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IRC Log for 2017-02-13

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[0:14] <cnnx> GreeningGalaxy: good evenning :)
[0:15] <mozak> hi
[0:15] <mozak> does anyone know if i madeded separate /home partrition
[0:15] <cnnx> if you want
[0:15] <cnnx> if you think its gonna get big
[0:15] <cnnx> make it seperate
[0:15] <cnnx> and allow more space for it
[0:16] <cnnx> for beginners its not required
[0:16] <mozak> do i need in cmdline.txt to add after root=/dev/sda2 home=/dev/sda3
[0:16] <cnnx> not sure i don't have a rpi
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[0:16] <mozak> i will risk it i guess xD
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[0:17] <GreeningGalaxy> I use a separate /home on my desktop systems since it makes migrating/multibooting distros easier
[0:17] <GreeningGalaxy> not on RPi though
[0:17] <GreeningGalaxy> You probably want to add extra volumes to /etc/fstab, not /boot/cmdline.txt
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[0:17] <GreeningGalaxy> I think cmdline.txt just specifies which volume is boot?
[0:17] <mozak> ok then i will end only to /etc/fstab
[0:17] <mozak> ok ty
[0:17] <cnnx> GreeningGalaxy: im trying to use this old p3 500mhz for irssi/tmux instead of buying a rpi, do you think its worth it?
[0:18] <cnnx> or i can use a vps at 5$/month
[0:18] <GreeningGalaxy> I don't even know what a p3 500mhz is, so I'm not going to pass judgement on the matter
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[0:19] <cnnx> it was a cpu released by intel in 1999
[0:19] <cnnx> codenamed coppermine
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[0:19] <GreeningGalaxy> I say if you know how to operate it, do, and in the cases where it's not enough, or you don't know how to work it, buy a Pi instead.
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[0:22] <mozak> in fdist what number shoud i put for <fsck> my /boot is atm 2 , / is 1 , what shoud i put for /home
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[0:22] <mozak> <fsck> sets the order for filesystem checks at boot time; see fsck(8).
[0:22] <mozak> oh found it
[0:23] <mozak> see fsck(8) kinda solved it xD
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[0:35] <sassinak-work> cnnx: what is the power consumption of the p3? I would say from that point of the the rpi would be cheaper in the long run
[0:35] <cnnx> you think?
[0:35] <cnnx> i couldnt find my wattmeter this morning
[0:35] <cnnx> so i cant tell for sure
[0:35] <cnnx> but its a p3 laptop
[0:35] <cnnx> from 2000
[0:35] <cnnx> toshiba satellite
[0:36] <sassinak-work> ah so, built in faulty UPS :)
[0:36] <mozak> https://github.com/raspberrypi/documentation/blob/master/hardware/raspberrypi/bootmodes/msd.md
[0:36] <cnnx> yes
[0:36] <mozak> wtf is on the end wrtied "Disconnect the power supply from the Pi, remove the SD card, and reconnect the power supply"
[0:36] <mozak> does rpi not need an sd card to point it to boot to hd?
[0:37] <mozak> anyway when i try to boot nothing heppends
[0:37] <BurtyB> mozak, not with a pi3
[0:37] <mozak> just get red light, i did all same ecept i made separete home partrition and addet it to fstap
[0:37] <mozak> ye i have pi3
[0:37] <mozak> but am not getting it to run
[0:38] <mozak> am using USBtoSata and sata drive
[0:39] <mozak> any suggestion
[0:39] <mozak> what to do
[0:40] <mozak> can i just poot /boot part on sd card and /root on hd
[0:40] <mozak> cuz this full boot whitout sd card does not work
[0:40] <Xark> mozak: That is possible.
[0:40] <ShorTie> did you burn the usb bit ??
[0:41] <cnnx> hi ShorTie
[0:41] <cnnx> how was the chicken work today
[0:41] <ShorTie> ok, wash down today
[0:41] <cnnx> cool
[0:41] <cnnx> my turn to work tomorow
[0:42] <cnnx> i get up at 4am
[0:42] <ShorTie> normally up at 3 for odd reason
[0:42] <cnnx> for work?
[0:42] <mozak> ShorTie, echo program_usb_boot_mode=1 | sudo tee -a /boot/config.txt
[0:42] <mozak> i did this and got
[0:43] <mozak> 17:3020000a
[0:43] <mozak> so guess yes
[0:43] <mozak> duno waht you mean exactly whit idd you burn the usb bit
[0:43] <ShorTie> think that is it
[0:43] <cnnx> tomorow our prime minister meets with your us president
[0:43] <cnnx> should be a fun meeting
[0:43] <cnnx> our meaning "canada"
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[0:50] <mozak> i got it working
[0:50] <mozak> by first powering up hd with external power
[0:50] <mozak> then turning on rpi
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[0:51] <mozak> There are many spinning disk drives that don’t respond within the allotted two seconds. It’s possible to extend this timeout to five seconds"
[0:51] <mozak> how can i extend thet time
[0:52] <mozak> i know its not power issue cuz i runed rpi wihit sd card purly from RPI usb power
[0:57] <sassinak-work> mozak: Google says you need to set program_usb_timeout=1 in config.txt to increase timeout
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[0:59] <mozak> sorry i was searching docs guess i am blind
[1:00] <mozak> am confused little
[1:00] <mozak> how will it know if i dont have sd card put in xD
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[1:01] <mozak> and if i change in /boot on hd
[1:01] <sassinak-work> its is a OTP setting, once it has been set from booting from the SD card it is "permenant"
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[1:02] <mozak> you mean i set it 1 time like that then it boots and writes that to somwere and then next time if i unplug sd card it will still use that setting
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[1:02] <mozak> ?
[1:03] <sassinak-work> yes
[1:03] <sassinak-work> I would presume the same as the program_usb_boot_mode option
[1:03] <mozak> then guess i can just edit it on hd /boot
[1:04] <mozak> do OTP settings write only on power off or can i just reboot?
[1:05] <ShorTie> burning that usb bit meabs it never looks for a sdcard again i do believe
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[1:06] <mozak> nah it looks if you put sdcard it boots form it
[1:06] <mozak> or meybe boots if it does not detected usb first
[1:06] <sassinak-work> from what I've read it appears it should be set regardless of if it is warm or cold boot
[1:06] <mozak> i will try then reboot xD
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[1:08] <ShorTie> # Only for RPi model 3: The following line enables the ability to boot from USB.# Notice: This flag will be written to OTP and is permanent.#program_usb_boot_mode=1
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[1:09] <ShorTie> and is permanent
[1:12] <sassinak-work> yes, it permenently enables booting from USB, does not disable booting from SD
[1:13] <mozak> yep i was adding dealy
[1:13] <mozak> program_usb_timeout=1
[1:13] <mozak> but i did first sudo apt-get upgrade
[1:13] <mozak> and after rebbot now it does not boot at all
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[1:13] <mozak> meybe i need to turn hd off totaly first
[1:15] <mozak> nice now it wont boot from hd at all
[1:15] <ShorTie> did you get the NEXT version of the firmare ??
[1:16] <mozak> can i just use sd card to point it to hd
[1:16] <mozak> ShorTie, https://github.com/raspberrypi/documentation/blob/master/hardware/raspberrypi/bootmodes/msd.md
[1:16] <mozak> i did from top to bot
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[1:23] <mozak> grrrrrrrrrrrr
[1:24] <mozak> it wont boot even using external power up
[1:24] <mozak> wierd stuff
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[1:28] <mozak> i just put an sd card and pointed it to hd
[1:28] <AlwaysAwkward> can a pi zero boot from usb?
[1:29] <mozak> nah
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[1:29] <mozak> you can put sd card and on it make it boot form usb
[1:29] <mozak> but /boot would be on sd card
[1:29] <mozak> you can put /root and others on USB
[1:30] <AlwaysAwkward> k
[1:30] <AlwaysAwkward> may I ask what software do you use in the pi?
[1:30] <mozak> me?
[1:31] <mozak> atm minimal, only terminal plan to use it as backup hd and to install mono gameserver
[1:31] <mozak> if all goes well xD
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[1:33] <AlwaysAwkward> I'd love to be able to run a live distro in a pc from a pi
[1:33] <AlwaysAwkward> but I don't think it'd be possible
[1:34] <BurtyB> AlwaysAwkward, it can boot over USB as a USB device with usbboot but not from a USB storage
[1:34] <mozak> https://github.com/raspberrypi/documentation/tree/master/hardware/raspberrypi/bootmodes
[1:34] <AlwaysAwkward> can you explain a bit?
[1:35] <mozak> meybe this
[1:35] <mozak> Special bootcode.bin-only boot mode
[1:35] <AlwaysAwkward> thing would be to connect pi via usb and boot a live distro from there?
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[1:35] <mozak> even i think i read somwere other in docs that it cant but duno i read alot stuff today xD
[1:36] <BurtyB> AlwaysAwkward, you use the usbboot tool to send over a kernel, from there it should be possible to use USB gadget network device and NFS mount it's root filesystem
[1:36] <BurtyB> (well send over kernel+initrd)
[1:37] <sassinak-work> you wouldnt be able to boot the Pi kernal on a usb connected devices as they are different architecture
[1:37] <AlwaysAwkward> alright, thanks
[1:37] <sassinak-work> easier to just use a live distro on a normal usb storage device
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[1:39] <AlwaysAwkward> okay
[1:43] <mozak> how much power can rpi USB port output?
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[1:45] <BurtyB> mozak, 1.2A (total) for the Pi3
[1:45] <mozak> ok just checking cuz my hd uses 0.6a
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[1:59] <cnnx> i cant find the I/O speed of class 10 sdcards
[1:59] <cnnx> the one that ships with the rpi kit im looking at
[1:59] <cnnx> says its fast
[1:59] <cnnx> but how fast
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[2:02] <mozak> class 10 is 10mb i thin
[2:02] <GreeningGalaxy> I can't remember if it's 10 megabyte or 10 megabit
[2:02] <GreeningGalaxy> megabyte, according to quick google
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[2:02] <mozak> https://www.sdcard.org/developers/overview/speed_class/
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[2:03] <GreeningGalaxy> Speed class 10 is equivalent to UHS class 1. UHS class 2 would be speed class 30, but the latter isn't a thing.
[2:04] <GreeningGalaxy> wait, that's UHS-II bus mode. ah, it's all in that page anyway
[2:05] <cnnx> but like
[2:05] <cnnx> is it 10megs/sec?
[2:05] <cnnx> or 100megs/sec?
[2:05] <cnnx> give me an idea
[2:05] <cnnx> of class 10 micro sd speed
[2:05] <GreeningGalaxy> 10 megabytes per second
[2:05] <cnnx> ok pretty slow
[2:05] <cnnx> compared to ssd which is 500mb/sec
[2:05] <GreeningGalaxy> that's write speed. I don't think read speed is appreciably different but I could be wrong.
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[2:06] <cnnx> i put my tmux/irssi on one of my vps
[2:06] <cnnx> so i dont need to buy the rpi anymore
[2:06] <GreeningGalaxy> Yes, as has been said many times, SD cards are optimized for cameras, and not much else. Expect purpose-built OS SSD performance and prepare to be disappointed
[2:06] <cnnx> wonder if i could find another reason to buy it
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[2:08] <GreeningGalaxy> Pi is a great general-purpose low-power super-reliable computer. Every Pi after the very first revisions of the Model B (B+/A+ through 3B) will probably never be EOL'd, and there's lots of support available.
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[2:09] <AlwaysAwkward> :(
[2:09] <AlwaysAwkward> I have a pi zero
[2:09] <AlwaysAwkward> and I don't know what to do with it which I can not do with a laptop
[2:10] <GreeningGalaxy> Zero is included in that interval, if that's what you're about.
[2:10] <GreeningGalaxy> oh, what to do with it?
[2:10] <AlwaysAwkward> ikr
[2:10] <AlwaysAwkward> yeah
[2:10] <phorce1_home> AlwaysAwkward: If you're thinking of the Pi in terms of "carry around and use like a laptop" just sell it to a friend.
[2:11] <oq> pi 1 will probably get EOL'd when they get sick of recompiling everything for the armv6
[2:11] <AlwaysAwkward> I think about it like something I can not get a second of
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[2:11] <GreeningGalaxy> I disagree, I think they'll support it as long as Debian does, which will probably be forever.
[2:11] <AlwaysAwkward> so I can't use gpio
[2:11] <oq> pi2 and 3 doesn't have that problem since it's armv7 and armv8 which debian themselves provide an arm image for
[2:11] <mfa298> oq: based on how popular the zero seems to be that could be a long way off
[2:12] <cnnx> so there's lots of add-ons for the pi i see?
[2:12] <GreeningGalaxy> Zero is best used as a really beefy hobby microcontroller, IMHO. It needs many times its weight in adapters to be useful as a desktop machine, but it's fantastic for its small size when you want to computerize something tiny
[2:12] <cnnx> i can build many things
[2:12] <AlwaysAwkward> "add-ons"
[2:12] <GreeningGalaxy> The best add-on for any development board is a piece of perf and a soldering iron, but yes, there are also lots of commercial HATs you can buy
[2:13] <AlwaysAwkward> is there any way to use the gpio without soldering?
[2:13] <oq> mfa298: sure
[2:13] <cnnx> GreeningGalaxy: i have a solodering iron
[2:13] <cnnx> a beginner one i got years ago
[2:13] <cnnx> for kids
[2:13] <cnnx> but it works
[2:13] <cnnx> think it was 10$
[2:13] <GreeningGalaxy> AlwaysAwkward: on a Zero? If you're determined, maybe, but it's really not very hard to solder a couple lines of pins into those holes
[2:14] <AlwaysAwkward> that is not an option
[2:14] <AlwaysAwkward> soldering is not an option, sorry
[2:14] <GreeningGalaxy> why not?
[2:14] <AlwaysAwkward> might be for you, it is not for me
[2:14] <AlwaysAwkward> I don't want to talk about the details if you do not mind
[2:14] <GreeningGalaxy> very well
[2:15] <oq> AlwaysAwkward: on a pi3 it comes with the gpio pins already in, and you can use a breadboard + jumper wires to play around with it without soldering
[2:15] <AlwaysAwkward> ikr
[2:15] <AlwaysAwkward> thing is mine is not a pi3
[2:15] <AlwaysAwkward> it is a pi0
[2:15] <cnnx> is it hard to control a gpio pin with C to toggle it on or off?
[2:15] <AlwaysAwkward> therefore I can not use jumper wires
[2:15] <oq> oh wait
[2:15] <cnnx> what function would i use
[2:15] <oq> I saw a product for this the other day
[2:15] <GreeningGalaxy> well I mean, you're welcome to try to fold wires in half and wedge them into the holes
[2:16] <GreeningGalaxy> but I don't think there's an ideal solution
[2:16] <mfa298> cnnx: wiringpi provides easy functions to use gpio
[2:16] <cnnx> in c
[2:16] <cnnx> ?
[2:16] <GreeningGalaxy> besides "get a Pi with the pins already soldered on" or "get someone to solder on the pins for you"
[2:16] <oq> AlwaysAwkward: https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/gpio-hammer-header
[2:16] <GreeningGalaxy> oh yeah, the hammer header! I forgot about that one.
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[2:17] <oq> AlwaysAwkward: https://thepihut.com/products/gpio-hammer-header-solderless
[2:17] <cnnx> mfa298: thank you
[2:17] <cnnx> thats what i was looking for
[2:17] <AlwaysAwkward> interesting
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[2:18] <mfa298> there are other ways to talk to gpio as well, but wiringpi is likely the easiest way to get started, other options maybe slow or will involve causing kernel panics
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[2:19] <GreeningGalaxy> I got someone else's code for direct register access to work in C++ once, but never managed to understand it myself. It was basically a very minimal equivalent to WiringPi I think.
[2:20] <GreeningGalaxy> I do almost all my programming in python
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[2:20] <cnnx> python is a higher language than C
[2:20] <cnnx> I learned C In college in 1994-1995
[2:20] <GreeningGalaxy> I'm aware
[2:21] <cnnx> i need to design something fun
[2:21] <cnnx> and put up a specs sheet
[2:21] <cnnx> and then build it
[2:22] <cnnx> making the pi the heart of it
[2:22] <GreeningGalaxy> I like interpreted languages mainly for how easy it is to hack someone else's code; the file you run and distribute is the same as the file you develop, so there's never any opaque binaries or platform-dependent compiling. Modern hardware is usually more than sufficient to run it, but I get that lower-level languages are still useful for lots of things
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[2:23] <cnnx> GreeningGalaxy: i think this kit is more interesting -> http://www.canakit.com/raspberry-pi-3-ultimate-kit.html
[2:23] <cnnx> for less money than the other
[2:24] <cnnx> on amazon
[2:24] <cnnx> if its in CAD
[2:24] <mfa298> I did some direct register access in C++ for the pi1, but I don't think that will be compatible with other pi models and took quite a bit of effort to get working
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[2:25] <mfa298> including a fair number of kernel panics and rebbots when I poked the wrong bit of memory
[2:25] <GreeningGalaxy> heh
[2:25] <GreeningGalaxy> cnnx: I think that's the kit my electronics class had us buy last year for class
[2:25] <GreeningGalaxy> it's good. The case especially is nice
[2:26] <GreeningGalaxy> heatsink is a bit pointless but hey
[2:26] <cnnx> cool
[2:26] <cnnx> maybe ill buy that one
[2:26] <mfa298> I'm probably writing more ruby code than c/c++ these days, getting something that works is much faster that way
[2:26] <GreeningGalaxy> three cheers for high-level languages! \o/
[2:29] <cnnx> GreeningGalaxy: got mixed up in my tabs
[2:29] <cnnx> GreeningGalaxy: give me some projects i could build with it
[2:29] <cnnx> ideas
[2:29] <cnnx> like a transciever?
[2:29] <cnnx> to communicate with another rpi miles away?
[2:29] <cnnx> is that possible?
[2:30] <GreeningGalaxy> easiest way is through the internet, probably
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[2:30] <cnnx> no if i want my own platform
[2:30] <cnnx> my own code
[2:30] <cnnx> my own hardware
[2:30] <GreeningGalaxy> sure, you can run your own code and own hardware to connect through the internet
[2:30] <cnnx> without the internet
[2:30] <GreeningGalaxy> I just wrote code to do just that for robotics purposes
[2:31] <GreeningGalaxy> uses python sockets and optionally works over an ad-hoc WLAN or the internet at large if the server end has a public IP
[2:32] <GreeningGalaxy> If you're trying to broadcast your own signal over a long distance, you'll want to make sure you know your local regs
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[2:33] <GreeningGalaxy> and you'll need a lot more hardware than just a pi
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[2:34] <mfa298> device to device communications is possible over radio, but tends to be limited to line of site.
[2:34] <mfa298> so it's much easier if they can both be on hills with no obstructions
[2:35] <cnnx> okay
[2:35] <GreeningGalaxy> If the endpoints aren't mobile, you might have some fun with laser communication. Get a laser diode, focusing optics, and a photodiode at each end, and then you can pretty much just wire it up to a serial bus
[2:35] <cnnx> my home is fine for one point
[2:36] <cnnx> but i dont own any land for another point
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[2:36] <cnnx> i cant use public propety to test hardware
[2:36] <GreeningGalaxy> why do you want to transmit over long distance to begin with?
[2:36] <cnnx> to learn
[2:36] <cnnx> its interesting to me
[2:36] <cnnx> oh
[2:36] <cnnx> i get your point
[2:36] <cnnx> start small
[2:36] <cnnx> right?
[2:36] <cnnx> like local
[2:36] <GreeningGalaxy> oh, well then make one endpoint your roof and the other endpoint your yard
[2:37] <cnnx> yeah that sounds like a fun summer project
[2:37] <mfa298> working in the ism bands you wont get particularly high bandwidths (a few kbit/s if your lucky)
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[2:38] <shauno> I can't remember the last time that was anywhere near true
[2:38] <shauno> (eg, wifi uses ism bands)
[2:39] <mfa298> I've had a pi, atmegas and CHIP sending sensor data over ism bands so it's doable
[2:39] <mfa298> shauno: I was refering to non wifi, i.e the sort of thing you can run over many miles
[2:39] <cnnx> GreeningGalaxy: thanks for the direction
[2:41] <GreeningGalaxy> I think the limiting factors on laser data transmission speeds will likely just be cable capacitances and photodiode amplifier speed. If you get a good transimpedance amplifier and decent RF cables, you could probably get well into the hundreds of megabits per second, and with an APD (pipe dream for a hobby project, but all the same) many gigabits. I think even cheap laser diodes will turn on almost as
[2:41] <GreeningGalaxy> fast as you like.
[2:42] <GreeningGalaxy> I have, for instance, a few SFH206K photodiodes that I got for about $1.50 each. Their transition time is measured in tens of nanoseconds, so theoretically they should go up to hundreds of megahertz
[2:43] <GreeningGalaxy> practically, I've had trouble building an amplifier that fast even with FETs, because the junction capacitance ruins my day, but I think there are ways around that with transimpedance amplifiers
[2:43] <cnnx> ok
[2:44] <GreeningGalaxy> anyway, I don't mean to talk your ear off. This is what my research at school is all about these days, lol
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[2:44] <cnnx> whats the laser called
[2:44] <mfa298> I suspect the limiting factors for laser comms will be detection and atmospheric stuff. There have been some groups in the ham community experimenting with that sort of communication which might give some interesting information
[2:44] <cnnx> is it a transceiver laser module?
[2:44] <cnnx> that i connect to the GPIO pins?
[2:44] <cnnx> for reading/writting?
[2:44] <cnnx> or more complicated
[2:45] <GreeningGalaxy> Oh, I was just imagining the general idea, not a specific product. It probably exists, I have no idea
[2:45] <cnnx> would i be reading 0's and 1's tru the laser transmission? and then build my bytes from that to form my characters and packets?
[2:45] <GreeningGalaxy> it'll basically just be a laser hooked up to a GPIO pin, though. Probably one of the serial interfaces, like the UART TXD pin for instance
[2:47] <mfa298> you might need to add some extra hardware in the middle if you use the uart, You'll may need a few laser pulses per bit to aid detection
[2:47] <cnnx> that would be a cool but rewarding project for me
[2:47] <mfa298> a bit like how ir works
[2:47] <GreeningGalaxy> I would let a serial port handle the transmission and reception timing and stuff like that. Look into using the RPi serial console, that will be a good place to start. Basically there's two pins on the Pi, the UART TX and RX; one (TX) transmits data as binary representations of ASCII characters, the other receives
[2:47] <cnnx> i can slow down the transmission at first
[2:47] <cnnx> set delays every 5 seconds between bits
[2:47] <cnnx> to make sure i read them right
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[2:47] <GreeningGalaxy> sure, it's easy to set the serial baud rate
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[2:48] <cnnx> but i have to align the 2 lasers?
[2:48] <cnnx> to form the communication line?
[2:48] <GreeningGalaxy> yup. It'll probably work to just widen the focus and aim in the general direction for your first tries, though.
[2:48] <cnnx> this sounds fun
[2:48] <cnnx> are these things expensive?
[2:49] <cnnx> the components
[2:49] <GreeningGalaxy> and do your eyeballs a favor and use a visible red laser. Infrared is risky, easy to burn your retinas and not notice. (and don't do green either, those use frequency doublers which are really slow)
[2:49] <GreeningGalaxy> nah, components are almost always cheap.
[2:49] <mfa298> you can get low power laser diodes fairly cheaply.
[2:49] <cnnx> i can hurt my eyes with these lasers?
[2:50] <cnnx> will the red be visible across my backyard in a bright summer day?
[2:50] <mfa298> class3 and above lasers can do damage
[2:50] <cnnx> can't i buy a safe laser?
[2:50] <GreeningGalaxy> you can hurt your eyes with most lasers, the source size is very tiny so that translates into a very small dot on your retina that it focuses down to
[2:51] <GreeningGalaxy> the safest laser is probably a low-power visible red. You can see it and know to blink, and it won't do any lasting damage.
[2:51] <cnnx> you sound like sheldon and his friends on the big bang theory hehe
[2:51] <cnnx> ok
[2:51] <cnnx> let me google for one on digikey
[2:51] <cnnx> see if i find
[2:51] <mfa298> whilst this is UK (and I'm guessing you're USA/Canada) this seemed to be informative and easy to read https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/laser-radiation-safety-advice/laser-radiation-safety-advice
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[2:52] <GreeningGalaxy> You're probably fine with IR, but I always get jumpy working with things that I can't see that can damage my eyes without my knowing it until later
[2:52] <cnnx> is it called a laser diod?
[2:52] <cnnx> diode
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[2:52] <cnnx> or laser module?
[2:52] <GreeningGalaxy> yes, laser diode. As opposed to a gas or crystal laser
[2:52] <cnnx> to me a diode is someting that lets a current pass 1 way only
[2:52] <cnnx> hence the line
[2:52] <GreeningGalaxy> laser module is a broader term that covers other kinds of lasers, you want a laser diode, the most common kind
[2:53] <cnnx> if i remember
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[2:53] <GreeningGalaxy> right, LEDs are just diodes that happen to produce light when electrons fall down their forward barrier potential. Laser diodes are just specialized LEDs that contain resonant cavities and produce stimulated emission
[2:53] <cnnx> what wavelenght do i want?
[2:54] <GreeningGalaxy> 650 nanometers is the most common red
[2:54] <GreeningGalaxy> and therefore the cheapest
[2:54] <cnnx> voltage input?
[2:54] <cnnx> 12v is pretty standard since ill put it in a solar setup
[2:54] <cnnx> is that ok?
[2:54] <cnnx> or it needs to be 3.3 or 5v
[2:54] <cnnx> for the gpio pins?
[2:55] <GreeningGalaxy> the forward voltage of an LED/laser diode is conveniently the same as the photon energy in eV
[2:55] <GreeningGalaxy> so for red, that's about 1 volt
[2:55] <cnnx> ok
[2:55] <mfa298> IR (as used in tv remotes) is led based so low power and not focussed into a tight beam, from memory there are also IR lasers which might be in the more powerful range (laser cutters)
[2:55] <cnnx> closest i found is 1.2v
[2:55] <GreeningGalaxy> you want to limit current, so just put in a resistor that holds the current low enough to keep from frying the thing
[2:56] <cnnx> current rating?
[2:56] <cnnx> 7ma all the way up
[2:56] <cnnx> many choices
[2:56] <cnnx> thats my amperage
[2:56] <cnnx> so i need enough power
[2:56] <cnnx> to send 100feet
[2:56] <GreeningGalaxy> right, the diode will come with a specification datasheet to be found online, which will include maximum ratings
[2:57] <GreeningGalaxy> power is current times voltage, so 0.001*mA*V
[2:57] <cnnx> P=EV
[2:57] <cnnx> so i know my volage is 1.2v
[2:57] <cnnx> P=1.2XA
[2:57] <cnnx> P=EI sorry
[2:58] <cnnx> i dont know my watts or amps
[2:58] <GreeningGalaxy> I don't know what the law is where you are, but in the US it's dubiously legal to use lasers over 5mW. I think that law really just applies to laser pointer sales specifically, and not hobby applications, but take due warning and don't get in trouble. and DEFINITELY don't risk pointing anything at an airplane.
[2:58] <GreeningGalaxy> P=VI, where I is current, because physicists are weird
[2:58] <cnnx> give me some legal values for my use case
[2:59] <cnnx> im just trying to get a spec sheet on a laser diod
[2:59] <cnnx> i need the watts and amps for the diod
[2:59] <cnnx> i have the volts 1.2v
[2:59] <mfa298> cnnx: what's legal (in terms of laser power etc) will depend on where you are
[2:59] <GreeningGalaxy> under 5mW is considered "safe" in that if you catch it in your eye and blink, you won't get any retinal damage. go above that at your own discretion; you may find that you won't be able to find the signal on a bright sunny day.
[2:59] <cnnx> us is similar to canada
[2:59] <cnnx> so give me us values
[2:59] <cnnx> ok
[3:00] <cnnx> so lets say 3mw
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[3:00] <cnnx> and the mA?
[3:00] <cnnx> i calculate that
[3:00] <cnnx> since i have 2/3 values
[3:00] <cnnx> right?
[3:00] <GreeningGalaxy> 0.003 W = I * 1.2 V, so I = 0.003 W / 1.2 V
[3:01] <GreeningGalaxy> so 2.5 mA
[3:01] <cnnx> ty
[3:01] <cnnx> the smallest digikey has in the list is 7ma
[3:01] <cnnx> would htat be ok?
[3:01] <cnnx> its up to i guess
[3:01] <GreeningGalaxy> that's fine, you can almost always go under the maximum ratings with no problem
[3:01] <cnnx> last thing
[3:01] <cnnx> package / case
[3:01] <cnnx> cylinder is one option
[3:01] <GreeningGalaxy> I mean, I've never heard of a laser diode that had a minimum power level, honestly
[3:01] <cnnx> module
[3:02] <cnnx> panel mount
[3:02] <cnnx> radial
[3:02] <mfa298> then work out the resistor value you need for the pi's 3v3 logic levels to limit the current to that level (ohms law v=ir)
[3:02] <GreeningGalaxy> uh, anything large with wires attached to it is great. Radial, probably.
[3:02] <cnnx> ok
[3:02] <GreeningGalaxy> just don't order some microscopic SMD thing that'll fly away in the breeze, lol
[3:02] <cnnx> radial 3 lead?
[3:02] <GreeningGalaxy> sure, I forget what the third lead does lol
[3:03] <cnnx> gnd
[3:03] <cnnx> my guess
[3:03] <cnnx> red black gnd
[3:03] <cnnx> usually
[3:03] <cnnx> let me see if my specs are in stock
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[3:03] <GreeningGalaxy> sure, I suppose if you're floating the thing all over the place or sending it very fast pulses a grounded case could be good
[3:04] <cnnx> 0 remaining
[3:04] <GreeningGalaxy> it could also just be nc and just there for structure
[3:04] <cnnx> great
[3:04] <cnnx> i cant see one
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[3:04] <cnnx> oh i just chose sharp products
[3:04] <cnnx> let me see from any company
[3:05] <cnnx> nothing
[3:05] <cnnx> so weird
[3:05] <GreeningGalaxy> here, just get these. https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/adafruit-industries-llc/1054/1528-1391-ND/5629439
[3:06] <GreeningGalaxy> cheap, and they have a collimator you can adjust to refocus them.
[3:06] <cnnx> ok who cares if i cant find them in stock
[3:06] <cnnx> for now
[3:06] <cnnx> i want to understand how they work
[3:06] <cnnx> once they are aligned
[3:06] <cnnx> is it like a modem
[3:06] <cnnx> on both ends
[3:06] <cnnx> i mean how do they know when to receive and when to transmit
[3:06] <GreeningGalaxy> what that is is just a cheap laser pointer with wires sticking out the back instead of a compartment for button batteries. Honestly worth a lot less than 6 bucks, but it's Adafruit.
[3:06] <cnnx> the software would control the serial?
[3:07] <GreeningGalaxy> right, there's been serial port software forever
[3:07] <cnnx> on linuc?
[3:07] <GreeningGalaxy> yup
[3:07] <cnnx> or you mean like minicom on linux
[3:07] <cnnx> its that simple?
[3:07] <GreeningGalaxy> yeah, minicom will work
[3:07] <GreeningGalaxy> the rest is electronics
[3:08] <cnnx> so i open minicom on both ends of the rpi's
[3:08] <cnnx> and align the lasers
[3:08] <cnnx> initialize the communication at the same rate
[3:08] <cnnx> so 1200bauds,N81 for example
[3:08] <cnnx> right?
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[3:08] <GreeningGalaxy> with that laser module, you can probably even just drive the laser directly from the GPIO pins (through a resistor) and not even bother with power circuitry
[3:08] <GreeningGalaxy> yep
[3:08] <cnnx> thats crazy simple
[3:08] <cnnx> i thought it was crazy hard
[3:08] <GreeningGalaxy> don't forget though you also need photodiodes at either end for reception, and probably amplifiers to get the signal loud enough to hear
[3:09] <cnnx> i mean if i type hello in the terminal it will appear on the other terminal tru the laser without any additional hardware other than the laser via the gpio?
[3:09] <GreeningGalaxy> and that's going to be the hard part, because in bright light your photodiodes will want to just peg and not hear any signal
[3:09] <GreeningGalaxy> That's the idea.
[3:09] <cnnx> ok
[3:09] <cnnx> photodiodes
[3:09] <GreeningGalaxy> You'll need to add a line to the config.txt to enable the UART, but that's trivial to find how to do
[3:09] <cnnx> dont know what those are
[3:10] <cnnx> UART is the communication IC chip on the rpi right?
[3:10] <cnnx> for seral
[3:10] <cnnx> serial
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[3:10] <GreeningGalaxy> A photodiode is just an unusually large diode with a big wide junction open to light. When a photon hits the junction, it knocks an electron out of the valence band and into conduction, and it becomes mobile. If you put a reverse bias voltage on the diode, you'll get a current dependent on how much light there is
[3:10] <GreeningGalaxy> yes
[3:11] <cnnx> so im not aligning the lasers into eachother then
[3:11] <GreeningGalaxy> the current will actually be pretty close to one electron per photon that arrives, although there are a few other factors involved.
[3:11] <cnnx> one laser goes into a photodiod
[3:11] <GreeningGalaxy> no, the lasers aren't detectors
[3:11] <GreeningGalaxy> sorry if that wasn't clear
[3:11] <cnnx> its ok
[3:11] <cnnx> so laser -> photodiode and photdiod -> laser the other way around
[3:11] <GreeningGalaxy> Each laser will go to the photodiode at the other end.
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[3:12] <GreeningGalaxy> it occurs to me at this point that you might be better off getting an IR laser and using cheap infrared-filtering phototransistors (IR Recievers)
[3:12] <cnnx> and i guess the higher the watts on these lasers the higher the distance the data can travel?
[3:12] <cnnx> ok i'd like to chat more but its 9:12pm here and i get up at 4:00am tomorow to get ready for work
[3:13] <GreeningGalaxy> and the brighter light you can operate in, generally. The other factor that determines that is photodiode bias voltage,... you know what, yeah, you probably want to go infrared and not deal with detecting a visible signal with all that visible noise (aka regular old light) flying around
[3:13] <GreeningGalaxy> okay, yeah, I should go to bed soon too
[3:13] <cnnx> okay we'll continue this
[3:13] <cnnx> have a good night
[3:13] <GreeningGalaxy> yep! good luck
[3:13] <cnnx> ty
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[3:50] <nintendo3DS> no real way to fsck an rpi partition from windows right
[3:51] <sir_galahad_ad> not that i know of
[3:51] <sir_galahad_ad> rpi partition?
[3:53] <leftyfb> you could but I wouldn't suggest it
[3:53] <leftyfb> there are ext4 driver for Windows. Though I don't really trust them
[3:53] <leftyfb> especially to fsck
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[3:54] <nintendo3DS> maybe I could mount it in a vm
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[4:27] <nintendo3DS> yeah, mounting it in a vm then using fsck worked
[4:27] <nintendo3DS> filesystem had a problem
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[7:19] <atomi> haha
[7:19] <atomi> time to reinstall
[7:19] <atomi> what distro? so I kmow not to use it\
[7:21] <[Saint]> ...wut?
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[7:28] <JakeSays> so does it make sense that /proc/cpuinfo shows model as "ARMv7" on a raspi 3?
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[7:40] <shauno> JakeSays: yes and no. it's expected, if that helps. it's to do with the cpu being ran in compatibility mode (for 32bit, and so the same software runs on all pi)
[7:40] <JakeSays> shauno: ah ok
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[7:57] <JakeSays> well wouldn't ya know - pi's dont boot off of disks formatted as a zip file. lol
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[8:00] <gzuh> any of y'all played around with AlexaPi?
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[8:09] <[Saint]> JakeSays: I...wut?
[8:09] <[Saint]> ...how?
[8:11] <[Saint]> incidentally...it /kinda/ can. but you at least need a kernel and ramdisk magic aware of how to unpack an archive.
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[8:13] <HoloIRCUser1> Hi guys it it possible to create a raspy cluster and play it like it was just one raspy
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[8:55] <dualcells> Holo: Yes, there have been more than a few example videos I've seen on YouTube. Have you tried typing 'raspberry cluster' into a search engine?
[8:55] <dualcells> http://climbers.net/sbc/diy-raspberry-pi-3-cluster/
[8:58] <dualcells> https://www.raspberrypi.org/magpi/cluster-computer-raspberry-pi-3/
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[9:05] <brainzap> good morning EU
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[9:09] <[Saint]> Good morning starshine.
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[9:21] <Zardoz> hey guys
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[9:27] <brainzap> how do I expand the storage of my esp8266, extra 8MB would be nice
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[9:33] <Habbie> brainzap, i recall it can do SD
[9:34] <Habbie> brainzap, also some boards have more storage than others
[9:35] <brainzap> I have the nodemcu with 4MB, but I want to record more data.
[9:35] <Habbie> can't network it?
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[13:21] <HoloIRCUser1> Hi guys me and my team are going to join a competition that emulates esa mission, where are allowed just raspberry and Arduino
[13:22] <HoloIRCUser1> Since we will process the data receive via radio through raspberries
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[13:22] <HoloIRCUser1> I was thinking to create a tiny cluster
[13:22] <HoloIRCUser1> But I've never worked with parallel programming neither with raspy
[13:23] <HoloIRCUser1> So my question is
[13:23] <HoloIRCUser1> Once the cluster had been set up
[13:23] <HoloIRCUser1> Will I have to program everything so that it's gonna slice the processes sharing it between the raspies
[13:24] <HoloIRCUser1> Or is there a way to do it automatically
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[13:28] <BurtyB> HoloIRCUser1, you'd need to split it up and distribute it most likely for each core on each machine you have in your cluster.
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[13:52] <Dworf> hi! anyone using codesys with raspberry? is there some easy way to autorestart demo every 2h?
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[13:53] <Doorcellar> Hi all
[13:53] <Dworf> (i haven't installed it yet, just thinking about to install)
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[13:53] <Doorcellar> I've just setup motion pie with a brand new official raspberry pi camera and it wont see the camera. I cant find much by doing a google search can anyone help?
[13:54] <CuSn> in bash: while : ; do Democommand & disown ; sleep 7200; done
[13:55] <Chocolophophora> what does the colon do ?
[13:55] <CuSn> if demo deos not end on its own: while : ; do pkill DemoCommand; Democommand & disown ; sleep 7200; done
[13:55] <CuSn> ":" as a logical is "true"
[13:55] <CuSn> so while : ; do x done is an infinite loop
[13:55] <CuSn> so while : ; do x; done is an infinite loop
[13:56] <Chocolophophora> obscure
[13:56] <CuSn> be careful using semicolon, you can create fork bombs which will freeze and may crash your system. (google for fork bomb. Iwon't post it here. )
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[13:57] <CuSn> Chocolophophora: It hasn't been obscure since 1983. :-) If you like you can choose something else that returns true for readability
[13:57] <CuSn> it's right in the man page.
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[14:00] <Dworf> mm
[14:00] <CuSn> ":" No effect; the command does nothing beyond expanding arguments and performing any specified redirections. A zero exit code is returned.
[14:01] <CuSn> so : is a place holder that always returns true: "A zero exit code is returned."
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[14:28] <deskwizard> 'morning! quick question for you guys... does the HDMI CEC show up in /dev?
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[14:54] <fred1807> Anybody here?
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[14:55] <Habbie> fred1807, many people here, just ask your question
[14:55] <fred1807> I am trying to install a fresh raspbian lite image on a headless pi. At first was impossible to ssh into it. Now I created a ssh file inside /boot, and still, impossible to login with user:pi pass:raspberry . This /boot/ssh file only works during the first boot of the image?
[14:56] <Habbie> no, it should work on later boots as well
[14:56] <Habbie> i know because i've forgotten it initially a few times already
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[15:24] <dualcells> fred1807: I think ssh is disabled by default for security because the username/password (pi/raspberry) is published.
[15:24] <dualcells> If you connect a monitor and a keyboard long enough to boot you can enable ssh with sudo raspi-config
[15:25] <ShorTie> or just create a /boot/ssh file
[15:28] <Habbie> ShorTie, which he did and is not working for him :)
[15:28] <Habbie> also he left
[15:29] <ShorTie> Sorry
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[15:32] <YuGiOhJCJ> hello, is there a problem with the https://www.raspberrypi.org/ website? no more menu and a single web page
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[15:33] <mfa298_> YuGiOhJCJ: I'm getting the same, was just about to ask as well
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[15:37] <gordonDrogon> temp. website issues - it'll be back soon.
[15:37] <YuGiOhJCJ> on this page they say raspberry pi 3 is only 35$ (so 32.96 Euro) but Amazon is selling it at 43.00 Euro https://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B01CD5VC92/ :(
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[15:37] <gordonDrogon> it's a free market. people can charge what they think they can get away with.
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[15:40] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://fr.farnell.com/raspberry-pi/raspberrypi-modb-1gb/raspberry-pi-3-model-b/dp/2525225 <- better price
[15:40] <RaTTuS|BIG> but you do have to add vat and shipping
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[15:50] <YuGiOhJCJ> RaTTuS|BIG, yes better price but only available for professional/business purpose, I have a pop-up asking me if I am or not and I am redirected if I am not :\
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[16:10] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://fr.rs-online.com/web/p/kits-de-developpement-pour-processeurs-et-microcontroleurs/8968660/?searchTerm=8968660&intcmp=FR-WEB-_-promoblock1-_-LP-RASP-PI-FR-sep-16-_-rasppi3b
[16:12] <IT_Sean> YuGiOhJCJ: you do know that you are allowed to lie on the internet. Right?
[16:13] <YuGiOhJCJ> hehe
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[16:15] <JakeSays> my pi is freezing during boot at "starting file system check on mmcblk0p1" - anyone else seen this?
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[16:29] <stevie86> Hi!
[16:30] <stevie86> I have trouble running youtube-dl on my raspberrypi.....
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[16:31] <Chocolophophora> works for me
[16:31] <stevie86> I get this error when running youtube-dl without sudo
[16:31] <stevie86> http://pastebin.com/M1h3HMCs
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[16:31] <Chocolophophora> have to get it from the site though, not the repo
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[16:32] <YuGiOhJCJ> type youtube-dl --version to see if it is old
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[16:34] <stevie86> I get this: http://pastebin.com/NKdEhaSF
[16:35] <YuGiOhJCJ> it is a "Permission denied" on "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/protobuf-3.2.0-py2.7.egg/EGG-INFO/namespace_packages.txt"
[16:36] <YuGiOhJCJ> do "ls -l /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/protobuf-3.2.0-py2.7.egg/EGG-INFO/namespace_packages.txt" to see the permissions in that file
[16:36] <stevie86> -rw-r----- 1 root staff 7 Feb 2 12:01 /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/protobuf-3.2.0-py2.7.egg/EGG-INFO/namespace_packages.txt
[16:36] <stevie86> belongs to root
[16:36] <stevie86> why?
[16:37] <YuGiOhJCJ> it is installed in "/usr/local" that means that you installed this package yourself
[16:37] <stevie86> yes... but it already worked before
[16:37] <stevie86> I had to reinstall the system
[16:38] <YuGiOhJCJ> your own protobuf package is probably wrong
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[16:38] <stevie86> protobuf?
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[16:39] <YuGiOhJCJ> yes protobuf is a package that is a dependency of mumble for example and as you can see it is the python library for protobuf
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[16:39] <YuGiOhJCJ> (that's what I guess from this path)
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[16:40] <YuGiOhJCJ> well the easy fix is to do "sudo chmod 644 /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/protobuf-3.2.0-py2.7.egg/EGG-INFO/namespace_packages.txt" but a better fix is to find from what package the "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/protobuf-3.2.0-py2.7.egg/EGG-INFO/namespace_packages.txt" file is and fix the package itself
[16:41] <stevie86> OK how do I find the package it belongs to?
[16:42] <YuGiOhJCJ> to know that I need to know the disto you are on... Ubuntu?
[16:42] <YuGiOhJCJ> *distro
[16:42] <YuGiOhJCJ> Raspbian I guess :p
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[16:43] <avu> Debian doesn't install anything in /usr/local, don't think Raspbian breaks with that rule. So it's probably something that got installed without apt.
[16:43] <YuGiOhJCJ> really you don't remember that you have downloaded protobuf yourself and did a "make install" step?
[16:44] <avu> But generally, you can find out which package a file belongs to with 'dpkg -S <path>'
[16:44] <stevie86> OK.. I'll give it a shot
[16:44] <stevie86> thanks
[16:44] <Rickta59> you could delete it and then whatever is using it will fail
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[16:45] <stevie86> so dpkg -S with the path to the namespace_packages.txt file
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[16:52] <stevie86> I'm on raspbian
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[16:53] <YuGiOhJCJ> see the official python-protobuf Debian package content: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/arm64/python-protobuf/filelist (nothing in /usr/local as you can see)
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[16:54] <Chocolophophora> wut
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[16:56] <YuGiOhJCJ> it means that you installed you own python-protobuf package or maybe you installed no python-protobuf package at all but you built from source code it then you typed 'make install', it does not remind something you did previously?
[16:56] <YuGiOhJCJ> *your
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[17:09] <max12345> hello, I think I interrupted the boot at a bad time and now my raspi is no longer booting
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[17:09] <max12345> what are my options, copy the data from an sd card reader and redo the OS?
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[17:11] <Conino> max12345, any specific errors being reported?
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[17:13] <YuGiOhJCJ> stevie86, what I guess from http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/pool/main/p/ is that "python-protobuf" is not officially provided by Raspbian (whereas it is by Debian) so that's why you installed it manually
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[17:13] <max12345> Conino: reading directory block? it does a register dump at the end
[17:14] <max12345> and I can't scroll so...
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[17:16] <Conino> you can try to reboot with no USBs inserted
[17:17] <Conino> if that doesn't work, then you should run fsck on it
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[17:22] <Viper168> yeah, fsck it
[17:25] <max12345> ok I put the card in, unmount it and "fsck /dev/sdbNUMBER" yes?
[17:26] <max12345> "dirty bit is set, remove it?"
[17:27] <Conino> yup
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[17:28] <max12345> ok, that's it?
[17:28] <Conino> after it's done
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[17:28] <Conino> hopefully it should boot fine
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[17:29] <max12345> it only asked to perform changes and then said I have y files and x/x clusters, so I guess it's done?
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[17:29] <max12345> hm. that was quicker than I thought...
[17:30] <Conino> depends on the size of your card
[17:30] <max12345> 16gb
[17:30] <max12345> doesn't look like that worked though...
[17:31] <Conino> are you certain it finished the fsck?
[17:31] <max12345> I put the command in the command line and I got the ~> back
[17:31] <max12345> (i use fish)
[17:32] <Conino> hmm
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[17:32] <Conino> should be fine then
[17:32] <max12345> hm...
[17:33] <Conino> if you create a file called "forcefsck" in / and put it back into the pi, what happens?
[17:33] <max12345> the sd card doesn't mount...
[17:34] <Conino> error?
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[17:34] <max12345> no I mean on my pc
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[17:35] <Conino> try a different port?
[17:35] <Conino> or reboot :D
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[17:37] <max12345> ya I'll reboot brb
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[17:38] <YuGiOhJCJ> stevie86, I tested the "dpkg -S" command and the usage is as you said: dpkg -S namespace_packages.txt
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[17:39] <YuGiOhJCJ> and maybe you will get something like: "dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern *namespace_packages.txt*"
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[17:39] <YuGiOhJCJ> is it what you get?
[17:39] <Tachaway> is fbtft built into the raspbian kernel or as a module or does it still have to be built?
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[17:41] <max12345> im back.
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[17:41] <Conino> wb max12345
[17:44] <chisight> Tachaway: pro hint, questions sent to both channels are usually ignored.
[17:44] <max12345> ok did it with gparted this time
[17:44] <max12345> so now I got a nice green checkmark telling me everything completed successfully
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[17:45] <Tachaway> they're also ignored if sent to one channel, heh
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[17:49] <chisight> it takes time for someone who knows the topic to happen to show up and read it.
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[17:50] <chisight> 3 minutes for something obscure usually isn't enough.
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[17:51] <max12345> ok so it's looking a lot greener in the booting than last time, but now there is a yellow [DEPEND] thing, and it looks like it's stuck
[17:52] <max12345> "Update UTMP about System Runlevel Changes" is what the dependency failed for
[17:53] <max12345> and it's still giving me EXT4-fs errors about not finding an inode
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[17:56] <max12345> I can still just grab the data and redo the OS right?
[17:57] <max12345> wouldn't that be simpler?
[17:57] <Conino> yes you can
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[17:57] <Conino> i was looking into the UTMP message... never seen it before
[17:58] <max12345> ... i can upload a photo of the error messages leading up to this?
[17:58] <Conino> sure
[17:58] <max12345> ok... just a second...
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[18:02] <max12345> hm my screen went black as I was ready to make the photo
[18:02] <max12345> after turning it off and on again, I get no green but the full ext4-fs errors... sending those instead.
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[18:04] <JakeSays> so on a pi3 why would this tree be used: device_tree=bcm2709-rpi-2-b.dtb instead of this one: device_tree=bcm2709-rpi-3-b.dtb?
[18:04] <max12345> I just wanted to give my pi a static ip :(
[18:04] <max12345> and now this :D
[18:06] <RoBo_V> there is nameserver set on my IP and it is being updated. But why I'm not able to ping it or connect ?
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[18:08] <Conino> RoBo_V, could be several reasons
[18:08] <Conino> are you using a router?
[18:09] <JakeSays> how long should a file system check take on a 32gb sd card?
[18:09] <RoBo_V> It was working earlier but not from last 2 days.
[18:09] <RoBo_V> Conino: yes
[18:10] <Conino> RoBo_V, ah it was working.... what has changed since? and changes in the router? firewall?
[18:10] <max12345> ok it's http://i.imgur.com/RRS6cAM.jpg
[18:11] <RoBo_V> Conino: enabled firewall on pi abut forwarded all ports and stuff. Also if I disable it still not able to ping.
[18:11] <RoBo_V> Infact im not able to ping direct ip tooo.. seems strange.
[18:12] <max12345> I guess I simply won the jackpot of disconnecting power at exactly the right/wrong time...
[18:12] <Conino> RoBo_V, sounds like you may have misconfigured something
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[18:13] <Conino> max12345, Kernel panic!
[18:14] <Conino> you're better off just saving the data you need and re-imaging the card.
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[18:16] <Conino> max12345, you may also have a defective card... sd cards are extremely sensitive and prone to die. I went through about 4 of them already
[18:16] <Conino> so what i did was use a pendrive instead for the main fs
[18:18] <pwillard> I had 3 Samsung's that all worked for one boot and then never again.
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[18:19] <max12345> ok alright, at least I have a name for the big bad evil now...
[18:20] <Conino> max12345, if you reimage it and it runs well for a week then you may be lucky
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[18:20] <Conino> you can also run a health check on it
[18:21] <max12345> ok, what's the command for the health check and that probably means I need a replacement yes?
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[18:23] <Conino> max12345, maybe "F3"
[18:23] <Conino> never used it but may be worth a shot
[18:24] <Conino> http://oss.digirati.com.br/f3/
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[18:29] <max12345> Conino: thank you very much!
[18:30] <Conino> max12345, no problem
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[18:48] <JakeSays> BAH!
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[18:51] <ShorTie> Humbug
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[19:01] <JakeSays> what is the initial pi password?
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[19:02] <leftyfb> raspberry
[19:02] <JakeSays> ah ty ty
[19:03] <leftyfb> you've been using a pi for at least 2 months and didn't know that?
[19:03] <JakeSays> leftyfb: lol i rarely need it
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[19:21] <EnrgySmth> So... if I am wanting to make an alarm clock out of a Raspberry Pi 3B - and there may not be internet access, do I need to add an RTC?
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[19:24] <leftyfb> EnrgySmth: or a GPS module to keep the time
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[19:24] <gordonDrogon> if you have intermittent internet access, then NTP will work just fine.
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[19:25] <gordonDrogon> although you might need something after a power cycle.
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[19:25] <Habbie> properly configured NTP, given connectivity, will fix your clock within seconds of startup
[19:25] <Habbie> otherwise, RTC indeed
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[19:26] <YuGiOhJCJ> the https://www.raspberrypi.org/ website is back :D
[19:26] <EnrgySmth> ok thanks all - appreciate the input. Network access will not be guaranteed, so RTC to be safe.
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[19:35] <JakeSays> hmm. my i2c bus isn't showing under /dev, but it is showing under /sys/class/i2c-adapter/
[19:35] <shiftplusone> JakeSays: is i2c_dev loaded?
[19:36] <gordonDrogon> you don't have the i2c-dev module loaded..
[19:36] <JakeSays> odd. i loaded the overlay for i2c-mux. it loaded, recognized my i2c expander and created 8 busses for it under /sys. you'd think it wouldnt load w/o i2c_dev
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[19:38] <shiftplusone> it did
[19:38] <kubast2> How would you wire a 12V 4 pin fan? 12V+[psu]Fan+ 12V-[psu]5V-[pin 6]Fan- PWM0[pin 12]Fan PWM?
[19:38] <shiftplusone> but how do you expect your mux to be used?
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[19:39] <JakeSays> shiftplusone: yeah i for some reason thought i2c was enabled.
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[19:40] <shiftplusone> it is. there is a distinction between kernel i2c drivers and the i2c_dev interface for userland.
[19:40] <ali1234> i2c-dev is the userspace interface. it is not required for kernel drivers
[19:40] <JakeSays> ahh ok
[19:40] <ali1234> and it is perfectly reasonable to use a mux entirely from kernel. and device tree overlays are entirely a kernel thing.
[19:40] <JakeSays> will raspi-config set that up?
[19:41] <JakeSays> heh. there they are.
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[19:45] <JakeSays> is it possible to drop the pi3 cpus to 900mhz?
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[19:45] <ali1234> yes
[19:46] <ali1234> i dont remember how though
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[19:46] <JakeSays> i have a ui framework that does not like the faster speed, and i don't have time to troubleshoot it
[19:46] <ali1234> that's very worrying
[19:47] <JakeSays> its a poorly written framework
[19:47] <JakeSays> i'm replacing it
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[19:47] <JakeSays> slowly
[19:47] <cub28> hoi!
[19:48] <cub28> ok, so i bought the parts for my raspberrypi, i photoshopped this so you guys can see it. why are there more pins of the board than on the tft display??
[19:48] <cub28> https://imgur.com/a/tC9pk
[19:48] <ali1234> because the tft is designed to be compatible with old pis that had less pins
[19:48] <cub28> will this work? i wasnt even thinking of hdmi for the display
[19:48] <ali1234> yes it will work
[19:48] <cub28> whew xD
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[19:48] <cub28> thank goodness
[19:48] <JakeSays> ali1234: does this ring a bell? arm_freq=900 in config.txt
[19:48] <ali1234> those are a pain to get working anyway though
[19:49] <cub28> so it's still be a decent frame rate and all?
[19:49] <ali1234> they need funny drivers
[19:49] <ali1234> JakeSays: yeah sounds reasonable
[19:49] <ali1234> its definitely config.txt
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[19:49] <ali1234> cub28: no, GPIO displays like that do not give "decent" framerates
[19:49] <JakeSays> cub28: i use a pitft-2.8 with the smaller connector. it works fine
[19:50] <cub28> crap, so i DID buy the wrong one D:
[19:50] <ali1234> it depends what you want
[19:50] <cub28> is thre a small one that has hdmi??
[19:50] <cub28> lemme show u what i want to display on it
[19:50] <ali1234> GPIO displays are literally the only one that can't do 60 FPS at a decent resolution
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[19:50] <cub28> how about 30??
[19:50] <ali1234> no, there is no small one that has HDMI
[19:50] <cub28> ugh -_-
[19:50] <ali1234> it depends on the resolution
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[19:50] <cub28> small perhaps
[19:50] <JakeSays> cub28: with adafruit's tft's pitft's you can use the gpu with them\
[19:51] <cub28> gimme a sec
[19:51] <ali1234> it does not matter if you use the GPIO, because the bottleneck is the SPI interface
[19:51] <ali1234> GPU can generate the images but you can't write it to the display fast enough
[19:51] <cub28> can it do this? https://i.imgur.com/fbvd1Go.gif
[19:52] <ali1234> probably yeah
[19:52] <cub28> probably?? *sigh*
[19:52] <JakeSays> i think its a bit fast
[19:52] <cub28> thats what makes it eye candy
[19:52] <ali1234> 256*192*2*30
[19:52] <ali1234> actually that probably isn't even 30 FPS
[19:52] <ali1234> stop motion animation is usually like 15 or 12 FPS
[19:53] <JakeSays> ah true
[19:53] <cub28> oh really? are u sure? it looks so smooth tho
[19:53] <ali1234> anyway that gives you 2.9 megabytes per second
[19:53] <ali1234> which is within what the SPI port can do i think
[19:53] <JakeSays> cub28: eye candy is in the eyes of the beholder. to me that looks pretty fugly.
[19:53] <cub28> lol
[19:53] <cub28> its pretty good for being hand drawn
[19:53] <ali1234> high framerates are difficult to spot if you are not highly experienced
[19:54] <JakeSays> its not the quality - its just annoying
[19:54] <cub28> yeah ur right
[19:54] <cub28> :p
[19:54] <cub28> dont like animation?
[19:54] <ali1234> anyway for a small display you want DPI
[19:54] <ali1234> but they are hard to obtain
[19:54] <ali1234> and need a lot of wiring
[19:55] <cub28> brb
[19:55] <ali1234> here is one http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-2-8-Inch-240-x-320-DOTS-Touch-TFT-LCD-Display-Module-Parallel-Interface-9325-/351462166327?hash=item51d4c70f37:g:JJoAAOSwgQ9VsIyO
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[19:56] <ShanShen> Hi! Has anybody had to sync a RPi folder to Google Drive?
[19:56] <ali1234> i was looking for a 320x480 DPI display the other day but there aren't any cheap on ebay
[19:56] <ali1234> actually that is not true. there are some, but they come soldered to a SPI controller board, which makes them rubbish
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[19:57] <ali1234> because really all LCDs are DPI
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[20:06] <cub28> ok back. im excited about this! i hope it works out to my liking
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[20:07] <cub28> do u think it will fit nicely in this? http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/7acAAOSwZ8ZXC0n~/s-l500.jpg
[20:08] <ali1234> if you remove the fan, sure
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[20:08] <cub28> hmm
[20:08] <cub28> or if i put the display outside of it?
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[21:23] <jmp0x2a> hi
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[21:24] <jmp0x2a> is there any difference in hw components of the pi1B(512MB) and the pi zero?
[21:25] <Zardoz> yes
[21:25] <jmp0x2a> pi0 can drive the hdmi but the p1 cant
[21:25] <jmp0x2a> that is my main problem for now
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[21:27] <Zardoz> what do you mean pi0 can drive the hdmi but the p1 cant
[21:28] <jmp0x2a> i have a tv with hdmi input, with the pi zero there is signal, but with the p1 there is no signal (according to the tv)
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[21:28] <ShorTie> did you boot the p1 with the tv on ??
[21:28] <Zardoz> they both use HDMIO
[21:28] <jmp0x2a> yes
[21:28] <Zardoz> HDMI
[21:29] <jmp0x2a> i even used the same (micro)sd
[21:29] <jmp0x2a> so there is no difference in configuration
[21:29] <ShorTie> i'd check the cable or use another
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[21:30] <Zardoz> they both should work.
[21:30] <jmp0x2a> what testpoints should i check on the pi1, i think its a voltage problem
[21:30] <jmp0x2a> ShorTie: i tried
[21:31] <Zardoz> waht power supply are you using?
[21:31] <jmp0x2a> i drive em with a 2A supply
[21:31] <jmp0x2a> one that came with a jbl bluetooth speaker
[21:31] <jmp0x2a> 5v 2.3a
[21:31] <ShorTie> but what about your micro-usb cable, does it have 24awg printed on it ??
[21:32] <Zardoz> thats most like not the issue
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[21:32] <ShorTie> cheap phone cords don't work well
[21:33] <jmp0x2a> i dont think jbl will ruin their reputation with cheap cords
[21:33] <jmp0x2a> so its unlikely
[21:34] <jmp0x2a> i also measured the powerusage (from the supply to the board
[21:34] <jmp0x2a> it's fine
[21:34] <ShorTie> ok, if you say so
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[21:36] <Zardoz> you can try and add these 2 lines in the config.txt hdmi_force_hotplug=1
[21:36] <Zardoz> and hdmi_drive=2
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[21:40] <jmp0x2a> 1 sec, i'll check. but i may have added it previously
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[21:43] <jmp0x2a> ah, wait
[21:43] <jmp0x2a> what a twist
[21:44] <jmp0x2a> the pi was used, and the guy gave a microsd card with the adaptor
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[21:44] <jmp0x2a> somehow the adaptors plastic was broken
[21:44] <jmp0x2a> now that i changed out the adaptor with a good one it works
[21:45] <jmp0x2a> i am really suprised now
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[21:48] <jmp0x2a> anyway, thanks for the help Zardoz and ShorTie ^^
[21:48] <Zardoz> welcome
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[22:13] <acidvegas> h
[22:13] <acidvegas> anyone here ever use the pi grrl zero
[22:13] <acidvegas> im curious how long the battery would last on that
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[22:15] <gordonDrogon> until it's flat ...
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[22:20] <IT_Sean> that ^
[22:20] <IT_Sean> thank you, gordonDrogon, for that highly technical answer.
[22:20] <ali1234> what is the battery capacity?
[22:21] <ali1234> 2000mAh should easily last 8 hours
[22:21] <gordonDrogon> sometimes the obvious needs stating :)
[22:21] <IT_Sean> You'll get no argument from me on that
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[22:22] <Zardoz> and thats 8 hours run time...
[22:23] <acidvegas> [04:21] < ali1234> 2000mAh should easily last 8 hours
[22:23] <acidvegas> yeah thats what i have
[22:23] <acidvegas> im not using a pi grrl zero but
[22:23] <acidvegas> im making something similar
[22:23] <acidvegas> a ds dized laptop
[22:23] <ali1234> you will have to measure power consumption to be sure
[22:23] <acidvegas> w/ the pi zero screen and keyboard
[22:23] <acidvegas> https://github.com/geerlingguy/raspberry-pi-dramble/issues/58
[22:23] <acidvegas> im trying to do this
[22:23] <acidvegas> toi convserve power
[22:24] <acidvegas> but my arch doesnt use rc.local
[22:24] <ali1234> it wont save much
[22:24] <ali1234> the screen will use about as much as the pi
[22:24] <acidvegas> i know
[22:24] <acidvegas> it sames
[22:24] <acidvegas> 30ma tho
[22:24] <acidvegas> anything to conserve power
[22:24] <acidvegas> will add up
[22:24] <acidvegas> for longer life
[22:24] <acidvegas> im running arch on it
[22:24] <ali1234> 30mA sounds like too much to me
[22:24] <acidvegas> which will help
[22:24] <acidvegas> > Disable HDMI port on boot (save ~30 mA per Pi) #58
[22:24] <ali1234> the zero only uses about 150mA
[22:25] <ali1234> i know that is what it says. i don't believe it though :)
[22:25] <acidvegas> cant hurt to try
[22:25] <ali1234> it might save 30mA if it is actually plugged in to a TV
[22:25] <ali1234> anyway you just have to run that command at bootup
[22:25] <ali1234> it does not matter how or when you do it
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[22:27] <acidvegas> what do u think is the best route to do that
[22:27] <ali1234> i dont know, i dont use arch
[22:28] <acidvegas> https://arashmilani.com/post?id=86
[22:28] <acidvegas> ill try making a service file
[22:28] <acidvegas> out of it
[22:28] <ali1234> yes that is what i would do
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[23:00] <gsora> do any of the existing raspberries decode h265?
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[23:01] <Hitechcg> all of them are based on the VideoCore IV, which does not do hardware h.265
[23:01] <gsora> i'm using moonlight (which is working great with h264) and an h265 decoder would be great
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[23:01] <gsora> damn :-/
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[23:41] <louisdk> Is a heatsink really needed for the pi3 if I mainly use it for 1080p playback?
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[23:44] <HrdwrBoB> depends
[23:45] <HrdwrBoB> on airflow, environment, etc etc
[23:47] <louisdk> HrdwrBoB: I'm using my pi3 in a clean environment, but it comes free with an official case I'm about to order. It does add any noise right? :)
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[23:49] <HrdwrBoB> what does 'clean' mean
[23:49] <HrdwrBoB> I mean ambient temp.
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[23:51] <louisdk> About 18-20°C. Ventilated daily.
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[23:55] <louisdk> Back
[23:56] <gsora> my raspberry zero restarts hdmi connection every 1-2 minutes, anyone has this behaviour?
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