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IRC Log for 2016-08-15

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[0:00] <\o`> :D
[0:00] <\o`> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR5ApYxkU-U
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[0:01] <\o`> pump up the volume!
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[0:01] <grandpa> i love the wall
[0:02] <\o`> get on with your work!
[0:02] <grandpa> hehe reference to money
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[0:04] <\o`> it's a powerful song
[0:04] <grandpa> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzKr6AfUXXs
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[0:04] <grandpa> yeah
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[0:05] <Redman276> mmm cake :)
[0:05] <grandpa> mmm
[0:05] <\o`> hmmm, I haven't heard this song
[0:05] <Redman276> esp when its a cover
[0:05] <grandpa> :>
[0:06] <\o`> the world is in a bad state :(
[0:06] <grandpa> yar
[0:06] <\o`> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbTozgoj9OQ
[0:06] <Redman276> not a new subject \o'
[0:06] <grandpa> thought i would throw in a curveball ;p
[0:07] <grandpa> that last one is blocked here
[0:07] <grandpa> i think i've heard the track though
[0:07] <\o`> it's "Nothing Else Matters - Apocalyptica "
[0:07] <Redman276> friggen RIAA and the copyright stuff
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[0:08] <Redman276> yep its blocked in the good old US
[0:08] <\o`> that is not good!
[0:08] <Redman276> welcome to america , please give up all your audio and visual rights
[0:09] <\o`> does this work? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T-WdrNo3kY
[0:09] <grandpa> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MS91knuzoOA
[0:09] <grandpa> yea
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[0:10] <Redman276> havent heard that one in a minuit
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[0:11] <\o`> Apocalyptica normally do metal covers of songs. They did it backwards this time :)
[0:11] <Redman276> ok so the thought of the moment , for a Pi3 , with out lead tracing and severing the power to the onboard wifi , how does one go about to shut the wifi off and run a certified AC usb dongle
[0:12] <Redman276> uggh , brb
[0:12] <grandpa> remove the driver maybe
[0:12] <grandpa> and blacklist it
[0:13] <Redman276> hmm , openelec is cmd line limited , but i might have to try that on a custom upload
[0:13] <\o`> pearl jam!
[0:13] <grandpa> surely it has rmmod
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[0:14] <\o`> gosh, I haven't heard this in *years*
[0:14] <grandpa> :>
[0:14] * \o` remembers a girl
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[0:15] <grandpa> ;o
[0:15] <\o`> this song is that old? man, i'm over the hill
[0:16] <grandpa> yea its a classic
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[0:19] <\o`> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WANNqr-vcx0
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[0:21] <grandpa> bbiaf headed to KFC
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[0:22] <\o`> ok grandpa, just me wary of the dormouse
[0:22] <\o`> s/me/the
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[0:23] <\o`> the live woodstock version is probably better
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[0:25] <dan2wik> My Pi keeps resetting when people take photos of it
[0:25] <dan2wik> I have no idea why is it doing this.
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[0:26] <ahihi> https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/xenon-death-flash-a-free-physics-lesson/
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[0:30] <[Saint]> dan2wik: time to break out the nail polish
[0:31] <dan2wik> Oh, easy fix then
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[0:33] <methuzla> keen. that one hasn't come up in a while.
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[0:41] <Voop> dan2wik, was that a joke or srs
[0:41] <dan2wik> serious.
[0:42] <dan2wik> I have it in a display in the local library with a few retro games on it.
[0:42] <Voop> someone was talking about that issue earlier
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[0:43] <Voop> i need to try it on my pi2
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[0:49] <Voop> pi2. 1/10 light can break it
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[0:57] <izzyi2d2_> anyone familiar with lcd's for RPi using python?
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[0:58] <methuzla> izzyi2d2_, remove relay connections from pi and try running code
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[0:58] <izzyi2d2_> ok
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[0:59] <izzyi2d2_> same
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[0:59] <methuzla> do you have a photo of your setup?
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[1:01] <izzyi2d2_> no
[1:01] <[Saint]> If it's a Xenon-Flash-of-Death vulnerable Pi I'm going to laugh my ass off about how meta this conversation got in the last ~20 minutes
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[1:01] <methuzla> can you take one and post it?
[1:02] <izzyi2d2_> tried it again and disconnected all the relay wires and it works...
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[1:03] <methuzla> i meant all
[1:03] <izzyi2d2_> it has gone trhough 2 cycles and not scrambled
[1:03] <izzyi2d2_> so if it is a problem with the relays im not even sure how to go about fixing that...
[1:04] <izzyi2d2_> looks like its going fine....
[1:04] <methuzla> post a photo, post a wiring diagram, otherwise lots of speculative guess work
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[1:07] <methuzla> oh, and you can remove those prints from showMessage()
[1:07] <izzyi2d2_> ok
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[1:08] <izzyi2d2_> ill be back after i get all the info
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[1:09] <curlyears> am I there yet???
[1:09] <Berg> no
[1:09] <Berg> im not either
[1:09] <curlyears> darn!!!!
[1:09] <ozzzy> I left
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[1:10] <Berg> hi if im here i will say hello if not ignore this
[1:10] <curlyears> ozzzy!!!
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[1:10] <izzyi2d2_> be back in alittle bit... thansk methuzla
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[1:10] <Berg> i got 100 dollar jaycar gift card yesterday
[1:10] <curlyears> hey, how fast can a Pi3 toggle a GPIO pin?
[1:10] <methuzla> with or without os?
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[1:11] * Berg wonders what to buy
[1:11] <curlyears> barebones
[1:12] <ozzzy> howdy
[1:12] <curlyears> I would guess at least several hundred MHz.
[1:12] <SpeedEvil> curlyears: At least several megahertz
[1:12] <methuzla> o(fcpu)
[1:12] <SpeedEvil> GPIO pins don't always go at the core rate.
[1:12] <curlyears> the ARM inside the Pi3 is 1.4 GHz. Should be able to get at least 200 Mhz off a GPIO
[1:13] <curlyears> I am aware of the various configurations, I just wondered if anyone has done it. If I really wanted to know, I'd dig into the docs and compute it for myself, I suppose...
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[1:15] <SpeedEvil> The available docs on the chip don't cover details of the pin drivers and busses
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[1:15] <curlyears> ahhhh...
[1:16] <curlyears> well, I lack the test equipment to try it, so...
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[1:16] <methuzla> http://blog.mark-stevens.co.uk/2014/06/bare-metal-gpio-raspberry-pi/
[1:16] <ozzzy> my scope only goes to 20MHz so I can't help you
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[1:17] <methuzla> looks like only ~8.3MHz for a pi1
[1:19] <\o`> I shall sing this one for curlyears: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Wx0yhTDJJ8&list=RD_Wx0yhTDJJ8
[1:20] <\o`> hmm, I can get 100MHz over SPI on the pi3
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[1:22] <\o`> 50 is more reliable though
[1:22] <curlyears> \o`: no sound on this system :(
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[1:23] <\o`> curlyears, http://www.metrolyrics.com/the-loved-one-lyrics-inxs.html?ModPagespeed=noscript
[1:23] <Voop> someone should make a 'useless box' pi where when you power it on it turns a laser pointer on pointed at the cpu
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[1:24] <Berg> you could make a useless box with a box filled with blue smke
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[1:24] <Berg> smoke
[1:25] <curlyears> \o`: I suppose it's orders of magnitude beteert than IO could do, but it doesn't do much for me
[1:26] <curlyears> naw, but one that would automatically point at Voop would be kinda kewl
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[1:27] <[Saint]> Voop: assuming you mean regarding 'flash of death", pointing it at the SoC wouldn't do a hell of a lot I don't think.
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[1:28] <[Saint]> From memory it was the use of an uncapped SMPS IC.
[1:28] <[Saint]> I think it's U15 or U16 on the schematic.
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[1:33] <zumba_a__> just wondering why the person in defcon had to use jtag to be able to show the contents of /etc/shadow if he can execute sudo cat /etc/shadow. Not sure why he didn't use sudo
[1:35] <methuzla> what was the machine and os?
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[1:35] <zumba_a__> linux
[1:35] <zumba_a__> and rpi2
[1:36] <zumba_a__> maybe when I arrived at the place, he told the audience "i don't have root password on this rpi2" which I might have missed
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[1:36] <methuzla> or maybe it was setup a little different than default raspbian.
[1:37] <methuzla> root enabled with a password. and normal users not given much in the way of sudo powers.
[1:37] <zumba_a__> k
[1:37] <[Saint]> I would posit that you did indeed miss the fact that it revolves around rights escalation.
[1:37] <[Saint]> Otherwise there is nothing interesting about such a display at all.
[1:37] <zumba_a__> k
[1:37] <methuzla> indeed. as you said. sudo.
[1:37] <tripout> hey, i want to use my pi to forward neighbours wifi via lan, but can't establish direct lan connection between laptop and pi
[1:38] <tripout> don't have a crossover cable btw
[1:38] <[Saint]> Do you have _permission_?
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[1:38] <zumba_a__> i actually have the video of his hacking demonstration
[1:38] <[Saint]> If not, this isn't ##helphackingyourneighborswireless
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[1:39] <zumba_a__> :D
[1:39] <tripout> sure, i have permission
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[1:39] <Chunkyz> Hi
[1:39] <zumba_a__> tripout: learn ip masquerading
[1:39] <tripout> thanks for the hint
[1:40] <zumba_a__> that's all i'll say and won't say anything anymore
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[1:45] <\o`> pfft. using next door's wireless is so yesterday. I tap straight into the fibre at the exchange
[1:46] <\o`> I have a 14km long cat cable
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[1:46] <zumba_a__> epic! :D
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[1:47] <zumba_a__> is there an interesting project where pi can be used for reverse engineering?
[1:48] <[Saint]> that really depends on one's definition of interesting, surely?
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[1:48] <zumba_a__> i just reread my post and it's too broad
[1:48] <\o`> any interesting reverse engineering is surely 99% manual
[1:48] <zumba_a__> quite agree
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[1:49] <[Saint]> I can't offhand think of anything where the pi would be required specifically and there isn't a clearly better candidate, either.
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[1:49] <[Saint]> unless you're looking at RE of the VideoCore GPU directly.
[1:49] <methuzla> ^^ beat me to it
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[1:50] <zumba_a__> no, i was looking similar to this but looks like pi is the target, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVfCbXbZOhE
[1:50] <zumba_a__> i need to learn assembly and gdb
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[1:52] <rain1> zumba_a__, i don't really get where they paused at
[1:52] <rain1> something returned -13
[1:53] <rain1> but they changed it to 0..
[1:53] <rain1> but what?
[1:53] <\o`> rain1, they probably don't "get it" either
[1:53] <rain1> ?
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[1:53] <zumba_a__> rain1: paused on where?
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[1:54] <\o`> rain1, they probably just added a breakpoint at some random locate
[1:54] <zumba_a__> you mean the hardware break point?
[1:54] <\o`> location*
[1:54] <\o`> and then said "yeah we got -13"
[1:54] <\o`> "but we have no idea what -13 is"
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[1:54] <zumba_a__> yes they did right before executing cat /etc/shadow but it was before push if I remember correctly
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[1:54] <zumba_a__> where is -13?
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[1:55] <\o`> it's not anywhere
[1:55] <rain1> maybe it's inside the kernel, where the kernel checks if you ahev access to read the file or not
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[1:55] <zumba_a__> he was point at pop and also push, iirc, then he said, we're going to put a breakpoint before push
[1:55] <zumba_a__> point/pointing
[1:56] <rain1> to answer yourquestion
[1:56] <zumba_a__> unfortunately, i'm very newbie in gdb :(
[1:56] <rain1> Yes I think he can just go: sudo cat /etc/shadow
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[1:56] <rain1> but he's showing a wya to read the file even if you didn't know root password
[1:56] <zumba_a__> yup, that's what I thought too
[1:56] <zumba_a__> and to buy their product
[1:56] <zumba_a__> which is about $75
[1:57] <zumba_a__> i already found a clone in aliexpress. i was told in defcon channel few days ago
[1:57] <rain1> do you know if/when defcon videos will be on youtbue? i guess i'll just wait
[1:58] <methuzla> the -13 is the permissions denied error code being return in r0, they set it to 0 before continuing, which makes the system think permission is granted
[1:58] <Stary2001> a while :P
[1:58] <zumba_a__> rain1, they said it will be after 2 weeks
[1:59] <zumba_a__> ah, thanks methuzla
[1:59] <zumba_a__> that is cool
[1:59] <zumba_a__> so that's what jtag can do. Interesting
[2:00] <Stary2001> jtag is *complete* control
[2:00] <methuzla> the r0-r12,sp,lr,spsr are the arm status registers
[2:00] <zumba_a__> wow, nice
[2:00] <Stary2001> you can get a jtag-capable adapter surprisingly cheap
[2:00] <zumba_a__> Stary2001: i have it in my cart. Not sure if it's a good one. Very cheap
[2:00] <Stary2001> ft...something?
[2:00] <Stary2001> hold on
[2:00] <zumba_a__> is this jtag? http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-IXTK180N10-10pcs-lot-in-stock/1985471030.html?spm=2114.13010208.99999999.267.i4t6CW
[2:01] <zumba_a__> that's what was given to me few days ago
[2:01] * Stary2001 shrugs
[2:01] <zumba_a__> k
[2:01] <Stary2001> i have a ft2232h mini module thing
[2:01] <Stary2001> and a shitload of female to female headers
[2:01] <\o`> kinky
[2:01] <zumba_a__> i'll search for it
[2:02] <Stary2001> openocd can drive it
[2:02] <zumba_a__> what is ft2232h for?
[2:02] <Stary2001> gotta get myself another pi 2 ;)
[2:02] <Stary2001> zumba_a__: it's a usb <-> serial/Other Stuff chip
[2:02] <zumba_a__> :)
[2:02] <Stary2001> "Building on the innovative features of the FT2232, the FT2232H has two multi-protocol synchronous serial engines (MPSSEs) which allow for communication using JTAG, I2C and SPI on two channels simultaneously."
[2:02] <Stary2001> - ftdi sit
[2:03] <Stary2001> e
[2:03] <zumba_a__> so like we have a serial modem and we can hook it to our laptop with no serial port?
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[2:03] <Stary2001> uarts, too
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[2:03] <zumba_a__> or is it for debugging purposes?
[2:03] <Stary2001> well i mean it has a couple uarts
[2:03] <Stary2001> so you can use it for serial
[2:03] <zumba_a__> k
[2:03] <Stary2001> but you can get usb <-> serial adapters cheap af
[2:03] <zumba_a__> then I can use a terminal software to talk to it
[2:04] <Stary2001> i got this because it can do jtag
[2:04] <zumba_a__> ah
[2:04] <zumba_a__> i'm still very new with jtag that's why i'm still so confused
[2:04] <Stary2001> £24.73 apparently
[2:04] <zumba_a__> right now, i'm thking that jtag is piece of cable
[2:04] <Stary2001> jtag = connections
[2:04] <Stary2001> you need something on the other end
[2:04] <zumba_a__> oh
[2:04] <Stary2001> that can speak jtag
[2:05] <zumba_a__> let's go back to your ft
[2:05] <zumba_a__> i want to buy one
[2:05] <Stary2001> apparently that Blaster cable can do jtag
[2:05] <Stary2001> or rather
[2:05] <zumba_a__> the one i posted?
[2:05] <Stary2001> i see references to jtag
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[2:05] <zumba_a__> that's what they told me
[2:05] <Stary2001> https://github.com/hikob/openocd/blob/master/tcl/interface/altera-usb-blaster.cfg hey hey
[2:06] <zumba_a__> nice, i can use opencd then
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[2:06] <zumba_a__> ah, reminds me, they told me to study stigrok something
[2:06] <Stary2001> openocd is rather nice
[2:06] <Stary2001> https://sigrok.org/
[2:06] <Stary2001> ?
[2:06] <zumba_a__> yeah, that one, lol
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[2:07] <zumba_a__> ok, then I'll stick with the blaster i posted. I'm going to order it later
[2:07] <zumba_a__> then i'll start reading openocd and sigrok
[2:07] <Stary2001> buy it, see if it works, if not you're only out a few bucks
[2:07] <zumba_a__> yup, so cheap
[2:08] <zumba_a__> then i'll buy the same thing you bought
[2:08] <Stary2001> i bought mine because ooh shiny and i knew it worked :D
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[2:08] <zumba_a__> nice
[2:08] <zumba_a__> can you post me the exact links and parts please
[2:08] <Stary2001> well i'm in the uk, so..
[2:08] <Stary2001> that may be A Problem (tm)
[2:08] <zumba_a__> just the brand models
[2:08] <Stary2001> ftdi ft2232h 'mini module'
[2:08] <zumba_a__> then i'll look for it in aliexpress
[2:09] <zumba_a__> k
[2:09] <Stary2001> don't buy a reel of chips :P
[2:09] <zumba_a__> k, i won't
[2:09] <Stary2001> and as that has male headers you'll want some female<->female headers to connect to a pi or so
[2:09] <Stary2001> but buy some other ones too, because useful
[2:09] <zumba_a__> cool
[2:10] <zumba_a__> just found that chip in aliexpress. Looks like I'll have to solder it
[2:10] <Stary2001> nono
[2:10] <zumba_a__> oh
[2:10] <Stary2001> no soldering required :P
[2:10] <zumba_a__> oh found it
[2:10] <zumba_a__> it's expensive
[2:10] <zumba_a__> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-2Pcs-FT2232H-MINI-MODULE-factory-development-board-core-plate-large-spot/32476812459.html?spm=2114.30010308.8.4.YeVlOC
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[2:10] <Stary2001> that's for 2
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[2:11] <zumba_a__> oh, good catch
[2:11] <Stary2001> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/FT2232H-MINI-MODULE-factory-development-board-core-plate-large-spot/32473478907.html
[2:11] <zumba_a__> cool. So that price is right?
[2:11] <Stary2001> looks about right
[2:11] <Stary2001> zumba_a__: try the blaster first man
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[2:12] <zumba_a__> cool, i'll bookmark it. It's for my notes
[2:12] <Stary2001> ah heh
[2:12] <zumba_a__> thanks man :)
[2:12] <zumba_a__> so where have you used it?
[2:12] <Stary2001> in my house, on my desk. :D
[2:12] <Stary2001> rpi1 jtag
[2:12] <Stary2001> not much else
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[2:12] <zumba_a__> ok
[2:13] <Stary2001> serial, too
[2:13] <zumba_a__> i mean, why do you jtag it? That's where i'm confused. The only thing I know right now is that people use jtag to access the inaccessible parts
[2:13] <\o`> brrr cold november rain
[2:13] <Stary2001> oh, i was using jtag because i was doing some baremetal stuff
[2:13] <Stary2001> osdev
[2:14] <zumba_a__> never heard of baremetal :D hehehe
[2:14] <zumba_a__> what is it
[2:14] <Stary2001> baremetal -> no os
[2:14] <zumba_a__> k
[2:14] <CompanionCube> zumba_a__: basically
[2:14] <zumba_a__> with no os, how can you use it?
[2:14] <Stary2001> a wild CompanionCube appeared
[2:14] <CompanionCube> zumba_a__: you write your own
[2:15] <zumba_a__> oh wow
[2:15] <zumba_a__> pretty neat
[2:15] <zumba_a__> i'd like to learn that then
[2:15] <Stary2001> rpi serial isnt too bad to program a driver for :p
[2:15] <Stary2001> well, what background in programming do you already have
[2:15] <zumba_a__> i do c, pascal, javascript, python, perl, bash/shell
[2:15] <Stary2001> c, good
[2:16] <CompanionCube> You'll need to learn ARM assembly too
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[2:16] <Stary2001> well for baremetal you'll have to learn some arm assembl
[2:16] <Stary2001> damnit
[2:16] <Stary2001> i can only type so fasr CompanionCube
[2:16] <Stary2001> fast
[2:16] <zumba_a__> yeah, that's what I'm studying right now. I'm reading step by step assembly
[2:16] <Stary2001> i recommend hoarding manuals
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[2:16] <zumba_a__> how?
[2:16] <CompanionCube> zumba_a__: for ARM?
[2:16] <Stary2001> the ARMv7 ARM, and the BCM manuals are nice
[2:16] <zumba_a__> CompanionCube: i mean, i want to learn basic assembly first. Not sure where to start
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[2:17] <CompanionCube> ah
[2:17] <Voop> on a 1 to 10 scale how hard is it to learn assembly
[2:17] <zumba_a__> if I start with ARM, i might get lost
[2:17] <Stary2001> start on linux imo
[2:17] <Stary2001> like you can do asm in linux
[2:17] <CompanionCube> ^
[2:17] <zumba_a__> ok
[2:17] <zumba_a__> i have good background in linux
[2:17] <Stary2001> Voop: processor instructions/10
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[2:17] <CompanionCube> an example piece of x86/intel assembly: 'mov eax, eax'
[2:17] <zumba_a__> gheez, i wasted 20 yrs not learnign assembly
[2:18] <zumba_a__> mov ah, 5 int 13h
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[2:18] <zumba_a__> that's to clear disk sector :D
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[2:18] <Stary2001> x86 asm there heh
[2:18] <zumba_a__> i learned it 1992 when i was doing inline pascal assembly
[2:18] <Stary2001> ^^
[2:18] <zumba_a__> but i've forgottten it
[2:18] <zumba_a__> our f*cking professor only taught us how to display alphabet
[2:18] <\o`> xor eax, eax
[2:18] <Stary2001> i recommend https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/bcm2835/README.md (peripheral specification)
[2:19] <\o`> tricky stuff
[2:19] <zumba_a__> looking at the link now
[2:19] <zumba_a__> looks like a neat line \o`
[2:19] <Stary2001> has details of all the mmio registers, how you interact with some of the more rpi specific stuff
[2:19] <Stary2001> etc
[2:19] <CompanionCube> ARM assembly/instructions are less..complex than Intel
[2:19] <Stary2001> go find the armv7 ARM (i can't link you to it directly as you gotta go through a login)
[2:19] <zumba_a__> do I read that first or continue reading step by step assembly
[2:19] <Stary2001> or you just google it and find a copy on a uni website lmao
[2:20] <zumba_a__> k
[2:20] <Stary2001> zumba_a__: thats a reference
[2:20] <zumba_a__> ok
[2:20] <Stary2001> look at it when you want to see something about the hardware
[2:20] <Stary2001> dont "read" it
[2:20] <zumba_a__> got it
[2:20] <zumba_a__> that's very useful :)
[2:20] <CompanionCube> gjd
[2:20] <zumba_a__> scrolling above
[2:20] <Stary2001> the ARM ARM has lots of detail about all the instructions/etc, but also things like how paging works, how to setup interrupts etc
[2:21] <Stary2001> but a good dose of google is also good for that
[2:21] <zumba_a__> so I'll search for ARM assembly pdf?
[2:21] <CompanionCube> this may also be of use: http://wiki.osdev.org/ARM_Overview
[2:21] <Stary2001> which pi do you have?
[2:21] <Stary2001> pi 1 = armv6, pi 2 = armv7
[2:21] <Stary2001> 3 = armv8
[2:21] <zumba_a__> don't have one yet but was planning to buy pi2
[2:21] <Stary2001> ah
[2:21] <zumba_a__> or should I buy pi3?
[2:21] <zumba_a__> currently have a sleeping bbb
[2:22] <zumba_a__> but that's a different device
[2:22] <\o`> i love my pi4
[2:22] <Stary2001> bbb is still arm :)
[2:22] <CompanionCube> zumba_a__: pi3 has inbuilt wifi if you ever want to use a regular OS
[2:22] <\o`> err pi3
[2:22] <Stary2001> \o`: lmao
[2:22] <zumba_a__> got it
[2:22] <Stary2001> did they go to armv9?
[2:22] <Stary2001> tell us, time traveller
[2:22] <\o`> Stary2001, :D
[2:22] <Stary2001> zumba_a__: fwiw 7 and 8 are different
[2:22] <Stary2001> 7 = 32, 8 = 64 bit
[2:22] <Stary2001> but its all backwards compatibile
[2:22] <zumba_a__> then I'll go with 8 then
[2:22] <Stary2001> ie. armv7 runs on armv8
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[2:23] <zumba_a__> so armv7 is the os?
[2:23] <Stary2001> no it's the version of the arm instruction set it has
[2:23] <zumba_a__> got it
[2:23] <\o`> Stary2001, the pi4 is 256-bit
[2:23] <Stary2001> \o`: shit man, how much ram
[2:23] <CompanionCube> \o`: is it also quantum
[2:23] <zumba_a__> i found a link but not sure if this is the one you want me to download - http://arantxa.ii.uam.es/~gdrivera/sed/docs/ARMBook.pdf I downloaded it
[2:23] <\o`> Stary2001, 2^256
[2:23] <Stary2001> loaded far too quickly ;)
[2:24] <zumba_a__> is pi4 real \o`?
[2:24] <CompanionCube> lolno
[2:24] <Stary2001> zumba_a__: http://www.pjrc.com/teensy/beta/DDI0403D_arm_architecture_v7m_reference_manual.pdf
[2:24] <\o`> zumba_a__, lol, no
[2:24] <zumba_a__> k
[2:24] <zumba_a__> hahaha
[2:24] <Stary2001> now of course
[2:24] <Stary2001> No part of this ARM Architecture. Reference Manual may be reproduced in any form by any means without the express prior written permission of ARM.
[2:24] <Stary2001> ;)
[2:24] <Stary2001> first hit on google for "armv7 arm"
[2:24] <zumba_a__> thanks for the link :) so What was that link i posted?
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[2:25] <Stary2001> a nice guide
[2:25] <Stary2001> lol
[2:25] <zumba_a__> lol
[2:25] <Stary2001> zumba_a__: that's great for reading through
[2:25] <zumba_a__> will do
[2:25] <CompanionCube> here's a tutorial for after learning ARM assembly: http://wiki.osdev.org/ARM_RaspberryPi_Tutorial_C
[2:25] <Stary2001> the ARM ARM(s) are reference
[2:25] <Stary2001> don't read them
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[2:25] <zumba_a__> will do
[2:25] <Stary2001> look up stuff
[2:25] <Stary2001> :P
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[2:26] <zumba_a__> so here are my plans 1) Continue reading Step By Step Assembly 2) Use linux to start assembly coding and gdb debugging 3) Buy pi3 4) look at reference manuals 5) ask in #raspberrypi
[2:26] <Stary2001> haha
[2:27] <zumba_a__> looks good? :D
[2:27] <Stary2001> more or less
[2:27] <zumba_a__> cool
[2:27] <Stary2001> zumba_a__: there's the osdev wiki as linked if you want to look around
[2:27] <Stary2001> although that is more x86 focused
[2:27] <zumba_a__> sure, where is it?
[2:27] <Stary2001> http://wiki.osdev.org/
[2:27] <zumba_a__> thanks
[2:28] <Stary2001> there's also #osdev on this network if you have any more osdev-y questions
[2:28] <zumba_a__> oh, i just saw your post CompanionCube, sorry. Thanks a lot
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[2:30] <zumba_a__> here is another nice video I took while those guys are trying to re the defcon badge - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=if4L6LmfXE4
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[2:32] <grandpa> https://www.42.us.org/
[2:32] <[Saint]> Isn't personal video capture generally and widely regarded as "a dick move" during DefCon?
[2:32] <zumba_a__> i asked them first before I started
[2:33] <zumba_a__> if you start taking videos, they don't like it
[2:33] <grandpa> paranoid nerds
[2:33] <grandpa> ;p
[2:33] <zumba_a__> :p
[2:34] <JK-47> zumba_a__: get out to bsideslv?
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[2:34] <[Saint]> I'm sure you just love being photographed without your implicit consent. Especially when your mere presence at an event such as this can quite literally make your life a living hell eh grandpa? ;)
[2:34] <zumba_a__> it was my first time at defcon. I was told about bsides too. I havent' tried it. I was told it's before defcon
[2:35] <JK-47> yeah i was speaking there
[2:35] <ozzzy> defcon?
[2:35] <zumba_a__> oh wow
[2:35] <zumba_a__> i will definitely attend next year :) I should be there earlier
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[2:35] <JK-47> i saw the defcon lines were so bad i didnt even try to get a badge. i just hung out in the bar at paris and met people :D #lobbycon
[2:35] <zumba_a__> i'll search for more info
[2:35] <zumba_a__> omg, the line was so bad
[2:36] <zumba_a__> they even ran out of badge at 22k
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[2:36] <zumba_a__> so maybe count was around 25k
[2:36] <grandpa> [Saint]: i wouldnt say i love it but im not gonna crap my pants about it
[2:36] <[Saint]> For many locales if $INSERT_OPPRESIVE_REGIME_HERE are aware for what purpose you are travelling, or know you will attend, have attended, or plan to attend DefCon - it can make airports "fun" for the foreseeable future.
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[2:36] <JK-47> im on the fence about gooning next year. but thats too much work when i also volunteer at bsides.
[2:37] <zumba_a__> i was thinking of joining goons after reading their faq right before i went there. When i saw what they were doing there, I told myself, nope,i'm not going to be a goon anymore
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[2:37] <[Saint]> Many people prefer to have their attendance known by as little people as possible, and honestly I don't blame them.
[2:37] <[Saint]> I certainly wouldn't like to get the full "extended search" experience every time I travelled internationally.
[2:38] <grandpa> \luckily i dont travel internationally
[2:38] <ozzzy> I don't fly anywhere
[2:38] <[Saint]> I try not to, but living on a remote island kinda limits that somewhat. ;)
[2:38] <[Saint]> I can either fly, and be there in a few hours, or take a boat, and be there in a week.
[2:39] <ozzzy> I drive everywhere
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[2:39] <[Saint]> Might prove a problem if you want to exit the continental US or SA? ;)
[2:40] <[Saint]> Unless you've got one of those sweet, sweet James Bond-esque submarine Lotus'.
[2:40] <ozzzy> I'm in Canada... why would I want to go anywhere else
[2:40] <[Saint]> Isn't that rhetorical? :)
[2:40] <JK-47> zumba_a__: usually you dont goon if you havent been going a while or dont know the people
[2:41] <zumba_a__> got it
[2:41] <JK-47> its like teaching to drive when you are a kid otherwise
[2:41] <grandpa> and maybe they shouldn't be a part of something if it is going to make their life miserable
[2:41] <zumba_a__> ok. I'll definitely go again next year
[2:41] <zumba_a__> I like skytalks
[2:42] <JK-47> if you do, get a room where bsides is (comes with 2 passes), and go to those talks. smaller, more personal talks
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[2:42] <zumba_a__> will do. Great tip :)
[2:42] <zumba_a__> oh, i have a time share in wyndham
[2:42] <JK-47> plus they run a bus from the tuscany to ballys 24x7
[2:42] <zumba_a__> k
[2:43] <zumba_a__> alright folks, i need to start reading :D
[2:43] <zumba_a__> i want to learn assembly language
[2:45] <[Saint]> step 1: throw out almost every single concept of a higher level language you may or may not already know
[2:45] <zumba_a__> will do sir
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[2:45] <ozzzy> and if you don't know what to do just stick in a bunch of NOPs
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[2:45] <zumba_a__> i hope the few things I did 25 years ago will help
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[2:51] <Voop> i dont want to learn assembly
[2:51] <Voop> and thats ok
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[4:05] <gomie> hi. where can i find help wiring up my Pi w touchscreen in san francisco bay area?
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[4:09] <nasuga> gomie: Perhaps you can reach google with your internet connection? :P Does this help? http://diyhacking.com/raspberry-pi-touchscreen-lcd-tutorial/
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[4:10] <circ-user-K16kQ> hi
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[4:11] <circ-user-K16kQ> does anyone know how to compile a program for the arch linux arm?
[4:11] <gomie> nasuga: im so burnt out on reading docs. its the 7" touchscreen.
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[4:14] <nasuga> gomie, 7" from what company?
[4:15] <gomie> nasuga, pi - the official one
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[4:18] <nasuga> gomie: Google is your friend, I found this gem on the first page https://www.jeremymorgan.com/tutorials/raspberry-pi/how-to-raspberry-pi-7-touchscreen/
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[4:30] <gomie> :/
[4:30] <gomie> im going to give up on large projects
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[4:35] <[Saint]> gomie: such as?
[4:35] <[Saint]> ALso - why?
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[4:39] <gomie> i used to know someone named TheSaint
[4:40] <gomie> but hes prolly even older than me now
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[4:41] <ozzzy> gomie, was his name Simon Templar?
[4:42] <gomie> hmmm
[4:42] <gomie> maybe :)
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[4:44] <gomie> this was a long time ago even pre irc
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[4:46] <gomie> oh tv show :)
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[6:50] <sir_galahad_ad> o/
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[8:31] <Basilic> hello all
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[9:32] <sulaiman> hello. what is a commonly used (or other suggestions for) protocol for IoT. I am thinking of using rabbitmq on my raspberrypi
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[9:40] <jacekowski> sulaiman: well, http with json seems to be what cool kids do those days
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[10:32] <Drzacek> Hi. Did anyone here put radiator on rpi3? Do I have to worry about stuff around chip (don't know what they are, capacitors, diodes?), so I don't make short-circuit or something?
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[10:34] <Drzacek> Does the radiator even make a difference?
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[10:35] <kerio> you should worry about poor thermal pads
[10:35] <kerio> other than that, eeeh
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[10:35] <kerio> some people say that the pi3 gets really hot
[10:35] <kerio> but i don't really see it
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[10:35] <kerio> it's meant to work without any cooling elements
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[10:37] <Drzacek> kerio, I have been using it for some time now, and it gets significantly hotter than mi pi0, that in my opinion got already too hot
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[10:37] <kerio> how's your opinion relevant to the operating temps of the chip
[10:37] <Drzacek> And I wasn't even doing anything cpu-intensive
[10:37] <Drzacek> my opinion is the most important factor to me
[10:37] <kerio> my opinion could be that every chip should be operating at 3K
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[10:38] <kerio> it doesn't make it reality
[10:39] <Drzacek> well, I think that some kind of cooling system wouldn't hurt, especially passive
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[10:42] <kerio> yea but
[10:42] <kerio> i mean
[10:42] <kerio> will it really help much, without any active elements?
[10:42] <kerio> you're going to heat up the heatsink
[10:42] <kerio> and then it'll stay hot
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[10:44] <Drzacek> heat sink can give away the heat more efficiently
[10:45] <Drzacek> and it takes some time to heat it up to critical temperature. usually you don't use always 100% of your cpu, only for short periods. Having a radiator won't let it burn instantly
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[10:46] <Drzacek> I doubt that rpi would burn itself, but surely wouldn't hurt to operate at slightly lower temperature
[10:46] <ali1234> http://i.imgur.com/OJsaW4E.png
[10:46] <Drzacek> I saw many cooling projects for rpi (even those crazy water cooling), I thought that maybe someone here has some experience
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[10:48] <Habbie> anybody awake with raspbian qemu experience? i don't seem to get anything beyond Uncompressing Linux... done, booting the kernel.
[10:48] <Habbie> besides qemu chewing my CPU
[10:48] <Habbie> qemu 2.6.0
[10:48] <Habbie> qemu-system-arm -kernel boot/kernel7.img -m 1024 -machine type=raspi2,usb=on -no-reboot -serial stdio -append "$(cat boot/cmdline.txt)" -drive file=2016-05-27-raspbian-jessie.img,if=sd,format=raw
[10:48] <brainzap> if you google there is an article that has some stats on heatsinks and pi
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[10:54] <Habbie> adding -dtb boot/bcm2709-rpi-2-b.dtb gives me working framebuffer
[10:54] <Habbie> one raspberry, 3 CPUs 'failed to come online'
[10:54] <mfa298> Drzacek: the pi won't hurt itself without a heatsink. when the Soc reaches 80C is starts to throttle the max speed to stay at 80C
[10:55] <mfa298> my experience was that a passive heatsink lets it run faster when it's at 80C.
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[10:57] <Drzacek> mfa298, thanks
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[10:58] <Drzacek> did you put one heat sink?
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[10:59] <Drzacek> or two?
[10:59] <NedScott> two? o.O
[11:00] <NedScott> the RAM doesn't need a heatsink
[11:01] <Habbie> the RAM is on the CPU anyway
[11:01] <Habbie> so your first heatsink covers that
[11:01] <Habbie> the lan controller is the other heatsink target if you care
[11:01] <Drzacek> I saw many people do that, one bigger on cpu and second smaller on other chip, I'm quessing ram
[11:01] <Habbie> the other chip is ethernet
[11:01] <Habbie> ram and cpu are a single stack of chips
[11:02] <Drzacek> yeah, it's ethernet/usb hub
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[11:02] <Habbie> indeed
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[11:05] <NedScott> wait, we're talking about a Pi 1 CPU?
[11:05] <NedScott> haha, those don't need heatsinks
[11:05] <mfa298> Drzacek: I've only put a heatsink on the CPU
[11:06] <Drzacek> NedScott, no, rpi3
[11:06] <NedScott> ah, then the RAM is not on the CPU for Pi 3
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[11:06] <mfa298> I was getting confused by the ram on CPU reference as that's only the Pi1 (and I assume Zero)
[11:07] <Habbie> oh, not on pi2 and up?
[11:07] <Drzacek> NedScott, it is
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[11:07] <NedScott> on Pi 2 and Pi 3 the RAM is on the underside
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[11:08] <Drzacek> NedScott, oh
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[11:08] <Drzacek> now I understand :)
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[11:09] <Drzacek> I hope RAM doesn't need any cooling, because putting anything on the under side would be problematic
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[11:12] <mfa298> the whole Pi should be ok without extra cooling.
[11:13] <WadeWatts> yep had my doubts as well
[11:14] <WadeWatts> but its fine without cooling
[11:14] <WadeWatts> check it for yourself '/opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp'
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[11:14] <WadeWatts> assuming you have not OC'ed
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[11:15] <WadeWatts> pi can take up to 70 degrees celcius. normal operational temp is around 50 c
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[11:17] <lee_Jenks> anybody have any cool recommended projects they would suggest if they had around 3-5 pis?
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[11:17] <Habbie> lee_Jenks, a buildfarm with enough redundancy!
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[11:18] <WadeWatts> hehe
[11:18] <lee_Jenks> -- let me google that :-P
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[11:19] <Habbie> upgraded qemu from 2.6.0 to master
[11:19] <Habbie> my framebuffer now doesn't show as much errors
[11:19] <Habbie> not much else either though
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[11:24] <lee_Jenks> oh, just a cluster ? Habbie
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[11:24] <Habbie> lee_Jenks, yeah
[11:24] <Habbie> lee_Jenks, for building software
[11:25] <mfa298> the probablem with that question is that cool can be very subjective. My ideas of cool projects could well be very different to what you think of as cool
[11:25] <lee_Jenks> I don't know the benefits for that ? I don't get why clusters are cool
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[11:26] <lee_Jenks> true mfa298
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[11:45] <Drzacek> lee_Jenks, multiple terminal through all the house, with network connection and touchscreen, where you could control your inteligent house (like lights in each room, what music to play, arm/disarm alarm, outside cameras view, heat settings etc)
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[11:46] <lee_Jenks> :-) , dope
[11:46] <Drzacek> or armi of pi-based robots, fighting with each other over kitchen territory
[11:46] <lee_Jenks> lmao
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[12:02] <RoBo_V> I'm trying to set up rtsp streaming on raspberry using vlc but getting error "cannot pre fill buffer" and sort. anyone knows?
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[12:08] <Spec-Chum> Hello everyone. Impulse bought a new Pi 3 yesterday with no idea what I want to do, so expect lots of questions in the coming days haha
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[12:09] <Habbie> congrats Spec-Chum
[12:09] <Habbie> we'll be here :)
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[12:10] <Spec-Chum> Habbie: awesome
[12:12] <Spec-Chum> I'm fairly fluent in Linux in general so hopefully I'll be able to stick around and return the favour in the not too distant future :)
[12:13] <NedScott> whatever you do
[12:13] <NedScott> don't lick it while it's plugged in
[12:13] <NedScott> trust me
[12:13] <Spec-Chum> NedScott: too late
[12:13] <Encrypt> "Impulse bought a new Pi 3 yesterday with no idea what I want to do" // I don't understand this type of persons (<.<)
[12:14] <NedScott> I assume it means "I can't decide which to try first among all the awesome possibilities"
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[12:14] <Spec-Chum> Encrypt: I don't understand myself sometimes, either, but hey it looked cool so I thought what the heck
[12:15] <Encrypt> Spec-Chum, Do what I have done: web server + mail server + asterisk server + printer server + data backup system
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[12:15] <Encrypt> Spec-Chum, This can be cool too: https://github.com/pi-hole/pi-hole
[12:15] <Spec-Chum> Well, my initial thought was an emulation/media server and a usenet automater
[12:15] <Encrypt> I'm planning to do that as well
[12:15] <Spec-Chum> however, I fear unraring will be quite slow
[12:16] <Spec-Chum> My main PC is currently on 24/07 for usenet, which I'm not keen on
[12:18] <NedScott> usenet for video? If so, assuming people were sane, the rar files shouldn't be compressed
[12:18] <NedScott> they should only be using the multi-part feature of rar's
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[12:20] <mfa298> I'd suspect the biggest issue the Pi3 would have with un-raring files is the disk IO speeds (which compression may actually help with)
[12:23] <Habbie> a smart usenet downloader would not put the rars on disk ever
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[12:24] <mfa298> that's only really an option if you've got a fast connection and lots of ram.
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[12:38] <Spec-Chum> I take it I can multi-boot with NOOBS?
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[12:39] <Spec-Chum> I'd like, say, Lakka and Rasbian together
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[13:45] <ali1234> http://i.imgur.com/eAEnXCK.png
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[13:52] <Voop> not bad
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[13:56] <\o`> better than I could do. Mine would be solid solder
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[14:04] <Embra> Hello
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[14:05] <greenmaker> hey, does this fan work for the Raspberry Pi 3?: https://www.amazon.de/Camac-L%C3%BCfter-Schrauben-Raspberry-Modell/dp/B015W2KRCQ/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1471009703&sr=8-2&keywords=Raspberry+pi+3+fan
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[14:06] <kerio> dear lord
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[14:08] <curlyears> heigh hough
[14:09] <curlyears> this channel feels as if it should be named Zeo
[14:09] <Embra> I love raspberries
[14:09] <Embra> What color are you
[14:10] <Embra> How can I make it so it only boots up to a standalone software and doesnt allow any other desktop functions
[14:10] <hypermist> Embra, so you want headless aka ssh only type deal ?
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[14:11] <Embra> help
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[14:12] <Habbie> Embra, 'kiosk' is a good search term for this
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[14:25] <\o`> lol, my 3 wire cables arrived today
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[14:25] <\o`> they're only about 3cm long
[14:25] <\o`> why did I order those?
[14:26] <kerio> 3 wire?
[14:26] <kerio> you mean SPI?
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[14:26] <\o`> just 3 wire ribbon cables
[14:26] <kerio> ye i was gonna say
[14:26] <\o`> but they will be used for SPI, yes
[14:26] <kerio> SPI is actually 4 cables :D
[14:27] <\o`> oh, they're 4
[14:27] <\o`> my bad
[14:27] <\o`> but they're useless to me because they're so short
[14:27] <\o`> I dunno why I ordered them
[14:28] <\o`> actually they're 3
[14:28] <Voop> i need some solid core jumper cables
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[14:28] <\o`> i think I planned to use them to connect to SCLCK, MOSI and MISI
[14:28] <\o`> not sure now
[14:28] <kerio> Voop: no you don't
[14:28] <kerio> you WANT some solid core jumper cables
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[14:29] <Voop> i do
[14:29] <kerio> \o`: but what about the chip select D;
[14:29] <\o`> kerio, well that's on the other side of the chip
[14:29] <\o`> so I think I was just going the run a different wire to it
[14:29] <\o`> I can't remember
[14:29] <Voop> stranded core is so hard to work with
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[14:29] <kerio> Voop: but it's better tho :<
[14:29] <Voop> tis the bane of my existence
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[14:30] <kerio> \o`: who even orders *three* cables
[14:30] <kerio> instead of like
[14:30] <kerio> 30
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[14:30] <kerio> of different lengths
[14:30] <\o`> well me obviously
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[14:30] <\o`> it a moment of insanity
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[14:31] <kerio> i need some extra jumper cables
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[14:32] <Spec-Chum> My clear case came with 2 tiny heatsinks. Do I really need them?
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[14:32] <kerio> Spec-Chum: probably not
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[14:33] <\o`> kerio, it's quite possible that I ordered them just to get my order >= $60 (for free shipping)
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[14:35] <Spec-Chum> kerio, hehe, that's pretty much the answer I got from Google; seems to be a split decision
[14:35] <Habbie> i've never used sinks
[14:35] <kerio> the ones that i got with my case were pretty low quality
[14:35] <Habbie> my latest case also came with them
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[14:36] <kerio> and if they botched the *metal*, why would i trust the adhesive thermal pad?
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[14:37] <Spec-Chum> I did actually buy the kit, with the pi3, case and NOOBS sd card, but I wanted a clear case so bought it separately; the heatsinks (really tiny things) both came free with the case
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[14:38] <Spec-Chum> It's not liking I'm going to be Prime95'ing the thing
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[14:41] <curlyears> Spec-Chum: whic Pi are you running?
[14:42] <Spec-Chum> 3
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[14:45] <Spec-Chum> At least I will be, I've not even taken it out of the box yet; at work ATM
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[14:45] <curlyears> well, you can run safely as long as you're not beating the crap out of your CPU, without the heatsinks. But, you have them, they're paid for, they're easy to install, and they will help keeping your Pi3 running as long as possible
[14:46] <kerio> unless the thermal pad is really awful
[14:46] <kerio> in which case it'll actively hinder the thing
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[14:47] <curlyears> kerio: I suspect even then. Getting rid of any heat at all helps, so even if it turns out the thermal pads are awful, you're still runnning a bit cooler
[14:47] <kerio> not if they're worse than air
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[14:47] <curlyears> stationary air or moving air?
[14:48] <kerio> yes
[14:48] <curlyears> yes?
[14:48] <kerio> ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ
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[14:49] <curlyears> stationary air is pretty awful. Moving aire carries away MUCH more heat
[14:49] <Bilby> Pi 3 is annoying
[14:49] <Bilby> we spent a couple years telling everyone their heatsinks were worse than nothing
[14:49] <Bilby> then Pi 3 comes out and can actually utilize one (properly implemented)
[14:49] <kerio> :D
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[14:50] <curlyears> Bilby: why is that? It doesn't offer you thew performance of a Cray atthe the price of a Pi?
[14:50] <kerio> i wonder, should i install mine
[14:50] <\o`> actually it might be as fast as an old Cray
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[14:50] <curlyears> Bilby: truly, you cmomplain about the strangest things
[14:50] <Bilby> lol
[14:51] <Bilby> I was being feceitous
[14:51] <ali1234> ew
[14:51] <curlyears> of course you were, Mr. Trump
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[14:52] <Bilby> riiight
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[14:53] <rain1> trump is good
[14:53] <Spec-Chum> With Pi 3 being Armv8 are there any plans of a v8 Raspbian? I presume it's currently compiled for lowest common denominator?
[14:53] <Bilby> let's keep the politics out of this, the last bastion of reasonable on-topic discource on IRC
[14:54] <rain1> huh
[14:54] <Bilby> Spec-Chum: Iirc there are two builds right now, a v6 for the Pi 1 and a v7 for the 2/3
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[14:54] <\o`> oh I almost forgot! /me hands curlyears a nice plate of scrambled eggs
[14:54] <Bilby> though there are tons of distros that are more focused
[14:54] <rain1> it's ok to say trump is bad, but as soon as someone says trump is good - "stop about politics!"
[14:55] <Spec-Chum> Bilby: ah, that's not as bad then
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[14:55] <Bilby> rain1: ? I didn't say anything about any political party. I'm not interested in talking politics on this channel
[14:55] <rain1> me neither
[14:55] <Spec-Chum> I had assumed 1, 2 and 3 all used the same binaries
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[14:57] <\o`> Wow. A proper voltage reference for my ADC makes a huge difference in accuracy
[14:58] <curlyears> rain1: no one said Trump was "bad" or "good." I introduced the term "Trump" in this discussion, for which I apologizze. Bilby is correct, this channel simply isn't the lace for these discussion
[14:58] <curlyears> \o`: this surprises you?
[14:58] <\o`> curlyears, not really =D
[14:58] <curlyears> s/lace/place/
[14:58] <Bilby> Spec-Chum: Okay, I'm wrong. https://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianFAQ#Will_Raspbian_work_with_non-Raspberry_Pi_systems.3F
[14:59] <Spec-Chum> Bilby: I'm going to play Devil's advocate here; purely subjective but is there a better OS for the Pi 3?
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[14:59] <Bilby> per that link Raspibian is compiled for the v6, hard float
[14:59] <Spec-Chum> yeah, just seen
[14:59] <Bilby> Better is relative - the 3 is so much faster than the 1 that you're seeing huge improvements in performance from raw speed
[14:59] <kerio> freebsd o/
[15:00] <Bilby> the official debian ARM compile will take advantage of the ARMv7 extensions
[15:00] <Spec-Chum> hmm "That being said, many newer hardware devices utilize a variant of the ARMv7 CPU which may be better served by the official Debian wheezy armhf port"
[15:00] <Habbie> raspbian is v6 hard float but they do ship a v7 kernel for the pi2/pi3
[15:00] <Bilby> 99% of the time if I'm not building a pi for use with a GUI i end up using minibian anyhow just from experience
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[15:00] <Bilby> honestly I think it's down to that - what you're comfortable with
[15:01] <Spec-Chum> I'm fine with Debian
[15:01] <Spec-Chum> ran Linux Mint DE for some time
[15:01] <\o`> I wouldn't mind a rump steak right now
[15:01] <Spec-Chum> x86 version, obvs
[15:01] <Bilby> for me, I never use Fedora. I know lots of people do, but i'm much more comfortable / familiar with Debian / Ubuntu and offshoots
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[15:01] <\o`> Bilby, I'm the opposite
[15:01] <Bilby> yep
[15:01] <Spec-Chum> I'm not keen on Fedora
[15:01] <Bilby> different strokes for different folks
[15:02] <\o`> I guess it just depends on where you started
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[15:02] <Spec-Chum> I don't mind Arch but all that manual config gets tiresome, I'm 40 a week today, I've not get time to nano xxxx.cfg every package. I just want to install and go
[15:02] <\o`> for me it was Yggdrasil Linux which has nothing to do with RedHat but then for some reason I ended up on RH then fedora
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[15:03] <Bilby> I started on RH7 but then ended up on Sparc Unix and then moved away from it entierly for a while
[15:03] <\o`> the different distros are not all *that* different
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[15:03] <\o`> I've tried them all (all the main ones anyway)
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[15:04] <Spec-Chum> \o`: Funny story, about 10 years ago I asked a Linux experienced friend for advise on a friendly distro for me to try. He jokingly said Gentoo, but I didn't know he was joking...I spent hours of getting nowhere...I still get Flashbacks
[15:04] <\o`> There was a time in 1999/2000 (around then) that I started using Debian and then I got annoyed with the community so *shrug* the rest is history
[15:04] <\o`> lol Spec-Chum
[15:04] <\o`> gentoo is fun if you have a lot of spare time
[15:06] <\o`> it's also worth doing the whole LFS thing if you have time as well
[15:06] <\o`> just for the learning
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[15:07] <\o`> Fedora isn't without issues but they're rare enough (or easy enough to fix) that they don't annoy me
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[15:07] <Spec-Chum> \o`: recompiling everything just to add a compiler flag is not my idea of fun lol
[15:07] <\o`> I don't have time these days to muck about with configs and building and etc for 8 hours a day
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[15:08] <\o`> Spec-Chum, especially if you're recompiling webkit
[15:08] <\o`> that things takes ages :/
[15:08] <curlyears> Spec-Chum: adolescent! /me <--- 63 a week ago Friday
[15:08] <\o`> I omit it from my Qt builds (if I have to build Qt) because it takes forever
[15:09] <Spec-Chum> I've got enough experince know to know what I want from distro and, I know I'm in a minority here, but I like Ubuntu...flame away!
[15:09] <Spec-Chum> I just install and run
[15:09] <\o`> Spec-Chum, back in the day we used to compile a kernel every time a patch was released hehe
[15:09] <Spec-Chum> not config, all hardware just works, I like it
[15:09] <Spec-Chum> curlyears: :D
[15:09] <\o`> nothing wrong with Ubuntu
[15:09] <\o`> if you're happy with it, stick with it
[15:09] <curlyears> I rather like ubuntu as well
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[15:10] <Spec-Chum> hopefully you understood the message inbetween the many typos there :D
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[15:19] <Spec-Chum> meh, I'll just stick to Raspbian, if it's good enough for you lot it can't be that bad :D
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[15:20] <curlyears> geeeze, I feel so honored, Spec-Chum p
[15:20] <curlyears> :p
[15:22] <curlyears> should I eat, or should I eat. Actually, I don't mind eating, Ijust don't feel like cooking right now
[15:23] <curlyears> ozzzzzy!!???
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[15:25] <Spec-Chum> I will give Sabnzbd a go tho, see how slow/fast it actually is
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[15:25] <Spec-Chum> Not sure if anyone saw my question before but I assume NOOBS can mult-boot?
[15:25] <Spec-Chum> +i
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[15:41] <ali1234> cool. it works
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[15:53] <ali1234> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=108&t=120968&start=105 lol
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[15:53] <ali1234> you can modify a 1.0 board to be a 1.1 board, and you can upgrade the firmware in the field
[15:53] <ali1234> i have done both
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[16:21] <omenius> aww yea. Just ordered my first raspberry (zero). It's like christmas :3
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[16:21] <BurtyB> heh
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[16:23] <Tenkawa> I'm getting ready to start rebuilding my zeros
[16:23] <Tenkawa> heheheh
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[16:28] <omenius> I'm about to make some kind of point-to-point wifi node, wondering about what super cheap usb I will buy (and then fix, because cheap stuff is from china)
[16:28] <omenius> *usb hub
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[16:29] <omenius> I will probably cut the red wire to the pi (power) from hub and get one that has external power input. Any suggestions?
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[16:38] <n0vacane> sounds pretty eleet
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[16:58] <\o`> wiring this circuit up on a breadboard is turning out to be exceedingly annoying
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[17:02] <Tenkawa> \o`: why
[17:02] <Tenkawa> ?
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[17:02] <\o`> wires, resistors, transistors all over the place
[17:03] <\o`> and I think I'll run out of holes
[17:03] <Tenkawa> ahh just the bulk of the number of parts
[17:03] <\o`> yeah, just that
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[17:08] * Tenkawa ponders what to build on this pi zero
[17:09] * Tenkawa also wishes the rain would slow down a bit
[17:09] <Tenkawa> heheheh
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[17:10] <\o`> what train?
[17:10] <\o`> oops... rain
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[17:12] <Spec-Chum> I'd love if Pi 4 has USB3, would be ideal for me
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[17:12] <RedParrot> Spec-Chum, but still the issue of the shared bus between trhe ethernet controller
[17:12] <RedParrot> Until they get a spereate controller then the speeds will be the same
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[17:12] <Spec-Chum> oh, didn't know it was all shared
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[17:43] <BluesKaj-pi> Hiyas all
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[17:44] <ScrumpyJack> I want to make a GOPRO type thing with the RPi zero and the camera. What sort of battery power will i need for 120mins of camera on and writing to the SD card?
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[17:47] <BluesKaj-pi> whatś the recommended torrent cleint for raspbian on a rpi 3
[17:47] <BluesKaj-pi> ?
[17:47] <BluesKaj-pi> client even
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[17:48] <BluesKaj-pi> intend to use with a socks5 proxy server if possible
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[17:51] <BluesKaj-pi> tried qbittorrent but ti fails to download , something about ot finding an ipv6 connection which is not even turned on in my router ot qbittorrent options , obviously a bug
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[17:51] <BluesKaj-pi> not finding
[17:51] <methuzla> ScrumpyJack, 120mins of video?
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[17:52] <ScrumpyJack> yes
[17:52] <ScrumpyJack> hoping 3 x AAA batteries will do it
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[17:53] <oq> ScrumpyJack: AA/AAA's are rather crap at high draws, they are best for trickling power like in a remote control
[17:54] <oq> ScrumpyJack: 18650's or a lipo would be best
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[17:55] <ScrumpyJack> and i use PP1 and PP6 on the PCB
[17:55] <ScrumpyJack> (sorry, that was a question)
[17:55] <oq> a 3000mah 18650 would get you 2 hours easily
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[17:56] <methuzla> agree. go lipo and boost converter.
[17:57] <ScrumpyJack> one of these? https://www.modmypi.com/raspberry-pi/breakout-boards/pi-modules/pico-lipo-battery-3000mah
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[17:57] <oq> you can get flatter ones
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[17:58] <oq> sure sure
[17:58] <oq> *but sure
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[17:59] <mfa298> in terms of AA/AAA cells that depends on the ones you get, some primary cells are quite capable of running a Pi for several hours
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[17:59] <mfa298> but lipo gives you rechargeable cells which will work out cheaper after a few uses
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[18:00] <omenius> I deeply believe in review culture so I just wan't to someones confirm that this will work. I have two usb network cards that draw let's say 1A each. I'm trying do decide what specs my usb hub needs to have. I'm thinking cheapest >2A rated usb hub and to be sure that pi won't draw power from the hub, I will cut the red wire. Sounds good?
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[18:01] <omenius> and the hub will of course get the power from external power supply
[18:03] <SpeedEvil> omenius: No, doesn't sound good.
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[18:03] <omenius> fug, whats about it?
[18:03] <SpeedEvil> Major problems are that 'cheapest 2A rated hub' is likely to not supply 2A
[18:03] <IT_Sean> that ^
[18:04] <omenius> well cheapest 2A hub will provide 2A, but not the cheapest hub that says "2A". I have to make sure that it really supplies 2A
[18:04] <SpeedEvil> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00GX3BKKW?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o07_s00 - works for me
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[18:04] <SpeedEvil> this is nice and cheap and actually seems to provide close to, if not actually 8A.
[18:05] <SpeedEvil> you will need to make up cables to split the power off.
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[18:07] <SpeedEvil> Or buy a pre-split cable
[18:08] <IT_Sean> You probably have enough spare / junk USB cables lying around to make your own.
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[18:09] <omenius> speedEvil: thanks for the link, that looks very nice
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[18:10] <SpeedEvil> I've just bought a third
[18:11] <omenius> that works only as power output but not as hub?
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[18:11] <omenius> I'm looking something OTG-like
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[18:11] <omenius> with >1A/usb slot
[18:12] <omenius> from external power supply
[18:12] <SpeedEvil> yes, it's just a PSU
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[18:14] <oq> otg-like?
[18:14] <Tenkawa> hey Bilby
[18:15] <Bilby> What's up?
[18:15] <Tenkawa> how about this weather eh?
[18:15] <Bilby> yeah haha it's pretty crazy
[18:15] <Tenkawa> indeed.. even for this area
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[18:16] <Tenkawa> and its going to keep being weird for a while still from what I read
[18:16] <omenius> oq: I'm not too sure about what OTG actually means. I think any hub will do, as long as it has external PSU input and enough amps
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[18:16] <omenius> but the thing is that since I'm using network cards with the hub, it need to be connected to pi
[18:16] <oq> omenius: otg is a micro usb port with an extra pin
[18:17] <omenius> but the red power wire I think I will cut if I will go with cheap one
[18:17] <Bilby> Tenkawa: yeah. still, better some rain than 90+ degrees and 95% humidity :|
[18:17] <omenius> okay, just to be curious, what does that extra pin do?
[18:17] <Tenkawa> that is true
[18:17] <Tenkawa> (that reminds me too much of where I grew up)
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[18:19] <oq> omenius: for changing between host and slave mode
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[18:19] <kerio> (automatically)
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[18:20] <BurtyB> OTG would mean the Pi was the USB host... so basically normal use for most Pi especially those with a hub
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[18:21] <omenius> nice, ty for info, really good to know
[18:21] <SpeedEvil> omenius: I mean simply use that to power things
[18:22] <oq> omenius: it basically lets you use slave stuff like thumbdrives with another device which is typically a slave like a phone
[18:23] <omenius> yeah, handy stuff. Didn't even think that it would need extra pin before
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[18:23] <omenius> that might explain why my about 5y old usb-microusb DIY wire didn't work :D
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[18:24] <kerio> omenius: well
[18:24] <kerio> it needs the extra pin and a specific "direction" of a cable
[18:24] <kerio> (and technically the usb otg port and plug should be physically different)
[18:25] <kerio> but that's only for automatic host/slave switching
[18:25] <kerio> sometimes you can just kludge your way to usb host mode without the extra pin
[18:27] <omenius> aight
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[19:11] <pwillard> Ohh... shiny. https://www.etcher.io/
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[19:13] <\o`> danger will robinson!
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[19:23] <dysoco> so I installed ArchARM on my RasPi3 but running '/opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_volts' yields 'volt=1.2000V' shouldn't that be 5.0000V ?
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[19:25] <MY123> dysoco: it should be 1.2V
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[19:25] <MY123> as it's the VCore
[19:25] <dysoco> oh alright
[19:25] <dysoco> is there any way to check the Amperage or if anything's underpowered?
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[19:26] <MY123> dysoco: you would see a blinking power LED
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[19:26] <Davespice> hi all
[19:26] <IT_Sean> hey Spicydave.
[19:26] <dysoco> a red power LED? Because I do see a green one
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[19:26] <MY123> hi
[19:26] <oq> dysoco: stick a device meant to measure voltage before the pi
[19:26] <dysoco> eh don't think I have one
[19:27] <dysoco> but seems like it's running fine
[19:27] <IT_Sean> dysoco, He didn't say red, he said "blinking" The LEDs on the Pi are not dual color.
[19:27] <oq> if the red led is off on the pi3 I believe the power supply is bad
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[19:29] <dysoco> no no, the red one is static, but there was a blinking green one which I assume is SD card access or something.
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[19:33] <doublehp> I have an rPi2 with first price I2C touch LCD. LCD is about 400x300; less than quarter on native resolution (1920). I want an easy interface to show basic info in big characters; in short, I want to use it like a 2 lines 16c display; can be X or console. Is there a trivial tool to do that ? can be text or HTML; but I need to be able to refresh data every 10s (by script)
[19:35] <mgottschlag> why "native resolution"? Can't you just set a different resolution and then select an appropriate console font?
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[19:37] <doublehp> just tell me ....
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[19:37] <mgottschlag> well, either in the boot config, or if you use X, then with xrandr
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[19:37] <doublehp> what's the easiest way when outputis generated by bash script (cron) ?
[19:38] <doublehp> in fact, I also would like to be able to use touch screen (like 4 buttons)
[19:38] <mgottschlag> no idea about touch input
[19:38] <doublehp> that's why I d prefer HTML
[19:39] <mgottschlag> I bet that there are browsers which can be launched in full screen mode
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[19:40] <Bilby> doublehp, the display shows up as a regular video output? IE as if it were plugged into composite or hdmi?
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[19:40] <doublehp> Bilby: LCD shows up left part of X, about 25% surface
[19:41] <mgottschlag> http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=654650
[19:41] <mgottschlag> ah, no, the extensions in that thread are all dead
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[19:42] <mgottschlag> but there are other "kiosk mode" extensions for firefox
[19:42] <mgottschlag> anyways, first you need to configure X to use the right resolution
[19:42] <mgottschlag> what is the output of "xrandr" on that system?
[19:43] <doublehp> mgottschlag: this requires a keyboard !!!!
[19:44] <mgottschlag> no... SSH, and then "DISPLAY=:0 xrandr" :)
[19:44] <doublehp> 480x320 .... but half of the console is out of display
[19:45] <mgottschlag> makes sense, most small displays are 320x240
[19:45] <mgottschlag> can you paste the output somewhere?
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[19:46] <mgottschlag> xrandr --output eDP1 --mode 1920x1080 <- this is how I used to configure my laptop screen... you need to change the output according to xrandr
[19:47] <mgottschlag> and, obviously, you need a different mode
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[19:47] <doublehp> better idea coming soo
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[19:47] <doublehp> ssh: Can't open display :0.0
[19:48] <doublehp> you will see that I am missing the top right decoration
[19:48] <mgottschlag> I don't know how X is started on the rpi, and I actually don't know how to find the ID of the X server (the ":0") :/
[19:49] <doublehp> mgottschlag: http://picpaste.com/2016-08-15_17-47-01_IMAG5999-69oL6X2G.jpg
[19:50] <doublehp> I have two X, but default :0 was propably started without anebling connexinos
[19:50] <mgottschlag> huh, but the Xfce panel seems to be complete (with the clock at the top left), so if anything is missing, then that's at the bottom
[19:50] <mgottschlag> did you try to maximize the terminal by right clicking on the top left icon or something like that?
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[19:51] <doublehp> it maximises correctly (missing less than 5 px)
[19:52] <mgottschlag> in other words, the resolution is actually correct?
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[19:52] <doublehp> probably
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[19:52] <doublehp> what I need, is show about 4 lines of 20c
[19:52] <mgottschlag> great, then pick a browser with kiosk mode and create a HTML page for your info :)
[19:52] <mgottschlag> (e.g. with javascript auto-refresh)
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[19:53] <mgottschlag> although that requires a backend which provides the data... do you know something about that stuff?
[19:53] <doublehp> i would like to run it without WM
[19:53] <doublehp> mgottschlag: pipe, is my usual interface
[19:53] <doublehp> if html, i will use auto refrsh
[19:54] <mgottschlag> well, launching without X is certainly possible... how did you launch that X server so far?
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[19:54] <doublehp> mgottschlag: my raspbian startx automatically; I would like a browser with X, without WM
[19:54] <doublehp> without decoration
[19:55] <mgottschlag> yeah, then disable the X service (or probably rather lightdm service, I really don't know much about the pi... why am I in this channel again? :D)
[19:55] <mgottschlag> and launch X manually in /etc/rc.local
[19:56] <doublehp> X can be disabled via raspy-config
[19:56] <mgottschlag> or that.
[19:57] <mgottschlag> then it's probably something like "Xorg :4", "DISPLAY=:4 yourbrowserhere" in rc.local
[19:57] <mgottschlag> (try it in SSH first though... you don't want to reboot whenever something isn't 100% right)
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[19:59] <pwillard> You can always Boot to CMDline but access X from VNC if you want GUI to run... leaving the main display alone to display what you want
[19:59] <ali1234> dont use X to make embedded guis
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[20:00] <pwillard> I'm not talking about the kiosk screen... saying remote IN via display:1
[20:00] <doublehp> i don't want VNC
[20:01] <mgottschlag> for a system like the pi, X is alright for most types of embedded GUIs
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[20:01] <ali1234> no it isn't
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[20:01] <ali1234> on the Pi X is literally the worst possible choice for any kind of graphics
[20:01] <Mehran> How can i connect rpi on the go with my iPhone ?
[20:01] <Mehran> Adhoc is good idea ?
[20:02] <mgottschlag> so what are other options which are easily accessible without to much programming?
[20:02] <doublehp> ali1234: so give me a better option; I want to show a basic HTML page, and few buttons (via touch screen)
[20:02] <doublehp> ali1234: only need text
[20:02] <ali1234> Mehran: i could never get adhoc to work, but i was able to put the pi in ap mode
[20:03] <Mehran> ali1234: adhoc worked for me but just with open security
[20:03] <ali1234> i didn't try completely open but yeah often it's a question of which encryptions work with which modes
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[20:03] <ali1234> doublehp: Qt on linuxfb backend
[20:04] <doublehp> ali1234: i won't touch C; only bash
[20:04] <ali1234> you won't even need to recompile it for this
[20:04] <doublehp> tell me more
[20:04] <ali1234> you can program it in javascript as well
[20:04] <Mehran> ali1234: how u pi on ap mode ?
[20:05] <ali1234> Mehran: hostapd
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[20:05] <ali1234> doublehp what device does your screen show up as?
[20:05] <ali1234> is it a /dev/fb?
[20:06] <ali1234> it probably is if it is i2c and you can run X on it
[20:06] <doublehp> "Allwinner A10/A13 FBDEV" ?
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[20:06] <ali1234> yeah
[20:06] <ali1234> so is it fb0? fb1?
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[20:07] <doublehp> fb0
[20:07] <ali1234> okay
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[20:09] <ali1234> let me just try something
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[20:10] <doublehp> I think I have it: "startx -- :1" , and in .xinitrc "/usr/bin/dillo -f http://www.google.com/"
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[20:11] <ali1234> heh, startx
[20:11] <ali1234> i hope you're not going to let the public touch that
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[20:12] <\o`> lol, the robot is in love
[20:13] <doublehp> ali1234: small hostel (bed and breakfast)
[20:13] <Bilby> doublehp: sorry I just remembered I had IRC up haha
[20:13] <ali1234> can't do opengl on a framebuffer unfortunately so your options are very limited
[20:13] <Bilby> you should look into Kivy
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[20:14] <\o`> lol, robot crying now
[20:15] <doublehp> /usr/bin/dillo -f -g 480x320 http://www.whatismyscreenresolution.com/
[20:15] <doublehp> the rest is HTML writing, and bash croning ...
[20:16] <mgottschlag> doublehp: you might want some automatic restart mechanism for the important bits
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[20:16] <mgottschlag> e.g., if dillo or X dies, restart everything... ideally, you'd even want to monitor whether that javascript is still running (and not stuck somehow)
[20:16] <doublehp> final solution is: "startx -- :1" in /etc/rc.local, and in /root/.xinitrc "/usr/bin/dillo -f -g 480x320 file:///var/cache/foobar.html/"
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[20:17] <doublehp> mgottschlag: I already have activated the watchdog and weekly reboot
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[20:17] <mgottschlag> yeah, I am talking about userspace watchdogs, when not the whole system freezes/crashs, but just parts of userspace
[20:17] <mgottschlag> in the worst case, your system could be out of order for a week
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[20:18] <pwillard> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-212uqVsFV58/UAM5-yFp6SI/AAAAAAAAEJA/PCHAbBW0wOI/s1600/blue+screen+of+death.jpg
[20:18] <mgottschlag> (whether you need to guard against that depends on how critical the service is of course)
[20:20] <doublehp> which SQL database can I use, that will not damage the SD card, and that can be easily sync over network
[20:22] <mgottschlag> that's difficult
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[20:22] <mgottschlag> the only solution which does not cause wear to the SD card is if you place the database somewhere completely different
[20:23] <mgottschlag> behind a web service on a web server accessed via the internet for example
[20:23] <mgottschlag> that's probably what I'd do if that system has internet access
[20:23] <doublehp> mgottschlag: the DB musst be able to work without network for 8 days
[20:23] <mgottschlag> no idea then
[20:24] <mgottschlag> if writes are very rare, than a DB on the SD card might work though
[20:24] <mgottschlag> ideally, such systems boot from an RO file system though
[20:24] <pwillard> A USB thubdrive might be better than SD for database.. but still not great
[20:24] <mgottschlag> and any writeable partition can be destroyed when the system crashes
[20:25] <mgottschlag> (actually, SD cards can be completely corrupted by crashes, but I hope that that's rare enough)
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[20:26] <DaQatz> For a database I would use a harddrive connected via usb
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[20:26] <Bilby> how big of a database?
[20:26] <pwillard> I collected weather data every 60 seconds for a year into a SD card using MySql with a Pi2 and didn't have issues... but I suspect I might have been pushing my luck.
[20:26] <Bilby> SD cards have a good long life, unless you have a pretty big DB with constant writing i wouldn't worry about it unless it becomes a problem
[20:27] <pwillard> which is of course... too late lol
[20:27] <DaQatz> SD cards are pretty good. And have a lot of read/writes. But many databases do way too many
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[20:28] <Bilby> pwillard: why? that's 3.15 million writes @ 15 kb is only 3.6 GB
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[20:28] <doublehp> Bilby: about 1k per second; probably less
[20:28] <doublehp> Bilby: let say, 15 numbers of 10 digits
[20:28] <doublehp> per s
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[20:29] <pwillard> Yeah, It wasn't an issue...
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[20:29] <Bilby> so like... 150 bytes per second... with lots of overhead, yeah prolly 1k /s. i wouldn't worry
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[20:29] <pwillard> It was a Sandisk 16GB SD card so space was not an issue either.
[20:30] <Bilby> even say 3 kbps is 11.8GB / year
[20:30] <doublehp> so, which DB to use, via bash ?
[20:30] <DaQatz> pwillard, yeah that database io was trivial
[20:30] <Bilby> I started playing with sqlite lately and i like it a lot
[20:31] <Bilby> sooper easy to use
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[20:31] <Bilby> but it's whatever database or library you're familiar with
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[20:32] <pwillard> THere are some fancy free format ones... like MongoDB... but I found MySql to be more reliable.
[20:32] <shauno> if you don't have wear-levelling, that can be kinda significant. 3.5 million writes isn't a lot - 3.5 to the same location is
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[20:32] <pwillard> MariaDB is a clone of MySql... different enough to be annoying.
[20:33] <Bilby> yeah I use MySQL, then MariaDB
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[20:33] <ali1234> how about nosql
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[20:34] <pwillard> MongoDB is a nosql db
[20:34] <ali1234> i was thinking of a more literal approach
[20:34] <ali1234> where you don't use a database at all
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[20:34] <pwillard> LOL... oops
[20:35] <pwillard> big Ole ini files?
[20:35] <Bilby> ali1234: you can use sqlite and write to all sorts of files
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[20:35] <Bilby> it just lets you leverage SQL-like commands
[20:35] <doublehp> Bilby: DB will be more flexible than raw file, for future use
[20:36] <pwillard> THere is Oracle/Baerkley DB format.
[20:36] <Bilby> you can hypothetically use anything you want - CSV, XML, whatevs... SQL / database interface is just easy to use. I put sqlite in place of a CSV file and it was much easier to handle. but ymmv of course
[20:37] <pwillard> Yeah, SQLite is handy
[20:37] <Berg> lattePanda?
[20:40] <Berg> it has win10
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[20:44] <Chunkyz> https://s3.postimg.org/oshvslznn/Screenshot_from_2016_08_15_18_43_14.png :)
[20:44] <Chunkyz> <3 my pi 3.
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[20:45] <oq> white text on yellow? wow
[20:45] <Berg> my pi3 dont have a monitor
[20:45] <pwillard> Old Eyes need more contrast lol
[20:45] <mgottschlag> argh, too slow... I also <3 while text/yellow bg :D
[20:46] <Berg> when he finds the title colour for desktop icons he be ok
[20:46] <mgottschlag> also, that wordwrapping of "Wastebasket" is horribly broken, but that's ok :D
[20:46] <oq> losing the gradient on the taskbar wouldn't hurt too
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[20:47] <Berg> *you need a win10* os
[20:47] <Berg> yes you do
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[20:54] <doublehp> thanks, bye
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[21:02] <Bilby> *yawn*
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[21:13] <jasabella> hi :) anyone gotten a rtl8192cu going as an access point before? can you connect to a wifi point and be an AP simultaneously?
[21:15] <mgottschlag> I haven't, but given the superb quality of the rtl8192 drivers, my bet would be "no".
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[21:21] <jasabella> does the official raspbian image use the driver/blobs from the manufacturer?
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[21:23] <Habbie> jasabella, firmware, yes
[21:24] <mgottschlag> but probably not the RTL driver (which actually is open source, just not in the mainline kernel)
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[21:31] <bedah> hi.. any recommendation if i want to run an irc bot on a rpi, would be nice if can talk to gpios etc. maybe someone has done similar things
[21:32] <Voop> im trying to get this modem working on my zero
[21:32] <bedah> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Internet_Relay_Chat_bots there are lots of irc bots..
[21:33] <mfa298> bedah: shoudl be doable, although you probably want to do it on a dedicated channel / private server
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[21:33] <Voop> when i run the script it says ttyAMAO is blocked by pid678
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[21:33] <Voop> anyone know whatthat means
[21:33] <ali1234> bedah: use sysfs gpio interface and run bot as a user in the gpio group
[21:33] <bedah> mfa298, yes, just for playing around. and reporting of data could be open
[21:33] <ali1234> then you can use whatever bot you want as long as it can read and write files
[21:34] <bedah> https://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/363vuq/any_one_made_a_irc_bot_on_the_pi/ i am not the first to ask this question :D
[21:34] <mfa298> bedah: you probablty want to use a framework based on your prefered language
[21:34] <ali1234> i would recommend python
[21:34] <ali1234> it's hard to get surprised by python code
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[21:34] <bedah> my prefered language.. does not matter much, as long as "not java" ;D
[21:35] <jasabella> eggdrop with tcl :) hehe
[21:35] <bedah> helga hm.. https://github.com/shaunduncan/helga
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[21:35] <bedah> anyway.. thanks for listening, should have googled before asking :D
[21:36] <mfa298> bedah: other than gpio access there's nothing particularly special about doing a bot on a Pi or any other system
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[21:37] <ali1234> even gpio is not special.. it's a standard kernel interface
[21:37] <ali1234> just that most PCs don't have any
[21:37] <mfa298> as for language python or ruby are probably the easiest to work with if you don't have much experience of other languages
[21:37] <bedah> getting some gpios or even i²c running would be nice
[21:37] <BurtyB> Voop, it means another process has it open.. possibly a login if you didn't disable it ("ps -p 678" should show you what tho)
[21:38] <ali1234> i2c is also a standard interface, check python-smbus
[21:38] <bedah> yes
[21:38] <Voop> BurtyB, thanks ill try that
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[21:41] <izzyi2d2> ello everyone
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[21:43] <Voop> BurtyB, it said TIME CMD
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[21:44] <Voop> im not sure what that is but how do i stop it
[21:46] <ali1234> that is the column header
[21:46] <ali1234> no other output means pid 678 no longer exists
[21:46] <ali1234> try 'lsof /dev/ttyAMA0'
[21:49] <Voop> command not found
[21:50] <izzyi2d2> hey ali
[21:50] <izzyi2d2> still fighting this lcd....
[21:53] <Voop> when i do cat /var/log/syslog | grep chat
[21:53] <Voop> it says 'no carrier'
[21:54] <Voop> i dont think i have the APN settings wrong
[21:54] <Voop> hopefully this isnt because i dont have an antenna
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[22:02] <vrmxm> More Gentooo/Pi woes. Couldn't get samba installed because a dep failed to compile, and now trying to run a world upgrade fails when mesa fails to compile.
[22:02] <vrmxm> *sadface*
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[22:02] <b6s3d> i can't install libsdl1.2-dev
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[22:10] <izzyi2d2> i cant get this stupid lcd to work...
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[22:10] * \o` falls into IT_Sean's arms
[22:10] * IT_Sean drops \o`
[22:11] * IT_Sean kicks \o` while he's down
[22:11] <\o`> meanie!
[22:11] <IT_Sean> What do you want?
[22:11] <\o`> I just wanted a hug!
[22:11] <\o`> but you had to go and beat me up
[22:11] <vrmxm> Anyone have any experience with FreeBSD on the Pi?
[22:12] <vrmxm> I'm getting fed up with the Gentoo packages not compiling
[22:12] <JK-47> or jus use rasbian…
[22:12] <Encrypt> ^
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[22:12] <vrmxm> That's one step up from Win10 IoT
[22:12] <JK-47> ohh god.
[22:12] <vrmxm> I would prefer software from the last five years
[22:13] <vrmxm> And Debian updates about as often as Stallman shaves
[22:13] <\o`> Actually I'd like to give using one of the BSDs a go on the pi
[22:13] * \o` writes it down as a goal for the week
[22:14] <CompanionCube> vrmxm: what about archlinux's arm port
[22:14] <JK-47> you cant even compile a package, i dont think you have much to talk about
[22:14] <JK-47> and 4.1 kernel is a bit newer than 5 years ago
[22:14] <vrmxm> Is someone sour?
[22:14] <vrmxm> Sounds like someone's sour
[22:14] <JK-47> just you
[22:15] <JK-47> anti-os fanboys are pretty lame
[22:15] <vrmxm> I've gotten many packages to compile. But the ones that aren't compiling are particularly problrmatic
[22:15] <vrmxm> What's an anti-OS fanboy?
[22:15] <\o`> Saying "I'm sick of this, I want to try *************" is not anti-os :/
[22:16] <Voop> it says a differend PID every time
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[22:16] <Voop> ttyAMA0 is blocked by PID 660
[22:16] <vrmxm> And, for the record, I've used Debian a few times, but I always end up leaving it because the packages are too old
[22:16] <mgottschlag> all current mainstram OSs (including BSD, Solaris, ...) are horrible
[22:17] <\o`> Debian was good 18 years ago
[22:17] <JK-47> you realize you can compile what ever you want, even on debian.
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[22:17] <mgottschlag> (but then I am an OS researcher, so I guess that's my justification for what I do)
[22:17] <JK-47> BSD and solaris arent really mainstream.
[22:17] <mgottschlag> well, BSD and solaris are like Linux, with minor differences
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[22:18] <mgottschlag> no significant differences, so they are horrible even though they are not mainstream :)
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[22:18] <\o`> at least they're Unix
[22:18] <mgottschlag> hm. doesn't make it any better :p
[22:18] <JK-47> Here we go.
[22:18] <vrmxm> Yes, I can compile whatever I want on Debian. But if I'm compiling a good portion of my packages, then ... well, I think you can figure that out
[22:19] <mgottschlag> I'd say that it is possible to build a proper secure system based on Fiasco.OC or seL4 which still performs well and has a better API than POSIX :)
[22:20] <mgottschlag> (well, okay... most parts of the POSIX API are ok, but some parts just show their age)
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[22:23] <\o`> what's an OS researcher do?
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[22:25] <mgottschlag> argh, my internet is horribly broken today
[22:25] <SpeedEvil> The internet has been horribly broken for the last 20 years
[22:25] <IT_Sean> Mine usually works.
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[22:26] <IT_Sean> SpeedEvil, I think the problem is that they let anyone on it.
[22:26] <vrmxm> s/anyone/the wrong people/
[22:26] <IT_Sean> We need to start kicking some people off of it. Starting with anyone who has ever subscribed to AOL.
[22:26] <CoJaBo> lol
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[22:26] <vrmxm> Start with the people who are *still* subscribed to AOL
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[22:27] <IT_Sean> vrmxm, they would be covered by my "has ever" clause
[22:27] <vrmxm> Yes
[22:27] <vrmxm> But it's a subset
[22:27] <vrmxm> An important subset, I should think
[22:27] <IT_Sean> Fine, we'll do them first.
[22:27] <\o`> mgottschlag, every single popular OS is very well documented. What's left to research about them?
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[22:28] <JK-47> I subscribed in 2001 on GEOS does that count?
[22:28] <IT_Sean> Yup!
[22:28] <mgottschlag> \o`: popular operating systems suck in various ways
[22:29] <IT_Sean> But you now own and competently use a RaspberryPi for awesomeness, so you get an exemption.
[22:29] <mgottschlag> most importantly, they are just one large blob without proper modularization or compartmentalization
[22:29] <JK-47> actualy probably earilier. was using slurp and slip to an isp in the 90s
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[22:29] <JK-47> fudge, 1991 was the geos aol days
[22:29] <JK-47> im getting too old
[22:29] * IT_Sean digs a grave for JK-47
[22:29] <\o`> mgottschlag, but we all know that. What's to be researched?
[22:29] <mgottschlag> which causes huge security problems (bug in your network driver? yes, you can compromise the whole system with that.) and for maintenance
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[22:30] <mgottschlag> well, we don't necessarily know how to fix those problems
[22:30] <mgottschlag> (and, new problems arise as time progresses and new types of hardware come up)
[22:31] <mgottschlag> e.g., modern 40GBps ethernet is a more difficult beast than the 1GBE network adapter in your average personal computer, and that has implications on how the operating system has to be designed
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[22:32] <\o`> mgottschlag, are there any non-monolithic OSs that you'd recommend?
[22:32] <mgottschlag> no, not for general use
[22:33] <mgottschlag> there have been promising approaches, but the usual problem is money... that, and researchers care about publications, not about a widely used product :)
[22:33] <mgottschlag> Nova is an interesting approach on security, but I doubt that it performs well
[22:34] <mgottschlag> (and I think Nova actually has a usable GUI with fairly good POSIX compatibility)
[22:34] <mgottschlag> I never tried it
[22:34] <mgottschlag> sorry, Genode, not NOVA
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[22:36] <mgottschlag> https://www.usenix.org/system/files/conference/hotos13/hotos13-final26.pdf <- interesting summary of why Linux' approach to TCP/IP accelerators sucks when it comes to really fast networks
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[22:38] <mgottschlag> (btw, I am not necessary a "OS researcher", but rather a "Phd student who is active in the area of operating systems", I don't know whether that already qualifies me as a researcher :) )
[22:38] <rain1> it does!
[22:39] <Voop> could someone tell me what Device ttyAMA0 is locked by pid 625 means
[22:39] <\o`> well, network should not really be part of a kernel anyway
[22:40] <mgottschlag> True... and so should many other things. Hardware access protection (many different processes) does not come for free either though.
[22:40] <stiv> pid is process id. msg means process 625 is using tty device, Voop
[22:40] <JK-47> you realize that everything is starting to drop right on the pcie bus w/ almost direct memory and cpu access, right?
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[22:41] <Voop> stiv, im using a clean install of raspian just like in the tutorial. so i dont see why something is interfering
[22:42] <ozzzy> Voop, did disable the logon console that uses it
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[22:47] <stiv> Voop, ps -e |grep 625 might give a clue
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[22:50] <mgottschlag> <3 this ISP
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[22:51] <mgottschlag> and the best part: I am locked into the contract until the beginning of next year, and their tech support answers every request with "did you try reconnecting the LAN cable in your computer" or a variation of that
[22:52] <oq> mgottschlag: you'd be suprised at how many tech support calls are solved with those simple questions at the start
[22:53] <mgottschlag> yeah, but not if that answer comes as an SMS two hours after I've placed a support request via phone and gave them a detailed technical description of the problem :/
[22:53] <mgottschlag> I don't doubt that the average problem can be solved by those questions
[22:54] <mgottschlag> I would have made more angry phone calls, and I guess that would have solved the problem (and I am certainly going to do that the next days), but the last days/weeks were just too stressful already
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[22:56] <mfa298> having had to do some tech support in the past there was also always the aim of ask something vaguely relevant as quickly as possible as you can put the ticket on hold and so stopping the clock in terms of sla for resolution time
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[22:59] <Voop> stiv, its not just 625
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[23:00] <Voop> it comes up with the same message with 660 and 678 as well
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[23:10] <mgottschlag> Voop: did my last message about lsof come through?
[23:10] <mgottschlag> (and/or did you resolve your problem already?)
[23:10] <rain1> is the guy who was on yesterday asking about JTAG raspi here?
[23:11] <Voop> mgottschlag, i wish
[23:11] <mgottschlag> <mgottschlag> Voop: maybe try "lsof | grep tty"
[23:11] <mgottschlag> <mgottschlag> I don't know the exact usage of lsof, but something like that might tell you what is using that file
[23:11] <mgottschlag> <mgottschlag> it might be ModemManager or something like that, I've seen that before
[23:11] <Voop> the lsof thing said "unknown command" or something
[23:11] <Voop> ill try it again
[23:11] <mgottschlag> huh
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[23:12] <Voop> -bash lsof: command not found
[23:12] <mfa298> Voop: you might need to isntall it first, try sudo apt-get install lsof
[23:12] <mgottschlag> that should be one of the core linux utils
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[23:12] <mgottschlag> ah, okay, apparently it isn't
[23:12] <mfa298> its not on my raspbian-lite pi
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[23:14] <mgottschlag> http://linux-tips.org/t/prevent-modem-manager-to-capture-usb-serial-devices/284 <- this is what I meant about ModemManager
[23:15] <Voop> alright it worked
[23:15] <mgottschlag> (because ModemManager will try to probe the TTY for an attached modem, and that can take a while and can seriously mess up some devices which don't expect modem commands on their input
[23:15] <mgottschlag> )
[23:16] <Voop> should i pastebin the result
[23:16] <mgottschlag> can't hurt
[23:16] <Goldschlager> kinda while on the topic: Anyone been able to connect 2 ISP's to use as a single connection? (bonded)
[23:17] <Voop> http://pastebin.com/83shBTvE
[23:17] <mgottschlag> I am about to try that with an UMTS modem... not bonded though, more like a backup connection
[23:17] <mgottschlag> I don't know how yet
[23:17] <gordonDrogon> Goldschlager, lartc.org ... and start reading...
[23:17] <mgottschlag> Voop: okay, that's nothing interesting
[23:17] <Voop> you can say that again
[23:17] <mgottschlag> those PIDs, to which process do they belong to?
[23:18] <Goldschlager> thanks
[23:18] <Voop> i have no idea
[23:18] <Voop> im a linux supernoob
[23:18] <mgottschlag> when you get that "locked by..." message, just do "ps aux | grep yourPIDhere"
[23:19] <CoJaBo> mgottschlag: heh, glad I'm not the only one who does that =D
[23:19] <Voop> what does that do
[23:19] <mgottschlag> ps aux = list all running processes with details
[23:19] <izzyi2d2> anyone familiar with LCD's using python having an issue where it scrambles up during a certain function but is fine the rest of the program
[23:19] <mgottschlag> CoJaBo: I probably suck at Linux, I've memorized a certain core set of commands and never looked at anything else :D
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[23:19] <mgottschlag> ifconfig vs ip <command> ftw
[23:20] <CoJaBo> mgottschlag: There's pgrep, but I still prefer to chain ps and grep :P
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[23:20] <Voop> the output of that doesnt look very interesting either
[23:20] <mgottschlag> what does it say?
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[23:21] <Voop> http://pastebin.com/fj18gPk8
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[23:21] <Voop> those are the three that it said were blocked (or was it locked)
[23:21] <mgottschlag> okay, and if you try to use the serial port *now*, you still get those PIDs?
[23:22] <Voop> i think i have the serial port turned off
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[23:23] <Voop> because the serial port interferes with devices on gpio or something
[23:24] <mgottschlag> ... okay, but then, what are you trying to do with ttyAMA0? :D
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[23:24] <Voop> https://learn.adafruit.com/fona-tethering-to-raspberry-pi-or-beaglebone-black/setup
[23:24] <Voop> ^ is what im doing
[23:24] <mgottschlag> ttyAMA0 *is* a serial port
[23:26] <Voop> when i do screen /dev/ttyAMA0 115200
[23:26] <Voop> the device IS connected
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[23:26] <mgottschlag> I don't think I understand your problem well enough :)
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[23:28] <mgottschlag> Voop: so, does that mean that the problem is solved?
[23:28] <Voop> i wish
[23:28] <Voop> i hate when youre following a tutorial by the letter and it still doesnt work
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[23:29] <mgottschlag> then maybe explain again what fails and how
[23:29] <ShorTie> never found a single tutorial that works for me, normally gotta morf 3 or 4 .. :/~
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[23:30] <Voop> alright so im setting up a PPP connection with a FONA (2g modem) connected via GPIO
[23:30] <ozzzy> Voop, did you disable serial login in raspi-config?
[23:30] <Voop> yes
[23:30] <ozzzy> then it's available and you're doing something wrong
[23:31] <ozzzy> check your baudrate
[23:31] <Voop> my baudrate is correct as far as i know
[23:31] <Voop> 115200
[23:32] <Voop> when i connect to the device with /dev/ttyAMA0 115200 its connected properly
[23:32] <Voop> but when i try to turn on the PPP thing (to establish a GPRS internet connection) it fails
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[23:36] <Voop> holy poop i think i fixed it
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[23:43] <Voop> lol now its not letting me ssh into the ppp0 connection
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[23:44] <Voop> i guess the glass half full outlook would be "well at least im learning"
[23:44] <binaryhermit> that's the spirit?
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[23:45] <g0z> hm never mind, just ran across my answer
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[23:48] <Voop> oh wait you cant ssh into computers not on your home network right
[23:48] <binaryhermit> not without forwarding the port and using the correct ip
[23:48] <\o`> what?
[23:49] <binaryhermit> and I'd guess most dialup ISPs use carrier-grade NAT
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[23:49] <Voop> so id need to forward port 22
[23:49] <binaryhermit> right\
[23:49] <\o`> port forwarding is for incoming
[23:49] <binaryhermit> right
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[23:49] <binaryhermit> I meant on the recieving end
[23:50] <\o`> yeah, so you can certainly ssh to a computer outside of your home network without any changes at all
[23:50] <\o`> (i.e. "ssh into")
[23:51] <Voop> it seems like its not too easy to shh into a cellular ip
[23:51] <Voop> from my short google
[23:51] <mgottschlag> yeah, and port forwarding is impossible
[23:52] <mgottschlag> the best you can do is to build a reverse proxy
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[23:52] <Voop> i cant tell if youre being sarcastic or legit
[23:53] <mgottschlag> sorry, ssh reverse tunnel
[23:53] <mgottschlag> port forwarding is impossible if the NAT is not controlled by you (in this case, by the ISP)
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