#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2017-02-14

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[0:14] <cnnx> hi
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[0:49] <cromulent> how do people activate a monitor without having a keyboard plugged in all the time? VNC or something?
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[0:49] <cromulent> I'd like to keep the monitor on as a display for charts and stuff
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[1:13] <InfoAddict> http://kubecloud.io/guide-installing-dashing-dashboard-on-raspberry-pi/
[1:13] <InfoAddict> At the bottom it will tell you what to do to keep the screen alive.
[1:14] <cromulent> thanks I'll take a look!
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[1:49] <Ruzzy> A
[1:50] <Ruzzy> I'm trying to choose an os for my pi. The desired system just needs to be for torrents and have an external usb hard disk connected
[1:50] <Ruzzy> and only an os that is still actively supported
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[1:51] <cromulent> does raspbian work for you?
[1:51] <Ruzzy> kind of. it didn't play nice with the usb hard drive when I tried it years ago
[1:51] <Ruzzy> haven't tried since
[1:52] <Ruzzy> willing to try it but I want as much usability in a headless as possible
[1:52] <cromulent> I'd say give raspbian a try. lots of projects which do exactly that
[1:52] <hmoney> usb hard drive isnt an raspbian issue it would be a lack of power issue
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[1:54] <ragedragon> Ruzzy, using Raspbian or an other distro will give you the same package list...
[1:54] <ragedragon> Ruzzy, using torrents you need to install packages to manage it a torrent client
[1:55] <ragedragon> using gtk/web server or an other console client
[1:55] <ragedragon> for an usb hdd, same way, each distro unix like will provide you the same feature
[1:56] <ragedragon> kernel, userspace daemon, application using mounting filesystem
[1:57] <ragedragon> Ruzzy, the only difference between distros will be how it is support the non arm space
[1:57] <Ruzzy> well if they are all debian derivatives
[1:57] <ragedragon> (SoC and his api...
[1:59] <ragedragon> after if you are using an armv6hf platform -> raspbian
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[2:00] <ragedragon> about your hdd, what is the problem exactly?
[2:00] <Ruzzy> don't remember, it was aeons ago
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[2:01] <Ruzzy> I was just asking because I assumed the OS scene has change since I last installed
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[2:01] <ragedragon> ok
[2:02] <Ruzzy> it seems raspbian is still the titan
[2:04] <ragedragon> the difference between distros is how they handle the firmware or gpu apis as it is more broadcom specific
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[2:04] <Ruzzy> ok
[2:05] <ragedragon> and in the past the cpu ... as debian did not compatible with armv6hf
[2:05] <ragedragon> pi1 in this case
[2:06] <Ruzzy> I got version 1 model b
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[2:16] <ExtraSteve> Is there a preferred http daemon to run on a pi (zero)?
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[2:16] <ExtraSteve> I assume lighttpd or something?
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[2:17] <Ruzzy> I believe nginx is lightweight
[2:17] <Ruzzy> but I don't know if they went lightweight to the max for a pi
[2:18] <ExtraSteve> Yeah, I'm pretty familiar with nginx so I was hoping I could use that
[2:18] <ExtraSteve> I know apache is going to be a bit fat for my purposes though
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[2:19] <Ruzzy> apache is also infuriating to use for me
[2:20] <Ruzzy> ExtraSteve: you're gonna love this
[2:20] <Ruzzy> https://www.jeremymorgan.com/blog/programming/raspberry-pi-web-server-comparison/
[2:20] <ExtraSteve> hah, I just found that and was about to link to it
[2:20] <ExtraSteve> :p
[2:20] <Ruzzy> :D
[2:20] <ExtraSteve> Yeah, I think it'll be nginx
[2:20] <Ruzzy> honestly nginx shines in almost every test so I reckon do it
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[2:21] <ExtraSteve> I suppose the daemon probably won't be the bottleneck anyway
[2:21] <ExtraSteve> It'll most likely be my code
[2:21] <Ruzzy> what kind of code?
[2:21] <ExtraSteve> Most likely php
[2:21] <Ruzzy> a
[2:21] <Ruzzy> Guess so
[2:22] <ExtraSteve> And I know mod_php is damn slow on apache, so that's out
[2:22] <Ruzzy> but worrying about ram consumption on a pi is still a good idea
[2:22] <ExtraSteve> nginx uses fcgi
[2:22] <ExtraSteve> Yeah
[2:22] <ExtraSteve> Maybe I'll go python or perl
[2:22] <Ruzzy> considering a django app?
[2:22] <Ruzzy> perl has more hacker street cred of course
[2:23] <Ruzzy> but I find that with python I can get results quickly
[2:23] <ExtraSteve> I've never used django, actually
[2:23] <ExtraSteve> I'm a lot more familiar with perl, tbh
[2:23] <ExtraSteve> Since Iuse it at work
[2:23] <ExtraSteve> But I *like* python better
[2:23] <Ruzzy> when you use perl do you use it in a framework?
[2:23] <ExtraSteve> vanilla :)
[2:24] <Ruzzy> hardcore
[2:24] <ExtraSteve> Sometimes mojo
[2:24] <ExtraSteve> Depends on what I'm doing
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[2:26] <ExtraSteve> I'll give django a go
[2:26] <ExtraSteve> I've always needed an excuse to mess with it
[2:26] <ExtraSteve> ANd I do like my python...
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[2:26] <Ruzzy> go for it. just make sure you understand virtualenv and pip first.
[2:26] <Ruzzy> do you use git?
[2:27] <ExtraSteve> yep
[2:28] <ExtraSteve> Never used virtualenv, but I'm reading up now
[2:29] <ExtraSteve> And holy crap, does virtualenv exist for node.js?
[2:29] <ExtraSteve> If not why not?
[2:29] <ExtraSteve> I can't tell you how many times I've wanted something like this for perl or node...
[2:30] <Ruzzy> I thought npm installs stuff into a project directory anyway right?
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[2:30] <ExtraSteve> Well, I suppose that depends on how you install the node lib
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[2:31] <ExtraSteve> perl on the other hand, I think you just have to use local::lib;
[2:31] <ExtraSteve> Which is still a headache because you have to dick with $PATH
[2:31] <ExtraSteve> meh
[2:33] <Ruzzy> python has really good tools for packages and stuff
[2:34] <Ruzzy> also take my advice and when making a virtualenv, specify the python version
[2:34] <ExtraSteve> I assume I should shoot for python 3 as opposed to 2.7?
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[2:34] <Ruzzy> sometimes -p python3 does it, sometimes you need an absolute path. but do it.
[2:34] <Ruzzy> ExtraSteve: for Django, definitely yes
[2:35] <ExtraSteve> Good to know
[2:35] <Ruzzy> py3 has been the norm in django when I started using it in 2015
[2:35] <Ruzzy> probably was the case earlier than that.
[2:35] <Ruzzy> also there's a great #django channel on freenode. good guys there.
[2:36] <ExtraSteve> You can bet your ass I'll be bugging them once I get going :)
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[2:36] <Ruzzy> :D
[2:36] <Ruzzy> a lot of the time they will say "read the doc" which is fair because the official doc is pretty comprehensive
[2:36] <ExtraSteve> psh, reading is for chumps
[2:36] <Ruzzy> :3
[2:36] <ExtraSteve> lol
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[2:46] <Ruzzy> ExtraSteve: django has really good defaults
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[2:50] <ExtraSteve> yeah?
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[3:01] <Ruzzy> ExtraSteve: yeah. it has a nifty authentication framework built in
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[5:25] <acidvegas> hi
[5:27] <Ruzzy> HI
[5:27] <acidvegas> wuddup
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[5:38] <Ruzzy> acidvegas: was just trying to pick an os for my model b
[5:40] <abigfatgoat> Hey guys, wondering if anyone here has directly interfaced the adafruit coin acceptor with the Pi
[5:40] <abigfatgoat> My google-fu is weak and I can't seem to find anything on it
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[5:48] <abigfatgoat> hmm I guess it's pretty dead in here since it's late :(
[5:48] <abigfatgoat> I'll try back tomorrow.
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[5:50] <chisight> I'm sure there are plenty here.
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[5:53] <Ruzzy> his question was pretty specific
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[5:58] <chisight> well, specific but badly formed. asking someone to write a blank check like that.
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[7:08] <ColdFyre> I have a new RPI3. Red light comes on solid, but it won't boot, the green LED keeps flashing in 1 second intervals. The SD card, 2.5A power supply, HDMI connected device all boot fine on another board. I also tested a different card/power supply to no avail. Is this board toast?
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[7:22] <chisight> ColdFyre: I'd start with a google search like: blink pattern boot site:raspberrypi.org
[7:23] <chisight> that should confirm what those blinks are telling you.
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[9:31] <cnnx> GreeningGalaxy: good morning
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[9:37] <Wizard> Does raspbian have some I/O optimizations enabled? It runs considerably faster then other linux distros
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[9:37] <oq> Wizard: could be that debian just is the bestest distro there ever was
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[9:38] <Wizard> I do not agree ;)
[9:38] <Lartza> Arch is love, arch is life
[9:39] <Lartza> Debian does annoying things and gets in the way :P
[9:39] <Wizard> Yeah, I like arch
[9:39] <Wizard> However, still no vscode running :/
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[9:39] <Wizard> Today I’ll try building it manually
[9:39] <Lartza> ?
[9:39] <Wizard> Well, I set up arch/arm yesterday, it works quite fine.
[9:40] <Wizard> I’d prefer it over debian, since debian is kind of „free software museum” :P
[9:40] <Wizard> Las Linux I dared to run as daily desktop
[9:40] <Lartza> But what's the issue with vscode?
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[9:43] <Wizard> MS doesn’t provide linux/arm packages ;)
[9:43] <Lartza> Right
[9:43] <Wizard> And building it from source is a nightmare, since it is written using this electron crap
[9:43] <Lartza> Isn't vscode oss though?
[9:43] <Lartza> :D lol
[9:44] <Lartza> It's in AUR for 99% certainty
[9:44] <Wizard> It is. I tried building it yesterday and it failed :P
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[9:44] <Wizard> Today I’ll try building 1.9.1 from source
[9:44] <Wizard> We’ll see
[9:45] <Wizard> On raspbian build worked, however it didn’t start due to some library issues
[9:45] <Wizard> I don’t recall
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[10:31] <brainzap> in the future linux apps come as docker container so nobody has to care about the dependencies
[10:31] <BurtyB> in the future I still won't get the point of docker
[10:31] <Armand> Eeewwww
[10:31] <Lartza> brainzap, No they won't
[10:31] <Lartza> flatpak maybe, docker no
[10:31] <Lartza> :P
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[10:32] <Lartza> And I still won't use them
[10:32] <Lartza> I'll switch to Windows Server if I have to switch to docker or flatpak
[10:33] <brainzap> do it!
[10:33] <Lartza> I don't have to now
[10:33] <Lartza> That's just my level of hatred towards docker, for reference
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[10:39] <chra94> Having used Ubuntu, would you advice I use NOOBS or Debian on my zero?
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[10:40] <chra94> *using ubuntu
[10:40] <ShorTie> debian
[10:40] <Lartza> *Raspbian
[10:40] <Lartza> :P
[10:40] <chra94> Yeah *Raspbian
[10:40] <chra94> Okay, thanks :)
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[10:40] <mlankhorst> Lartza: soon you'll be able to run docker on windows too
[10:41] <Lartza> I think you already are
[10:41] <Lartza> To some degree
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[10:41] <Lartza> But with Windows I'd have options :P
[10:41] <ShorTie> Raspbian is the most optimized os for the pi
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[10:41] <Lartza> ShorTie, Debatable
[10:41] <Lartza> ...
[10:41] <Lartza> There's nothing making Raspbian that special
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[10:44] <chra94> What are you doing with your Pies/PIs?
[10:44] <chra94> also what's the plural form of Pi?
[10:45] <mlelstv> We are the Pi
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[10:47] <Lartza> One pi is a rasplex at my mothers and one pi2 is kind of a home server for me
[10:48] <Lartza> running Arch Linux ARM
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[10:49] <chra94> Lartza, what uses does the server have? If I may ask
[10:49] <ShorTie> since it is a name, plural is 's, i do believe
[10:50] <Lartza> chra94, ZNC and a status page thingy currently, I think
[10:50] <Lartza> :p
[10:51] <chra94> Nice, I'd make a ZNC if my connection were stable
[10:51] <chra94> Arch seems nice though
[10:51] <chra94> ShorTie, I thought you'd only use the apostrophe if it's genetive (or ownership)
[10:52] <Lartza> It's a backup ZNC really for me
[10:52] <chra94> But then I hate to be wrong, are you a native speaker ShorTie?
[10:52] <Lartza> I've got a dedicated server at OVH running my main server things
[10:52] <chra94> Sorry Lartza, what's OVH?
[10:52] <Lartza> But if something happens, the Pi ZNC tries to grab my IRC nickname back
[10:52] <chra94> that's cool
[10:53] <Lartza> OVH is a huge server provider from France, but international
[10:53] <Lartza> Like maybe the biggest in the world :P
[10:53] <chra94> oh
[10:53] <chra94> Today I learned
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[11:07] <exo-squad> what os do you people perfer for your pi3s?
[11:08] <exo-squad> im trying ubuntu mate for the first time to see how it runs
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[11:10] <graygoose124> exo - anything barebones, arch, i3
[11:11] <exo-squad> im going to compile some stuff..
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[11:13] <Lartza> Wizard, Oh right, Pi doesn't have enough RAM to build vscode without swap
[11:13] <Lartza> Probably
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[11:15] <exo-squad> its for some nfc/rfid stuff
[11:18] <chra94> Will a pi zero work with a usb hub?
[11:18] <oq> chra94: yes
[11:18] <chra94> <3
[11:18] <oq> with one qualifier
[11:18] <chra94> what's a qualifier?
[11:18] <oq> you'll need an otg adaptor
[11:18] <chra94> I've got that
[11:19] <chra94> oh ok
[11:19] <oq> k
[11:19] <chra94> thanks
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[11:54] * olivetree_ oi ppl :)
[11:54] <chra94> oi olivetree_ :)
[11:54] <olivetree_> hi
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[12:53] <g105b> I have bought one of these: http://i.imgur.com/32qNzZ5.png and it has an I2C "backpack" already installed (the back of the LCD looks like this: http://i.imgur.com/bth1Fty.png). Do I need anything extra in order to draw to the display? I've plugged the display into 3.3v from the pi, and attached the SDA and SDL pins to the pi's pins 3 and 5, now reading up
[12:53] <g105b> what to do and there is a lot of mention of something called a "level shifter". Please help.
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[13:07] <gordonDrogon> g105b, you can drive it via a C program using wiringPi fairly easily. however outside that environment, I haven't a clue.
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[13:20] <g105b> gordonDrogon: No need for a so called level shifter as far as you know?
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[13:21] <gordonDrogon> g105b, it depends on how it's made. (and there's nothing "so called" about level shifters - they're real things)
[13:21] <gordonDrogon> do you have a link to the data sheet for example?
[13:22] <gordonDrogon> however - it will work with a Pi. If the backlight works at 3.3v then you don't need a level shifter.
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[13:23] <gordonDrogon> if it doesn't work, then you'll need to feed it 5v. Even then, the I2C bus is a pull-down bus, so it will be fine on the Pi for the most part.
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[13:24] <HrdwrBoB> no, level shifters are voodoo magic
[13:24] <HrdwrBoB> nobody understands how they work
[13:24] <gordonDrogon> really? I do.
[13:25] <HrdwrBoB> </sarcasm>
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[13:26] <chisight> so you're saying the pi i2c pins arr 5v tolerant? the pullup on 5v i2c pulls to 5v, not 3.3v.
[13:27] <chisight> (yes, i realize internal pullups are not common on slaves)
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[13:31] <brammm> hi, I put Plex Media Player on my Raspberry Pi 2 and after some fiddling, discovered that I needed to set hdmi_group to 2 and hdmi_mode to 82 to get picture on my tv through my av receiver.
[13:31] <brammm> I now have crisp 1080p video
[13:31] <brammm> but no sound over hdmi
[13:31] <brammm> Is there anything else I can try in the config?
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[13:34] <g105b> gordonDrogon: I "so called" them, because its a new term to me. The backlight works fine at 3.3v. This is the LCD screen's documentation: https://www.beta-estore.com/download/rk/RK-10290_410.pdf
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[13:34] <waveform> brammm, check hdmi_drive - if it's set to 1 that's DVI mode which won't send sound over the HDMI interface (set it to 2 instead)
[13:36] <brammm> waveform: lol now my tv isn't getting picture anymore. would it be worth trying hdmi_group=1, hdmi_mode=16 now?
[13:36] <waveform> sure
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[13:37] <Hanonim> Hi folks !
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[13:38] <Hanonim> Is anyone familiar with pi4j ? i'd like to know if there is a way to restart the gpio controller after it has been shutdown
[13:39] <brammm> waveform: damn, no luck :( picture is gone
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[13:43] <waveform> Hanonim, can't say I'm familiar with it but can you not just reconstruct the controller?
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[13:48] <Hanonim> waveform: getInstance returns the same controller object which is still shutdown :(
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[13:51] <waveform> so don't use getInstance? Construct another instance manually? Just skimming the docs and I'm not yet clear on the relationship of gpio "providers" and "controllers" though
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[13:51] <waveform> (may be that both a provider and controller need constructing in that case)
[13:51] <waveform> doesn't look like there's any way of resurrecting a controller after shutdown though
[13:52] <brammm> Right, so hdmi_group=2, hdmi_mode=82 gives me 1080p picture but no sound over hdmi, hdmi_drive=2, hdmi_group=1, hdmi_mode=1 gives me VGA picture with sound. But hdmi_drive=2, hdmi_group=1, hdmi_mode=16 (or 5) gives no picture. Wtf
[13:53] <Hanonim> from my understand there is one controller per platform (rpi, bananapi, etc...) and the provider merely returns what is suited (the rpi controller if the library is running on an rpi)
[13:53] <Hanonim> *understanding
[13:53] <waveform> Hanonim, hmm, actually it looks like there's one *provider* per platform and the controller is a high level interface (with one implementation) that uses the platform-specific provider to do stuff
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[13:54] <waveform> (the shutdown method looks like it's largely to do with cleaning up background listening threads doing stuff like edge detection)
[13:55] <Hanonim> now, there is a ctor for GpioControllerImpl that accepts a GpioProvider, i'll try this
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[13:57] <Hanonim> waveform: yes, seems to work !
[13:57] <waveform> good stuff :)
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[14:01] <Hanonim> waveform: pi4j is very complete, but a bit of a pain to work with
[14:01] <gordonDrogon> g105b, ok - all you need to do is hook it up and write some C code for it.
[14:01] <Hanonim> it's very (very!) java-esque
[14:01] <Hanonim> i'm writing a clojure wrapper to make it simple :)
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[14:02] <gordonDrogon> someone (some people?) have wiringPi wrappers for pi4j, but I know nothing whatsoever about them. it's not a language I'm remotely interested in.
[14:03] <waveform> Hanonim, ah - lovely stuff. Can't say I'm a fan of Java (although last time I used it seriously, it was version 2 ;) but clojure sounds nice
[14:04] <waveform> much less boiler-plate!
[14:04] <Hanonim> a lot more sane, really
[14:04] <waveform> well, it's lisp-based so I'm not sure about "sane" but certainly more fun ;)
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[14:05] <Hanonim> lisp is very sane once you're used to it. actually, syntax-wise, it couldn't be any simpler
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[14:08] <waveform> it's certainly about as simple as you can get syntax wise (ignoring esolangs :), but I maintain it might have taken that minimalism a little too far (I rather liked Ocaml for functional stuff once upon a time, but it does lack lisp's "purity")
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[14:09] <waveform> anyway, great to hear there's another language with GPIO support - the more the merrier!
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[14:28] <cromulent> can I run any distro on the pi?
[14:28] <Habbie> not any
[14:28] <Habbie> but there are several
[14:28] <cromulent> what is the restriction?
[14:28] <cromulent> like could I run Arch if I wanted to?
[14:28] <Habbie> the restriction is that not every distro has done a release for pi
[14:28] <Habbie> yes, i believe arch exists
[14:28] <cromulent> cool ty
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[14:41] <gordonDrogon> waveform, RTB BASIC has GPIO support too :-)
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[14:49] <waveform> gordonDrogon, excellent :) I do like a bit of variety in programming languages!
[14:50] <gordonDrogon> I wish it were more popular though ..
[14:50] <gordonDrogon> still, if it's good enough for microsoft then ... (basic that is!)
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[14:54] <Hanonim> what is the difference between exporting and provisioning ?
[14:55] <gordonDrogon> in what context?
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[14:57] <Hanonim> in the pi4j lib, there seems to be a difference and i don't fully understand it
[14:57] <gordonDrogon> is this for gpio?
[14:57] <Hanonim> for instance, unexporting a pin doesn't "unprovision" it
[14:57] <Hanonim> yes
[14:58] <gordonDrogon> I don't know in pi4j, however exporting a pin would mean accessing it via the sysfs interface - which is usable but slow.
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[14:58] <gordonDrogon> but I don't know how that relates to provisioning.
[14:59] <gordonDrogon> in wiringPi (which your version of pi4j may be using), you don't need to export a in to use it. at least you shouldn't, but I don't know what it does on the inside.
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[14:59] <Hanonim> thanks !
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[15:06] <waveform> from a little skim of the pi4j docs it's using the /dev/gpiomem interface so I expect "export" in this case isn't *really* using the sysfs interface, it's probably setting up some internal stuff for tracking things like pull-up state and what not
[15:06] <swift110> hello all
[15:06] <EnrgySmth> hi
[15:07] <waveform> oh, it might be using sysfs for edge detection though (like rpi.gpio et al)
[15:07] <gordonDrogon> it might, but if they use wiringPi, it's all done "under the hood" ,as it were.
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[15:10] <Hanonim> on another note, still in pi4j, i don't understand where there are providers and controllers... why not use only provider s?
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[15:11] <waveform> I'm not wholly sure on that point - the provider is where the platform specific stuff is done (so it's extremely basic: set direction, pull, state, etc.) while the controller is the high level bit where it starts dealing with concepts like analog pins etc.
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[15:12] <waveform> still, there's no particular requirement for that separation - it could equally be done by implementing an abstract base class which knows all the high level stuff, then sub-class it for each platform
[15:13] <Hanonim> yes, i have the very firm feeling it could have been organized in a more straightforward way
[15:15] <swift110> how are you EnrgySmth
[15:16] <EnrgySmth> swift110: good, just trying to wake up. You?
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[15:16] <waveform> Hanonim, I concur - would be rather amused to know what happens if multiple providers are spawned simultaneously (I can guess at the hardware level :)
[15:17] <swift110> EnrgySmth: im already at work
[15:17] <EnrgySmth> yeah me too, just trying to get my bearings :-)
[15:17] <swift110> oh
[15:18] <swift110> I will likely take a nap at some point\
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[15:25] <gordonDrogon> re. providers & controllers - I know nothing about 'node' but maybe this is the way the whole system works, with or without gpio?
[15:25] <gordonDrogon> Once upon a time I remember an old CS lecturer telling me there are only 3 programs ever written - the input & validate, the update and the print. maybe that's the idea there... who knows!
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[15:28] <waveform> heh - we had something similar "load", "store", and "everything that happens between those" ;)
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[15:29] <swift110> so what are some projects you guys are doing with your pis
[15:30] <gordonDrogon> swift110, if I told you, I'd need to get someone else to kill you ;-)
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[15:30] <GreeningGalaxy> swift110: I and my prof make extensive use of them for physics research since it's nice to have a cheap computer that's powerful enough to do data analysis and also has a GPIO
[15:31] <GreeningGalaxy> Last quarter I built a photon counting board for it
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[15:31] <fred1807> is it possible to compile official dropbox daemon for raspberry?
[15:32] <dualcells> swift110, my uses a pi are far less interesting; a pi-hole, a slack-dota-bot, a web server, minidlna, and learning platform to code
[15:32] <leftyfb> fred1807: did you try?
[15:32] <gordonDrogon> although one little project I have on the go involves a microbrewery - it's a mix of Pi's and ATmegas and rfm69 radios...
[15:32] <fred1807> no I didnt
[15:32] <leftyfb> fred1807: why not?
[15:33] <fred1807> maybe I am afraid
[15:34] <leftyfb> fred1807: afraid of what? That it might work?
[15:34] <GreeningGalaxy> what's the circuit symbol for microbrewery
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[15:34] <swift110> nice
[15:35] <swift110> I installed Blender on one of my pi 3's and I would like to do a simple project on it
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[15:36] <fred1807> leftyfb: package libnautilus-extension-dev wants to install 173mb of stuff.... this afraids me
[15:36] <leftyfb> :/
[15:37] <GreeningGalaxy> that's not that much. I pull in over 100 MB of dependencies installing my favorite text editor on a fresh Raspbian install
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[15:40] <fred1807> what annoys me is there are a bunch of X session stuff, and this is a raspbian lite headless machine
[15:40] <GreeningGalaxy> ah
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[15:43] <fred1807> ... the wonders of pre built packages
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[15:44] <waveform> well, nautilus is the GNOME file manager - I wouldn't call it terribly surprising that it's pulling in a bunch of X stuff
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[15:49] <avu> fred1807: you don't need nautilus to get dropbox on a headless machine though
[15:50] <avu> fred1807: see the headless option under https://www.dropbox.com/install-linux
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[15:52] <waveform> ah, sorry - missed the dropbox reference. I didn't think the headless build was available for the Pi? (no ARM build?)
[15:52] <avu> ah, true
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[15:53] <avu> shouldn't that be true for the other thing as well though? The part you can compile yourself is just the "helper application" after all
[15:53] <waveform> I've no idea if the "build from source" option is any good - is that what's pulling in the nautilus libs?
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[15:54] <waveform> oh, I see - the other thing isn't the "full" source - just the UI
[15:54] <waveform> yes, that's presumably true for that as well then
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[15:54] <avu> So, time to move to nextcloud then! ;)
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[15:59] <swift110> has anyone made a weather station with a pi?
[15:59] <waveform> yes - after a little googling it would appear dropbox's attitude is firmly "x86 or nothing!"
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[16:01] <waveform> swift110, Davespice certainly has :)
[16:01] <gordonDrogon> I have most of one going here too.
[16:01] <swift110> Davespice: how is the weather station going
[16:01] <swift110> gordonDrogon: what do you mean
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[16:13] <swift110> ?
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[16:21] <gordonDrogon> I have one of the Pi foundation weather station prototypes.
[16:21] <gordonDrogon> I recently started a project to get it going written in C rather than the foundation supplied python.
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[16:25] <swift110> wow gordonDrogon screenshot
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[16:34] <g105b> Well, I have got nowhere trying to get the LCD to display any characters. I've managed to somehow draw some squares on it, but that was by accident.
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[16:35] <g105b> I'm using this http://i.imgur.com/IhFfyyF.jpg but all guides are telling me to plug it into the pi via a logic converter, which I have parts to make, but don't understand why I need to use it. Am I missing something obvious here? Could someone help guide me diagnosing the problem?
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[16:38] <swift110> ok
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[16:44] <gordonDrogon> swift110, screenshot of some code? it's not that exciting..
[16:45] <gordonDrogon> swift110, start here if interested in the story so-far: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi-weather-station-1-setup/
[16:45] <gordonDrogon> g105b, what software are you planning to use with it?
[16:46] <g105b> gordonDrogon: I am happy programming in any mainstream language, but there seems to be a lot of python support for it so I guess I'd prefer python.
[16:47] <gordonDrogon> g105b, ok. hope it works for you. I don't know python.
[16:48] <g105b> gordonDrogon: you're a C guy?
[16:48] <H__> C rulez
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[16:50] <g105b> I think I'm having a more basic issue than picking a programming language though. I run i2cdetect -y 1 and I get the following: https://paste.debian.net/914386/
[16:51] <gordonDrogon> g105b, yes, everything I do is in C or BASIC.
[16:51] <gordonDrogon> g105b, you have a short between the I2C lines.
[16:51] <gordonDrogon> or you've changed the pin modes.
[16:52] <g105b> That doesn't sound good at all...
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[16:53] <gordonDrogon> unplug it. try i2cdetect again. plug in power & ground- try again. conned up SCL only. try again, remove, connect SDA, try again, connect both, try again.
[16:53] <gordonDrogon> but check the pins are in ALT1 mode with gpio readall
[16:53] <gordonDrogon> oops, ALT0 mode.
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[16:54] <Hanonim> why does pi4j's gpio controller have methods for provisioning analog IO ?
[16:55] <gordonDrogon> Hanonim, if it's using wiringPi, then wiringPi has analog IO capabilities with the correct hardware plugged into the Pi.
[16:55] <g105b> I think it's fixed now, I only see one of the blocks addressed in i2cdetect. Not sure what the problem was there...
[16:56] <g105b> User error I expect.
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[16:57] <gordonDrogon> back later. got some bakery stuff to attend to.
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[16:58] <g105b> Sounds tasty.
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[17:01] <Hanonim> gordonDrogon: i must admit i am a bit of a noob in analog IO, DAC, etc. basically, it looks like you can declare a gpio pin as an analog input or output and it puzzles me a little bit
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[17:12] <waveform> Hanonim, in terms of output it can *sometimes* be reasonable to think of a digital pin doing PWM as an analog output (e.g. that can be used to power an LED at various brightnesses, or drive a motor controller at different speeds)
[17:12] <waveform> analog input is a different matter - that usually involves some sort of ADC hooked up to an interface like I2C or SPI
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[17:15] <nolaan> hi guys I'm having compilation issues, with webrtc and ffmpeg on the rpi3
[17:16] <nolaan> I use this as --sysroot=/home/pi/webrtc-checkout/src/build/linux/debian_wheezy_arm-sysroot and also symlinked the directory /opt/ into it to enable mmal
[17:16] <nolaan> but I've ld warning me : libvcos.so, needed by /opt/vc/lib//libmmal_core.so, not found (try using -rpath or -rpath-link)
[17:16] <nolaan> so I don't understand
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[17:21] <Conino> nolaan, you may want to try #webrtc and #ffmpeg
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[17:25] <nolaan> ok thx
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[17:25] <nolaan> but I thought it was ld related
[17:25] <nolaan> /
[17:25] <nolaan> :/
[17:25] <waveform> nolaan, libvcos.so should be in /opt/vc/lib so either it's missing (are you on raspbian?) or /opt/vc/lib isn't part of the linker's search path
[17:25] <nolaan> probably
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[17:27] <Hanonim> waveform: yes... so i still can't grasp why the gpio controller proposes this. it actually throws when i try to provision any gpio pin as analog IO, which makes sense !
[17:27] <Hanonim> why have methods one cannot use ? i must be missing something !
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[17:28] <waveform> well, some platforms may have analog IO pins built in (the Pi doesn't but I'm not sure what platforms pi4j supports)
[17:28] <waveform> just checking the platform stuff...
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[17:30] <BurtyB> waveform, iirc it can map an i2c adc to pin 100 or something
[17:30] <Hanonim> waveform: you might be right, there are different providers but the controller seems to be generic
[17:30] <Hanonim> hence one provider might actually allows exporting some pins in analog mode and the generic controller must allow this
[17:31] <waveform> BurtyB, only with extra hardware on the Pi - there's no "native" analog pins. So you can certainly stick an ADC on I2C or SPI, but then you're talking about pins on the other side of the ADC, not on the Pi itself
[17:31] <Hanonim> heck, maybe i'm not used enough to java and this way of organizing things
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[17:32] <waveform> heh, pi4j is a bit "enterprisey" in its "controllers, providers, managers" way ("frameworks galore!"). Still, that's par for the course in Java world :)
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[17:33] <waveform> looking at the platform bits (odroid, bananapi, orangepi, rpi) there's nothing that immediately yells "analog support" (I thought all of those had 40-pin rpi-compatible headers which would imply digital only)
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[17:33] <waveform> but I can't say I'm terribly familiar with the other platforms so maybe there's extra analog-included headers on those
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[17:34] <Hanonim> thanks for your time ! i've to go, bye !
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[18:05] <gordonDrogon> waveform, oh he's gone.
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[18:06] <gordonDrogon> I think the pi4j stuff just wraps wiringPi. wiringPi, being a "pin" based GPIO library has analog read/write functions for when you have analog hardware fitted (to a Pi, or other platform), so I guess pi4j just carries those over.
[18:06] <gordonDrogon> e.g. you can install a 1-wire temperature sensor into wiringPi (at run-time), then simply call temp = analogRead (pin) to read it.
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[18:12] * olivetree_ Be Right Back
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[18:24] <chra94> https://www.python.org/downloads/ desgen get 3.6
[18:24] <chra94> lool sorry
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[20:05] <plum> hi
[20:05] <plum> does anyone know how to get a named screen started after boot?
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[20:06] <plum> i'm trying to run: screen -S nameofscreen commandtoberun
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[20:06] <plum> every time i reboot, it's not running though
[20:06] <leftyfb> plum: https://coderwall.com/p/quflrg/run-a-script-on-startup-in-a-detached-screen-on-a-raspberry-pi
[20:06] <leftyfb> plum: first result on google
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[20:07] <plum> i'll check it out, thanks! i've seen a few results from stack exchange but they haven't worked thus far, hopefully this one will do the trick
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[20:08] <plum> brb will try this out :) thanks leftyfb !
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[20:22] <bennabiy> I am trying to install a gui on top of raspbx (based on raspbian) but I cannot get the gui to come up.
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[20:24] <Habbie> bennabiy, why do you want a gui on your pbx?
[20:24] <Habbie> and why is raspbx an image, this is a terrible habit, just provide repositories already
[20:24] <bennabiy> only 2 reasons... I want it to be an all in one pbx + sip client and need web access to be able to hook it up to wifi hotspots
[20:27] <bennabiy> I also put a custom kernel in because I have a PiTFT display on it
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[20:42] <plum> thanks leftyfb, it worked :)
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[20:48] <mozak> does bot part of hard drive need to be elevated from ground ? i put an 2.5 hd in plastic box did use no screws, that bad?
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[20:51] <mozak> need to find some store that sells m3 screws
[20:51] <Chillum> the two concerns are that spinning drives need to be held in place and not allowed to wiggle when they spin the platters
[20:51] <Chillum> and the temperature
[20:51] <mozak> i touch it it was not really warm
[20:51] <mozak> plastic was more warm form rpi
[20:51] <Chillum> ssd drives are much more forgiving to being held in place, you can dangle them if you want
[20:51] <Chillum> it should be fine as long as it is held in place
[20:52] <mozak> thats why i thinked of puting it on 4 screw legs
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[20:52] <mozak> it would only move if i hit table hard i attached plastic box to table
[20:52] <Chillum> should be fine
[20:53] <mozak> ok but will try to elevate it anyway when i find those m3 scrws
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[21:08] <trailblazer_tech> Hello
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[21:13] <IT_Sean> Greetings and salutations, good sir!
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[21:20] <maicod> hi is there only one revision of Rpi V3 model B ? I mean for instance do there exist versions with more or less memory than 1024MB or other changes ? (like with the old RPI V1 first having 256 and later 512 MB memory)
[21:21] <maicod> I'm got an old RPI V1 with only 256KB memory and think of getting a V3 :)
[21:21] <waveform> well, the 2B is a bit like a cut-down 3B now that they're using the same processor but otherwise, no
[21:22] <waveform> (I suppose the compute module 3 is a variant of the 3B as well)
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[21:25] <maicod> I understand you use the naming 3B etc. but what is te compute module 3 ?
[21:25] <maicod> the
[21:26] <maicod> and 2B you mean the Rpi V2 model B huh?
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[21:26] <maicod> I wasn't thinking about that one (its old)
[21:27] <maicod> just wondering if the 3B always has the same memory. Not wanting to buy an old stock one for instance :)
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[21:32] <mozak> i think rpi3 is 1gb on all
[21:32] <maicod> ok
[21:34] <maicod> mozak: I looked up what a compute model 3 is but I still don't get it. is it a module for inserting on an existing RPI or what ?
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[21:35] <optimist> ==> maicod: Raspberry has a history of announcing and releasing new products at the end of Feb. I haven't paid much attention, and I don't know if there are rumors of new products.
[21:35] <optimist> But unless you're in a real hurry, you might want to wait two weeks to see if there's anything in the pipeline
[21:36] <maicod> oh so its maybe not a good time to purchase if I want the latest rpi :)
[21:36] <maicod> yeah indeed
[21:36] <maicod> thanks
[21:36] <optimist> I don't really know. REALLY. Just wouldn't want you to buy and be disappointed, if something does come out.
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[21:36] <maicod> thing is when it comes out it will be hard to get hands on the first months
[21:37] <maicod> it always is with new models
[21:37] <optimist> Or weeks. They usually have a bunch built for release on the first day.
[21:37] <maicod> yeah but then the purchases needs to be done through their one or two official partners huh
[21:38] <maicod> like element14 (is or was)
[21:38] <mozak> maicod, from what i get compute modul as same as rpi just whit pinout and stuff done like a PC ram board
[21:38] <maicod> oh but how does one connect to that then :)
[21:39] <maicod> maybe it needs a dimm-socket with spun off connectors or such :)
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[21:39] <optimist> Here's a ref to last year's Feb Pi-3 rollout: https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspberry-pi-3-on-sale/
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[21:40] <maicod> thanks
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[21:41] <mozak> maicod, https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/01/17/two_new_raspberry_pi_models_emerge_steaming_from_the_oven/
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[21:41] <maicod> thanks. I did find another site already that made me realise its indeed intended for incorporating on a self-designed PCB or such
[21:42] <maicod> its nothing for me then :)
[21:44] <maicod> can the RPI V3 run android ?
[21:44] <ali1234> yes, but not very well
[21:45] <maicod> oh :(
[21:45] <maicod> too slow?
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[21:45] <ali1234> no, just not very well optimized
[21:45] <maicod> ok and is it allowed to google play store ?
[21:45] <maicod> to acces...
[21:45] <ali1234> yes
[21:45] <maicod> cool
[21:46] <ali1234> the download link is down
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[21:46] <maicod> oh well I need a RPI V3 first anyways :)
[21:46] <maicod> thanks
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[21:47] <trailblazer_tech> What's the weirdest distro available for Pi? Like, "Hanna Mantana OS" weird.
[21:47] <ali1234> probably riscOS
[21:48] <trailblazer_tech> Yeah, that's pretty weird.
[21:48] <ali1234> sorry, RISC OS :)
[21:48] <maicod> :)
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[21:48] <ali1234> its definitely the most obscure
[21:48] <maicod> thanks for the help. I'm outa here now
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[21:49] <ali1234> dragonfly BSD also runs on the pi I believe, that is pretty obscure
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[21:52] <trailblazer_tech> Also I remember reading an article about local app development on the pi. Talked about some of the entry level tools and techniques needed for it. Anyone have a link to the reddit page.
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[21:52] <ali1234> what do you mean by "local app"?
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[21:54] <trailblazer_tech> Or app development in general. Talked a lot about *something*.js, etc. Just looked cool.
[21:54] <ali1234> probably node.js
[21:54] <ali1234> it's trendy and the people who use it are loud and annoying, so it would make sense for reddit
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[21:55] <ali1234> Qt is a far better choice for developing applications though
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[22:08] <rymate1234> why would a heavy framework like Qt be good for Pi applications?
[22:09] <ali1234> because it includes everything you need, has extremely good documentation, stability guarantees, commercial support is available if you need it, the code is very fast and very good quality, the developers are nice... i could go on
[22:09] <binaryhermit> you could argue it's too heavy
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[22:09] <ali1234> only if you had not looked at the facts
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[22:11] <cheater> hi
[22:11] <ali1234> "Qt is bloated" is a myth - KDE is bloated but i am not recommending you use that
[22:11] <cheater> has there been an open source graphics driver released for the raspberry pi 2 and 3 or do you still have to use the broadcom stuff?
[22:11] <trailblazer_tech> What are the facts? I've never heard of QT before today.
[22:12] <trailblazer_tech> also Hi.
[22:12] <ali1234> cheater: the anholt driver is available. i dont think it is finished though
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[22:12] <cheater> what is the anholt driver?
[22:12] <ali1234> cheater: it's an open source driver written by eric anholt
[22:12] <cheater> is that a linux driver?
[22:12] <ali1234> everyone calls it the anholt driver because it doesn't seem to have a name
[22:12] <ali1234> yes
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[22:14] <cheater> may i ask another question? i was wondering if the pi 2/3 would be good as an embedded board to use for dsp. the GLES support provided by the 3d hardware has a couple gigaflops which is very powerful. however, you would like to be able to use it from a realtime OS, with low latency. do you suppose that is doable?
[22:15] <ali1234> cheater: there's no real way to do GPGPU programming on the Pi, except by reverse engineering
[22:15] <ali1234> there are a couple of simple examples and that is about it
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[22:16] <ali1234> trailblazer_tech: what facts would you like to know more about specifically?
[22:17] <mgottschlag> cheater: btw, those gigaflops are probably half precision
[22:17] <mgottschlag> (I don't know, but I'd expect that)
[22:17] <trailblazer_tech> @ali1234 What makes it different. From what I read, QT seems like a development framework more than a language like Python, C, etc.
[22:18] <ali1234> trailblazer_tech: Qt isn't "different" - it is an application platform SDK in the traditional style. things like node.js are different and "trendy" and that seems to be the only reason why people like them
[22:18] <ali1234> Qt isn't a language, it is written in C++
[22:18] <trailblazer_tech> Aw
[22:18] <ali1234> you can use it from any language that has bindings
[22:18] <ali1234> node.js also isn't a language - it is written in javascript
[22:19] <ali1234> and you can only use it from javascript
[22:19] <rymate1234> node.js is a runtime / standard library for javascript
[22:19] <trailblazer_tech> Huh, so wouldn't it be better to set up a pi for, say, JavaScript. And then cross compile it to the pi itself?
[22:19] <rymate1234> similar to how the java jdk/jre is a runtime / standard library for java
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[22:20] <rymate1234> you don't compile javascript though
[22:20] <trailblazer_tech> I get that. Javascript was a bad example to use.
[22:20] <clever> cheater: this is an old project i was working on, it used the 3d hardware to render a single polygon from userland: https://github.com/cleverca22/hackdriver
[22:20] <ali1234> javascript is an interpreted language, which means it has a huge speed penalty vs anything which is compiled
[22:20] <mgottschlag> trailblazer_tech: it always depends on what you want to do. I'd never build server applications with Qt, whereas node.js might be a good choice for those
[22:20] <ali1234> which is one reason why Qt is so much faster
[22:20] <clever> cheater: basicaly all it does is mmap /dev/mem and start poking at things, so it would be easy to port to a more baremetal OS
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[22:21] <rymate1234> surely qt would be slow if it's accessed with an intepreted language
[22:21] <cheater> clever: i'm looking to not do this in linux because that is bad for realtime perf
[22:21] <cheater> ah
[22:21] <cheater> ok
[22:21] <rymate1234> and javascript is technically a JIT compiled language
[22:21] <cheater> clever: how did that work out?
[22:21] <ali1234> rymate1234: the interpreted bits would be
[22:21] <cheater> also this is not about rendering, it's about using instructions like FMA3/FMA4 aka multiply-and-accumulate
[22:21] <mgottschlag> it is very easy to write inefficient C++ code btw which performs worse than most JS code
[22:22] <cheater> for audio dsp
[22:22] <clever> cheater: it was enough of a proof of concept that i figured out how the 3d stuff worked, and was able to expand it to a partialy working opengl stack with kernel support
[22:22] <rymate1234> so no worse than node.js then, because the runtime for node.js is c++
[22:22] <ali1234> mgottschlag: it's very easy to write inefficient javascript code which performs worse than most C++ code :)
[22:22] <rymate1234> as it uses the V8 JS runtime
[22:22] <clever> cheater: i was also able to get the pixel shader to run
[22:22] <cheater> clever: what do you think is the overhead to get the pixel shader running?
[22:22] <clever> cheater: this is a shader i had written to do texture rendering: https://github.com/cleverca22/hackdriver/blob/master/texture.s
[22:22] <mgottschlag> ali1234: yeah, but it's also easier to write "good" code because you don't have to care about as much stuff :)
[22:23] <trailblazer_tech> Wait. node.js is Javascript. But how is the runtime c++?
[22:23] <clever> cheater: i think there is a different pipeline in the v3d hardware for GPCPU stuff, to bypass all of the polygon handling
[22:23] <rymate1234> the runtime that executes the java code is written in c++
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[22:23] <mgottschlag> node.js uses the V8 javascript engine (from chrome) which is written in C++, and it uses libuv for event handling which is written in C
[22:23] <rymate1234> s/java/javascript
[22:23] <mgottschlag> and some more stuff in those languages on top
[22:24] <ali1234> trailblazer_tech: pretty much everything is written in C if you go deep enough
[22:24] <clever> cheater: this function builds the shader program up from raw words: https://github.com/cleverca22/hackdriver/blob/master/triangle.cpp#L38
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[22:24] <ali1234> all roads lead to libc
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[22:24] <cheater> "from raw words"?
[22:24] <clever> cheater: 4 byte fragments, pre-compiled and typed in as hex
[22:25] <cheater> ah
[22:25] <cheater> btw, what is the precision of the GLES shaders?
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[22:25] <Wizard> Which one of you wants to start coding?
[22:25] <ali1234> cheater: half i think (one of the differences between GLES and GL)
[22:25] <clever> cheater: and line 121 refers to the shader in a shader record, which tells the polygon stuff what to execute on each pixel
[22:25] <Wizard> And precisely what, If I may know? :P
[22:25] <ali1234> cheater: may no longer apply these days, i dunno
[22:25] <cheater> ali1234: so GL has full precision?
[22:25] <clever> cheater: let me find the pdf i was using
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[22:25] <ali1234> cheater: i think so yes
[22:25] <cheater> half means 16 bit right?
[22:25] <ali1234> yeah
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[22:26] <cheater> thanks
[22:26] <cheater> clever: cool
[22:26] <trailblazer_tech> That would be me Wizard.
[22:26] <cheater> what would be the reduction in performance be if i wanted to emulate normal precision? what if i wanted double precision?
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[22:26] <Wizard> trailblazer_tech: What do you want to write? Do you have any idea about programming?
[22:26] <clever> cheater: https://web.archive.org/web/20160803202903/https://www.broadcom.com/docs/support/videocore/VideoCoreIV-AG100-R.pdf
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[22:27] <clever> cheater: page 35, the QPU instruction set
[22:27] <mgottschlag> clever: nice, I didn't know that there was a public manual
[22:28] <trailblazer_tech> I'm still a beginner Wizard. I've dabbled in Python and Java, but nothing serious. That said, I want to write a few basic programs to just make life simpler. Automative tasks for work, and such.
[22:29] <Wizard> Belive it or not, but GUI (desktop apps) are the most complext things nowadays ;)
[22:29] <Wizard> Especially if you want to target multiple OS
[22:29] <trailblazer_tech> I believe it.
[22:29] <clever> cheater: one oddity with the QPU, it has a form of hyperthreading, 4 threads share a single pipeline, operating on 4 sets of registers, but all 4 threads must be executing the same opcode
[22:29] <trailblazer_tech> Now-a-days everything seems complicated to write for.
[22:30] <Wizard> trailblazer_tech: Java's not that bad for beginning, it also comes with crossplatform UI by default and quite rich standard library
[22:30] <clever> cheater: so to make the most out of it, those 4 threads have to run the same code, with all of them doing the same branching (if any)
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[22:30] <clever> cheater: i have no idea what it will do if you try to diverge from that
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[22:31] <trailblazer_tech> "You use Javascript? Why don't you use node.js and cylon.js. You're still using apache? Pft, we've all moved to NGINX. Oh, you're not load balancing accross severs, how is your SQL database."
[22:31] <Wizard> heh
[22:31] <ali1234> trailblazer_tech: yes, that's the big problem with javascript
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[22:31] <trailblazer_tech> My recent experience talking about WebDev stuff.
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[22:31] <Wizard> JS nowaydays is one big mess
[22:32] <ali1234> node.js is for web devs who refuse to learn anything else. it brings all the ugly workarounds from 20 years of browsers to the server
[22:32] <clever> cheater: if you come to #raspberrypi-internals, i can infodump more things i know and answer any other questions you have
[22:32] <Wizard> It's not that bad
[22:33] <trailblazer_tech> That might be best Clever. Appologize, I know this is about Raspberry Pi topics. I didn't mean to Hijack the chat.
[22:33] <cheater> clever: the 4-thread thing is fine, the processing will most likely be fft anyways.
[22:33] <ali1234> "it's not that bad" is probably the nicest thing i've ever heard anyone say about it
[22:33] <cheater> so that can be broken up into 4.
[22:33] <Wizard> Well, I belive programming is pi topic :)
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[22:33] <cheater> sure i can go there
[22:33] <trailblazer_tech> ?
[22:33] <Wizard> trailblazer_tech: That was meant for cheater :P
[22:34] <trailblazer_tech> oh, missed the raspberrypi-internals part
[22:34] <Wizard> I mean what clever said, it was to cheater
[22:34] <trailblazer_tech> clear
[22:34] <Wizard> Not you :D
[22:34] <trailblazer_tech> clever
[22:34] <cheater> ok i'm there
[22:34] <Wizard> For general purpose tools python, java, C and C++ are quite fine
[22:35] <Wizard> All of them popular, rich in tools and libraries and tutorials.
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[22:36] <Wizard> js got some traction on desktop recently, mostly because of electron.
[22:37] <Wizard> If you dare to play with css and html - it might be an interesting option too, however it's one, big mess
[22:37] <trailblazer_tech> Man, been a while since I've touches a programming library. Usually stick with default code.
[22:37] <trailblazer_tech> Guess that might explain my recent hickups.
[22:38] <ali1234> the funny thing is that electron is remarkably unsuited to the pi because it needs pretty much a full browser to run
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[22:39] <ali1234> chromium i believe, which is huge
[22:39] <ali1234> and runs very poorly on the pi
[22:39] <trailblazer_tech> Hey Wizard. Is there a language you recommend for network programming and monitoring? 1 project I'd like to do is create a network monitor using a Pi.
[22:40] <Wizard> trailblazer_tech: any mentioned above
[22:40] <trailblazer_tech> Fair enough
[22:40] <Wizard> Even freaking node will do the trick
[22:40] <Wizard> trailblazer_tech: Just pick what you like
[22:40] <ali1234> anything that supports libpcap :)
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[22:41] <Wizard> Don't even mention electron. I'm trying to set up Atom on my pi
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[22:41] <Wizard> 2h and nothing so far ;D
[22:41] <ali1234> why?
[22:41] <Wizard> I need some coding editor
[22:41] <ali1234> why not just use one of the millions and millions of native ones?
[22:42] <Wizard> Like what? vim? emacs?
[22:42] * Wizard laughs
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[22:42] <ali1234> i was thinking more like gedit or kate
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[22:43] <Wizard> I need something crossplatform, so I can have same setup on windows at home and mac at work
[22:43] <ali1234> hmm
[22:43] <ali1234> codeblocks then?
[22:43] <ali1234> it's .net
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[22:44] <Wizard> codeblocks is c++/wx, it sucks ;)
[22:44] <ali1234> oh, is it?
[22:44] <ali1234> oh sorry i meant monodevelop :)
[22:44] <Wizard> UI is one big mess
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[22:45] <Wizard> Basically once I bought myself IntellJ licence.. And this IDE has no effing match, seriously.
[22:45] <ali1234> netbeans is free?
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[22:45] <Wizard> It is, but it eats up to much resources for poor pi :)
[22:45] <ali1234> true true
[22:45] <Wizard> same for intellij
[22:45] <ali1234> but thats java for you
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[22:46] <ali1234> i guess eclipse is out of the question...
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[22:46] <Wizard> I even like it, I used it at work before intellij
[22:46] <Wizard> Hard to find linux/arm builds.
[22:46] <Wizard> :P
[22:47] <Wizard> Life's hard.
[22:47] <Wizard> If atom fails, I'll try eclipse maybe
[22:47] <ali1234> i wouldn't bother. it's slow enough on my desktop
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[22:47] <Wizard> But yeah
[22:47] <ali1234> i would just get used to using two different editors personally
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[22:48] <ali1234> but i don't really use IDEs
[22:48] <Wizard> I do, I code for food.
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[22:48] <ali1234> me too
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[22:48] <ali1234> but i am usually fixing other people's code rather than writing new stuff
[22:48] <Wizard> I can't imagine my profesional life without proper IDE.
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[22:49] <ali1234> i never really saw any benefit to it
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[22:49] <ali1234> i even turn off the coding features in my editors, except for syntax highlighting
[22:49] <Wizard> /o\
[22:49] <ali1234> autocomplete and autoindent especially annoy me
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[22:50] <Wizard> Heh, my company even has autoformatter settings for all projects ;D
[22:51] <ali1234> sometimes i will run my code through indent
[22:51] <ali1234> i just don't like when it does it as i am writing
[22:51] <ali1234> i don't like that the editor is unpredictable
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[22:52] <Wizard> OK, time to go to sleep
[22:52] <Wizard> See you
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