#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2017-02-12

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:00] <GreeningGalaxy> well, they all either come from the UK or the PRC, right?
[0:00] <JakeSays> there isnt
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[0:00] <hmoney> they have distributors that then have resellers
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[0:00] <cnnx> cool
[0:00] <cnnx> thanks for the info guys
[0:00] <hmoney> you're almost always buying from a reseller but really not much markup
[0:00] <cnnx> ill watch some youtubes
[0:00] <JakeSays> lol
[0:00] <cnnx> btw
[0:00] <cnnx> is it pretty fast?
[0:00] <cnnx> for 1.2ghz
[0:00] <cnnx> 4 cores?
[0:00] <GreeningGalaxy> I think they have some kind of mandated retail price point, because you never see variation among reputable resellers
[0:00] <hmoney> idk gflops or w/e but it is pretty quick
[0:01] <GreeningGalaxy> that's why the Zero has just been unavailable instead of having its price jacked up to meet demand
[0:01] <cnnx> the sbc i have now has
[0:01] <cnnx> 400MHz ARM9 CPU
[0:01] <hmoney> it can do 1080p playback well for video
[0:01] <cnnx> is it a lot faster than that?
[0:01] <cnnx> i have this now
[0:01] <cnnx> https://www.embeddedarm.com/products/TS-4200
[0:01] <cnnx> in my robot
[0:01] <JakeSays> cnnx: um, its a ton faster than that
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[0:02] <cnnx> good stuff
[0:02] <hmoney> you should just buy one and play with it :P
[0:02] <cnnx> okay
[0:02] <GreeningGalaxy> my uni's robotics club just ordered ten Pi 3s to use as robot brains
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[0:02] <cnnx> it wont break the bank for an adult
[0:02] <nicolas17> hi
[0:02] <cnnx> what is it 30$?
[0:02] <GreeningGalaxy> 35 for the 3, usually
[0:02] <hmoney> it's around $50 when you include the extras you need
[0:02] <nicolas17> my raspi's activity LED blinks when there is access to the SD card
[0:02] <cnnx> ok
[0:02] <cnnx> better than buying a 3000$ mbp
[0:03] <hmoney> $35 for pi, $10 for microsd, then you need a micro usb cable and 5v 2.5a charger
[0:03] <nicolas17> I connected an external USB hard disk, can I make the LED blink when there is access to the disk too?
[0:03] <GreeningGalaxy> and a case, unless you always handle it with kid gloves and have a remarkably clean house
[0:03] <cnnx> arm is a different architecture than intel right
[0:03] <nicolas17> cnnx: yes
[0:03] <JakeSays> so in europe, a power cord has brown and blue wires. is the brown positive, or is the blue?
[0:03] <hmoney> ye
[0:03] <cnnx> the instruction codes are different (RISC) right?
[0:03] <GreeningGalaxy> indeed
[0:03] <cnnx> so the machine language is different in ASM?
[0:03] <hmoney> nicolas you mean the raspi led?
[0:03] <cnnx> interrupts etc?
[0:04] <hmoney> 2lowlevel4me
[0:04] <cnnx> ok
[0:04] <JakeSays> GreeningGalaxy: who are you indeed'ing to?
[0:04] <cnnx> i like C
[0:04] <nicolas17> JakeSays: there is no such thing as "positive wire" in alternate current :P
[0:04] <cnnx> asm is a bit hard
[0:04] <GreeningGalaxy> yes, the instruction set is different.
[0:04] <nicolas17> hmoney: yes
[0:04] <nicolas17> hmoney: I want the ACT LED to blink on access to /dev/sda
[0:04] <JakeSays> nicolas17: there is
[0:04] <cnnx> why didnt they put WIFI AC
[0:04] <cnnx> why just B/G/N?
[0:04] <hmoney> i could've sworn i read somewhere the raspi3 LED wasnt able to be programmed as easily as the rpi2 and below
[0:04] <GreeningGalaxy> because the board costs $35, cnnx
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[0:04] <cnnx> do you guys recommend the case?
[0:04] <nicolas17> hmoney: that's good because I have a 1B
[0:05] <GreeningGalaxy> they can't just spare no expense and put in every little feature
[0:05] <JakeSays> cnnx: yeah i always get some sort of case
[0:05] <cnnx> whats the highest capacity sdcard i can put in it
[0:05] <cnnx> 128gb?
[0:05] <GreeningGalaxy> took them long enough to find a low-cost way of putting wifi on the board at all. be glad we got 802.11n and not just b/g
[0:05] <methuzla> cnnx: why do you want a pi? what would you do with it?
[0:05] <cnnx> hows the disk I/O speed compared to ssd?
[0:05] <hmoney> nicolas17: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=12530
[0:06] <GreeningGalaxy> if you want that much space, get a small SD card and a USB hard drive. giant SD cards aren't worth the money.
[0:06] <hmoney> scroll down a bit, a guy gives a full explanation on how to modify the pi's leds
[0:06] <cnnx> does it have usb 3?
[0:06] <nicolas17> cnnx: no, only usb2
[0:06] <cnnx> so its too slow
[0:06] <nicolas17> hmoney: doh, I searched for 'led' in my /sys
[0:06] <cnnx> for I/O
[0:06] <nicolas17> instead of leds
[0:06] <JakeSays> nicolas17: well, they're considered 'live' and 'neutral', but pretty much the same thing
[0:06] <hmoney> cnnx: the ethernet port and 4 USB are all on the same bus which maxes out at like 40mb
[0:06] <GreeningGalaxy> look, you aren't going to get lightning-fast I/O from a Pi at all. MicroSDs are designed for fast bulk writes and not much else.
[0:07] <cnnx> ok
[0:07] <methuzla> cnnx: why do you want a pi? what would you do with it?
[0:07] <GreeningGalaxy> if you want it to go fast, you'll have to go minimal. I can get mine to boot in about 8 seconds with Void linux
[0:07] <hmoney> class 10 hdxc cards should have the highest I/O tho
[0:07] <cnnx> is there other sbc's that run linux with usb 3?
[0:08] <GreeningGalaxy> cnnx: sure, look at ODROID. they have a ~$75 board with USB 3.0 and a very hefty CPU.
[0:08] <hmoney> exact I/O writeup: https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blogs/jeff-geerling/raspberry-pi-microsd-card
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[0:08] <cnnx> GreeningGalaxy: okay
[0:09] <cnnx> GreeningGalaxy: its still sub 100$
[0:09] <cnnx> GreeningGalaxy: not bad right?
[0:09] <hmoney> doesnt the network PXE boot on the raspi boot in like 2 seconds?
[0:09] <nicolas17> hmoney: not sure if I can
[0:09] <hmoney> nic :(
[0:09] <nicolas17> I mean
[0:09] <nicolas17> I could set the trigger to 'none'
[0:09] <GreeningGalaxy> ODROIDs use faster eMMC modules for their main storage, and the XU4 has USB 3.0
[0:09] <hmoney> cant you just attach an led to a gpio pin and control that?
[0:09] <nicolas17> and write my own program to watch for disk I/O somehow :P
[0:10] <cnnx> GreeningGalaxy: it has a wider bus too?
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[0:10] <GreeningGalaxy> you mean more GPIOs? I don't think so, I think it's just 40 pins split between two headers
[0:10] <nicolas17> but I can't just change the trigger from its default "mmc0" to "sda"
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[0:10] <cnnx> GreeningGalaxy: no.. more BUS speed.. will i get the transfer speed of usb 3.0 for disk i/o on the usb stick?
[0:11] <hmoney> that's an older forum post, do newer forum posts say the same thing nicolas17?
[0:11] <nicolas17> hmoney: I looked myself
[0:11] <GreeningGalaxy> oh, I have no idea
[0:11] <nicolas17> pi@raspberrypi:/sys/class/leds/led0 $ cat trigger
[0:11] <nicolas17> none kbd-scrollock kbd-numlock kbd-capslock kbd-kanalock kbd-shiftlock kbd-altgrlock kbd-ctrllock kbd-altlock kbd-shiftllock kbd-shiftrlock kbd-ctrlllock kbd-ctrlrlock [mmc0] timer oneshot heartbeat backlight gpio cpu0 default-on input
[0:11] <nicolas17> none of those trigger options seem to really fit :P
[0:11] <cnnx> odroid has much less people in #odroid than #raspberrypi
[0:11] <cnnx> less known sbc?
[0:11] <nicolas17> well yeah, raspi is surely the most popular
[0:11] <hmoney> yeah the raspi community is really the only one of its size
[0:11] <methuzla> cnnx: thus my original comment
[0:11] <GreeningGalaxy> cnnx: yes, as I said, RPi has by far the biggest userbase.
[0:11] <cnnx> ok
[0:12] <cnnx> i'll have to think about it
[0:12] <hmoney> well if you decide not to get a pi, that's okay. just know we will hate you for it
[0:12] <hmoney> :P
[0:12] <cnnx> oh
[0:12] <cnnx> odroid looks crazy powerfull
[0:13] <cnnx> 8 core cpu 2ghz
[0:13] <hmoney> some of those other boards can do some decent 4k playback at ++hz
[0:13] <GreeningGalaxy> I think the ODROID XU4 is mainly designed as a wee budget server. Lots of cores, fast I/O and wired networking, and not much else.
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[0:14] <cnnx> whats the rpi designed for
[0:14] <methuzla> learning
[0:14] <hmoney> idk i think that's really changed. the rpi foundation claims they're doing it for kids to learn to code, and i dont doubt that. but the majority of people are using them for tinkering projects
[0:15] <GreeningGalaxy> and those people are learning. :P
[0:15] <hmoney> retropie setups, gameboys, etc
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[0:15] <hmoney> ye true, but they're not 6 year olds like the rpi's website suggests -.-
[0:15] <nicolas17> eh, the same was the case for LEGO Robotics
[0:15] <nicolas17> there were 6 year olds using the LEGO Mindstorms
[0:16] <nicolas17> but sometimes their parents were making alternative firmwares :P
[0:16] <dr_willis> 'but honey, im buying theses legos for the kids... not me..'
[0:16] <GreeningGalaxy> nobody gets a Pi because they want to learn to code. People get a Pi because they want to put together a cool project and haven't programmed before, and need a place to start.
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[0:16] <cnnx> the odroid looks like for hard core hackers
[0:16] <cnnx> not so user friendly
[0:16] <hmoney> i guess i meant their target market hasnt changed yet their customers have
[0:17] <GreeningGalaxy> I think getting an ODROID running would be about as hard as getting an RPi running, honestly. It's just that when some driver doesn't work or you can't figure something out, there won't be many people to turn to
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[0:17] <hmoney> yeah agreed
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[0:18] <GreeningGalaxy> I like the look of the C2. I might get one, the built-in ADC, off-GPIO serial debug interface, and faster CPU are tempting.
[0:19] <hmoney> for your robot?
[0:19] <cnnx> what do you guys do with your rpi
[0:19] <GreeningGalaxy> nah, probably for physics research stuff, which is most of what I use RPis for these days
[0:20] <GreeningGalaxy> I have like 5 or 6 Pis of various types that belong in varying degrees to myself and my department.
[0:20] <cnnx> GreeningGalaxy: whats a C2?
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[0:20] <GreeningGalaxy> ODROID C2
[0:20] <nicolas17> I'm currently (like *right now*) using my rpi to upload lots of data
[0:20] <cnnx> GreeningGalaxy: cool what do you like about it
[0:20] <nicolas17> because it's silent and I can leave it running 24/7
[0:20] <cnnx> im asking questions in #odroid but no one is answering
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[0:20] <cnnx> weird
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[0:21] <nicolas17> it's saturday, people have other things to do :P
[0:21] <GreeningGalaxy> cnnx: silent, low-power, doesn't mind running forever, and has a GPIO interface that can connect to arbitrary instrumentation
[0:21] <nicolas17> how many hours did you wait for an answer?
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[0:21] <cnnx> GreeningGalaxy: i never learned to use my GPIO pins on my embeddedarm.com cpu
[0:21] <cnnx> what could you do with those pins?
[0:21] <hmoney> all the things
[0:21] <GreeningGalaxy> literally anything
[0:21] <hmoney> people setup sprinkler systems
[0:22] <hmoney> setup lighting behind their tv
[0:22] <hmoney> weather stations with different sensors
[0:22] <cnnx> i used phidget interfaces to conect to motor controllers that drive my dc motors on my robot, could ihave used the gpio pins to power the motors directly?
[0:22] <hmoney> with 3.3v
[0:22] <GreeningGalaxy> you can set them to 0/3.3V through software whenever you like, and with pretty good switching characteristics, so the possibilities are very diverse
[0:22] <GreeningGalaxy> I would NOT use the pins to power motors directly. Get MOSFETs.
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[0:22] <cnnx> ok
[0:23] <cnnx> my knowledge of electronics is not advanced
[0:23] <cnnx> beginner
[0:23] <cnnx> thats why i bought phidget
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[0:23] <nicolas17> the max current of the GPIO pins is pretty low
[0:23] <GreeningGalaxy> running LEDs off of them is usually alright, but nothing bigger.
[0:23] <cnnx> and i know you can set each pin on or off or read its state right? either 0V or +3.3V ?
[0:23] <GreeningGalaxy> (where 'bigger' means 'lower impedance')
[0:23] <dr_willis> been learning arduino stuff the last few months. the knowledge from it - i can apply to the pi as well. ;)
[0:23] <GreeningGalaxy> cnnx: yup, just so
[0:23] <cnnx> and some of the pins are GND
[0:24] <cnnx> so you can write your own driver?
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[0:24] <cnnx> to drive a device via the gpio?
[0:24] <cnnx> the driver will process the state of the pins?
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[0:24] <GreeningGalaxy> some are always 0V, and two each are always 3.3V and 5V. The rest are software-configurable.
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[0:25] <cnnx> i may get the rpi just because i like the support in here already compared to odroid
[0:25] <methuzla> cnnx: do you know any programming languages?
[0:25] <GreeningGalaxy> Some of the pins are also serial interfaces (e.g. SPI, I2C) in addition to GPIOs. And two of them are supposed to be for reading EEPROMs on HATs, and nobody tells you that you can use them, but you can.
[0:25] <cnnx> yes
[0:25] <cnnx> C
[0:25] <cnnx> php
[0:25] <cnnx> html
[0:25] <cnnx> css
[0:25] <cnnx> SQL
[0:25] <dr_willis> http://pinout.xyz/ has a good info on the pins.
[0:25] <cnnx> and learning python
[0:25] <methuzla> html is not a programming language
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[0:25] <cnnx> you're right, its a markup language
[0:25] <cnnx> so still language
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[0:26] * GreeningGalaxy grumbles: php is debatably a programming language, even if it technically meets the definition.
[0:26] <nicolas17> lol
[0:26] <cnnx> where can i go buy one tonight?
[0:26] <cnnx> rpi
[0:27] <methuzla> for C look at wiringpi, for python look at RPi.GPIO or (theres another? just called gpio?)
[0:27] <cnnx> walmart/
[0:27] <cnnx> ?
[0:27] <nicolas17> you already know the most important language needed for programming anyway
[0:27] <dr_willis> frys electronics in USA. or MicroCenter
[0:27] <cnnx> im in canada
[0:27] <cnnx> best buy?
[0:27] <dr_willis> Never seen them at beast buy here.
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[0:28] <dr_willis> Radio shack i think was supposed to start stocking them.
[0:28] <nicolas17> really?
[0:28] <cnnx> let me check thesource
[0:28] <cnnx> we dont have radio shack any longer here
[0:28] <GreeningGalaxy> there's one for python called pigpiod, has some interesting extra features like DMA controller PWM
[0:28] <dr_willis> but all the Radio Shacks here - closed down.
[0:28] <nicolas17> I thought radioshack would have them since forever
[0:28] <dr_willis> Radioshack around here - was just another cellphone store. with some junk in the back for us old timers.
[0:28] <GreeningGalaxy> the only place I know has them in Chicago is Micro Center, and there's only one of those in the whole city
[0:28] <cnnx> yeah thesource has it
[0:28] <cnnx> but says ONLINE ONLY
[0:29] <nicolas17> impatient kids these days
[0:29] <dr_willis> order 2 pis :) you will want more..
[0:29] <nicolas17> I bought it online
[0:29] <swift110> lol
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[0:29] <swift110> pis are cool
[0:29] <nicolas17> sent it to my dad's hotel when he went to the US
[0:29] <GreeningGalaxy> I get everything online because I'm less impatient than I am willing to ride a dreadful CTA bus out to MC
[0:29] <nicolas17> then he brought it in his luggage
[0:29] <swift110> dr_willis: radio shacks here are closing down quite a bit as well
[0:29] <cnnx> http://www.thesource.ca/en-ca/computers-and-tablets/computer-components-and-parts/raspberry-pi-3-model-b-project-board-computer-starter-kit/p/108046566
[0:29] <cnnx> 100$
[0:30] <cnnx> has psu
[0:30] <cnnx> plastic case
[0:30] <cnnx> and the latest pi3
[0:30] <cnnx> right?
[0:30] <dr_willis> some starter kits are a bit overpriced.
[0:30] <cnnx> and 16gb
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[0:30] <nicolas17> yeah, some kits are overpriced
[0:30] <nicolas17> but then you try to buy the components individually, and find you have to pay shipping separately for each, and some take a lot longer, and you have to get things from multiple places, and... meh just gimme the kit
[0:31] <dr_willis> it is worth splurging on a decent pi PS. seem way too many people have issues, that were due to cheap PS's
[0:31] <dr_willis> cases are subjective. :) i do like this 'flic' pi case. but its not really good for working with the pins.
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[0:31] <cnnx> is it good to have irssi running on it 24/7 over wifi?
[0:32] <dr_willis> I got one case with LEGO pegs on it. and a Gopro mount.
[0:32] <GreeningGalaxy> Pibow Coupé is my favorite. Has the GPIO numbers marked.
[0:32] <nicolas17> why not
[0:32] <nicolas17> dr_willis: ooohhh
[0:32] <dr_willis> cnnx, had weechat running for months on mine.
[0:32] <GreeningGalaxy> cnnx: sure, I've racked up months of uptime on mine
[0:32] <dr_willis> weechat+znc
[0:32] <nicolas17> dr_willis: is its size a multiple of LEGO sizes too?
[0:32] <GreeningGalaxy> I think it is, yeah, I've seen some great lego cases
[0:33] <cnnx> some kits are expensive
[0:33] <cnnx> weather monitor kit
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[0:33] <cnnx> whats that
[0:33] <nicolas17> GreeningGalaxy: that's cool
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[0:33] <dr_willis> https://www.amazon.com/compatible-SmartiPi-Raspberry-camera-GoPro/dp/B00UDP0A6Q/ref=sr_1_4?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1486855992&sr=1-4&keywords=smartpi
[0:33] <GreeningGalaxy> cnnx: because companies want to make more money than they would by selling the parts individually, since I don't think they really rake in much from just selling the boards alone
[0:33] <nicolas17> some day I should see if I can control my LEGO NXT from a raspi :)
[0:33] <GreeningGalaxy> cnnx: so they compensate by putting together kits with everything you need at a higher markup than usual
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[0:34] <cnnx> whats the sense HAT
[0:34] <GreeningGalaxy> I think there's hardware available to make the Pi a drop-in replacement for the NXT? where did I read that...
[0:34] <nicolas17> GreeningGalaxy: wow
[0:34] <nicolas17> well the new NXT just runs Linux
[0:34] <nicolas17> so maybe
[0:34] <GreeningGalaxy> here we are: http://www.legoengineering.com/introducing-brickpi-lego-bricks-with-a-raspberry-pi-brain/
[0:35] <nicolas17> the EV3 I mean
[0:36] <cnnx> can i compile latest version of linux kernel on it
[0:36] <GreeningGalaxy> cnnx: Sense HAT is an add-on board that brings in a number of sensors and an RGB LED matrix
[0:36] <cnnx> like my main linux computer has this
[0:36] <nicolas17> cnnx: I don't think the raspi has enough RAM to compile the kernel, and either way it would take a very long time, but you could cross-compile it from a computer
[0:36] <cnnx> Linux cactus 4.9.9-gentoo #1 SMP Sat Feb 11 15:21:01 EST 2017 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4790K CPU @ 4.00GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
[0:36] <GreeningGalaxy> I think it has most of the sensors a modern smartphone has. Magnetometer, gyroscope, I think also temp and baro
[0:36] <GreeningGalaxy> I believe you can run Gentoo on a Pi, so sure, why not
[0:36] <cnnx> gentoo? nice
[0:36] <GreeningGalaxy> go nuts
[0:36] <dr_willis> https://thepihut.com/collections/raspberry-pi-hats/products/raspberry-pi-sense-hat-astro-pi
[0:36] <cnnx> my fav os
[0:37] <cnnx> you guys use apple macs?
[0:37] <GreeningGalaxy> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi
[0:37] <dr_willis> i tried and gave up on apple stuff ages ago.
[0:37] <GreeningGalaxy> Nah, I use a Panasonic Toughbook for my main daily driver these days, running Manjaro
[0:37] <cnnx> dr_willis:me too.. my last mac was an emac in 2004
[0:38] <cnnx> but now i have an iphone and apple watch
[0:38] <GreeningGalaxy> I also have an HP Envy running Arch, but its hardware sucks and I hate it.
[0:38] <cnnx> and i like it
[0:38] <nicolas17> damn
[0:38] <cnnx> why damn
[0:38] <dr_willis> joy of linux. You can get by with cheaper hardware. ;)
[0:38] <nicolas17> I'm uploading several gigs of data from an external hard disk, using a raspi, this would be much more power-efficient if I could read a bunch of files and then spin down the disk
[0:38] <GreeningGalaxy> dr_willis: indeed
[0:38] <dr_willis> and often have fewer problems with older harwaare then new stuff.
[0:38] <nicolas17> but that would need a ton of scripting...
[0:39] <nicolas17> the data doesn't fit in the SD card
[0:39] <GreeningGalaxy> My first laptop was an ancient Dell Inspiron. Ran terribly under Windows XP, but Debian 6 Squeeze breathed new life into it
[0:41] <GreeningGalaxy> this machine has a 1.66 GHz Intel C2D and integrated Intel graphics, but still handles KDE without much trouble (although admittedly I did turn off all the graphical effects).
[0:41] <cnnx> my first laptop i bought new in 2000
[0:41] <cnnx> from compusa
[0:41] <cnnx> was a satellite toshiba
[0:41] <cnnx> 500mhz p3
[0:42] <cnnx> ran linux on it till hardware started failing hehe
[0:42] <cnnx> still have it though
[0:42] <cnnx> paid 2000$USD at the time
[0:42] <GreeningGalaxy> I've only ever bought one laptop new and it was that dreadful HP, lol. Honestly I feel like these days laptops are becoming more like cars, it makes more sense to always buy a good one used instead of whatever you can find new.
[0:43] <cnnx> i dont go tru laptops that often
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[0:43] <GreeningGalaxy> at least, that's absolutely true of Toughbooks, since new they cost like thousands of dollars
[0:43] <cnnx> im only on my second one since 2000
[0:43] <cnnx> they make them good
[0:43] <swift110> Which is why I love classic thinkpads
[0:43] <cnnx> thats what i have now
[0:43] <cnnx> thinkpad t420i
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[0:44] <GreeningGalaxy> I'm expecting this tb to last me a good few years. I don't like abandoning computers, so even if I get a new one in the next 5 or so I'll certainly keep this one around
[0:45] <cnnx> yeah i gotta let some of my hardware die out
[0:45] <cnnx> i buy too much of it
[0:45] <cnnx> my mother gives me a hard time
[0:45] <cnnx> "you already have a computer!" "you only need 1"
[0:45] <nicolas17> heh
[0:45] <nicolas17> when I gave my dad my raspi wishlist
[0:45] <GreeningGalaxy> When I got this, it had close to 14000 hours of runtime recorded in the little BIOS odometer thingy
[0:45] <nicolas17> I thought he was going to complain
[0:46] <cnnx> GreeningGalaxy: thats a cool feature
[0:46] <GreeningGalaxy> yeah, I'd not seen it before
[0:46] <nicolas17> instead, he purchased on amazon and got a suggestion for another accessory and said "hey this one looks cool, want one too?"
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[0:46] <GreeningGalaxy> I'm not sure if it counts time while it's asleep/hibernated, though. my guess is yes/no, respectively, but I don't know for sure
[0:46] <cnnx> problem is the way i take care of my computers they last a very long time
[0:46] <cnnx> so the chance of any hardware failing is far and between
[0:46] <alsaiduq> hey
[0:46] <GreeningGalaxy> that's the opposite of a problem
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[0:47] <cnnx> i know
[0:47] <cnnx> but i like new hardware
[0:47] <nicolas17> cnnx: ah the irony, if you destroyed your computers your mother would complain less? :P
[0:47] <cnnx> lol
[0:47] <alsaiduq> does anyone here ever used Rpi + OpenCV + Python?
[0:48] <cnnx> do you guys work in IT?
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[0:48] <swift110> cnnx: I am on an x201 right now. But I also own a t420
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[0:48] <cnnx> swift110: x201 is newer right?
[0:48] <cnnx> swift110: do you like macbooks ?
[0:48] <swift110> cnnx: x201 is older than the t420
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[0:50] <swift110> cnnx: I would like to have one for the variety of hardware but they are too expensive. why?
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[0:50] <cnnx> swift110: me too
[0:50] <GreeningGalaxy> I don't work in IT, but I am the de-facto IT lady for my physics department :P
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[0:50] <swift110> One reason I like the macbook pros is the aspect ratio of 16:10
[0:50] <alsaiduq> how do i do object tracking and following with Raspberrypi?
[0:51] <GreeningGalaxy> alsaiduq: what do you mean by that?
[0:52] <cnnx> GreeningGalaxy: cool.. I just started a new tech support job 2 weeks ago (still in training) for a big hosting provider (dedicated servers,vps,cloud,etc)
[0:52] <alsaiduq> GreeningGalaxy: I have a Rpi and a Camera, i'd like to use the camera to track and follow an object
[0:53] <GreeningGalaxy> you're talking about a problem whose mathematical structure is far more complicated than an implementation of it on a particular piece of hardware
[0:53] <nicolas17> alsaiduq: once you get OpenCV to grab an image from the camera, you should ask the rest in #opencv
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[0:54] <cnnx> GreeningGalaxy: its rare i see women on irc
[0:54] <GreeningGalaxy> cnnx: indeed, but it is very common for people to tell me that whenever I reveal that I am one. :P
[0:55] <cnnx> GreeningGalaxy: :)
[0:55] <cnnx> GreeningGalaxy: well maybe we can be friends?
[0:56] <nicolas17> GreeningGalaxy: it's annoying that that happens :/
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[0:57] <cnnx> going to eat some dinner
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[0:58] <mattwj2002> so my raspberrypi is talking to me now
[0:58] <mattwj2002> :)
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[0:59] <GreeningGalaxy> oh, has it been taken over by Alexa? I mean have you installed Alexa?
[0:59] <swift110> lol
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[1:01] <MuffinMedic> Hey guys, I posted this on /r/pihole but figured I would give here a shot as well - Here's the issue: https://redd.it/5thrgd
[1:02] <MuffinMedic> (nginx + pinhole for general topic)
[1:02] <MuffinMedic> pihole*
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[1:02] <mattwj2002> yes GreeningGalaxy
[1:03] <oq> MuffinMedic: shouldn't pihole be saying the dns lookup doesn't resolve at all rather than returning a fake ip?
[1:04] <MuffinMedic> I have no idea specifically but that's happening.
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[1:04] <MuffinMedic> Wait, these aren't non-resolving domains, they're blacklisted ones.
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[1:09] <cnnx> i'm back
[1:09] <cnnx> GreeningGalaxy: do you have a phd in physics ?
[1:09] <GreeningGalaxy> No, I'm an undergrad student, lol
[1:09] <cnnx> oh okay
[1:09] <cnnx> and you are in the usa ?
[1:09] <GreeningGalaxy> I may someday. Although it could just as easily be EE.
[1:09] <GreeningGalaxy> yeah, Chicago
[1:10] <cnnx> i'm in Montreal
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[1:10] <cnnx> i was thinking.. i have this motherboard with an AMD FX-8120 cpu on it on my shelf.. i could turn that into a NAS server at home
[1:10] <cnnx> with a case
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[1:16] <cnnx> GreeningGalaxy: i find this case sexy https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112478&cm_re=lian_li_case-_-11-112-478-_-Product
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[1:16] <cnnx> GreeningGalaxy: whats your opinion on it?
[1:16] <cnnx> i like the flat motherboard design on it
[1:16] <cnnx> been looking at it for years
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[1:22] <mattwj2002> cnnx: I won't buy from Canada....i don't think Trump would approve
[1:22] <mattwj2002> :P
[1:23] <cnnx> mattwj2002: i don't talk politics
[1:23] <mattwj2002> cnnx: sorry I was just making a joke....I respect that and will drop it :0
[1:23] <mattwj2002> :)
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[1:30] <mattwj2002> i have alexa-pi working but I don't know the hotword
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[1:36] <ShorTie> ooch ??
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[1:39] <mattwj2002> ShorTie: i found the issue
[1:39] <mattwj2002> I need to upgrade pulse version 6 for bluetooth pulse support :)
[1:39] <ShorTie> Cool
[1:39] <mattwj2002> I am hoping to have a bluetooth alexa rpi very soon
[1:40] <mattwj2002> rpi3 to be exact
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[1:49] <swift110> what ya nice mattwj2002
[1:49] <mattwj2002> swift110: huh?
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[1:49] <hmoney> translation: nice
[1:50] <mattwj2002> thanks hmoney
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[1:50] <hmoney> cnnx: real men use towers
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[1:54] <Oxygen> Raspbian installed custom kernel and rebooted, as per the Adafruit PiTFT guide. Display doesnt turn black, stays white. This indicates kernel didn't load properly. Any ideas?
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[2:01] <swift110> a bluetooth alexa pi sounds cool mattwj2002
[2:01] <mattwj2002> thanks swift110
[2:01] <mattwj2002> :d
[2:02] <mattwj2002> i think it works
[2:02] <immibis> does anyone happen to know the pinout of a PC floppy drive connector?
[2:02] <immibis> and voltages etc
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[2:05] <swift110> sure
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[2:06] <Oxygen> immibis, google it
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[2:07] <AlwaysAwkward> hi there
[2:08] <Oxygen> hi
[2:08] <Oxygen> how can we help?
[2:08] <Oxygen> welcome to #raspberrypi
[2:08] <AlwaysAwkward> I have some questions
[2:09] <AlwaysAwkward> I'd like to know what creative uses people gives to the pi without adding any hardware
[2:09] <AlwaysAwkward> except keyboard of course
[2:09] <immibis> Oxygen: oops, wrong channel
[2:09] <Oxygen> Is anyone here suffering from diabetic ketoacidosis?
[2:10] <nicolas17> that seems even more off-topic than the floppy drive
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[2:15] <mattwj2002> nicolas17: music floppy disks?
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[2:17] <immibis> good thing my 6-month-old PSU still has a floppy drive power connector for some reason :P
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[2:22] <mattwj2002> haha immibis
[2:23] <mattwj2002> i am going to give up on this project shortly
[2:23] <mattwj2002> too much time spent on it
[2:23] <mattwj2002> :)
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[2:26] <oq> immibis: you can buy adaptors to turn that connector into one to power a hdd or a fan or whatever
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[2:30] <mattwj2002> okay I totally messed it up
[2:30] <mattwj2002> oh well have a great night guys I am out of here
[2:30] <mattwj2002> bye! :)
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[2:39] <r5253> hey all, i have a pi 3 running noobs that's connected to the internet via a captive portal that the user submits auth details to. Now that it's connected, I want it to listen for commands.
[2:40] <r5253> But it's not like I can guarantee the router will allow a direct connection since this is supposed to be a device they would take to their workplace.
[2:40] <r5253> anyway, what's the best way to send commands to a device given all you know is that is has an internet connection?
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[2:42] <r5253> i feel like polling my aws web server url like every 30 sec is not scalable.
[2:43] <hmoney> dynamic dns
[2:43] <hmoney> or have the pi update a database or w/e with the new ip of the pi
[2:44] <hmoney> what's your ultimate goal? like what is the pi supposed to do from start to finish?
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[2:45] <r5253> for this part, it needs to function as a web recorder, starting and stopping a usb camera on command from the user using the web interface (aws)
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[2:45] <hmoney> yeah i dont think i know enough about that type of stuff :/
[2:46] <hmoney> just gotta wait for the right guy to wake up :P
[2:46] <r5253> it's not the camera stuff i'm worried about, it's just how to get the pi to listen for any command from my web server
[2:48] <hmoney> most likely people will tell you http requests or get fancy with jquery and the like
[2:49] <nicolas17> why even use http between the pi and the server?
[2:49] <hmoney> like http get and http post with the raspi listening
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[2:51] <nicolas17> do a TCP connection from the pi to the server, any side can send data at any time
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[2:52] <hmoney> can you link me to learn more about that nicolas17?
[2:52] <nicolas17> HTTP is on top of TCP and adds limitations
[2:52] <nicolas17> like "only client sends request"
[2:53] <nicolas17> but you can invent your own protocol going over tcp directly
[2:53] <r5253> nicolas17, but since http is tcp i'm guaranteed tcp can get out, right?
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[2:53] <nicolas17> I have no idea what your firewall allows or doesn't
[2:53] <nicolas17> but if you do an outgoing connection from the pi, you don't have problems with having to port-forward, or having to know the pi's IP address, etc
[2:54] <hmoney> makes sense
[2:54] <r5253> see but the idea is that i would sell these so i can't know the user's router config
[2:54] <nicolas17> you can't guarantee it will work
[2:55] <nicolas17> the router config could be "only allow connecting via HTTP to websites on a whitelist" :P
[2:55] <r5253> excluding the whitelist part, the whole tcp:80 thing is exactly why my first idea was polling
[2:55] <nicolas17> but using outgoing connections would be much easier to get working than allowing incoming connections
[2:57] <nicolas17> tbh it sounds worrying that you're designing an Internet-connected device you plan to sell without knowing the basics of networking
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[2:58] <hmoney> tbh the world as a whole does that
[2:58] <nicolas17> it sounds like your device will sooner or later appear in an article about how bad its network security is and be posted on twitter.com/internetofshit
[2:58] <nicolas17> along with all the others, as hmoney says :P
[2:58] <hmoney> IP cameras being shipped with default root pws
[3:00] <r5253> it's a proof of concept, i'd say. and besides, think about chromecast. it has to work on a variety of home networks and take commands on the fly. mine does the same thing
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[3:00] <nicolas17> chromecast doesn't receive commands from the outer internet
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[3:01] <nicolas17> and indeed, neither chromecast nor AppleTV work on large university networks because multicast packets are blocked
[3:01] <nicolas17> :P
[3:02] * hmoney wishes he didnt forget his cisco classes
[3:02] <r5253> welp, i've always hated that in terms of ux, so i'm trying to find a way around. polling is current leader.
[3:02] <nicolas17> https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/40397.html
[3:04] <hmoney> lol
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[3:07] <nicolas17> "The presence of "crash while flickering" suggests that "crash while bursting into flame" is a plausible failure mode. Coming back home to discover that the building has burnt down is not an acceptable trade-off in my life."
[3:08] <r5253> one more point is that mine specifically has an educational context
[3:09] <r5253> so it really does need to work on these big networks. that's where it'll be used 90%
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[3:10] <nicolas17> Apple uses multicast DNS for discovery of devices on the network
[3:10] <nicolas17> such as an iPhone discovering AppleTVs in the local network
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[3:11] <nicolas17> in a network like a university, that would cause a flood of packets through the entire university, and let any iPhone see any AppleTV even if it's in another building
[3:11] <nicolas17> and they don't want to make a subnet per dorm room or stuff like that
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[3:24] <r5253> oh what about websockets?
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[3:27] <nicolas17> what do websockets do that plain old network sockets don't?
[3:27] <nicolas17> apart from being usable from web browsers, which you don't care about
[3:28] <r5253> because they'll work over tcp port 80 which is the only port i'm guaranteed to have?
[3:28] <nicolas17> ah fair enough
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[3:35] <cub28> hello again
[3:36] <cub28> what type of sd card will be sufficient for my ras pi 3? i forgot...
[3:36] <fulcan> nicolas17: they are bidirectional
[3:37] <nicolas17> fulcan: so are TCP sockets, obviously
[3:37] <nicolas17> since everything runs on top of TCP, including... websockets :P
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[3:37] <cub28> i literally just ordered a pi3 and a 3.5 display
[3:38] <fulcan> nicolas17: but its hardwired to the kernel/apache
[3:38] <nicolas17> who said there's an apache here
[3:38] <fulcan> port 80. webserver
[3:39] <fulcan> you can do a socket connection on any port
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[3:39] <fulcan> i.e. rcp
[3:40] <immibis> cub28: any microsd card that's big enough AFAIK
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[4:01] <r5253> yeah i think i'm going to try and use a python websocket client lib. i hope that's generally open on ed networks, i feel like it's fairly common... i hope. Otherwise back to long poll
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[4:32] <GreeningGalaxy> I have this little USB wireless mouse. Works fine on laptops, but whenever I plug it into a Pi, it's both very slow and has a significant delay between being moved and having the pointer move onscreen. I never have any trouble with this mouse on any other kind of computer, or any trouble with any other mouse on an RPi. Any ideas?
[4:33] <nicolas17> huh
[4:33] <nicolas17> weird
[4:33] <nicolas17> slowness could be fixed in your X configuration (possibly through your desktop environment's GUI config)
[4:33] <nicolas17> but the delay is weird
[4:33] <GreeningGalaxy> yeah, that was my thought too.
[4:34] <GreeningGalaxy> Last time I saw that it was because the HDMI TV I was hooked up to had a nice little (not) delay built-in between the cable and the screen. None of that here.
[4:34] <nicolas17> any delay when typing?
[4:35] <GreeningGalaxy> nope.
[4:35] <nicolas17> yeah then it's not graphics
[4:35] <nicolas17> hm
[4:35] <GreeningGalaxy> and no delay with a different mouse on the otherwise unchanged setup, either, so definitely not graphics
[4:35] <GreeningGalaxy> I can get a wired mouse from my uni, it's not a big deal, I'm just curious
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[4:48] <overrider> I have a RPI3 and the official Raspberry 7" Touchscreen. I connected all up, but have had tremendous problems with Raspbian not starting, or the system going blank and resetting half-boot, etc. Obviously power issues, as no matter what i do i see the little lightning bolt in the top right corner of the screen. But this cannot be as i have an excellent Desktop power supply which should supply 4 Amps easily. Also in the meantime i am
[4:48] <overrider> powering the system from one regular wall plug AND the desktop power supply at the same time - i get Raspbian to boot fine, but the lightning icon just stays. What else could i do to troubleshoot this?
[4:49] <overrider> My Display is V1.1 , and i got two to make sure its not a display issue. Same thing
[4:50] <GreeningGalaxy> hmm. Anyone know if the Pi negotiates for power from its MicroUSB port? It might not be drawing all the power it needs because it can't get permission from the host.
[4:50] <nicolas17> I don't think it does
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[4:51] <GreeningGalaxy> yeah, I'm seeing a forum post that says no Pi has the data lines of the power port connected at all, and I think I can confirm from looking at my own board now
[4:51] <overrider> I tried supplying power directly to the 5V /GND pins also without going trough microUSB; same.
[4:52] <nicolas17> no idea, hopefully your board isn't damaged :/
[4:52] <GreeningGalaxy> can you measure the current it draws and see if it's excessive?
[4:52] <GreeningGalaxy> That could at least narrow down the problem
[4:54] <GreeningGalaxy> If it's got a bad part somewhere that's drawing a sizable current, it could be pegging your power supply. That would be consistent with what you said about connecting up two supplies fixing the problem.
[4:55] <overrider> I can see my power supply display says its drawing 262mA currently
[4:55] <overrider> Ive seen it go up to 800mA during boot or when opening chrome or doing something else with it, but it seems to go down to 300mA on average when idle
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[4:57] <GreeningGalaxy> that seems completely reasonable
[4:57] <overrider> Also i tried a new board as i have 2, i think its not it. Will try to upgrade my firmware shortly, maybe that helps. This Raspbian is from January 2017, so i don't have high hopes.
[4:58] <GreeningGalaxy> hmm, that is interesting
[4:59] <GreeningGalaxy> ...huh. My pi3 has a pair of empty solder blobs where the markings indicate C211 is supposed to be. The blobs look nice and even so I don't think it got torn off, but... can anyone with a Pi3 v1.2 confirm?
[5:00] <GreeningGalaxy> right between the BCM and the USB hub chip, close to U17
[5:00] <overrider> Same here
[5:01] <GreeningGalaxy> okay, good, probably not broken then :P
[5:01] <nicolas17> same here
[5:01] <overrider> Also R42, R15
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[5:01] <overrider> R78
[5:02] <overrider> A lot not assembled :-)
[5:02] <GreeningGalaxy> R56, too, and a whole row over by the ethernet jack, C86-C89
[5:03] <GreeningGalaxy> man, every time I feel like I understand a lot about electronics, I pick up and examine a Pi 3 for a while, and start to realize just how little I know.
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[5:11] <GreeningGalaxy> I wonder if those missing bits are some kind of compensation options for defects in certain parts. Like, if a certain MOSFET has a threshold voltage too far off from the ideal, they can find that out during production and add a resistor instead of tossing the board.
[5:11] <GreeningGalaxy> just a conjecture, no evidence or knowledge to back it up
[5:12] <GreeningGalaxy> or if an oscillator needs another capacitor for tuning purposes, that kind of thing
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[5:17] <clever> GreeningGalaxy: another case is the model a vs model b
[5:17] <clever> GreeningGalaxy: on the model A, a pair of 0 ohm resistors link the usb of the cpu directly to the 1st usb port, bypassing the hub (not populated)
[5:17] <clever> GreeningGalaxy: but on the model b, the 0ohm's are missing, and a hub connects the cpu to 2/4 usb ports
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[5:19] <GreeningGalaxy> oh right, because the Model A is basically a downgraded B, not the other way around, right?
[5:19] <nicolas17> yeah, so it's the same PCB with less components :)
[5:19] <nicolas17> afaik
[5:20] <GreeningGalaxy> I remember seeing pictures (never owned an A) and going whaaaaat why is there a big empty solder pad there
[5:21] <GreeningGalaxy> so it's a complete no-brainer that they went on to produce the A+ once they could get tooled up for more different board layouts, which actually shortens the board and gets rid of those extra pads, and also tosses the linear regulators from the first Pi
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[5:22] <GreeningGalaxy> it's cool to see how Pis have changed since the first model. I wonder what the next model will bring.
[5:22] <nicolas17> I have a 1B and a 3
[5:22] <nicolas17> so nothing is compatible :P
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[5:23] <nicolas17> can't use same cases or same OS
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[5:23] <nicolas17> otoh my 1B didn't come with a SD, but with a microSD in an adapter, so at least that's interchangeable
[5:24] <GreeningGalaxy> I have a 1B, two A+s, a 2, and two 3s, one of which is moderately damaged. I also have custody of at least one additional 3 and a couple of B+s through my university, but they aren't techically mine.
[5:24] <clever> GreeningGalaxy: http://raspi.tv/2016/raspberry-pi-family-photo-update-november-2016
[5:24] <clever> GreeningGalaxy: and http://raspi.tv/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Pi-Family-Photo-Master-Nov-2016_1500.jpg
[5:24] <GreeningGalaxy> oh, and I have a Zero 1.3, and also an original Zero that I can't find :/
[5:24] <nicolas17> ooh I want a zero
[5:25] <oq> GreeningGalaxy: do you have a c.h.i.p?
[5:25] <GreeningGalaxy> I had two Zero 1.3s, but one was killed by the dreaded solder drip D:
[5:25] <GreeningGalaxy> oq: Not yet! They've been sold out since I found out about them lol
[5:25] <nicolas17> what's the difference between B Rev 1 and B Rev 1 links?
[5:25] <clever> GreeningGalaxy: i was adding a reset button to my rpi3, and dripped some solder directly on the decoupling caps under the bloody cpu
[5:25] <oq> c.h.i.p.s shouldn't be sold out now
[5:26] <clever> GreeningGalaxy: but luckily, the caps had not been pre-heated, and it was a cold joint, it easily came off with zero damage
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[5:26] <GreeningGalaxy> I tried to pry mine off, but it was really under the BCM. prying it also took out one of the coupling caps.
[5:26] <nicolas17> D:
[5:26] <clever> i pried it off with a hot iron
[5:26] <GreeningGalaxy> it only cost a buck from Micro Center, but the value of Zeros is most decidedly not monetary.
[5:27] <clever> so it was just enough heat to loosen the drip, and not enough to melt anyting on the board
[5:27] <GreeningGalaxy> I wasn't clever enough to pull that off, I guess.
[5:28] * GreeningGalaxy couldn't resist, sorry
[5:28] <clever> heh :)
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[5:30] <nicolas17> okay I got my script working :D
[5:30] <GreeningGalaxy> I wanted to get a red B+ while I was in China but I never saw them for sale
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[5:30] <nicolas17> it will copy 20 files from the hard disk to the SD card, then spin down the disk
[5:31] <nicolas17> and upload them (which may take up to 24 hours)
[5:31] <nicolas17> then repeat with the next batch of 20
[5:31] <nicolas17> so the disk should remain off most of the time
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[5:44] <GreeningGalaxy> does the Wi-Fi configuration utility in PIXEL not save passwords? It makes me retype mine every time.
[5:45] <GreeningGalaxy> it also doesn't seem to want to support WPA2 Enterprise encryption which is most annoying. My uni just shut down its WPA2 Personal network and requires all students to use Enterprise.
[5:45] <nicolas17> any idea if it uses networkmanager under the hood?
[5:46] <nicolas17> or plain wpa_supplicant?
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[5:50] <GreeningGalaxy> I'm pretty sure it doesn't use nm. NetworkManager.service doesn't exist on my system right now.
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[5:51] <plugwash> <nicolas17> what's the difference between B Rev 1 and B Rev 1 links? -- the model B originally had a pair of low-rated polyfuses on the two USB ports, however these were found to cause more problems than they solved, so they were replaced with zero ohm links on later production rev 1 boards
[5:51] <plugwash> and removed completely on rev 2 boards
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[5:54] <GreeningGalaxy> huh, I didn't know that
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[9:47] <Amorris> Is the Raspberry Pi Zero programmed in Python?
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[9:51] <avu> Amorris: you can write programs running on the zero in Python if that's what you mean
[9:52] <avu> Amorris: it runs Linux just like the other models so it can run code written in pretty much any language
[9:53] <Amorris> avu: Thank you
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[9:57] <solars> hi, are there any alexa images for the pi1?
[9:57] <solars> or generally prebuilt images?
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[10:11] <immibis> well, apparently I managed to fry the 5V outputs on my explorer hat pro; I'm not even sure how exactly
[10:14] <immibis> but they now output 0.6 volts when on, and 0.68 volts when off
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[10:19] <immibis> unless they're only open collector outputs and i've been doing things wrong this whole time?
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[10:58] <gordonDrogon> good sunday morning!
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[10:59] <Habbie> hello!
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[11:10] <BurtyB> mornin
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[12:44] <cnnx> good morning
[12:45] <cnnx> what do you gyus think of this? https://www.amazon.ca/CanaKit-Raspberry-Complete-Starter-Kit/dp/B01CCF6V3A/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1486899634&sr=1-1-fkmr0&keywords=pasberry+pi+3
[12:45] <cnnx> i'm thinking of buying it
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[12:46] <Habbie> i don't understand how the SD reader works
[12:46] <Habbie> but generally this looks fine
[12:46] <cnnx> what do you mean
[12:46] <cnnx> sdcard is built in isn't it?
[12:47] <Habbie> there's a usb sd reader in this kit
[12:47] <Habbie> for use on your PC i presume
[12:47] <Habbie> but the picture confuses me
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[12:47] <cnnx> makes sense
[12:47] <aZz7eCh> lol look at it
[12:47] <aZz7eCh> shoved up the end
[12:47] <cnnx> to use it on your pc
[12:47] <Habbie> aZz7eCh, exactly
[12:47] <Habbie> cnnx, yes, it makes sense that it's there :)
[12:47] <Habbie> 5th picture
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[12:48] <cnnx> the price seems fine too
[12:48] <Habbie> yes
[12:48] <cnnx> cause 100$ cad is about 70$usd
[12:48] <cnnx> and you get a lot
[12:49] <cnnx> why do you need a heatsink?
[12:49] <cnnx> they include 2?
[12:49] <Habbie> you don't need it
[12:49] <cnnx> are they applied with thermal paste?
[12:49] <cnnx> ok
[12:50] <Habbie> my favourite local store does EUR 65 for pi+power+case+16gb sd
[12:50] <Habbie> no hdmi, no reader
[12:50] <Habbie> which is also 70$usd
[12:50] <Habbie> so yes, good deal
[12:50] <cnnx> my main display has hdmi but my second monitor which is older only has dvi/vga i think... do i need an adaptor too use it with it?
[12:50] <Habbie> yes
[12:50] <Habbie> hdmi<>dvi-adapters are very simple
[12:50] <Habbie> hdmi<>vga-adapters are tricky
[12:50] <Habbie> note that hdmi->dvi loses sound
[12:50] <cnnx> oh ok
[12:51] <cnnx> so i'll use hdmi
[12:51] <cnnx> on my 27
[12:51] <Habbie> https://www.amazon.ca/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=hdmi+dvi
[12:51] <Habbie> first two items here would work for you
[12:51] <cnnx> besides i just need it to set it up then i will ssh
[12:51] <Habbie> you can ssh from the start
[12:51] <Habbie> if you just image raspbian and put a file called 'ssh' on
[12:51] <cnnx> even on wifi?
[12:51] <cnnx> setup the paswswd
[12:51] <Habbie> you can also put wpa_supplicant.conf on there
[12:52] <cnnx> the noob comes with many distros?
[12:52] <Habbie> yes
[12:52] <cnnx> which do you use
[12:52] <Habbie> i use raspbian lite mostly
[12:52] <Habbie> on which wifi pre-setup does not work, i read
[12:52] <Habbie> but if you have a monitor and a keyboard, just setup with that, indeed
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[12:53] <cnnx> is there things in raspbian missing from the real debian?
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[12:53] <Habbie> i haven't noticed any
[12:53] <cnnx> so is it jessie?
[12:53] <cnnx> debian 8?
[12:53] <Habbie> yes
[12:54] <cnnx> ok
[12:54] <cnnx> i like that rpi is ARM cpu
[12:54] <Habbie> and note that if you install lite, you can just install anything you are missing compared to full
[12:54] <Habbie> what will you use the pi for?
[12:54] <cnnx> is there a future rpi comming out soon?
[12:54] <cnnx> well irssi/tmux for now 24/7
[12:54] <Habbie> ah
[12:54] <cnnx> so i dont lose my sessions
[12:54] <Habbie> lite is fine for that
[12:54] <cnnx> and some programming
[12:54] <Habbie> it's exactly what i'm typing from right now
[12:54] <cnnx> ok
[12:54] <Habbie> well, weechat/tmux, but same old
[12:54] <cnnx> cool
[12:55] <cnnx> how much did you spend total on your hardware
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[12:55] <cnnx> i wonder if a new version is comming out soon
[12:55] <Habbie> pi 2, feb 2015
[12:55] <Habbie> pi 3, feb 2016
[12:55] <Habbie> you can make assumptions from that
[12:55] <cnnx> ok
[12:55] <cnnx> so this one just came out
[12:55] <cnnx> last year
[12:55] <Habbie> yes
[12:55] <cnnx> a new one is comming out this month???
[12:55] <Habbie> you could assume that
[12:55] <cnnx> wow
[12:55] <cnnx> ill wait
[12:55] <Habbie> it could be wrong
[12:55] <Habbie> as for how much i spent
[12:56] <Habbie> i don't know
[12:56] <Habbie> i have like 5 pis, 3 cases, breadboards, LEDs, etc.
[12:56] <cnnx> sorry for pumping you with questions
[12:56] <cnnx> just curous
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[12:56] <Habbie> but the pi i'm ircing from now cost me 35-40 some time ago, it's a pi 2
[12:56] <Habbie> and i had a power supply lying around
[12:56] <cnnx> 5 pis thats cool
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[12:56] <cnnx> you will buy a new one?
[12:56] <cnnx> when it comes out
[12:56] <Habbie> depends on what awesome features it has
[12:57] <cnnx> maybe usb3 like odroid?
[12:57] <Habbie> for my irc needs, the pi2 is fine
[12:57] <Habbie> i might even host my mail on it
[12:57] <Habbie> not sure yet
[12:57] <cnnx> how can you do that with a dynamic ip?
[12:57] <cnnx> exim4 will freak out
[12:57] <cnnx> or postfix
[12:57] <Habbie> my ipv6 is static
[12:57] <Habbie> my ipv4 has been static in practice as well
[12:57] <cnnx> at home?
[12:57] <Habbie> yes
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[12:57] <Habbie> well the ipv6 is a tunnel
[12:58] <cnnx> can you get mail from ipv4 from your ipv6?
[12:58] <Habbie> but i have a bunch of static v4 and v6 stuff in a datacenter and i will tunnel from that
[12:58] <Habbie> no
[12:58] <Habbie> so inbound v4 mail will rely on that tunnel
[12:58] <Habbie> i have a /27
[12:58] <cnnx> i work for a dedicated host and vps/cloud provider
[12:58] <Habbie> so plenty of IPs
[12:58] <Habbie> right
[12:58] <Habbie> then you could do the same
[12:58] <cnnx> yeah
[12:58] <Habbie> get the smallest VM, one or two IPs, take it home
[12:59] <cnnx> but
[12:59] <cnnx> how do you host on your pi
[12:59] <cnnx> at home
[12:59] <Habbie> i would run postfix+dovecot i think
[12:59] <cnnx> its better to host it on your vps
[12:59] <Habbie> or is that not the question
[12:59] <Habbie> well i don't want my mail sitting on someone else's shared vps storage
[12:59] <Habbie> other than that, yes, vps would be better :)
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[12:59] <cnnx> im just trying to think with a changing ip how it would work for my home
[12:59] <cnnx> i have fiber
[12:59] <cnnx> 10mbps
[13:00] <cnnx> im sure it changes
[13:00] <Habbie> it would work because you tunnel your static IP from your vps
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[13:00] <cnnx> oh
[13:00] <Habbie> i'm not saying you should do this, i'm just saying it is possible and it is what i will be doing
[13:00] <cnnx> you mean the A record of your mail server is on your vps which connects to my home server (rpi) via openvpn or soemthing?
[13:00] <Habbie> either on the pi2 or the pcengines apu
[13:00] <Habbie> cnnx, exactly
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[13:01] <cnnx> interesting
[13:01] <cnnx> does it slow things down?
[13:01] <Habbie> if the path via your vps is a lot longer than without it, sure
[13:01] <Habbie> but my vps will be quite close network-wise
[13:01] <Habbie> .nl is a small country
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[13:02] <Habbie> i have 11ms to my colo right now, the vps will be similar
[13:02] <cnnx> you're in .nl?
[13:02] <Habbie> honestly the limited bandwidth at home will be the real issue
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[13:02] <Habbie> yes
[13:02] <cnnx> you probably know the company i work for
[13:02] <cnnx> its in europe
[13:02] <cnnx> but im in canada
[13:02] <Habbie> which one?
[13:02] <cnnx> largest hosting provider in europe
[13:02] <cnnx> guess
[13:02] <Habbie> ovh? 1und1?
[13:02] <cnnx> yup, 1st one
[13:02] <Habbie> ah :)
[13:03] <cnnx> only been there 2 weeks
[13:03] <cnnx> still in training
[13:03] <Habbie> fun times
[13:03] <cnnx> ill do tech support
[13:03] <cnnx> what do you do
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[13:03] <Habbie> i work for powerdns, i do development, tech support, research, sales
[13:03] <Habbie> you know powerdns?
[13:03] <cnnx> yes.. are they like dyndns?
[13:03] <Habbie> no, we're a software company
[13:04] <cnnx> oh ok
[13:04] <Habbie> i bet there is some of our stuff in ovh :)
[13:04] <cnnx> cool
[13:04] <cnnx> how long you been there
[13:04] <Habbie> 5 years and a bit
[13:04] <cnnx> nice
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[13:04] <Habbie> before that i was in cloud/vps hosting ;)
[13:04] <cnnx> did you not like it?
[13:04] <Habbie> i did not like it at that company, at least :)
[13:04] <cnnx> ok
[13:05] <Habbie> was a developer in theory but had to do chaos sysadmin all the time
[13:05] <cnnx> haha
[13:05] <Habbie> brb
[13:05] <cnnx> ok
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[13:08] <cnnx> Habbie: i used to play with bind/named and install it on my servers, would get messy sometimes updating all the zones manually, and then i setup a slave server to replicate the master
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[13:08] <cnnx> i guess just need to get experience with it
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[13:14] <cnnx> the rpi doesnt have a RTC? thats disapointing
[13:14] <cnnx> needs to run ntpclient all the time?
[13:15] <Habbie> lack of rtc just means you lose the clock on powerdown
[13:15] <Habbie> when it's up the kernel will just keep time
[13:15] <Habbie> but just run ntpd all the time
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[13:15] <Habbie> or systemd-timed
[13:16] * mlelstv waits for systemd-vmlinuxd and finally systemd-systemd.
[13:16] <cnnx> ok
[13:16] <cnnx> rpi 4 looks good
[13:16] <cnnx> they say usb 3
[13:16] <cnnx> and 2gb maybe 4gb ram
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[13:16] <cnnx> no release date that I can find
[13:17] <cnnx> just rumours
[13:17] <cnnx> its like the new mac mini im waiting for
[13:17] <cnnx> i have no idea when its comming out
[13:18] <Habbie> mac mini?
[13:18] <Habbie> haven't we been waiting for that for 5 years now?
[13:18] <ShorTie> foundation never says anything about future pi's, so it is just someones rumor
[13:18] <cnnx> since 2014
[13:18] <cnnx> ok i need to convince myself to spend the 100$ at amazon
[13:19] <cnnx> i just got 1 paycheck from this new job already
[13:19] <cnnx> but it was only for 1 week
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[13:19] <Habbie> cnnx, have you considered that you might be able to get away with spending just $40?
[13:19] <Habbie> cnnx, like i said, that's what i spent on my irc pi
[13:19] <cnnx> Habbie: hmmm
[13:19] <Habbie> it's just hanging from a utp cable in my wiring closet
[13:19] <cnnx> i still need the PSU,hdmi cable
[13:19] <Habbie> i want to nail it to the wall
[13:19] <cnnx> it will come to close to 100
[13:19] <cnnx> and a case
[13:19] <Habbie> sure, if you don't have those things lying around it's different
[13:19] <cnnx> to avoid damage
[13:20] <Habbie> well i don't have a case on it ;)
[13:20] <Habbie> you can also buid a lego case
[13:20] <cnnx> i built a robot in 2011 with a sbc from embeddedarm.com
[13:20] <cnnx> a ts4200
[13:20] <cnnx> ARM9 cpu and 400mh
[13:20] <cnnx> mhz
[13:20] <cnnx> paid 300$ back then
[13:20] <cnnx> so expensive
[13:20] <ShorTie> i mount mine to a piece of 3" channel
[13:20] <Habbie> channel?
[13:20] <cnnx> i never put a caising around it
[13:20] <cnnx> channel?
[13:21] <ShorTie> ya, steel channel
[13:21] <cnnx> i don't understand
[13:21] <ShorTie> gives them some wieght
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[13:21] <Habbie> oh so they stay down
[13:21] <cnnx> is there a place here in montreal that would sell it on a shelf in a retail store?
[13:21] <cnnx> i would go buy it by bus since i dont drive
[13:21] <cnnx> the rpi
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[13:22] <Habbie> cnnx, i don't know, but what good would that do compared to amazon?
[13:22] <cnnx> would be more expensive you mean?
[13:22] <Habbie> don't know
[13:22] <Habbie> might be
[13:22] <Habbie> steel channel: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=steel+channel&atb=v33-7__&iax=1&ia=images
[13:22] <Habbie> i just need to buy some spacers so i can screw it into the plate of wood that's behind it already
[13:22] <cnnx> oh
[13:23] <cnnx> on my embeddedarm sbc i put screws on the board into wood on the robot
[13:23] <ShorTie> ah, old bic pen make great spacers
[13:23] <cnnx> no spacers
[13:23] <cnnx> direct
[13:23] <cnnx> wood is non conductive as you know
[13:23] <Habbie> ShorTie, yes, maybe i should just hack something up
[13:23] <Habbie> cnnx, yes but if you screw too tightly you break the stuff on the bottom
[13:24] <cnnx> grrrr. cant remember my password for icloud to show you a pic
[13:24] <cnnx> this is bad
[13:24] <Habbie> use imgur
[13:24] <cnnx> my photos are on icloud
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[13:24] <cnnx> ok go it
[13:24] <cnnx> got
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[13:26] <cnnx> Habbie: i don't use imgur, I created my own hosting service last year
[13:26] <Habbie> ah
[13:26] <cnnx> Habbie: https://www.linksforpics.com/files/robot-SP5u69Tsx5.jpg
[13:26] <cnnx> just uploaded to it
[13:26] <Habbie> cute
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[13:27] <cnnx> hehe ty
[13:27] <cnnx> there's 2 motherboards on 1
[13:27] <cnnx> on is the arm sbc
[13:27] <cnnx> the other an atom motherboard
[13:27] <cnnx> uses phidget interface
[13:27] <cnnx> motor controlers
[13:27] <cnnx> dc motors
[13:27] <Habbie> why two boards?
[13:27] <cnnx> pump for the water
[13:27] <cnnx> to seperate functions
[13:27] <cnnx> wanted to design it that way
[13:27] <Habbie> does the arm board run some realtime kernel?
[13:28] <cnnx> i wrote a C program that controls it
[13:28] <cnnx> just debian
[13:28] <Habbie> ah
[13:28] <cnnx> but remember
[13:28] <Habbie> i could understand the split if one of them was realtime
[13:28] <cnnx> this was designed and built in 2011
[13:28] <Habbie> uhuh
[13:28] <cnnx> spend about 2k back then
[13:28] <cnnx> for everything
[13:28] <cnnx> pieces
[13:28] <cnnx> couple webcams
[13:28] <cnnx> sensors for object detection
[13:28] <cnnx> speakers
[13:29] <cnnx> wifi
[13:29] <cnnx> it was a fun project
[13:29] <cnnx> next one i wanted to make an outdoor robot with solar
[13:30] <cnnx> Habbie: still here?
[13:30] <Habbie> yes
[13:30] <cnnx> ok
[13:31] <cnnx> im in my early 40s, how bout you?
[13:31] <cnnx> it says rpi is for kids
[13:31] <cnnx> hehe
[13:31] <Habbie> 36
[13:31] <Habbie> rpi is not just for kids
[13:31] <cnnx> ok
[13:32] <mlelstv> rpi is for kids, physical and mental ones.
[13:32] <cnnx> :)
[13:32] * ShorTie throws the trump card @ 56, lol.
[13:33] <cnnx> unless there's a better kit i might order the one from amazon today
[13:33] <cnnx> ill get it wednesday
[13:33] <Habbie> my irc pi http://imgur.com/7IxI0TO
[13:33] <cnnx> i even have amazon prime
[13:33] <cnnx> cool
[13:33] <cnnx> whats that black tower
[13:33] <Habbie> synology diskstation ds411
[13:33] <Habbie> 4 disk NAS
[13:34] <cnnx> sas or sata?
[13:34] <cnnx> or hdd
[13:34] <Habbie> sata
[13:34] <cnnx> ok
[13:34] <Habbie> hdd
[13:34] <Habbie> 4x3tb
[13:34] <cnnx> at home?
[13:34] <Habbie> yes
[13:34] <cnnx> you backup all your stuff to it?
[13:34] <Habbie> that's the plan but i'm not very good at it yet ;)
[13:34] <cnnx> raid 1 config?
[13:34] <Habbie> md2 : active raid10 sda3[0] sdd3[3] sdc3[2] sdb3[1]
[13:35] <cnnx> raid 10
[13:35] <cnnx> nice
[13:35] <cnnx> double raid
[13:35] <Habbie> it's that or raid1+linear
[13:35] <cnnx> ok
[13:35] <Habbie> 5.5T usable in any case
[13:35] <cnnx> how do you back it up?
[13:35] <cnnx> scp?
[13:35] <cnnx> with cron scripts?
[13:35] <Habbie> i have duplicity set up but i'm not happy with it
[13:35] <Habbie> think i'll go for cron+rsync
[13:35] <cnnx> what is that
[13:35] <cnnx> backup software for linux?
[13:35] <Habbie> i do periodic manual backups with rsync already
[13:35] <Habbie> yes
[13:35] <mlelstv> .oO( who is backing up the backups ? )
[13:36] <Habbie> mlelstv, nobody!
[13:36] <cnnx> i dont even have a nas
[13:36] <cnnx> seems everyone has nas
[13:36] <Habbie> it also holds our photos, various downloaded things, etc.
[13:36] <cnnx> i backup my stuff on a different disk on my computer
[13:36] <cnnx> with cron tar/gzip
[13:36] <Habbie> when i download software images i put them on the NAS so my laptop does not fill up
[13:36] <mlelstv> I'm running amanda for backup.
[13:36] <cnnx> and my servers from ovh backup locally over the internet
[13:36] <Habbie> my mail will also go on the NAS, with NFS to the pi or the apu
[13:37] <mlelstv> and mirror the backup disk to a NAS with rsync.
[13:37] <cnnx> Habbie: do you create seperate /directories for different hosts on your lan on your NAS?
[13:37] <Habbie> yes
[13:37] <cnnx> is it a SBC managing it via ssh?
[13:37] <Habbie> hmm?
[13:37] <cnnx> like
[13:37] <cnnx> the nas
[13:37] <cnnx> has a motherboard/cpu?
[13:37] <Habbie> yes
[13:37] <cnnx> ok
[13:37] <cnnx> how much did you spend on the nas
[13:38] <Habbie> 1.6ghz armv5tel
[13:38] <cnnx> maybe i should buy a nas before a rpi
[13:38] <Habbie> 512mb RAM so don't want to run mail on it directly
[13:38] <Habbie> i'm not sure, 300 bucks with disks i think - it is second hand
[13:38] <Habbie> cnnx, you could also turn the pi into a (somewhat slow) NAS with some USB disks
[13:38] <cnnx> i had a linksys nlsu once (dont remember the spellling)
[13:38] <Habbie> i remember those
[13:38] <cnnx> it was cute
[13:38] <cnnx> but i bricked it
[13:39] <Habbie> not fixable?
[13:39] <cnnx> dont remember
[13:39] <cnnx> was about 10 years ago
[13:39] <Habbie> my wife used https://www.amazon.com/ADDONICS-TECH-NASU2/dp/B016YJY5ZG%3FSubscriptionId%3DAKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q%26tag%3Dduckduckgo-d-20%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3DB016YJY5ZG before we got a real nas
[13:39] <Habbie> not at that price though
[13:39] <Habbie> also a cute thing
[13:39] <Habbie> usb on one end, ethernet on the other, done
[13:39] <Habbie> well plus power
[13:39] <cnnx> oh this is for work?
[13:39] <cnnx> or home?
[13:39] <cnnx> cause you said we
[13:39] <Habbie> home
[13:39] <cnnx> ok
[13:39] <AlwaysAwkward> Hello what software do you use in your pi?
[13:40] <Habbie> but i work from home
[13:40] <AlwaysAwkward> not os, software
[13:40] <Habbie> so that changes the balance a bit
[13:40] <AlwaysAwkward> As in programs.
[13:40] <cnnx> Habbie: 100% ?
[13:40] <Habbie> cnnx, 90%
[13:40] <cnnx> Habbie: thats nice.. i spend 4 hours a day commuting
[13:40] <Habbie> AlwaysAwkward, mine mostly runs tmux+weechat
[13:40] <Habbie> cnnx, ouch
[13:40] <cnnx> yeah
[13:40] <cnnx> cause im scared to take the subway
[13:40] <Habbie> cnnx, my commute is similar if i go to the office, indeed
[13:40] <cnnx> and dont drive
[13:40] <cnnx> so i take 3 buses
[13:40] <Habbie> cnnx, so you take the bus?
[13:40] <Habbie> ah
[13:40] <AlwaysAwkward> Does anyone know of creative software uses for the pi?
[13:41] <Habbie> AlwaysAwkward, what do you mean by creative?
[13:41] <AlwaysAwkward> Everything besides Kodi, emulation and which does not imply using additional uncommon hardware
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[13:42] <cnnx> Habbie: if you have a wife/husband does he/she give you a hard time for spending alot of time on the computer?
[13:42] <Habbie> cnnx, no, she has a horse, which incidentally also means i am allowed to spend some money on gadgets without asking ;)
[13:42] <cnnx> cool
[13:43] <cnnx> Habbie: my mother tells me "you only need 1 computer"
[13:43] <Habbie> so did my parents, but then they paid the power bills back then ;)
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[13:44] <cnnx> ah.. i paid the last power bill here at home last month it was 550$
[13:44] <Habbie> a month?!
[13:44] <cnnx> so they cant complain
[13:44] <cnnx> for 2 months
[13:44] <cnnx> but its a fairly big home
[13:44] <cnnx> 4 bedrooms
[13:44] <Habbie> my electricity bill is about EUR60/month
[13:44] <Habbie> the heating bill is twice that though
[13:44] <cnnx> cool
[13:45] <cnnx> we have wood stove
[13:45] <cnnx> and electricity
[13:45] <Habbie> ah
[13:45] <Habbie> i just get hot water from a pipe in the ground
[13:45] <Habbie> it's quite nifty
[13:45] <cnnx> geothermal?
[13:45] <Habbie> mosty waste heat from industry
[13:45] <Habbie> and power plants
[13:45] <cnnx> ok
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[13:45] <cnnx> whats this thing called rpi compute that came out in 2017?
[13:45] <cnnx> is it better?
[13:46] <Habbie> the compute module is for integration
[13:46] <Habbie> you need a module to stick it in
[13:46] <cnnx> can the rpi's be stacked up for paraell computing?
[13:46] <Habbie> sure
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[13:46] <cnnx> and have like 100+cores available for gentoo if i want?
[13:46] <Habbie> yes
[13:46] <cnnx> cause gentoo is my main os at home
[13:46] <cnnx> nice
[13:46] <Habbie> what would you use the cores for?
[13:46] <cnnx> cizzi@cactus ~ $ uname -a
[13:46] <cnnx> Linux cactus 4.9.9-gentoo #1 SMP Sat Feb 11 15:21:01 EST 2017 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4790K CPU @ 4.00GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
[13:47] <clever> Habbie: what kind of single system image software would you recomend?
[13:47] <Habbie> clever, raspbian lite or full
[13:47] <cnnx> compile gentoo updates
[13:47] <Habbie> cnnx, ah
[13:47] <cnnx> takes forever
[13:47] <Habbie> cnnx, yes, just set up distcc and ccache, done
[13:47] <cnnx> thats really interesting
[13:47] <clever> Habbie: rasbian isnt a single-system image framework
[13:47] <cnnx> are the 4 cores on the rpi3 HT?
[13:47] <Habbie> clever, then i don't understand the question
[13:47] <Habbie> cnnx, don't think so
[13:48] <cnnx> ok so to get lets say 24 cores i would need 6 rpi units
[13:48] <Habbie> yes
[13:48] <cnnx> and i connect them with 6 compute modules?
[13:48] <Habbie> no
[13:48] <Habbie> just get 6 rpi3
[13:48] <clever> Habbie: a single-system image is tools to make multiple independant systems behave like a single multi-core system
[13:48] <cnnx> oh
[13:48] <Habbie> and a network switch
[13:48] <cnnx> and distcc over lan
[13:48] <Habbie> clever, oh!
[13:48] <Habbie> clever, don't have anything to suggest, sorry
[13:48] <Habbie> cnnx, yes
[13:48] <cnnx> Habbie: how did you become an op in here?
[13:48] <clever> Habbie: so you can then run a stock OS on the cluster, and it can use the sum of the processing power
[13:48] <Habbie> clever, yes, i understand the reference now, but i'm not aware of any
[13:49] <cnnx> im looking for other deals for rpi kits and cant find a better one than the amazon.ca one so far
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[13:50] <Habbie> cnnx, as i said, it looks like a fine deal indeed
[13:50] <cnnx> Habbie: did u get my question b4?
[13:50] <cnnx> how you became an op here?
[13:50] <Habbie> cnnx, no, i missed that
[13:50] <cnnx> ok
[13:50] <Habbie> it was offered to me after hanging around a long time
[13:51] <cnnx> nice
[13:51] * Habbie sets mode -o Habbie
[13:51] <Habbie> i shouldn't be waving that thing around though
[13:51] <cnnx> your job you said you do support too.. via tickets only or phone too?
[13:51] <Habbie> mostly email
[13:51] <cnnx> ok
[13:51] <Habbie> sometimes phone if i think an email deserves a phone call
[13:51] <Habbie> most phone calls are sales or project work
[13:51] <cnnx> my job is 66% tickets and 32% phone they told us
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[13:52] <cnnx> i hope i get to do more than just tech support one day
[13:52] <Habbie> it's often a great place to start and grow from
[13:52] <cnnx> ok
[13:53] <cnnx> dont know if i should order the dvi adaptor too
[13:53] <cnnx> or just use it on my 27" NEC
[13:53] <cnnx> and switch video input modes
[13:53] <cnnx> when i need it
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[13:54] <Habbie> as you said, it would be just for setup
[13:54] <solars> hi, does alexa work on the pi1?
[13:54] <Habbie> and given prime you won't pay double shipping, right
[13:54] <solars> just for testing
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[14:03] <cnnx> Habbie: sorry was having a toast
[14:03] <cnnx> Habbie: did i miss anything
[14:03] <Habbie> don't think so
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[14:03] <cnnx> ok
[14:03] <cnnx> are you here during the week too?
[14:03] <cnnx> or just nights/weekeneds
[14:04] <Habbie> it varies
[14:04] <cnnx> cool
[14:04] <Habbie> i have irc open all day at work
[14:04] <Habbie> but i don't track all channels :)
[14:05] <cnnx> my trainer told me im not allowed to have irc while i work
[14:05] <cnnx> and i dont even have root on my own kunbuntu station at work :(
[14:05] <Habbie> sure
[14:05] <Habbie> makes sense to me
[14:05] <cnnx> ok
[14:05] <cnnx> those things are normal?
[14:05] <Habbie> yes
[14:05] <cnnx> some other people in my company go on irc
[14:05] <cnnx> but they are in admin
[14:05] <cnnx> sys admin
[14:06] <cnnx> i could save 35$ if i buy this kit instead https://www.amazon.ca/LANDZO-Raspberry-Ultimate-Kits/dp/B01M5AGSGN/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1486904683&sr=1-3-fkmr0&keywords=pasberry+pi+3
[14:06] <cnnx> but i dont think its worth it
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[14:06] <Habbie> why not?
[14:06] <Habbie> oh, no sd?
[14:06] <cnnx> doesnt have the hdmi cable
[14:06] <cnnx> and manuals
[14:06] <cnnx> and sdcard
[14:07] <Habbie> and a useless fan
[14:07] <cnnx> should i think about it some more before buying the 100$ or its not a major tihng?
[14:07] <Habbie> i would just do it
[14:08] <cnnx> ok let me read some reviews first
[14:08] <cnnx> they seem all positive
[14:08] <cnnx> i like htat
[14:08] <cnnx> and lots of them
[14:08] <cnnx> 526
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[14:08] <cnnx> oh yeah
[14:08] <cnnx> my biggest question last night was buying an rpi or odroid
[14:08] <cnnx> whats your opinion
[14:08] <Habbie> rpi community is great
[14:08] <cnnx> ok
[14:08] <Habbie> lots easier to get answers
[14:09] <Habbie> and you have a supported OS
[14:09] <cnnx> eventually rpi will have usb 3 right?
[14:09] <cnnx> if i want fast I/O
[14:09] <Habbie> odroid has different specs which may matter to you
[14:09] <Habbie> like that
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[14:09] <Habbie> and non-usb ethernet
[14:09] <Habbie> i'm sure rpi will grow usb3 at some point
[14:10] <Habbie> it basically comes down to what they manage to get in at the same price point in a new version
[14:10] <cnnx> let me go make sure my 27" has a hdmi connection indeed before i order this
[14:10] <Habbie> hehe
[14:11] <Habbie> i got a second hand hdmi/vga monitor for 20 bucks last week
[14:11] <Habbie> eh, dvi/vga
[14:11] <Habbie> i brought my pi + dvi-adapter over to test it
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[14:14] <tommy``> anyone use pi2 with xmbc like kodi?
[14:14] <Habbie> tommy``, i'm sure many people do, did you have a specific question?
[14:14] <tommy``> i would like to know how works with paytv
[14:14] <Habbie> what kind of paytv?
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[14:15] <cnnx> i dont like used stuff
[14:15] <cnnx> i buy new
[14:15] <cnnx> now i have a wireless mouse with a usb receiver
[14:15] <Habbie> cnnx, when the difference is 20 vs. 120 i sometimes do ;)
[14:15] <cnnx> will take work on the rpi
[14:15] <Habbie> cnnx, quite likely
[14:15] <cnnx> i dont have extra mice/kb's around that much
[14:15] <cnnx> i have an ibm model m keyboard lying around
[14:15] <cnnx> with usb adaptor hehe
[14:15] <Habbie> well you don't need a mouse to set it up for irc
[14:16] <cnnx> my main one is a das keyboard
[14:16] <cnnx> doesnt it boot up in a window manager?
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[14:16] <cnnx> do control alt f2?
[14:16] <cnnx> console mode?
[14:16] <Habbie> full does, lite does not, but yes
[14:16] <Habbie> that will do
[14:16] <Habbie> and you don't need full for your irc box
[14:17] <cnnx> ok
[14:17] <ShorTie> you can always just vnc into full
[14:18] <cnnx> nice
[14:18] <Habbie> that's true
[14:18] <cnnx> sounds great
[14:18] <cnnx> i really wanna order it now
[14:18] <cnnx> lets see how fast amazon will deliver it
[14:18] <cnnx> since im a prime member
[14:18] <Habbie> is prime faster?
[14:18] <cnnx> yes
[14:18] <cnnx> and cheaper
[14:18] <cnnx> but i paid 70$/year for that
[14:19] <cnnx> basically all i need to do the first time with the mouse/kb is setup wifi
[14:19] <Habbie> hope it's worth it :)
[14:19] <cnnx> right?
[14:19] <Habbie> correct
[14:19] <Habbie> unless you put a cable in
[14:19] <cnnx> yeah
[14:19] <Habbie> then you don't even need mouse/kb
[14:19] <cnnx> i have cable too
[14:19] <cnnx> default ssh to 22 with root?
[14:20] <cnnx> on a dhcp ip?
[14:20] <Habbie> put a file called 'ssh' on the image after writing it
[14:20] <Habbie> and then yes, that
[14:20] <cnnx> i nmap my lan for thjerpi?
[14:20] <Habbie> user pi, password raspberry
[14:20] <Habbie> yes, i use nmap for that :)
[14:20] <cnnx> i have to write the image?
[14:20] <ShorTie> if you know your wifi setup, you can just put it into /boot and it will move it where it needs to be
[14:20] <cnnx> i thought it came insalled om the sdcard
[14:20] <ShorTie> sortta like the ssh file
[14:20] <Habbie> cnnx, there's noobs on the sdcard but i'm not sure you can enable ssh on it like this
[14:20] <Habbie> ShorTie, i read that only works on full though
[14:21] <cnnx> so thats why it ships with a sdcard reader for my pc?
[14:21] <cnnx> i need to configure the os first?
[14:21] <Habbie> cnnx, yes
[14:21] <cnnx> im sure the manual will explain
[14:21] <ShorTie> wifi setup, maybe
[14:21] <Habbie> ShorTie, i know ssh works on lite, yes
[14:21] <cnnx> fun fun
[14:21] <Habbie> cnnx, otherwise the internet will
[14:21] <Habbie> cnnx, or this channel
[14:21] <cnnx> you guys bored of your rpi yet
[14:21] <Habbie> cnnx, that's the pi benefit over odroid, so much documentation and people
[14:21] <Habbie> bored? no, it just works
[14:21] <cnnx> ok
[14:21] <cnnx> they are made in the UK right?
[14:22] <Habbie> mostly
[14:22] <cnnx> none made in north america?
[14:22] <Habbie> don't think so no
[14:22] <ShorTie> cnnx, if you use Gentoo, i'd go direct image to sdcard and not do the noobs thing
[14:22] <Habbie> uk and china as i recall
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[14:22] <cnnx> they operate on +5V (usb) ?
[14:22] <Habbie> ShorTie, fair point, probably no /boot/ssh then though
[14:22] <Habbie> cnnx, yes
[14:22] <cnnx> ShorTie: ill start with something easy
[14:22] <Habbie> cnnx, you want a decent 2.5A supply for the pi3 with wifi
[14:22] <Habbie> cnnx, as in those kits
[14:22] <cnnx> okay
[14:22] <cnnx> to power all usb devices you mean?
[14:22] <ShorTie> ssh file works on lite, done many times
[14:22] <Habbie> not just usb
[14:22] <Habbie> the wifi is not usb
[14:23] <Habbie> ShorTie, sure, but not on gentoo i bet
[14:23] <cnnx> wifi is onboard then
[14:23] <Habbie> yes
[14:23] <Habbie> but the onboard ethernet -is- usb :)
[14:23] <cnnx> does the unit run hot
[14:23] <Habbie> nah
[14:23] <cnnx> so its limited to 480mbps?
[14:23] <Habbie> the ethernet is 100mbit anyway
[14:23] <alexandre9099> hi, i want to use my raspberry as a router, is that possible?
[14:23] <cnnx> alexandre9099: sure, use iptables
[14:24] <cnnx> oh
[14:24] <Habbie> alexandre9099, sure, but you need interfaces
[14:24] <cnnx> router, thought you meant firewall
[14:24] <mlelstv> people tried a usb GigE dongle and got about 250Mbit/s
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[14:24] <Habbie> alexandre9099, or a switch with VLANs
[14:24] <Habbie> i have a pi3 running as some kind of router
[14:24] <Habbie> mlelstv, that is about right for usb2
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[14:25] <alexandre9099> Habbie: i have a usb wifi pen and a usb 4g pen, my idea is to recive the "signal" from the 4g pen and send it to the usb wifi pen and the integrated ethernet
[14:25] <Habbie> alexandre9099, that works
[14:26] <cnnx> should i have it shipped to my local postal office
[14:26] <cnnx> since im at work during the day
[14:26] <cnnx> my mom doenst always answer the door hehe
[14:26] <Habbie> cnnx, yes
[14:26] <cnnx> cause the snow is in front of the steps
[14:26] <cnnx> its the first time i try to have it shipped there
[14:26] <alexandre9099> cool, i just have to get a sd card for my pi 1b :D my 3 is being used as a server XD
[14:26] <mlelstv> the theoretical limit for usb2 is ~400Mbit, but the pi usb has quite some overhead.
[14:26] <cnnx> but it gave me the option
[14:27] <cnnx> i should get an email when it gets there i guess
[14:27] <Habbie> mlelstv, there's also some signalling overhead - but i haven't looked for non-pi usb gbit benchmarks
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[14:34] <cnnx> Habbie: did you ever get an offer for an amazon credit card when you order on amazon? they say you get 20$ off your first purchase if you're approved
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[14:34] <Habbie> cnnx, i didn't, credit cards are not big in NL
[14:35] <Habbie> cnnx, or maybe i did, i ignore those things, i already have a CC
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[14:37] <cnnx> Habbie: cool
[14:39] <Habbie> bbl
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[14:39] <cnnx> Habbie: can you guess what I have on my desk? https://www.linksforpics.com/files/IMG_0267.JPG-RepEohQfVg.jpg
[14:39] <cnnx> bye
[14:39] <cnnx> oh ok
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[14:45] <cnnx> anyone else around?
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[14:52] <cnnx> ShorTie: what you up to?
[14:52] <cnnx> im sipping my coffee
[14:52] <cnnx> about to order my first pi
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[14:53] <brainzap> you are doing gods work son
[14:53] <cnnx> brainzap: how come?
[14:53] <ShorTie> bowl of oatmeal then off to work i go
[14:53] <cnnx> ShorTie: what kind of job?
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[14:54] <ShorTie> i raise chickens
[14:54] <cnnx> cool
[14:54] <cnnx> grain fed?
[14:54] <cnnx> or pumped
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[14:54] <ShorTie> what ever they put into the feed bins
[14:55] <ShorTie> guess in reality, i just baby sit them for 60 days, lol.
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[15:04] <cnnx> whats a nice coffee machine
[15:04] <cnnx> Keurig ?
[15:04] <cnnx> nespresso?
[15:04] <cnnx> i want something computerized hehe
[15:06] <cnnx> i want a coffee brewer with iot enabled
[15:06] <cnnx> with ip address
[15:08] <cromulent> cnnx: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyper_Text_Coffee_Pot_Control_Protocol
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[15:10] <Habbie> cnnx, obviously that's a gentoo mug :)
[15:10] <brainzap> machine made coffee?
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[15:13] <ShorTie> but Gentoo coffee takes 2 days to make
[15:13] <cnnx> Habbie: im thinking of buying a coffee maker instead of the rpi now haha
[15:13] <cnnx> connected with iot
[15:14] <cnnx> only one i found is this so far https://www.amazon.ca/Nespresso-Prodigio-Internet-Connected-Espresso/dp/B01C7QR494/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1486908802&sr=8-1&keywords=nespresso+coffee+machine+internet
[15:14] <cnnx> doesnt even have an lcd display
[15:14] <cnnx> the one at work does :)
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[15:38] <malimaj> I have this issue, when I connect my Rpi directly to the ethernet port of my PC ,my Wifi connection crash
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[15:39] <malimaj> it seems like the ethernet adapter of the PC is configured for default connection, but I can't find where
[15:43] <malimaj> btw -my PC OS is Linux Lite
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[15:44] <malimaj> is there a way to give priority to wifi connection over ethernet?
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[15:47] <cnnx> Habbie:
[15:47] <cnnx> you back
[15:47] <Habbie> ish
[15:48] <cnnx> whats better.. a keurig coffee machine or a rpi kit
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[15:48] <Habbie> i don't drink coffee
[15:48] <Habbie> does that help? :)
[15:48] <cnnx> ok
[15:48] <cnnx> why
[15:48] <cnnx> its good
[15:48] <Habbie> i don't like the taste
[15:48] <cnnx> oh ok
[15:48] <cnnx> but for the health its ok right?
[15:48] <cnnx> my doctor drinks it
[15:48] <Habbie> no clue
[15:48] <cnnx> let me google
[15:49] <cnnx> Studies have shown that coffee may have health benefits, including protecting against Parkinson's disease, type 2 diabetes and liver disease, including liver cancer. It also appears to improve cognitive function and decrease the risk of depression.
[15:49] <cnnx> cool
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[15:50] <cnnx> google is too amazing
[15:50] <cnnx> it wasnt this good in 1999
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[15:58] <AlwaysAwkward> Anyone knows how to set up VPN over internet?
[15:59] <AlwaysAwkward> VNC*****
[15:59] <AlwaysAwkward> Sorry, still asleep
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[16:01] <malimaj> AlwaysAwkward: wich devices would you control remotely?
[16:01] <AlwaysAwkward> I'd like to be able to control my pi from outside home
[16:01] <AlwaysAwkward> When I leave my pi plugged on at home
[16:01] <malimaj> from a linux machine or Windows?
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[16:02] <AlwaysAwkward> Win if possible, linux if really necessary
[16:03] <malimaj> once I did control my ubuntu PC from Windows machine but on home network
[16:03] <AlwaysAwkward> I can already do that via ssh or regular vnc
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[16:03] <malimaj> I'm not sure for the connection over internet
[16:03] <AlwaysAwkward> Yeah, that was what I asked about
[16:05] <malimaj> I can't help you we are on the same knowledge then
[16:05] <AlwaysAwkward> Thanks anyways!
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[16:05] <cnnx> Habbie: does it make more sense to buy the 100$ pi kit or boot up a 17 year old p3 1ghz desktop tower system i have instead to save money?
[16:05] <malimaj> no prob, I believe there are lots of tutorials on youtube
[16:06] <Habbie> cnnx, depends on the power draw on the desktop
[16:06] <cnnx> standard 400w psu i think
[16:06] <cnnx> atx
[16:06] <cnnx> dunno under load
[16:06] <cnnx> the watts pulled
[16:06] <Habbie> well the pi draws <15W
[16:06] <cnnx> would hav eto plug in the p3 watt meter i have
[16:07] <cnnx> how about a p3 500mhz laptop i have
[16:07] <cnnx> that wouldnt draw alot right
[16:07] <Habbie> can't say
[16:07] <Habbie> bbl
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[16:16] <mfa298> cnnx: PC/Laptop are almost certainly >15W (and if you're talking about P3 stuff almost certainly slower than the Pi3 maybe even slower than the Pi1)
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[16:25] <mlelstv> you can build pretty low-power PCs nowadays. But that's still 10W idle and 80W busy.
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[16:30] <oq> cnnx: it always makes sense to make do with what you already have than splurge on something you may not need
[16:31] <cnnx> i just got the p3 laptop working on gentoo
[16:31] <cnnx> it was already installed from lasty year
[16:31] <cnnx> let me measure the pulling wAtts
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[16:43] <cnnx> i really cant find it
[16:43] <cnnx> im pissed
[16:43] <cnnx> its a good device
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[16:46] <leftyfb> cnnx: please watch the language
[16:46] <cnnx> which word?
[16:46] <cnnx> p*ssed?
[16:46] <cnnx> sorry didnt know that was bad
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[17:06] <Chillum> cnnx: all kinds of words are naughty here that are not naughty anywhere else
[17:06] <cnnx> ok
[17:06] <Chillum> think kindergarden with your mom watching, and also someone really into church ;)
[17:07] <malimaj> :)
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[17:11] <Chillum> the actual rules prohibit "excessive swearing" but the mods have taken that to mean to prohibit "any amount of anything that could possibly be interpreted as a swear"
[17:12] <malimaj> is there a list of banned words?
[17:13] <ShorTie> nop, this is about it, <Chillum> think kindergarden with your mom watching, and also someone really into church ;)
[17:14] <Chillum> avoid words from the bible, they are a hot button it seems
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[17:15] <Chillum> not only is it not documented, but what is documented is not what is enforced
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[17:17] <leftyfb> Chillum: https://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/laika_large.png
[17:17] <leftyfb> Chillum: would you swear around that situation?
[17:18] <leftyfb> lets say you were the instructor in that picture
[17:18] <leftyfb> That's basically how I feel this channel should be treated.
[17:19] <avu> Not that I want to argue against this channel's policies but I really don't think you should let children use IRC.
[17:19] <Chillum> I would let of a tirade filth I could not possibly quote here ;)
[17:20] <Chillum> seriously though I would stick to language polite in society. I would not however avoid terms that are polite english but might offend someone extra churchy
[17:21] <Chillum> like I was told not to use the "d" word! shocking! The one that ends in "mnation"
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[17:22] <Chillum> I dare not say the word that ends in 2 Ls
[17:23] <ShorTie> but us Old folks don't like those type of words either
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[17:23] <ShorTie> they have been trust apon us
[17:24] <Chillum> trust? or thrust?
[17:25] <Chillum> can you say thrust here?
[17:25] <Chillum> ;)
[17:26] <avu> Isn't your nick some kind of drug paraphernalia..?
[17:26] <Chillum> hey, you are going to get me in trouble!
[17:27] <ShorTie> thrust, Sorry
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[17:37] <solars> are there any prebuilt alexa images?
[17:39] * ShorTie wonders, did MrGoogle find any
[17:39] <Chillum> I am seeing install scripts with a quick google
[17:40] <ali1234> i think the license precludes direct redistribution
[17:40] <ali1234> so it's all install scripts and image builders
[17:41] <solars> ah yeah that might be a reason
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[17:42] <leftyfb> solars: running the script is trivial, the rest of it is manual links and configs to and from the amazon developer sites. There's no way to automated that since it's specific for every user
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[17:43] <solars> I assume this is the way to go? https://github.com/alexa-pi/AlexaPi
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[17:44] <leftyfb> solars: unless you're really adamant on building your own custom hardware version of the echo requiring a button press in order to get it to respond, it makes a lot more sense to just drop $50 on the echo dot. Especially since by the time you're done buying the pi and all the needed accessories, you'e pretty close to that price point anyway.
[17:45] <clever> leftyfb: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03lH8X4Dc0o
[17:45] <Habbie> hard to do it at $50 even
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[17:46] <solars> leftyfb: the reason I want to try it on the pi is I already have this stuff lying around, so why not
[17:47] <leftyfb> clever: Not sure what that has to do with what we're discussing
[17:47] <clever> leftyfb: sounded like you where talking about how the amazon echo can always listen in on you
[17:47] <leftyfb> clever: nope
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[17:48] <solars> I think it's clear that the echo can, right but the raspi cannot
[17:48] <solars> as far as I saw until now
[17:48] <leftyfb> clever: Also, I would spend $30 for a wemo switch and not have to use ifttt to accomplish the same thing
[17:48] <clever> yeah, many ways to do it
[17:49] <ali1234> wemo is rubbish. never works properly
[17:49] <leftyfb> cheaper, more elegant and easier to use (Alexa, turn off alexa)
[17:49] <leftyfb> ali1234: works fine for me
[17:49] <ali1234> probably
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[17:50] <ali1234> the thing i hacked together for $20 is more reliable
[17:50] <leftyfb> ali1234: though I only use 1 for my monitors in my office. The rest of the house I use zwave sockets
[17:50] <solars> leftyfb: did you compare the benefits of a dot vs alexa pi? I'm not sure about the exact differences
[17:50] <ali1234> i use unbranded rf-controlled sockets and a PC dongle i built myself
[17:51] <leftyfb> solars: yup, if you're talking just echo functionality, the dot works better
[17:51] <solars> leftyfb: echo functionality in how far? and why better?
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[17:52] <leftyfb> solars: the dot you can control entirely with your voice. The pi requires a button. The dot responds quicker (by design). I think there's even some services/skills you can't add to the alexa-pi. The dot is also a much neater and smaller package
[17:52] <ali1234> what is it actually useful for though?
[17:53] <leftyfb> an echo?
[17:53] <ali1234> yeah
[17:53] <ali1234> how do you use it, i mean really?
[17:53] <chisight> checking the weather.
[17:53] <ali1234> not "i impress my friends by turning the lights on and off 1000 times when they visit"
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[17:54] <leftyfb> ali1234: I use it all the time. I just did in now in fact. I heard my pellet stove in the livingroom kick on. I just said "computer, set my heat to 65". I need it off for a bit to cool down so I can clean it out.
[17:54] <ali1234> that's cool
[17:54] <leftyfb> we use it every night to shut everything off in the house when going to bed
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[17:54] <leftyfb> no need to run around turning off lights or turning the heat down. Eventually i'll be getting blinds
[17:54] <clever> i made a custom android app to control my custom heating setup
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[17:55] <Chillum> damn, 65 is brutally hot
[17:55] <clever> "2017-02-12 12:55:02 bedroom temp: 23.00c(73.40f), kitchen: 21.12c(70.03f), living room: 19.25c(66.65f), outdoor: -14.25c(6.35f), server: 23.31c(73.96f) VCC: over 4.5 volts portb: 00000000"
[17:55] <clever> Chillum: i find anything under 70 to be chilly, lol
[17:55] <Chillum> you must be from Liberia, Myanmar or the USA then
[17:55] <leftyfb> clever: i'm pretty sure Chillum is trolling and referring to celcius
[17:55] <ali1234> what about people who don't have home automation? any real uses for them?
[17:56] <leftyfb> ali1234: other than playing music(which I also do all the time) and maybe getting news(which I don't do) then probably no.
[17:56] <Chillum> leftyfb: just acting as though they use an arcane unit system abandoned by most of the world
[17:56] <chisight> you would think a pi would be able to capture sound, identify if the keyword was probably in the capture and only forward to amazon if the keyword was probably said.
[17:56] <leftyfb> ali1234: but I think that's like saying "unless you need it for driving places, what is a car good for?"
[17:56] <solars> leftyfb: what I want to do is use alexa to integrate voice control with openhab - which should work. what I'm unsure about is if I can use it with my existing multi room audio system based on logitech media server
[17:56] <ali1234> leftyfb: racing?
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[17:57] <ali1234> also collectors
[17:57] <clever> Chillum: heh, i had to add code to do conversion to the above app, because half the people i talk to cant make sense of 23c
[17:57] <leftyfb> ali1234: racing is technically driving
[17:57] <ali1234> but you;re not really going anywhere
[17:57] <leftyfb> point A -> point B
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[17:58] <Chillum> it is 23% of the way from freezing water to boiling water, complicated I know
[17:58] <ali1234> same place, big circle :)
[17:58] <clever> chisight: i believe the amazon echo does the same thing, the bigger question is what the NSA has added to the latest firmware update
[17:58] <clever> chisight: open source stuff, or anything with automatic updates disabled, is less likely to have backdoors added at a later date
[17:59] <chisight> clever: I'm less concerned about the nsa than being inundated with advertising based on my personal conversations.
[17:59] <ali1234> so do you ever use it to buy stuff from amazon?
[17:59] <clever> yeah, thats also an option
[17:59] <ali1234> that's the real point of it, isn't it?
[17:59] <clever> ali1234: that reminds me, i'm getting ad's from newegg, for products i bought off newegg over a year ago
[17:59] <leftyfb> clever: there is zero reason to believe anything open source has a back door more often than closed source. In fact I would wager it's quite the opposite.
[17:59] <leftyfb> ali1234: I have
[17:59] <clever> ali1234: the ad framework knows i looked at that product, but probably cant see my purchasing history
[18:00] <clever> ali1234: so its constantly reminding me, "you wanted this thing, buy it!!!"
[18:00] <leftyfb> ali1234: only because the deal only applied to using the dot to get the deal
[18:00] <ali1234> clever: i get recommended videos on youtube which are worryingly similar to stuff i looked at on reddit
[18:00] <clever> ali1234: heh, havent had that happen yet
[18:00] <chisight> i can't imagine it being useful for making amazon purchases. my delivery today includes cat food, selecting that from a verbal system would be hellish.
[18:01] <Chillum> I think it is like "order more catfood" and it uses the same type you bought before
[18:01] <leftyfb> chisight: i'm pretty sure you set your brand and amount in some preferences and just say "buy cat food" and it does
[18:01] <ali1234> yeah, like those buttons
[18:01] <Chillum> at least that is the only way it could make sense
[18:01] <ali1234> although you can "subscribe" to products on amazon now
[18:01] <Chillum> now, if you can make it so the cat can order more food
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[18:01] <ali1234> so you dont need to do anything at all
[18:02] <chisight> I've looked at getting a cat food button. the options i select can't be done with their button device.
[18:02] <ali1234> you'd think they could ship you a custom pre-configured one
[18:02] <chisight> today's delivery is a subscription.
[18:02] <ali1234> for anything you want
[18:03] <chisight> ali1234: you would, but it seems they can't.
[18:03] <clever> that gives me an idea: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/13331
[18:03] <Chillum> amazon sucks in Canada, they have like half the stuff and it costs way more
[18:03] <clever> use this load cell to make a scale that the cat food bag/jar sits on
[18:03] <clever> so your raspberry pi can weight the cat food 24/7
[18:03] <leftyfb> ali1234: interestingly enough, I do use a dash button, but it's attached to the back of my pellet stove. I hit it whenever I use a bag of pellets. Then it adds a row to a spreadsheet with the date, time, and calculates how many bags ahead or behind I am, how many bags left, how many days left till my estimated end of the season and the date the current number of bags will last given an estimated usage pattern :)
[18:03] <ali1234> clever: i thought you were going to say weight the cat
[18:03] <clever> and if it goes below a set limit, but is also above the weight of the jar
[18:03] <clever> automaticaly order some
[18:04] <chisight> you'd also think they could merge subscription orders and regular orders into a single delivery, but they can't do that either.
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[18:05] <ali1234> amazon has a ridiculous amount of automation... surrised they can't do this stuff tbh
[18:05] <clever> ali1234: if you can weight the cat food back, you could make a cronjob that checks it every night
[18:05] <clever> and then bulks it in with other orders
[18:05] <chisight> we recently placed a subscription order with 5 items and a regular order with 5 items. we'll be getting 7 deliveries total.
[18:06] <clever> you could also defer the cat food order until other things are also low
[18:06] <ali1234> weigh the food, the cat, and the litter tray and perform thermodynamic analysis?
[18:06] <clever> so if you are under 40% food, wait till other things are on the list
[18:06] <clever> under 20% cat food, order it on its own
[18:06] <Chillum> nothing like adding NP complexity to shopping
[18:06] <chisight> cat food seems to ship separately do to the weight.
[18:06] <Chillum> https://xkcd.com/287/
[18:07] <ali1234> chisight: how big is your cat??
[18:07] <chisight> 6.5lbs.
[18:07] <clever> Chillum: lol, forgot about that one
[18:07] <ali1234> our cats got spoiled and would not eat cat food :/
[18:08] <chisight> our kitten eats 2 kinds of food. dry and wet. the wet is always the same flavor so as to try to avoid finikey eating.
[18:08] <s3nd1v0g1us> ours wont eat it after it sits for too long
[18:09] <chisight> yeah, the food puzzle tree doesn't get filled until it is completely empty. i don't want him eating stale food.
[18:10] <chisight> i do shake the food out for him sometimes, for my convenience though.
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[18:11] <chisight> he was boredom eating before we got the puzzle feeder. his shape is much better now.
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[18:12] <Habbie> http://gizmodo.com/cats-are-happier-and-healthier-when-you-make-them-work-1786057743
[18:13] <chisight> Habbie: yeah, that seems to be true for our kitten.
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[18:13] <chisight> got that tree, the catit 2.0.
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[18:17] <chisight> ali1234: i kinda work from the assumption that nature will take over eventually and the cat will eat what is available rather than starve.
[18:18] <ali1234> ours used to just meow really loud until they got what they wanted
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[18:20] <chisight> ours does too, but the only thing we'll do is give him his regular food. if he gets too annoying, he'll get locked in the bathroom to chill until he stops.
[18:22] <ali1234> we had to have a dedicated cat-proofed room in our house for timeouts
[18:22] <aries_liuxueyang> hello.
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[18:22] <aries_liuxueyang> My pi can not read sdcard so it can not boot normally.
[18:22] <chisight> ali1234: it may come to that for us too, eventually. he's only unrolled the TP once so far, so not yet.
[18:23] <chisight> aries_liuxueyang: is there a question in there?
[18:23] <ali1234> not left any "presents" in the bathtub? lol
[18:23] <chisight> ali1234: the box goes in with him.
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[18:24] <aries_liuxueyang> chisight: I am not sure. But my pi can not boot. When it's connected to power, the ACT LED doesn't blink normally.
[18:24] <aries_liuxueyang> I search a lot. a wiki said it means that the pi didn't read the sdcard.
[18:24] <chisight> he's actually never gone outside the box. the worst he did was when we first got him he came with a low sided box and he pooped on the edge by mistake once. the box was never intended to be permanent but we did choose a much higher sided one just to be sure.
[18:25] <aries_liuxueyang> So I chroot into the system of sdcard using qemu on my pc.
[18:25] <aries_liuxueyang> I find it works well.
[18:25] <chisight> aries_liuxueyang: this is sounding likely. not all card work with pi. use a different card.
[18:26] <Chillum> if the pi is undervolted it can fail to read the card
[18:26] <aries_liuxueyang> chisight: my pi works well for about 1.5 years using that sd card.
[18:26] <chisight> ok aries_liuxueyang. is there a question here?
[18:27] <aries_liuxueyang> I don't know why it can not read it.
[18:28] <aries_liuxueyang> Chillum: I use the same power adapter as before.
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[18:29] <chisight> aries_liuxueyang: download the current raspbian image and use a card from the tested working list and see if that works.
[18:30] <chisight> if it doesn't, replace the power supply. if that still doesn't work, replace the pi.
[18:31] <aries_liuxueyang> Is it possible that the firmware is broken when I update system?
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[18:31] <chisight> yes.
[18:32] <chisight> it's not very likely but it is possible.
[18:32] <aries_liuxueyang> Or can I fix that?
[18:32] <chisight> it's just as likely that your sd card is dying and corrupted.
[18:32] <aries_liuxueyang> chisight: bug I can chroot into it.
[18:33] <aries_liuxueyang> *but
[18:33] <chisight> that doesn't say all that much.
[18:33] <chisight> you're talking about a very different environment.
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[18:35] <chisight> Chillum's answer of bad power is fairly likely too.
[18:35] <aries_liuxueyang> ok
[18:36] <chisight> grab another sdcard, put the latest image on it and test. if that works reliably, you've narrowed it to the card or the code on the card.
[18:36] <aries_liuxueyang> I tried another power adapter 5V 2A and it doesn't work either.
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[18:36] <chisight> which pi is this?
[18:36] <aries_liuxueyang> pi2 B
[18:37] <chisight> ok. is there anything connected to the usb?
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[18:37] <aries_liuxueyang> nop, It is connect directly to the power.
[18:38] <chisight> what other than power is connected to the pi?
[18:38] <aries_liuxueyang> nothing
[18:38] <Habbie> no screen?
[18:38] <chisight> no network?
[18:38] <aries_liuxueyang> no
[18:38] <chisight> no keyboard or mouse?
[18:38] <aries_liuxueyang> I tried to remove all things.
[18:38] <aries_liuxueyang> yeah. no keyboard and mouse.
[18:39] <chisight> ok
[18:39] <chisight> get the latest image, put it on a different sd card and test.
[18:39] <aries_liuxueyang> I only have one more 2GB sdcard by hand. Is there a distro whose image size is below 2G?
[18:39] <chisight> narrow down your potential problems.
[18:40] <Habbie> aries_liuxueyang, raspbian lite is 1.3G
[18:40] <Habbie> aries_liuxueyang, well 1.4G
[18:40] <aries_liuxueyang> I will have a try.
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[18:41] <aries_liuxueyang> Habbie: chisight Thank you so much! I will try it now.
[18:44] <Chillum> I would backup anything you want from the card that works in our desktop but not the pi
[18:44] <Chillum> in fact I go a step further and assume any OS on an SD card could have a disk failure at any moment and do regular backups to another system
[18:45] <Chillum> while tiny and convenient they are not the safest way to store data
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[18:45] <Chillum> they were designed for occasional read/writes from mobile devices, not the heavy writing of an operating system
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[19:37] <r3> "I don't care what it was designed to do! I care what it CAN do!" -- Gene Kranz, Apollo 13
[19:39] <SpeedEvil> SD cards are shit, in fact.
[19:39] <SpeedEvil> For many of them.
[19:39] <SpeedEvil> There are exceptions, but finding the exception is hard.
[19:40] <SpeedEvil> The problem is they're trying to run a disk on a tiny, tiny processor with many shortcuts in doing the wear leveling.
[19:40] <SpeedEvil> This, and bugs means that you can simply have it stop working when it gets confused.
[19:41] <Habbie> SpeedEvil, mind the language please
[19:41] <SpeedEvil> Sorry, thought it was another channel.
[19:41] <Habbie> i can see how that happens :)
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[20:18] <alexandre9099> hi, is it possible to have two separate interfaces with same ip?
[20:18] <mozak> hi how to boot to hard drive
[20:18] <leftyfb> alexandre9099: why?
[20:19] <aries_liuxueyang> hello, I'm back. I tried another sdcard. and it works.
[20:19] <leftyfb> mozak: can you elaborate on that?
[20:19] <mozak> i plan to put /boot on sd card
[20:19] <alexandre9099> leftyfb: if one fails it uses the other, so i can have a connection always on
[20:19] <mozak> and / on hard drive
[20:19] <aries_liuxueyang> don't know what's wrong with the original sdcard.
[20:19] <mozak> only /boot on sd
[20:20] <leftyfb> alexandre9099: https://learn.adafruit.com/network-interface-failover-using-fona/overview
[20:20] <leftyfb> alexandre9099: I googled for "raspberry pi network failover"
[20:20] <alexandre9099> leftyfb: thanks i'll check
[20:21] <leftyfb> mozak: http://bfy.tw/A31O
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[20:26] <mozak> leftyfb, ty i hate google
[20:26] <mozak> but got right article
[20:26] <leftyfb> mozak: that's a pitty. Going to make your life with computers and technology very difficult.
[20:27] <mozak> i am not fragile so np
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[20:28] <leftyfb> mozak: think of google like a place to find answers, instructions, tutorials and manuals for almost anything. You just have to go there and type in what you're searching for
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[20:36] <mozak> duckduckgo
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[20:48] <pwillard> Saying. Google is like saying... do you want a soda? Leaving the specific details up to you.
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[20:59] <leftyfb> pwillard: i've tried duckduckgo. I wouldn't suggest it for anyone looking for decent results.
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[21:33] <L0g4nAd4ms> Hi, quick question about the LEDs on my pi 3 model b.
[21:34] <L0g4nAd4ms> What does the green flashing LED on "ACT" mean ?
[21:34] <L0g4nAd4ms> activity on SD card ?
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[21:34] <Xark> L0g4nAd4ms: I believe so. Turns off for sd access IIRC
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[21:35] <L0g4nAd4ms> OK and the POWER LED is just red all the time. to which color should it change if there is not enough voltage for example ?
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[21:36] <Xark> L0g4nAd4ms: It might flash or something, but usually you see red or colored small square overlayed on video when low power.
[21:37] <L0g4nAd4ms> So if my power led does not flash everything is good ?
[21:37] <leftyfb> L0g4nAd4ms: I don't think the red led flashes at all. For undervoltage, you'll get a yellow lightning bolt on the display from your pi
[21:37] <Xark> L0g4nAd4ms: That and no colored square on HDMI. See https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=82373
[21:38] <leftyfb> Xark: that topic is old. There is now a lighting bolt
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[21:38] <Xark> leftyfb: Okay.
[21:38] <Xark> leftyfb: That is what they get for not having real online documentation. :)
[21:39] <L0g4nAd4ms> leftyfb, so i can not check for undervoltage if i am not connected via HDMI
[21:39] <leftyfb> Xark: https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/introducing-pixel/ not great documentation, but it does explain the lightning bolt
[21:40] <leftyfb> L0g4nAd4ms: not that I know of
[21:40] <leftyfb> L0g4nAd4ms: maybe http://www.elinux.org/RPI_vcgencmd_usage
[21:42] <atomi> running this on my rpi can you guys see it https://s3.atomi.space/public/Screenshot_20170209-233157.png ?
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[21:42] <atomi> looks like yeah
[21:43] * ShorTie wonders, when did they take the blinky red light out ??
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[21:46] <oq> ShorTie: the blinky red light indicates a power/voltage issue
[21:47] <ShorTie> Yuppers ... :)
[21:47] <oq> it didn't get taken away
[21:47] <oq> unless you're referring to a pi0
[21:48] <ShorTie> L0g4nAd4ms twas wondering about it i do believe
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[21:50] <L0g4nAd4ms> well i asked here about the red power led and if it flashes but sb said it does not flash at all
[21:50] <ShorTie> is yours blinking ??
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[21:51] <L0g4nAd4ms> nope
[21:51] <ShorTie> �k�� ��K��
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[23:32] <mozak> hi i am making rpi boot form hard drive, but manual https://github.com/raspberrypi/documentation/blob/master/hardware/raspberrypi/bootmodes/msd.md
[23:32] <mozak> says only to make 1 partrition for root
[23:33] <mozak> can i split and do 1 partrition / 1partrition /home
[23:33] <mozak> and shoud i make swap?
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[23:48] <mozak> ok so no swap
[23:48] <mozak> but will try to make home
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