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IRC Log for 2016-08-01

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[0:34] <JakeSays> Zeno`: heh. sshfs is awesome
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[0:41] <hmmwhatsthisdo> ...I showed one of my friends a render I found of a 1U cluster node that held something like 120 RPi Zero units
[0:41] <hmmwhatsthisdo> ...now he wants to make one
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[0:43] <gruetzkopf> ouch :D
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[0:46] <Cromaglious_> how the hell do you get 120 PRi0's
[0:48] <chithead> I think only buying few of them is difficult. once your order reaches a certain size, you get better treatment
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[1:22] <JakeSays> well dammit looks like my only option is to build a kernel :(
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[1:27] <fahadash> Make sure you build it using some beefy machine. Not PI
[1:27] <fahadash> Unless of course if you are okay with the wait
[1:29] <JakeSays> i could create a pretty decent compile farm
[1:29] <JakeSays> could probably do 2 pine64's, 3 rp3's and 2 rpi2's
[1:29] <JakeSays> but not sure all those would be as fast as my desktop
[1:36] <DWKnight> they definitely wouldn't beat my video processing rig
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[2:22] <[Saint]> Trying my luck covering a few Raspbian-related channels:
[2:23] <[Saint]> Anyone have even the slightest clue what's going on here?
[2:23] <[Saint]> Absolutely clean install of Raspbian Lite with nothing more than an apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade, and then running rpi-update.
[2:23] <[Saint]> http://pastebin.com/3gMYUbTq
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[2:35] <ali1234> what is wrong with that?
[2:35] <[Saint]> It gets weirder:
[2:35] <[Saint]> http://pastebin.com/s94AKJxr
[2:36] <[Saint]> passing rpi-update without the BRANCH=next parameter actually pulls in a newer kernel/firmware stack
[2:36] <[Saint]> ali1234: the 'next' branch is 4.4.6
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[2:38] <[Saint]> bah, sorry - typing.
[2:38] <[Saint]> tl;dr: passing 'BRANCH=next' actually appears to /downgrade/ the kernel.
[2:39] <ali1234> why do you think the next branch is 4.4.6?
[2:39] <[Saint]> because I meant .16, and it was a typo.
[2:40] <[Saint]> The largely inexplicable part is why BRANCH=next is apparently a lesser version than BRANCH=master (equivalent to passing no BRANCH argument).
[2:41] <ali1234> well, that's what the repo contains
[2:42] <ali1234> remember that a lot of the stuff is not upstream
[2:42] <ali1234> it has to be rebased on each kernel release
[2:42] <ali1234> so next might have newer code, but not rebased yet
[2:42] <ali1234> but i don't know. i mean it's largely about the firmware version, not the kernel version
[2:43] <[Saint]> So - what, they just stopped using the next branch, and forgot to tell anyone? Or...I miss the implication. Everything is supposed to hit 'next' first.
[2:44] <ali1234> next can have a newer firmware but an older kernel
[2:44] <[Saint]> Having master more current than next is absolutely inexplicable from my POV.
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[2:45] <[Saint]> At the very least it should be _as current as_ master.
[2:45] <[Saint]> Else it largely defeats the purpose of a public staging branch.
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[2:46] <[Saint]> I appreciate the input, and I understand your line of reasoning, but it doesn't really make it make any sense.
[2:49] <[Saint]> seems like there's no way to pull both the latest kernel and firmware without micromanaging either one or both.
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[2:50] <ali1234> net has an older firmware too
[2:50] <ali1234> http://paste.ubuntu.com/21702882/
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[2:52] <[Saint]> yeah - in what world does that make any sense?
[2:53] <[Saint]> someone seems to have confused the hell out of me by making up their own rules for how they think a staging branch works.
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[2:54] <[Saint]> I really can't think of any other project offhand where that would be acceptable.
[2:55] <ali1234> probably an artifact of the build system
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[2:56] <ali1234> push next to firmware, merge next into master (creating a merge commit), build master, push master to firmware
[2:56] <ali1234> and also the kernel was updated outside of that
[2:57] <[Saint]> I'm not entirely certain of who I need to prod with a "what on Earth are you doing? And is it intentional?" query.
[2:57] <ali1234> "popcornmix"
[2:57] <ali1234> whoever that is
[2:59] <ali1234> next branch looks really out of date except for it has the PXE boot stuff
[3:00] <ali1234> looks like they just dumped it there and "next" doesn't really mean anything
[3:01] <[Saint]> god, is it too hard to have a metapackage for this?
[3:01] <ali1234> there is a metapackage for this
[3:02] <[Saint]> to actually track current firmware and kernel either independantly, or separately?
[3:02] <ali1234> you can't mix kernel and firmware versions
[3:02] <[Saint]> Sure you can.
[3:02] <ali1234> if you like having a broken system, sure
[3:02] <[Saint]> You just can't expect it to work with any certainty.
[3:03] <[Saint]> But that's true of a metric craptonne of things.
[3:03] <ali1234> anyway the package is called raspberrypi-kernel
[3:03] <ali1234> installed by default
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[3:04] <[Saint]> yes, we used to have a 'raspberrypi-firmware-next' metapackage, and a raspberrypi-kernel-next' package from memory.
[3:04] <[Saint]> tracking the release isn't terribly interesting to me in this context.
[3:04] <ali1234> raspberrypi-bootloader is the firmware package
[3:05] <[Saint]> I'm aware.
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[3:11] <[Saint]> Wellp...
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[3:11] <[Saint]> Guess I just trash the raspberrypi-bootloader package in favor of *-nokernel and manage that side of things myself.
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[3:21] <[Saint]> pi@raspberrypi:~ $ sudo su -
[3:21] <[Saint]> No directory, logging in with HOME=/
[3:21] <[Saint]> interesting...
[3:21] <[Saint]> drwx------ 3 root root 4096 Aug 1 00:30 root
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[3:39] <mfa298> he left, but reading some of the scrollback and from some bits on the forum, I tihnk BRANCH=next is being used for the USB/PXE boot stuff on the Pi3
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[3:45] <JakeSays> well that build kinda failed
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[3:53] <[Saint]> not sure what happened there.
[3:53] <mfa298> [Saint]: reading scrollback and the forums I think the BRANCH=next is being used to test the firmware changes for pxe and usb booting
[3:54] <mfa298> so it has stuff related to that but may not have had other changed pushed on
[3:54] <mfa298> in
[3:54] <[Saint]> mfa298: the branch has existed for years
[3:55] <[Saint]> it has only recently fallen behind master in odd locations.
[3:55] <mfa298> yes, but thats what its being used for recently
[3:55] <[Saint]> it certainly used to be used as a staging branch.
[3:55] <[Saint]> you'd think they'd actually tell people.
[3:55] <mfa298> these days its not recommended to use rpi-update at all,
[3:56] <JakeSays> i dont think i've ever used rpi-update
[3:56] <[Saint]> RPF should scrape it from their documentation, then.
[3:56] <mfa298> the stable kernels/ moduels/firmware are all packaged up and updated via apt
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[3:57] <[Saint]> If it's not recommended, someone really screwed up when they added it specifically to the documentation that was fairly recently written.
[3:57] <mfa298> and Id quite expect the firmware to be behind master if they're developing a specific feature. For the PXE/USB stuff you only want to be breaking one thing at a time
[3:57] <JakeSays> lol i built the kernel using two toolchains. no wonder it didnt run
[3:57] <CompanionCube> Pi resurrection complete :D
[3:58] <[Saint]> mfa298: you'd think the sane approach there would be a dedicated branch
[3:58] <mfa298> [Saint]: where have you seen it recommended recently, if its RPF documentation then maybe suggest changes (I think its all on github)
[3:59] <[Saint]> I mean they state in the doc that it isn;t recommended to use, but that seems counterproductive when they then go on to explain its function and how to update the firmware manually.
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[3:59] <[Saint]> Seems kinda middle of the road. It's either supported or it isn't.
[4:01] <mfa298> the bits Ive seen on the forum all suggest its only sensible to use if suggested by the RPF to fix a specific bug (presumably on a case by case basis)
[4:01] <[Saint]> I don't consider the forum to be documentation and I doubt anyone does.
[4:01] <[Saint]> https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/linux/kernel/updating.md however, clearly is.
[4:02] <mfa298> Im assuming the documentation you saw was saying something similar.
[4:02] <[Saint]> No.
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[4:04] <mfa298> well that doesn't say anything about BRANCH=next
[4:04] <[Saint]> Nor does it not.
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[4:05] <[Saint]> The implication there as I parse it is that rpi-update is a supported, albeit not recommended, update mechanism.
[4:05] <mfa298> it just says rpi-upadte and that its not recommended, that would seem to be a suggestion to not use it unless you know what you're doing
[4:05] <[Saint]> I guess you and I parsing different things from this suggests one critical factor we can both agree on.
[4:06] <[Saint]> Ambiguity is dangerous.
[4:06] <oq> wot
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[4:06] <oq> hardly ambiguous, they literally say, "It is highly recommended to update your kernel as part of your regular system updates instead of manually updating it."
[4:07] <JakeSays> i have a couple of pi's running a custom adafruit build, so i can't upgrade the kernel
[4:07] <[Saint]> Sure you can.
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[4:08] <mfa298> the only bit that ight not be totally obvious is that the kernel package will be updated automatically as part of normal system updates
[4:09] <JakeSays> i wish adafruit would do away with the custom kernel
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[4:10] <[Saint]> Is there actually anything they're doing that hasn't been mainlined anyway? I'd be mildly curious as to wht, if so.
[4:10] <JakeSays> its to support their pitft displays.
[4:11] <mfa298> I'm not really sure how you can read "You can also manually update the Rasperry Pi stock kernel, but this is not recommended." as please go ahead and use "rpi-update BRANCH=next" to update your kernel as you seem to have done.
[4:11] <JakeSays> i think they do custom stuff to allow you to see the boot screen on them, etc
[4:11] <JakeSays> they bake fbtft in to it
[4:11] <JakeSays> instead of having it as a module
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[4:17] <[Saint]> I guess the main issue I have is that absolutely nothing makes it clear that the 'next' branch isn't a staging branch in the conventional sense at all, apparently. Either by accident or deliberacy.
[4:18] <[Saint]> I can very easily read that it isn't considered a recommended action, but absolutely nothing makes it clear that attempting to track next can actually downgrade the system and leave you in a horribly broken state.
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[4:18] <[Saint]> It didn't behave this way until fairly recently.
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[4:20] <[Saint]> I guess secondarily, if it's not recommended, then there doesn't appear to be any reason to acknowledge that it exists.
[4:21] <learjet60xr> hey guys, I got the Raspberry 2b and also I have 2 pieces of the 3 one, I am trying to get FreeBSD for Raspberry Pi 2b but the version I found online is not doing it
[4:21] <learjet60xr> do you happen to know anything about it?
[4:22] <[Saint]> "and also I have 2 pieces of the 3 one" - what the!?!
[4:22] <[Saint]> ...that sounds like a story.
[4:23] <[Saint]> I...oh, oh. Right. You mean you have two Raspberry Pi 3s? Not one Raspberry Pi 3 in two pieces? :)
[4:23] <learjet60xr> yeah my bad lol
[4:23] <learjet60xr> poor explanation
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[4:23] <learjet60xr> like elementary school student lol
[4:24] <learjet60xr> hahahahhahahahaa
[4:24] <learjet60xr> it's too late where I am mate
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[4:26] <[Saint]> Whereabouts did you acquite this image?
[4:26] <[Saint]> *acquire
[4:27] <[Saint]> I would expect ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/arm/armv6/ISO-IMAGES/11.0/ to be valid.
[4:27] <learjet60xr> yeah and put it on the sd
[4:27] <learjet60xr> then all I see is a rainbow when I boot
[4:27] <JakeSays> ok lets see if the damn thing runs when built with the proper toolchain
[4:27] <[Saint]> No, sorry. "Where did you get this image from?"
[4:27] <learjet60xr> raspbsd.org
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[4:28] <[Saint]> Aha. I have no idea if that project is actually associated with FreeBSD at all. It seems to be just some random dude's images.
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[4:28] <[Saint]> I would expect the url supplied above to be functional.
[4:29] <[Saint]> 'rainbow screen' can mean a couple of things, though. Most obvious one being an idirect result of an inadequate power supply.
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[4:31] <[Saint]> So before you go about re-imaging the raspberrypi sdcard with a known image, it might be worth considering checking that the power supply and/or cabling is adequate.
[4:31] <JakeSays> ok so this kernel built in about 4 minutes.. doesnt seem right
[4:32] <[Saint]> JakeSays: on external hardware it certainly could be. On the pi itself...yeah, nope. :)
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[4:32] <learjet60xr> okay so should I go with the one you gave me?
[4:32] <JakeSays> yeah def. cross compiling here
[4:32] <learjet60xr> you guys are the best
[4:33] <learjet60xr> and I appreciate your support
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[4:33] <[Saint]> learjet60xr: You probably should, yes, but first it would be advisable to check that the power supply is adequate.
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[4:33] <[Saint]> Like, you're not trying to power this from a USB host on your PC, for instance, are you?
[4:34] <learjet60xr> not really sure what you mean exactly
[4:34] <JakeSays> learjet60xr: how are you powering the pi
[4:34] <[Saint]> "Is the pi getting enough power?"
[4:34] <learjet60xr> :/ I usually plug it on a apple usb charger
[4:34] <learjet60xr> should I use something different?
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[4:35] <JakeSays> if its a pi2/3 you should be using something bigger
[4:35] <[Saint]> Without knowing the specs of the charger that's difficult to say.
[4:35] <learjet60xr> right
[4:35] <[Saint]> Apple makes everything from 600mA to 3A supplies from memory.
[4:35] <learjet60xr> what would you suggest?
[4:35] <JakeSays> i use my samsung chargers, and an old ipad charger
[4:35] <[Saint]> You should tell us the rated supply of the charger you're using.
[4:35] <[Saint]> It will be clearly listed.
[4:36] <learjet60xr> I can't provide that information because I don't really know and honestly I didn't think this would be a big deal but thanks for bringing it up because I guess it does make difference
[4:36] <JakeSays> well, with a magnifying glass its clearly listed
[4:36] <learjet60xr> what are the ratings that we should be talking about?
[4:36] <JakeSays> learjet60xr: look on the charger. you should see something like "output: 5v <some number>a"
[4:36] <learjet60xr> 5v 2a
[4:37] <nerds> that's good
[4:37] <JakeSays> ah that should work then
[4:37] <[Saint]> Then yes, that's perfectly adequate.
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[4:37] <[Saint]> Hmmm.
[4:37] <[Saint]> Well...assuming it's not blatantly lying and is a genuine charger.
[4:37] <[Saint]> Fakes abound.
[4:37] <[Saint]> If you have access to a multimeter that would be ideal.
[4:39] <learjet60xr> i will need your help one more time
[4:39] <learjet60xr> into that ftp link above
[4:39] <learjet60xr> there are several files
[4:39] <learjet60xr> wichone should I choose?
[4:39] <[Saint]> One is the checksum, one is the image, they are names pretty clearly.
[4:40] <[Saint]> You want File:FreeBSD-11.0-ALPHA6-arm-armv6-RPI2-20160701-r302303.img.xz
[4:40] <learjet60xr> for you everything looks clear
[4:40] <learjet60xr> for me it looks like I got to climb mount Olympus in 5 minutes
[4:40] <learjet60xr> lol
[4:41] <[Saint]> Well, one of them is only 1kb :) I think you would've figured it out yourself eventually.
[4:41] <JakeSays> yeah thats the kernel. lol
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[4:41] <[Saint]> No. No it isn't.
[4:42] <[Saint]> It's an external checksum to determine the validity of the downloaded file is desired.
[4:42] <learjet60xr> not really sure how to use the checksum and the main file
[4:42] <learjet60xr> but I don't want to bother you either
[4:42] <[Saint]> You're not.
[4:42] <[Saint]> The checksum is used to determine if the image is intact and unmodified after downloading it.
[4:42] <[Saint]> You can disregard this if you want to.
[4:43] <learjet60xr> also I see rpi 1 a and b and rpi 2 but not rpi 2b or 3
[4:43] <learjet60xr> oh ok
[4:43] <[Saint]> That's correct. A/B doesn't matter, and Rpi2 images encompass Rpi3 as well.
[4:43] <learjet60xr> thank you for explaining that to me
[4:44] <[Saint]> Anything built for the Pi 2 will also run on the Pi 3, there's no need to have dedicated builds for each.
[4:44] <learjet60xr> I guess the 2 version should do it
[4:44] <JakeSays> [Saint]: heh. there was a perl error which is why it built so fast
[4:44] <JakeSays> i wonder if freebsd has a 64bit pi3 version yet
[4:45] <[Saint]> They're in about the same state Ubuntu is.
[4:45] <[Saint]> unofficial 64bit kernel and userland that's pretty much entirely useless to end users.
[4:46] <[Saint]> there's really no (read: extremely little) practical benefit to a 64bit kernel/userland on the Pi 3.
[4:46] <[Saint]> It would be nice to have, but it isn't going to open amazing new realms.
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[4:46] <swift110-phone> hey
[4:47] <JakeSays> i want it for the same reason i wanted a 64bit phone - so i can say "hey my pi is 64bit!"
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[4:48] <ozzzy_> 128-bit is where it's at
[4:48] <[Saint]> JakeSays: if it's any consolation, your phone is almost certainly a mixed 64/32 bit env running in 32bit fallback anyway.
[4:48] <[Saint]> so...yeah.
[4:49] <sir_galahad_ad> OUR bits go to 65
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[4:50] <[Saint]> I can't actually think of any phones that actually do have full 64 bit system images. Though I'm willing to believe they exist.
[4:50] <JakeSays> [Saint]: yeah i dont really care. it sounds cool with 8 64bit cores. i make calls and text my wife and read. thats about it.
[4:51] <[Saint]> Oh. Hmmm. Yu looks like they have a couple of actual 64 bit devices.
[4:52] <JakeSays> i knew 4 min was too good t be true
[4:52] <JakeSays> not sure what you mean by actual 64bit devices.
[4:53] <[Saint]> As in not just 64bit hardware running a 32bit OS.
[4:55] <JakeSays> oh. nah i'm pretty sure mine is full 64bit
[4:56] <[Saint]> I would be very highly surprised if it were. Not impossible, buy in my experience very unlikely.
[4:56] <JakeSays> well it runs 64bit code
[4:57] <cassoPi> hmm
[4:57] <[Saint]> Yes. But that doesn't exclude masses of dependent libraries being 32bit - which is often the case.
[4:57] <learjet60xr> :( well, I don't mean to bother you guys again but this time around, it doesn't even show anything on the screen
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[4:57] <learjet60xr> I am pretty sure am doing something wrong, I just don't know what
[4:58] <[Saint]> Perhaps try telling us what it is exactly that you're doing.
[4:58] <hypermist> hah, i dont know if that was malware or my pi just had a suicide
[4:59] <hypermist> because all of a sudden everything just vanished
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[4:59] <[Saint]> hypermist: smells like fiesystem corruption to me
[4:59] <[Saint]> *filestystem, even
[4:59] <learjet60xr> so after you download the file, do you need to do anything else besides extracting it into the ssd card?
[4:59] <hypermist> its rekt
[4:59] <hypermist> Lol...
[5:00] <[Saint]> learjet60xr: you don't extract it to the sdcard at all.
[5:00] <[Saint]> there's the problem.
[5:00] <learjet60xr> okay
[5:00] <learjet60xr> so what do you do with that file?
[5:01] <[Saint]> You extract the archive (not to the sdcard), and then use a block level tool like dd to write the image file to the sdcard.
[5:01] <learjet60xr> that is what I did
[5:01] <hypermist> yep it just corrupted
[5:01] <hypermist> GOD DAMNAIT [Saint] D;
[5:01] <hypermist> now i have to fix that all back up agaaaiiiin
[5:01] <hypermist> guess i learnt my lesson
[5:02] <hypermist> dont rage power off a pi
[5:02] <[Saint]> hypermist: the more valuable lesson I would think to be "Backups. Online, offline, nearline. Backs backups backups"
[5:03] <[Saint]> learjet60xr: so, as described in https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/installation/installing-images/linux.md ?
[5:03] <learjet60xr> ok so I used the dd command the first place
[5:04] <learjet60xr> the file I downloaded ends in .xz
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[5:04] <[Saint]> As I said above, you must extract it.
[5:04] <learjet60xr> do I dd that file into the sd card or do I have to do something different?
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[5:04] <[Saint]> see above.
[5:04] <learjet60xr> I see
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[5:05] <JakeSays> HOLY crap it booted!
[5:05] <ozzzy_> IT'S ALIVE!!!!
[5:05] <JakeSays> yes!
[5:06] <JakeSays> now to see if the fpu is really disabled
[5:06] <learjet60xr> gatcha
[5:06] <learjet60xr> sorry mate
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[5:06] <JakeSays> LOL it worked! fpu disabled
[5:07] * JakeSays feelin- good
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[5:07] <[Saint]> Why are you wanting to disable hardware float?
[5:08] <JakeSays> to emulate a device w/o an fpu
[5:08] <JakeSays> its the exact same cpu as the pi1 but w/o float
[5:08] <[Saint]> Ahhh.
[5:09] <hypermist> [Saint], luckily it was only lastnight files
[5:10] <hypermist> and i have files so that a luck of the draw
[5:10] <[Saint]> hypermist: yeah, generally speaking it is "safe" to hard power off devices in this fashion, it's just a dice roll as to whether or not you're going to be writing to something critical at the time.
[5:11] <[Saint]> "back in the day (TM)" we used to just do 'sync && sync'; <yank power>
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[5:19] <learjet60xr> can you install freenas on a raspberry pi?
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[5:20] <learjet60xr> btw am still getting the rainbow
[5:20] <learjet60xr> no luck installing freebsd on the pi
[5:20] <JakeSays> man i'm surprised at how easy that build was
[5:23] <AnonRecluse13> learjet60xr, no, the pi is not powerful enough to handle freenas
[5:23] <AnonRecluse13> and even then i would go with NAS4FREE
[5:23] <AnonRecluse13> if it did
[5:23] <JakeSays> well, it could run freenas
[5:23] <JakeSays> as to its practicality..
[5:24] <AnonRecluse13> wouldnt it be shitfully slow?
[5:24] <JakeSays> yup
[5:24] <[Saint]> who wants a USB2 NAS when half of the bus is shared with the network controller anyway?
[5:24] <AnonRecluse13> hahaha
[5:25] <[Saint]> better off plugging a USB thumbdrive into your router and calling it a day if you're not spoiled for choice.
[5:25] <JakeSays> huh. actually thats not a bad idea for a quick & dirty repo backup device
[5:26] <JakeSays> finding a place to backup a 17gb repo is a pita
[5:27] <[Saint]> lots and lots and lots of compiled binaries therein?
[5:27] <JakeSays> its about half pure source and half dependencies
[5:27] <[Saint]> Ah.
[5:28] <JakeSays> well, probably more like 25/75
[5:28] <JakeSays> its the chromium repo
[5:28] <[Saint]> Ohhhhhhh, yeah, you could limit that, like, a lot.
[5:29] <[Saint]> hilariously most of that size comes from abandoned (and now empty) branches.
[5:29] <[Saint]> you could do a checkout with depth -1 or so, for example.
[5:30] <[Saint]> Iceweasel/Firefox is in a similar state.
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[5:30] <[Saint]> Really massive source tree with very little of it actually being aplicable to the current release.
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[5:34] <Sadale> [Saint], perhaps using wifi? :P
[5:35] * Sadale not sure whether the chip handling wifi and bluetooth is the same one as the USB one
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[5:35] <[Saint]> it isn't, and, that's a good point.
[5:36] <Sadale> great :D
[5:36] <[Saint]> but, you'd still be limited to USB2, which, for a NAS is just gross.
[5:36] <Sadale> true.
[5:36] <ozzzy_> yep
[5:36] <[Saint]> Only marginally faster than writing the bits out on paper by hand and then mailing them to yourself using domestic post.
[5:36] * ozzzy_ puts his NAS on a gigabit ethernet and that's barely adequate
[5:36] <Sadale> LOL
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[5:41] <JakeSays> [Saint]: it is --depth 1
[5:41] <JakeSays> and google is pretty good about keeping crap out of the tree
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[5:46] <[Saint]> JakeSays: Hmmm, I see. So I guess you're just checking out the full repo instead of a specific branch then?
[5:46] <JakeSays> well, master
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[5:47] <[Saint]> Interesting. I knew Chromium was large, but...damn.
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[5:47] <JakeSays> yup. its huge
[5:47] <JakeSays> but its like 3 products in one
[5:47] <JakeSays> chromium/chrome/chromecast/chromeos
[5:47] <JakeSays> so 4 i guess
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[5:48] <[Saint]> Chrome is absolutely enormous.
[5:49] <JakeSays> i'm only using the content engine
[5:49] <JakeSays> and its still a 3 hour build
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[5:50] <[Saint]> Not like Chrome was small to begin with, but ever since it started to inherit WebView it jumped pretty dramatically.
[5:50] <JakeSays> it doesnt inherit webview
[5:51] <JakeSays> ah thats the 5th product - android's webview
[5:51] <[Saint]> Yes. Yes it does. WebView will be Chrome supplied going forward.
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[5:51] <JakeSays> no. webview and chrome are both based on the content engine
[5:51] <JakeSays> two separate products
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[5:53] <[Saint]> Are you aware that system supplied WebView will be dropped even if present in Android N and not updated if Chrome is present and that Chrome supplies the WebView instance?
[5:54] <JakeSays> yeah actually chrome doesnt. (at least the chrome install doesnt) - webview is a separate apk that is versioned independently of chrome
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[5:55] <JakeSays> although i suppose they could package webview with chrome if you have chrome installed
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[5:55] <[Saint]> not could, are.
[5:55] <JakeSays> but as it currently stands you can have one w/o the other
[5:55] <[Saint]> http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/07/20/google-explains-chrome-will-become-webview-android-7-0/ - 'cos, sources are easier
[5:56] <[Saint]> needn't take my word for it.
[5:56] <JakeSays> yeah android 7
[5:56] <[Saint]> Yes. Like I said.
[5:56] <JakeSays> and yes, chrome will provide webview, but chrome does not derive from webivew.
[5:56] <JakeSays> nor inherit
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[5:59] <[Saint]> In the scheme as it exists now it's actually kinda weird. Even if WebView is supplied separately it'll just be silently ignored and not updated until such time as you either remove Chrome or switch the WebView instance in the developer settings - but Chrome will always use its own instance.
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[6:30] <hypermist> [Saint], i just yanked out the power supply cord in rage lastnight then went to use it to today worked for about 5 mins then it died
[6:30] <hypermist> xD
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[6:35] <swift110-phone> oh wow
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[8:21] <lkthomas> hey folks, how could auto start GUI application when X launch ?
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[8:27] <[Saint]> .xinitrc
[8:27] <[Saint]> lkthomas: ^
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[8:44] <Drakorra> hi anyone around?
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[9:29] <Hitechcg> no
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[9:43] <kerio> i have some plastic cables touching the ethernet port from the back side
[9:43] <kerio> is that a bad thing?
[9:45] <Lonefish> plastic shouldn't do anything
[9:46] <Lonefish> unless it's a 125Amp cable, then you might get weird stuff with electromagnetic interference, but I highly doubt that would be the case
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[11:21] <grandpa> le yawn
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[11:35] <Armand> http://www.daftmike.com/2016/07/NESPi.html
[11:35] <Armand> grandpa: You need your slippers ?
[11:36] <Voop> what should i do with these http://i.imgur.com/8IFCcHx.jpg
[11:36] <Armand> Send 'em my way. :P
[11:36] <Armand> I've got some scale cars that would make nice bookshelf computers. :)
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[11:40] <kerio> is that a second revision of the pi0
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[11:44] <grandpa> hehe
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[11:46] <Voop> kerio, yeah
[11:46] <Voop> they added a camera connector
[11:46] <grandpa> good morning, armand and voop
[11:46] <Voop> good morning
[11:46] <grandpa> and kerio
[11:46] <grandpa> :)
[11:47] <kerio> does any pi have a usb port capable of gadget mode
[11:47] <Armand> Mornin'
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[11:48] <mfa298> kerio: the zero does, and the A+ can sort of do it I think
[11:49] <kerio> i wonder why they didn't add something like that to the pi3
[11:49] <kerio> it's really useful :c
[11:49] <NedScott> you can do it on the pi 3 if you are feeling lucky
[11:49] <kerio> huh
[11:49] <NedScott> just bypass the onboard USB hub
[11:49] <NedScott> the hub is why you can't use it on Pis with more than one port
[11:49] <kerio> oh i see what you mean
[11:51] <mfa298> the Soc only has a single USB port, so its hidden behind the hub on the B models, the A the Soc USB is connected direct to the external port
[11:52] <kerio> i would've also appreciated a builtin usb-serial adapter on the charging port
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[11:56] <mfa298> on the zero I think you can provide power via either port, there's only data lines on one as theres only a single usb port on the Soc
[11:57] <Voop> yup
[11:58] <Voop> i power my zero through the non-power usb
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[11:58] <Voop> so i only use one
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[12:03] <sandersr> Hi. Is it possible to use vc4 driver with official rpi lcd screen?
[12:04] <kerio> Voop: u little rebel u
[12:08] <sandersr> nvm, just found https://github.com/anholt/linux/issues/8
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[12:15] <TheCubeLord> i wrote a program that encodes a string a ton! here is 1234: R0EyRElaSlFHUTNEQ1lSWkhGUkdLTUpUTU5SR01ZVEVIRlJUQ1pSUUdFWVRN
[12:15] <TheCubeLord> TkRGTU1aREtaQldHUlNUSVlURw==
[12:16] <Vostok> congrats
[12:17] <mfa298> so four chars becomes around 100 ?
[12:21] <Voop> TheCubeLord, do "Hello World!"
[12:21] <Voop> beware of spam filter
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[12:25] <reloafaa> hello
[12:26] <reloafaa> can i use raspberry pi 3 model --will it support virtualbox?? will virtualisation work in it?
[12:27] <chithead> yes, no and yes
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[12:32] <mfa298> not sure it can really do virtualisation in the true sense, but it can do emulation.
[12:32] <mfa298> although not very quickly
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[12:35] <Sadale> I guess that would be very slow.
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[12:40] <BurtyB> mfa298, Looks like it can do it "properly" http://blog.flexvdi.com/2015/03/17/enabling-kvm-virtualization-on-the-raspberry-pi-2/
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[12:47] <reloafaa> mfa298: so virtualbox will work in my raspberry pi 3, arch arm?
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[12:48] <reloafaa> the booting of .iso images?
[12:48] <reloafaa> mfa298:
[12:48] <lastaid> hello there. when i mount 2 partitions from an sd card, one as ro, and the other one as rw, can the rw partition kill my ro partition, and what filesystem should i use for reliability
[12:49] <gordonDrogon> good time of day, Pi Pips!
[12:49] <shauno> reloafaa: virtualbox isn't going to work; and kvm won't let it virtualize a PC, just another arm
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[12:52] <lastaid> gordonDrogon: good day from gmt+2
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[12:52] <gordonDrogon> utc+1 here..
[12:53] <gordonDrogon> although it might as well be gmt...
[12:53] <lastaid> isnt this the same?
[12:53] <lastaid> without the second compensation or something
[12:53] <gordonDrogon> more or less.
[12:55] <lastaid> i have time/date related code. write a calender in java without using external libs. best way stop coding all together
[12:55] <shauno> that's generally accepted to be bad for your sanity
[12:55] <lastaid> * i have time/date lerated code
[12:55] <lastaid> HATE
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[12:55] <lastaid> wow ... autoco ...
[12:57] <gordonDrogon> just read comp.risks for 1000s of stories about bad date/time codes )-:
[12:57] <shauno> imho it's safer to pretend time doesn't exist. it hurts less than the alternative.
[12:58] <lastaid> "well what are you building" - "a clock"
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[13:04] <gordonDrogon> the clock I use in my bakery kitchen is an old acer aspire one running one written in my basic ... :)
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[13:18] <Zeno`> lastaid, it's be easy except for timezones
[13:21] <Zeno`> there are some other very minor nuances, but nothing compared to dealing with the timezone minefield
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[13:25] <Zeno`> I wrote a leap year calculator btw
[13:25] <Zeno`> it's very good!
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[13:25] * Zeno` tries to find it
[13:27] <Zeno`> found it!
[13:28] <Zeno`> https://ideone.com/Ixrz0k
[13:29] <Zeno`> look at that for pure awesomeness
[13:29] <Zeno`> it's not the fastest method in the world...
[13:30] <thykka> what the..
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[13:30] <Zeno`> one day I'll make it with actual cogs
[13:30] <gordonDrogon> you can lasercut gears ..
[13:31] <lastaid> Zeno`: what am i looking at ???
[13:32] <Zeno`> lastaid, it tells you if a given year is a leap year or not
[13:32] <thykka> in which calendar?
[13:32] <Zeno`> i.e. input year, let the cogs/gears spin and out pops the answer
[13:32] <Zeno`> Gregorian
[13:32] <lastaid> apparently gregorian, and it works
[13:33] <Zeno`> of course it works
[13:33] <lastaid> :D
[13:33] <lastaid> but why name it cogs and gears :D
[13:33] <Zeno`> took me a few hours to write lol
[13:33] <Zeno`> but I just wondered, at the time, if it was possible
[13:33] <thykka> what about Oct 14th 1582?
[13:34] <gordonDrogon> trying to simulate a mechanical system...
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[13:34] <Zeno`> gordonDrogon, why not? Had nothing else to do :D
[13:34] <gordonDrogon> I'm not complaining..
[13:34] <Zeno`> hehe
[13:34] <lastaid> i am seeing it now ^^
[13:34] <gordonDrogon> lets see you simulate zellers congruence.. mechanically :-)
[13:35] <thykka> Gregorian Calendar, year 1582; "the year continued as normal until Thursday, October 4. However, the next day became Friday, October 15"
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[13:36] <lastaid> thykka: i'd like to wake up from a hangover when this happens and think "WOOOOW"
[13:37] <thykka> Zeno`, here's your next project: http://dlib.nyu.edu/awdl/isaw/isaw-papers/4/images/figure06.jpg
[13:37] <gordonDrogon> https://unicorn.drogon.net/zeller.rtb
[13:37] <thykka> lastaid, would that be time travel?
[13:37] <Zeno`> gordonDrogon, is that a challenge?
[13:38] <gordonDrogon> not really.
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[13:38] <Zeno`> well, I accept anyway!
[13:38] <Zeno`> sounds like fun
[13:38] <gordonDrogon> but while you're sitting at a shell prompt on a Pi (or other unix box) type: cal 1752 and see what's odd ...
[13:39] <Habbie> i don't immediately see it
[13:39] <gordonDrogon> look at september.
[13:39] <lastaid> :D
[13:39] <lastaid> september
[13:39] <Habbie> oh september
[13:39] <lastaid> wtf
[13:39] <Habbie> lol
[13:39] <lastaid> what happend there?
[13:39] <gordonDrogon> what the famiy friendly ...
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[13:40] <thykka> In the British Empire, it was the only year with 355 days, as 3-13 September were skipped when the Empire adopted the Gregorian calendar.
[13:40] <Zeno`> wtf is going on there?
[13:40] <lastaid> what the fault, yes
[13:40] <Zeno`> oops, sorry for the acronym
[13:40] <grandpa> they had tequila those nights
[13:40] <Zeno`> I won't allow for that in my mechanism
[13:40] <lastaid> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cal_(Unix)
[13:42] <shauno> lol .. http://www.csd.uwo.ca/staff/magi/personal/humour/Computer_Audience/'cal%209%201752'%20explained.html
[13:43] <gordonDrogon> so there's more anomalies for you - the Gregorian calendar may have been around since 1582 but it wasn't really adopted until 1752.
[13:43] <Zeno`> "So in mid-1975, some high-level AT&T officials met with the Pope, and
[13:43] <Zeno`> came to an agreement."
[13:43] <Zeno`> lol
[13:43] <t3chguy> BurtyB: you alive?
[13:44] <gordonDrogon> it's a lot of old nonsense too. Just look up "Computus" for more fun ...
[13:44] <lastaid> i really want this month though. early paycheck and who needs september anyway
[13:45] <shauno> agreed. we need something to balance january's payperiod ..
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[13:47] <PointyPumper> grrr
[13:47] <PointyPumper> i had to register the nickname to get inside here
[13:47] <PointyPumper> didn't like at all
[13:47] <Armand> &?
[13:48] <PointyPumper> does anybody has any idea on why motion on OSMC (raspberry pi 2) is WAY faster than in raspian?
[13:48] <gordonDrogon> you don't have to come here, but if you do, that's the rules...
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[13:48] <PointyPumper> i get 30 fps at 70% cpu use on osmc and 1 fps at 100% cpu use on raspian
[13:48] <PointyPumper> yeah, i comply with the rules, but i don't have to like them :P
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[13:50] <PointyPumper> i have a raspian installed on a raspy2 and i don't want to install an osmc just to use motion at decent fps :(
[13:50] <SpeedEvil> PointyPumper: presumably somehow using the hardware encoder
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[13:50] <PointyPumper> i'm using a ps3eye
[13:50] <PointyPumper> usb
[13:50] <SpeedEvil> Or different configurations
[13:50] <PointyPumper> v4l2
[13:50] <PointyPumper> nothing fancy
[13:50] <PointyPumper> osmc stock with some packages installed
[13:50] <PointyPumper> same as raspian
[13:51] <SpeedEvil> My first step would be to check motion versions and config files
[13:51] <PointyPumper> ok, let's see
[13:51] <pwillard> You imagine raspbian would be as optimized as dedicated OSMC solution?
[13:52] <SpeedEvil> Just to eliminate it
[13:52] <PointyPumper> osmc is media center distribution, nothing to do with motion
[13:52] <niston> switch to 500mbps internet or keep 125mbps ?
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[13:52] <Sadale> PointyPumper, that's probably because of hardware acceleration.
[13:52] <PointyPumper> they both have 3.2.12+git20140228
[13:52] <Sadale> Raspbian probably do it by software.
[13:52] <PointyPumper> motion 3.2.12+git20140228
[13:53] <PointyPumper> i though that the hardware aceleration for cameras was only available for rasperry camera
[13:53] <SpeedEvil> now the config files - compare
[13:53] <PointyPumper> not usb
[13:53] <gordonDrogon> it might be the libraries they're linked against ... that might be the next thing to check.
[13:53] <lastaid> shauno: nono, just more month. iirc there is a concept calender with either 13 or 14 month
[13:53] <PointyPumper> let's see
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[13:54] <Sadale> I remember there is a thing called ocmx something that does hardware encoding/decoding.
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[13:54] <Sadale> nah. that ain't called ocmx. I couldn't remember its name :<
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[13:56] <PointyPumper> ok
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[13:56] <PointyPumper> now they are running virtually the same config
[13:56] <PointyPumper> no change
[13:56] <Sadale> found. gst-omx.
[13:56] <PointyPumper> wait a sec
[13:57] <PointyPumper> there, thanks
[13:57] <PointyPumper> was just a parameter
[13:57] <PointyPumper> minimu_frame_time
[13:58] <PointyPumper> the differece was so big that i discarded a configuratio thing
[13:58] <PointyPumper> thanks for your time
[13:58] <PointyPumper> :B
[13:58] <PointyPumper> still a little more cpu usage, but getting 26 fps
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[14:07] <grandpa> is the ribbon cable for the camera the same thats used for the display?
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[14:17] <Zeno`> ribbon cables are so 80s
[14:17] <Zeno`> especially the rainbow ones
[14:17] <Zeno`> but I love them!
[14:17] <BurtyB> t3chguy, mostly
[14:17] <Zeno`> I even have one that I occasionally wear as a headband
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[14:18] <t3chguy> BurtyB: will the ClusterHAT fit ontop of one of Pimoroni's Pibow Coupes?
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[14:27] <Zardoz> Zeno`: not for just the 80s http://ozzmaker.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/40pinTo26pinRibbonCable2.jpg
[14:27] <Zeno`> I'd wear that on my head for sure
[14:28] <Zardoz> :P
[14:28] <Zardoz> I seen a wrist band
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[14:29] <Zeno`> I like the push the boundaries
[14:29] <Zardoz> I see, belt?
[14:29] <Zeno`> people look at me strangely when I'm in public, but they do that even if I'm not wearing the ribbon cable headband so *shrug*
[14:29] <Zeno`> yeah, belt would be cool!
[14:29] <Zeno`> and socks
[14:29] <Zardoz> :P
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[14:31] <ali1234> grandpa: yes
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[14:45] <grandpa> thanks, ali1234
[14:45] <grandpa> :)
[14:47] <BurtyB> t3chguy, I have't tried but from a quick look other than the spacers I would imagine so
[14:47] <t3chguy> I may have to take advantage of pimoroni's 10% off and buy one
[14:48] <BurtyB> (it would be a few mm above the top of the hdmi so you should still be able to get a usb cable in the HAT)
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[14:50] <BurtyB> :) I'm prob going to order later too :)
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[14:52] <grandpa> https://xkcd.com/1200/
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[15:00] <battery> how can i drop my nick?
[15:00] <grandpa> /msg nickserv help
[15:01] <battery> drop instead of help
[15:01] <AnonRecluse13> i was about to say that haha
[15:01] <grandpa> i figured there were more arguments than that
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[15:05] <battery> nickserv drop battery 8923abc
[15:05] <battery> :(
[15:06] <thykka> huh.. freenode hides accidentally typed passwords, it seems
[15:06] <thykka> <battery> nickserv drop battery *******
[15:06] <thykka> TIL!
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[15:06] <battery> thykka: i did it.
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[15:23] <grandpa> ye scurvy dogs
[15:23] <grandpa> swab the poop deck!
[15:23] <grandpa> batton the hatches!
[15:24] * Zeno` makes dough for pizzas tomorrow
[15:24] <grandpa> ar
[15:24] <Zeno`> grandpa, I'm writing a book
[15:24] <grandpa> oh?
[15:25] <Zeno`> I'll PM you a link to the first chapter of you like
[15:25] <grandpa> well ok
[15:25] <Zeno`> gimme a sec :)
[15:25] <grandpa> k
[15:26] <Zeno`> It's not proofread yet (contains silly errors)
[15:26] <grandpa> hehehe
[15:27] <Zeno`> not spell checked either (I'm using notepad++ or vim to write -- depending on which computer I'm on)
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[15:29] <Zeno`> it's gonna be more popular than harry potter
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[15:43] <grandpa> i bet it will be, you lice-ridden sea-loving mongrel
[15:43] <grandpa> :P
[15:43] <grandpa> hehe crabs
[15:44] <Zeno`> lol
[15:44] <Zeno`> they be spiders!
[15:44] <grandpa> yar!
[15:45] <grandpa> pretty good imho
[15:45] <Zeno`> I'd tell you what's going to happen next but I don't want to ruin the suspense
[15:45] <Zeno`> hehe thanks
[15:45] <grandpa> :)
[15:45] <grandpa> yw
[15:46] <Zeno`> 't'will be a mighty adventure on the high seas
[15:46] <Zeno`> except they don't have a ship anymore
[15:46] <Zeno`> so it'll be on land
[15:46] <grandpa> :D
[15:46] <Zeno`> apart from that it'll be on the high seas
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[15:48] <grandpa> sounds fun
[15:48] <Zeno`> yay!
[15:48] <Zeno`> yar!*
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[15:49] <grandpa> :D
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[15:59] <hypermist> how much packets/internet usage do you need before the pi2 starts dropping packets
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[16:06] <grandpa> ;o
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[16:21] <grandpa> http://www.afterschoolsatan.com/find-a-club/
[16:21] <grandpa> lol
[16:22] <Ascavasaion> grandpa: Idiots.
[16:23] <grandpa> :D
[16:24] <ali1234> i approve of this
[16:24] <grandpa> :)
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[16:25] <t3chguy> Just won a Pi3 :3
[16:25] <grandpa> \o/
[16:25] <grandpa> congrats
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[16:26] <Ascavasaion> t3chguy: Very nice.
[16:26] <greenmaker> hi hi
[16:26] <grandpa> hi
[16:26] <greenmaker> Does anyone use syncthing on a raspberry pi 3?
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[16:26] <t3chguy> Ascavasaion: you should watch the Bilge Tank by Pimoroni
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[16:26] <t3chguy> they have more giveaways to go
[16:26] <Ascavasaion> t3chguy: Even for us lowly individuals stuck at the southern most tip of Africa?
[16:27] <t3chguy> I think they ship pretty much everywhere
[16:27] <t3chguy> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyeyItjCoXo&feature=em-lbcastemail
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[16:27] <t3chguy> https://shop.pimoroni.com/pages/shipping-information
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[16:28] <Ascavasaion> t3chguy: You win the giveaways by getting people to view? :)
[16:28] <Zeno`> candy!
[16:28] * Ascavasaion chuckles
[16:28] <t3chguy> nah
[16:28] <t3chguy> answering questions
[16:28] <Ascavasaion> t3chguy: Was teasing you.
[16:28] <t3chguy> they asked what IC was used in puckjs, first answer gets the prize
[16:28] <Zeno`> where is Australia?
[16:28] <Zeno`> I guess we don't exist :(
[16:29] <Armand> Who is this "Australia" ?
[16:29] <Zeno`> convict colony probably
[16:29] <Armand> Sounds like it..
[16:29] <Ascavasaion> Zeno`: Australia is at the southern and northern most tip of Australia.
[16:29] <t3chguy> xD
[16:29] <Zeno`> everyone here is probably too busy in the convict mines to be into electronics stuff anyway
[16:30] <t3chguy> well that can't be possible
[16:30] <t3chguy> EEVBlog is from down under
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[16:31] <Zeno`> my daily routine: wake up, eat vegemite sandwich, ride kangaroo to the mines, labour for 16 hours, ride kangaroo home, eat vegeminte sandwich, sleep, repeat
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[16:31] <ali1234> why do people insist on using javascript to program microcontrollers?
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[16:31] <Zeno`> ali1234, insanity?
[16:32] <Zeno`> it's pretty come nowadays
[16:32] <Zeno`> common*
[16:32] <BurtyB> to incite rage
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[16:33] <Zeno`> good luck getting javascript to work when you have only 8kb ram
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[16:33] <Zeno`> or 4, or 2
[16:33] <Zeno`> or 1
[16:34] <Zeno`> bbiab... feeding the kangaroo so it's charged and ready to ride to work tomorrow
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[16:38] <greenmaker> Anyone uses syncthing on the raspberry pi here?
[16:39] <Encrypt> Nope
[16:39] <Encrypt> greenmaker, And that seems to be far too heavy for me
[16:40] <Encrypt> If your goal is to sync a few folders of your PC with your RPi, I'd recommand using unison + inotifytools
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[16:43] <Encrypt> recommend*
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[16:49] <Drzacek> Zeno`, you didn't switch to e-kangaroos yet?
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[16:53] <ali1234> puck.js has a magnetometer but no accelerometer
[16:53] <ali1234> that's a bit of a fail since you can't do IMU without both
[16:54] <Chillum> accel/gyro is enough for IMU
[16:54] <ali1234> yeah
[16:54] <ali1234> won't tell you orientation though
[16:54] <Chillum> just relative orientation ya
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[16:54] <Chillum> magnetometers tend to need help from a gyro as they get so much noise
[16:54] <ali1234> yeah
[16:55] <ali1234> what i mean is you can't determine "north" without all three
[16:55] <Strontium> Udate to my uart problem. Yes my RPI3 now has a dead UART both TX/RX on it are dead. I confirmed by buying a new RPI3 today, which works fine.
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[16:55] <Chillum> looking up puck.js so as to know what I am talking about
[16:55] <Strontium> Really wish people making these kinds of boards splashed out on some basic IO pin protection, a few transorbs would go a long way.
[16:55] <ali1234> it doesn't have a gyro either
[16:56] <ali1234> so pretty much all you can do with it is detect when there is a magnet near by
[16:56] <Chillum> can't you detect north with just a magnetometer? assuming there is no interference
[16:56] <ali1234> nope
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[16:57] <Chillum> it shows the direction of a magnetic field on 3 axis, why is that not enough?
[16:57] <ali1234> http://www51.honeywell.com/aero/common/documents/myaerospacecatalog-documents/Defense_Brochures-documents/Magnetic__Literature_Application_notes-documents/AN203_Compass_Heading_Using_Magnetometers.pdf
[16:58] <ali1234> "To determine compass headings using a magnetometer,the device must be level to the earth’s surface"
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[16:58] <SopaXorzTaker> Strontium, give it to me
[16:58] <SopaXorzTaker> I will tear it apare
[16:58] <SopaXorzTaker> *apart
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[16:59] <Strontium> SopaXorzTaker: nice try, I can still use it im only using the Uarts for some kernel debugging.
[16:59] <grandpa> we'll tear your board apart! - pinhead (hellraiser)
[17:00] <ali1234> making a digital compass is a lot harder than it looks. you absolutely just can't slap on a magnetometer :)
[17:00] <ali1234> i know cos i tried it... even with a full IMU it's still really hard to get decent results
[17:01] <SopaXorzTaker> Strontium, I like making BGA keychains
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[17:02] <SopaXorzTaker> Strontium,
[17:02] <SopaXorzTaker> http://imgur.com/a/GdfXd
[17:03] <SopaXorzTaker> I accidentally deleted the last image
[17:03] <SopaXorzTaker> but all the BGA balls were intact
[17:03] <ali1234> also for full orientation you need to know not just the heading but also "up"
[17:04] <Strontium> funny, it seems you have unresolved anger towards electronic circuits. Must be an engineer.
[17:04] <SopaXorzTaker> ali1234, http://imgur.com/a/GdfXd
[17:04] <SopaXorzTaker> this is how you desolder BGA
[17:04] <SopaXorzTaker> Strontium, nope
[17:04] <SopaXorzTaker> I simply torn apart my obsolete tablet
[17:04] <SopaXorzTaker> it was Acer
[17:04] <SopaXorzTaker> I hate Acer
[17:05] <SopaXorzTaker> so, well... this
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[17:05] <Strontium> I can empathise. Never had an Acer product I like or that was reliable.
[17:05] <Zeno`> gordonDrogon, did you get my message asking for help?
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[17:06] <Zeno`> about the spider webs in my flour? !
[17:06] <ali1234> Chillum: also heading alone isn't enough for orientation. imagine you point a camera north... you can rotate it through 360 degrees while keeping it pointing north the whole time. you need an "up" vector as well
[17:06] <ali1234> and the up vector can't be parellel to the magnetic field lines
[17:06] <Chillum> ahh of course
[17:06] <Chillum> I was not visualizing the field
[17:07] <ali1234> i made the same mistake originally and bought a magnetometer
[17:07] <ali1234> then i had to go buy a proper IMU instead when i realised :)
[17:07] <ali1234> luckily they were $2 ebay specials
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[17:12] <Chillum> thanks, I think I understand magnetometers a bit better now
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[17:13] <Zeno`> gordonDrogon, maybe moths?
[17:14] <Zeno`> I'm going to eat the bread anyway. I've eaten insects before and can't see how "moth webs" could hurt me
[17:15] <Zeno`> maybe it'll affect the taste but it's only pizza dough
[17:15] <ali1234> moths don't make webs
[17:15] <oq> Zeno`: you could have an allergic reaction
[17:15] <ali1234> ?!
[17:15] <Ascavasaion> Eating insects is better than being eaten by insects. Unless you are dead, then it does not matter.
[17:15] <Ascavasaion> Moths spin silk.
[17:16] <ali1234> no, they don't
[17:16] <ali1234> caterpillars (or whatever moth larvae are called) yes...
[17:16] <oq> silk moths do
[17:16] <ali1234> the actual adult form?
[17:16] <oq> its the same creature
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[17:18] <Zeno`> oq an allergic reaction from what?
[17:18] <oq> Zeno`: bits of moth
[17:18] <Zeno`> oq I've probably eaten moths before
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[17:18] <Zeno`> I've eaten insects before (I know because I bought them)
[17:18] <ali1234> post a photo of what you are about to eat... i want to see it
[17:19] <Zeno`> ali1234, it looks like normal dough
[17:19] <Zeno`> my along the top side of the flour bag is what looks like webs
[17:19] <ali1234> oh. i thought you were going to eat a moldy loaf of bread with spiderwebs and caterpillars in it
[17:19] <ali1234> lol
[17:19] <Zeno`> s/my/but
[17:19] <ali1234> i'm sure that will be fine. i mean you are going to cook it
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[17:19] <pwillard> I don't object to much food... but I think I draw the line at worms and insects
[17:20] <Zeno`> I'm not allergic to shellfish or insects
[17:20] <Ascavasaion> ali1234: True... you knew what I meant.
[17:20] <Zeno`> lol, ali1234 nah
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[17:20] <pwillard> Meh... flour is allowed to have a certain percentage of mouse droppings in it anyway
[17:21] <Zeno`> pwillard, some insects are lovely to eat
[17:21] <Zeno`> but you have to be careful because you can be allergic to insects (it's often associated with an allergy to shellfish)
[17:22] <ali1234> if it looks like spider webs it is probably spider webs. caterpillars make cocoons
[17:22] <oq> the only insects I eat are the ones they mash up to make that candy coating for sweets
[17:22] <Zeno`> I mean.... if you're allergic to crustaceans you should be aware that insects may cause an allergic reaction as well if that makes sense
[17:22] <Zeno`> ali1234, yes I suspect "cocoons" and they are made of...?
[17:22] <Ascavasaion> Weevils make threads in flour etc.?
[17:22] <ali1234> well, are you allergic to shellfish?
[17:22] <Zeno`> nothing harmal
[17:22] <Ascavasaion> Just saying
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[17:22] <Zeno`> me? No I'm not allergic to anything
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[17:23] <Zeno`> except for javascript
[17:23] <pwillard> My wife cannot eat scallops... (yay more for me)
[17:24] <Armand> My wife won't eat pork or seafood...
[17:24] <Ascavasaion> Jack Sprat's wife could eat Noeline :)
[17:24] <Armand> More for me!!
[17:25] <ali1234> Zeno`: so according to wikipedia the cocoon may also contain caterpilliar hairs which may be "irritating"
[17:25] <SopaXorzTaker> brb
[17:25] <ali1234> but basically it's silk, same as spiderwebs
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[17:27] <Zeno`> ali1234, yeah it'll be fine
[17:27] <Zeno`> ali1234, I'll buy a new bag of flour anyway, but I've eaten rice with weevils in it before so *shrug*
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[17:27] <Zeno`> modern people (including me) are kinda fussy
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[17:28] <Zeno`> 80 years ago this was all probably very common
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[17:28] <Zeno`> and only a few people died
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[17:28] <pwillard> well, we died from a lot of other things 80 years ago
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[17:29] <mfa298> I think there's a train of though that some of the modern alergies and possibly some other health issues are due to us being too clean these days
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[17:29] <pwillard> likely
[17:29] <mfa298> you needed some of that dirt, insects etc to help build up the immunity
[17:30] <Zeno`> I spend a lot of time in papua new guinea in remote villages so I'm sure I've eaten things worse than a few webs :D
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[17:34] <gordonDrogon> Zeno`, hello - sorry been away baking..
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[17:36] <gordonDrogon> and going back to the bakery now... back later.
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[17:49] <DrJ> if you have an ext hard drive mounted to say /Files ... how do you ensure that nothing gets written there if the drive is not mounted (which would cause it to go on the sd card)
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[17:50] <SpeedEvil> cradek: appropriate permissions for one
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[17:59] <lastaid> ... how do i supress those bloody alignment exceptions?
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[17:59] <lastaid> suppress, not fix!
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[18:02] <methuzla> control their means of production, spread misinformation through media, and...oh, wait. what are we suppressing?
[18:02] * IT_Sean suppresses methuzla
[18:02] <IT_Sean> Hey everyone.
[18:02] <lastaid> hello ^^
[18:03] <lastaid> But seriously. i am working on the pi and my qt program is getting alignment exceptions. can i supress them and get overhead when handling arrays or do i need to fix them?
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[18:24] <battery> can i come here tomorrow?
[18:25] <Zeno`> I will allow that, sure
[18:26] <Zeno`> Especially since you asked nicely
[18:26] <battery> Zeno`: thanks anyway Brides is repeater?
[18:26] <battery> bridge
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[18:28] <battery> Zeno`: ?
[18:28] <battery> Bridges == repeater?
[18:30] <mfa298> these days bridges are what you drive a car over
[18:31] <shauno> this might require a little more context. (I'd call a bridge the easiest way to get my bike ove ra river)
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[19:00] <Zeno`> would a speaker be able to be controlled via the GPIO, connecting the GPIO pin the to base, a separate voltage (I dunno... maybe 5-9V) connected to the collector and the emitter connected to ground?
[19:01] <Zeno`> err using an NPN transistor*
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[19:04] <curlyears> heigh hough
[19:04] <Zeno`> hi
[19:04] <curlyears> This Olde Phart has deigned to impose himself on you filk.
[19:05] <curlyears> Please place all accolades in the appropriate container: ( )
[19:05] <gordonDrogon> Zeno`, yes.
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[19:05] <curlyears> gordonDrogon: hey hey hey
[19:05] <gordonDrogon> ho ho ho.
[19:05] <Zeno`> if the speaker was between the separate voltage source and the collector? Is that right?
[19:06] <curlyears> and, off! we go go go
[19:06] <Zeno`> (ignoring whatever resistors I would need for the moment)
[19:06] <gordonDrogon> Zeno`, you can connect a 64Ω speaker directly, but it's very not recommended, however ...
[19:06] <Zeno`> nah I don't want to connect it directly tbh
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[19:06] <curlyears> so where in the name of <nasty words elided> are we going going going?
[19:07] <gordonDrogon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ij_HR_kr_eg
[19:07] <Zeno`> I think I'll try it
[19:07] <gordonDrogon> ^ Zeno`
[19:07] <Zeno`> thanks gordonDrogon!
[19:07] <Zeno`> lol, nice music
[19:08] <gordonDrogon> like I said - not recommended. use a flyback diode at the very least..
[19:08] <gordonDrogon> that's using my softTone library.
[19:08] <gordonDrogon> I never got round to documenting & releasing the capacitive touch library.
[19:08] <Zeno`> very cool
[19:08] <gordonDrogon> mostly because its not very stable.
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[19:09] <Zeno`> the transistor idea is solid in theory at least though?
[19:09] <gordonDrogon> sure - it's how it was done on the Apple II all those years ago...
[19:09] <Zeno`> wow, cool
[19:10] <Zeno`> I've been watching lots of videos and reading lots of books
[19:10] <Zeno`> almost at the end of week #2 of learning electronics heh
[19:10] <Zeno`> so I'm still very much a newbie
[19:10] <gordonDrogon> http://www.downloads.reactivemicro.com/Public/Apple%20II%20Items/Hardware/IIe/Schematic/Apple%20IIe%20Schematic%20-%202.jpg
[19:10] <gordonDrogon> actually, they use a darlington, but... see bottom right of that image.
[19:11] <Zeno`> what's the cap do?
[19:11] <Zeno`> filter?
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[19:11] <gordonDrogon> probably.
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[19:12] <Zeno`> it's almost the same as I am going to make
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[19:12] <Zeno`> a bit more advanced
[19:12] <Zeno`> but the general layout is the same. I have shocked myself
[19:12] <Zeno`> maybe some of this is finally sinking in
[19:13] <Zeno`> not sure why they have 2 transistors but I'll think about that
[19:13] <gordonDrogon> it's a darlington pair.
[19:14] <Zeno`> hmm ok
[19:14] <gordonDrogon> both are inside one package. google darlington transistor.
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[19:14] <Zeno`> just did that :)
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[19:16] <Zeno`> interesting
[19:16] <Zeno`> but I might not use that for my first experiment
[19:16] <gordonDrogon> for most intents & purposes it gives you such a high gain that the output transistor is driven to saturation, so it acts like a good switch.
[19:16] * Zeno` bookmarks some pages
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[19:18] <Zeno`> once again (I seem to say it every day recently), thanks gordonDrogon
[19:20] <gordonDrogon> no worries. share and enjoy ...
[19:20] <IT_Sean> gordonDrogon, You are _not_ a NutriMatics Drinks Dispenser.
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[19:24] <curlyears> IT_Sean: quit disparaging gordonDrogon! If he wants to be a NutriMatics Drink Dispenser that is HIS concern!!!
[19:24] <curlyears> :p
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[19:28] <Zeno`> I like NutriMatics
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[19:29] * IT_Sean thumps curlyears
[19:30] * curlyears doesn't even know what NutriMatics are.
[19:31] <Zeno`> neither do I, but I like them anyway
[19:31] * curlyears slaps IT_Sean around a bit with a very wet salmon
[19:31] <IT_Sean> philistines, the both of you.
[19:32] <Zeno`> actually I'm Sumarian
[19:32] <gordonDrogon> the nutrimatic drinks dispenser will give you something almost, but not quite like ... tea.
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[19:33] <IT_Sean> Nobody here wants a beverage that is almost but not entirely unlike tea, gordonDrogon.
[19:33] <gordonDrogon> brought to you be the sirius cybernetics company. share and enjoy.
[19:33] * IT_Sean shares it with the drain in the floor
[19:33] <gordonDrogon> I have earl grey here ...
[19:33] <IT_Sean> I'd quite like a cup of tea, thank you very much.
[19:34] <mfa298> then again if youre not British you probably cant tell the difference between tea and something that's almost, but not quite like tea
[19:34] * IT_Sean thumps mfa298
[19:34] <curlyears> are you suggesting that the British have an inferior sense of taste, mfa298?
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[19:35] <gordonDrogon> well if you don't like the tea, just throw it in the harbour ...
[19:35] <Zeno`> oh, I'm not British but I *know* they have better taste!
[19:35] <IT_Sean> The opposite, I think. I believe he is inferring that us leftpondians do not know how to make a proper cuppa
[19:35] <Zeno`> probably because I'm a convict
[19:36] <Zeno`> living in a colony *gasp*
[19:36] <mfa298> some places dont seem to understand the concept of a kettle and boiling water.
[19:36] <curlyears> IT_Sean: I guarantee I don't I have no use for the stuff...
[19:37] <TwoNotes> It's all in the water you use...
[19:37] <gordonDrogon> hm. just had a call from a shoppie/cafe I supply. they're out of cake. trouble is, so am I. Out of cake error.
[19:37] <Zeno`> and this is exactly why I don't drink water
[19:37] <oq> I think it's tough for americans because their voltage is so much lower so a kettle takes that much longer to boil
[19:37] <IT_Sean> 404. Cake not Found.
[19:37] <gordonDrogon> not sure I can be bothered to make them cake tonight.
[19:37] <IT_Sean> gordonDrogon, just tell them the cake is a lie.
[19:38] <mfa298> that leaves the unfortunate part of Cake or Death left.
[19:38] <gordonDrogon> they are hippys. they wouldn't understand.
[19:38] <IT_Sean> So, their choises are "or death?"
[19:38] <TwoNotes> Last place I worked, in a new office building, they had to install reverse osmosis filters in the kitchens because the tea drinkers (Brits and Oz mostly) complained the city water was lousy
[19:38] <IT_Sean> *choices
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[19:38] <gordonDrogon> TwoNotes, yea, hard water makes for scummy tea.
[19:39] <IT_Sean> And nobody wants scummy tea
[19:39] <TwoNotes> Same where I live now - FLorida well water is awful due to all the limestone down there. So we got an osmosis thingy in the kitchen
[19:39] <curlyears> oq: assuming they're using an electric tea kettle, which is, honestly, not somehting that a lot of Amurkuns do
[19:40] <gordonDrogon> if it's that bad, go for a while house unit - not just the kitchen.
[19:40] <IT_Sean> that ^
[19:40] <IT_Sean> Your wet appliances (water heater, clothes washer, etc...) will thank you.
[19:40] <gordonDrogon> I know folks here in hard water area have one fitted.
[19:40] <TwoNotes> Whole house has a water softener with charcoal filter, to protect appliances. The osmosis thing is just for drinking purposes
[19:40] <gordonDrogon> I have a 3Kw electric kettle. 13 of our whole British Amps and 230 of our unified europeam volts.
[19:40] * IT_Sean slaps TwoNotes with some hard water
[19:41] <TwoNotes> We boil it on the electric stove top in pot
[19:41] <oq> one day I want to get a kettle that lets me pick the temperature
[19:41] <curlyears> gordonDrogon: and it goes from cold water to boiling in what, 1.5 seconds?
[19:42] <gordonDrogon> curlyears, not sure - it only 1 litre though, so it is quite quick.
[19:42] <IT_Sean> Over here in the Glorious People's Democratic Republic of Ameristan, we have to make due with inferior 110v service.
[19:42] <curlyears> there is nothing "inferior" about either 120 VAC or 240 VAC for residential use
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[19:43] <gordonDrogon> We also have this person: http://www.colinfurze.com/the-jettle.htmlhttp://www.colinfurze.com/the-jettle.html
[19:43] <oq> sure there is
[19:43] <IT_Sean> Yes, of course there is!
[19:43] <oq> we use one so the other is inferior
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[19:43] <gordonDrogon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1x699OfN5I
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[19:44] <TwoNotes> Stove is 240v. It heats a liter pretty quick. Then into the ceramic teapot (with flowers painted on), insert Barry's tea bags, and pop on the Irish tea cozy
[19:44] <curlyears> gordonDrogon: 404 error
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[19:44] <oq> teapot? everyone I know just pours straight from the kettle into the cup
[19:44] <TwoNotes> The fine print says the tea cozy was *designed* in Ireland. It was actually manufactured in China.....
[19:45] <IT_Sean> Damn chinese.
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[19:45] <TwoNotes> It does make a huge difference in keeping the pot hot
[19:45] <oq> TwoNotes: I think apple started that trend with their "designed in california"
[19:46] <IT_Sean> does it make your tea taste of chineseium?
[19:46] <TwoNotes> "Traditional Irish design". It has pictures of chickens on it
[19:46] <Zeno`> TwoNotes, the Chi dynasty invented it
[19:46] <gordonDrogon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1x699OfN5I << curlyears - video ok.
[19:46] <mfa298> tea pot allows you to use good old fashioned tea leaves rather than bags of dust
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[19:47] <TwoNotes> Comem to think of it, the Barry's tea is probably from China as well.
[19:47] <IT_Sean> the bag of dust method does not result in tea. It results in vaguely foot-flavored water
[19:47] <Zeno`> actually Qin
[19:47] <oq> not india?
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[19:47] <TwoNotes> "The guy who chose the tea blend was sitting in England at the time so, ... we get to call it ENglish tea"
[19:47] <gordonDrogon> There are now people in Cornwall - that's the county between lovely sunny Devon where I live and the .. well atlantic ocean who are growing tea.
[19:47] <Zeno`> but guess how qin is pronounced
[19:48] <Encrypt> <curlyears> there is nothing "inferior" about either 120 VAC or 240 VAC for residential use // I've watched a video in which Canadian chefs said induction cookers would work better on 230VAC
[19:48] <Encrypt> And 120VAC was limiting them with that technology
[19:48] <oq> Zeno`: chin?
[19:48] <Zeno`> oq :)
[19:48] * IT_Sean hooks gordonDrogon's kettle up to the 10kV transformer and makes tea much more quickly.
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> my induction hob is rated at 2.2Kw, so will pull 10A at 230v or 20A at 110v ...
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[19:48] <Zeno`> oq, maybe that's where the name of the country comes from?!
[19:49] <gordonDrogon> IT_Sean, best go & learn about power & volts & amps, dude ...
[19:49] <gordonDrogon> V=IR ... P=IV ...
[19:49] <IT_Sean> :po
[19:49] <TwoNotes> Hmm, this tea tastes like it was made with *60 Hz* electricity. Clearly inferior to the 50 Hz variety
[19:49] <IT_Sean> Well, technically, you copuld make tea much more quicky in the burning remains of your house :p
[19:49] <gordonDrogon> I think I'll make a jettle.
[19:49] <Encrypt> I guess the diameter of their copper wires was not "big enough" for induction
[19:49] <Zeno`> In AU I get between 230 and 250V supplied
[19:49] <Encrypt> As poited out by gordonDrogon
[19:50] <Zeno`> (for what is 240V)
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[19:50] <Zeno`> so there is obviously a margin of error allowed
[19:50] <gordonDrogon> it's supposed to be 230V here - in reality nothing changed, they just changed the allowed range appliances should work at, so it works over in yurp where they often have 220v.
[19:50] <Zeno`> (I know this because my UPS shows input voltage)
[19:51] <gordonDrogon> so we used to have 240v +/- something, now it's 230v +/- something more
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[19:51] <Encrypt> gordonDrogon, Before I came, I thought you had 110VAC here :P
[19:51] <Encrypt> Fortunately not
[19:51] <TwoNotes> It was 120v last time I plugged in my meter
[19:52] <Zeno`> *usually* the supply I get is > 240V... most commonly about 245-248
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[19:53] <curlyears> http://www.designnews.com/author.asp?section_id=1386&doc_id=281161&cid=nl.x.dn14.edt.aud.dn.20160801.tst004t
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[19:54] <Zeno`> I don't mess with mains power. It's scary
[19:55] <Zeno`> plus illegal
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[19:55] <Zeno`> (well, unless you're qualified of course)
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[19:56] <Zeno`> But the legality is not what stops me... it's more that it's scary
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[19:57] <Zeno`> something very silly though, that I do not agree with, is cat-5 in AU (Queensland at least)
[19:58] <Zeno`> where only a qualified electrician is allowed to install it
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[19:59] <Zeno`> But it's ok if it's not in the wall
[19:59] <Zeno`> so I just have big long cables everywhere running along the floor lol
[19:59] <Zeno`> put a rug over them and they're fine
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[20:02] <plum> i wonder if anyone's made a Useless Machine with a Raspberry Pi
[20:03] <plum> everything I've seen so far is run by Arduino
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[20:09] <gordonDrogon> wish I had time to build a useless machine.
[20:09] <gordonDrogon> I did build one out of lego though. you don't really need a microcontroller to do it.
[20:10] <gordonDrogon> I fancy making a giant marble machine of some sorts, but time.. space ... energy ...
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[20:11] <plum> do you think it's easily doable for a casual Pi user to make a useless machine?
[20:12] <plum> or is that something that would more likely be just better to use an Arduino to do?
[20:12] <bedah> raspi + display + conways game of life.. would be quite useless
[20:12] <bedah> no..
[20:13] <bedah> raspi + conways game of life, without display!
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[20:13] <bedah> or noise generation, without speakers?
[20:13] <bedah> there are many ways to do useless stuff
[20:14] <ali1234> hmmmmmmm... well the backlight in my V1.0 display finally died
[20:14] <TwoNotes> I have seen designs where they already have an Rpi in the box, but throw in an Arduino just to run the flashing lights. Needless complexity whern the Rpi could easily handle that without breathing hard, and has the GPIO pins
[20:14] <ali1234> seems like the chip is dead
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[20:19] <SpeedEvil> TwoNotes: It's annoyingly more complex at times if you want tight repeatable deadlines on the Pi side.
[20:28] <pwillard> Its not GPIO... its the realtime aspect of the arduino that usually is taken advantage of
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[20:32] <ali1234> "useless machine" don't need any electronics at all
[20:33] <ali1234> all it needs is a toggle switch and a momentary switch
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[20:34] <bedah> so.. raspi3, 7" touch display. i was able to rotate display by 180° - how to rotate the touch functionality?
[20:34] <bedah> running raspbian
[20:35] <SpeedEvil> ali1234: Or a cat
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[20:37] <ali1234> cats are uncooperative, dog would work better
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[20:41] <RoBo_V> motion resp using which video streaming protcol ?
[20:43] <shauno> bedah: are you using display_rotate in config.txt? if so, try using lcd_rotate instead
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[20:43] <bedah> yeah shauno will try that after apt-get upgrade..
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[21:03] <bedah> lcd_rotate works, yes :)
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[21:20] <Zeno`> does anyone know what this song is called: https://youtu.be/8msWPGce5sA?t=1164
[21:21] <Zeno`> it reminds me of an Amiga sound-/pro-tracker mod but I can't for the life of me remember the name of it
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[21:23] <grandpa> its probably a dj khaled beat
[21:23] <grandpa> ;p
[21:24] <Zeno`> really?
[21:24] <grandpa> haha idk.. hes on everything though
[21:24] <Zeno`> lol
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[21:27] <Zeno`> it's on the tip of my brain it just won't emerge!
[21:28] <Zeno`> vdamewood, you come here as well?
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[21:29] <Zeno`> this is a great place to meet old friends heh
[21:29] <markmcb> anyone running volumio? good/bad?
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[21:39] <Zeno`> grandpa!
[21:39] <Zeno`> tell me what the song is! It's stuck in my head now :(
[21:42] <Zeno`> it's not an axel-f song is it?
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[21:46] <mfa298> Zeno`: not sure what it is, but not axel-f
[21:47] <Zeno`> hmm
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[21:49] <mfa298> although in the process I discovered my wifi was playing up, so back to the trusty cisco 802.11a/g AP
[21:50] <bedah> ui.. gqrx is running on my raspi :)
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[21:52] <Zeno`> maybe it's from a game
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[21:53] <vdamewood> Zeno`: Hi. I'm in lots of channels.
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[22:00] <ali1234> Zeno`: the music on that video is a rip off of another far more famous song
[22:00] <ali1234> but i can't remember what it is called
[22:01] <ali1234> i remembered: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjxNnqTcHhg
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[22:01] <Zeno`> thanks!
[22:02] <Zeno`> it's far older than that though... but at least I know now :)
[22:02] <ali1234> 1969
[22:02] <Zeno`> https://youtu.be/8msWPGce5sA?t=1164
[22:02] <Zeno`> very cool
[22:03] <Zeno`> you're a legend
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[22:04] <Zeno`> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfdLh0MHqKw I pasted the wrong thing
[22:04] <Zeno`> heh
[22:04] <Zeno`> dunno where that shortened link came from
[22:04] <Zeno`> genies
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[22:05] <Zeno`> this is great
[22:05] * Zeno` turns the volume up
[22:05] <ali1234> early synth stuff is cool again at the moment
[22:05] <Zeno`> yeah because it's awesome
[22:06] <Zeno`> (seriously)
[22:06] <ali1234> popcorn was considered the cheesiest thing ever in the 80s
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[22:06] <ali1234> and the 90s
[22:06] <Zeno`> yeah, but times they change
[22:06] <ali1234> and mostly forgotten in the 2000s
[22:07] <Zeno`> I'm pretty sure that song was used in a game somewhere though
[22:07] <Zeno`> or at least a demo
[22:07] <ali1234> probably
[22:07] <ali1234> it was used in loads of adverts
[22:07] <Zeno`> maybe a very old c64 demo
[22:07] <ali1234> i think i've seen an amiga demo that used it. no idea which one though
[22:08] <Zeno`> yeah I was thinking an Amiga demo at first as well
[22:09] <shauno> I use popcorn as a ringtone. fantastic earworm to infect a whole room with
[22:09] <ali1234> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cLqfTw58AM
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[22:11] <ali1234> was used in more than one game as well
[22:11] <Zeno`> ali1234, that's pretty cool but it's not the one remember
[22:11] <Zeno`> one I*
[22:11] <ali1234> pengo!
[22:11] <ali1234> i had that game
[22:12] <ali1234> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Mw-XkalHUg
[22:12] <Zeno`> lol, that's it!
[22:12] <Zeno`> I knew I'd heard it in a game
[22:13] <Zeno`> whoa!
[22:13] <Zeno`> video transitions into an awesome version of it
[22:14] <Ascavasaion> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gL403KFwSk
[22:14] <Zeno`> oh wow
[22:14] <Ascavasaion> now there is a game I remember playign.
[22:14] <Zeno`> thanks heaps ali1234
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[22:22] <Zeno`> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_m2zGncgLjw
[22:22] <Zeno`> night all
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[22:24] <Zeno`> btw, the crazy frog version of popcorn is pretty cool :D lol
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[22:48] <Sylph-DS> Hello. Does anybody here have experience with using a RPi3 as a (encrypted) vpn router? Or at least have some idea of how it performs?
[22:49] <ali1234> probably not very well since it doesn't have encryption hardware and relatively poor network bandwidth
[22:49] <ali1234> would probably be okay for one user though
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[22:52] <Sylph-DS> Yeah it would be just me using it. I´m going to be using a semi-public wifi a lot sometime soon and I want to keep my data private. I figured since the RPi3 comes with both wireless and wired networking I could use it as a router in between the wifi and my own network.
[22:52] <Sylph-DS> I guess encryption might be a little much for it
[22:53] <ali1234> it should be okay for one user
[22:54] <ali1234> the pi 3 cpu is pretty fast
[22:55] <Sylph-DS> Doesn´t the CPU on it have crypto instructions specifically for stuff like AES and SHA though? I remember reading something about that.
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[22:55] <Sylph-DS> Let me see if I can find it again
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[22:56] <ali1234> it might do, but there is no guarantee that you will be able to use them
[22:56] <Sylph-DS> That´s fair
[22:57] <Sylph-DS> BCM chips being what they are
[22:57] <Sylph-DS> Not that I´m complaining
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[23:01] <Sylph-DS> Anyway thanks ali1234, I think I´ll get a pi and experiment ;)
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[23:17] <Sylph-DS> ali1234, just in case you were wondering, I googled around a bit and it seems that the crypto instructions probably won´t be supported until there is a supported 64-bit OS
[23:17] <ali1234> okay... and that is probably a long way off
[23:18] <Sylph-DS> I guess
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[23:19] <binaryhermit> I think it's possible to install regular debian arm64 on the rpi3
[23:19] <binaryhermit> that might or might not support the crypto instructions
[23:21] <Sylph-DS> Sounds like a lot of maybes
[23:21] <binaryhermit> fair enough
[23:22] <Sylph-DS> Think I´ll stay away from experimental builds
[23:22] <binaryhermit> if the crypto instructions matter to you it might be worth looking into, though
[23:22] <binaryhermit> but I know what you're saying
[23:23] <Sylph-DS> Thing is it´ll be a piece of equipment I´ll be relying on day-to-day
[23:23] <Sylph-DS> don´t want it to randomly stop working without it being entirely my own fault :p
[23:24] <IT_Sean> If you do manage to break it in an amusing manner, you are obligated to come here and tell us.
[23:24] <Sylph-DS> hahaha
[23:24] <Sylph-DS> well
[23:25] <IT_Sean> Like that guy that put his in the oven. (>_<)
[23:25] <IT_Sean> I think I still have that pic somewhere...
[23:25] <Sylph-DS> I´ve been running a little cloud server on a RPi 2 for a year or so
[23:25] <Sylph-DS> I forgot to watch the disk space on it
[23:25] <Sylph-DS> it filled up the drive completely
[23:25] <IT_Sean> gherp
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[23:26] <Sylph-DS> and that pretty much broke the whole thing
[23:26] <IT_Sean> Not surprised.
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[23:26] <Sylph-DS> it uses end-to-end encryption so I had more or less no way to get my data off
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[23:27] <Sylph-DS> I would have been pretty screwed if I hadn´t kept a backup elsewhere
[23:27] <IT_Sean> Ouch.
[23:27] <IT_Sean> You should ALWAYS have a way to get your data off
[23:28] <Sylph-DS> well there would have been a way probably, but not an easy one
[23:29] <Sylph-DS> That´s the thing with end-to-end encryption I guess
[23:29] <Sylph-DS> I would probably have been able to set up a new server and migrate the data
[23:29] <Sylph-DS> and then connect a client to it
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[23:30] <Sylph-DS> but thankfully I was spared that exercise
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[23:31] <Sylph-DS> Oh also, at some point I managed to install an x86 server update package over top of the ARM installation
[23:31] <Sylph-DS> The perks of having completely cross-platform python update scripts is that they won´t complain about being run on the wrong platform :p
[23:31] <Sylph-DS> needless to say that broke it
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