#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2016-08-04

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

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[0:53] <Valduare> hows it going
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[1:06] <n0vacane> going well thanks
[1:06] <n0vacane> how about yourself mr. Valduare
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[1:15] <grandpa> https://linux.slashdot.org/story/16/08/03/1614223/windows-10-anniversary-update-borks-dual-boot-partitions?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed
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[1:17] * ShorTie Thinkz, windows-10-borks-a-pc
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[1:18] <Berg> that does not sound good for the users
[1:20] <Berg> well I’m glad I don’t use any microsoft ikky software ....ikky is a tech term meaning yukky
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[1:37] <grandpa> berg is what my grandpa calls me
[1:37] <grandpa> ;s
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[1:38] <grandpa> cos my initials are brg
[1:38] <Berg> well your grandpa has good taste
[1:39] <Berg> berg is the bestest name on the planet
[1:39] <Berg> ask me ill confoirm it
[1:39] <Berg> confirm
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[1:40] <Chillum> berg, means city right?
[1:40] <Berg> nope
[1:40] <Berg> i think it means mountain
[1:40] <grandpa> :D
[1:40] <Berg> or village
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[1:41] <Berg> depends where you come from
[1:41] <Chillum> ohh I am thinking burg
[1:41] <grandpa> i killed da rock
[1:41] <Chillum> berg is hill or mountain
[1:41] <Chillum> burg, from borough
[1:41] <grandpa> brandonburg
[1:42] * grandpa is brandon
[1:42] <grandpa> hehehe
[1:42] <Berg> yes language adapts over time
[1:42] <Chillum> German cities on the top of a hill tend to end in "berg"
[1:42] <Chillum> ice-berg ice-hill
[1:42] <Berg> cities foundations normaly start from a village
[1:43] <grandpa> these apartments i live in is called carrollton village
[1:43] <Berg> so we all agree i have the bestest name of all time?
[1:44] <grandpa> sure
[1:44] <grandpa> all hail king berg
[1:44] <grandpa> <_<
[1:44] * Berg takes a bow
[1:44] <Berg> emperor
[1:44] * grandpa subversive
[1:44] <Berg> my name in real live on warzone is emperor berg
[1:44] <grandpa> hehehehe
[1:45] <Berg> so this trivia is trivial
[1:45] <grandpa> is warzone a video game
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[1:45] <Berg> PC game
[1:45] <grandpa> oic
[1:45] <grandpa> the only game i own is minecrack
[1:45] <Berg> is that the sounds a pink makes "oic"
[1:46] <Berg> warezone is free
[1:46] <Berg> you dont need to own it
[1:46] <Berg> www.wz2100.net
[1:46] <grandpa> a pink/
[1:46] <grandpa> ?
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[1:47] <grandpa> oh its for linux \o/
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[1:50] <jmadero> hi all - just got my Pi3 and can pair but cannot connect to my bluetooth devise - get this error: Failed to connect: org.bluez.Error.Failed
[1:51] <Berg> its for linux mac and win
[1:51] <Berg> and some mobile machines
[1:52] <jmadero> is that for me?
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[1:55] <grandpa> jmadero: no
[1:56] <grandpa> my bluetooth headset doesnt work well with my pi3 either
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[1:57] <jmadero> grandpa: gotcha, was hoping to link it to my phone but no biggy
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[2:08] <Berg> can link pi to fone with wifi jmadero
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[2:16] <jmadero> Berg: really? how?
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[2:20] <Berg> jmadero: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=145826
[2:21] <jmadero> thanks Berg I'll take a look
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[2:44] <DrJ> is it faster to have the root fs on sd or a flash drive?
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[2:49] <MustBeTaken> ello,
[2:49] <Valduare> drj do some tests
[2:49] <Valduare> dd a test file of zeros on sd card and again on usb drive
[2:49] <MustBeTaken> anyone know the simplest way to make an image of pi sd card but shrunken down to no blank space?
[2:49] <Valduare> then do a read from those test files with dd as well
[2:50] <DrJ> Valduare, will do
[2:50] <DrJ> my other concern is sd corruption that I've read about
[2:50] <DrJ> I am going to do nightly backups... but would rather not have to deal with that
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[2:51] <Valduare> what are you going to use the pi for
[2:52] <DrJ> really I guess speed isn't that much of an issue for this purpose
[2:52] <Valduare> you can also boot pi off iscsi with berryboot
[2:52] <Valduare> then you just have a few startup files that are stored on the sd card and everything else is over the network
[2:52] <Valduare> and on spinning diskss :)
[2:53] <DrJ> interesting
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[2:56] <MustBeTaken> is there a ubuntu gui app that backs up pi images without white space
[2:56] <MustBeTaken> i feel like im missing something when it comes to baking up my pi
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[2:56] <MustBeTaken> i need to copy a 32 GB sd to a 16 GB sd and it drving me nuts
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[3:02] <DrJ> MustBeTaken, I do my backups with rsync, only consumes what is used on the server/pi
[3:03] <MustBeTaken> thank you
[3:03] <DrJ> I have a server with a zfs array
[3:03] <DrJ> I rsync all my servers to that nightly then snapshot
[3:04] <MustBeTaken> looking at the first walkthrough it looks complicated for a n00b
[3:04] <DrJ> allows me to keep basically indefinate nightly (what appears to be full) backups and I can browse them just like they are full backups
[3:05] <DrJ> to do a simple rsync isn't that hard
[3:05] <ShorTie> try Image_Shinker
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[3:06] <ShorTie> https://github.com/ShorTie8/Image_Shrinker
[3:06] <MustBeTaken> nice
[3:06] <MustBeTaken> u wrote it?
[3:06] <ShorTie> or rpi-clone
[3:06] <ShorTie> ya
[3:06] <DrJ> you looking to do live backups, or are you talking about removing the sd card and imaging that
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[3:07] <MustBeTaken> either or, simplest way to get a shrunken image
[3:07] <MustBeTaken> i can do both
[3:07] <MustBeTaken> have seperate ubuntu and windows machine to take out sd
[3:09] <ShorTie> you have to have some white/blank space, or the system will not boot
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[3:22] <Valduare> eeekkk codeschool.com django course is horrible
[3:24] <Berg> django python web site
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[3:31] <ssfdre38> hey i was just wondering is there a github from raspberry pi that has the wifi drivers in it?
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[3:35] <DrJ> another question
[3:35] <DrJ> I'm having an issue with a pi3 booting up
[3:35] <DrJ> weirdest thing earlier today, I plugged it in and it never booted
[3:35] <DrJ> only solid red light
[3:36] <DrJ> tried unplugging and plugging in
[3:36] <DrJ> nothing
[3:36] <DrJ> eventually left it plugged in and about 2 hours later... it booted
[3:36] <ssfdre38> is your SD Card fully inserted?
[3:38] <ssfdre38> DrJ, is your SD Card fully inserted?
[3:38] <DrJ> yes it is
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[3:38] <DrJ> just double checked, and then took it out an plugged back in
[3:38] <DrJ> still nothing
[3:38] <ssfdre38> what os is installed on your sd card
[3:38] <DrJ> also, the network lights are not coming on
[3:39] <DrJ> testing with another pi, they come on immediatly
[3:39] <DrJ> rasbian
[3:39] <ssfdre38> is your pi pluged into an hdmi screen
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[3:39] <DrJ> nope
[3:39] <DrJ> I don't use any of the pi's with a monitor
[3:40] <DrJ> I can plug it in though
[3:40] <DrJ> to one
[3:40] <ssfdre38> plug into an hdmi screen or tv and see what comes up
[3:40] <DrJ> k
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[3:42] <DrJ> odd
[3:43] <DrJ> no text
[3:43] <ssfdre38_> what
[3:43] <DrJ> just a colerful screen
[3:43] <DrJ> almost looks like the windows logo
[3:43] <ssfdre38_> so that means that you can have a corruped system or sd card
[3:43] <DrJ> green, blue, red, yellow
[3:43] <ssfdre38_> that is the video chip working
[3:44] <DrJ> what is the difference in the system vs sd card you reference?
[3:44] <DrJ> btw, I'm switching out sd card now just to test
[3:45] <ssfdre38_> the SD Card is what your operating system is installed to run your raspberry pi
[3:45] <DrJ> so the system you reference is the sd card
[3:45] <DrJ> corruped system or sd card
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[3:45] <Berg> we need a sd card to tell the pi to boot off a flash drive
[3:45] <ssfdre38_> it can be both
[3:45] <DrJ> fyi: same result with different sd card
[3:46] <Berg> that would be fun
[3:46] <ssfdre38_> Berg well you can have the pi now boot from network or from an HHD or SSD
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[3:47] <Berg> do you need a sd card to initial that? ssfdre38
[3:47] <DrJ> so does this mean my pi is bad?
[3:47] <DrJ> that it is doing it with two different cards
[3:47] <ssfdre38> Berg yes
[3:47] <stiv> ssfdre38, BOOTP protocol or something pi specific?
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[3:48] <ssfdre38> DrJ what pi version do you have is it pi 2 or 3
[3:48] <Berg> i would like a boot system on a card that allows me to run os from usb or network or wqhere ever it would make life simpler
[3:48] <DrJ> 3
[3:48] <DrJ> https://postimg.org/image/5lyqoyfdt/
[3:48] <DrJ> what I am seeing on hdmi
[3:48] <Berg> low power?
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[3:49] <DrJ> using powersupply that came with it
[3:49] <ssfdre38> no that is just the video card working on the raspberry pi
[3:49] <ssfdre38> DrJ is the SD Card clicking into the micro sd card slot
[3:49] <DrJ> pi3 doesn't "click" like the pi2 did
[3:49] <Valduare> looks like pretty colors to me DrJ :)
[3:50] <DrJ> you just push it all the way in until it stops
[3:50] <ssfdre38> yup does it go all the way in
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[3:51] <DrJ> it goes all the way in
[3:51] <DrJ> I can even see the card at the very back of the slot with the case removed
[3:51] <ssfdre38> how did you put raspbian onto your sd card
[3:52] <DrJ> win32diskimager
[3:52] <ssfdre38> that is odd that its not working
[3:52] <DrJ> fyi, again, earlier today it was booted just fine and I pulled the power and powered it back up and this started... it magically decided to boot itself after 1-2 hours
[3:52] <DrJ> in fact, I gave up
[3:53] <DrJ> only to come back 1-2 hours later and be shocked it was responding on the network
[3:53] <DrJ> I'm guessing either the power supply is bad... or the whole pi is bad
[3:54] <DrJ> I don't have another power supply just like that one though
[3:54] <ssfdre38> what is the outputage of your power supply
[3:54] <DrJ> 5v 2.0amp
[3:54] <ssfdre38> you have enough power
[3:55] <DrJ> I have another that is 5v 2500mA
[3:55] <ssfdre38> no that is fine
[3:56] <DrJ> same colorful screen with that ps
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[3:56] <ssfdre38> its not the power supply
[3:56] <Berg> pully power off the rpi3 while running and not correct shut down can corrupt the sd card
[3:57] <DrJ> Berg, again, I've tried multiple sd cards
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[3:57] <Berg> try a fresh installed card?
[3:57] <sir_galahad_ad> o/
[3:58] <DrJ> I did read on a forum post that the pi's have a "trip timer" if something whacky goes on power wise
[3:58] <DrJ> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8226
[3:58] <DrJ> maybe that explains why it worked after a couple hours
[3:59] <DrJ> "Have you unplugged everything then left it for a few hours? The Pi has timer trip fuses which take a while to reset if something funny power wise went on."
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[4:01] <ssfdre38> i never had that happen to me
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[4:09] <ozzzy_> well... the pitop impresses the hell out of me
[4:11] <oq> how so?
[4:11] <ozzzy_> it plays movies over the wifi faster than my netbook... with no pixellation or jitters
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[4:13] <oq> uhuh
[4:13] <oq> isn't that the pi doing that not the pitop?
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[4:14] <ozzzy_> yep... but before I'd have to ssh into the pi
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[4:15] <[Saint]> also probably just means it is a junk netbook. :)
[4:15] <ozzzy_> 7-8 years old
[4:16] <[Saint]> precisely.
[4:16] <[Saint]> computers aren't a fine wine. :)
[4:16] <ssfdre38> Berg, https://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/4upj7y/psa_usb_and_pxe_booting_without_an_sd_card_on_the/ this is how to do it just fine
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[4:18] <Berg> ssfdre38: looki9ng thanks
[4:19] <ssfdre38> it looks like it add a layer of code that will look up the pxe or usb drive and not the sd card
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[4:21] <ssfdre38> hey so does anybody know if there is a github repo of the raspberry pi wifi driver so i can use it to update my raspbian os
[4:21] <oq> "the raspberry pi wifi driver"??
[4:22] <ssfdre38> i saw something on my noobs build about there being a github repo of it
[4:22] <[Saint]> raspberrypi-firmware
[4:23] <ssfdre38> im looking it it and i dont see any refrenace for it
[4:23] <[Saint]> sorry, that was oddly nonspecific.
[4:23] <[Saint]> https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware
[4:24] <pksato> https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/users/drivers/brcm80211
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[4:26] <ssfdre38> yea im tryting to figure out why the wifi settings are not working on my raspbian images that i build from the repos
[4:27] <[Saint]> well, the exact path would be https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/modules/4.4.16-v7%2B/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/brcm80211
[4:27] <DrJ> okay
[4:27] <DrJ> this is nuts
[4:27] <DrJ> 10 minutes later I try again
[4:27] <DrJ> and it works
[4:28] <ssfdre38> well the drivers work but the pi-wifi settings doesnt
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[4:29] <[Saint]> why not just edit the interface by hand? wap_passphrase and wpasupplicant make this pretty easy.
[4:29] <[Saint]> *wpa
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[4:30] <ssfdre38> wel i have it set up to connect to my wifi access point via /etc/network/interfaces file and that works so it something with the dhcpcdui
[4:30] <[Saint]> hum.
[4:31] <ssfdre38> yea its just not finding any network interfaces
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[4:31] <[Saint]> is inet set to manual, or automatic?
[4:31] <[Saint]> counterintuitively you need it set to manual to provide automatic now.
[4:31] <ssfdre38> i had to manually set it
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[4:32] <[Saint]> also - yes, yes this is bonkers.
[4:32] <[Saint]> but it be how it do.
[4:32] <[Saint]> something with dhcpd
[4:33] <ssfdre38> well i used https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruits-raspberry-pi-lesson-3-network-setup/setting-up-wifi-with-occidentalis and it works just fine so im passing that with my forums post for my raspbian images
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[4:35] <[Saint]> assuming this is what I think it is:
[4:35] <[Saint]> "With the new network mods, DHCP is taken care of by a new package called dhcpcd. In order for this to work, the iface lines in /etc/network/interfaces need to be "manual" rather than "dhcp". This is why the file has changed, and why we've backed it up in case you want to go back, in which case you will need to uninstall raspberrypi-net-mods"
[4:35] <[Saint]> I bounced off what sounds like an alarmingly similar issue.
[4:36] <[Saint]> dhcpcd provided counterintuitive behavior.
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[4:40] <ssfdre38> hum
[4:40] <ssfdre38> welp i guess time to rebuild a new raspbian image
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[4:51] <MustBeTaken> :( rpi-clone does not copy to smaller SD :(
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[4:54] <ssfdre38> how small is your sd card
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[4:56] <MustBeTaken> trying to do 32 GB to 16GB
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[4:56] <ssfdre38> how much used space did you use
[4:56] <MustBeTaken> actually, just got new one from git
[4:56] <MustBeTaken> seems to not throw the outside partion error
[4:57] <MustBeTaken> yay
[4:57] <MustBeTaken> thank you
[4:58] <[Saint]> you could also have just slurped it up into a sparse archive preserving attributes and hard/soft links.
[4:58] <[Saint]> that's an option for next time I guess.
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[4:58] <MustBeTaken> first time it threw a "Error: Can't have a partition outside the disk!", i got the .sh directly from get and it seems to be working now
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[4:58] <MustBeTaken> [Saint], u completely lost me
[4:59] <[Saint]> sorry. :)
[4:59] <MustBeTaken> lol its ok im new to linux, actually been dicking around for years but somehow never seems to feel like i actaully know what im doing lmao
[5:00] <[Saint]> a sparse file is basically stripping all the unused freespace out of an image to make it dramatically smaller.
[5:00] <MustBeTaken> ^ that
[5:00] <MustBeTaken> how do i do that
[5:00] <MustBeTaken> i make image with win32 and run shinker?
[5:00] <MustBeTaken> ^ win solution
[5:02] <MustBeTaken> but also need to restore to smaller sd
[5:02] <MustBeTaken> if rpi-clone works though im good
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[5:11] <ssfdre38> it does work but are you using the desktop or term
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[5:15] <MustBeTaken> term
[5:15] <MustBeTaken> ssh into pi
[5:15] <MustBeTaken> run script on pi
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[5:16] <MustBeTaken> to usb port on pi with card reader
[5:16] <MustBeTaken> seems to have worked
[5:16] <MustBeTaken> awesome
[5:16] <MustBeTaken> i fucking love IRC and the people here
[5:16] <MustBeTaken> thank you all
[5:17] <MustBeTaken> absolutely amazing
[5:17] <[Saint]> cough cough
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[5:36] <binaryhermit> I was just about to point out his non-family-friendly language
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[5:39] <binaryhermit> hmm, I think I'm going to migrate my server from a Pi B (non-plus 512 MB model) to a pi3
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[5:45] <binaryhermit> at least eventually
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[6:06] <valeness> Hello, is there a link somewhere toOS images that work on the Raspberry Pi 1 B+?
[6:06] <valeness> *to OS
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[6:07] <oq> valeness: what ones doesn't work for you?
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[6:08] <valeness> 2015-04-06-ubuntu-trusty
[6:09] <ali1234> no version of ubuntu runs on the B+
[6:09] <valeness> Oooohhh
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[6:09] <valeness> I would be fine with anything debian based.
[6:09] <binaryhermit> ubuntu requires ARMv7 or higher on ARM, rpiB+ is ARMv6
[6:09] <ali1234> then use raspbian
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[6:10] <binaryhermit> what (s?)he said
[6:10] <valeness> Ok, cool, thanks guys(girls?) :P
[6:10] <binaryhermit> or preferred gender pronoun if not he or she
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[6:11] <oq> it
[6:12] <binaryhermit> that works too
[6:12] <binaryhermit> though a bit too british-sounding for my style
[6:12] <binaryhermit> not that there's anything inherently wrong with british, the Raspberry Pi is from a british company
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[9:09] <Berg> hello entities
[9:09] <Berg> none gender thingamegigs
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[9:19] <iKarith> Hi.
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[10:25] <Zeno`> gordonDrogon, what specifically is "pinBase" in wiringPi?
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[10:28] <ShorTie> an off set
[10:30] <Zeno`> just whatever one likes?
[10:30] <Zeno`> e.g. I might choose 200?
[10:30] <Zeno`> hi ShorTie btw
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[10:39] <Zeno`> Maybe I should really have asked what it's "purpose" is. For example, given.. mcp3004Setup (100, 0); and v = x = analogRead (100 + chan); then in the src code (of the lib) the first thing it does in myAnalogRead() (of the 3004's myAnalogRead() called by analogRead()) is subtract what I just had to remember to add in the call to analog read (i.e. 100)
[10:39] <Zeno`> so, I guess i'm confused why it's there at all... there must be a reason though
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[10:44] <Zeno`> Ah, I notice ShorTie is even in the header comment haha
[10:45] <Zeno`> and you answered a tangential question about the actual file I was looking at! psychic :-o
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[11:24] <gordonDrogon> Zeno`, Hi...
[11:25] <gordonDrogon> the 'pinBase' is a number which you invent. It has to be >= 64. It represents the base or first pin for a new peripheral. So if you give the mcp3004 a pin base of 100, then the first pin on that device is pin number 100. So analogRead (100) will read the first pin in the device. pin 103 is the 3rd, etc.
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[11:27] <Zeno`> is it to stop conflict with internal numbering?
[11:27] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[11:27] <Zeno`> ah, cool. Makes sense. Thanks
[11:28] <gordonDrogon> so the Pi has pins 0-63 and anything else is >= 64
[11:29] <gordonDrogon> the pi has less read pins than 64 but it's a quick mask/test operation for 64...
[11:31] <Zeno`> yep. I was just about to trawl through the rest of the code to find a hint (which I still might do) but I can delay that for another day now :)
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[11:35] <Zeno`> I did see the >= 64 thing in analogRead() but was still confused. Then I had to cook dinner so got distracted
[11:39] <gordonDrogon> if also means you could have 2 mcp3004's on the SPI bus and have them numbered e.g. 100-103 and 104-107, so you get 8 consecutive channels, etc.
[11:39] <gordonDrogon> back to the bakery for me. I have cakes to make. later...
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[11:41] <Zeno`> yes I see that now and understand :)
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[11:57] * Drzacek wonders, if 100th pin is first in the device, then why 103 is not fourth
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[12:02] <[Saint]> the fact that there's at least three distinct schemes for pin numbering make things hilarious.
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[12:10] <Zeno`> I'm not actually sure the 3004 stuff is correct
[12:10] <Zeno`> it doesn't *seem* to match the datasheet
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[12:11] <Zeno`> the serial protocol that is
[12:13] <Zeno`> it works... I'm just not sure it's being efficient
[12:15] <[Saint]> in what sense?
[12:15] <[Saint]> if efficiency is the goal avoiding serial fullstop may be prudent.
[12:16] <Zeno`> it seems to send an extra 8-bits... I dunno... still experimenting
[12:17] <Zeno`> [Saint], I'm not sure how to avoid SPI if that's the only interface the IC supports
[12:17] <[Saint]> with serial I dont think you can send a partial frame.
[12:17] <Zeno`> nah, only 2 8-bit bytes should need to be sent... and not 3
[12:17] <[Saint]> hum.
[12:17] <Zeno`> well from what I can see anyway
[12:18] <Zeno`> anyway, I'll do some testing once I watch my TV
[12:18] <Zeno`> it just doesn't add up atm
[12:19] <Zeno`> I'm probably missing something obvious
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[12:21] <Zeno`> it does have a "power down" part so maybe that's the extra 8-bit byte but the order still doesn't make sense to me. Oh well :)
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[12:22] <Zeno`> ah, no... I think the comment in the source code is just wrong
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[12:34] <Basilic> hello anybody can send me link for official android on raspberry pi 3?
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[12:35] <kubast2> https://android.googlesource.com/device/pifoundation/rpi3/ afaik
[12:35] <kubast2> empty tree
[12:35] <Basilic> :S
[12:35] <kubast2> you propablly need to build it
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[12:36] <kubast2> https://source.android.com/source/initializing.html
[12:36] <kubast2> I would read it through and check fi there's anything that is rpi 3 specific
[12:37] <Basilic> I'm sure I can't do it
[12:37] <Basilic> :)
[12:37] <kubast2> they are propablly still owrkign on it
[12:38] <kubast2> Basilic, I would wait until https://android.googlesource.com/device/pifoundation/rpi3/ is non-empty
[12:39] <kubast2> you need a device_defconfig etc. + other info
[12:39] <[Saint]> you're never going to get it running anywhere near acceptably.
[12:40] <[Saint]> without help in the form of compatible GPU lib from Broadcom, you'll be on 2D (CPU assisted) acceleration.
[12:40] <Basilic> kubast2, if it's empty until 4 mounth I suppose it's jsute a pub for google
[12:40] <Basilic> not a real intention
[12:40] <[Saint]> This is absolutely unacceptable for anything other than booting Android and going "Oh, look, that's nice".
[12:41] <kubast2> hmm Basilic so you want a navigation for a car
[12:41] <Basilic> yes
[12:41] <kubast2> *from #android
[12:41] <[Saint]> The rpi3 AOSP repo will be filled.
[12:41] <[Saint]> I can't say when, just that it will be.
[12:41] <[Saint]> until then there is no point in proceeding.
[12:42] <Basilic> kubast2, you have any subjection?
[12:42] <[Saint]> unless you're confident that you'll be happy with a solution that runs like a bag of crap.
[12:42] <kubast2> Basilic, idk perhaps install navit or something to kodi
[12:42] <Basilic> I will test navit on my desktop
[12:42] <[Saint]> buying an actual Garmin GPS would be cheaper.
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[12:42] <[Saint]> lol
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[12:43] <[Saint]> like ~$50
[12:43] <Basilic> [Saint], it's cheaper, but I need replace my old integrated GPS
[12:43] <kubast2> [Saint], how well does maps.google.com work on rpi3[a.k.a is it smooth] ?
[12:43] <[Saint]> No.
[12:43] <kubast2> then you are better of buying an actual gps
[12:44] <[Saint]> Nothing in a full browser is ever going to be smooth on a raspi I wouldn't think.
[12:44] <Basilic> the curent option it's to replace the actual by a tablet
[12:44] <Basilic> I seems raspberry was better option... maybe not
[12:44] <[Saint]> that's clearly the better and more widely supported option.
[12:44] <[Saint]> re: android tablet
[12:44] <Armand> Tablet + mobile wifi
[12:44] <[Saint]> why would you need to add wireless to a tablet?
[12:44] <kubast2> Armand, or offline maps
[12:44] <Basilic> the actual problem it's the GPS signal
[12:45] <kubast2> Basilic, bluetooth gps
[12:45] <Basilic> it's really poor
[12:45] <Basilic> yes I have order one to test
[12:45] <Basilic> I test the 2 option
[12:45] <[Saint]> Cram a Nexus 7 in there. Don't cheap out on the tablet.
[12:45] <Basilic> I have a tablette, and a raspberry pi 3 and I receive the 7" screen touch
[12:45] <[Saint]> Cheap tablets are good for nothing except being security holes.
[12:45] <[Saint]> treat yourself.
[12:46] <Armand> [Saint]: That's not what you said about those viagra I sent you...
[12:46] * Armand runs away!
[12:46] <[Saint]> mas as well future proof your install with hardware that will actually see readily available updates for the forseable future.
[12:46] <[Saint]> ie. not generic cheap craplets.
[12:46] <[Saint]> *may as
[12:47] <[Saint]> Decent and widely supported tablets are cheap enough now that it would virtually be a sin not to.
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[12:48] <[Saint]> nexus 7 is just begging to be stuffed in a dashboard.
[12:48] <[Saint]> you can even make them detachable easily and add wireless charging.
[12:48] <Armand> I've got an N7 awaiting repairs.. Maybe I should actually dig it out of storage. :P
[12:48] <[Saint]> just magnetic lock it to the dash and take it with you when you're in a sketchy area.
[12:48] <[Saint]> have a cheap wireless charger sitting in the dash behind it.
[12:48] <[Saint]> ...bingo.
[12:50] <[Saint]> bonus points if you manage to mount it directly over top of the factory GPS without harming it.
[12:50] <[Saint]> So you don't screw resale value up.
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[13:04] <gordonDrogon> [Saint], yes, it's hilarious )-: https://projects.drogon.net/wiringpi-pin-numbering/
[13:05] <gordonDrogon> i've just gotten an mcp3008 too - that's the 8-channel version of the 3004. I'll give it a go when I solder it all up.
[13:05] <[Saint]> you're fighting the good fight.
[13:06] <Zeno`> yeah!
[13:06] <Zeno`> pies and bread
[13:06] <[Saint]> that reminds me I have sourdough starter to feed.
[13:06] <gordonDrogon> I've also been back-porting a lot of my stuff to my AVR codebase.
[13:07] <gordonDrogon> so I can now run I2C and SPI peripherals and things like my LCD driver on Arduio platforms in almost the same way.
[13:07] <gordonDrogon> people seem to like setting bit 4 in port B though. Seems much easier to abstract it out to "pin 13", etc... maybe that's just me.
[13:08] <[Saint]> I took some starter culture out into the boonies the other day to see if I could create anything dramatically different with non-local airborne yeasts.
[13:08] <gordonDrogon> the yeasts come from the flour.
[13:08] <[Saint]> not entirely.
[13:08] <[Saint]> predominantly, sure.
[13:09] <Zeno`> where's a good place to see the difference between pi2 and 3 pins?
[13:09] <gordonDrogon> mine change more if I change flour - however they live in the fridge for the most part, so don't get any external exposure.
[13:09] <gordonDrogon> Zeno`, the 40-pin gpio connector is the same...
[13:09] <[Saint]> every variant with the 40pin header is identical, is it not?
[13:10] <gordonDrogon> yup.
[13:10] <gordonDrogon> there are 2 variants of the 26-pin header.
[13:11] <Zeno`> oh sorry, that's what I meant
[13:11] <gordonDrogon> and some Pi's with an extra 8-pin heaer...
[13:11] <gordonDrogon> *header.
[13:11] <[Saint]> I don't use mine for anything drastic. just for supplying some PWM fan regulation and relay triggers.
[13:11] <[Saint]> nothing fancy at all.
[13:11] <gordonDrogon> currently have an rfm69 radio on one of my Pi's ... and an oven on another :)
[13:11] <[Saint]> the fan regulation stuff was just boredom.
[13:11] <[Saint]> entirely needless work.
[13:12] <gordonDrogon> sometimes fun though.
[13:12] <[Saint]> I got hold of a 150mm 5V fan and thought "Hmmmm..."
[13:12] <[Saint]> made a cpu cooler for ants^W^W^W^Wraspi
[13:12] <gordonDrogon> the pwm input is ok at 3.3v ?
[13:13] <[Saint]> yeah, seems fine.
[13:13] <[Saint]> If I had significantly more mass to spin up I probably wouldn't consider it at 3.3V.
[13:13] <[Saint]> but this fan is _tiny_.
[13:14] <gordonDrogon> ah, you run the fan at 3.3v too?
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[13:14] * [Saint] nods
[13:14] <[Saint]> it whines like a jet engine at 5V.
[13:14] <[Saint]> near silent at 3.3V
[13:15] <[Saint]> still manages to provide uniform cooling of 18C~20C though.
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[13:15] <[Saint]> but when you're talking about 40~60C uncooled temps, it's all meaningless.
[13:16] <[Saint]> but as you said, it was fun.
[13:17] <[Saint]> doh! 15mm fan. not 150mm. I can't unit today apparently.
[13:17] <[Saint]> approximately 15x15x5mm, tiny tiny tiny wee thing.
[13:17] <[Saint]> about the same size as the SoC itself.
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[13:21] <gordonDrogon> I did wonder :)
[13:21] <gordonDrogon> does it have a separate pwm input, or just power & gnd ?
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[13:26] <pksato> $99 :P http://www.ebay.com/itm/Raspberry-Pi-2-Heatsink-Set-100-Forged-Copper-With-Micro-Fan-/161707217728
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[13:29] <ShorTie> Crazy
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[13:33] <Encrypt> pksato, $99 but: "33 sold"
[13:33] <gordonDrogon> sure but ... its Forged copper. None of the moulded stuff... this is FORGED!
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[13:34] <gordonDrogon> 13,000 rpm - no wonder they sound like a little jet...
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[13:35] <Encrypt> I think we've all misunderstood. This is to convert the Raspberry Pi into a drone. :>
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[13:36] <Armand> gordonDrogon: "Forged" ?!?! It's fake copper?? O_O
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[13:37] <ShorTie> Forged definition, to form by heating and hammering; beat into shape.
[13:37] <ShorTie> really don't see how they do that .. :/~
[13:37] <Armand> Drop-forged. :)
[13:38] <Armand> That's fun to watch
[13:38] <ShorTie> i could see molded
[13:38] <ShorTie> because copper is a real pain to machine
[13:39] <RaTTuS|BIG> https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/pi-3-booting-part-i-usb-mass-storage-boot/
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[13:53] <Zeno`> I have heaps of copper stored!
[13:53] <Zeno`> err, sorry... thought this was #factorio
[13:54] <Armand> lol
[13:54] <Armand> I could use some 1" thick copper, square bar
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[13:58] <Zeno`> Encrypt, I turned my rPi into a drone
[13:58] <Encrypt> :]
[13:58] <Zeno`> Encrypt, it flew out of range and I still haven't found it
[13:58] <Encrypt> xD
[13:58] <Encrypt> RIP the RPI
[13:59] <Zeno`> it's there somewhere
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[13:59] <Zeno`> probably up a tree like a cat
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[14:04] <BluesKaj_> these gamers, trying to be cool and scary, this is irc, not much to be scary about here :-)
[14:05] <Zeno`> I'm scary
[14:05] <Zeno`> dunno about the cool part
[14:05] <Armand> You don't scare me.
[14:05] <Zeno`> you have not seen my photo
[14:06] <Armand> That ugly, huh?
[14:06] <Zeno`> yeah :/
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[14:06] <Zeno`> thank you. /me blows nose on paper towel
[14:06] <Armand> O_O
[14:06] <BluesKaj_> scared maybe :-)
[14:07] <Armand> Nah, just grossed out.
[14:07] <Zeno`> lol
[14:09] <BluesKaj_> Iḿ just old, but still cool .... I think
[14:11] <Zeno`> I am planning my new desk
[14:11] <Zeno`> it's going to be 3m x 1.5 just like this one but the entire surface will be a giant breadboard
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[14:12] <Armand> I need to build a new desk. :/
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[14:15] <Drzacek> funny you guys mention that, I'm planning to build one too
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[14:16] <BluesKaj_> I used a Drafting table from Ikea , was perfect, adjustable height. good size and it was cheap
[14:17] <Encrypt> Ikea is always cheap
[14:18] <Armand> Problem for me, is that the nearest store is crazy distance.
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[14:18] <BluesKaj_> still being used after 15 yrs
[14:18] <Drzacek> Didn't like those, besides I made almost all my furniture with real wood, so I don't want that cheap plastic stuff
[14:18] <Armand> There's other stores, but Ikea is about the easiest to find something my wife likes the look of. :P
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[14:19] <BluesKaj_> itś not plastic, but itś probly particleboard covered with veneer
[14:20] <Zeno`> I may have to modify desk dimensions /slightly/ but I should be able to get 108 + and - rails horizontally
[14:20] <Sadale> I was thinking to buy a few pieces of raspiberry pi zero. Turned out that it isn't available here :(
[14:20] <Sadale> (Even if it is, they are sold at high cost)
[14:20] <Zeno`> i mean depth-wise
[14:20] <Zeno`> so yeah, they'll be horizontally across the desk
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[14:22] <Zeno`> maybe 20K horizontal "columns" (or rows... depending on how you look at it)
[14:23] <SpeedEvil> Sadale: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Orange-Pi-Lite-Support-ubuntu-linux-and-android-mini-PC-Beyond-and-Compatible-with-Raspberry/32662738571.html?spm=2114.01020208.3.2.wh7Ld1&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_10,searchweb201602_4_10037_10017_507_10032_401,searchweb201603_9&btsid=736ec6fb-0751-4781-bd74-ab3e1ae50aef
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[14:23] <Sadale> orange pi? :O
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[15:07] <snowkidind> anyone using motion webcam?
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[15:10] <pwillard> Sadale: Pi Zero's are never available... it's a conspiracy
[15:10] <Sadale> pwillard, well, right.
[15:10] <Sadale> pwillard, I thought that it was merely a regional problem.
[15:10] <pwillard> its pretty global.
[15:10] <Sadale> Anyway, the price of orange pi is attractive. And it even comes with wifi
[15:11] <pwillard> My local "retailer" has them... but only as part of a $24 kit with power supply and useful cables
[15:11] <pwillard> zero's that is.
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[15:14] <Sadale> well, non-zero pi is much more expensive than $24 if you want a kit
[15:14] <mfa298> first place I looked appears to have plain zeros for sale, not sure where the global conspiracy is
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[15:15] <shauno> yeah, the uk kinda lucks out with that. thepihut & pimoroni both have them in stock pretty consistently now
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[15:20] <Drzacek> pwillard, yet I was able to get two pi0s
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[15:22] <Drzacek> but yeah, the availability is still very low, I don't expect that to change in at least a year. As for other pi-like products, I'm not convinced if they are good choice
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[15:23] <Drzacek> none of them has as good support as the real pi, but on the other hand, they offer somewhat superior hardware (gigabit ethernet, more ram, wifi - yeah, rpi3 now has one too)
[15:24] <Drzacek> I would still stick to rpi and hunt for pi0 when available in thepihut
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[15:32] <Sadale> Anyway, I think I'd go for Orange Pi over Pi zero :P
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[15:32] <Sadale> I think that suits better for my application :3
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[15:40] <BluesKaj_> rpi3 here, itś my first pi so no experience to compare, however it works well with raspbian jessie and itś basically my kodi box and more flexible software-wise than one of those android boxes for cord cutters
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[15:46] <Zeno`> is there are something a bit more stable than raspbian?
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[15:46] <Bilby> morning
[15:47] <Sadale> Isn't raspbian stable?
[15:47] <Zeno`> not really
[15:47] <mfa298> Zeno`: not sure i've seen any stability issues with raspbian, so im not sure what more stable would look like
[15:47] <Zeno`> not compared to fedora
[15:47] <Sadale> Zeno`, I've a server running on raspbian. It has pretty good up time.
[15:47] <Bilby> O_o
[15:47] <Zeno`> I don't mean stable in how long it can stay running
[15:48] <Zeno`> I mean stable as in things work when you expect them to work
[15:48] <Sadale> ah. you meant the stability in sense of software bugs.
[15:48] <Sadale> right.
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[15:48] <Zeno`> yes
[15:48] <Sadale> Never mind then :P
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[15:48] <Bilby> I've never had a compelling reason to even evaluate fedora so i guess i'm not sure... *shrug*
[15:48] <gordonDrogon> I've never had any software stability issues (in-general)with Raspbian/Debian - that's the joy of Debian - it might have old components, but it's generally very stable.
[15:48] <mfa298> Zeno`: you might be able to get centos for Pi2/Pi3 for stable packages
[15:49] <Bilby> the few times i've used it I was more aggrivated about the lack of apt, etc etc
[15:49] <Zeno`> gordonDrogon, half the rasp-oriented utilities are broken
[15:49] <Zeno`> they may as well remove them if I have to do everything manually anyway
[15:50] * Sadale have been using debian-based distro for years
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[15:50] <gordonDrogon> well - that's a raspberry/foundation issue - well worthwhile taking it up with them - and I very much doubt they'd be any different on any other Linux distro as they'd use the same sources...
[15:50] <mfa298> I've not seen any software stability issues with raspbian, a few bad default configs (read the bottom 7 lines of tsyslog.conf), but that's easily fixed
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[15:55] <Zeno`> they may as well remove them if I have to do everything manually anyway
[15:55] <Drzacek> I agree with gordonDrogon, debian is very stable, never had any problems with none of my debian machines, and from short experience I have with Pi, raspbian is also stable
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[15:58] <BluesKaj_> Zeno`, odd you should say that because raspbian is very stable here in the pi 3
[15:59] <pwillard> I agree. I've tried others... but go back to Debian based releases
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[16:01] <Drzacek> pwillard, Each time I try some other distro, I regret it almost instantly, and end up always with good 'ol debian
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[16:01] <pwillard> I'm currently trying out DietPi and I'm not yet convinced it is stable yet. It's basically a configurable network install of Raspbian so you don't have to have everything or nothing installed... (referring to the two official offerings).
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[16:02] <Drzacek> I dislike ubuntu though
[16:03] <pwillard> Ubuntu is trying to be nice to noobs... I think of it as the "Arduino solution" for people moving from Windows based machines. Doesn't mean I don't use it though.
[16:03] <Zeno`> It's not too much of a hassle
[16:03] <Sadale> pwillard, agreed.
[16:03] <Zeno`> I'm being grumpy I guess
[16:04] <Sadale> We linux guys constantly need to use command line interface for solving problems :P
[16:04] <pwillard> Take that away and I'm gone
[16:04] <Sadale> To be fair, it can do pretty much stuffs that windows cannot do. :P
[16:04] <Zeno`> Sadale, there is another way?
[16:04] <Zeno`> oh, the ncurses apps... yeah they don't work
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[16:04] <Zeno`> well, not for me anyway
[16:05] <Zeno`> so I'm doing it all using vi/vim anyway lol
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[16:05] <Sadale> Zeno`, well, windows? We often need to resort programming to solve problems on windows :(
[16:05] <pwillard> But "Thicky McThickmeister" software developers still develop Windows Only versions of software.
[16:05] <Zeno`> I don't have windows
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[16:05] <Sadale> In linux we can do much more just by typing some simple commands :3
[16:05] <Zeno`> and pi doesn't have X
[16:05] <Sadale> doesn't it have X?
[16:05] <Sadale> I've never used X on pi, tho
[16:05] <Zeno`> well it does, I removed it
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[16:06] <Zeno`> and my pi* doesn't have X
[16:06] <Drzacek> I don't vim, vim is bad for my eyes, hands and keyboard
[16:06] <Zeno`> ^-- fixed
[16:06] <Zeno`> Drzacek, it's very good for your feet though
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[16:07] <pwillard> I would say that over 80% of "well written" Cad/Cam/CAE/EdA software is Windows Only.
[16:07] <Drzacek> If there was some keyboard extension for pads triggered by our feet, I bet that they would be used inside vim
[16:07] <Zeno`> ok, I have an update... using the MCP3208 and Pi to read the V on my 1.5V battery it gives a result of 1.32V
[16:08] <gordonDrogon> check the reference voltage..
[16:08] <Zeno`> my multimeter says that the same batter has 1.38 volts
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[16:08] <Zeno`> so I think it's ok
[16:08] <mlelstv> pwillard, that would be bad, because 90% of all software is Windows Only
[16:08] <pwillard> Witin tolerance
[16:08] <Drzacek> pwillard, and a lot of industrial software is windows only (while most of that is bad-written)
[16:08] <pwillard> Yes, but Linux versions are sadly... worse
[16:09] <Zeno`> the 1.32V I got from the MCP3208 is without any averaging or calibration at all
[16:09] <pwillard> FreeCad makes me want to slap kittens
[16:09] <Drzacek> My hopes are that more and more stuff will run with wine
[16:09] <Zeno`> so I'd say it's well withing tolerance :)
[16:09] <mlelstv> I can also say that lots of "well written" CAE software is for Linux :)
[16:09] <Zeno`> something went right today (for a change). Yay!
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[16:10] <Bilby> Nnggggh
[16:11] <Bilby> Kivy, you're so neat and so aggrivating
[16:11] <pwillard> I DO need to give this a try... http://caelinux.com/CMS/
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[16:11] <Bilby> At this point I can't tell if I'm reading the documentation wrong, if it's poor documentation, if I don't understand python, or if it's just a bug...
[16:12] <pwillard> Sadly... quite old now
[16:12] <Zeno`> now I have to work out the issue with this capacitor
[16:12] <Zeno`> I think I have it in the wrong place
[16:12] <Zeno`> mainly because it doesn't discharge lol
[16:15] <Zeno`> it actually makes no sense at all having it where I currently have it (between analog channel 0 on the mcp and the analog + and -)
[16:15] <pwillard> Bleeder Resistor?
[16:15] <pwillard> have a drawing handy
[16:15] <Drzacek> pwillard, looks interesting
[16:15] <pwillard> Its OLD... but was a good idea
[16:15] <Zeno`> umm, I don't have a drawing :(
[16:15] <Zeno`> I can make one I guess
[16:15] <pwillard> napkin and pen to the rescue!
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[16:18] <Zeno`> I'll use... kpaint or something
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[16:19] <Drzacek> is there some pain/graphical program for console?
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[16:26] <Zeno`> pwillard, http://imgur.com/a/9IOFe
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[16:26] <Zeno`> I think I should have used a napkin and a pen
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[16:27] <Zeno`> oops wait
[16:27] <Zeno`> it's not connected to pin9 (DGND) it's connected to pin 14 (AGND)
[16:28] <Zeno`> all the digital stuff is only connected to the PI. Vref is connected to the PI 5V as well, but that's it for the analog side of things
[16:29] <Zeno`> VAin is what I'm connecting the + of my battery to
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[16:30] <Zeno`> I just checked another thing... the cap is 1uF not 0.1uf
[16:30] <Zeno`> I'll redraw it I guess
[16:31] <kalib> Hllo guys, I have a brand new raspberrypi 3, running raspbian. I am trying to use it to run a slideshow of pictures, but it keeps blanking my screen every 10min or so.. so the screen becomes all black. How can I avoid that? I tried a tip I found on google, editing /etc/kbd/config to BLANK_TIME=0 and POWERDOWN_TIME=0, but didn't work.
[16:33] <Zeno`> pwillard, fixed. http://imgur.com/a/XDCWP
[16:36] <inch> kalib: If you are using X, try "xset -dpms" and "xset s off"
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[16:38] <Encrypt> Zeno`, Vin = GND there
[16:40] <pwillard> right, you would need a bleeder resistor
[16:40] <Zeno`> err Vin is supposed to connect to the other side of the capacitor
[16:40] <pwillard> No
[16:40] <kalib> inch: where?
[16:40] <Zeno`> no?
[16:40] <kalib> /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc?
[16:41] <pwillard> Cap would go accross +V and GND
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[16:41] <pwillard> not inline
[16:41] <Encrypt> ^ This
[16:41] <Zeno`> may you draw it?
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[16:42] <pwillard> https://www.arduino.cc/en/uploads/Tutorial/CapacitanceMeterSchem.png
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[16:45] <Zeno`> hmm
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[16:46] <pwillard> I will admit to not really knowing what your goal is
[16:47] <pwillard> but the 220 ohm resistor is how you take away the charge
[16:47] <Zeno`> maybe I'll just take away the cap
[16:47] <pwillard> An AD input pin or meter would be very high impedance and take forever to discharge that way
[16:48] <Zeno`> my goal was this: http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/21298c.pdf#20
[16:48] <Zeno`> Layout considerations, end of first paragraph
[16:49] <Zeno`> "A bypass capacitor value of 1 μF is recommended"
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[16:49] <curlyears> heigh hough
[16:50] <Zeno`> oh wait... should it go in series with the device's input voltage?!
[16:51] <Zeno`> not the sampling/analog input?
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[16:51] <curlyears> zeno?
[16:51] <Zeno`> hi curlyears
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[16:52] <kalib> inch: Where should I use those configs you suggested me?
[16:53] <Zeno`> oh dear... I think I see what I should be doing... putting it between pin 16 and ground?
[16:54] <Zeno`> i bet that's it but I really have no clue lol
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[16:54] <curlyears> what are you attemmptiong to accomplish, zeno?
[16:55] <Zeno`> wire up MPC3208
[16:55] <kalib> How can I avoid my raspberrypi3 running raspbing from blanking the screen every 10min or so? Since I am using it to a slideshow, ti should be always displaying images.
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[16:56] <vrmxm> Morning. I'm getting compilation errors from a package (dunst) due to undefined references in libGLESv2.so
[16:56] <Zeno`> I'll put the cap between Vdd and the Vref's ground
[16:57] <Zeno`> which is the same as Vdd's ground
[16:57] <curlyears> Zeno: what is an MPC3208? And what are yo wanting to do with it that's not working?
[16:58] <Zeno`> it's an ADC and the capacitor I'd added was not discharging
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[16:58] <Zeno`> before today I didn't attempt to use the "bypass capacitor"
[16:58] <Zeno`> I just left it out
[16:58] <curlyears> I don't use raspbing, but there is probably a control somewhere in that OS for controlling the "screen saver" or "automatic timeout"
[17:00] <curlyears> Zeno: "bypass capacitor?" can you paste a diagram of your problem, cirsuit to pastebin, or somewhwre, so I can look at it?
[17:00] <Zeno`> maybe tomorrow. I think I've had enough today :`-(
[17:00] <curlyears> but, in general, it is NOT a good idea to leave "bypass" capacitors out of a circuit for which they have been specified.
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[17:02] <Zeno`> well, the datasheet recommends it
[17:02] <Zeno`> http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/21298c.pdf#20
[17:02] <Zeno`> last sentence in first paragraph
[17:02] <curlyears> what size? and from where, Vcc to Vgg?
[17:03] <Zeno`> Vdd I think... not really sure
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[17:04] <vrmxm> Ouch... same problem compiling rofi
[17:06] <pwillard> Zeno`: Yes. Decoupling capacitors go across the VCC and Ground pins of the CHIP
[17:06] <pwillard> nothing to do with the AD pin at all
[17:06] <pwillard> I thought you were trying to measure capacitor charge.
[17:07] <curlyears> Zeno`: where? I've read the entire first page 3 times, and still can see no reference to a bypass cap.
[17:07] <Zeno`> curlyears, page 20
[17:07] <Zeno`> pwillard, the CHIP has no ground (???)
[17:07] <pwillard> I say "impossible"
[17:08] <Zeno`> it's got AGND and DGND
[17:08] <Zeno`> for analog and digital
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[17:09] <pwillard> Explain why you think those are not the ground we are talking about. There are some conditions where you want to isolate Analog from Digital ground, and it is digital ground that needs the desoupling... but normally, those would get tied together as a common ground.
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[17:12] <Zeno`> I thought the ground on the battery (analog) that I want to measure the voltage of was different
[17:12] <curlyears> Zeno: A (analog) GRND and D (digital) GRND are two different electrical identities. Tead the paragraph carefully. A and D ground should ONLY connect to each other at ONE location opn the board I am assuming the bypass 1uF capacitor goes bteween the Vcc pin and the DGRND net. Keep the traces as short as possible.
[17:13] <pwillard> ^^
[17:13] <curlyears> pwillard: but, genwerally, tied together at ONLY ONE POINT
[17:15] <curlyears> Zeno`: d00d, if you've been trying to get this device to work correctly without the specified decoupling capacitor, you must be hella freustrated, that's all I have to say. :p
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[17:15] <pwillard> I agree
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[17:16] <curlyears> zeno`: buddy pal, next time you run into these sorts of problems, check us out in ##electronics. It's what we thrive on
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[17:17] <inch> kalib: xset is a command. Run it in terminal after starting X (gui)
[17:17] <kalib> inch: hum.. so I assume I need to run it everytime I boot it.. or, just include it ni bashrc ?
[17:19] <Zeno`> oddly enough about an hour ago it seemed to be working
[17:20] <Zeno`> when I had the capacitor in the apparently wrong place hehe
[17:20] <inch> kalib: Yes, but you can put it somewhere to be run at boot. If you put it in bashrc, use if test -n "$DISPLAY" ; then xset ... ; fi
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[17:20] <kalib> well, where would you suggest me to include it instead of bashrc ?
[17:20] <Zeno`> but it's 1AM now... time to leave it until tomorrow
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[17:23] <inch> kalib: Somewhere that is related with starting the graphical user session. And that depends on which *dm is used.
[17:23] <WadeWatts> hey guys if wondere if there are some alternatives to retropi that are worth looking into
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[17:23] <kalib> inch: thanks, I will try using both the commands you said..
[17:24] <Zeno`> actually it's working again!
[17:25] <Zeno`> I just connect the two grounds together *at one place* and bingo
[17:25] <Zeno`> and it discharges as well (goes back to 0V)
[17:25] <Zeno`> yay!
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[17:26] <Zeno`> gosh, thanks for being patient pwillard and curlyears
[17:26] <pwillard> Meh... I'm at work... barely paying attention here... (sorry)
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[17:27] <pwillard> the decoupling cap is needed as you need to stabilize the powersource for all the inner workings of the chip.
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[17:31] <Zeno`> it is +/- .002V "off"
[17:31] <Zeno`> I think I can handle that
[17:31] <mlelstv> http://www.analog.com/library/analogDialogue/Anniversary/12.html
[17:31] <mlelstv> maybe interesting to read :)
[17:32] <Zeno`> oops it was just off by -.006 volts!
[17:32] <Zeno`> I think to decimal places is good enough
[17:32] <mlelstv> don't touch, it may add a few millivolts :)
[17:33] * Zeno` doesn't feel like such a failure now
[17:33] <Zeno`> my first circuit!
[17:33] <Zeno`> yay!
[17:34] <Zeno`> well, apart from the silly LED thing, but I guess that shouldn't count
[17:35] <Zeno`> I could probably just mask out the lower 3 bits and it will be good
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[17:37] <mlelstv> years ago, when Philips was still an electronics company trying to find young talents, they had blinking LED kits as giveaways.
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[17:38] <mlelstv> so don't be too humble about the "silly LED thing" :)
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[17:43] <Zeno`> well in that case maybe it wasn't so silly
[17:43] <Zeno`> the tutorial was using a relay but I don't have one so I adapted it to use a transistor
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[17:44] <Zeno`> and I only blew up 2 LEDs!
[17:44] <Zeno`> maybe 1 transistor as well, but I'm not sure
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[17:45] <Zeno`> I threw it out anyway 'cause it was kinda hot
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[17:54] <kerio> gpio pins are high at 3V3 right
[17:54] <methuzla> yes
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[17:54] <gregd> what's the threshold for gpio pin high?
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[17:57] <thykka> hi! i have a problem with raspistill.. when I launch it from shell, it shows the preview stream normally, but if i launch it with a bash script, it just keeps taking pictures
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[17:59] <BurtyB> and the problem is?
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[18:04] <methuzla> gregd it's 3.3V logic, so something around 2V i believe
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[18:05] <methuzla> thykka, problem unclear, are you saying you're running the same command from command line and in script, but getting different responses?
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[18:06] <ali1234> perfectly reasonable. lots of programs behave differently if they detect you are running them non-interactively
[18:06] <ali1234> just tell it what you want with the command line options
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[19:00] <k_j> TheSin, hi
[19:01] <k_j> TheSin, have you made any progress on the read-only thing?
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[19:17] <thykka> is it possible to launch a .desktop file from terminal?
[19:17] <thykka> using lxde
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[19:26] <TheSin> k_j I started on it one day but I think I'm going to have to do it different make even move away from make, which isn't the end of the world, but I can't get thigns working easily with make
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[19:29] <k_j> TheSin, i have noticed that the os does not sync the clock from internet, is the ntp service deliberately missing?
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[19:32] <TheSin> nothign is installed, that is the point of a base install, just add it to a packages
[19:33] <TheSin> not all installs have netowrk, thus I didn't want to assuem it did
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[19:36] <k_j> TheSin, sure, it makes sense
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[20:16] <Zeno`> that seems a bit weird. If I connect an led with, say, 220ohm resistor, from +5V to GND it will turn on
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[20:17] <ozzzy_> yes it will
[20:17] <Zeno`> then I shutdown rPi and disconnect the power source and it stays on (but much dimmer). This is with a HDMI cable connected to a monitor that is turned off
[20:17] <Zeno`> I left it for 20 minutes and it was still on, but dim. Uplug the HDMI cable as well and it goes off
[20:17] <IT_Sean> probably leaching a bit of power from the HDMI lead, mayhaps?
[20:18] <Zeno`> hmm
[20:18] <IT_Sean> Ja... that confirms it. Trickle power from HDMI.
[20:18] <Zeno`> I wonder how long it would stay on and dim
[20:18] <Zeno`> forever maybe... it didn't seem to get any dimmer at all
[20:18] <IT_Sean> your monitor that's "off" is still powered on (although the panel is off) waiting for a power-on command. It would stay on and dim until you unplug it.
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[20:19] <IT_Sean> the HDMI circuit is likely on, listening for a CEC power-on command.
[20:19] <Zeno`> ok, so the pi is getting "trickle power" from the monitor?
[20:19] <IT_Sean> basically.
[20:19] <Zeno`> ok cool
[20:19] <IT_Sean> and no, it is nowhere near enough to run your Pi off of.
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[20:20] <Zeno`> Oh, I don't want to do that. I wanted the LED to turn off when I powered off the rPi :)
[20:20] <IT_Sean> it kinda does. mostly.
[20:20] <Zeno`> works if I don't have a monitor plugged in so I guess that's ok
[20:21] <Zeno`> I could add a bigger resistor between the +5V and the LED I guess
[20:21] <Zeno`> basically I wanted an easy way to make sure there was no power going to the breadboard heh
[20:21] <Zeno`> and there obviously is if I have a monitor (even if the monitor is off) plugged in
[20:21] <Bilby> mmm
[20:22] <Bilby> new york style pizza for lunch
[20:22] <Bilby> i need a nap
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[20:22] <Zeno`> I don't actually use the monitor anyway so I'll just unplug it
[20:22] <Zeno`> (from the HDMI)
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[20:24] * Zeno` makes note of that in his notebook and realises he needs another notebook... after 2.5 weeks this one is already full
[20:25] <Bilby> O_O
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[20:25] <Bilby> Evernote / OneNote / etc is your friend. I track my projects obsessively, it makes it easier to figure out what i've changed if i'm trying to replicate
[20:26] <Zeno`> Bilby, my pieces of paper seem to work ok :3
[20:26] <Bilby> whatever works i suppose
[20:26] <Bilby> though it's awefully nice to be able to search, copy and paste, and click links :)
[20:26] <Zeno`> I'm not sure that Evernote/OneNote would even work on Linux
[20:26] <Zeno`> or do they?
[20:27] <Bilby> I think there's an evernote client? Not sure
[20:27] <Bilby> for that i'd probably just use a dropbox-type folder of text files
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[20:28] <Bilby> I tend to do most of my coding remotely using SSH or remote desktop
[20:28] <Bilby> or use a virtual machine to start
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[20:36] <mfa298> you can use onenote online from linux, although I tend to track stuff in redmine now, although that's more todo rather than what I've done (but then what I've done can be gathered from git)
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[20:47] <vrmxm> Gr. Now Firefox won't compile on the Pi either.
[20:47] <vrmxm> This is getting silly.
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[20:51] <vrmxm> But do I ask for help in the Pi channel, some Firefox channel, or the Gentoo channel?
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[20:53] <ali1234> seems to work, if my laser printer is accurate http://i.imgur.com/uEb47A8.png
[20:54] <ali1234> i just sent it for manufacture anyway
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[20:55] <ali1234> the board is 6mm x 10mm
[20:55] <ali1234> and cost $0.55 each
[20:57] <Zeno`> What's the error, vrmxm?
[20:57] <vrmxm> I couldn't find it. I'll have to go back and check.
[20:57] <ali1234> probably not enough memory. firefox is huge
[20:57] <ali1234> check dmesg for stuff about oomkiller
[20:57] <vrmxm> I have 1GB onboard and 4GB swap, cross compiling with my main PC
[20:58] <ali1234> that might not be enough
[20:58] <vrmxm> That's crazy
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[20:58] <vrmxm> I compiled Firefox on my old laptop which was 4GB
[20:58] <Zeno`> try compiling Qt in that case :P
[20:58] <ali1234> i have compiled Qt on the pi
[20:58] <Zeno`> not you :P
[20:59] <ali1234> oh wait scratch that, i haven't cos it ran out of memory
[20:59] <ali1234> i cross compiled it in the end
[20:59] <Zeno`> but it uses insane amounts of RAM
[20:59] <ali1234> and used the launchpad builders
[20:59] <ali1234> nah, Qt doesn't need lots of ram once you've compiled it
[20:59] <Zeno`> not once you've compiled it
[21:00] <vrmxm> If I knew how to compile on the laptop then install on the Pi, I would
[21:00] <ali1234> my app uses 40mb... and half of that is http cache
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[21:00] <Zeno`> webkit is terrible to compile
[21:00] <ali1234> they dropped webkit for the google fork
[21:00] <vrmxm> I cross compiled the kernel, but that was just a copy-paste operation
[21:00] <Zeno`> ali1234, thank goodness
[21:00] <ali1234> it's no better to compile though :)
[21:00] <Zeno`> lol
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[21:01] <ali1234> but luckily they Qt is modular now too so if you don't need it you don't have to build it
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[21:01] <ali1234> but even modularized, the core is still too big to compile on pi
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[21:02] <ali1234> the compile guide for firefox says you need 64 bit and recommends 8GB
[21:02] <ali1234> not sure i believe either of those things tbh
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[21:10] <kerio> do i need to enable some overlay to access gpio on P24
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[21:12] <ali1234> you do on the pi 3
[21:12] <ali1234> you have to disable wifi
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[21:16] <kerio> wat
[21:16] <kerio> ok, is there some other gpio available?
[21:16] <kerio> what about BCM25
[21:18] <gordonDrogon> if P24 is the 40-pin connector, then you don't need an overlay - you can just use it - however the new way is to use some sort of overlay which might help if using the SPI or I2C interfaces.
[21:18] <kerio> i'm talking about a specific pin
[21:19] <gordonDrogon> what's P24? I don't have a Pi3 handy...
[21:20] <kerio> physical pin 18
[21:20] <gordonDrogon> ah, ok.
[21:20] <kerio> BCM24
[21:20] <gordonDrogon> just use it.
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[21:20] <gordonDrogon> it's a PWM output, but it can be used as a GPIO pin.
[21:21] <gordonDrogon> oops, ignore that bit about pwm...
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[21:21] <gordonDrogon> (that's bcm_18)
[21:22] <gordonDrogon> in-general you can just use any of those pins. hook an LED up, run a program, type a command, etc.
[21:22] <ali1234> oh yeah
[21:22] <ali1234> my bad
[21:22] <ali1234> was looking at the wrong line
[21:22] <ali1234> 24 should default to gpio
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[21:23] <gordonDrogon> writing an overlay thing turns a general-purpose Pi into a Pi for a specific project, so for the most part you can do without.
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[21:24] <kerio> doesn't gpio default on high
[21:24] <ali1234> the default settings are all different
[21:24] <TheLostAdmin> I still want to make that elusive pi laptop or tablet or convertible.
[21:24] <gordonDrogon> they default to inputs - some have pull-up resistors set, some pull-down.
[21:25] <gordonDrogon> best to not relay on anything (overlay or not) and explicitly set pins as needed by your program.
[21:25] <gordonDrogon> TheLostAdmin, pi-top ... Moto Atrix Lapdock?
[21:26] <gordonDrogon> and if your Pi is controlling something mechanical, google for "garage door kills" before you build it.
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[21:26] <gordonDrogon> I've had several emails that go along the lines: My Pi rebooted and the garage door opened...
[21:26] <gordonDrogon> )-:
[21:26] <ali1234> haha
[21:27] <gordonDrogon> it's not haha as several errant garage doors have killed people )-:
[21:27] <ali1234> people just never learn to handle reset condition properly...
[21:27] <kerio> gordonDrogon: way better than "my pi rebooted and the garage door closed"
[21:27] <kerio> it's like
[21:27] <kerio> infinitely better
[21:27] <gordonDrogon> or engage proper electro mechanical safelocks.
[21:27] <IT_Sean> gordonDrogon, they clearly needed killing. It is for the betterment of the human race that they have been removed from it.
[21:27] <kerio> therac-25 taught us
[21:27] <ali1234> hoist by their own petard... literally
[21:28] <gordonDrogon> anyway, I'm now off to use a dough mixer that has the potential to break my arm if I fall into it. It's older than me (1956) and has no safeguards...
[21:29] <ali1234> i got stuck in a garage door once
[21:29] <ali1234> i survived tho
[21:29] <kerio> LMAO
[21:29] <TheLostAdmin> I used to have a hobart, too gordonDrogon. It was about 6 feet tallk.
[21:29] <TheLostAdmin> without the k.
[21:29] <kerio> LMAO
[21:29] <ali1234> and it was a proper one with a safety mechanism so it goes back up if it can't go all the way down
[21:29] <kerio> my pi kept rebooting
[21:29] <kerio> so i was scared shitless
[21:30] * IT_Sean mounts a razer-sharp blade to the bottom edge of ali1234's garage door, to ensure a clean kill next time
[21:30] <ali1234> not some half baked thing built buy a "maker"
[21:30] <kerio> it turns out that i had a web page open on a cgi script i have
[21:30] <kerio> that shuts it down
[21:30] <IT_Sean> kerio, Language, please. The channel rules are linked in the topic.
[21:30] <ali1234> (no offense to bakers)
[21:30] <kerio> IT_Sean: ack
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[21:31] <gordonDrogon> TheLostAdmin, http://unicorn.drogon.net/bench2.jpg <- lurking under the bench ...
[21:32] <ali1234> what do you do with all the things you bake? do you sell them?
[21:32] <TheLostAdmin> Oh, you've got the small one. Those are great mixers. indestructible.
[21:32] <gordonDrogon> yes. sell them. I'm making 44 loaves for tomorrow.
[21:32] <gordonDrogon> A200.
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[21:33] <gordonDrogon> the spiral next to it handles 18Kg of dough - the A200 a mere 6-7Kg...
[21:33] <gordonDrogon> right. back later.
[21:34] <IT_Sean> TheLostAdmin, we had one of those hobart mixers, the big 6ft tall ones, at the restauarant I used to work at. Someone fell into it once... ... ...
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[21:34] <TheLostAdmin> Only once? I hope it wasn't on at the time.
[21:35] <IT_Sean> It's amazing what they can do with prosthetics these days.
[21:35] <TheLostAdmin> ouch
[21:36] <IT_Sean> Basically.
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[21:41] <kerio> how much current goes through gpio?
[21:41] <IT_Sean> not much.
[21:41] <Bilby> 30ma absolute max
[21:41] <kerio> hrmpf
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[21:41] <IT_Sean> pull any more than that ^ and stuff goes poof
[21:41] <kerio> it's not enough ;3;
[21:41] <Bilby> anything more than that and you have a Raspberry Paperweight
[21:41] <kerio> do i
[21:42] <Bilby> transistors / mosfets / relays
[21:42] <kerio> because right now this shutter is just not doing anything
[21:42] <Bilby> what are you trying to push and how?
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[21:42] <kerio> i'm trying to close a shutter
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[21:42] <Bilby> a camera shutter or blinds over a window?
[21:42] <kerio> a camera shutter
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[21:43] <kerio> yeah it works fine with the 5V connector too
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[21:43] <kerio> i'm going to assume that gpio isn't powerful enough
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[21:43] <kerio> what a shame :(
[21:43] <kerio> i'll have to wire up something else
[21:44] <IT_Sean> the gpio pins, first off, are 3.3v. And you cannot draw more than 30ma out of 'em. So, yeah, probably not enough oompf. You'll need an external wad to do what you want, it seems.
[21:44] <Bilby> if it's like 100ma @ 5v you can use a PNP or NPN transistor to toss it off
[21:44] <Bilby> err, phrasing. "set it off"
[21:44] <kerio> IT_Sean: it worked fine with the 3V3 pin too
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[21:45] <kerio> and yeah i was hoping for some more oomph
[21:45] <kerio> :(
[21:45] <IT_Sean> YOU NEED MOAR POWAH!
[21:45] <kerio> i mean i can hear the coil trying to do *something*
[21:45] <kerio> when i set the gpio to 1
[21:45] <IT_Sean> Ih cannoh do it cap'n. I dunnah 'ave the powah!
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[21:45] <kerio> it just... can't ;-;
[21:45] <TheLostAdmin> yes. yes I do. But they told me I wasn't allowed to work on my home fusion reactor anymore.
[21:46] <Bilby> you're lucky you didn't kaboom that pin
[21:46] <kerio> 5V fusion reactor to power the pi
[21:46] <kerio> Bilby: D;
[21:46] <kerio> can that really happen
[21:46] <kerio> what if i did
[21:46] <kerio> and i just don't know
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[21:47] <Bilby> the pin would stop working (at least)
[21:47] <kerio> well crud
[21:47] <kerio> how do i check
[21:47] <Bilby> do a 'net search for "NPN transistor circuit"
[21:47] <kerio> can i bridge 3V3 and a gpio to see if it works in input
[21:47] <kerio> that should work, right
[21:47] <Bilby> that's the easiest solution
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[21:47] <Bilby> just make sure you plug numbers into the formula and stay below the current limit
[21:48] <Bilby> kerio: yes
[21:48] <Bilby> with a limiting resistor or led or something
[21:48] <Bilby> (for safety)
[21:48] <kerio> alright i'm not doing anything
[21:48] <kerio> and i'll just pretend i never touched those pins
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[21:54] <Voop> i went to buy an iphone 4 replacement screen
[21:54] <Voop> then i realized most of these screens are clones
[21:55] <kerio> Bilby: what can go wrong if i connect the pi's 3V3 and that gpio pin
[21:55] <Voop> anyone know how to find either a legitimate screen or how i can assure the ppi is the same
[21:55] <kerio> Voop: the ppi is going to be the same
[21:55] <kerio> the iphone will not appreciate a different resolution
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[21:55] <kerio> the issue is that the screen will have very poor overall quality
[21:55] <kerio> just go to apple
[21:56] <Voop> yeah the reviews on most of them said they sucked
[21:56] <Bilby> kerio: it could be too much current, but it'll probably be fine for a short period
[21:56] <Voop> mostly contrast issues
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[21:56] <Voop> kerio, good to know about the resolution
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[22:13] <kerio> Voop: i wouldn't put it past shenzen to do some circuitry to make the display pretend it's bigger than it is, however :)
[22:13] <kerio> just... go to apple
[22:13] <Voop> yeah i dont feel like taking the chance on a crappy screen
[22:14] <Voop> the ppi is the whole reason im buying one
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[22:27] <TheCubeLord> hey all
[22:29] <Valduare> hi
[22:30] <grandpa> thecubelord 2: hypercubelord
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[22:33] <TheLostAdmin> you like canadian sci-fi, grandpa?
[22:34] <IT_Sean> Is canadian sci-fi like American sciif, only more polite and with a vague hint of maple syrup?
[22:34] <IT_Sean> *sci-fi
[22:34] <Valduare> space moose
[22:35] <Rickta59> doug and bob go to the moon
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[22:36] <TheLostAdmin> Not quite IT_Sean. Canadian sci-fi tends to be a bit less special-effects oriented and a lot weirder. Basically the trade-off is the writers get a lot more freedom in exchange for a significantly lower budget.
[22:36] <IT_Sean> So, crappy special effects and bad acting?
[22:37] <Valduare> more special effects or less special effects than britan’s Red Dwarf :P
[22:37] <TheLostAdmin> Often the acting is actually pretty good.
[22:37] <IT_Sean> Hey! Red Dwarf was good.
[22:37] <TheLostAdmin> on-par with Red Dwarf.
[22:37] <Valduare> i lived a year and half in ontario and cant remember a single tv show heh
[22:38] <TheLostAdmin> did you watch "Lost Girl" or "Orphan Black"? Both of those are recent Canadian sci-fi (or fantasy).
[22:38] <ozzzy_> TheLostAdmin, we have sci-fi in Canada?
[22:39] <IT_Sean> You have TV in canada!?
[22:39] <TheLostAdmin> ozzzy_, surprisingly yes.
[22:39] <Valduare> I thought canada just focused on producing star’s for america :P
[22:39] <grandpa> i like some scifi.. doesnt matter if it is canadian or not
[22:39] <TheLostAdmin> IT_Sean, we all live on the border with the USA, so ya. We pick up their stuff.
[22:39] * ozzzy_ can't think of a single Canadian Sci-fi show
[22:39] <waveform> 4400, and wasn't BSG Canadian, or am I mis-remembering that? I think Cypher was Canadian too, on the film side
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[22:39] <ozzzy_> if there was it would be a spin-off of either Avonlea or The Beachcombers
[22:39] <Valduare> stargate sg1 was all filmed in canada mostly wasnt it
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[22:40] <ozzzy_> filmed in is not the same as being
[22:40] <TheLostAdmin> BSG was american. But there's a similar era Canadian sci-fi called "Starlost". It had bad acting, bad writing, and bad special effects.
[22:40] <ozzzy_> what is BSG
[22:40] <TheLostAdmin> Valduare, yes, but it was mostly funded by the US tv industry.
[22:40] <grandpa> is lexx canadian?
[22:40] <waveform> battlestar galactica (specifically the rebooted newer series)
[22:41] <ozzzy_> oh
[22:41] <waveform> oh lexx ... there's some memories :)
[22:41] <grandpa> >:)
[22:41] <vrmxm> Hehe
[22:41] <TheLostAdmin> Lexx is a Canada-Germany co-production. But a darn good example of weird Canadian sci-fi
[22:41] <ozzzy_> Lexx may have been Canadian... it was Avonleaish
[22:41] <vrmxm> I hear Lexx was actually pretty good towards the end
[22:41] <vrmxm> I never managed to get that far
[22:41] <grandpa> i love lexx
[22:41] <ozzzy_> it sucked
[22:41] <ozzzy_> you'd probably watch Zardoz too
[22:41] <vrmxm> Something with Prince and two planets
[22:42] <grandpa> if i knew what it was, maybe
[22:42] <waveform> Zardoz ... or Sean Connery's most hilarious outfit ever
[22:42] <grandpa> suck it trebeck
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[22:43] <grandpa> hehe
[22:43] <IT_Sean> heh
[22:44] <IT_Sean> Easy there Turd Fergison.
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[22:53] <Valduare> wait… you guys dont own your own sean connery’s zardoz outfits?
[22:54] <Valduare> darn it, thought they’d finaly be in style 2017
[22:54] <TheLostAdmin> outfit? no.
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[22:55] <ozzzy_> no.... japanese underpants aren't the rage here
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[23:00] <gordonDrogon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-8GM7BhbEQ <--- Bertha the A200 in operation...
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[23:29] <[Saint]> I ended up cutting the ffmpeg requirement out of my raspberrypi simple camera monitor completely.
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[23:31] <[Saint]> It worked out 'cheaper' in terms of complexity and disk/OS overhead to have the system supply imagemagick without suggests or recommends than it did to rely on the system providing ffmpeg or supplying a statically linked ffmpeg externally that provided only the minimums required for my specific task(s).
[23:31] <[Saint]> And as I had pointed out to me, even though I was largely negating it by providing my own ffmpeg externally, ffmpeg is a moving target and is subject to change somewhat drastically without notice.
[23:32] <[Saint]> imagemagick significantly less so.
[23:33] <[Saint]> and it turns out that it was easier to use it for my purpose anyway, as it can do the stitching of timelapses and do image comparison (difference, compare, split difference, compare with fuzz)/mogrify/sharpen/blur/etc. all in one.
[23:34] <[Saint]> I was using an external python library for the image difference/comparison.
[23:35] <[Saint]> imagemagick is about ~60MB all up when installed by the system and supplied with dependencies only.
[23:36] <[Saint]> so far I'm relying only on the the Debian/Raspbian base image itself, and only fswebcam (very neat little tool) and imagemagick. cutting out ffmpeg, external comparison library/python and their dependencies makes for a significantly smaller image.
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[23:38] <[Saint]> Including a boot partition with a compressed backup of the kernel and firmware files, and the system image and dependencies for the aforementioned, I can fit everything in a 2GB sdcard with about 75% of the remaining space to spare.
[23:39] <[Saint]> (but that space gets used for the cache of images and the workspace for stitching the timelapses if external storage isn't supplied)
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[23:47] <vrmxm> Yikes
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[23:47] <[Saint]> yikes?
[23:47] <vrmxm> I'm on a 32GB SD card with a 256GB flash drive for support
[23:47] <vrmxm> Sorry, 128GB fladh drive
[23:47] <[Saint]> Ah. Right.
[23:47] <grandpa> 32gb with 320gb hdd
[23:48] <grandpa> <-
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[23:48] <grandpa> except / is on the hdd so the 32gb is pointless
[23:48] <vrmxm> I'd like to tack a laptop hard drive to it, but... case, power supply, etc.
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[23:48] <[Saint]> Well, I'm building this for my own uses, but the eventual idea is to distribute it as a means to easily deploy a preconfigured camera monitor.
[23:49] <[Saint]> Idea being plug it in, plug in in one or more cameras (up to four presently, but I can extend this when I flesh it out for finalization), and then just let it do its thing.
[23:50] <[Saint]> It automatically compares differences in N frames over time and then picks the most statistically significantly different ones, and shows a timelapse of that.
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[23:50] <[Saint]> You can also ask it to show you, or package and send to a destination, a given range of images between two timestamps.
[23:51] <wcarson> anyone know how long it generally takes to receive your mpeg2/vc1 licenses? the email says 72 hours, but when checking out it said "delivered instantly via email"
[23:51] <[Saint]> The very last step will be providing a simple local webserver in the same package for viewing the images in a browser
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[23:52] <[Saint]> wcarson: mine have varied between taking ~24h and being literally instant
[23:52] <wcarson> interesting, thank you :)
[23:52] <[Saint]> well, almost literally ~2 minutes or so - that was probably more the fault of my email bouncer/redirection.
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