#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2016-08-07

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:00] <[Saint]> Ah, right, and they used the terrible standard that literally no one bloody uses with flipped ground pole.
[0:00] <[Saint]> Yeah, I found that one out the hard way.
[0:00] <[Saint]> The adapter is like $0.60 though.
[0:00] <ozzzy_> PP6 is ground, then PP25 and PP26 go to tip/ring on the stereo
[0:01] <ozzzy_> I mounted the jack on the case of the PiTop and now I just plug in speakers/headphones
[0:01] <ozzzy_> no messing
[0:02] <[Saint]> if you're just supplying stereo output, especially through a HDMI->VGA|DSI adapter, I would think the quality of the onboard jack to be marginally better.
[0:02] <ozzzy_> I'm using the onboard jack... just bypassing the 4-pole necessity =)
[0:03] <[Saint]> and adding a shittonne of complexity and noise.
[0:03] <ozzzy_> how
[0:03] <[Saint]> those adapters are always really terribly shielded.
[0:03] <ozzzy_> it's not an adapter
[0:04] <[Saint]> Hm? I perhaps I misread. I thought you were using a HDMI to VGA converter that supplied 3.5mm stereo.
[0:04] <ozzzy_> no
[0:04] <[Saint]> Ah.
[0:05] <ozzzy_> I tapped into the test points of the audio jack and ran it to a 3.5mm stereo jack
[0:05] <ozzzy_> so that 1) I had access to the audio from the outside of the PiTop and 2) didn't need a 4-3 pole adapter
[0:05] <[Saint]> Right, sorry, I did misread - I guess I wanted pksato.
[0:05] <ozzzy_> hehe... np
[0:06] <[Saint]> I read it as though you were both using the same/similar setup.
[0:06] <ozzzy_> if I did it again I'd use a different position for the audio jack
[0:06] <ozzzy_> but it works
[0:06] <ozzzy_> the Pi3 sure outruns my old atom netbook
[0:07] <[Saint]> I have a couple of HDMI->DSUB|DVI converters with 3.5mm audio out on them, and the audio on them is universally terrible.
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[0:07] <[Saint]> I mean the pi's 3.5mm audio is noisey as hell anyway (you can get it a LOT better by disabling their crappy dithering), but those converters add a /lot/ of additional noise to the audio source.
[0:09] <ozzzy_> I run mine into a Divoom external speaker generally... it converts stereo to mono and does a decent job
[0:10] * n3ob is now known as n3ob-
[0:12] <[Saint]> Ah, right. Yeah. With that you could probably deliberately add a bunch of random noise to it and not even notice.
[0:13] <[Saint]> I finally got my media boxes around the house set up to play nicely with my Chromecast Audio receiver and "The Big Stereo" in the media room|lounge.
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[0:14] <k_j> hi
[0:14] <k_j> what's up
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[0:16] <[Saint]> ceiling, cavity insulation, roofing irons, sky, stratosphere, lithosphere
[0:16] <[Saint]> in that order.
[0:16] <ozzzy_> it's primary task is to run a video while I fall asleep LOL
[0:17] <ozzzy_> when they ship I'll get a pi speaker for it
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[0:17] <ozzzy_> er... pitop speaker
[0:18] <k_j> what is it
[0:18] <k_j> the pitop speaker
[0:18] <k_j> [Saint], what's in the cavity insulation
[0:19] <[Saint]> k_j: a couple of _reaaaaaallly_ annoying little birds.
[0:19] <[Saint]> lil' buggers nesting up in there. :-S
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[0:25] <vrmxm> Does anyone happen to use boilr on their Pi?
[0:25] <vrmxm> I'm not having luck getting it to "install" and I don;t see an ARM package
[0:26] <vrmxm> I'm not a Go dev so I don't really know how to set up a Go dev environment to compile it, either :(
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[0:28] <vrmxm> Oh, re: Pi audio from earlier, I recommend a $20 Behringer UCA202 if your Pi has an unused USB slot
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[0:37] <GeneraleRusso> good day guys
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[0:39] <GeneraleRusso> just a little question: why if i change the appearance of raspbian from PiX sometimes i end up with program windows with a black background?
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[0:39] <GeneraleRusso> changing it from anything that isn't PiX and Redmond to be precise
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[0:41] <GeneraleRusso> mmm, i guess i'll ask another evening, i just noticed now it is very late
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[0:59] <Smeef> Is there a UI suitable for running on a 230x240 display?
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[1:00] <oq> Smeef: cli?
[1:01] <Smeef> oq, besides CLI, lol
[1:01] <Smeef> GUI*
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[1:15] <daey> he raid feels strange as well
[1:15] <daey> as i see it therer are two ways to win it. a build one frickn giant loam bridge. or float the cavern?
[1:15] <daey> the raid*
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[1:18] <daey> lets just say my flooding didnt rsult in the wanted outcome
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[1:19] <oq> daey: what are you on?
[1:19] <daey> ?
[1:19] <oq> daey: which drugs
[1:19] <daey> ...
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[1:19] <daey> i got that t he first time
[1:20] <daey> i was asking why u ask
[1:20] <oq> daey: which channel do you think you're in?
[1:20] <daey> lol
[1:20] <daey> the fk. i started the conversation in another channel...i must have accidentally switched it o0
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[1:36] <taza> Any way to make NOOBS install a fat32 data partition?
[1:36] <taza> Or any easy guide to doing that after the fact?
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[1:43] <taza> tl;dr I have LibreElec on a 4gb stick, I want it to have a ~2gb FAT32 partition so I can just add media files using a Windows system
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[1:46] <[Saint]> taza: what's wrong with using the SMB share it exposes?
[1:46] <[Saint]> that is kinda the point of it.
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[1:50] <taza> Aaand back on ignore he goes.
[1:51] <taza> Anyone with actual answers to the question I asked?
[1:51] * CuriousCat is now known as PickledCat
[1:51] <taza> (That may look like being helpful to you; if so, I congratulate you on never speaking to him before.)
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[2:36] <UncleKiwi> hey guys, where is the best place to get me genuine rpi3 psu's
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[2:37] <taza> Depends on your region
[2:37] <taza> Also do you have a specific need for genuine?
[2:37] <UncleKiwi> i think its a safer bet
[2:37] <UncleKiwi> genuine
[2:38] <taza> What country you in?
[2:38] <UncleKiwi> New Zealand
[2:38] <taza> ... I got no clue
[2:38] <UncleKiwi> i got my last few from the raspberry pi swag online store
[2:38] <UncleKiwi> but they dont seem to sell them anymore
[2:39] <taza> Yeah I got no idea what the stores in Kiwiland even are.
[2:39] <taza> I mean if you can rely on them being genuine, there's a bunch of brands as good as RPi originals
[2:40] <oq> UncleKiwi: just go to your local electronics store, buy a micro usb power supply/charger that is at least 2A
[2:40] <taza> That's not necessarily a good idea
[2:40] <oq> you don't need an official anything
[2:40] <oq> taza: it's a perfectly good idea
[2:40] <taza> oq: And where are you from?
[2:40] <oq> taza: the uk
[2:41] <taza> Ever been to NZ? Or even Australia?
[2:41] <oq> yeah
[2:41] <taza> Then tell me, how good is their genuine to "chinese garbage stamped as whatever" ratio?
[2:41] <oq> I'm sure anything sold in a store would have to pass local regulations
[2:41] <taza> Hahaha.
[2:42] <oq> a physical store
[2:42] <taza> Oh that got me laughing out loud
[2:42] <taza> A hearty chuckle.
[2:42] <BurtyB> how about RS?
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[2:43] <taza> UncleKiwi: Yeah if you could link to reliable-ish stores, I could tell you what's as good as the original, because they do exist and are common, or you could wait for someone with NZ specific experience.
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[2:43] <taza> You don't necessarily need an original, any reliable brand from a reliable store will do.
[2:43] <UncleKiwi> i want genunie
[2:44] <UncleKiwi> genuine
[2:44] <UncleKiwi> 2.5A
[2:44] <taza> Fair enough. I can't really help, then.
[2:44] <UncleKiwi> quality power for the rpi is very very very important
[2:44] <oq> 2.5A thing is really a worst case scenario with you maxing out every usb port
[2:45] <taza> oq: A lot of the stuff in NZ will just pass mains directly to USB with a bump.
[2:45] <oq> UncleKiwi: the thing about the pi3 is if it doesn't like the psu you give it it will tell you by flashing its little red light
[2:45] <taza> It's not removed from sale until it's been proven dangerous.
[2:45] <taza> Heck, the UK now operates like this.
[2:46] <UncleKiwi> oq: i have been down the path of using any old psu that works and have suffered for it
[2:46] <taza> Their safety test budgets are substantially reduced, so they react instead of making sure stuff is even safe, nevermind outputs what it says
[2:46] <UncleKiwi> now I prefer to just use the genuine ones
[2:46] <oq> taza: we have european conformity
[2:46] <taza> Hehehe.
[2:46] <taza> Ah, you of a lot of faith.
[2:47] <UncleKiwi> i dont like to gamble
[2:47] <taza> European conformity doesn't keep devices safe unless the enforcers are proactive and the UK ones most decidedly aren't.
[2:47] <UncleKiwi> well not with my rpi psu's
[2:47] <taza> UncleKiwi: Brands like Apple or Belkin, for example, aren't really gambling
[2:48] <UncleKiwi> its that sometimes they are put providing enough voltage
[2:48] <UncleKiwi> and the flash gets corrupted as a result
[2:48] <taza> Nokia and Samsung do mediocre. LG's eugh.
[2:48] <taza> Sony does pretty well.
[2:48] <taza> I like Anker but I dunno if they do Oceania.
[2:49] <UncleKiwi> oq: do you ever get the flash corrupted ?
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[2:49] <UncleKiwi> or is it less of an issue on rpi2 or 3
[2:49] <taza> Yeah that can happen with no-name supplies. Optimally you'd test it, the genuines aren't entirely 100% either.
[2:50] <daey> im using my trusty asus nexus 7 plug
[2:50] <taza> Oh, yeah, asus plugs tend to work very well
[2:50] <oq> UncleKiwi: no
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[2:51] <pksato> Earlier was using this PSU, and getting randon reboot. http://i.imgur.com/kAK8WvR.jpg
[2:51] <taza> pksato: You bought a power supply from dx.
[2:51] <UncleKiwi> oq: i had some very bad experiences with earlier pi with corruption of the flash and it was the psu
[2:51] <taza> Problem solved.
[2:51] <oq> pksato: that's an interesting country name
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[2:52] <taza> I mean I like DX, but I never buy the actual power supplies or batteries from them, because they have ~0 QA
[2:52] <oq> of course you're going to get garbage from dx
[2:52] <oq> the same with alibaba, gearbest etc
[2:52] <oq> those straight from china sites
[2:52] <pksato> I just buy to see if get fire from it. :)
[2:53] <oq> there's a big difference from buying from random chinese sites or ebay and buying from a physical store
[2:53] <[Saint]> Not really. The only difference is you get to examine the goods.
[2:53] <daey> do manufacturer pay for houses that burned down due to their sold parts?
[2:53] <[Saint]> Physical stores sell dangerous junk too my man.
[2:53] <daey> or in general 'damage'
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[2:57] <taza> So, I installed LibreELEC with NOOBS on a 4gb card
[2:58] <taza> What's the easy way to take back 2gb of that space and turn it into a fat32 partition?
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[2:58] <taza> Just pop it in my Debian box and use gparted?
[2:58] <taza> Or is there already a guide?
[2:59] <stiv> sounds like a plan. assuming you have free space, you shrink or add a partition and format it
[3:00] <taza> Will it do annoying things with partition alignment?
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[3:02] <stiv> it will generally do the right thing. you can mess it up by telling it where partitions start/end
[3:02] <[Saint]> taza: as above - why are you not just using the SMB interface provided by LibreELEC/OpenELEC/Kodi?
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[3:02] <[Saint]> SMB doesn't give a hoot about what the host or client filesystems are.
[3:04] <[Saint]> Are you familiar with Samba?
[3:04] <taza> Really need to figure out a separate perma-banish command for [Saint]
[3:05] <[Saint]> Why, because I keep pointing out that you're making your life needlessly difficult?
[3:05] <taza> My ignore resets every fifteen minutes because I don't want to be confused by half-discussions, but he keeps opening his mouth despite me requesting several times he shouldn't ever talk to me.
[3:05] <[Saint]> Cry some more hun.
[3:06] <[Saint]> Woe betide me for pointing out that you're making your life needlessly difficult by not using a supplied service that negates what you want to do entirely.
[3:06] <taza> I won't get into that whole garbage, but I have a good reason to keep ignoring literally everything he says.
[3:07] <[Saint]> I'm not sure "being a stubborn <expletive>" counts as a reason.
[3:07] <[Saint]> One thing I am sure of is that I absolutely do not care of your personal opinions about me.
[3:08] <stiv> sounds like a perfect use case for the Ignore command
[3:08] <[Saint]> I mean, I would find it hard to dislike you any more than I do - but I'm still civil unless prompted and I still find it prudent to point out ways someone could make their life easier.
[3:08] <taza> stiv: I put him on ignore again, it just resets every time I reconnect or when 15min have passed because I use it mostly to cool down.
[3:08] <[Saint]> This includes even you.
[3:09] <taza> I'm pretty sure I'm scripting something that just pipes him to /dev/null, because he just doesn't get the message of "I don't want you to talk to me, ever, for any reason."
[3:09] <taza> But that'll have to wait until I have more time.
[3:09] <[Saint]> If only you understood you have no rights here.
[3:10] <[Saint]> I'll talk to whom I please.
[3:10] <[Saint]> I was nothing but civil.
[3:10] <oq> can you guys argue in pm, this is really boring
[3:10] <taza> oq: He's on ignore from my side, so.
[3:11] <oq> taza: I don't believe you
[3:11] <taza> Don't
[3:11] <[Saint]> Nor do I.
[3:11] <oq> an ignorer doesn't repeat over and over how they are ignoring someone
[3:11] <oq> they just ignore and there's silence
[3:12] <taza> I answered to someone else giving me a suggestion
[3:12] <[Saint]> If he put me on ignore he couldn;t get bitter about me existing.
[3:12] <[Saint]> he seems to need that in his life.
[3:12] <binaryhermit> This is petty as heck
[3:12] <[Saint]> why? I dunno.
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[3:13] <popsch> is it complicated to compile docker from source? It seems that the current raspian docker package is no longer allowed to access dockerhub. you need at least docker version > 1.5
[3:13] <[Saint]> I was nothing but civil to him today, and honestly I have no idea what he's even talking about - but apparently I ruffled his delicate feathers.
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[3:15] <[Saint]> All I did was point out how to add media to LibreELEC/OpenELEC/Kodi the "right" canonical, filesystem agnostic way. If he or she wants to feel a certain way about that, so be it.
[3:15] <taza> Ahh.
[3:15] <taza> I actually decided to do it now.
[3:16] <[Saint]> Yeah, screw me right?
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[3:17] <oq> you should be bonding over your new zealandishness and love for hedgehogs
[3:17] <taza> So, if I make a 2gb data partition with the NOOBS installer, can I just switch that to fat32 using gparted?
[3:17] <ali1234> nobody who would know the answer to that uses NOOBS
[3:18] <taza> False.
[3:18] <ali1234> this is the ever present problem with simplified installers
[3:18] <taza> What is?
[3:18] <oq> that only beginners use them
[3:18] <taza> False.
[3:18] <taza> I've been here since the early days and I use NOOBS because I'm lazy and don't want to put much effort into a media card.
[3:19] <[Saint]> I really fail to see why "smb://ip.address.to.libreelec" isn't an option.
[3:19] <ali1234> but you don't know the answer to your question, or else you would have not asked it
[3:19] * [Saint] smirks
[3:19] <ali1234> and apparently nobody else does either
[3:19] <taza> I know fully well how to do it.
[3:19] <[Saint]> Evidently.
[3:19] <taza> I'm just asking if noobs expects it to be ext4 for any reason
[3:20] <taza> So it's not really a problem with simplified installers, it's a problem with half-documented software.
[3:20] <ali1234> i expect that noobs doesn't care unless you try to make it boot the partition
[3:20] <taza> Yeah I'll just try it when I got the spare time.
[3:20] <ali1234> noobs is actually quite well documented. the docs are just rather hidden
[3:20] <ShorTie> noobs goes on a fat partition
[3:20] <taza> ShorTie: That's not, uh, relevant?
[3:20] <ali1234> https://github.com/raspberrypi/noobs/wiki/NOOBS-partitioning-explained
[3:21] <taza> I'm discussing switching the data partition it can create to FAT
[3:21] <taza> Well fat32 obv
[3:21] <BurtyB> hum ho
[3:21] <ali1234> don't change the SETTINGS partition, that will break it, probably
[3:21] <oq> why are half the docs on raspberrypi.org half the docs on github?
[3:21] <ali1234> however you can most likely create whatever you want in the extended bit
[3:22] <ali1234> oq: the docs on raspberrypi.org are for users
[3:22] <ali1234> the docs on github are for developers
[3:22] <taza> I'm honestly just changing the data partition size to 2gb to suit my use case, and then putting it in my Real Person Debian box and changing it to fat32, for maximum lazy.
[3:22] <ali1234> i don't know what the "data" partition is
[3:22] <taza> It has an option to create a data partition
[3:23] <BurtyB> I'm just watching this until it catches fire and eats all the chickens
[3:23] <ali1234> well, that isn't documented, so i don't now
[3:23] <taza> As I said, half-documented
[3:23] <taza> Ohwell, trying stuff it is
[3:24] <taza> I mean the safest money is "it's not documented because the data partition is just a partition"
[3:25] <ShorTie> data to noobs would be the os's it downloads
[3:25] <ShorTie> i would guess
[3:25] <taza> We're discussing the NOOBS option to create a data partition actually.
[3:25] <popsch> when I install something with 'dpkg -i', does it check dependencies?
[3:25] <ali1234> if noobs doesn't put any files on it then it is a safe bet that it doesn't care what you do with it
[3:26] <ali1234> popsch: no. run "sudo apt-get -f install" afterwards to get missing dependencies
[3:26] <[Saint]> popsch: no.
[3:26] <[Saint]> bah - beat me.
[3:30] <popsch> docker > 1.3 is not available in jessie, so I downloaded the binary from http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/pool/main/d/docker/
[3:30] <mfa298> taza: I'm not actually sure creating a 2nd fat32 partition for windows will work, as (i think) windows will only ever mount the first partition on a SD/USB device.
[3:30] <taza> Euuugh
[3:30] <[Saint]> popsch: y u no stretch?
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[3:30] <taza> Yeah that's kinda why I asked.
[3:30] <popsch> unfortunately docker.io needs libdevmapper, but I cannot find it here http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/pool/main/libd/
[3:31] <popsch> no, I'm on jessie, stretch is not yet release, is it?
[3:31] <ali1234> popsch: docker is a huge complicated beast and probably needs many dependencies that aren't in jessie either
[3:31] <[Saint]> not officially, from RPF, but - who ares about officially?
[3:31] <[Saint]> *cares, even
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[3:31] <popsch> it's only libdevmapper that needs to be upgraded
[3:32] <[Saint]> 'sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list' replace jessie with stretch, 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade', and you're in stretch land.
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[3:32] <ali1234> popsch: if you don't want to go full stretch you can also use apt pinning
[3:32] <ali1234> but i have no idea how
[3:33] <mfa298> taza: you could always achieve something similar using a fat32 USB stick instead. Then you don't need to go changing the partitions on the SD card around, or failing that consider that [Saint]'s question about SMB is a valid question - you might have a good reason not to, but don't dismiss the idea for no reason.
[3:33] <[Saint]> you can't pin from a version above you, can you?
[3:33] <ali1234> i think you can. someone once told me you can anyway
[3:33] <taza> mfa298: I have [Saint] ignored due to repeated personal attacks.
[3:33] <[Saint]> Lies.
[3:33] <taza> mfa298: The reason I don't use SMB is because the device doing playback doesn't have internet connectivity.
[3:33] <ali1234> maybe. i don't really use debian that much
[3:33] <popsch> hm. I might try later, at the moment, I'm wondering where I can find the binary for libdevmapper. It's not in the main pool ( http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/pool/main/libd/ )
[3:34] <taza> A FAT32 usb stick would work, with a small enough USB stick so it doesn't pop out too much.
[3:34] <ali1234> popsch: it might come from a package with a different name
[3:34] <ali1234> or maybe raspbian stretch is broken, who knows?
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[3:34] <[Saint]> I believe the point mfa298 was making is that even if you did have me on ignore (which is very highly questionable and I doubt anyone believes this), it doesn't nagate the validity of the suggestion.
[3:35] <taza> My ignore clear script does come with an exclusion list, but I had to read my own code to figure out how it works and ugh.
[3:35] <mfa298> taza: that is a valid reason, although you could work around it by having the pi provide an access point service you can connect to for updating videos - I'm guessing it's some sort of kiosk device
[3:35] <taza> There's no hardware for it
[3:35] <popsch> the strange thing is that I don't even find the binary for jessie in that directory, and that should be around.
[3:35] <taza> It's a gen1 board with no ability to pull Ethernet and not enough juice for wifi
[3:35] <ali1234> popsch: dpkg -S
[3:35] <ali1234> tells you what package provides the file
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[3:36] <[Saint]> And, honestly, was "this board doesn't have connectivity" so hard to say?
[3:36] * ozzzy prefers URPMI
[3:36] <[Saint]> vs. "screw off with your valid (without context) suggestions!"
[3:36] <taza> mfa298: I mean I have a debian box, I could always just use that to write to ext4
[3:37] <taza> But, well
[3:37] <taza> I might just buy a miniature USB drive
[3:37] <mfa298> I'd probably go with a USB stick, if you really don't need much storage (I'm assuming kiosk type thing) you can get some fairly small USB drives
[3:38] <taza> SmartTV really
[3:38] <[Saint]> A nice PSU and a wireless dongle would be mor euseful one posits.
[3:39] <popsch> yes, the file is provided by "libdevmapper1.02.1:armhf", however, where do I find the binary package? I cannot find it in ( http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/pool/main/libd/ )
[3:39] <taza> Or really it's a way to staple home videos to an old tv with hdmi.
[3:39] <mfa298> [Saint]: wireless on the gen1 pi does get tricky (assuming he means its one of the 256 Model B's), they had poly fuses on the usb ports that tend to break wifi sticks
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[3:40] <oq> just bin it and but a 3b
[3:40] <oq> *buy
[3:40] <[Saint]> mfa298: I have a couple that work fine on the original 256 Model Bs.
[3:40] <oq> much less hassle
[3:40] <popsch> ah, it's under lvm2
[3:40] <popsch> interesting choice
[3:40] <[Saint]> But honestly, LibreELEC is going to run like a bag of ass on that raspi.
[3:41] <taza> oq: I literally just use it as a media playback device, I was just wanting to do it off the SD card instead of an USB stick.
[3:41] <ali1234> popsch: that's the source package name
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[3:41] <ali1234> popsch: check apt-cache show libdevmapper-dev
[3:41] <[Saint]> You can just use the kodi remote to send files to the device for playback in a dynamic cache.
[3:41] <[Saint]> they don't need to live on the device for playback at all.
[3:41] <popsch> and there's the blocker :) I would need to upgrade libc6 :) nope.
[3:41] <oq> openelec runs fine on my pi0 if I don't open the menu while video is playing
[3:41] <ali1234> kodi is nice
[3:41] <ali1234> annoying sometimes though
[3:42] <mfa298> I've run osmc quite happily on a 256mb pi (now on a 512mb model as that one stopped doing network/usb so i suspect the lan chip died)
[3:42] <[Saint]> Kodi is "nice", LibreELEC makes it into something functional.
[3:42] <ali1234> with all the different versions and it trying to download plugins from the internet and stuff
[3:42] <[Saint]> mfa298: was it not like running through mud?
[3:43] <[Saint]> The difference here between Rpi/Rpi2 and finally Rpi 3 is like night and day.
[3:43] <popsch> on a different topic, how successful is node red from IBM? I just found it, and it seems interesting. however, their repo only shows 800 additional nodes and work packages and the project has been out for more than 2 years now. So it doesn't seem like it's heavily picked up.
[3:44] <mfa298> [Saint]: it was more than happy on the pi1, if it's a supported media format then most of the decoding is done in hardware so doesn't need much cpu
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[3:44] <taza> And now I ended up redoing half of that code with improved readability
[3:44] <taza> Do Not Code After Midnight
[3:45] <mfa298> my only issue with osmc on the original pi1 was the wifi dropping out as it didn't have enough power to work properly - changed to ethernet and it was fine.
[3:45] <[Saint]> mfa298: I mean, it is certainly usable - but the difference between Pi2 and Pi2 even is rather severe.
[3:45] <[Saint]> *Pi1 and Pi2
[3:45] <taza> Yeah no the Pi1 is fine sfar as media playback goes. This media's 720p at worst too
[3:46] <[Saint]> throw some HEVC at it and watch it catch fire.
[3:47] <[Saint]> and wait for ~10s between each UI page.
[3:47] <[Saint]> I mean, it works - sure. It's passable.
[3:47] <[Saint]> But it sets a very low bar.
[3:47] <oq> the pi2 or pi3 doesn't have hardware hevc support
[3:47] <oq> I'd imagine they'd still choke on it
[3:48] <mfa298> well if I run out of Pi1's to run osmc on then I might upgrade it to a Pi3, but so far I don't see any benefit in spending money for a Pi3 when the Pi1 doesn't have issues. (My Pi3s are doign things where I do want the extra cpu/memory)
[3:48] <[Saint]> oq: Pi3 can do HEVC all day long.
[3:49] <oq> [Saint]: I'm sure there is some scenario where that is true, most usages for hevc would be 1080p or higher
[3:50] <[Saint]> And it'll do 1080p|i/24/30 without issue.
[3:50] <[Saint]> I wasn't saying that for funsies.
[3:50] <[Saint]> at 30 fps you'll maybe get some jitter when it is syncing up audio and video streams at the beginning, but after it sorts itself out, it's fine.
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[4:03] <binaryhermit> I've seen, umm, ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR video that's less than 1080p and HEVC
[4:03] <binaryhermit> hevc is h.265, right?
[4:03] <binaryhermit> I never downloaded it, because that would be illegal
[4:06] <ozzzy> most of what I watch is in 480 SD
[4:07] <binaryhermit> if you search a well-known torrent site for hevc 720p you get approximately 50840 results
[4:07] <oq> binaryhermit: yes
[4:08] <binaryhermit> and the entire first page claims to be 720p and hevc
[4:08] <oq> those sorts of uploads are usually over compressed garbage
[4:08] <oq> a new video codec becomes popular so everyone tries to make file sizes as small as possible
[4:09] <binaryhermit> I've never tried to watch hevc
[4:12] * binaryhermit just heard either 2 explosions or 2 gunshots
[4:12] <binaryhermit> make that 4
[4:12] <ozzzy> I'm just glad I can watch most mkvs now
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[4:19] <binaryhermit> upon further review of more explosions, I believe they were fireworks
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[4:31] <niston> I wonder, does PiAware really need a Pi3 ?
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[4:32] <[Saint]> niston: I sincerely doubt it.
[4:33] <oq> niston: well the filename has armhf so presumably it needs pi2+
[4:33] <[Saint]> pi 2 should be fine if it is a computational limit.
[4:33] <niston> thought so
[4:33] <niston> pi3 produces more heat and uses more power than pi2, right ?
[4:34] <ozzzy> I haven't noticed much difference
[4:34] <oq> yes
[4:34] <ozzzy> I run them both from a USB3 port and the tempertures are about the same
[4:35] <oq> don't usb 3 ports only provide 900ma max..?
[4:35] <ozzzy> doesn't matter... .it works
[4:35] <niston> ozzzy: interesting though, no low voltage warning rainbowy rectangle?
[4:36] <ozzzy> nope
[4:36] <ozzzy> I'll see if I still have that image... Pi2 in a case with an HDD, wifi dongle, kbd/mouse dongle and usb stick
[4:36] <ozzzy> running from my USB3 hub
[4:37] <niston> hmm
[4:38] <niston> that hub might actually just feed it's ports straight 5VDC, I've seen plenty of them doing such.
[4:38] <ozzzy> http://ozastro.ca/images/pi2.jpg
[4:40] <ozzzy> I just ordered a 2nd pi3
[4:40] <ozzzy> to replace the one that's in the PiTop
[4:41] <ozzzy> I'll probably run OpenELEC on it
[4:42] <ozzzy> and put the Pi2 in service as my network gateway
[4:43] <oq> wait for it
[4:43] <oq> damn.. nothing?
[4:44] <ozzzy> depends... what're you waiting for
[4:44] <oq> usually [Saint] jumps in right about now and evangelises libreelec
[4:44] <ozzzy> ahhh... religious war
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[4:51] <MustBeTaken> in jessie, is there a way to prefer one wifi network over the other?
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[4:52] <[Saint]> oq: call it "evangelizing" if you want, but last time that happened and you were involved, you didn't even know that OpenELEC was deceased.
[4:53] <[Saint]> So...yeah, pointing people to active development, ...what a terrible person I am.
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[4:53] <[Saint]> It's a real problem, everyone knows about OpenELEC, but no one seems to gather that it is a dead project with zero hope of going forward.
[4:53] <[Saint]> A bajillion old docs with high search rankings.
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[4:54] <[Saint]> No one wants OpenELEC on a rpi. It offers nothing LibreELEC doesn't, and LibreELEC offers a lot more.
[4:54] <[Saint]> I'm such a terrible person for trying to make sure OpenELEC users find that out before they get too invested.
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[5:08] <ozzzy> well... if all one wants to do is watch videos on the lan one doesn't need a full feature set
[5:10] <[Saint]> If one wants to watch DVDs, at all, period, without first transcoding...OpenELEC is a null route.
[5:11] <ozzzy> I can just use the blueray that's there to do that
[5:11] <ozzzy> all I need is it to see the DLNA server to play videos for the g'kids
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[10:27] <Matt-__> anyone got any idea why my kodi doesnt seem to save the skin settings i make..? on reboot its to the same default settings
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[10:48] <NedScott> Matt-__: when Kodi shuts down it writes settings files. Often something might stall it during that process. in v16 this became worse for skin settings because they were saved at a later step, and were more likely to be on the other side of the stall.
[10:49] <NedScott> a temp workaround is to just switch skins for a moment, which forces your first skin settings to be saved right away
[10:49] <NedScott> then switch back
[10:49] <NedScott> it should be "better" in v17, from what I hear
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[10:56] <[Saint]> NedScott: no need to guess, it is.
[10:56] <[Saint]> rpi+LibreELEC Krypton has been a thing for a few months now.
[10:56] <NedScott> yes, I'm well aware
[10:57] <[Saint]> Ever since OpenELEC died and LibreELEC became a thing there's been a /lot/ of things that are infinitely better.
[10:57] <NedScott> indeed
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[10:58] <[Saint]> Well...OpenELEC maintains it isn't dead. I maintain they're (he) is (are) kidding them(him)selves(self).
[10:58] <binaryhermit> sounds python-esque
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[10:58] <[Saint]> Heh.
[10:59] <binaryhermit> like, from the beginning part of "holy grail"
[10:59] <[Saint]> I like Kodi on the raspberrypi just fine.
[11:00] <NedScott> it's hard for me to tell since I never had the skin saving issue in my installs, but they're fairly light weight. Not a lot of service add-ons or weird things
[11:00] <[Saint]> But I really think that LibreELEC (previously OpenELEC) makes it a complete package.
[11:00] <NedScott> probably not the right combo of issues to trigger it
[11:00] <[Saint]> Are you using Kodi and a host OS, or Libre|OpenELEC?
[11:01] <[Saint]> The former is less than satisfactory still.
[11:01] <NedScott> Kodi isn't an OS :)
[11:01] <[Saint]> I'm aware of this.
[11:01] <[Saint]> notice "and a"
[11:01] <NedScott> oh, sorry, I misread
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[11:01] <NedScott> I use both
[11:01] <NedScott> I do a lot of testing for Android and LibreELEC
[11:02] <[Saint]> Ah. I'm sure you can concur at least in part that Kodi hosted on raspi is less than elegant, shall we say?
[11:02] <Matt-__> ok thx nedscott
[11:02] <NedScott> I'm not sure I follow
[11:03] <[Saint]> The sole kodi experience on a hosted platform leaves me feeling far less satisfied than it does when baked into a tiny embedded OS.
[11:03] <NedScott> oh
[11:03] <[Saint]> and LibreELEC additions are a major value add.
[11:03] <NedScott> yeah
[11:04] <[Saint]> Also - wow, I thought I was one of the few still banging away on unaccelerated Android.
[11:04] <[Saint]> Need Google to populate that damn AOSP rpi3 repo.
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[11:04] <NedScott> haha, yes
[11:05] <[Saint]> With a very highly overclocked raspi3, it can be just barely passable.
[11:05] <[Saint]> (I run mine at 1.55GHz)
[11:05] <binaryhermit> wow
[11:06] <[Saint]> Yeah, most of mine do.
[11:06] <[Saint]> But one "only" goes up to 1.45GHz
[11:06] <NedScott> nice
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[11:06] <[Saint]> Luck of the draw and buying a bunch from the same batch, I guess.
[11:07] <[Saint]> Some people can't OC even ~200MHz
[11:07] * binaryhermit wonders why Microsoft makes Windows 10 IoT core available for free
[11:07] <binaryhermit> like, how do they plan to make money
[11:08] <binaryhermit> as a publically traded company they're required by fiduciary duty to have some sort of angle on how they could make money
[11:09] <NedScott> they are also allowed to do things to help the company's image, such as charity
[11:09] <[Saint]> Yeah, gotta wonder the angle there.
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[11:10] <oq> binaryhermit: services?
[11:10] <[Saint]> I would gess they want to sell their SDK/Development platform?
[11:10] <binaryhermit> that's an angle on how they could make money
[11:10] <binaryhermit> or something like that
[11:10] <ShorTie> i would think it's not free for commercial use
[11:10] <NedScott> but even then, I guess you could say they want to make it easier for more developers to come to their platform
[11:12] * binaryhermit is just suspicious of Microsoft
[11:12] <NedScott> that's one area where MS has had issues for ARM
[11:12] <NedScott> hehe
[11:13] <NedScott> actually, is the Pi Windows IoT the only ARM thing they're doing these days?
[11:13] <NedScott> I think Windows RT is dead, right?
[11:13] <NedScott> oh wait, windows phone
[11:13] <binaryhermit> I saw an article arguing that the Softbank-ARM deal is the nd for Intel
[11:13] <binaryhermit> *end
[11:14] <NedScott> meh, for years people said ARM was the end for Intel
[11:14] <NedScott> at most, intel might be smaller
[11:14] <NedScott> there will always be a market for big beefy servers
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[11:15] <NedScott> but the consumer market might be lost to them in 5 or 10 years
[11:15] <NedScott> at least, as a very profitable market
[11:15] <binaryhermit> what processor does the dragonboard 410c use?
[11:15] <binaryhermit> because iot core supports that board
[11:16] <binaryhermit> oh, snapdragon 410
[11:16] <NedScott> it's all just a matter of time before someone creates some kind of sci-fi liquid processor, where the more liquid you pour in, the more powerful it becomes
[11:16] <NedScott> then the machines take over
[11:16] * binaryhermit binged
[11:17] <binaryhermit> then again, I have bing rewards
[11:17] * binaryhermit will freely admiyt that he's being bribed to use bing
[11:18] <binaryhermit> *Admit
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[11:20] <NedScott> not me, I'm an altavista man to the death
[11:20] <binaryhermit> does altavista even exist anymore?
[11:21] <NedScott> probably not
[11:21] <NedScott> maybe as a "brand"
[11:22] <binaryhermit> wikipedia thinks it redirects to yahoo search
[11:22] <binaryhermit> which is a branded version of bing, if I recall correctly
[11:23] <NedScott> yeah, yahoo sold all the search stuff to MS
[11:23] <binaryhermit> I actually find bing's results a little better than google's
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[11:34] <Zeno`> lol I blew up my mcp3204
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[11:37] * binaryhermit had to search for what a mcp3204 is
[11:37] <binaryhermit> https://www.microchip.com/wwwproducts/en/MCP3204
[11:38] <binaryhermit> Zeno`: what were you trying to convert from analog to digital
[11:38] <Zeno`> binaryhermit, note to self: do not connect Vdd to AGND on the IC
[11:38] <Zeno`> binaryhermit, an IR light voltage
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[11:39] <binaryhermit> also, apparently my tv tuner and external HD tend to disable the usb bus on my rpi 3 when both are plugged in, requiring a reboot to get usb back
[11:39] <binaryhermit> and the usb hd tends to cause the rainbow square in the corner to show up when plugged in
[11:39] <binaryhermit> though it doesn't nuke the usb bus
[11:40] <Zeno`> hmm
[11:41] <oq> get a better psu?
[11:41] <binaryhermit> I have a official RPi psu
[11:41] <binaryhermit> *an
[11:42] <binaryhermit> the 2.5A one
[11:42] <TheCubeLord> binaryhermit: what rainbow square
[11:42] <binaryhermit> the underpower one
[11:43] <TheCubeLord> is it yellow?
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[11:43] <TheCubeLord> *yellowish
[11:43] <binaryhermit> rainbow
[11:44] <TheCubeLord> do you have a screenshot?
[11:44] <binaryhermit> no
[11:44] <binaryhermit> but it's in the upper right corner and 4 colors
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[11:44] <TheCubeLord> also on a different note, why does my raspberry pi take screenshots by itself.
[11:45] <TheCubeLord> I don't even touch the prt scr button
[11:45] <oq> it's vain
[11:45] <TheCubeLord> ?
[11:45] <binaryhermit> similar to https://archlinuxarm.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=7566
[11:47] <TheCubeLord> binaryhermit: I get it when im connected to a vpn but its yellowish
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[11:48] <mfa298> TheCubeLord: yellow-red square means overheat, rainbow means undervolt
[11:48] <TheCubeLord> oh
[11:48] <TheCubeLord> its yellow only doh'
[11:48] <binaryhermit> and it's only when initially plugging in the hd
[11:49] <TheCubeLord> mfa298: but it only appears when Im using a VPN
[11:50] <mfa298> I think the overheat one might change shade, yellow I think is just starting to throttle the cpu, red might mean it's hit 85C and gone right back to the slowest speed
[11:50] <TheCubeLord> ok great, my vpn throttles my cpu
[11:51] <mfa298> you can poll the pi for it's temperature and how fast it's running.
[11:51] <gordonDrogon> it's probably using software encryption/compression - and I think there is no hardware option on the Pi.
[11:51] <TheCubeLord> how
[11:52] <mfa298> "vcgencmd measure_temp" will give you temperature and "vcgencmd measure_clock <something>" will give you the current clock speed
[11:53] <mfa298> you'll need to search for what the something is as I'm not sure off hand
[11:53] <TheCubeLord> temp=53.7'C is my pi3's average
[11:54] <TheCubeLord> why did they make the pi3 overheat so fast
[11:54] <mfa298> the value from those commands isn't an average, it's the current reading
[11:54] <TheCubeLord> I have a freakin tor server running right noe
[11:54] <oq> why?
[11:54] <TheCubeLord> mfa298: i did the command a couple of times
[11:55] <TheCubeLord> oq: ?
[11:55] <mfa298> at 53C it won't be throttling, the chip is designed to go up to 80C
[11:56] <TheCubeLord> so the vpn makes my pi go over 80C
[11:56] <gordonDrogon> if the tor server is handling encrypted threads then each thread is going to run a core to 100% utilisation just handling the encryption.
[11:57] <TheCubeLord> well it does not do that
[11:57] <mfa298> if it's staying at a higher clock speed it will go up to 80C, once the SoC reaches 80C it'll start to throttle the frequency a bit to keep itself at 80C
[11:57] <gordonDrogon> run top, then press '1' in the window to see all 4 cores utilisation.
[11:58] <TheCubeLord> tor appears every now and then
[11:58] <TheCubeLord> I also use zsh
[11:59] <mfa298> TheCubeLord: this is what I was getting out of my Pi3 for temperature and clock speed a couple of months ago http://imgur.com/CnzQhUu
[12:00] <mfa298> you can see the temperature was sitting around 80C and the clock had throttled to around 1.1GHz
[12:00] <mfa298> although for a bit the temperature was lower and the clock went to it's full 1.2GHz
[12:01] <TheCubeLord> if you want my tor link here it is: ronionzok57lv5vp.onion
[12:01] <TheCubeLord> there is bearly anything on it
[12:02] <TheCubeLord> im planning to make it a social media
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[12:17] <Trieste> hello, I gather that the raspi has hardware accelertion for decoding, correct? which codecs? I wasn't able to find this anywhere on site
[12:20] <Trieste> (I mean the original model B)
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[12:21] <oq> Trieste: http://kodi.wiki/view/Raspberry_Pi_FAQ#Video_and_audio_formats_the_Raspberry_Pi_can_playback
[12:21] <Trieste> <3 oq
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[13:12] <patrask> does the armv8 in rpi 3 support the NX-bit (XN on ARM i guess)?
[13:13] <Zeno`> hmm I need something more reliable for Vref; pi is outputting 5.17V atm and that messes things up
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[13:13] <Zeno`> I suppose I need something better for the voltage into the IR-to-voltage converter as well
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[13:15] * ShorTie Thinkz, rpi3 still compiles only armv6, check 'gcc -v'
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[14:08] <Zeno`> I did it again! (put on headphones to continue playing text adventure)
[14:17] <Encrypt> <Zeno`> I did it again! // https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfBQ3bNNwHs
[14:17] <Encrypt> :D
[14:17] <Zeno`> heh
[14:18] <Vad3r> sounds like a britney song...
[14:18] <Zeno`> it does sound rather british
[14:20] <Encrypt> Vad3r, Indeed, it is a cover
[14:21] <mfa298> pretty sure that's not a british singer,
[14:21] <Vad3r> indeed.
[14:22] <mfa298> in fact wiki says he's German https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Raabe
[14:22] <Vad3r> he? :P britney is American
[14:23] <Zeno`> oops, I thought you said brittany which is in France anyway. My bad
[14:23] <Vad3r> lol
[14:23] <mfa298> the person in that cover,
[14:23] <mfa298> which I thought was what Zeno` was refering to
[14:24] <Viper168> the dudesons had/have a pig named britney named after britney spears
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[15:17] <mbwe> Hi everybody, question i have a raspberry pi 3 with xubuntu installed on it, But it seems i don't get ethernet network when the hdmi cable is not plugged into the pie, any ideas?
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[15:54] <Uber> mbwe; power issue?
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[16:06] <sveinse> I have two rpis rev B 1.2, and I'm setting up raspbian minimal 2016-05-27. I connect them both to the same monitor, and one boots with high resolution on the screen, while the other sticks at 640. Why is that?
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[16:20] <sveinse> Even if I set the framebuffer_* settings /boot/config.set, one gives good output (yet with significant overscan), while the other fills the screen horizontally, but I can barely read the screen.
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[16:22] <giddles> hdmi_force=4?
[16:22] <giddles> or what was it again?
[16:22] <giddles> put more power on your hdmi plug
[16:23] <sveinse> giddles, is is probable that there are slight hardware changes between the two boards that makes them behave differently on the same monitor?
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[16:23] <giddles> no idea sir, im only hobbyist
[16:24] <sveinse> hdmi_drive=2 I believe
[16:24] <giddles> use 4
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[16:24] <giddles> thats max
[16:25] <sveinse> perhaps you're talking about config_hdmi_boost=4 then?
[16:26] <giddles> i dont know actual
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[16:27] <giddles> ja true, drive awas hdmi vs div?
[16:27] <giddles> dvi
[16:27] <sveinse> do you know how I can read what mode it use and detected?
[16:27] <giddles> sorry, read the conf and set then the booster (i hope) [read the txt] to max
[16:27] <giddles> max value i only remember, it was 4
[16:28] <giddles> and fixed my problems
[16:29] <sveinse> but drive strength is not my issue (I believe) as my display is clear and good. It's just at the wrong resolution and the two boards behave differently on the same setting
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[16:43] <Japa> Is it possible to get chromium 54 on raspbian?
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[16:47] <Japa> I had 51 working, but then after removing it in an attempt at upgrading, it no longer will install due to unmet dependencies
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[16:53] <vrmxm> So, hm. What's the most usable browser on the Pi (2) at present?
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[16:55] <fallingau> vnc to a windows pc ?
[16:56] <fallingau> :D
[16:56] <vrmxm> Ouch
[16:56] <vrmxm> That bad, eh?
[16:57] <fallingau> iono my pi is a paper weight atm
[16:57] <fallingau> been lazy
[16:57] <fallingau> depends on what sites ur visiting to be honest
[16:58] <vrmxm> Well, the more the better
[16:58] <vrmxm> But any GUI browser is a good start
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[17:02] <brainzap> hello piberians
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[17:08] <Japa> Okay, I solved my chromium issues by (surprise) apt-get update
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[17:09] <Japa> vrmxm, Chrumium works fine
[17:11] <BluesKaj-pi> japa ppa or chromium repos added?
[17:11] <Japa> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=121195
[17:11] <Japa> these
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[17:16] <BluesKaj-pi> Japa, does flash work on other sites as well ?
[17:16] <Japa> Never installed the flash plugin
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[17:18] <BluesKaj-pi> ok
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[17:33] <IanTLopp> What software do people use to create PCBs?
[17:34] <IanTLopp> I'm trying to make the smallest possible audio module for the PI Zero, and I don't want to just use a project board
[17:34] <fallingau> design or production ?
[17:35] <mfa298> IanTLopp: KiCAD seems to be gaining popularity and is opensource (so free)
[17:35] <IanTLopp> Well I want to take https://learn.adafruit.com/introducing-the-raspberry-pi-zero/audio-outputs and make a PCB out of it, basically. Willing to learn software.
[17:35] <IanTLopp> mfa298, thanks, i'll check that out.
[17:36] <mfa298> otherwise eagle seems to be the other popular option
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[17:37] <IanTLopp> I've got a friend with a laser cutter/etcher and he said just shoot him the design, and he can build it. so I'm trying to reduce the physical size as much as possible.
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[17:45] <SpeedEvil> Smallest possible would probably be a chopped down BT module
[17:46] <mfa298> the files you get out of KiCAD / Eagle might not be suitable for a laser cutter, although you'll also need to see if he can cut/etch pcb materials
[17:47] <IanTLopp> speedevil: well smallest possible by me, heh.
[17:47] <IanTLopp> just trying to do the basic resistors and capacitors for audio out on a zero
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[18:04] <kc4lzn> On RPi3 I have tried to autostart a program in .config/lxsession/LXDE-pi/autostart and it does start the program
[18:04] <kc4lzn> but when I look at the desktop through vnc connection, the program isn't there
[18:05] <kc4lzn> running top in terminal shows the program running but it is not visible on the remote VNC desktop.
[18:05] <kc4lzn> What am I doing wrong?
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[18:13] <IanTLopp> Looking for a 1.8" 320x240 screen for a Pi Zero, and a 5" 640x480 screen for raspberry pi 3 B. Touchscreen would be a bonus, but is not required. Capactive touchscreen even moreso
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[18:17] <kc4lzn> Looking for help in auto starting a program from the Desktop after a reboot.
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[18:17] <ali1234> IanTLopp: eagle or kicad for that
[18:17] <IanTLopp> ali1234, opted for KiCad, thanks :)
[18:18] <ali1234> also oshpark will make the board for you for like $2
[18:18] <ali1234> and it will be decent
[18:18] <IanTLopp> err.. wait... ali1234: was that to my previous query about designing a PCB, or are you suggesting using Eagle or KiCad to design those screens?
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[18:18] <ali1234> yes
[18:19] <IanTLopp> I... i wouldn't even know where to begin making a screen.
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[18:28] * IanTLopp hmms...
[18:28] <IanTLopp> thanks ali1234 about oshpark, I think this will suit well.
[18:28] <IanTLopp> I just need to figure out how to redesign the SNES controller now.
[18:28] <Rickta59> have you actually tried that audio circuit IanTLopp ? Does it sound ok?
[18:29] <IanTLopp> Rickta59: no, I've not - I'm on the road and trying to do as much away from hardware as possible. When I get home, I'll only have a couple of days to work on anything, so I need as much done out here as possible.
[18:29] <Rickta59> have you explored the different audio options?
[18:29] <IanTLopp> but it should be the same quality sound out as the standard PI, from what I understand, it's basically exactly what has been removed from the zero.
[18:29] <Smeef> FYI, if you want audio on a Pi Zero, you can use a USB hub and a tiny USB audio dongle
[18:30] <IanTLopp> rickta59: not sure of many options, just the one I mentioned, and the Pimoroni PiHAT
[18:30] <Smeef> by audio, I mean headphone jack/speakers
[18:30] <IanTLopp> the PiHAT would be great except it's too large. I'd love to use it though.
[18:30] <IanTLopp> Smeef: I'm actually going to have a headphone jack and a TINY speaker on the PCB I design.
[18:31] <ali1234> you should be able to build the audio filter in about 2cmx1cm
[18:31] <ali1234> smaller maybe
[18:31] <ali1234> biggest part will be the connectors
[18:31] <IanTLopp> ali1234: that doesn't sound too big... (imperial user here)
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[18:31] <Valduare> whats the project?
[18:31] <IanTLopp> I'm thinking about using a 2.5mm audio out.
[18:32] <ali1234> it will still be the largest part
[18:32] <IanTLopp> Valduare: make a fully functional 16-bit portable emulation system inside a Dreamcast VMU.
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[18:32] <ali1234> you could probably make the board the same size as the jack actually. with jack on one side and all components on the other
[18:32] <Valduare> heh never seen those vmu
[18:33] <IanTLopp> hence why I need the 1.8" screen.. the actual diagonal measurement of the VMU is 1.78" so 1.8" is the closest I've found, but it's an adafruit unit, and runs through SPI which is really slow refresh.
[18:33] <IanTLopp> Valduare, I'll get you a link, one moment.
[18:33] <Valduare> looking on wiki now
[18:33] <ali1234> hey look someone already made one http://www.sudomod.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=748
[18:34] <ali1234> and thats a oshpark board too
[18:34] <IanTLopp> no... NOOOO... noone's made my VMU yet... DAMN it..
[18:34] <IanTLopp> oh.. wait.. .nevermind - I thought you said someone made the VMU console.
[18:34] <ali1234> https://oshpark.com/profiles/Helder
[18:34] <ali1234> https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/qUEOjE0n
[18:35] <ali1234> that board isn't even a particularly efficient layout
[18:35] <ali1234> if you really want it small use 0402
[18:35] <IanTLopp> ali1234: I'm noticing that... I'm wondering how small it could be made with two sides used
[18:36] <IanTLopp> 0402?
[18:36] <ali1234> absolutely tiny
[18:36] <Rickta59> salt grains are bigger :)
[18:36] <shauno> hm, who's this Helder? curious about one of their boards
[18:36] <IanTLopp> damn, Helder is pretty cool though - I'm going to use the ideas behind what they're doing for my work.
[18:36] <ali1234> dunno
[18:37] <IanTLopp> ali1234: I may have to use that, but I don't know if I can physically solder that size resistors and capacitors myself.
[18:37] <shauno> curious if that Gameboy-Zero-PCB is meant to fit the original housing. if so, I might want it heh
[18:37] <ali1234> 0805 are easy peasy
[18:37] <IanTLopp> I can see the size - should be fine... just too big.
[18:37] <IanTLopp> and I've got to find an absolutely micro tiny lipo battery for this.
[18:39] <ali1234> 0402 components are 1mm x 0.5mm
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[18:39] <IanTLopp> damn, Helder's done a bit of cool stuff on there.
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[18:39] <IanTLopp> 0402: yeah... that's going to be an interesting challenge.
[18:39] <ali1234> to solder them you just need a regular soldering iron, narrow tip, and a toothpick
[18:39] <IanTLopp> is there anyone that can manufacture the PCB and then have the parts soldered onto it?
[18:39] <ali1234> that is expensive
[18:39] <IanTLopp> ali1234: and the ability to stop my hands from shaking.
[18:39] <IanTLopp> oh.
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[18:40] <IanTLopp> yeah, not worth it for personal project, esp. since i wouldn't be able to sell it.
[18:40] <IanTLopp> at least, not on a commercial level.
[18:40] <IanTLopp> besides, I haven't figured out how to use the dual connector at the top of the unit, yet.
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[18:41] <ali1234> on top of all the other problems this stupid backlight is nonlinear
[18:41] <IanTLopp> *might* use that as a kind of crossover cable connection for ethernet, but then I'd have to add ethernet to the board
[18:41] <IanTLopp> I'm only planning on making two of those units.
[18:41] <ali1234> use it for serial
[18:42] <ali1234> or even better
[18:42] <ali1234> use it for spi and program it to emulate a VMU
[18:42] <IanTLopp> what I *would* like to see is that Pimoroni PiHAT unit made super small, because then I could carry the modded VMU as my sound system too.
[18:42] <ali1234> then plug it in to a dreamcast
[18:42] <IanTLopp> that'd be epic, but I can't program to save my life.
[18:43] <ali1234> what applicable skills do you have?
[18:43] <IanTLopp> *might* do a really crazy camera hack - since the Pi ZERO 1.3 HAS to have that camera connector, and it's now at the top of the Zero - where I might position the top connector of the VMU.
[18:43] <IanTLopp> hardware, and a dream
[18:43] <IanTLopp> hah
[18:43] <IanTLopp> I've done a LOT of physical design. only recently got into the PI scene, and gotten access to a 3d Printer.
[18:44] <IanTLopp> so I'm trying to branch out. once I figure this out, I'll switch over to another couple of systems I'm going to make, and hopefully one of them can be sold commercially.
[18:44] <IanTLopp> err not systems, devices.
[18:44] <ali1234> VMU goes inside the DC controller right?
[18:44] <IanTLopp> ali1234, yep
[18:45] <IanTLopp> the connector is also used to connect two VMUs together to transfer data back and forth between them. I was considering using it as an ethernet connector so my two systems could connect and do networked multiplayer.
[18:46] <ali1234> so can you put your system into a DC controller and use it to play games?
[18:46] <ali1234> whats the pin out for the controller and VMU?
[18:47] <IanTLopp> no, the original intent wasn't to put it into the DC controller, but instead to have it as a nano sized Game boy Advance type system that can play all 16-bit consoles (well with the exception of the SNES - no extra buttons)
[18:47] <IanTLopp> I have the pinouts somewhere, specifically for the VMU, but that's more of an afterthought
[18:47] <ali1234> yeah but with the DC controller, right?
[18:47] <IanTLopp> nope.
[18:47] <IanTLopp> with those tiny buttons
[18:47] <IanTLopp> hence the reason it can't be used for SNES
[18:48] <IanTLopp> unless I have an external controller - but that defeats the purpose of the micro tiny size.
[18:48] <IanTLopp> though it *would* be pretty goofy to set it up so that it works like I want, but plug it into the DC controller and then I could play SNES games
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[18:50] <ali1234> you would have to put a dreamcast pad connector on it somehow
[18:50] <ali1234> and then plug the cable into the VMU
[18:50] <IanTLopp> ali1234: why? it has controls, and all 16 bit consoles, except for the SNES had only four face buttons and a D-Pad
[18:51] <ali1234> i just think it would be funny to do
[18:51] <IanTLopp> admittedly, it would be - but that is a LOT more work than even *I'M* trying to do.
[18:51] <ali1234> if you make a VMU and DC controller that can play all 16 bit games and also still function as originally intended
[18:51] <IanTLopp> if I succeed with my first idea, then I'll look into doing it that way - that would actually be pretty cool.
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[18:52] <ali1234> i would suggest wiring SPI to the VMU connector anyway
[18:52] <ali1234> how do you connect two VMUs back to back?
[18:53] <ali1234> it has like a reversible connector?
[18:54] <IanTLopp> just the way it's designed. it has two connectors on top, one is female, the other is male - and they're designed to plug into each other, effectively (though they're permanently mounted) so the female plugs into the male connector of the other VMU and vice versa
[18:54] <IanTLopp> kind of like if you plugged two 9-volt batteries into each other.
[18:54] <IanTLopp> I gotta go for now - lunch run
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[18:54] <taza> I've got an og VMU, heh
[18:54] <taza> And basically all of those consoles
[18:55] <ali1234> someone already did it: http://assemblergames.com/l/threads/bacterias-portable-dreamcast-handheld-console-intodream.24490/
[18:55] <taza> Most of them in not-pristine condition though
[18:55] <ali1234> oh wait, no they didnt
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[19:37] <taza> Hey ali1234
[19:37] <taza> Easy solution: Just pack chaff data in the Recovery partition pre-noobs
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[19:38] <taza> Noobs resizes the recovery partition upon first install and that's it
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[19:49] <Rickta59> if i'm running tightvncserver does it use the graphics processor? or is it just using a framebuffer and code?
[19:50] <Rickta59> * I'm kind of amazed at how well an rpi zero works as a headless machine over the usb ethernet
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[19:50] <consolejazz> I'm fairly certain the answer is going to be 'no', however, is there any way to get a Raspbian Jessie Lite image written to a 2GB microSD, and later, install the most basic of desktop environment (or just window manager) to have a GUI if need-be?
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[19:51] <consolejazz> Given the small microSD card size it won't install lightdm and related pkgs without reaching capacity. of course, want to leave little bit of extra room on microSD as well
[19:51] <orb> i keep forgetting that i have a zero.
[19:51] <consolejazz> This is on a Rasp Pi Zero btw
[19:52] <consolejazz> hmm, I see that XDM might be a possibility. I was going LightDM route for display manager earlier..
[19:52] <Rickta59> have you tried tightvncserver consolejazz ?
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[19:53] <Rickta59> not sure it would fit i guess with all the x stuff
[19:53] <consolejazz> Rickta59: yup, can't remember if it was you that I chatted with about that yesterday
[19:53] <Rickta59> probably not
[19:53] <consolejazz> But I did get tightvncserver installed on RPi2 and that's working great
[19:53] <Rickta59> i lurk mostly ;)
[19:54] <consolejazz> Rickta59: however, I'd still need some form of minimal desktop environment/display manager. Currently on the Pi0 it's running headless. Like I said, wanted ability to have GUI desktop just in case
[19:54] <consolejazz> But only the most minimal, lightweight of one
[19:54] <Rickta59> why not just use a larger sd card?
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[19:54] <giddles> tightvnc and stuff are a threat to security
[19:54] <consolejazz> Rickta59: giving myself a little challenge while I await the larger SD card I ordered :)
[19:55] <consolejazz> Want to test capability of device
[19:55] <Rickta59> what would that be giddles ?
[19:55] <consolejazz> giddles: not really.. if you restrict access to `localhost` only. Use secure transport like SSH to access it..
[19:55] <Rickta59> yeah i'm only running over usb ethernet i don't see what threat would be
[19:55] <consolejazz> x2go is also a fine option. Everything already tunneled over SSH
[19:56] <giddles> munch exploits available
[19:56] <consolejazz> k
[19:56] <giddles> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ngxQqep7t0
[19:56] <giddles> i hope its legal to watch in your countr
[19:56] <giddles> y
[19:56] <giddles> :D
[19:56] <giddles> i think here it is, on educational purpose
[19:57] <consolejazz> giddles: mind giving a synopsis?
[19:58] <giddles> i dont share here exploits for vnc man ;) im not a criminal im just paranoid
[19:58] <giddles> google itself
[19:58] <giddles> :D
[19:58] <giddles> no magic behind
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[19:59] <consolejazz> giddles: okay, no thanks, but thanks for sharing
[19:59] <consolejazz> #r_netsec good for that sort of discussion, too
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[19:59] <giddles> well since you can install a sshd on lego toy computers
[19:59] <giddles> ..
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[20:02] <consolejazz> giddles: I don't get what you're saying now regarding SSHd
[20:02] <consolejazz> Just trying to follow you..
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[20:02] <pwillard> It's been known for a long time that TightVNC isn't that tight
[20:03] <consolejazz> I don't understand, there's a flaw in the software or VNC protocol itself? If you've restricted VNC access to localhost, set a VNC pass, and are tunneling over SSH, what's the issue?
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[20:03] <giddles> im foreinger consolejazz
[20:03] <giddles> im on selfmade english
[20:04] <consolejazz> giddles: all good :>
[20:04] <Rickta59> I think tight refers the the frame buffer compression pwillard :)
[20:04] <consolejazz> giddles: keep up the effort, of course. All it takes is interest and motivation
[20:05] <giddles> theres a programm who can reprogramm a lego toy with ethernet as a spambot or whatever you like..
[20:05] <pwillard> Of course... that was my attempt at a pun... VNC has had known issues for years.
[20:05] <consolejazz> like one of those mindstorm things?
[20:05] <giddles> could be consolejazz, im too old for lego...
[20:05] <giddles> technically it installed just an sshd and the unknown can login
[20:06] <consolejazz> pwillard: issues inherent in the software or protocol itself, or, common failures to harden a VNC server install?
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[20:06] <consolejazz> :s/common failures/common user failures
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[20:08] <pwillard> VNC has always had some issues with user authentication
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[20:09] <taza> Does LibreELEC have built-in console functionality or do I need to ssh?
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[20:10] <taza> It's kicking against mounting the Recovery partition in NOOBS
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[20:13] <consolejazz> Speaking of embedded distros
[20:13] <consolejazz> Never had luck writing OSMC to SD card
[20:13] <taza> Sounds like you had luck
[20:13] <consolejazz> Raspbian, never an issue. But OSMC has been a headache and can't understand why
[20:13] <taza> It's OSMC
[20:14] <consolejazz> OSMC == Raspbian+Kodi, more or less?
[20:14] <taza> Nuuu.
[20:14] <taza> Raspbian + Kodi + The very worst of Freenode's attitudes
[20:14] <consolejazz> heh, what's the last bit about?
[20:14] <taza> I could go on for weeks. Don't use OSMC.
[20:15] <consolejazz> taza: got ya
[20:15] <taza> There's an infinity of problems resulting from mostly "works on my hardware"
[20:15] <consolejazz> taza: I was intrigued by idea of OSMC as it seems similar to OpenELEC, yet, I can still access the OS behind it
[20:15] <taza> I remember the time people got banned for using the wrong keyboard.
[20:16] <consolejazz> As an alternative, just run Raspbian and install Kodi from the apt repo?
[20:16] <taza> (Because OSMC guys didn't like Logitech at the time.)
[20:16] <taza> Yeah, much better.
[20:16] <consolejazz> taza: now, there's the whole embedded PC that they sell with OSMC preinstalled
[20:16] <consolejazz> tad expensive, too
[20:16] <taza> Watch yourself get banned for complaining something doesn't work on RPi because it works on their OUYA clone.
[20:17] <consolejazz> from *this* chan?
[20:17] <taza> No, obviously not, they've been mostly driven out for that stuff.
[20:17] <taza> I was actually surprised to still see it in NOOBS.
[20:18] <pintman> Can you suggest any programmable resistor to dim a LED programmatically?
[20:18] <consolejazz> hm, money getting to their heads?
[20:18] <taza> Nah they began that way too.
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> we don't ban here for stuff like that - we're not that petty...
[20:19] <gordonDrogon> pintman, maybe use PWM to drive it?
[20:19] <taza> It's the Freenode Problem: "I do it for free so therefore the reply to any criticism, suggestions or problems is: Why don't you do it yourself?"
[20:19] <pintman> gordonDrogon, PWM is not an option. I like to have it in Hardware.
[20:19] <taza> I'm trying to mount the NOOBS recovery partition as RO in LibreELEC
[20:20] <gordonDrogon> pintman, then an DAC and driver transistor...
[20:20] <taza> I'm pretty sure I'm wasting more time being lazy than doing this right.
[20:20] <gordonDrogon> pintman, oh - what about hardware PWM unit? (the Pi has 2, but there are many external ones - e.g. the same one the PiGlow uses ...)
[20:20] <taza> (Because I want to copy the media I want to use over to the SD in Windows.)
[20:23] <pintman> Thx gordonDrogon I will give it a try.
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[20:30] <pwillard> So let me get this straight, anyone that doesn't jump in and help you fix your problems is part of the Freenode Problem? Why do you even bother with IRC if you are so jaded?
[20:31] <taza> You couldn't possibly have arrived at that intepretation by arguing in good faith, so uh.
[20:31] <taza> gordonDrogon, this guy safe to ignore?
[20:33] <taza> Because no, freenode problem isn't that; but it very much is devs thinking themselves infallible and blaming users for bugs in their code and telling them to fork it if they don't like it.
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[20:34] <pwillard> And... being honestly curious gets me this response. I guess I should not be surprised. I mean... I think "It works for me" is a common response that also means they have never had to troubleshoot your specific issue. I get that.
[20:34] <Zeno`> taza, that doesn't really happen a lot
[20:34] <taza> No, OSMC has instances of just straight up banning people for using a common type of hardware.
[20:34] <Zeno`> all devs I associate with are eager for bug reports
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[20:35] <pwillard> Well, that's just silliness. Logitech=banned seems extreme (regardless how bad Logitech can be with some products)
[20:35] <pwillard> SO if they do that... they kind of suck ad being admins.
[20:36] <taza> It was a while ago, they may have given those admins the boot
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[20:46] <gordonDrogon> I'm not into Pi + media stuff myself, so I tend to ignore almost all that side of it :)
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[20:59] <grandpa> i love wireless logitech keyboards and mice that use the unifying receiver
[21:00] <grandpa> batteries last forever in them
[21:00] <ozzzy> hehe... Just had to change mine
[21:00] <ozzzy> like an hour ago
[21:00] <taza> I need to replace the batteries at least four times a year, clearly you're lying.
[21:01] <ozzzy> this is only the 2nd batt change in the keyboard.... I put a new one in the mouse about 2-3 times a year
[21:01] <grandpa> mine last way longer
[21:01] <grandpa> also by mouse i mean trackball
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[21:03] <grandpa> and touchpad...on the keyboard
[21:03] <grandpa> i miss my old kb
[21:04] <ozzzy> I miss my old Kensington trackball
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[21:07] <grandpa> :>
[21:08] <grandpa> this thing has been around so long that the switches for left and right click are difficult to satisfy
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[21:11] <Zeno`> You're clearly lying, grandpa. Mine work fine.
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[21:16] <Smeef> Is there a way to add an on-screen keyboard to the raspbian user login screen? I have matchbox keyboard installed, but it only works once I'm already logged in.
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[21:30] <grandpa> hehe
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[21:31] <grandpa> This also means that Linux is now at a stage where it's getting video card AMD drivers before the hardware is on sale.
[21:31] <grandpa> :3
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[21:44] <IanTLopp> grandpa: just saw your last couple of statements from 15:31:36 "This also means that Linux is now at a stage where it's getting video card AMD drivers before the hardware is on sale." thought, well that's interesting news - let me see what it's in relation too. Just spent the past 5 or so minutes reading backlogs on this channel and... WHAT THE HELL are you talking about? "This also means" suggests that it's in relation to
[21:44] <IanTLopp> another statement, but I can't find anything that's related...
[21:44] <IanTLopp> maybe I'm just confused...
[21:45] <BurtyB> heh
[21:45] * BurtyB thought similar
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[21:53] <consolejazz> unning latest Raspbian Jessie Lite and subsequently installed lxde + lightdm. On the desktop GUI I see the square low voltage icon, despite using 2A+ power adapter and having tried different USB cables. Time for new adapter?
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[21:53] <consolejazz> eLinux.org has massive table of power adapters/powered USB hubs, however, was curious what your guys' go-to power adapter was for powering RPi2 (as well as RPiZero)
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[21:55] <curlyears> Hi! I Crusty the Klown, and I am looking for some Pi filling.
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[21:57] <gordonDrogon> consolejazz, do you have anything plugged into the USB ports?
[21:58] <gordonDrogon> personally I use the foundation PSUs these days...
[21:58] <consolejazz> gordonDrogon: nope. All that's plugged in overall is HDMI cable and Cat5
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[21:58] <consolejazz> Apart from micro USB for power
[21:58] <gordonDrogon> however most of my Pi's are 'headless' so I'd not know if they undervolt or not ...
[21:58] <consolejazz> Considering disabling the insufficient power notification in config file
[21:59] * gordonDrogon ponders.
[21:59] <consolejazz> If after trying another couple adapters and cables the issue remains
[21:59] <gordonDrogon> can that be done?
[21:59] <consolejazz> yep, it seems so
[21:59] <gordonDrogon> ok. I'm not up to recent changes there..
[21:59] <consolejazz> Though, I can imagine RPi wouldn't officially endorse that
[22:00] <IanTLopp> What does everyone use their PI for that doesn't run it with standard I/O (i.e. keyboard/mouse or controller, and a monitor/lcd screen)?
[22:00] <IanTLopp> consolejazz, what do you mean headless?
[22:01] <Habbie> IanTLopp, headless means without keyboard and screen
[22:01] <consolejazz> gordonDrogon: see https://github.com/MichMich/MagicMirror/wiki/Configuring-the-Raspberry-Pi#rotating-the-screen-and-hide-rainbow-colored-cube
[22:02] <consolejazz> Not yet tried it
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[22:03] <IanTLopp> Habbie: ahh, thanks.
[22:03] <IanTLopp> so consolejazz, you seem to be doing stuff that I specifically asked a question for :) what do you use your PI's for when running headless?
[22:03] <taza> Eugh note to self: Kodi's reboot boots reboots Kodi, not the system
[22:04] <taza> IanTLopp: I use them for converting camera and audio feedback into electrical pulses so I don't run into any trouble.
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[22:06] <IanTLopp> taza: care to explain further? you have my curiosity, but then, your statement could seem to say, "I convert food into fuel so I don't die." i.e. you could be using clever semantics to play with me here.
[22:06] <taza> Ees a pun
[22:06] <taza> Sorry, nothing very useful, all I do headless is operate simple controls.
[22:07] <taza> Well all I do headless is lie there bolted to the table, when literally headless
[22:07] <taza> Mostly "home automation via ssh"
[22:07] <IanTLopp> taza: ahh..
[22:07] <IanTLopp> just trying to get ideas for other ideas..
[22:08] <consolejazz> IanTLopp: right now I use headless Pi for basic networking tasks. For example, run nmap on a subnet. Also, use it as a little test environment for trying out new Debian packages
[22:08] <taza> I mean I control simple controls to switch lights or fans or such on and off
[22:08] <consolejazz> As for network utilities, plan to soon set it up to monitor WAN connection, and to create log file and email me when it can't connect to WAN. I'll use that to send report to ISP
[22:09] <IanTLopp> consolejazz, neat...
[22:09] <taza> Mostly to the tune of "eugh I don't want to GET UP to operate the light switch / turn on the bedroom fan / etc"
[22:10] <IanTLopp> taza: actually I'd want to set it up for automated fuzzy logic scripts (rather than just timed scripts - have it do a lot of if-thens plus timing to come up with the proper routine to run to automate a house). Though I may make the first raspberry pi operated toilet seat.
[22:10] <taza> Trip report on adding a NOOBS media trick: Just add a bunch of stuff to the FAT32 partition before installing, noobs will automatically resize to accomodate that. Then SSH into LibreELEC, add a systemd mount as ro for the startup partition, and Bob's your creepy uncle.
[22:10] <IanTLopp> There's a lot of facial recognition software out there - just need to figure out how to do butt recognition so when I go in there, it raises the seat, when my wife goes in there, it lowers it.
[22:11] <taza> Yeah this is why I rfid tag everyone not me
[22:11] <taza> Just inject them with a tag. They'll get over it. Or get far away from you. Problem solved, either way.
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[22:13] <IanTLopp> HAH
[22:13] <IanTLopp> nice
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[22:20] <taza> But yeah I've literally just set it up so it remote operates simple power switches.
[22:22] <IanTLopp> feel like I want led walls so as I walk through a room, only my area is lit, like a horror video game that only shows you whats within a couple feet of you to scare you (or realistically just to reduce poly count).
[22:22] <IanTLopp> or, you know, I could just use a candle or a really crappy lantern
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[22:25] <taza> The infinite battle between things nifty to make and things convenient enough to maintain
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[22:31] <patrask> what's the relationship between archive.raspberrypi.org and raspbian?
[22:32] <patrask> it seems that some packages are available through both RPi and raspbian (eg. libraspbian-bin) but they reside in different components and depend on different packages
[22:32] <patrask> libraspberrypi-bin*
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[22:34] <taza> patrask: tl;dr the RPi project and Raspbian project aren't 100% the same
[22:34] <taza> So there's some Raspberry Pi Foundation packages.
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[22:37] <patrask> yeah i kinda figured. am i correct in assuming that the recommended/supported way of keeping the kernel up-to-date is to use raspberrypi-kernel from the RPi mirror and avoid kernel packages from raspbian?
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[22:38] <taza> Both of them are fine and supported, but yeah just go with RPi if you don't know why you wouldn't
[22:39] <patrask> alright, thanks :)
[22:39] <taza> It's an ancient morass of compatibility and such, thanks to Broadcom not releasing everything open source and the original / zero being armv6 and not armv7
[22:39] <taza> As always in Linux, blame Broadcom for having black boxes which make everything difficult.
[22:40] <IanTLopp> why do open source projects like PI keep using broadcom chips if that's such a common problem (not attacking, honestly don't know)?
[22:40] <taza> Cheap
[22:41] <BurtyB> and willing
[22:41] <taza> Broadcom has chips that are cheap as chips, but then the downside is they have some blackboxiness to them at all times.
[22:41] <taza> Which is fine if you're using them as-designed, and a complete nightmare at all other times.
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[22:45] <IanTLopp> taza: I wonder what kind of market there could be for a third party to come up and make supercheap chips and leave all the drivers open source.
[22:46] <taza> Seeing nobody's stepped up to the plate, no idea.
[22:46] <taza> I mean the original RPi had some severe issues because of cost.
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[22:46] <IanTLopp> makes me wish I had any sort of business sense
[22:47] <Smeef> Is it normal for both red and green LEDs to stay on after I soft shutdown my Pi 3?
[22:47] <taza> To be specific, Broadcom being Broadcom, the armv6 which is why Raspbian even exists, and power design
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[22:49] <taza> (Debian at the time had already dropped armv6 and only supported armv7)
[22:50] <taza> RPi2 fixed all of these except Broadcomitude
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[22:51] <IanTLopp> umm... does that mean the zero is not going to be supported as much in the future? afaik most distros for the zero are built off of debian, like raspian, openelec/librelec, retropie, recalbox, etc...
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[22:52] <taza> Raspbian can handle Zero/OG
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[22:52] <taza> It's specifically designed to, and the framework's there for years
[22:52] <taza> But a bunch of stuff that runs on RPi2/3 won't run on RPi0/1 'cause of it
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[22:53] <IanTLopp> damn that sucks.
[22:53] <IanTLopp> well at least my zero is only really going to be doing 16-bit emulation
[22:54] <IanTLopp> would *LIKE* to branch off to other goofiness... is there plans for an armv7 zero?
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