#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2016-09-25

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[18:15] <shauno> I'd love to figure out why I seem to be entirely incapable of soldering pin-headers. I'm happy with almost anything else, but .. aaaaargh
[18:15] <Habbie> can you solder other things?
[18:15] <ShorTie> not enough heat ??
[18:16] <Voop> take one of those xacto blade looking tips
[18:16] <Voop> and run it across the pins on an angle
[18:16] <ShorTie> you tinning the board ??
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[18:19] <sir_galahad_ad> the problem i have with pin headers is usually too much heat, the plastic starts melting
[18:19] <shauno> I'm pretty convinced that tinning the board would just cause more problems. they're not huge pads, so I'd just end up filling the holes
[18:20] <shauno> it does seem like the right direction though, because that's exactly the issue I have - solder balls up on the pins and won't wick to the pads
[18:21] <Habbie> sir_galahad_ad, you manage to melt the plastic through the board?
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[18:22] <sir_galahad_ad> you say 'though the board' but that's still only a milimeter from the heat source along a conductor
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[18:24] <mfa298> too much heat might also mean you burn off the flux before it can do it's job.
[18:24] <mfa298> most of the bad solder jobs I've seen have been down to too much heat rather than not enough
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[18:26] <sir_galahad_ad> you mean the flux in the solder?
[18:26] <mfa298> yes
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[18:27] <mfa298> the flux is there to help clean off the bits your soldering and help the solder flow where it's supposed to go.
[18:27] <shauno> hm, that I could play with. mine does 200-450C, and I usually have it cranked max
[18:27] <mfa298> if the iron is too hot the flux goes before it can do it's job.
[18:28] <Habbie> shauno, 350 is plenty
[18:28] <ShorTie> i'd guess more in the 300-350 range
[18:28] <mfa298> your solder may well tell you how hot it needs to be on the pack
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[18:29] <sir_galahad_ad> the sold flowed fine around the pads, just the plastic on the pins melted a bit not that it matters i have one of those cheap irons that isn't adjustable
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[18:29] <sir_galahad_ad> *sold=solder
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[18:29] <Voop> yeah dont put it on max
[18:29] <oscarandjo_> Hi, I want to check what Raspberry Pi I have, the only issue is I only have SSH access to it
[18:29] <Voop> and slather the board in flux
[18:29] <oscarandjo_> Is there a way to check via software
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[18:30] <Voop> does it have 4 usb ports
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[18:30] <Voop> does it have wifi and bluetooth
[18:30] <oscarandjo_> It has no bluetooth
[18:30] <oscarandjo_> And I had to put a WiFi USB stick in
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[18:30] <Voop> does it have 4 usb ports? 2x2
[18:30] <Habbie> oscarandjo_, http://elinux.org/RPi_HardwareHistory
[18:31] <sir_galahad_ad> Voop: if 'don't put it on max' was to me then you missed the bit where "i have on of those cheap irons that isn't adjustable"
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[18:31] <oscarandjo_> lsusb has "Bus 001 Device 001-004"
[18:31] <mfa298> oscarandjo_: cat /proc/cpuinfo has details (you might need to decode them)
[18:31] <Habbie> see my url for decoding them
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[18:31] <oscarandjo_> Thanks a lot Habbie and mfa298 - will check out
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[18:31] <Habbie> you can also install wiringPi and type 'gpio readall', it will do the decoding for you and tell you the model
[18:31] <Voop> sir_galahad_ad, no it was at shauno who said "i crank it to max"
[18:31] <sir_galahad_ad> ah
[18:32] <Voop> i used to do that and runied a few boards
[18:32] <sir_galahad_ad> Voop: my mistake then :)
[18:32] <oscarandjo_> Thanks, I've got a model B 2.0 - very helpful and quick response thanks guys
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[18:37] <reser> Isn't there a network-online.target one can use?
[18:37] <reser> Oops, nvm
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[18:39] <shauno> hm. at 350 I'm not melting solder, just bending it
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[18:43] <shauno> not helped by this solder being incredibly fine, and not wanting to wait 5 years for more to show up from ebay :/
[18:43] <ali1234> reser: systemd has a "network online" target but it doesn't actually mean that the network is online
[18:44] <reser> Well, thats confusing
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[18:45] <ali1234> see https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/NetworkTarget/
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[18:47] <ali1234> note that by default raspbian uses ifup/ifdown, which don't integrate with systemd, and so "network-online" means exactly the same as "network"
[18:48] <reser> ah, ok
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[19:01] <malinus> I'm very dissapointed to find out that there are no framebuffer linux drivers for the HD44780 :(. I guess it's time to get to work.
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[19:03] <malinus> One might think that's silly, but hey - it should be doable.
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[19:15] <gordonDrogon> it's silly - not really a 'framebuffer' ...
[19:15] <martin290> yesterday i was trying to get samba to work (access the raspberry pi files from a windows pc), and it kept asking me for a username and password, i made a username and created a password for samba, but it still wasn't working... is there anything else y'all can think of that maybe i'm not doing?
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[19:16] <gordonDrogon> also, have you seen this: http://lcdproc.omnipotent.net/ ( malinus )
[19:16] <gordonDrogon> martin290, depending on the setup - did you run smbpasswd to create the samba username/password?
[19:16] <martin290> gordonDrogon: that's exactly what i did
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[19:17] <gordonDrogon> ok, then, er ...
[19:17] <malinus> gordonDrogon: well I was thinking about a real framebuffer - like the fbtft
[19:17] <malinus> But for a 2x16 display :'D
[19:18] <gordonDrogon> malinus, doesn't the framebuffer stuff assume a dot-addressable type display?
[19:18] <malinus> hey, I'm not that far in the documentation yet. But thanks for pointing that out.
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[19:20] <gordonDrogon> you could write a tty driver for it and create a device now then run a getty on it - with a keyboard of some sorts.. maybe.. ?
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[19:21] <martin290> if i want to install php on my pi, should i use php 5.6 or 7.0 (7.0 isn't currently in the jessie repository)
[19:21] <malinus> Ah, that's actually a nice idea, thanks gordonDrogon
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[19:26] <gordonDrogon> right. back to the cupboards under the sink to fix the electrics I just broke...
[19:26] <gordonDrogon> although it's getting dark here now - got to see if my extension & worklight is long enough..
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[19:28] * Zeno` hands gordonDrogon a Davy lamp
[19:28] <Zeno`> better than a canary!
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[19:30] <Zeno`> but... not much
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[19:30] <Niharika> Hey all! I just got my first ever raspberry pi and I'm super excited to use it! :)
[19:31] <Zeno`> nice, Niharika :)
[19:32] <Niharika> Thanks Zeno!
[19:32] <Zeno`> what are you going to use it for?
[19:33] <Rickta59> isn't that a character display malinus ?
[19:34] <Niharika> Zeno`: I have a couple of stereo speakers and an old webcam lying around, collecting dust. I'm hoping to make it into some sort of music streaming/CCTV project.
[19:34] <Niharika> If you got any ideas or helpful links, I'm all ears!
[19:34] <malinus> Rickta59: it is, I guess I would need to make a tty driver like gordonDrogon suggested to make it work the way I wanted (2x16 tty)
[19:35] <Rickta59> or just a user level program that is twiddling the pins
[19:35] <Rickta59> do you want to use it as a graphics display or just as character output
[19:35] <malinus> Rickta59: how would I make it work as a tty output then?
[19:36] <malinus> I want to use it as a tty, characters only, no color.
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[19:36] <Rickta59> https://cdn-learn.adafruit.com/downloads/pdf/drive-a-16x2-lcd-directly-with-a-raspberry-pi.pdf
[19:36] <malinus> yeah, I still need to make a tty driver as far as I understand.
[19:37] <Rickta59> i don't think so
[19:37] <Zeno`> nickdastain, a worthy goal for sure
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[19:38] <Rickta59> does it have a serial interface on it? malinus
[19:38] <Rickta59> it all depends on which module you have ..
[19:39] <Rickta59> the hd44780 by itself is driving using writing to either 4 pins or 8 + some control pins
[19:39] <malinus> Not really, no. I can easliy make a driver (or a user space program for that matter) that displays whatever I want. That's not the issue
[19:40] <malinus> What I'm trying to is to make linux handle it like a tty.
[19:40] <Rickta59> but some providers put an spi or i2c or even uart on it
[19:40] <malinus> yeah that's not on mine, but it doesn't really matter as I've said.
[19:40] <malinus> Driving it/display what I want is the easy part.
[19:41] <Rickta59> have you found the lcd4linux thing?
[19:42] <malinus> yeah, still not what I want though
[19:42] <Rickta59> so you want to do what exactly .. open up a tty ? and have it go out via the 4 bit interface?
[19:43] <malinus> Yes, exactly. The display will show the output of a tty.
[19:43] <malinus> I know - it's useless :)
[19:44] <Rickta59> not sure why but ok
[19:44] <Rickta59> do you want to learn about drivers?
[19:45] <malinus> Yeah, I've only done basic stuff (examples from LDD3 etc.). I want to do something (a bit) more useful/fun.
[19:45] <Rickta59> do you know about mcus?
[19:45] <Rickta59> would be easier to slap an mcu in from of the lcd
[19:45] <malinus> sure, I've got a heap
[19:46] <Rickta59> and then talk to that over a serial link
[19:46] <Rickta59> or i2c
[19:46] <Rickta59> or spi
[19:47] <malinus> Okay sure, it doesn't really matter what/how the display is driven (whatever it's directly from the rpi or I add some layers). I guess what I want to do is figure out how tty drivers work :).
[19:47] <Rickta59> so start looking at character device drives
[19:47] <Rickta59> drivers
[19:47] <Rickta59> and then go from there
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[19:48] <Rickta59> http://developer.axis.com/old/documentation/old/software/linux/device_drivers-howto.html maybe google a little
[19:48] <malinus> Yeah like I've said, that's not the problem.
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[19:49] <Rickta59> that last link seems to be similar to what you want
[19:49] <malinus> Well anyway, thanks.
[19:50] <malinus> I rather stick with the good old LDD3 - hopefully we get a new one soon :)
[19:50] <Rickta59> that last link created a /dev/lcd as a character device and interfaced to an hd44780
[19:50] <Rickta59> echo "blah" >/dev/lcd
[19:51] <Rickta59> at first i was wondering if you wanted to use the lcd as a graphics framebuffer
[19:52] <Rickta59> which i guess would be possible although you would have to constantly write custom characters
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[19:53] <Rickta59> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HugwQ4b9iBU something like that
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[19:54] <malinus> Rickta59: nah I still want the display to work as a tty. And a device driver is the first step, yes.
[19:55] <Rickta59> what is the second step?
[19:55] <malinus> I'm not sure, that's what I'm trying to figure out :D
[19:55] <Rickta59> once you have a device driver you are done
[19:56] <Rickta59> echo "success" >/dev/yourcustomdrivername
[19:56] <malinus> That's not what I want. I want a tty that is connected to that display.
[19:56] <Zeno`> PIC16F18854 <--- I order NOW!
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[19:59] <Rickta59> what does that mean .. a tty that is connected to that display?
[19:59] <Rickta59> if you want a real tty that means real pins going to something
[19:59] <Rickta59> and a real tty uart on the rpi being consumed
[19:59] <malinus> So I would be able to run agetty on that display, and it would handle stdin/out etc. etc. Just like your normal display device is capable of.
[20:00] <malinus> nono I guess I'm still not clear enough
[20:00] <Rickta59> then your best bet is to use a real external device like an msp430 and have its tx and rx connected to the uart port
[20:01] <Rickta59> or connected via a usb dongle
[20:01] <malinus> I'm not sure how that would help archive anything. It really doesn't matter whatever I have between the display and the rpi
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[20:02] <malinus> I should still be able to abstract it into a tty in the driver, no?
[20:02] <Rickta59> so you have 2 alternatives
[20:03] <malinus> No matter whatever the real interface is actually serial/i2c/usb etc.
[20:03] <Rickta59> create another tty device and have that interface to the hd44780
[20:03] <Rickta59> or
[20:04] <Rickta59> create a physical device that is external to the pi and have it use an existing tty port on the pi
[20:04] <Rickta59> which could be the one on the gpio or another level of indirection with a usb serial device
[20:04] <Rickta59> and when i say create i mean you have to write a tty driver
[20:05] <malinus> okay, now we are on the same page, great :).
[20:05] <Rickta59> and that tty driver would looks like a tty device .. with all its quirks
[20:05] <malinus> yeah, that's what I'm thinking
[20:05] <Rickta59> and underneat be reading and writing to the 4 pins and controlling the r/w
[20:05] <Rickta59> so what i'm saying about having a tty driver .. you are done because then you are done
[20:06] <Rickta59> if it acts like a tty
[20:06] <Rickta59> then it is a tty
[20:06] <malinus> well character device driver != tty
[20:06] <Rickta59> right .. so you have to create a tty driver ... which happens to be a superset of a character driver
[20:07] <Rickta59> it has to respond to all the things a tty driver responds to
[20:07] <malinus> yeah, I guess it has some extra stuff, like clearing lines etc.
[20:07] <Rickta59> open, close, tty_ioctl
[20:07] <Rickta59> etc
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[20:08] <malinus> yeah lot of ioctl stuff specific for the tty I guess.
[20:08] <Rickta59> i mean that is what those usb serial drivers do
[20:08] <Rickta59> that is what the usb gadget does
[20:08] <Rickta59> that is what the ftdi usb driver does
[20:08] <Rickta59> so lots of examples of how to do it
[20:08] <Rickta59> cdc_acm
[20:08] <Rickta59> ftdi driver
[20:09] <Rickta59> usb_gadget
[20:09] <malinus> right, thanks
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[20:10] <Rickta59> even serial_core.c
[20:11] <Rickta59> i look at the effort involved and think .. hmm .. perfect solution for a chip
[20:11] <Rickta59> :)
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[20:12] <malinus> hehe
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[20:12] <Rickta59> i have some of those tft lcd screens i keep meaning to put together a framebuffer and driver for them
[20:13] <Rickta59> but then i connect up via ethernet and run tightvnc server and think .. why
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[20:13] <malinus> Rickta59: take a look at https://github.com/notro/fbtft - there might already be one for them
[20:13] <Rickta59> yeah that is what i mean
[20:13] <Rickta59> it is just a matter of wiring it up and compiling
[20:13] <Rickta59> but the other solution is just too easy
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[20:14] <Rickta59> a more interesting thing to me might be to create a mcu based xserver
[20:14] <Rickta59> or an mcu based tightvnc server
[20:14] <Rickta59> and then talk to that over serial
[20:15] <Rickta59> some guy did a vnc server thing for the esp8266
[20:15] <Rickta59> for doing some game
[20:16] <malinus> I've never looked at the x server and/or vnc documentation. But I could image it would take quiet a while, and I'm suprised esp8266 can handle it.
[20:16] <Habbie> remember that while the esp8266 is super weak
[20:16] <Habbie> it is not a 8086 PC
[20:17] <Habbie> it has 10-15 years on it
[20:17] <Habbie> people could do amazing things back then with very little hardware
[20:17] <malinus> Well they send peopel to the moon and back with less than a 8086
[20:17] <malinus> t
[20:18] <malinus> Question - Is the kernel you get from the offical raspberrypi repos just compiled with "bcm2709_defconfig"?
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[20:19] <Habbie> i have an official kernel here
[20:19] <Habbie> how do i check?
[20:20] <teclo-> Habbie: uname -a most likely
[20:21] <malinus> I'm not sure you can, unless it's saved in /boot
[20:21] <Habbie> teclo-, i doubt that would tell me about bcm2709_defconfig
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[20:23] <Habbie> was worried i had to take apart my whole 12V + level shifter setup to make my LED ring work in addition to my LED strip
[20:23] <Habbie> but i can just tie it to PWM -as well-
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[20:23] <Lartza> Does the founmdation even compile an "official" kernel?
[20:23] <Lartza> *foundation
[20:23] <Habbie> also this ws2812 thing apparently is happy at 3v3 logic level
[20:24] <Habbie> ThePendulum, i got actual 2812s now and they don't need the level converter
[20:24] <ThePendulum> nice
[20:24] <ThePendulum> Yeah I've had success with mine as well
[20:24] <malinus> Lartza: what else would they do? Well someone from the foundation is compiling, and someone is providing it on their repo :)
[20:24] <Habbie> i'm surprised the colors are in sync
[20:24] <Lartza> malinus, I can't see a kernel in the foundation repo
[20:24] <Habbie> i thought ws2812 was RGB while my sm16703 was GRB
[20:25] <malinus> Lartza: https://github.com/raspberrypi
[20:25] <malinus> that's the offical repo - as far as I know anyway
[20:26] <Lartza> malinus, Oh right I was thinking of a package repo when you talked about compiling
[20:26] <Habbie> strandtest.py comments: red wipe; blue wipe; green wipe
[20:26] <Habbie> actual results: green; red; blue
[20:26] <malinus> Lartza: wait, new kernel versions are not provided trough the package repo as well. I just assumed that.
[20:26] <Habbie> thoroughly confused now
[20:27] <Lartza> malinus, What?
[20:27] <Habbie> malinus, yes, they are
[20:27] <Lartza> What do you really want to know?
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[20:28] <malinus> What I'm asking is the default build config of those binaries
[20:28] <Lartza> Raspbian? Arch? Ubuntu?
[20:28] <malinus> The offical distro (raspbian)
[20:28] <Habbie> huh, my sm16703 strip is happy at 3v3 suddenly
[20:28] <Habbie> everything is confusing
[20:29] <Habbie> but, when i do that the ws2812 goes bonkers
[20:29] <Habbie> so magical
[20:30] <Lartza> malinus, Uhh well it's a config :D
[20:30] <Lartza> And no it's not bcm2709_defconfig
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[20:33] <malinus> Lartza: any idea where I could find it :)?
[20:33] <Lartza> What's the current kernel for raspbian?
[20:33] <Lartza> Version
[20:33] <Habbie> wow the ws2812 considers anything above 0.7V a 1
[20:34] <malinus> 4.4.13
[20:34] <malinus> I think :P
[20:34] <malinus> let me double check
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[20:36] <Habbie> 4.4.13-v7+ here
[20:36] <Habbie> so yes
[20:38] <Lartza> how the...
[20:38] <Habbie> ?
[20:38] <Lartza> Raspbian confuses me
[20:40] <malinus> I think the current 4.4 branch is at .22
[20:40] <Lartza> It is yes
[20:41] <Lartza> I can't find a 4.4.13 kernel
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[20:41] <Habbie> it's in apt
[20:41] <Lartza> because I don't even know
[20:41] <Lartza> Probably is yeah
[20:42] <Lartza> That doesn't really help me
[20:42] <malinus> Yeah I doubt the config is with it
[20:42] <Habbie> so what problem are we solving, Lartza?
[20:42] <Lartza> Trying to find the raspbian kernel config
[20:42] <malinus> I'm trying to compile the kernel with the same settings as the one provided by raspbian (+ my own settings)
[20:43] <Lartza> malinus, Why aren't you just going the debian route of recompiling?
[20:43] <Lartza> also /proc/config.gz should have the config of the current running kernel (if that's compiled in)
[20:43] <malinus> cross compiling
[20:43] <Habbie> Lartza, it's not
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[20:43] <malinus> yeah it's not Lartza :(
[20:43] <Lartza> :/
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[20:44] <Lartza> I just can't for the life of me figure out the raspbian repo
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[20:49] <Lartza> Is the version number for the deb package of the kernel not 4.4.13?
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[20:52] <Habbie> ii raspberrypi-kernel 1.20160620-1 armhf Raspberry Pi bootloader
[20:52] <Habbie> it is not
[20:53] <Habbie> btw, raspberrypi-kernel-headers contains /usr/src/linux-headers-4.4.13+/.config
[20:53] <Lartza> Whyyyyyyy
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[20:54] <ali1234> Lartza: because the pi foundation "don't know anything about debian packaging"
[20:55] <Lartza> Although I can't find a raspberrypi-kernel package either
[20:55] <Lartza> ali1234, Foundation has nothing to do with Raspbian though
[20:55] <ali1234> Lartza: those packages aren't made by raspbian
[20:55] <Lartza> They could be, nothing to stop that
[20:55] <ali1234> raspbian has it's own kernel packages which are packaged correctly (according to debian methods) and have the correct version numbers
[20:56] <Lartza> So then
[20:56] <ali1234> see linux-image-rpi
[20:56] <Lartza> I am confused...
[20:56] <malinus> Habbie: thanks!
[20:56] <ali1234> yes, we all are confused about why the foundation and raspbian can't cooperate to produce correctly packaged kernels
[20:57] <ali1234> notice that linux-image-rpi is horribly out of date
[20:57] <malinus> that's what I needed, I didn't even think it could be in the headers, tought
[20:57] <ali1234> the newest one is 4.4
[20:57] <Lartza> I can't find anything called linux-image-rpi
[20:57] <ali1234> .0
[20:57] <Lartza> malinus, I mean, apt-get source is a thing too...
[20:58] <ali1234> http://paste.debian.net/840787/
[20:58] <Lartza> oh right linux-image
[20:58] <Lartza> yeah that's a metapackage so I didn't find it
[20:58] <ali1234> ah 4.4.6 is the newest
[20:59] <Lartza> I have no idea where raspberrypi-kernel comes from still
[20:59] <ali1234> http://paste.debian.net/840788/
[20:59] <ali1234> raspberrypi-kernel comes from the foundation repo
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[21:00] <ali1234> raspberrypi-kernel comes from http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian/
[21:00] <ali1234> linux-image-rpi comes from http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/
[21:00] <Lartza> Yeah the
[21:01] <Lartza> It's source package is raspberrypi-firmware that's why I couldn't find it
[21:01] <ali1234> yes. it used to be one giant package with the bootloader, kernel, modules, everything
[21:03] <NGC3982> I'm using Sixad to search and use my PS3 controllers in OSMC. I can't find any documentation on it, but is there a way to run it in the background permanently?
[21:03] <NGC3982> So that as soon as i use the search button on the controller it activates on the RPI.
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[21:04] <ali1234> sounds like a job for systemd and udev
[21:04] <coolpup> psh
[21:04] <coolpup> n00bs
[21:04] <NGC3982> I guess i could force the system to start a screen with the command running
[21:05] <NGC3982> Ignoring the fact that it might support being a daemon..
[21:05] <ali1234> just use a simple daemon
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[21:20] <ninjai> Is there anything out htere that exists that is a wifi remote control for the pi that is able to power it on? With Wake On Lan or sometihng?
[21:20] <ninjai> i'm looking to have a pi as a media player, but would prefer wifi remote over IR
[21:21] <NGC3982> ali1234: It seems like that was purposly removed.
[21:21] <coolpup> could use a home automation power plug, xfinity or one of those that would normally control a floor lamp
[21:21] <coolpup> I mean not xfinity for pi.. but theres one.. trying to think
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[21:22] <Habbie> ninjai, have you considered that just leaving it on is pretty cheap?
[21:24] <ninjai> no I haven't
[21:24] <ninjai> I honestly have no idea what it would cost for power, even though I'm sure it's not much
[21:25] <Habbie> in my country (NL) where power is super expensive, it would be under EUR 20 a year
[21:25] <Habbie> way under
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[21:26] <ninjai> what would the pi consume for power per year?
[21:26] <Habbie> so it's 5V, up to 2 amps, which is 10W
[21:26] <Habbie> which is 0.01 kWh per hour
[21:26] <Habbie> i pay 20 cents per kWh
[21:27] <Habbie> which comes to 17.50 a year
[21:27] <Habbie> assuming it is drawing the full 2A all the time
[21:27] <Habbie> which it might not
[21:27] <Habbie> which it probably won't, in fact
[21:27] <ninjai> hm
[21:27] <ninjai> I just looked up our rates
[21:28] <ninjai> 10.29
[21:28] <Habbie> what currency?
[21:28] <ninjai> cents
[21:28] <ninjai> CAD
[21:28] <Habbie> ah
[21:28] <Habbie> so 9 CAD a year
[21:28] <Habbie> if it draws full 2 amps
[21:28] <Habbie> which it won't
[21:28] <ninjai> 10.29 cents is about half of your rates... so that is pretty cheap then lol
[21:28] <Habbie> our power is terribly expensive
[21:28] <Habbie> my 0.20 eur is 0.30 cad
[21:28] <ninjai> in that case I'm set, I just need to use the existing wifi remote I have
[21:29] <ninjai> expensive!
[21:29] <Habbie> very
[21:29] <Habbie> about 70% of it is taxes
[21:29] <ninjai> :|
[21:29] <ninjai> does anyone know if it's possible to install the kodi addon exodus in rasplex?
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[21:46] <malinus> The rpi can't even draw 2 amps
[21:47] <malinus> you need some usb device for that
[21:47] <malinus> I think 1/10th would be a fair assumption (1W)
[21:48] <ozzzy> my rip gateway runs just peachy from a USB port
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[21:50] <Cromaglious_> grrr aircrack doesn't like RTL8723BU adapters
[21:51] <Cromaglious_> though they work pretty good for wifi and bluetooth
[21:51] <Cromaglious_> and at the same time
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[22:45] <insomnia> Ok my fellow nerds.
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[22:45] <ozzzy> no nerds here... only geeks
[22:45] <insomnia> I'm beginning construction of my first Lego Raspberry Pi datacenter.
[22:45] <insomnia> I'm going to stream it on Twitch
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[22:46] <insomnia> while watching "invasion of the saucer men"
[22:46] <insomnia> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjtASrKtpos
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[22:54] <oscarandjo> Hi, I currently have midori starting at boot through LXDE autostart. Is there a launch parameter I can apply such that the browser will refresh until it successfully loads a website - Unfortunately the midori is starting before the web server has completely started
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