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IRC Log for 2016-08-08

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[0:00] <mendicant> Are there any downsides to using an rpi as a sort of frankenproject? i.e. dumping a bunch of coexisting smaller solutions onto one pi?
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[1:43] <ali1234> argh... not every function has to return true on success
[1:43] <ali1234> this is why exceptions were invented
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[1:44] <BurtyB> durty exceptions
[1:50] <ali1234> i just removed over 1000 lines of pointless error checking from a 2000 line source file...
[1:50] <[Saint]> it should return _something_.
[1:51] <[Saint]> one should always have success and error codes in any function reporting.
[1:52] <ali1234> no, that's nonsense. it is literally why exceptions exist
[1:53] <ali1234> so that you dont have to write code like this: https://bitbucket.org/justin_woodman/apds-9960-raspberry-pi-library/src/71f56ae9dda4c498ada3142e667ce0ed1f7b8d99/APDS9960_RPi.cpp?fileviewer=file-view-default#APDS9960_RPi.cpp-350
[1:54] <BurtyB> long live C :p
[1:54] <ali1234> 36 line function becomes a 12 line function with no change in functionality
[1:55] <ali1234> BurtyB: that's not C code though. if it was then fair enough :)
[1:55] <BurtyB> ali1234, I guessed not since you're pro exceptions ;)
[1:55] <ali1234> if you look inside any of those functions it calls and then checks the result of, they do the exact same thing
[1:56] <[Saint]> I agree that's a particularly ugly way of handling it, but I personally think functions should return true.
[1:56] <ali1234> like set mode has if(!real_i2c_write(...)) return false; return true
[1:57] <ali1234> whoever wrote this code went as far as making getters that return bool success and then put the value you asked for into a parameter. just what
[1:57] <[Saint]> well, if not true/false, then some form of human parseable run code.
[1:59] <ali1234> yeah, exceptions... check for the error where it actually happens and then throw it... none of the rest of your code needs to know about it. either something eventually catches it or the program crashes. which in the case of these "return false on error" functions usually means the same thing
[1:59] <ali1234> can you imagine writing a program where you try to read the green ambient light value and it fails, and you have a special way of handling that exact situation?
[2:00] <ali1234> beyond just saying "welp, it died, better quit"
[2:01] <[Saint]> Well, if _anything_ dies, it should quit.
[2:02] <[Saint]> Perhaps I'm just oldschool in that way of thinking.
[2:02] <[Saint]> I like to babysit with my code.
[2:02] <ali1234> and if that is all you want, just don't bother to catch the exceptions :)
[2:03] <ali1234> that way you'll even get a free backtrace in high level languages
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[2:19] <ali1234> hmm how odd... these ready salted crisps taste like cheese & onion
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[2:48] <ali1234> cool
[2:48] <ali1234> it actually works now
[2:51] <Uber> Anyone know any working Promo Codes for Pimoroni ? shipping to USA is expensive :(
[2:51] <IanTLopp> what works?
[2:51] <ali1234> Uber: there was one last week. but that sale is over now
[2:51] <IanTLopp> Pimoroni? the PiHAT DAC?
[2:52] <Uber> damn didn't know there was a sale going on
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[2:52] <ali1234> IanTLopp: apds9960 gesture driver now works after i removed all the pointless error checking and rewrote it to use i2c block transfers
[2:52] <ali1234> and fixed the irq deadlock
[2:52] <Uber> There's no where to get good Pi supplies in the states
[2:53] <ali1234> it's about 3 times faster now, plus it doesn't use 100% cpu any more
[2:53] <Rickta59> pihut shipping isn't too bad
[2:53] <ali1234> it now uses less than 0.1% CPU
[2:54] <IanTLopp> Uber: what part are you looking for?
[2:54] <ali1234> Uber: just remember, GBP is in the toilet so you are getting a discount no matter what
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[2:55] <Rickta59> are you looking for a DAC Uber ?
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[2:55] <Uber> IanTLopp; some random HATs, and a Pi3 and Pi0
[2:55] <Uber> No don't need a DAC
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[2:55] <Rickta59> arrow had free shipping a while back
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[2:56] <Rickta59> and the rpi 3 was $35 then
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[2:56] <IanTLopp> isn't adafruit in the US?
[2:56] <Rickta59> expensive shipping though
[2:56] <Uber> Adafruit are a bunch of overpriced DBs
[2:56] <IanTLopp> ahh... ne'ermind heh.
[2:56] <Rickta59> unless you are spending a lot
[2:57] <IanTLopp> well I need to get a few Zeros, and it's all limit 1, so damn..
[2:57] <Uber> Just order from different stores
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[2:57] <Uber> Pi Hut and Pimoroni have them in stock
[2:57] <Uber> Adafruit has them, but they only sell them with their over priced Kits
[2:58] <ali1234> what about buying direct from farnell? they are world wide aren't they?
[2:59] <ali1234> don't think they have the zero though
[2:59] <Uber> They don't
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[3:01] <IanTLopp> yeah, I'd like to buy 5 of them when I'm ready, perhaps more - depending upon whether or not I can get the system to work the way I want.
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[3:01] <ghaberek> MicroCenter is a fantastic place to get Pi supplies in the states.
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[3:01] <IanTLopp> ghabarek: thank you
[3:02] <IanTLopp> ghaberek rather - can't type tonight
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[3:03] <Uber> ghaberek; there is not one anywhere near me :(
[3:03] <Uber> They don't ship much stuff, most of their stuff is IN STORE only
[3:04] <Rickta59> you need to find a friend who is close to one ;)
[3:04] <Rickta59> i snagged a rpi2 at a microcenter when i was on christmas vacation it was $29
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[3:05] <Rickta59> and i see they have the rpi3 now for $29.99
[3:06] <DaQatz> Closest microcenter to me is two states aay
[3:06] <DaQatz> away*
[3:06] <Rickta59> yeah me too
[3:06] <Rickta59> * probably a good thing ;)
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[3:07] <Uber> Just strange how Pimoroni Charges $29 for shipping but PiHut only charges 15
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[3:08] <Rickta59> i paid 5 for just one zero
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[3:08] <Uber> I have $120 work of stuff in my cart
[3:08] <Uber> worth*
[3:08] <Rickta59> newark shipping isn't too bad either .. just no hat i would guess
[3:09] <Uber> No Pi Zero either
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[3:10] <Rickta59> spend another 80 and I think you can get free shipping from adafruit
[3:10] <IanTLopp> WTF... no zeroes for shipping?
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[3:13] <Uber> I will not support Adafruit - I rather spend $30 in shipping from Pimoroni before buying anything from Adafruit
[3:13] <xamindar> why not Uber?
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[3:14] <Uber> Because Adafruit are crooked DBs imo
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[3:18] <IanTLopp> DBs? and how are they crooked?
[3:18] <ghaberek> There's always Amazon, I guess. Prices seem pretty crappy though. Having Prime can help.
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[3:21] <Uber> Its alright I just went a head and ordered from Pimoroni
[3:21] <Uber> People selling on Amazon are crooked DBs too.. One seller is selling the PiZero for $36
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[3:23] <IanTLopp> what do you mean DB?
[3:23] <IanTLopp> and how are adafruit crooked?
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[3:24] <IanTLopp> I'm not trying to be challenging - curious as to your knowledge on them as I've never ordered any of this stuff yet.
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[3:27] <Uber> They over charge for their products; provide little to no support for them; and their shipping prices are inflated
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[3:28] <Uber> I ordered a case from them, and they forgot to send the Lid... they wanted me to pay for the shipping of the lid or except a refund for the cost of the lid
[3:28] <Uber> so it was either pay for the shipping or have a case with no top
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[3:38] <[Saint]> IanTLopp: Douchebag/Dirtbag
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[3:41] <IanTLopp> Uber: thanks for the explanation. I wouldn't expect them to provide support for products that they don't make, but there are a number of adafruit items there too... hmm, well at least I haven't found an adafruit screen that suits my needs, otherwise I might be getting a crappy product - heh.
[3:41] <IanTLopp> [Saint], thanks for the acronym, wasn't sure what Uber was saying in that regard.
[3:42] <IanTLopp> still wish I could find SOMEONE that could make the screens that I need :(
[3:42] <IanTLopp> I know they exist, too... i've seen other products that HAVE the screens, but I can't find them for my projects
[3:42] <[Saint]> What screens do you need?
[3:43] <[Saint]> Also - it was pretty easy to dismiss Uber as a butthurt troll right off the bat.
[3:43] <[Saint]> I'm surprised you worried about it. :)
[3:43] <[Saint]> The resolution offered was perfectly adequate given there was no way for either party to provide the burden of truth.
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[3:44] <IanTLopp> [Saint], basically a 1.8" screen running at 320x240 and not running off of SPI
[3:44] <IanTLopp> and a 5" 640x480 screen... either or both having touchscreen would be a plus, especially if it's capacitive, but it's not a requirement
[3:45] <IanTLopp> I HAVE found a 5" screen that seems like it *should* work, with capactive touchscreen, but it's ONLY for the Banana PI/ Banana Pro, and I'm not sure if the parts are interchangeable.
[3:45] <IanTLopp> and I found a device that HAS the 1.8" screen, but I can't find that screen at all for sale :(
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[3:46] <Uber> Lol @ [Saint] he's just mad cause he has this "super project" that's nothing new/special
[3:46] <[Saint]> I'm not mad at all.
[3:46] <[Saint]> Just pointing out that you're ragging on a company for offering you a perfectly adequate conflict resolution process.
[3:47] <Uber> perfectly adequate conflict? you're a moron... I shouldn't have had to pay shipping on an Item I ALREADY paid the shipping on in the first place
[3:47] <Uber> If I had forgotten to order the lid, then yeah, but I didn't
[3:48] <Uber> So keep your ignorant comments to yourself, and mind your own conversation
[3:48] <[Saint]> And, I absolutely challenge you to find a single instance of a self stitching timelapse capture and ondemand video monitor that can be deployed from a single script from userspace in anywhere near the same footprint and in a completely headless fashion.
[3:48] <[Saint]> Uber: you're missing the point - can you prove they didn't ship it?
[3:48] <[Saint]> hint: no.
[3:49] <Uber> Yes I can prove they didn't ship is you dumbass.. its was on the order but never got it
[3:49] <Uber> hint: blow yourself
[3:49] <[Saint]> That's an anecdote hun. It isn't a proof of anything.
[3:49] <[Saint]> Please learn the difference.
[3:50] <[Saint]> They can't prove they shipped it, you can't prove they didn't - the resolution was entirely adequate.
[3:50] <Uber> You're a moron, no argument there.
[3:51] <[Saint]> Ahhh, the classic defense of resorting to insults/ad hominem when you can't make a valid argument.
[3:51] <Uber> You're ignorance is not needed here. I know they didn't send it. What reason would I need to have 2 lids?
[3:51] <[Saint]> Way to hold the moral high ground.
[3:52] <Uber> <[Saint]> Also - it was pretty easy to dismiss Uber as a butthurt troll right off the bat.
[3:52] <Uber> lol who started the bullshit "insults"
[3:52] <Uber> damn your stupid
[3:52] <[Saint]> The issue isn;t what you know, it is what you can prove, and neither you nor they can do either.
[3:52] <Uber> you're
[3:52] <Uber> Except I open all my Project main on Cam for my YouTube Channel
[3:52] <Uber> mail*
[3:53] <[Saint]> That proves nothing.
[3:53] <[Saint]> There's literally no way to prove this. For either party.
[3:53] <Uber> Kid, you're an idiot; I'm done arguing with someone with no common sense, and an IQ of a piece of shit
[3:54] <[Saint]> Cool story hun.
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[3:54] <Uber> Im not worried about it.. 'cause I paid for the $100 order via paypal, and just charged back the whole order. So free shit for me
[3:54] <[Saint]> Ahhh, so you're also a thief. What a jolly nice fellow.
[3:54] <ghaberek> Oh, sorry, seems I stepped into a room full of children.
[3:55] <ozzzy> gets that way some days
[3:55] * grandpa lurks
[3:55] <Uber> For sure :)
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[3:56] <[Saint]> So not only do you crap on a company for offering you a valid resolution, you go out of your way to steal from them. Excellent. That puts a lot of faith in the moral character now doesn't it?
[3:56] <[Saint]> But...you're done arguing, right?
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[3:57] <ozzzy> I've had a couple of orders not show up this year.... odd
[3:57] * stiv pets the Ignore button
[3:57] <[Saint]> ozzzy: were they tracked, or domestic post?
[3:57] <ozzzy> china post
[3:57] <Berg> hi stiv
[3:57] <[Saint]> Ah.
[3:57] <[Saint]> Well...
[3:57] <ozzzy> their tracking is good to the point of departure LOL
[3:57] * [Saint] nods
[3:57] <[Saint]> that's a gamble one takes.
[3:58] <ozzzy> yep
[3:58] <[Saint]> Sorry that happened to you.
[3:58] <ozzzy> but... I deal with them fairly... one actually showed up WAY late and I emailed them and offered to pay for it
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[3:59] <grandpa> i've had bad luck with powered usb hubs from china
[3:59] <ozzzy> the best tracking is on stuff from Japan using their EMS
[3:59] <IanTLopp> [Saint], so any thoughts on the screens I mentioned? or any thoughts on whether or not a screen designed for the Banana Pi would work for the Raspberry PI?
[3:59] <ozzzy> you can almost see where the damned plane is
[4:00] <IanTLopp> ozzzy: that's like Domino's tracking... so Japan is using Domino's algorithms... hmmm... (false causality - gotta love it)
[4:00] <grandpa> so does everyone start cursing after it_sean leaves? :P
[4:01] <ozzzy> cursing is the sign of an empty mind
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[4:01] <IanTLopp> grandpa: false causality man.
[4:01] <grandpa> o
[4:01] * grandpa shrugs
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[4:02] <IanTLopp> ozzzy: according to the philosophy that you just made up. Cursing has actually shown to have positive effects.
[4:02] <[Saint]> that resolution in a 1.8" form factor is...difficult.
[4:02] <grandpa> relieves pain
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[4:03] <IanTLopp> pardon, that came out wrong. I mean to say that cursing is not that. It is simply a method of expression, and sometimes it comes from people who've been raised in entirely different environments than others but is no sign of one's mental faculties or capacities
[4:03] <IanTLopp> and yes, grandpa, it relieves pain rather prudently.
[4:03] <grandpa> :)
[4:03] <ozzzy> IanTLopp, much better to say something useful
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[4:03] <IanTLopp> ozzzy: no doubt, but then it's much better not to say UM during a speech, but we don't say that shy or socially awkward individuals have empty minds.
[4:04] <grandpa> aye
[4:04] <IanTLopp> I think it might be a better assessment to say that those who refrain from cursing show signs of a well trained mind.
[4:04] <ozzzy> I would if they just threw f-bombs in randomly
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[4:05] <IanTLopp> I think anyone that has ever stepped on a lego can agree, however, that no amount of training can stop one from cursing under THAT level of pain.
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[4:05] <stiv> hey Berg
[4:05] <ozzzy> IanTLopp, that's reacting to physical stimulus... a whole different set of neurologic pathways are set in action
[4:05] <ozzzy> LOL
[4:06] <grandpa> i used legos to booby trap my room when i was a kid
[4:06] <IanTLopp> ozzzy: there are groups of people who use such speech as a normal method of expression. Their mental faculties are not to be judged by that, or the entire U.S. and British Navies are filled with... the empty-minded.
[4:06] <Berg> lego was invended by evil foot haters
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[4:06] <ozzzy> IanTLopp, as an ex sailor I'd argue that statistically that may be true
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[4:07] <IanTLopp> ozzzy: may be, and are, are two entirely different concepts
[4:07] <ozzzy> hehe... struth
[4:08] <[Saint]> I can definitely see the argument that naval men must either be highly determined or mentally deficient in some capacity. ;)
[4:08] <ozzzy> or both
[4:08] <IanTLopp> It's why profiling is illegal for police (though it happens often), to judge someone by the tiny amount of data one sees by their speech patterns is to shut off one's ability to know that person fully.
[4:08] <[Saint]> The problem is ascertaining which for any given individual.
[4:08] <ozzzy> [Saint], Schroedinger's Navvy
[4:08] <IanTLopp> [Saint], my point is, the argument of one's diction cannot be used to judge said faculties
[4:09] <ozzzy> IanTLopp, and while profiling MAY be illegal in some jurisdictions... it's still a quite valid police tool and they'll find a way to bury it
[4:09] <[Saint]> also - depending on how one cares to define it and in which context, 'profiling' definitely isn't illegal.
[4:09] <Berg> Some folks have had there diction surgical removed
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[4:10] <IanTLopp> ozzzy: all it does is enforce stereotypes. True sometimes stereotypes DO paint an accurate picture, but there are still reasons why it's illegal.
[4:10] <[Saint]> when a bulleten is put out for a human of hight and weight N, and police stop people matching said description, that is entirely lawful and expected.
[4:10] <[Saint]> *height
[4:10] <ozzzy> IanTLopp, I don't think it's actually illegal here
[4:10] <[Saint]> I don't think it is anywhere?
[4:11] <ozzzy> I think it's just 'against company policy'
[4:11] <IanTLopp> It is in the state I live in. The point is, it's often used to paint an unrealistic picture of crime.
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[4:12] <IanTLopp> berg: you might want to step out of this polysyllabic conversation we're having here. Of the two non-monosyllabic words in your sentence, you misunderstood one, and misspelled the other.
[4:12] * IanTLopp celebrates serenely.
[4:12] <IanTLopp> I never get to use the term polysyllabic. Sorry to use it on you berg :)
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[4:12] <[Saint]> Well...wait, are you conflating profiling and racial profiling?
[4:13] <[Saint]> I suspect you are.
[4:13] * grandpa np; nofx - monosyllabic girl
[4:13] <[Saint]> Profiling is an every day police tool.
[4:13] <IanTLopp> [Saint], yes, I am. You caught me officer. Take me away.
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[4:13] <Berg> i dont know what polysyllabic mean s it has too many syllables for my brain
[4:13] <[Saint]> Hilarious given the argument surrounding clear diction, no?>
[4:13] <IanTLopp> I meant racial profiling.
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[4:13] <IanTLopp> [Saint], don't use my arguments against me, damn it!
[4:13] <[Saint]> :)
[4:14] <ozzzy> point counts
[4:14] <IanTLopp> Berg: polysyllabic (though I suspect you know this and are being sarcastic) means more than one syllable.
[4:14] <IanTLopp> err... having more than one syllable.
[4:14] <Berg> realy?
[4:14] <IanTLopp> so I forgot a word... boohoo
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[4:14] <Berg> wow no wonder it overshot my knowing
[4:15] <[Saint]> Berg: poly - meaning many
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[4:15] <ozzzy> and polly wants many crackers
[4:15] <IanTLopp> Most of language can actually be broken down and made easier to understand with a base understanding of latin.
[4:15] <[Saint]> many syllables.
[4:15] <IanTLopp> such as, Only in English do we describe the political process so well. Poly in latin meaning many, and tics, meaning blood sucking parasites.
[4:15] <Berg> now this is a better topic
[4:15] <[Saint]> IanTLopp: that's a stretch, not a lot of our words are Latin origin.
[4:15] <[Saint]> Many are French, Spanish, and Germanic.
[4:15] <IanTLopp> Berg: no... politics is NOT a better topic. I curse you if you drag me into a political debate.
[4:16] <Berg> language
[4:16] <IanTLopp> [Saint], french and spanish are both of latin origin - same statement still stands. Only German is not latin in origin, but yes, it does cause some problems, though basic understanding of latin word constructs can never hurt.
[4:16] <Berg> you seem to miss the point on many occasions
[4:16] <ozzzy> latin is a synthetic language though, not an analytic language (like English)
[4:16] <Berg> yes im being sarcastic
[4:17] <[Saint]> IanTLopp: errr...no.
[4:17] <[Saint]> No, they are not.
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[4:17] <IanTLopp> Berg: I'm tired, having not had a decent night's sleep in about a week, and trying to find 2 different screens, carry on this conversation, and playing 2 different card puzzles.
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[4:18] <IanTLopp> okay [Saint], how are they not latin languages?
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[4:18] * Berg lo0ves the histo9ry of the english language
[4:18] * ozzzy too
[4:18] <IanTLopp> berg: look up etymology - personal hobby of mine :) in fact, to make it simple, etym-online.com is a great resource
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[4:19] <[Saint]> Bits and pieces of either being derived largely from vulgar spoken latin (fairly different to modern written latin) is inarguable I guess, but there were many influences to either language for the modern dialect.
[4:19] <[Saint]> If we went back in time a few hundred to a few thousand years, I'd be more willing to agree.
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[4:20] <ozzzy> [Saint], are you speaking of the Romance languages or English
[4:20] <Berg> strike a light
[4:20] <[Saint]> Neither really. I don't really think either modern French or Spanish fits the bill as a Romance Language, does it?
[4:21] <ozzzy> yes, they do
[4:21] <IanTLopp> ozzzy: you pinpointed the proper term, thanks. Spanish, Portuguese, French, Italian, Romanian, and Catalan - all originating from vulgar Latin. My point is still valid though, a basic founding in latin in general cannot hurt in understanding languages that derive heavily from latin.
[4:21] <Berg> australian language is very romantic
[4:21] <Berg> we girthed by sea
[4:21] <[Saint]> Oh, hum, you're right - seems I'm using a non-standard definition of romance language.
[4:22] <ozzzy> IanTLopp, yes.... but once you crossover to German, Norse, Frisian, English etc. it faile
[4:22] <ozzzy> er... fails
[4:22] * ozzzy took 4 years of Latin in high school... never got me anywhere
[4:22] <IanTLopp> all except english I would agree with you.
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[4:23] <ozzzy> english borrows words... but it's a pure analytic language while latin is synthetic... the language roots are completely different until you get back to Proto-Indoeuropean
[4:23] <IanTLopp> while our language does derive heavily from languages other than latin - a good deal of our heavier terms DO use latin, making it easier to break them down, especially with regards to our suffixes and prefixes, such as "poly"
[4:23] <[Saint]> A basic understanding of vulgar spoken latin isn;t going to do you much good in any modern dialect.
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[4:23] <[Saint]> latin and vulgar spoken latin are pretty different creatures.
[4:23] <ozzzy> IanTLopp, the basic structure of English is different
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[4:23] <IanTLopp> [Saint], never said an understanding of vulgar spoken latin... I said latin in general.
[4:24] <ozzzy> you can put latin sentences together all higglety-pigglety and it's still understandable latin
[4:24] <[Saint]> Yes, which is why I argue the point.
[4:24] <IanTLopp> ozzzy: you're talking more about grammar here, and I'm talking about the structure of words.
[4:24] <[Saint]> If you had said vulgar spoken latin, I would find it very difficult to disagree.
[4:24] <[Saint]> If I did I'd be lying.
[4:24] <ozzzy> there are many more French words in English than Latin
[4:24] <IanTLopp> ozzzy: I'm not talking about sentences - words here my man. words.
[4:24] <[Saint]> There's many more germanic origins in English than Latin, too.
[4:24] <IanTLopp> But those french words still find roots IN latin.
[4:24] <ozzzy> [Saint], well.... English is a Germanic language
[4:25] <[Saint]> Pretty much my point.
[4:25] <ozzzy> yes, but an unconnected word has no meaning without the context of the sentence (or spacetime event) it is associated with
[4:25] <IanTLopp> The whole point of me bringing up latin was in talking about breaking down polysyllabic words (thanks for making me say it again). A very large portion of our longer words derive from latin - especially in the scientific community, and understanding those latin roots allows us to take these longer words, break them down, and understand what they mean.
[4:26] <ozzzy> IanTLopp, yep... and if you live in a chemist's lab that might help you
[4:26] <[Saint]> I would _love_ too see metrics on that.
[4:26] <ozzzy> IF you spoke latin
[4:27] <IanTLopp> I, as a scientist, DO tend to use some scientific words. I also have a founding in latin, and I study etymology. Latin has helped me a great deal in both areas.
[4:27] <[Saint]> If you're an organic or inorganic chemist, or pharmacist, or a doctor, and you don't speak basic latin...you failed hard.
[4:27] <[Saint]> Like, real hard.
[4:27] <ozzzy> [Saint], not true
[4:27] <IanTLopp> [Saint], considering that standard scientific nomenclature is almost entirely latin....
[4:28] <[Saint]> It certainly is here. For instance all our prescriptions are still written in mostly latin.
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[4:28] <[Saint]> per mitte, bi nocte, etc.
[4:28] <IanTLopp> Look, I'm not debating the word for word, item for item, origin of each word. Only that for a large portion of complex dialog, latin IS used.
[4:28] <ozzzy> but those are unconnected words.... you can be a world-class chemist and not speak a word of Latin barring the several elemental names that haven't changed
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[4:28] <ozzzy> [Saint], a lot of legalese is snipped from latin also
[4:29] <ozzzy> but I know many good lawyers that don't speak latin
[4:29] <ozzzy> as a matter of fact... I don't know any that do
[4:29] <[Saint]> Mainly french, no? For modern court systems. The French sure loved a good trial...
[4:29] <IanTLopp> most people that use latin today don't actually SPEAK it... in fact, it is only the knowledge of the specific words of their field that is of any import.
[4:29] <ozzzy> nisi, de re, de jure, de facto
[4:30] <IanTLopp> Just like if I tell a friend bon voyage, I know what the basic phrase means without having the slightest clue of the French language.
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[4:30] <ozzzy> IanTLopp, because you've heard it a thousand times
[4:31] <IanTLopp> ozzzy: or I was taught it (in this case - yes, heard it - I just mean for those that study a specific field that use latin terms they are taught those terms, their meanings, and uses within the chosen field - which notably does not speak latin)
[4:31] <[Saint]> I posit that's not true, though, if you're aware it is french, and you're aware of the words and their meaning...that literally is having the slightest clue.
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[4:31] <[Saint]> If you mistakenly think it to be English and have no idea of the definition, sure.
[4:32] <IanTLopp> [Saint] *squints at you evilly* literalist
[4:32] <ozzzy> IanTLopp, bon voyage would probably be bonum cursum
[4:32] <[Saint]> One kinda has to be literal in plain text.
[4:32] <IanTLopp> not in what should otherwise be goofy conversation... when did this cease being funny?
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[4:33] <[Saint]> Might help to sprinkle some contextual cues around if that's the case.
[4:33] <[Saint]> A little emoji goes a long way.
[4:34] <grandpa> :)
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[4:34] <[Saint]> See? ;)
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[4:34] <IanTLopp> "[Saint] *squints at you evilly* literalist" *wonders how that's not a contextual clue.
[4:34] * ozzzy is watching Canada put the US away at volleyball
[4:35] <IanTLopp> OR... "...hobby of mine :) in fact..." also includes an emoji
[4:35] <IanTLopp> I thought I sufficiently peppered this conversation with clues and emojis for people to understand I am not entirely serious.
[4:36] <IanTLopp> also the statement that I'm tired, holding this conversation, working on two card puzzles, and all that other crap - I thought that would show how much effort I'm actually trying to put into this conversation to make it serious.
[4:37] <grandpa> mmm peppered conversation
[4:38] <[Saint]> You guys see the French gymnast?
[4:38] <IanTLopp> is a salty conversation properly spiced?
[4:38] <[Saint]> *yeesh*
[4:38] <IanTLopp> [Saint], no?
[4:38] <grandpa> i like salty things too :)
[4:38] * grandpa jiggles belly
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[4:39] <[Saint]> Dude took it like a champ, though.
[4:39] <[Saint]> http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/olympics/rio-2016-french-gymnast-samir-ait-said-suffers-shocking-broken-leg-in-mens-gymnastics-qualifying-a7176811.html
[4:39] <IanTLopp> grandpa: you can't outjiggle MY belly
[4:39] <grandpa> o=
[4:39] <IanTLopp> [Saint], I will NOT look at that.. you horrible horrible man.
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[4:39] <grandpa> we must have a jiggle off!
[4:39] <IanTLopp> grandpa: it is, admittedly, a strange thing to be proud of.
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[4:40] <grandpa> well.. the other direction isnt as pleasant
[4:40] <[Saint]> That french gymnast would probably win in a jiggle-off.
[4:40] <[Saint]> whole bottom half of his leg's all jiggly now.
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[4:41] <[Saint]> There's no blood. No gore. Perfectly safe for work.
[4:41] <[Saint]> Just a leg bent like a pipe cleaner.
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[4:41] <ozzzy> work.... I remember work... vaguely
[4:43] <ozzzy> I should stop in some day and see how they're getting along
[4:43] <IanTLopp> [Saint], please... I implore you! stop this description... *gags a bit*
[4:43] <IanTLopp> @#$%ING YES!!!!!
[4:43] <IanTLopp> err... sorry.. wrong window.
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[4:44] <ozzzy> couldn't think of anything to say I take it
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[4:44] <IanTLopp> ozzzy, what?
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[4:45] <ozzzy> [grin]
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[4:46] <IanTLopp> ozzzy, WHAT?
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[4:46] <grandpa> ;o
[4:47] <ozzzy> just referencing the beginning of the whole thread
[4:47] <IanTLopp> my logs don't go back that far - what were we starting with?
[4:49] <ozzzy> cussing and empty mind
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[4:49] <IanTLopp> err.. anyways, I need to hit the hay - long crappy day ahead of me tomorrow.
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[4:50] <IanTLopp> no, the cussing part was for something else... I was jubilant... something I've been looking for for several months suddenly presented itself to me, gloriously.
[4:51] <IanTLopp> gives me more work to do, but quite happy to find it :)
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[4:52] <IanTLopp> anyway, goodnight all
[4:53] <IanTLopp> except you ozzzy... you can have a @#$%ing good night. so there
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[4:53] <ozzzy> damn... he got the last word in
[4:53] <ozzzy> ttfn all
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[4:56] <HtheB> anyone saw Assembly 2016?
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[5:38] <Mead> after the last MS update, it seems that I have one drive installed again. And I can't find how to uninstall/delete it
[5:38] <Mead> sorry wrong window
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[9:56] <k_sze[work]> Has anybody managed to playback lossless H.264 in mp4 using omxplayer?
[9:56] <k_sze[work]> Let's say yuv420p, 1920x1080, 30 fps
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[9:57] <sander^home> Hi, do raspberry pi have firejail?
[9:57] <sander^home> Looking for a raspberry distro which supports it.
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[10:00] <Lartza> sander^home, If you install one yeah
[10:00] <Lartza> wait firejail
[10:00] <Lartza> I read firewall
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[10:01] <sander^home> Its a lxc container for firefox.
[10:01] <Lartza> No it isn't
[10:01] <Lartza> Has nothing to do with firefox
[10:02] <Lartza> You can use it for firefox sure but :P
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[10:03] <Lartza> sander^home, As far as I can tell it just needs namespaces support from the kernel
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[10:03] <Lartza> At least Arch Linux ARM has namespaces enabled in the kernel, you could recompile the kernel if it didn't on the distro you want to use (Raspbian?)
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[10:05] <sander^home> Lartza: Where in the menuconfig can I enable namespaces?
[10:05] <Lartza> Is it not enabled already?
[10:05] <sander^home> Didnt check yet.
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[10:06] <Lartza> I don't know what it's under in menuconfig
[10:06] <Lartza> You can just search for CONFIG_NAMESPACES in menuconfig
[10:06] <sander^home> Ok:-)
[10:07] <sander^home> Does namespaces gives any negative impact on security?
[10:07] <Lartza> It's process isolation that is meant to improve security, but dunno
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[10:09] <kerio> k_sze[work]: i don't think lossless h264 is a thing, outside of ffmpeg
[10:09] <kerio> and that's software decoding, obviously
[10:09] <sander^home> Ah, I see. Probably takes one extra hardware security ring to enable namespaces.
[10:09] <sander^home> for the cpu.
[10:10] <sander^home> on intel we have 4, one reserved for virtualization. I'm not sure on arm.
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[10:12] <k_sze[work]> kerio: what do you mean? You mean most other decoders simply don't implement support for lossless H.264?
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[10:13] <kerio> it fails on videotoolbox/quicktime on os x at least
[10:13] <kerio> it's a nonstandard thing i think
[10:13] <kerio> the ffmpeg wiki says so
[10:14] <kerio> it's great for archival
[10:14] <kerio> and great for youtube uploads
[10:14] <kerio> (but then again, youtube also allows ZMBV)
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[10:14] <k_sze[work]> huh, Wikipedia says it's part of the specs for Hi444PP: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264/MPEG-4_AVC#Feature_support_in_particular_profiles
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[10:15] <kerio> huh, so it is
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[10:28] <sander^home> May 2016 – Firejail is available in Debian jessie-backports.
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[10:36] <k_sze[work]> kerio: so it seems that the Pi 3's VideoCore can do 1080p60, but still no lossless.
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[10:36] <k_sze[work]> http://elinux.org/RPi_Hardware
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[10:39] <kerio> not even decoding? :(
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[10:39] <k_sze[work]> not even decoding.
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[11:18] <sander^home> k_sze[work]: why's that?
[11:18] <sander^home> any strace output?
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[11:19] <k_sze[work]> sander^home: I mean it will play the file, but the image will look like Picasso/modern art.
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[11:20] <k_sze[work]> The file in question is -profile Hi444PP (forced because of -qp 0), and level 5.1, yuv420p pixel format.
[11:20] <k_sze[work]> 30 fps.
[11:21] <k_sze[work]> In contrast, High profile, level 5.1, qp 1, 30 fps would still play fine.
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[11:47] <sander^home> k_sze[work]: kerio ffmpeg got lots of buggy codecs, you need to enable one by one to see which one fails.
[11:48] <sander^home> Its always nice to include all of them, but thats not always possible.
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[11:50] <VictoriaGo> i cook food now
[11:51] <VictoriaGo> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7uZh7699fM
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[12:29] <lastaid> is there any source where i can get the temperature and humidity range for a raspberry pi 3?
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[12:41] <TyrfingMjolnir> How can I configure my own teletext server?
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[12:42] <TyrfingMjolnir> Something to run documents written in wxTED
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[12:44] <TyrfingMjolnir> https://bpaste.net/raw/a936582bd499
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[12:45] <TyrfingMjolnir> http://www.itdadao.com/articles/c18a180977p0.html
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[14:27] <cassoPi> good morning
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[14:44] <SopaXorzTaker> Hey guys!
[14:44] <SopaXorzTaker> Is there a way to output a continuous bitstream at a rate of >40MHz on BCM2835
[14:44] <SopaXorzTaker> I want to try modulating analog TV
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[14:45] <pksato> can generate carrier, but not AM modulation.
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[15:36] <Zeno`> gah. who in their right mind uses spaces for indentation? :(
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[15:37] <Chillum> spaces are represented the same an all systems
[15:37] <Zeno`> LadyElusive I'll meet you at the station
[15:37] <Chillum> tabs are ambiguous and could be 3, 4 or even 5 spaces depending on where you view it
[15:37] <Zeno`> Chillum, yeah and that's why they are not good :(
[15:37] <Chillum> you prefer to have the appearance of your code ambiguous?
[15:37] <yene> is this a space tab war
[15:38] <Chillum> nah, tabs lost years ago
[15:38] <Zeno`> Chillum, I can write code that is not ambiguous using tabs
[15:38] <yene> tabs won
[15:38] <Zeno`> tabs won by a long shot
[15:38] <yene> https://ukupat.github.io/tabs-or-spaces/
[15:38] <Chillum> "tab" is an undefined character that is viewed differently by different people
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[15:38] <Zeno`> tabs for indentation, spaces for alignment... it's pretty easy
[15:38] <Chillum> a throwback from the typewriter era
[15:39] <Chillum> using both? oh dear...
[15:39] <Zeno`> yes of course
[15:39] <Zeno`> that's the correct way to do things
[15:39] <Chillum> I use my tab key for auto-complete, and for changing windows
[15:39] <Zeno`> e.g. any major project does this
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[15:40] <Chillum> I try to avoid using mystery characters that are up to the beholder to perceive however they want.
[15:41] <Chillum> ultimately they are rendered to look like spaces
[15:41] <yene> thats a pro actually, because this way i can use 5 spaces
[15:41] <yene> 5 spaces master race
[15:41] <Chillum> 4 spaces is correct
[15:41] <yene> no 5
[15:41] <Zeno`> 3
[15:41] <Zeno`> see the problem?
[15:42] <Chillum> "There... Are... Four... Spaces!"
[15:42] <yene> just use tabs and you can set your own representation, duuh
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[15:42] <Chillum> why not just run everything through your favourite pretty printer if you would rather view it your way than the authors way?
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[15:42] <Zeno`> Chillum, nobody uses 4 spaces. 3 and 2 are better (and it doesn't matter if one uses tabs anyway)
[15:42] <Chillum> 4 is just right
[15:43] <Zeno`> Chillum, because if you reformat using a pretty printer then you make merging upstream changes almost impossible
[15:44] <Zeno`> at least very tedious :/
[15:44] <ahihi> yene: that page does not seem to support the conclusion that "tabs won", except for a few languages
[15:44] <Chillum> ahihi: ya, I am also losing confidence in the "popular vote".
[15:45] <Chillum> one can be very wrong and very popular at the same time
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[15:45] <yene> that makes it right
[15:46] <ahihi> this is an entirely subjective debate, so looking for a "right" answer is futile
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[15:46] <ahihi> the real problem is of course representing source code as text, rather than AST ;)
[15:47] <mfa298> I think it's one that the correct answer is stick to company/project style guide, or if it's your own code do what your happiest with
[15:47] <ahihi> pretty much
[15:47] <yene> stick to the programming language styleguide first
[15:47] <Chillum> I don't think it is subjective that tabs are ambiguous and spaces have a clear meaning
[15:47] <Chillum> that is an objective finding
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[15:47] <mfa298> I personally prefer tab as I can then use set ts=<n> to change how it's displayed on screen
[15:47] <yene> you use 5 space too?
[15:48] <Chillum> he uses <n> spaces
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[15:48] <Chillum> I find 4 is just right, clearly demarcates the text while not taking up too much space.
[15:48] <mfa298> depends what I'm lookign at, sometimes ts=2 is useful, other times 4/8 is good
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[15:50] <ahihi> yeah I switch between 2 and 4 depending on the language
[15:50] <Chillum> I don't really care about spaces vs tabs, I just like a good debate in the morning
[15:50] <mfa298> Chillum: next up, emacs vs vim :p
[15:50] <Chillum> ummm
[15:50] <Chillum> joe
[15:51] <Chillum> I use spaces, but I understand why some prefer tabs. When I work collaboratively I tend to use tabs just for the sake of others.
[15:51] <Zeno`> People who use spaces for indentation are inconsiderate
[15:51] <Zeno`> mfa298, clearly vi/vim is the winner there
[15:52] <mfa298> I tihnk that's probably one of the signs of a good coder, looking at the existing code and adjusting their style to match.
[15:53] <SopaXorzTaker> pksato, how?
[15:53] <Zeno`> mfa298, pretty hard to do when every pet project uses their own number of spaces (not tabs) to indent
[15:53] <yene> the winner are programming languages that force a style, then you can just say USE THE GUIDE
[15:53] <SopaXorzTaker> I can modulate the carrier myself
[15:53] <SopaXorzTaker> just how to produce it
[15:53] <Zeno`> you have to adjust your editor depending on the project :?
[15:54] <mfa298> Zeno`: well if vim is the winner, "set ts=<n>; set et" then you just press tab and get the right number of spaces
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[15:54] <Zeno`> yeah and then open another project and do the same again
[15:54] <ahihi> doesn't vim support any kind of editor config file?
[15:55] <Chillum> it supports almost anything
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[15:55] <Chillum> if you learn the magic behind it
[15:55] <mfa298> there's always vim modelines, you should be able to stick the config in the source files then
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[15:59] <pksato> SopaXorzTaker: Using clock generator. Have a cool application and very controverse program using it.
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[16:08] <hypermist> a pi2b getting over 300 mysql request per minute is having a bit of death
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[16:08] <Chillum> is your microsd getting warm?
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[16:10] <hypermist> Chillum, not yet
[16:10] <hypermist> xD
[16:11] <CoJaBo> the card in my gopro does get astoundingly hot o_O
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[16:13] <Vrooom> where is offical pi channel then ?
[16:13] <vrmxm> SO I expect I already know the answer to this, but is it possible to run (full) Minecraft on a 2B+?
[16:13] <CoJaBo> This is the officialest channel that exists
[16:13] <methuzla> Vrooom, there is no 'official' channel
[16:14] <CoJaBo> For more officialness, you could try the forums tho
[16:14] <Vrooom> Oh ok
[16:14] <Vrooom> just asking
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[16:17] <yene> where can i buy the cheapest pi 3
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[16:18] <CoJaBo> Amazon or Microcenter
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[16:19] <yene> whats the cheapest raspberry pi like board with ethernet and wifi, if you order 10k units
[16:19] <methuzla> 'pi like'? probably some chinese ripoff
[16:19] <Encrypt> yene, Raspberry Pi 3
[16:20] <Encrypt> Ah, pi-like
[16:20] <CoJaBo> It'd actually probably be hard to beat Pi3, even at 10k units
[16:20] <CoJaBo> Pi is that cheap because it does a LOT more volume than that
[16:20] <CoJaBo> If you can ditch the ethernet, you can probably shave off a few dollars tho
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[16:20] <yene> is the pi 2 still in production?
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[16:21] <Encrypt> yene, Of course
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[16:36] <mfa298> yene: if you want those sorts of numbers of actual pi's then the best bet is probably to talk to farnell/rs as they're responsible for making them.
[16:36] <mfa298> I'd imagine at 10k units you might be in the realm of getting some discounts / alterations on the board as required
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[16:39] <dym> curlyears: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/nfowrgeelplnsrz/AABxgVIRDtwcc9GgeHxUb6SNa?dl=0
[16:39] <dym> Thats the current "olde doorbell"
[16:39] <sloth> wait are you trying to use the output of the doorbell or just use the doorbell as a switch
[16:40] <sloth> like the physical button at your door
[16:40] <sloth> as a trigger for an rpi action
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[16:40] <dym> sloth: i want the doorbell to keep functioning as it is, but also use the physical button press to trigger something like a text message
[16:40] <dym> meaning expand the doorbell with a pi
[16:40] <sloth> okay well then you need to meter the output of the doorbell
[16:41] <dym> okay
[16:41] <dym> meaning remove those wires from the inside bell, attach them to a meter and press the button, right?
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[16:41] <sloth> because the rpi only accepts 3.3v and 5v gpio signals so if its over that (most likely 12v) then you'll need to hook some stuff up
[16:41] <dym> okay
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[16:41] <yene> aber nicht ölen
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[16:41] <sloth> well no because if nothing is attatched to the system
[16:41] <sloth> it'll just
[16:41] <sloth> you know
[16:41] <sloth> not have a completed circuit
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[16:42] <dym> yeah i get that. thought attaching it to the meter would accomplish that :D
[16:42] <ozzzy> dont put 5v into a gpio
[16:42] <Chillum> does it accept 5V signals? I thought over 3.3V was bad
[16:42] <dym> sorry, i know absolutely nothing about electronics
[16:42] <sloth> its poor practice
[16:42] <dym> zero
[16:42] <sloth> but the gpio does have some 5v pins
[16:42] <ozzzy> it has a 5v supply pin... the gpios aren't 5v tolerant
[16:42] <sloth> dym: do you have a multimeter?
[16:42] <dym> I require some sort of step by step instruction
[16:42] <dym> sloth: guess :D
[16:43] <dym> willing to get one though
[16:43] <Chillum> you could use a zener to dump anythink over 3.3V though
[16:43] <sloth> you gotta get a multimeter and then put one lead on each of those screw terminals
[16:43] <sloth> and then press the doorbell
[16:43] <sloth> and it'll give you a number
[16:43] <Chillum> a transistor that can handle whatever the doorbell puts out on its gate could sit between the 3.3V and a GPIO
[16:44] <dym> sloth: https://www.amazon.de/Multimeter-Spannungspr%C3%BCfer-Pr%C3%BCfvorrichtung-Messinstrument-Hintergrundbeleuchtung/dp/B01825GBK2/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1470667402&sr=8-4&keywords=multimeter
[16:44] <dym> wise choice?
[16:44] <yene> does the pi die if i connect 5v to the pins?
[16:44] <curlyears> dym: your best bet is ti just completely disconnect the current bell, and put a small optical coupler in it's place. Whenever you press the bell button, the optocoupler will cause a 3.3V compliant signal to your RPi GPIO pin, allowing you to do, upn detection of an event, anything you want.
[16:44] <sloth> lmao what
[16:44] <Chillum> it will create heat which could kill it yene
[16:44] <sloth> 26 yurops for that meter
[16:44] <Chillum> depending on how much current flows
[16:44] <sloth> i got that meter for $17 in australia of all places
[16:44] <dym> sloth: https://www.amazon.de/Hama-Digital-Multimeter-Spannung-Widerstand/dp/B000VE5QPY/ref=sr_1_1?rps=1&ie=UTF8&qid=1470667456&sr=8-1&keywords=multimeter
[16:44] <dym> heres a cheaper one
[16:44] <sloth> curlyears: he wants to keep the existing doorbell
[16:44] <dym> will that suffice?
[16:45] <sloth> although i agree with you
[16:45] <dym> i guess i could replace it with something, but im married...
[16:45] <dym> you get the idea ;)
[16:45] <sloth> it would be easier to do that and then have the rpi trigger a sound event
[16:45] <dym> sloth: okay, let's go that way
[16:45] <dym> i can have the pi do that also, right?
[16:45] <dym> from the pi itself
[16:45] <curlyears> sloth: OK, then DON'T discionnect the bell. Simply hook your optoisolator in parallel with it
[16:46] <dym> curlyears, sloth: give me the "easier" way
[16:46] <dym> fine with both
[16:46] <dym> i can re-attach the old bell at anytime, i guess, so no harm dome
[16:46] <dym> don
[16:46] <dym> DONE dammit
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[16:46] <sloth> <curlyears> dym: your best bet is ti just completely disconnect the current bell, and put a small optical coupler in it's place. Whenever you press the bell button, the optocoupler will cause a 3.3V compliant signal to your RPi GPIO pin, allowing you to do, upn detection of an event, anything you want.
[16:46] <sloth> ^
[16:46] <sloth> do that
[16:46] <Chillum> I was just trying to imagine a harm dome
[16:47] <sloth> then have the rpi send a text message and then also play bell.ogg
[16:47] <dym> Chillum: :D
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[16:47] <dym> sloth: awesome. still need of measuring the current on the wires?
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[16:47] <sloth> curlyears would be more help with that
[16:48] <sloth> also no but you should have one anyway
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[16:48] <sloth> to test if things are working/why things aren't working
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[16:48] <dym> as mentioned: know nothing, willing to learn :)
[16:48] <curlyears> unless your RPi is going to mounted within a foot or so of the doorbell wiring, I would strongly urge you to use an optocoupler. Will protect the RPi from random spikes of stray EMI floating round. It will also protect it from any back EMF from that nasty electromechanical bell
[16:49] <dym> curlyears: lets say we remove the old bell from the equation. what would i need? an optocoupler? is there just "that one" or do i need something specific?
[16:49] <dym> So Wires from wall => Optocoupler => RPI GPIO
[16:49] <dym> And voila?
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[16:50] <curlyears> dym: that will get you as far as the doorbell button triggering the RPi GPIO pin. Now you have to write an interrupt handler to do whatever it is you want done.
[16:51] <dym> curlyears: sounds teriffic. i have seen several bash examples
[16:51] <curlyears> hey: are Rpi GPIO pins active high, or active low?
[16:51] <dym> as long as i get the connection going i guess i can fiddle the rest.
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[16:52] <sloth> curlyears: either
[16:52] <curlyears> just keep in mind that if tyhat 12 or 24VAC works it's way all the way onto your RPi board, kiss the RPi goodnight.
[16:53] <dym> curlyears: thought the optocoupler would take care of that?
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[16:53] <curlyears> you'll also need to determine what AC Voltage you doorbell circuit is running, and select an appropriat current limiter resistor in series with the optocoupler's LED to keep it freom frying itself to deth
[16:54] <dym> jesus
[16:54] <dym> WHAT
[16:54] <dym> :D
[16:54] <ozzzy> and put a rectifier on the AC
[16:54] <stiv> or use a relay
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[16:55] <dym> I dont even know what an optocoupler is
[16:55] <curlyears> dym: and well it should, barring any "Uh Oh!" moments tht defeat the isolation in any number of possible ways. If you are careful with your wiring, it SHOULDN'T be a problem
[16:55] <dym> https://www.conrad.de/de/optokoppler-o0204120.html
[16:55] <stiv> the optocoupler led is driven by the pi side. the photodiode/transistor is on the load side
[16:55] <dym> im here right now
[16:56] <stiv> opto-coupler is an led and a phototransistor all in one package. you can make your own
[16:56] <dym> telling from the picture it seems that there is only 2 wires going through the bell
[16:56] <dym> 2 are permanently interconnected
[16:56] <dym> and 2 go into the doorbell
[16:56] <curlyears> t the outpuy
[16:56] <sloth> you could use a half wave rectifier and a resistor
[16:56] <sloth> if you wanna be lazy and dumb
[16:56] <dym> https://www.dropbox.com/s/rtmihjv0hm2rypk/Foto%2008.08.16%2C%2016%2035%2017.jpg?dl=0
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[16:57] <dym> red is connected and black goes to the bell
[16:57] <curlyears> damn this keyboard all to nasty words!!!
[16:58] <dym> so i need a 2 - connection optocoupler?
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[16:58] <dym> https://www.conrad.de/de/optokoppler-vishay-sfh6206-2-dip-4-smd-ausfuehrung-acbidirectional-153979.html
[16:58] <dym> ?
[16:59] <dym> the back of the doorbell says "8V ~0,5A"
[16:59] <dym> maybe thats a hint to as what current there is?
[16:59] <dym> or is that irrelevant?
[16:59] <curlyears> dyM: there will be 4 connections, two on each side. Wire the "input" side, (the side with the LED) directly in place with the bell, except put a limiting resistor in series with the LED. (make sure you get polarities right)
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[17:00] <dym> curlyears: 2 on each side - as there are now.
[17:00] <dym> what LED though?
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[17:00] <curlyears> thwe other two wires are a ground and (usually) an open collector. Thinof this as a transistor that has the LED cconnected to it's base, the emitter grounded, and it's collector availabvle to you.
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[17:01] <curlyears> or, you cuold connect the collector output to the Vcc, and use the emitter as the switched output.
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[17:03] <dym> okay, so those 4 wires in use with the bell now will still be on the pi
[17:03] <dym> good
[17:03] <dym> curlyears: what LED do you mean? the optocoupler? does that come as an LED?
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[17:29] <pwillard> Optocoupler has an internal LED.
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[18:06] <hey2> Hey; trying to figure something out w/ a servo motor... On one end, it should be reading about .55kohms, and on the other end about 4.35kohms
[18:07] <hey2> its currently at about .487kohms, and 3.68kohms
[18:07] <hey2> Could slop in the servo do this? Or is it time for a new motor
[18:07] <hey2> I didn't think it'd bring the values closer together but further apart?
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[18:18] <SpeedEvil> What do you mean by 'a servo motor'
[18:18] <hey2> a motor w/ a sensor for positioning
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[18:19] <hey2> its for my crotchrockets secondary throttle valve plates
[18:19] <hey2> small project I'm doing
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[18:22] <SpeedEvil> Your values are under 20% out.
[18:22] <hey2> And?
[18:23] <SpeedEvil> that would not wholly surprise me
[18:23] <hey2> It is causing issues
[18:23] <SpeedEvil> This is OEM hardware?
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[18:23] <hey2> Yes
[18:23] <SpeedEvil> I mean - it's already normally installed?
[18:23] <hey2> yes
[18:24] <SpeedEvil> slop in the mechanism could mean that you don't have proper coupling between the resistor and shaft.
[18:24] <SpeedEvil> But this is easy to measure
[18:24] <hey2> So you think I should remove the sensor, clean it
[18:24] <hey2> and reposition?
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[18:25] <hey2> I just didn't think repositioning a servo position sensor would be able to increase the range of impedence
[18:25] <hey2> just displace it
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[18:26] <curlyears> hey2: that all depends on the internal, uncorrected impedance curve of the sensor
[18:26] <hey2> what do you mean?
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[18:26] <hey2> That it may not be linear
[18:26] <SpeedEvil> hey2: If the shafts have ~10 degrees slop, that would pretty much do that
[18:27] <hey2> and repositioning it could change distribution?
[18:27] <hey2> What do you mean by that SpeedEvil
[18:27] <hey2> the sensor is, from what I can tell, some kind of magnet
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[18:34] <hey5> Urgh got kicked off lol
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[18:35] <SpeedEvil> hey2: unless you properly understand the mechanism, it's very hard to speculate
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[18:36] <hey5> So it's worth going out and buying security bits and adjusting the sensor on the offchange that the distribution will increase?
[18:36] <hey5> As opposed to getting a new servo in its entirety?
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[18:50] <curlyears> would someone clue me in on what this hey# fellow is on about? I can't find the beginngin of this conversation in my scroll buffer
[18:51] <IT_Sean> curlyears, something about a servo motor. The earliest I have in my scrollbuffer is:
[18:51] <IT_Sean> <hey2> Hey; trying to figure something out w/ a servo motor... On one end, it should be reading about .55kohms, and on the other end about 4.35kohms
[18:51] <IT_Sean> <hey2> its currently at about .487kohms, and 3.68kohms
[18:51] <IT_Sean> <hey2> Could slop in the servo do this? Or is it time for a new motor
[18:51] <oq> curlyears: http://srv.datagutt1.com/index.php?date=2016-08-08
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[18:52] <hey5> curlyears I am trying to eliminate the secondary throttle valve actuator from a motorcycle and replicate the signals being produced by the sensor
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[18:52] <IT_Sean> ... why?
[18:52] <hey5> What do you mean why
[18:52] <hey5> it's a dragracing bike
[18:52] <IT_Sean> Oh.
[18:52] <IT_Sean> I see.
[18:52] <hey5> trying to get my 0-100 at around 4ish
[18:52] <hey5> and the STV movement is hindering that
[18:53] <IT_Sean> That sounds like a good way to poo out your own eyeballs, but... okay.
[18:53] <hey5> I'd pay to see that
[18:53] <IT_Sean> As would I. I love anything that goes fast enough to do something stupid in / on
[18:53] <pwillard> oq: Freenode admins are a bot "anti-logging" from what I'be heard.
[18:54] <pwillard> a bit... rather
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[18:54] <IT_Sean> pwillard, as long as the channel owner OKs it, it's fine.
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[18:54] <hey5> pwillard, Ive been on lots of channels with bots that you can request logs from
[18:54] <oq> pwillard: it's ... in... the... topic...
[18:54] <IT_Sean> hey5, It sounds like you may have de-throned me as the channel resident car guy & speed demon. :p
[18:55] <pwillard> Ok, my mistake. I've been places where that was not so cool
[18:55] <hey5> lol I can't drive cars right now
[18:55] <hey5> I have too many speeding tickets and a totalled bike
[18:55] <IT_Sean> Ouch
[18:55] <hey5> I get pegged for going 5 over
[18:55] <hey5> its really dumb
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[18:55] <pwillard> then you fit a profile?
[18:56] <IT_Sean> Shockingly, my license is still intact. I got popped once for 97 in a 50, but knew the judge, so....
[18:56] <hey5> Yeah
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[18:56] <hey5> IT_Sean, I know better than to do that now lol
[18:56] <hey5> You can hear me from too far away and all lasers/radar get pointed in my direction
[18:56] <IT_Sean> Yeah, i save it for the track these days.
[18:57] <hey5> I can't afford track unfortunately
[18:57] <hey5> hundreds of dollars a weekend
[18:57] <hey5> dragstrip is just $30 for a year and $18 for the night
[18:58] <IT_Sean> I usually do about 4 track days a year on the local road course. $60 for the day w/ the club.
[18:58] <hey5> jealous
[18:58] <hey5> I'd have to pay for new tires + the abhorrent entry cost
[18:58] <hey5> because of 1000cc
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[18:59] <IT_Sean> I've never been a bike guy. Prefer something with 4 wheels and side impact protection (or lat least, what passed for impact pretection in the 1980's)
[18:59] <hey5> There isn't anything like going 0-60 in ~2 seconds without anything around you'
[19:00] <IT_Sean> There is when you share the road with idiots.
[19:00] <hey5> I actually am more intimidated going fast in a car than a bike
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[19:00] <hey5> IT_Sean, believe you mean I know I got t-boned by someone going 40 trying to make a yellow light a few years back
[19:00] <hey5> *me
[19:00] <IT_Sean> (>_<)
[19:02] <hey5> Well, imma go run to harbor freight and get some torx security bits and take this servo apart... I'll probably be back once I get it figured it out for help w/ the pi
[19:02] <hey5> thanks for the input everyone
[19:02] <IT_Sean> o/
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[19:19] <curlyears> hey5: what sort of sensor, and what is it sensing?
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[19:26] <hey5> it appears to be a magnetic sensor
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[19:26] <hey5> and it is "sensing" the position of the servo rotationally
[19:26] <hey5> the impedence genrated is used to gauge the position
[19:26] <IT_Sean> probably a hall-effect sensor, I'd guess.
[19:26] <hey5> and make adjustments for the a/f
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[19:27] <ShorTie> they normally use a pot
[19:27] <ShorTie> or use too, lol.
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[19:30] <IT_Sean> Usually two, 180 degrees out of sync w/ one another, such that when one reads 100% , the other will read 0%. When one reads 10%, the other 90%, etc... for error correction. Any discrepency between them will result in a fault-code, etc...
[19:31] <hey5> it doesn't look like a potentiometer ShorTie
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[19:31] <pwillard> Its an AC signal?
[19:31] <IT_Sean> It's also the same arrangement the drive by wire throttle pedal uses in most new cars.
[19:31] <IT_Sean> in that case, any disagreement = return to idle.
[19:31] <hey5> It might be though ShorTie I need to go get security bits and disassemble it
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[19:35] <hey5> http://imgur.com/a/8Flj5
[19:35] <hey5> its the black thing on the side of the upper part of the throttle body
[19:35] <hey5> with the plug facing out
[19:37] <methuzla> part no 023131?
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[19:37] <hey5> what
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[19:38] <hey5> 13580-16G00
[19:38] <hey5> it is a potentiometer
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[19:39] <hey5> https://www.google.com/search?q=13580-16G00&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi4qPyRrrLOAhUUTGMKHVAtA7oQ_AUICigD&biw=2560&bih=1017#imgrc=_ ShorTie
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[19:40] <Stavros_> Soooo
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[19:40] <hey5> So
[19:42] <Stavros_> Lotta x86 boards coming out (Up board, Udoo, Lattepanda)... what're the odds they're all gonna go the way of the myriad other chinese ARM boards - unsupported with low quality control?
[19:42] <hey5> what do you mean unsupported
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[19:43] <Stavros_> Outdated kernels, only 1-2 functional linux distros etc
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[19:43] <hey5> I don't think you can lump x86 boards together and generalize a trend for them thats a whole family
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[19:44] <Stavros_> I'm not generalizing x86 boards, I'm generalizing chinese crap :p
[19:44] <hey5> but you're right about the acorn stuff
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[19:44] <Stavros_> There's a reason raspi is by far and away the most successful ARM board, and it's got nothing to do with its performance :p
[19:44] <ozzzy> hmmm... I've only ever had one issue with chinese stuff
[19:44] <ozzzy> and that was a while ago
[19:44] <hey5> Honestly
[19:44] <hey5> where are most boards produced?
[19:44] <hey5> I don't think domestically unless you're in SE Asia
[19:45] <hey5> although I could be way wrong lol
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[20:35] <Wurstsalat> Hi
[20:36] <IT_Sean> Pi boards? Somewhere in Asia.
[20:36] <IT_Sean> Where 99.999999999999999999999999999999999% of all PCBs are made
[20:36] <TheLostAdmin> that other one that gets made outside of Asia is made in my toaster oven once every 5 years or so.
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[20:37] <IT_Sean> Heh
[20:37] <IT_Sean> I hope you don't use that oven for anything else!
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[20:38] <TheLostAdmin> nope. it's the soldering oven.
[20:38] <Wurstsalat> Hey I just got my first Rpi and have a little problem with the CEC control it works when connected directly to my TV but does not work when connected to my AVR. Is there some special setting somewhere? Not sure if asking here is correct?
[20:38] <IT_Sean> whelp, it sounds like the AVR isn't passing along the CEC command.
[20:39] <Wurstsalat> It gets recognized by the TV
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[20:39] <Wurstsalat> but it fails to connect
[20:39] <IT_Sean> If the intermeditate device is not passing on the full CEC stack, CEC is not going to work. It sounds like it is not passing the necessary commands on to the TV.
[20:39] <Wurstsalat> ah meh thats shitty
[20:40] <Wurstsalat> so I need another remote
[20:40] <IT_Sean> The intermediate device would need to receive and accept the CEC commands, and then puthe them back out to the TC.
[20:40] <IT_Sean> And mind your language. The channel rules are posted in the topic. Thanks.
[20:40] <IT_Sean> But, yes, that is a crap situation.
[20:40] <Wurstsalat> According to Denon themselves it's supposed to passthrough all the CEC commands
[20:41] <IT_Sean> I'd ask them. There may be a setting on that device.
[20:41] <IT_Sean> CEC is a fickle mistress.
[20:41] <Wurstsalat> Yeah I read their help documents it has two settings for that which are both enabled
[20:41] <Wurstsalat> hdmi passthrough and hdmi control
[20:41] <IT_Sean> I have a TV that responds to CEC power on commands, but not CEC power off. It's... annoying.
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[20:42] <Wurstsalat> It seems like LG and Denon both aren't the best players in the CEC game
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[20:42] <IT_Sean> Wish I could be of more help, but the issue clearly lies with the denon device.
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[20:42] <Wurstsalat> Yeah sadly the most costly to replace
[20:43] <IT_Sean> DOes your TV have a 2nd gazinta you can use for the Pi?
[20:43] <IT_Sean> So you can connect it directly?
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[20:43] <Wurstsalat> Yeah I can connect it directly
[20:43] <IT_Sean> Might be your best bet.
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[20:44] <Wurstsalat> hmm I suppose I could try to route the audio via ARC then or whatever might be possible
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[20:44] <IT_Sean> Ah, audio. Hadn't thought of that.
[20:44] <Wurstsalat> but I guess that would stripe most of the higher audio standards
[20:44] <IT_Sean> Your best bety may be to live with having a 2nd remote.
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[20:45] <Wurstsalat> yeah I guess :( what a mess it is to have around 7 remotes
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[20:46] <IT_Sean> Go with a programmable universal remote. There are apps you can get for your tablet to use an addon IR blaster. Control everything with a tablet.
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[20:47] <Wurstsalat> Yeah somekind of logitech harmony or whatever there is
[20:47] <Wurstsalat> the rpi3 has bluetooth right?
[20:47] <IT_Sean> I dunnah. Does it?
[20:47] <Wurstsalat> I think so bluetooth and wifi
[20:47] <methuzla> Wurstsalat, yes and yes
[20:47] <IT_Sean> I know it has wifi. Dunnah about the blue teeth.
[20:48] <IT_Sean> Ah, there you go. Thanks methuzla.
[20:48] <Wurstsalat> I guess I can somehow get my old ps3 BD remote to work with it
[20:48] <Wurstsalat> that should be bluetooth too
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[20:56] <TheLostAdmin> If I was paid to, I would use the Windows 10 IoT core thingy.
[20:56] <binaryhermit> unless they thought it was real windows 10
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[21:36] <Uber> Or to learn and grow
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[22:03] <binaryhermit> 9 million pis sold (WARNING: VIDEO) http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-05/the-life-of-raspberry-pi/7696012?platform=hootsuite
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[22:05] <binaryhermit> If I recall what I saw in the forums, that fact is stated around 1:26 in
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[22:06] <binaryhermit> *1:26
[22:06] <binaryhermit> err 1:28
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[22:42] <shankz> Hi, has anyone worked with DS1302 RTC before with pi?
[22:43] <Valduare> probably :)
[22:43] <HtheB> Anyone saw Assembly 2016?
[22:43] <Valduare> maybe :)
[22:44] <vrmxm> Sadly, no
[22:44] <vrmxm> Was anything impressive?
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[22:45] <HtheB> 1k and 4k, yes
[22:45] <HtheB> other then that: no
[22:45] <HtheB> I loved the 4k winner
[22:45] <HtheB> but the music was too short, so I've made an extended version of it: https://soundcloud.com/htheb61/outcast-extended
[22:45] <vrmxm> I'll have to look them up on YT later
[22:45] <vrmxm> Any well known names? Fairlight make a comeback? FC? Triton?
[22:46] <vrmxm> Never happens, but I can hope
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[22:46] <HtheB> vrmxm: http://www.pouet.net/party.php?which=7&when=2016
[22:47] <HtheB> vrmxm: it's only 2minutes, worth it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOub2J80Was
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[22:47] <ShorTie> shankz, there is a example in wiringPi i do believe
[22:47] <Wurstsalat> IT_Sean, thanks for the help earlier I found an app to control the media center I needed and it works with CEC to the AVR
[22:48] <vrmxm> My connection is saturated right now rsync'ing a chunk of data
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[22:52] <vrmxm> Wow, that's something different
[22:53] <vrmxm> I'm used to the 4ks with basically dubstep noise
[22:53] <HtheB> vrmxm: yeah
[22:53] <HtheB> well, if you liked it: https://soundcloud.com/htheb61/outcast-extended
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[22:57] <vrmxm> I'll be sure to get that later
[22:58] <HtheB> no prob
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[23:08] <shankz> ShorTie I tried using it but the time resets after reboot
[23:08] <IT_Sean> Wurstsalat, glad to help!
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