! Words)
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[17:11] <Chillum> you could use a sata to usb bridge, but will lose a lot of your speed
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[17:13] <curlyears> Chillum: I have a USB <-> SATA adaptor, but it only offers one SATA connection. ANd yes, it would be as slow as snot in January
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[17:14] <curlyears> actually, I think it will only wqork as a USB -> SATA adaptor
[17:15] <gordonDrogon> anyone here used rfm12 or rfm69 kit on Pi's ?
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[17:18] <mfa298> gordonDrogon: I've used the rfm69 on a pi
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[17:19] <curlyears> was ist an RFM12 or 69?
[17:19] <mfa298> curlyears: small radio modules
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[17:20] <curlyears> mfa298: 2.4GHz?
[17:20] <gordonDrogon> mfa298, I guess they work fine then?
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[17:20] <mfa298> gordonDrogon: seem to do ok, it's just an spi interface and option of some interrupts
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[17:21] * gordonDrogon nods.
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[17:21] <mfa298> I've only done small <=64 byte packets, I think things get a bit more interesting if you need longer packets
[17:21] <gordonDrogon> I'm looking at a small prototype for some food/drink automation/monitoring. mix of arduinos and Pi's.
[17:21] <gordonDrogon> I initially looked at the ciseco/wirelessthings stuff, but their website and email replys to the issues with their website have put me off them forlife.
[17:21] <mfa298> curlyears: generally lower ISM bands, 434/869/912
[17:22] <curlyears> ahhh.
[17:22] <curlyears> BCNU
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[17:23] <mfa298> there's a few of us using the RFM69 as part of http://ukhas.net on Pi, AVRs and various other things.
[17:23] <gordonDrogon> I know all the open energy monitor folks use them too.
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[17:23] <mfa298> I think we've found the datasheet can be a bit misleading in places.
[17:24] <gordonDrogon> well I'll oder some up and have a play.
[17:24] <gordonDrogon> looks like the adafruit feather board might be a good solution (3.3v though and we have some external 5v sensors, but ho hum)
[17:26] <gordonDrogon> not really a fan of the 32u4, but I can live with it.
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[17:27] <mfa298> there are some pi breakout boards and modules on https://hasnet.supplies/ (not sure if it's high numbers or not)
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[17:28] <mfa298> I think the other common source for the rfm69 is somewhere in .nl
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[17:29] <gordonDrogon> there are uk shops with most of what I need.
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[17:29] <gordonDrogon> although a Pi-top one would be nice, however I can solder my own up on a oroto plate.
[17:31] <mfa298> the hasnet.supplies shop is UK as well, although mostly catered towards ukhas.net stuff so may not have huge stock, it's been a couple of years since I last bought any rfm69 so I'm not sure who sells them now
[17:32] <gordonDrogon> https://hasnet.supplies/rfm69-rpi
[17:34] <ShorTie> there is a rfm69 library out there that uses wiringPi for the pi
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[17:35] <ShorTie> nifty hat board
[17:37] <mfa298> there's a few bits of rfm69 code linked from https://ukhas.net/wiki/guides:rasp_pi_design and links to the board as well
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[17:38] <gordonDrogon> ok, thanks.
[17:39] <gordonDrogon> will look inna bit. got bakery stuff to do now...
[17:39] <mfa298> no problems, hopefully that at least provides a few useful pointers
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[17:49] <battery> raspberry can’t connect to wifi of smart phone?
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[17:51] <Armand> battery: It can.
[17:51] <battery> strange
[17:52] <battery> i can’t connect to wifi of my mom smart phone.
[17:52] <battery> :(
[17:52] <battery> what’s wrong?
[17:52] <battery> if i don’t use it outside with wifi. it is useless.
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[17:54] <ozzzy> tell your mom to get a better phone
[17:54] <battery> Armand: what’s wrong?
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[17:54] <battery> ozzzy: we are royal family. lol
[17:54] <SpeedEvil> battery: you need to specify your problem properly.
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[17:54] <battery> ok
[17:55] <ModFather> hi there i have a raspberrypi3 and i have set on /etc/network/interfaces a static ip, and it getting another IP from DHCP
[17:55] <ModFather> any idea?
[17:55] <oq> your config is wrong
[17:55] <Zeno`> yeah, set the static IP on the router based on MAC address
[17:55] * ShorTie concures ^^
[17:55] <ModFather> my config is the same on another raspberry but i change only the ip so it wont have the same and conflcit and didnt worked
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[17:55] <battery> i connect to ethernet for login in. and i try to connect to hotspot of smart phone. but i can’t SpeedEvil
[17:56] <ModFather> i cannot do that Zeno` , my router doesnt support this function
[17:56] <ShorTie> battery, by default pi can't use 2 connections at once
[17:56] <battery> oh
[17:56] <battery> then how can i do?
[17:57] <mfa298> ModFather: which OS and version ?
[17:57] <battery> then how i can connect to hotspot of smart phone?
[17:57] <ShorTie> need like wicd-cursers to be able too...
[17:57] <battery> ShorTie:
[17:57] <battery> wicd-cursers :(
[17:58] <Zeno`> ModFather, are you sure?
[17:59] * ShorTie wonders what mode router ModFather got
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[17:59] <Zeno`> ModFather, you can't set a static IP for DHCP using a config file in linux... otherwise everyone in the world would do it instead of using the IP their ISP assigns to them
[17:59] <ModFather> ShorTie a lame Pace one
[17:59] <ModFather> static LAN ip
[18:00] <ModFather> instead of taking from DHCP 192.168.0.2-253 i assigned my Raspberry to use 192.168.0.213
[18:00] <ModFather> but it taking 192.168.0.10
[18:00] <mfa298> ModFather: what OS and version on your Pi, is it Raspbian Jessie ?
[18:00] <ShorTie> most routers do have a static lan ip address
[18:00] <ModFather> mfa298 it is Rasbian Jessie yes
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[18:00] <ModFather> ShorTie mine dont have, its a lame Pace one...
[18:00] <mfa298> ModFather: read the comments at the top of /etc/network/interfaces then
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[18:01] <ModFather> mfa298 : http://pastebin.com/vu7jr3ai
[18:01] <ModFather> this is my interfaces
[18:02] <mfa298> you obviously deleted the comments you should read then
[18:02] <mfa298> # Please note that this file is written to be used with dhcpcd
[18:02] <mfa298> # For static IP, consult /etc/dhcpcd.conf and 'man dhcpcd.conf'
[18:02] <mfa298> that's lines 3-4 of the standard /etc/network/interfaces file.
[18:03] <ModFather> mfa298 i dont want to use dhcp
[18:03] <ModFather> thats why i set static
[18:03] <mfa298> 16:02 < mfa298> # For static IP, consult /etc/dhcpcd.conf and 'man dhcpcd.conf'
[18:03] <ModFather> my interfaces file is wrong?
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[18:04] <ModFather> http://pastebin.com/WmmWDfRU
[18:05] <mfa298> you probably need to read the man page.
[18:05] <ModFather> mfa298 it was working just fine
[18:05] <ModFather> for months
[18:05] <ModFather> yesterday after a reboot
[18:05] <ModFather> it started using another ip
[18:05] <mfa298> the standard way to configure a static IP is through /etc/dhcpcd.conf
[18:06] <mfa298> doing it the way you did you've probably got the static IP and a dhcp address
[18:06] <ModFather> i was doing this years now
[18:06] <ModFather> and was working just fine
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[18:07] <mfa298> Jessie does it differently to how Wheezy did it before
[18:08] <mfa298> Editing the interfaces file was what you did in wheezy (although I think dhcpcd got brought in for wheezy as well). Jessie does it via the dhcpcd.conf file.
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[18:10] <mfa298> when you edit the /etc/network/interfaces file you end up setting a static IP *and* still have dhcpcd running getting dhcp IPs and settings.
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[18:18] <ModFather> sorry i got disconnected
[18:18] <battery> i can’t connect to wifi of smart phone.
[18:18] <battery> it is useless to me.
[18:18] <battery> :(
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[18:19] * ShorTie Thinkz, dat tis a bummer
[18:19] <Zeno`> battery, ask in #linux :)
[18:20] <battery> it is raspberry pi problem.
[18:20] <battery> instead of linux
[18:20] <Zeno`> nah it's not
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[18:25] <Zeno`> battery, the pi is not magic :)
[18:25] <battery> then? pi is slow bug?
[18:25] <ShorTie> the pi is a learning toy
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[18:26] <battery> ShorTie: but i want to hide it to outside with wifi connecting. ShorTie
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[18:27] <ShorTie> yes, it can do more, but that is what it was designed for
[18:27] <battery> but i can’t it
[18:28] <battery> 512 m ram is too small.
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[18:29] <ShorTie> it's way to much at times
[18:29] <ShorTie> all depends on what cha doing
[18:29] <ShorTie> pi ain't no super computer
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[18:29] <ShorTie> [12:25:56] <ShorTie> the pi is a learning toy
[18:29] <battery> yeah i know it already
[18:29] <battery> pi is too slow bug
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[18:32] <battery> anyway there is no way to use pi outside with wifi? ShorTie ?
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[18:33] <ShorTie> there are millions do it, so....
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[18:33] <ali1234> well this is quite interesting
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[18:33] <ali1234> i managed to control the backlight on my 1.0 screen by sending it i2c commands directly, instead of via the firmware
[18:34] <ali1234> and it turns out that the 1.0 screen does support backlight dimming, even though the raspi firmware won't let you do it
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[18:35] <battery> smart phone <——control ———> pi <—— connect ——> wifi and i will hide it in some place
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[18:36] <Zeno`> In high school I made a "bug" and put it in one of the girls huts
[18:36] <Zeno`> they found it and smashed it to pieces :-(
[18:36] <Zeno`> it took me hours to make that thing
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[18:36] <Zeno`> (hut on a school camp)
[18:37] <Zeno`> *sigh*
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[18:37] <Zeno`> I did learn that rebecca liked me though, before they smashed it
[18:38] <battery> who is rebecca? your wife?
[18:38] <battery> Zeno`: ?
[18:38] <Zeno`> battery, no
[18:38] <battery> girl friend?
[18:38] <Zeno`> battery, just a girl I got with on camp when I was in high school
[18:39] <battery> you kiss with her?
[18:39] <battery> 8)
[18:39] <Zeno`> ;D yeah
[18:39] <battery> lol
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[18:43] <ekarlso-> hmm, any of you know why maybe on a rpi I receive bad data from a protocol we've made ? only sometimes it receives the full packet correctly but mostly not. I've written a simple python script that reads the data off of serial and run it both on the rpi and my computer, it works fine on my computer to just read but not the rpi where alot of the data is bad
[18:43] <Zeno`> was worth getting the bug smashed
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[18:43] <ekarlso-> serial as in UART0 / ttyAMA0 btw connected to a RS485 transceiver
[18:43] <Zeno`> ekarlso-, you have ACK/NAK implemented?
[18:44] <ekarlso-> Zeno`: point with that being? a standard uart to usb device works totally fine to "sniff" data /dev/ttyAMA0 does not
[18:44] <Simonious> fingered out why wlan1 wasn't working.. had it on an unpowered USB hub and it just didn't have the power to get the job done.
[18:45] <Zeno`> ekarlso-, the point being is how do you know that it's keeping up with the data received
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[18:46] <Zeno`> I dunno, maybe I'm way off tangent
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[18:46] <ekarlso-> Zeno`: well, I can't get it why it shouldn't be able to read the data off of the internal uart vs a uart to usb
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[18:48] <Zeno`> ekarlso-, I can't get it either
[18:48] <Zeno`> ekarlso-, but you need to add something to work out why
[18:49] <ekarlso-> wont help much Zeno` if 3/4 packets are bad :p
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[18:50] <Zeno`> add a checksum
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[18:51] <Zeno`> and dump the bad packets and compare to what was sent
[18:51] <ekarlso-> already implemented... point being only 1/10 maybe of the normally good packets are being received correctly
[18:51] <gordonDrogon> ekarlso-, might be a dumb question, but how do you know your protocol works?
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[18:52] <ekarlso-> gordonDrogon: connected 2 arduinos together and a cortex m0 board, all works dandy
[18:53] <ekarlso-> gordonDrogon: also adding a sniffer via my computer using a uart to usb when just a transmitter is doing MCAST and the rpi is supposed to be receiving doesn't work on the rpi but my computer gets all the data correctly
[18:53] <Zeno`> sounds pretty unlikely but maybe it's an endian issue
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[18:54] <gordonDrogon> can't you write code on the Pi to just slurp all the data coming in and print it out - ie. emulate the sniffer program on the other PC?
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[18:54] <ekarlso-> gordonDrogon: that's what i'm doing : p
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[18:54] <ekarlso-> it's the same python script on both, computer gets the right data rpi does not on the internal uart
[18:55] <gordonDrogon> I used the internal uart on a Pi 'in anger' with the Gertduino board, (Pi v1), but not on any other Pi.
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[18:57] <ekarlso-> gordonDrogon: yeah, it doesn't seem like it's a good fit sadly..
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[18:57] <RedParrot> Odroid C2, anyone have any experience?
[18:58] <ekarlso-> http://pastebin.com/P5UjriUD
[18:59] <ekarlso-> top one is a valid packet, bottom one is not
[19:01] <ekarlso-> guess i'll try with a beagleboard instead
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[19:02] <Zeno`> they're different lengths :/
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[19:03] <Zeno`> 1st is 11 octets, second is 10... dunno what that means
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[19:04] <Zeno`> where's the code?
[19:04] <ekarlso-> that transmits or the receiving part ?
[19:05] <Zeno`> both
[19:05] <ekarlso-> http://pastebin.com/H7bgL3GJ
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[19:07] <gordonDrogon> hmph. everyone sells the radio modules but none seem to sell the connectors for antenna. hmph.
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[19:09] <ShorTie> for the edge of that hat ??
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[19:09] <ShorTie> i got mine from ebay
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[19:10] <ShorTie> they are freqency specific
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[19:11] <gordonDrogon> might just solder a bit of wore on for testing.
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[19:11] <Zeno`> coat hangers are good
[19:11] <gordonDrogon> haha..
[19:12] <ekarlso-> sender side Zeno` https://gitlab.com/creator-makerspace/rs485-nodeproto/blob/master/RS485NodeProto.cpp
[19:12] <ekarlso-> Zeno`: so nothing weird there..
[19:12] <gordonDrogon> https://perthworst.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/aerial1.jpg
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[19:15] <mfa298> I think the sma connctors for the hat I pointed you towards earlier is a fairly standard edge mount sma, although I've just used a short (~8cm from memory) bit of wire on my rfm69's
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[19:16] <Zeno`> what's 0xc0?
[19:16] <ekarlso-> Zeno`: ?
[19:16] <mfa298> that's for the 869MHz RFM69
[19:16] <ekarlso-> Zeno`: 192
[19:17] <Zeno`> ah cool... cheers mfa298
[19:17] <deadhound> Hi, I have a specific idea using infrared in diffuse mode from a TI microcontroller to send data to a raspberry pi - I'm looking for the cheapest raspberry pi that isn't zero (i need ethernet or wifi easily for prototype) and any suggestions on an infrared receiver. Can anyone help?
[19:17] <deadhound> the pi would also function as a local http webserver and send data over the web
[19:18] <Chillum> there are commerical products, but have you seen this: http://www.instructables.com/id/Add-Infrared-Interface-to-Your-Raspberry-Pi/
[19:19] <deadhound> I have not I will look at it
[19:19] <deadhound> i don't even have a pi yet - any suggestions on a cheap pi? been looking for a while but all the price points seem a little high
[19:19] <Chillum> essentially the pi just needs an ir diode and it can do the rest
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[19:20] <Chillum> if you need networking then a pi 2 or pi 3
[19:20] <Chillum> they are all $35 except for the zero as far as I know
[19:20] <deadhound> ok great. and pi would need to run in headless mode i'm assuming i can have it autostart a lan webserver just like linux
[19:20] <mfa298> Zeno`: (300/MHz)/4 gives about the right length for the driven element (although ideally you have something similar on the ground pins as a groundplane / other side of a dipole_)
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[19:20] <Chillum> it is linux
[19:20] <deadhound> i was originally looking at pi 3 but i think for this pi 2 will work fine
[19:20] <Chillum> as debian flavor, raspbian that is
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[19:21] <Chillum> the integrated wifi on the pi 3 is not as good as a decent usb wifi dongle
[19:21] <deadhound> yeah i know it is linux but just making sure i can basically plugin the pi and it boot up without login or anything and be accessible over lan - similar to a wireless router/AP
[19:21] <Chillum> yes, it will get an address via dhcp
[19:21] <deadhound> that isn't a big deal - not transmitting large amounts of data
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[19:21] <Chillum> then present an ssh port on 22 with username/password pi/raspberry
[19:21] <Chillum> so you want to change that pass hehe
[19:22] <ekarlso-> Zeno`: any other ideas ? :p
[19:22] <deadhound> OK but here's the question on ssh - i know i can do that which is great
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[19:22] <deadhound> but would i be able to start the webserver without having to login?
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[19:22] <Chillum> if you install one
[19:22] <Chillum> and configure it to start on boot
[19:22] <mfa298> deadhound: it's just like any debian (or debian based linux)
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[19:22] <deadhound> imagine and out of the box wireless AP / router / all in one - when you plug that baby in it boots up and is accessible no logging in required
[19:22] <Chillum> keep in mind the pi has limited network bandwidth
[19:23] <deadhound> it isn't a webserver - it will be on lan just like when you visit your gateway address and you can login to your router
[19:23] <Chillum> the network devices share the usb bus
[19:23] <Chillum> ya it can do that no problem
[19:23] <deadhound> OK cool
[19:23] <deadhound> so everything sounds good just need to find a pi 2 for cheap
[19:23] <deadhound> i suppose i don't need a starter kit? just power and the board and the IR diode
[19:23] <deadhound> so that should cut costs
[19:23] <deadhound> pi 2 has built in ethernet?
[19:24] <Chillum> yes
[19:24] <mfa298> you;ll need a microSD card as well
[19:24] <deadhound> awesome
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[19:24] <deadhound> that's no problem
[19:24] <Chillum> a microsd card and a power cable/supply
[19:24] <Chillum> usb
[19:24] <ekarlso-> I guess uart is hard ;)
[19:24] <deadhound> are there any kits that are just board and power and microsd? microsd isn't super important i can get one anywhere if i can't find one laying around
[19:24] <Chillum> uart reminds me of the 80s
[19:24] <deadhound> or do you have to buy a kit to get power adapter?
[19:25] <Chillum> it is just a normal usb wall wart, at least 2A
[19:25] <IT_Sean> you can uise any USB supply / phone charger, so long as it's capable of delivering 1A (1000 mA)
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[19:25] <Chillum> and a usb to microusb cable like phones charge with
[19:25] <Chillum> 1A is enough, more if you use a lot of usb devices
[19:25] <mfa298> deadhound: may depend on where you are, I tend to buy Pi+PSU+Case from RS or CPC in the UK, microSDs have mostly come from Amazon
[19:25] <deadhound> oh it isn't like an AC plug?
[19:25] <deadhound> i am in USA
[19:25] <Chillum> there are AC to USB wall warts
[19:25] <Chillum> they will do
[19:26] <IT_Sean> no, the pi is not an AC powered device. It runs off a USB power supply.
[19:26] <Chillum> or a computer usb port that can do 1A, or a usb power bank
[19:26] <IT_Sean> it runs on 5vDC
[19:26] <Chillum> usb battery banks
[19:26] <deadhound> how about wifi? if i wanted to use wifi over ethernet for this implementation, does pi 2 have built in wifi?
[19:26] <Chillum> the pi3 has built in wifi
[19:26] <Chillum> the 2 needs a usb wifi device
[19:26] <IT_Sean> The Pi2 does not have built in wifi, but you can add a wifi USB dongle.
[19:26] <deadhound> OK so it runs off micro usb power which you can use like a brick to plugin to the wall if needed?
[19:27] <IT_Sean> yes.
[19:27] <deadhound> OK IT_Sean that could be a good upsell, hahah
[19:27] <IT_Sean> (o_O)
[19:27] <deadhound> the wifi usb dongle i mean
[19:27] <deadhound> sounds awesome i'm really excited going to see if i can find a pi 2 today
[19:28] <deadhound> and i'm pretty sure it can, but just to verify - pi 2 can compile C with gcc right?
[19:28] <mfa298> deadhound: if you get a Pi3 you may want to get a dedicated PSU, the Pi3 can use ~1.3A with nothing else plugged in (a 1A PSU wasn't enough for Pi3 with nothing plugged in)
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[19:28] <deadhound> i'm thinking pi 2 because of cost
[19:28] <Zeno`> yeah should you be clearing the 0xc0 bit?
[19:28] <deadhound> and i'm assuming there's lists of compatible usb dongles out there
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[19:28] <mfa298> buying new I'm not sure theres a huge difference in cost between Pi2 and Pi3
[19:29] <IT_Sean> go for the 3, dude.
[19:29] <deadhound> really?
[19:29] <IT_Sean> really.
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[19:30] <mfa298> Last time I looked I think it was about £1 difference between the 2 and 3 (so under $2 difference)
[19:30] <Chillum> ahh ye 'old TSOP38238
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[19:31] <deadhound> i see a pi3 board for $37.99 does that sound right?
[19:31] <deadhound> pi2 for close to the same price
[19:31] <deadhound> pi 3 model b
[19:31] <Chillum> sounds right to me
[19:32] <deadhound> and any micro usb power should work?
[19:32] <Chillum> it is the shipping that gets ya at a lot of places
[19:32] <deadhound> like phone charger
[19:32] <deadhound> free shipping
[19:32] <Chillum> any that can do at least 1A
[19:32] <Chillum> nice
[19:32] <IT_Sean> deadhound, for the Pi 3, make sure you get one that is powerful enough.
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[19:32] <Chillum> ya the pi 3 is more power hungry, better to get a 2A charger
[19:32] <mfa298> For the Pi3 you'll need more like 1.3A -> 2.5A (depending on what else you plug in)
[19:33] <deadhound> i mean how much is a dedicated power for it?
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[19:33] <deadhound> can't be much
[19:33] <mfa298> If you're buying something there's an official Pi3 PSU (5.1V, 2.5A) with decent cable
[19:33] <Chillum> this is why I love the zero, if you don't use the GPU or any usb devices it is lik 100mA average with 250mA peaks
[19:33] <deadhound> Chillum i plan on using pi zero down the road but right now it's too much of a barrier to add all the stuff i need on the board
[19:33] <deadhound> for this prototype
[19:34] <Chillum> oh ya, they are best for embedding, the full ported ones are better for prototyping
[19:34] <Chillum> could not agree more
[19:34] <deadhound> it will be an embedded system down the line that's why i was looking at zero but after looking at all the soldering i would need to do i was like oh jeez i'll just spend a few extra bucks to get working haha
[19:35] <ekarlso-> something needs to be fucked with the internal uart of the rpi somehow
[19:35] <deadhound> jeez 49.99 for pi 3 model b with psu??
[19:35] <IT_Sean> ekarlso-, please watch your language. As a reminder, the channel rules are linked in the topic.
[19:35] <deadhound> $12 for a psu??
[19:36] <BurtyB> ekarlso-, are you using a Pi 3?
[19:36] <mfa298> If you're protyping for the Zero getting a Pi1B+ might be useful, same CPU core as the Zero, but all the usb/network ports. But the Pi3 probably makes a better dev option (more CPU and memory)
[19:36] <ekarlso-> BurtyB: nope, rpi 1 B+ and 2
[19:36] <deadhound> i think i'll just go with usb power for now and use it over wifi
[19:36] <kerio> what's with the obsession with the pi zero, anyway
[19:37] <ekarlso-> IT_Sean: sorry but i've spent 1.5 days on this issue and it doesn't make any sense, but I think i'll keep myself happy using a usb to uart instead of the internal uart /dev/ttyAMA0
[19:37] <ekarlso-> at least it then works fine :)
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[19:37] <Chillum> the gpio uart has not flow control, that is the main difference between that and the USB uart
[19:38] <ekarlso-> Chillum: how does one solve that then
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[19:38] <Chillum> either by implementing flow control over the gpio, or working with code that uses careful timing to not overflow the buffer
[19:38] <Chillum> or just using usb uart
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[19:39] <Chillum> what are you talking to?
[19:39] <ekarlso-> rs485 transceiver Chillum
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[19:43] <Chillum> geez the pi zero is in stock everywhere but it is still max 1 per customer. I want to drop $50 on 10
[19:46] <mfa298> I wonder if that's because the zero production runs are being reduced to make some of the other models.
[19:47] <SpeedEvil> Or the margin is ~0, meaning that it's not economic to produce
[19:47] <ekarlso-> Chillum: so I need to add flow control ?
[19:47] <SpeedEvil> If you can't purchase a lot of something it (IMO) does not exist for anything important.
[19:47] <SpeedEvil> There are many, many other comparable devices.
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[19:48] <gordonDrogon> ekarlso-, I don't think rs485 supports flow control - it's desiged to be short packets IIRC.
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[19:49] <gordonDrogon> the serial input buffer on the Pi is either 256 bytes or 4K. (I forget which)
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[19:50] <deadhound> will a sandisk 32 gb microsd work fine on pi 3 model b?
[19:50] <kerio> yes
[19:50] <deadhound> thx
[19:50] <ekarlso-> gordonDrogon: well, it was in relation to the note from Chillum "the gpio uart has not flow control, that is the main difference between that and the USB uart"
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[19:51] <deadhound> dude the most expensive parts are the ir receiver and jumper wires in the USA what the heck
[19:51] <deadhound> have to buy in bulk
[19:52] <Zeno`> ir receiver?
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[19:54] <Zeno`> I'm using OPT101P-J for IR and it's not that expensive
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[19:55] <deadhound> i found it on another site was just amazon had outrageous prices
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[19:55] <deadhound> $5 for both parts and that is 5 receivers
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[19:55] <deadhound> shipping is expensive though
[19:55] <deadhound> $13
[19:55] <Zeno`> which receiver?
[19:55] <deadhound> TSOP38238
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[19:56] <Zeno`> oh, one of those
[19:57] <Zeno`> considering they don't need an ADC they seem reasonably priced
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[19:59] <Zeno`> what are you using it for?
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[20:00] <Chillum> he wants an IR receiver for his pi
[20:01] <Chillum> the pi/lirc can read that one directly
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[20:07] <deadhound> OK actually looks like I should be using RF not IR
[20:07] <deadhound> for this application
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[20:07] <deadhound> any suggestions for RF receiver for PI?
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[20:09] <gordonDrogon> deadhound, what's the application?
[20:10] <deadhound> basically a pi connected via ethernet to your router as a lan node. the pi hosts a lan webpage and sends data over the web to an external server. there will be a micro controller sending the pi data over RF
[20:11] <gordonDrogon> ok.
[20:11] <gordonDrogon> so the cricual part would be matching the sender device to the Pi...
[20:11] <deadhound> as an example: zigbit RF temp sensor gets a temp and sends it via rf to the pi
[20:11] <deadhound> yes
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[20:11] <ali1234> nrf chips would be good for that
[20:11] <gordonDrogon> I'dsuggest using whatever technology you're most familiar with.
[20:11] <ali1234> NRF24L01
[20:12] <gordonDrogon> I'm about to embark on something similar using rfm69 radios.
[20:12] <ali1234> they are cheap and easily available, and there's plenty of example code for them
[20:12] <ali1234> another alternative is ESP modules
[20:12] <gordonDrogon> but I looked at the xbee stuff and some other stuff that had nice little modules for the Pi and Arduino, but have given them a miss.
[20:12] <ali1234> they are a bit more expensive, but they use wifi
[20:12] <ali1234> ESP8266
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[20:13] <pksato> deadhound: datarate and distance?
[20:13] <ali1234> they support mqtt which is nice, and ideal for temperature logging and such
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[20:13] <ali1234> you can just run mosquitto on the pi and have them log to that
[20:13] <deadhound> OK if i was completely new to this kind of project - what would be a cheap and/or easy place to start?
[20:14] <deadhound> i don't even have a chosen micro controller yet for gathering data
[20:14] <deadhound> was going to use ti msp430 but that doesn't have RF still ordered one for learning but it only has IRDA which is why i initially started with that in mind
[20:15] <ali1234> esp8266 will be the easiest
[20:15] <ali1234> i got sensor logging up in less than a day, including the graphing webpage
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[20:15] <deadhound> ali1234 that's great
[20:16] <deadhound> does pi 3 built in wifi not have RF?
[20:17] <deadhound> could i use esp8266 on something like the msp430 then??
[20:17] <deadhound> since it's for MC
[20:17] <ali1234> of course it does
[20:17] <deadhound> ah ok that's easy then
[20:17] <ali1234> both the pi 3 and the esp8266 have built in wifi you don't need anything else
[20:17] <deadhound> so i just need RF for my msp430 then! think the esp8266 will work on that?
[20:17] <deadhound> or is esp8266 an MC itself?? it's just a wifi module right
[20:17] <ali1234> it is an mc itself
[20:18] <deadhound> oh that's great
[20:18] <ali1234> it has built in everything including mqtt
[20:18] <ali1234> you can program it in lua
[20:18] <deadhound> not sure what mqtt is
[20:18] <ali1234> a temperature logger is about 100 lines of code
[20:18] <deadhound> planning on using C for MC
[20:18] <ali1234> mqtt is a protocol for IoT datalogging
[20:18] <ali1234> you can program it in C if you want
[20:18] <ali1234> lua is easier though
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[20:19] <ali1234> let me find the code i used...
[20:20] <deadhound> the other engineer and I were already planning on C he has gone to school for it for engineering, i'm a dev and it doesn't really matter to me what language but telling him we're using Lua now might not be a great idea haha
[20:20] <ali1234> it makes no difference really
[20:20] <ali1234> C is fine if you prefer it/already know it
[20:20] <ali1234> you don't need to write any code at all on the pi, you just install the mqtt server
[20:21] <ali1234> basically the esp8266 is designed specifically for what you are doing
[20:21] <deadhound> oooo
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[20:21] <deadhound> can mqtt just receive RF data as a server? or can i host webpages and such with it?
[20:21] <deadhound> or for that just use LAMP?
[20:21] <ali1234> it does not receive RF data
[20:22] <Zeno`> C is easier than Lua anyway
[20:22] <ali1234> the data is sent over wifi just like normal
[20:22] <deadhound> so ESP records temp, sends over wifi to pi
[20:22] <ali1234> mqtt logs the data and then allows you to access it over http
[20:22] <deadhound> gotcha
[20:22] <ali1234> then you write a webpage to fetch and display it
[20:22] <deadhound> awesome
[20:23] <deadhound> so the RF part isn't being used at all just 802.11
[20:23] <ali1234> RF just means radio frequency
[20:23] <deadhound> yeah
[20:24] <ali1234> wifi is RF
[20:24] <deadhound> ah i knew i was confused there
[20:24] <deadhound> it's a specific channel on rf
[20:24] <deadhound> channels
[20:24] <ali1234> specific channel and protocol, yes
[20:24] <deadhound> thanks for clarifying it's been a while haha
[20:24] <deadhound> OK so last piece that's missing then i guess i will get esp8266 and pi 3 model b
[20:24] <deadhound> but where's the temp sensor? hah
[20:24] <deadhound> i mean temp sensor is just a test idea
[20:25] <ali1234> get an i2c one
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[20:25] <deadhound> if the esp8266 has an internal temp sensor i can access that's fine
[20:25] <deadhound> the end use doesn't matter just the linking together and recording data to web
[20:25] <ali1234> i don't think it does. it might do but it won't tell you ambient temp
[20:25] <deadhound> the question is - can i connect esp8266 to something else? like a ambient temp sensor
[20:25] <ali1234> but this would work https://www.sparkfun.com/products/11931
[20:25] <deadhound> i see it has pins
[20:25] <ali1234> yes the esp8266 has i2c
[20:26] <deadhound> perfect
[20:26] <ali1234> it also has spi and gpio and etc
[20:26] <deadhound> never heard of i2c
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[20:26] <ali1234> it's like the forerunner of usb
[20:26] <deadhound> ok
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[20:27] <ali1234> it is very easy to use
[20:27] <ali1234> much easier than USB anyway
[20:30] <deadhound> ok well sounds like i'm getting the esp and tmp102
[20:30] <deadhound> i really appreciate it
[20:31] <deadhound> um how to i like connect to the esp?
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[20:31] <deadhound> the ti board i ordered is micro usb how do you use this thing? haha
[20:31] <ali1234> get an ESP module with a breakout
[20:31] <ali1234> you connect it to the serial port on the raspberry pi for programming
[20:31] <ali1234> after than it connects on wifi
[20:31] <deadhound> oooooooo
[20:32] <deadhound> sweet
[20:32] <deadhound> now i'm going to be running the pi in headless mode over wifi
[20:32] <deadhound> ssh into it
[20:32] <deadhound> shouldn't be an issue right?
[20:32] <ali1234> that's fine, i run like that all the time
[20:32] <deadhound> and esp will compile C?
[20:32] <deadhound> or run C
[20:32] <ali1234> yes
[20:33] <deadhound> ok
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[21:01] <ali1234> i'll just leave this here https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=108&t=155406
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[21:04] <deadhound> is 4 gb the smallest microsd for pi because of linux?
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[21:05] <IT_Sean> whell... you need to fit your OS onnit.
[21:06] <deadhound> would there be a way to bypass linux entirely? like an embedded system on the sd card?
[21:07] <Zeno`> yeah you can
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[21:09] <deadhound> with a 4 gb card how much space is left after installing raspian
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[21:10] <DrJ> 3 or so I believe
[21:10] <Geeksquid> deadhound: not much, however there are lots of customizations that can allow you to get rid of what you don't need
[21:11] <gordonDrogon> deadhound, look for the "bare metal" section in the forums on raspberrypi.org ... and ... good luck!
[21:11] <deadhound> like a few mb?? or 1 gb free?
[21:11] <deadhound> thanks
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[21:11] * DrJ sure thought there was like 3GB free
[21:11] <DrJ> guess I'm wrong
[21:11] <gordonDrogon> jessie lite is only about 0.5GB on the card IIRC.
[21:12] <oq> DrJ: they added a load of rubbish in the newer versions like the libreoffice suite
[21:12] <DrJ> oh
[21:12] <DrJ> yea, the first thing I do is remove all the graphical stuff
[21:12] <ali1234> use the lite image
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[21:12] <deadhound> would it be too complicated to write a bare metal web server for pi? better to just use linux?
[21:13] <DrJ> it is linux deadhound
[21:13] <DrJ> and no
[21:13] <mfa298> lite has very little in it, use that and add the stuff u need
[21:13] <deadhound> ok so jessie lite and add lamp stack should be fine
[21:13] <gordonDrogon> deadhound, first write a usb stack - then ethernet stack - then implement tcp/ip - then write the web server...
[21:13] <deadhound> that way i can use a smaller sd card
[21:14] <oq> deadhound: lemp stack would be better than lamp for a pi
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[21:14] <shauno> hm, latest lite appears to be 738MB on disk, but the image is 1.3G so you won't write it out properly to a card <2GB
[21:14] <gordonDrogon> deadhound, really... stick to Linux. just start with jessie-lite on a 8GB card and be happy.
[21:14] <deadhound> ok
[21:14] <MustBeUnlucky> anyone have experience with ffmpeg and ffserver serving up RTSP?
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[21:14] <gordonDrogon> hm. bakery time. laterz.
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[21:15] <oq> who bakes at 8pm?
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[21:15] <Geeksquid> #ffmpeg ?
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[21:16] <deadhound> thanks gordonDrogon other engineer said the same thing "stick to proof of concept" hahah
[21:17] <mfa298> deadhound: you dont have to do lamp stack, it's possible to do small web servers in python and ruby
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[21:17] <mfa298> at that points its mainly a case of stick with the best tool for the job / what you know
[21:17] <deadhound> ideally i would use django
[21:17] <deadhound> so i guess i could just use jessie lite with django and runserver
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[21:18] <mfa298> once you've put raspbian jessie-lite on it it's just a standard linux box with some hardware you can talk to directly so you can do most linux things.
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[21:24] <deadhound> OK should be my last question: any experience out there with TI code composer and PI?
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[21:32] <ghoti> I'm struggling to get a piwall set up. pwomxplayer appears to be functioning, and when I play a UDP stream I'm able to see *some* changes once I start my ffmpeg "master", but everything is choppy half frames and stalls.
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[21:33] <ghoti> Anybody got some piwall wisdom they'd be willing to share?
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[21:35] <ghoti> Master is running: ffmpeg -re -i sample1.avi -vcodec copy -acodec copy -f avi udp://239.0.1.23:1234
[21:36] <ghoti> top-left runs: pwomxplayer --wall 1920x1920+0+0 --tile 960x960+0+0 udp://239.0.1.23:1234?buffer_size=1200000B
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[21:43] <mfa298> ghoti: at a guess it might be a bandwidth issue
[21:43] <mfa298> or issues with the network
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[21:45] <ghoti> Okay, that's possible... I *am* running this over wifi, though the four RPis are all just a few metres away from the access point.
[21:45] <ghoti> I'll get 'em all wired up adn see if that helps. Thanks for the tip.
[21:46] <ghoti> Oh, on the other hand ... if I were to copy the video to each RPi, is there some way I could synchronize playback, sort of the way mplayer works with -udp-master and -udp-slave options?
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[21:51] <mfa298> I'm not sure multicast mixes well with wifi
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[21:52] <Alpha1125> Can I use GPIO pins in PHP, without the need for root? If so, any good tutorials/mans/docs/howtos?
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[21:52] <mfa298> I'd try it with a wired network and see if that solves the issues. If not it should make debugging a lot easier as well
[21:54] <giddles> is mr gordonDrogon there?
[21:54] <MustBeUnlucky> ugh this problem is pissing me off. and i think its the same one you guys are running into. I need RTSP over TCP, howver raspivis | cvlc is multicast only (this causues firewalll issues) so im resorint to ffmpeg and ffserver, but i cant get VLC to open my feed! anyone know how to do RTSP over TCP from the pi cam?
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[21:54] <ali1234> use gstreamer
[21:55] <MustBeUnlucky> cant :(
[21:55] <MustBeUnlucky> thnaks though
[21:55] <ali1234> works for me
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[21:56] <MustBeUnlucky> cant use wowza either
[21:56] <MustBeUnlucky> i feel like im so close with FFserver though
[21:56] <MustBeUnlucky> i just cant get the damn feed to open
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[22:25] <gordonDrogon> giddles, hi?
[22:25] <giddles> hey whats a standard led
[22:25] <giddles> a 2.5v 20mA?
[22:25] <giddles> i saw rpi links, google also displayed your blog
[22:26] <gordonDrogon> most are about 1.2v for the red/green/yellow ones.
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[22:27] <giddles> ah ok
[22:27] <giddles> maybe you add some data to it ? :)
[22:27] <giddles> or specs?
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[22:27] <gordonDrogon> why?
[22:27] <giddles> ive seen that also on other tuts and ever asked myself: why no specs
[22:28] <gordonDrogon> things vary, so generic works most of the time.
[22:28] <giddles> ze big german shops offer all kinds of led ;) thats why
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[22:28] <gordonDrogon> go for middle range.
[22:28] <giddles> i hang it on the 3.3v?
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[22:28] <gordonDrogon> use a 270Ω resistor.
[22:28] <giddles> ill calc it after the led spec
[22:28] <giddles> :D
[22:28] <giddles> 100mA can i fire over gpio?
[22:28] <gordonDrogon> sure - just don't exceede 15mA per pin.
[22:28] <giddles> i event dont have a manual
[22:28] <giddles> 15mA??? eh bad
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[22:29] <gordonDrogon> nope. 15mA per pin in 50mA in total.
[22:29] <giddles> ouch ok
[22:29] <giddles> good that i asked you
[22:29] <giddles> :)
[22:29] <giddles> thx sir
[22:29] <gordonDrogon> use a transistor to buffer if you need higher power LEDs.
[22:29] <ShorTie> 270-330 for 3.3v and 330-470 for 5v normally is a preaty good rule
[22:29] <gordonDrogon> saying that: http://unicorn.drogon.net/pi17leds.jpg
[22:29] <giddles> i need to note down, brb
[22:29] <ShorTie> then adjust for the brightness you want
[22:29] <gordonDrogon> ShorTie, multiply voltage by 100...
[22:30] <giddles> i have an optical project
[22:30] <giddles> :D
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[22:31] <gordonDrogon> keep your eyes open then.
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[22:43] <giddles> temp=62.3'C
[22:43] <giddles> for an rpi3
[22:43] <giddles> is that normal?
[22:43] <giddles> (heatsinks on it)
[22:43] <oq> yes
[22:43] <giddles> rpi need a fan ;)
[22:43] <oq> or take the heatsinks off
[22:43] <oq> the soc is designed to dissipate heat without
[22:43] <giddles> it smells bad if it hits certain temps
[22:43] <giddles> :)
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[22:44] <giddles> without it goes warmer
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[22:44] <giddles> thats why i use em
[22:45] <giddles> i need a heatcamera to look whats ze problem ;)
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[22:46] <Berg> I think heat is the problem
[22:48] <mfa298> 62 isn't too bad for the Pi3, it'll start throttleing at 80C and throttle to try and stay at 80C
[22:48] <mfa298> if it hits 85C i tihnk it will drop back to 600MHz
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[22:48] <ShorTie> 62, it's just getting warmed up
[22:49] <mfa298> I've had Pi3s running at 80C 24/7 at times, still seem to be fine
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[23:13] <msev-> is it possible to redirect some strings sent from some terminal app to a wiring pi program controlling a i2c lcd to display strings on that lcd...for example values sent from some iot sensors around the house
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[23:15] <gordonDrogon> msev-, yes...
[23:15] <gordonDrogon> assuming your program accepts input from stdin
[23:15] <msev-> good :) do you have an example maybe somewhere :)
[23:16] <gordonDrogon> so if you arrange your lcd program to accept: echo Hello | myLdcProg
[23:16] <gordonDrogon> then it might work.
[23:16] <gordonDrogon> or write it to take input from the command line. e.g.: myLcdProg "Hello world"
[23:16] <gordonDrogon> the first you read stdin until EOF, the 2nd you parse argv/argc.
[23:17] <H4ndy> or save it to a file and your program reads it periodically
[23:17] <gordonDrogon> eww...
[23:17] <CoJaBo> or a network/unix socket
[23:17] <gordonDrogon> you could also use a network socket.
[23:18] <Encrypt> Create a FIFO
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> so many ways, so much code to write...
[23:18] <Encrypt> :]
[23:18] <msev-> :D
[23:18] <Encrypt> The FIFO + thread is the best solution
[23:18] <msev-> maybe theres some code on github :D
[23:19] <Encrypt> If you want to use a file as the "input" for your LCD screen
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> msev-, if you wrote the code already to display on the lcd, then you ought to be capable of reading command-line arguments.
[23:19] <msev-> the thing is i have a orange pi so gonna have to use a version of Wiring Pi meant for that board :)
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> it's i2c - uses the kernel, nothing special about that.
[23:19] <msev-> good
[23:20] <gordonDrogon> just don't email me about it as I won't help ...
[23:21] <msev-> lol
[23:21] <msev-> ok :)
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[23:26] <msev-> gordonDrogon, what about max7219's are they directly controllable via wiringpi too?
[23:26] <msev-> and what about those nokia 5110 displays?
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[23:27] <gordonDrogon> no & no.
[23:27] <msev-> what about the size of the display if its 16x2 or 20x4 is that definable in the code?
[23:27] <gordonDrogon> easy to write your own code to drive them though.
[23:28] <gordonDrogon> most standard 1-2 & 4 line lcds work fine.
[23:28] <msev-> great
[23:28] <msev-> thanks so far
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[23:28] <gordonDrogon> if using them via i2c then you need to work out the pins the gpio expander uses.
[23:28] <gordonDrogon> and hope the gpio expander they use is supported by wiringPi.
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[23:29] <msev-> i think those chinese ones use one of those pcf expanders
[23:30] <gordonDrogon> I know people have gotten them to work in the past but I've never made note of what pins they use.
[23:30] <msev-> other option would be firmata but probably makes more sense to control directly if i can
[23:30] <msev-> gordonDrogon, do you do python scripts with wiringpi too?
[23:31] <gordonDrogon> nope.
[23:31] <gordonDrogon> I program in C and BASIC only.
[23:31] <msev-> cool
[23:31] <msev-> gotta go, good night!
[23:31] <gordonDrogon> there are some python wrappers for wiringPi thought - see github.com/wiringpi - those are not mine.
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