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IRC Log for 2016-08-12

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[0:00] <curlyears> heigh hough
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[0:29] <RocketLL> Does Raspbian Lite have a gui/de?
[0:29] <sir_galahad_ad> o/
[0:29] <grandpa> it can
[0:29] <binaryhermit> not by default, but it uses the same repos as raspbian
[0:29] <grandpa> not sure if it doesnt but i know that if it doesnt it can have it
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[0:30] <methuzla> by default, no
[0:30] <methuzla> it doesn't have a lot of things
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[0:41] <zer0s> RocketLL: the purpose of the lite version is to remove extraneous things that merely bog down performance...like a gui
[0:41] <zer0s> however, that isn't to say you can't add a gui in yourself
[0:42] <RocketLL> zer0s: Yay, perfect! just I was looking for.
[0:42] <RocketLL> So it's a minimal debian install tailored for raspi?
[0:44] <kerio> yep
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[0:45] <zer0s> :)
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[1:19] <[Saint]> RocketLL: it is worth noting that it really isn't that minimal at all.
[1:20] <[Saint]> If you want an actual minimal deployment and are comfortable with being dumped in an extremely minimal environment with extremely little configuration - where you will need to set up literally everything yourself, use raspbian-ua-netinst.
[1:22] <[Saint]> Raspbian "Lite" is somewhere in the order of 2GB.
[1:23] <[Saint]> Raspbian deployed via raspbian-ua-netinst is an order of magnitude smaller.
[1:23] <[Saint]> I don't mean that as the commonly misued parlence. It literally is almost an order of magnitude smaller.
[1:23] <[Saint]> Ever so slightly more than 200MB
[1:25] <[Saint]> It has nothing but kernel (raspbian's kernel, not RPF's - but you can change this easily) and firmware, and the debian 'base' packages.
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[2:36] <heater89> is there a way to start an X program on the remote host over ssh? i do not want to forward X.
[2:37] <SpeedEvil> yes
[2:37] <SpeedEvil> man ssh
[2:37] <SpeedEvil> see -X
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[2:38] <heater89> SpeedEvil: i specifically don't want x11 forwarding
[2:38] <heater89> (assuming that means i can see the screen on the connecting machine)
[2:39] <SpeedEvil> err
[2:40] <heater89> SpeedEvil: I want to run 'firefox' from my terminal, and it starts on the remote machine
[2:40] <heater89> or in this case, it will be feh
[2:40] <SpeedEvil> I'm not awake enough to give a proper answer
[2:41] <SpeedEvil> ssh -D will give you a proxy connection over the ssh connection
[2:41] <SpeedEvil> you can use this with X
[2:41] <ali1234> the answer has nothing at all to do with ssh
[2:42] <heater89> ali1234: i've tried 'DISPLAY=:0 <program>', but still same error about X
[2:42] <ali1234> of course, you don't have access
[2:43] <heater89> ali1234: is it possible to elaborate? or can you point me in a direction where i can read why i cannot do what i am trying to do?
[2:43] <ali1234> see man xauth
[2:44] <SpeedEvil> I was assuming that he/she was wanting encrypted
[2:44] <ali1234> over a unix socket?
[2:45] <SpeedEvil> 'X program on the remote host
[2:45] <SpeedEvil> that's not going to be over a unix socket
[2:46] <ali1234> assume this person does not understand the X11 client/server model
[2:46] <ali1234> they want to ssh in to raspberry pi, run a command, and the command shows on the pi's display
[2:46] <SpeedEvil> hmm - it could be read that way, yes
[2:46] <heater89> i do not currently understand the X11 client/server model, you are correct. i would however like to learn and know more
[2:47] <ozzzy> heater89, do you have an x server running on the target machine
[2:47] <SpeedEvil> heater89: Where do you want the display to appear - on the pi?
[2:47] <SpeedEvil> heater89: where do you want firefox to be running
[2:47] <heater89> ozzzy: SpeedEvil: I am trying to get the program 'feh' to run on an rpi to display a slide show of images
[2:48] <heater89> i do not want to have to be local to the rpi to start/restart the program
[2:48] <heater89> i would like feh to be displayed on the pi, not the machine i am using to ssh into the pi
[2:49] <ozzzy> run it as a service perhaps
[2:49] <ozzzy> ie: put it in init
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[2:49] <ali1234> ozzzy: that still doesnt explain how youre going to get a X session running to display it on
[2:50] <ali1234> although if all you want is a slideshow then i highly recommend you do not use X11 at all
[2:51] <heater89> ali1234: I am open to recommendations on how i should do this the 'right' way vs. the way i am attempting to do it
[2:51] <ali1234> well i would start with raspbian lite
[2:52] <ali1234> then i would follow this guide https://wiki.qt.io/RaspberryPi2EGLFS
[2:52] <ali1234> then i would write a slideshow program in QML (that's about 10 lines of code)
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[2:55] <heater89> ali1234: please correct me if I have misunderstood. Your recommendation is that currently with a non-lite version of Rasbian, and other tools available I cannot do what I am wanting to do, and it is suggested I re-flash an OS and write my own program to display images.
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[2:55] <ali1234> you can do it, it's just unnecessarily complicated
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[2:57] <heater89> ali1234: after this, i can ssh into my rpi and start my program to display images
[2:57] <ali1234> after what?
[2:58] <heater89> ali1234: everything you have mentioned above
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[2:58] <ali1234> yes
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[2:58] <ali1234> X won't be running
[2:58] <ali1234> no authorization needed
[2:58] <ali1234> your program uses the GPU directly
[2:59] <SpeedEvil> Starting X and using it is easy surely
[2:59] <SpeedEvil> just start X, without a WM
[2:59] <ali1234> pretty much any time anyone says "that should be easy with X" they are dead wrong
[2:59] <SpeedEvil> and start the viewer in your .xinitrc
[2:59] <ali1234> but i'm getting ahead of myself here
[3:00] <ali1234> maybe dumping X isn't the right solution in this case
[3:00] <ali1234> it depends on what exactly you are trying to do
[3:00] <ali1234> do you even need to ssh in to run it?
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[3:01] <ali1234> or i should say, why do you want to be able to do that?
[3:01] <SpeedEvil> yeah - it's easier if it's just started on boot
[3:01] <SpeedEvil> Or X restart at least
[3:01] <ozzzy> ali1234, have a user logged in and have the init start it with that user
[3:02] <heater89> ali1234: i would like to run the program feh on the current installation of rasbian. this program fetches images from disk or the network to display as a slide show. there may be a point in time where the location of those images change and i'd like to be able to remote in and change it
[3:02] <ali1234> SpeedEvil: you can't really use X without a WM if you have more than one window at any point. there are no guarantees about stacking, it can get very bad
[3:03] <SpeedEvil> ali1234: yes.
[3:03] <ali1234> heater89: okay, as i suspected
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[3:03] <SpeedEvil> ali1234: But for single app running all the time.
[3:03] <ali1234> heater89: so here is a better idea: write your own app that automaticaly updates to the new images without you having to log in and restart it
[3:05] <ali1234> heater89: with QML you can fetch images from disk or network, you can check a folder for new files, and you can even pull images from rss feeds
[3:05] <ali1234> you can program it on X11 too
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[3:06] <SpeedEvil> I would be deeply lazy.
[3:06] <SpeedEvil> I would use xv, set to fullscreen and auto-reload on changed new image, and a ten line bash script with wget
[3:07] <heater89> ali1234: alright, my initial poc is going to be from an imgur album, parse out the links using jq pipe into feh
[3:07] <ali1234> heater89: imgur you say? imgur has rss... i already wrote the exact program you need
[3:08] <heater89> ali1234: yea? i just used curl on the album i wanted
[3:08] <heater89> so really all that i expect to change is the album id
[3:08] <ali1234> yes. wait while i upload it
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[3:11] <ali1234> i need to remove all the proprietary parts of my app so i can upload it
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[3:15] <heater89> no worries
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[3:30] <heater89> ali1234: this command works for album: curl https://api.imgur.com/path/to/album -H "Authorization: Client-ID client_id" | jq -r '.data | map(.link) | join(" ")' | xargs feh
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[3:34] <ali1234> do you know how to get xml responses from the api?
[3:34] <heater89> i can read their documentation, either it'll be query string parameter or a header
[3:35] <ali1234> okay you just put .xml on the end
[3:35] <heater89> .xml
[3:35] <heater89> yup
[3:35] <heater89> ali1234: i am going to need to logoff soon
[3:36] <heater89> ali1234: only had a small window to tinker
[3:36] <ali1234> okay
[3:36] <ali1234> i'll upload this. find me tomorrow...
[3:36] <heater89> ali1234: can do, i'll pop on sometime tomorrow. thank you for all your help.
[3:36] <ali1234> going to have to implement authorization on the list model
[3:37] <heater89> SpeedEvil: thank you for helping as well. i appreciate it.
[3:37] <heater89> ali1234: SpeedEvil: see ya tomorrow.
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[3:37] <flay> Heyo
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[3:40] <Voop> is the gipo header on the mobel B (i think the first pi?) the same as the one on the zero?
[3:41] <Voop> gpio*
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[3:48] <linuxmint> test
[3:49] <linuxmint> Hello, I have a special USB keyboard that isn't recognised on the latest Raspberry Pi?
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[3:49] <linuxmint> Could it be too low power from the Raspberry Pi USB ports or drivers?
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[3:51] <Voop> could be
[3:55] <cassoPi> could be too special too
[3:55] <stiv> does does "isn't recognized" mean?
[3:56] <cassoPi> I know my sister is special and I could never understand her.
[3:56] <flay> Hm. I'm trying to ssh over usb. I've modified the /etc/network/interfaces file and restarted networking (also the entire pi) but I'm not seeing 'usb0' under ifconfig
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[4:04] <linuxmint> cassoPi: yes, it's a foldable flat key keyboard. My favourite keyboards are flat keys.
[4:04] <linuxmint> stiv: well, $ lsusb doesn't find the keyboard?
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[4:05] <linuxmint> The keyboard has 2 LED lights at the top. The left LED is off and the right LED is red...occasionally green.
[4:05] <linuxmint> Maybe a power issue from the RaPi USB port?
[4:05] <flay> linuxmint: can you link it? I've been looking for one of those. Assuming its corded
[4:06] <linuxmint> flay: k, but it's not perfect, aside from not working, it's smaller. I cannot find a regular sized flat key keyboard, that is foldable?
[4:07] <stiv> power problems is a good guess. how much does the keyboard need?
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[4:13] <linuxmint> flay: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Mini-Wireless-Foldable-Keyboard-Keypad-Bluetooth-3-0-For-IOS-Android-PC-White-/111976313418?var=&hash=item1a124ef24a:m:mv3UYHC4C0wVeXEC9ieuDXg
[4:13] <linuxmint> ...but you know it's not working and it's not a regular size?
[4:13] <linuxmint> it's too small for me...I need a regular sized flat key keyboard, that folds.
[4:14] <linuxmint> The fold keyboards are a problem too, as they separate the left and right hand keys, but mess up the 5 and 6, by putting the 6 on the left, not the right.
[4:15] <linuxmint> Although, this keyboard is quite a good fold design, with the left and right folding, rather than a fold in the middle.
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[4:15] <linuxmint> just too small and needs to work.
[4:16] <linuxmint> stiv: good question, I see no specs on the keyboard
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[4:17] <linuxmint> k, specs say Charging Current 200mA.
[4:18] <linuxmint> There's also instructions on how to pair the Bluetooth, but I plugged in a USB cable?
[4:18] <linuxmint> I guess the USB is power, but maybe not enough power, as the instructions say the LED should be green, but it's red?
[4:18] <linuxmint> Hmmm, other keyboard has enough power from the RaPi USB port.
[4:19] <linuxmint> RaPi USB ports are enough for another keyboard, mobile phone charge and Wi-Fi mouse.
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[4:24] <linuxmint> OMG, I made it work!
[4:24] <linuxmint> The Bluetooth pairing was way weird tho
[4:24] <ozzzy> it is time for you to leave now Grasshopper
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[4:24] <linuxmint> when I unplugged the keyboard, the RaPi Bluetooth found the keyboard
[4:25] <linuxmint> then the pairing and connect was weird, but after random and magic clicking it works.
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[4:27] <linuxmint> spoke too soon, not typing again?
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[4:29] <linuxmint> hmmm, had to connect the keyboard again and now works. I hope it auto connects after reboots.
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[4:31] <stiv> ah, so it was a bluetooth keyboard with usb power. also: YAY!
[4:31] <linuxmint> stiv: yes, finally :) Now, just need a bigger keyboard.
[4:32] <linuxmint> ...like a standard flat Apple keyboard (number pad not needed), that folds.
[4:33] <linuxmint> So, final issue is how to install VNC-viewer. I downloaded and unzipped, but install didn't work?
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[4:53] <[Saint]> linuxmint: for what it is worth, I'll offer you some info regarding the above in a particular circumstance:
[4:53] <[Saint]> You state that it is enough to supply mobile phone charging over Raspberry Pi USB - but this is almost certainly not the case.
[4:54] <[Saint]> It is very very likely that the device is actually actively discharging despite claiming otherwise.
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[4:54] <stiv> linuxmint, can't use regular package manager?
[4:55] <[Saint]> Android didn't get the ability to state that it was charging slowly, or actively discharging despite being powered, until Android 6+
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[4:56] * [Saint] presumes it is an Android device, because an iPhone will definitely cry about trying to charge over 600mA and it is 2016 so Android and iOS are the only two real options.
[4:57] <[Saint]> You man however pass MAX_USB_CURRENT=1 in config.txt to allow for up to 1.2A draw per port, but your PSU needs to be able to handle this draw.
[4:57] <[Saint]> Otherwise you'll just brown out the Pi and it'll fall over.
[4:59] <[Saint]> And now, for something totally unrelated to the above...
[4:59] <[Saint]> Who wants to see what happens when you make a function to procedurally generate apt-get commands in a shell-safe fashion with comments?
[5:00] * ozzzy can show you a picture of a baboon eating a watermelon
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[5:00] * [Saint] will show you something significantly more frightening:
[5:00] <[Saint]> http://pastebin.com/kM0tZhrY
[5:01] <[Saint]> might as well create an alias for it called "apt-get hope-n-pray"
[5:01] <ozzzy> ugh... prunes
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[5:01] <[Saint]> lol
[5:02] * ozzzy needs food
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[5:03] <[Saint]> Well, if I fall off the net in the next ~30s, you guys know what happened.
[5:03] <[Saint]> Tell my Pi I love her...
[5:04] <linuxmint> Well, the Bluetooth connected keyboard is intermittent. Will type, then not type. RaPi Bluetooth connection says connected at 50% and optimal.
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[5:06] <Voop> linuxmint, what do you mean by flat key keyboard
[5:06] <Voop> this logitech k360 has flat keys
[5:06] <Voop> and was like $15
[5:07] <[Saint]> linuxmint: what, out of interest, is the PSU rated at for this Pi?
[5:07] <[Saint]> Bluetooth being intermittent seems to very heavily suggest "not enough".
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[5:09] <linuxmint> Voop: flat keys
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[5:10] <[Saint]> Uuuugh, you mean one of those horrible membrane based keyboards?
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[5:10] <[Saint]> the ones that are literally flat with zero distintion between individual keys?
[5:10] <[Saint]> Any chance of a picture? "flat keys" is kinda ambiguous.
[5:11] <Voop> as opposed to round keys
[5:12] <linuxmint> [Saint]: 1V 2.5A RaPi PSU
[5:13] <[Saint]> I sincerely hope you mean 5V ;)
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[5:13] <Voop> quite the undervolt
[5:13] <[Saint]> linuxmint: if you have not already done so, you should add MAX_USB_CURRENT=1 to your /boot/config.txt
[5:14] <[Saint]> It is very likely that your BT dongle requires more than the 600mA max current the raspi can provide by default.
[5:14] <[Saint]> Some of them are hungry hungry hippos at full broadcast.
[5:14] <linuxmint> [Saint]: ah, sorry. not that flat. like this https://www.dreamstime.com/royalty-free-stock-images-flat-keyboard-image7014559
[5:15] <linuxmint> ;-)
[5:15] <[Saint]> Aha. A Mac clone.
[5:16] <linuxmint> Yes, the closest keyboard to perfect. Just need a split ergonomic version.
[5:17] <linuxmint> but for now with the RaPi, a foldable not shrunk version
[5:17] <linuxmint> no number pad needed
[5:19] <linuxmint> [Saint]: sorry, 5.1V
[5:19] <[Saint]> anyhoo - regarding bluetooth, see above.
[5:20] <linuxmint> k
[5:20] <[Saint]> you need to pass MAX)USB_CURRENT=1 for "hungry" USB devices.
[5:20] <linuxmint> k
[5:20] <[Saint]> It will at the very least provide a nice data point for pass/fail.
[5:20] <[Saint]> And then we'll definitely know we're not dealing with drive line issues, or that we are.
[5:22] <Voop> bluetooth keyboards are the worst
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[5:30] <linuxmint> [Saint]: k, edited config.txt, rebooted, but the keyboard still intermittent. Will test on the local RaPi machine.
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[5:32] <Voop> would this be the same wiring scheme on the zero?
[5:32] <Voop> https://cdn-learn.adafruit.com/assets/assets/000/017/881/large1024/adafruit_products_RaspberryPi_bb.png?1404844595
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[5:33] <Voop> pins 8 and 10 are UART on the zero
[5:34] <linuxmint> [Saint]: STILL A PROB ON THE KEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeYBOARD. ALSO STUCK IN CAPS
[5:34] <linuxmint> I THINK TH BLUETOOTH KEYBOARD IS FAULTY
[5:34] <Voop> same thing my poopy bluetooth keyboard does
[5:34] <Voop> know how i fixed the issue?
[5:34] <Voop> i threw the kb in the trash
[5:34] <ali1234> get a USB keyboard instead?
[5:34] <linuxmint> A REFUND?
[5:34] <Voop> yes
[5:35] <linuxmint> YES, ITS WEIRD AS THE KEYBOARD HAS A USB CABLE, BUT CONNECTS VIA BLUETOOTH...WHY NOT CONNECT VIA THE USB?
[5:35] <linuxmint> WELL, IT'S A SPECIAL FOLDABLE KEYBOARD, SO A REAL PAIN
[5:35] <Voop> wut?
[5:35] <linuxmint> FOLDABLE FLAT REGULAR SIZED KEYBOARDS ARE IMPOSSIBLE TO FIND
[5:36] <Voop> connects via usb but bluetooth
[5:36] <linuxmint> YEP, WEIRD
[5:36] <Voop> get the logitch k360
[5:36] <Voop> its wireless but not bluetooth
[5:36] <Voop> flat keys, doesnt fold
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[5:37] <Voop> what are TXD and RXD re: gpio
[5:38] <linuxmint> VOOP: THANKS, BUT EWWW.
[5:38] <[Saint]> Transmit and Receive
[5:38] <[Saint]> "in and out" lines for serial.
[5:38] <Voop> ah
[5:38] <linuxmint> i NEED A FLAT FOLDABLE REGULAR SIZED KEYBOARD (USB)
[5:38] <Voop> do you know which ones those are on the zero?
[5:38] <[Saint]> and one with a caplock that works, apparently.
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[5:38] <Voop> yes please stop yelling
[5:39] <[Saint]> Voop: the same as they are on every other variant.
[5:39] <linuxmint> SORRY, STUPID BLUETOOTH KEYBOARD IS STUCK IN CAPS
[5:39] <Voop> so this would be the same on the zero? https://cdn-learn.adafruit.com/assets/assets/000/017/881/large1024/adafruit_products_RaspberryPi_bb.png?1404844595
[5:39] <[Saint]> Yes.
[5:40] <Voop> awesome. thanks
[5:40] <[Saint]> linuxmint: Hold Shift, then.
[5:40] <[Saint]> Or, reboot - 'cos, seriously, damn that's annoying.
[5:40] <[Saint]> unplug, replug, do whatcha gotta do.
[5:40] <linuxmint> yesssssssss, quite tricky whwn the kb works intrmitently
[5:41] <Voop> is the usb just for power
[5:41] <Voop> what happens when you unplug it
[5:41] <[Saint]> well, I did offer a fix for that.
[5:41] <[Saint]> "sudo cat MAX_USB_CURRENT=1 >> /boot/config.txt"
[5:41] <linuxmint> Thanks, will shop around for a usb fllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllat key foldabe usb kb
[5:42] <[Saint]> Voop: on the A and Zero variants, no.
[5:42] <linuxmint> Voop: YES
[5:42] <linuxmint> yes
[5:42] <Voop> [Saint], ?
[5:42] <[Saint]> They can do a USB gadget mode.
[5:42] <Voop> i meant on his chinesium keyboard
[5:42] <[Saint]> Ahhhhh.
[5:42] <linuxmint> lol
[5:42] <Voop> apparently it plugs in via USB but works via bluetooth
[5:42] <[Saint]> I thought you meant on the Zero.
[5:43] <linuxmint> Yes
[5:43] <[Saint]> USB is just for charging.
[5:43] <[Saint]> It isn't intended to be plugged 24/7.
[5:43] <Voop> that makes more sense
[5:43] <[Saint]> That would be insane.
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[5:43] <Voop> i was making the black guy with the question marks face
[5:44] <Voop> when he first said that
[5:44] <[Saint]> "lets use a wireless access protocol and then totally negate it!"
[5:44] <[Saint]> - said no one ever
[5:44] <Voop> true, but, china
[5:44] <Voop> i saw a micro sd to SATA adapter for sale yesterday
[5:44] <linuxmint> The USB LED keyboard light is off and not red, so the extra power must help
[5:45] <Voop> is this one of those keyboards that has a built in laser pointer
[5:46] <linuxmint> k< bye and thanks
[5:46] <linuxmint> Will try a refund and find a new kb
[5:46] <linuxmint> nO
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[6:06] <linuxmint> Ok, so the caps issue was VNC Viewer, not the Chinese Bluetooth keyboard.
[6:07] <linuxmint> However, the Bluetooth keyboard is still problematic in that the Bluetooth connection is intermittent.
[6:07] <linuxmint> So, unusable until the Bluetooth connection allows reliable typing.
[6:08] <linuxmint> Also, seems to be slow connection after I stop typing. Like the keyboard sleeps very quickly and needs waking up.
[6:09] <linuxmint> Also, the RaPi USB port MAX=1, didn't help, as I think the red LED means powering up.
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[6:21] <grandpa> so bored..kinda drunk
[6:21] <grandpa> sup
[6:22] <grandpa> :)
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[6:23] <ali1234> i got it working: https://github.com/ali1234/qmlimgur
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[6:36] <Berg> :)
[6:36] <Berg> for your family allbumm
[6:36] <Berg> al
[6:36] <Berg> bum
[6:37] <Berg> i crashed my pi brownout
[6:37] <Berg> bummer
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[6:37] <Berg> new sdcard needed
[6:37] <Berg> off to shop
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[6:39] <swift110-phone> hey
[6:41] <notadeveloper> can i has windows iot for raspi?
[6:41] <oq> yes
[6:42] <Voop> i couldnt get iot to install properly
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[6:45] <notadeveloper> whats the difference between raspberry pi windows iot and raspi regular
[6:46] <oq> linux
[6:46] <ali1234> one is microsoft the other is linux
[6:46] <ali1234> the hardware is identical
[6:46] <notadeveloper> can i install linux on raspi windows iot?
[6:46] <ali1234> except that windows iot can't run on older model pi
[6:46] <notadeveloper> can i install linux on raspi windows iot?
[6:47] <ali1234> no, but you can erase windows and install linux
[6:47] <notadeveloper> oh
[6:47] <ali1234> or you can just buy another SD card
[6:47] <notadeveloper> ok ok thanks for the clarification
[6:48] <oq> linux is a lot more versatile
[6:48] <oq> it runs on almost everything
[6:48] <swift110-phone> yes true
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[6:54] <swift110-phone> linux ftw
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[6:58] <linuxmint> Hi, anyone know the best way to add a program to the Menu?
[6:59] <linuxmint> I can launch from CLI, but would like a launch from menu.
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[6:59] <ali1234> create a .desktop file
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[7:00] <linuxmint> alil234: oh, will that add to desktop, as I would like in the Menu
[7:00] <swift110-phone> li ux
[7:00] <ali1234> it will add it to the menu
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[7:00] <swift110-phone> linux mint is awesome
[7:00] <linuxmint> k, I'll research the .desktop
[7:01] <ali1234> https://specifications.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/desktop-entry-spec-1.1.html
[7:01] <ali1234> you can put it in ~/.local/share/applications
[7:02] <ali1234> if you look in /usr/share/applications you will find the .desktop files for everything currently on the menu
[7:02] <ali1234> you can copy one of those as a base
[7:02] <linuxmint> k
[7:02] <swift110-phone> smart people use linux
[7:03] <linuxmint> smart is relative and potentially elitist :)
[7:04] <grandpa> smug as a bug in a rug
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[7:04] <grandpa> people who try use linux
[7:04] <notadeveloper> xD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[7:05] <notadeveloper> sorry
[7:05] <grandpa> :>
[7:05] <notadeveloper> i made the right choice to get a raspi
[7:05] <grandpa> sure did
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[7:06] <notadeveloper> had a second thought of getting an intel nuc
[7:06] <notadeveloper> but anyways
[7:06] <notadeveloper> ok time to study
[7:06] <grandpa> i saw this atom powered dev board that comes with a windows 10 license
[7:07] <grandpa> earlier
[7:07] <grandpa> idr what it was called though
[7:07] <grandpa> way cheap if only bought for the 10 key lol
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[7:10] <oq> grandpa: windows keys that come with devices are non-transferable
[7:10] * binaryhermit wonders if it's possible to code a web server for Windows IoT
[7:10] <grandpa> man oh
[7:10] <binaryhermit> not that it's something I'd do, just wondering out loud
[7:10] <grandpa> -man
[7:10] <JK-47> yes wih windows communication framework
[7:10] <oq> binaryhermit: you can't just install iss on it?
[7:10] <oq> *iis
[7:11] <binaryhermit> I don't think there's an IIS version for Windows IoT
[7:11] * binaryhermit is ignorant on a lot of things about that OS
[7:11] <grandpa> install windows 10, then install the ubuntu subsystem then install apache2
[7:11] <grandpa> :)
[7:11] <JK-47> or you can compile mercat for it
[7:12] <binaryhermit> As I understand it, that may not be possible
[7:12] <notadeveloper> can you install docker?
[7:12] <linuxmint> ewww.iis is triggering nightmares of days long gone
[7:12] <grandpa> bela lugosi's dead
[7:12] <linuxmint> k, i'm focusing on .desktop for real now
[7:13] <grandpa> .ok
[7:13] <linuxmint> :-)
[7:13] <grandpa> :>
[7:13] <grandpa> focus harder!
[7:16] <hypermist> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23048236/ will this run every 2hrs or run once and not run again please help :(
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[7:20] <Berg> why do you need to kill python?
[7:21] <Berg> hypermist:
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[7:21] <hypermist> Berg, well i need a way to kill the scripts then restart them
[7:22] <Berg> why does it need restarting?
[7:22] <hypermist> because it breaks after a period of time
[7:22] <hypermist> so i want it to reboot every 2hrs
[7:23] <Berg> so have a thread in your python script that reboots yor program
[7:23] <Berg> we need a extra
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[7:24] <Crom> I haven't yet run Pgo, not likely to wither
[7:24] <Crom> either
[7:24] <Berg> look at processing hypermist
[7:25] <Berg> you can start a process and have a seperatre ont to kill it and restart it
[7:26] <Berg> https://docs.python.org/2/library/subprocess.html
[7:26] <hypermist> well thats why i just wanted to kill the python rpcoess and restart it Berg lol
[7:26] <Berg> you using that?
[7:26] <Berg> just use the included end process method
[7:27] <Berg> if time == time + 2hours
[7:27] <Berg> kill it restart
[7:27] <ali1234> why dont you just fix your code?
[7:27] <Berg> thats what im trying to get to ali1234
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[7:28] <ali1234> i thought they banned pokemon go trackers?
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[7:28] <Berg> i hate pokemon go i love python
[7:28] <Berg> :)
[7:29] <Berg> get your pi toi reboot every 2 hours
[7:29] * Berg has all the best plans
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[7:29] <hypermist> ali1234, maybe because its not my code
[7:29] <hypermist> Lol
[7:29] <ali1234> well complain to the author
[7:29] <hypermist> Lol they broke throught ali1234 they cracked the new api
[7:30] <hypermist> Berg, its a vps. but since it was related to linux :p
[7:30] <Berg> ooo
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[7:30] <ali1234> i looked on a pokemon go map and there's no pokemons near me at all
[7:30] <Berg> sorry i thought you musta run it on a pi
[7:31] <Berg> look in the Kagoshima power plant
[7:31] <Berg> plenty there
[7:32] <Crom> hmmm thinking back on watchdogs... i think I had the code touch a semephore file in /var/run every 15 minutes and had a watch dog kill and restart the process if the timestamp was over 45 minutes old. Longest time the process could be late was running around 35 minutes as it processed news/mail coming in.
[7:35] <Crom> my stepdaughter goes out 3 nights a week with friends hitting the local pokestops. Old Town, Fish pond...
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[7:36] <Crom> anywhere there is a plaque, monument, historic site... it's bound to be a Pokestop
[7:36] <Crom> or Gym
[7:36] <hypermist> Berg, but would what i posted work as a restart script ?
[7:36] <hypermist> or not ?
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[7:37] <Berg> why dont you try it and see
[7:37] <hypermist> i'd have to wait 2hrs xD?
[7:37] <Berg> debuging own code is good for you
[7:37] <hypermist> nah i'll just change it to like 5min or w/e
[7:37] <Berg> change it to run every 60seconds
[7:38] <hypermist> how would i tell if it worked ?
[7:39] <Crom> hypermist, looks like it would. though I'd put a sleep 120 between the kill python line and sleep 2h for the next line
[7:39] <Crom> look at the process ID of your process
[7:39] <hypermist> so sleep 2h; then sleep 120s then sleep 2h ?
[7:40] <Crom> it'll off set the 2 sleep 2h by 2 minutes
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[7:40] <Crom> sleep 2h ; pkill python & ^n sleep 120 ^n sleep 2h; your app
[7:41] <Crom> sleep 2h ; pkill python & ^n sleep 120 ^n sleep 2h; your app &
[7:41] <hypermist> alright
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[7:42] <linuxmint> ali1234: thanks, just to let you know, I found this instruction easiest https://specifications.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/desktop-entry-spec-1.1.html
[7:42] <linuxmint> <ali1234> you can put it in ~/.local/share/applications
[7:42] <linuxmint> <ali1234> if you look in /usr/share/applications you will find the .desktop files for everything currently on the menu
[7:43] <linuxmint> sorry
[7:43] <linuxmint> http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/177386/how-can-i-add-applications-to-the-lxpanel-application-launch-bar-via-cli
[7:43] <linuxmint> all working now
[7:44] <Crom> damn pine64... no Chrome armhf and chromium isn't loading
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[7:46] <binaryhermit> *desktop linux armhf chrome
[7:46] * binaryhermit assumes chromeos is compiled for armhf on arm devices
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[7:47] <binaryhermit> since I'm typing this on a rockchip-based chromebook
[7:49] <hypermist> well Crom it ran it once. then said done. and hasnt done it again xD
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[7:50] * binaryhermit can be a pedantic jerk
[7:51] <Berg> i had a dog named pedantic i shot it
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[8:27] <grandpa> i havent worn a nicotine patch in 2 days \o/
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[8:32] <binaryhermit> grandpa: but the question is, have you smoked in that timespan? If not, congrats, I guess
[8:34] <[Saint]> Even if he has smoked infrequently, that is no small feat.
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[8:38] <binaryhermit> true
[8:39] <grandpa> binaryhermit: nope
[8:39] <grandpa> :>
[8:39] <binaryhermit> it's kinda like, I struggle with self-control regarding food and am about 20 pounds overweight. I want to lose that weight and a little more, if I keep from binging often enough to lose weight, it's a win
[8:39] <Drzacek> the goal is to smoke never ever again, right? so smoking infrequently is kinda bad
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[8:40] <binaryhermit> though even if I don't, I'm healthier at 185 than 435
[8:40] <grandpa> well i quit smoking for several months last time
[8:40] <Drzacek> I'm sure you can do it for real this time
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[8:40] <grandpa> :)
[8:40] <Drzacek> Don't dissapoint me :D
[8:40] <grandpa> :3
[8:41] <grandpa> my biggest problem was that mom kept smoking while i was trying to quit
[8:41] <grandpa> but this time she isnt smoking either
[8:42] <grandpa> idk if i should do the steps down or not though
[8:42] <grandpa> i was using the step 1 patch
[8:42] <grandpa> which is the highest
[8:44] <Drzacek> You should find some distraction
[8:44] <grandpa> yar
[8:44] <Drzacek> My dad, when he was quiting, he was eating candies each time he wanted a cigarette
[8:44] <Drzacek> that helped him, gave him a few extra kilograms too though
[8:44] <grandpa> hmmm
[8:45] <grandpa> i have gum
[8:45] <Drzacek> many of my friends were complaining, that during quiting they don't know what to do with their hands/fingers
[8:45] <grandpa> yea?
[8:45] <Drzacek> because usualy they were holding cigaretes, not they were empty
[8:46] <Drzacek> so maybe drum sticks? xD
[8:46] <grandpa> ;p
[8:46] <grandpa> unfortunately i have no rhythm and im tone deaf ;p
[8:46] <Drzacek> that's okay, me neither
[8:46] <Drzacek> that doesn't stop me from making annoying noises
[8:47] <grandpa> i was thinking about that gameboy thing with the ri inside
[8:47] <grandpa> rpi
[8:47] <Drzacek> you mean the coolest rpi project of all time?
[8:47] <grandpa> but i dont have a 3d printer
[8:47] <grandpa> yes
[8:47] <grandpa> ;p
[8:47] <Drzacek> you don't need a 3d printr
[8:47] <Drzacek> get some hobby wood
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[8:47] <Drzacek> glue the stuff together
[8:47] <grandpa> obalsa?
[8:48] <Drzacek> don't know how it's called
[8:48] <grandpa> -o
[8:48] <Drzacek> probably balsa or something
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[8:48] <grandpa> hmm
[8:49] <Drzacek> you would need some other machines though, like drill and a saw
[8:49] <grandpa> i dont have anything other than a light tool bag
[8:49] <grandpa> ;s
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[8:51] <Drzacek> well, then making it portable could be a problem
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[8:51] <grandpa> :>
[8:52] <Drzacek> you can always use shapeways or 3dhubs
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[8:53] <grandpa> yar
[8:53] <grandpa> i think i'd have to cram more goodies into it though
[8:53] <grandpa> like a tv-b-gone clone
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[8:56] <Drzacek> all you need is pi0, that cheap 3.80 EURO LCD, 10 buttons and wire
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[8:56] <Drzacek> + the battery circuit with battery
[8:56] <Drzacek> and lots of hot glue:D
[8:57] <grandpa> :D
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[9:11] <WadeWatts> hi
[9:12] <WadeWatts> guys does the pi go into same save power state of it hasnt been logged on for a while
[9:12] <WadeWatts> i have to ping the pi before sshd was made available
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[12:06] <cassoPi> eh shit happens
[12:06] <cassoPi> :)
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[12:40] <radioslave> Anyone found a decent alternative to Sunrise.am yet?
[12:40] <radioslave> or any web based calendar that isn't Google Calendar/Outlook
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[13:06] <Chunkyz_> Hi
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[13:42] <WadeWatts> radioslave: https://github.com/Kickball/awesome-selfhosted
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[13:44] <radioslave> well well
[13:45] <WadeWatts> more than the pi can take ;)
[13:45] <radioslave> aw
[13:45] <radioslave> But it'd just be a local url link wouldnt it
[13:45] <radioslave> so assuming my pis are on the same network it should work
[13:46] <WadeWatts> still searching for a lightweight photogallery
[13:47] <radioslave> annoying problem, because my ambition is just to display a calendar. But OWA is absolute crap
[13:47] <radioslave> and nothing else links with O365
[13:47] <radioslave> (properly, anyway)
[13:47] <\er> just pipe the output of cal
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[13:48] <\er> cal > blah.txt and display blah.txt
[13:48] <radioslave> not that savvy yet, basically taught myself the basics in a few weeks
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[13:48] <radioslave> and managed to get this digital signage actually running as I like it so far, so it's one thing
[13:48] <radioslave> i'll try and learn up on 'piping'
[13:49] <radioslave> I think most of my issues are stemming from update intervals on calendar ICS's
[13:49] <radioslave> (or the lack thereof)
[13:49] <\er> well > is not piping (it's redirection) but *shrug*
[13:51] <gardar> radioslave: have you looked at owncloud?
[13:51] <WadeWatts> radioslave: http://www.k5n.us/webcalendar.php
[13:51] <WadeWatts> but its php and mysql
[13:51] <WadeWatts> i dont want that on my own server
[13:51] <WadeWatts> but if you dont mind
[13:51] <WadeWatts> its decent webcalendar
[13:51] <WadeWatts> a
[13:52] <WadeWatts> looks decent
[13:52] <radioslave> Yeah there's a lot of 'decent' looking ones, but the problem is this is going to be outward facing
[13:52] <radioslave> not just for the IT room
[13:52] <radioslave> that's why Sunrise.am was so nice
[13:52] <radioslave> it didn't look naff
[13:52] <WadeWatts> so basically a team calendar?
[13:52] <WadeWatts> web only
[13:52] <radioslave> Honestly, from the amount of research (read: reddit searches) i've done there isn't a nice alternative for web
[13:53] <WadeWatts> yes its not easy
[13:53] <radioslave> Just a calendar with a 'holo' feel (for lack of a better word) that allows O365 Integration
[13:53] <radioslave> or even just ICS integration with proper update intervlals
[13:53] <radioslave> intervals
[13:53] <radioslave> which is what Google Calendars problem is now
[13:53] <radioslave> and has been for....5 years
[13:53] <gardar> What problems do you have with https://github.com/owncloud/calendar
[13:53] <radioslave> There's a fair few solutions but the themes are pretty WIn95 looking
[13:54] <radioslave> Oh That actually looks really decent!
[13:54] <radioslave> I didn't see that image prior
[13:54] <radioslave> That's not bad at all, might give it a whirl
[13:54] <radioslave> At the moment I have a RPi3 autostarting into Chromium which is loading 3 tabs and rotating between them on set intervals
[13:55] <radioslave> This would be viewable in a tab?
[13:55] <gardar> I've used it as a gcal replacement, supports all the main protocols so it's easy to use with any cal apps on my phone
[13:55] <WadeWatts> oh wow owncloud calendar looks really decent
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[13:55] <radioslave> says latest chromium
[13:55] <radioslave> hmmm, nice one i'll have a delve
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[13:56] <radioslave> before I get into this, are my assumptions correct in that with OwnCloud i'd be able to host a view to the calendar on the web?
[13:57] <gardar> yep
[13:57] <radioslave> unreal
[13:57] <radioslave> cheers
[13:57] <gardar> and you'll get a lot of extras too
[13:58] <gardar> I'm using it as a dropbox replacement and a address book replacement, store all my contacts in owncloud and sync it with my phone
[13:58] <radioslave> very cool
[13:58] <radioslave> being open source do you think this is overly moddable in terms of the layout?
[13:59] <radioslave> like If I wanted just the calendar to show
[13:59] <radioslave> and not the side bars
[13:59] <radioslave> or substitute the side bar with a weather widget or something
[13:59] <gardar> Yes you can probably do that
[13:59] <radioslave> and onwards we press
[13:59] <gardar> Here's a list of addons you can get for owncloud btw https://apps.owncloud.com/
[13:59] <radioslave> thanks man
[14:00] <WadeWatts> its php and mysql
[14:00] <gardar> yep
[14:00] <WadeWatts> since you mentioned the outward aspect
[14:00] <radioslave> looks like i need to learn some semblance of php and mysql then
[14:00] <gardar> Here's another cal app for it: https://apps.owncloud.com/content/show.php/Calendar+Plus?content=170560
[14:00] <WadeWatts> owncload i mean
[14:00] <WadeWatts> cloud
[14:01] <radioslave> also not terrible looking, not as good as the first but still
[14:02] <WadeWatts> no i dont mean that you have to learn them
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[14:03] <WadeWatts> mysql and php are vulnerabilities
[14:03] <gardar> name me one web programming language that isn't
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[14:05] <WadeWatts> i dont think he is doing for himself
[14:05] <WadeWatts> but rather for his workplace
[14:05] <gardar> radioslave: this might also be of interest: https://apps.sandstorm.io/app/8kr4rvyrggvzfvc160htzdt4u5rfvjc2dgdn27n5pt66mxa40m1h
[14:07] <ahihi> there are certainly languages that do a great deal of static verification to prevent common programming errors that result in vulnerabilities
[14:07] <ahihi> I am more inclined to trust a haskell web app than a php one
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[14:08] <ozzzy> Haskell has vulnerabilities too
[14:08] <gardar> WadeWatts: Well there's some general advice he can follow, like making sure to be always up to date, he could configure modsecurity, he could limit the access to the service in his firewall by only allowing known ip's or only allowing the country he's located in, heck he could even put the install behing vpn
[14:09] <gardar> behind*
[14:09] <gordonDrogon> don't blame the language for the code written in it.
[14:09] <ozzzy> ^^
[14:09] <ahihi> it's not about having zero vulnerabilities ever, it's about using tools that at least attempt to minimize them
[14:09] <WadeWatts> gardar: vpn is the way
[14:09] <gordonDrogon> php has had vulnerabilities in the language itself, but these have been rare - the sheer volume of code written in PHP guarantees that some of it will be full of security holes and worse.
[14:10] <gardar> WadeWatts: Ideally yes, but that might not be an option
[14:10] <WadeWatts> well if it is a company it should be
[14:10] <gordonDrogon> remember; you can write FORTRAN in any language...
[14:10] <ozzzy> vpn isn't an option
[14:10] <ahihi> PHP makes it very easy to write code that is prone to e.g. SQL injections or XSS
[14:11] <ozzzy> ahihi, if you write bad code don't blame the language
[14:11] <WadeWatts> well same languages are more prone to errors
[14:11] <gardar> WadeWatts: Using the enterprise version of owncloud could give some insurance, depending on their contract (I haven't read it)
[14:11] <ozzzy> not really
[14:11] <ahihi> yes, really
[14:11] <ozzzy> how so
[14:11] <WadeWatts> but i am not a webdev so no clue whats good or bad in the web world
[14:12] <ozzzy> so if you don't know why would you make that statement
[14:12] <WadeWatts> which statement?
[14:12] <ahihi> strong, static type systems exist precisely to eliminate certain classes of errors
[14:13] <WadeWatts> the prone to error?
[14:13] <ozzzy> that some languages are more prone to error
[14:13] <WadeWatts> thats in general
[14:13] <WadeWatts> i am dev just not a web dev
[14:13] <ozzzy> even strongly typed languages can be full of holes if one writes the holes in
[14:14] <WadeWatts> ye but its harder in managed languages
[14:14] <gardar> One pitfall that web devs fall in to these days are using bad frameworks and libraries
[14:14] <ahihi> ozzzy: yes, but it's much harder to do by accident
[14:14] <gardar> *cough* node.js *cough*
[14:14] <ozzzy> oh please
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[14:17] <\er> yay! Language and framework war!
[14:17] <WadeWatts> care to elaborate why you think its always a bad code issue ozzzy?
[14:17] <WadeWatts> lol
[14:17] <BurtyB> next up bikes vs cars
[14:18] <ozzzy> then operating systems
[14:18] <gardar> Guys guys guys, why don't we all just write in assembly
[14:18] <ozzzy> assembler.net wooohoooo
[14:18] <WadeWatts> cause i am not a masochist :)
[14:18] <mfa298> the issue with php is there are lots of bad examples that newcomers follow then write up what they did leading to even more bad examples.
[14:19] <mfa298> by the time people move to writing web apps in python/ruby/anything else they've usually learnt a lot more about good coding.
[14:19] <WadeWatts> and why not vpn? pushes the whole problem away ... and you can do as you please
[14:19] <ozzzy> WadeWatts, for one... if your app is expecting data of a certain type in the query string then the code should be able to discard anything that doesn't fit what it wants
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[14:20] <gardar> WadeWatts: using a vpn to sync your every day calendar wherever you are isn't the most user friendly thing
[14:21] <WadeWatts> ozzzy: thats a very "detailed" answer :)
[14:21] <ozzzy> well.. this is 'web developing 101'
[14:22] <WadeWatts> it is?
[14:22] <WadeWatts> okay
[14:22] <ozzzy> but to just dismiss any language offhand because someone at sometime wrote bad code that opened a hole is just silly
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[14:22] <ozzzy> sorry... s/is/isn\'t
[14:22] <ahihi> who's doing that?
[14:23] <ahihi> I used PHP for about 9 years
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[14:23] <ozzzy> yeah... I still use PHP, PERL and BASH for web stuff
[14:23] <\er> ozzzy, are you from africa?
[14:23] <WadeWatts> gardar: many companies do so
[14:23] <ozzzy> \er, nope
[14:24] <\er> hmm
[14:24] <gardar> WadeWatts: on mobile devices too? For email/cal?
[14:24] <gardar> That's impressive
[14:24] <WadeWatts> yep
[14:24] <\er> ozzzy, with the nick I thought you might have been
[14:25] <ozzzy> \er, hmmm... most think I'm from Australia
[14:25] <WadeWatts> its a compliance thing
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[14:25] <\er> too obvious. Africa was a better guess
[14:25] <gardar> WadeWatts: In what country if you don't mind me asking?
[14:25] <WadeWatts> germany
[14:25] <gardar> that explains it :>
[14:25] <WadeWatts> but its the same in us
[14:25] <WadeWatts> since we use the same vpn :D
[14:26] <gardar> It's not something I'd dare to suggest to any of my clients
[14:26] <WadeWatts> nah for employees not for clients
[14:27] <ozzzy> we didn't have internet at work
[14:27] <gardar> WadeWatts: erm yeah I meant customers
[14:27] <\er> well, in siberia you obviously wouldn't normally have internet at wrok
[14:27] * gardar is setting up firewalls/vpn's every day
[14:28] <WadeWatts> ahh
[14:28] <ozzzy> our operational networks had no physical connection to the internet at all
[14:28] <gardar> ozzzy: north korea?
[14:29] <WadeWatts> lol
[14:29] <ozzzy> Canada LOL
[14:29] <gardar> :P
[14:29] <ozzzy> there was a machine in the lunch room that had corporate email access... but I never read them
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[14:30] <gardar> Yeah that's the thing... Users skip everything they can if it's too much of a trouble
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[14:30] <curlyears> amazing what happens when you spell the channel name right :p
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[14:30] <curlyears> gardar?
[14:30] <gardar> zup curlyears
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[14:31] <curlyears> not much...to what were you rteferring with the comment about users?
[14:31] <curlyears> s/rt/r/
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[14:32] <gardar> just a discussion we're having, about how security can be inconvenient for users
[14:32] <gardar> so some companies choose less security
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[14:33] <WadeWatts> ya well if there is a leak, you will have to pay
[14:33] <ozzzy> and to keep security simpler we just had no connection between our operational nets and the bad, scary internet
[14:34] <\er> our LAN at work has no connection to the internet either
[14:34] <gardar> Just hope nobody came with a 3G usb dongle and plugged in to one of the machines connected to the operational nets :>
[14:35] <WadeWatts> or a simple smartphone
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[14:35] <Sadale> <\er> our LAN at work has no connection to the internet either
[14:35] <Sadale> \er, wow.
[14:35] <\er> Sadale, why wow?
[14:36] <Sadale> \er, well, that works. :P
[14:36] <gardar> Yeah, but well there are solutions to those problems too, like blocking the usb ports from unauthed devices etc.
[14:36] <\er> I don't even have access to USB at my desk
[14:36] <Sadale> \er, how do you google for stuffs then?
[14:36] <\er> Sadale, I can't
[14:36] <Sadale> :(
[14:36] <Sadale> That's counterproductive if you want to do some research and development thingies
[14:37] <\er> I can't at that computer*
[14:37] <gardar> But it increases productivity since nobody can be on facebook all day :)
[14:37] <WadeWatts> its blocked in some companies anywat
[14:37] <gardar> yeah but where there is a will there is a way
[14:37] <WadeWatts> ofc
[14:37] <WadeWatts> you can proxy
[14:38] <\er> my job doesn't really need the internet. Any research I need to do would be from journals and we have access to those
[14:38] <WadeWatts> but who goes through all that trouble
[14:38] <WadeWatts> when you have a smartphone
[14:38] <gardar> you can have pretty strict rules and ban proxy sites etc
[14:38] <WadeWatts> you cant block them all
[14:38] <\er> or, I just work at my other desk
[14:38] <WadeWatts> there is always a way
[14:38] <mfa298> I've come accross companies where they'll be seperate machines on opposite sides of the room (or even different rooms) where work is done on something not internet connected and then seperate internet machine for if you need to look up stuff
[14:39] <\er> which is a desk that anyone can work at but I call it mine lol
[14:39] <\er> mfa298, it's like that at my work
[14:39] <\er> (different rooms entirely)
[14:39] <Drzacek> gardar, sitting on facebook all day increases productivity
[14:40] <gardar> \er: what kind of company is this if you don't mind me asking?
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[14:41] <ozzzy> mfa298, we couldn't guarantee our data if any old romanian hacker had access to our nets
[14:41] <ozzzy> hehe
[14:42] <Sadale> BTW, if you disconnect from the internet, you wouldn't need to worry anything about network security :-)
[14:42] <Sadale> (assuming that everyone accessing the network are trust-worthy enough :P)
[14:42] * gardar puts up his tinfoil hat
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[14:43] <ozzzy> our operational machines gave the users no access to anything but the applications we ran and no access to a command line
[14:43] <WadeWatts> hm this conversion really spiraled out of control :D
[14:43] <ozzzy> WadeWatts, nothing else going on LOL
[14:43] <mfa298> gardar: plenty of places will have that sort of setup if they work on stuff that has to be kept confidential. I think it's more common in places linked to military and defence, but can happen anywhere
[14:44] <ozzzy> or air traffic control [grin]
[14:45] <WadeWatts> well i wanted a simple webcalendar 1000 lines ago :D
[14:45] <\er> gardar, nothing to do with electronics or programming but we deal with sensitive data (both gov and corporate).
[14:45] <WadeWatts> err photogallery
[14:45] <\er> gardar, it's research
[14:45] <gardar> mfa298: I actually think it in some cases it can have the negative effect, where some users will do anything in their power to be able to access the internet, etc.
[14:45] <ozzzy> I wrote one of those in PHP in about an hour
[14:45] <ozzzy> it's not pretty... but it works LOL
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[14:46] <WadeWatts> -_-
[14:46] <ozzzy> http://www.ozastro.ca/php/selector.php
[14:46] <\er> I *can* get stuff across the "airwall"
[14:46] <ozzzy> LOL
[14:46] <gardar> WadeWatts: yeah the amount of lines we've written here are probably more than would exist in a simple webcal source
[14:46] <ozzzy> \er, I couldn't
[14:46] <\er> but I have to make a release request and sign it if necessary
[14:47] <\er> depends on the data
[14:47] <mfa298> gardar: at least some of those places will have internet connected machines, they're just physically seperate to where the confidential work is carried out
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[14:48] <ozzzy> mfa298, that's what we did.... put a machine in the lunchroom that had internet and corporate email
[14:48] <gardar> mfa298: yeah well on that level then the users probably do agree that the work is confidential and then you won't have those issues I mentioned
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[14:49] <\er> gardar, they trust *us* (the people who work with me), but they don't trust the data being even remotely able to be accessed via the internet
[14:50] <WadeWatts> well i will just netcat the output of 'task calendar'. works as well
[14:50] <\er> so if I need data (to work with at home for example), I just make the release request, sign a thingy if they approve and done
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[14:50] <Drzacek> sound they making it easy not to take work home
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[14:51] <\er> Drzacek, it's easier than you think
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[14:51] <gardar> \er: yeah understandably. Still a pretty "old school" way of doing things but I guess there are not many other options
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[14:52] <\er> gardar, most data can be released unrestricted so a release request is kind of like a 1 minute procedure
[14:52] <\er> if it's "releasable data" then it's just licensed to me and done. I take it home
[14:52] <gardar> Drzacek: yeah opposite to what most companies I'm around are doing... They'll give the employees phones of their own choosing and computers etc. Sounds really nice at first but then you realize it's just so that they can reach you any time and make you work at home :)
[14:53] <\er> if it's non-releasable data then it might take a day or longer
[14:53] <\er> I guess the higher ups need to review it I dunno
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[14:53] <WadeWatts> gardar: yep. its from japan
[14:54] <WadeWatts> they even have dinner together
[14:54] <curlyears> gardar: when my second to last employer tried to hang a pager on my belt, I told them to go fuck themselves. They said "We'll fire you if you don't." I said "Fire Away, you don't pay me enough to make me wear a leash 24XX7!"
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[14:54] <\er> They could probably streamline it a little bit but I've never had problems with access or taking home data that I need
[14:54] <WadeWatts> and organzie dating events for people in the company
[14:54] <curlyears> oops...language...forgot I was on Raspberry pi. Apologies
[14:54] <WadeWatts> just to keep them in the company
[14:54] <gardar> A company I was working with bought a bunch of windows based nokia phones but after a few weeks they noticed the employees just left those phones at home and used their own phones in their free time... So what the company did then was to allow all of the employees just to buy what ever phone they like
[14:55] <gordonDrogon> are pagers still a thing?
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[14:56] <\er> I'd almost forgotten about pagers
[14:56] <\er> blast from the past
[14:56] <gordonDrogon> 20+ years ago for me and even back then I had a mobile phone..
[14:56] <gardar> pagers are retro and cool, I'd rock the heck out of it if I was offered one!
[14:56] <curlyears> my visiting nurse has a tablet (Samsung, IIR). The battery charger/management system is screwed. Seomtimes, It'll go all day on a charge, sometimes it simply will nnot work without being plugged inm despite having been charged overnight.
[14:57] <BurtyB> I have one from back in the 90s tho I doubt it still works
[14:57] <gardar> curlyears: wakelocks?
[14:58] <curlyears> The compnay she works for provides the tablets. But when she can make time in her busy schedule to go into the office and sit on hold for 45 minutes to takj toa company support tech, she invariably gets told: "We're not sure what the trouble is."
[14:59] <curlyears> gardar: no, it'll just totally shut down in the middle of tasks. Or suddenly the voice dictationn software stops working
[15:00] <gardar> Sounds like a fried battery
[15:00] * Drzacek is sad - he got laptop and phone from his company
[15:00] <\er> Well, I'm not actually sure what it might be
[15:00] <\er> :D
[15:00] <curlyears> gardar: at the very least. We have found the wiggling the power connector where it plugs into the side of the tablet helps SOMETIMES.
[15:01] <\er> How do I get a visiting nurse?
[15:01] <\er> I'd love one of those
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[15:01] <gardar> curlyears: that might be the issue aswell, loose connector on the motherboard... I'm assuming you have ruled out the micro usb cable?
[15:02] <curlyears> \er: turn 63, have rally bad health, and be on disability without an automobile or any useful transportation. It ain't worth it.
[15:02] <\er> yeah probably not :(
[15:02] <\er> my fantasies just went a bit wild
[15:02] <Drzacek> Tablets are cool gadgets, but In my humble opinion, hardly dependable hardware for work. It combines all flaws of cell phones and PC together
[15:02] <gardar> Getting hookers might be more appealing
[15:02] <curlyears> gardar: yeah, it does the same with many different cables, more likely the motherboard connection.
[15:03] <curlyears> what in heaven's name would I *DO* with a hooker?
[15:03] <\er> lol
[15:03] <\er> play chess?
[15:04] <gardar> curlyears: I was telling \er it might be easier/cheaper for him to get a hooker than turn 63 and have bad health, etc.
[15:04] <Drzacek> you can take her to a hotel and watch movies, and then after few weeks marry her..oh wait, that was a movie
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[15:04] <curlyears> I can play chess. I even won a small chess tournament once. Not my favorite thing to do, however.
[15:04] <gardar> curlyears: If it were my own and not under any kind of a warrenty I would seriously try a different rom on that table, just to rule out it's not a software issue
[15:04] <gardar> a different rom on the tablet, not the hooker - just to be clear
[15:05] <\er> lol
[15:05] <Drzacek> oh, yeah, right
[15:05] <curlyears> it belongs to the nursing company, and it is still under a "no touchie" clause with the company
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[15:05] <gardar> Try flashing all the ports of the hooker with your new rom!
[15:05] <\er> I love santa clause
[15:06] <gardar> curlyears: I understand, don't they have a few tablets then? So she can swap hers out?
[15:06] <Drzacek> curlyears, the tablet, right?
[15:07] <gardar> Drzacek: oh boy :D
[15:07] <Drzacek> it ain't my fault :D
[15:08] <curlyears> gardar: apparently not. And, in a trully crummy setup, if the table breaks and requires any kind of repairs, they make HER pay for it
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[15:09] <\er> haha
[15:09] <Drzacek> not that is unfair
[15:09] <Drzacek> now*
[15:09] <gardar> Well if you are feeling brave you could try this https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Samsung+Galaxy+Tab+2+10.1+Charger+Port+Replacement/37859
[15:10] <gardar> if it's the same tablet then it doesn't look that difficult actually, just pop the rear cover and replace the ribbon cable
[15:14] <curlyears> My eyes don't focus well, and my hands shake like leaves. I am not opening ANYONE'S tablet, under any circumstances.
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[15:16] <cousin_luigi> Greetings.
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[15:16] <cousin_luigi> I still haven't ordered my raspi 3, but I wanted to ask how installation of a custom distro happens, usually.
[15:17] <cousin_luigi> Is a network boot possible, or does it have to be done offline?
[15:17] <gardar> network boot is not possible unless you have a sd card that has network boot software
[15:18] <pksato> cousin_luigi: RPI3?
[15:18] <cousin_luigi> pksato: yes
[15:18] <mfa298> with the pi3 you can netboot now, but you need an SD card to set the OTP bit to enable it
[15:18] <cousin_luigi> I see.
[15:19] <cousin_luigi> mfa298: "OTP"?
[15:19] <mfa298> most of the OSes you can install have images you can just write to the SD card as well
[15:19] <cousin_luigi> mfa298: I wanted standard debian if possible.
[15:19] <mfa298> cousin_luigi: one time programable
[15:19] <cousin_luigi> perhaps with a custom kernel as they tell me on #debian-arm
[15:19] <cousin_luigi> mfa298: Still doesn't ring a bell.
[15:20] <mfa298> cousin_luigi: raspbian is basicly debian with pi specific modifications.
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[15:20] <mfa298> so might be the best place to start if you're new to the Pi
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[15:20] <cousin_luigi> mfa298: I like doing things the hard way.
[15:21] <cousin_luigi> mfa298: What bootloader is it used for starters? u-boot?
[15:21] <gardar> If you purchase the noobs package with the rpi3 you'll get a sd card that already has raspbian on it
[15:21] <gordonDrogon> custom bootloader.
[15:21] <gordonDrogon> although others have been implemented, they all boot from the Pi Foundations custom bootloader.
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[15:22] <mfa298> OTP is generally low fairly low level on the soc, in this case it's telling the small bit of firmware on the Soc to try usb devices (mass storage and network) for booting.
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[15:22] <gordonDrogon> if you want to PXE boot it, then you need to first boot it via SD card which programs a one-time-programmable fuse in the chip, it will then PXE boot ...
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[15:23] <gordonDrogon> best stick to raspbian off an SD card to start with.
[15:23] <mfa298> if you're new to the Pi I'd highly suggest starting with raspbian on an SD card and then start experimenting from there
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[15:24] <binaryhermit> gordonDrogon: you're not gordon hollingworth, are you?
[15:24] * binaryhermit is just curious
[15:24] <binaryhermit> feel free not to answer
[15:24] <gordonDrogon> binaryhermit, I'm another Gordon. there are many.
[15:24] <binaryhermit> I see
[15:24] <cousin_luigi> gardar: I saw the package comes with a sd card. I assume the noobs thing is on it. But still I'd rather build everything on my own for this project.
[15:24] <gordonDrogon> cousin_luigi, gentoo is that way --->
[15:24] <cousin_luigi> gordonDrogon: I'm not that kinky...
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[15:25] <gordonDrogon> you generally don't built stuff for debian/raspbian because it's all built for you.
[15:25] <gardar> The rpi version of archlinux is quite nice
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[15:26] <mfa298> cousin_luigi: stating on raspbian will at least let you get used to how the Pi boots and works before you try doing your own thing. Currently you will need to use some of the foundation as parts are binary blobs.
[15:26] <cousin_luigi> gordonDrogon: I'd like to use standard debian packages at least. And create my own image.
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[15:27] <cousin_luigi> mfa298: blobs? What blobs?
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[15:27] <gordonDrogon> the bootloader.
[15:27] <mfa298> cousin_luigi: parts of the firmware are binary blobs
[15:27] <cousin_luigi> mfa298: I don't like that
[15:27] <gordonDrogon> user-land from the kernel up is open source as far as I'm aware.
[15:27] <cousin_luigi> I don't like that at all
[15:28] <cousin_luigi> even the bootloader is closed source?
[15:28] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[15:28] <cousin_luigi> can another bootloader be used?
[15:28] <gordonDrogon> the bootloader runs in the GPU not the ARM.
[15:28] <gordonDrogon> and broadcom basically own the gpu, although there are good works in progress to open it up.
[15:28] <cousin_luigi> These are very bad news for me.
[15:28] <mfa298> someone did start on reverse engineering the firmware/bootloader but I think it's fairly limited in what it can do.
[15:29] <pwillard> a chunk of rpi is closed source... always has been
[15:29] <gordonDrogon> cousin_luigi, other ARM SBCs are avalable. good luck.
[15:29] <cousin_luigi> gordonDrogon: thanks!
[15:29] <SpeedEvil> cousin_luigi: pick another platform
[15:29] <pwillard> maybe you ant an odroid
[15:29] <pwillard> want
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[15:29] <mfa298> It's not really that different to other architectures, do you have the source code for the bios for your intel PC ?
[15:30] <pwillard> ^^
[15:30] <cousin_luigi> mfa298: no, but I hope to run coreboot in my next one
[15:30] <\er> what soldering iron wattage should I buy?
[15:30] <cousin_luigi> as I do on my router and servers
[15:30] <\er> My current one may as well not exist
[15:31] <cousin_luigi> \er: it's all in the tip, that's where you don't want to spare money
[15:31] <\er> hmm
[15:31] <gordonDrogon> the fact that the gpu is a dark horse is not exactly new in the Pi world. it's been that way since day 1 - 4.5 years of physical Pi's and a year or so before that when the platform was finalised...
[15:31] <cousin_luigi> gordonDrogon: TIL
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[15:31] <\er> cousin_luigi, I only solder maybe once a month so I don't want to spend a fortune but I want something that will actually melt solder lol
[15:31] <gordonDrogon> it's not a perfect solution for some, but it's workable.
[15:31] <SpeedEvil> \er: what are you wanting to solder
[15:31] <mfa298> and of course with other SBC's they might be all opensource but good luck running anything other than the specific kernel they provide source for or getting full hardware acceleration.
[15:32] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mini-Portable-USB-5V-8W-Electric-Powered-Soldering-Iron-Pen-Tip-Touch-Switch-OV-/161897715250?hash=item25b1db1632:g:OQgAAOSwgyxWVX0T
[15:32] <\er> SpeedEvil, usually just small PCBs, connect wires stuff like that
[15:32] <cousin_luigi> \er: once a month is enough to warrant a decent iron
[15:32] <gordonDrogon> I still want a Metcal soldering iron...
[15:32] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-8D5t6TJYU - review
[15:32] <cousin_luigi> mfa298: I don't need video output
[15:32] <SpeedEvil> Above may be fine - see review
[15:32] * \er watches the utube
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[15:35] <cousin_luigi> thanks & bbl
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[15:38] <\er> I wish my soldering iron could melt solder
[15:38] <TheLostAdmin> maybe you need to put a drop of acid on it first.
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[15:39] <\er> vinegar?
[15:39] * BurtyB blames lead free solder for that
[15:39] <SpeedEvil> \er: Is the tip shiny?
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[15:39] <gardar> just the tip
[15:39] <\er> SpeedEvil, not really heh
[15:39] <SpeedEvil> \er: that's the problem
[15:39] <\er> it's more black
[15:39] <\er> hmm
[15:39] <\er> can that be fixed?
[15:39] <mfa298> having something that can hold the heat near the tip will likely help, applying solder will take heat away from the tip
[15:39] <\er> i have 499 spare tips here perhaps I should try a new one?
[15:39] <SpeedEvil> You need to repeatedly tin the tip - covering it in solder
[15:40] <SpeedEvil> that too
[15:40] <\er> ok, I'll do that
[15:40] <SpeedEvil> repeatedly tin and wipe the iron, and do not leave it on.
[15:40] <\er> how do I look after it... just tine, wipe and turn off when finished?
[15:41] <mfa298> make sure you've got a wet sponge or some other tip cleaner to be able to wipe it on regularly
[15:41] <\er> i wipe it on a wet tissue :(
[15:41] <\er> maybe that's the problem heh
[15:42] <gardar> wet tissue is fine, as long as it's wet
[15:42] <\er> yeah I probably let it dry out
[15:42] <SpeedEvil> moist is better
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[15:43] <gardar> tissues dry quite quickly
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[15:43] <\er> yeah, after one or two wipes
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[15:44] <BurtyB> you don't get crud form the paper on the tip ?
[15:44] <BurtyB> form=from
[15:44] <\er> well I might do
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[15:47] <\er> ok, putting new tip in
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[15:48] <gordonDrogon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5zrgEDsxSQ <-- soldering demo.
[15:49] <gordonDrogon> it's a bit long, so just fast wind through to V.
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[15:51] <\er> V?
[15:52] <\er> 5 minutes?
[15:53] <rain1> you solder then snip
[15:53] <rain1> i snip then solder
[15:53] <rain1> who is right? :P
[15:53] <\er> gordonDrogon, that's exactly how I try and do it... it's just that the solder doesn't melt :D
[15:53] <pwillard> I boought my first iron in 1978... it still works (well). So consider buying a good one.
[15:54] <\er> ok I might buy a decent one. I'll give this new tip a shot first
[15:54] <pwillard> I bought a name brand, Weller. My current "goto" iron is a Hakko FX-888 and I love it.
[15:54] <gordonDrogon> pwillard, I'm using an old Weller in that video - I got it round about '78 and it was 2nd hand then - however it failed not long after I made that video, but I really can't complain...
[15:55] <binaryhermit> hmm, adafruit has the 512 MB A+ in stock, it seems
[15:55] <binaryhermit> FWIW
[15:55] <gordonDrogon> \er sounds like the iron isn't hot enough then.
[15:55] <\er> gordonDrogon, what's that thing you had on the backside?
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[15:56] <\er> at 7:05
[15:56] <pwillard> Mine still works... but the socket/plug at the base is really giving up and there are no easy replacements. Since I like the Hakko so much now, I may finally retire the Weller
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[15:56] <\er> blu-tak?
[15:56] <ahihi> rain1: if you solder then snip, you risk damaging the joint
[15:56] <gordonDrogon> \er, blu tack.
[15:57] <\er> oooh I like that trick
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[15:58] <gordonDrogon> rain1, in nearly 40 years of soldering (then snipping) I've yet to have an issue with it ...
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[15:58] <pwillard> What Mine looks like: http://assets.suredone.com/2033/media-photos/st0034434-weller-tc202-soldering-station-with-tc201-soldering-pencil.jpeg
[15:58] <gordonDrogon> pwillard, ah, the old blue base..
[15:58] <pwillard> Temperature is controlled by the tip used... 800 or 700
[15:59] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/weller.jpg
[15:59] <gordonDrogon> their magnastat tips ...
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[15:59] <gordonDrogon> (IIRC)
[15:59] <pwillard> I actually bought it used at a flea market in 1978 for $45.
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[15:59] <\er> maybe I should go to a flea market
[16:00] <gordonDrogon> aka. car boot sales here...
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[16:00] <pwillard> well, the Grafton Flea Market in Massachusetts was pretty awesome in the 1970s
[16:00] <\er> there is one that operates near here on sat/sun... I think I'll drop in
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[16:01] <\er> can't hurt. Even if I can't find a soldering iron they have good doner kebabs
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[16:10] <Chillum> huh, I have never tried soldering with a kebab
[16:11] <\er> lol
[16:12] <\er> nah i shall eat it!
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[16:14] <\er> the kebab; not the soldering iron
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[16:22] <Chunkyz_> I'd love a kebab right now lol
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[16:22] <Tenkawa> hi all
[16:23] <Chunkyz_> Hi Tenkawa
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[16:40] <radioslave> unrelated to anything, but in my search for the best looking full screen weather site I found this: https://earth.nullschool.net/
[16:40] <radioslave> quite neat
[16:41] <radioslave> wish it ran on the pi
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[16:47] <gardar> how about this one radioslave? http://map.norsecorp.com/
[16:47] <radioslave> hahahah
[16:47] <radioslave> is that a DDOS map?
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[16:48] <gardar> yeah
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[16:58] <vrmxm> pwillard -- You from MA?
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[17:23] <pwillard> Originally.
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[17:37] <vrmxm> Long time ago?
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[17:38] <vrmxm> I'm trying to get back to MA, but it's a tought job market
[17:38] <vrmxm> *tough
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[17:44] <pwillard> been gone since 1986... used to work at DEC in Marlboro
[17:45] <Tenkawa> reminds me of my days a long long long time ago at ncr
[17:46] <vrmxm> New California Republic?
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[17:46] <vrmxm> pwillard -- Wow... you've been gone almost as long as I've been alive
[17:46] <Tenkawa> vrmxm: i assume that was a joke?
[17:47] <vrmxm> Tenkawa -- Yes, but I don't know what NCR is off the top of my head
[17:47] <Tenkawa> national cash register originally
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[17:47] <Tenkawa> went to just ncr at some point
[17:49] * Tenkawa just wishes it would col down some around here
[17:49] <Tenkawa> er cool
[17:50] <vrmxm> For real
[17:50] <Tenkawa> its been majorly hot lately
[17:50] <pwillard> Been in Atlanta since... looking to go to PAC NW
[17:51] <vrmxm> I wouldn't mind the northwest, but... same problem getting a job there as here in DC it seems. Clearance, clearance, clearance.
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[17:51] <Crom> my first memory board was ncr 1k core memory
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[17:52] <Tenkawa> Crom: I knew microchannel boards well for a while
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[17:53] <Tenkawa> back in the svr4 days
[17:53] <pwillard> what prevents you from getting clearance
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[17:53] <vrmxm> Not being employed by someone who needs it
[17:53] <pwillard> AH
[17:54] <vrmxm> You can't just go get it on your own, and almost all of the jobs in my field require it to even apply
[17:55] <pwillard> Well, as a network security person, I have an idea. Took my dad a while to get clearance to put the phone system in the Pentagon in the late 70's
[17:56] <\er> OOPS
[17:56] <\er> the pack of soldering iron tips only has 100 in it, not 500
[17:56] <\er> so I now have 98 left
[17:56] <Tenkawa> why is that oops though?
[17:56] <Tenkawa> sounds like you have plenty
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[17:56] <\er> 'cause I said I had 500
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[17:57] <Tenkawa> oh just a verbal only oops
[17:57] <\er> yeah
[17:57] <Tenkawa> couldve been worse
[17:57] <Tenkawa> only 10 when you actually needed 100
[18:00] <\er> heh
[18:00] <\er> I think 100 will last be a very long time anyway
[18:00] <\er> I only ordered 1
[18:00] <\er> they sent me 100
[18:00] <pwillard> LOL
[18:01] <Tenkawa> heeheheeh
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[18:05] <vrmxm> Network security huh? I'm cyber security myself, among other things.
[18:05] <vrmxm> Most recently cysec, anyway
[18:06] <vrmxm> Of course there's also the old catch-22 of need-experience-to-get-experience
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[18:11] * IT_Sean writes "Old" in the comments section of his file on Tenkawa
[18:11] <Tenkawa> yep
[18:12] <Tenkawa> cheap trick, elp, elo, heheheheh
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[18:12] * IT_Sean also writes in "possibly poor taste in music"
[18:12] <Tenkawa> what?????
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[18:12] <\er> The Flame!
[18:12] <IT_Sean> :p
[18:12] <Tenkawa> they had some good stuff
[18:12] * \er turns it up
[18:12] <Tenkawa> and yes some blah
[18:12] * IT_Sean turns it down
[18:12] * \er turns it up again
[18:12] * IT_Sean turns it down again
[18:12] * \er turns it up again
[18:12] <\er> lol
[18:12] <Tenkawa> Rush!!
[18:13] <Tenkawa> CCR
[18:13] * IT_Sean smashes the hi-fi with a framing hammer
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[18:13] <Tenkawa> heheheheheheeh
[18:13] <\er> I'm going crazy I'm losing sleep
[18:13] <\er> I'm in too far, I'm in way toooo deep
[18:13] <\er> over you oooo oooo
[18:13] <Tenkawa> haahaaa
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[18:14] <IT_Sean> (-_-)
[18:14] * IT_Sean stuffs a gym sock into \er's mouth
[18:14] <Tenkawa> haahaa
[18:14] <\er> lol
[18:14] <Tenkawa> ouch
[18:14] <Tenkawa> oooh... some newer metal now playing
[18:14] <\er> remember after the fire, after all the rain, I will be the flame
[18:14] <IT_Sean> Don't make me get the duct tape!
[18:14] <\er> lol
[18:15] <\er> wherever you go I'll be with you
[18:15] <\er> OOPS I didn't mean to type that
[18:15] * IT_Sean gets the ducttape
[18:15] <\er> it just came out
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[18:16] * \er tapes his fingers to the desk
[18:16] * IT_Sean covers \er's keyboard in quick set epoxy
[18:17] <\er> lbh jrer gur svefg gb or gur ynfg
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[18:17] * Tenkawa has actually seen some good acts at ozzfests
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[18:17] <Tenkawa> no sarcasm
[18:18] * IT_Sean checks the sarcasm-o-meter
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[18:18] <IT_Sean> [ \ ]
[18:18] <Tenkawa> nono .. i really liked those shows
[18:18] <IT_Sean> Hmm... I detect a slight bit of sarcasm.
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[18:18] <dysoco> So I have a cellphone charger with 5V and 2A, though I still get the rainbow at the top-right of the screen. Is it safe to use it anyways? I'm trying to get a proper power supply but I'd like to use my new RasPi3 in the meantime.
[18:18] <\er> I have something I'd like to say to IT_Sean
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[18:19] <\er> http://dpaste.com/0TC97TH
[18:19] <Tenkawa> dysoco: rainbow?
[18:19] <IT_Sean> dysoco, So long as the Pi is stable, it's safe.
[18:19] <chithead> the pi will continue to run, just slower
[18:19] <dysoco> Tenkawa, yeah the rainbow square that appears on the top-right when you have low voltage
[18:20] <Tenkawa> hmm.. never had it happen
[18:20] <dysoco> you probably have a proper power supply :P
[18:20] <Tenkawa> good point
[18:20] <chithead> or you never put your pi under load ;)
[18:20] <dysoco> I see, OSMC looked kind of sluggish when playing video, but maybe it was because I was streaming
[18:20] <Tenkawa> chithead: mine are hammered when they are used
[18:20] <chithead> then what dysoco said
[18:20] <Tenkawa> indeed
[18:21] <Tenkawa> uggh 88 out now
[18:21] <Tenkawa> just keeps getting hotter
[18:21] <Tenkawa> :(
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[18:21] <\er> has anyone else seen this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kry8lbrHjeY
[18:21] <dysoco> so if I just use it as SSH/Web server nothing should happen right? I was a bit worried about it running too hot or something
[18:21] <Tenkawa> 88F/31C
[18:21] <\er> I'm thinking of building a version using the pi and a bunch of LEDs
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[18:23] <\er> if that guy can do it in a game with +/-/or/and I can do it with pi
[18:23] <\er> actually who needs the pi
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[18:24] <bieb> is it better to install kodi on the pi on it's own? or from the builds like openelec or osmc?
[18:25] <\er> bieb at the end of the day it probably makes 0% difference
[18:25] * h4ndy is now known as H4ndy
[18:26] <bieb> \er: I looked at the latest stable openelec and it has Kodi 15 not 16.. how hard is it to update? or do I have to wait for an openelec update?
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[18:27] <\er> do you *need* the latest version?
[18:28] <\er> If I were to go to the trouble I'd remove the package and build it myself. But I wouldn't go to the trouble
[18:28] <bieb> \er: I was trying to install the beast package in kodi and it is looking for 16
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[18:28] <\er> hmm, ok. I'm not sure then. Maybe someone with more package experience knows
[18:29] <\er> I imagine it's easy enough
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[18:29] <bieb> \er: could I just install raspian, then install kodi? I am new to the pi
[18:29] <\er> a) remove distro package; b) install "third party" package
[18:30] <\er> I'm not sure... I don't use raspbian
[18:30] <\er> but that would be the logical approach
[18:30] <bieb> \er: what are you using?
[18:30] * \er will wait to hear other answers
[18:30] <\er> arch
[18:30] <bieb> \er: ok.. thanks
[18:31] <TheLostAdmin> darn it, I just got Rick Rolled.
[18:31] <m0rd3cai> So i noticed my raspi 3 was on but not working. looked at it and found that my SD (scandisk ultra hc) is so hot that it literally gave me a blister. What could cause that to get that hot?
[18:31] <IT_Sean> TheLostAdmin, LOL!
[18:31] <methuzla> never gonna....
[18:31] * IT_Sean thumps methuzla
[18:34] <\er> I guess TheLostAdmin decoded my message to IT_Sean (http://dpaste.com/0TC97TH)
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[18:47] <sloth> 14 minutes
[18:47] <pwillard> I fried a sandisk once... turns out I gave the SD card a barely visible crack when I removed the Pi3 from its case with the SD still installed. (Yes, I bent the SD during case removal). These are super delicate... and that was all it took. It got melty hot.
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[18:48] <Encrypt> pwillard, Hopefully the Pi didn't fry
[18:49] <pwillard> Survived
[18:49] <IT_Sean> SD card slots are, generally, pretty fault-tolerant.
[18:49] <IT_Sean> It would be kinda hard to fry a pi with a damaged SD card.
[18:50] <pwillard> I did utterly destroy a 1st edition pi full size SD socket. No idea how... it essentially self destructed.
[18:50] <Encrypt> x)
[18:51] <Encrypt> SD cards (slots) don't like you pwillard, I'm afraid :D
[18:51] <pwillard> Luckily full size is a helluva lot easier to fix than the ones we have now
[18:51] <pwillard> me and my hamhands
[18:52] <IT_Sean> Stop shoving ham in the SD slots.
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[18:52] <pwillard> http://i.imgur.com/SrWf7DP.jpg
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[18:55] <pwillard> Hmmm there is only 1 way that Epson can sell you this: "Epson Expression Home XP-330 Wireless Color Photo Printer with Scanner and Copier" for the same price as a Pi3. Printer Ink.
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[18:56] <Encrypt> pwillard, Have you considered buying a laser printer?
[18:56] <Tenkawa> uggh printers
[18:56] <Tenkawa> paper....
[18:56] <Tenkawa> blah
[18:56] <pwillard> Honestly ,I ONLY buy laser printers
[18:56] <n0vacane> ^^
[18:56] <IT_Sean> pwillard, that's true of any printer. The hardware is a loss-leader. They make their money seeling overpriced ink.
[18:56] <IT_Sean> I have not owned a printer in nearly a decade.
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[18:57] <pwillard> and I use my laser printer as a "printer" maybe 10% of the time.. the rest of the time its used for toner transfer to make PCB's
[18:57] <Encrypt> Ah ah :D
[18:58] <pwillard> Having been an HP employee since they bought Compaq... I know about INK.
[18:59] * IT_Sean fills pwillard's house with magenta printer ink to a uniform depth of two meters
[19:00] <stiv> random data point: bought a low end wireless samsung color laser. tl;dr: love it + no dried out cartridges
[19:00] <pwillard> Blub blub... OMG... it's $5000.00 a gallon... Save it!. --- I was able to create a nice wireless CUPS printer server with my rpi2 that was cheaper than my unreliable Hawking printserver.
[19:01] <stiv> pwillard, what are you doing to etch the boards?
[19:01] <IT_Sean> CUPS = Crappy Unreliable Print Server
[19:01] <Encrypt> I also have a black laser printer attached to my Raspberry Pi with CUPS
[19:01] <\o`> I like black
[19:01] <Encrypt> IT_Sean, Nope, it works well
[19:01] <pwillard> No, it actually works amazingly well as a cups server
[19:01] <pwillard> trouble free like 8 months now
[19:01] <IT_Sean> It will fail tomorrow, now you've said that. :p
[19:01] <Encrypt> I had to set it as raw btw, and use xinetd
[19:02] <Encrypt> Thanks Samsung for not providing ARM drivers
[19:02] <\o`> Canon is worse
[19:02] <IT_Sean> Printers are evil.
[19:02] <\o`> I have a $700 scanner that only has XP drivers lmao
[19:02] <pwillard> The hawking would lockup without warning... and could only be fixed if I reattached it to the LAN
[19:02] <Encrypt> \o`, Ah ah :P
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[19:04] <pwillard> My complaint about the color Samsung laser I have is the really small cartridges and that it won't print black, even if the print is only text due to a COLOR being empty.
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[19:04] <pwillard> But my LEXARK is a trooper
[19:04] <pwillard> LEXMARK
[19:05] <pwillard> I had to buy a whole new scanner when I upgraded to win7.
[19:05] * IT_Sean has a flashback ot The Tonersplosion at his old company
[19:05] <pwillard> WIN7 would not support older canon scanner
[19:05] <WadeWatts> guys does the pi ever need more than 1k mA?
[19:06] <WadeWatts> pi3 in this case
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[19:06] <WadeWatts> searching for a bottleneck cause my wifi is sluggishly slow
[19:06] <pwillard> https://sociorocketnewsen.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/rampage-mode-engage.jpeg?w=528&h=456
[19:06] <WadeWatts> omg
[19:06] <stiv> don't forget you need power for pi + whatever is connected.
[19:07] <WadeWatts> stiv there is nothing connected
[19:07] <pwillard> It could use 1000mA just supplying the USB ports
[19:07] <stiv> iirc, pi 3 power supplies run 2+ amps
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[19:07] <WadeWatts> ah
[19:07] <WadeWatts> meh have to buy new power supply
[19:08] <pwillard> Higher speed, More memory, more default peripherals (wifi bluetooth) all add up.
[19:08] <WadeWatts> ahh good point
[19:08] <WadeWatts> have to turn off bluetooth
[19:09] <WadeWatts> oh are you kidding me
[19:09] <stiv> wi-fi is surprisingly expensive compared to other radio options
[19:09] <WadeWatts> 15 euros for a sumple power supply
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[19:10] <WadeWatts> ya i guess thanks for the info stiv
[19:10] <stiv> WadeWatts, you want a *decent* power supply. not some phone charger
[19:10] <WadeWatts> ya i have a phone charger
[19:10] <WadeWatts> 1A
[19:10] <IT_Sean> 2A for a Pi 3
[19:11] <WadeWatts> i guess the pi scales down when connected to such a power source
[19:11] <stiv> big diff between clean 5v vs barely rectified 5v
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[19:12] <stiv> WadeWatts, i think pi is basically 3.3v . so you need input greater than that
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[19:12] <WadeWatts> okay
[19:12] <IT_Sean> The pi requires a 5v input. _some_ of the Pi is 3.3v, which it has an internal regulator for. But your supply must be 5v.
[19:12] <pwillard> I pay $7 for an off the shelf 5V 2.5Amp supply from Frys (retail)
[19:13] <pwillard> I'm sure you can do better than that buying from say DX or AliExpress
[19:13] <IT_Sean> Minimum 1A (1000 mA) for a Pi 1 / 2, or 2A (2000 mA) for a pi 3
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[19:13] <jgar0605> orking with pylirc and i've got everything configured properly and working (can control my terminal with peel smart remote from my phone) and the python code (http://pastebin.com/vvC4QANk) is working (not throwing any errors) except pylirc's function 'nextcode' does not output anything
[19:14] <pwillard> Or you get http://i.imgur.com/xuZSMq5.jpg
[19:14] <oq> at this rate the foundation better supply their own psu with the pi4
[19:14] <stiv> the multi-colored rectangle of death?
[19:15] <methuzla> jgar0605, pastebin link is gone
[19:15] <jgar0605> methuzla, https://paste.pound-python.org/show/CIVAUbijNqHAybXcjKWz/ this should work
[19:16] <SpeedEvil> https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00GX3BKKW?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o07_s00 - I recommend
[19:16] <SpeedEvil> WFM
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[19:16] <SpeedEvil> Overkill is the best kind of kill
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[19:16] <IT_Sean> oq, The Foundation leaves it to you to supply your own PSU for two reasons: 1) Most people have a bunch already, and 2) The cost of sourcing seperate power supplies for each geographic region / country would drive up the cost of hte Pi.
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[19:16] <pwillard> Personally, I'm hoping they stop using the USB connector for power and use it for OTG and then make us use a real DC jack.
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[19:17] <oq> IT_Sean: yes but at the rate the power requirements are increasing...
[19:17] <pwillard> yes, but originally, you *could* use your spare phone charger... but now the average phone charger wont cut it.
[19:17] <IT_Sean> Point #2 still stands.
[19:17] <IT_Sean> And really, it's not difficult to source a good PSU
[19:17] <SpeedEvil> pwillard: the average phone charger now is not 2.5W
[19:18] <oq> its difficult enough
[19:18] <IT_Sean> Not really.
[19:18] <oq> you never know whether a psu does what it says without thorough testing
[19:18] <WadeWatts> stiv: do you think that could power the pi3 properly? https://www.amazon.com/Anker-Charger-PowerPort-Multi-Port-Samsung/dp/B00VH8ZW02
[19:18] <pwillard> Assuming its what people already have is actually less true now
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[19:19] <oq> WadeWatts: anker is a decent enough brand and it powers 2.4 ma max per port, should work
[19:19] <WadeWatts> nice thanks
[19:19] <stiv> WadeWatts, that looks like a phone charger. if i were me, I'd buy a pi power supply from amazon
[19:19] <oq> 2.4 a*
[19:20] <SpeedEvil> The one I linked actually will do ~40W
[19:20] <stiv> i got one by cannakit (sp?) seems to work
[19:20] <methuzla> jgar0605, running with sudo?
[19:20] <SpeedEvil> And is $15
[19:21] <pwillard> Having this kind of DC jack on a PI would really make sense. https://www.amazon.com/Charger-Supply-2-5mmx0-8mm-2-5x0-8-Android/dp/B009PB7N6E
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[19:21] <gordonDrogon> 40 watts. 5 ports. that's 8 watts per port, or I = P / V = 8 / 5 = 1.6A per port. Hopefully it's not regulated like that...
[19:23] <n0vacane> i use blackberry playbook tablet chargers that i bought on sale for $3/each
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[19:23] <n0vacane> 1.8a, works very well
[19:23] <n0vacane> nice thick and long cord
[19:24] <oq> pwillard: my issue with those barrel connectors is there's no standard for the polarity, you have to decipher the symbols on the psu
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[19:24] <oq> why the industry couldn't just pick one way I'll never know
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[19:25] <pwillard> This is a decent charger, btw. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Genuine-Original-Hp-TOUCHPAD-NORTH-AMERICAN-POWER-Charger-AC-Supply-FB341AA-ABA/230918135221
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[19:25] <pwillard> oq: I so agree with you.
[19:26] <jgar0605> methuzla, sudo and non, the result is the same. While i was setting up the remote with irrecord i noticed that the volume down key and a couple select other keys would output ^[[26~ before the actual code. in the python script i believe it is (kind of) working because the volume key (one of the few) outputs ^[[26~ four time per key press. I've also tried standard lirc with the same result. The only next thing i could think to try is py
[19:26] <jgar0605> lirc2
[19:27] <stiv> that looks like some sort of escape sequence
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[19:29] <stiv> it is like a message header to whatever device you are talking to
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[19:30] <pwillard> Like ANSI sequence
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[19:30] <jgar0605> I guess i just find it strange because I setup a bunch of different keys with irrecord and half of them output nothing
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[19:31] <\o`> it's the "repeat code" I believe
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[19:32] <WadeWatts> hmm'
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[19:34] <WadeWatts> sorry guys have to ask again
[19:34] <WadeWatts> https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Memory-MicroSDXC-UHS-I-Adapter/dp/B00J29FF4G/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?s=wireless&ie=UTF8&qid=1471023214&sr=1-1-fkmr0&keywords=Samsung+Speicherkarte+MicroSDXC+64GB+EVO+Plus+UHS-I+Grade+1+Class+10
[19:34] <jgar0605> Maybe it is because the remote i setup has "raw_codes"
[19:34] <WadeWatts> is this a decent sd card for the pi3?
[19:35] <jgar0605> not a fan of usb root?
[19:35] <WadeWatts> sorry here the short link: https://goo.gl/vHYmtr
[19:35] <pwillard> WadeWatts: I wouldn't
[19:35] <pwillard> All my BAD SD experiences lately have been with high capacity samsungs
[19:36] <WadeWatts> already bought them just searching for the bottle neck :/
[19:36] <pwillard> I had 2 32GB EVO that worked fine until the 2nd or 3rd reboot then quit.
[19:37] <oq> I've had no bad experiences with 8gb sandisk ultras
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[19:40] <pwillard> I know, right... I would say that more than 1/2 of my 15 Pis' use that card.
[19:42] <\o`> you can't have 15 pis
[19:42] <oq> bramble?
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[19:42] <WadeWatts> really odd up and download to my pi samba share are 200 kb/s ...
[19:43] <\o`> you may only have 3, 31, 314, 3145, 314159 pis etc
[19:43] <\o`> 15 isn't acceptable
[19:43] <WadeWatts> and scp timeouts everytime
[19:43] <WadeWatts> are there know issues with pi3 wifi?
[19:43] <pwillard> well, there is no 1/5 of 15 either
[19:43] <pwillard> 1/2 rather
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[19:44] <\o`> WadeWatts, someone last night was asking about that as well
[19:44] <pwillard> at $5 each though... they are a good card
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[19:46] <WadeWatts> \o`: did he or she get an answer? my logs dont go that far
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[19:47] <\o`> WadeWatts, I don't think so unfortunately. Not that I can recall anyway
[19:47] <oq> WadeWatts: tried turning off the power management thing?
[19:47] <WadeWatts> oq: wlan0 power off?
[19:47] <WadeWatts> aready done
[19:48] <oq> wireless-power off
[19:48] <oq> in your network config file
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[19:49] <WadeWatts> oh just a sec ...
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[19:53] <WadeWatts> oq: are you referring to /etc/network/interfaces
[19:53] <oq> yeah
[19:53] <WadeWatts> yep its off
[19:54] <WadeWatts> ah
[19:54] <WadeWatts> the pi doesnt like ipv6
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[20:15] <pwillard> Not much actually does. Except maybe all of Belgium
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[20:21] <WadeWatts> so no one here with a pi3 has sluggish wlan connection speed?
[20:21] <WadeWatts> sluggish as in 300kb/s only
[20:21] <WadeWatts> when wgetting some random package from the interwebs
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[20:23] * binaryhermit wonders if that's not an internet connection issue
[20:23] <jgar0605> having issues now with lirc where it is outputting multiple codes after one key press
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[20:23] <WadeWatts> binaryhermit: just tested with my desktop. 2 mb/s
[20:23] <WadeWatts> same wget on same file
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[20:24] <WadeWatts> wget -O /dev/null http://speedtest.wdc01.softlayer.com/downloads/test10.zip
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[20:26] <binaryhermit> I just got like 1.25 MB/s on that file from one pi3 over wifi
[20:27] <binaryhermit> 1.22 MB/s from another pi3 not as close to the router
[20:28] <WadeWatts> i guess you turned off power save as well
[20:29] <WadeWatts> cant find a bottle neck
[20:29] <WadeWatts> must be my wlan network
[20:29] <WadeWatts> been tryuing for hours now
[20:30] <binaryhermit> I think that raspbian does that by default now
[20:30] <WadeWatts> nope i had to configure it
[20:30] <binaryhermit> my internet maxes out at 1.5 MB/s or so, in theory
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[20:31] <WadeWatts> okay thats it
[20:31] <WadeWatts> eth0 now
[20:31] <WadeWatts> done with wlan
[20:31] <WadeWatts> :'(
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[20:42] <pwillard> I have no issues with wireless in pi3
[20:42] <WadeWatts> ya well
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[20:42] <WadeWatts> it works now
[20:42] <pwillard> ah
[20:42] <WadeWatts> since i move the pi on top of my router
[20:42] <WadeWatts> -_-
[20:43] <pwillard> Mine is about 30ft away
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[20:43] <martin290> anyone here develop with python + django?
[20:43] <WadeWatts> mine just one floor higher
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[20:46] <WadeWatts> i use my old pi wifi usb stick for the desktop pc no issues.
[20:46] <WadeWatts> but onboard wifi from pi3
[20:47] <WadeWatts> :S
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[20:48] <pwillard> I'm STILL mad about how crappy the Element14 WIPI adapter was, I got suckered.
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[20:56] <patrask> the RPi branch still hasnt pulled the fix for CVE-2016-5696. does anybody know if the foundation will bother to apply the patch anytime soon?
[20:56] <patrask> http://www.isssource.com/fixing-an-internet-security-threat/
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[20:58] <dan2wik> seems fun
[21:00] <ali1234> patrask: open an issue on github, that usually gets their attention
[21:01] <ali1234> https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues/new
[21:02] <patrask> will do later tonight if noone beats me to it :P
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[21:23] <\o`> gordonDrogon, can you test MCP3204/08 and add if you approve?
[21:24] <\o`> patch is here: https://github.com/Zeno-/wiringPi/commit/ab6ab120a0712b2ec8c00ceaeb12ad3cda9156dd.patch
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[21:24] <\o`> or here (if you want something easier to read but less friendly for git) https://github.com/Zeno-/wiringPi/commit/ab6ab120a0712b2ec8c00ceaeb12ad3cda9156dd
[21:26] <\o`> I should push my changes to 3004/08 as well but *shrug*
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[21:28] <\o`> https://github.com/Zeno-/wiringPi/commit/ab6ab120a0712b2ec8c00ceaeb12ad3cda9156dd#diff-7a469a1d90c448700dea8ee072509653R70 should probably be node = wiringPiNewNode (pinBase, 4) ; but wanted to keep consistent with current 3004/08 code
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[21:31] <bpye> Anyone know if the rpi f take PRs for tools? I have a VS solution for the usbboot tool and some changes, so it can be used with the Zadig drivers which are suitably signed for W10 as opposed to theirs, which isn't
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[21:48] <\o`> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKW7TIjqZAA
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[21:50] <izzyi2d2> whats up everyone
[21:52] <Berg> sky mars pluto
[21:52] <IT_Sean> clouds
[21:52] <IT_Sean> birds
[21:52] <Berg> cobwebs
[21:52] <IT_Sean> my cholestrol
[21:52] <IT_Sean> airplanes
[21:53] <Berg> chann el humour
[21:53] <IT_Sean> America's national debt
[21:53] <Berg> ok im not having fun with motion config grrr
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[21:54] <Berg> \i need a pre set motion.conf file that works this one is grubby
[21:54] <Berg> says it dont have that or unknow define
[21:54] <Berg> grr
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[22:04] <grandpa> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoXDe8HxHBA
[22:05] * \o` wanders off to get grandpa's medication
[22:06] * \o` hand grandpa his bacon and eggs
[22:06] <grandpa> yaya
[22:08] <izzyi2d2> having problem with my lcd scrambling on my pi cant figure out whats going on
[22:08] <izzyi2d2> and.... lol
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[22:22] <vrmxm> Has anyone here compiled mpv on Gentoo on the Pi? I can't quite tell why mine isn't working, and I assume I switched something wrong.
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[22:27] <grandpa> gentoo doesnt sound like a good choice for the pi
[22:27] <vrmxm> Why not?
[22:27] <grandpa> since you have to compile everything
[22:27] <vrmxm> I offload the compiling to my laptop
[22:27] <grandpa> o
[22:27] <vrmxm> Still a little slow, but tolerable in most respects
[22:28] <grandpa> wish i could help
[22:28] <grandpa> i have never been able to properly setup gentoo
[22:28] <grandpa> its a pita
[22:29] <grandpa> theres a release of slackware for it..i'd like to use that but i think it needs to mature a bit more
[22:29] <chithead> vrmxm: can you be more specific than "isn't working"?
[22:29] <grandpa> first
[22:29] <vrmxm> chithead -- Sure, gimme a sec
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[22:30] <vrmxm> "failed to open vchiq instance"
[22:30] <chithead> some of the rpi packages in gentoo are outdated, because my pi died last summer. but now I have a new one
[22:30] <vrmxm> Oh, is there a special repo just for Pi?
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[22:31] <vrmxm> This is the -v output, if it helps: https://ptpb.pw/nmkr
[22:32] <chithead> I think xmw did some work too but there are still some bugs in the raspberrypi-userland package which cause issues like the one you are seeing
[22:32] <vrmxm> Oh, hm
[22:32] <chithead> it has to do with gles libraries from mesa and raspberrypi-userland conflicting
[22:33] <chithead> some googling suggests that your user may not be in the video group
[22:35] <vrmxm> Now I feel dumb
[22:35] <vrmxm> I forgot about that
[22:35] <vrmxm> Not that I can play these videos properly anyway, it seems. Very choppy.
[22:35] <chithead> you need a videoplayer with openmax support
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[22:37] <vrmxm> Any top suggestions?
[22:37] <vrmxm> mpv has been my go-to since forever
[22:38] <chithead> raspberrypi-omxplayer should work, it is an mplayer fork I think
[22:38] <chithead> else there is vlc, but I didn't try it myself
[22:39] <vrmxm> I think I'll try vlc for now
[22:39] <vrmxm> If that doesn't work, then omxplayer
[22:39] <chithead> also higher quality h.264 stuff needs more memory reserved for the videocore
[22:39] <vrmxm> I don't plan on watching much on the Pi, but it'd be nice if I could play little clips or whatever
[22:40] <vrmxm> youtube-dl + something, for example
[22:42] <chithead> I think vlc can directly accept youtube urls for playback
[22:42] <vrmxm> Hey, hey... let's not get ahead of ourselves
[22:42] <vrmxm> I haven't even finished doing the dependency check
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[22:43] <chithead> need USE="omxil" enabled for openmax
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[22:44] <vrmxm> I was just going to ask if I ought to have "-ffmpeg omxil" on the system level
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[22:51] <stemid> I just hooked up the noir v2 but the images from raspistill are not infrared. they look quite normal. if I turn off the light they go black. am I missing something?
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[22:51] <vrmxm> Infrared camera for the Pi? Hmm, the possibilities
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[22:52] <kerio> stemid: well, it's not a thermal camera
[22:52] <oq> stemid: yes, wait for the sun to come out and everything will be purple
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[22:52] <kerio> you should be seeing stuff in the dark, however
[22:52] <ShorTie> can you see your tv remote ??
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[22:52] <H__> stemid: it's a regular camera with the IR filter removed, so it's a mix of normal camera plus some IR band light
[22:52] <kerio> at least, you should be seeing *more* in the dark than a normal camera
[22:52] <oq> kerio: it doesn't work like that
[22:52] <kerio> you're getting near-infrared
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[22:53] <oq> kerio: people use cameras without ir filters as night cameras because you can shine an ir light source (which we can't see or see very well) and it will light up the area
[22:53] <stemid> so far it works just like the ordinary picam I already have.
[22:53] <oq> its not better at seeing in the dark without that light source
[22:53] <vrmxm> So chithead since you're the local Gentoo-Pi person, any suggestions for Libreoffice replacement?
[22:53] <kerio> ;o
[22:53] <stemid> oic
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[22:54] <kerio> ye i just have a thermal camera :3
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[22:54] <kerio> it costs quite a bit tho
[22:54] <chithead> vrmxm: abiword
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[22:55] <vrmxm> More in terms of calc, but I'll keep abiword in mind
[22:55] <vrmxm> I tried sc but it's not too good (for me, anyway)
[22:55] <chithead> gnumeric? never used that though
[22:56] <H__> stemid: it does this better than the regular camera (with IR filter) https://twitter.com/d33psky/status/669220755603898368
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[22:57] <vrmxm> Maybe I'll do my office stuff on the laptop. I was hoping to do more on the Pi, but it seems to be more anemic than I had expected
[22:58] <stemid> H__: my goal was to use it for security but through the doors peep hole. that won't work since I need an ir light outside then.
[22:58] <stemid> but indoors will work if I get an IR light
[22:58] <vrmxm> Well, no, that's not fair. It seems some of my software is more bloated than I had expected.
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[23:00] <methuzla> stemid, in general, you will need to illuminate the scene. typically this is done with IR LEDs.
[23:02] <stemid> heh I feel pretty stupid for thinking it would "see" in the dark without light
[23:03] <stemid> but it doesn't matter, I can still use it or the old board on my peep hole. there's a motion sensor activated normal light outside the door.
[23:03] <stemid> I just wanted the noir in case it didn't turn on
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[23:04] <kerio> stemid: buy a flir lepton ;3
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[23:05] <CoJaBo> Decent flir sensors are unobtanium tho :/
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[23:06] <kerio> why
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[23:06] <CoJaBo> Dunno :/
[23:06] <kerio> break open a flir one, you get a 160x120 sensor :3
[23:07] <CoJaBo> There's one that has 10×10 res for liek $900. then there's another thats almost VGA (for the FLIR sensor, not camera), but it's hardware-locked to work with only iphones
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[23:07] <CoJaBo> That one's $150
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[23:08] <methuzla> stemid, the cameras that 'see in the dark' are detecting black body radiation
[23:09] <methuzla> stemid, wavelengths at reasonable temps are pretty far into the IR spectrum
[23:10] <methuzla> stemid, sensors that can see there are generally $$
[23:10] <CoJaBo> Yeh, if you just need to see in the dark, get the noir and some ir LEDs
[23:11] <CoJaBo> I want a FLIR/LWIR sensor to see thermal.. stuff tho. But I can't get ahold of one :/
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[23:13] <methuzla> CoJaBo, as has been mentioned: Lepton
[23:13] <CoJaBo> methuzla: Resolution sucks compared to others :/
[23:14] <oq> stemid: one interesting thing to do with the noir is when the sun comes out have a look and see which black clothes etc are secretly bright purple
[23:14] <methuzla> to other what?
[23:14] <CoJaBo> methuzla: The iphone ones
[23:14] <methuzla> iphone LWIR cameras?
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[23:15] <CoJaBo> Yep
[23:15] <CoJaBo> The company won't sell just the sensor tho
[23:15] <methuzla> link?
[23:16] <oq> CoJaBo: probably because the us gov is funny about it, they still class it as military gear or somesuch
[23:16] <oq> restricting exports and the like
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[23:20] <stemid> oq: thanks. and that stargazing thing wasn't too bad either
[23:20] <stemid> might have some fun with it
[23:21] <oq> stemid: also you can take some pretty cool photos of plants with the blue filter that comes with it
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[23:28] <stemid> you mean the little blue plastic? I read that there was supposed to be a blue gel thing packaged with the noir but I didn't get it.
[23:28] <stemid> only some protective plastic over the lens
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[23:29] <oq> there's a little blue square
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[23:29] <stemid> nope didn't get it in my box.
[23:29] <oq> https://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/bluething.jpeg
[23:29] <oq> you sure? It might be easy to miss in the antistatic bag
[23:29] <stemid> oh yeah, I see it. assumed it was something different. it's bigger than I thought.
[23:30] <stemid> it's the same size as the board
[23:30] <oq> yeah
[23:30] <giddles> nice that nothing is explained @ pinoir cam
[23:30] <giddles> :D
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[23:34] <Valduare> i dont understand whats neat about noir cams
[23:35] <stemid> that's pretty neat, so bright areas would indicate a lot of photosynthesis which is good of course.
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[23:35] <stemid> that's amazing luck since I actually do grow my own veggies and herbs.
[23:35] <stemid> so from security camera to grow camera
[23:36] <oq> Valduare: they have a fairly niche appeal
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[23:48] <Bashyy> just wanted to confirm something between the Raspbian Nomral and Lite image. So we can now simply put our wpa_supplican.conf in the boot dir when we create image and it will connect in the configured wifi network. I'm having no issues with this working on the Normal Image however it will not work on the Lite image
[23:48] <Bashyy> is the Lite Image missing this addition ?
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[23:49] <oq> wpa_supplicant.conf
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[23:50] <kerio> CoJaBo: the iphone camera costs like 250 monies
[23:50] <kerio> it's not *that* much
[23:50] <kerio> pair it with a breakout board that costs like 30 monies
[23:51] <oq> monies = usd?
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[23:51] <CoJaBo> kerio: ?
[23:51] <IT_Sean> Ameerikan dhollars best dhollers!
[23:51] <kerio> thermal camera for cheap-ish
[23:51] <vrmxm> $270 is not cheap
[23:52] <IT_Sean> It is compared to a house.
[23:52] <IT_Sean> Everything is relative.
[23:52] <vrmxm> Hmm, I'm not sure I buy that
[23:52] <vrmxm> $270 is less than the cost of a house, sure, but... in terms of cheap you can't really compare cameras and houses
[23:53] <IT_Sean> You can easily spend well over $270 on a camera.
[23:54] <IT_Sean> You can also spend less on a camera. I wouldn't though, as the camera will probably be complete rubbish.
[23:54] <kerio> well the camera is still rubbish tho, 160x120
[23:58] <SpeedEvil> The imaging arrays are most of the cost

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