#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2016-07-28

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

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[0:23] <TyrfingMjolnir> Where to buy RPI3?
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[0:24] <kerio> internets
[0:24] <CoJaBo> Microcenter, if there's one nearby
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[0:29] <ozzzy> eBay
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[0:31] <TyrfingMjolnir> But ther is a vendor online store, no?
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[0:34] <SpeedEvil> The store is dead
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[0:54] <ghaberek> Adafruit and Element14 sell them online
[0:54] <ghaberek> And MicroCenter has an online store
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[1:05] <curlyears> heigh hough
[1:06] <curlyears> is we is, or is we ain't?
[1:07] <ozzzy> howdy
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[1:10] <josh> I'm trying to configure a devicetree file for a sc16is752 on spi0.0 with the interrupt on gpio21. I am able to successfully rx/tx data, but I get errors in the kernel log: "sc16is7xx spi0.0: Port 1: Unexpected interrupt: 8".
[1:11] <josh> My overlay has "interrupts = <21 0x2>;" for a falling edge interrupt on gpio 21, or so I thought.
[1:12] <josh> Does the 21 not correspond to gpio 21?
[1:13] <josh> This is my full dts file: https://gist.github.com/joshperry/aa501d3311bae3135a98f4e29fea2b70
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[1:29] <claudiop> Hi. I have i3 running with compton on a Pi 2, but for some reason is taking 300% CPU, to the point in which a simple keystoke takes about half a second to register. Do I need something to use HW accel?
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[1:52] <de-facto> Hey guys, does the RPi3 have a rtc onboard? whats the clock granularity with some C function like "clock_gettime(CLOCK_MONOTONIC_RAW, &t0)"
[1:52] <ShorTie> nop
[1:53] <IT_Sean> newp
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[1:53] <IT_Sean> yah can add an are tee cee tho.
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[1:55] <de-facto> oh kk, so its still the same as for previous models then?
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[2:31] <hypermist> Cromaglious_, stratford* on taranaki
[2:31] <hypermist> in* not on
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[2:42] <Cromaglious_> oops...
[2:43] <Cromaglious_> <-- memory issuses
[2:43] <Cromaglious_> <-- memory issues
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[2:43] <Cromaglious_> had my C&P exam for sleep apnea today... looking good...
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[2:44] <Cromaglious_> since I was issued a CPAP machine I should be good for 50% rating
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[2:48] <Valduare> heh just was given a mobo said it didnt work, just got home reset cmos threw stick of ram in it plugged it in and boots up fine heh running hardware test suite on it now then might put it into commission heh has usb 3 and sata 3
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[3:50] <martin290> if im going to be hitting an API to get back JSON and process it, would it better to have the php server handle it, or a desktop app? it's going to hit the API a lot (over 1,000 times)
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[4:50] <swift110-phone> hey
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[5:24] <Berg> more hay
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[6:10] <swift110-phone> how are you berg
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[6:14] <[Saint]> heh - just remote rpi-update'd a bunch of devices and nuked them :-S
[6:15] <[Saint]> guess I'll be going around visiting tonight.
[6:15] <CoJaBo> nice.
[6:16] <CoJaBo> I once blew something up in Tel Aviv
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[6:16] <swift110-phone> wow
[6:19] <binaryhermit> CoJaBo: like, literally blew something up?
[6:20] * binaryhermit assumes not
[6:20] <CoJaBo> A server
[6:21] * CoJaBo isn't a terrorist
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[6:22] * Zardoz isn't a terrorist
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[6:31] <AlexMax> I'm having some trouble with my brand new Pi 3
[6:32] <AlexMax> I just replaced my Pi 2 with my Pi 3 - kept the same old case, old power plug, old SD card, but I removed the Wi-Fi dongle I was using because the Pi 3 presumably has wifi built in
[6:33] <AlexMax> didn't reinstall raspbian
[6:33] <AlexMax> so i can boot into raspbian and almost everything works.....except for Wifi
[6:33] <AlexMax> it "works", but is INCREDIBLY slow
[6:36] <AlexMax> hrm.....seems to be a momentary lapse, it's fast again for some reason
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[6:37] <slmmn_> can someone help me with:
[6:37] <slmmn_> motion: error while loading shared libraries: libavformat.so.53: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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[6:41] <binaryhermit> AlexMax: the pi's wifi is 2.4 ghz only, and there's all sorts of things in the 2.4 ghz band. Microwaves, for example. Just an idea of what could be the issue.
[6:42] <[Saint]> One issue I had until I updated to the latest firmware on rpi3 was it repeatedly choking on 40MHz bands.
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[6:43] <[Saint]> All my APs do 20Mhz~20/40MHz~40MHz automatic band switching and it was confusing the Hell out of the poor wee thing.
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[6:44] * [Saint] starts to get the inevitable support calls about things falling over.
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[6:45] <[Saint]> Good excuse to break out the Pokemon Go later on when wandering around handing out sdcards fixing my mistake.
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[6:46] <CoJaBo> [Saint]: always test before you deploy :P
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[6:47] <binaryhermit> [Saint]: I thought you weren't supposed to rpi-update unless you had a good reason to, like a bug that there was a newer firmware that fixed it
[6:47] <[Saint]> binaryhermit: like the one mentioned above :)
[6:48] <binaryhermit> what, the wifi bug re: 40 mhz vhannels
[6:48] <binaryhermit> *channels
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[6:53] <[Saint]> yeah, I failed in deployment trying to be smart and triggering a kernel and firmware update to a known good version instead of sending out the image I had prepared to save a marginal amount of bandwidth but evidently something went pretty wrong.
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[7:19] <stiv> slmmn_, does the file exist? bad symlink maybe?
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[7:41] <Cromaglious_> still trying to get the pine64 booting
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[7:52] <kerio> hold on what's the point of rpi-update when you can just use apt
[7:53] <CoJaBo> i think rpi-update updates the firmware; not sure if anything in apt does that yet..
[7:54] <CoJaBo> still, seems odd to have 2 different things to manage packages..
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[7:54] <kerio> 'The software package called "raspberrypi-bootloader" also contains the firmware. This will be updated by apt-get upgrade.'
[7:55] <Lartza> Yeah that should work just fine...
[7:55] <Lartza> If you check what files the package owns and they are in /boot/ you don't need rpi-update
[7:56] <Lartza> Updating the firmware is just a matter of replacing the bin, elf and dats in /boot so apt-get can do that just fine
[7:58] <kerio> yea i was going to say
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[8:06] <swift110-phone> yes
[8:06] <swift110-phone> ill work on my pi tommorow
[8:07] <Kerr-A> So I need my raspberry pi to be able to reboot faster
[8:07] <Kerr-A> after power loss or other disruption
[8:08] <Kerr-A> I'm thinking along the lines of "Hack up the OS and remove everything I'm not using"
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[8:08] <Kerr-A> I need it to run my C program, and connect to wifi for my program to communicate over
[8:09] <kerio> raspbian lite boots quite fast
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[8:10] <Kerr-A> I have raspbian lite, it's about 15-20 seconds to boot + more to get to wifi
[8:10] <swift110-phone> really
[8:10] <Kerr-A> I need it to be more like 2 seconds
[8:10] <swift110-phone> when did the last major update occur?
[8:10] <Kerr-A> I need it to control GPIO within 2 seconds of a power disruption
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[8:11] <engblom> Kerr-A: I think more than two seconds will already be used for just connecting wifi....
[8:11] <Kerr-A> I don't need wifi in 2 seconds, that can take longer
[8:11] <Kerr-A> I need gpio "Right Now"
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[8:12] <engblom> Kerr-A: You could take a look at alpinelinux. It is a small musl based linux distro
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[8:13] <engblom> Kerr-A: If any distro could be optimized for that "almost insane" boot time, you have the best odds with it
[8:14] <Drzacek> 2 seconds? That is mighty fast. Make sure you have one of those fancy fast microSD cards
[8:14] <Kerr-A> I have a class10 microsd
[8:15] <Drzacek> Ok then
[8:15] <Drzacek> There are those new Ux standards, but I don't know if RPi can handle them
[8:15] <Lartza> Drzacek, RPi doesn't support UHS
[8:15] <Lartza> They work but no benefit
[8:15] <engblom> alpinelinux will boot readonly, so nothing is written during boot. Also, as musl is many times smaller than glibc, the amount of data read is very small.
[8:15] <Kerr-A> Ah
[8:16] <engblom> With alpinelinux you can then set up storage for your data
[8:16] <Kerr-A> Well It works, and I presume it's the fastest I can get reasonably
[8:16] <Drzacek> Lartza, thanks, thats what I suspected
[8:16] <Lartza> That's what I've heard at least yeah :P
[8:17] <Lartza> So yeah class10 is the fastest, but still very slow
[8:17] <Lartza> SD cards will always be slow though
[8:17] <Drzacek> If only rpi had SATA
[8:17] <engblom> http://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi
[8:17] <Lartza> And you are not getting 2 second boot speeds on the RPi with a real OS
[8:18] <Lartza> Hell, you can't really get 2 second boot reasonably with a desktop computer, UEFI and anything bit more running
[8:18] <Drzacek> I don't get 2 seconds boot on my i5 with SSD
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[8:18] <Lartza> Cutting the boot to a few seconds on a real PC with SSD is doable but 2 seconds on the RPi is not really
[8:19] <Lartza> Yeah I boot in 21.721s currently
[8:19] <Lartza> 2.427s (kernel) + 14.173s (userspace)
[8:19] <Drzacek> Lartza, with windows it is tricky, you can get to login screen really fast, but after loging in it still takes a lot of time to really start everything
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[8:19] <Lartza> 2 seconds is the delay to press any key in the boot manager and 3.124s is UEFI so I can't even reduce that really
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[8:20] <Lartza> Drzacek, You can do the same on linux faster though :P
[8:20] <Drzacek> Compared to what I had in pre-ssd times it is still "instantly" enough :D
[8:20] <Lartza> Even get to an usable desktop faster than on Windows
[8:21] <Drzacek> Lartza, I don't have anything against linux, just not all things I need work there
[8:21] <Drzacek> I have it as my 2nd OS though
[8:22] <Lartza> Vice versa for me, Windows as my second OS, for gaming :P
[8:23] <Drzacek> yeah, that too
[8:24] <Drzacek> Still, many games run in Wine (I heard even skyrim does)
[8:24] <Lartza> Well... when I play Skyrim I play it with a 100+ mod and ENB so it doesn't ;)
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[8:24] <Drzacek> oh craps, I also have mods.
[8:24] <Lartza> And a lot of the games I play don't run, Overwatch and Arma 3 for example so
[8:25] <Drzacek> Starcraft runs
[8:25] <Lartza> Yes, Diablo 3 and Hearthstone run fine too, Blizzard makes their games to run on toasters :P
[8:25] <Drzacek> most of the older games
[8:25] <Lartza> Overwatch is just DirectX11 so it won't run on Wine
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[8:25] <Drzacek> Even if we copy the needed files?
[8:25] <Lartza> Wine doesn't support DirectX 11
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[8:26] <Lartza> I am not also sure how Wine compares in performance, I have a 144 Hz monitor and native CSGO can't hold 144 fps on Linux but can on Windows
[8:26] <Lartza> Haven't tested Wine
[8:27] <Lartza> I think the performance is Nvidia's fault though, worse drivers on Linux
[8:28] <Drzacek> well, you can't have everything
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[8:29] <Drzacek> Didn't steam wanted to build their steam-consoles on linux? So in theory, all steam games should work under linux
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[8:29] <Lartza> SteamOS is Ubuntu 12.04
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[8:30] <Lartza> But it's just a reasonable choice to use Linux instead of Windows for SteamOS and steam machines
[8:30] <Lartza> Even though game support won't be as widespread
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[8:34] <flutterbat> Lartza: i still doubt steamos is going to work
[8:34] <Drzacek> The companies give a lot more attention to linux now, than 10-15 years ago, including gaming industry. It will be better in time
[8:35] <flutterbat> if they power through then yes. but its going to take years
[8:35] <Drzacek> Lartza, just checked, it's debian-based, not ubuntu
[8:36] <Drzacek> It is already taking years
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[8:38] <flutterbat> Drzacek: and during that time i havent seen any significant changes. indy games were/are freq. released for linux. the AAA titles didnt care and still dont care about linux
[8:38] <flutterbat> well there was the borderlands port..but years later iirc.
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[8:40] <flutterbat> anyways. on top of all that....the things i have to do to keep games running..edition start scripts etc. idk if thats ready for the masses
[8:40] <flutterbat> edit*
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[8:42] <Drzacek> Not now, but as you said - in few years
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[8:50] <Lartza> pre-sequel is out for linux too and the ports are getting there
[8:50] <Lartza> tomb raider got a port, shadow of mordor was ported
[8:51] <Lartza> It's just the game engines they use don't always support Linux, at least the inhouse ones :P
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[8:52] <Lartza> Also I haven't had to do anything special to get games working on Linux either, nothing that Ubuntu or some easier distro couldn't solve automatically
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[9:01] <Ascavasaion> HOw can I view local USB webcam in console? I have been searchign the web and it is all about streaming, timelapse pics, and motion sensing. I just want a small window in console with USB webcam feed.
[9:03] <engblom> Ascavasaion: mplayer -vo tv://
[9:03] <engblom> Ascavasaion: mplayer -vo aa tv://
[9:03] <engblom> That for real console
[9:04] <swift110-phone> hmm
[9:04] <Ascavasaion> I am using ssh into the pi machine that has the webcam
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[9:07] <swift110-phone> that's cool
[9:08] <Ascavasaion> Okay, all i see in mplayer is how to play media files... guess this is beyond me. thanks for the answer
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[9:09] <Ascavasaion> Used something like xfview or soemthing on my ubuntu machine years ago. Much simpler.
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[9:10] <Lonefish> don't you need x11 forwarding or something?
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[9:10] <Lonefish> I remember something like that vaguely
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[9:11] <kerio> Ascavasaion: which camera is this?
[9:12] <Ascavasaion> Logitec USB
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[9:12] <engblom> 'mplayer -vo aa' makes ascii video. If you step away enough from the screen it is actually really watchable
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[9:13] <kerio> yeah but i'm assuming that he has a real computer
[9:14] <Ascavasaion> It is okay... doubt you can do video through ssh connection anyway.
[9:14] <kerio> wat
[9:14] <kerio> ssh allows for arbitrary data
[9:14] <kerio> ssh pi ffmpeg -f v4l2 -i /dev/videowhatever | mpv
[9:14] <kerio> or something
[9:15] <engblom> Yep, I use ssh for a lot of other things than console. However Ascavasaion asked how to get video in the console....
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[9:15] <Ascavasaion> I will try guvcview in a VNC connection then.
[9:16] <engblom> Ascavasaion: VNC will never work. It is too slow
[9:16] <Lonefish> Asciivideo should be interesting :p
[9:16] <engblom> Ascavasaion: Rather use X forwarding
[9:16] <engblom> I mean if you really want to play it on the pi instead of just forwarding it to a real computer
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[9:17] <Ascavasaion> HOw can I view local USB webcam in console? I have been searchign the web and it is all about streaming, timelapse pics, and motion sensing. I just want a small window in console with USB webcam feed.
[9:17] <Ascavasaion> anyway
[9:18] <Ascavasaion> I am wasting your time. thank you guys for trying to help. Let me scoot and do something away from he computer.
[9:18] <Ascavasaion> he=the
[9:18] <engblom> Console is only for showing characters, so then you have no other option than using something like mplayer -vo aa.
[9:18] <engblom> tmux can make "windows" inside of the console
[9:20] <engblom> What do 'mplayer -vo aa tv://' give you?
[9:20] <jacekowski> there is -vo caca as well
[9:21] <engblom> I know, but caca usually do less good dithering... At least in my opinion
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[9:21] <jacekowski> but you get colours
[9:21] <engblom> It gives some really bad colors
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[9:26] <Ascavasaion> http://pastebin.com/8Quv8tjF
[9:26] <Ascavasaion> that is the result of pi@barad-dur:~ $ mplayer -vo aa tv://
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[9:31] <Ascavasaion> the caca option actually works... ASCII
[9:31] <Ascavasaion> aa option does not.
[9:31] <engblom> Maybe the mplayer you have was compiled without aa support
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[9:31] <Ascavasaion> engblom: Possibly.
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[9:34] <Ascavasaion> thank you guys :)
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[10:03] <thejan2009> I bought a new 2.5A power supply for pi 3 model B, but now there is quite a noticeable high-pitched sound coming from both the power supply and pi itself. Should I be concerned?
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[10:18] <kerio> yes
[10:19] <kerio> was it from a reputable source
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[10:19] <kerio> or did you buy a 0.99 moneys chinese PSU
[10:20] <Armand> $currency
[10:20] <CoJaBo> I have one of those; it reads 27v open-circuit
[10:20] <kerio> the noise from the pi is even more worrying tbh
[10:20] <CoJaBo> Drops to about 4.3 under a 100ma load
[10:20] <kerio> LOL
[10:20] <CoJaBo> "1 amps"
[10:20] <Armand> I find myself more concerned about noises coming from Taylor Swift..
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[10:21] <kerio> CoJaBo: they didn't say at which voltage you'd be getting the 1A :D
[10:21] <CoJaBo> I don't think it could make it to 1A lol
[10:21] <kerio> Armand: snek
[10:22] <Armand> Just means the drugs are wearing off and I should check the ropes...
[10:22] <kerio> yeezy was right
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[10:24] <thejan2009> kerio: i actually have trouble finding reputable stores. Bought it from a mayor retailer in our country, but it might as well be crappy chinese stuff with a 500% price markup.
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[10:25] <Armand> thejan2009: You bought an iPhone ?
[10:25] <Armand> *trollololol*
[10:27] <thejan2009> Atleast the iphones have some basic quality control, so you don't get pure crap :)
[10:27] <Armand> Dunno about that....
[10:27] <Armand> Anyways, OT.. I was kidding..
[10:27] <Berg> who's taylor swift?
[10:27] <Armand> Berg: My "pet"
[10:27] <Armand> muhahahaa!
[10:28] <NedScott> a famous american warrior from the war of 1812
[10:28] <Berg> like the lonhe ranger ?
[10:28] <Berg> lone
[10:28] <Armand> No, Neddie... No.
[10:28] <NedScott> exactly like the lone ranger
[10:28] <NedScott> but in one battle she was frozen in ice
[10:29] <NedScott> and they thawed her out in modern times
[10:29] <NedScott> and now she writes songs
[10:29] <Berg> shoul;d have worn more cloths
[10:32] <msev-> can someone help me figure out why my mic doesn't work on the orangepipc (I know its a competing sbc :D)..it has a mic on the pcb but i can't get it to work..can someone help me debug :) (running armbian jessie which is a debian jessie derivative)
[10:32] <Berg> so the rio Olympics are nearly started will there be a raspberry pi Olympics ?
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[10:33] <Drzacek> Try #orangepi
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[10:34] <Berg> sudo alsamixer
[10:35] <msev-> Drzacek, that channel doesn't have a lot of users
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[10:36] <Drzacek> msev-, exactly, thats why you should now get all those rpi clones, because the support is non existent
[10:36] <Drzacek> should not*
[10:36] <msev-> well most stuff works tho'
[10:37] <msev-> http://imageshack.com/i/pnfxLzOrp alsamixer looks like this
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[10:37] <Riyria> heh, a co-worker just dropped a Pi kit off on my desk and said "fix it, make it work"
[10:38] <Berg> whats wrong with the co-worker?
[10:38] <Berg> heheheh
[10:39] <Drzacek> Riyria, sound more like your boss, not co-worker :D
[10:39] <Riyria> i dont think he wants to fool with setting it up, tbh ...
[10:39] <Berg> they can be daunting
[10:39] <Riyria> not really
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[10:40] <Berg> :)
[10:44] <nid0> sounds like you got greenlit to put win 10 iot on it
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[10:45] <Riyria> lol, never... linux all the way
[10:45] <nid0> yeah, but thats presumably what he expects you to do
[10:45] <nid0> can't deny you've fixed it and made it work, even if it is with iot
[10:45] <Riyria> true... but i wouldnt know how to install it, or even where to get it
[10:46] <Riyria> or how to use it for that matter
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[10:50] <kerio> if i had to guess
[10:50] <kerio> dd if=windowsiot.img of=/dev/mmcwhatever
[10:50] <kerio> done
[10:52] <Riyria> maybe i will give it a try one of these days...
[10:52] <Berg> 7pm in the land of drop bears time for telly
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[11:03] <jancoow> hi there
[11:03] <jancoow> any idea how to let a pi0 boot from an old sd card (which worked in a pi b+)
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[11:04] <kerio> dd if=sd of=microsd
[11:04] <kerio> if that's your issue
[11:04] <jancoow> well,the pib+ worked fine on that sd card
[11:05] <jancoow> but it doesnt work when i put it in a p0
[11:05] <kerio> update it from the pib+ side
[11:05] <jancoow> with dist-upgrade
[11:05] <jancoow> ?
[11:05] <kerio> idk when hardware support for the pi0 was added
[11:05] <kerio> even just upgrade should work
[11:06] <jancoow> should ,mhh
[11:06] <jancoow> lets try
[11:06] <kerio> why don't you have it updated in the first place?
[11:07] <jancoow> idk it has been sitting there over a year doing his job perfectly
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[11:07] <jancoow> was needing a b+ atm so need to swap it with pi0
[11:07] <kerio> well there's only one raspbian
[11:07] <kerio> so i assume it's meant to work with all models
[11:08] <jancoow> yeah
[11:08] <jancoow> lets see
[11:09] <jancoow> idk if wheezy has support for pi0
[11:09] <kerio> not debian mainline
[11:10] <jancoow> ?
[11:10] <kerio> raspbian is "unofficial"
[11:11] <jancoow> 114 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. RIP
[11:11] <jancoow> that will take a while lol
[11:12] <kerio> might want to apt-get install the one that was not upgraded
[11:12] <kerio> before rebooting
[11:13] <jancoow> meh
[11:14] <kerio> it sounds important
[11:14] <kerio> i honestly don't understand why people don't install upgrades
[11:15] <kerio> like, what do you plan on doing if you have a problem in the future?
[11:15] <jancoow> well
[11:15] <jancoow> it has only one job
[11:15] <jancoow> i'm not using it for anything else
[11:16] <jancoow> this is the weather station, this only displays a gui and refresh data every 1 minute
[11:16] <jancoow> and reading some sensor data for my home automatic system
[11:16] <jancoow> that's his only job
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[11:17] <jancoow> normally i dont replace pi's but b+ will be devlivered tommorow and needed it today so ;p
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[11:18] <Ascavasaion> If I decide to pop a 32GB usb memory stick into Pi as a 'hard disk' to store MP3s, would it be beneficial speed/ease/etc to format it to ext4 and lose ability to use it in under other OS's, or should I format it FAT32 and keep it that way?
[11:19] <jancoow> fat32 is fine
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[11:22] <Ascavasaion> jancoow: thank you
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[11:33] <xpl0iter> Hi, can someone please tell me which pins I have to enable to make the motor runnign by looking at this: http://pastie.org/10921500#
[11:34] <xpl0iter> I am trying to make this work with Raspberry Pi: http://g03.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1VIESKVXXXXXraXXXq6xXFXXX4/L293D-Motor-Drive-Shield-Expansion-Board-for-Arduino-Mega-Raspberry-Pi.jpg
[11:35] <xpl0iter> I know how to connect the motors and the external power supplies. Also I know which pins go to which pins from this borad to the pi. But I don't know which ones to enable and which ones to disable to make the motor running backward and forward
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[11:53] <xpl0iter> Hi can someone please help me with this: raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/14740/live-video-streaming-embedded-in-a-web-page
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[12:00] <gordonDrogon> morning ...
[12:01] <gordonDrogon> xpl0iter, that's an Arduino shield not a Pi one ...
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[12:03] <ShorTie> have you looked at https://github.com/silvanmelchior/RPi_Cam_Web_Interface.git by chance ??
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[12:56] <brainzap> https://github.com/Shinao/SmartMirror
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[12:57] <Zeno`> that's pretty cool
[12:57] <Zeno`> now port to C or C++ :D
[12:58] <Zeno`> at a glance it seems well written
[13:00] <brainzap> I wonder why people still write python code
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[13:02] <Zeno`> I'm a bit weird... I honestly find C and C++ easier than Python or Lua
[13:02] <Zeno`> probably because I've been programming in C for so long now
[13:03] <brainzap> i blame the schools for not teaching Go
[13:03] <Zeno`> Go is nice
[13:03] <ozzzy> I see no reason to mess with python
[13:05] <gordonDrogon> the foundation like Python, so they push it to the schools - who like python because they get a lot of support for it.
[13:05] <Drzacek> whats go
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[13:05] <gordonDrogon> and although *everyone* started with BASIC, that's now seen as old and "bad" - even though modern BASICs are a far-cry from the ones we used in the 70's & 80's ...
[13:06] <gordonDrogon> and of-course OO is in-fashion right now...
[13:06] <mfa298> there seems to be quite a push for newcomers to use python, not just in the pi world.
[13:06] * Drzacek wasn't there yet in 70s and 80s
[13:06] <ozzzy> I do most of my stuff in VB.net
[13:06] * gordonDrogon is another old C programmer who started with BASIC ...
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[13:06] <Zeno`> hi gordonDrogon
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[13:06] <gordonDrogon> (then wrote a BASIC interperter in C :-)
[13:06] <mfa298> I tihnk I'd prefer ruby over python as a beginners language, although C++ is probably what I use most
[13:06] <Zeno`> I started with BASIC then ASM (6502) and then C and then M68K asm
[13:07] <gordonDrogon> I missed out the 68K step.
[13:07] <Zeno`> it's a nice instruction set
[13:07] <brainzap> I started with HTML
[13:07] <Zeno`> I was shocked when I started with intel asm lol
[13:08] <gordonDrogon> but basic -> 6502 ASM -> Imp77 -> fortran/pascal/cobol/other ASMs/C, other ASMs... many other ASMs. Lost too many brain cells to ASM. Also other languages along the way inclusing many scripting ones - several of which I wrote...
[13:08] <Zeno`> i still don't like intel's instruction set
[13:08] <gordonDrogon> intel is another I've missed out on, but I did wodges of 8080 & Z80 at one point.
[13:08] <Zeno`> I like modula-2 actually
[13:08] <gordonDrogon> I've written transputer assembler.
[13:08] <Zeno`> I skipped pascal and learned modula-2
[13:09] <Zeno`> transputer... I like that word :)
[13:09] <gordonDrogon> the one that did my head in was i860 dual instruction mode ...
[13:09] <brainzap> what are you doing today?
[13:09] <gordonDrogon> me? baking bread ...
[13:09] <gordonDrogon> and dabbling in C & BASIC.
[13:09] <Zeno`> which reminds me... gotta feed my sourdough starter
[13:09] <ozzzy> I had a buddy that liked pascal and wanted to code in C so I wrote him a big header file that translated a log of TurboPascal functions/calls to C LOL
[13:10] <gordonDrogon> I did a data analysis job a few weeks ago - not the coding I normally enjoy, but I did it in BASIC and it was pretty neat :)
[13:10] <ozzzy> it even sorta worked
[13:10] <gordonDrogon> Zeno`, why feed it? baking today?
[13:10] <shauno> I couldn't stand pascal. but I suspect that was just college sucking the fun out of anything
[13:10] <Zeno`> ozzzy, why? You've always been able to link pascal with C
[13:10] <ozzzy> I like BASH (ok... bash me with a trout)
[13:10] <Zeno`> (well ever since I knew pascal anyway)
[13:10] <brainzap> I like objective-c
[13:10] <Zeno`> gordonDrogon, not baking today
[13:11] <ozzzy> Zeno`, yep.... but in the 90s that's what he wanted
[13:11] <gordonDrogon> I've only getting into bash since the Pi - been using csh/tcsh since .. forever..
[13:11] <Zeno`> shauno, pascal and modula-2 are actually ok
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[13:11] <Zeno`> imo
[13:11] <gordonDrogon> Zeno`, oh... mine live in the fridge. I never feed & discard..
[13:11] <Zeno`> gordonDrogon, I've had mine for maybe 15 years now
[13:11] <Zeno`> I don't want it to die
[13:12] <gordonDrogon> mine don't die. only about 6 years though.
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[13:13] <gordonDrogon> however I'm baking 5 days a week with most of them, but they live for 4-6 weeks in the fridge without any issues.
[13:13] <gordonDrogon> (from when i wasn't baking daily)
[13:13] <gordonDrogon> baked about 30 loaves this morning...
[13:13] <brainzap> the dream life
[13:14] <gordonDrogon> well... not really.
[13:14] <brainzap> are you using a baking machine?
[13:15] <gordonDrogon> but it was something to do when I was ill a while back and I kept it going (mostly because people wanted me to and were paying for my bread!)
[13:15] <Zeno`> gordonDrogon, I'm probably paranoid
[13:15] <Zeno`> it probably doesn't need feeding at all because I bake at least twice a week
[13:15] <gordonDrogon> I have 3 mixers of varying sizes and 3 ovens of varying sizes, but I still make some by hand when I'm in a hurry as I can knead up a small batch in the same time as the machines knead up their batches.
[13:16] <Zeno`> when baking some goes back into the starter, so I doubt it would run out of food but as I said, paranoid
[13:16] <gordonDrogon> there is a lot (and lots!) of different ways to maintain starters, etc.
[13:16] * ozzzy has a bread maker that spits out a loaf a day
[13:16] <gordonDrogon> bread makers are great - the key here is that you know what goes into them.
[13:16] <shauno> bread, obviously :)
[13:16] <gordonDrogon> that's what comes out :)
[13:16] <ozzzy> yeah... I have two recipes I've tweaked for it
[13:16] <Zeno`> I use a bread maker but only until the first rise is done (sometimes only the mixing setting)
[13:17] <ozzzy> light rye and regular white
[13:17] <Zeno`> bread is such a lovely thing to make yourself
[13:17] <gordonDrogon> I make a while range depending on the customers.
[13:18] <gordonDrogon> I do a 100% rye and a "NY style Deli Rye" (30% rye)
[13:18] <gordonDrogon> the rest is wheat or spelt.
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[13:18] <brainzap> just give me the bits
[13:19] <gordonDrogon> with/without seeds/grains/bits, etc. mixes of white & wholemeal..
[13:19] <Zeno`> I think gordonDrogon is a bit more advanced than me because he has customers :)
[13:19] <ozzzy> I like just caraway
[13:19] <ozzzy> as seeds go
[13:19] <Encrypt> <ozzzy> I like BASH (ok... bash me with a trout) // https://github.com/Encrypt/iris :D
[13:19] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/bench2.jpg
[13:19] <Encrypt> 100% BASH program
[13:19] <Encrypt> I've had inspiration from raspi-config for the ui part
[13:20] <Encrypt> whiptail is great
[13:20] <ozzzy> encrypt yeah... I redid my 'check my pi' script in BASH just for the halibut
[13:20] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/ovens.jpg
[13:20] <gordonDrogon> and of-course: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi-controlled-oven/
[13:20] <Encrypt> gordonDrogon, Do you do real baguette? :D
[13:20] <ozzzy> BASH is very powerful
[13:21] <ozzzy> my xDVDShrink package was BASH and GTK-PERL
[13:21] <Encrypt> ozzzy, Yeah... I think it's a language as worth as python
[13:21] <Encrypt> It's not only limited to system administration
[13:21] <gordonDrogon> Encrypt, well - it might have to have French flour to be "real", but I do a reasonable baguette with the flours I buy...
[13:22] <brainzap> is it true that white bread is poisonous?
[13:22] <Encrypt> gordonDrogon, Well... flour is flour, no?
[13:22] <gordonDrogon> brainzap, not really.
[13:22] <ozzzy> dunno... is white flour poisonous
[13:22] <gordonDrogon> Encrypt, tell that to a Frenchman ;-)
[13:23] <brainzap> ok i need to work, i am laughing to much here in front of the pc, bye
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[13:35] <Stavros_> Can someone explain why laptop/tablet/smartphone screens are all tied into the devices they originally came from? Why it's either incredibly difficult or impossible to repurpose them?
[13:36] <pksato> lack of datasheet?
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[13:38] <strfry> hello
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[13:38] <Drzacek> Stavros_, they don't use unified/standard connections, only custon lvds connections, which are poorly/not described and work with high frequencies which make it hard to hack
[13:39] <strfry> i have a GPS shield for RPi that also has a microSD slot. Any pointers how to use this as a secondary sd reader?
[13:39] <Stavros_> Drzacek: How can it be that they haven't been standardized though? How does that benefit anyone?
[13:39] <Drzacek> Stavros_, but you can get cheap screen for your rpi, just don't expect them to be in full hd...
[13:40] <Drzacek> Stavros_, don't ask me, ask them
[13:40] <Drzacek> maybe they don't want us to have reusable stuff, only throw-aways
[13:40] <Drzacek> :P
[13:41] <Stavros_> It should be illegal. Literally illegal.
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[13:41] <Stavros_> All those beautiful OLED smartphone screens going to waste.
[13:42] <Drzacek> Illegal? In a world, when companies tried to unify phone chargers to lower electro waste and Apple claims it won't switch to microUSB, but they can add adapter?
[13:42] <Drzacek> When big money is involved, nothing is illegal
[13:43] <Stavros_> Yeah I know the world is fubar, and I'm desensitized to all the normal outrages
[13:43] <Stavros_> but such pretty screens!
[13:43] <Drzacek> Stavros_, why do they make our phones "closed", so we can't change battery? "To make it thinner"? Most of us put our phones in thick rubber thing, so we don't care for that
[13:44] <josh> Anyone around have devicetree chops?
[13:44] <Drzacek> Stavros_, I know how you feel, I don't like that either, but you just can't reuse all the good stuff
[13:44] <Drzacek> There were some projects involving fpga boards, but those cost more than the screen sometimes
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[14:10] <gordonDrogon> don't do it ...
[14:10] <DWKnight> may not actually need?
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[14:15] <ozzzy> checking dpkg
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[14:18] <Zeno`> gordonDrogon, why don't you use stdbool?
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[14:18] <gordonDrogon> no idea.
[14:18] <Zeno`> you're already using stdint which is c99 anyway, so...
[14:18] <gordonDrogon> isn't it a c++ thing?
[14:19] <Zeno`> nah, c99
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[14:19] <gordonDrogon> in that case, force of habit from decades of programing like that.
[14:19] <Zeno`> :D
[14:19] <gordonDrogon> and I did a lot of BCPL at one time too - I've a funny feeling true/false is the other way round there too...
[14:20] <gordonDrogon> so to save me remembering, I just have my own macros.
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[14:21] <Zeno`> yeah, makes sense
[14:22] <Zeno`> I'm going to push my fork to github. I'll modify README.txt to point to the official repository if that seems reasonable
[14:23] <Zeno`> I'll just add something like "this is a fork of blah blah"
[14:23] <gordonDrogon> wiringPi isn't maintained on github.
[14:23] <gordonDrogon> (if that's what youre on about)
[14:23] <Zeno`> yes, but I want *my* fork on github
[14:23] <gordonDrogon> ok :)
[14:24] <Zeno`> but I don't want people to think mine is the official source
[14:24] <Zeno`> ok, I'll add some text to the readme.txt
[14:25] <Zeno`> unless I can somehow coerce github into saying that I forked it from git://git.drogon.net/wiringPi
[14:25] <Zeno`> I might read a little bit and see if I can do that
[14:26] <Zeno`> seems like something that is likely possible anyway heh
[14:26] <gordonDrogon> wish I still had my old K&R...
[14:26] <Zeno`> gordonDrogon, I have TWO
[14:27] <Zeno`> 1st and 2nd editions
[14:27] <gordonDrogon> I paid good money for that and the ANSI update.
[14:27] <Zeno`> what happened to it?
[14:27] <gordonDrogon> sadly left them behind when I moved jobs a long time ago.
[14:27] <Zeno`> :-(
[14:27] * ozzzy keeps his K&R near always
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[14:30] <Zeno`> I can't remember the last time I took K&R off the shelf :(
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[14:30] <Zeno`> I do use http://port70.net/~nsz/c/c11/n1570.html though
[14:31] <Zeno`> (it's c99... I don't really use anything in c11)
[14:31] <Zeno`> oh wait I linked to the c11 version oh well
[14:31] <Zeno`> :D
[14:32] <ozzzy> Zeno`, just having it there makes me feel good
[14:32] <Zeno`> ozzzy, same
[14:33] <Zeno`> ozzzy, that's also the reason I have two copies of The Art of Computer Programming (original and revised editions) lol
[14:33] <Zeno`> they look good on the shelf as well
[14:33] <gordonDrogon> it's nice to have some old books. I have a well used copy of The Bat Book for example...
[14:33] <Zeno`> yeah
[14:34] <ozzzy> books are much better than files
[14:34] <gordonDrogon> sometimes ...
[14:34] <ozzzy> for enjoyment anyway
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[14:35] <Zeno`> somebody told me that my 1st edition of the dinosaur book was probably worth quite a bit of money, but I cannot sell it
[14:35] <Zeno`> I mean I won't
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[14:42] <gordonDrogon> so... do I write a whole load of macros and functions to make it easy for folks to program the little "toy PLC" I'm working on, or write yet another little scripting language for it...
[14:42] <gordonDrogon> (easy to program it in C that is)
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[14:45] <Bilby> gordonDrogon: leverage an existing language? LUA or arduino compatible is best
[14:45] <Bilby> what chip are you using?
[14:46] <gordonDrogon> atmega 328 & Pi
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[14:48] <Bilby> Sounds neat
[14:48] <Zeno`> lua is easy to add and so is python so why make your own scripting language?
[14:48] <Bilby> are you trying to make an interface that allows easy access to the functions of both?
[14:49] <gordonDrogon> they're separate platforms
[14:49] <gordonDrogon> this is going to be aimed at a few folks who've looked at ladder logic ...
[14:49] <gordonDrogon> and have already copy & pastad some arduino stuff..
[14:50] <gordonDrogon> I'm tempted to have the dev. enviromnent direcly on the atmega and use a little SPI eeprom to store programs in it.
[14:50] <Zeno`> I have to admit that I'd never heard of ladder logic until you mentioned it
[14:51] <gordonDrogon> its ancient...
[14:51] <gordonDrogon> but still very much in-use today in industrial automation, etc.
[14:51] <Zeno`> looks interesting
[14:52] <Bilby> industrial computing is so very different in nature from commercial or personal computing, haha
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[14:53] <Bilby> "we don't care if it runs the latest operating system, but it needs to run in a hot factory for 50,000 hours with no downtime"
[14:54] <gordonDrogon> indeed.
[14:54] <gordonDrogon> it was my area of study all those years ago...
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[14:55] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/IMG_20160718_111755.jpg
[14:55] <SpeedEvil> In many cases, the only time you might want to upgrade the software is to run on non-EOL hardware
[14:55] <gordonDrogon> there are still PDP11's out there running "stuff" ...
[14:55] <SpeedEvil> If your CNC is now running on a windows 95 platform, with an ISA card, that's great and all, but you can have a real problem if it breaks tomorrow
[14:56] <ozzzy> gordonDrogon, there are indeed
[14:56] <SpeedEvil> In some cases simply ripping it out and putting in linuxcnc may be an alternative of course
[14:56] <SpeedEvil> On a related matter.
[14:57] <SpeedEvil> Is anyone aware of any projects that boot linux on Pi with one CPU not used for linux, and then uses that CPU for real-timeish user code?
[14:57] <ozzzy> people used to be horrified that we were running linux machines with 2.0 kernels in operational environments
[14:57] <ozzzy> but but but... security... but but but... EOL... but but
[14:57] <gordonDrogon> heh.. I ran an entire factory automation project with bbc micros :)
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[14:58] <SpeedEvil> Carefully picked hardware can somewhat get around EOL, as can maintainance skill
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[14:58] <gordonDrogon> I was sent on that PLC programming course to learn as much as possible ... because the people I was working for wanted to make their own, but not use ladder ...
[14:58] <ozzzy> it if ain't broke don't fix it
[14:58] <SpeedEvil> ozzzy: preventive maintainance is a thing for a good reason
[14:58] <Zeno`> ozzzy, are you from Austria?
[14:58] <ozzzy> nope
[14:58] <Zeno`> hmm ok
[14:59] <ozzzy> preventive maintenance was just a matter of blowing the dust out every 3 months
[14:59] <gordonDrogon> 30 years ago... I wrote the start of the new scripting language, but I left that company not long after that and at the time wasn't able to take anything with me...
[14:59] <Bilby> nice cert :)
[15:00] <Bilby> security and EOL only matter if the machine is connected to anything. The Windows 3.1 machine running the CNC acrylic cutter doesn't know or care about viruses on the internet
[15:00] <Bilby> the biggest problem is finding hardware
[15:00] <gordonDrogon> Bilby, yea - these days I get ones like this: http://unicorn.drogon.net/food.jpg
[15:00] <ozzzy> Bilby, exactly
[15:01] <Bilby> gordonDrogon: I think food is a better industry for one's sanity
[15:01] <Bilby> except for possibly runnng a restaurant
[15:01] <gordonDrogon> hardware - I was asked recently if I had serial cards that worked on Win 3.11 - it was running an incinerator in a hospital...
[15:01] <gordonDrogon> they'd replaced the PC with a new one that would still run w3.11, but it had no serial card...
[15:01] * ozzzy has a digi 4-port serial card (ISA) that would work
[15:02] <gordonDrogon> great, but the PC only had pcie slots...
[15:02] <ozzzy> ah
[15:02] <Bilby> ouch
[15:02] <Bilby> finding drivers that will work on windows 3.1 for a PCIe card...
[15:02] <ozzzy> win3.11 does pcie?
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[15:03] <SpeedEvil> Bilby: Err - no. EOL matters if you can't replace your control hardware because nobody makes it
[15:03] <gordonDrogon> I refered them to a friend who specialises in old PC type stuff - I think he fixed them up with another PC that had the right bits in it...
[15:03] <SpeedEvil> (and you can't find it on ebay)
[15:03] <gordonDrogon> when I was making/selling VoIP stuff I wanted to find a PC solution that would last 5 years - people expect office PBXs to last for 15-20 years (or did!)
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[15:05] <Bilby> there is that, yes
[15:06] <Bilby> but if you know the hardware is going EOL and you know you want to keep running it, you can stockpile
[15:06] <Bilby> NASA kept their systems up for a long time doing that
[15:06] <gordonDrogon> until the electrolytic caps die ...
[15:06] <Bilby> hell, the state police in my state did that with Crown Victorias
[15:06] <Bilby> bought a bunch of inventory up so they could keep using them for a while longer, because police are apparently old ladies
[15:07] <gordonDrogon> Crown Victorias? That's like a huuuge car that wallows about?
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[15:07] <gordonDrogon> (with an oversized and under powered engine?)
[15:08] <ozzzy> the crown vic was the last body on frame car made in the US/Canada
[15:08] <Bilby> well, in america it's a huge powerful V8
[15:08] <ozzzy> yjsy
[15:08] <Bilby> for the rest of the world it's a huge V8 that generates like... no power
[15:08] <gordonDrogon> :)
[15:08] <ozzzy> that's why cop forces like them
[15:08] <Bilby> admittedly they have a ton of interior space and are pretty much indestructable
[15:08] <Bilby> and compared to the cars they "replaced" them with, i can see why they wante to keep the vic
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[15:09] <gordonDrogon> yea, built like a tank.
[15:09] <Bilby> HP is probably in the mid-200 range but they generate something like 330 lb-ft of torque right off the line, so good acceleration
[15:09] <Armand> I'm sure my wife could wreck one..
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[15:09] <Bilby> a honda-type revvy engine would be annoying as bleep for a car that goes 0-60-0 constantly
[15:09] <Bilby> lol
[15:09] <Armand> She already managed the smash the rear diff on an Envoy. :P
[15:09] <Bilby> the nice thing about rear ending someone in an american sedan
[15:10] <Armand> ^ getting sued ?
[15:10] <Bilby> you're always at least 12 feet from the accident :P
[15:10] <Armand> lol
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[16:09] <Zeno`> hmm I just connected a kybd directly to my pi for the first time
[16:09] <Zeno`> typing | is interpreted as ~ :/
[16:09] <ozzzy> change the localization
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[16:10] <Zeno`> nfi how to do that. /me googles
[16:10] <ozzzy> I think that raspi-config has it
[16:11] <Zeno`> /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locales is broken or not fully installed
[16:11] <Zeno`> great
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[16:12] <ozzzy> raspi-config seems 1/2 broken here... dunno why. worked on the pi2 but not the pi3
[16:13] <Zeno`> using dpkg-reconfigure locales doesn't work either
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[16:20] <Zeno`> update-rc.d: warning: start and stop actions are no longer supported; falling back to defaults
[16:20] <Zeno`> weird
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[16:21] <gordonDrogon> systemd ?
[16:21] <Zeno`> yeah, I guess raspi-config isn't updated yet?
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[16:22] <Zeno`> not that it matters much... I always use ssh, scp and sshfs anyway, but still
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[16:41] <pokmo> hi
[16:42] <ShorTie> Good Morning
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[17:43] <gnostic> does the pi use a lot of power if it's only connected to the internet?
[17:46] <grandpa> i dont think it uses much power regardless
[17:46] <gnostic> cool
[17:46] <grandpa> :)
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[17:48] <stiv> wi fi is power hungry
[17:49] <grandpa> over 2.5a?
[17:49] <stiv> you can get an idea of what a pi needs by looking at the recommended power supply
[17:50] <Cy-GorWork> why are you asking gnostic
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[17:51] <gnostic> Cy-GorWork: I want to leave it turned on all the time
[17:51] <Cy-GorWork> doing what?
[17:52] <gnostic> if it uses about the same power as my router I will
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[17:52] <gnostic> idling on IRC
[17:52] <gnostic> :)
[17:52] <Cy-GorWork> lol
[17:52] <Cy-GorWork> then yeah it shouldnt take much at all
[17:52] <Cy-GorWork> half an amp maybe?
[17:52] <stiv> look at the label on your router's power supply
[17:52] <gnostic> oh is that all?!
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[17:52] <grandpa> i have a pi2 and 3 running all the time
[17:52] <Encrypt> 0.5A * 5V = 2.5W
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[17:53] <gnostic> stiv: it's under my desk I cannot crawl under there at the moment heheh
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[17:53] <gnostic> stiv: its the official pi power supply for the pi3
[17:54] <gnostic> I should have got one of these years ago
[17:54] <gnostic> its pretty cool
[17:54] <gnostic> faster than my parents computer
[17:56] <grandpa> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7T_KKiQiolk aesop rock - kirby
[17:56] <grandpa> its about his cat heheee
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[17:58] <gnostic> wahhh
[17:58] <gnostic> I can't watch youtube
[17:58] <gnostic> is there a console client?
[17:58] <grandpa> spotify?
[17:59] <grandpa> theres a couple in the raspbian repo, i think
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[18:00] <grandpa> smtube is one
[18:00] <grandpa> never used it though
[18:00] <gnostic> i look
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[18:00] <grandpa> minitube too
[18:01] <Bilby> <nonsequitor>Wow, sqlite is super easy to use for persistant storage.</nonsequitor>
[18:01] <grandpa> havent used that one either
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[18:03] <Bilby> like... easier than trying to store CSV or XML files
[18:03] <grandpa> i just installed mysql the other day
[18:03] <grandpa> such a pain
[18:03] <grandpa> imho
[18:03] <grandpa> havent used sqlite
[18:04] <grandpa> not intentionally
[18:04] <grandpa> anyway
[18:04] <Bilby> I generally use MariaDB now instead of MySQL
[18:04] <Bilby> the nice thing is you can use all of the MySQL tools with it
[18:05] <Bilby> I'm trying sqlite with python and it's ver easy to deal with, there are only four basic data types for example
[18:05] <gordonDrogon> keep meaning to add sqlite access into my BASIC interpreter - one day ...
[18:05] <grandpa> hhehe
[18:06] <gordonDrogon> I added support for associative arrays with that in mind.... a$("foo") = "bar"
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[18:09] <sPJz> oh hai
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[18:10] <sPJz> so i recently got an rpi3 b+ and a sunfounder kit of 37 sensor modules. i'm trying to prototype a business idea i've had and would like to know what others think about developing with node and socket.io?
[18:10] <sPJz> also should i stick with raspbian, or is it worth setting up ARM funtoo/arch
[18:11] <gordonDrogon> do be aware that most of these little modules are 5v modules - it's aimed at Arduinos that kit. The Pi is 3.3v.
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[18:12] <gordonDrogon> deveop with what youre most comfortable with. Raspbian is the 99% install solution on Pi's though.
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[18:14] <ali1234> more importantly most of the stuff in those sensor kits is analog and won't work directly with the pi anyway
[18:15] <sPJz> since my prototype will only have components liek a fan, a servo, some LEDs, i can probably get away with using it for all i need. i will externally power if i need to
[18:15] <sPJz> what kinds of cool applications have you found for your pi?
[18:17] <grandpa> piratebox
[18:17] <grandpa> https://piratebox.cc/raspberry_pi
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[18:38] <niklas_e> is it easy to make rpi2b to run at maximum without getting it too hot and not voiding warrenty?
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[18:39] <niklas_e> it seems to crash after a while after i try to make it faster
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[18:39] <niklas_e> current CPU frequency is 400 MHz (asserted by call to hardware).
[18:39] <stiv> overclocking?
[18:39] <niklas_e> well it runs at 400Mhz, yeah
[18:40] <stiv> got heatsinks? some ventilation?
[18:40] <niklas_e> nope
[18:41] <niklas_e> you need that to run at 900MHz?
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[18:43] <ali1234> it is impossible to make the 2B overheat without putting it in an oven or something
[18:44] <niklas_e> ok,
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[18:45] <IT_Sean> heatsinks on raspis serve one one purpose: to seperate idiots from their money.
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[18:46] <niklas_e> it seems to stop everyone i try changeing settings. is there anyway you can find goof config.txt settings that will work?
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[19:15] <niston> heh http://www.arducam.com/
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[19:15] <niston> "ArduCAM team now is developing a coin size Raspberry Pi compatible compute module. "
[19:17] <kerio> do you even have enough space for connectors then
[19:18] <Syliss> its more of them getting the chips from broadcom
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[19:26] <evilptr> anybody here knows where to order pi equipment such as sensors, pinboards and the likes to scandinavia without paying too expensive shipping fees?
[19:27] <NedScott> internet
[19:27] <evilptr> NedScott, no kidding?
[19:27] <NedScott> it's all the rage these days
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[19:27] <evilptr> Wow, gotta check that out
[19:27] <NedScott> it's probably just a fad
[19:27] <evilptr> obviously
[19:28] <evilptr> I mean, machines actually communicating over stuff like serial lines or something?
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[19:28] <evilptr> that won't work
[19:29] <evilptr> I'm just in the need of a ph sensor, a humidity sensor and some leds
[19:30] <evilptr> it's for my marihuana growing
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[19:31] <evilptr> I need to communicate with them plants, see?
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[19:34] <evilptr> capital H is important H4ndy
[19:34] <H4ndy> it is
[19:34] <H4ndy> it means I am online
[19:34] <evilptr> Oh---
[19:34] <evilptr> nice trick
[19:34] <evilptr> try that over in #C
[19:34] <IT_Sean> Right... because that's an obvious indicator of online status. /carcasm
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[19:35] <IT_Sean> * /sarcasm
[19:35] <evilptr> You'll get kicked out of your boots
[19:35] <H4ndy> well it's better than chaging a suffix or something, especially on networks with reserved nicks
[19:35] <H4ndy> I do not frequent channels which are that tight up their ass when I can avoid it
[19:36] <evilptr> H4ndy, maybe you have some recommended places to shop for Pi gear shipping to the cold north of Scandinavia without making me broka AF
[19:37] <IT_Sean> Guys... lets keep an eye on the language, okay? As a reminder, channel rules are linked in the channel topic. Thanks. :)
[19:37] <H4ndy> I usually shop on thepihut.com (UK shop). Their prices are OKish and shipping reasonable to Europe
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[19:39] <H4ndy> but yeah, getting rpi stuff can be very unreliable or expensive :/
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[19:44] <Zeno`> there's nothing *really* wrong with #c
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[19:44] <Zeno`> that just, for some reason, don't tolerate beginners very well
[19:45] <H4ndy> usual issue of big communities unfortunately
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[19:45] <evilptr> H4ndy, ok, I'll check out the shipping
[19:45] <H4ndy> but I can understand the issues that arise when you need to explain basic stuff over and over
[19:45] <H4ndy> and many people just want to be spoon-fed answers
[19:46] <H4ndy> I hold the pi community in high regards with that, it's very welcoming
[19:46] <H4ndy> also a lot of people do some research before asking for help
[19:46] <evilptr> I use #C all the time, just not used to see nick changes flying by
[19:46] <H4ndy> I left #linux because of that issue
[19:47] <evilptr> it's anal, but needed
[19:47] <nerds> #C is invite only
[19:47] <nerds> how are you on #C
[19:47] <nerds> ##C is public tho
[19:47] <evilptr> nerds, who knows
[19:47] <nerds> well it says #c is pravate intvite only and ##C I been on for a loooong time
[19:48] <nerds> years
[19:48] <evilptr> nerds, what are you trying to say?
[19:48] <nerds> I think you made a mistake
[19:48] <nerds> ##c is probably where you've been
[19:48] <evilptr> oh. I didn't.
[19:49] <nerds> so an admin invited you personally to #C?
[19:50] <evilptr> I'm 40 years old, having done C in around 20, so there is a tiny possibility
[19:50] <H4ndy> #c is most likely closed by freenode staff since there is not official c channel
[19:50] <nerds> you're only 3 years older than me
[19:50] <nerds> and I have been programming since 6 years old whats the point
[19:50] <evilptr> my dad is stronger
[19:50] <H4ndy> wow, suddenly I feal young again \o/
[19:50] <nerds> all the numbers mean nothing to me
[19:50] <Zeno`> #c *is* ##c
[19:51] <nerds> Zeno` that's what I been trying to say
[19:51] <nerds> that #C is private and invite only
[19:51] <nerds> ##c is where it is that he meant
[19:51] <H4ndy> you just get redirected to ##c anyway
[19:51] <Zeno`> nerds, how do you join #c when it redirects?
[19:51] <nerds> you can't
[19:51] <nerds> it's invite only
[19:51] <evilptr> nope
[19:52] <evilptr> It's just idiots off limit
[19:52] <Zeno`> I think you might be confused :/
[19:54] <nerds> [01:54:15] #C unable to join channel (invite only)
[19:54] <nerds> evilptr becareful who you call an idiot
[19:55] <evilptr> I'm not calling anyone an idiot. Just saying #C are
[19:55] <nerds> oh
[19:55] <Zeno`> <Zeno`> are #C and ##C the same channel?
[19:55] <Zeno`> <drahosj> Zeno`: #c redirects to ##c
[19:55] <Zeno`> <CaZe> drahosj: What if the user ends input?
[19:55] <Zeno`> <Zeno`> or is #C some kind of secret invite only channel?
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[19:55] <Zeno`> <daegontaven> Zeno`: dont be ridiculous
[19:55] <Zeno`> <drahosj> Zeno`: It's Freenode naming conventions. Single #'s are reserved for official things ran by the owner/maintainer/creato
[19:55] <nerds> well the context looks crazy then
[19:55] <Zeno`> I made a fool of myself just to test
[19:56] <nerds> Well it may redirect but it's invite only now
[19:56] <nerds> It use to tho a few months ago just redirect
[19:56] <Zeno`> rubbish
[19:56] <nerds> lol
[19:56] <Zeno`> I've been going there for 10 years
[19:57] <nerds> redirects to the official chan
[19:57] <nerds> ##
[19:57] <nerds> who was there
[19:57] <nerds> I have been going to most of these channels I am on now since the early 90s
[19:58] <nerds> either here or other servers too
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[19:58] <evilptr> as long as everyone is happy, the world is a good place
[19:58] <Zeno`> nerds, /j ##c and suggest that
[19:58] <nerds> Zeno` suggest what
[19:58] <Zeno`> nerds, I'll be really interested in seeing what they say
[19:58] <nerds> I am in ##c
[19:58] <nerds> I told you I have been there
[19:58] <nerds> for eyars
[19:58] <nerds> for years*
[19:58] <nerds> I only had 5 years where I was absent and that was 2 years ago
[19:59] <nerds> was locked up
[19:59] <nerds> then was found innocent :)
[19:59] <evilptr> nerds, don't start again with that prison story, plz
[19:59] <nerds> lol
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[19:59] <nerds> you remembered
[20:00] <evilptr> who can forget
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[20:00] <nerds> the ones that get hectic in their talk I think is ##C++
[20:00] <nerds> and their forked channels
[20:00] <nerds> always some big debate
[20:00] <nerds> about the language
[20:01] <evilptr> my lang is better than yours
[20:01] <nerds> stuff that they can't possibly change nor should they argue about cause it's nonsensical and fruitless yet they still debate it constantly
[20:01] <nerds> well I am mohegan and I speak it too
[20:01] <nerds> so I doubt it
[20:01] <evilptr> my milkshake brings all the boys to the yard
[20:01] <nerds> :P
[20:01] * nerds is glad he does not drink milk
[20:02] * evilptr is going vegan
[20:02] <nerds> it's not healthy
[20:02] <nerds> I use to do it
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[20:02] <nerds> now I substitute sometimes
[20:02] <evilptr> milk is for cow babies
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[20:03] <nerds> I noticed in florida a lot of farms are selling non pasturized raw milk
[20:03] <evilptr> you're not a cow baby nerds. I've been inside myself
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[20:03] <nerds> there's a lot of lines during the summer and spring time out of these farms where people are picking it up
[20:04] <nerds> and it's expensive as hell
[20:04] <evilptr> that has a good ring: been inside myself
[20:04] <nerds> I use to know a priest that would go get it
[20:04] <nerds> he swore it was the greatest thing too
[20:04] <evilptr> was talking jail time
[20:04] <nerds> I must'a got lost.
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[20:05] <nerds> I've no clue now what you're talking about evil_dan2wik
[20:05] <nerds> evilptr*
[20:05] <evilptr> I was talking about Pi gear, then this whole thing blew up in my face
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[20:06] <nerds> Check this out: http://www.madwizard.org/electronics/projects/reflowoven/
[20:07] <nerds> a toaster oven to solder with
[20:07] <evilptr> I need ph sensors, humidity sensors and leds + a pin board shipped to Scandinavia
[20:07] <evilptr> It's for my grow shop
[20:07] <nerds> nice
[20:07] <Zeno`> I apologise, nerds
[20:07] <nerds> Scandinavia huh
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[20:07] <nerds> Zeno`, for what?
[20:08] <Zeno`> well pragma- says you can join #C without being redirected
[20:08] <Zeno`> So I was wrong
[20:08] <evilptr> here it comes
[20:08] <nerds> I run an older client too
[20:09] <nerds> evilptr, what are you setting up to grow in there?
[20:09] <nerds> veggies and such
[20:09] <evilptr> tomatoes, obviously
[20:10] <Zeno`> lol
[20:10] <nerds> I would have everything in there
[20:10] <evilptr> ph is a bitch
[20:10] <Zeno`> well, they vaguely look like tomato plants
[20:10] <nerds> I know
[20:10] <nerds> evilptr, use a fish pond
[20:10] <evilptr> needs monitoring. constantly
[20:10] <nerds> it's easier
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[20:10] <nerds> man made pond tho
[20:11] <evilptr> wt?
[20:11] <nerds> I found it a lot easier to control everything with a fish pond
[20:11] <nerds> for the water
[20:11] <nerds> ph balance?
[20:11] <evilptr> fish pond?
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[20:11] <nerds> yeah
[20:11] <H4ndy> what's your project name? 420PiIt?
[20:11] <evilptr> what's that?
[20:11] <nerds> the water is excellent source of nutrition
[20:11] <nerds> nitrogen etc...
[20:12] <nerds> H4ndy it's for veggies
[20:12] <nerds> and it's evilptr's project
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[20:12] <evilptr> I use clean organic soil
[20:12] <nerds> yeah just soil won't cut it
[20:12] <evilptr> no additives
[20:13] <nerds> I don't use additives in mine either
[20:13] <evilptr> It needs to be 100% organic
[20:13] <nerds> I have a suspended system too
[20:13] <nerds> that grows organics
[20:13] <nerds> I may take pictures sometime
[20:13] <nerds> my son maintains it for me and he's only 14
[20:13] <nerds> and I never really had issues with it
[20:14] * ShorTie puts chicken manure in .. :/~
[20:14] <nerds> fish excrement is the best
[20:14] <evilptr> need to get to them while they're young
[20:14] <nerds> well we have a mini farm
[20:14] <binaryhermit> ShorTie: that's chicken (expletive)
[20:14] <nerds> he's been out there since 3 years old tending to it
[20:14] <ShorTie> me 2
[20:14] <evilptr> growing up as farmers in a time like this?
[20:15] <evilptr> hard labor, man
[20:15] <nerds> no it's not
[20:15] <nerds> not done right with the right tools
[20:15] <nerds> and I am not a farmer
[20:15] <nerds> lol
[20:15] <ShorTie> right tools are the key
[20:15] <evilptr> nerds, yes you are
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[20:15] <nerds> not in the sense like you'd see on tv and crap
[20:16] <nerds> and I don't sell to anyone I eat it
[20:16] <evilptr> nerds, what channel?
[20:16] <evilptr> I eat my tomatoes too
[20:16] <nerds> what about asparagus
[20:16] <evilptr> good AF
[20:17] <nerds> asparagus with garlic and red potatoes with steak
[20:17] <nerds> onions peppers
[20:17] <nerds> mmmhmmm
[20:17] <evilptr> cut the steak and I'm in
[20:17] <nerds> love crunchy asparagus too
[20:17] * evilptr has gone vegan
[20:17] <nerds> well my sister can make this turkey substitute that looks and tastes just like steak
[20:17] <nerds> and it's healthier for you
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[20:18] <nerds> she got me hooked on it
[20:18] <evilptr> good
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[20:18] <evilptr> animals have a right to live as well
[20:18] <nerds> her husband has issues with red meat so she switched it all over to turkey
[20:18] <nerds> evilptr and the animals kill too
[20:18] <nerds> everything eaten was alive
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[20:19] <nerds> :o
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[20:19] <evilptr> I have no friends. Don't like people. World makes me sad.
[20:19] <nerds> good luck with that
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[20:20] <evilptr> natural born terrorist
[20:20] * nerds goes to get something to eat
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[20:25] * IT_Sean looks at the clock and sighs, as it is nowhere near lunchtime yet
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[20:25] * ShorTie tosses IT_Sean a sneaker
[20:25] <IT_Sean> (o_O)
[20:26] <ShorTie> oop's mean a snickers
[20:26] <Zeno`> lol
[20:26] * ShorTie snickers
[20:26] <IT_Sean> I don't want candy, man, I wan PHOOOOD!
[20:26] <IT_Sean> It's another two hours 'till my linner break.
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[20:31] <evilptr> pine64
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[21:35] <ThePendulum> 'lo
[21:35] <ThePendulum> is anyone using a Pi as a server for an IP security camera?
[21:36] <SpeedEvil> I have motion running with USB on my server.
[21:36] <SpeedEvil> That would work as well on a pi
[21:36] <ThePendulum> motion is software?
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[21:37] <ThePendulum> we're looking into getting security cameras before leaving for holiday
[21:37] <SpeedEvil> http://www.lavrsen.dk/foswiki/bin/view/Motion/MotionGuide
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[21:47] <Jusii> motioneye and motioneyeos
[21:48] <Jusii> basically motion with web gui
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[21:50] <biberao> hi
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[21:50] <ThePendulum> I'm firstly looking to get an image from an IP camera at all, motion detecting is an interesting second feature
[21:51] <biberao> damn rainbow screen on rpi2
[21:51] <biberao> :|
[21:51] <ThePendulum> hm? from the hdmi?
[21:51] <biberao> nah
[21:51] <biberao> ttrs
[21:51] <biberao> thingy
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[21:55] <methuzla> biberao, undervoltage. check power supply.
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[21:59] <ShorTie> could be as simple as a cheapy phone charging micro-usb cable
[22:00] * ShorTie wonders if his cord has 24awg printed on it
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[22:00] <ThePendulum> 24awg heh
[22:01] <ShorTie> means it is real copper and not tensle coated plastic wire
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[22:13] <[Saint]> Errr...no it doesn't.
[22:14] <[Saint]> AWG means nothing except American Wire Gauge, and it suggests nothing about the construction of anything other than the gauge of the wire used.
[22:15] <IT_Sean> [Saint] is correct.
[22:16] <ShorTie> KISS it !!
[22:17] <[Saint]> KISS != "Be freely wrong about things"
[22:17] <[Saint]> You bring that up all the time when you;'re corrected.
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[22:17] <PJosepherum> hey can anybody assist me? i've followed the instructions here: https://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv6/raspberry-pi
[22:18] <PJosepherum> and upon booting the pi, i can't get past the rainbow screen
[22:18] <methuzla> power supply?
[22:19] <PJosepherum> mains usb thing
[22:19] <PJosepherum> the 5v cable which came with it
[22:19] <methuzla> what is the power supply rated at?
[22:19] <mfa298> (reading up a bit) lack of an AWG rating on a cable doesn't prove anything either. I've got some decent micro USB cables that have no rating printed on the side.
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[22:20] <PJosepherum> 5v. it worked with the noobs os preloaded on the card that came with my device
[22:20] <ShorTie> means it can't find the stuff it needs to boot, ie: the sdcard was not created correctly
[22:20] <PJosepherum> i followed the directions exactly. i was confused that it didn;t seem to say i need to pacstrap or install any packages, let alone install a bootloader
[22:21] <PJosepherum> i simply created a 100M boot partition at sdc1 and used the rest on sdc2 as root
[22:21] <PJosepherum> then moved the contents of /root/boot to /boot
[22:22] <methuzla> how much current can the power supply output at 5v?
[22:22] <PJosepherum> i don't think it is a power issue. i have had the device working on the noobs raspbian
[22:22] <PJosepherum> that came with it
[22:22] <PJosepherum> iw as trying to install an alternative ARM distro
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[22:23] <PJosepherum> and i am only using the equipment which came with the device
[22:23] <mfa298> PJosepherum: when you created the /boot partition did you format as Fat or something else (ext, exfat, ntfs ...)
[22:24] <PJosepherum> /boot (sdc1) is vfat, and /root (sdc2) is ext4
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[22:24] <PJosepherum> i literally followed these instructions: https://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv6/raspberry-pi
[22:24] <PJosepherum> perhaps this is not the correct model of pi
[22:25] <PJosepherum> no i don't think that is the issue
[22:25] <mfa298> which model of pi is it you've got ?
[22:25] <PJosepherum> RPiv3 B+
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[22:26] <PJosepherum> i suspect that i need to install some base packages as would be the case for a desktop install - however attempting to pacstrap /root with base and base-devel announced a conflict with the linux and linux-raspberrypi packages
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[22:28] <PJosepherum> this guy uses a different image to flash the MMC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktta8hbJ-UY and his encironment gets farther than the display test
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[22:28] <PJosepherum> curiously my network appears to recognise the pi and i can ping its address
[22:28] <mfa298> seens like its for a fairly recent kernel and firmware in there (based on file times) so would seem likely it'll be compatible
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[22:29] <PJosepherum> however i can't SSH like the instructions suggest: https://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv6/raspberry-pi
[22:29] <mfa298> I don't know how the arch stuff works to comment properly though
[22:29] <PJosepherum> Insert the SD card into the Raspberry Pi, connect ethernet, and apply 5V power.
[22:29] <PJosepherum> Use the serial console or SSH to the IP address given to the board by your router.
[22:29] <PJosepherum> Login as the default user alarm with the password alarm.
[22:29] <PJosepherum> The default root password is root.
[22:29] <PJosepherum> which ditro do you guys use?
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[22:29] <mfa298> I just use raspbian
[22:29] <PJosepherum> should i try with raspbian for simplicity?
[22:29] <PJosepherum> fair i'll give it a go
[22:29] <PJosepherum> i really do like arch though
[22:30] <mfa298> depends on what you like/want I tend to want somethign that's fairly stable
[22:31] <PJosepherum> arch is stable :p
[22:31] <PJosepherum> just bleeding edge
[22:31] <mfa298> the Pi3 can have a network boot option so it's possible it's done that if it doesn't like the SD card, However I think you've got to program a OTP bit on the CPU to enable that
[22:31] <PJosepherum> i'll try raspbian, but i don't like the bloat
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[22:31] <mfa298> there's Jessie Lite which has a lot of the bloat cut out
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[22:32] <mfa298> I've seen odd comments about arch breaking horribly if you don't upgrade regularly, I'm not sure I'd call that stable.
[22:33] <PJosepherum> nah that's hyperbole
[22:33] <PJosepherum> arch is stable, it's jsut rolling release and you have to pay attention to what you are running on it
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[22:33] <PJosepherum> the great thing about it is that it won't do anything you don't explicitly tell it to do
[22:34] <mfa298> I just found https://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv8/broadcom/raspberry-pi-3
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[22:34] <mfa298> which looks to be subtly different
[22:34] <PJosepherum> yeah the way i installed was by extracting a tar.gx rather than DDing an image
[22:35] <PJosepherum> this is probably the correct instructions et - the one i was using was ARMv6 :/
[22:35] <mfa298> I come from a server background. If I set something up I don't want it going wrong because a package has had a major version upgrade.
[22:36] <mfa298> As generally you'll find that sort of thing happens on the worst day of the year and it'll be a major version that breaks everthing
[22:36] <PJosepherum> sure i appreciate that, however the packahe manager does make you aware of breaking changes
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[22:36] <PJosepherum> and even saves config files that are overwritten
[22:36] <mfa298> that link I found looks to do the same thing, but with a different .tar.gz
[22:36] <PJosepherum> it's very powerful, and of course, the AUR is amazing
[22:37] <PJosepherum> probably the correct image, since it is a different ARM verison :)
[22:37] <PJosepherum> i'll try it thanks
[22:38] <ekarlso-> is the rpi uart lines 5V tolerant ?
[22:38] <ekarlso-> or are they 3.3v
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[22:39] <mfa298> It's more that breaking changes are the issue, rather than not being made aware of them. Major upgrades tend to need lots of effort, planning and testing when you work on bigger things. To the point that in one place I worked major changes were limited to certain times of the year.
[22:39] <mfa298> ekarlso-: *all* gpio on the pi is 3v3 only and *not* 5V tolerant
[22:40] <IT_Sean> 5V on a GPIO pin *WILL* release the magical blue smoke!
[22:40] <kerio> except the 5V pin
[22:40] <ekarlso-> so need a logic converter then I guess
[22:40] <kerio> that's fine
[22:40] <ekarlso-> for arduino > rasp ttl
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[22:44] <PJosepherum> looks like i was flashing the wrong image :)
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[22:44] <PJosepherum> a little skeptical that they want me to install ArchLinuxARM-rpi-2-latest
[22:44] <PJosepherum> rather than -3
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[22:46] <mfa298> The original Pi hardware was slightly odd in being armv6 and hardfloat, the Pi2/Pi3 are more normal (hence why a lot more distros support them)
[22:46] <mfa298> that's my guessing at least.
[22:46] <mfa298> maybe they'll do a -3 sometime if/when there's 64bit support in the VC/firmware blob
[22:47] <JakeSays> so i didnt think armel binaries could run on armhf platforms
[22:47] <PJosepherum> i see )
[22:47] <PJosepherum> just flashing now, i think this will work. many thanks
[22:48] <mistiry> ok guys, im in a bit of a dilemma...i have an addon board to my pi that has three extra NICs on it (they are using the same exact NIC module as the RPi), all three extra interfaces (eth1-3) show up with the SAME mac address. in /proc/cmdline i see where the OS is setting that (smsc95xx.macaddr) and i know thats based off cpu serial, my question is: how can i set the mac address of the extra nics this
[22:48] <mistiry> same way? i am working out how to assign the mac addresses next, but first i need to know i can override them the right way
[22:48] <mistiry> oh wow
[22:48] <mistiry> sorry for wall
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[22:49] <JakeSays> that seems like lot of nics for a pi
[22:49] <mistiry> since its the same NIC module and such, its also using the smsc95xx driver
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[22:50] <mistiry> JakeSays: yeah thats a long story lol
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[22:51] <JakeSays> wth is the name of the latest ubuntu release
[22:51] <JakeSays> x something
[22:51] <leftyfb> JakeSays: Xenial
[22:51] <JakeSays> ah thats it leftyfb thanks
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[22:51] <leftyfb> mistiry: first question, why do you need to set a different mac for each nic?(I know many reason why someone would. But why do you?)
[22:52] <JakeSays> well if you dont then its kind of hard to use them as separate nics
[22:52] <mistiry> ^
[22:52] <JakeSays> you can do multiplexing but thats about it
[22:52] <leftyfb> JakeSays: not exactly true
[22:52] <mistiry> because right now they're all acting as one
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[22:52] <leftyfb> if they're meant to completely separate(physical) networks, then it should be fine
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[22:52] <mfa298> mac address only needs to be unique on the local segment, so if they're on different networks having the same mac shouldn't be an issue
[22:52] <leftyfb> if they're meant for the same network, why?
[22:53] <PJosepherum> yay, thanks man
[22:53] <PJosepherum> works a treat :)
[22:53] <JakeSays> yeah but how would the device route traffic across nics? by ip address alone?
[22:53] <leftyfb> yes
[22:53] <JakeSays> ah ok
[22:53] <JakeSays> yeah makes sense then
[22:54] <leftyfb> mistiry: lets try a different question, what's the purpose behind multiple nics on the pi? (in your case)
[22:54] <JakeSays> yeah i'm curious
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[22:55] <mfa298> PJosepherum: good to hear, It might help if they had a note on those pages making you aware of the other variation.
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[22:56] <mistiry> leftyfb: well a couple of different possiblities; in one case it wont matter so much since its for separate networks (although i still dont like having multiple NICs with the same MAC because youre not supposed to have), but theres also cases where the device is in an environment where eth0 and eth1 (or the others) are on the same network - eth0 is dedicated for X, eth1 is dedicated for Y
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[22:57] <leftyfb> mistiry: if you're dedicating services to an ip, then your best bet is set an alias on 1 nic on the same network segment
[22:57] <mfa298> mistiry: dedicated nics like that aren't likely to work exactly as you expect.
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[22:57] <JakeSays> yeah
[22:57] <JakeSays> you can assign multiple ip's to a nic
[22:57] <mistiry> im aware
[22:57] <mistiry> and we've done that
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[22:58] <leftyfb> mistiry: in the grand scheme of things, 2 nics on the same network from a pi isn't going to buy you anything. They're all limited by the same usb bus
[22:58] <mistiry> let me explain a bit more
[22:58] <mfa298> if you really want multiple links on the same network get a decent managed switch and use LACP, although I don't see much point of that on Pi
[22:58] <mistiry> i am tasked with figuring this out as is
[22:58] <mistiry> i did not create this
[22:58] <JakeSays> the pi just isn't powerful enough to do much with two nics
[22:58] <mistiry> we power it over gpio
[22:58] <mistiry> with our own addon board
[22:58] <mistiry> not usb
[22:58] <JakeSays> that can't be faster than usb
[22:58] <JakeSays> but thats interesting tho
[22:58] <leftyfb> mistiry: the nic on the pi is connected over the usb bus
[22:58] <mistiry> i know
[22:58] <mfa298> 2 nics on the same segment also means some sessions will go in one nic and out the other, the whole session won't sit on the single nick
[22:58] <mistiry> as are the three on the addon board
[22:59] <mistiry> same USB hub chip too
[22:59] <JakeSays> mistiry: heh. if its your board then why doesnt it assign mac's itself?
[22:59] <leftyfb> JakeSays: because they're not real NICs
[22:59] <mistiry> ^
[22:59] <JakeSays> ah so they're just basically connectors?
[22:59] <mistiry> basically
[22:59] <JakeSays> whats the use case?
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[23:00] <leftyfb> personally, I would do a tagged network port and separate VLAN's and alias interfaces. You'll get the exact same performance then doing your faux multiple nics
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[23:01] <JakeSays> i'd buy a hub and three usb nics.
[23:01] <leftyfb> or that
[23:01] <mfa298> agreed with leftyfb
[23:01] <leftyfb> but there's really no point
[23:01] <leftyfb> you'll still not gain anything
[23:01] <JakeSays> mistiry: but i am genuinely curious what you're up to
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[23:02] <JakeSays> leftyfb: well, there is if you want to use it between two physical networks, performance notwithstanding
[23:02] <mistiry> the previous model of this device we have (rpi 2) did the aliasing and only had one nic we only added serial ports
[23:02] <mistiry> JakeSays: and in some cases we DO have it dual-homed
[23:02] <mistiry> this is basically a data capture device for the most part
[23:03] <JakeSays> oh interesting
[23:03] <oq> like pentesting?
[23:03] <mistiry> we have a few different devices that are pi based that we use to capture various data from sensors and meters
[23:03] <mistiry> not pentesting
[23:03] <JakeSays> mistiry: sounds like fun
[23:04] <mistiry> device hooks up to a few serial devices, or can support going over IP (part of the several-NICs thing)
[23:04] <mistiry> it works well but this new revision is killing me with these 3 extra NICs
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[23:04] <mistiry> i can override the MAC via 'macchanger' or using /etc/network/interfaces
[23:04] <leftyfb> some engineer who doesn't understand networking threw those in there thinking they were going to solve something
[23:04] <mistiry> but thats too hacky for my tastes
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[23:05] <mistiry> leftyfb: thats pretty much it, yes
[23:05] <leftyfb> mistiry: what you're doing is hacky :)
[23:05] <JakeSays> *sigh* seems ubuntu does their own thing when it comes to configuring network interfaces
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[23:05] <leftyfb> JakeSays: how so?
[23:05] <mistiry> yeah dhcpcd.conf or whatever on the new verisons
[23:05] <JakeSays> it has no /etc/network/interface
[23:05] <leftyfb> JakeSays: no different than debian or raspbian
[23:05] <leftyfb> JakeSays: yes it does
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[23:05] <JakeSays> it has interfaces
[23:05] <mistiry> leftyfb: i wont argue with that (what we're doing is hacky)
[23:05] <JakeSays> but it only has loopback in it
[23:05] <mistiry> JakeSays: you have to use dhcpcd.conf now
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[23:06] <JakeSays> bah
[23:06] <leftyfb> JakeSays: in a desktop environment, it uses network manager
[23:06] <JakeSays> see, that sucks
[23:06] <leftyfb> JakeSays: debian does the same thing
[23:06] <JakeSays> not when you dont have a desktop env.
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[23:06] <leftyfb> JakeSays: same with ubuntu
[23:06] <leftyfb> JakeSays: they're both exactly the same in this aspect
[23:07] <leftyfb> JakeSays: if you install the server environment(or no desktop), then you can utilize e/n/i
[23:07] <mistiry> anywho, guess ill just hack up a way to do it with interfaces file or something :(
[23:07] <JakeSays> i just want *one* way to do things, dammit
[23:07] <mistiry> systemd!
[23:07] <JakeSays> ok not that one way
[23:07] <leftyfb> JakeSays: if you're using the desktop, then use network manager
[23:08] <leftyfb> JakeSays: if you're not, then use e/n/i
[23:08] <JakeSays> that will let me bridge a tap device?
[23:08] <leftyfb> JakeSays: in ubuntu 16.04, you can bridge interfaces, yes
[23:08] <leftyfb> in network manager
[23:08] <JakeSays> ok cool
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[23:09] <JakeSays> wth where is the network manager?
[23:10] <leftyfb> JakeSays: top right
[23:10] <leftyfb> in the panel
[23:10] <JakeSays> which panel?
[23:11] <H4ndy> taskbar thingy
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[23:12] <leftyfb> JakeSays: http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/news2/ubuntu-16-04-lts-xenial-xerus-final-beta-screenshot-tour-502161-7.jpg
[23:12] <leftyfb> does your desktop look like that?
[23:12] <JakeSays> ah no
[23:12] <leftyfb> JakeSays: also, is this on a pc or pi?
[23:12] <JakeSays> i'm running kubuntu
[23:12] <leftyfb> ah
[23:12] <leftyfb> that's not network manager then
[23:12] <JakeSays> leftyfb: its in a vmware vm
[23:12] <JakeSays> so yeah pc
[23:12] <leftyfb> you use some sort of network config GUI that starts with a k
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[23:13] <leftyfb> well, more than likely
[23:13] <leftyfb> JakeSays: each desktop environment typically reinvents the wheel and has different applications and utilities for everything
[23:14] <JakeSays> yeah i really regret going with kubuntu
[23:14] <JakeSays> its much worse than i thought it would be
[23:14] <leftyfb> JakeSays: can I ask why you're running a linux desktop environment in a vm?
[23:14] <leftyfb> not against it, just curious
[23:15] <leftyfb> there's usually better ways to accomplish the end goal
[23:15] <JakeSays> leftyfb: i dont have spare hardware capable enough for what i'm doing
[23:17] <mistiry> eh, i have a linux desktop vm on my mac. not that i really use it much though.
[23:18] <JakeSays> and i have a mac that i'd gladly put linux on if i could
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[23:18] <mistiry> i like my mac
[23:18] <leftyfb> JakeSays: why can't you?
[23:18] <mistiry> no need to replace it with nix
[23:18] <JakeSays> leftyfb: i didnt think it worked
[23:19] <leftyfb> JakeSays: it does
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[23:19] <JakeSays> leftyfb: not me. i can't stand osux.
[23:19] <JakeSays> leftyfb: it does??
[23:19] <JakeSays> man that'd be awesome
[23:19] <leftyfb> http://www.cultofmac.com/405509/how-to-try-linux-without-risking-your-mac/
[23:19] <leftyfb> first result on google
[23:19] <mistiry> pretty sure youve been able to run linux on a mac since at least the switch from ppc->intel
[23:20] <JakeSays> oh well i dont want to use bootcamp.
[23:20] <leftyfb> longer than that
[23:20] <JakeSays> i want to *replace* osux
[23:20] <leftyfb> you don't need to
[23:20] <leftyfb> hold on
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[23:20] <deadhound> I just got my pi in the mail. Any suggested method for installing jessie lite from macOS?
[23:21] <leftyfb> JakeSays: http://lifehacker.com/5531037/how-to-triple-boot-your-mac-with-windows-and-linux-no-boot-camp-required
[23:21] <leftyfb> JakeSays: might be a bit outdated
[23:21] <JakeSays> yeah i read that
[23:21] <leftyfb> JakeSays: also, if anything tells you to use refit, use refind instead
[23:21] <JakeSays> it still requires osx though, doesnt it?
[23:21] <JakeSays> i just want to wipe the drive and install linux
[23:22] <JakeSays> primarily because this machine has an encrypted drive
[23:22] <JakeSays> so i have to wipe it regardless
[23:22] <deadhound> yeah refind is great
[23:23] <JakeSays> deadhound: can't you just dd (or whatever osx has) the jessie image to the sd card?
[23:23] <leftyfb> you should be able to
[23:24] <mistiry> yes you want dd
[23:24] <mistiry> it is native on mac
[23:24] <deadhound> yeah i can just making sure
[23:24] <deadhound> also isn't there an issue with kingston cards?
[23:24] <deadhound> cos i think i made a mistake on that already haha
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[23:24] <JakeSays> deadhound: sd cards?
[23:24] <deadhound> yeah
[23:24] <JakeSays> probably
[23:24] <mistiry> we use swissbit
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[23:24] <mistiry> ive also had some sandisk and lexar's
[23:24] <JakeSays> i use either sandisk or samsung
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[23:25] <JakeSays> well i suppose i could re-install osx and reduce its partition down to bare minimum
[23:25] <JakeSays> maybe only lose 50gb or so
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[23:26] <deadhound> well going to try it
[23:27] <lopta> Good luck!
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[23:31] <deadhound> thanks!
[23:31] <JakeSays> i was trying out enlightenment but it won't work with two monitors in vmware
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[23:38] <strfry> Anyone has experience with a secondary SD card connected to the SPI?
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[23:40] <jancoow> for what reason would you do that strfry?
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[23:42] <binaryhermit> you might be better off with a USB card reader and a hub if needed?
[23:43] <strfry> jancoow: i have a chinese gps hat with a microsd slot, and i want to make use of that
[23:44] <strfry> i always keep losng my usb readers, and instead find the shitty ones that dont even support SDHC ;)
[23:45] <IT_Sean> strfry, please review the channel rules, which are linked in the topic. Thank you.
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[23:47] <JakeSays> bah this is giving me a mean headache
[23:48] <lopta> RAID over an SPI bus? :-)
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[23:51] <strfry> IT_Sean: i'll do that once i have a browser at hand
[23:54] <DrSchlock> For all linux variants for the Raspberry Pi, are they required to use the special kernel.img or kernel7.img boot partition images, or do other kernels work?
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[23:56] <pksato> DrSchlock: these are default file name, can be changed on config.txt.
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[23:58] <DrSchlock> pksato: What I mean is, are those kernel images required to be one of the ones built by the raspberry pi foundation in order for pi to boot properly?
[23:59] <pksato> any kernel or arm binary
[23:59] <oq> DrSchlock: https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/linux/kernel/building.md ?
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