#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2016-07-29

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[0:00] <DrSchlock> I'm trying to get a OpwnWRT running on the Pi3. I have an image that works fine on the Pi2 but will not work on the pi3. From what I understand, the pi3 requires a different/newer kernel.
[0:01] <DrSchlock> So is it just a matter of replacing the kernel.img with a newer one?
[0:01] <DrSchlock> *OpenWRT
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[0:01] <pksato> http://www.valvers.com/open-software/raspberry-pi/step01-bare-metal-programming-in-cpt1/
[0:02] <PhotoJim> probably, but if OpenWRT updates kernels automatically, then it might break itself. they don't have an image that's designed for the Pi3?
[0:02] <PhotoJim> the correct way to do this would be to use that and to deploy your configuration on there
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[0:02] <pksato> DrSchlock: need to update firmware files. (all files on /boot)
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[0:03] <pksato> copy from a working normal linux.
[0:03] <pksato> or from git
[0:04] <pksato> https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware
[0:05] <DrSchlock> PhotoJim: They have a target profile for it in their buildroot in trunk, but it currently has issues (boots to readonly root fs, segfaults on attempts to mount it: https://forum.openwrt.org/viewtopic.php?id=65825)
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[0:05] <PhotoJim> ahh
[0:05] <PhotoJim> my guess is you'd have similar issues adapting your image to the new hardware then too
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[0:07] <DrSchlock> pksato: thanks. I'll try that. I'll use the OpenWRT pi2 root partition and the files from raspberry pi's github for the boot partition and see if that works
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[0:55] <JakeSays> networking with qemu is just painful
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[0:56] <giddles> EmUlAT0R
[0:56] <JakeSays> it just sucks
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[1:24] <snfgf> if i am to run kodi is there any advantage to having kodi run on amazon fire stick over kodi on raspberry pi?
[1:26] <oq> no
[1:26] <oq> maybe in the future you would want to upgrade to hardware with h265 support but neither support that
[1:27] <oq> hardware accelerated h265
[1:28] <oq> snfgf: I suppose you would be able to use usb storage with the pi but not the fire
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[1:29] <chithead> or you get one of those http://www.gearbest.com/tv-box-mini-pc/pp_390235.html
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[1:43] <snfgf> oq, ty, so what does fire tv offer that pi + kodi does not, i am struggling to know its purpose
[1:43] <oq> snfgf: lots of different products exist that do the same thing
[1:43] <oq> it's capitalism
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[1:48] <deadhound> do i need a heatsink or anything to be using a pi? i literally just have the board out
[1:48] <deadhound> to be using pi safely*
[1:48] <Robdgreat> deadhound: so do most of us
[1:49] <deadhound> ok there's no issue with that? i'm assuming unless you are doing something intensive?
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[1:49] <Robdgreat> I hesitate to speak for everyone, but I've never put a heatsink on mine
[1:49] <deadhound> ok cool
[1:50] <deadhound> and do we know if pi 3 model b supports 5ghz wifi?
[1:50] <deadhound> or only 2.4?
[1:50] <chithead> only 2.4
[1:50] <deadhound> thanks! love this channel ^_^
[1:51] <IT_Sean> heatsinks for raspis serve to do nothing except seperate idiots from their monety
[1:51] <IT_Sean> *money
[1:51] <chithead> a heatsink is not necessary, the pi 3 will however throttle under load. pi 1 and pi 2 do not benefit at all.
[1:51] <deadhound> hahaha nice
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[1:53] <deadhound> already got my lil man running headless mode on wifi :) i love this thing already
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[1:57] <[Saint]> Damn it's nice to see some sense from someone else every once in a while.
[1:57] <[Saint]> Thanks for keeping it real, IT_Sean
[1:58] <[Saint]> I had the heatsink argument with someone in #kodi the other day to ne avail.
[1:58] <[Saint]> s/ne/no/
[1:58] <oq> don't you have a heatsink on your pi [Saint]?
[1:59] <[Saint]> I have one on one of my Pi 3s that I made for a joke on a G+ post, yes.
[1:59] <deadhound> chithead so pi 3 throttling under load - still doesn't need a heatsink, right?
[1:59] <[Saint]> I found a tiny little 150mm fan I wanted to use.
[1:59] <chithead> it will just be slower, but still run stable
[2:00] <deadhound> ok
[2:00] <[Saint]> So I made it to make a "heatsink for ants" joke on Google+
[2:00] <deadhound> i don't have any fans on it either
[2:00] <chithead> active cooling is not necessary, a tiny heatsink will eliminate the throttling already
[2:00] <IT_Sean> no problem, [Saint]
[2:00] <[Saint]> The fan I have on it does keep it around 15C lower than it does without the fan on.
[2:00] <deadhound> does anyone think i could use a i5 on my new pi board? need the dedicated gfx for gaming
[2:00] <[Saint]> But it is worth noting that that 15C makes precisely zero difference.
[2:00] <deadhound> jk
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[2:01] <deadhound> i'm sure other great questions could be "how do i run windows on my pi?" hahah
[2:01] <chithead> the rpi3 will start to throttle around 85°C
[2:01] <chithead> deadhound: can download windows 10 iot core for the rpi2+3 from microsoft
[2:02] <[Saint]> So I'm only really cooling for the sake of cooling in that instance. It's a 5V 150mm brushless fan running on 3.3V with a tiny little aluminium cooler on it - it is very much just there for lols.
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[2:02] <[Saint]> None of the other boards I have out there in the wild need anything more than passive cooling.
[2:02] * IT_Sean sighs
[2:02] * IT_Sean slaps deadhound
[2:03] <[Saint]> I even took the fans off the ODROID XU4 boards I have deployed because they were pretty needless in my deployments and kinda loud.
[2:03] <IT_Sean> If you ask how to plug a GTX 1070 into your Pi, I will hunt you down and give you an atomic wedgie
[2:03] <deadhound> hahahah
[2:03] <[Saint]> Those deployments kinda rely on the case getting up to temperature and then staying there.
[2:04] <deadhound> :p but serious question: what is suggested webserver for pi 3 running jessie lite? i thought i heard LEMP the other day
[2:04] <[Saint]> Those ODROID deployments aren't really doing a hell of a lot of work.
[2:04] <oq> deadhound: nginx
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[2:04] <[Saint]> Though I imagine other people using them for some real heavy duty CPU or GPU work would want active cooling.
[2:04] <chithead> nginx on debian is a big monolithic piece of crap
[2:04] <[Saint]> I, however, don't.
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[2:04] <[Saint]> So I opted for silence.
[2:04] <oq> wot
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[2:05] <strfry> my experience is that the pi3 begins to segfault randomly under stress without cooling
[2:05] <[Saint]> are you perhaps also agressively overclocking/overvolting?
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[2:05] <strfry> [Saint]: no, i didn't change any of the defaults
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[2:05] <[Saint]> Interesting.
[2:06] <[Saint]> I would guess defective units certainly exist. It is also possible that you have a particularly dirty power supply.
[2:06] <deadhound> so nginx or no? hah i am used to apache but if there's something lighter i would prefer that
[2:06] <chithead> STANDARD HTTP MODULES: Core, Access, Auth Basic, Auto Index, Browser, Charset, Empty GIF, FastCGI, Geo, Gzip, Headers, Index, Limit Requests, Limit Zone, Log, Map, Memcached, Proxy, Referer, Rewrite, SCGI, Split Clients, SSI, Upstream, User ID, UWSGI. OPTIONAL HTTP MODULES: Addition, Auth Request, Debug, GeoIP, Gzip Precompression, HTTP Sub, Image Filter, IPv6, Real IP, Spdy, SSL, Stub Status, Substitution, WebDAV, XSLT. MAIL MODULES:
[2:06] <chithead> Mail Core, IMAP, POP3, SMTP, SSL. THIRD PARTY MODULES: Auth PAM, DAV Ext, Echo, HTTP Substitution Filter, Upstream Fair Queue.
[2:06] <oq> deadhound: nginx is certainly better suited for a pi than apache
[2:07] <chithead> that is what the default install of nginx on debian gives you, if you need it or not
[2:09] <oq> chithead: perhaps the nginx-light package would be more suited for your tastes
[2:09] <chithead> yes, but if you need only one of the modules that is not in light (e.g. geoip) then you are sol
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[2:10] <deadhound> i suppose full nginx can't be that big on jessie-lite?
[2:11] <oq> deadhound: a full megabyte perhaps?
[2:12] <chithead> nginx-full is ~1.5 mb
[2:13] <chithead> oh wait it is 1.0 mb, the -extras which contains everything and the kitchen sink is 1.5 mb
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[2:13] <oq> not exactly monolithic
[2:14] <chithead> monolithic refers to the fact that everything is built into one binary
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[2:19] <deadhound> oh yeah that will work just fine
[2:19] <deadhound> thanks!
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[2:42] <[Saint]> I found a very stable overclock/underclock for my sole Model B+ remaining in deployment.
[2:42] <[Saint]> http://pastebin.com/qcVzdK24
[2:43] <[Saint]> It actually very highly resembles the profile that I use for the Raspberry Pi 3.
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[2:44] <[Saint]> Except the Raspberry Pi 3 config I have has the overclocking at 1.45GHz (I have my own at 1.55GHz but I toned it down very slightly for wide deployment).
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[2:45] <[Saint]> Oh, and in the other applications I don't have all the protocols enabled (spi, i2s, i2c), or serial access, or remote GPIO access.
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[2:46] <[Saint]> This sole remaining Model B+ I have in deployment is a bit of a jack of all trades and sits there diligently doing its (very limited) job.
[2:46] <[Saint]> (it's a deadman switch with local or remote panic)
[2:47] <IT_Sean> What happens whne it panics?
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[2:47] <[Saint]> Triggers a full shutdown of my servers.
[2:47] <IT_Sean> Why would you want a dms to kill your servers?
[2:48] <Chillum> it runs around in circles screaming
[2:48] <IT_Sean> My dead man switch detonates the 50kT nuclear warhead I have buried in the office basement.
[2:48] <IT_Sean> (oo )
[2:48] <IT_Sean> ( oo)
[2:48] <IT_Sean> JOKING!
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[2:51] <[Saint]> You're aware I run a little sort of "ISP" WiFi co-op?
[2:51] <[Saint]> I have a few things like encrypted remote storage for the users - hosted on my servers, as well as an idealistic kind of "community share" bucket the users can populate and share amongst themselves, host a VPN and a Tor exit node on my gear, etc.
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[2:52] <[Saint]> If I'm ever removed from being able to touch my servers after a specific amount of time I want them to shut down and in turn trigger the pretty hilarious chain of encryption with additonal hardware and passphrase 2-factor authorization.
[2:52] <ozzzy> I can play minesweeper
[2:53] <[Saint]> That functionality also needs to include panicking and being able to initiate that full shutdown remotely.
[2:53] <[Saint]> The physical local one it literally a hilarious and comical bright red panic button.
[2:54] <[Saint]> But it makes no practical sense as I wouldn't ever be able to get to it in a hurry. Even locally, I would do so via remote access.
[2:54] <[Saint]> I take a pretty hands off approach to the whole thing.
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[2:57] <[Saint]> Users can do whatever they want with their own account and their encrypted remote storage (they also have hardware sets supplied by me to provide an anonymizing wireless AP and wireless extender, local encrypted storage, local unencrypted storage, SMB, SFTP, SSH, etc.) that besides providing the OS update route and configuration I take a completely hands off approach to.
[3:00] <[Saint]> The "community bucket" for media is limited to audio alone and every night it is scanned for duplicates (by a number two mechanisms - md5sum, acoustID), stripped off existing metadata and embedded album art and then re-tagged using MusicBrainz Picard and acoustID.
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[3:01] <[Saint]> Everything that isn't considered a valid file (.mp3, ogg, flac, alac, wav) is discarded immediately, as well as valid encodings with broken streams.
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[3:04] <[Saint]> So, yeah - that's why.
[3:04] <[Saint]> TL;DR: I maintain some servers that test the very edges of legality and if I'm ever removed from being able to control these servers A Very Bad Thing has probably happened to me in so far as Johnny Law deciding against me.
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[3:06] <ShorTie> so you like bragging about doing illegal stuff, nice
[3:07] <[Saint]> None of it is illegal.
[3:08] <[Saint]> Quite arguable immoral, but within the scope of legality.
[3:08] <oq> you gonna be the next dotcom?
[3:08] <oq> the new zealand police gonna let the fbi come over and raid your mansion?
[3:08] <[Saint]> Hah. No. Hardly. Just a tiny little wireless co-op.
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[3:09] <[Saint]> Just a hobby project really. Started when I got my hands on some nice switchgear and picked up a couple of fairly powerful directional antennas.
[3:10] <oq> what has that got to do with servers in a data center?
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[3:10] <[Saint]> Who said they were in a data center?
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[3:11] <deadhound> i keep accidentally hitting "control+s" on my mac using nano ssh on my pi - what does control+s do in nano?
[3:12] <[Saint]> nothing in a default setup I believe.
[3:12] <[Saint]> possibly print a warning about XOFF being ignored.
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[3:14] <deadhound> yes that's exactly what it said what is that? never heard of it
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[3:15] <[Saint]> ShorTie: I get that you clearly don't know the laws in my locale, and I wouldn't. I would expect anyone to know the finer points of laws regarding digital copyright restrictions or hard encryption honestly.
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[3:16] <[Saint]> But that's also precisely one of the reasons why you shouldn't make disparaging sweeping arguments like that.
[3:16] <[Saint]> I don't really appreciate the insinuation that I would gleefully flaunt the law.
[3:16] <oq> someone hit a nerve
[3:17] <[Saint]> *wouldn't expect, rather.
[3:18] <[Saint]> Am I abusing a subset of law to my advantage? Absolutely.
[3:18] <[Saint]> But the law being broken is an entirely different discussion.
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[3:21] <[Saint]> I even agree that the loophole I am using to allow this is entirely sketchy moral ground.
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[3:24] <[Saint]> Users are allowed to format shift their own media for archival, and even export it to another location under their control.
[3:24] <[Saint]> Coupled with the fact that in New Zealand streaming of content that isn't owned or controlled by you isn't considered to be unlawful, even though it has almost zero practical distinction from downloading the content - which is considered unlawful, you have a recipe for impunity.
[3:24] * ShorTie Thinkz, Talking of immoral activities fits the channel rules
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[3:25] * ShorTie Thinkz, Talking of immoral activities DOESN'T fits the channel rules
[3:25] * [Saint] thinks ShorTie thinks a lot of things that [Saint] doesn't even remotely care about
[3:26] <ball> Would time-shifting public over-the-air television broadcasts qualify as "immoral"?
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[3:26] <ball> ...even if I used a VCR? ;-)
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[3:27] <[Saint]> Not in New Zealand, certainly.
[3:27] <ball> Sadly I don't live in New Zealand.
[3:27] <[Saint]> We even take the "you pay for the license to decode, not the service" route.
[3:27] <ball> I know someone in Dunedin though.
[3:27] <[Saint]> Basically meaning that the broadcast is free and if you manage to decode it, good for you.
[3:28] <[Saint]> We're pretty progressive here actually.
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[3:28] <ball> The programmes I was thinking of aren't encrypted, thankfully.
[3:28] <[Saint]> Lots of other locales treat paid television services as paying for the service itself and any access outside of their provision is unlawful.
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[3:29] <ball> I wonder how much a Tivo costs these days.
[3:29] <[Saint]> We treat it like they're beaming it out there for free and you're just paying the license for the convenience of decoding it.
[3:30] <[Saint]> People have figured out decoding our free-to-air (yet still encrypted, to attempt to control the license and sale of hardware) terrestiral television a few times but every time that happens they just change the container slightly and OTA the official hardware.
[3:31] <[Saint]> It has only happened twice from memory though. They make it cheap enough that there's very little reason to put much effort into taking an alternative route.
[3:32] <ball> What's cheap? Off-the-shelf set-top receivers?
[3:32] <ball> Tuner cards?
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[3:37] <ball> Not sure the Raspberry Pi has enough horsepower for video capture, anyway.
[3:37] <grandpa> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/5511696079
[3:37] <grandpa> hehehehehe
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[3:40] <xymantec> anyone here with solid debian/raspbian skills? https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=155460
[3:41] <oq> teamviewer is insecure
[3:41] <oq> don't use it
[3:41] <xymantec> It is if nots configured
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[3:41] <ball> grandpa: http://beta.speedtest.net/result/5511701782
[3:41] <xymantec> *if it's not
[3:41] <oq> xymantec: their servers have been hacked
[3:42] <grandpa> put a delay before the command
[3:42] <xymantec> i tried that
[3:42] <xymantec> sleep 5
[3:42] <grandpa> 4Mb from uverse? :(
[3:42] <xymantec> i should ad that to the post
[3:42] <grandpa> @ball
[3:43] <grandpa> hmm
[3:43] <xymantec> yeah i know ;)
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[3:44] <xymantec> I wonder if macros could do it
[3:44] <xymantec> click the close screen at at certain delay?
[3:44] <grandpa> have you checked the man page for something useful?
[3:44] <xymantec> nope
[3:45] <grandpa> wwaaait "sleep 5" isnt that in seconds or something? does teamviewer load under 5s?
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[3:46] <grandpa> yea
[3:46] <xymantec> i tried 10 seconds and still nothing
[3:47] <ball> grandpa: That's on the days when it works ;-)
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[3:47] <grandpa> give it like 2 minutes or something just to make sure and subtract from there?
[3:47] <xymantec> yup, if you havent dont shit in 10 seconds, it's not happening buddy...
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[3:49] <xymantec> I am building an ad net and have run into 2 problems, this is one of them and the other is chromium having memory issues, can't play 720p through browswer without hiccups....
[3:49] <ozzzy> use a more powerful computer
[3:50] <xymantec> yeah but it will have a larger footprint in power consumption
[3:50] <xymantec> we go from ~5 watts to ~90w if you go usff
[3:51] <xymantec> not to mention case is bigger...
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[3:52] <ball> Oh that's sad: Winegard don't seem to sell their UHF-only TV antenna any more.
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[3:55] <grandpa> ball, trying to communicate with satellies
[3:55] <grandpa> ?
[3:56] <ball> grandpa: No, that's for terrestrial broadcast television.
[3:56] <ball> grandpa: There's one transmitter I might be able to get a couple of streams from.
[3:57] <ball> Used to get more but not since TV went digital.
[4:00] <xymantec> do you know if you can make .cues for omx player via cli?
[4:00] <xymantec> by cues i mean playists...
[4:01] <ball> I don't know omx but I can make a PLS easily enough.
[4:02] <xymantec> whats the command for making a playlist from file_a.mp4 and file_b.mp4
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[4:03] <ball> xymantec: "vi playlist.pls" ;-)
[4:03] <xymantec> looking for it as we speak
[4:03] <ball> hello otaviojr
[4:03] <xymantec> @ball T_T
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[4:03] <xymantec> shit sucks man...
[4:04] <xymantec> it seems this method isnt going to work
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[4:04] <xymantec> and I might be forced to used a bigger computer with more video memory
[4:04] <ball> ?
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[4:05] <grandpa> ball:uhf is also used to communicate with satellites
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[4:06] <ball> grandpa: I thought SHF was more common for that.
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[4:06] <grandpa> i think it depends on the satellite
[4:06] * ball nods
[4:07] <grandpa> i didnt think uhf was used for tv anymoe
[4:07] <grandpa> r
[4:07] <grandpa> at least in the US
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[4:07] <grandpa> everything went digital
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[4:07] <ball> grandpa: Yes, almost all DTV is over UHF frequencies.
[4:07] <ball> (in the U.S.)
[4:07] <grandpa> oic
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[4:11] <ball> Depending where you live, there may still be a few on what's left of the VHF TV broadcast band.
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[4:11] <ball> ...but a lump of that has been reclaimed for use in other services.
[4:12] <ball> (thankfully)
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[4:17] <grandpa> why did the new millenium turn everything to shit
[4:17] <grandpa> =/
[4:17] <grandpa> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbCTO1QAhcQ
[4:17] <grandpa> speaking of which ^
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[4:18] <grandpa> white zombie broke up
[4:18] <grandpa> grunge disappeared
[4:18] <ball> grandpa: I'm watching a video about robot tractors. :-)
[4:18] <grandpa> neat
[4:18] <grandpa> the maker community is one of the few nice new things
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[4:26] <ball> Hello NullMoogleCable
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[4:28] <ball> I suppose I should wash some dishes.
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[4:33] <grandpa> nevaar
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[4:44] <deadhound> what is best way to run a command at startup on jessie lite?
[4:45] <deadhound> and would i need to login for a bash command to run?
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[4:45] <deadhound> or could i just plugin pi and have nginx run?
[4:46] <pcmerc> config nginx to run on start
[4:47] <pcmerc> systemctl enable nginx
[4:47] <deadhound> ah nice
[4:47] <deadhound> and would i have to login?
[4:47] <pcmerc> no
[4:47] <deadhound> great thanks
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[4:48] <deadhound> there's a great group of linux wizards here really glad i found this channel through reddit
[4:48] <pcmerc> :D
[4:49] <deadhound> i actually unsubbed from /r/raspberrypi last week thinking i wouldn't get one but once i FINALLY started getting original ideas with what i could do with a pi (i didn't want to do tutorial stuff only) and found this irc i have been really happy with pi
[4:50] <deadhound> and resubbed of course
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[4:51] <deadhound> and is best way to shutdown pi with shutdown -h ?
[4:52] <pcmerc> shutdown -h now
[4:52] <deadhound> exactly - that's best?
[4:52] <pcmerc> it works
[4:52] <deadhound> thanks
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[4:54] <deadhound> g'night all see ya tomorrow
[4:54] * pcmerc waves
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[4:56] <extor> Hmm linux wizards you say
[4:58] * extor is looking for a way to share a login to a subscription site among multiple users via some sort of proxy setup which makes it appear to the site as if N users are actually just one user with N tabs open in firefox (☉_☉)
[5:01] <extor> Perhaps I should explain; I have a paid subscription that I want to split between 10 people. And each one of these people can rape the subscription before the end of the month and make it worthless unless I limit their POST and GET requests to say 10 per hour on certain URLs or something like that.
[5:01] <extor> Tinyproxy, polipo, squid(overkill) or privoxy. I'm undecided.
[5:01] <pcmerc> I use squid
[5:01] <pcmerc> but whatever works
[5:02] <Zardoz> or how about each user get an account
[5:02] <extor> I am under the impression squid is not noob friendly and also prone to sploits
[5:02] <pcmerc> Zardoz: +1
[5:02] <extor> an account on the proxy yeah
[5:02] <extor> that's the idea
[5:02] <pcmerc> lmao
[5:02] <Zardoz> lol
[5:02] <extor> But the key would be to count the POST requests made to a certain URL...
[5:03] <pcmerc> I guess that is....an account
[5:03] <pcmerc> lol
[5:03] <extor> Can squid handle POST count quotas per account, rather than bandwidth which I assume it does for sure?
[5:03] <Zardoz> or how about each user get a PAID account :P
[5:03] <pcmerc> you could simplify that
[5:04] <extor> The whole reason for each user not getting a paid account is for them to pay 1/10th the price
[5:04] <pcmerc> install ossec or logstash, rsyslog, etc & tail the log counting per their IP etc
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[5:04] <pcmerc> I'm sure I could get creative with that if I was tasked with that :D
[5:04] <extor> So much for all the linux gurus on thsi channel
[5:04] <Zardoz> lol
[5:04] <pcmerc> rofl
[5:05] <extor> I can get creative too, but I don't want to reinvent the wheel. Surely, someone had this issue before.
[5:05] <Zardoz> not me
[5:08] <pcmerc> to make it easier than trying to make squid do that is why I recommended the log based triggering as you can enable the squid logs or whatever you choose to use
[5:09] <mfa298> extor: one thing to note, if the site uses https it's much harder (potentially impossible) to sensibly proxy it.
[5:09] <pcmerc> na
[5:09] <pcmerc> but you'd have to put a ca cert on the client
[5:10] <pcmerc> in the browser
[5:10] <extor> Unless you ARE the ssl proxy
[5:10] <pcmerc> I build my squid proxies with https proxing
[5:10] <pcmerc> yupo
[5:10] <mfa298> and they dont use key pinning etc
[5:10] <pcmerc> I am
[5:10] <pcmerc> lol
[5:10] <pcmerc> each browser gets the cert on setup
[5:10] <extor> oh wait, you're saying the post requests are encrypted but the post URL is not encrypted, is it?
[5:11] <pcmerc> in default mode squid only handles http
[5:11] <pcmerc> you'd have to recompile it with the additional options
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[5:11] <extor> If one of the clients posts to http://answers.site.com/bulkquery/upload one, twice, three times then each POST itself gets tallyed, I don't care about the content of the post request just the fact that it was made, and how many times it was made.
[5:12] <mfa298> if the site you're using has key pinning then it'll detect that it's not getting the right cert so your proxying of https will fail
[5:12] <pcmerc> odd I haven't had any issues with that
[5:12] <pcmerc> do you have an example site?
[5:13] <extor> Someone I know has already done this, using some kind of proxy and some variation of portable firefox and foxyproxy
[5:13] <pcmerc> I'll test it tomorrow at work
[5:13] <extor> an example site of what?
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[5:13] <pcmerc> talking to mfa298
[5:13] <pcmerc> I exclude banks & personal stuff, mainly it's to block adult content etc
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[5:14] <mfa298> it may be more of an issue with certain browsers, I think chrome had started bundling stuff for some popular sites to be able to detect
[5:14] <pcmerc> ah ok
[5:14] <pcmerc> I test both
[5:14] <pcmerc> if certain sites have issues you can just exclude them etc
[5:15] <mfa298> also of course with a https proxy you've got to determine / handle what to do about bad certs. Just loading them and passing it through to the end user could be misleading
[5:16] <pcmerc> ASA -> WCCP -> squid, squidguard,c-icap,clamd
[5:16] <pcmerc> whipped up a custom whitelist page etc
[5:16] <pcmerc> works tight
[5:16] <extor> I don't need to sniff the traffic, just count the number of POST requests to a certain URL on the subscription site
[5:17] <pcmerc> count per IP?
[5:17] <extor> count per account, or per IP. Whatever works.
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[5:17] <extor> But what I wonder is whether privoxy, polipo or tinyproxy through some miracle can actually do this better than squid.
[5:18] <extor> even though squid is the grandaddy of them all and used in the enterprise. One of the others may have a module that can keep track per account. Like a netnanny sort of deal.
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[5:20] <extor> http://i.stack.imgur.com/x0tNr.png
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[5:26] <Kerr-A> An error occurred during a connection to projects.drogon.net. SSL received a record that exceeded the maximum permissible length. Error code: SSL_ERROR_RX_RECORD_TOO_LONG Please contact the website owners to inform them of this problem.
[5:26] <extor> Let me guess, firefox 47.01 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[5:26] <Kerr-A> 47.0
[5:27] <Kerr-A> any way to get ff to allow me in
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[5:30] <extor> Has anyone yet made a totally open source smartphone yet which is unlocked by default and everything has source out there including drivers for all the devices like gps cameras and what not and firmware of course. Arduino or rpi style.
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[5:31] <Kerr-A> no.
[5:31] <Kerr-A> ubuntu phone closeish?
[5:32] <stiv> tin cans on a string?
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[5:35] <extor> I never heard of ubuntu phone, is it a piece of hardware or just a virtual IP phone running on ubuntu
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[5:37] <Kerr-A> rpi isnt even fully openhttps://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjFwoSs35fOAhWj8YMKHZscC_UQFggqMAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ubuntu.com%2Fphone%2Fdevices&usg=AFQjCNF_hmEGOMkAUJizi3cP24qdsnNYUw&sig2=_fRI1vLSV9I50i1k4U40rw
[5:37] <Kerr-A> err
[5:37] <extor> which part is closed, the ARM's internal hardcoded nanofirmware or something
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[5:43] <mfa298> the gpu blob that initialises the cpu cores is closed
[5:43] <mfa298> i.e. some of the files in /boot on your pi that get loaded before the kernel is loaded
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[6:28] <Zardoz> pihole fully implmented on my network.
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[6:28] <Zardoz> implemented that is
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[7:14] <extor> Now why would they close source the pi like that?
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[7:25] <Kerr-A> So my adam arms piston AR went full auto today
[7:26] <Kerr-A> I disassembled it post haste. After taking off the upper and playing with the trigger, it isn't catching like it should
[7:26] <Kerr-A> So, time to buy a new triiger I guess :/
[7:28] <Kerr-A> Any recommendations? (Legal, Please)
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[7:34] <sir_galahad_ad> toss the gun buy a fishing rod
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[7:35] <pcmerc> just buy a fishing pole in addition
[7:36] <pcmerc> if desired
[7:36] <sir_galahad_ad> ok we'll compromise, buy a archery fishing set up.
[7:37] <sir_galahad_ad> *an archery...
[7:37] <Kerr-A> .00
[7:37] <pcmerc> lol I have that also
[7:37] <Kerr-A> New topic, I just ordered an anderson trigger for $25
[7:37] <pcmerc> nice
[7:37] <Kerr-A> So, How hard is it to change out an ar barrel...
[7:38] <Kerr-A> I bought this: ACC-AND-UPPER-COMBO
[7:38] <Kerr-A> at classic firearms
[7:38] <pcmerc> not hard
[7:38] <sir_galahad_ad> hook some 300lb test to that and use the fishing arrows to scale buildings as star city's newest vigilante
[7:38] <pcmerc> as long as you have the tools
[7:38] <Kerr-A> err, this: https://www.classicfirearms.com/anderson-upper-combo-300-aor-556
[7:38] <Kerr-A> What tools
[7:38] <pcmerc> barrel wrench etc
[7:38] <pcmerc> oh if it's a upper like that
[7:39] <Kerr-A> and TBH I don't care about the 300blk, I only cared that I got 2 guns for $800 (after second bcg, receivers)
[7:39] <pcmerc> just pull the pins, remove the current & put on the other
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[7:39] <pcmerc> I hate cleaning AR's though
[7:39] <pcmerc> lol
[7:40] <pcmerc> AK's are alot nicer to clean
[7:40] <Kerr-A> you clean yuor ak?
[7:40] <pcmerc> yup
[7:40] <pcmerc> you should clean every weapon
[7:40] <pcmerc> you clean your rug don't you
[7:40] <pcmerc> lol
[7:40] <Kerr-A> actually I dont
[7:41] <pcmerc> oh ok well have the maid do it then
[7:41] <pcmerc> :D
[7:41] <Kerr-A> I ran a machine in reverse today, and my boss came by and said not to do that..
[7:41] <Kerr-A> I asked why, and he said "Do you drive your car in reverse at 50 miles per hour?"
[7:41] <pcmerc> well be careful with that ar then
[7:41] <pcmerc> lol
[7:41] <Kerr-A> To Which I replied
[7:42] <Kerr-A> "Have you seen my car"
[7:42] <pcmerc> dont use it in reverse
[7:42] <Kerr-A> "Did you notice I'm missing trim and one of my mirrors today?"
[7:42] <Kerr-A> "I drove it offroad, in reverse, at nearly 50MPH just yesterday evening."
[7:43] <Kerr-A> (and scraped a tree)
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[7:56] * Drzacek wonders how it would be like, to be able to buy guns like any other stuff on ebay
[7:57] <Kerr-A> Blood In the Streets.
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[7:57] <Drzacek> Well, I currently live in Germany and there is already blood and bombs and everything
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[7:58] <Kerr-A> oh
[7:58] <Drzacek> looks like the gun-control affects only normal people, bad guys are always able to get it somewhere
[7:59] <Kerr-A> Waat?
[7:59] <Kerr-A> Your gun control is too weak then.
[7:59] * Berg mutters about useless laws
[7:59] <sir_galahad_ad> in before total argument errupts
[7:59] <Berg> no argument
[8:00] <Berg> just muttering
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[8:01] <Drzacek> Anyway
[8:02] <Kerr-A> how do you guys feel about lancer mags
[8:02] <Drzacek> I'm on a question to build small RPi terminal in my kitchen. The case, system, screen etc. is there (or almost there), but I can't find any decent waterproof keyboard
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[8:03] <Berg> get one them flexible boards
[8:03] <Berg> they should be sealed
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[8:03] * Kerr-A thought he was in #guns
[8:03] * Kerr-A LOL's
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[8:04] <Berg> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wired-USB-Flexible-Foldable-Silicone-Waterproof-Roll-Keyboard-Laptop-PC-Notebook-/252260106566?hash=item3abbdfc146:g:Xc4AAOSwFqJWoI4w
[8:04] <Berg> 16 buckeroos
[8:04] <Berg> almost free
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[8:05] <Berg> some from china 4 bucks free shipping too
[8:06] <Drzacek> Berg, they are ugly. I kinda like those industrial membrane keyboards, but thats slightly more than my budget allows
[8:06] <Drzacek> http://www.industrialdataproducts.co.uk/idp-001-detail.asp?id=39
[8:07] <Berg> yeah i saw a few that have diff colour keys they look bgetter do a search on ebay
[8:07] <Drzacek> Kerr-A, it's easy to get confused
[8:07] <Berg> thats like a microwave keyboard
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[8:07] <Drzacek> As I said sometime earlier - my microwave doesn't have buttons
[8:08] <Drzacek> :D
[8:08] <Berg> you could make your own?
[8:08] <Berg> the one i showed you has a mouse
[8:09] <Berg> well arrow keys
[8:09] <Drzacek> Berg, would be nice to. I saw the membrane buttons on aliexpress (the dudes in #arduino said those were no membrane switches but who cares), no idea how should I do the "front plate" though
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[8:09] <Berg> print it on a clear sheet and overlay it
[8:09] <Drzacek> a sheet of what
[8:09] <Berg> plastic
[8:10] <Berg> clear plastic sheet
[8:10] <Drzacek> I don't think my printer can do that
[8:10] <Berg> make the keys any colour you like
[8:11] <Berg> you can print it on rubber too?
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[8:11] <Drzacek> Any idea where I can get such plastic sheets (or rubber)?
[8:11] <Berg> anyway i cant see it being too hard
[8:11] <Berg> yes goto office works
[8:12] <Berg> thyats where i would find it in australia
[8:12] <Berg> http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=clear+printing+sheet
[8:13] <Berg> lots stuff you can print too and seal a keyboard with
[8:13] <Drzacek> ok, thanks
[8:14] <brainzap> How to I setup HTTPS on 1000 clients that are shipped to the customer
[8:14] <Berg> i would take a old keyboard apart and seal it they have a rubber membrain already they just need to be sealed
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[8:32] <grandpa> berg, iirc those plastic sheets are known as transparencies for an overhead projector.. they're used in schools and creating circuit boards.. typically found in office supply shops
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[8:52] <gnostic> Hello. Has anyone ever had an AdaFruit t-cobbler plus cause strange results?
[8:52] <gnostic> with cobbler attached to ribbon cable on, "gpio mode 0 out; gpio write 0 1; gpio read 0; gpio write 0 0; gpio read 0" outputs 1 and 1
[8:52] <gnostic> without the cobbler attached it outputs 1 and 0 (as expected)
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[8:53] <gnostic> This is without the cobbler even being on a breadboard -- just connected to the ribbon cable
[8:54] <gnostic> I should have just used a bunch of female to male jumper wires :/
[8:54] <gnostic> but I don't have any
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[9:03] <gnostic> what would cause that? It's a pretty simple board. A short circuit?
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[10:04] <mfa298> gnostic: are you sure you've got the cable connected the right way around, also what cable are you using.
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[10:06] <gnostic> I'm not sure I can connect it the wrong way (there is a lug on each end of the ribbon cable)
[10:06] <gnostic> I'm using the ribbon cable that came with the cobbler
[10:06] <gnostic> I'll check though
[10:07] <gnostic> :-o
[10:07] <gnostic> oops
[10:07] <gnostic> seems it might be the wrong way
[10:07] <gnostic> lol, I'm embarrassed now
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[10:08] <gnostic> mfa298: thanks for your debugging skills
[10:09] <mfa298> You're not the first with that issue. I think you've only got the polarity lug on the cobbler end so it's possible to get the pi end wrong.
[10:10] <mfa298> and if you just go by the pictures it might look right, but be wrong.
[10:12] <gnostic> yeah
[10:12] <gnostic> there is only the lug on the cobbler end... I didn't even look *sigh*
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[10:13] <gnostic> so, yes, the pi end was incorrect
[10:13] <gnostic> thankfully nothing seems broken
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[10:17] <gnostic> ok disconnecting so I can fix this. Thanks again
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[10:32] <gnostic> yay, led blinks
[10:32] * gnostic stares at it fascinated
[10:32] <gnostic> ok, bored now
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[10:38] <Drzacek> now do a robot!
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[10:38] <gnostic> a dalek!
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[10:38] <Drzacek> whats a dalek
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[10:39] <gnostic> a killer robot
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[10:39] <mfa298> Drzacek: you obviously need more (British) culture
[10:39] <gnostic> exterminate, exterminate, exterminate!
[10:39] <Drzacek> just googled it, looks like iron-shaped r2d2
[10:39] <Drzacek> I bet it's steam powered
[10:39] <gnostic> I think they have biological beings inside them
[10:40] <mfa298> a large r2d2 shaped robot who's favourite phrase is EXTERMINATE!
[10:41] <mfa298> also I think they might have pre-dated r2d2
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[10:41] <Drzacek> who knows what those beel bop means, maybe r2 also say exterminate?
[10:42] <Drzacek> beep*
[10:42] <Armand> http://laughingsquid.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Loved_Him__34768.1430515135.1280.1280.jpg
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[10:42] <Drzacek> now you don't make fun out of star trek! stop it!
[10:43] <Armand> ^_^
[10:43] <Armand> Guess who's wearing his Star Trek t-shirt today..
[10:43] <Armand> The one that's spent more time in the US than I have.. :P
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[10:46] <Drzacek> My GF tells me I can't wear star trek tshirts to work
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[10:47] <Armand> My wife told me to dress "less like a nerd", to which I replied.. "I'm a nerd, I work with nerds.. Nerding is my job" :P
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[10:53] <gnostic> is it ok to leave the breadboard with the led on it plugged in?
[10:53] <gnostic> the led is off
[10:53] * gnostic turns it on
[10:53] * gnostic turns it off
[10:53] <gnostic> yes, it's off
[10:54] <gnostic> the cobbler uses up nearly my entire breadboard lol
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[10:54] <gnostic> I'll have to buy another breadboard :(
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[10:55] * gnostic turns led on
[10:56] <gnostic> I wonder why it's red... I'm sure I ordered blue ones
[10:56] <Lartza> china? china
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[10:58] <gnostic> well, they were cheaper from there :)
[10:58] <Lartza> I wonder why :P
[10:58] <gnostic> hehehe
[10:59] <Lartza> ;) No in reality, you usually get the right thing
[10:59] <Lartza> But mistakes happen
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[10:59] <gnostic> yeah
[10:59] <gnostic> tis no big deal
[11:00] <gordonDrogon> gnostic, cobbler soldered up wrong or the cable in the wrong way round?
[11:00] <gnostic> gordonDrogon: the pi end of the cable was the wrong way around *embarrassed*
[11:00] <gordonDrogon> gnostic, ah :)
[11:01] <gnostic> jsut happy that nothing broke
[11:01] <gnostic> that I know of
[11:02] <gnostic> the LED blinks using 5 different gpio pins anyway... I'll try the rest later
[11:02] <gnostic> which reminds me. should the resitor go before the led or after?
[11:02] <gnostic> I have it after
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[11:03] <mfa298> doesn't make any real difference which way the resistor and led are in that setup
[11:04] <gnostic> okay
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[11:07] <gordonDrogon> it doesn't matter where the resistor is before/after - it's all the same.
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[11:14] <gnostic> so it's ok to leave this breadboard plugged in?
[11:14] <gnostic> the LED is currently off
[11:15] <gnostic> I suppose it's not actually doing anything if it's off?
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[11:16] <mfa298> its about as safe as leaving it plugged in with the LED on.
[11:16] <mfa298> neither of which should be particularly dangerous.
[11:17] <mfa298> I suspect the greatest risk is probably catchign the cable by accident and flinging the Pi+Cobbler over the desk
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[11:17] <jacekowski> that would be a disaster
[11:19] <gnostic> well I'm not sure that can happen... it's way over there at the other end of my desk and I never walk past that end of the desk because it's against a wall
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[11:21] <gnostic> anthing is possible though I suppose
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[11:22] <frib> i am trying to ssh into a clean raspbian jessie install and getting connection refused
[11:22] <frib> why is this happening?
[11:23] <ShorTie> you trying as root or user ??
[11:23] <frib> ShorTie, pi
[11:23] <UncleKiwi> are you even getting a logon ?
[11:23] <gnostic> can you ping the pi?
[11:23] <frib> net address
[11:23] <frib> yes i can ping it
[11:24] <ShorTie> where is that address coming from ??
[11:24] <UncleKiwi> maybe sshd is not started
[11:24] <mfa298> is highly unlikely to be the address of the pi.
[11:24] <UncleKiwi> mayeb ipaddress confict
[11:24] <frib> no i edited dhcpcd.conf to make the address
[11:24] <frib> i can ping it
[11:24] <mfa298> in a /24 network .0 and .255 are broadcast addresses
[11:25] <UncleKiwi> unplug it see if you can still ping it
[11:25] <gnostic> hang on... wouldn't it be easier to set the IP on your router?
[11:25] <gnostic> but yeah, UncleKiwi has a good idea
[11:26] <frib> it's not showing up in nmap
[11:27] <UncleKiwi> have you just flashed the sdcard and this is a very new install ? If you have never ssh'd into this pi before maybe check if sshd is running
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[11:27] <UncleKiwi> or even installed
[11:28] <frib> UncleKiwi, used dd to create image as I always do
[11:28] <frib> the strange thing is that i can ping it, but it doesn't show up in namp -sn
[11:28] <UncleKiwi> iptables -F
[11:28] <UncleKiwi> mayeb
[11:29] <UncleKiwi> maybe
[11:29] <frib> on what?
[11:29] <UncleKiwi> the pi
[11:29] <frib> how if i can't ssh into it
[11:29] <UncleKiwi> using monitor and keyboard
[11:29] <frib> i don't have those tools readily available
[11:29] <UncleKiwi> aha ok
[11:29] <frib> it should work out of box
[11:30] <mfa298> frib: as UncleKiwi suggested, start pinging the pi from your pc, then unplug the Pi network connectio and see if it keeps pinging
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[11:30] <frib> ok i tried that, and yes it stops pinging when i disconnect lan wire
[11:31] <mfa298> that at least is a good sign
[11:32] <frib> i think there may be a problem with my sd card
[11:32] <gnostic> I personally would have set the IP in the router (and to 192.168.0.something) and left dhcpcd.conf as it was
[11:32] <gnostic> how did you edit that btw?
[11:32] <frib> gnostic, i followed this exact same process with a different pi the other day and it worked fine
[11:32] <mfa298> some way to connect a display (montor, serial console) would likely be very ueful in seeing what's wrong.
[11:32] <frib> dhcpcd.conf is an acceptable way to set ip address
[11:33] <gnostic> yeah it is but I dunno
[11:33] <frib> as for sd card it is a 16gb card but when i wrote with DD the system recognized it thereafter as a 4gb card
[11:33] <frib> fdisk, gparted, evertyhign sees it as 4gb capacity
[11:33] <mfa298> gnostic: there's nothing wrong with 192.168.5 if that's how your network is setup, anything in 192.168 is a private IP, it's just that most routers use 192.168.0/24 or 192.168.1/24 a their network
[11:34] <mfa298> that does sounds like a bad SD card. Possibly one of the fakes (although I'd have thought they'de mostly go after bigger sizes these days)
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[11:35] <UncleKiwi> i wonder how many years a pi will run for
[11:35] <UncleKiwi> i have some running with uptimes of over 400 days
[11:36] <frib> mfa298, but the operating system is clearly running no?
[11:36] <frib> so why this problem?
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[11:36] <UncleKiwi> yes the os is running
[11:37] <UncleKiwi> sorry i was confused
[11:37] <UncleKiwi> you need a monitor and keyboard\
[11:37] <UncleKiwi> you need a monitor and keyboard
[11:37] <mfa298> frib: if its marked as 16GB but the OS is only seeing a 4GB device that's not a good sign. My guess is the OS started booting and has hit an issue
[11:38] <mfa298> no network came up, but ssh and other stuff havn't properly
[11:41] <Kerr-A> I don't want to soulder a proper header to my RPI zero, I'd rather use a self retaining pin that I can push in. what are they called?
[11:42] <frib> mfa298, i have a monitor hooked up now
[11:42] <frib> os loads and stops at login prompt
[11:42] <Kerr-A> at very least ,what diameter are the holes on the rpi
[11:42] <UncleKiwi> login
[11:42] <frib> i don't have a keyboard
[11:42] <UncleKiwi> frib: login
[11:43] <UncleKiwi> frib: iptables -F
[11:43] <UncleKiwi> frib: service sshd status
[11:44] <frib> ++ok
[11:44] <frib> failed to start light display manager
[11:44] <frib> my mistake its already logged in as pi
[11:45] <frib> iptables shows nothing
[11:45] <UncleKiwi> good
[11:45] <frib> loaded, inacitve ssh
[11:45] <UncleKiwi> service sshd start
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[11:45] <frib> how to make it permanent?
[11:46] <UncleKiwi> chkconfig sshd on
[11:46] <frib> command not found
[11:46] <UncleKiwi> problem solved ?
[11:46] <UncleKiwi> systemctl enable sshd
[11:47] <frib> no such file or d
[11:47] <mfa298> possible also look at systemctl status sshd and journalctl
[11:47] <mfa298> I'm pretty sure ssh is suppoed to be on by default
[11:47] <frib> im certain it is supposed to be
[11:47] <frib> i have no clue why this is happening
[11:47] <mfa298> you might need sudo with most of the systemctl and journalctl commands
[11:47] <UncleKiwi> true
[11:48] <frib> i am sudo
[11:48] <frib> systenmctl enable and chkconfig on don't work
[11:48] <frib> command not found and no such f or d respectively
[11:48] <frib> actually reversed
[11:48] <frib> chkconfig no command found
[11:49] <UncleKiwi> did you actually start sshd
[11:49] <UncleKiwi> can you now ssh into it ?
[11:49] <frib> service ssh start i did
[11:49] <UncleKiwi> and can you login now
[11:49] <UncleKiwi> from your other system
[11:50] <frib> yes
[11:50] <UncleKiwi> cool
[11:50] <frib> if i do systemctl enable ssh i get something different than with sshd
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[11:50] <mfa298> it might be worth taking a step back and see how big fdisk thinks your SD card is, if it also thinks it's 4GB (but its marked as 16GB) go and buy a new SD card.
[11:51] <frib> fdisk thinks its 4gb
[11:51] <UncleKiwi> mmm something is odd
[11:51] <frib> then i was advised to run some program whose name ido not remember and now the card is seen as 5.6 gb
[11:51] <frib> apt-get update cannot finish
[11:51] <mfa298> checkng a pi here the service is called ssh not sshd
[11:51] <UncleKiwi> ok
[11:52] <UncleKiwi> opps
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[11:52] <frib> synchronizing state for ssh.service with sysvinit using update-rc.d...
[11:52] <frib> strict.pm did not return a true value at /usr/sbin/update0rc.d line 6
[11:52] <frib> double free or corruption (Fasttop) [memory address] ***
[11:52] <frib> aborted
[11:53] <UncleKiwi> ahaha that card is sick ?
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[11:53] <frib> so the card is the problem
[11:54] <mfa298> UncleKiwi: I tend to just tab complete so ssh<tab> just works, I was assuming it was sshd as well as thats what most other inits have used
[11:54] <UncleKiwi> mfa298: yeah i use centos and fedora thats all i know
[11:55] <mfa298> I don't think I'd want to trust that card.
[11:55] <frib> 6'
[11:56] <UncleKiwi> mfa298: I hada few bad experiences with unbuntu a few years back and changed to centos and never looked back
[11:57] <mfa298> UncleKiwi: I've mostly used RedHat/CentOS/Fedora and tend to fidn them much better. I've used more ubuntu/debian/raspbian more recently (Pi and Work) and do find them annoying at times.
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[11:57] <UncleKiwi> mfa298: ah so im not the only one
[11:58] <UncleKiwi> mfa298: i used pidora in the early days that was great I still have some pi'r running that
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[11:58] <mfa298> The number of simple bugs that I've been watching against ubuntu 14.04 (the lts release) that still havn't been fixed is annoying (especially when there's fixes provided 2 years ago in the ticket log)
[11:59] <UncleKiwi> now im running centos 7 minimal on some rpi2's
[12:00] <UncleKiwi> just bought 5 rpi3's i dont have any of them yet
[12:00] <UncleKiwi> they are getting more and more powerful
[12:00] <mfa298> oooh I hadn't realised there was centos7 on the Pi.
[12:00] * mfa298 adds more work to the todo list
[12:01] <UncleKiwi> i have it running :) but their is no EPEL yet
[12:01] <UncleKiwi> but its comming
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[12:04] <mohsen_> Hi, is maynard DE now an installable package?
[12:05] <gnostic> why do some IN pins have the value 1? http://dpaste.com/1YNH26E
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[12:19] <jacekowski> UncleKiwi: the bt module is broken though
[12:19] <UncleKiwi> jacekowski: yes I dont use that
[12:19] <jacekowski> UncleKiwi: i'm not sure if it's the drivers or module itself, but i cna't get SCO audio through it, usb module worked just fine so it's not my config
[12:20] <UncleKiwi> i have never owned an rpi3 yet
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[12:21] <UncleKiwi> mine are on their way maybe in an aeroplane coming to new zealand
[12:21] <UncleKiwi> jacekowski: i think you could get fedora on it
[12:22] <UncleKiwi> jacekowski: i tried fedora on my rpi2 but I could not get iptables to work properly
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[12:24] <UncleKiwi> jacekowski: there is a wiki i think with the status and some notes and workarounds from memory
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[13:15] <thykka> any idea why arch for rpi is no longer downloadable with noobs or raspberrypi.org?
[13:16] <ShorTie> because arch will not provide an image
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[13:19] <thykka> ok, i managed to install it from archlinuxarm.org, but partitioning the sd on OSX turned out to be quite the challenge :P
[13:20] <ozzzy> I just grab the latest raspbian image
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[13:22] <knightwise> anyone manage to install chromium on the raspb pi ?
[13:22] <ozzzy> yep
[13:22] <thykka> i tried, but it failed. didn't look into it beyond that though
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[13:22] <ozzzy> erp... sorry... that was on the Nano-Pi
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[13:46] <l3archos> hi all. I tried many tutorials but still have no luck in setting my /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf so my wlan0 interface gets a STATIC ip address. I can get it to work with DHCP but I need to use a static IP. Is there a tutorial that works you can suggest ?
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[13:51] <mfa298> l3archos: assuming you're using a recent raspbian image you don't edit /etc/network/interfaces
[13:51] <mfa298> wifi config goes in /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf ip config goes in /etc/dhcpcd.conf
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[13:52] <l3archos> mfa298: oh ok, never have heard of /etc/dhcpcd.conf before. Is there a tutorial ?
[13:54] <l3archos> how do I enter the static ip address, gateway, network/broadcast and stuff like that in /etc/dhcpcd.conf ?
[13:54] <mfa298> probably, i've not used it myself for static ips, I set them via the dhcp server instead
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[13:55] <l3archos> mfa298: are you sure /etc/dhcpcd.conf is the right configuration file for my intention? DHCP daemon should not be used at all, I dont run a DHCP server and thus no DHCP client.
[13:55] <mfa298> I'd start with the comments at the top of /etc/network/interfaces
[13:55] <mfa298> # Please note that this file is written to be used with dhcpcd
[13:55] <mfa298> # For static IP, consult /etc/dhcpcd.conf and 'man dhcpcd.conf'
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[13:56] <l3archos> mfa298: is /etc/dhcpcd.conf red by the system when I do not use DHCPclient at all ?
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[13:56] <mfa298> note the 2nd c in dhcpcd.conf that makes it a client, but it can be configured to use a static ip
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[13:59] <l3archos> mfa298: ok, I did find this here, I will dig into it... https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/37920/how-do-i-set-up-networking-wifi-static-ip
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[14:03] <mfa298> l3archos: that looks like the sort of thing i was expecting
[14:04] <l3archos> mfa298: thank you, it works now
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[14:04] <l3archos> mfa298: thanks for your assistance, have a nice day.
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[14:08] <frib> my raspberry is hanging on unpacking step of apt install, is this likely to be an sd card problem?
[14:08] <frib> it was also hanging at end of dd .img flash but i couldn't stand it any longer and i interrupted the process. the oS loads fine and i can ssh in, but now software hangs at unpacking step
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[14:11] <Lonefish> flash the sd again and try again?
[14:12] <Lonefish> it's a wonder it even works when you interrupted dd
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[14:13] <frib> Lonefish, finally the software installed, it was just UNBEARABLY slow
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[14:15] <Lonefish> did it do a sudo apt-get update too?
[14:16] <Lonefish> For some reason I noticed that sometimes on fridays it tends to be really slow and sometimes even failes
[14:16] <Lonefish> *s
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[14:19] <Daten> Hi all, Just about to buy my first RPi 3. I plan on connecting it to my 3d Printers USB port for power, Will I be able to power any devices off the PI's USB? I want to run a USB temperature sensor off it but not sure if it works like that, Thanks!
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[14:19] <brainzap> you can but you dont have unlimited power on the ports
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[14:21] <Daten> Unfortunately the sensor I am looking at does not really include draw information, just Wide working voltage: DC4-25V or USB 5V
[14:22] <Daten> Guess I can give it a go and if it does not work just get a powered hub :D
[14:22] <ozzzy> sensors don't usually draw much
[14:22] <Lonefish> but a pi does.. and connecting it to a usb port of a 3d printer doesn't seem like a great idea
[14:22] <Daten> Its more the LCD I would be worried about
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[14:23] <Lonefish> especially a pi3..
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[14:23] <ozzzy> they don't usually draw much either
[14:23] <Daten> Needs to be connected to the 3d printer for the software, I checked the voltage just now and it seems pretty good
[14:23] <Daten> All I can do is try :D thanks for the info all
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[15:23] <Habbie> wonder if this can be made to work with the pi https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/andromium/the-superbook-turn-your-smartphone-into-a-laptop-f
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[15:24] <grandpa> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJhmKF4npMs
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[15:32] <gordonDrogon> Habbie, probably - I saw it a while back too. It relies on an app. and communicates via USB, so it's not as general purpose as the Moto Atrix is.
[15:32] <Habbie> indeed
[15:32] <gordonDrogon> what someone needs to do is build a better Atrix lapdock that takes hdmi & usb but not on fiddly little pop-up connectors.
[15:32] <gordonDrogon> or has space inside for a Pi zero...
[15:33] <gordonDrogon> hello Pi Top, but you're too small..
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[15:36] <Habbie> :)
[15:37] <Habbie> pi top also costs a bunch more than the superbook
[15:38] <gordonDrogon> and old Atrix units off amazon. I think mine was �85.
[15:38] <grandpa> i dont understand why its so expensive
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[15:38] <gordonDrogon> the superbook or Pi Top ?
[15:38] <grandpa> pi top
[15:38] <gordonDrogon> yea - $299 ...
[15:38] <grandpa> i want one but not that bad
[15:38] <thykka> camera module arrived today.. my photobooth can finally start taking shape :3 http://i.imgur.com/DTn7SAP.jpg
[15:39] <grandpa> ooOOO shiney
[15:41] <grandpa> :)
[15:42] <thykka> someone had dumped that slot machine behind our trash bins
[15:42] <thykka> couldn't let it go to waste
[15:42] <grandpa> cool
[15:43] <thykka> still waiting for jumper wires to arrive from ebay
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[15:44] * ozzzy ordered a pi-top
[15:44] <grandpa> got any pictures of the insides prior to fiddlin with it
[15:44] <grandpa> ;o
[15:45] <grandpa> wow ozzzy
[15:45] <thykka> grandpa, no, i was too excited tearing it apart to do that :P
[15:45] <grandpa> :P
[15:46] <grandpa> did the screen have a standard interface
[15:46] <thykka> but it contained a couple of hoppers, a beefy PSU, lots of wire and dust
[15:46] <thykka> it's vga
[15:46] <grandpa> cool
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[15:46] <thykka> standard power adapter too, i can just hook everything up a normal extension cord
[15:47] <grandpa> \o/
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[15:50] <grandpa> apparently today is sysadmin day
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[16:02] <Stavros_> Guys does anyone know if the pi zero has problems running Qt based stuff?
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[16:04] <grandpa> Linux raspberrypi 4.4.13-v7+ #894 SMP Mon Jun 13 13:13:27 BST 2016 armv7l GNU/Linux
[16:04] <grandpa> 10:04:23 up 6 days, 13:42, 4 users, load average: 0.04, 0.01, 0.00
[16:04] <grandpa> ;o
[16:04] <grandpa> /exec -o uname -a && uptime
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[16:30] <ali1234> okay i got my 1.1 screen today
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[16:30] <ali1234> scope confirms that it PWMs at like 1MHz
[16:30] <ali1234> instead of 250Hz
[16:30] <ali1234> no real differences with the boards
[16:31] <ali1234> the only one i can spot is that the USB shielding pads now have 5 vias instead of 4
[16:32] <ali1234> so next thing to try it dumping the firmware and flashing it into the old screen
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[16:55] <Zeno`> mic
[16:55] <Zeno`> :P
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[17:11] <Bilby> Woo, python threading \o/
[17:11] <Bilby> I still don't know how to make threads talk, but i have them working separately at least!
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[17:13] <Lonefish> Congratz Bilby
[17:13] <Lonefish> :p
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[17:16] <jaymaker> Hello everyone
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[17:17] <Bilby> thanks Lonefish :P
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[17:17] <Bilby> I'm getting data from twitter (of all places)
[17:17] <Bilby> have it hooked to a popular hashtag right now and it's running great.
[17:18] <Bilby> twitter -> download profile pics and post pics -> sqlite database for persistant storage
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[17:20] <Lonefish> Stalky stalky much?
[17:20] <Lonefish> Hi jaymaker
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[17:23] <Bilby> lol
[17:23] <Bilby> it's part of a program that will eventually run on a pi
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[17:25] <ali1234> okay, firmware is reflashed... now to test it
[17:26] <jaymaker> My apartment got broken into last night
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[17:27] <jaymaker> Luckily I have an old Raspberry Pi B+ laying around with an external USB webcam. Is there any way I can set that up as a surveillance-type camera to continuously record footage so I can view it later?
[17:28] <Lonefish> Sadly you can't record into the past..
[17:28] <jaymaker> Just in case someone tries to break in again
[17:28] <jaymaker> I know LoneFish :P
[17:28] <jarod> Can you guys help me? http://x264.nl/dump/excellent.mp3 'which escapes the rationality of' .... what word does he say here?
[17:29] <jarod> I am asking here, because you can listen to it completely objectively
[17:29] <Lonefish> jaymaker: it should be possible afaik
[17:29] <Lonefish> but don't know how tho
[17:29] <jaymaker> Oh okay
[17:29] <Lonefish> maybe combine it with an infrared sensor
[17:29] <SpeedEvil> jarod: asking in multiple channels when you've got answers in another one is generally not a good idea
[17:30] <Bilby> jaymaker: that's a bummer :( people are jerks :(
[17:30] <jarod> Dont have an answer
[17:30] <jarod> still debating
[17:30] <Bilby> man that sounds like a good way to get a virus
[17:30] <Lonefish> so you only record when there's movement?
[17:30] <Bilby> downloading random mp3s from IRC based on a vague question
[17:30] <jaymaker> Nope - just in general
[17:30] <Lonefish> should be projects all over the internet tho jaymaker
[17:30] <jarod> just listen live in chrome
[17:30] <jarod> and x264.nl is not vague :)
[17:31] * mfa298 senses Deja Vu seeing the same question in multiple places
[17:31] <jaymaker> There are - but all of them seem to call for the Raspberry Pi camera module (which I don't have)
[17:31] <Bilby> so i can store ~ 900 tweets in 450 kB in sqlite... that should be fine. Images will take more space
[17:32] <Bilby> jaymaker: a USB webcam should be able to do it too, i can't remember the library offhand but there's at least one that i know of that will let you record that way
[17:32] <jaymaker> I could probably set up an old cell phone I have to do the same thing
[17:33] <jaymaker> Never thought I'd be so happy to have a bunch of old tech laying around
[17:34] <ali1234> hmm... it works
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[17:35] <jaymaker> Anyways - what happend was - one of the screen was taken off one of my bedroom windows while I was away. I went in my bedroom and checked around and nothing was moved - taken - or stolen. If I had to guess, someone took the screen off in hopes that my dog would jump outside and run away :/
[17:35] <ali1234> but brightness is reversed, and it still squeals
[17:35] <SpeedEvil> jaymaker: 'motion' - works well with usb cams
[17:36] <SpeedEvil> http://www.lavrsen.dk/foswiki/bin/view/Motion/MotionGuide
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[17:36] <jaymaker> Thanks Speed :)
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[17:42] <ali1234> ah... the board *is* different
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[18:05] <ahihi> finally got my Audio Injector sound card :D http://i.imgur.com/1ThST0H.jpg
[18:05] <ahihi> time to start making some noise
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[18:07] <TheLostAdmin> ahihi you need to add a pi camera to that beast.
[18:08] <ahihi> lol
[18:08] <ahihi> I don't really have a use for the camera :P this is meant to become a synth/fx unit
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[18:24] <Bilby> hahaha OH
[18:24] <Bilby> OH I GET IT
[18:24] <Bilby> python, you're too simple for me
[18:24] <Bilby> ahihi: not bad looking... yeah the Wolfrum card never did get a replacement. I have one, it's schweet
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[18:30] <gnostic> ugh. sorry, brb
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[18:32] <ahihi> Bilby: I hadn't seen that one actually
[18:32] <ahihi> but I like the RCA jacks and volume knobs on this one :)
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[18:34] <Bilby> yeah, looks decent and easy to plug right into
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[18:40] <ascheel> If you have an RPi 2/3 and have composite video plugged in, if you plug in HDMI, does it take precedence? Does it require a reboot to do so?
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[18:41] <Bilby> HDMI is higher priority if active, yes i believe it takes a reboot
[18:43] <IT_Sean> Bilby is correct. HDMI presence is detected at boot, and trumps composite out.
[18:43] <Bilby> looks like officially it's only supported after reboot, but you might try running the command "tvservice" to see what possibilities lie there
[18:43] <Bilby> that may only affect how the composite output displays, though... not sure, haven't tried
[18:44] <ascheel> Thank you. :) I've been looking into a Supaboy and it's ripe for a Raspberry Pi. Membrane buttons, audio, LiIon battery already on 5v with charger, built in screen that accepts composite video, and enough room for an unmodified RPi 3 with ease.
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[18:44] <ShorTie> you can force hdmi on boot, but normally if no hdmi preasent it goes to composite
[18:45] <grandpa> i busted a blood vessel in my eye again u_u
[18:45] <ascheel> Well, I was thinking if I get one and shove a Pi into it, I can set up the HDMI to have a side-mount on the case. Screen if no HDMI, external if there is.
[18:47] <kerio> how's "membrane buttons" a plus :|
[18:47] <kerio> microswitches or bust
[18:48] <grandpa> yur moms a microswitch
[18:48] <grandpa> ;o
[18:48] <ascheel> I like the feel of membrane buttons
[18:48] * IT_Sean thumps grandpa
[18:48] <IT_Sean> Be nice.
[18:48] <grandpa> ow
[18:48] <grandpa> hehe
[18:48] <Zeno`> can anyone explain to me what pins of the pot are connected to what in this: https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-nN8CzfWEII4/Vq8fHdTN3yI/AAAAAAAAAwg/nhY9vGWeZiQ/s1600/MCP3008%2BBread%2BBoard.jpg ?
[18:48] * sfeinste (~spruce@wsip-70-182-97-194.ks.ks.cox.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
[18:48] <Zeno`> from http://robsraspberrypi.blogspot.com.au/2016/01/raspberry-pi-adding-analogue-inputs.html
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[18:50] <ascheel> kerio: Sorry for the ignorance, but what's a micro switch?
[18:50] <IT_Sean> it's like a normal switch, but, micro.
[18:50] <ascheel> You mean the little tactile buttons?
[18:50] <IT_Sean> that's one example.
[18:50] <ascheel> This kind? http://www.electroncomponents.com/image/cache/data/switches/EC_SWTactile-500x500.jpg
[18:50] <ascheel> What other kinds are there?
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[18:51] <Zeno`> I'm guess that the top part of the pot (the purple wire) is the sweeper?
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[18:52] <Zeno`> also, what if I have a 1K pot? Should the resistor then also be 1K?
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[18:52] <kerio> ascheel: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miniature_snap-action_switch
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[18:53] <ascheel> thank you
[18:53] <kerio> the kind of button used in arcade machines
[18:53] <kerio> that goes click click
[18:53] <ascheel> ah.......
[18:54] <kerio> especially the joysticks used in arcade machines
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[18:56] <grandpa> pardon me, i speak jive
[18:56] <grandpa> :3
[18:57] <IT_Sean> Ja. Arcade joysticks are typically just 4 (or 8) momentary switches, arrayed around the bottom of the lever.
[18:57] <TheLostAdmin> you young whipper snappers and your crazy jive speak.
[18:57] <kerio> 4
[18:57] <IT_Sean> (sometimes 5, or 9, if the stick has a press-in action)
[18:57] <kerio> 8 switches would give you a 16 way joystick
[18:57] <grandpa> jive turkey
[18:57] <IT_Sean> kerio, there are also 5, 8, and 9 switch varients.
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[18:58] <ascheel> Cut me some slack, Jack. Chump don want no help, chump don't get da help.
[18:59] <kerio> oh man, sinistar had a 49-way joystick
[18:59] <grandpa> yay haha
[18:59] <kerio> i want one P:
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[18:59] <Bilby> Yay! I have threading and persistant storage working
[18:59] <grandpa> yay
[18:59] <Bilby> Boo! Now I need to get it working on a separate service... and then get it displaying properly
[19:00] <Bilby> gonna go get a sammich and think about it, haha
[19:00] <TheLostAdmin> at that point why not use variable slider type switches and have 256ish positions per dimension?
[19:00] <IT_Sean> because in hell that is all you get!
[19:00] <IT_Sean> TheLostAdmin, It comes down to ease of reparability.
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[19:00] <TheLostAdmin> and 49 switches is easier to repair?
[19:01] <IT_Sean> if one fails, yes
[19:02] <kerio> also click click click
[19:02] <kerio> :3
[19:03] <IT_Sean> The type of switches used in commercial grade arcade machines are all interchanagable, and can be VERY quickly swapped out when one fails. The idea is to not have a bunch of specalized parts that would need ordering, etc....
[19:04] <TheLostAdmin> okay
[19:04] <TheLostAdmin> hmm. I always wanted my own arcade game. I don't have the space for it.
[19:05] <IT_Sean> If you opened up an arcade cab, you would see that every button, joystick ,etc... uses the same type of switch, generally.
[19:05] <TheLostAdmin> I never looked that close.
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[19:05] <IT_Sean> the "button" that you see from the outside is just a lump of colored plastic that pushes a standardized click switch.
[19:05] <TheLostAdmin> but it makes sense
[19:06] <IT_Sean> In the event of a failed switch, a new one can be swapped in in just a couple of minutes, so the game could go back to making money for it's owner.
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[19:07] <grandpa> eric clapton - wonderful tonight
[19:07] <ascheel> Love me some Clapton. Named my dog Layla.
[19:07] <grandpa> :D
[19:08] <grandpa> layla is a good song
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[19:08] <ascheel> Funny, yet sad... I didn't know he was British until about a year ago.
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[19:08] <grandpa> i didnt either until just now
[19:08] <grandpa> ;s
[19:08] <ascheel> lol
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[19:09] <grandpa> i dont understand why british singers often sound like americans
[19:09] <grandpa> when they sing
[19:09] <ascheel> How do we know that Americans don't sound like the Brits when they sing? :)
[19:09] <TheLostAdmin> maybe they think it'll sell more records in the US?
[19:09] <grandpa> well i guess thats possible ;p
[19:09] <grandpa> that is too TLA
[19:09] <ascheel> TLA?
[19:09] <grandpa> thelostadmin
[19:10] <ascheel> ah
[19:10] <grandpa> :>
[19:10] <thykka> is it possible to use raspistill in a normal window, with decorations etc?
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[19:11] <thykka> i'm asking because I can't seem to switch workspaces while it's running
[19:11] <TheLostAdmin> raspistill is (afaik) a command line tool only.
[19:11] <TheLostAdmin> You could run xterm and then run raspistill
[19:12] <TheLostAdmin> inside the xterm
[19:12] <Zeno`> or just not use X
[19:12] <thykka> i'm launching it via lxterm, but i guess it creates some kind of an overlay or something
[19:12] <grandpa> mmm framebuffer
[19:12] <TheLostAdmin> if you don't use X, how do you "switch workspaces"?
[19:12] <Zeno`> screen or tmux I guess :D
[19:12] <TheLostAdmin> Oh. you can tell raspistill to not show you the picture.
[19:13] <TheLostAdmin> Then you can load the image it saves into a more X friendly image viewer.
[19:13] <Zeno`> or use a different TTY
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[19:13] <Zeno`> those are workspaces, right?
[19:13] <thykka> i want it to show the preview, preferably even in fullscreen, but the problem is that the preview displays over lxde and all the other windows, and once it loses focus, i can't even quit it with X, Enter
[19:14] <thykka> can't even switch to a different tty while the preview is showing
[19:14] <ascheel> Sounds like the preview displays directly to the framebuffer
[19:14] <thykka> yeah, something like that
[19:15] <TheLostAdmin> yes, you need to use a different tool to view the previews. IIRC raspistill talks directly to the GPU.
[19:15] <TheLostAdmin> or, what ascheel said.
[19:15] <thykka> okay, too bad. the performance is really good considering the hardware
[19:15] <thykka> i'm guessing another tool wouldn't be as snappy
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[19:16] <TheLostAdmin> The right tool should be pretty close, but I don't know what that tool is.
[19:21] * grandpa squirms
[19:22] <Zeno`> brb, getting grandpa's meds
[19:22] <grandpa> :)
[19:22] <grandpa> i already took em ;o
[19:22] <grandpa> ;p
[19:22] <Zeno`> I'll be the judge of that. I think you forgot some
[19:23] <Zeno`> :D
[19:23] <grandpa> :P
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[19:23] <grandpa> whats a few more pills and injections
[19:23] * grandpa shrugs
[19:23] <gordonDrogon> ascheel, I suggest listening to "The Proclaimers" at some point ...
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[19:24] <ascheel> I have a little. Just a few songs.
[19:24] <ascheel> Everybody knows 500 miles. AMIRITE?!
[19:24] <grandpa> hum a few bars
[19:24] <xymantec> ...
[19:24] <ascheel> If you start, you won't stop until the wee hours of the morning.
[19:24] <ascheel> Ear worm
[19:24] <Bilby> hum HUM hum hum hum hum hum hum
[19:24] <xymantec> lol
[19:25] <Bilby> hum HUMMM hum hum hem hum hum hum
[19:25] <grandpa> ^_^
[19:25] <ascheel> hum HUM hum hum hum hum hum hum
[19:25] <ascheel> dammit
[19:25] <Bilby> lol
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[19:25] <ascheel> Bilby beat me to it
[19:25] * IT_Sean thumps Bilby
[19:25] <xymantec> that shit is hilarious...
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[19:25] <xymantec> like I'm over here now trying to hum that text to the rythim...
[19:25] <xymantec> fml
[19:26] <grandpa> :D
[19:26] <Bilby> hey, they asked
[19:26] <Bilby> I went to a community theatre production of The Little Mermaid last night
[19:27] <Bilby> I'm working in a professional office trying like hell not to sing "Under the sea" to myself...
[19:27] <xymantec> sounds interesting
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[19:27] <xymantec> lol
[19:27] <ascheel> I think you guys would get a kick out of this, then. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yi7mBzdDHyY
[19:27] <ascheel> Literal Safety Dance by Men Without Hats
[19:28] <TheLostAdmin> just for Bilby: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GC_mV1IpjWA
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[19:28] <Bilby> Aack
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[19:29] <gordonDrogon> so I have a 12V solenoid valve that is acting funny - I apply 12v to it and it clicks then almost immediately clunks. it briefly goes on, lets stuff through then shuts down again, even though the power is still on. weird. anyone seen that? I've never encountered it in a good few decades of playing with stuff like this...
[19:29] <Bilby> forget it. lean into the wave *watches*
[19:29] <IT_Sean> xymantec, please review the channel rules re: language as linked in the topic. Thank you.
[19:29] <Bilby> UNDER THE SEA
[19:29] <Bilby> UNDER THE SEA
[19:29] <Bilby> TAKE IT FROM ME
[19:31] <jaymaker> Damn. Haven't heard that song in a couple decades
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[19:32] <gordonDrogon> my suspicion is that my friend who bought it got the cheapest .cn part he could find )-:
[19:32] <xymantec> wtf did i just watch -_-...
[19:33] <ascheel> xymantec: you have to be more specific
[19:33] <ascheel> gordonDrogon: what distance between the source and the solenoid?
[19:33] <ascheel> and is it a 12v solenoid?
[19:33] <ascheel> (as opposed to 24v)
[19:34] <gordonDrogon> it's 12v. at least that's whats stamped on the label.
[19:34] <xymantec> Dance by Men Without Hats...
[19:34] <gordonDrogon> voltage over the coil drops from 11.95 to 11.90 when its on - the PSU is a PC psu - it gets warn enough, so plenty of current flowing.
[19:34] <xymantec> the video, never seen it
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[19:35] <ascheel> xymantec: It's awesome. :) Those are not the original lyrics. That's the LITERAL version.
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[19:35] <ascheel> 11.9 should be fine, I would think.
[19:35] <ascheel> gordonDrogon: what's the distance the 12v is traveling, though?
[19:35] <ascheel> and what gauge wire (if you know)
[19:36] <gordonDrogon> I measured the voltage at the coil, but it's a standrd PC PSU - so whatever length the yellow+black wires are...
[19:36] <ascheel> right, but it's the voltage at the solenoid that matters.
[19:37] <ascheel> Are we talking 5 feet or are we talking 25 feet?
[19:37] <gordonDrogon> that's why I'm measuring the voltage AT THE COIL.
[19:37] <ascheel> Sorry, I misheard you and thought you said you measured it at the PSU
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[19:38] <gordonDrogon> the wires are about 250mm at most.
[19:38] <gordonDrogon> well maybe 300.
[19:38] <ascheel> heh... that's not exactly long, so definitely not an issue.
[19:40] <ascheel> How many Amps is the PSU allowing, do you know? Perhaps the current's not enough.
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[19:40] <grandpa> neat i'm actually well within the rules \o/
[19:41] <ascheel> and do you have another solenoid you can swap out to see if it's just a single solenoid to try to narrow down the issue?
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[19:41] <gordonDrogon> not sure - my meter won't go high enough - however the coil is 10Ω so it ought to only pull 1.2A - I've used the PSU in the past with some power hungry stepper motors (4 of them at 2A per coil) so I'm fairly sure that's beefy enough.
[19:42] <Zeno`> grandpa, back to your bed!
[19:42] <gordonDrogon> wish I'd not sold a lot of my old test kit last time I moved...
[19:42] * IT_Sean sets mode -o IT_Sean
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[19:42] <gordonDrogon> no just this one solenoid for now. I suspect it's just rubbish.
[19:42] <grandpa> ow
[19:43] <grandpa> Zeno`: my pi3 is next to my bed vesa mounted to the back of a monitor :)
[19:43] <Zeno`> lol
[19:43] <gordonDrogon> might be time to invest in another bench PSU.
[19:43] <ascheel> gordonDrogon: got a second solenoid to test? *shrug* Not sure what else it could be. Is the closing of the solenoid an exact interval from when it opens or does it feel random? Trying to determine if the Pi could be telling it to close or if it's failing hardware
[19:44] <gordonDrogon> ascheel, it's not a Pi driving it - it's a switch going directly between the solenoid and the PSU.
[19:44] <gordonDrogon> I test stuff one step at a time....
[19:44] <ascheel> ah.
[19:45] <ascheel> wise idea. Then either the PSU is bad, the solenoid is bad, or it's intentional on the part of the solenoid (not likely)
[19:45] <gordonDrogon> going to dig-out another PSU.
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[19:51] <grandpa> i hope a tablet case goes on the market for the pi's official display thats not like 3 inches thick
[19:51] <grandpa> i wouldnt mind desoldering the usb and ethernet ports
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[19:52] <grandpa> or at least reposition them
[19:53] <TheLostAdmin> I hope so too but I think the best we are going to see would be 1/2 inch, old man.
[19:53] <IT_Sean> Don't hold your breathe
[19:54] <TheLostAdmin> I've seen a few home made ones.
[19:54] <grandpa> me too
[19:54] <TheLostAdmin> I was toying with designs but I can't figure out how to get it reasonably thin and still be able to use the GPIO.
[19:54] <grandpa> im actually only 34 :(
[19:54] <Zeno`> grandpa, it's more important that you get a tablet case for you meds with a box for each day so you don't forget any
[19:54] <grandpa> hehe
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[19:57] <TheLostAdmin> All I want is the display, astro-pi board for all the sensors, camera, and a decent battery in that case.
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[19:57] <TheLostAdmin> Okay, maybe I do need to think along the lines of 2 or 3 inches thick.
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[19:57] <grandpa> hmm
[19:58] <grandpa> i dont see why one couldnt reposition the gpio off the board aside from a bunch of wires to solder
[19:59] <TheLostAdmin> that's kind of my issue. pulling the pins and replacing them. I'm lazyish and I want easy to replace broken parts.
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[19:59] <grandpa> :)
[19:59] <stivs> a pi-based meds dispenser would be a cool project. my mum, for example, takes nearly a dozen pills a day
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[20:00] <TheLostAdmin> and what happens if it fails?
[20:00] <grandpa> actually that would be nice.. opening a dozen pill bottles and taking out just one pill gets old pretty quick
[20:01] <grandpa> idk about stivs mom (ahem) but i can miss a dose or two here and there
[20:02] <grandpa> ;p
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[20:04] <grandpa> 14:04:43 up 6 days, 17:42, 5 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
[20:05] <grandpa> i need more daemons on my pi2
[20:05] <TheLostAdmin> clearly
[20:05] <Habbie> clearly not
[20:05] <Habbie> it's perfect just the way it is!
[20:05] <grandpa> :)
[20:05] <stivs> there are pills for that, too!
[20:06] <grandpa> lol
[20:06] <TheLostAdmin> I think you should make it a public access shell server, granpa.
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[20:06] <Habbie> that will solve several of your problems, yes
[20:06] <TheLostAdmin> grandpa too or gramps
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[20:06] <Habbie> and will totally not introduce new ones
[20:06] <grandpa> hehe
[20:07] <grandpa> i could do that with my pi1 if i get a microusb cable
[20:07] <gordonDrogon> so � a volt better with another PSU and it works.
[20:07] <grandpa> its just sitting here doing nothing
[20:07] <grandpa> wb
[20:07] <TheLostAdmin> Habbie if you don't advertise it, you might be surprised.
[20:08] <Habbie> TheLostAdmin, oh i know
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[20:09] <TheLostAdmin> I did it once years ago. Mounted all filesystems read-only, temp was in memory and mounted noexec. Only way in was ssh (but it prompted for new account creation) firewall (on a separate devices) didn't allow anything outbound other than the ssh replies. Not takers for a week. Just script kiddies trying to guess ssh passwords.
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[20:12] <gordonDrogon> media dispensers will never fail.... just like automated pet food dispensers would never fail ...
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[20:15] <gordonDrogon> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-36912992
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[20:20] <Solarbaby> can't be too much longer until we see a pi with 2 gigs of ram
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[20:21] <Zeno`> "Please ensure that your pets have been fed manually"
[20:21] <Zeno`> for some reason I cannot stop laughing at that statement
[20:22] <Solarbaby> hehe
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[20:22] <Zeno`> based on that logic I manually feed myself! lol
[20:22] <TheLostAdmin> I generally leave the details of feeding my cat upto said cat. I just try to ensure an adequate supply of food.
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[20:26] <Solarbaby> feed the kitty a rpi
[20:26] <Habbie> feed the rpi a stray kitten
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[20:29] <Solarbaby> kitten binary soup
[20:30] * IT_Sean feeds Solarbaby to a kitten
[20:30] <Solarbaby> I is good eating
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[20:32] <gordonDrogon> and Pimoroni has a sale - just after I've bought a wodge of "stuff" from them )-:
[20:34] <ascheel> Anybody messed with PXE booting on the Pi 3, yet?
[20:35] <TheLostAdmin> does it do that?
[20:35] <ascheel> it does
[20:35] <TheLostAdmin> without a sd card?
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[20:35] <ascheel> sorta-kinda.
[20:35] <ascheel> You need to boot to the SD card the first time
[20:35] <ascheel> that's to set a config flag. After that first time, it knows where to go
[20:36] <ascheel> finding a link
[20:36] <TheLostAdmin> thats okay. I don't have a Pi3 yet but good to know.
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[20:37] <ascheel> well, I want the link, too. I wiped the history and favorites on my work PC to keep me from getting distracted. Now, I can't find the links!
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[20:40] <ascheel> here we go: https://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/4upj7y/psa_usb_and_pxe_booting_without_an_sd_card_on_the/?ref=search_posts
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[20:43] <TheLostAdmin> awesome. Next time the boss says we need to cut IT spending I'll give him a PXE booting Pi as a desttop.
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[20:47] <TheLostAdmin> More seriously, that will be really nice for a number of educational institutions that have had problems with students messing with the SD cards used to boot the Pis.
[20:47] <Zeno`> net boot ftw!
[20:47] <TheLostAdmin> Now. Can we set-up a public over-the-internet netboot server for the Pi 3?
[20:48] <TheLostAdmin> That actually sounds like fun.
[20:48] <Zeno`> well you can do it on a local network so I guess it's possible on a public network
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[20:50] <TheLostAdmin> I was thinking along the lines of also how to reasonably protect it so people don't monkey with the software used by other people.
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[21:19] <deadhound> does pi 3 model b have an internal temp sensor?
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[21:21] <TheQuestionmark> I suppose so... you can read the RPi2's chip temperature without additonal hardware at least and since the RPi3 is basically a RPi2 on steroids... yea...
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[21:38] <Vainglory> i've got an opc server i'm connecting to ( openpixelcontrol - http://github.com/zestyping/openpixelcontrol ). i have an LED board that i'm using. i want to send a local video ( bigbuckbunny ) to the opc and have it displayed on the LEDs.
[21:38] <Vainglory> this is the code i have currently, that works, albeit slowly, the resolution is way off, and it's depending on the raspberry pi's camera - https://bpaste.net/show/378fb9611b2d - python 2
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[22:35] <gordonDrogon> ozzzy, you have the full pi top with keyboard? thought they weren't out yet...?
[22:36] <ozzzy> it's on it's way
[22:36] <ozzzy> keyboard, glidepoint, screen etc. etc.
[22:36] <gordonDrogon> ok
[22:39] <deadhound> any suggestions on pi ftp program? i forgot what i used to use
[22:40] <Habbie> deadhound, text or graphical?
[22:40] <deadhound> i'm using jessie lite
[22:40] <leftyfb> ncftp
[22:40] <deadhound> but i want to ftp from my pc on the network
[22:40] <leftyfb> so you mean ftp server
[22:40] <Habbie> do you need a ftp server or a client for your pi?
[22:40] <Habbie> *an
[22:40] <deadhound> yeah sorry ftp server
[22:40] <leftyfb> deadhound: I wouldn't
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[22:41] <Habbie> deadhound, samba is nice instead
[22:41] <leftyfb> deadhound: you already have ssh built in, use that
[22:41] <gordonDrogon> proftpd, but ....
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[22:41] <Habbie> or indeed sftp to your ssh
[22:41] <leftyfb> deadhound: use winscp on your pc
[22:41] <Habbie> because you already have that
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[22:41] <deadhound> i have ssh setup can i just sftp using ssh?
[22:41] <Habbie> yeah winscp is nice
[22:41] <Habbie> deadhound, yes
[22:41] <deadhound> oops my bad
[22:41] <gordonDrogon> ftp is a lot faster on the Pi - safe enough on a private/home LAN.
[22:41] <Habbie> that it is
[22:41] <Habbie> but smb is best of both worlds
[22:41] <leftyfb> gordonDrogon: by why bother?
[22:42] <gordonDrogon> leftyfb, because he asked for one?
[22:42] <leftyfb> persoanlly I use rsync as much as I can
[22:42] <gordonDrogon> the Pi is slow at encryption, but other than that, I use nfs here.
[22:43] <Habbie> rsync is the best in any case ;)
[22:43] <gordonDrogon> if you are not in a hurry on the Pi...
[22:43] <leftyfb> gordonDrogon: people asking for ftp usually do because they don't know better :)
[22:43] <Habbie> leftyfb, fact
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[22:44] <Habbie> rsync over ssh manages 7mbyte/sec here
[22:44] <Habbie> ftp would do 10
[22:44] <Habbie> so deadhound, use sftp in winscp
[22:44] <Habbie> it's easy and safe
[22:44] <Habbie> this is pi2 to be clear
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[22:51] <ascheel> Habbie: set your .ssh/config file to use the 'Arcfour' cipher. It's loads faster than the default ciphers. Not entirely secure over the public internet, though.
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[22:52] <Habbie> ascheel, good call
[22:52] <Habbie> ascheel, a fine tradeoff at home for sure
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[22:53] <ascheel> And if you're feeling especially adventurous, install the HPN patch to allow a non-encrypting cipher
[22:53] <ascheel> basically giving you SSH without the overhead of encryption. Totally not secure! But you could do it. ;)
[22:53] <Habbie> does raspbian even ship that?
[22:53] <ascheel> Doesn't have to. Compile it.
[22:54] <Habbie> well yes
[22:54] <Habbie> but also no
[22:54] <ascheel> eh?
[22:54] * gordonDrogon remembers good old rsh, etc.
[22:54] <Habbie> i used rsh
[22:54] <Habbie> it was super fast
[22:54] <Habbie> i've also used rsyncd
[22:54] <Habbie> to fill gbit
[22:54] <Habbie> which back then was an accomplishment
[22:54] <ascheel> rsyncd is awesome.
[22:54] <Habbie> ye
[22:55] <Habbie> but even less secure than ssh null :)
[22:55] <ascheel> but especially painful to set up...
[22:55] <Habbie> 'eh'
[22:55] <Habbie> i wish it had an ssh-based bootstrap mode
[22:55] <Habbie> like ansible fireball it's called i think?
[22:55] <Habbie> or mosh
[22:56] <ascheel> For almost all purposes, using 'Arcfour' cipher does pretty well on the Pi. Not as fast as no cipher at all, but when using 'scp' or 'rsync', it's nice. Batching an FTP transfer is a pain. Same with SMB.
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[22:56] <Habbie> well if the default ssh cypher gives me 70%
[22:56] <Habbie> arcfour will move the bottleneck outside of ssh
[22:56] <ascheel> Hopefully
[22:58] * ozzzy says 'might as well put an rtc on the pi
[22:59] <Habbie> ozzzy, what's the relation to the current subject?
[22:59] <ozzzy> no relation at all... disappointed?
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[22:59] <Habbie> just confused
[22:59] <ascheel> I want to put an rtc on my primary Pi. Does it require a kernel module to take advantage of?
[22:59] <ozzzy> that's the good thing about IRC... multiple discussions can happen at the same time
[22:59] <Habbie> ozzzy, right
[23:00] <Habbie> ozzzy, but your 'ozzzy says' suggested a relation
[23:00] <ozzzy> ascheel, the module is there
[23:00] <ozzzy> ahhh
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[23:00] <Habbie> so
[23:00] <Habbie> the split is clear
[23:00] <Habbie> why do you want an RTC?
[23:00] <Habbie> either of you
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[23:06] <kerio> i want a parvency of floating point performance
[23:06] <Habbie> parvency?
[23:08] <kerio> you know
[23:08] <kerio> at least try to fake it a bit
[23:08] <Habbie> i can only fake things in dutch
[23:08] <kerio> python is my actual problem ._.
[23:08] <Habbie> ok
[23:08] <Habbie> i know python
[23:08] <Habbie> go on :)
[23:08] <kerio> well
[23:09] <kerio> i'm doing a bit of scientific programming
[23:09] <kerio> numerical analysis, monte carlo methods, stuff like that
[23:09] <kerio> my problem is that compared to a real cpu, the performance is awful
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[23:09] <kerio> pls fix
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[23:09] <Habbie> what distribution are you running?
[23:09] <kerio> raspbian
[23:09] <Habbie> also i'm pretty sure the cpu in a pi is real
[23:10] <Habbie> hmm
[23:10] <kerio> THEN WHY CAN'T I FLOATS ;-;
[23:10] <Habbie> the sole reason for raspbian existing is float performance
[23:10] <Habbie> without it you would have been much worse off
[23:10] <Habbie> on a pi1 at least
[23:10] <kerio> to be fair dealing with doubles with a 32bit userland is probably not the best idea
[23:11] <kerio> whatevs, i'll just cloud it up
[23:11] <kerio> and ask for a subscription
[23:11] <gordonDrogon> maybe its python? float/doubles work well in C - far faster than the original distro way back...
[23:11] <kerio> why code efficiently when you can just plop a container on ec2
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[23:11] <kerio> gordonDrogon: that could very well be true
[23:11] <kerio> python also makes it a bit more challenging to properly parallelize stuff
[23:12] <gordonDrogon> why code efficiently... why not? but who knows.
[23:12] <kerio> also i'm not comparing it to the original distro way back
[23:12] <kerio> i'm comparing it to a second-to-last gen i7 :3
[23:12] <Habbie> yeah python threads are mostly useless if you are doing math in python
[23:12] <kerio> actually maybe it's the third to last?
[23:12] <kerio> crystal well
[23:12] <Habbie> kerio, so what does one of those cost? :)
[23:12] <kerio> Habbie: well, numpy is mostly a C extension module
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[23:13] <gordonDrogon> comparing ARM to i7 isn't a fair comparision.
[23:13] <Habbie> that it is
[23:13] <kerio> but the bulk of my stuff is a handful of scipy stuff written in python
[23:13] <Habbie> responding to numpy to be clear but both statements are valid
[23:13] <kerio> hey, my laptop is only using around 3 times the maximum wattage of the rpi :3
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[23:14] <Habbie> the pi is low power but i don't even know how it does in flops per watt
[23:14] <ascheel> Habbie: you asked why I want an RTC. Because the Pi I want it attached to is a homebrew alarm clock.
[23:14] <Habbie> ascheel, ah
[23:14] <ascheel> Habbie: 5" HDMI screen in a project box and a touch-screen panel so I can make it do alarm clock things.
[23:14] <Habbie> ascheel, so why won't NTP do?
[23:14] <kerio> better hope you get your internet connection back up quickly enough :D
[23:14] <gordonDrogon> ascheel, can't you wi-fi & use ntp?
[23:15] <kerio> Habbie: you lose the clock on power loss
[23:15] <kerio> if you lost power, your internet is also probably gone
[23:15] <ascheel> Habbie: It DOES work, but I want it to not have to rely on it. And I want to do it for reasons.
[23:15] <kerio> at least for a while
[23:15] <Habbie> ascheel, and i'd like to know your reasons
[23:15] <ascheel> Because I can.
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[23:15] <Habbie> ascheel, actually valid
[23:15] <ascheel> I do lots of stupid crap for no other reason than "Because it's there."
[23:15] <kerio> surely someone made an i2c clock
[23:15] <gordonDrogon> ntp will keep a unix kernel running for daya/weeks/months at the right time even without an internet connection - once it's had time to stabilise and work out the drift...
[23:15] <Habbie> kerio, surely
[23:16] <kerio> use that! :D
[23:16] <Habbie> gordonDrogon, and no power failures..
[23:16] <kerio> HTH.HAND.
[23:16] <gordonDrogon> but there are many RTC modules for the Pi.
[23:16] <gordonDrogon> some with battery backup...
[23:16] <Habbie> well what's the point without battery?
[23:16] <gordonDrogon> battery for the Pi not the clock I meant ..
[23:16] <gordonDrogon> just google "pi rtc" and you'll get dozens of hits.
[23:17] <Habbie> ah
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[23:17] <kerio> can you guys recommend a battery pack good enough for a pi? something that can be charged from the 12V of a car
[23:17] <gordonDrogon> I wrote one that runs on the m48p processor on the Gertduino board...
[23:17] <Habbie> kerio, if you put a 5v usb plug in the 12V everything becomes easier
[23:17] <gordonDrogon> it has a tiny coin cell - still going after 2 years!
[23:17] <kerio> it doesn't have to last for very long, just enough to handle brief power losses due to turning the car off and on again
[23:17] <kerio> Habbie: wew
[23:18] <Habbie> kerio, i've been pondering the same
[23:18] <Habbie> kerio, my usb battery packs would do the trick for hours i think
[23:18] <ascheel> Kerio, any decent USB battery pack would do.
[23:18] <kerio> but are they something that can power the pi *and* charge at the same time?
[23:18] <ascheel> Get an Anker USB car charger. I love that company...
[23:18] <Habbie> kerio, all packs i have can do this
[23:18] <Habbie> kerio, i've been told in here this is unusual for some reason
[23:19] <kerio> the alternative would be to make my software impervious to power loss
[23:19] <Habbie> never a bad plan
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[23:19] <Habbie> so why do you have a pi in your car?
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> ah well. zed time here.
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[23:19] <Habbie> sleep well, gordonDrogon
[23:19] <kerio> Habbie: reasons
[23:19] <ascheel> LOL, answer of the day
[23:19] <Habbie> kerio, this is getting tiresome :)
[23:19] <ascheel> Habbie wants to know your reasons
[23:19] <kerio> a kind of cool project that i'm not really allowed to reveal tho :(
[23:20] <Habbie> sure
[23:20] <ali1234> what is the question?
[23:21] <kerio> ali1234: "do you have a recommendation for a good usb battery pack that can be charged from a car while in operation"
[23:21] <kerio> and apparently the answer was "anker"
[23:21] <ali1234> no that's a terrible idea
[23:21] <kerio> D:
[23:21] <ali1234> you can't charge those off 12V
[23:21] <ascheel> Anker is a company that makes good CHARGERS, no idea about their battery packs.
[23:22] <ali1234> a USB battery pack is not suitable for this at all
[23:22] <kerio> nooooou :c
[23:22] <TwoNotes> 12v-to-USB converters are in a big bowl at my drugstore, for $5
[23:22] <ascheel> Strongly recommended: https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00SSMRB9A/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[23:23] <kerio> i need like
[23:23] <ShorTie> gotta look at the amps, they may not be enough
[23:23] <kerio> a UPS for a raspi
[23:23] <oq> that "iq" they like to boast about is bullshit though
[23:23] <ascheel> 2.4A per port. Almost all of your drugstore bowl chargers are 500 mA
[23:23] <ali1234> that's completely dumb when the car already has a battery
[23:23] <ascheel> ali1234: not if the power points are switched
[23:23] <kerio> ali1234: i'm pretty sure that the 12V drops to not-12V when turning the car on
[23:23] <ali1234> also leaving a USB battery pack connected to charge at the same time it is discharging is dangerous
[23:24] <kerio> and that brief moment *will* screw with your filesystem :c
[23:24] <ali1234> kerio: sure, but you don't need 12V you need 3.3
[23:24] <ascheel> ali1234: It's just fine if there is a circuit to handle it.
[23:24] <ali1234> also boost converters exist
[23:24] <oq> ali1234: not necessarily, some battery packs are designed to pass through, acting like a ups
[23:24] <kerio> can i actually feed 3.3V to a pi and have it work?
[23:24] <ali1234> yes, actually
[23:24] <ali1234> but 5V is better
[23:24] <kerio> how flexible is the power regulator? ;o
[23:25] <ascheel> kerio: sounds like you're trying to get five 9s on a Pi.
[23:25] <ali1234> the 3.3v regulator seems to work down to about 4.5v, or you can just directly supply 3.3v
[23:25] <stiv> if the pi is using a regulator to convert 5v to 3.3, i doubt it would run on 3.3
[23:25] <kerio> ali1234: oh but the 3.3 has to come on the 40pin header?
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[23:26] <kerio> first pin plus a ground?
[23:26] <ali1234> stiv: the point is that the pi doesn't actually need 5v for anything other than powering the 3.3v regulator, so you can in fact run it off 3.3v by bypassing the regulator
[23:26] <kerio> ascheel: eeeh, just trying to not break a filesystem
[23:26] <ascheel> ali1234: and the powered USB ports
[23:26] <ascheel> kerio: good reason.
[23:26] <stiv> ali1234, sure you could power the board directly
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[23:27] <kerio> i actually wonder if the 12V from the car dips down to low enough to ruin things
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[23:27] <kerio> it's so little power being drawn from the pi side
[23:27] <ali1234> ascheel: similar situation with USB devices actually. many of them work fine at 3.3v
[23:27] <kerio> oh i guess this is an even more pressing question
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[23:27] <kerio> i understand the reasoning behind powering devices with the 5V pin plus a regulator, even if they only need 3V3
[23:28] <stiv> a car a noisy electrical environment. lots of voltage spikes and such
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[23:28] <kerio> but if i'm not really having any power issues, does it make sense to explicitly power a device with the pi's 3V3 so that the device is protected from spikes?
[23:28] <kerio> it draws very little power by design
[23:28] <TwoNotes> A battery across the power line is actually a good filter
[23:28] <kerio> TwoNotes: that was my reasoning
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[23:32] <deadhound> hmm so i can ftp with filezilla to pi over ssh but i can't connect to it using eqFTP on brackets - any ideas?
[23:33] <deadhound> it gives a json nonsense error
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[23:33] <Habbie> what is 'eqFTP on brackets'?
[23:33] <Habbie> and what's the json error?
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[23:37] <ascheel> deadhound: FTP = insecure file transfer protocol. If you're connecting over SSH, you want SFTP, Secure File Transfer Protocol.
[23:38] <ascheel> You're NOT using the 'FTP' protocol, even though you think you are. You're using 'SFTP', I'm guessing.
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[23:38] <ascheel> That's why your eqFTP fails, I believe. FTP I don't think is installed by default in Raspbian. Nor SHOULD it be installed.
[23:38] <Habbie> correct, ascheel
[23:38] <ascheel> Read this: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie
[23:39] <ascheel> If you're trying to use genuine FTP... STOP IT unless you KNOW what you're doing and you're 100% sure that it's the appropriate tool for the job.
[23:39] <Habbie> that article is terrible though
[23:39] <ascheel> Do not deviate from using an SSH based transfer unless you have a specific reason to do so. FTP should be an absolute last resort.
[23:40] <Habbie> we told him/her to use sftp, yes
[23:41] <ascheel> deadhound: also, errors are rarely nonsense. It may not make sense when you read it, but in most circumstances, the reasons for the failed transfer are in there.
[23:41] <ascheel> I'm guessing that you're seeing something about 'connection refused'
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[23:42] <ascheel> Habbie: yeah, it's not the most awesome article, but I think most of the points are spot on
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[23:47] <deadhound> ascheel it isn't a transfer issue it is connect issue 1 sec i will give error and you will see what i mean haha
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[23:49] <deadhound> i already figured it out but check out this error message
[23:49] <deadhound> eqFTP: {"code":"ECONNREFUSED","errono":"ECONNREFUSED","syscall":"connect"}
[23:50] <deadhound> literally just "connection refused" but in JSON /r/softwaregore
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