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IRC Log for 2016-07-31

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[0:00] <kerio> what options do i have to connect a flat ribbon cable to specific pins of the header?
[0:02] <damntourists> hey all, i recently created an image of my raspberry pi 2's sd card once i got it all the way i wanted it (64gb) and i'm curious if i could use the same image for my new raspberry pi 3? (also 64gb sd card)
[0:02] <damntourists> or is there anything in particular that locks that image to that revision of the board that happens during OS install?
[0:04] <CoJaBo> If the firmware and everything is up to date
[0:07] <damntourists> of the image?
[0:07] <damntourists> i made sure to do all of my dist-upgrades before i made the image (made the image last weekend)
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[0:12] <CoJaBo> should be good to go then, try it and see
[0:12] <grandpa> oof, blood vessel in my other eye burst :/
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[0:13] <Cromaglious_> as long as you shutdown the 2 and power off... you can dd if=/dev/sdcard1 of=/dev/sdcard2 bs=4M no problems or dd if=/dev/sdcardtoread of=/tmp/sdcardimage bs=4M; dd if=/tmp/sdcardimage of=/dev/sdcard bs=4M
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[0:16] <Cromaglious_> i gotta figure out how to install 64bit debian on this atom
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[0:19] <IanTLopp> Are there any 1.8" screens for the raspberry pi that would have a high refresh rate? apparently the adafruit display is very slow and wouldn't work for emulation
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[0:27] <damntourists> grandpa: wtf what happened
[0:27] <damntourists> i knew someone who did that when they puked while drinking
[0:28] * ShorTie Thinkz damntourists needs to read the channel rules
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[0:41] <ali1234> gettin closer
[0:42] <ali1234> i found a converter with the same reference voltage and switching frequency
[0:42] <IanTLopp> damntourists: what?
[0:42] <ali1234> it doesn't have a matching ID code but it similar
[0:42] <damntourists> what?
[0:43] <grandpa> damntourists: my eyes just became itchy for no apparent reason
[0:43] <grandpa> and i kept rubbing them
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[0:43] <damntourists> ooo
[0:43] <damntourists> does that just go away on its own?
[0:44] <grandpa> 'yeah its harmless
[0:44] <grandpa> just looks a bit freaky
[0:44] <damntourists> i need to get into the eye doctors soon. i think i'm developing a blind spot.
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[0:45] <ali1234> i think the 5 in TP58 is the year. 8 is probably the month
[0:45] <grandpa> i have a dark spot in my vision as well
[0:45] <grandpa> the dr says its nothing to worry about
[0:45] <damntourists> really
[0:45] <grandpa> yea
[0:46] <grandpa> says its a floater even though it doesnt look like my typical floaters
[0:46] <damntourists> i keep rubbing it because it feels like something stuck to my eye but it's always in the same position and rubbing doesn't help
[0:46] <grandpa> thats the same reason i was rubbing mine
[0:46] <damntourists> well, the fact that it's there makes me feel like something is stuck to my eye
[0:46] <grandpa> might be
[0:46] <grandpa> im no drt
[0:46] <grandpa> dr
[0:46] <grandpa> :p
[0:47] <damntourists> been like this for weeks :(
[0:47] <grandpa> ow
[0:47] <grandpa> i have a eye appt on monday to get contacts
[0:47] <grandpa> should be an interesting visit
[0:47] <damntourists> i've had the same glasses for about 4 years now so i might as well go and take care of both
[0:48] <damntourists> contacts weird me out
[0:48] <grandpa> ye
[0:48] <damntourists> my wife uses them but i don't think i could do it
[0:48] <grandpa> its hard putting them in at first
[0:48] <grandpa> i kept trying to close my eye
[0:48] <ozzzy> I'll stick with specs
[0:48] <grandpa> cos i never put anythign there
[0:49] <grandpa> :>
[0:49] <damntourists> i'm starting to feel old
[0:49] <damntourists> eye sight is going
[0:49] <damntourists> i'm all decrepit now
[0:49] <grandpa> i stopped wearing mine because they were old and had scratches on the lenses
[0:50] <grandpa> how old are you ;p
[0:50] <damntourists> 31
[0:50] <grandpa> dang
[0:50] <grandpa> im 34
[0:50] <damntourists> rounding up, that's close to middle age
[0:50] <grandpa> :P
[0:50] <damntourists> lol
[0:50] <damntourists> wife is 36
[0:50] <grandpa> interesting
[0:51] <grandpa> ive mostly only known couples where the guy is the elder
[0:51] <GenteelBen> grandpa, where's grandma?
[0:52] <grandpa> i pushed her over a cliff
[0:52] <GenteelBen> Can I call you papaw?
[0:52] <grandpa> sure
[0:52] <GenteelBen> papaw <3
[0:52] <GenteelBen> Ok, carry on.
[0:52] <grandpa> typically im called pi which is short for pierut
[0:52] <grandpa> ;s
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[0:52] <grandpa> i thought that might confuse people
[0:53] <grandpa> :)
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[1:03] <damntourists> what do you guys think of this case? https://www.amazon.com/Premium-Touchscreen-Official-Raspberry-Display/dp/B01GQFUWIC/ref=cm_cr_othr_d_product_top?ie=UTF8
[1:03] <damntourists> any other cases any of you guys recommend?
[1:05] <oq> you already have the display?
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[1:05] <oq> $26 seems a bit much for a bit of plastic
[1:06] <damntourists> i'm putting the display together now
[1:06] <damntourists> i have a few projects in mind for it
[1:09] <grandpa> aside from the bulky part where the pi sits, it seems like it would do the job.. does a battery fit in it?
[1:12] <ShorTie> doesn't look like any battery room
[1:13] <grandpa> hmm'
[1:13] <grandpa> https://www.amazon.com/Eleduino-Raspberry-Official-Touchscreen-Display/dp/B01FZ2RJN8/ref=pd_sim_147_4?ie=UTF8&dpID=41%2By3%2BQBe1L&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR160%2C160_&psc=1&refRID=51VH5BG8GEVBB5AM1AJN
[1:13] <grandpa> this one is purdy
[1:13] <ShorTie> just get a tablet, imho
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[1:32] <IanTLopp> anyone know of a 5" 640x480 screen with touchscreen for the pi?
[1:32] <IanTLopp> or without touchscreen, but capactive touch would be a nice option.
[1:33] <damntourists> you check adafruit.com ?
[1:33] <damntourists> tons of pi related goodies there
[1:33] <damntourists> lots of screens
[1:34] <grandpa> hehe speaking of adafruit.. i wanted to buy a bunch of stickers so i went through and picked out the ones i wanted and there was about 12...stickers.. that's it and they wanted to charge me $15 for basic shipping
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[1:37] <IanTLopp> adafruit.com doesn't have it, nor does alibaba as far as I can tell - been searching for a while. I have found one that works on the banana pro which seems to be a raspberrypi variant, but I have no clue whether it would work or not.
[1:38] <IanTLopp> I may just have to buy the banana pro unit and see how to adapt it to the pi. I'm good with physically modifying pcb's and the like, but coding, I'm pretty shite at.
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[1:44] <damntourists> aw man
[1:45] <damntourists> ok so writing an existing rPi2 image to a rPi3 may have been a bad idea.
[1:45] <damntourists> :(
[1:45] <damntourists> it's not detecting the built in wifi, nor is it detecting usb wifi
[1:46] <damntourists> le sigh
[1:48] <grandpa> maybe the kernel module isnt loaded
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[1:48] <damntourists> meh
[1:48] <damntourists> i'm just starting a fresh install
[1:48] <damntourists> probably safest solution
[1:48] <grandpa> thats how i get out of defragging
[1:48] <IanTLopp> anyone have a resource or tutorial for how to cut a pcb in half but keep all lines still connected? best I've found was a benheck N64 portable video, but it barely talks about how he did it.
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[1:51] <grandpa> i think that might just require intimate knowledge of circuits
[1:52] <shauno> seems like something that'd be straight-forward with a single-layer board, and quickle devolve into the stuff of nightmares with multiple layers
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[1:58] <IanTLopp> it's pretty simple - trying to make a split super nintendo controller and add 2 buttons (replicas of L and R)
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[2:02] <ali1234> i found it
[2:02] <ali1234> http://www.onsemi.com/pub_link/Collateral/CAT4139-D.PDF
[2:02] <ali1234> marking code TPYM
[2:02] <ali1234> this proves that the V1.0 board is incorrectly laid out, which is why it doesn't work properly
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[2:06] <damntourists> huh, guess the built in wifi on the rPi3 doesn't support 5g
[2:06] <ali1234> it is b/g/n afaik
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[2:06] <damntourists> oh qwll
[2:06] <damntourists> well
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[2:14] <iantlopp> would the raspberry pi support something like this? http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-SNES-USB-Controller-For-PC-Mac-Super-Nintendo-Games-Retro-Classic-Gamepad-US-/281927556266?hash=item41a4311caa:g:18wAAOSwu4BVteBe
[2:14] <iantlopp> I know it supports the Xbox 360 gamepad.
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[2:14] <iantlopp> I should clarify, would retropie, lakka, or the others support it?
[2:15] <ali1234> probably
[2:15] <ali1234> here's the thing about USB peripherals
[2:15] <ali1234> the cheaper they are, the more likely they are to be a rip off of something else
[2:15] <DrJ> iantlopp, yes, it will support those
[2:15] <ali1234> in the case of USB input devices that normally means they just use the HID spec
[2:15] <iantlopp> I'm trying to make a portable based on the snes controller.
[2:15] <ali1234> so no driver needed basically, it will just work
[2:16] <DrJ> iantlopp, have you checked out retropi?
[2:16] <iantlopp> ali1234: okay. now to decide whether it's worth it or not... I'm guessing the off brand means the buttons will feel like crap.
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[2:16] <iantlopp> DrJ: meaning, gone to their website, or tried the distro?
[2:16] <ali1234> probably. but if you are building a portable you can just reuse the circuit with your own buttons
[2:16] <DrJ> either
[2:17] <ali1234> you probably won't fir a zero and a battery inside the case
[2:17] <iantlopp> ali1234: well I'm trying to maintain the form factor - except that the controller slides apart and shows the screen.
[2:17] <ali1234> it will be difficult, but good luck
[2:17] <iantlopp> ali1234: the case won't be completely stock, it *might* have to get a bit thicker, but I'm working on it.
[2:17] <iantlopp> I have a 3d printer, so I've got options.
[2:18] <iantlopp> I do, however, want to maintain the basic design, biggest problem is I'm going to add 2 buttons to the face too.
[2:18] <iantlopp> for fighting games, I want a six button layout to the face, so L and R have to be on the face.
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[2:21] <iantlopp> might end up having to scan the face and completely redesign it, then print it.
[2:21] <iantlopp> but I'd like to keep the original body.
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[2:35] <ali1234> okay... ordered 5 of those driver chips. let's see if i can rework the board to fix the mistake
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[2:56] <grandpa> good evening, mad scientists
[2:58] <iantlopp> I'm not mad, just a bit agitated.
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[3:01] <grandpa> :)
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[3:04] <iantlopp> apparently my mad scientist ideas are useless as I can't code, I can't build my own LCD displays... I'm stuck in the water.
[3:04] <grandpa> coding escapes me too except for scripting languages
[3:05] <grandpa> im not that great at scripting languages tho
[3:07] <iantlopp> dos batch for me... I'm slowly learning some Java - hopefully I'll be able to code my first game some day...
[3:07] <iantlopp> really basic modification of tetris
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[3:09] <methuzla> iantlopp, why java? that's quite the leap from dos batch.
[3:09] <grandpa> good luck :>
[3:09] <iantlopp> methuzla: standard language of android.
[3:10] <methuzla> also quite a leap
[3:10] <iantlopp> eventually want to learn C and have been told learning Java first then C isn't difficult
[3:10] <ozzzy> java.... ugh
[3:10] <methuzla> maybe, kind of chicken and egg.
[3:11] <methuzla> are you learning object orientated programming concepts?
[3:11] <iantlopp> not at the moment... just using codecademy atm.
[3:11] <iantlopp> and C isn't OOP, but C++ is.
[3:12] <methuzla> correct
[3:12] <iantlopp> I started learning C... some time ago. like 30 years ago... hopped into C++ and when I did so, I was completely confused.
[3:12] <methuzla> and OO isn't a programming language, but a programming approach (which various languages support to differing degrees)
[3:13] <methuzla> but it's good to learn to think in terms of OO
[3:13] <methuzla> and then learn the specific languages which support it
[3:14] <iantlopp> I get that - but I was completely confused back then, and to have a programmer friend describe what OOP is in terms of C++ recently, not a lot has changed in my understanding of it... first need to be able to get Java down.
[3:14] <methuzla> C++ is pretty much the most complex there is
[3:14] <iantlopp> then C, then C++, if I get that down, not sure where I want to go, but I have an idea that noone else has touched upon, and I think I'll end up needing to learn Assembler for it.
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[3:15] <methuzla> Java is a step down from there (can't do multiple inheritance, for example)
[3:15] <iantlopp> don't know what you mean by that... still learning.
[3:15] <grandpa> learning java, c, cpp.. and you say you're not mad!
[3:16] <methuzla> with OO, you will always be learning.
[3:16] <iantlopp> what's so mad about that? it's not like those are horribly outside the realm of standard programming languages... I can name a dozen off the top of my head that have most people spinning.
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[3:17] <grandpa> well for me mostly... i cant grasp those languages.. just sitting here thinking about it has my eyes glazed over ;p
[3:19] <iantlopp> heh... don't feel too bad - that's how I feel while learning Java.
[3:19] <iantlopp> I *REALLY* want to learn how to program though... too many ideas, bursting at the seams, basic stuff, complex stuff, games, using Unity, and other engines.
[3:19] <grandpa> :)
[3:19] <iantlopp> and I'm 38... starting back up a bit late.
[3:19] * grandpa is 34
[3:19] <iantlopp> my only real regret is not sticking with it as a kid.
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[3:24] <Berg> when i was a kid they never even had tv
[3:24] <Berg> :)
[3:24] <Berg> we used to chase cows for entertainment
[3:26] <grandpa> moooo
[3:26] <Berg> aye
[3:26] <Berg> watchy out for that cow pie
[3:26] <Berg> heheh
[3:26] <grandpa> hehe
[3:26] <JakeSays> so who amongst us has built a custom raspbian kernel?
[3:26] <iantlopp> Berg: my parents forbade me from watching TV off and on throughout my youth... dunno why really... some months it was "not healthy." then they'd get sick of no TV, start watching it, them the family would be allowed again.
[3:26] <iantlopp> JakeSays: I think it's safe to say that I am not amongst you elite few
[3:27] <JakeSays> iantlopp: neither am i.
[3:27] <JakeSays> i am in search of the rare one
[3:27] <iantlopp> JakeSays, ahh... making it sound like you ARE one... I see how it goes...
[3:28] <iantlopp> fame by association
[3:28] <grandpa> i think i could build one...installing it however never seems to work for me
[3:29] <JakeSays> iantlopp: lol
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[3:30] <JakeSays> i just need to disable the fpu
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[3:30] <JakeSays> i'm thinking i may be able to do it from a kernel module
[3:30] <JakeSays> w/o building a kernel
[3:30] <TaddyMason> hey fellas
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[3:31] <TaddyMason> could someone help me find a high DPI 3.5" display
[3:31] <Berg> my dog can count in hex .... he only has 4 toes on each front paw
[3:31] <TaddyMason> like from a camera or something
[3:31] <Berg> he has advantage
[3:31] <JakeSays> TaddyMason: i know of several. ones that work on a pi however..
[3:31] <TaddyMason> doesnt need to work on a pi
[3:31] <JakeSays> oh
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[3:31] <TaddyMason> something for an intel compute stick
[3:32] <JakeSays> then just google for smart phone screen replacements
[3:32] <JakeSays> and you'll find a ton of them
[3:32] <TaddyMason> hmm
[3:32] <TaddyMason> ill try that
[3:33] <TaddyMason> should i find a model of phone with a decent display then look up that particular screen
[3:33] <JakeSays> you can get iphone 4 screens for cheap
[3:34] <JakeSays> grandpa: lol you're only 34?
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[3:34] <iantlopp> wish *I* could find a 1.8" screen for the PI that actually had fast refresh... the adafruit unit is... well... like 10fps, and I need 30 minimum, if not 60
[3:35] <JakeSays> iantlopp: did you tweak the settings on it?
[3:35] <TaddyMason> iphone 4 is 326ppi
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[3:37] <TaddyMason> iphone 4 screen might work
[3:37] <iantlopp> iantlopp: don't have one of those screens - just what I was told.. SPI doesn't support fast screen refresh
[3:37] <JakeSays> TaddyMason: getting it to work will be interesting
[3:39] <TaddyMason> http://creotech.pl/en/produkt/mipi-dsi-display-shieldhdmi-adapter-2/
[3:39] <TaddyMason> that will run it
[3:40] <JakeSays> TaddyMason: hah. very cool!
[3:40] <JakeSays> need one of those for a note 3 or note 5 screen
[3:41] <JakeSays> because i am going to build my own phone
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[3:42] <JakeSays> oh interesting - will run off of hdmi
[3:42] <popsch> Hi. I'm trying simple things to get acquainted. I have 5v to a breadboard, and that to GPIO pin 1. "gpio mode 1 in; gpio read 1" does produce 0, although it should produce one.
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[3:42] <popsch> any ideas?
[3:43] <JakeSays> damn and its only $99
[3:43] <JakeSays> i have an iphone 4 on my desk
[3:43] <JakeSays> and a 5
[3:46] <JakeSays> now i just need to find a good LTE module
[3:49] <popsch> does anyone know where to find a man page for the gpio command from wrirepi? http://wiringpi.com/ doesn't seem to have one
[3:49] <JakeSays> there's always the source code
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[3:51] <methuzla> popsch, man gpio
[3:51] <pksato> http://wiringpi.com/the-gpio-utility/ ?
[3:51] <popsch> raspian doesn't have the man file
[3:51] <methuzla> huh. mine does.
[3:52] <popsch> pksato, thanks found that now. I made the mistake of always clicking on the submenus only
[3:52] <methuzla> but i'm on an old wheezy install, and i probably installed it from the git repo
[3:54] <popsch> btw. did the raspberry pinout change since version 1? i have a 2011.12 version here and it seems my pinout differs from what some of the web tutorials show
[3:54] <JakeSays> probably. that seems pretty old.
[3:54] <JakeSays> i mean they did change
[3:54] <JakeSays> just not sure when
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[3:56] <popsch> so what I see here doesn't hold for the rp1, correct? https://pinout.xyz/pinout/i2c
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[3:56] <JakeSays> the first 26 pins are valid for later pi1's
[3:57] <JakeSays> but very early pi's had different pinouts
[3:58] <popsch> I think I have a very early one. these pinouts seem more accurate: http://pi4j.com/pins/model-a-plus.html
[3:58] <JakeSays> the model a+ is a later model with 40 pins
[3:59] <JakeSays> popsch: look at the difference between the pi1 rev 1 & 2 on that site
[4:00] <pksato> use gpio readall to show the pinout of rpi
[4:00] <popsch> yep. I was hoping that the pinout would be the same, but I suspected that it wasnt, since some of the things didn't work
[4:00] <popsch> pksato, nice! thanks a lot
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[4:00] <JakeSays> might be time to upgrade
[4:01] <iantlopp> oh, one question I have... are all the raspberry pi's the same physical dimensions (with regards to mounting points)? I've been trying to find the dimensions of the PI 3B, but all I can find is something that lists 1, 2, and 3, but then the pictures don't say anything about which one, so I'm assuming they're supposed to be the same.
[4:01] <JakeSays> no
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[4:01] <JakeSays> the 2 & 3 are the only ones i know of that are compatible (i think)
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[4:02] <pksato> iantlopp: yes, all rpi have same dimensions.
[4:02] <pksato> ops. no.
[4:02] <pksato> All B versions.
[4:02] <iantlopp> okay, let me check that file again.
[4:02] <methuzla> iantlopp, what do you mean by mounting points?
[4:02] <pksato> A, A+, CM and Zero have other dimensions.
[4:03] <JakeSays> iantlopp: yeah the 2 & 3 have the same mount points
[4:03] <JakeSays> methuzla: holes
[4:03] <pksato> Holes? Is not for mounting. :)
[4:03] <iantlopp> http://www.raspiworld.com/images/other/drawings/Raspberry-Pi-1-2-3-Model-B.pdf so I could use this to accurately design a 3d body to mount the PI 3 to?
[4:03] <pksato> Is for production aid.
[4:03] <JakeSays> pksato: what? of course they're for mounting
[4:03] <iantlopp> there are four holes for mounting on the board
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[4:04] <iantlopp> two in the corners, the other two are 23.5mm away from the end.
[4:04] <methuzla> that hole pattern is common, yes
[4:04] <methuzla> other physical aspects differ
[4:04] <JakeSays> methuzla: i think its common on model b's only
[4:04] <pksato> 2 and 3
[4:05] <methuzla> the older models essentially had no mounting holes
[4:05] <JakeSays> way older
[4:05] <methuzla> they had 'holes'
[4:05] <JakeSays> my pi 1's have mounting holes
[4:05] <JakeSays> they're just not in convenient spots
[4:06] <methuzla> as pksato said, they're a production thing, never really meant for mounting
[4:06] <JakeSays> well they work.
[4:07] <iantlopp> so do most people with PI's just have them hover in the air? seriously what do you do with a pi other than mount it, in some way, to something you're making.
[4:07] <JakeSays> they look like regular ol' mounting holes to me
[4:07] <methuzla> indeed. it's how i mount mine as well.
[4:07] <methuzla> iantlopp, no one answer, since pi's are used in so many ways
[4:08] <iantlopp> methuzla, granted, but I can't imagine the vast majority of them NOT being mounted in SOME WAY to another object.
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[4:08] <iantlopp> clarify, mounted in some way to another object which would be its enclosure, or box for holding, or just a board its mounted to (I don't mean shields that just snap together with it)
[4:09] <JakeSays> iantlopp: well here's how i mounted the pi that runs my irc bouncer: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/410932/20160730_200738.jpg
[4:09] <JakeSays> very professionally done.
[4:09] <methuzla> i'm sure some projects have just thrown a zip tie through one of the mounting holes
[4:10] <methuzla> at the other end of the specturm, there's what got sent to the ISS
[4:10] <iantlopp> JakeSays, and that explains a lot as to why your screen is all scratched up.
[4:10] <JakeSays> lol yeah the case was worth many more times that of the pi what was in it
[4:10] <iantlopp> methuzla: OO.. what got sent to the ISS?
[4:11] <methuzla> iantlopp, astro pi
[4:11] <JakeSays> the case was something like $1,000
[4:11] <JakeSays> iirc
[4:11] <methuzla> two pi's, very nice case.
[4:12] <methuzla> $1k seems cheap
[4:12] <iantlopp> WTF???'
[4:12] <JakeSays> maybe it was 10k.
[4:12] <iantlopp> that thing is a strange looking little beast with a... sorry to say it, crappy screen
[4:12] <methuzla> it's not a screen, it's just a matrix of leds
[4:13] <JakeSays> you can get that matrix from adafruit i believe
[4:13] <methuzla> it's the sense hat
[4:13] <JakeSays> ah right
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[4:14] <Berg> it looks realy profesionaly done methuzla
[4:14] <JakeSays> man i want a 3d printer
[4:15] <methuzla> iantlopp, w.r.t. the mounting holes, they are essentially part of the HAT hardware spec
[4:15] <iantlopp> so what did people use that beast for?
[4:15] <methuzla> iantlopp, https://github.com/raspberrypi/hats/blob/master/hat-board-mechanical.pdf
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[4:16] <iantlopp> methuzla, well that follows the holes on the PI PCB.
[4:16] <methuzla> UK school kids got to design programs to be run on it - while it was on the ISS!
[4:16] <iantlopp> so a hat is just a breakout board designed to be mounted to the PI?
[4:16] <methuzla> yes
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[4:17] <pksato> No photo of rasoberry pi bed tester?
[4:17] <iantlopp> methuzla: hmm.. gonna have to look into that, because as cool an idea as that seems... with a "matrix of leds" as crappy as that, I'm having a difficult time imagining useful programs for it.
[4:17] <JakeSays> no they were $3,967 each.
[4:17] <methuzla> school kids have good imagination
[4:18] <JakeSays> ^^
[4:18] <TaddyMason> JakeSays, the iphone 4 display is 3x the ppi of the display im using now
[4:18] <JakeSays> TaddyMason: cool. i just need a larger screen for my project
[4:18] <methuzla> it's more than the display, it has a suite of sensors as well
[4:19] <TaddyMason> im not sure if i can get touch to work with what im doing
[4:19] <JakeSays> iantlopp: the problem you have is you're looking at it as a "display"
[4:19] <TaddyMason> dont really need it however it would be neat
[4:19] <methuzla> or a "screen"
[4:20] <iantlopp> JakeSays, Oh, I know.
[4:20] <JakeSays> "status indicator" would be more accurate
[4:20] * JakeSays needs to write a kernel module
[4:20] <iantlopp> methuzla, okay, the sensors have my curiosity - will have to find what sensors it has.
[4:20] <pksato> https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/laika-explorer-what-its-like-to-build-a-raspberry-pi-accessory-startup/
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[4:37] <Cromaglious_> still haven't gotten my pine64 to boot up
[4:38] <JakeSays> Cromaglious_: nothing on the hdmi monitor?
[4:38] <Cromaglious_> last image was the remix dd beta 2 image
[4:38] <Cromaglious_> nothing
[4:39] <JakeSays> i know they had issues with hdmi. mine never shows anything, but it booted fine. i just use serial to configure it then ssh from then on
[4:39] <Cromaglious_> about ready to hook up a ftdi to it.. to get a serial monitor
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[4:44] <CompanionCube> gogs can be migrated easily, Salt likely too
[4:44] <CompanionCube> but PostgreSQL...I have no idea where to start.
[4:45] <JakeSays> CompanionCube: probably want to do a backup/export and then restore/import on the new machine
[4:45] <CompanionCube> JakeSays, unfortunately the berryboot install no longer boots
[4:45] <JakeSays> pretty much the same as any other pgsql platform
[4:46] <JakeSays> lol oh well then just copy the files i suppose
[4:46] * CompanionCube wonders if it's worth doing magics to get the UIDs and shit in order
[4:47] <JakeSays> CompanionCube: you might want to bear in mind that this is a family friendly channel (see /topic)
[4:47] <CompanionCube> ah. My bad.
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[4:55] <CompanionCube> tarring up
[4:56] <iantlopp> I've got a really odd question that's going to sound very noobish, and I apologize for that, but what is, fundamentally, the difference between an Arduino board, and the Raspberry PI? they both seem to be project computers at low cost that you can do most anything with.
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[4:56] <iantlopp> arduino SEEMS more robotics friendly, but then there are all sorts of extra boards out there to attach to the PI that can do the same thing, or am I missing something really big here?
[4:57] <CompanionCube> iantlopp, an arduino operates at a lower level than a pi
[4:57] <ckeltz> iantlopp: The arduino runs no operating system, but is slightly better at manipulating signals. The RasPi makes some compromises (No ADC, slower pins) in exchange for being able to run a desktop or server operating system.
[4:57] <iantlopp> ahh, thank you :)
[4:57] <iantlopp> so no Arduino based gaming consoles - heh.
[4:57] <ckeltz> :)
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[4:58] <ckeltz> iantlopp: It can be done, just more Atari-like than Xbox-like
[4:58] <iantlopp> hehehe... I gotcha.
[4:58] <CompanionCube> and also more difficult because you have no OS. You need to directly control and manage everything in your own code
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[5:05] <CompanionCube> niice. the tarball is only 1.3G
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[5:06] <origamitaco> this channel is more crowded than the linux channel
[5:06] <origamitaco> more enthusiasts i suppose
[5:06] <CompanionCube> Nope. ##linux has 2k people.
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[5:07] <origamitaco> oh, my scrollbar just looks smaller i guess. first time irc user, so GUI it is
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[5:07] <origamitaco> (how are this many people that quiet...)
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[5:08] <Berg> we have a sound vaccum
[5:08] <Berg> hi
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[5:18] <Cromaglious_> ok serial monitor working...
[5:18] <Cromaglious_> now to figure out what it's saying
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[5:26] * RastaPastaPi has anyone here used an OLED with the raspberry pi?
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[5:28] * RastaPastaPi is anyone here even able to chat?
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[5:31] <Berg> :)
[5:31] <Berg> Im waiting for my game to start
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[5:32] <Berg> they left
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[5:37] <sir_galahad_ad> game?
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[5:45] <Berg> warzone
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[5:47] <Berg> http://wz2100.net/
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[6:01] <ccat> .
[6:01] <ccat> q: Anyone using a pi to watch some cable "tv anywhere" service?
[6:04] <Cromaglious_> ugh it's a serial monitor... doesn't look like it's a serial console
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[6:07] <cassoPi> hmm
[6:07] <cassoPi> ccat ??
[6:08] <cassoPi> PI to watch cable TV?
[6:08] <cassoPi> You can watch KODI on the PI if that helps
[6:09] <ccat> cassoPi: y, for "broadcast" cable
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[6:21] <hstl> Hi all! I need Raspberry Pi 3 for Kodi (HD films, HD TV), 3D games - PS1, PSP. Do i need more powerful power supply? What is the standart? 2,5 A? Do i need 4,5? What can you suggest?
[6:23] <Zardoz> 5v 2 to 2.5 A
[6:23] <ccat> hstl: maybe https://www.raspberrypi.org/help/faqs/#powerReqs
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[6:25] <Zardoz> https://www.raspberrypi.org/help/faqs/#powerReqs
[6:25] <Zardoz> oh ahah ccat
[6:26] <ccat> Zardoz: good to know i gave good advice! -- being new here
[6:26] <Zardoz> I use a 2.5a power supply from cana kit no issues
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[6:29] <Zardoz> I would not use anything lower then 2.x amps. the spikes in usage can get in that range.
[6:29] <Zardoz> and it "might" go power hungry.
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[6:34] <Zardoz> http://imgur.com/fEUez9W
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[6:55] <hstl> Guys, do this various remote controls work with RPi 3 out of box?
[6:55] <hstl> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wireless-Mouse-keyboard-Wireless-PC-Remote-Control-Controller-USB-IR-Receiver/391103262837?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140602152332%26meid%3Ddef06571ff2f4270a3998bf03007a9c2%26pid%3D100011%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D251234027498
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[6:56] <cassoPi> ccat so how does that work?
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[6:59] <ccat> cassoPi: the service that time-warner, att, dish-network, etc (iirc) all have so you can watch tv on any device at any time
[6:59] <cassoPi> not sure what that is
[6:59] <cassoPi> never heard of it
[7:00] <cassoPi> Do you have a link to some info about it ?
[7:00] <pcmerc> IF your paying for their services
[7:00] <cassoPi> you're*
[7:00] <ccat> cassoPi: twc.com/twctv
[7:00] <pcmerc> you're yes
[7:00] <cassoPi> gratsi
[7:00] <pcmerc> lol
[7:01] <cassoPi> ccat, so each provider, you're saying, would have a service similar to Time Warner's; Such as that you linked me to?
[7:01] <grandpa> i watch time warner cable on my phone
[7:01] <cassoPi> So if you're a paid client then you qualify for this otherwise no?
[7:01] <grandpa> couldnt get it to work on the pi3
[7:01] <pcmerc> yes usually if you pay for TV services you get access to their device services
[7:01] <cassoPi> grandpa, do you have to have a contract?
[7:02] <grandpa> yea
[7:02] <grandpa> well
[7:02] <grandpa> you have to have cable service
[7:02] <cassoPi> I did not know that pcmerc... and I pay for business account with Atlantic.
[7:02] <grandpa> idk if we have a contract
[7:02] <cassoPi> almost $200/month
[7:02] <pcmerc> I do internet only
[7:02] <cassoPi> and they never told me shit
[7:02] <ccat> cassoPi: well not really sure which others have it -- just think others do
[7:02] <pcmerc> no need for tv
[7:02] <pcmerc> kodi, plex, sonarr, sickrage, etc...
[7:02] <cassoPi> I have kids so I need tv
[7:02] <pcmerc> so do I
[7:02] <pcmerc> ;)
[7:02] <pcmerc> run my own news indexers
[7:02] <pcmerc> etc
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[7:03] <cassoPi> They complain even about the KODI and other services not having particular cartoons and yady yah
[7:03] <cassoPi> yeah I run my own servers and other things
[7:03] <pcmerc> everything is available
[7:03] <cassoPi> So I should def. have this service though
[7:03] <ccat> cassoPi: www.att.com/‎ "Upgrade and $450 in Reward Cards! Lock in price for 2 yrs · Stream live on any device "
[7:03] <grandpa> i have cable internet and tv
[7:04] <cassoPi> I have all the bells and whistles
[7:04] <grandpa> i think the tv service might be mandatory for watching live tv from the internet
[7:04] <cassoPi> I forget what the hell Atlantic use to be called
[7:04] <pcmerc> yup
[7:04] <pcmerc> I"m pretty sure it is
[7:04] <cassoPi> They just changed their name a few years ago
[7:04] <grandpa> yar
[7:04] <cassoPi> got bought out
[7:05] <cassoPi> grandpa, yeah I have TV
[7:05] <grandpa> cable companies are playing musical chairs
[7:05] <grandpa> the cable company here has changed like 3 times since i've lived here (not long)
[7:05] <cassoPi> yeah it's hard, I would imagine, to keep in business; they're battling the big beast of the internet now
[7:05] <grandpa> but at least i got a free upgrade from 20mbps to 100mbps :3
[7:05] <cassoPi> for entertainment
[7:06] <cassoPi> that's always a plus :)
[7:06] <cassoPi> I don't even know what mine is
[7:06] <grandpa> they're trying to compete against google who is considering putting fiber in louisville
[7:06] <cassoPi> I forget when I signed up 6 years ago
[7:06] <cassoPi> I know it gets enhanced every now and again, my speed
[7:06] <cassoPi> cause I am such a long term customer
[7:06] <grandpa> www.speedtest.net
[7:06] <grandpa> :)
[7:06] <cassoPi> over 12 years
[7:06] <cassoPi> oh true
[7:07] <cassoPi> but would that still show the speed that they're charging me for
[7:07] <cassoPi> cause usually when I ran those tests it was under the ammount they told me I was getting
[7:07] <cassoPi> not by much but was still under
[7:07] <grandpa> its will show the maximum speed you have
[7:07] <cassoPi> k
[7:07] <grandpa> mine shows up a bit over 100mbps
[7:08] <hstl> Can you advice me good 2,5 A power supply for RPi3?
[7:08] <grandpa> my upstream is a bit over too
[7:08] <grandpa> i bought the official one, hstl
[7:08] <hstl> grandpa, official is 2 A?
[7:09] <grandpa> oh.hmmm maybe i bought the official one for the pi2
[7:09] <grandpa> www.adafruit.com probably has a good one
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[7:12] <grandpa> https://www.adafruit.com/products/1995
[7:14] <grandpa> @ hstl
[7:15] <hstl> grandpa, thank you very much, but why it has chinese connector?
[7:15] <grandpa> looks like a us connector to me
[7:15] <grandpa> maybe they're the same?
[7:16] <hstl> i need european, i am from Russia. Thank you. Will look
[7:17] <grandpa> :/
[7:17] <grandpa> YW :)
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[7:23] <grandpa> i guess its difficult to find a tux plush
[7:24] <grandpa> i did find some tux stress balls though
[7:24] <grandpa> https://www.amazon.com/Sitting-Penguin-Stress-Toy-Pack/dp/B00KVPFGO4/ref=pd_sim_sbs_21_2?ie=UTF8&dpID=41oBMrVyYQL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR160%2C160_&psc=1&refRID=BT2ZS4PEJHM5194KFMVY
[7:24] <grandpa> would make good stocking stuffers ;3
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[7:34] <grandpa> hmm
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[7:39] <grandpa> http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/30/health/the-80s-latchkey-kid-helicopter-parent/
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[8:55] <Cromaglious_> got my pine64 to boot to serial console using debian-mate-jessie-20160501-lenny.raposo-longsleep-pine64-8GB.img
[8:55] <Cromaglious_> not taking debian debian for login
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[9:11] <Cromaglious_> redownloading an updated debian
[9:12] <Cromaglious_> hopefully debian debian will work on it
[9:15] <sd-m> otherwise google grub root pass reset
[9:15] <sd-m> or whatever it was
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[9:40] <Strontium> How sensitive are the GPIO's on the PI3 to ESD? I am trying to debug the SPI/mini uart conflict and was getting uart data out the ports, but its stopped and i cant get any uart data out of pin 8 anymore ???
[9:41] <Strontium> All i have been doing is plugging/unplugging the leads onto pin 8 and the power usb port.
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[9:42] <Strontium> tried looping back pin 8 to 10 and no data on the PI. tried looping my FTDI module and it works fine.
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[10:33] <Sadale> Strontium, which version of RPI do you have?
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[10:37] <Sadale> or better: try running "gpio readall". Ensure that pin 8 and 10 has the alternative function ALT5.
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[11:11] <gordonDrogon> morning.
[11:12] <Habbie> 0
[11:12] <Habbie> -0
[11:12] <Habbie> morning gordonDrogon
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[11:13] <Sadale> evening :3
[11:15] <gordonDrogon> didn't know about any SPI/usart conflict on the Pi... wonder what's going on there then ...
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[11:17] <Sadale> I think they doesn't conflict. :/
[11:17] <Sadale> at least their pinout doesn't confilct IIRC
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[11:24] <gordonDrogon> just reading what Strontium said earlier...
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[11:25] <Sadale> well, I've also read that.
[11:25] <Sadale> I wonder what did he meant by conflict :/
[11:26] <gordonDrogon> too much to wory about on a Sunday :)
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[11:26] <Sadale> I highly doubt that SPI really conflicts with UART
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[11:54] <sd-m> spi and uart share the same fifo so they can conflict
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[12:00] <sd-m> i cleary reammber reading it though could be mistaken to and only is about the "two" spi interfaces
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[12:25] <Strontium> sd-m: the mini uart and SPI1 dont play nice together at the moment
[12:25] <Strontium> I am trying to track down the reason why
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[12:33] <Strontium> Sadale: Its a RPI3 and gpio readall shows 8/10 as ALT5 (TXD/RXD)
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[12:34] <sd-m> i am not sure this could be what part 1.3 of bcm datasheet talks about ?
[12:35] <sd-m> Accesses to the same peripheral will always arrive and return in-order. It is only when
[12:35] <sd-m> switching from one peripheral to another that data can arrive out-of-order. The simplest way
[12:35] <sd-m> to make sure that data is processed in-order is to place a memory barrier
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[12:37] <sd-m> and just under that you can read that uart and spi are shared and have a common interupt ? so you might need to turn interupts on and and off if you where using those
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[12:37] <Strontium> sd-m: https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues/1484#issuecomment-234969739
[12:38] <Strontium> thats the fault. If you enable SPI1, then the RPI3 (Actually any RPI under the correct circumstances) boots very slow, and eventually locks up.
[12:38] <Strontium> I am trying to work out why, because I am designing a hat and i want to use SPI1 and I dont want to have to disable the mini-uart to get it to work.
[12:39] <Strontium> It could well be an out of order access problem, I suspect there is a problem because its using the generic 8250 linux driver but the mini uart isnt a 8250
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[12:40] <Strontium> I made a hacked kernel and forced the SPI1/2 driver to error early during probe (before the SPI1/2 registers are touched) and it still has the same problem.
[12:41] <Strontium> But its super hard to debug so i tried moving the uarts around mini uart on BT and standard one on the pins, but since then i cant get any data out those pins.
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[12:51] <Strontium> I feel like i have dead GPIO inputs on the CPU. With the miniuart on the pins, cutecom shows runaway null bytes on RX. Which according to the data can only happen if the RX pin is held low, OR is not set up for ALT5, which it is....
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[12:54] <sd-m> mmm
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[13:04] <Strontium> I am resigned to buying another one tomorrow and swapping it out. That will tell me for sure.
[13:06] <gordonDrogon> Strontium, it's easy to test gpio inputs if you need to.
[13:07] <gordonDrogon> Strontium, disconnect peripherals. Run: gpio -g mode $pin in ; gpio -g mode $pin up ; gpio -g read $pin
[13:07] <gordonDrogon> should read 1. then:
[13:08] <gordonDrogon> gpio -g mode $pin down ; gpio -g read $pin
[13:08] <gordonDrogon> should read 0.
[13:08] <gordonDrogon> -g tells gpio to use bcm-gpio pin numbers, use -1 to tell it to use physical pin numbers (or neither -g nor -1 to use wiringPi pin numbers - gpio readall has a list)
[13:08] <gordonDrogon> essentially that uses the internal pull up & down resistors to simulate an input.
[13:09] <gordonDrogon> when done: gpio -g mode $pin off then: while true; do echo -n `gpio -g read $pin`; done - then wave your hand over the pin and it might pickup random noise...
[13:10] <gordonDrogon> although its generally not a good idea to leave a pin input mode with nothing connected...
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[13:17] <Zeno`> mode $pin off?
[13:17] <Zeno`> oh I see... nvm
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[13:19] <Sadale> Strontium, right. seems that's a bug
[13:19] <Sadale> Strontium, maybe try setting the GPIO 8 and GPIO10 not to use alternative function.
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[13:20] <Sadale> Strontium, Then try doing I/O with it.
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[13:20] <Sadale> Strontium, BTW, if you have a multimeter, the TXD should output 1 if there is no data. So it should read 2~3.33V if you measure the voltage between TXD and GND
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[13:28] <gordonDrogon> you can manually set modes using: gpio -g mode $pin alt5 (for example)
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[13:31] <Sadale> gordonDrogon, I found the command gpio isn't well-documented :(
[13:31] <Sadale> I don't even know which package does it come from
[13:31] <Sadale> the command gpio wasn't a thing in RPI B+
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[13:32] <Habbie> Sadale, apt install wiringpi
[13:32] <Sadale> ah. It's a wiringpi thing.
[13:32] <Sadale> No wonder gpio readall shows its wiringpi pin assignment.
[13:32] <gordonDrogon> Sadale, the gpio command is part of wiringPi.
[13:32] <Habbie> :)
[13:33] <gordonDrogon> it's only been in the raspbian release for a relatively shor time - the past 6-12 months I thinj.
[13:33] <Sadale> I prefer direct register access over using wiringpi :P
[13:33] <Sadale> (especially when I program in C)
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[13:33] <gordonDrogon> Sadale, everyone to their own.
[13:33] <Sadale> gordonDrogon, right :-)
[13:34] <Sadale> gordonDrogon, well, I tried wiringpi for high frequency stuffs(like 1Mhz) That just doesn't work :(
[13:34] <gordonDrogon> but the next time I push wiringPi it will include the gpio manual page - I forgot to include it in the package last time )-:
[13:34] <Sadale> And even worse, I bitbanged it :P
[13:34] <Zeno`> yay, adc seems to work
[13:34] * ShorTie Thinkz, The gpio command is gordonDrogon's command being the creater of wiringPi
[13:34] <gordonDrogon> wiringPi can bit-bang a gpio pin to about 10Mhz.
[13:34] <Sadale> gordonDrogon, oh cool! You're the maintainer of the package :D
[13:34] <gordonDrogon> however the jitter will be stupidly high - it's just not designed for that.
[13:35] <Sadale> ah!
[13:35] <Sadale> interesting info. :-)
[13:35] <Zeno`> that's the MCP3208... the 3204 should be essentially the same code
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[13:35] <Zeno`> but since it works I think I should have a beer
[13:35] <gordonDrogon> you can not bit-bang anything from a user-land program on a system that's running a multi-user, multi-tasking operating system - plus a dynamic memory system that gets refreshed seemingly randomly.
[13:36] <gordonDrogon> I don't (yet) have a wiringPi driver for the mcp3204/8 - although I was discussing it in email with someone very recently.
[13:36] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: it depends what you're bit banging.
[13:36] <Sadale> gordonDrogon, true. Well, somehow I get it works with direct register access and dedicating a core to my process :P
[13:36] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: sometimes the latency is OK
[13:37] <SpeedEvil> Sadale: I was wondering about that - are you simply booting linux not using one core
[13:37] <Sadale> gordonDrogon, - with some noise, tho. But that's just voice signal anyway. I don't care about that sort of noise :P
[13:37] <gordonDrogon> SpeedEvil, sure - but I get so many emails from people wanting accurate Mhz frequencies )-:
[13:37] <Zeno`> gordonDrogon, I'm using wiringPi... I just copied one of your existing files and tweaked it
[13:37] <SpeedEvil> Sadale: for various values of simply
[13:37] <gordonDrogon> things that let down chips like the mcp3204 are the kernel latency - if you use the kernel SPI driver (which I do)
[13:37] <Sadale> SpeedEvil, I just isolated a core somehow. I don't even know how does it work :P
[13:38] <Sadale> SpeedEvil, what I did was to modify the bootcmd.txt :p
[13:38] <SpeedEvil> Sadale: what do you mean by 'isolated a core' ?
[13:38] <gordonDrogon> there are ways to bit-bang the SPI interface with less latency if you want to write the code to do it.
[13:38] <Sadale> let me check
[13:38] <Zeno`> gordonDrogon, I'll post the code when I test it more so you can have it/adapt it/fix it
[13:38] <SpeedEvil> Sadale: how are you running this core later?
[13:38] <Sadale> SpeedEvil, isolcpus
[13:38] <Zeno`> I don't think it needs any fixing though
[13:38] <SpeedEvil> Sadale: Oh
[13:38] <Zeno`> anyway... getting that beer!
[13:38] <Sadale> SpeedEvil, In cmdline.txt, insert "isolcpus=3". Then run the process with taskset -c 3 ./process
[13:38] <SpeedEvil> Sadale: I'd come across this I think before that was a thing, so it was considerably more messy!
[13:39] <SpeedEvil> That is nice
[13:39] <gordonDrogon> you might still be at the mercy of the memory/cache system though.
[13:39] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: true
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[13:39] <SpeedEvil> you may be able to mitigate that by operating out of local cache
[13:40] <SpeedEvil> Bus contention of course remains an issue
[13:40] <SpeedEvil> Sadale: I should read all backscroll - are you doing anything with it or just playing at teh moment?
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[13:40] <Sadale> SpeedEvil, I am :)
[13:41] <Sadale> SpeedEvil, currently interfacing SIM900A with raspberry pi :>
[13:41] <Sadale> I want to build a automated phone service with that :D
[13:41] <Sadale> SIM900A is a GSM modem.
[13:42] <Sadale> I've got SIM900A speaker -> RPI input working by using a ATTiny as an ADC. Now I want to make RPI voice signal -> SIM900A with the use of op-amp as DAC :)
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[13:43] <SpeedEvil> you mean op-amp and sigma-delta or PWM output?
[13:43] <SpeedEvil> driven by the isolated core?
[13:43] <SpeedEvil> output/input
[13:44] <Sadale> hold on.
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[13:44] <gordonDrogon> wouldn't it have been easier to just use a usb soundcard?
[13:45] <Sadale> SpeedEvil, I meant this: https://www.ikalogic.com/8-bit-digital-to-analog-converter-dac/
[13:45] <Sadale> gordonDrogon, well, I didn't know that it was a thing :(
[13:46] <SpeedEvil> Sadale: if you're isolating a core, you can simply use a filter on one pin, and drive that so as to create a voice signal.
[13:46] <gordonDrogon> I did a little test once using an SPI ADC to sample sound - it worked due to the kernel latency giving me a max. of about 9K samples/sec. and as the SPI DAC ran at the same speed, playback was OK too. crude, but OK.
[13:46] <Sadale> SpeedEvil, ah. cool! :o
[13:46] <SpeedEvil> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta-sigma_modulation
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[13:46] <SpeedEvil> similar with ADC
[13:46] <Sadale> SpeedEvil, well, I've thought of that. But I'm a bit worried about the frequency capability of the filter :(
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[13:47] <SpeedEvil> you add an opamp, and read back the current value
[13:47] <SpeedEvil> (is it higher or lower than the sigma-delta DAC output)
[13:47] <gordonDrogon> Sadale, there are 1000s of them... first google: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sourcingmap-External-Virtual-Audio-Adapter/dp/B004FE6UCE
[13:47] <Sadale> right.
[13:47] <SpeedEvil> Or yes, USB soundcard of course will work
[13:48] <SpeedEvil> The isolated core solution would be a great primer on anyone wanting to do hard-realtime stuff though
[13:48] <Sadale> Apparently I'm doing something dumb :P
[13:48] <Sadale> BTW, the timing of the program is sort of weird :/
[13:49] <Sadale> I used nop to delay the execution of each bit of bitbang.
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[13:49] <cassoPi> g'morning people; and bots!!
[13:49] <gordonDrogon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSCBj6rabIU <-- SPI ADC/DAC audio test...
[13:49] <Sadale> Somehow I couldn't calculate of the number of nop execution correct. I had to resort trial-and-error to get the correct number :(
[13:49] <Sadale> s/correct/correctly/
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[13:50] <Zeno`> gordonDrogon, better than what I achieved on my c64 :D
[13:50] <SpeedEvil> Sadale: modern processors have many levels of fuckery which will cause you problems.
[13:50] <Sadale> Like cache crap?
[13:50] <SpeedEvil> Sadale: speculative execution, the pipeline, various levels of caches make it truly hard to predict
[13:50] <Sadale> gordonDrogon, cool!
[13:51] <Sadale> SpeedEvil, now the problem comes. How do I instruct the processor not to do this fuckery?
[13:51] <Sadale> (is that even possible?)
[13:51] <kerio> nope
[13:51] <SpeedEvil> http://audioberry.com/beginners-guide-raspberry-pi-i2s-audio/ - may be related
[13:51] <Sadale> ;_;
[13:51] <SpeedEvil> Sadale: you don't - you work round it.
[13:52] <Sadale> ah. I've read that i2s thingie. I don't have a device that supports i2s on my hand :(
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[13:52] <SpeedEvil> Sadale: for example, instead of timing stuff with nops, you time your loop by waiting till a cycle counter reaches a certain value
[13:52] <Sadale> SpeedEvil, hmm. good idea. :o
[13:52] <Sadale> How do I access the cycle counter?
[13:52] <SpeedEvil> There will be (I'm assuming) a readable 'cycles since boot' counter somewhere.
[13:52] <Sadale> Just for your info. nanosleep doesn't work. It always delay longer than it should :<
[13:52] <SpeedEvil> In the CPU, not maintained by linux
[13:53] <Sadale> ah!
[13:53] <kerio> :<
[13:53] <SpeedEvil> I don't know if this is nicely wrapped by linux, and if doing a call may not be indeterminate in time
[13:54] <Sadale> Well, it's difficult to debug stuffs in nanoseconds scale :(
[13:54] <Sadale> I don't even have a CRO :(
[13:55] <SpeedEvil> If you get this working, and working well, it can be an example to do stuff that is currently really quite hard.
[13:55] <SpeedEvil> For example, reliable servo control and reading I2C/SPI/... sensors at 400hz reliably without pauses
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[13:56] <SpeedEvil> DMA can do servo control sort-of.
[13:56] <Sadale> SpeedEvil, BTW, the sigma-delta thingie sounds like FM
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[13:56] <kerio> SpeedEvil: i'm currently busywaiting a lot for some data over SPI :(
[13:56] <Sadale> Digitalized FM
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[13:57] <Sadale> SpeedEvil, ah. got it. That's say, I'm on my own right now :P
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[13:57] <SpeedEvil> Sadale: sigma-delta can be very good quality
[13:58] <Sadale> BTW, I've another solved problem which I think that it can be solved with a better solution.
[13:58] <Sadale> It's about UART. How do I allow multiple program to receive signal that is sent to RXD of RPI at the same time?
[13:58] <Sadale> s/program/programs/
[14:00] <Sadale> Currently my dumb solution is to develop my own program that creates a the socket file serial.sock. Then the program sends everything it received from RXD to all clients connected to serial.sock
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[14:00] <Sadale> I'm pretty sure that there's a smarter solution. But I've no idea on how to google that :<
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[14:09] <gordonDrogon> Sadale, one way might be to write one program that deals with the uart, then opens a network socket that lets other programs read from that socket.
[14:10] <Sadale> gordonDrogon, yes, that my current solution :)
[14:10] <Sadale> so, uh, there's no better solution after all? :O
[14:10] <gordonDrogon> so for each incoming network connection, you need a buffer so each connection can read the same data... (or block until more data ready)
[14:11] <gordonDrogon> not sure it would work with a named pipe though.
[14:12] <ali1234> Sadale: instead of using a socket, consider using DBus
[14:12] <Habbie> mosquitto also comes to mind
[14:13] <SpeedEvil> shared RAM
[14:13] <Habbie> 0mq can also do it i bet
[14:13] <Habbie> hmm shared RAM
[14:13] <Sadale> ali1234, oh. cool!
[14:13] <Habbie> that brings me to a better option
[14:13] <Habbie> just write to a rotating file
[14:13] <Sadale> DBus seems a little bit magical for me :P
[14:13] * Sadale has no idea on what dbus exactly is
[14:13] <ali1234> depends what your goal is really
[14:14] <ali1234> DBus was basically invented to solve the problems with doing what you are doing using sockets
[14:14] <Sadale> TIL
[14:14] <ali1234> mqtt was invented for similar purposes but at a much larger scale (think delivering tweets)
[14:14] <Habbie> well mqtt was invented for telemetry really
[14:15] <Habbie> but you could pretty much model twitter on it, yes
[14:15] <ali1234> mqtt is really for large distributed systems
[14:16] <ali1234> DBus is for one computer only
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[14:44] <Zeno`> gordonDrogon, is there a better option for ADC?
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[15:03] <Zeno`> or anyone else, of course
[15:06] <gordonDrogon> it depends on the nature of capture - if you need real time, then a sound-card might work for you - but that's frequency limited - and the sampling rates are restricted too.
[15:07] <Zeno`> well I nice really need audio capture
[15:07] <Zeno`> nor real time :)
[15:07] <Zeno`> just kinda wondering
[15:07] <gordonDrogon> there are other ways to drive the SPI port though - so e.g. there is a package called pigpio which does pretty good real-time capture using some internal hardware on the Pi.
[15:07] <Zeno`> hmm, ok. Making a note of that just for interests sake
[15:08] <gordonDrogon> pigpio essentially bit-bangs the pins, but the timing of the bangs is controlled via the internal PWM and DMA engines.
[15:08] <ali1234> SPI is clocked
[15:08] <Zeno`> all I have to do is measure the voltage from an infrared sensor, so this is all just for interest
[15:09] <ali1234> there is a kernel module that will do SPI on any gpio pins
[15:09] <ali1234> the does not need accurate timing at all
[15:09] <Zeno`> I did an ADC on the C64 to capture audio many, many years ago so it might be interesting to try again
[15:09] <Zeno`> not on a c64 this time of course :D
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[15:09] <gordonDrogon> ali1234, if you need to read bytes off e.g. an ADC at a given rate then you need to fire off the SPI hardware at known intervals. I think pigpio can do this.
[15:10] <ali1234> not with any real level of accuracy
[15:10] <gordonDrogon> the down-side of the kernel driver I use is that it has a high startup latency.
[15:10] <gordonDrogon> I know little about pigpio though.
[15:11] <ali1234> if you are trying to sample at fixed intervals then you need a fifo buffer
[15:11] <ali1234> and you need the sampling hardware to clock itself
[15:11] <ali1234> if you are just monitoring the environment then that type of accuracy is not required at all
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[16:36] <popsch> do I see this correctly that zeromq is not part of raspbian? I need to compile it on my own? I didn't find it with apt-cache
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[16:44] <plugwash> hmm, it looks to me like we have it
[16:44] <plugwash> looks like we have both zeromq and zeromq3
[16:45] <Valduare> what does zeromq do
[16:45] <Habbie> yeah raspbian 8 has zmq 2 and 3
[16:45] <plugwash> assuming you want to build something against it the package names you need are libzmq-dev and libzmq3-dev respesctively.
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[16:47] <popsch> apt-cache zeromq didn't find it. I found it now. However, I would like to use version 4 right away. so I'm currently compiling it. now that's taking a while. compiling just the first three files already takes over 3 min on my rp gen 1 :)
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[16:50] <plugwash> hmm, it seems that sonames don't exactly match up with version numbers
[16:51] <plugwash> it looks like libzmq3-dev is zeromq 4.0.5 in jessie and 4.1.5 in stretch
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[17:20] <kerio> does it make sense to connect a SPI chip select pin to a gpio pin to control it manually instead of relying on linux's weird spidev
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[17:24] <methuzla> how are you currently doing chip select?
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[17:31] <kerio> methuzla: the CS pin that spidev knows about
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[17:32] <kerio> automatically selected when issuing an ioctl(fd, SPI_IOC_MESSAGE(n), transfer_ptr)
[17:32] <methuzla> rings a bell about something i read a while back
[17:33] <methuzla> like adding ability to specify a CS pin to the driver
[17:33] <kerio> the main issue is that it doesn't have a way to keep CS asserted after it's done the transfer
[17:33] <kerio> at least, i haven't found it
[17:33] <kerio> methuzla: yeah that's doable
[17:33] <kerio> but since i'm doing a bunch of separate transfers throughout which CS should be kept asserted
[17:34] <kerio> (even if it's working fine, but)
[17:34] <methuzla> that sounds like a driver issue
[17:34] <kerio> what driver
[17:34] <kerio> :D
[17:34] <kerio> i mean, i guess this *is* the driver
[17:34] <kerio> userland driver
[17:35] <methuzla> or whatever is doing the spi transfer
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[17:35] <Rikairchy> OSMC is awesome
[17:35] <kerio> ooooh nvm
[17:35] <kerio> i can use cs_change on the last transfer
[17:36] <kerio> but then how do i deassert it if i have to
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[17:46] <kerio> how do i tell spidev to deassert CS without making a transfer? :|
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[18:02] <AnonRecluse13> hey guys
[18:03] <AnonRecluse13> i just want to say that the new raspberry pi 3 is wicked
[18:04] <Zeno`> I love it
[18:04] <Zeno`> I'm going to order another one to put under my pillow at night
[18:04] <AnonRecluse13> haha
[18:05] <Zeno`> I'm only half joking lol
[18:05] <AnonRecluse13> im going to order another one to build into a pi top with freebsd on it :)
[18:05] <AnonRecluse13> that sounds sweet to me
[18:05] <AnonRecluse13> already got one with OSMC on it.
[18:05] <Zeno`> what about something more obscure?
[18:06] <AnonRecluse13> but i have had some troubles with kernel bugs and auto wifi off problems with OSMC
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[18:06] <AnonRecluse13> what do you mean?
[18:06] <Zeno`> I dunno really
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[18:06] <Zeno`> RiscOS?
[18:07] <AnonRecluse13> freebsd or the raspberry pi?
[18:07] <Zeno`> is BeOS supported yet?
[18:07] <AnonRecluse13> mmmm, i dunno, it would be dope if OpenBSD was supported
[18:07] <AnonRecluse13> excuse me, im going to have a cigarette
[18:08] <kerio> does the pi have a cpu temp sensor
[18:08] <ali1234> yes
[18:08] <kerio> AnonRecluse13: openbsd is explicitly unsupported
[18:08] <kerio> because honestly, the pi is a mess
[18:09] <AnonRecluse13> mmm, i surprisingly agree haha
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[18:11] <gordonDrogon> kerio, it's workable using another GPIO for SPI CE - I do it on my oven project to read 3 thermocouple inputs.
[18:11] <kerio> gordonDrogon: i know it's workable
[18:11] <gordonDrogon> you just need to manually assert the right CE line, do the transfer then disable it.
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[18:11] <Zeno`> it does what it's advertised to do
[18:11] <kerio> the CS pins are just gpio that are marked as exclusive for the spidev driver
[18:12] <kerio> which is why you can remap them (and only them) however you like
[18:12] <gordonDrogon> yes - and they work with the SoC hardware
[18:12] <kerio> Zeno`: binary blobs all day erry day
[18:12] <kerio> the whole videocore thing is basically a black box
[18:12] <gordonDrogon> I've seen a design that uses one of them to gate a 3 to 8 decoder to drive 8 SPI devices...
[18:12] <kerio> :D
[18:12] <Zeno`> kerio, yeah that's a bit of a bummer
[18:13] <Zeno`> but go talk to broadcom... maybe they'll change their mind
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[18:13] <Zeno`> I doubt it though :(
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[18:14] <Zeno`> the blobs are not *that* bad though
[18:15] <Zeno`> depending on your stance
[18:15] <Zeno`> I can't see the microcode on Intel processors either so *shrug*
[18:16] <Zeno`> the API for them is pretty crappy though
[18:16] <Zeno`> or is that KPI (kernel programming interface?)
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[18:23] <popsch> so I got my rpi to collect data and output it on stdin. I would now like to create a compressed file from that by piping the output into it. however, this doesn't seem to work, because gzip waits for the input to finish; however it's continuous input collection.
[18:24] <popsch> is there an option for gzip or xz to flush the data every X bytes?
[18:25] <popsch> a pity that raspian has an old version of xz, because the newer versions have --flush-timeout
[18:26] <gordonDrogon> not sure, but you could use the split utility to split the input into different files, then compress the files - assumes printable text output though.
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[18:27] <popsch> the compression algorithms currently wait to see the full file and don't compress on the fly.
[18:28] <popsch> at least gzip and xz do
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[18:34] <mfa298> gzip doesn't need to see the whole file. But I think it needs decent enoguh sized blocks of data to work with.
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[18:34] <gordonDrogon> if using split, you'd need another process to watch for the files being written then launch the gzip, etc. when they're done...
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[18:34] <gordonDrogon> or just don't compress :)
[18:35] <mfa298> standard solaris back in the day was "tar -cf - files | gzip" beacuse that tar didn't have built in gzip
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[18:36] <popsch> I only collect little bits of data at odd times (when the ventilator is starting). when the system loses power, I'll lose days of data if it doesn't fill up gzip's block size.
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[18:36] <popsch> so maybe I don't even need to compress it for now
[18:37] <mfa298> for something like that Id probably just look at using syslog and logrotate,
[18:37] <gordonDrogon> write to disk and use fflush() to hopefully make sure it's on disk...
[18:37] <gordonDrogon> or fsync() even.
[18:37] <mfa298> write to a new file each day and gzip previous days
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[18:39] <jweinberg> Hey y'all...I'm trying to update BlueZ on my Pi3 and am hitting some weird snags
[18:39] <jweinberg> I'm running Raspian, and after installing the updated version I can no longer scan for devices
[18:40] <jweinberg> With the version I can get from apt I randomly lose connection
[18:40] <jweinberg> Is BT just terrible on this? Or should I be doing something different
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[18:43] <AnonRecluse13> i did a fresh install of OSMC 3 times because it said no wireless connection
[18:43] <AnonRecluse13> and all 3 times it says connection failed when i KNOW i put in the right password to the network
[18:44] <AnonRecluse13> from what i have read on the OSMC forums, this could be a wlan power saving bug which will be fixed in the next kernel?
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[18:45] <AnonRecluse13> it was great the first time, i even did iwconfig wlan0 up in the OSMC terminal, still it says no wireless connection
[18:46] <AnonRecluse13> i mean, ifconfig wlan0 up*
[18:46] <AnonRecluse13> people have reported this problem after upgrading OSMC too
[18:47] <AnonRecluse13> im sure its not the pi itself, but it may be a bug on the distro, its probably the wrong place to ask
[18:47] <AnonRecluse13> i asked on #OSMC and no luck as of yet
[18:48] <AnonRecluse13> its not the network, that is up and all good
[18:49] <mfa298> AnonRecluse13: AIUI there was a bug with the Pi3 wifi in that the connection would drop out periodically which was due to power saving, but I think thats been fixed in raspbian for ages.
[18:49] <mfa298> that bug didnt stop you connecting to wifi however
[18:50] <AnonRecluse13> mfa298, correct, im not sure what is going on :(
[18:50] <AnonRecluse13> it just happened all of a sudden
[18:50] <AnonRecluse13> even with the lastest disc image on the sd
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[18:51] <mfa298> can you read the password you've entered to actually check its correct. I've had some keyboards that default to odd modes where you don's always get what you type
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[18:52] <AnonRecluse13> yes
[18:52] <AnonRecluse13> i did it on the keyboard as i know it, still, failed to connect
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[18:52] <AnonRecluse13> it says no wireless connection where it used to show wlan0
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[18:53] <AnonRecluse13> i dont want to have to buy a usb wifi adapter and use that when it has built in wifi n 2.5ghz, that would be a bit of a waste in my opinion
[18:54] <mfa298> my osmc pi is an old 1B so has to use a wifi dongle for wifi, but that seems to work ok
[18:55] <AnonRecluse13> mmm, i suppose i could buy an ac and try it out
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[18:55] <AnonRecluse13> considering i just bought a fritzbox 7490
[18:56] <mfa298> might be worth having a look throguh the logs or see if theres some specific osmc support out there.
[18:56] <AnonRecluse13> im on the osmc channel in freenode
[18:56] <AnonRecluse13> hopefully they will be able to help
[18:56] <mfa298> may also be worth sticking raspbian on that pi and check the wifi works with that. At least shows if its hardware or os/socftware
[18:57] <AnonRecluse13> the interesting thing is, when i do ifconfig wlan0
[18:57] <AnonRecluse13> it shows ethernet and ethernet
[18:57] <AnonRecluse13> 1 being the wireless card and 1 being the ethernet cable
[18:58] <AnonRecluse13> thats through the osmc terminal, its based on debian
[18:58] <mfa298> if thats "Link encap:Ethernet" it's probably right I get that with the wifi dongle in my OSMC Pi1
[18:59] <AnonRecluse13> indeed it is
[18:59] <AnonRecluse13> but even after ifconfig wlan0 up and all is good, it still doesnt connect even after i type the password in CORRECTLY
[18:59] <AnonRecluse13> it just says failed to connect to "network"
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[19:01] <AnonRecluse13> its like the bug is happening all over again
[19:01] <mfa298> you probably need to see if theres any useful logs to see if they tell you why
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[19:01] <AnonRecluse13> i will do that tomorrow afternoon
[19:01] <AnonRecluse13> its 3AM at the moment here
[19:01] <mfa298> and as above, test with another distro (raspbian is probably best) to prove the hardware is good
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[19:02] <Zeno`> my wifi router is about 5 meters away from this room and it doesn't reach lol
[19:02] <Zeno`> well it does, but the signal is horrible
[19:02] <Zeno`> I ended up just getting cat-5 to every room in the house
[19:03] <DWKnight> ISP issue router?
[19:03] <mfa298> get a better router / house.
[19:03] <AnonRecluse13> agree haha
[19:03] <Zeno`> nah, I like wired better anyway
[19:03] <AnonRecluse13> wired speeds are still better
[19:03] <DWKnight> if it's an ISP issued router, it's not surprising that its functionality is junk
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[19:03] <Zeno`> it's not ISP issued
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[19:04] <AnonRecluse13> until 1gbps plans come along :)
[19:04] * Zeno` connect to see what it is
[19:04] <DWKnight> near-gbit plans are available around here
[19:04] <AnonRecluse13> right on, thats wicked
[19:04] <Zeno`> netgear DG834G
[19:05] <DWKnight> combo dsl modem plus router?
[19:05] <Zeno`> yes
[19:05] <mfa298> get a better device (/me doesn't like netgear)
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[19:07] <Zeno`> any suggestions?
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[19:18] <kerio> can i control the ACT led on the rpi3
[19:19] <kerio> huh, why was it on mmc0 but blinking on a bunch of stuff
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[19:22] <gordonDrogon> kerio, I think you can use the sysfs interface to control it - it's no-longer on a direct GPIO pin.
[19:22] <kerio> oh, i guess that the bunch of stuff was just writing on mmc0 anyway
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[19:28] <kerio> hm, can i set the default led0 trigger to "none" from the kernel commandline
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[19:34] <Habbie> is a pi1 fast enough for ads-b receiving with dump1090?
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[19:37] <chithead> better ask on ##rtlsdr as they run ads-b receivers on a wide range of hardware
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[19:41] <Habbie> good call
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[19:56] <mfa298> Habbie: worked fine when I tried it a few years ago
[19:57] <Habbie> mfa298, thanks
[19:57] <Habbie> ##rtlsdr also confirmed
[19:57] <Habbie> they laughed at me for asking even
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[19:58] <Zeno`> seems like my preferred resistor calculator is working now
[19:58] <Zeno`> the geometric series idea didn't work out because some values don't seem to "fit"
[19:58] <Zeno`> so I used tables, hehe
[19:59] <mfa298> when I tried it previously there seemed to be a wide variety of different dump1090 forks all with slightly different features
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[20:00] <Zeno`> I could probably make it work without tables but, meh, it's not worth it
[20:02] <Zeno`> I have a feeling they're based on this: https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/c8d98a198d0b39a44e3c8796dca76dfcbcede1a6
[20:02] <Habbie> mfa298, it looks like there are two that matter today
[20:03] <Zeno`> rather than the more straigtforward approach
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[20:44] <bedah> happened to find a real store, which sells raspis. so i bought a raspi3, the 7" touch screen, a case and an PSU some days ago :D
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[20:45] <bedah> it was the office of a small german online raspi retailer, https://www.rasppishop.de/ - in the middle of nowhere in eastern germany
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[20:48] <ThePendulum> behold! for I am thependulum!
[20:48] <ThePendulum> also nice bedah, your first pi?
[20:49] <ThePendulum> germany, will be there tomorrow on our way to Norway and Sweden
[20:49] <ThePendulum> we'll have a stopover in Bremen before continuing to Kiel to grab the cruise ferry
[20:49] <bedah> hi, and no, not my first, but this pluggin arround is not good for my laziness
[20:50] <bedah> bremen? i work there, probably you only see bremerhaven
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[20:50] <ThePendulum> why's that? I'm not sure where exactly the hotel is
[20:50] <bedah> or by plane?
[20:51] <bedah> the ferries all start from bremerhaven, which is a part of bremen, but 100km away from bremen..
[20:51] <ThePendulum> nah by cruise ferry from Kiel, we're only there for a brief stopover so we don't have to drive all the way from Maastricht / Aachen to Kiel in one go and risk missing it
[20:51] <ThePendulum> only in Bremen I mean
[20:51] <bedah> ah i see
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[20:53] <ThePendulum> and indeed, bremerhaven is about 65km from Bremen I see
[20:53] <ThePendulum> but we won't be going there, we'll be driving to hamburg and then kiel
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[20:53] <ThePendulum> anything we must see in Bremen? :p
[20:53] <bedah> if you swing through bremen, maybe visit www.hshb.de - the local hackerspace. if the website says "Geöffnet" there is someone there
[20:54] <bedah> if you want party ask for "das viertel"
[20:54] <ThePendulum> I'm still wondering whether I should join my local hackerspace
[20:54] <ThePendulum> I'm just not really sure what people do there
[20:54] <bedah> hehe
[20:54] <ThePendulum> apparently sit in a circle with their laptops in bremen
[20:54] <bedah> it's always the same: a small group of ppl are doing all the work, and then there are one or two more crazy guys..
[20:55] <ThePendulum> you got an insane power strip to plugged in devices ratio
[20:55] <bedah> old pictures. i do HAM stuff, soldering and other stuff there
[20:56] <gordonDrogon> I'll be visiting somewhere near Bremen in a few weeks time...
[20:56] <ThePendulum> we should do a meet up and, well, idk, stare at pis all day
[20:56] <gordonDrogon> driving from Amsterdam airport)
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[20:57] <ThePendulum> I'll be driving to schiphol the last week of august, picking a couple of people up before going to leeuwarden
[20:57] <ThePendulum> then back a week later
[20:57] <bedah> right now the linux user group is meeting in the hackerspace - there i got lots of usefull hints, like running X without window manager, only for example one browser with a fixed website
[21:00] <gordonDrogon> its going to be a somewhat manic few days for me - drive to bristol (2 hours) fly to schiphol, drive to germany, stay a couple of nights, then come back.
[21:01] <ThePendulum> for work?
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[21:02] <gordonDrogon> no. a sort of family thing.
[21:02] <gordonDrogon> my brother lives there.
[21:02] <ThePendulum> bedah: you guys have a cnc machine?
[21:02] <ThePendulum> that's the one big thing I miss having
[21:02] <ThePendulum> as well as some companion
[21:03] <bedah> ThePendulum, we got a really small proxxon cnc machine, really really tiny, and a bigger one is in construction
[21:04] <bedah> https://wiki.hackerspace-bremen.de/_detail/geraetschaften/img_20150315_210025.jpg
[21:04] <gordonDrogon> ah, google now lets me download all that map area for offline navigation. that's neat as roaming data is expensive...
[21:05] <ThePendulum> did they expand the area you can download?
[21:06] <ThePendulum> although it was a decent area, still not big enough to really rely on
[21:06] <ThePendulum> been using sygic reliably for some time now
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[21:07] <bedah> this cnc machine tought me alot, like "i need a bigger, better one", "i need more time" and "i need better tools"
[21:07] <kerio> :D
[21:08] <ThePendulum> haha
[21:08] <ThePendulum> I'm sitting here with a rough slab of aluminium and a rough slab of acryllic, want to make a lamp out of my LED matrix
[21:08] <kerio> how do you cut a hole in acrylic, btw?
[21:08] <kerio> would a drill work?
[21:09] <kerio> i don't think a cutter will
[21:09] <ThePendulum> should work yeah
[21:09] <ThePendulum> @drill
[21:09] <ThePendulum> we're also just going to saw it
[21:09] <ThePendulum> don't really have anything better at hand
[21:09] <kerio> i need a very fine hole tho
[21:09] <ThePendulum> use a very fine drill ::
[21:09] <kerio> ye
[21:09] <gordonDrogon> laser cutters are good for acrylic ..
[21:10] <ThePendulum> if you have one around
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[21:15] <bedah> if you happen to be tomorrow evening in bremen and you need a laser cut, then visit the "fab lab" near the train station
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[21:24] <JakeSays> so any ideas on how one might disable the FPU on a pi 1?
[21:25] <DrJ> man I sure hope the raspberry 4 has USB 3... that's all
[21:26] <oq> they'll stick usb 3 ports on with a usb 2 bus knowing them
[21:26] <DrJ> :)
[21:27] <DrJ> it is really my only big issue/complaint as of now
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[21:27] <oq> if its a big issue just get a sbc with usb 3
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[21:29] <DrJ> I can live... just saying... by the 4th version we should have something faster than the usb2 bus
[21:30] <JakeSays> does broadcom make a SOC with usb3?
[21:31] <oq> isn't the usb bus a seperate chip?
[21:31] <JakeSays> not that i'm aware of
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[21:31] <oq> oh
[21:31] <Valduare> the bus is on soc
[21:32] <Valduare> it goes out to a chip that is a usb hub + ethernet controller
[21:32] <JakeSays> ah ok
[21:32] <JakeSays> kind of both then
[21:32] <Valduare> so single usb2 bus split to the 4 usb ports + ethernet jack
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[21:34] <JakeSays> eh, this linux vm is starting to annoy me. i need real hardware.
[21:34] <Valduare> why
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[21:35] <JakeSays> well, for one i'm running out of space
[21:35] <oq> what's your current hardware?
[21:36] <JakeSays> i7 18gb ram 512gb ssd
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[21:36] <oq> 18gb??
[21:36] <JakeSays> yes
[21:37] <oq> what's that.. like 2 sticks of 8gb and then a stick of 2gb because why not?
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[21:37] <JakeSays> 3x6gb
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[21:41] <Zeno`> I'm trying to not let it annoy me, but really... pronouncing soul-der as sodda?
[21:41] <Zeno`> how does solder in any way end up being pronounced as sodder?
[21:41] <Chillum> sauldah
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[21:42] <oq> Zeno`: pro-tip, different people from different areas pronounce things differently, you're going to have a really hard life if you're going to get hung up on stuff like that
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[21:42] <JakeSays> accent, hearing problem, learning issue, etc
[21:42] <JakeSays> or maybe your ears are bad
[21:43] <Zeno`> a silent 'l'?
[21:43] <JakeSays> *sigh* i'm just not in the mood to write this module today
[21:48] <JakeSays> you guys ever use sshfs?
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[21:48] <Zeno`> I use it
[21:49] <JakeSays> does it work ok?
[21:49] <Zeno`> for sure
[21:49] <JakeSays> cool. i'm going to give it a try
[21:49] <Habbie> works fine for me yes
[21:57] <JakeSays> i wonder how badly things will go when i disable the fpu after boot
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[22:00] <gordonDrogon> can you actually disable it?
[22:00] <gordonDrogon> (and why?)
[22:02] <JakeSays> gordonDrogon: its actually disabled initially
[22:02] <gordonDrogon> ok
[22:02] <gordonDrogon> well if the kernel has soft-fpu support then maybe that'll take over ..
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[22:02] <JakeSays> but i need to simulate an arm1176jz-s which is w/o an fpu
[22:03] <gordonDrogon> isn't there a qemu model for it?
[22:03] <JakeSays> not exactly
[22:03] <JakeSays> there's arm1176
[22:03] <JakeSays> which appears to actually be arm1176jfz-s
[22:03] <gordonDrogon> I'm not really up on ARM names/architectures...
[22:04] <JakeSays> i may end up having to build either 1) a custom kernel or 2) a custom qemu
[22:04] <JakeSays> the rpi 1 has an arm1176jfz-s
[22:05] <gordonDrogon> right, but the early debian didn't support the FPU, so it was soft-fpu all the way back then.
[22:05] <JakeSays> right, which is what i'm running
[22:05] <JakeSays> but vfp instructions will still run
[22:05] <JakeSays> since the fpu is enabled
[22:06] <gordonDrogon> yes they did - I remember comiling my basic for it - however the abi was 'soft' rather than hard, so it didn't go as fas as it could at that point.
[22:06] <JakeSays> right
[22:07] <gordonDrogon> so can you compile a kernel that simply doesn't enable the fpu, then use the kernel software fpu code?
[22:07] <JakeSays> i've also discovered armel binaries can run just fine on armhf
[22:07] <JakeSays> i could, but i've never built a kernel
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[22:07] <gordonDrogon> I'm, guessing this is some embedded project you have.
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[22:07] <JakeSays> yup
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[22:08] <JakeSays> a handheld point of sale terminal
[22:08] <JakeSays> but its too small to debug with
[22:08] <gordonDrogon> oh well. hope it works... I'm off to watch robot wars on catchup..
[22:08] <JakeSays> robot wars?
[22:09] <oq> JakeSays: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robot_Wars_(TV_series)
[22:10] <JakeSays> ah
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[23:10] <glsmaxx> Is there any "good" browsers for the pi?
[23:10] <oq> links2
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[23:12] <glsmaxx> is that txt based? Was thinking more olong the lines of PaleMoon , IceCat, SeaMonkey
[23:13] <oq> the pi isn't really powerful enough for that
[23:13] <oq> and it doesn't have accelerated x
[23:13] <glsmaxx> Something light, graphical, and can use stylish to dim the bright white some
[23:14] <glsmaxx> I have been running FireFoc for over a year. If that works Ice Cat will
[23:14] <glsmaxx> I watch YouTube Video all the time with regular FireFox.
[23:15] <glsmaxx> Don't take this wrong but I fail to see some of the limitations people put on the Pi2 and 3
[23:16] <Cromaglious_> got my pine64 to boot
[23:16] <glsmaxx> I am going to tryt and Compile IceCat and see what happens
[23:17] <Cromaglious_> I used a hdmi to vga adapter, and the debian 0701 image
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[23:27] <Cromaglious_> I've been using chromium-browser
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[23:31] <Encrypt> glsmaxx, Midori?
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