#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2016-08-19

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[0:24] <Chunkyz> ozzzy, I need a new microsd card, the one I'm using is a basic 1 from thepihut but it's not _that_ bad if I'm honest. I download, web browser, netflix etc on my pi 3. saves a lot of money on electric instead of using my windows desktop. I mainly browser the net and irc. it does well. :)
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[0:26] <Valduare> netflix on pi3?
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[0:27] <Chunkyz> yes
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[0:29] <Valduare> how
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[0:38] <Chunkyz> SpeedEvil, can linux be installed on that chromebook?
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[0:41] <Valduare> there’s no way I know of to watch netflix on a pi3 Chunkyz
[0:42] <guideX> Valduare: the linux app
[0:42] <guideX> on raspbian
[0:42] <guideX> or at least, thatg's what I was planning
[0:42] <Valduare> only arm support for netflix is on chrom os
[0:42] <guideX> oh hrnm
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[1:21] <WACOMalt> Hey folks. When I type a # sign on my keyboard it is instead doing (I think) pound sign, like the fancy L that is some currency symbol
[1:21] <WACOMalt> how can I change the locale so this is correct?
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[1:23] <DWKnight> WACOMalt: the config tool, change keyboard layout to US english qwerty
[1:24] <DWKnight> it's probably on britian english qwerty
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[1:27] <WACOMalt> I found sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[1:27] <WACOMalt> but what is this config tool?
[1:28] <DWKnight> the default keyboard layout on the raspberry pi in raspbian is british qwerty
[1:28] <DWKnight> raspi-config is the utility to change it
[1:29] <WACOMalt> gotcha
[1:29] <WACOMalt> thank you!
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[1:39] <WACOMalt> ok, trying to install lightdm so I can boot to desktop
[1:39] <WACOMalt> getting 404 error on a lot of packages
[1:39] <WACOMalt> fontconfig-config, libfontconfig1, fontconfig, libgd3
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[1:41] <shauno> if apt hits 404, it almost always means you need to apt-get update
[1:42] <WACOMalt> thanks, that was it :)
[1:42] <WACOMalt> so update is to update package lists in the repos. and upgrade is to actually upgrade the packages you have installed, right?
[1:43] <DWKnight> yup
[1:43] <shauno> exactly, yes
[1:43] <WACOMalt> Thanks. Slow getting back into this. I had a nice raspian install for my synthesizer but it didnt work putting it in my new pi3
[1:43] <WACOMalt> so I'm starting fresh
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[1:47] <WACOMalt> and perhaps offtopic, but what is "Processing man-db" or whatever when installing stuff? I see it no matter what I'm installing
[1:47] <WACOMalt> blargh
[1:48] <WACOMalt> so I set it to desktop with autologin
[1:48] <notadeveloper> xD
[1:48] <WACOMalt> but on reboot it shows the login screen, and if I type pi, raspberry, it starts to log in, then goes back to login screen
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[1:54] <notadeveloper> is there a on switch on raspberry pi
[1:55] <WACOMalt> nope
[1:55] <notadeveloper> thx
[1:55] <WACOMalt> but you can find cords with them, or addon modules for full power control
[1:57] <WACOMalt> Grrr ok what is the desktop environment of raspbian called?
[1:57] <WACOMalt> cant get into it for the life of me
[2:01] <ShorTie> ldx
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[2:04] <WACOMalt> Ok, the only thing I know to do is start over here :/
[2:07] <ShorTie> you using the full version of raspbian or the light ??
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[2:07] <ShorTie> full version has the desktop already setup
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[2:20] <WACOMalt> ShorTie, light
[2:20] <WACOMalt> do I need to sudo apt-get install ldx ?
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[2:21] <ShorTie> if you want a desktop, i'd go full and just remove the junk you don't want
[2:21] <ShorTie> or look to spindle as a guide how to install ldx
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[2:22] <ShorTie> 'do I need to sudo apt-get install ldx ?' lot more to it then just that
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[2:24] <WACOMalt> well, I'm specifically using an image of raspbian from iqaudio that supports my PiDAC+
[2:24] <WACOMalt> and they dont have full :/
[2:24] <ShorTie> then look to spindle and how it does it
[2:24] * WACOMalt googles what spindle is
[2:25] <ShorTie> spindle is what is used to make rasbian-full
[2:25] <ShorTie> https://github.com/asb/spindle
[2:25] <ShorTie> mainly stage 4
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[2:31] <WACOMalt> I think I'll start with just raspbian full, I just found the guide for adding iqaudio support to that, instead of the other way around
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[2:36] <WACOMalt> though it seems a bit of a bug that raspi-config in raspbian-light tells you ONLY to install lightdm to enable desktop
[2:36] <WACOMalt> when truethfully there's much for to it and that wont work.
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[2:38] <ShorTie> the raspbian lite guy use to hang here, but 'Last seen : Jun 08 22:23:05 2016 (10w 1d 2h ago)'
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[2:39] <ShorTie> guess he lost that loving feeling, lol.
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[2:53] <[Saint]> WACOMalt: yeah, mildly hilarious that they neglect the fact that you're /prooooooobably/ going to want a desktop environment too. ;)
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[2:54] <WACOMalt> nahhh boot to desktop to me means boot to loging screen loop
[2:54] <WACOMalt> *login
[2:54] <[Saint]> hah! :)
[2:54] <[Saint]> errr...something something, it's a feature, not a bug.
[2:55] <[Saint]> they're giving you the freedom to install a desktop environment by forcing you to realize you also need one.
[2:55] <[Saint]> *magigfingers.gif*
[2:55] <[Saint]> *magic
[2:55] <WACOMalt> *magictouchbutyoutouchedittoomuch.gif* ?
[2:57] <[Saint]> Someone should probably capitolize on the market for light distributions of Raspbian that actually include a compositor and desktop environment by default.
[2:57] <WACOMalt> if I had a clue how, I would lol
[2:57] <WACOMalt> can the Pi3 handle composition well?
[2:57] <WACOMalt> havent really tested it on mine yet
[2:58] <[Saint]> an lxde+openbox deployment with --no-install-recommends on raspbian lite is pretty snappy.
[2:59] <[Saint]> I have used it for a grand sum total of about 30 minutes though.
[2:59] <[Saint]> Then I started spinning up my own raspbian base images because I always deploy headless and do all the lowlevel config myself anyway.
[3:00] <sir_galahad_ad> o/
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[3:04] <\o`>
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[3:20] <Crom> nice... https://techcrunch.com/2016/08/13/the-onion-omega2-lets-you-add-linux-to-your-hardware-projects/
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[3:37] <\o`> ugh. I just met Rebecca Snoot and now the fool's memorial is corrupt
[3:37] <\o`> even loading old save games won't work
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[5:39] <hypermist> why does running sudo apt-get install ffmpeg do this Reading package lists... Done
[5:39] <hypermist> pi@raspberrypi:~/pifm $ ... 0%
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[5:40] <swift110-phone> hey
[5:40] <hypermist> hai swift110-phone
[5:41] <hypermist> reboot fixed it lol
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[5:44] <swift110-phone> how are you hypermist
[5:44] <hypermist> swift110-phone, could be better but alright
[5:45] <swift110-phone> i know the feeling
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[5:45] <hypermist> so being bored and make a pirate radio swift110-phone xD
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[5:47] <swift110-phone> that's cool
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[5:48] <hypermist> how about you swift110-phone how are you ?
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[5:49] <swift110-phone> well you could check out my blog
[5:49] <swift110-phone> swift110@wordpress.com
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[6:02] <hypermist> ffmpeg is taking forever to clone, hate to see how long its going to take to compile it D;
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[7:10] <legendre> hi hi
[7:11] <legendre> so is a zero a decent place to start, or should I just go ahead with one fo the 'bigger' units?
[7:12] <legendre> and what is the OS like? It's just Deb with a c/l only?
[7:16] <GreaseMonkey> i don't know what the zero's OS is like, the "bigger" units have a gui
[7:16] <GreaseMonkey> the "default" OS is pretty much debian compiled for armv6 and also has a few extra drivers
[7:16] <GreaseMonkey> OSLT
[7:16] <GreaseMonkey> legendre: what do you hope to do with your raspi
[7:17] <GreaseMonkey> if you want a portable gaming PCB so to speak i'd just go all out and get a pi3
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[7:41] <sir_galahad_ad> my highest end pi is still a B+
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[7:55] <legendre> GreaseMonkey: just general embedded/util type stuff. don't know what they're capable of , really..
[7:56] <legendre> GreaseMonkey: all new to me. I have some exp. with MC PIC stuff from the early 2ks but that's about it.
[7:56] <GreaseMonkey> ah, if you're into embedded then maybe the zero is a better choice
[7:56] <legendre> how does the raspi compare to the arduino stuff? aren't they both prog. uC platforms?
[7:56] <GreaseMonkey> although if you don't care about IoT you could possibly even get away with an AVR
[7:57] <legendre> pardon, what's IoT?
[7:57] <GreaseMonkey> Internet of Things
[7:57] <legendre> ah
[7:57] <GreaseMonkey> AKA "we can somehow make regular tools more useful and less prone to being interrupted by updates by putting the internet in them"
[7:57] <Drzacek> Good Morning #raspberrypi
[7:58] <GreaseMonkey> arduino's very much for microcontroller stuff, raspis on the other hand are more for general purpose computing
[7:58] <GreaseMonkey> evening Drzacek
[7:58] <legendre> GreaseMonkey: ok.
[7:59] <GreaseMonkey> but yeah it depends on what you're doing
[7:59] <legendre> so the raspi can be progged with any tools / langs etc that are compiled for the platform.. IOW you can have a "full" linux computer.
[7:59] <GreaseMonkey> in terms of general purposeness it's more like: uC (e.g. arduino) < single board computer/SBC (raspi) < desktop
[8:00] <legendre> so what lines are broken out on the 40-pin header of teh zero:? I mean, what kind of lines?
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[8:00] <legendre> it's not like data/addr right? more hi-level?
[8:00] <GreaseMonkey> they're GPIO pins
[8:00] <GreaseMonkey> i think
[8:00] <legendre> oh ok
[8:00] <GreaseMonkey> i'm not familiar with the raspi's headers but it's almost definitely for GPIO, although i think there's some I2C support maybe, or at least I2S
[8:00] <legendre> so they can be defined as I or O, various functions
[8:01] <legendre> like the GPIO pins on a PIC
[8:03] <GreaseMonkey> something like that, at least that's what many of the pins do
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[8:04] <GreaseMonkey> just a warning though, unlike on an AVR (e.g. arduino uno board), the expected voltages are lower (iirc they're designed for 3.3V devices) and if you aren't careful you'll blow the safety fuse... which automatically relinks after a number of hours IIRC
[8:05] <GreaseMonkey> but do NOT rely on that, i've heard the fuse gets weaker the more you blow it
[8:05] <\o`> Ça plane pour moi!
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[8:09] <\o`> une gueule de bois a bu ma biere dans un grand verre en caoutchouc
[8:10] <\o`> comme un indien dans son igloo
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[9:13] <shadowchaser> i'm trying to install wifi module driver on Kali and am getting such message "make[1]: *** /lib/modules/4.1.19-v7/build: No such file or directory. Stop.", however i've installed build essentials, kernel source, and everything else i can think of, any ideas?
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[9:17] <guideX> you know what's real funny, I was sitting in #rasberrypi for a long time (has like 4 ppl in it) and wasn't aware I made a typo
[9:18] <guideX> alrighty, baby is out cold, time to break out the pi zero and bazillion cables and adapters ;D
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[9:20] <guideX> guys, what can you do if, you've gone pi crazy/obsessed
[9:20] <guideX> are there like, groups for people that overdo it
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[9:40] <\o`> I *love* Brazillian cables
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[9:40] * \o` pulls on the cable
[9:41] <\o`> oops!
[9:41] * \o` covers eyes
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[9:58] <Drzacek> guideX, so, what are you STILL doing there? :D
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[10:47] <c64x86> I DINDU NUFFIN
[10:47] <c64x86> I feared for my life! I didndu nuffin, he started it and he punched me in my face and I just backed up and I dindu even touch him
[10:47] * binaryhermit kicks nuts in the c64x86
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[10:48] <c64x86> trolling aside :p. What do you do with a pi?
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[10:49] <c64x86> I had my pi running as a server, and then I just shut it down. It dindu nuffin :p. And there's a pi3 out now that I'm thinking about using as an accesspoint?
[10:50] <c64x86> is the rpi3 good as an WIFI accesspoint?
[10:50] <kerio> or you could use an actual access point
[10:50] <kerio> with actual range
[10:50] <Drzacek> c64x86, remember that rpi has 10/100mb ethernet (no gigabit)
[10:50] <kerio> and wifi ac
[10:50] <binaryhermit> it's actually n
[10:50] <binaryhermit> 2.4 ghz only
[10:50] <c64x86> Drzacek: even rpi3?
[10:50] <c64x86> hm, I see
[10:51] <kerio> and dual band, yes
[10:51] <Drzacek> just build a robot
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[10:57] <GreaseMonkey> what i do with mine is i basically see what games and whatnot i can port
[10:57] <GreaseMonkey> i have a pi1 and a pi3
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[10:57] <\o`> port games in what way?
[10:58] <c64x86> and why?
[10:58] <GreaseMonkey> for starters i compile them, and then i start beating the code into shape until it runs faster
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[10:58] <GreaseMonkey> most useful trick: write a 2x upscaler
[10:58] <GreaseMonkey> i have hexen 2 running at a decent speed at 400x300 upscaled to 800x600 iirc on my pi1
[10:59] <\o`> the scaling can't be done by the GPU?
[10:59] <GreaseMonkey> although the catch is i've also replaced the persptex correction with an integer version
[10:59] <GreaseMonkey> \o`: dispmanx is a pain to work with
[10:59] <\o`> GreaseMonkey, yah I guess it would be
[10:59] <GreaseMonkey> but yeah the persptex correction tends to be a bit inaccurate in places
[11:00] <GreaseMonkey> and you can see seams that you shouldn't
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[11:00] <\o`> hmm
[11:00] <\o`> I wrote a thing that did texture rotation using a modified bresenham's LDA
[11:00] <GreaseMonkey> fun thing, while the quake 1 engine (incl. hexen 2) uses floating point for persp correction, the quake 2 engine uses fixed point
[11:01] <\o`> maybe a similar approach can be used with scaling... not sure
[11:01] <GreaseMonkey> that reminds me, i've heard if you can get eigenvectors you can apply persp correction with them
[11:01] <GreaseMonkey> oh yeah, other fun things you can do to at least look like you're making it go faster: cleaning up instances of duff's device
[11:02] <\o`> duff's device... the craziest thing ever devised (in a good way)
[11:03] <GreaseMonkey> i get the feeling that at least on my pi3 i'd be able to squeeze out a bit of extra speed if i used clang in the right way
[11:03] <GreaseMonkey> clang does a notably better job of autovectorisation than gcc from my experience
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[11:04] <GreaseMonkey> i don't know if it uses the armv6 media ops though so i'm not sure if i'd get an improvement for my pi1
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[11:05] <GreaseMonkey> which reminds me, i've been working on a video codec and the goal is to get it to encode realtime on a pi1. i'll probably have to use those media ops.
[11:05] <GreaseMonkey> most important one: USAD8
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[11:06] <kerio> duff's device is a brilliant antipattern
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[11:07] <\o`> kerio, I agree
[11:08] <\o`> (and I don't even like patterns lol)
[11:08] <kerio> it's not a pattern
[11:08] <SergioEDuran1> Hello friends, there is not any Raspberry Pi official channel?
[11:08] <\o`> kerio, I know. But I dislike patterns and anti-patterns
[11:09] <\o`> just a personal quirk I gues
[11:09] <\o`> we had no patterns when I learned to program and things seemed to work out just fine
[11:09] <kerio> \o`: have you ever seen the borg antipattern
[11:09] <\o`> no I haven't
[11:10] <mfa298> SergioEDuran1: this is as official as it gets for generic pi stuff, there are some OS specific channels I think
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[11:10] <kerio> class Borg(object): def __init__(self): self.__dict__ = type(self).__dict__
[11:10] <kerio> resistance is futile
[11:10] <\o`> oh geez
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[11:11] <SergioEDuran1> mfa298: I see, I asked that because I saw unofficial IRC channel in the channel's theme
[11:11] <kerio> \o`: isn't it brilliant
[11:11] <\o`> I'm still digesting it
[11:12] <mfa298> SergioEDuran1: well it's not an official channel, but then there isn't an official one
[11:12] <SergioEDuran1> hehehe I see
[11:12] <kerio> SergioEDuran1: this is the most official of the servers
[11:12] <kerio> er
[11:12] <kerio> of the channels
[11:13] <mfa298> as the /topic continues: ...but "Blessed" by the Foundation as the ONE channel.
[11:13] <Berg> the most officia; inoffficia;
[11:14] <SergioEDuran1> and by the way I am on the OSMC Raspbian UbuntuMATE and RetroPie channels because I have a Raspberry Pi 3 model B with UbuntuMATE Retropie and OSMC :D
[11:14] <SergioEDuran1> I am also in the Arch linux's channel because I use Arch :)
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[11:15] <hypermist> hmph PiFm for the pi2 w ont stream anymusic
[11:15] <hypermist> xD
[11:16] <c64x86> GreaseMonkey: if you port those games to a modern engine you get an incredible speedup
[11:16] <SergioEDuran1> friends wich output method do you prefer for the Rpi?
[11:16] <GreaseMonkey> c64x86: any concrete examples?
[11:16] <SergioEDuran1> I have a REALLY old TV so I use composite
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[11:17] <c64x86> GreaseMonkey: raycasting to OpenGL for example
[11:17] <c64x86> GreaseMonkey: wolfenstein 3D
[11:18] <c64x86> GreaseMonkey: many old games rely on software rendering
[11:18] <c64x86> GreaseMonkey: a GPU does it way faster and release CPU time
[11:19] <hypermist> so is pin 7 GPIO 4 on a pi2b ?
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[11:27] <hypermist> wow i cannot believe how bad a pi2b wants to be to me
[11:27] <hypermist> xD
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[11:33] <hypermist> so radio doesnt wanna play .mp3's but will kindly play .wavs guh
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[11:37] <BurtyB> hypermist, probably becuase it only supports wav...
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[11:41] <hypermist> i installed a codec for it BurtyB
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[11:47] <hypermist> it was just the pi2b being silly switched to a pi1 and it worked
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[11:54] <radioslave> Anyone have a web based calendar that accepts published ICS's and updated semi frequently?
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[11:54] <radioslave> google calendar is gloriously useless
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[11:55] <nymus> hello all, do you know if there is any news about the porting of NetBSD on pi3?
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[12:57] <binaryhermit> hmm, conspiracy theory
[12:58] <binaryhermit> the raspberry pi foundation hasn't released a raspbian image in almost 3 months because something conspiracy-worthy
[12:58] <binaryhermit> </sarcasm>
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[13:00] <binaryhermit> heh
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[13:05] <rendar> any has bluetooth keyboard/mouse for rasp 3.0?
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[13:07] <rendar> anyone*
[13:08] * BurtyB has no idea what rasp 3.0 is but I use a bluetooth kb with trackpad on a Pi 3.
[13:13] <rendar> BurtyB: what? raspberry pi version 3?!
[13:13] <Drzacek> BurtyB, if you cast it to int you'll get 3
[13:13] <rendar> BurtyB: can i ask you the model of your kb?
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[13:16] <radioslave> so this link to install owncloud says a couple commands that dont seem to work
[13:16] <radioslave> any insight?
[13:17] <radioslave> http://www.techradar.com/how-to/computing/how-to-set-up-a-raspberry-pi-powered-cloud-service-1316017
[13:17] <radioslave> namely:
[13:17] <radioslave> In addition to installing the required components, the above command automatically confi gures the Apache web server to talk to the OwnCloud installation. You need to enable certain Apache modules. In a terminal, enter:
[13:17] <radioslave> $ sudo a2enmod headers rewrite env
[13:17] <radioslave> just get the a2enmod command not found
[13:18] <rendar> radioslave: why not nginx instead of apache?
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[13:18] <radioslave> i have no idea
[13:18] <radioslave> im not even sure what im doing
[13:18] <radioslave> im just following the page
[13:18] <rendar> ok
[13:19] <radioslave> im guessing apache isnt installed
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[13:19] * ozzzy uses apache
[13:19] <radioslave> actually i might've not even installed Owncloud
[13:20] <radioslave> thus not installing apache, nevermind
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[13:22] <oq> "<radioslave> im just following the page"
[13:23] <rendar> oq: was you yesterday who was saying that rasp3 has bluetooth but didn't have the bluetooth driver?
[13:23] <oq> no, some guy was saying the built in bluetooth was working with his ps3 controller for some reason
[13:24] <rendar> oq: shouldn't the builtin bluetooth work?
[13:24] <radioslave> yeah i guess i wasn't following it as close as i should've, lol
[13:24] <rendar> :)
[13:24] <oq> rendar: who knows
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[13:25] <radioslave> ps3 drivers are all kinds of screwy
[13:25] <radioslave> just in general
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[13:28] <binaryhermit> I used to be able to reproducibly kernel panic the rpi3 with a ps3 controller
[13:28] <binaryhermit> just try to connect the thing to bluetooth, and poof
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[13:28] <Viper168> that's what she said
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[13:30] <rendar> btw, why i still need omxplayer in rasp3 to play a pretty standard divx (not so high resolution) otherwise, by simply launching vlc player, it gets very very slow, and the images start to freeze very fast? rasp3 is a 1GB quad core..should be able to reproduce a divx without freezeing images..
[13:32] <oq> rendar: it's probably not hardware accelerated
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[13:39] <binaryhermit> also, for what it's worth, the ps3 controller might still cause kernel panics, I haven't tried with the current kernel or anything
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[13:46] <Berg> plausible deny-ability
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[13:46] <radioslave> deniability?
[13:46] <Armand> *deniability, indeed
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[13:48] <Berg> my spell-checker was made in America
[13:48] <Armand> Explains why it's wrong, I guess..
[13:48] <Berg> :)
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[13:51] <binaryhermit> that's... nationist?
[13:51] * binaryhermit is kidding
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[14:17] <radioslave> can anyone shed some light on this?
[14:17] <radioslave> Optionally, on larger installations, you can also install the APC PHP accelerator to make the OwnCloud installation snappier. Pull in the components with "sudo apt-get install php-apc" and then open APC's configuration file and add:
[14:17] <radioslave> $ sudo nano /etc/php5/conf.d/20-apc.ini
[14:17] <radioslave> extension=apc.so apc.enabled=1 apc.shm_size=12M
[14:17] <radioslave> when i sudo nano into that file it's completely blank
[14:17] <radioslave> any idea how i'd search for the correct conf file
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[14:18] <radioslave> wait a second i figured it out
[14:18] <Armand> Just as well... very off-topic. :P
[14:19] <radioslave> not really
[14:19] <radioslave> trying to install OwnCloud to RPi3
[14:19] <Armand> Also, that's three instructions.
[14:19] <Armand> extension=apc.so
[14:19] <Armand> apc.enabled=1
[14:19] <Armand> apc.shm_size=12M
[14:19] <Armand> NOT one line.
[14:19] <radioslave> yeah i figured out where the first file is
[14:20] <radioslave> which was just a deeply seated php.ini file
[14:20] <Armand> ;)
[14:20] <radioslave> cd
[14:20] <Armand> Yeah, different distros can be odd as to the locations.
[14:20] <Armand> I'm used to seeing /usr/local/lib/php.ini
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[14:21] <radioslave> this was /etc/php5/apache2
[14:21] <Armand> Ugghh.. :P
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[14:22] <radioslave> would 'sudo service apache2 restart' be the same as ' sudo apachectl restart.'?
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[14:38] <radioslave> so when i did sudo apt-get install owncloud it was, apparently, supposed to ask me to create a username and password for the MySQL database
[14:38] <radioslave> which it didnt
[14:38] <radioslave> anyone encountered that?
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[14:57] <WACOMalt> Hey folks. Is there a way in rasbian to make ctrl alt delete bring up the shutdown prompt?
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[14:58] <WACOMalt> It used to on an older version but now it brings up process manager
[15:00] <WACOMalt> Talking about in desktop btw
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[15:23] <BurtyB> rendar, https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/mini-wireless-bluetooth-keyboard-with-touchpad is what I have
[15:23] <rendar> BurtyB: thanks
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[15:29] <radioslave> Anyone have experience with syncing exchange calendars to Owncloud?
[15:29] <radioslave> Trying to visualise how this is going to work, as OwnCloud doesn't -seem- to pull in ICS's
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[15:34] <rendar> oq: vlc in desktops is hardware accelerated?
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[15:35] <binaryhermit> there's a way to build it with hardware acceleration, but I've never seen a vlc binary with hardware acceleration being distributed
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[15:36] <rendar> binaryhermit: i was asking: why i still need omxplayer in rasp3 to play a pretty standard divx (not so high resolution) otherwise, by simply launching vlc player, it gets very very slow, and the images start to freeze very fast? rasp3 is a 1GB quad core..should be able to reproduce a divx without freezeing images..
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[15:38] <DWKnight> vlc in pi3 doesn't sound hardware accelerated then
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[15:39] <Chillum> I don't think so
[15:39] <Chillum> however I think you can compile it specially?
[15:39] <Chillum> no sure, just something I heard soemone say
[15:40] <oq> you would have to replicate the api omxplayer uses
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[15:46] <binaryhermit> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=59814&hilit=vlc+hardware+acceleration
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[15:49] <Chillum> neat
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[15:51] <DWKnight> make -j3 on quad core
[15:51] <DWKnight> lol
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[15:53] <DWKnight> admittedly, I'd set things up myself so that I'd have multiple pis doing the compiling using distcc
[15:54] <DWKnight> so I'd be doing -j12 or something like that
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[16:01] <radioslave> what
[16:01] <radioslave> the hell
[16:01] <radioslave> I just got done setting up OwnCloud and after some research found this
[16:01] <radioslave> Office 365 can support the following protocols: Exchange (MAPI), ActiveSync, browser (Office Web App), EWS (Exchange Web Services) IMAP, and POP3. Office 365 does not support calendar standard (CalDAV) and address book standard (CardDAV) protocols.
[16:01] <radioslave> I might cry
[16:02] <DWKnight> microsoft not supporting stanards?
[16:02] <Armand> Exchange, Office, EWS.... Yeah, I'd cry if I had to deal with that ****
[16:02] <DWKnight> *shock*
[16:02] <radioslave> I dont know what to do
[16:02] <Armand> Kill it with fire ?
[16:02] <binaryhermit> they are a convicted monopolist
[16:03] <radioslave> it's like they've pigeonholded calendar usage down to simply OWA onkly
[16:03] <radioslave> only
[16:03] <binaryhermit> though they're slowly learning
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[16:03] <radioslave> I simply cannot find a way out of this situation since Sunrise.am got bought out
[16:03] <radioslave> there's no web based calendar with activesync/O365 native support ic an find
[16:04] <radioslave> and if I can't get it to work via CalDAV then what hope is ther
[16:04] <radioslave> e
[16:05] <DWKnight> are you willing to use external apps for sync?
[16:05] <DWKnight> https://sourceforge.net/projects/outlookcaldavsynchronizer/ if so
[16:05] <radioslave> i dont care at all, as long as it syncs in a timely manner
[16:05] <radioslave> Google Calendar takes 24 hours
[16:05] <radioslave> to update ics'
[16:06] <radioslave> hmm
[16:06] <radioslave> so i'd need a windows machine
[16:06] <radioslave> maybe it's best to do owncloud on windows rather than a Pi then
[16:08] <DWKnight> the caldav sync plugin is client side only
[16:08] <DWKnight> not server side
[16:09] <radioslave> I literally know nothing about CalDAV, first time dealing with it
[16:09] <radioslave> and the calendar i'm trying to sync is a meeting room calendar
[16:10] <radioslave> might give this a go, but im not optimistic it will let me set things like: only show the 'day' view and 'limited' details for the object
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[16:28] <lastaid> hello there. i have a problem. i cannot get my raspberry pi to stop screen blanking
[16:28] <lastaid> i start my program as a systemd service
[16:28] <lastaid> and put all the stuff into /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc and /etc/kbd/config
[16:29] <ali1234> put consoleblank=0 on the kernel command line
[16:29] <ali1234> /boot/cmdline.txt
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[16:30] <ali1234> then shake your fist at systemd developers because they added yet another screen blanker timeout you have to edit
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[16:30] <lastaid> quite honestly, this was my first time with some low level linux stuff
[16:30] <lastaid> "low level"
[16:31] <ali1234> consoleblank=0 is a new thing you need to add since everything switched to systemd
[16:31] <lastaid> and i really liked systemd because i could quite nicely adjust the bootup time
[16:31] <ali1234> most guides were written before that and now are out of date
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[16:31] <lastaid> plymouth is not working at all, i barely managed to get the 3 dot display thingy. an the product is going to a convention this weekend
[16:32] <lastaid> ali1234: that i have noticed
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[16:36] <radioslave> this is interesting
[16:36] <radioslave> https://apps.owncloud.com/content/show.php/Mail?content=169914
[16:36] <radioslave> I wonder if this is a potential workaround
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[16:40] <sloth> the platypus being one of the only animals that produces both eggs and milk means its almost the only animal that can make its own custard
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[16:43] <lastaid> ali1234: consoleblank=0 didn't do the trick
[16:43] <lastaid> blanked after 10 minutes
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[16:45] <DWKnight> did you reboot after setting it?
[16:45] <lastaid> yes did
[16:45] <lastaid> will do again to be sure
[16:46] <lastaid> i do have a startup script
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[16:46] <lastaid> i boot into console without autologin, then start my application with systemd
[16:46] <lastaid> could i just put a few lines in there to stop that think from going to sleep mode
[16:46] <lastaid> using the offical pi display fyi
[16:47] <WadeWatts> hmm guys is there any other usage for a seismograph than to detect earthquakes?
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[16:50] <radioslave> the official pi display is pretty strange, couldn't get a few things working with it
[16:51] <radioslave> might need to do something with an lcd_ command
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[16:51] <radioslave> what repo are you using
[16:51] <radioslave> distro
[16:51] <lastaid> i am using raspbian
[16:52] <lastaid> updated jessie afaik
[16:52] <radioslave> jessie?
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[16:52] <radioslave> did you know the config file moved
[16:52] <lastaid> what config moved?
[16:53] <radioslave> sorry, the autostart file
[16:53] <radioslave> sudo nano ~/.config/lxsession/LXDE-pi/autostart
[16:53] <radioslave> i had to put a bunch of stuff in there that used to go elsewhere
[16:54] <lastaid> radioslave: i am not logged on as my normal user
[16:54] <lastaid> i did put it in /etc though
[16:55] <radioslave> that might be the problem
[16:55] <radioslave> i think the original path is different to jessies
[16:55] <radioslave> wheezys*
[16:55] <lastaid> ireally hate that all the tutorials are quite misleading now ^^
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[17:01] <DWKnight> old tutorials are old?
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[17:03] <ShorTie> tutorials are a pia to keep up, guess that is why i never find 'the 1' that works right
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[17:17] <lastaid> ShorTie: DWKnight at the moment most pi tutorials ware old ^^
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[17:27] <DrunkenDwarf> Hi all. Hoping someone can clarify for me something. Im trying to interface an ATMega328 (Chip from Arduino Uno) with Pi over GPIO. Ideally, I want to interface with the atmega over I2C but the chips 5V while GPIO is 3.3V so I need a Logic Level Converter (People have said that you dont need it cause of the pullup resistors but its considered not reallyy great not to use it in anything other than hobyist projects).. problem is, I cant find
[17:27] <DrunkenDwarf> much reference or real idea what I need to do
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[17:28] <Chunkyz> can anyone tell me why certain apps have a black background? like network manager, deluge etc? is it a video driver problem?
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[17:34] <Chunkyz> <Chunkyz> can anyone tell me why certain apps have a black background? like network manager, deluge etc? is it a video driver problem?
[17:34] <Chunkyz> <Chunkyz> I tried to remove fbdev and installed fbturbo, still the same thing. some apps have a black background like network manager.
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[17:39] <Chunkyz> uGet is also black in the app.
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[17:46] <Chunkyz> here's a screenshot: http://imgur.com/a/uHE4S
[17:47] <radioslave> strangely Sunrise.am isn't giving the August 31st shutdown notice anymore
[17:47] <radioslave> i wonder if that's changed
[17:47] <Chunkyz> The 1 time I need support, no one is replying. -.-
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[17:55] <radioslave> Anyone ever tried this out with owncloud: https://syncevolution.org?
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[19:58] <Chunkyz> ozzzy, nice!
[19:58] <Chunkyz> I'm trying to sort my vpn out. :(
[19:58] <Chunkyz> got the theme working XD
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[20:38] <pwillard> I don't think may people mess with themes
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[20:47] <TheLostAdmin> I think lots of people mess with themes. They just tend to be Linux people in general as opposed to the RPI sub-set.
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[20:58] <Habbie> TheLostAdmin, pwillard, that's exactly right
[20:59] <Habbie> it's easy to forget a raspi is mostly just a slightly slow linux box :)
[21:00] <pwillard> Right... I leave the xwindow stuff mostly alone and I think that's pretty common unless you are a "school" person.
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[21:14] <hstl> Hi. Is multiboot possible in Raspberry Pi?
[21:15] <ali1234> yes
[21:15] <hstl> for example, raspbian + kodi on 1 SD card
[21:15] <hstl> alil234?
[21:16] <ali1234> it's a one
[21:16] <hstl> ali1234
[21:16] <ali1234> you can use grub, or you can use noobs
[21:16] <ali1234> both provide multiboot capability in different ways
[21:16] <ali1234> noobs is probably easier
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[21:56] <RoBo_V> How to playnormal 720p video,im trying vlc and it is stucking and so slow.
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[21:59] <DWKnight> RoBo_V: vlc from repositories or vlc compiled yourself?
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[22:10] <RoBo_V> DWKnight: from repo
[22:11] <RoBo_V> and omxplayer failing on me
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[22:29] <Encrypt> Hey guys!
[22:29] <Encrypt> I've been wondering: is there such a thing as an SD to USB adapter?
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[22:30] <mfa298> RoBo_V: I don't think the packaged vlc has hardware acceleration, so might have issues
[22:30] <Encrypt> So that a USB drive could run the OS?
[22:30] <DWKnight> RoBo_V: the from repo version definitely does not have hardware accel
[22:30] <DWKnight> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=59814&hilit=vlc+hardware+acceleration might be of use
[22:31] <mfa298> Encrypt: just use a Pi3 and you can boot direct from USB
[22:31] <Encrypt> mfa298, The idea is to avoid using the USB bus
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[22:32] <mfa298> SD to USB adapter just sounds a bit nasty (I'm assuming you want to plug a hdd in)
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[22:36] <RoBo_V> DWKnight: then what is best bet ?
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[22:38] <mfa298> RoBo_V: if you want hardware acceleration I think the choices are omxplayer, kodi or compile vlc as per that forum post
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[22:40] <Encrypt> mfa298, Yeah
[22:40] <Encrypt> It seems that there is not really such thing
[22:41] <mfa298> why not just boot from USB, I'd have thought that would work better for a hdd
[22:41] <Encrypt> I found that though: http://phonerpt.com/review-mobiadaptor-usb-to-microsd-9801/
[22:41] <RoBo_V> mfa298, DWKnight thanks
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[22:46] <WACOMalt> Hey folks. Is there a store in the US that sells raspberry Pi zero with no crazy markup?
[22:46] <WACOMalt> Amazon is 300% cost
[22:46] <Encrypt> WACOMalt, What do you want to do with it?
[22:46] <WACOMalt> order it without a crazy markup :)
[22:47] <WACOMalt> no idea yet
[22:47] <WACOMalt> but at $5 (supposedly) its a fun little thing to mess with
[22:47] <WACOMalt> at $15 everywhere though its a bit less fun
[22:47] <TheLostAdmin> WACOMalt, have you looked at adafruit?
[22:48] <WACOMalt> hmm
[22:48] <WACOMalt> well one idea I had involves getting quite a few of them. Adafruit is locked to 1 per customer
[22:48] <TheLostAdmin> that's probably due to current shortages.
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[22:49] <WACOMalt> also, a minimum of $8.61 shipping
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[22:49] <WACOMalt> so it winds up being 13.21 for only one
[22:49] <mfa298> WACOMalt: In the US I think the offical places are Adafruit or microcentre, but limit of 1 per order as with all the offical resellers.
[22:49] <TheLostAdmin> Well yes. They charge for actual shipping.
[22:50] <WACOMalt> it can fit in an envelope :/ could easily do $0.25 shipping
[22:50] <mfa298> other places are probably ordering from the offical places at 1 per order and then re-selling hence mark up
[22:50] <WACOMalt> or however much a USPS flat rate envelope is
[22:50] <IT_Sean> WACOMalt, the shipping cost is a lot more than just postage.
[22:50] <TheLostAdmin> not if you want to to arrive in-tact.
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[22:50] <IT_Sean> you are paying for a human being to get the item, package it, put it in an envelope, slap a shipping label on it, and send it
[22:50] <WACOMalt> its a single board with almost no overhanging pieces. I'd happily risk it coming in an envelope
[22:50] <IT_Sean> there is a human labor cost.
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[22:51] <WACOMalt> I dunno if it'd cost $8.36 per item to ship though, that seems very high for how tiny this thing is.
[22:51] <TheLostAdmin> While you might, respectable electronic sellers wouldn't. They generally have a return policy and try to be nice to customers even when the item is damaged during shipping.
[22:52] <WACOMalt> well dagnabbit I need to find a retailer who's willing to say screw you customer, and ship it to me flatrate with no protection :P
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[22:53] <IT_Sean> And then what happens whne it comes to you cracked im half. Are you prepared to accept that risk?
[22:54] <WACOMalt> yup
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[22:55] <IT_Sean> There is still a human cost in actually shipping the item to you beyond what the carrier charges for postage.
[22:55] <WACOMalt> I get that
[22:56] <WACOMalt> I just feel like there should be a way to get it to my door for no more than $10, even safely.
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[22:56] <WACOMalt> but whatever I'll just try to find a local store that will stock it for me.
[22:56] <WACOMalt> there's a microcenter nearby, but they don't appear to carry them
[22:56] <WACOMalt> but they've always been at msrp
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[22:58] <WACOMalt> Im just trying to buy in bulk here and that's gonna get costly really fast.
[22:58] <WACOMalt> is it possible to buy directly from raspberry pi in bulk?
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[22:58] <IT_Sean> Nope
[22:58] <TheLostAdmin> I don't know about adafruit but several rpi sellers will offer free shipping on large enough orders (although typically something over $200).
[22:58] <IT_Sean> Well, mebbe if you wanted to buy 100,000 of them or something...
[22:58] <WACOMalt> gotcha
[22:59] <TheLostAdmin> Ah. like MCM Electronics (mcmelectronics.com).
[22:59] <IT_Sean> The Foundation's idea of "bulk" is vastly different to yours, I suspect. And even then, I don't know if they could, given contracts with existing distributers and their non-profit status and whatnot.
[22:59] <WACOMalt> hmm there is an MCM nearby too. I'll check them out
[23:00] <WACOMalt> yeah by bulk I just mean combining orders. Like if adafruit would let me order all 24 I need, then I'd be ok with their shipping costs.
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[23:01] <WACOMalt> "Unfortunately, we sold out of our allotment, and are unsure when/if more will be available."
[23:02] <WACOMalt> I cant tell if that means there's almost no demand, or way too much.
[23:02] <WACOMalt> is there only one manufacturing facility producing pis?
[23:03] <SpeedEvil> It is very clear that the Zero is not freely available to retailers.
[23:03] <SpeedEvil> They are intentionally limiting orders because of this.
[23:04] <SpeedEvil> Exactly why this is is questionable, one hypothesis would be that the foundation would really rather you bought a 3
[23:04] <Berg> they are not available to our australian web retailers and official suppliers
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[23:04] <WACOMalt> dang, if that's the case that's pretty shady
[23:05] <WACOMalt> blargh, Microcenter has them in stock. 1 per household, again
[23:05] <WACOMalt> guess I'll just find some other board.
[23:05] <SpeedEvil> The zero has never been freely available, and has always been sharply limited in availability, often not being available at all.
[23:05] <SpeedEvil> If you actually need boards, get something else. Pi foundation or not.
[23:05] <WACOMalt> must be because they gave away so many on those magazines :P
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[23:06] <WACOMalt> actually... which magazine was that? maybe I can buy those backorders en masse :P
[23:06] <WACOMalt> *backissues
[23:06] <Berg> 40th edition
[23:06] <Berg> magpi
[23:07] <Berg> and no they dont distribute in australia
[23:07] <WACOMalt> and also out of stock
[23:07] <WACOMalt> (I'm in US)
[23:07] <Berg> sure
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[23:08] <Berg> your doomed *DOOMED*
[23:08] <WACOMalt> I wonder if they were actually making them for $5. This situation sounds to me like it was costing them too much to make them so they just sorta let it die.
[23:08] <Berg> try ebay
[23:08] <Berg> i dont spectulate
[23:08] <SpeedEvil> A less charitable interpretation is that the intent is to kill other platforms that were selling at slightly over $5, with a thing that isn't actually available.
[23:09] <Berg> or they have a sectet mind control chip in them and have enough victims
[23:09] <Berg> but i dont spectulate
[23:09] <Berg> secret
[23:10] <TheLostAdmin> my theory is clearly too mundane.
[23:10] <Berg> giving them away free with a magazine is a bit odd in itself
[23:11] <WACOMalt> true
[23:11] <mfa298> WACOMalt: they've been manufacturing the zeros at a pretty high rate, just the demand is that high
[23:11] <WACOMalt> makes it feel like it was an experiment they realized was failing. So they cut their losses and gave them away
[23:11] <WACOMalt> mfa298, gotcha
[23:11] <WACOMalt> well then that's good to hear
[23:11] <WACOMalt> I'll attempt my project a year from now lol
[23:12] <Berg> som epi owners have serveral zero's each so thats a lot
[23:12] <Berg> I dont have any
[23:13] <mfa298> if you search the forums you can find some numbers, from memory back around april/may it was said they were planning on making at least 250k of the zero by christmas.
[23:13] <Berg> still next one will be a zero that allowls world domination pinky
[23:13] <mfa298> and I suspect that number is now much higher than that
[23:13] <WACOMalt> what is an epi?
[23:14] <Berg> 250k is a drop on a bucket as to the demand
[23:14] <WACOMalt> oh typo, sorry
[23:14] <Berg> pi
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[23:14] <Berg> you need to learn ther new and improved australian typo language
[23:14] <mfa298> my guess is that the CM3 was going to have launched by now, but has been delayed due to the demand for zeros
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[23:14] <WACOMalt> what is CM3?
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[23:15] <mfa298> Compute module
[23:15] <WACOMalt> ah
[23:16] <WACOMalt> I actually dont understand what that is. I've seen it, but its just a card version of a pi?
[23:16] <mfa298> when the Pi3 launched it was stated there would be a CM3 and Pi3A within a few months
[23:16] <Berg> did you know lego is bias they dont have any male nurse figures just female and all the doctors are male
[23:17] <TheLostAdmin> how do you tell?
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[23:17] * WACOMalt swaps heads on those legos
[23:17] <WACOMalt> fixed!
[23:17] <Berg> http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/7763450-16x9-220x124.jpg
[23:17] <WACOMalt> yup, looks good to me :) problem solved
[23:17] <mfa298> WACOMalt: the Compute modules are just the SoC, Ram and eMMC memory on a small card with all the gpio on an edge connector, designed for industrial users that want to design their own board to mount it in.
[23:18] <WACOMalt> gotcha
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[23:19] <Berg> We need pi to start making all the modules like aduino has
[23:19] <Berg> throw those bread boards away
[23:19] <TheLostAdmin> or Berg could just buy arduinos again.
[23:19] <Berg> nar im not buying one them i desided against it
[23:20] <WACOMalt> how hard is it to work a Pi and arduino together?
[23:20] <Berg> well it is said you need a translator bettween them because of the 3v and 5v diff in power used
[23:20] <Berg> for the pins that is
[23:21] <Encrypt> <WACOMalt> Pi and arduino together // Hum (<.<)
[23:21] <Berg> I can see that its needed
[23:21] <Encrypt> Like making them talk to each other?
[23:21] <mfa298> I think some of the arduinos are 3v3 so less problems.
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[23:21] <TheLostAdmin> I'm pretty sure they both have an SPI interface (at least some arduinos). So, mostly it'll be in the software.
[23:22] <mfa298> or just go to an avr (or other uC) direct, and ditch the arduino pain
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[23:22] <WACOMalt> yeah Encrypt just getting them to talk
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[23:22] <WACOMalt> arduino has the benefit of immediate power on and more specific timing
[23:23] <Encrypt> Probably
[23:23] <Encrypt> But using a Raspberry Pi to command an Arduino is a bad idea imo
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[23:24] <Twist> Encrypt: Why? I often suggest that combination.
[23:24] <Berg> i think ill stick to asking for rpi compatable modules
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[23:25] <Encrypt> Twist, Because the Pi has pins to command other modules
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[23:25] <Encrypt> One of my friends who is studying robotics is working on a robot which has this kind of setup
[23:26] <mfa298> Pi and microcontroller (like arduino) together can be a good combo, you get the compute power on the Pi and (potentially) accurate timing on the microcontroller
[23:26] <Encrypt> An Odroid is connected to a microcontroller, which is connected to an IMU
[23:26] <Twist> Sure.. but they're 3v3, and the Pi can't hold tight timing like a dedicated microcontroller.
[23:26] <Encrypt> It's a real mess to develop it
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[23:26] <Twist> The pi is also a little less forgiving of wiring mistakes
[23:26] <Encrypt> The Odroid could have done all the work without any problem
[23:27] <Twist> At least not if you're running the common linuxes. I guess there's an RTOS or two out there.
[23:28] <Twist> WACOMalt: to answer the question, USB serial makes Pi to Arduino comms super easy
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[23:31] <mfa298> Encrypt: as to a Pi / Odroid doing everything, that depends on what you're trying to do. If you need accurate timing that's not easy to do under Linux as the kernel tends to mess things up.
[23:31] <Encrypt> I'm not sure about that
[23:31] <WACOMalt> Twist, oh cool, that came with my raspi 3 kit :D
[23:31] <Encrypt> Since you have to get the results and send the command anyway
[23:31] <WACOMalt> wasnt sure what to do with it really
[23:31] <Encrypt> So here is latency
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[23:32] <WACOMalt> ok I gotta bail. have a good afternoon guys!
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[23:32] <Berg> later
[23:32] <ali1234> there's really not much reason to use an arduino
[23:33] <Berg> only if you have a gift card that you cant by other brands with
[23:33] <Berg> but hay
[23:33] <ali1234> you have i2c and spi. can add adcs using that
[23:34] <ali1234> one possible use for an avr would be adding usb device mode to a pi B
[23:34] <ali1234> that's super niche though
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[23:35] <ali1234> and you wouldn't want to use an arduino for that
[23:35] <Berg> so hard to deside
[23:35] <Berg> im going to that store today
[23:35] <Berg> i might comer home with a drone yet
[23:35] <Berg> hehehe
[23:36] <ali1234> a drone navigation system is one good reason to use a microcontroller
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[23:36] <stiv> an arduino uses less power than a pi
[23:36] <Twist> They're just not the same class of device.
[23:36] <Berg> sure if you dont turn it on
[23:36] <ali1234> but you'd want something more powerful than an AVR for that, probably
[23:37] <Twist> People seem to get them confused because they both have IO pins, and have hobby electronics communities around them.
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[23:38] <ali1234> well to be fair the capabilities are very similar if you use wiring
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[23:38] <ali1234> which most people do
[23:38] <Berg> we need a piece of wire you put 5v in one end and 3v comes out the other and vice-versa
[23:38] <ali1234> then connect it to processing
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[23:38] <Berg> the adc stuff will fly on its own
[23:39] <Berg> well should
[23:39] <ali1234> if you actually need a microcontroller then you probably need to break out the assembly code
[23:40] <stiv> or just use the c compiler
[23:40] <mfa298> some of the above would be why I don't like "arduino", I use the same chips but write native AVR code. It's not much harder but you get to use the whole power of the chip. It also means you can choose what voltage IO you want (most of my AVRs run at 3v3 so could interface directly with a Pi)
[23:40] <stiv> arduino: low power + analog i/o. pi: multi-tasking os + USB
[23:40] <ali1234> using wiring does not prevent you from using 3.3V IO
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[23:41] <shauno> the boards that call themselves 'arduino pro' are 3.3v too
[23:41] <ali1234> right, all the arduino clones have a trace that you cut
[23:41] <ali1234> or solder
[23:41] <mfa298> ali1234: true, but when people talk about arduino they seem to assume it's 5v and you have to use the arduino libraries
[23:42] <shauno> although these days, I tend to treat arduino as an sdk rather than hardware. especially with all this stupid brand-bickering going on
[23:42] <Berg> I dont wona learn arduino
[23:42] <ali1234> nobody should learn arduino
[23:43] <ali1234> it's a really horrible SDK
[23:43] <ali1234> it makes even javascript and lua microcontrollers look sensible
[23:43] <stiv> unless you actually, like, need an arduino
[23:43] <Berg> sounds like potty training all over again and i got sick of that when i was ten
[23:43] <mfa298> you buy an atmega 328 and usbasp and it probably costs less than an arduino.
[23:44] <mfa298> then when you want different hardware in the micro you look at the other options
[23:44] <ali1234> start with atmega32u4
[23:44] <ali1234> it doesn't require any programming hardware at all since it has a DFU bootloader
[23:44] <ali1234> unless you buy an arduino, then they delete the DFU bootloader and replace it with a broken serial emulation based one
[23:45] <mfa298> I think the first one I used was the 32u2 as someone did a small board with it on and the usb A plug to use it
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