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IRC Log for 2016-08-09

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[1:05] <grandpa> https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop
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[1:12] <Berg> its a pi?
[1:12] <HtheB> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGYIca88A4s
[1:12] <HtheB> I lol'ed
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[1:14] <Berg> its only dual core
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[1:17] <grandpa> no
[1:17] <grandpa> yes
[1:17] <Berg> yes
[1:17] <grandpa> but its upgradable!
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[1:17] <Berg> right
[1:17] <Berg> just pay 50 bucks a upgrade
[1:17] <Berg> thats worser then apple and microsoft
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[1:18] <grandpa> seems reasonable to me
[1:18] <grandpa> if they are successful, anyway
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[1:19] <grandpa> $50 is cheaper than a whole new laptop
[1:19] <Berg> they can already offer a arm 4 core
[1:19] <Berg> they starting with a dual core
[1:19] <Berg> sounds scammy to me
[1:19] <grandpa> maybe idk
[1:19] <Berg> anyway good luck to them
[1:19] <grandpa> i just thought it was neato
[1:19] <Berg> it is
[1:20] <Berg> i dont disagree
[1:20] <grandpa> :)
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[1:20] <methuzla> the hardware interface will eventually be obsolete
[1:20] <Berg> but when some folks upgrade they buy a bigger moniotor
[1:20] <Berg> there is a fail on that account
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[1:20] <Berg> yes
[1:21] <grandpa> hm
[1:21] <methuzla> same reason why i can't upgrade my old 8088 with a modern CPU and memory
[1:21] <grandpa> yea
[1:21] <Berg> nothing is perfect
[1:21] <Berg> a good sales pitch is always a clincher
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[1:22] <methuzla> first line in the video is: "This is your next computer."
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[1:22] <methuzla> news to me. didn't even know i was shopping for one.
[1:22] <Berg> like tasla house power or power wall great sales pitch but a 250 amp hour battery is only 500 bucks they selling the power wall for 3500
[1:23] <SpeedEvil> Berg: Right.
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[1:23] <SpeedEvil> Berg: now, what is the Watt-hours? And what is the cyclic lifeE?
[1:23] <grandpa> i haven't any idea what a power wall is ;o
[1:24] <Berg> https://lazycackle.com/Convert_from_Ah_to_KWh___Online_Calculator.html
[1:24] <SpeedEvil> The power wall is several kWh of batteries.
[1:24] <Berg> thye ytesla wall is 3.5kw
[1:24] <Berg> the power wall is 250 amp hours
[1:24] <grandpa> what is it used for
[1:25] <Berg> battery nbank
[1:25] <SpeedEvil> Berg: the power wall is _not_ 250 amp-hours.
[1:25] <Berg> store your asolar
[1:25] <grandpa> im imaging a wall with a bunch of sockets
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[1:25] <grandpa> oic
[1:25] <SpeedEvil> It's 7kWh
[1:25] <Berg> its 3kw
[1:25] <Berg> how much is that 7kw they advertised 3kw here
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[1:25] <SpeedEvil> 7kilowatt-hours
[1:26] <SpeedEvil> it can provide 1kWh for 7h, or 3kW for two and a bit
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[1:26] <Berg> 7 kwh = 583.333333333333 amp hours
[1:26] <SpeedEvil> Berg: derp
[1:26] <SpeedEvil> Berg: you really should educate yourself first.
[1:27] <Berg> thats an insult
[1:27] <SpeedEvil> All batteries are not 12V. This one in particular is 380V or so
[1:27] <Berg> i dont believe in education
[1:27] <SpeedEvil> About 18Ah@380V
[1:27] <grandpa> we dont need no education - pink floyd
[1:27] <grandpa> <_<
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[1:27] <Berg> what voltage is a power wall?
[1:27] <SpeedEvil> 380V or so
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[1:28] <Berg> did you use that cobnverter?
[1:28] <SpeedEvil> What?
[1:28] <Berg> https://lazycackle.com/Convert_from_Ah_to_KWh___Online_Calculator.html
[1:28] <Berg> look there
[1:28] <SpeedEvil> No, I used this other thing, called actually understanding the topic.
[1:28] <Berg> put your values in
[1:29] <SpeedEvil> Right - and you can't assume that 12V is the correct voltage, because it's not.
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[1:30] <Berg> so you are charging the power wall to 380v?
[1:30] <SpeedEvil> yes, because that is its design voltage
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[1:30] <Berg> right and how many panels on your roof do you need to get that voltage
[1:31] <SpeedEvil> About twelve.
[1:31] <SpeedEvil> 3kW
[1:31] <Berg> and what about the home owner that only has 4
[1:32] <SpeedEvil> They need a converter, or should choose some other battery.
[1:32] <Berg> i think its a good sales pitch
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[1:32] <Berg> i have 400amp hours here cost me 800 dollars runs my house
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[1:32] <Berg> i still send power back to grid
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[1:33] <Berg> i have 12 panels i found a tesla power wall would not run my7 night time needs 3kwh 3,500 dollars
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[1:34] <Berg> and 7kwh is 2 power wall units
[1:34] <SpeedEvil> The power-wall is nearly twice the capacity of 400Ah*12V
[1:34] <Berg> they stackable
[1:34] <Berg> cost?
[1:34] <Berg> your talking 7kw
[1:34] <Berg> what does that cost
[1:35] <SpeedEvil> 7kWh is the nominal powerwall capacity
[1:35] <Berg> 3.5 is normal the one i8 saw advertised
[1:35] <Berg> now how much does 7kw cost
[1:35] <SpeedEvil> You have misread it.
[1:35] <Berg> nope
[1:35] <Berg> they are stackable hence they offer 7kw
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[1:37] <SpeedEvil> https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/powerwall
[1:37] <SpeedEvil> Each Powerwall has a 6.4 kWh energy storage capacity, sufficient to power most homes during the evening using electricity generated by solar panels during the day
[1:38] <Berg> how much do they cost
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[1:39] <Berg> they advertized on tv last year 3.5 kw system for 3,500
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[1:42] <Wurstsalat> rpi doesnt support WoL right?
[1:43] <SpeedEvil> Wurstsalat: correct
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[1:43] <SpeedEvil> Berg: I don't think they did.
[1:44] <SpeedEvil> you have misremembered.
[1:44] <Berg> :)
[1:44] <Berg> how much are they then
[1:44] <SpeedEvil> Or the advert was unclear.
[1:44] <SpeedEvil> Go to the website.
[1:44] <Berg> i cant find a price there
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[1:48] <UncleKiwi> running solar here in NZ is not reall efficient
[1:48] <UncleKiwi> *really
[1:48] <Berg> im not sure SpeedEvil but i think they are 3.3kw units in tandem to make your 7kw system i see the data for one unit is 3.3kw
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[1:48] <SpeedEvil> kWh is not Kw.
[1:48] <Berg> scroll down the first page and see
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[1:50] <Berg> why do they have a image of 2 units with the title 6.4kwh
[1:50] <Berg> https://www.tesla.com/tesla_theme/assets/img/powerwall/powerwall-battery-group@2x.png?20160511
[1:51] <Berg> anyw2ay i still cant find a price
[1:53] <Wurstsalat> wasnt it $3k?
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[1:54] <Berg> australia 3.5kw was 3.500 dollar
[1:55] <Berg> i saw this add last year now i think its changed
[1:55] <Berg> dont know to what
[1:55] <Wurstsalat> "Powerwall capacities have changed over time. As of March 2016, there is only one Powerwall size remaining: the 6.4 kWh model, designed for daily use. It is priced at $3,000."
[1:55] <Wurstsalat> http://www.wholesalesolar.com/tesla-powerwall-for-solar
[1:55] <UncleKiwi> Berg: whats your power bill ?
[1:55] <Berg> about 100bucks
[1:55] <UncleKiwi> nice
[1:55] <Berg> not counting service fees
[1:56] <UncleKiwi> wjhat would it be with no solar
[1:56] <Berg> 500
[1:56] <UncleKiwi> nice
[1:56] <DWKnight> THAT is the real nice part
[1:56] <Berg> i use 10kw a day by the meter
[1:56] <UncleKiwi> what are you running
[1:56] <UncleKiwi> lots of RPI's
[1:56] <UncleKiwi> ahaha
[1:56] <Berg> ytes
[1:57] <Berg> i run a rpi to charge the bank
[1:57] <UncleKiwi> bitcoin mining >
[1:57] <UncleKiwi> ?
[1:57] <Berg> nar
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[1:57] <Berg> \im not that well educated im told
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[1:57] <UncleKiwi> i dont think mining bitcoin is not a good idea anyway
[1:57] <Berg> i dont even know how that works
[1:57] <Berg> no interest actualy
[1:58] <stiv> simpler to cut to the chase and mine electrons
[1:58] <Berg> virtual anything has no value in real life
[1:58] <ozzzy> I'll sell you a bag of electrons cheap
[1:58] <UncleKiwi> its not worth it
[1:58] <Wurstsalat> you use 10kwh a day?
[1:58] <Berg> about
[1:58] <Berg> yes
[1:58] <Wurstsalat> and pay $500?
[1:58] <Berg> not a day
[1:58] <UncleKiwi> sunny australia thats how he can do itr
[1:58] <DWKnight> our house uses about 40kWh/month
[1:59] <IT_Sean> $500 a month!? That's nearly my mortgage! How are you using that much powah!?
[1:59] <DWKnight> according to our bills
[1:59] <Wurstsalat> I use around 5kwh a day
[1:59] <Wurstsalat> and pay like 40?
[1:59] <Berg> 500 a 1/4
[1:59] <Wurstsalat> a month?
[1:59] <IT_Sean> Oh.
[1:59] <IT_Sean> Still... That's still a lot!
[1:59] <Wurstsalat> or are you talking 500 yearly?
[1:59] <Wurstsalat> ah 1/4
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[1:59] <Berg> it is and its gona cost lot more soon
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[1:59] <UncleKiwi> are you guys all from Aussie ?
[1:59] <Wurstsalat> what are the power prices in australia like?
[1:59] <IT_Sean> That's still stupiud high.
[1:59] <IT_Sean> How is your powah bill that much?
[1:59] <Berg> every 3 months a non solar home 500 bucks
[2:00] <Wurstsalat> I mean I thought I am getting riped off
[2:00] <Wurstsalat> at $0.3/kwh
[2:00] <Berg> mines not that much i have solar
[2:00] <UncleKiwi> he will be talking Aussie dollars
[2:00] <IT_Sean> My utility bill is usually $40 - $60 a month. And that's electricity, water, and nat. gas.
[2:00] <IT_Sean> (US$)
[2:00] <Wurstsalat> yeah but $2000 aussie dollars are still some money
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[2:01] <Berg> yes us cant compare to aussie as we pay huge for our power remember the carbon taxc and other moronic ideas the gov had here
[2:01] <IT_Sean> Dayum.
[2:01] <Valduare> my wife keeps saying our power bill is up there in price too but i think she’s just trying to get me to give her more money
[2:01] <IT_Sean> That just seems insane to me.
[2:01] <Valduare> i should probably take a peek at the bills :P
[2:01] <Wurstsalat> here in germany we pay around 30 cents per kwh
[2:01] <Berg> ask another aussie
[2:01] <Wurstsalat> in U$
[2:01] <Berg> they will confirm
[2:01] <iantlopp> is it possible for a screen that's designed to work for the Banana Pi to work on the Raspberry Pi?
[2:02] <UncleKiwi> Aussies are very lucky because its very sunny there
[2:02] <Wurstsalat> https://www.ovoenergy.com/guides/energy-guides/average-electricity-prices-kwh.html
[2:02] <iantlopp> I'm talking about this -> https://www.amazon.es/TFT-Touch-Screen-640x480-Banana/dp/B00WMV5J2Y
[2:02] <Berg> i dont know how much the services cost is i think about 150 bucks a 1/4
[2:02] <IT_Sean> Where are you getting your powah? Coal? Nat Gas? Nuke?
[2:02] <Wurstsalat> 29C seems fine for australia
[2:02] <Wurstsalat> is it just power for the 500 a 1/4?
[2:02] <Berg> yes
[2:03] <Berg> i dont5 have gas
[2:03] <Berg> water is seperate too
[2:03] <Wurstsalat> you gotta be using quite some power
[2:03] * IT_Sean has gas heat, and a gas fireplace. Electric everything else
[2:03] <Berg> 10 -12 kw a day
[2:03] <Wurstsalat> 12 would prolly fit
[2:03] <UncleKiwi> we dont have capital gains tax here yet - that is a scam
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[2:03] <Wurstsalat> oil heat gas water electric lighting
[2:04] <UncleKiwi> do you have capital gains tax in Aussie ?
[2:04] <Berg> anyway if i can use the sun and not power from gov im be happy seems i need more batteries to have enogh to store a few days worth
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[2:04] <Rickta59> did you follow any of the links on that page iantlopp ?
[2:04] <Berg> yes we have capital gains
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[2:05] <Wurstsalat> we do have 25% capital gains
[2:05] <Wurstsalat> tax here
[2:05] <UncleKiwi> omg that is pure evil 25%
[2:05] <Rickta59> it doesn't seem like there are any docs about it iantlopp
[2:05] <Berg> i dont have solar hot water its electric
[2:05] <iantlopp> Rickta59, only links I see are for other products. The page is in spanish which I can't read.
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[2:05] <Berg> i heat water in the day when suns up
[2:05] <Rickta59> are you in the us iantlopp ?
[2:05] <Wurstsalat> electric water heating is just the horrors
[2:06] <Rickta59> * that link said i couldn't buy it in the us
[2:06] <Berg> true
[2:06] <Wurstsalat> costs a shit ton
[2:06] <Berg> i cant afford a new hot water system yet
[2:06] <UncleKiwi> we have a good source of firewood - we use that for heating water and the house
[2:06] <iantlopp> Rickta59, yes, I am.. I'm just trying to find a screen for a rasppi 3b that has the same specs as that screen
[2:06] <Berg> one day
[2:06] <Wurstsalat> I got gas here thats fine
[2:07] <IT_Sean> Wurstsalat, please watch your language. The channel rules are clearly linked in the topic, thank you.
[2:07] <Berg> anyway sun is good coal bad
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[2:07] <Wurstsalat> Well I do not think this channel fits me
[2:07] <Wurstsalat> if this is counting as fouls language out here
[2:07] <Wurstsalat> See ya guys
[2:07] <Berg> bye
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[2:07] <Rickta59> i've got no experience with a pi lcd
[2:08] <Rickta59> i tend to use it headless and use my pc as a display
[2:08] <iantlopp> :-\
[2:08] <Valduare> you know what i’ve always wondered
[2:08] <iantlopp> I'm trying to build a portable with that display
[2:08] <iantlopp> Valduare, what's that?
[2:08] <Valduare> we have gravity , we have weights why not bore holes in the earth and setup gear reduction to spin generators
[2:08] <Valduare> use it like a gravity battery
[2:08] <Berg> me too Rickta59
[2:08] <Valduare> use solar /wind to pull the weight back up to the top
[2:09] <Berg> heheheh
[2:09] <Valduare> no loss for chemistry batteries
[2:09] <Rickta59> and even then i'm mostly looking at an xterm
[2:09] <Berg> thats a good battery Valduare
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[2:09] <iantlopp> Rickta59, what do you use yours for?
[2:09] <Rickta59> one rpi2 i have setup as a 3d print spooler
[2:09] <stiv> sure, until the sun burns out and there is no more solar wind
[2:09] <IT_Sean> It would take a REALLY long time to amortize eth eenergy that went into building it.
[2:09] <binaryhermit> I'm excited, I'm taking down my Pi B 512 MB of RAM model I use as a server probably tonight, copying the SD card to a microsd, and coming back up on a Pi 3
[2:09] <Rickta59> this latest one the zero, i haven't decided
[2:10] <binaryhermit> once my USB hard drive to USB hard drive transfer
[2:10] <Berg> glass is empty stiv?
[2:10] <binaryhermit> err, +completes
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[2:11] <Rickta59> i'm thinking it might make an amazing network jtag dongle
[2:12] <Valduare> Berg: doesnt cost much to have a well drill rig come out to the property and put a casement in :)
[2:12] <Berg> :)
[2:12] <stiv> Berg, as engineers, we just need to pay more attention to how things fail. example: delta airlines went down today because their backup generator set fire to their primary generator
[2:12] <Berg> i have ground water at 700mm below the surface
[2:12] <Rickta59> yeah that is what they say .. probably someone did rm -rf in root
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[2:13] <Berg> but still your battery is good Valduare
[2:13] <Valduare> weight still goes through water :)
[2:14] <Valduare> gravity doesnt stop at water line
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[2:14] <UncleKiwi> using the power of the change in tide in the ocean can be good
[2:14] <Berg> digging a hole without cause a sinkhole might be a pain for me Valduare
[2:14] <Valduare> casement
[2:15] <Valduare> they sink a pipe to keep the hole clear
[2:15] <Berg> cost
[2:15] <SpeedEvil> Now compute how much energy you store in raising one ton of water, and how much it takes to store a kilowatt-hour
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[2:16] <Valduare> not talking about raising water
[2:16] <Valduare> one experiemnt i’ve been meaning to do all these years is take a grandfather clock movement
[2:17] <Valduare> modify it to spin a little gen to charge 5v usb devices
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[2:18] <IT_Sean> That's going to take a LOT of gearing.
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[2:19] <Valduare> or a lot of height :)
[2:19] <IT_Sean> I meant the clockwork thing, dude.
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[2:21] <oq> Valduare: how would that even work?
[2:22] <IT_Sean> Probably not.
[2:23] <oq> You would just transferring that hand wound movement energy..?
[2:23] <oq> *just be
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[2:23] <Valduare> whatever energy is used to get the weight to the top is transfered
[2:23] <oq> the weight is only used for the timing of a second
[2:23] <oq> it's not a power source
[2:24] <Valduare> no there’s a govorner in there too
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[2:25] <Berg> the gravity battery would work in theory
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[2:26] <Berg> but the question of how much power to lift it to how much you gewt back needs research
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[2:26] <IT_Sean> You would get back less than you put in.
[2:26] <Berg> is it equal
[2:26] <Berg> 'i suspect so
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[2:26] <IT_Sean> The laws of physics dictate that you would get back less than you put in due to friction and gearing innefficiencies and such. And that's just on the mechanical side of the equasion.
[2:26] <martin290> i was able to get mono on my pi and use xsp4 as the web server (for c# asp.net), i was wondering if y'all have ran into any snags with deploying stuff to the pi and it not working properly
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[2:27] <IT_Sean> That said, if you are suing solar to do the lifting? Who cares! You are essentially storing free energy for later use
[2:27] <IT_Sean> *using
[2:27] <martin290> my goal is to develop a web app in some language (i'm leaning towards php because it's multi-platform) and deploy it to the pi
[2:27] <Berg> that is correct too
[2:27] <SpeedEvil> Valduare: In order to store the same amount of power in your smartphone battery, you need about 8 watt-hours. 8 watts will raise around a kilo a meter a second. If the weight is ten kilos, you raise a ten kilo weight 360 meters.
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[2:27] <Berg> martin290: why use mono?
[2:28] <SpeedEvil> Valduare: clearly, this rapidly becomes intractable.
[2:28] <oq> if you want to store energy just take the mainspring out of the clock and use that by itself
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[2:28] <SpeedEvil> Springs are pretty poor energy storage devices
[2:28] <SpeedEvil> Per kilo
[2:28] <martin290> Berg: well, to be quite honest, i like the intellisense of visual studio provides, since c# is statically typed
[2:28] <Valduare> not all clocks use springs
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[2:29] <oq> SpeedEvil: but its the only storage device in the clock
[2:29] <Valduare> im talking about the movement that uses weight as an example
[2:29] <martin290> but, you generally need to write WAY more code
[2:29] <SpeedEvil> oq: sure.
[2:29] <Berg> cant you make an app in linux
[2:29] <SpeedEvil> oq: poor compared to batteries
[2:29] <oq> Valduare: the weight doesn't store energy
[2:29] <oq> it's just for timing
[2:29] <martin290> Berg: what do you mean?
[2:29] <oq> there's still a handwound mainspring
[2:30] <Valduare> im not talking about clocks :P
[2:30] <giddles> rtc rtc
[2:30] <Valduare> i was talking about using the movement from a grandfather clock to modify as a basis
[2:30] <giddles> rtc
[2:30] <giddles> rtc
[2:30] <giddles> make rpi great again ;D
[2:31] <giddles> sd card holder on rpi3 is a bad joke
[2:31] <giddles> also temp..
[2:31] <Berg> im just thinking mono is another layer on your PI OS there must me some other way to make an app for rpi using linux martin290
[2:31] * grandpa giggles at giddles
[2:31] <giddles> jaja i stop rant
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[2:31] <giddles> i like it still but.. hmpf
[2:31] <martin290> Berg: there definitely is, php, it's going to be a web app
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[2:31] <oq> a what?
[2:31] <oq> you mean a website?
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[2:32] <Berg> i use bottle.py to make a website
[2:32] <Valduare> martin290: you can use python django for webapps
[2:32] <Berg> thats not PHP
[2:32] <oq> *websites
[2:32] <grandpa> use windows 10!
[2:32] <grandpa> :)))))
[2:32] <Berg> ooo dear
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[2:33] <grandpa> hehehe
[2:33] <grandpa> carry on
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[2:33] <grandpa> my wayword grandsons
[2:33] <martin290> i was doing a bit of reading and the level of effort to get php up and running is much lower than python for a website (or web app)
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[2:34] <oq> well python comes with the os so you'd think it would be less effort
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[2:39] <Valduare> martin290: did you look at django
[2:39] <martin290> Valduare: i'm going to do that right now
[2:39] <Berg> effort = learning?
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[2:39] <Berg> i take learning over effort
[2:40] * stiv gives 2 opposable thumbs up to bottle as a lightweight web framework
[2:40] <Berg> took me 25 tries to learn the cup[cake on the table was electrtofied but i learn!!!!
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[2:40] <PolloLoco> hi
[2:41] <Berg> hello PolloLoco
[2:41] <PolloLoco> do i have to have this wolfram thing installed on my pi?
[2:41] <grandpa> no
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[2:41] <IT_Sean> You don't _have_ to have anything installed on your Pi
[2:41] <ali1234> you can remove it. nothing needs it
[2:41] <PolloLoco> i think its taking a lot of space and i didn't know how to not install it when i ran the upgrade. :(
[2:41] <PolloLoco> is taking long time to get it.
[2:41] <ali1234> sudo apt-get purge wolfram-engine
[2:42] <PolloLoco> but i got some real official raspberry pi wi-fi usb adapters.
[2:42] <PolloLoco> Ok.
[2:42] <PolloLoco> will wait i guess.
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[2:42] <PolloLoco> the adapter had no instructions so i just ran the update thing. it won't break it to remove it?
[2:42] <ali1234> no
[2:42] <PolloLoco> ok. thank you.
[2:42] <IT_Sean> it has nothing to do with your wifi adapter, crazy chicken.
[2:43] <PolloLoco> :))
[2:43] <grandpa> :)
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[2:43] <PolloLoco> gracias
[2:43] <IT_Sean> Don't get cheeky. My spanish is... poo.
[2:43] <PolloLoco> i'll go wait now.
[2:43] * Berg CHASES THE INSANE CHOOK
[2:43] <PolloLoco> :))
[2:43] <PolloLoco> bye!
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[2:44] <Berg> have fun
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[2:44] <IT_Sean> Well... He was a strange one.
[2:44] <Berg> you made him happy
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[2:44] <IT_Sean> Dunno how.
[2:44] <Berg> fear not grasshopper delete it
[2:45] <Berg> :)
[2:45] <grandpa> wax on, wax off
[2:45] <Berg> car wash 3 rooms down on the left
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[2:46] <grandpa> C:
[2:47] <Berg> is power free when you use chemicals to produce it to run your pi?
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[2:47] <grandpa> are the chemicals free
[2:47] <IT_Sean> Only if you steal the chemicals.
[2:47] <grandpa> :)
[2:47] <Berg> some are
[2:47] <IT_Sean> And even then. No. Because _someone_ paid for them
[2:48] <Berg> fire ash = potassium hydroxide , copper plate , steel plate
[2:48] <Berg> power
[2:48] <Berg> not a lot but power the same goes for many other chemicals
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[2:49] <ali1234> when your code is so long-winded and repetitive that you don't notice you've implemented the same function twice...
[2:49] <Valduare> deciduous tree or evergreen ash best?
[2:49] <Berg> cost is there so its not free
[2:50] <oq> free as in beer or free as in speech?
[2:50] <Berg> id say beer
[2:50] <Berg> :)
[2:51] <IT_Sean> Free beer is the best beer.
[2:51] <Berg> ok folks my shed calls be back later
[2:54] <grandpa> tell it you found a new shed
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[2:55] * IT_Sean thumps grandpa
[2:55] <grandpa> :(
[2:55] <grandpa> ow
[2:55] <IT_Sean> You deserved it.
[2:55] <grandpa> ggosh
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[3:17] <cassoPi> golly
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[3:20] <grandpa> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ejga4kJUts&list=PLQw-AwSCH8G3Dhw4vAu0R7OfxDWdUbhaR
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[3:35] <Valduare> lol if you ever feal useless, just remember - someone is a lifeguard at the olympics swimming events...
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[6:03] <RoBo_V> any has experience running neo 6m gps in raspberry pi
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[6:39] <swift110-phone> hey
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[6:45] <Valduare> o/
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[6:48] <swift110-phone> how r u valduare
[6:48] <Valduare> not to bad
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[6:50] <swift110-phone> good
[6:50] <swift110-phone> what ya up to
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[6:57] <swift110-phone> what ya up to valduare
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[6:58] <Valduare> server maintenence
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[7:01] <swift110-phone> oh cool
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[7:07] <Voop> whats this i hear about suspiciously cheap pi's on ebay
[7:07] <Valduare> havnt heard Voop
[7:08] <Valduare> you mean like a pi 0 for less than 40 bucks? :P
[7:08] <Voop> right
[7:08] <Voop> there's a warning at the top of r/raspberrypi on reddit
[7:08] <Voop> "Suspiciously cheap raspberry pi's are popping up on ebay. We suggest using caution."
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[7:09] <Voop> i dont see any suspiciously cheap ones on ebay though
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[7:09] <Voop> other than like you said, $20 zeros
[7:09] <swift110-phone> wow
[7:09] <swift110-phone> flad
[7:10] <swift110-phone> glad i have pi zero and pi 3 already
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[7:11] <Voop> i dont have a 3 yet
[7:11] <Voop> have a 2 and a couple of zeros
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[7:20] <swift110-phone> cool voo
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[7:38] <Valduare> I got my zero on magpi magazine :)
[7:38] <Valduare> have a 3 as well
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[8:01] <Drzacek> Voop, any more info about those dangerously cheap rpis?
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[8:07] <Voop> Drzacek, couldnt find any
[8:07] <Voop> ill look more in a minute
[8:08] <Voop> i wouldnt mind a strawberry cake
[8:08] <Voop> or whatever the knock off china version is
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[8:35] <dreamon> tring to compile git for motion on rpi3. make results a error → *** Error in `gcc': double free or corruption (top): 0x0042f450 ***
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[8:37] <dreamon> any ideas to solve this?
[8:37] <Lartza> git for motion?
[8:39] <Drzacek> sudo apt-get install git ?
[8:39] <dreamon> nono.. i meant using git motion repository
[8:39] <dreamon> motion is a camera moving recognizen software.
[8:39] <Lartza> so, apt-get install motion
[8:39] <dreamon> but it dont work on rpi3
[8:40] <Lartza> why do you need the git version?
[8:40] <Valduare> he’s cloning the source code and trying to compile it Lartza
[8:40] <Drzacek> did you cloned that repo to your local dir
[8:40] <Lartza> Valduare, Yes and I am asking why
[8:40] <dreamon> LarrySteeze, apt-get install motion → does not work correct therefore I compiles a newer version on git
[8:40] <Drzacek> does that repo contains project for RPI (not x86)?
[8:40] <dreamon> yes clone..
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[8:41] <Drzacek> is it in C? If c++, use g++ (just ideas)
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[8:42] <dreamon> https://github.com/Motion-Project/motion
[8:42] <Lartza> Drzacek, You don't throw gcc or g++ straight at a project...
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[8:43] <Lartza> dreamon, Compiled fine for me
[8:43] <Drzacek> depends on project :P
[8:43] <Lartza> without pgsql and mysql, with ffmpeg
[8:44] <dreamon> Lartza, On rpi3?
[8:44] <Lartza> 2
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[8:44] <Lartza> Arch Linux ARM
[8:44] <Lartza> So lot of variables there, don't own a 3 but it should compile the same
[8:44] <dreamon> 2 it works normal version fine. but rpi3 its a problem.
[8:45] <Lartza> But the gcc version shouldn't be a rpi3 specific issue
[8:45] <Lartza> Maybe try and compile it on an rpi2 if you get the gcc corruption or not?
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[8:45] <Lartza> Since I don't have Raspbian
[8:45] <dreamon> can you send me output → motion -v
[8:46] <dreamon> Lartza, I will give it a try. Thanks!
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[8:47] <Drzacek> what gcc version? 4.9?
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[8:47] <Lartza> 6.1
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[8:47] <dreamon> gcc version 4.9.2 (Raspbian 4.9.2-10)
[8:48] <Lartza> dreamon, motion Version Unofficial-Git-2caced3, Copyright 2000-2005 Jeroen Vreeken/Folkert van Heusden/Kenneth Lavrsen
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[8:49] <ShorTie> dreamon, rpi camera ??
[8:51] <dreamon> ShorTie, some kind of motion tracking. Works fine. but rpi3 dont work like on rpi2
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[8:59] <Drzacek> 4.9 doesn't have c++11/14
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[9:02] <dreamon> i heard gcc 4.4 should work.. so I tried to edit makefile.. but got different errors
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[9:02] <dreamon> I will be back in 15minutes
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[9:23] <dreamon> re
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[9:52] <Berg> the answer is 42
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[9:52] <Stavros_> Anyone use termite emulator?
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[10:26] <cassoPi> g'morning all
[10:26] <Berg> jello fellow
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[10:28] <Drzacek> Morning
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[10:55] <BLUNTy> hi people, I'm trying to run IPTV on my raspberry pi3, but all the channels fail to play
[10:55] <BLUNTy> their support said I need h.264 codec, which from what I read on the website, should be supported by default on the pi3
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[10:55] <BLUNTy> any ideas?
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[10:57] <ShorTie> you might need the codec's, you gotta buy them
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[10:59] <mfa298> you may only be able to get the hardware decoding with particular pieces of software (omxplayer and kodi from memory)
[11:01] <BLUNTy> shortie: they run mpeg4, I can only order mpeg2 from the website
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[11:22] <Lonefish> you don't need a codec for mpeg4
[11:22] <Lonefish> but mfa298 is right
[11:22] <Lonefish> you should open it through kodi or omx
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[11:30] <RaTTuS|BIG> ^WTS
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[11:49] <WadeWatts> hey guys, wonder if a raspi3 can fit in a raspi2 case?
[11:50] <Lonefish> Jep
[11:50] <WadeWatts> nice
[11:50] <WadeWatts> thanks
[11:50] <Lonefish> there should be a slight (1mm or something) change in the depth of the usb
[11:50] <Lonefish> but I haven't noticed it
[11:51] <Lonefish> do keep in mind that pi2 was spring loaded sd-slot
[11:51] <Lonefish> and pi3 has a friction slot
[11:51] <Lonefish> so pi2 case can have smaller sd-slots
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[11:51] <Lonefish> and if you put a pi3 in it you might have a hard time retrieving the card
[11:53] <Lonefish> I used to have these cases : https://www.sossolutions.nl/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/414x/040ec09b1e35df139433887a97daa66f/6/1/61h-yefoqvl._sl1200_.jpg
[11:53] <Lonefish> As you can see, you can't go under the sd card
[11:53] <Lonefish> which makes it practically impossible to retrieve the card without opening the case
[11:54] <Lonefish> it's not that big of a deal, but you should know it before buying one I think
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[12:01] <WadeWatts> ahh okay thanks
[12:02] <WadeWatts> thanks mate
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[12:02] <WadeWatts> was already on the buy now button :)
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[12:02] <kerio> i have a neat transparent acrylic case
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[12:03] <kerio> with a mounting setup for the pi camera
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[12:03] <mfa298> if you're swapping SD cards regularly a bit of tape on the card to give something to grab onto might solve the removal issue (not that I've tried that yet - I don't often swap SD cards)
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[12:04] <WadeWatts> any recommendation which SD cards go well with the pi?
[12:04] <WadeWatts> looking for a 32gig ome
[12:04] <WadeWatts> one
[12:04] <mfa298> the other difference on the Pi2 -> Pi3 was the led's changed places, but that's not an issue for transparent cases and is easily rectified with a drill
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[12:18] <WadeWatts> nice
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[12:19] <WadeWatts> home server for only 60 euros :)
[12:19] <WadeWatts> jawsome
[12:20] <monsieur_h> WadeWatts: what are you going to do with it ?
[12:21] <Lonefish> monsieur_h: servering of course!
[12:21] <WadeWatts> lol
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[12:21] <monsieur_h> of course :)
[12:22] <WadeWatts> monsieur_h: tmux + weechat + NAS
[12:23] <monsieur_h> nice
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[12:23] <WadeWatts> and if i like the new pi3 i am planing to build a small arcade cabinet
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[12:25] <WadeWatts> http://www.koenigs.dk/mame/finished_arcade.jpg
[12:25] <WadeWatts> something like that
[12:25] <WadeWatts> but smaller
[12:26] <Lonefish> so a wee-wee-cade?
[12:26] <WadeWatts> yep a wee wee cade :)
[12:27] <WadeWatts> thats actually a great name for it
[12:27] <WadeWatts> i call it weeweecade
[12:28] <WadeWatts> but i guess its more fun to build the arcade cabinet than play it
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[12:28] <Lonefish> I want a 10% comission on every sale if you ever sell it (a)
[12:28] <WadeWatts> LOL
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[12:29] <Lonefish> 9?
[12:29] <Lonefish> 8?
[12:29] <WadeWatts> DEAL!
[12:29] <Lonefish> Woohoow
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[12:35] <Drzacek> WadeWatts, he would also settle for 5
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[12:36] <Lonefish> Drzacek: No, I wouldn't (a)
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[12:36] <Drzacek> sure, now that you know that you get 8, why would you
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[12:36] <Lonefish> I don't like you anymore :'(
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[12:37] <Drzacek> damn, if I knew that you like me, I would choose your side
[12:37] <Lonefish> well, not like like
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[12:44] <Drzacek> So how much power does rpi3 really need? I've been using 2A 5V charger for some time now, but I never really any power-hungry tasks or powered anything out of rpi. But if I would like to connect some stuff there (screen, keyboard, hdd), play some games or do some intensive calculations, would 5v/2a be enough?
[12:45] <Lonefish> get a cheap usb-power meter?
[12:46] <RaTTuS|BIG> if you burn it with high CPU / 4core nad GPU then 2.4A will be pulled - you will need heat sinks ....
[12:46] <Drzacek> we got such technology? didn't know that
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[12:47] <mfa298> I think the Pi3 itself is around 1.3A, so with keyboard & mouse you're probably ok on 2A, but a hdd might need a bit more.
[12:47] <Drzacek> RaTTuS|BIG, yeah, that was kinda my another question
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[12:48] <mfa298> although that can also depend on the quality of your PSU/Charger (some chargers that say 2A can't provide that whilst keeping at 5V)
[12:48] <Drzacek> but when it will pull 2.4, is the official 2.5A charger enough? I mean, there should always be margin or something
[12:48] <Lonefish> Drzacek: http://thumbs3.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mIDCsdEWN_SPkIPLhNLvKZQ.jpg
[12:48] <Lonefish> I've got this one, think I paid 4-5€ for it
[12:48] <Lonefish> haven't tested it on a pi3 tho
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[12:49] <BurtyB> they're a bit iffy in the readings
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[12:50] <Lonefish> I wouldn't count on it being 100% correct, but I guess it'll give you a good enough idea of consumption
[12:50] <Drzacek> yeah, it's not about precise meassure
[12:51] <Drzacek> anyway, it might be a good idea to get some better power supply for rpi
[12:51] <Lonefish> Also I have no idea of what the limit is of the meter, maybe it'll only measure up to 2A
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[12:52] <Drzacek> what charger do you guys use for rpi3? the official 2.5a one?
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[12:54] <BurtyB> might be better to use a power supply rather than a charger
[12:55] <oq> Drzacek: I have this, https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01DBZ49EI
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[12:56] <Drzacek> I'm considering putting a PC power supply on my desk, there is 5V
[12:57] <ahihi> I have the official one, so far it's the only one that powers my pi2 + touch screen reliably
[12:58] <ahihi> I imagine an ATX power supply also won't have any trouble :)
[12:59] <Lonefish> having a powersupply that is 5x the size of your pi isn't really in the mindset fo the pi tho :p
[12:59] <Lonefish> also your powerconsumption will be higher
[13:00] <ahihi> indeed
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[13:15] <Drzacek> Lonefish, I know, but the PC power supply will be there either way, for experimentation with other stuff. True, it shouldn't be solution for powering the pi for longer periods
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[13:19] <mfa298> with a PC PSU you may find you need to draw a reasonable current for it to actually provide anything useful and stable
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[13:19] <mfa298> although the 5V standby line might give enough for a Pi.
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[13:21] <Drzacek> I have some few switching regulators, that should work up to 3A, in case that PC PSU won't give me the right voltages
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[14:04] <djazz> rpi3 + touchscreen + kodi + spotify addon = <3
[14:04] <djazz> http://i.imgbox.com/9u8j78Fo.png
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[14:10] <gordonDrogon> looks ok, I guess - if you like black on black as a screen theme ;-)
[14:11] <djazz> http://i.imgbox.com/WcsbTiKL.png
[14:11] <djazz> my screen dont have any brightness settings
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[14:12] <djazz> havent looked for better touchscreen skins, this came with kodi
[14:12] <djazz> running on raspbian
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[14:13] <gordonDrogon> :)
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[14:15] <djazz> trying out emby too, pretty neat alternative to plex (which i havent used, but i heard its similar)
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[14:16] <gordonDrogon> I'm not into this "media" thing, but I hear its quite popular..
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[14:17] <gordonDrogon> once upon a time I ripped all my CDs but maybe I need to do them again in some new lossless format, but then again I rarely listen to them...
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[14:20] <Encrypt> o/
[14:21] <djazz> \o
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[14:44] <Drzacek> what's kodi
[14:44] * Drzacek googles
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[14:46] <gordonDrogon> it's what became of xbmc AIUI ..
[14:46] <gordonDrogon> a multimedia application thing...
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[14:46] <Drzacek> oh
[14:47] <Drzacek> First I though http://www.kodi.de/ but that doesnt' really have anything to do with rpi
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[14:49] <gordonDrogon> https://kodi.tv/
[14:51] <Zeno`> I need to stop buying bits
[14:51] <Zeno`> but I can't help it :(
[14:51] <Drzacek> Wouldn't it be cheaper to get whole bytes instead?
[14:52] <Zeno`> I've moved up to 16 bits at a time
[14:52] <Zeno`> but still
[14:52] <Zeno`> that's probably worse!
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[14:53] <Drzacek> since you're already addicted
[14:53] <Zeno`> :(
[14:53] <Zeno`> is there a club I can join where I can share my experience?
[14:53] <Zeno`> a support group kind of thing
[14:53] <Zeno`> EA?
[14:54] <Zeno`> it's sending me broke!
[14:55] <grandpa> beanie babies are going to be worth a lot of money someday
[14:55] * Zeno` will invest in a few thousand
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[14:56] <Zeno`> aargh! NO!
[14:56] <grandpa> :)
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[14:56] <grandpa> i said that one day at the flea market and some guy snapped around and looked at me real hard
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[14:57] <Drzacek> Zeno`, dude, stay away from stock market
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[14:58] <ozzzy> I don't gamble
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[15:00] <grandpa> https://drive.google.com/a/brandonginn.net/file/d/0BxbgiFpDUVA_QkpOU09ISjVFakE/view?usp=sharing
[15:00] <grandpa> ;o
[15:00] <Zeno`> Drzacek, it's not the stock market I'm worried about
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[15:00] <Zeno`> it's the chinese components markets
[15:02] <Drzacek> yeah, I know what you mean
[15:02] <Drzacek> my gf was always complaining about me ordering stuff on aliexpress
[15:02] <Zeno`> did you break up with her to stop the complaining?
[15:02] <Drzacek> then she found out they also have cheap rings, earings and all that sh*t for <50 cents
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[15:02] <Drzacek> worse....
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[15:03] <Zeno`> oh dear
[15:03] <Zeno`> not the M
[15:03] <Drzacek> and suddenly my 50eur/month on electronics doesn't seem that much
[15:03] <grandpa> >=M
[15:03] <Zeno`> lol
[15:03] <Zeno`> you're in worse trouble than I am
[15:04] <Maacus> thanks for the tip
[15:04] <Drzacek> well, we have separate bank accounts
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[15:04] <grandpa> thats what she said
[15:04] <Drzacek> :D
[15:04] <grandpa> >_>
[15:04] <grandpa> :>
[15:05] <Lonefish> xD
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[15:05] <Drzacek> funny thing, girls like to talk about "our apartment", "our money" etc
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[15:05] <Drzacek> yet when your car needs new tires it is MY car
[15:05] <Drzacek> not our
[15:05] <Zeno`> lol
[15:05] <Zeno`> see?
[15:06] <Zeno`> it's all a trick!
[15:06] <Lonefish> Sigh. I really have to stop checking the route for tonight. After work I have to drive 2 hours and (now) 16 minutes to some place.. and every time I reload it, it goes up by exactly one minute due to traffic
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[15:06] <Zeno`> Lonefish, just go to the pub for a few hours
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[15:07] <Lonefish> It's for my sidejob
[15:07] <Lonefish> it pays
[15:07] <Zeno`> oh
[15:07] <Lonefish> so.. there's that
[15:07] <Lonefish> and the client includes my father in law
[15:07] <grandpa> no pressure i see
[15:07] <Zeno`> yike
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[15:08] <Zeno`> yep, no pressure at all
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[15:10] <Drzacek> you what I hate with modern navigation systems?
[15:10] <Lonefish> well, good thing is, i'm used to the work
[15:10] <Lonefish> it's just doing light and sound for a show
[15:10] <Lonefish> And I'm used to working with him too
[15:10] <Lonefish> And no
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[15:10] <Drzacek> they are now so damn precise, they calculate how long will it take up to minutes
[15:10] <grandpa> i think these new bands pick their guitar pedals based on what drives me up a wall
[15:11] <Lonefish> woohoow, refresh without adding a minute
[15:11] <Drzacek> and there is no way i hell you could go faster to earn few minutes. you always come later than she says
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[15:11] <Drzacek> I loved the old, non-net enabled devices. I always earned at least 1hour
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[15:13] <Lonefish> drzacek, I curious to know on what time you earn one hour..
[15:13] * Lonefish lives in a country you can cross along the biggest axis in 3 hours
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[15:17] <sbef> I know that 64 bit PC with .NET framework4.0 can handle 34.000 THREADS more or less
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[15:17] <grandpa> good to know
[15:17] <sbef> How much threads can I handle with raspberry? What's the best is to use on it to get the highest number?
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[15:18] <sbef> Os*
[15:18] <grandpa> um.. doesnt 64-bit mean there are 64 threads
[15:18] <grandpa> ?
[15:19] <sbef> grandpa: no actually
[15:19] <grandpa> oh
[15:19] <jacekowski> no
[15:19] <ozzzy> nope
[15:19] <grandpa> smush it in real good so ill remember
[15:19] <grandpa> ;p
[15:19] <sbef> I'm benchmarking my laptop I already got 30000
[15:19] <jacekowski> it has nothing to do with threads
[15:20] <sbef> So guys any idea?
[15:20] <Lonefish> sbef: being able to use 34k threads doesn't mean it's the most efficient
[15:20] <jacekowski> thread limit on windows has to do with pid numbers
[15:20] <sbef> Lonefish: I'm gonna bike up a cluster running 931.000 THREADS for uni project. So I'm actually looking for the cheapest way to do it
[15:20] <Lonefish> afaik the number of cores (or hyperthreading) is about the most efficient tog et?
[15:20] <Drzacek> Lonefish, I used to drive a lot from germany to poland, usually over 800km
[15:21] <jacekowski> sbef: linux will do it
[15:21] <Lonefish> brb
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[15:21] <jacekowski> sbef: also, there is a thing, creating that many threads, and having those threads do something useful
[15:21] <Lonefish> and Drzacek that explains :)
[15:21] <sbef> jacekowski: how much threads can I handle on a single "pc" with it
[15:21] <Drzacek> yeah
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[15:22] <ahihi> this question is not really meaningful without any information on what the threads are doing
[15:22] <jacekowski> sbef: depends on what the threads do
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[15:22] <sbef> Permutations of numbers
[15:22] <jacekowski> sbef: threads that are just created and go to sleep instantly, you are pretty much unlimited
[15:22] <sbef> And letters
[15:22] <sbef> Characters let's say
[15:22] <Drzacek> cat /proc/sys/kernel/threads-max
[15:22] <sbef> Now they'll work all together
[15:23] <sbef> No*
[15:23] <jacekowski> then i think you will find it hard to find a pc that will run that many threads
[15:23] <Drzacek> there is also thread per process limitation
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[15:23] <sbef> That's why I'm gonna build a cluster
[15:23] <ahihi> so it sounds like they're compute-bound. why would you want to use more threads than the core count?
[15:23] <jacekowski> 931000 threads will have shit ton of overheads
[15:24] <sbef> We tried 9601 threads but it's too little. Need to have at least 98**3
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[15:24] <Drzacek> thats almost 300
[15:24] <grandpa> i need 16 exbibytes of memory
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[15:24] <jacekowski> Drzacek: ** means power
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[15:24] <sbef> So more or less how much raspy will I need
[15:24] <Drzacek> didn't know that
[15:24] <jacekowski> sbef: how much memory will each thread use?
[15:24] <ahihi> a pi3 has four cores
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[15:25] <sbef> 64kb
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[15:25] <jacekowski> well, that is easy then
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[15:25] <jacekowski> with a single rpi you will be ram bound @16k threads
[15:26] <sbef> My tiny 5 raspy cluster can't do it :/
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[15:26] <jacekowski> (actually less, due to other overheads)
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[15:26] <sbef> 16000
[15:26] <sbef> Mmmm
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[15:26] <jacekowski> and you will be cpu bound long time before that
[15:26] <sbef> That's good so gonna need just 60 raspy. Uni has 90
[15:26] <sbef> Thank u guys for ur help
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[15:27] <sbef> Don't forget to visit Modena! The most beautiful city in the world
[15:27] <sbef> U.U
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[15:27] <sbef> And buy ur new Ferrari while in here
[15:27] <sbef> See u!
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[15:28] <jacekowski> wait
[15:28] <jacekowski> ARM will do around 3 clocks per instruction (might be better, but in your application i would not rely on that)
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[15:28] <jacekowski> rpi runs at ~1GHz
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[15:29] <jacekowski> that 16k threads will get 62 clock cycles per second
[15:29] <jacekowski> assuming no overheads
[15:29] <jacekowski> scheduling overheads are higher than that
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[15:29] <jacekowski> realistically on something as slow as rpi, do do any kind of computation you need at least few % of cpu power
[15:30] <jacekowski> let's be generous and say 1% is enough
[15:30] <jacekowski> that means you need nearly 10 000 rpi's
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[15:44] <grandpa> l33t h4x
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[15:44] <vrmxm> I somehow doubt the Pi would be terribly good for trying to brute force passwords, but I didn't see the conversation, so...
[15:45] <jacekowski> but a whole cluster of them
[15:45] <sbef> Ehy guys always thinking bad
[15:46] <sbef> U know is not allowed help people with brute forcing and hacking in freenode
[15:46] <Simonious> bad news.. it appears that at least some android devices assume that any wifi connection is a gateway to the internet even if that wifi makes no such claim, while apple got it right and actually checks with the wifi service before abandoning it's cellular internet in favor of wifi.
[15:46] <Simonious> wonder if the bluetooth wifi links do the same thing on android
[15:46] <Voop> i hate that
[15:46] <sbef> Simonious: never happened to me
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[15:47] <Simonious> sbef: yeah?
[15:47] <jacekowski> Simonious: most android devices check for internet connection on wifi and even will ask you what you want to do if there is no internet
[15:47] <sbef> Yeeeh
[15:47] <Simonious> sbef: any secrets or words of wisdom?
[15:47] <Voop> my phone always connects to those pay-for-data hotspots
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[15:47] <sbef> jacekowski: yes its right
[15:47] <sbef> Mine asks what should he do
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[15:48] <chithead> https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=159802
[15:48] <sbef> But I'm using cyanogen so don't know hoes for u normal users :P
[15:48] <sbef> Does*
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[15:49] <Bilby> Voop, you can usually turn that function off
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[15:49] <methuzla> Simonious, i have similar results, have a pi project that runs as access point, if i connect with android phone it whines about the internet not being available, and doesn't even try to use 4g
[15:49] <Simonious> methuzla: yeah, my dataset is only one device so far, but that appears to be what I'm seeing as well.
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[15:50] <Bilby> Simonious: are you trying to set up where a phone connects to the Pi as an AP but still connects to data for internet?
[15:50] <chithead> if your android phone is rooted, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1667025
[15:50] <Simonious> Bilby: yes
[15:50] <methuzla> Simonious, FWIWI: android 5.1.1
[15:50] <Bilby> afaik that's not a thing
[15:50] <Simonious> chithead: I don't want to solve it for one phone, I want to solve it for all phones..
[15:51] <Bilby> maaaybe you can do it with bluetooth
[15:51] <Bilby> what are you trying to do with the PI AP?
[15:51] <chithead> Simonious: then submit patch to aosp...
[15:51] <Simonious> Bilby: control devices hooked to the Pi
[15:51] <Simonious> Bilby: via webUI
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[15:52] <Simonious> that part works fine, but it sucks that the phones think they should get internet from the Pi too
[15:53] <Simonious> maybe I didn't configure the Pi right
[15:53] <Simonious> maybe it's still trying to forward to 'the internet'
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[15:56] <Bilby> the only thing i can think of is if you have DHCP not provide a gateway address
[15:56] <Bilby> it should indicate to the phone that there's no gateway. but i'm not sure it's possible that way
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[16:36] <Zeno`> I can't believe it. I have 42 million resistors and not a single 1.3k
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[16:37] <SpeedEvil> Make one
[16:37] <stiv> connect them all in parallel. it should be close
[16:37] <grandpa> no u
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[16:38] <gordonDrogon> or series.
[16:38] <lirakis> or triangle
[16:38] <rain1> all 42 million resistors in parallel?
[16:38] <gordonDrogon> trianble is good.
[16:38] <lirakis> and my axe
[16:38] <Voop> connecting a 1k with 3 100s would be a nightmare
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[16:38] <gordonDrogon> even if I can't type it.
[16:39] <Bilby> Zeno`: 750k in series? 2.6k in parallel?
[16:39] <Zeno`> yeah I might have those
[16:39] <Bilby> * 650k
[16:39] <gordonDrogon> parallelogram resistors?
[16:39] <Bilby> I love giant bundles of resistors
[16:39] <gordonDrogon> anyway, what do you need 1k3 for? would 1k work?
[16:39] <Armand> Pentagram resistors!
[16:39] <Bilby> like aha, someone was out of stock...
[16:39] <lirakis> mobius strip of resistors
[16:39] <Zeno`> yeah 1k will work for now
[16:40] <Armand> Also... Resistance is futile!
[16:40] <Armand> How were the Borg NEVER slapped with Ohm's Law ?
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[16:41] <Bilby> obviously the wiring they used was Ideal
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[16:42] * gordonDrogon coughs... Resistance is useless... (Vogons pre-date Borg)
[16:43] <Armand> "vogons" ?? Must be some unknown niche thing.. O_o
[16:43] * Armand runs away!!
[16:43] <Zeno`> oh!
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[16:43] <Zeno`> I have a 1.33K 1% resistor
[16:43] * Zeno` uses that
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[16:44] <methuzla> so just wrap the resistors in a wet towel, maybe?
[16:44] <Zeno`> I need a big box with compartments to keep all this stuff in :(
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[16:44] <Armand> methuzla: That only worked in Total Recall..
[16:44] <Zeno`> instead of thrown all together in a big box unsorted
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[16:58] <stiv> Zeno`, or paper envelopes
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[16:59] <Zeno`> hmm paper envelopes is probably a good idea!
[17:00] <Zeno`> I have millions of paper envelopes
[17:00] <Zeno`> you're a genius!
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[17:01] <samuel_> hello guys
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[17:01] <mhoney> How high can a rpi3 be overclocked with just a heatsink and still be stable?
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[17:01] <samuel_> im building my own little device of the IoT using a raspberry PI
[17:02] <samuel_> I have a question about pull-up resistors
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[17:02] <samuel_> do I have to connect an individual resistor to each gpio? or is one resistor good enough for several gpio's?
[17:02] <methuzla> samuel_, pi has built in pull-ups
[17:03] <methuzla> samuel_, enable them for each pin as needed
[17:03] <samuel_> oh ok, I did not know that, I will look into that
[17:04] <samuel_> methuzla: as a matter of personal interest, should you use one resistor per GPIO or one for all?
[17:04] <samuel_> can you common them up?
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[17:04] <methuzla> samuel_, one per
[17:04] <samuel_> sorry to be a bother, but may I ask why?
[17:05] <methuzla> samuel_, assuming this is for detecting button press?
[17:05] <samuel_> really for a reed relay, but its the same thing I suppose
[17:05] <samuel_> well, several reed relays
[17:05] <samuel_> contact closure either way
[17:06] <methuzla> do you understand what a pull-up does?
[17:06] <samuel_> yes
[17:07] <samuel_> the gpio is floating
[17:07] <samuel_> the pull up ok or pull down "pulls" it to a certain value
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[17:08] <methuzla> single setup looks something like: 3.3V -- resistor -- GPIO pin -- relay -- GND
[17:09] <mfa298> samuel_: maybe try drawing up how you'de have a single pull up resistor for several gpios, the answer should then become obvious
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[17:09] <Zeno`> on the pi, are the two 5v pins simply connected internally or are they separate sources?
[17:10] <mfa298> samuel_: the answer being that you need a pull-up per gpio, and drawing it out should explain why it has to be that way
[17:10] <methuzla> if the resistor were common to all GPIO pins, then any relay closing would pull the signal down, and that's what all pins would see
[17:10] <ali1234> they are connected internally
[17:10] <Chillum> they are connected internally Zeno`
[17:10] <Zeno`> thank
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[17:10] <ali1234> and you can't drive a relay from GPIO
[17:10] <Zeno`> I'll add an additional power source
[17:11] <Zeno`> ali1234, I didn't want to :)
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[17:11] <Chillum> I have a 50A crydom solid state relay. It only wants 10mA of current to turn on
[17:11] <Zeno`> ali1234, I need something stable for my voltage reference thing
[17:11] <Chillum> though it has a build in opto-coupler
[17:12] <Zeno`> that will not draw power away from the pi
[17:12] <Zeno`> (well I could have if they were not internally connected)
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[17:12] <Chillum> a zener diode can be used as a voltage reference
[17:12] <Chillum> depends why you need it I guess
[17:13] <Zeno`> A Zeno` diode?! :D
[17:13] <Chillum> close
[17:13] <Chillum> hehe
[17:13] <samuel_> I see, I was looking at it another way... I thought you only needed one pull up or pull down and then connect the pin directly to 3.3 or something like that, not through a resistor... I thought that you could just "pull all gpio's down" and then connect to 3.3, for example, to pull up
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[17:13] <Zeno`> I'm using one of these: http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/268/21653b-74737.pdf
[17:13] <Chillum> you can, assuming your gpios are always in high impedance mode
[17:13] <Zeno`> well I will be once I hook it up
[17:13] <samuel_> did not realize you needed to use resistors on both ends
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[17:14] <gordonDrogon> you ca ndrive SSRs from the Pi directly - but be aware that some are designed to run off 5v rather than 3.3v.
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[17:14] <gordonDrogon> ie. their internal series resistor to the LED in the optocoupler needs at least 5v to light the LED.
[17:14] <Beastarino> Good Morning everyone,
[17:14] <Zeno`> SSR?
[17:15] <gordonDrogon> SSR - solid state relay
[17:15] <Zeno`> til
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[17:15] <gordonDrogon> Zeno`, the 2 x 5v pins are connected to the same source.
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[17:16] <Zeno`> gordonDrogon, ack :)
[17:16] <Zeno`> it's ok... I will use another source
[17:16] <Zeno`> the 5v pin might be ok but *shrug*
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[17:18] <Beastarino> I've come seeking advice, was hoping someone could help me here. Is this a good place for it?
[17:18] <Zeno`> actually it probably would be ok, but I'm down this current road now
[17:18] <Beastarino> (specifically regarding my pi)
[17:18] <Zeno`> will try the other way tomorrow
[17:18] <gordonDrogon> Beastarino, ask... who knows ... we won't know until you ask ...
[17:18] <Beastarino> haha - cool
[17:18] <Voop> the people here are pretty good at helping
[17:19] <Beastarino> So i've got my pi set up to display a webpage thats produced out of Excel (super simple). The HTML file is located on a network share. My pi's seem to loose the mapped drive in the night, and require a reboot to remap the drive.
[17:20] <Beastarino> I've got them connected via wifi, so my guess is that its dropping the wifi connection.
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[17:20] <Beastarino> You'd think that a 30 second auto refresh in the HTML would be enough of a keep alive on the wifi though.
[17:20] <mfa298> samuel_: you only need a single resistor per gpio (either pull up or pull down). It's there to pull the input to what you want as your default state, the switch (or sensor) then connects the gpio to the other pin to toggle the value (so if you have a pull up resistor the switch would connect the gpio to ground)
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[17:21] <Beastarino> Any thoughts on what i can do to keep those drives connected
[17:24] <Zeno`> Do the logs say why it disconnected?
[17:24] <Beastarino> i'll be honest, I'm not sure how to check that.
[17:25] <Beastarino> Fairly green with linux.
[17:25] <Beastarino> pretty strong in windows :)
[17:25] <gordonDrogon> I presume you're using cifs to see the network drive?
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[17:26] <gordonDrogon> mounting via some sort of "file manager" graphical application?
[17:26] <Beastarino> i believe so,
[17:26] <Beastarino> i've got the drive connection string in fstab
[17:26] <Beastarino> and mount it using mount -a
[17:26] <gordonDrogon> ok, so it ought to be premanent. I've not known situations using fstab where the connection drops - ever.
[17:27] <gordonDrogon> but who knows about this new fangled systemd - maybe its getting in the way?
[17:27] <Beastarino> thats what i was reading on line, :( which is another contributing factor to why I think the wifi drops, and because i don't have a script running ' mount -a ' the drive never reconnects.
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[17:28] <gordonDrogon> start a ping going in a terminal - ping the default gateway?
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[17:29] <samuel_> mfa298 drew it out.... see it now... thanks!
[17:29] <Beastarino> yeah, so it drops some time in the night. but when i get back in the morning i can ssh into it no problem.
[17:29] <Beastarino> i've been trying to find a way to log when it drops, and for how long.
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[17:30] <gordonDrogon> weird. so the network might not be dropping at all?
[17:30] <Beastarino> yeah i can't confirm that the network is dropping yet.
[17:30] <Beastarino> been looking for a way to ping/timestamp and log it
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[17:30] <mfa298> Beastarino: if you're in a windows domain it could be related to the domain settings, I've not played with linux in a windows domain for a while but there used to be odd issues with linux not refreshing tickets in the way windows expected
[17:30] <gordonDrogon> just run a ping overnight - ctrl-C in the morning and see how many lost packets - should be none or one.
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[17:31] <Beastarino> mfa298 yeah, we're a windows domain, but I don't have these devices on the domain. Maybe its a problem with how kerberos auth is being applied to the devices?
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[17:33] <mfa298> the cifs mount may be doing kerberos auth and may not be refreshing it's ticket. It's been a while since I played with any such stuff so can't remember any details now. I just remember some occasional kerberos ticket issues which broke some stuff.
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[17:34] <Beastarino> hrmm good to know. and something to look into. (though not sure where to start with that haha) don't think that the DC's are goign to tell me much other than kerberos assigned.
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[17:43] <grandpa> "first you must learn to appreciate free form jazz" -patrick
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[17:46] <Zeno`> grandpa, why am I listening to christmas carols? :/
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[17:47] <PolloLoco> Hi!
[17:47] <PolloLoco> I got a wireless pi now! :)
[17:47] <PolloLoco> exciting. :))
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[17:47] <Sadale> RPI3?
[17:48] <rain1> wipi
[17:49] <PolloLoco> yes.
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[17:49] <PolloLoco> well, wait. i dono if it's a 3.
[17:49] <PolloLoco> i bought those raspberry pi dongles
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[17:50] <WadeWatts> you dont know?
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[17:50] <WadeWatts> how did you buy it?
[17:50] <WadeWatts> on a fleemarket?
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[17:50] <methuzla> read the silk screen on the board
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[17:52] <Voop> if you need a dongle its not a 3
[17:53] <WadeWatts> i guess he doesnt know that 3 has wifi
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[17:55] <Zeno`> all I have to say to that is that video killed the radio star
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[17:55] <TheLostAdmin> How much does a Pi go for at a flea market these days?
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[17:56] <Zeno`> beef, beef & bacon, or chicken?
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[17:56] <TheLostAdmin> raspberry
[17:56] <Zeno`> oh, I'm not sure
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[17:58] <Voop> speaking of flea market pis
[17:58] <Voop> i asked this last night but does anyone know about these "too cheap" ebay pi's ive been hearing about
[17:58] <TheLostAdmin> first I've heard of it
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[17:59] <Voop> r/raspberrypi has a banner that reads "Suspiciously cheap raspberry pi's are popping up on ebay. We suggest using caution."
[17:59] <Voop> i want to use caution while buying 5 of them
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[17:59] <IT_Sean> Voop, feel free. But... you get what you pay for.
[18:00] <Voop> of course
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[18:00] <IT_Sean> And don't expect support from the Foundation for a Whun Hung Lo pi-knockoff.
[18:00] <Voop> i like testing sketchy chinese clones and stuff
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[18:00] <IT_Sean> I'd be interested in your findings, though.
[18:01] <TheLostAdmin> Voop, you think the reputable sellers are too expensive? $35 plus shipping is on the edge of my "too cheap to believe" line and that's the normal price.
[18:01] <IT_Sean> I will point out that any time I purchased cheap chinese electronics, I was terribly disapointed.
[18:01] <Voop> i know the pi foundation wont help me with my Strawberry Cake
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[18:01] <TheLostAdmin> The one time I purchased cheap chinese electronics, I was quite happy.
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[18:02] <TheLostAdmin> The failure rate was about 10% but I got 20 of the things for the same price as buying local.
[18:02] <TheLostAdmin> So, I still have 17 of them I'm not using.
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[18:02] <IT_Sean> WHat were they?
[18:02] <TheLostAdmin> Mind you, it's just a micro-sd to sd/usb adapter.
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[18:02] <Voop> TheLostAdmin, if these are suspiciously cheap compared to the already cheap pi's...
[18:02] <IT_Sean> Oh.
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[18:03] <TheLostAdmin> Voop, then it is either a) a scam, or b) a scary cheap knockoff.
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[18:03] <IT_Sean> And don't come crying to us when one burns your house down.
[18:03] <Voop> chinese card readers are so crappy
[18:04] <IT_Sean> Chineseium is highly flammable.
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[18:04] <Voop> well im hoping for scary cheap knockoff
[18:04] <TheLostAdmin> On the other hand the incredibly cheap Korean camera lense I got for the DSLR turned out to be a brand new name brand in a plain brown box.
[18:04] <PolloLoco> sorry my boss asks me questions.
[18:05] <TheLostAdmin> works beautifully.
[18:05] <Chillum> nice
[18:05] <TheLostAdmin> Arrived a full 2 weeks before it was supposed to.
[18:05] <PolloLoco> is a v2
[18:05] <Voop> lots of times the manufacturer makes the product for the legit company, but will sell the same item without the logo on it
[18:06] <Voop> so it's a 'clone' but it's an identical product
[18:06] <Chillum> sometimes stuff from a quality company fails quality control and is sold under another name
[18:06] <IT_Sean> The other problem with ordering from china is that it takes so damn long to ship. Why is it that I can get goods from Australia to the eastern US in two days, but a similar item from China takes six to eight weeks?
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[18:06] <TheLostAdmin> It may have been that, Voop. It's the same lense as a friend of mine has (examined in great detail) but missing the logo.
[18:06] <Chillum> because China sends by boat
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[18:06] <Chillum> and Australia to the US in two days is clearly by air
[18:06] <IT_Sean> Someone needs to tell the chinese that there are these things called airplanes.
[18:07] <Chillum> it is about cost
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[18:07] <IT_Sean> and that mebbe they should look into getting a few.
[18:07] <Chillum> they send ships over anyways it costs them pretty much nothing to include a container or 20 of mail
[18:07] <Chillum> you _can_ pay chinese companies to send by air-mail
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[18:08] <Voop> i get a shipment of chinesium once a month
[18:08] <Chillum> those little yellow packets arrive almost daily for me
[18:09] <IT_Sean> Not the envelopes that are padded with paper fluff. I hate those. They make such a mess when you slice 'em open.
[18:09] <Phrohdoh> Hi all, I've seen the PiCAST project and am looking for something similar (or perhaps picast does what I am after). I would like to cast to my chromecast dongle from my rpi2 without the need for a third machine to intervene. Does anyone know of a setup that allows for this? Or should I ditch the chromecast idea entirely and just grab an hdmi cable
[18:09] <Phrohdoh> for pi<->tv?
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[18:16] <stiv> there is a python project that talks to the chromecast
[18:16] <PolloLoco> does anybody make a battery pack for the raspberry pi?
[18:16] <PolloLoco> or do you think i could make one from a lipo?
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[18:16] <Voop> lipo + power boost 1000
[18:17] <Phrohdoh> stiv: as long as I can display a webpage I'm all set, any idea what the name of said project is?
[18:17] <Voop> is what i (and i think most people) use
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[18:17] <Phrohdoh> hm probably https://www.ebower.com/wiki/Raspberry_Pi_Chromecast_Remote
[18:17] <PolloLoco> https://www.adafruit.com/product/2465
[18:17] <PolloLoco> is that?
[18:18] <Voop> yes
[18:18] <PolloLoco> wow
[18:18] <PolloLoco> thank you!!
[18:18] <Voop> boosts the 3.7 to 5.something
[18:18] <Voop> built in charging circuit too
[18:18] <PolloLoco> you my hero. :))
[18:18] <PolloLoco> is out of stock tho.
[18:18] <PolloLoco> will find it somewhere tho
[18:19] <Voop> $5 more
[18:19] <Voop> https://www.amazon.com/Interface-Modules-Rechargeable-Lipo-Boost/dp/B017I87UYA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1470759535&sr=8-1&keywords=power+boost+1000'
[18:19] <Voop> but less when you consider adafruits shipping cost is around $8
[18:20] <Phrohdoh> hm seems picast only streams yt currently https://github.com/lanceseidman/PiCAST/blob/master/picast.js
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[18:23] <PolloLoco> ok.
[18:24] <PolloLoco> i want to put it in the case with the pi.
[18:24] <PolloLoco> i bet it will fit.
[18:24] <PolloLoco> not the battery, just the board.
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[18:30] <stiv> https://pypi.python.org/pypi/PyChromecast
[18:30] <PolloLoco> how can i find a list of rooms on here?
[18:31] <PolloLoco> i only have browser from work.
[18:31] <stiv> the chromecast does not display web pages. it plays certain video formats
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[18:37] <PolloLoco> i like to use this pi to write arduino sketches
[18:37] <PolloLoco> i bought a little OLED display
[18:37] <PolloLoco> and my boss wants me to make a little GPS tracker for our truck
[18:38] <PolloLoco> i got this adafruit GPS module and its so easy to use. it tracks 20 satellites!
[18:38] <PolloLoco> i got a lot of stuff to figure out still. :)
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[18:39] <PolloLoco> "It's all on the internet." he says. :))
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[18:40] <ozzzy> all he has to do is give the driver a phone with a tracking app
[18:40] <IT_Sean> that ^
[18:40] <PolloLoco> No, he wants it for if it gets stolen. Trucks get stolen a lot in Mexico.
[18:40] <daey> same
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[18:41] <IT_Sean> I'm pretty sure car theives will find a raspi with a GPS module on it, and toss it out the window.
[18:41] <IT_Sean> Well... hang on... this is mexico. mebbe not.
[18:41] <PolloLoco> nah, my boss he does not do things like that.
[18:42] <daey> better find a new company then
[18:42] <PolloLoco> no no. hes a good man.
[18:42] <PolloLoco> wants me to learn and do something besides drive trucks and office stuff.
[18:42] <PolloLoco> its fun.
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[18:43] <stiv> sounds like a fun project
[18:43] <Mokal> Anyone having problems with raspberry pi booting automatically when connected to Sony bravia TV?
[18:43] <PolloLoco> he buys these little things when we have extra money and we play with them together.
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[18:44] <TheLostAdmin> Has he figured out how to send a signal from a stolen truck so that the Pi can tell you where it is?
[18:44] <stiv> SMS text msgs work in the US
[18:44] <IT_Sean> All it has to do is SMS it's location every X hours.
[18:44] <IT_Sean> or tweet it, or whatever.
[18:44] <TheLostAdmin> yes, but that would require some sort of network connectvity.
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[18:45] <stiv> twilio is handy for sending msgs. /me uses it in a greenhouse
[18:45] <IT_Sean> you need that anyway. All the GPS does it tell the Pi where it is. The Pi needs to communicate that SOMEHOW.
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[18:45] <TheLostAdmin> That's what I was asking. How?
[18:45] <mfa298> also gps module tracking 20 sats won't help much over one that only tracks 10, I think the most you'll ever see above the horizon is 11 and that's if you're in a really good location. (there's somehing like 22 gps sats in total so at least half will always be out of view on the other side of the planet)
[18:45] <IT_Sean> GSM module.
[18:46] <SpeedEvil> mfa298: Don't forget about GLONASS
[18:46] <SpeedEvil> Or Dre.
[18:46] <IT_Sean> In Soviet Russia, GLONASS track YOU!
[18:46] <TheLostAdmin> Bring back LORAN!
[18:46] <IT_Sean> Only works at sea, dingus.
[18:46] <TheLostAdmin> Worked fine all around the great lakes.
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[18:47] <stiv> get a sextant pi module!
[18:47] <mfa298> SpeedEvil: I'm assuming it's probably somethign along the lines of a cheap neo6 or adafruit special
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[18:48] <Zeno`> nah, just fill it with bottles with notes in them and launch them into the ocean when necessary
[18:48] <mfa298> I just moaning at marketing lets use big numbers even though its probably meaningless.
[18:49] <Zeno`> put tiny little motors and a gps in the bottles so they can propel themselves to a fixed location
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[18:50] <Zeno`> ouch! sowwy
[18:50] <PolloLoco> i have not figured it all out yet. :)
[18:50] <PolloLoco> but we will.
[18:50] <PolloLoco> i told him it has to be able to send the signal someplace.
[18:50] <PolloLoco> he says 'one step at a time'
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[18:52] <mfa298> tracking small bottles floating in the sea is surprisingly hard (at least with low power radio), the waves tend to get in the way. that weekend we also discovered that it can be surprisingly hard to throw something in the sea and not have it immediately wash back up.
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[18:52] <PolloLoco> that sounds very interesting!
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[18:52] <PolloLoco> can you tell me more? can i read about your project somewhere?
[18:52] <IT_Sean> mfa298, you need a cannon.
[18:52] <mfa298> I was reminded of that by Zeno`'s gps and propeller in a bottle idea
[18:53] <Zeno`> you might not need a propeller. You might be able to use little bottles filled with CO2
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[18:54] <PolloLoco> one time i dreamed of making little sub boats out of soda bottles.
[18:54] <PolloLoco> and letting them roam around and map the ocean currents
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[18:54] <PolloLoco> you had the same dream and make it real! amazing. :))
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[18:55] <Voop> PolloLoco, what GPS module did you get?
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[18:55] <Voop> I have a FONA that does gsm + gps
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[18:55] <PolloLoco> I got two
[18:55] <Voop> something like that can text its location
[18:55] <PolloLoco> I got the adafruit ultimate GPS breakout
[18:56] <PolloLoco> and the Parallax GPS Module.
[18:56] <PolloLoco> the first one was really expensive but it works really easy.
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[18:56] <PolloLoco> i have not started with the second one yet.
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[18:57] <PolloLoco> in case i blow up the first one. :))
[18:57] <Voop> i think you'll need something with GSM
[18:57] <mfa298> PolloLoco: I'm not sure if there was much write up of this, there are some pictures at http://imgur.com/a/tUFcl and http://album.dbrooke.me.uk/UKHASnet_Hack_Weekend/ this was using some 868MHz radio modules
[18:58] <Voop> with that the possibilities are pretty much unlimited
[18:58] <PolloLoco> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00GLW4016
[18:58] <PolloLoco> that one
[18:58] <PolloLoco> it cost more than the arduino i hooked it to
[18:59] <Voop> the FONA is $50
[18:59] <Voop> which is pretty expensive if you need multiple
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[19:01] <stiv> cheap stuff is often unreliable
[19:01] <Voop> but its cheap!
[19:02] <stiv> true!
[19:02] <SpeedEvil> mfa298: you care mostly about the chipset
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[19:05] <PolloLoco> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01CAM2KAI
[19:05] <PolloLoco> i got this one too
[19:05] <PolloLoco> and i read that is a good module but old. i think SiRF is no longer in business.
[19:05] <PolloLoco> that company made the GPS module i think.
[19:06] <PolloLoco> i did bought that little display screen too and i got it to work and print some things
[19:06] <PolloLoco> https://www.amazon.com/Diymall®-Yellow-Serial-Arduino-Display/dp/B00O2LLT30
[19:06] <PolloLoco> that thing. is very very neat!
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[19:09] <SpeedEvil> PolloLoco: they have been purchased, but are still making GPSs AIUI
[19:10] <stiv> PolloLoco, nice find! i think i need one of those
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[19:10] <Voop> does it only for music?
[19:11] <Voop> s/does/is
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[19:17] <gordonDrogon> https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/microview-oled-arduino-module <-- OLED Arduino board... "cute" ...
[19:18] <gordonDrogon> but expensive...
[19:18] <rain1> for making a watch?
[19:19] <gordonDrogon> I've yet to find a use for one..
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[19:21] <PolloLoco> voop: this display will show almost anything. not just signal bars.
[19:21] <PolloLoco> i made it draw a circle.
[19:21] <PolloLoco> and i dont know how to say circle in a circle until it gets bigger and then smaller
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[19:22] <PolloLoco> like, oOoOoO
[19:22] <gordonDrogon> concentric circles.. ?
[19:22] <PolloLoco> but all on top of one another so it looks big, then small, big, then small
[19:23] <PolloLoco> círculos concéntricos
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[19:23] <PolloLoco> yes
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[19:24] <Voop> PolloLoco, that sounds cool
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[19:24] <TheLostAdmin> Pollo is far better at english than I am at spanish. Seams okay without the phrase book.
[19:24] <PolloLoco> yes thank you! i was very excited and happy with myself
[19:25] <IT_Sean> TheLostAdmin, agreed. PolloLoco's English is far better than my French (I dodn't take Spanish in school, like an idiot)
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[19:26] <IT_Sean> Unless I happen to be standing somewhere in France and need to point out a nun riding a bicycle down the street, my French is useless.
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[19:26] <Zeno`> I've noticed in videos that people from the US hold pens oddly when they're writing
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[19:27] <IT_Sean> Zeno`, No, we hold them correctly. It's the rest of the world that's bonkers.
[19:27] <IT_Sean> :p
[19:27] <Zeno`> hmm
[19:27] <TheLostAdmin> I always thought it was a hollywood thing, then pens.
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[19:28] <gordonDrogon> I'm left-handed. pens are weird.
[19:28] <gordonDrogon> I have a left-handed pencil.
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[19:28] <IT_Sean> You pay extra for that?
[19:29] <IT_Sean> 'cause if so, i've got a bridge for sale.
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[19:29] <TheLostAdmin> I'm left handed too. I can't buy expensive mice because they are all meant for right hand operation.
[19:29] <PolloLoco> i think english is a lot of really small words
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[19:29] <gordonDrogon> http://www.tigerpens.co.uk/stabilo-easy-graph-pencils-left-handed-pack-of-six/p1564
[19:30] <PolloLoco> el bolígrafo becomes "pen"
[19:30] <PolloLoco> hehe
[19:30] <IT_Sean> gordonDrogon, how is that different to a right handed pencil?
[19:31] <gordonDrogon> the one pictures is right handed, but the lefty one has the indents pointing the other way.
[19:31] <IT_Sean> Why not make the idents round?
[19:31] <IT_Sean> Heck... 99% of pencils don't have indents.
[19:31] <IT_Sean> This liiks like a brilliant answer to a question noone asked.
[19:31] <gordonDrogon> I have a right to be left.
[19:31] <IT_Sean> *looks
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[19:32] <gordonDrogon> I have left handed scissors and bottle openeners and pencil sharpners.
[19:32] <gordonDrogon> however with it being a right handed world I've adapted and am mostly ambidextrous.
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[19:34] * IT_Sean is right handed
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[19:39] <grandpa> stupid sexy flanders
[19:40] <PolloLoco> you need these https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000KIEJKE
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[19:43] <Zeno`> in the videos I watch people from the US seem to generally have their thumb forward of the middle and index fingers
[19:43] <Zeno`> this surely cannot be correct
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[19:44] <Zeno`> BUT maybe it's only people in videos who hold a pen(cil) like that
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[19:45] <IT_Sean> Here is how I hold a pen: http://i.imgur.com/Unlpgish.jpg
[19:46] <PolloLoco> same
[19:46] <Zeno`> see!
[19:46] <Zeno`> that's not right!
[19:46] <IT_Sean> Yes, Zeno`. it is.
[19:46] <PolloLoco> i don't hold it so close to the tip
[19:46] <PolloLoco> but same position
[19:47] <Zeno`> no, no, no!
[19:47] <IT_Sean> Zeno`, Yes. Yes. Yes.
[19:47] <Zeno`> this is more accurate: ned
[19:47] <Zeno`> <IT_Sean> Here is how I hold a pen: http://i.imgur.
[19:47] <Zeno`> oops
[19:47] * IT_Sean thumps Zeno`
[19:47] <Zeno`> this is more accurate: https://eksith.wordpress.com/2013/02/01/holding-a-pen-correctly/
[19:47] <grandpa> i got tired of holding it lik thst
[19:47] <IT_Sean> No, Zeno`, that is entirely incorrect.
[19:47] <Zeno`> you're holding in the US way!
[19:48] <IT_Sean> yes, the correct way!
[19:48] <Zeno`> nah, the wrong way!
[19:48] <IT_Sean> I'm a USian, so, for me, it is the correct way!
[19:48] <Zeno`> I'm going to have to start a website about this
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> which is how I hold a pen/pencil, but the other way round: http://unicorn.drogon.net/hsigpluU.jpg
[19:48] <IT_Sean> Yes, we know.. you are special because you are a leftie.
[19:48] <Zeno`> lol gordonDrogon
[19:48] <IT_Sean> :p
[19:50] <gordonDrogon> the issue with pens for me is that I hold them that way then write from left to right, so I obscure my writing & can't see what I write, then the heel of my hand moves over the ink and smudges it and my hand.
[19:50] <IT_Sean> And that's why you lafthandians are inferior! :p
[19:50] <gordonDrogon> some leftys write over the top so they can see what they write and don't get covered in ink.
[19:50] <gordonDrogon> no ,we just use pencils.
[19:50] <IT_Sean> Then you get pencil smudge on your hand.
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[19:50] <Rickta59> so with a zero is it possible to have a usb device and host at the same time? I've got a "hub thing" that allows you to plug into the otg plug then the device feature of it isn't being used
[19:50] <IT_Sean> do you not end up covered in pencil graphite?
[19:50] <gordonDrogon> IT_Sean, no.
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[19:50] <IT_Sean> Huh.
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[19:51] <Rickta59> i tried plugging the device microsub cable into the power usb but no data seems to flow that way
[19:51] <gordonDrogon> thats because there are no data pins.
[19:51] <Rickta59> yeah i figured that
[19:51] <IT_Sean> the powah connector is just that. It's feh powah.
[19:51] <Rickta59> but thought i'd try anyways
[19:52] <Rickta59> * didn't look at the schematic
[19:52] <Rickta59> so the zero can't be both a device and a host at the same time?
[19:52] * IT_Sean tattoos the schematic backwards on Rickta59's face, so all he has to do is look in the mirror
[19:52] <grandpa> i like rick's nonusage of capitalization
[19:52] <Rickta59> * no mirrors here i'd scare myself
[19:52] <IT_Sean> heh! :p
[19:53] <Rickta59> * high fives the other old guy here
[19:53] <grandpa> is that me
[19:53] <Rickta59> aren't you old grandpa ?
[19:53] <grandpa> 34 hehe
[19:54] <Rickta59> man you got started early
[19:54] <Rickta59> ok nm
[19:54] <grandpa> :D
[19:54] <Rickta59> i was trying out a wifi dongle and i actually get better speed out of my ethernet over usb
[19:54] <IT_Sean> it's okay, grandpa is still an old fart.
[19:54] <Rickta59> * at least with nfs
[19:55] <Zeno`> IT_Sean, you are not welcome to use my pens
[19:55] <Zeno`> you'd ruin the nibs in 5 minutes
[19:55] <IT_Sean> Zeno`, I don't want to use your pens.
[19:55] <Zeno`> good!
[19:55] <Zeno`> :D
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[19:55] <IT_Sean> Besides, you use them incorrectly, so, they are probably already ruined.
[19:55] <Zeno`> lol
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[19:56] <Zeno`> hey!
[19:56] * IT_Sean uses them all before Zeno` can take them back
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[19:56] <Zeno`> I have a secret supply so that's ok I guess
[19:56] <IT_Sean> Yeah, about that... Should have hidden it better.
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[19:58] <Zeno`> How should one hold a soldering iron?
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[19:58] <IT_Sean> By the not-hot part.
[19:58] <Zeno`> lol
[19:58] <grandpa> like a pin
[19:58] <grandpa> pen
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[19:59] <methuzla> like this: http://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/stock-image-fail-soldering-iron-bob-byron-1.jpg
[19:59] <Rickta59> i think this is popular http://i0.wp.com/makezine.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/stock-photo-beautiful-woman-repair-soldering-a-printed-circuit-board-204001492.jpg
[19:59] <BluesKaj-pi> by the handle
[19:59] <IT_Sean> Holding it by the cool end is, like, 99% of the battle right there.
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[19:59] <Rickta59> jinks
[19:59] <Zeno`> Rickta59, aha! she holds it pretty much like a pen should be held correctly
[19:59] <Rickta59> would be easier though if you could do that
[19:59] * Zeno` goes with that one
[19:59] <IT_Sean> I know what image you all aer referring to without having clicked on it. :/
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[20:00] <Zeno`> her thumb is a little far back but that's ok
[20:00] <Zeno`> it's pretty close to ideal actually
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[20:01] <Zeno`> I wonder why she has those glasses on
[20:01] <Rickta59> for the blood splatter
[20:01] <grandpa> radioshack iron
[20:01] <grandpa> in that photo
[20:01] <Zeno`> Rickta59, from holding it by the hot part?
[20:01] <IT_Sean> Someone should plug that iron in. Teach her why you don't hold it that way.
[20:01] <Rickta59> of course
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[20:02] <grandpa> maybe it is on and shes a masochist
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[20:03] * pixD is handed a note...
[20:03] <grandpa> whats it say?!
[20:03] <pixD> this note says "IT_sean, I see you" -sloopy
[20:03] <grandpa> =o
[20:04] <IT_Sean> (oO_)
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[20:05] <pixD> o.o
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[20:08] <Voop> the suspiciously cheap pi's turned out to be a scam
[20:08] <Voop> not a clone
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[20:08] <gordonDrogon> Voop, you "bought" one?
[20:08] <Voop> no, i just googled
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[20:09] <IT_Sean> HA HA
[20:09] <Voop> they listed pi3s with full kits
[20:09] <Voop> for $21
[20:09] <gordonDrogon> if it looks too good to be true ..
[20:09] <Voop> i was hoping for a clone
[20:10] <Rickta59> and you got what?
[20:10] <Voop> i wanted a rasferry zi
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[20:11] <gordonDrogon> I double there will ever be a clone unless someone can get hold of the SoC in quantity.
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[20:11] <gordonDrogon> ^never...
[20:11] <IT_Sean> If it's a chinese knock-off, would that make it a crone?
[20:12] <grandpa> banana pi?
[20:12] <gordonDrogon> banana Pi (and orange, etc.) are not clones.
[20:12] <gordonDrogon> they're alternatives - different SoC, etc.
[20:12] <grandpa> ring ring ring ring banana pi
[20:12] <grandpa> oh
[20:13] <TheLostAdmin> Oh hey! Is there a Pear Pi?
[20:13] * grandpa shrugs
[20:14] <TheLostAdmin> Then I could make a Pear Pad!
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[20:15] <TheLostAdmin> time for me to go.
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[20:15] <TheLostAdmin> have fun with your fruit based computing.
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[20:16] <Voop> soon there wont be fruits left and we'll have to move on to vegitables
[20:16] <Voop> the Pea I
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[20:17] <BluesKaj-pi> anyone have a clue if epiphany uses as a substitute for flash on raspbian jessie...thinking it probly just uses html 5 because video playback is very hit and miss
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[20:20] <Zeno`> Oh. Just remembered grandpa
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[20:21] <Zeno`> grandpa, I haven't replied to your emails yet, but yeah the grandpis I ordered from you have arrived safely
[20:24] <Voop> lol. just googled that
[20:24] <Zeno`> yikes
[20:25] <Zeno`> I probably should have as well before making the comment
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[20:25] <Voop> i dont think that one will be a hot seller
[20:26] <Zeno`> lol, nor me
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[20:54] <vrmxm> Does running make on the Pi kernel automatically use distcc if it's set up, or do I need to do something specific?
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[21:25] <ThreeGen> Hey guys, running raspbian light with with 2 displays. How do I make a program use a certain display?
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[21:30] <Voop> drag it to that one?
[21:30] <ThreeGen> No X is what I mean. Headless.
[21:30] <Voop> oh
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[21:41] <Bashy> is rpi-update still useful? Or running the latest version of RaspP and doing apt update/upgrade do the same?
[21:41] <Zeno`> wouldn't a headless environment have zero displays (not 2)?
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[21:43] <mfa298> Bashy: the stable firmware and kernel are updated via apt-get now, rpi-update is only suggeted if advised as part of trying to fix a bug
[21:44] <vrmxm> Zeno` -- I was going to say that, too, but... I didn't want to be the argumentative one today
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[21:46] <Bashy> mfa298 got it, so need to rpi-update anymore thank you
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[21:47] <vrmxm> Bashy -- Pi up and compile your kernel from source :)
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[21:49] <Bashy> vrmxm heh I do have plans on doing that after I get used the Pi. a few more weeks :)
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[21:49] <methuzla> Bashy, what mfa298 said, but a little confusing, esp. since they just posted a guide for USB boot that says to run it.
[21:51] <ThreeGen> Zeno` Well, it will have two. It just doesn't have X to manage. I guess that would be headed, just no X server?
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[21:52] <Bashy> methuzla I think that is becuase the USB boot is still on a "beta" version of the firmware
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[22:04] <Valduare> hmm I think someone just sent my youtube channel address a package lol (signed up for ups account and apparently it notifys me when any packages are scheduled for delivery)
[22:04] <Valduare> just kind of weirded me out cause I hadnt ordered anything haha
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[22:12] <IT_Sean> rabid fan? Or a wrong address.
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[22:13] <Valduare> heh
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[22:24] <grandpa> mgeneral burnside is the origin of sideburns
[22:24] <grandpa> supposedly
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[22:29] <binaryhermit> hmm, as much as I despise adafruit
[22:29] <binaryhermit> err
[22:29] <binaryhermit> hmm, as much as I despise adafruit's shipping charges, their rpi power supply is good
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[22:30] <binaryhermit> like, I paid $8.something to ship a $7.99 item I believe
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[22:31] <IT_Sean> Well, you do have the option to order the same thing for much less on zhinese ebay, and wait 53 weeks for it to arrive by boat.
[22:31] <IT_Sean> *chinese
[22:32] <binaryhermit> with power supplies, that may not be true
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[22:32] <IT_Sean> Pretty sure the chinese have USB power supplies. True, most of them lie about their output, but....
[22:33] <binaryhermit> that's the thing
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[22:33] <binaryhermit> I'm not rainbow-squaring with a usb hard drive, which is more than I can say with other power supplies
[22:33] <IT_Sean> binaryhermit, Go on Amazon. I've had good luck there.
[22:34] <IT_Sean> Just be careful who the selling party is.
[22:34] <IT_Sean> Make sure it's not, like, a Ghanzu Feng Do Wang USB 9000
[22:35] <evilHitechcg> Be careful with Chinese USB power supplies
[22:35] <evilHitechcg> Don't trust them
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[22:36] <evilHitechcg> http://www.righto.com/2012/10/a-dozen-usb-chargers-in-lab-apple-is.html
[22:36] <binaryhermit> it's almost like adafruit's profiting off shipping charges
[22:37] <Valduare> whats wrong with adafruit making money and creating jobs
[22:37] <IT_Sean> that ^
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[22:37] <Valduare> they are producing a lot of public content thats helping everyone
[22:37] <binaryhermit> do that off the item cost not the shipping charges
[22:37] * binaryhermit grumbles
[22:37] <Valduare> why
[22:38] <Valduare> when I was a kid it wasnt called shipping
[22:38] <Valduare> it was called Shipping & Handling
[22:38] <IT_Sean> binaryhermit, it makes no difference to you.
[22:38] <Valduare> which makes more sense
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[22:38] <IT_Sean> you are paying them to A) cover the cost of shipping, and B) carefully pick, sort, and pack your item. So, yes, you are paying them tosend you stuff. Deal with it.
[22:38] <Valduare> people dont realise there’s people involved in getting products across the globe to your door heh
[22:38] <evilHitechcg> <binaryhermit> do that off the item cost not the shipping charges
[22:38] <evilHitechcg> ^
[22:39] <IT_Sean> the "shipping" charge is not just the cost of postage! Someone has to physically put the item in a box, tape it shut, afix a mailing label, etc...
[22:39] <IT_Sean> If you don't like it, shop elsewhere.
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[22:40] <IT_Sean> SO, yes. At the end of the day, it may well cost $8 to ship you your item. Possibly more.
[22:40] <evilHitechcg> But why can't they just take that from the cost of an item rather than tack it on as a separate charge?
[22:41] <IT_Sean> accounting reasons.
[22:41] <evilHitechcg> to me that answers nothing
[22:42] <evilHitechcg> What accounting reasons?
[22:42] <evilHitechcg> It gets taken off in the same charge.
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[22:43] <IT_Sean> They need to track seperate shipping & part costs and charges for accounting & refund purposes. You can't just "move" a cost from one charge to another without throwing a big hairy monkey into the wrench.
[22:43] <IT_Sean> Besides, the shiupping charge does not grow lineraly with the item count, so you CANNOT build it into the cost of the items.
[22:44] <stiv> sounds like a job for machine learning! with a peta-byte of sales data, you could guestimate shipping cost vs item.
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[22:45] <stiv> otherwise, what IT_Sean said.
[22:46] <IT_Sean> I used to work for a company that manufactured, sold, and shipped equipment. I kinda know what I'm talkin' about here.
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[22:47] <IT_Sean> Trust me, they aren't bulking up their shipping charges to exploit your wallet. Adafruit is a small company. They are doing all their part picking, packing, prep, and shipping by hand. Although their chipping charges do look high, they are not unreasonable given the circumstances.
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[22:48] <IT_Sean> Amazon can ship you an item for $2 because the picking and packing is mostly automated, and they are mahoosive enough to be able to negoiate better shipping rates for themselves.
[22:48] <stiv> as i understand, adafruit has had probs with the US post office service. hence UPS, which is more expensive, but more reliable
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[22:49] <IT_Sean> the USPS is... well... I can't share my real feelings withoug breaking the channel rules, so, lets just say "ungood".
[22:50] <stiv> heh
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[22:50] <stiv> ++ungood ?
[22:50] <IT_Sean> Lets not get crazy.
[22:51] <methuzla> depends, do you want pre or post increment?
[22:52] <IT_Sean> Indeed. They might be ungood++
[22:52] <IT_Sean> :p
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[23:09] <martin290> i have a slight dilemma maybe y'all can help with. in my area, c# is used most often around here, so i wanted to focus on that to better my marketability. my question is, do you think making something to port (i'll be developing on Windows) on the pi is worth my efforts (knowing how i'd have to use mono)?
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[23:15] <kerio> is mono even still in development, now that coreclr is open source?
[23:16] * ShorTie Thinkz he'd stick to good old c
[23:16] <martin290> kerio: i don't think it's very active
[23:17] <martin290> but the .net core is open source now :)
[23:17] <kerio> or are they working *on* coreclr
[23:17] <martin290> but that doesn't work on the pi :(
[23:17] <martin290> the pi isn't x86
[23:18] <methuzla> how is the programming language tied to marketability?
[23:18] <kerio> martin290: pls fix it :(
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[23:18] <kerio> i bet it's just a handful of typedefs
[23:18] <martin290> methuzla: well if i know the language a company is using, that makes me more "marketable" to that company
[23:18] <kerio> it's always the typedefs
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[23:21] <ShorTie> i would think good programming style would be more important then c#, as that is only ms
[23:21] <methuzla> martin290, so it's for you, not your project. makes sense. but how does a pi come into play?
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[23:22] <martin290> methuzla: that's a good question. i wanted to use the pi as a web server, but, if i'm developing in c#, it's very limited what it can run
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[23:23] <methuzla> sounds like you'd be better off using some old x86 hardware
[23:23] <ShorTie> isn't web more php then anything ??
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[23:23] <martin290> ShorTie: it is, but not in my area
[23:24] * ShorTie cornfused
[23:24] <martin290> ShorTie: it;s about 3:1 in my area (for every 3 c# web positions, there's 1 php position)
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[23:35] <Valduare> martin290: howd django go lastnight
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[23:38] <martin290> Valduare: i looked at it, but i haven't tried it yet, i think it's going to be a pretty big transition from php's Laravel to django
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[23:39] <Valduare> its good to learn
[23:39] <Valduare> mvc
[23:39] <Valduare> if you do object oriented php its not a large leap
[23:39] <martin290> i know MVC pretty well, i come from a c# MVC background
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[23:42] <Valduare> well there you go :)
[23:42] <Valduare> if you want an excuse to make money, odoo.com uses python and basically django
[23:42] <martin290> :) im going to watch some videos right now!
[23:42] <Valduare> major companies use odoo for their business management
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[23:43] <Valduare> i know several small to medium sized businesses that have 30k+ implementations of odoo customized
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[23:44] <martin290> Valduare: wow that's insane, that looks HUGE
[23:44] <martin290> Valduare: and it's made in python?!
[23:44] <Valduare> aye
[23:45] <Valduare> i’ve installed it on a raspberry pi 3 too :P
[23:45] <martin290> :)
[23:45] <martin290> i need to seriously look into this then
[23:45] <Valduare> lol thats what you were suppose to do last night :P
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[23:45] <martin290> i haven't found a language that seems to suite me well, except for sql, which isn't a programming language lol
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[23:46] <martin290> im going to do it now lol
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[23:48] <kerio> martin290: python :3
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[23:48] <kerio> it's good for like
[23:48] <kerio> everything
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[23:49] <kerio> web stuff, gui stuff, scientific programming, low-level hardware stuff
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[23:52] <Valduare> what is it kivy that lets you use python /django or something to produce mobile apps too
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[23:54] <michal_f> hi all
[23:54] <IanTLopp> hello michal_f
[23:54] <michal_f> do you know of any app for detecting motion and recording video with raspiCam ?
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[23:55] <IanTLopp> don't have a pi yet, so haven't messed with it meself.
[23:55] <michal_f> what do you mean, "no PI yet" :D I already have 6 !
[23:55] <Valduare> michal_f: zoneminder
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[23:57] <michal_f> you need to get one quckly :)
[23:58] <michal_f> Valduare, thanks. looking at it
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