#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2016-08-16

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[0:00] <mustapha_dkhissi> Hi,
[0:00] <mustapha_dkhissi> I have Raspberry Pi 1 B, 16GB memory card, mouse, keyboard, wifi, bluetooth dongle.
[0:00] <mustapha_dkhissi> Is there any starter kit under 15 $? to play with GPIO, LEDs, sensors... ?
[0:00] <mustapha_dkhissi> Thanks !
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[0:01] <Berg> ebay
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[0:02] <Twist> Is there a reasonable (not hosted on sourceforge) alternative to Win32 Disk Imager?
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[0:03] <ozzzy> what's wrong with win32 diskimager
[0:03] <Twist> See above.
[0:03] <ozzzy> ok... what's wrong with sourceforge
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[0:04] <Twist> They tend to inject trojans and adware into installers hosted on their site.
[0:04] <ozzzy> bull
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[0:04] <ozzzy> 'they' don't do anything.... the maintainer might
[0:04] <\o`> lol
[0:05] <Twist> Are you suggesting that they no longer do this, or that they have never done so?
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[0:05] <\o`> you can do the same on github
[0:05] <\o`> or anywhere else
[0:05] <ozzzy> I host on SF... and I use software d/l from SF.... and I've never seen 'them' inject anything
[0:05] <ozzzy> they don't control the files
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[0:05] <ozzzy> anyway... it's swim time
[0:05] <ozzzy> diskimager works fine
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[0:06] <Twist> Because this was a pretty well documented problem when it started happening. Multiple malware blockers started blocking their site entirely, etc. It got a lot of press.
[0:06] <ozzzy> take that up with the maintainers... not SF
[0:06] <binaryhermit> I think they only do it for windows binaries
[0:07] <binaryhermit> packaging them in installers that try to push... questionably beneficial stuff
[0:07] <\o`> magic
[0:07] <Twist> https://www.google.com/#q=sourceforge+injecting+malware
[0:07] <binaryhermit> not entirely unlike flash and java's windows installers
[0:07] <Berg> hehehe
[0:07] <binaryhermit> and adobe acrobat reader's installers
[0:08] * binaryhermit isn't referring to flash, java and adobe acrobat reader
[0:08] <Berg> your not?
[0:08] <binaryhermit> as questionably beneficial I mean
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[0:08] * binaryhermit meant stuff like browser toolbars
[0:09] <binaryhermit> wait, they changed the name of adobe acrobat reader, didn't they?
[0:09] <Berg> I only bother with sites that allow me to view without those afore mentioned thinies
[0:09] <mustapha_dkhissi> is there any cheap starter kit ?
[0:10] <Berg> what do you wona start mustapha_dkhissi
[0:10] <Berg> https://www.raspberrypi.org/
[0:11] <Twist> mustapha_dkhissi: literally hundreds all over amazon and ebay. If you can explain what you're trying to accomplish, we might be able to provide better information.
[0:12] <Berg> weather monitoring or robot mastery or automations
[0:12] <Berg> i might put a web cam on my dog
[0:12] <Berg> see where he goes
[0:13] <\o`> that's an invasion of privacy
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[0:15] <mustapha_dkhissi> I don't have in mind any project now
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[0:15] <Berg> search for projects they alreadsy done and see what parts are on ebay amazon
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[0:16] <Berg> i dont think there is a limit on what you can achieve
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[0:16] <\o`> Berg, yeah there is no technical limit, but morally your dog deserves its away time in private
[0:16] <Voop> hey guys guess what
[0:17] <Voop> im on a pi zero... on 2g internet!
[0:17] <Berg> hay if you gona start a vendetta against me watching my dog I will invite the UN in to stop you
[0:18] <Berg> voop supper dooper
[0:18] <Voop> 4kbps baby! i can feel the wind blowing past me
[0:18] <Berg> oops voop sooper dooper !!!
[0:18] <Voop> extra fast, and using it to connect here has only costed me $3
[0:19] <Voop> £winning
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[0:19] <Voop> #*
[0:20] <mustapha_dkhissi> Voop: why 2g internet ?
[0:20] <Voop> the 2g modem was smaller and cheaper than the 3g
[0:21] <Berg> mustapha_dkhissi: what do you call cheap https://www.raspberrypistarterkits.com/
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[0:25] <mustapha_dkhissi> Voop: ah good !!
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[0:26] <k_j> the cm3 is near
[0:26] <mustapha_dkhissi> Berg: Thanks! but I have RPi 1 B, I have found this on amazon, is it good : https://www.amazon.fr/Kuman-Electronic-apprenant-Breadboard-Potentiometer/dp/B01IH0IKB0/ref=sr_1_187?ie=UTF8&qid=1471299465&sr=8-187&keywords=raspberry+pi+kit
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[0:27] <Berg> sure it has a booklet for projects
[0:28] <Berg> thats the one i was looking at in english https://www.raspberrypistarterkits.com/
[0:28] <Berg> its up to you how much to spend but i like that one
[0:30] <mustapha_dkhissi> Berg: I didn't understand
[0:30] <Berg> yes thatr one is ok mustapha_dkhissi
[0:31] <\o`> Berg, I have warn you
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[0:31] <\o`> I will be representing your dog in court
[0:31] <Berg> ha he has no money
[0:31] <\o`> pro bono!
[0:32] <Berg> no his name is wally
[0:32] <\o`> lol
[0:32] <mustapha_dkhissi> Berg: ok thanks !
[0:32] <mustapha_dkhissi> what's the first project I can do ?
[0:32] <Berg> read the project booklet
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[0:34] <mustapha_dkhissi> where ?
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[0:38] <Berg> when you get your kit that one you picked has a project booklet with it mustapha_dkhissi
[0:40] <mustapha_dkhissi> Ah ok! Thanks !! Berg
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[0:43] <otyugh> I'm using a olinuxino A20 aside of the last rpi
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[0:43] <otyugh> and I keep going back to it because it has this very little plus that it can play videos properly in mplayer/smplayer/VLC
[0:43] <otyugh> which rpi does not ;(
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[0:44] <otyugh> I tried a few solution to compile myself and all but don't get a clean thing (like fullscreen does not work on rpi)
[0:44] <otyugh> Could you confirm ?
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[0:44] <[Saint]> otyugh: you're not talking about MPEG video, by any chance, are you?
[0:44] <otyugh> any video
[0:45] <[Saint]> Then, no, I absolutely can not confirm.
[0:45] <otyugh> well
[0:45] <[Saint]> MPEG will be done in software if you haven't purchased the MPEG video codec.
[0:45] <[Saint]> That makes a MASSIVE difference.
[0:45] <otyugh> I mean, rpi just does not handle acceleration on mplayer and when it does, it is not properly
[0:45] <otyugh> ho
[0:46] <otyugh> " if you haven't purchased the MPEG video codec"
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[0:46] <otyugh> I never buyed this
[0:46] <otyugh> neither on the olinuxino distrubted image.
[0:46] <[Saint]> Well, that explains all the MPEG containers running like crap.
[0:47] <[Saint]> other boards may or may not ship with a license to decode MPEG.
[0:47] <Berg> dosent that codec need depend on what format video your use?
[0:47] <[Saint]> Raspi doesn't.
[0:47] <[Saint]> Never has.
[0:47] <[Saint]> Berg: yes, which is why I very explicitly stated MPEG containers.
[0:47] <otyugh> I guessed it was more about HW decoding than any other stuff
[0:47] <[Saint]> it is.
[0:48] <otyugh> well so, it isn't the problem :(
[0:48] <otyugh> omxplayer is great, but the fact it overlap every other graphics, even in omxplayergui is just too uncool :(
[0:49] <otyugh> I don't know why a so popular board does not have anything
[0:49] <[Saint]> because it cost you $#% USD, that's why.
[0:49] <otyugh> while a little unknown one using the same processor/gui do the job
[0:49] <[Saint]> $35, rather
[0:49] <otyugh> it cost the same
[0:49] <otyugh> the olinuxino I mean
[0:49] <Berg> kodi
[0:49] <otyugh> Yeah it's not a proper desktop computer
[0:50] <otyugh> well
[0:50] <[Saint]> Kodi's still going to choke on MPEG without the license.
[0:50] <otyugh> exact.
[0:50] <otyugh> thought I think MPEG is not the issue there
[0:50] <Berg> get other format vids
[0:50] <otyugh> yeah I don't use this format anyway x)
[0:51] <Berg> then you dont need that codec
[0:51] <[Saint]> You never play DVD rips, like...ever?
[0:51] <otyugh> Nah, the problem is mplayer/vlc not using hw acceleration for videos in rpi
[0:52] <Berg> well i never have issue with the omxplayer always on top cause when im watching a vid that all i do other wise the pi is too slow
[0:52] <otyugh> ~magnets & video conversion pawa.
[0:52] <otyugh> Berg, I don't use the RPi this way. Most apps use only 1 processor so multitask does not mean slow down another task
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[0:52] <[Saint]> yeah, why would you /not/ want to run video fullscreen?
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[0:53] <otyugh> because I guess, I do listen to conferences when I only see the images time to time when a graphic or something has to be seen
[0:54] <otyugh> (and sometimes I just go check for mails or IRC)
[0:54] <Berg> IRC is evil p[lace
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[0:57] <[Saint]> Berg raises a good point with Kodi.
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[0:57] <otyugh> will it allow me to do something else while using kodi ?
[0:57] <otyugh> I thought it was only a frontend to omxplayer
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[0:57] <otyugh> (well, in the rpi case only)
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[0:58] <[Saint]> yes, it is, but we can only really fix one of your issues.
[0:59] <[Saint]> poor playback, or multitasking, pick which one you want to fix, basically.
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[1:14] <izzyi2d2> no one?
[1:14] <izzyi2d2> anyone lol?
[1:16] <\o`> izzyi2d2, oh baby I love you so
[1:16] <\o`> I need you now!
[1:16] <\o`> And... I want you back
[1:17] <kerio> what is love
[1:17] <kerio> baby don't hurt me
[1:17] <kerio> don't hurt me
[1:17] <kerio> no more
[1:17] <\o`> lol
[1:18] <kerio> hold on why do i need to pay money for mpeg
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[1:19] <Berg> you dont need to pay just ignore the format
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[1:29] <[Saint]> kerio: because RPF opted to offset this cost to the user IFF they desired to do so instead of licensing in en masse (which would increase the per-unit cost of each board).
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[1:30] <kerio> [Saint]: no like
[1:30] <kerio> why isn't it free
[1:30] <[Saint]> seriously?
[1:30] <kerio> ffmpeg does it for free :3
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[1:30] <[Saint]> in software, sure.
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[1:31] <Stary2001> kerio: Patents. And stuff.
[1:31] <[Saint]> methinks you're missing the point.
[1:31] <kerio> why would a slight hardware acceleration add licensing issues?
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[1:31] <[Saint]> _slight_?
[1:31] <[Saint]> lol
[1:31] <kerio> either it's patented anyway, and thus ffmpeg is infringing on stuff
[1:31] <Stary2001> http://www.mpegla.com/main/default.aspx is why
[1:31] <kerio> or it's not
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[1:32] <[Saint]> I'm really struggling how to convey to you the point you're missing so I'll just let you go on living life and not bother.
[1:32] <Stary2001> https://www.ffmpeg.org/legal.html
[1:33] <Stary2001> "What we do know is that various standards FFmpeg supports contain vague hints that any conforming implementation might be subject to some patent rights in some jurisdictions, examples for such statements are: "
[1:33] <Stary2001> hehehehehe
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[1:33] <Stary2001> tl;dr if you use ffmpeg in your commercial product, mpeg-la will probably come knocking
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[1:34] <[Saint]> people get stuck too heavily in this "b...bu...but...free software! free!" mindset.
[1:35] <[Saint]> licensing never occurs to end users.
[1:36] <kerio> yes because 99.99999% of the value of mpeg is not the fact that everyone and their mom can play their formats because of VLC or whatever runs their chinese media player
[1:37] <[Saint]> it only does so because those vendors give precisely zero craps about licensing.
[1:37] <kerio> indeed
[1:37] <[Saint]> which is a shameless policy that needs to be aborted.
[1:37] <kerio> if everyone suddenly started caring about mpeg licensing, they'd just switch to a patentless codec
[1:37] <kerio> and mpeg's value would vanish
[1:37] <[Saint]> MPEG isn't going anywhere any time soon.
[1:38] <kerio> yes
[1:38] <BurtyB> or realise people they like to eat just as much as everyone else and pay up
[1:38] <[Saint]> as much as I would like that to happen, it won't.
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[1:46] <\o`> kerio, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK2siEQsADk
[1:47] <\o`> O.O
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[2:21] <Berg> dont feed the lions
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[2:26] <sir_galahad_ad> so a man walks in to a bar with a giraffe...
[2:27] <Berg> why dint the giraffe duck?
[2:27] <sir_galahad_ad> because he was a little more on
[2:28] <Berg> on what?
[2:29] <sir_galahad_ad> the other side of the road! hahahahaha!
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[2:30] <[Saint]> o_o
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[2:31] <sir_galahad_ad> a big moron and little moron are on a bridge the big moron falls off why didn't the other one?
[2:31] <IT_Sean> sir_galahad_ad, these aren't funny.
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[2:33] <sir_galahad_ad> i didn't get to finish the one about the giraffe
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[2:34] <IT_Sean> Good.
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[2:35] <sir_galahad_ad> tough crowd
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[2:36] <Berg> \hahahaha I laughing at your unfunnyness
[2:37] <Berg> oops sorry
[2:37] * IT_Sean thumps Berg
[2:37] <Berg> :)
[2:37] * IT_Sean sees it getting dark outside, gets ready to head home
[2:38] <Berg> I have 100 dollar gift card with jaycar and i have no idea what to buy i hate making dissensions
[2:38] <sir_galahad_ad> i'm here all week! try the veal
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[2:39] <Berg> well it is 10.30 am here and the birds are singingt and the bees are ignoring them
[2:40] <IT_Sean> It's 8:40 PM here
[2:40] <IT_Sean> So, another 20 minutes and I can leave the office
[2:41] <Berg> thats a long day what time you start?
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[2:41] <Berg> does your office have a function?
[2:41] <IT_Sean> Berg, Noon.
[2:41] <Berg> is there a tea lady
[2:41] <Berg> ooo thats not long then
[2:42] <IT_Sean> There is a hot water machine. I supply my own tea.
[2:42] <sir_galahad_ad> rieman zeta
[2:42] <IT_Sean> There is coffee, but, I don't drink coffee.
[2:43] <IT_Sean> And it's not a bad schedule. Gives me the entire morning to myself.
[2:43] <Berg> hmm
[2:43] <IT_Sean> I usually get up around 8. Get my morning work out in. SHower. Putz around on the internet a bit. Then head in to the office around noonish, and grab some breffast. Lunch/Dinner at 4 or so. And i'm home by 9:!5.
[2:43] <Berg> like afternoon shift sorta
[2:44] <IT_Sean> sorta kinda
[2:44] <Berg> whats the offices function?
[2:44] <IT_Sean> Customer facing technical support & training
[2:45] <Berg> sounds like *NOT* fun
[2:45] <IT_Sean> I handle the western US, hence my hours.
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[2:45] <IT_Sean> It's actually pretty awesome. The products we support are pretty hardcore, so, we get few idiot calls, and It's a great team environment.
[2:45] <Berg> :)
[2:46] <Berg> they told me when i was young if i ever desired to be a teacher forget it
[2:46] <Berg> :)
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[2:47] <IT_Sean> Oh, i don't handle the training. THat's another team. My job is just to handle actual confirmed technical faults.
[2:47] <Berg> I had an apprenticed ones ..... he died ...lack of info killed him
[2:47] <IT_Sean> I step in when crap is actually broken.
[2:47] <IT_Sean> and fix it.
[2:47] <Berg> well sounds ok then
[2:47] <IT_Sean> It's good.
[2:48] <IT_Sean> And i have a really short commute.
[2:48] <IT_Sean> Typically about a ten minute drive.
[2:48] <Berg> why not work from home?
[2:48] <Berg> I do
[2:48] <Berg> <---is in his office right now
[2:48] <Berg> i dont have a job
[2:48] <Berg> but thats ok
[2:49] <IT_Sean> It's a collaborative team environment. I can work from hoem if i HAVE to, but, we kinda discourage doing it regularly.
[2:49] <IT_Sean> Besides, I like to maintain work / life seperation.
[2:49] <IT_Sean> working from home is not conducive to my mental health
[2:49] <Berg> nice to talk to folks too i spose
[2:49] <IT_Sean> Ja
[2:49] <Berg> i dont have mental health
[2:49] <Berg> :)
[2:49] <IT_Sean> I can walk across the office and say "Hey bruv, you seen this errah before?"
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[2:50] <Berg> that would be helpfull for bug fixing
[2:50] <IT_Sean> Ja.
[2:50] <Berg> i walk out to my shed kick the dog and get depressed cause im the only one there
[2:51] <IT_Sean> (O_o)
[2:51] <Berg> so sad
[2:51] <Berg> its ok
[2:51] <Berg> :)
[2:51] <Berg> I actualy have to clean my shed its worserere then my kids bedrooms
[2:52] <IT_Sean> Righto. Im off
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[2:52] <IT_Sean> My day is ending
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[2:52] <Berg> gooodoo
[2:52] <Berg> later gatort
[2:52] <Berg> I thought he never leave
[2:52] <Berg> la la las
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[3:11] <Dr_willis> I always get this backwards - If you Have black borders at the edges of your monitor, you want to ENABLE overscan, or disable overscan?
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[3:41] <ghaberek> disable it
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[3:44] <ozzzy> 50:50
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[3:49] <zumba_addict> good evening everyone
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[3:53] <leachim6> hello zumba_addict
[3:54] <zumba_addict> hey leachim6
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[4:00] <stiv> is there a new IRC rule that says people must leave immediately after asking a question?
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[4:00] <martin290> hey everyone
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[4:01] <martin290> has anyone tried windows iot?
[4:01] <mlelstv> stiv, that is generation-140
[4:01] <mlelstv> attention span of up to 140 characters
[4:02] <martin290> generally speaking, what back-end web language is preferred to use on the pi? php, nodejs, python?
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[4:12] <leachim6> it's really personal, there's no "generally" when it comes to that
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[4:19] <stiv> mlelstv, ah, i see!
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[4:22] <IanTLopp> anyone remember the old xjack ethernet connectors? I'm trying to find a supplier, rather than buying old PCMCIA cards and butchering them, so I can slim down my PI 3's
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[4:22] <leachim6> the kind that used to pop out with a spring-loaded mechanism?
[4:23] <IanTLopp> leachim6: precisely
[4:23] <IanTLopp> https://www.google.com/search?q=xjack+ethernet+adapter&espv=2&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiX6s2h7sTOAhVX9GMKHf4wBlsQ_AUICigD&biw=1280&bih=578#imgrc=HCmOSJpO8oL7rM%3A in case anyone's interested in seeing what I mean.
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[4:24] <IanTLopp> I'm ripping off the four USB ports, then lining them up, rather than the 2 x 2 grid, it will be 1 x 4
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[4:24] <leachim6> why not just use a usb ethernet adapter, you're going through USB anyway
[4:24] <IanTLopp> because that's bulk.. I'm trying to reduce bulk as much as possible.
[4:24] <leachim6> although I remember seeing one of those xjack ports on my dad's toshiba satellite in 1999 and thinking it was the coolest thing
[4:24] <leachim6> still do
[4:25] <IanTLopp> leachim6: s'why I want to use that for the ethernet port... esp. since it likely won't be used much at all.
[4:25] <CoJaBo> I vaguely remember those.. pretty sure they aren't manufacturered anymore tho
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[4:25] <IanTLopp> I want it there in the off chance I need it, but it'll be tucked away when not in use
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[4:25] <CoJaBo> scavenging them from old cards probably is your best bet
[4:25] <IanTLopp> CoJaBo: hmm... might end up having to prototype a new design and produce an open source version for PI upgrades.
[4:25] <leachim6> I'd buy that.
[4:26] <IanTLopp> CoJaBo: I'm hoping to get them sub $1 each, whereas old cards are an order of magnitude more expensive, at least.
[4:26] <IanTLopp> $12+
[4:26] <IanTLopp> plus the extra work.
[4:26] <IanTLopp> I'm already looking at prototyping the smallest possible audio shield for the Zero.
[4:26] <CoJaBo> Doesn't seem like a huge market for them tho
[4:26] <IanTLopp> clarification: the smallest for me.
[4:27] <IanTLopp> CoJaBo, the market is in what I intend to do with them.
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[4:27] <IanTLopp> I doubt I'll be able to monetize my idea, but maybe I'll get enough buyers to make it worth my while.
[4:27] <CoJaBo> Wifi killed ethernet for mobile devices, which was the only place a compact connector would've made sense
[4:27] <IanTLopp> if not, fun project.
[4:27] <IanTLopp> but wifi is too slow for massive data transfer.
[4:28] <IanTLopp> I *could* always just copy to/from flash drives, but I'd rather have it copy directly over through network.
[4:28] <CoJaBo> You could 3D-print the connector pretty cheaply, but you'd still need to wire it somehow
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[4:29] <IanTLopp> CoJaBo: that's what I'm looking at having to do if I can't find a supplier of the connector.
[4:29] <IanTLopp> also, while I've got people here: anyone with a Pi Zero 1.2 that wants to trade for a Pi Zero 1.3?
[4:29] <CoJaBo> I'm almost certain they went out of business
[4:29] <IanTLopp> I can't find anymore 1.2's
[4:29] <CoJaBo> Again, wifi killed the idea :P
[4:29] <IanTLopp> pbblt.
[4:29] <CoJaBo> what's 1.2 vs. 1.3?
[4:30] <IanTLopp> the entire difference is the addition of the camera adapter port.
[4:30] <CoJaBo> ..huh, I didn't even notice that on mine
[4:30] <IanTLopp> it adds about a milimeter of length to the zero, and I need at least one more 1.2 that doesn't have the extra length... I'm working under VERY tight constraints.'
[4:30] <IanTLopp> do you have a 1.2 or 1.3?
[4:30] <CoJaBo> IanTLopp: You can remove the retaining clip from the connector
[4:31] <CoJaBo> I've done that plenty of times, albeit unintentionally
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[4:31] <IanTLopp> eh... still more bulk - my alternative is to desolder the unit but that's going to come at a LOT of work to do it cleanly.
[4:31] <IanTLopp> HAH
[4:31] <IanTLopp> I know that feeling... I've removed plenty of stuff unintentionally!
[4:31] <CoJaBo> heh, yeh, it's wayyy too close to other components to use a heat pencil.. thing
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[4:32] <IanTLopp> there's ways of doing it... I can use a standard iron, but I have to wick it extremely fast - and likely have to use a heatsink while I do it... I've done desoldering jobs on tiny stuff, but it's a PITA
[4:32] <CoJaBo> I still can't get over how tiny the 0 is
[4:32] <IanTLopp> probably the easiest way is to xacto it off, then desolder it while using really small tweezers.
[4:33] <IanTLopp> I know, I love it... I'm making 2 VMU consoles
[4:33] <IanTLopp> just need to find that damned screen
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[4:33] <grandpa> vmu?
[4:33] <CoJaBo> vmu?
[4:33] <grandpa> jinx
[4:34] <CoJaBo> Is there any connector for the pi0 GPIO yet?
[4:34] <grandpa> ;p
[4:34] <CoJaBo> that seems like something someone needs to make
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[4:34] <IanTLopp> Dreamcast VMU
[4:34] <grandpa> ...oh
[4:34] <IanTLopp> CoJaBo, I *think* so...
[4:35] <IanTLopp> grandpa, basically, going to change out the screen, and all the internals with a PI zero, and everything else I need to make a fully functional 16-bit emulator in a standard Dreamcast VMU :)
[4:35] <IanTLopp> just gotta figure out what I want to do with that top adapter.
[4:35] <DaQatz> PIzero is too big
[4:35] <IanTLopp> @#$% they want $15 for a pi zero online.
[4:35] <DaQatz> It sticks out
[4:35] <IanTLopp> DaQatz, too big for what?
[4:35] <DaQatz> Fit in a Dreamcast VMU
[4:36] <IanTLopp> no, it doesn't... I have to do a bit of fine dremel work inside a VMU, but it does physically fit within the confines of the outer shell.
[4:36] <IanTLopp> I've already got a 1.2 and a VMU to frankenstein for this project.
[4:36] <IanTLopp> quick question - aside from raspbian, libreelec, and recalbox - what other OS should I download for fun projects on the PIs?
[4:37] <IanTLopp> damn people want WAY too much for the Pi Zero on ebay
[4:38] <IanTLopp> anyone know if it's possible to buy the Pi Zero in bulk for production projects?
[4:38] <IanTLopp> like if I want to buy 500 of them, would that be possible?
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[4:40] <DaQatz> IanTLopp, Where do you live? Adafruit and I think pihut have zeros
[4:40] <IanTLopp> DaQatz, I live in the U.S. but unfortunately Adafruit is limit 1 per customer... haven't checked pihut yet.
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[4:41] <DaQatz> PIhut is for UK
[4:41] <IanTLopp> ahh, okay
[4:41] <pksato> IanTLopp: contact farnel or RS
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[4:41] <IanTLopp> pksato: who're there?
[4:41] <IanTLopp> they, rather?
[4:41] <DaQatz> Raid a microcenter
[4:41] <binaryhermit> I think farnell and rs have nothing to do with the pi0
[4:41] <IanTLopp> DaQatz: that's how I have the 4 I have now (of the 1.3)... friend gave me the 1.2
[4:42] <CoJaBo> Microcenter FTW. I just wish it wasn't 2 hours from me <_<
[4:42] <DaQatz> Closest one to me is two states away
[4:42] <binaryhermit> the pi0 is manufactured by the raspberry pi foundation, I believe
[4:42] <pksato> binaryhermit: no.
[4:42] <IanTLopp> DaQatz: same for me... I was in Atlanta Georgia and a friend visited me and took me to Frys and MicroCenter
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[4:43] <DaQatz> Just how many do you need? making a cluster?
[4:43] <pksato> Farnell and RS are autorized to manufacture RPis.
[4:43] <IanTLopp> DaQatz: nope... I'm considering making a Pi Zero 16-bit portable for super cheap and possibly sell them.
[4:44] <DaQatz> Ah
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[4:44] <IanTLopp> pksato: I can't find either website (well Farnell looks like one of those sites when you type in the wrong address, and it *looks* like it's trying to sell you something)
[4:45] <IanTLopp> my 2 biggest hurdles is finding a supplier of the screen I need, and finding a supplier of the Zero that can sell them in bulk.
[4:45] <IanTLopp> other option is to have them made for me specifically...
[4:45] <IanTLopp> haven't gone through that yet, so dunno.
[4:45] <pksato> http://www.farnell.com/
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[4:45] <pksato> http://www.rs-components.com/index.html
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[4:46] <DaQatz> I'm thinking of putting the pi0 I have into keyboard, so I can use it like an old style computer
[4:46] <IanTLopp> farnell doesn't list the zero in their products
[4:46] <IanTLopp> DaQatz: you know, that's a not half bad idea..
[4:47] <DaQatz> I'm looking for bulky ps/2 keyboards for the project
[4:47] <DaQatz> ps/2 is easy to hook to the gpio
[4:47] <DaQatz> Or usb's that the ps/2 adapters work with
[4:48] <DaQatz> Since you can use them the same way on the gpio
[4:48] <IanTLopp> IBM Model M
[4:48] <IanTLopp> best keyboard ever made
[4:48] <DaQatz> hard to get
[4:48] <DaQatz> Used to have one
[4:49] <DaQatz> Nice mech switch keys
[4:49] <IanTLopp> hmm... never had a problem finding them myself... I've got 4 sitting around.
[4:49] <IanTLopp> you could always go with daskeyboards - make sure you do NOT get the silent, because those use the stupid cherry mx switches...ULTIMATE HATE
[4:50] <leachim6> I'm typing on a DAS right now
[4:50] <leachim6> Blue Switches 4 lyfe
[4:50] <IanTLopp> makes me want to run a pi zero with qemu, get win 3.1 running on it, and have that built into a Model M that's been retooled to look steam punk...
[4:51] <IanTLopp> eh... not famliar with the blue switches... but I LOATHE the Cherry MX's... I much prefer the mechanical buckling spring
[4:51] <IanTLopp> I've got 1 keyboard that's over 20 years old and still types today as good as it did when it was first made...
[4:51] <IanTLopp> THAT is what old people mean when they say "they don't make'em like they used to"
[4:51] <leachim6> IanTLopp: Cherry makes like 10 different kinds of switches
[4:52] <leachim6> IanTLopp: the cherry blues are extra clicky whereas the browns are quite silent
[4:52] <leachim6> you probably used the browns
[4:52] <IanTLopp> leachim6: the cherry mx that everyone seems to love... I despise them with a purple passion.
[4:52] <leachim6> you're being generic, which cherry mx's do you hate?
[4:52] <leachim6> have you used clear,brown,blue,green,red Cherry MX switches?
[4:53] <IanTLopp> it's not just the silence of them..., they feel "mechanical" about as much as a 1 piston engine feels like a locomotive
[4:53] <IanTLopp> I *believe* they were the red cherry mx's used in a Razer keyboard.
[4:53] <IanTLopp> but I was just at a Fry's a couple days ago, and messed around with some other mechanical keyboards, and they all felt really plastic... I much prefer the buckling spring tech.
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[4:54] <IanTLopp> why they don't make that anymore is anyone's guess...
[4:54] <CoJaBo> because few people care
[4:54] <CoJaBo> Everyone's used to touchscreens and sucky laptop keyboards
[4:54] <IanTLopp> well color me cared...
[4:54] <IanTLopp> YICK.
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[5:02] <IanTLopp> wish I could find either an M15 for less than the price of my immortal soul
[5:02] <ozzzy> the only touchscreen I've ever used is the Nexus 7
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[5:04] <IanTLopp> still have a nexus 7... the battery kept getting dislodged inside, so I had to take it apart and reseat it properly - worked beautifully, except now it doesn't charge (while the battery was charged, it didn't disconnect at all)
[5:04] <ozzzy> yeah... I still use my Nexus 7
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[5:06] <IanTLopp> need to look at it under close scrutiny, see what I did in my sleepdrunk haze.
[5:06] <IanTLopp> the 7 was a nice device until I screwed it up
[5:06] <ozzzy> betcha you could find one cheap
[5:06] <IanTLopp> now I've got an 8.9" fire hdx
[5:06] <IanTLopp> ozzzy: yeah, but mine is free if I can fix it..
[5:07] <ozzzy> struth
[5:08] <IanTLopp> HOLY @#$%ING CRAP!!
[5:08] <IanTLopp> http://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-Model-M-122-key-buckling-spring-keyboards-no-keys-PICK-ONE-/222218730927?hash=item33bd44bdaf:g:phYAAOSwtJZXXHma
[5:09] <IanTLopp> *shakes uncontrollably* SOOOO CHEAP!!!!
[5:09] <IanTLopp> buying one right now
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[5:11] <IanTLopp> as I'm going to be doing custom keys for it - injected molded, this is the best little find in a LONG damn time.
[5:11] <IanTLopp> and I just bought the last one... damn, the auction said 7... I was hoping to get them all :(
[5:11] <IanTLopp> just onel
[5:11] <IanTLopp> one, rather.
[5:13] <IanTLopp> so.... what OS does everyone run in their PI?
[5:15] <JK-47> raspbian
[5:15] <methuzla> raspbian
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[5:17] <IanTLopp> trying to find other OSes and reasons to use them.
[5:17] <IanTLopp> :-]\
[5:17] <IanTLopp> grr... :-\
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[5:20] <IanTLopp> Oh, man this is beautiful http://www.datamancer.com/cart/datamancer-telegraph-mouse-p-294.html
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[6:54] <grandpa> whee
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[7:26] <Berg> http://gallery.anotherpower.com/main.php/d/28421-2/SDC10369.JPG
[7:26] <Berg> mine
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[7:28] <IanTLopp> Do the Pi's support analog video through the HDMI port? I ask this because -> https://www.adafruit.com/products/1151 I can't tell if that product is an active signal converter, or if it's just a straight pin through of the necessary pins to allow for vga to be transmitted through HDMI
[7:29] <NedScott> IanTLopp: that's an active signal converter, but don't buy it from ada
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[7:29] <NedScott> you can get the exact same one from other places for a lot cheaper
[7:29] <NedScott> I got mine for about $8 USD
[7:29] <NedScott> they even make really compact ones
[7:29] <IanTLopp> ahh, okay. well I don't want an active signal converter...
[7:30] <IanTLopp> is it possible to get VGA out on a pi zero?
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[7:30] <NedScott> if you solder the GPIO pins on
[7:30] <IanTLopp> ahh good...
[7:30] <IanTLopp> so I've got other options than SPI and HDMI.
[7:31] <NedScott> https://www.pi-supply.com/product/gert-vga-666-hardware-vga-raspberry-pi/
[7:31] <NedScott> you can also get it pre-assembled at some places
[7:31] <NedScott> http://www.dx.com/p/raspberry-pi-b-vga-shield-v2-0-blue-369600#.V7KlRGNNRFI
[7:31] <NedScott> I bought that one just to try it out. Seems to work.
[7:32] <NedScott> should work on any Pi with the 40 pin GPIO connector
[7:32] <NedScott> oh nice, they have a more compact one: http://www.dx.com/p/eicoosi-vga-666-adapter-board-for-raspberry-pi-3b-2b-b-a-442477#.V7KleWNNRFI
[7:33] <IanTLopp> don't need an adapter board - other than maybe to see the pinout traces.
[7:33] <NedScott> yeah, all the instructions to make one should be online
[7:33] <IanTLopp> I won't be mounting a VGA port on it - just using it to connect to a display that runs VGA...
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[7:40] <IanTLopp> why do you not suggest buying from adafruit, out of curiosity? (other than that particular device being more expensive)
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[8:01] <xamindar> I'm curious too, why do people suggest not to buy from adafruit?
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[8:01] <xamindar> only thing I can think of is that ladyada lady seems like somewhat of a B
[8:01] <IanTLopp> only real concern I've had from people is the cost of shipping on orders less than $200
[8:01] <grandpa> i was trying to buy maybe 10 stickers and the shipping was $12
[8:02] <grandpa> i dont need stickers quite that bad
[8:02] <xamindar> NedScott: what's wrong with ada?
[8:03] <xamindar> looks like it is just that they are overpriced
[8:03] <grandpa> though if they're located in NY i could see why they might price things like that
[8:03] <IanTLopp> something to consider w/re: shipping. Most big companies have been cutting the costs of shipping&handling to compete with each other, while maintaining artificially higher costs for parts. So you can buy a bunch of stuff from, say, cdw.org and have it all shipped free, but you paid more for the parts than if you'd paid for shipping. Smaller companies/companies that deal with much tighter profit margins, have to maintain
[8:03] <IanTLopp> profitability, so they tend to charge for shipping AND handling - the time and cost it takes to box up your items and send them.
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[8:04] <grandpa> also ny is expensive
[8:04] <xamindar> IanTLopp: I have never experienced any of what you just said at amazon
[8:05] <IanTLopp> as a truck driver, I *HATE* that.
[8:05] <NedScott> xamindar: original Adafruit products are great
[8:05] <xamindar> items are almost always cheaper than the alternative and shipping is still free
[8:05] <NedScott> I just wouldn't buy more common/generic things from them
[8:06] <NedScott> like not buying the Apple or HP branded cable for something
[8:06] <IanTLopp> xamindar: amazon is a special case - they have automated much of the shipping & handling, reducing the costs as much as is feasible for a big organization, PLUS, they charge a yearly fee for "free 2 day shipping" which benefits people who buy a lot, but is paid for by those who pay for the service, but barely use it.
[8:06] <NedScott> I'm a huge fan of Adafruit's Kippah LCD board for the Pi
[8:07] <IanTLopp> look into Amazon processes - it's an interesting design in organization. It's far simpler and more organized than people can manage it, but it makes no damn sense at all to humans.
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[8:07] <IanTLopp> which one is that NedScott?
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[8:07] <NedScott> it's a DPI GPIO LCD driver
[8:07] <NedScott> so it has GPU acceleration
[8:07] <NedScott> works with 5 or 7 inch screens
[8:08] <IanTLopp> xamindar: another thing to consider is that the products you buy from Amazon are produced in such bulk that there are greater margins of profit to be had by those. Small companies, and companies that deal with short production runs that only charge, say $5 for a PI Zero, tend to have to make sure they don't end up losing money on shipping.
[8:08] <NedScott> slightly more compact than using the HDMI versions on eBay
[8:08] <NedScott> actually, it's fairly easy these days for a little company to tap into amazon distribution
[8:08] <xamindar> IanTLopp: I see small companies selling on amazon all the time
[8:08] <NedScott> there's some fees, of course, but it seems fair
[8:09] <xamindar> but i doo see your point
[8:09] <IanTLopp> NedScott: "so it has GPU acceleration" I'm VERY worried about that in getting a display. So far, I've read about issues with using SPI displays, but I can find no clear definition of which displays will have GPU acceleration or not.
[8:09] <grandpa> does the official 7" display have accelleration
[8:10] <grandpa> =/
[8:10] <NedScott> so far I've only seen this "Kippah" and a recent one that use GPIO and are DPI
[8:10] <IanTLopp> xamindar: again - if they're shipping a product, such as a graphics card, that product has larger profit margins. Also, the smaller companies will charge more for shipping to artificially deflate the price of the product. You see Item A for $75 on amazon, but this independent seller has it for $65, but then you realize their shipping is $15
[8:10] <NedScott> http://m.aliexpress.com/item/32672157641.html?productId=32672157641&productSubject=U-Geek-Raspberry-Pi-HD-HighSpeed-LCD-Module-3-5-inch-800-480-TFT-Screen-3&tracelog=wwwdetail2mobilesitedetail
[8:11] <NedScott> that is apparently GPU accelerated
[8:11] <IanTLopp> I *REALLY* need to find 2 types of displays - both of which need GPU acceleration. 1 at 1.8" and running 320x240 res, and a 5" running 640x480 res
[8:12] <IanTLopp> now, I think it only doesn't have GPU acceleration based on the controller board - basically, how it connects to the PI, and if it goes through SPI (whatever that actually means, I don't know) it won't.
[8:12] <NedScott> yeah
[8:12] <NedScott> SPI uses the CPU to copy the framebuffer, or something like that
[8:13] <IanTLopp> so, what am I looking for to make sure it will have GPU acceleration.
[8:13] <IanTLopp> I don't even know how to determine if it uses SPI unless it blatantly says that on the product description (like the 1.8" adafruit display)
[8:13] <grandpa> :|
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[8:16] <DaQatz> NedScott, Nice a VGA 3.5
[8:16] <NedScott> some guy posts some YouTube videos with it
[8:17] <NedScott> 800x480 at 3.5 inches looks great
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[8:19] <IanTLopp> can't use 800x480
[8:20] <IanTLopp> need 640x480
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[8:33] <IanTLopp> any love for the Steam controller on the raspberry pi?
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[8:35] <binaryhermit> IanTLopp: as far as I can tell, it might work without any modifications? https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTU0NDI
[8:38] * binaryhermit would try it but he doesn't have one
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[8:39] <IanTLopp> BLAST!! just started up the PI 3 and got an error :(
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[8:40] <IanTLopp> Error resizing existing FAT partition Error: Can't have the end before the start! (start sector=2547712 length =-257790)
[8:40] <IanTLopp> not sure what that means at all.
[8:41] <GreaseMonkey> simple, you can't have the end of a FAT partition before the start of it
[8:41] <IanTLopp> GreaseMonkey: *not sure if joking with me or serious*
[8:41] <GreaseMonkey> IanTLopp: was it working fine before?
[8:41] <IanTLopp> nope... first time I've had a Pi and I was JUST trying to run Noobs
[8:42] <GreaseMonkey> ah alright, how big's the SD card?
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[8:42] <IanTLopp> so I formatted the card with windows formatter (tried to run the SD Formatter from the SD foundation - but it doesn't recognize my SD card reader for some stupid reason)
[8:42] <IanTLopp> 16GB
[8:43] <GreaseMonkey> my solution would be to find a linux livecd and use that to write the SD card but that's just me, although it depends on the SD card reader... what kind of reader is it, USB or builtin?
[8:43] <IanTLopp> builtin
[8:43] <GreaseMonkey> yecch
[8:44] <IanTLopp> win10 doesn't even see it as a USB device that can be ejected...
[8:44] <GreaseMonkey> at this stage you should probably just reformat it and try again
[8:45] <IanTLopp> err... it's formatted as fat32 - is that a problem (the tuts say format as FAT)
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[8:51] <binaryhermit> IanTLopp: that's some quality hardware
[8:52] * binaryhermit means the built-in sd reader
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[8:52] <IanTLopp> I imagine you're also being sarcastic binaryhermit?
[8:52] <binaryhermit> yep
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[8:53] * IanTLopp taptaps his sarcastometer, "yep, still workin'!"
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[8:56] <GreaseMonkey> fat32 is completely fine
[8:57] <GreaseMonkey> oddly enough i wasn't being sarcastic w/ the end before the start thing
[8:57] <GreaseMonkey> dammit he left
[8:57] <GreaseMonkey> i'm going to watch a bit of tv
[8:58] <sameee> I had a play with btrfs, it was okay
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[8:59] <GreaseMonkey> so yeah, fat32 is completely fine
[8:59] <GreaseMonkey> i'm going to be afk for a while
[8:59] <IanTLopp> restarting the comp has allowed SDFormatter to finally see the SD card
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[9:01] <sameee> 'did you try turning it off and then on again?'
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[9:01] <IanTLopp> yes, I did... it seemed to work...
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[9:02] <grandpa> :)))
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[10:22] <Berg> }<TROUT(o>
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[10:23] <binaryhermit> hey Berg
[10:23] <Berg> jello fellow
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[10:27] <Lonefish> I really miss the trout :(
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[10:29] <Berg> 5 yard penalty
[10:29] <Berg> back up
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[10:47] * Mead2 slaps Lonefish around a bit with a large trout
[10:47] <Mead2> there you go
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[10:48] <Lonefish> awwww
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[10:59] * Mead2 large trouts a binaryhermit around a bit with a slap
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[11:02] <binaryhermit> lol
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[11:55] <Anticom> Hi all. I'm running Ubuntu trustry (possibly Xenial Xerux in the near future) on my development machinie. Is there a raspberry pi cross compiler toolchain available somewhere in the official repos / a ppa?
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[12:51] <msev-> does anyone of you guys get it, how this omega2 thing can run linux if it has so small storage space?
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[12:54] <gordonDrogon> what's an omega2 thing?
[12:56] * gordonDrogon has looked.
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[13:06] <Drzacek> What is this weakling? 580mhz? 64mb ram? 16mb storage?!
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[13:07] <Drzacek> I don't like it, when they put a lot shiny pictures and diagrams with catchy phrases, but don't actually say lot about specification
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[13:07] <Drzacek> I would guess that the OS is stored somewhere else, probably on read-only memory, or otherwise closed location.
[13:08] <Drzacek> And is not actually that much cool, if you get all the needed extensions, it cost more/the same as RPi
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[13:12] <mlelstv> if you need the 'extensions' you probably don't start with it
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[13:12] <mlelstv> the same could be said about the rpi0
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[13:13] <Drzacek> well, rpi3 cost around 44 EURO and has all the needed things inside (beside SD card) - wifi, ethernet, usb ports, a lot of ram, IO ports
[13:13] <gordonDrogon> it's more than big enough to store Linux and have usable space.
[13:13] <gordonDrogon> I've seen routers with less...
[13:13] <nid0> except if i'm reading this kickstarter guff correctly, you have to buy at least the mini dock to be able to even power the thing
[13:14] <Drzacek> I stoped reading that after 2 minutes of scrolling
[13:14] <mlelstv> 16MB flash ?
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[13:14] <nid0> so your $5 computer is actually $20 just to turn it on unless you're buying it for a specialist integrated application
[13:16] <BurtyB> sounds quite a good spec vs what people can do with a router and dd-wrt - I'm sure it has many uses
[13:16] <mlelstv> if the 16MB is correct you need to add some mass storage to it
[13:17] <BurtyB> not really
[13:17] <BurtyB> it depends what you're doing with it
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[13:17] <mlelstv> you can barely store a compressed linux kernel there :)
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[13:18] <nid0> if its full of bloatware, correct. If you use a minimal kernel, there's plenty of room
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[13:29] <msev-> well it should be ok for some simple python scripts
[13:30] <msev-> but yeah i see that i'd seem to need a dock to be able to program it
[13:30] <msev-> that sux
[13:30] <msev-> 20 usd then, id rather buy a orangepi for that money :D
[13:30] <msev-> it really sux that pi zero's aren't readily available
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[13:31] <msev-> and that one can't buy at least a few at a time so its worthwhile regarding shipping
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[13:33] <mlelstv> I wonder where all the rpi0 are used
[13:35] <msev-> i'd do something iot with it lol
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[13:39] <kanso> what do you guys do with your rbpi's
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[13:41] <mlelstv> I'm using an rpi2 as my desktop
[13:42] <Armand> My Model B is going to be a wifi AP, if I can be bothered to get it working. :P
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[13:44] <GenteelBen> Armand is the Model B of Amarande.
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[13:45] <Armand> Better than being a low-grade Jimmy Savile like you, GenteelBen.
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[13:50] <GenteelBen> Armanda's too busy watching the male beach volleyball to realise his Model B is actually a wall clock PCB.
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[15:12] <Chunkyz> the difference between a fake sd card and a "proper" sd card is amazing!
[15:12] <Chunkyz> my fake evo+ kept crashing my pi, my sandisk ultra is flying that I got from thepihut :-D
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[15:39] <msev-> so this omega2 do you guys think if i wouldn't buy the programming expansion dock, could it be programmed with a cp2102 usb serial adapter lol? since for 5usd i'm still tempted because pi0's are unavailable
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[15:57] <pwillard> I can get in my car... drive a 10 miles and buy a Pi0 off the shelf at a local retailer.
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[16:00] <oq> pwillard: it is a bit absurd that after all this time they are still somewhat rare
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[16:01] <pwillard> I know.
[16:01] <oq> I don't know of any uk physical retailers that sell a pi0
[16:02] <pwillard> Its not like they don't know that it has a high demand
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[16:02] <IanTLopp> pwillard: awesome :) I was lucky a few days ago (well the only bit of luck I had then). I was stuck in Atlanta for a week instead of being at home, but a local friend came and picked me up and we hung out. He asked if I wanted to go to a local electronics shop, and I said sure, and they had RasPi's there (not the zero).. got excited, then realized no zeroes, so we found out there was another shop nearby that had them.
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[16:02] <IanTLopp> I now have 4 raspberry pi zeroes and one raspberry pi 3b
[16:02] <pwillard> Correct. Atlanta Microcenter's carry them.
[16:03] <IanTLopp> yep :)
[16:03] <Sadale> IanTLopp, I'm jealous
[16:03] <Sadale> such pi zero. much rare
[16:03] <IanTLopp> they had 182, so after I talked to the manager, he said he could "allow" me to buy 2.
[16:03] <IanTLopp> my friend also got 2, and I paid for them all, so he gave me those.
[16:03] <IanTLopp> now, with the older 1.2 that I already have, I have 5 total. but I'm wanting another one.
[16:03] <IanTLopp> need 6 in total for my project.
[16:04] <IanTLopp> one is a 1.2, and I want one more 1.2...
[16:04] <Drzacek> msev-, I still think you'll be better off with some other board, RPi, BananaPi, pine64 or something (pi0 is great, but since it doesn't have wifi/ethernet, you need a lot of "expensive" adapters to do some stuff)
[16:04] <IanTLopp> btw, anyone willing to trade their older 1.2 for one of my newer 1.3s?
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[16:05] <Drzacek> IanTLopp, what's the difference? Didn't know there were different versions
[16:05] <pwillard> Actually, the ones you buy from the retailer "off the shelf" are a kit. with Power supply and needed adapter cables.
[16:05] <oq> I'd recomend a c.h.i.p over a pi0 if that company actually managed to get their product out there, instead its shipping delay after shipping delay
[16:05] <pwillard> If the pi zero have a Version 3 that included Bluetooth/Wifi like the Pi3, it would be perfect
[16:05] <msev-> Drzacek, but none of the other boards hits the sub 10 usb price point i think :D
[16:06] <Drzacek> pwillard, We don't have such luxury in europe to just buy them in "local" shop
[16:06] <oq> Drzacek: the difference is the camera port
[16:06] <zproc> oq: yeah the products are out there, my PocketCHIP just arrived today (was still a pre-order tho)
[16:06] <pwillard> well, the ONLY shop thathas them is microcenter and there are very few of those in the USA
[16:06] <oq> I don't like the pocketchip, the keyboard looks awful
[16:06] <IanTLopp> the 1.3 has a camera connector for the pi camera
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[16:07] <IanTLopp> it also sticks out an additional millimeter
[16:07] <oq> zproc: you can't order a c.h.i.p today and expect it to get it within a month
[16:07] <oq> zproc: I ordered mine in june and its their current plan is to shit it in september..
[16:07] <oq> *ship
[16:07] <IanTLopp> pwillard: I'm still wondering how I can order them in quantity, like a retail store. like if I wanted to order 500, how would I go about doing that?
[16:08] <Drzacek> So I guess I have the older ones
[16:08] <IanTLopp> would you like to trade one Drzacek?
[16:08] <pwillard> Microcenter must have worked a sweet deal... they seem to have bought most of the V1's
[16:08] <mfa298> wow, I thought CHIP were hoping to get stuff out faster than that, although I wonder if the pre-order load has gone up since they started shipping all the pre-orders
[16:08] <Drzacek> But they were not sub 10$, I had to pay well over 10 EURO for one (inkl. shipping)
[16:09] <IanTLopp> Drzacek: OUCH
[16:09] <IanTLopp> I paid $5 for each of mine.
[16:09] <oq> IanTLopp: you can't because all the pi0's are being made in this one dinky little factory in wales instead of outsourcing it to farnell like the pi3's
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[16:09] <IanTLopp> oq: so basically I have to be a retail store... :(
[16:09] <Drzacek> yeah, the shiping cost wouldn't be a problem, if I could just buy 10 of them
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[16:10] <Drzacek> but no, you can only get 1. So I sadi "I already have two (and rpi3), so next time I buy rpi is when I can get them in bulks"
[16:10] <IanTLopp> is the pi zero an open source board? I mean, could *I* have them produced somewhere en masse?
[16:10] <mfa298> I thought the zeros are in the same factory as farnel/rs use for the other Pi's, the Pi3 was one of the reasons given for poor zero availability at the start of the year
[16:10] <Drzacek> IanTLopp, the problem is you won't get a hold on those broadcom chips
[16:11] <msev-> Drzacek, this Chip might be an option :)
[16:11] <mfa298> IanTLopp: none of the Pi hardware is opensource
[16:11] <Drzacek> mfa298, no, they make pi0 in some old small factory in UK to give their people work
[16:11] <IanTLopp> mfa298: i thought the Pi was an entirely open source product - s'why there's variations like the banana pi, orange pi, etc..
[16:12] <SpeedEvil> IanTLopp: those are not related
[16:12] <SpeedEvil> IanTLopp: they are purely using a similar name (as is quite legal)
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[16:12] <IanTLopp> SpeedEvil: huh... I must be misremembering then. hmmmm.
[16:12] <oq> IanTLopp: bananapi is just another single board computer made by a chinese company
[16:13] <oq> there's loads of them
[16:13] <oq> orangepi is another
[16:13] <IanTLopp> oq: somehow, I was under the impression that they made them by taking the original raspi and modifying it to suit their needs...
[16:13] <msev-> the orangepipc works like wonders for me
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[16:13] <msev-> amazing board for 15usd, but i haven't yet tried the gpio stuff, which might be a problem
[16:13] <msev-> :D
[16:15] <mfa298> IanTLopp: the circuit schematic for the original Pi was released, but no full schematics since then
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[16:15] <mfa298> but then the other boards generally use different chips as well so the Pi layout and schematic probably don't help them that much
[16:16] <oq> c.h.i.p claims to be open hardware
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[16:17] <mfa298> Drzacek: this would suggest Pi3 and zero are the same factory and sharing at least some resources https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=144165&p=951228#p951228
[16:17] <mfa298> to quote Eben: Raspberry PI Zero production is restarting in Wales next Monday after a hiatus to allow us to focus on Raspberry Pi 3
[16:18] <Drzacek> My boss has bananapi, says it is great
[16:19] <mfa298> I've got an original banana pi although done next to nothign as the support and documentation was near non existant when I got it.
[16:19] <Drzacek> IanTLopp, you can, but there are only 4 official pi0 resellers, there won't any other
[16:20] <Drzacek> mfa298, that's the difference between real RPi and all those clones - support
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[16:21] <mfa298> whilst I've not looked at all the other SBCs the only other one I've seen so far that comes close to support is the C.H.I.P.
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[16:21] <mfa298> and I'm not sure that's totally there yet.
[16:22] <Habbie> anybody else having trouble with 'apt update'?
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[16:22] <mfa298> but at least being totally open means the community can work on things as well as depending on some chinese company that doesn't care that much
[16:22] <leachim6> Habbie: you're gonna have to be more specific than that, what kind of trouble are you having?
[16:23] <Habbie> leachim6, on multiple attempts it either hangs longer than i have patience for, reports 'Hash Sum mismatch', or tells me "E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened."
[16:23] <Habbie> hmm it does work on my pi at home
[16:27] <Drzacek> Habbie, sources list corrupted?
[16:27] <Habbie> this is a pretty fresh install
[16:27] <leachim6> pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list and anything in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[16:27] <Habbie> but i'll check
[16:27] <Drzacek> Habbie, dumb question, do you have internet connection?
[16:27] <Habbie> hehe yes i do, it downloads a bunch before it complains
[16:28] <Drzacek> ok :D
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[16:29] <Habbie> i rebooted it; apt update works now. Not suggesting a relation but that's certainly the end of debugging this :)
[16:29] <Habbie> thanks folks
[16:30] <lastaid> i have a pi 3 with die official display and 1 hat that draws 50ma @ 5V. what happens if someone connects usb power to the usb hub?
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[16:31] <lastaid> the old pi powered itself. and i am not planning on doing that, i just want to know what happens and if it will break the pi
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[16:41] <Voop_> what would the possible uses for a pi with an optical drive be
[16:41] <Voop_> any good ones?
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[16:43] <Chillum> Voop_: burning cds for people who listen to cd players?
[16:43] <Chillum> I have not used an optical drive on any computer for many years
[16:43] <Voop_> i was thinking about converting a ps1 to a pi box
[16:43] <Voop_> and i could probably keep the optical drive intact
[16:43] <Voop_> but i cant think of a good use of it
[16:46] <Habbie> play ps1 games from it?
[16:46] <Voop_> would retropi play burned froms from a disk?
[16:46] <Voop_> roms*
[16:46] <Habbie> why not
[16:46] <Voop_> that would be pretty cool
[16:46] <Habbie> the real issue is hooking up the drive, i bet it's not usb internally
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[16:51] <Chillum> I used to play my old ps1 discs with an emulator
[16:51] <Chillum> it ran better than the ps1
[16:52] <Chillum> (less load time)
[16:52] <WadeWatts> hmm right
[16:52] <Chillum> road rash 3d, sooo fun
[16:52] <WadeWatts> turn pi into ps1
[16:52] <Chillum> pips1
[16:52] <WadeWatts> .oO(neat)
[16:53] <Voop_> i had road rash
[16:53] <Chillum> was it 3d?
[16:53] <Voop_> that was the one where you could hit people with chains and pipes right?
[16:53] <Chillum> ya
[16:53] <Chillum> you could go in any direction, as long as there was a road there
[16:53] <Chillum> I just did the jumps over and over
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[16:54] <swensson> Could I possible run c# code that I written on a Raspberry with debian on it somehow?
[16:55] <Bilby> mono should have a raspi build
[16:55] <swensson> ah thanks
[16:55] <WadeWatts> have you ever build the C# code?
[16:56] <WadeWatts> like in mono on desktop
[16:57] <swensson> no I have built everything in VS but im able to do the code in mono on my main box, so that's what I'll do tonight, then send it over to the RPI I'd guess =)
[16:57] <Bilby> I haven't
[16:57] <Bilby> switched to Python for basic work in Linux... tried to get mono running for ASP / web but gave up haha
[16:58] <swensson> Im thinking of switching to python aswell, since I changed to linux on my mainbox my c# knowledge dosn't really help me
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[16:59] <WadeWatts> ya python is more comfortable
[16:59] <WadeWatts> there are downsides as well ofc
[16:59] <Bilby> the main reason i learned C#/.net in the first place is winform apps
[16:59] <Bilby> and since those don't port... *shrug*
[17:00] <Bilby> I'm slowly wrappin my brain around Kivy... oy vey
[17:00] <WadeWatts> ah you want a cross platform GUI?
[17:00] <WadeWatts> or why winforms? its pretty old
[17:01] <Bilby> winforms / wpf, whatever the newer one is haha
[17:01] <WadeWatts> the latter ;)
[17:01] <Bilby> not really, i was writing an application for windows
[17:01] <WadeWatts> if you had .xaml definitions for the frontend it was wpf
[17:02] <Bilby> and accidentally learned C# in the process... and frankly Visual Studio is one heck of a nice development suite
[17:02] <WadeWatts> yep
[17:02] <WadeWatts> its the best there is
[17:02] * Bilby wonders how .NET CORE works in Linux
[17:03] <WadeWatts> but its very expensive
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[17:04] <Bilby> even the free version is pretty reasonable
[17:04] <Bilby> though you do lose most of the best features :(
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[17:05] <WadeWatts> namely the resharper
[17:06] <Bilby> resharper is a separate package i thought
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[17:15] <linuxthefish> hey, does the new jessie raspbian images with on the old raspberry pi B?
[17:16] <linuxthefish> using the jessie image it dosn't request an IP from dhcp, however the network lights flash
[17:18] <raspberrypifan> does anyone have a ddwrt or openwrt image working for the pi
[17:20] <MY123> Bilby: Mono uses the .NET Core CLR now
[17:21] <waveform> linuxthefish, works for me - dhcp and all
[17:23] <Bilby> ah interesting
[17:23] <waveform> (the network lights just indicate an ethernet link and activity - nothing to do with dhcp or anything like that)
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[17:24] <mfa298> linuxthefish: it should just work, I've used the feb/march image on an original pi and I don't think much has changed since then
[17:24] <methuzla> linuxthefish, should work with old b
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[17:25] <linuxthefish> thanks guys i'll try a different SD card, this one isn't behaving
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[17:26] <kooldawgstar> Hello
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[17:27] <kooldawgstar> Can someone help me out, I can't decide which sd card to get for the rasberry pi 3
[17:28] <kooldawgstar> I'm debating between these two:
[17:28] <kooldawgstar> https://www.amazon.com/Secure-Digital-16GB-Micro-adap/dp/B0037TTKO8/ref=sr_1_37?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1471359947&sr=1-37&keywords=micro+sd+card&refinements=p_85%3A2470955011%2Cp_n_feature_two_browse-bin%3A6518303011%2Cp_89%3ASanDisk%7CKingston
[17:28] <kooldawgstar> https://www.amazon.com/Android-ANDROID-MICROSD-16GB-SANDISK/dp/B004FRV5LW/ref=pd_sim_147_5?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=52A6DQP06P2020HP7ANR
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[17:29] <oq> kooldawgstar: they are both fullfilled by amazon so in theory they should be identical
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[17:29] <kooldawgstar> oq: Would you say one is better than the other?
[17:30] <oq> they are both sandisk 16gb...
[17:30] <oq> how could one be better?
[17:30] <oq> it's not like one is a sandisk ultra
[17:30] <kooldawgstar> whoops I sent the wrong link, let me get the other one
[17:31] <kooldawgstar> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DYQYLQQ/ref=twister_B00E5TQ3OY?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
[17:31] <IanTLopp> kooldawgstar: https://www.amazon.com/PNY-Performance-MicroSDHC-Memory-P-SDU16GU160G-GE/dp/B00W77C322/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1471361453&sr=8-1&keywords=pny+16gb+microsdhc this is the one I use... I have several and PNY cards have never let me down - are cheaper than Sandisk's bloated costs, and usually faster
[17:31] <oq> sandisk's bloated costs? wot
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[17:38] <lastaid> just got 2 sandisk extreme 16gb. those seem to be quite good
[17:38] <IanTLopp> oq: a dollar extra and it's speed class is 4... the PNY is UHS-1 or speed 10 and a dollar cheaper.. to compete with the PNY, you'd have to go to ssandisk ultra.
[17:38] <IanTLopp> I'm not saying their products are bad - just SEVERELY overpriced.
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[17:39] <lastaid> SanDisk Extreme 16GB 18.51 MB/s 18.3 MB/s 8.10 MB/s 2.30 MB/s
[17:39] <lastaid> PNY Turbo (C10 90MB/s) 16GB 17.46 MB/s TODO 6.25 MB/s 0.62 MB/s
[17:39] <lastaid> Card Make/Model hdparm buffered dd write 4K rand read 4K rand write
[17:39] <lastaid> PNY does not seem that great ...
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[17:39] <IanTLopp> have NOT had that experience with any of my cards
[17:40] <IanTLopp> just put one of my PNYs in - what program was used for those stats. I can run it and provide results here.
[17:40] <lastaid> wait
[17:40] <lastaid> http://www.pidramble.com/wiki/benchmarks/microsd-cards
[17:40] <lastaid> here is the whole thing
[17:40] <lastaid> this is for the pi1 iirc
[17:41] <lastaid> would be interesting if the 100MHz overclocking works, because the guy stopped benchmarking PNY cards
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[17:47] <pwillard> I find PNY quite reliable as well
[17:48] <lastaid> i am waiting for the benchmark.
[17:50] <IanTLopp> lastaid: what's the program used to test it?
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[17:56] <lastaid> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/geerlingguy/raspberry-pi-dramble/master/setup/benchmarks/microsd-benchmarks.sh
[17:57] <lastaid> read the link i send you, he shows how to use it
[17:57] <IanTLopp> ahh... so in the PI itself - still funking with my PI.
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[17:58] <IanTLopp> I use HD Tach for testing the speeds of my cards, and never been disappointed with the PNY units
[17:58] <IanTLopp> for the larger ones, I usually get the Samsung Evo and Evo+ but *might* have to switch over to the pro line now :)
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[18:10] <exobuzz> hmm raspbian mirror raspbian-us.ngc292.space is annoying - they have a ipv6 AAAA entry, but ipv6 is firewalled.
[18:10] <exobuzz> meaning apt will sit there for ages.
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[18:15] <philpep> exobuzz: see /etc/gai.conf to prefer ipv4 over ipv6
[18:16] <exobuzz> yep, but that's not the point. i dont want to prefer ipv4 over ipv6 ;-)
[18:16] <exobuzz> the server is misconfigured
[18:16] <exobuzz> not after a solution - just mentioning the problem here (in case someone in charge is listening)
[18:16] <philpep> oh ok, sad :/
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[18:17] <leachim6> what are you guys all using your Pi's for?
[18:17] <leachim6> I just got a new Pi3 to setup a RetroPie
[18:17] <leachim6> that is an amazing piece of sofftware
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[18:17] <exobuzz> leachim6, thanks
[18:18] <leachim6> exobuzz: you work on it?
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[18:18] <exobuzz> yeh. with others.
[18:18] <leachim6> EmulationStation is so smooth and it looks great on my 55" TV
[18:18] <leachim6> currently scraping 3k roms, so it'll be a minute, heh
[18:18] <exobuzz> aah well. Aloshi is to thank for that - we just do small improvements on ES, but yeah - it's very nice
[18:18] <IanTLopp> emulationstation:
[18:19] <leachim6> exobuzz: Do you have a retropie setup you use?
[18:19] <exobuzz> leachim6, if you use the scraper from retropie-setup it is much faster than the one built into ES. you need to exit ES first
[18:19] <IanTLopp> ergh... how did THAT happen? I was typing that into google.
[18:19] <exobuzz> I have a few
[18:19] <leachim6> ah, I'll keep that in mind exobuzz, I'll use that one next time
[18:19] <leachim6> exobuzz: I bought a brand new xbox360 controller w/ wireless adapter, rpi+sdcard+case+fans and the entire total was around $80
[18:20] <leachim6> less than an original NES
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[18:20] <IanTLopp> how do I reformat a card that has been setup for one OS? I just tested recalbox and want to test retropi, but recalbox has setup the card with two partitions.
[18:20] <leachim6> hell, less than an original gameboy
[18:20] <leachim6> IanTLopp: if you're running windows you can use the SD Card eraser from the SD Foundation
[18:20] <JK-47> IanTLopp: fdisk. delete all the partitions.
[18:20] <IanTLopp> leachim6: you mean sdformatter? I'm using that and it only reformatted one of the partitions
[18:20] <leachim6> or that, if you're running a *nix
[18:21] <leachim6> IanTLopp: that's weird...
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[18:21] <leachim6> IanTLopp: I've always had good luck with sdformatter wiping the card clean
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[18:21] <IanTLopp> O......K.....
[18:21] <IanTLopp> I need to look more clearly
[18:21] <nukke> upstream support for the Pi3 will be in kernel 4.8, right?
[18:21] <IanTLopp> I just formatted my usb flash drive... that had all my PI images on it...
[18:22] <IanTLopp> I *thought* I had selected my SD card
[18:22] <IanTLopp> this.... sucks....
[18:23] <exobuzz> IanTLopp, you dont need to format it - just write over it with the new image (some image writers may require a quick format, but all partitions get overwritten when writing the image)
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[18:23] <leachim6> my CPU/GPU are both running at 44C and I have heatsinks and a fan in the case
[18:23] <leachim6> is that within thresholds?
[18:23] <exobuzz> thats running cool
[18:23] <exobuzz> that's
[18:23] <IanTLopp> I'm out for now... I need to wake up and NOT do stupid shit like format the wrong drive... bbl
[18:24] <leachim6> exobuzz: which controllers do you like to use with RetroPie?
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[18:26] <exobuzz> i use 8bitdo nes30 pro.
[18:26] <exobuzz> for wired, ibuffalo snes controller is decent. other people prefer 360/ps3 style
[18:26] <leachim6> oooh, and this driver is builtin to retropie right?
[18:26] <IanTLopp> exobuzz: I really want to test one of those controllers out - how is it comapred to a standard SNES controller?
[18:26] <leachim6> I've been using 360 controllers for everything BUT xbox360's for years, heh
[18:26] <leachim6> I've got one on my PC and one on my Pi
[18:27] <leachim6> this is a sexy looking controller though
[18:27] <exobuzz> 8bitdo are bluetooth - we have some workaround for them though
[18:27] <leachim6> $37 not bad
[18:27] <exobuzz> it's been years since I used a real snes controller. the ibuffalo and 8bitdo controllers feel good
[18:27] <leachim6> I like how they have L2/R2 buttons while keeping to the original form factor
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[18:27] <leachim6> do you ever hit them by accident?
[18:28] <exobuzz> I actually bought these - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiC0qeqmLKw cost about £90 - bit over the top perhaps but
[18:28] <exobuzz> i dont
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[18:28] <leachim6> I just like the 360 controller because it has enough buttons to do every system
[18:28] <leachim6> including PS1
[18:29] <leachim6> I guess I could use a PS3 controller
[18:30] <leachim6> exobuzz: what's your favorite system to play?
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[18:31] <exobuzz> arcade stuff i guess
[18:31] <Voop_> ps3/4 controllers should be able to work via bluetooth
[18:31] <leachim6> took me forever to get the damn xpad driver to work
[18:32] <Voop_> xbox360 wireless will work with a special dongle for them
[18:32] <leachim6> someone should update that wiki page
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[18:32] <Voop_> i use a wired 360 controller. less hassle
[18:32] <leachim6> same problem
[18:32] <leachim6> the damn light won't stop blinking on the controller
[18:33] <leachim6> you need to update the RPI firmware to fix it
[18:33] <leachim6> sudo apt install rpi-update && rpi-update
[18:33] <exobuzz> "someone should update that wiki page" - thats the problem isn't it - it's a wiki and you don't want to fix it - others might think the same so it doesn't get fixed
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[18:33] <leachim6> I wasn't sure if it was open to the world
[18:33] <leachim6> sure I'll fix it
[18:33] <exobuzz> leachim6, the kernel config option for LED was off - next raspbian kernel update will include it.
[18:33] <exobuzz> there is an xpad driver in latest retropie-setup script which will solve it also
[18:33] <leachim6> exobuzz: yeah I wasn't implying it was a retropie issue, I just had to do pretty deep to figure it out
[18:34] <leachim6> It's all good now
[18:34] <exobuzz> (without updating kernel)
[18:34] <leachim6> really?
[18:34] <exobuzz> it also maps the triggers to buttons which makes it easier to configure ES
[18:34] <exobuzz> but please use the retropie forum for further help
[18:34] <leachim6> because I used the xpad driver from the latest setup script and I still had the issue until I upgraded the firmware/kernel
[18:34] <leachim6> I wasn't asking for help, already fixed it :)
[18:34] <exobuzz> ok
[18:34] <leachim6> I got the answer on the forum
[18:35] <exobuzz> :)
[18:35] <leachim6> but yes, on topic I shall stay.
[18:35] <leachim6> I remember when the Rpi Model B first came out and I thought it was the coolest thing ever, then the Rpi3 just blew me away
[18:36] <IanTLopp> leachim6: the pi 3 is the reason I now own several Pis
[18:36] <leachim6> it pretty much fixed every beef I had with the device
[18:36] <IanTLopp> the pi 3 is capable, with proper optimization, of playing dreamcast games smoothly
[18:36] <leachim6> once they jumped to 1gb of ram, it changed the game
[18:37] <leachim6> I can't wait to see what the Rpi4 brings
[18:37] <leachim6> like someone said above, you can get pi clones to do just about anything, I personally have one with a SATA connector on it which is pretty cool
[18:37] <leachim6> however, Raspberry Pi has the best community and support/compatability
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[18:51] <Voop_> if you were gonna put a keyboard on a DMG gameboy
[18:52] <Voop_> how would you do it?
[18:52] <Voop_> lets get creative here
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[18:52] <IanTLopp> dmg gameboy?
[18:52] <Rickta59> is this a emulated DMG GB? or the real 8 bit one
[18:53] <Voop_> im talking about the physical gameboy
[18:53] <IanTLopp> what's DMB?
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[18:53] <ChunkzZ> Hi
[18:53] <IanTLopp> err... DMG... not Dave Matthews Band. heh
[18:53] <Rickta59> first i would google GB keyboard
[18:53] <Voop_> DMG is dot matrix gameboy
[18:53] <Voop_> since the display is dot matrix
[18:53] <Rickta59> first hit is a PS/2 keyboard instructable
[18:53] <IanTLopp> ahh... as opposed to what, though? all the game boys were DMG..
[18:54] <Rickta59> which when you said it would have been my first approach anyways
[18:54] <Voop_> i mean a keyboard physically in/on the gameboy
[18:55] <Voop_> i was thinking two rows of 7 tactile buttons on the back side
[18:55] <Rickta59> are you going to be writing novels with this keyboard?
[18:55] <Voop_> no
[18:55] <Rickta59> * not sure what the point would be
[18:56] <Voop_> youre no fun Rickta59
[18:56] <Voop_> i wanna do it because i can!
[18:56] <Rickta59> true
[18:56] <Voop_> well, hopefully i can
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[18:57] <Voop_> id like to have the entire computer in the gameboy without the need to hook keyboards and mice to it
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[18:57] <Voop_> will it be practical? of course not
[18:57] <Voop_> will i have a gameboy computer with built in kb+m? yes
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[18:58] <IanTLopp> I would look into the bat keyboard and see about implementing a similar design :)
[18:58] <Voop_> what is that a morse code keyboard
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[19:00] <Armand> Voop_: A one-button keyboard... :P
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[19:01] <Rickta59> or a chording keyboard and use leds as input
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[19:01] <IanTLopp> voop: nope... it's a macro keyboard, basically it has 7 buttons, and you use combinations of those buttons to type
[19:02] <Voop_> im looking for minimally impractical
[19:03] <Voop_> it needs to be a full keyoard
[19:03] <Voop_> well, at least all letters
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[19:03] <Voop_> enter and space and maybe a little puntuation
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[19:04] <Voop_> if i have to ill do tactile buttons
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[19:07] <IanTLopp> Voop_: well then... you could always try something like the keyboard on this http://efo.buy-lowest.com/images/product/08Black/size.jpg
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[19:07] <leachim6> I have a fan connected to the 5v/Gnd pins on the GPIO on my pi
[19:08] <leachim6> is there a way to spin down that fan in software?
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[19:09] <Voop_> IanTLopp, thats the other thing i was looking at. but all of those are bluetooth
[19:09] <IT_Sean> leachim6, Nope. The 5v GPIO pin is not hardware addressable.
[19:09] <Voop_> would it be possible to convert it to USB?
[19:09] <leachim6> I didn't espect so, it's just hard wired to the input power I suspect
[19:09] <IT_Sean> It is
[19:09] <IT_Sean> Only the 3.3v pins are addressable
[19:09] <leachim6> Which is nice because you can get 5v power without having to step down to 3.3v
[19:09] <IT_Sean> But, your Pi doesn't really _need_ a fan, you know...
[19:09] <IanTLopp> Voop_: ought to be, all bluetooth devices just have a bluetooth unit attached to a conroller board that *should* be adapatable to a serial interface.
[19:10] <leachim6> Yeah I know, it just came with my case, I may take it out
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[19:10] <leachim6> even the heat sinks I put on it aren't strictly necessary
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[19:10] <IT_Sean> External coolers for Pis serve only one purpose: To seperate fools from their money.
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[19:10] <leachim6> eh, it was an $8 plastic case
[19:10] <leachim6> 2 piece clamshell, it was all I needed
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[19:10] <leachim6> although the fan does save you a few degrees...not in a meaningful way
[19:11] <IanTLopp> IT_Sean: umm... mine NEEDS some kind of cooling, it can get pretty damn toasty, and it's not even in a case yet.
[19:11] <Voop_> IanTLopp, awesome
[19:11] <leachim6> these CPUs were meant to be run inside tablets with only passive cooling, keep that in mind
[19:12] <IanTLopp> well I don't mind just a heat sink if it'll do the job
[19:12] <oq> and they self throttle, so you don't need to worry about damage from overheating
[19:12] <IT_Sean> IanTLopp, No, it doesn't. But, whatever makes you happy.
[19:12] <IanTLopp> oq: that's cool :)
[19:12] <Voop_> i think you need to water cool it leachim6
[19:12] <IanTLopp> IT_Sean: emulating Dreamcast- pushes the cpu...
[19:12] <Rickta59> you could always grab and attiny or an atmeage and use that to control the fan .. but then you'd probably want some kind of temperature sensor
[19:12] <IanTLopp> makes it hot.
[19:12] <Rickta59> an attiny or atmega
[19:12] <leachim6> but like IT_Sean said, it's mostly pointless
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[19:13] <IanTLopp> IT_Sean: umm...
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[19:14] <IanTLopp> perhaps the device won't cook itself, but in my hands, in a case - getting hot is not really a good idea - even if it's just purely a comfort thing.
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[19:14] <leachim6> IanTLopp: you're tech, your choice man
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[19:15] <dob1> hi, i bought the raspberry pi 3 package, rpi3 + power supply + hdmi + case etc, the power supply is the original with the rpi brand on it, how is its data?
[19:15] <leachim6> if you wanna put the thing in a chamber circulated with liquid Nitrogen, we're not gonna stop you
[19:15] <IanTLopp> leachim6: well do you like to hold very hot devices for long periods of time?
[19:15] <pwillard> Even overclocked, they generate little heat
[19:15] <leachim6> IanTLopp: I don't typically hold my computers
[19:15] <leachim6> dob1: it should be a 2.5A power supply if you bought the official kit
[19:15] <pwillard> If you can hold your finger on the chip for 5 seconds... it doesn't need a heatsink
[19:15] <IanTLopp> I'm not saying anything like that - just going for a PiGRRL like device, so it's being held in my hands, and it can get uncomfortably hot.
[19:16] <dob1> leachim6, do you think is enough for 2 controllers + hdd usb? i would like to use retropie
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[19:16] <leachim6> dob1: the controllers should be fine, I can't speak to the HDD
[19:16] <leachim6> but it'll probably be fine
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[19:17] <dob1> leachim6, originale one, i bought it from amazon (italy) from the raspberry pi vendor, i think is the original
[19:17] <leachim6> typical 2.5" spinning drives run 500-600mA
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[19:18] <leachim6> dob1: I think you'll be fine
[19:18] <dob1> thanks for the info leachim6
[19:18] <leachim6> dob1: I just setup a retropie myself, which controllers are you going with?
[19:18] <Rickta59> http://store.wdc.com/store/wdus/en_US/compare/ThemeID.40718400/parentCategoryID.592557300/categoryID.592557400/WDLabs/WD_PiDrive you might check those out
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[19:19] <leachim6> that's atually really cool
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[19:19] <dob1> leachim6, i bought 2 buffalo usb like snes controllers
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[19:20] <leachim6> dob1: those will have a super low power draw, so I'd say you're totally fine
[19:20] <dob1> nice then :)
[19:20] <leachim6> dob1: if you start getting weird behavior/ the pi powers off randomly and things like that, you can always get a powered usb hub for around 10 euro
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[19:21] <Voop_> IanTLopp, youre building or built a handheld pi device for gaming?
[19:21] <IanTLopp> Voop_: several, actually, some based on the pi zero, some on the pi 3
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[19:21] <Voop_> im working on one right now (not the thing im doing with the keyboard)
[19:21] <dob1> leachim6, i have a rpi (1) model b too, and i use an external power supply for it, but this time i would like to use the power supply in the package
[19:21] <IanTLopp> building, rather.
[19:22] <dob1> i mean an usb hub
[19:22] <Voop_> do you have pics of the pi3 one?
[19:22] <Voop_> the internals
[19:22] <IanTLopp> Voop_: just got my pis... trying to do the design after I get the extra pcbs designed and made, etc..
[19:22] <Voop_> what are the extra pcb's for
[19:22] <IanTLopp> also, trying to find something MUCH cheaper than the paewang revolution or the PS360+
[19:22] <dob1> leachim6, i would like to put the roms in the external hdd, in the first time i was thinking a network share for them but i think it will be slow loading them
[19:23] <IanTLopp> well on the pi 3, I've got to design/redesign a pcb to take a lipo battery and power the pi 3, as well as have built in charging... and make it a lot smaller than the only one I've found online.
[19:23] <leachim6> dob1: roms are so small that a network share will work totally fine, I've tested it
[19:23] <leachim6> dob1: even Playstation ISOS load fine
[19:24] <Voop_> IanTLopp, powerboost 1000?
[19:24] <Voop_> thats what im using to handle the lipo
[19:25] <IanTLopp> hmm... that's smaller than the one I'm talking about.
[19:25] <Voop_> was gonna say its pretty small
[19:26] <dob1> leachim6, well considering that testing my pi1, i have like a 3.5 MB/s circa reading from a samba share, it's not so nice
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[19:29] <Voop_> if you have any other size saving tips id like to hear them IanTLopp
[19:29] <Voop_> im trying to cram a lot of extra things in mine and space is the #1 issue
[19:29] <Voop_> space saving*
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[19:29] <IanTLopp> Voop_: well I'm going to be desoldering the ethernet port, and all four of the usb ports, and then reconfiguring them to make everything slimline
[19:30] <Voop_> i would as well
[19:30] <IanTLopp> the ethernet port I'll be using an old xjack connector, and the 4 usb ports, I'll be lining them up in a row for a 1x4 config vs. the original 2x2 config.
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[19:30] <IanTLopp> reducing the heighth of the device significantly..
[19:30] <IanTLopp> also, removing the whole row of pins (header?)
[19:30] <IanTLopp> that's all I can do to slim it down.
[19:30] <Habbie> yes, that's the header
[19:31] <Habbie> i did not read back but why not pi zero?
[19:31] <Habbie> too slow?
[19:31] <IanTLopp> Habbie: I'm just getting into these projects and don't remember all the terms correctly
[19:31] <Voop_> also are you adding a screen
[19:31] <IanTLopp> Habbie, yes/no.
[19:31] <Habbie> dob1, leachim6, i've played emu roms from smb on wii, should be fine on whatever pi emu you pick as well
[19:31] <IanTLopp> I have 5 pi zeroes for other projects
[19:31] <IanTLopp> Voop_: yes.. my biggest bane... GAH
[19:31] <IanTLopp> can't find a good screen to save my life.
[19:31] <Voop_> i can help with that. lemme find the links
[19:32] <IanTLopp> Voop_: 5" 640x480 res screen that does not run off of SPI
[19:32] <IanTLopp> capactive touch screen is a bonus, but is not needed for what I'm doing.
[19:32] <Voop_> oh youre looking for 5"
[19:32] <IanTLopp> I can always add it later as well - I've found 5" touch screens
[19:32] <IanTLopp> yes, 5"
[19:32] <Voop_> mine is 3.5"
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[19:33] <IanTLopp> 3.5" is a little too small... 5" is right on the edge of too big, but I want to start with the largest size, then scale down from there as I learn how to make things smaller and smaller.
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[19:33] <IanTLopp> as far as the controller is concerned, I was going to go with a micro xbox 360 controller, and take the pcb from it and just solder on the buttons where I want them, but then someone mentioned the Paewang revolution and I'm in love... just not to the tune of $50-60
[19:34] <IanTLopp> then I found the PS360+ which is the same price, but at least also offers headset throughput on it.
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[19:34] <IanTLopp> for the pi zeroes.. one project i can't talk about for fear that i won't be the first to do it...
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[19:34] <IanTLopp> but i'm putting a pi inside a VMU and turning the dreamcast VMU into the world's smallest 16 bit portable console... only problem is lack of buttons
[19:35] <IanTLopp> I wouldn't be able to do SNES, but all other consoles would work on it.
[19:35] <Habbie> many SNES games don't actually need all buttons
[19:35] <Habbie> so don't drop it just because of that
[19:35] <giddles> ah i have also a problem
[19:35] <giddles> only one controller@ retroarch works
[19:35] <Voop_> IanTLopp, heh im afraid to talk about certain projects too
[19:35] <giddles> :D
[19:36] <IanTLopp> well it'll have it on there, but mostly it's not really cut out for SNES because of the buttons.
[19:36] <Voop_> there's a few things that havent been done that id like to try
[19:36] <IanTLopp> Voop_: I have several projects I don't talk about anymore because I've already lost one of my favorite ones to HP.
[19:36] <giddles> for snes the logitech gamepad f310 is nic
[19:36] <giddles> e
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[19:36] <IanTLopp> they're currently making a 4 camera 3d scanner/digitizer... I'd been working on that project years ago and talked about it freely - thought nothing of it... shelved it because of my own lack of knowledge, and then I just heard HP is making the damn thing.
[19:37] <IanTLopp> no clue if it's because of what I said or not, but I know noone else had come up with the idea publicly by the time I had... so... meh
[19:38] <Voop_> ive had that happen
[19:38] <Voop_> i dont think anyone has ever stolen my idea
[19:38] <IanTLopp> one project I'm working on, I intend to kickstart it... another one, depends upon how good I can make it.
[19:38] <IanTLopp> I've lost writing before, which won awards...
[19:38] <Voop_> but it still pisses me off when someone else does it
[19:39] <IanTLopp> friend of mine was in an english class and his math was killing him. He didn't want to fail his exam, so he studied like mad for it - actually pulled off a solid B too - proud of him. But as a result, he didn't have the time to write anything for his english class and asked if I'd do something for him.
[19:39] <IanTLopp> handed him a disk with a piece on it... didn't realize I'd already copied other stuff onto there...
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[19:40] <IanTLopp> he handed it in without printing it, so the teacher got all the work that I'd written, and now it's published in his name.
[19:40] <IanTLopp> I can't be really mad at him - I agreed to the farce to begin with and I wasn't careful with it...
[19:40] <IanTLopp> but now his name on my work, with a few awards to go along with it... pisses me off.
[19:40] <leachim6> well there's a silver lining here
[19:40] <IanTLopp> I'm a lot more guarded about the stuff I do that I think has any value... the dreamcast vmu idea - well I can't exactly sell it.
[19:40] <leachim6> IanTLopp: you won't be making that mistake again
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[19:41] <IanTLopp> leachim6: that's EXACTLY what I took from it... like I said, not mad at my friend...
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[19:44] <Voop_> i usually put ideas on the back burner than a year later find someone profiting from the same thing
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[19:45] <IanTLopp> Voop_: I also wrote a story that paralleled Gattaca a long damn time ago... way before Gattaca came out. I'd never shown it to anyone, then Gattaca came out and it was some creepy as hell DeJa Vu as I watched it.
[19:46] <IanTLopp> great movie, so I can't complain, but damn, now I can't publish it for fear of being a plagiarist...
[19:46] <Voop_> IanTLopp, Thomas Edison, dead for 80 years, oddly still inventing!
[19:46] <Voop_> a chair that never tips over!
[19:46] <IanTLopp> Voop_: please never say that name to me againm.
[19:46] <pwillard> Edison was a jerk
[19:47] <IanTLopp> Thomas Edison is not an inventor, nor was he ever. He did not own a single patent for anything he actually designed... all his "patents" were stolen or coerced/bought from others.
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[19:47] <Voop_> i was referencing the simpons
[19:47] <Voop_> simpsons*
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[19:47] <IanTLopp> and it's because of him primarily, but also others like him that Tesla died penniless and unappreciated.
[19:47] <IanTLopp> okay... sorry... I DO get triggered on Edison one of the few things that piss me off.
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[19:48] <Voop_> the episode is probably lending creedence to what youre saying IanTLopp
[19:48] <IanTLopp> wireless transmission of AC power over miles... we lost that because of Edison... reports differ, but Tesla had anywhere from 10 to 25 mile tests going and proven.
[19:48] <IanTLopp> Voop_: heh.
[19:48] <IanTLopp> the best we have today is around 4-6 feet... FEET man... I feel so lost without Tesla
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[19:48] <Voop_> homer breaks in to the museum to steal his invention but leaves behind his seemly crappy inventions (homers)
[19:49] <Voop_> and they are found and believed to be edisons
[19:49] <IanTLopp> AHHH... hehe, I think I remember that POS
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[19:50] <IanTLopp> at any rate - I'm designing a wireless keyboard that is tesla themed, and will be covered in bronze, stainless steel, and copper. It will be wirelessly charged as well
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[19:52] <ali1234> i like gattaca but that move has problems with the way technology is presented
[19:53] <IanTLopp> ali1234: I wrote my story back in the late 80's
[19:53] <ali1234> specifically the capabilities are always exactly whatever is needed for the plot
[19:53] <IanTLopp> Gattaca came out in the 90's
[19:53] <IanTLopp> so, it can be forgiven some stuff like that.
[19:53] <IanTLopp> the capabilities? of what?
[19:53] <ali1234> the technology
[19:54] <ali1234> for example
[19:54] <ali1234> they can take a pile of dust and identify every person's cells from it
[19:54] <ali1234> but they can't work out the guy they are looking for is the brother of the chief of police
[19:55] <IanTLopp> hehehe.
[19:55] <ali1234> this despite the fact they have everyone's DNA on record
[19:55] <IanTLopp> he was VERY careful about his cells being just left about
[19:55] <IanTLopp> they go into it pretty in depth about how much work he did to keep his dna from ever being found.
[19:55] <ali1234> but they got his DNA and they had a picture of him and knew his name
[19:56] <ali1234> this is actually addressed in a deleted scene, the older cop is a natural and covered it up
[19:56] <ali1234> but that's just one example
[19:57] <ali1234> with the widely available technology pretty much anyone should have been able to figure it out
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[19:59] <IanTLopp> eh, meh
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[19:59] <IanTLopp> been a while since I've seen the movie... might have just enjoyed it too much to critique it.
[20:01] <ali1234> the movie also isn't very clear about how long the genetic tech has been in use. it seems unlikely that it would reach that state in one generation, but there's still loads of older guys who are naturals
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[20:01] <IanTLopp> Voop_: https://github.com/NeonHorizon/lipopi this looks cool!
[20:03] <Voop_> that guy even has it wired to the data usb
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[20:03] <IanTLopp> yeah?
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[20:04] <ali1234> IanTLopp: this is the deleted scene, i have no idea why they cut it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC9f9Rfawcg#t=448
[20:06] <IanTLopp> I've seen that scene.
[20:07] <IanTLopp> had the dvd back in the day, so I guess I'd seen it then.
[20:07] <ali1234> i didn't learn about it until i asked about the gigantic plot hole on stack exchange :)
[20:07] <IanTLopp> hehe
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[20:08] <ali1234> without it the older detective's character makes no sense and contributes almost nothing to the movie. it's really stupid to cut it out imho.
[20:08] <IanTLopp> I gotta go for now. food run and I'm going to get some wood to make mounding boards for the PIs (give me some isolation between units)
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[21:38] <raspberrypifan> has anyone been able to connect the pi to serial ttl
[21:38] <mlelstv> how serial and how ttl ? :)
[21:38] <raspberrypifan> what
[21:40] <methuzla> like this? https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruits-raspberry-pi-lesson-5-using-a-console-cable/overview
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[21:41] <Habbie> raspberrypifan, i have
[21:41] <Habbie> i bet that url is great
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[21:41] <raspberrypifan> yea
[21:41] <raspberrypifan> ive tried it
[21:41] <raspberrypifan> with ym bus pirate
[21:41] <raspberrypifan> and nothing
[21:41] <methuzla> pi3?
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[21:42] <raspberrypifan> well
[21:42] <raspberrypifan> its actually a banana pi
[21:42] <raspberrypifan> that im using for this test
[21:42] <raspberrypifan> but it has the same raspbian
[21:42] <Habbie> so an unrelated device
[21:42] <raspberrypifan> and pin outs
[21:42] <Habbie> is your raspbian configured to set up serial console?
[21:43] <Habbie> and, don't you have a raspi to test with to rule out bananapi differences?
[21:43] <raspberrypifan> i do have rasp
[21:43] <raspberrypifan> and a zero
[21:43] <Habbie> can you try with either of those?
[21:44] <raspberrypifan> i guess i could
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[21:45] <raspberrypifan> its probably something with the bus pirate
[21:46] <raspberrypifan> if i conenct tx/rx on the bus pirate i do get the characters echo on the term
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[21:47] <Habbie> what characters echo where?
[21:48] <raspberrypifan> on the term conencted to the bus pirate if i join tx/rx then everything i type
[21:49] <raspberrypifan> i see
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[21:50] <Habbie> just an echo
[21:50] <Habbie> i bet it can do that without the pit oo
[21:50] <Habbie> pi too
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[21:56] <raspberrypifan> yea
[21:56] <raspberrypifan> thats what im saying
[21:56] <raspberrypifan> it works only when conencted to the bus pirate terminals
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[21:57] <raspberrypifan> guess ill try it on the pi
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[21:57] <gsantner> can somebody tell me why I can't playback h264 with ac3 on rpi3? (No audio playback, but video)
[21:57] <raspberrypifan> or
[21:58] <raspberrypifan> can i use a raspberry pi a serial adaptor
[21:58] <raspberrypifan> lol
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[22:00] <Habbie> raspberrypifan, that sentence made no sense to me
[22:00] <methuzla> gsantner, audio confirmed to work via some other means?
[22:01] <raspberrypifan> yea it does
[22:01] <raspberrypifan> but the problem is the pi 3 has that bluetooth serial issue
[22:02] <gsantner> methuzla: yeah audio+video works on 3 other desktop devices
[22:02] <gsantner> methuzla: And in general audio on rpi3 works (music). But not h264 with ac3, which should work
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[22:09] <methuzla> gsantner, audio works on the specific pi you are having the issue on? and how are you playing it back?
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[22:09] <raspberrypifan> lol
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[22:09] <raspberrypifan> it does work on the pi
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[22:11] <gsantner> methuzla: yeah, but not with the video! With Kodi
[22:12] <methuzla> gsantner, audio works with Kodi for other things?
[22:12] <gsantner> yes
[22:12] <gsantner> but not for video with h264, ac3, mkv container
[22:13] <gsantner> which is nowadays a pretty common combination
[22:14] <methuzla> gsantner, ok, good additional info for anyone else watching. but i haven't used Kodi, so can't help there.
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[23:39] <Berg> Hi I'm Berg
[23:40] <Habbie> hi Berg
[23:40] <ozzzy> Hi... I'm not
[23:40] <IT_Sean> 'ello Berg.
[23:41] <Berg> hello Not
[23:42] <Habbie> berg is dad
[23:42] <IT_Sean> (o_O)
[23:42] <HtheB> Hi I'm not Berg
[23:42] <IT_Sean> Neither am I
[23:43] <IT_Sean> ... i think.
[23:43] <HtheB> \o/
[23:43] <Berg> what arduino bits are usefull i got a gift card for a shop that only has arduino
[23:43] <IT_Sean> they are ALL useful. ..... if you have an arduino.
[23:43] <IT_Sean> Sorry, i'm not an Ardweenie, so, I have no actual idea.
[23:44] <Berg> i want to plug it into me pi
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[23:44] <Berg> hmmm not having much luck with this subject might by ba robot
[23:44] <IT_Sean> Are the 'dweeno GPIO pins 3.3v or 5v?
[23:44] <methuzla> 5
[23:44] <Berg> no clue i dont have one
[23:45] <IT_Sean> the Pi's are 3.3v, so...
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[23:45] <oq> 230v
[23:45] <Berg> not compatable?
[23:45] <IT_Sean> Not sure about Arduino hat cross-compatability
[23:45] <IT_Sean> i mean, some 5v stuff _might_ trigger w/ a 3.3v input, but, i owuldn't count on it universally.
[23:45] <Berg> yeah right
[23:45] <Berg> hmm
[23:46] <Berg> ok its a robot then one that can serve coffee
[23:46] <IT_Sean> You COULD use any of the arduino stuff with a wad in the middle to convert the 3.3v signalling to 5v.
[23:46] <IT_Sean> and vice versa, if it needs to talk back tothe Pi
[23:47] <Berg> sounds like a universal star trek translator very complex
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[23:47] <mfa298> I think some of the arduinos are 3v3 although I'm not sure what the hats are like for working on lower voltages
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