#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2017-02-22

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[0:24] <kantlivelong> is there a up to date board to bcm lookup table?
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[0:33] <kantlivelong> is there a up to date board to bcm lookup table?
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[0:52] <chisight> kantlivelong: what is a board to bcm lookup table?
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[1:01] <kantlivelong> chisight: when specifying board vs bcm pin for GPIO. essentially to convert between the two
[1:02] <chisight> gpio readall will generate a table for your pi.
[1:02] <kantlivelong> chisight: not sure what you mean
[1:02] <chisight> type that command and see.
[1:03] <chisight> it's a nice little lookup table that is specific to your version of pi.
[1:03] <kantlivelong> chisight: ah yes but for all pi versions?
[1:03] <kantlivelong> chisight: ah yes but for all pi versions?
[1:03] <chisight> yes, it works on every version of pi.
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[1:03] <kantlivelong> suppose i could parse it though
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[1:04] <chisight> gpio looks at your hardware and builds the list.
[1:04] <kantlivelong> just doesnt have a good programatic way of converting
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[1:05] <chisight> look at the source then.
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[1:07] <chisight> https://github.com/WiringPi/WiringPi
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[1:10] <chisight> hmm, that's not the original source. https://git.drogon.net/?p=wiringPi;a=summary is
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[1:16] <kantlivelong> chisight: thx
[1:17] <chisight> np
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[1:23] <girlzgirls> hello, since i have installed my drivers for the tft display i cant seem to plug in my hdmi and see everything on a monitor now. how do i switch back and forth?0
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[1:33] <girlzgirls> pm me if u happen to read my message and would like to help
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[1:34] * ShorTie Thinkz, switch sdcards
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[1:39] <EDinNY> What vnc viewer can I use on Ubuntu 16.04 to talk to the rp?
[1:40] <ShorTie> realvnc is included with the latest images
[1:41] <ShorTie> for open sources i'd say x11vnc
[1:41] <girlzgirls> shortie, isnt there code for switching the framebuffer?
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[1:43] <Chillum> woo hoo just put a 64gb microsd on my retropie
[1:43] <Chillum> room for playstation disks
[1:43] <girlzgirls> yay :D
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[1:44] <girlzgirls> Chillum, would u be able to help me with my issue?
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[1:44] <girlzgirls> i cant seem to get my raspi b+ to switch back to hdmi output
[1:44] <Chillum> no idea what those tft drivers do
[1:45] <girlzgirls> ah ._. ok
[1:45] <EDinNY> ShorTie: realVnc? on ubuntu?
[1:45] <ShorTie> well, that is why i mentioned x11vnc too...
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[1:46] <ShorTie> it's easy to setup
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[1:49] <ShorTie> quick install howto, http://pastebin.com/0bS9GYuR
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[2:33] <kantlivelong> gotta be an easier way to convert BOARD to BCM
[2:34] <ShorTie> ??
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[3:36] <infect> what projects can you even do with a pi zero
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[4:15] <girlzgirls> i have one of those
[4:15] <girlzgirls> have u been to adafruit.com?
[4:15] <girlzgirls> they have projects there
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[4:32] <girlzgirls> so i have my raspi b+ and installed the drivers for a tft display. now i cant use the hdmi with a monitor. how do i switch back and forth?
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[4:34] <nevodka> stupid question time
[4:34] <girlzgirls> you're stupid
[4:34] <nevodka> i know
[4:34] * girlzgirls slaps nevodka around a bit with a large trout
[4:35] <nevodka> can you install an os from usb directly into a pi 2?
[4:35] <girlzgirls> oh come on. its not a stupid question.
[4:35] <girlzgirls> when people don't know something, they ask
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[4:35] <girlzgirls> don't be a prick
[4:35] <leftyfb> nevodka: is there a way, sort of. The question is why do you need to?
[4:36] <leftyfb> girlzgirls: please watch the language and attitude
[4:36] <nevodka> It has a microsd card and I don't have a reader on my laptop for that
[4:36] <girlzgirls> because i have a serial display atm and its too slow for what i want to play
[4:36] <leftyfb> nevodka: in your case, no
[4:37] <girlzgirls> and why am i being reprimanded? he was rude first saying its stupid question time
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[4:37] <nevodka> i was referring to my own question
[4:37] <leftyfb> nevodka: with a bit of work and patience, you could probably boot the pi with a working microsd card, configure it to boot from usb, put raspbian on the usb, boot from usb, and then image the sd card from the os running on the usb. But in the end, you didn't really solve anything
[4:37] <leftyfb> girlzgirls: he was referring to his own question
[4:38] <girlzgirls> my apologies then. forgive my ignorance
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[4:39] <nevodka> the curious thing is when I boot it the monitor is not detecting anything
[4:39] <nevodka> else I would have configured it to boot from usb :p
[4:39] <nevodka> the sd card may have no boot loader at all
[4:39] <leftyfb> nevodka: if you boot without an sd card or not OS imaged onto the sd card, you're not going to get anything on the screen
[4:39] <nevodka> yeah
[4:40] <leftyfb> nevodka: you can only configure the pi to boot from usb using a running OS already imaged to an SD card and booted to it
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[4:44] <nevodka> i dont remember wiping the card and recalled it booting before
[4:44] <nevodka> so i must have
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[4:52] * drjam slaps girlzgirls with a chernobyl trout
[4:52] <drjam> since we are slapping
[4:52] <drjam> :)
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[4:55] <drjam> seems like a weird thing to do, unless im reading the past quetion about usb and sc cards badly
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[4:55] <girlzgirls> lol
[4:55] <leftyfb> drjam: it is
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[4:56] * girlzgirls slaps drjam with a dildo bat
[4:56] * drjam grabs doldo bat, reverses it and pummels girlzgirls with it
[4:56] <drjam> victory i think yes?
[4:56] <drjam> apart from horribly typos lol
[4:57] <drjam> good god
[4:57] <drjam> lol
[4:57] <leftyfb> girlzgirls: we expect kids to be here. Please be respectful of that
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[4:57] <drjam> ah yes, i am here indeed
[4:57] * drjam giggles
[4:57] <girlzgirls> kids in here?
[4:57] <girlzgirls> nice
[4:58] <drjam> no, dont go hunting for them to take their pocket money
[4:58] <drjam> its far more civel to mess with their minds and make them feel worthless..... oh wait, thats what hte media does already
[4:58] <drjam> damn, one step behind The Man
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[4:59] <girlzgirls> how old r u drjam?
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[5:00] <drjam> 40 ;)
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[5:00] <drjam> so really, not a kid
[5:00] <drjam> unless i was named billy
[5:00] <drjam> then id prolly be
[5:01] <drjam> or a goat i imagine
[5:01] <girlzgirls> i just thought i'd ask....i thought most people knew how to spell civil lol
[5:01] <drjam> haha yeah, i hit the keys fast, its a new keyboard
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[5:01] <girlzgirls> is it one of those thin keyboard with the soft thin keys?
[5:01] <girlzgirls> i hate thos
[5:02] <girlzgirls> i have a gamer bpard with LED lit keys
[5:02] <drjam> and i proofread with the interest of a honeybadger in a mountaincave full of ravenous lions after being poked with a lit pitchfork
[5:02] <girlzgirls> board*
[5:02] <drjam> ie: none
[5:02] <girlzgirls> apparently i cant spell tonight either :p
[5:02] <drjam> its a microsoft loungrooom one with mousepad on it too
[5:02] <drjam> yup, typos: comunicxable disease
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[5:02] <drjam> ther we go
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[5:03] <drjam> x is right next to c..... iu mash it all and hit send, sometimes even works
[5:03] <drjam> bbs, nbuying parts for cliens pcs
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[5:18] <nevodka> i ordered like a $7 usb microsd reader off amazon
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[5:19] <nevodka> seems strange to me the microsd doesn't come preinstalled with anything
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[5:19] <nevodka> ive got a pi 3 with me from my lab which i couldnt boot into either >.>
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[5:22] <hmoney> nevodka- you're saying you want an untrusted computer booting onto your network?
[5:22] <hmoney> you cray
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[5:57] <girlzgirls> so i have my raspi b+ and installed the drivers for a tft display. now i cant use the hdmi with a monitor. how do i switch back and forth?
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[6:08] <HrdwrBoB> depends
[6:09] <girlzgirls> on what?
[6:11] <HrdwrBoB> why/what you're trying to do
[6:11] <HrdwrBoB> and what TFT it is
[6:11] <HrdwrBoB> and how you're doing the display
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[6:12] <girlzgirls> i believe its a serial connection
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[6:13] <girlzgirls> its 3.5
[6:13] <girlzgirls> im trying to play gif files
[6:13] <girlzgirls> its too slow on a serial connection tho
[6:13] <HrdwrBoB> you mean SPI?
[6:13] <girlzgirls> i ordered an hdmi display today to see if that makes a dff.
[6:13] <HrdwrBoB> link to the display
[6:13] <girlzgirls> spi yeah i guess
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[7:21] <drjam> does anyone ele regularly clear their screen so its tidy, in irc?
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[7:29] <Viper168> drjam, no I make my buffer bigger than default so I can see more scrollback
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[7:36] <drjam> cool Viper168
[7:36] <drjam> i dont actually read everything anymore....its like days of our lives most times :)
[7:37] <drjam> ive noticed if you comment on somethjing that occured 25 mins ago, most people act like a meer cat thats seen a bit of grass move
[7:37] <Viper168> I op a lot of channels so is helpful to be able to scroll up and find incidents without searching logs
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[7:37] <drjam> sounds like u go thru a bit of caffeeine per day
[7:38] <Viper168> nah I'd need something stronger tbh but I avoid stimulants in general
[7:38] <Viper168> so just tired all the time :P
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[8:20] <Wizard> Hi
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[8:34] <Hanonim> hola
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[9:11] <Hanonim> gordonDrogon: Hi Gordon! A bit of a noob question, i'm afraid. What do you mean by "range" in the context of pwm ? How does it relate to frequency and duty cycle ? (i'm quite new to electronics)
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[10:16] <gordonDrogon> Hanonim, hi.
[10:16] <gordonDrogon> ugh. pwm )-:
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[10:18] <gordonDrogon> traditionally, you have a clock. This clock feeds a counter. when the counter hits the value, the output changes. The clock keeps incrementing the counter and when it hits the top then output changes again and the counter resets. This gives a traditional mark:space ration type of PWM.
[10:19] <gordonDrogon> On the Pi, the range is the top value of the counter (a 32-bit value).
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[10:19] <gordonDrogon> So if the range is 1024, then you set the pwm value to 512, then you get a 50:50 mark:space ratio or "half power".
[10:20] <tga> https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1qiyMOpXXXXaQXVXXq6xXFXXXB/222195001/HTB1qiyMOpXXXXaQXVXXq6xXFXXXB.jpg?size=189580&height=800&width=800&hash=812ad6c478457e81d421e6ca0be84d1c
[10:20] <gordonDrogon> So you get 512 1's then 512 0's.
[10:20] <tga> interesting board layout for this orangepi, I wonder what the advantage is
[10:21] <gordonDrogon> who cares - this is #raspberrypi
[10:21] <tga> who cares
[10:21] <gordonDrogon> Hanonim, however the Pi's PWM uses a balanced PWM by default, so for a range of 512 (ie. half power), you get 1010101... for a total of 1024 bits.
[10:21] <gordonDrogon> which means the effective output frequency changes.
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[10:22] <gordonDrogon> you can switch the Pi's PWM to mark:space mode.
[10:22] <gordonDrogon> and that's PWM. Start drawing diagrams now.
[10:23] <gordonDrogon> tga, weird stuff like this are usually for track length efficiency - trying to keep track lengths the same, or to cram more stuff into the same space, or just because they can.
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[10:24] <tga> I've seen one rotated chip before, multiple ones at different angles look strange
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[10:25] <gordonDrogon> the routing from the cpu to the ram chips is fairly symetrical though - that suggests more that it's to do with track lengths.
[10:25] <tga> btw, what's the word on the orangepis vs rpi?
[10:25] <tga> more or less the same or expect pain?
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[10:26] <gordonDrogon> orange pi are trying to cash-in on the "Pi" name without putting money back into education. it's pure profit for them, nothing more and for that reason alone I won't ever touch them.
[10:26] <Lonefish> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WNrx2jq184
[10:26] <tga> well tbh that's what most hardware vendors do
[10:26] <tga> pi name aside
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[10:27] <tga> I take the pi name to mean it's a compatible board and I can use rpi software without modification
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[10:27] <gordonDrogon> tga, Lol!
[10:27] <gordonDrogon> no, the Pi name means "We want your money, sucker".
[10:28] <GyroW> TFW you want to expirement with your pi at school and forget it at home
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[10:32] <GeekOfflineNL> if orange pi zero would be better available then pi zero :-)
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[10:33] <GeekOfflineNL> getting pi zero in the netherlands is mission impossible
[10:33] <tga> aliexpress.com
[10:33] <tga> and wait 2 months heh
[10:33] <tga> that's for orange btw, not rpi zero
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[10:34] <tga> damn I was looking at this orangepi kit for $31 and it turned into $43 under my eyes
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[10:36] <tga> orangepi zeros are interesting because they have wifi, for $7ish
[10:36] <GeekOfflineNL> well i'll stick to the original pi's for now :-)
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[10:37] <tga> or rather stick to looking for one
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[10:38] <tga> I think I'll stick to regular rpi3, but for zero orangepi is looking good
[10:38] <tga> for about the same price opi seems to have 2gb ram but no bt
[10:38] <tga> + long wait time
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[10:40] <gordonDrogon> almost all other fruit Pi devices look good - and they all seem to have better specifications than that Pi - does that make them better? Who knows. Support and reliability seems to be the key issue
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[10:40] <tga> I'll take reliability, but it's not like you get any extra support for rpi
[10:40] <gordonDrogon> and lets not forget ... 13 million Pi's? (or whatever it is now - 14 million?) more Pi's sold than all other fruit Pi's, etc. put together...
[10:41] <GeekOfflineNL> agreed gordonDrogon
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[10:41] <gordonDrogon> there is a vast support network for the Pi - forums, stackoverflow, adafruit, pimoroni, all other Pi bits sellers.
[10:41] <GeekOfflineNL> and still more an more OS'ses and software become default available
[10:41] <tga> sure, but those apply to proper clones too
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[10:42] <gordonDrogon> there are no clones - maybe some "mostly compatible", but no clones.
[10:42] <tga> to me the biggest advantage is being able to order a rpi and have it on my desk the next day
[10:42] <tga> vs getting stuff from .cn
[10:42] <tga> accessories too
[10:42] <gordonDrogon> there are some UK dealers for other Pi stuff now...
[10:42] <gordonDrogon> whether that's good or bad, who knows.
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[10:43] <tga> I think EU dealers mark them up enough that you might as well get a rpi
[10:43] <gordonDrogon> :)
[10:43] <tga> that has been my experience with arduino stuff
[10:43] <gordonDrogon> they're taking the risk of the import and dealing with potential faults.
[10:43] <gordonDrogon> consumer laws in the EU, etc. ...
[10:44] <tga> I think they pay tax too, ordering small amounts off aliexpress goes around VAT and such
[10:44] <gordonDrogon> buy from .cn and get no consumer rights vs. buy locally with all the rights you're entitled to.
[10:44] <tga> yeah, totally
[10:44] <gordonDrogon> personally, I like to support local dealers for stuff.
[10:45] <tga> nothing against that, within reason
[10:45] <tga> when it's like $3 board from China vs $17 for functionally the same thing locally, I pass
[10:45] <tga> that supports the dealer, adafruit, the economy (vat)
[10:46] <tga> and the same Chinese folks who make them in the first place
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[10:46] <ali1234> $3 to $17 is pretty reasonable
[10:46] <ali1234> unreasonable is when its $0.50 in china or $30 here
[10:47] <tga> I haven't seen anything that dramatic
[10:47] <ali1234> i have
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[10:47] <GeekOfflineNL> so overhere in the netherlands we just combine orders with friends en collegau's and order ones directly from the source :-)
[10:47] <tga> I don't even know how they can ship stuff over that cheaply
[10:48] <ali1234> the chinese government subisidizes it
[10:48] <GeekOfflineNL> saves on shippingcosts and get better rates then european resellers
[10:48] <Viper168> am too broke to not go cheap, and don't feel guilty for it, the situation needs to change so it's not the case though perhaps
[10:48] <tga> crazy, I can't mail the same thing to the next town for as much as it costs to buy it from China, free shipping
[10:48] <Viper168> now if the spare cash were available, I might spend a little more
[10:49] <ali1234> heres an example btw
[10:49] <tga> I used to pay the premium to buy parts at a local store, but then I moved and it's all online anyway
[10:49] <tga> being able to walk over and return/replace things was priceless
[10:49] <oq> I only buy locally if I need it right now
[10:49] <Viper168> reminds me I shipped something to canada recently for $40.... a much larger package was sent to me from the location in canada and it only cost them like $7
[10:49] <ali1234> https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/adafruit-mini-pan-tilt-kit-assembled-with-micro-servos - this is $25 plus shipping
[10:49] <tga> no local stores around
[10:49] <ali1234> i can buy identical thing on ebay for $1
[10:50] <tga> adafruit is 3-5x to start with
[10:50] <Viper168> yeah I do pay locally for items if I can't wait
[10:50] <Viper168> or if shipping makes it not make sense
[10:50] <oq> adafruits shipping prices are broken
[10:50] <oq> they charge way too much even for america
[10:50] <tga> atm I don't really know what I'm doing so being able to return stuff is crucial
[10:51] <oq> I think they either calculate it wrong or are getting ripped off
[10:51] <ali1234> when everything costs $1 you dont care about returning it
[10:51] <tga> or they keep part of it
[10:51] <Viper168> am going to get free shipping on my 3d printer apparently at least
[10:51] <tga> true ali1234
[10:51] <tga> that means ebay/aliexpress though
[10:51] <oq> Viper168: prusa?
[10:51] <tga> adafruit parts aren't that disposable
[10:51] <GeekOfflineNL> when everything is a few dollar, you can experiment with it and affort to lose or burn a few items :-)
[10:52] <Viper168> forgot I'll be able to 3d print stuff to use my pi now
[10:52] <ali1234> in some cases the chinese are cloning stuff designed by adafruit or whatever
[10:52] <ali1234> then the higher price is covering R&D
[10:52] <Viper168> make the little gaming/computing/media device I wanted to make
[10:52] <ali1234> but then sometimes its literally just a breakout board for a chip
[10:52] <Hanonim> gordonDrogon: thanks for you answer !
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[10:53] <Viper168> oq, yeah i3
[10:53] <oq> yeah, adafruit is unique because it's actually making a lot of the stuff, not just reselling it
[10:53] <Viper168> an aluminum frame model
[10:53] <oq> Viper168: noice
[10:53] <gordonDrogon> pimoroni in the UK is similar to adafruit
[10:53] <Viper168> kind of considered a delta but this seems like it may suit things better
[10:54] <gordonDrogon> and they sell each others tuff too.
[10:54] <oq> pimoroni doesn't charge an arm and a leg in shipping for just a pi0 though
[10:54] <Viper168> though the increased vertical print area is tempting
[10:54] <gordonDrogon> I think that might reflect UK vs. US shipping charges though.
[10:54] <tga> anyone know a good dealer in .de?
[10:54] <oq> gordonDrogon: adafruit charge more than typical for local american shipping
[10:54] <tga> it's shipping *and handling*
[10:54] <tga> maybe they handle stuff more
[10:55] <oq> more fingerprints?
[10:55] <tga> more love
[10:56] <Viper168> maybe they like milking some extra cash out of people
[10:56] <tga> they're definitely not a charity
[10:56] <Viper168> is not unheard of
[10:56] <Viper168> have seen it where someone starts charging more for one thing then stop wanting to offer it for less to those they had been
[10:57] <Viper168> it starts looking like a loss when money becomes too important
[10:57] <tga> I totally support a Ministry of Electronics distributing cheap crap at cost
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[10:57] <tga> get your governmentpi
[10:57] <oq> tga: sounds like dirty communism!
[10:58] <tga> I don't know about dirty
[10:58] <Viper168> mmm communism
[10:58] <tga> then again, sounds like that's what the chinese govt is doing anyway
[10:58] <Viper168> jk don't tell trump I said that I don't want to live in a camp
[10:58] <tga> with the shipping
[10:58] <avu> now with builtin trojan to keep the terrorists and child molesters from using it! won't use it for anything else, promise!
[10:58] <tga> too late Viper168
[10:59] <tga> I'll come throw you rpis over the fence
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[10:59] <Viper168> I'm going to go pull some fur out of my ears
[10:59] <Viper168> cause I'm old
[10:59] <Viper168> bbl
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[10:59] <oq> Viper168: tmi
[11:00] <Hanonim> gordonDrogon: it looks like people usually want mark:space mode, shouldn't it be the default ?
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[11:01] <markit> hi, AFAK "HAT" expansions should be stackable multiple times (so you can add "n" boards, one over the other), but I see something like that https://shop.pimoroni.com/collections/raspberry-pi/products/automation-hat "automation hat" that seems not the case... am I missing something?
[11:02] <ali1234> hats are not required to be stackable
[11:02] <ali1234> in fact i think they are explicitly not stackable due to the eeprom
[11:03] <BurtyB> yeah, you can't stack a hat
[11:03] <Viper168> oq, you know it turns you on
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[11:04] <oq> ali1234: what about a hat that splits hats
[11:04] <Viper168> I could save the hairs and mail them to you if you want, would only cost me $50
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[11:04] <ali1234> oq: its not supported for the same reason
[11:05] <oq> Viper168: got my own supply thanks
[11:05] <Viper168> why when you get around 30 do ear hairs suddenly get out of hand
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[11:05] <markit> so if I need multiple expansion boards, I can't have them :(
[11:05] <Viper168> I am not ok with this
[11:06] <Viper168> supposedly they get worse
[11:06] <oq> markit: buy multiple pies
[11:07] <GyroW> Where can I find the tkinter python module
[11:07] <gordonDrogon> Hanonim, the hardware defaults to balanced mode - it makes for better motor control...
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[11:07] <oq> Viper168: the hairs were always there, but by the time you reach 30 all of your accumulated knowledge pushes them out
[11:07] * Viper168 devises a pi-based ear hair prevention system
[11:08] <gordonDrogon> Viper168, and nose hairs ...
[11:08] <Viper168> yeah those are getting a little unruly too
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[11:08] <Viper168> wtf nature
[11:08] <Viper168> you're fired
[11:09] <oq> nose hairs just complement a moustache
[11:09] <gordonDrogon> family friendly please...
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[11:09] <gordonDrogon> abbreviations count ...
[11:10] <gordonDrogon> anyway, one HAT per Pi then use this Internet of Insecure things to talk to each one...
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[11:11] <gordonDrogon> and if all goes well, I'll be releasing the next wiringPi which is "network aware" ...
[11:12] <gordonDrogon> you can declare a "pin" to be on a remote Pi and a Pi can be a device like a temp. sensor, etc.
[11:12] <BurtyB> ut oh ;)
[11:12] <tga> gordonDrogon: get it to work like that with an esp8266
[11:13] <tga> cost--
[11:13] <Hanonim> gordonDrogon: seeing your comment on the orangepi... you look like you care about education
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[11:14] <gordonDrogon> I've not looked at the esp8266 stuff yet.
[11:15] <shauno> safer not to. they're quite addictive
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[11:17] <gordonDrogon> I am using some rfm69 modules though.
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[11:18] <gordonDrogon> and I'll eventually make a pin driver for them, but it's really for one project.
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[11:18] <gordonDrogon> I have a Pi as a 'master' and lots of other devices - mostly arduinos with rfm69 modules. the arduinos are sort of autonomous, take commands from the pi and get on with it ...
[11:19] <tga> that's exactly what I want to do for this old radio project
[11:19] <tga> arduino for buttons and such, rpi master
[11:19] * ShorTie Thinkz it be cool if rfm69 stuff made it into wiringPi
[11:19] <tga> what would you use to get them to talk?
[11:19] <tga> any specific protocol or just dump strings over serial?
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[11:20] <ali1234> i would use USB HID
[11:20] <ali1234> since thats literally what it is for
[11:20] <gordonDrogon> I've also put a pseudo pin driver into wiringPi - this is a small block of shared memory in a Pi - you can write to that remotely and a local program can read from it - e.g. for my oven controller - the Pi controls the oven,but the dial reading comes from a virtual pin and the output temperature goes into anothter pin, so a remote Pi (or linux laptop) can write & read he pins and the Pi does the actual control.
[11:20] <tga> can you do analog stuff over hid?
[11:20] <gordonDrogon> wiringPi is really a pin type of interface, so think in terms of pins.
[11:20] <ali1234> yes of course you can
[11:20] <gordonDrogon> wiringPi supports analog.
[11:21] <tga> ok, no idea, I've only used hid for emulating a keyboard
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[11:21] <tga> gordonDrogon: sounds like how blynk works too
[11:21] <brainzap> virtual remote pins, nice
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[11:22] <ali1234> there isnt really any reason to have analogue controls on a radio interface though
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[11:22] <ali1234> all you need is buttons and maybe a couple of rotary controls
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[11:23] <tga> 8 buttons, 4 rotary in, maybe some lights and stuff out
[11:23] <tga> maybe a station selector AO if I can get the mechanical part to work
[11:23] <gordonDrogon> it depends on the interface you want - traditional, or simply type a command: play radio 2
[11:24] <tga> no keyboard, my only input is from the buttons and such
[11:24] <tga> and I figured I won't wire it all into the rpi to make it easier to upgrade later
[11:25] <tga> the case gets an arduino and is independent from the music player
[11:26] <ali1234> all the more reason to make it HID compiant
[11:26] <tga> I'm still undecided whether I should try to get DAB and BT audio through the rpi or get independent devices and put them through an amp
[11:26] <tga> what's the difference between hid and a usb serial port though?
[11:27] <ali1234> HID doesnt require any special driver software
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[11:30] <tga> http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/21383/usb-what-are-the-advantages-or-disadvantages-or-using-hid-over-serial-over-us
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[11:30] <tga> I found a good discussion of that here
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[11:32] <gordonDrogon> example of wiringPi over the 'net: On my weather station Pi: wiringpid -x ds18b20:100:0000053af458 123456 That runs the daemon and adds in the ds18b20 temp sensor at pin 100. (network password is 123456), on a remote device (Linux desktop): gpio -z -x drcn:100:200:weather-pi-w:6124:123456 aread 200 and it tells me: 201 (20,1�C)
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[11:34] <tga> gordonDrogon: can you blindly export all pins and use them later from a remote device?
[11:35] <tga> to turn the rpi into a wireless gpio connector
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[11:35] <gordonDrogon> tga, yes... but you can also block that - -z to the wiringPiD daemon block remote access to on-board pins, but still lets remotes read gpio expansion modules
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[11:36] <gordonDrogon> however you can give a remote linux device full access to the pins if you like - you could even bit-bang SPI over the 'net if you were daft enough :)
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[11:41] <bortzmeyer> Upgrade of kernel+firmware, and now stuck on rainbow screen + red LEDs :-(
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[11:51] <gordonDrogon> woops.
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[11:53] <bortzmeyer> It works with kernel-emergency.img. Strange.
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[12:11] <Hanonim> in mark:space pwm mode, frequency = 19.2MHz / clock_divisor / range
[12:11] <Hanonim> how does it look like in balanced mode ?
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[12:19] <gordonDrogon> weird.
[12:19] <gordonDrogon> frequency and PWM are not directly related.
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[12:20] <gordonDrogon> just switch to m:s mode if you need it.
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[12:21] <gordonDrogon> pwmSetMode (PWM_MODE_MS) ;
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[12:27] <Hanonim> i read that here :
[12:27] <Hanonim> http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/4906/control-hardware-pwm-frequency#9725
[12:28] <shauno> frequency doesn't really help much. a 50% duty cycle at 1MHz averages out the same value as a 50% duty cycle at 10MHz
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[12:33] <sbef> hi guys i have a tiny question. i had this homeworks with raspberries, and teacher gave me 2 of thems. i've formatted sd cards to fat32 and put noobs in them. the problem is that i just realized that my monitor has just vga and dvi available D: i read something
[12:33] <sbef> like i can use my laptop via ssh, using lan cable
[12:34] <sbef> but once i plugged it both in raspberry and laptop
[12:34] <sbef> what am i supposed to?
[12:34] <sbef> i'm such a newbie so any help would be great...
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[12:34] <_bugz> Should I learn to solder before buying a kit?
[12:36] <mfa298> sbef: you should be able to get a cable that lets you connect the Pi's hdmi output to the monitors DVI input. the signals are generally compatible (just no audio with dvi)
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[12:37] <sbef> yeah i know there are adapters too vga too. i don't have any available in my house and i've influence rn so cant go out ahah was hoping in some other solution
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[12:38] <mfa298> you can use the Pi's headless (over the lan), but I'm not sure how easy that is with noobs. For headless setup I just use the raspbian image and connect the Pi's to a lan port on the router.
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[12:45] <Matan[M]> hello, is it worth to mount RTC clock on PI2B?
[12:47] <BurtyB> if it's not connected to the interwebs and you want the correct date/time maybe
[12:48] <Matan[M]> but if it will work as 24/7 online basic server is it worth or sync time with network is just ok?
[12:50] <gordonDrogon> sync time with the Internet is a billion times more accurate than an RTC if that's your concern.
[12:50] <gordonDrogon> so if you're Pi is connected to the internet just relax and be happy...
[12:50] <gordonDrogon> or even your Pi ..
[12:50] <Matan[M]> THX
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[13:39] <iwkse> hi, there's a way to just drop dhcpcd and rely only on /etc/network/interfaces?
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[13:44] <shiftplusone> of course, disable dhcpcd and just use interfaces.
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[13:45] <_bugz> Should I learn to solder before buying a kit?
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[13:46] <flo|va-nu-pied> gordonDrogon: in fact I had some problem with it. the raspberry was configured as a DNS server using DNSSEC, and /Etc/resolv.conf pointing to loopback
[13:46] <iwkse> shiftplusone: didn't work for me
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[13:47] <iwkse> I'm going to try again, I installed raspbian light
[13:47] <flo|va-nu-pied> when powering it on it started with a wrong date value, and the raspberry pi was unable to resolve ntp server's IP
[13:47] <pwillard> raspbian lite should not have any bearing on use of DHCPd or not
[13:47] <flo|va-nu-pied> I had to disable DNSSEC, wait for ntp sync to be OK and then enable DNSSEC on the bidn server again
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[13:48] <iwkse> pwillard: I didn't I didn't install for that reason
[13:49] <iwkse> dhcpcd is also installed on the lite
[13:49] <pwillard> You mean you thought raspbian lite didn't enable DHCP by default?
[13:49] <flo|va-nu-pied> iwkse: you can do what you want trough the GUI on the OSMC theme only
[13:49] <iwkse> no I don't need the gui
[13:49] <iwkse> I need ssh access only
[13:49] <flo|va-nu-pied> so you don't need OSMC :)
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[13:50] <iwkse> so I need to configure the network
[13:50] <iwkse> yes
[13:50] <iwkse> pwillard: no I mean on rasberry lite is also enabled by default
[13:50] <flo|va-nu-pied> then just edit /etc/network/interfaces as mentioned
[13:50] <shiftplusone> iwkse: start with clean lite, disable dhcpcd, configure interfaces and then go from there. It should be easy to figure out why it's not working.
[13:50] <pwillard> very true
[13:51] <iwkse> I tried this but didn't work in raspbian
[13:51] <iwkse> I will try again now on lite
[13:51] <flo|va-nu-pied> no no,
[13:51] <pwillard> do you not have a DHCP server?
[13:51] <flo|va-nu-pied> you where note capable of doing that
[13:51] <flo|va-nu-pied> not the same :)
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[13:51] <iwkse> pwillard: I uninstalled dhcpcd
[13:52] <iwkse> and after this it brokes all
[13:52] <iwkse> flo|va-nu-pied: yeah, or maybe a bug
[13:52] * iwkse wondering
[13:52] <pwillard> highly unlikely its a bug
[13:52] <iwkse> well I didn't remove the package with dd
[13:52] <pwillard> is your goal to have a static IP?
[13:53] <iwkse> yes just as how I have it in all my linux machinages
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[13:53] <iwkse> I'm just used to put stuff in /etc/network/interfaces
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[13:53] <flo|va-nu-pied> iwkse: there are no bug on the network configuration on raspbian image, believe me :)
[13:53] <pwillard> Meh... I guess I just take the lazy mans approach and tell my DHCP server to do IP reservarions based on MAC address.
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[13:54] <flo|va-nu-pied> sometimes you also need to put stuff in /etc/network/interface.d/XXXX
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[13:54] <iwkse> well, I've always used this approach and always worked
[13:54] <iwkse> I don't need dhcpd
[13:55] <iwkse> anyway I'm going to try again
[13:55] <flo|va-nu-pied> is the ip address you selected not in the DHCP range ?
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[13:55] <iwkse> just it's a bit uncomfortable
[13:55] <DrJ> what's the best image for someone wanting to fiddle around with Kodi on a pi3?
[13:55] <DrJ> I see there are multiple ones
[13:55] <flo|va-nu-pied> DrJ: OSMC is a good one
[13:55] <shiftplusone> DrJ: libreelec
[13:56] <DrJ> looking for mostly a "plug-n-play" one
[13:56] <shiftplusone> libreelec
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[13:56] <DrJ> thanks
[13:56] <flo|va-nu-pied> both :)
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[13:56] <shiftplusone> or either
[13:56] <shiftplusone> but mostly libreelec >.>
[13:56] <flo|va-nu-pied> have to go bye everybody
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[13:59] <hjf_> hi guys. i have a raspi3 that´s acting up. it often hangs, and now its doing something strange: i tried apt-get upgrade, got a segfault, and the reboot command doesn't work
[13:59] <DrJ> shiftplusone, does it run pretty good on a pi?
[13:59] <hjf_> is there a way to force a reboot other than pulling the plug?
[13:59] <DrJ> pi3 that is?
[13:59] <DrJ> I'm assuming you've used it
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[13:59] <shiftplusone> yes, I haven't had any problems with it
[14:00] <shiftplusone> hjf_: it sounds like you have a corrupted sd card, in which case pulling the plug isn't going to be much worse.
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[14:00] <shiftplusone> hjf_: you may with to set up a watchdog, but it shouldn't be necessary, a pi and run for a very long time without hanging if your power supply is decent.
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[14:05] <hjf_> shiftplusone: well i configured the card as read only
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[14:05] <hjf_> root is mounted ro
[14:05] <hjf_> could it become corrupted by itself_
[14:05] <hjf_> ?
[14:05] <hjf_> the psu I measured and its stable at 5.1V
[14:06] <hjf_> I also added a 1000uF capacitor right at the pi3 voltage input for good measure
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[14:06] <shiftplusone> fair enough
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[14:07] <zZap-X> what is the difference between soft float and hard float?
[14:08] <shiftplusone> In how much detail?
[14:08] <zZap-X> http://rpi.fatdog.eu/?p=downloads
[14:08] <zZap-X> here it shows soft float and hard float for different distros
[14:09] <zZap-X> versions
[14:09] <shiftplusone> You want hard whenever possible
[14:09] <zZap-X> oh ok, why is that?
[14:09] <shiftplusone> One does float operations fast, the other doesn't.
[14:09] <zZap-X> what kind of applications require float?
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[14:10] <shiftplusone> Ones that are inherently mathy in nature.
[14:10] <zZap-X> right ok, so if i was using something like mpd, it wouldnt matter?
[14:11] <shiftplusone> It might, there should be plenty of benchmarks out there comparing the two.
[14:11] <shiftplusone> There is no reason to use soft float when hard float is available.
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[14:11] <zZap-X> shiftplusone: well it depends on the distro, not all support hard float
[14:11] <zZap-X> slackware current supports hard float but its unstable
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[14:12] <shiftplusone> yup
[14:12] <shiftplusone> going back to your question though, yeah, you probably won't notice a difference.
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[14:13] <zZap-X> shiftplusone: does libreelec use hard float on latest releases?
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[14:13] <shiftplusone> yes
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[14:14] <zZap-X> aye ok
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[14:14] <zZap-X> shiftplusone: what other good distros use hard float for pi 3?
[14:14] <shiftplusone> raspbian and archlinux
[14:15] <zZap-X> aye thanks
[14:15] <zZap-X> is raspbian rolling release?
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[14:15] <shiftplusone> nope
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[14:15] <zZap-X> good
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[14:49] <dgeary2> attempting to install task-desktop fails due to broken dependencies
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[14:51] <shiftplusone> dgeary2: pastebin?
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[15:05] <iwkse> shiftplusone: I have some problems with the lite as well. The issue anyway is with the wifi network. dmesg shows an error with not a iso3166 code.
[15:06] <shiftplusone> could you post that? it doesn't sound like an actual fatal error
[15:07] <iwkse> let's see if I can post it
[15:07] <iwkse> well it's in red color
[15:08] <iwkse> and after it says, netdev wlan0 already exists
[15:08] <iwkse> I will try to take all the lines
[15:09] <shiftplusone> the full output from 'sudo journalctl' would probably be most useful
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[15:09] <iwkse> shiftplusone: ok
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[15:39] <iwkse> shiftplusone: that's it http://pastebin.com/NwKgEYpR
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[15:40] <shiftplusone> iwkse: looks okay to me. Is this meant to be using static ip?
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[15:41] <iwkse> shiftplusone: yes I've configureed /etc/network/interfaces and in wpa_supplicant.conf the essid and psk under the network section
[15:42] <shiftplusone> what does ifconfig say?
[15:42] <shiftplusone> and what's the problem exactly? It looks like it has done what you've asked it to do.
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[15:42] <iwkse> shiftplusone: ifconfig wlan0 shows nothing set
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[15:43] <shiftplusone> what does interfaces look like?
[15:43] <iwkse> like it's just up but not setup
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[15:43] <shiftplusone> I mean the file
[15:43] <iwkse> I can see it in ifconfig
[15:43] <iwkse> moment
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[15:48] <iwkse> shiftplusone: I've fixed it..it was manual instead of static. I turned it into inet static and now it works fine
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[15:49] <iwkse> I guess dhcpcd wants manual?
[15:49] <shiftplusone> yup
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[15:52] <iwkse> ok thx
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[16:01] <TwoNotes> If /var and /home are on a spinning disk, is there anything else I need to do before setting "/" to RO on the HD card?
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[16:03] <shiftplusone> the best way to find out is to try it.
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[16:10] <EDinNY> running Rasperian. When I try to apt-get install samba, it says "The following packages cannot be authenticated!", then after I tell it to do it anyway, "E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[16:10] <EDinNY> "
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[16:10] <shiftplusone> what's the output of sudo apt-get update?
[16:10] <shiftplusone> Also, *Raspbian.
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[16:12] <EDinNY> I can't find a start file in /etc/init.d/samba
[16:12] <EDinNY> shiftplusone: http://pastebin.com/yRRAkWMk
[16:13] <shiftplusone> if you apt-get install samba now, do you still get the error?
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[16:14] <EDinNY> Odd. I thought I had already done an update and upgrade
[16:14] <shauno> I don't wanna sound mean, but this is exactly why the error message includes "maybe run apt-get update" ;)
[16:14] <EDinNY> it is now upgrading
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[16:14] <shiftplusone> init.d is a sysvinit thing
[16:15] <shiftplusone> The systemd service is in /lib/systemd/system/samba.service
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[16:15] <shauno> whenever they upgrade packages on the repo, they take the old ones off. this is unlike debian or ubuntu's behaviour, but is much friendlier to mirrors. so if something's missing, it's almost always because there's a newer version
[16:16] <shiftplusone> raspbian.org does. We keep the old ones on raspberrypi.org. For now, at least.
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[17:30] <EDinNY> Initial upgrade and dist-upgrade take longer than the install!
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[17:33] <shiftplusone> Yeah, there hasn't been an update to the image in quite a while.
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[17:46] <Mooooon> so I want to set up my Pi to browse the internet and watch online videos on my TV. I have it hooked up via ethernet and hdmi to the tv, I was gonna control it via VNC or wireless mouse. What's the best OS/setup for online web browsing such as youtube or other .mp4 mpv type video files (buffered and played online, not stored locally)
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[17:49] <Mooooon> I'd appreciate any thoughts or inputs.....what distro? what web browser? Other packages?
[17:49] <Mooooon> it's a Pi3
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[17:56] <Chillum> probably raspbian Mooooon
[17:57] <Mooooon> alright, do you think I should get a different browser? Firefox? I dunno how well raspbian handles online media playing
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[18:06] <Chillum> Mooooon: not 100% sure but I think the stock browser is setup to decode using the hardware decoder
[18:07] <Chillum> the omxplayer that comes with raspbian will play most anything compatible through the hardware decoder
[18:07] <Mooooon> hmmm okay
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[18:07] <Chillum> if you roll your own solution you will need to set it up to use the hardware decoding instead of software
[18:07] <Chillum> or it will struggle. If it is using hardware then it can do full frame rate 1080p no problem
[18:07] <Mooooon> some of the sites use tampermonkey extension which is the issue I'm running into
[18:08] <Mooooon> for playing the videos
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[18:08] <Chillum> I don't know what a tampermonkey is
[18:09] <Mooooon> or greasemonkey
[18:09] <Mooooon> it's a browser extension for firefox and chrome
[18:09] <Mooooon> for scripts
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[18:09] <Mooooon> I have to use it to play videos from cytube
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[18:10] <Chillum> oh
[18:10] <Chillum> I really don't know
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[18:36] <RoyK> hi all. a year back or so, I asked here how to use video in a browser with pi (using firefox atm). I was told to use some javascript library (IIRC) to make use of the GPU - is this still needed? I need this for some info screens and perhaps ads
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[18:39] <leftyfb> RoyK: this might be a better solution for you: https://www.screenly.io/ose/
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[19:14] <RoyK> leftyfb: possibly... but then, I already have something rather useful apart from the video
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[20:02] <girlzgirls> hey, look at this pi-like board ASUS came out with
[20:02] <girlzgirls> https://youtu.be/CS66_BbalG8?t=11s
[20:03] <girlzgirls> looks like the successor
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[20:05] <ali1234> its still arm though
[20:06] <girlzgirls> whats that mean?
[20:06] <ali1234> it means its really slow compared to a PC
[20:07] <girlzgirls> well im not comparing it to a pc, im comparing it to raspi
[20:08] <Habbie> the successor to the pi3
[20:08] <Habbie> is the pi4
[20:08] <Habbie> and nothing else
[20:09] <girlzgirls> how fast is the pi 3 in relation to pi b+ and how much faster is ppi 4?
[20:09] <Habbie> the pi4 does not exist yet
[20:09] <ali1234> pi 3 is about 6 times faster than a b+
[20:09] <mfa298> There's been plenty of arm boards that have tried to do well on the back of the Raspberry Pi's name
[20:09] <Habbie> mfa298, at least this one doesn't imitate the name
[20:09] <mfa298> most have not done very well as the support and community is non-existant
[20:09] <brainzap> i just want dedicated network
[20:09] <Habbie> brainzap, why?
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[20:10] <mfa298> at least the Asus one has a decent company behind it so might do better, but anyone is going to struggle to build the same sort of community
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[20:11] <girlzgirls> r u saying pi3 is faster but also unstable?
[20:11] <Habbie> girlzgirls, unstable?
[20:11] <Habbie> girlzgirls, i didn't see anyone saying that
[20:12] <girlzgirls> no but thats what i interpreted
[20:12] <Habbie> oh
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[20:12] <ali1234> pi 3 is 6 times faster than b+, but it is still really slow, mainly because of io bottlenecks
[20:13] <Habbie> i found on pi2 that nfs over ethernet (via the internal usb) beats the SD, yes
[20:13] <girlzgirls> im not trying to render pixar movies with it or anything, i think it would be plenty fast for my little projects lol
[20:13] <ali1234> you have about 20MB/s maximum for the SD card - unachievable in practice because flash memory in the SD cards isnt that fast
[20:14] <ali1234> and you have about 40MB/s maximum shared over all USB devices
[20:14] <Habbie> hmm the tinkerboard does need a heatsink
[20:14] <mfa298> the only Pi's I've had stability issues with are the very first models B's, but half of that is down to the SD cards
[20:14] <ali1234> in comparison a modern SATA SSD does 500MB/s and M.2 SSD does 3000MB/s
[20:14] <Habbie> mfa298, the only stability issues i've had were plugging a wifi dongle into the pi1 without a powered hub
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[20:16] <Habbie> mfa298, re asus, VIA's apc.io totally flopped as far as i can see..
[20:16] <Habbie> mfa298, and it even boots raspbian!
[20:16] <girlzgirls> why are u still trying to compare pi boards to other things? lol
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[20:16] <girlzgirls> ali1234
[20:16] <Habbie> girlzgirls, why not?
[20:17] <ali1234> what else would you compare it to? itself?
[20:17] <girlzgirls> because its in kinda its own little category
[20:17] <Habbie> mfa298, they are now offering 'discounted' pi1-spec boards (APC 8750) because they want to get rid of it - at $49
[20:17] <girlzgirls> i cant go "Well yeah I wanna run a server from my pi board"
[20:17] <girlzgirls> that doesnt make sense
[20:17] <Habbie> girlzgirls, yes it does
[20:17] <Habbie> girlzgirls, many people use their pis as servers
[20:17] <ali1234> i run a server on my pi 3
[20:17] <girlzgirls> sheeit
[20:17] <mfa298> Habbie: the asus launch has been a bit fun as well, CPC were selling them a few weeks back when they wern't supposed to
[20:17] <Habbie> girlzgirls, please mind your language
[20:18] <Habbie> mfa298, ouch
[20:18] <girlzgirls> oh yeah sorry
[20:18] <girlzgirls> i doubt any kids are here this time of day tho...
[20:18] <girlzgirls> schools in ;)
[20:18] <brainzap> i am twelve btw
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[20:18] <Habbie> girlzgirls, not every kid lives in the EU timezone
[20:19] <girlzgirls> sure, and ur too broke for school ryt?
[20:19] <mfa298> girlzgirls: there are lots of Small Board Computers (SBCs) of which the Raspberry is one, it's not really a little cattegory of itself, I don't think it was even the first small linix board.
[20:19] <girlzgirls> ok i retract my statement
[20:19] <leftyfb> kids are on vacation this week here in the U.S.
[20:19] <Habbie> girlzgirls, also my kid has this week off
[20:19] <Habbie> girlzgirls, etc. etc.
[20:19] <leftyfb> girlzgirls: don't make assumptions
[20:19] <ali1234> i am 12 and what is this?
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[20:20] <girlzgirls> like i said..
[20:20] <mfa298> girlzgirls: last year the raspberrypi.org site ran from a few Pi3's as an experiment so it's doable
[20:20] <girlzgirls> ok i retract my statement
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[20:20] <girlzgirls> well i learned something new
[20:20] <Habbie> we (powerdns) got an email from a potential customer today
[20:20] <Habbie> 'what hardware should i buy for this load i am expecting'
[20:20] <girlzgirls> i guess a pi would be a lot cheaper then for server use?
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[20:20] <Habbie> we could (but won't) honestly reply 'buy a pi2'
[20:20] <leftyfb> I run 2 pi servers at home, working on a 3rd. The makerspace I help run has 7 pi servers running
[20:21] <ali1234> so if the answer is potentially "buy a pi 2" then a much better answer would be "buy a VPS"
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[20:21] <leftyfb> sorry, make that 3 servers at home
[20:21] <ali1234> my pi server runs a website and its really slow
[20:22] <leftyfb> forgot about the one running my 3d printer
[20:22] <ali1234> like it takes 2 seconds to load up pages
[20:22] <ali1234> and i am the only user
[20:22] <ali1234> slow IO will do that
[20:22] <Habbie> what kind of website is that?
[20:22] <ali1234> mythweb
[20:23] <leftyfb> ali1234: what if you throw the documentroot on tmpfs or nfs or something like memcache?
[20:23] <ali1234> it doesnt have documents
[20:23] <mfa298> 2s to load a page sounds like you're doign someitnh wrong. I've got a Pi providing a web app here and it's pretty fast.
[20:23] <ali1234> everything is in a mysql database.. like all websites now
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[20:24] <ali1234> its running on a pi 3 booting from USB
[20:24] <Habbie> ali1234, i say this calls for some debugging
[20:24] <Habbie> ali1234, it may not be the slow IO at all
[20:24] <ali1234> there is nothing to debug, the pi is just slow
[20:24] <Habbie> sounds like mythweb is really heavy then
[20:24] <ali1234> of course
[20:24] <mfa298> that sounds like badly written code (probably bad sql)
[20:25] <ali1234> all software is heavy because it is designed to run on x86-64 with PCI-e
[20:25] <Habbie> it is not 'designed' such
[20:25] <Habbie> it 'gets away' with such
[20:25] <ali1234> i could put wordpress on a pi and it would do the same thing
[20:25] <Habbie> yes
[20:25] <Habbie> wordpress is terrible
[20:26] <gordonDrogon> native wordpress isn't that bad - it's all the plugins )-:
[20:26] <Habbie> it does that same thing on a beefy VM for me
[20:26] <Habbie> gordonDrogon, those definitely don't help
[20:26] <Habbie> gordonDrogon, especially the ones the internet installs for you for free if you miss a week of updates ;)
[20:26] <mfa298> also defaults in most software (apache / mysql especially) are usually designed for nothing in particular so always need tuning for the hardware
[20:26] <ali1234> i could put joomla and it would be 10x worse
[20:26] <Habbie> mfa298, indeed - mysql assumes you have 64MB and a super fast disk, which is a terrible default
[20:27] <ali1234> if i wanted to really torture a pi i could put phpbb on it
[20:28] <ali1234> that really is garbage :(
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[20:28] <mfa298> I remember being told a webserver was at max capacity once because it had a load average of 10, looked and the cpu was mostly idle and the load average was partly due to things waiting for an apache process.
[20:28] <Habbie> mfa298, why would that bump the load?
[20:29] <mfa298> did some quick tuning and the users that could use it went up by a lot (many times more users)
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[20:30] <mfa298> load average isn't a good indicator of actual cpu load.
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[20:30] <Habbie> it sure is not
[20:30] <mfa298> lots of blocked processes will give a high load average but not actually be doign much
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[20:30] <Habbie> but 'waiting on apache' as the block reason shouldn't increase the load
[20:30] <Habbie> unless NFS is involved
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[20:31] <ali1234> Gadgetoid: got replacement, thanks :)
[20:31] <ali1234> mfa298: i never understood loadavg anyway. it doesn't seem to be a useful metric
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[20:31] <mfa298> maybe I'm mis-remembering that bit, was quite a few years ago and fairly late in the evening I was dealing with that
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[20:33] <ali1234> it seems like it means "average number of processes waiting for a scheduler slice"
[20:33] <mfa298> but certainly some apache tuning made that server manage a lot more connections (went from failing over with a lots of users, to falling over with a lots*10)
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[20:34] <Habbie> mfa298, that part i readily believe
[20:34] <mfa298> ali1234: it's something like that, but I think that also includes processes blocked on io
[20:34] <Habbie> ali1234, that's not all it counts
[20:35] <ali1234> nobody can understand it
[20:35] <ali1234> everyone just look at top % utilized
[20:36] <ali1234> and everything is io bottlenecked anyway
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[20:36] <Habbie> it's important to remember that there will always be -some- bottleneck
[20:36] <Habbie> some people try to chase things until there are no bottlenecks
[20:36] <Habbie> there is always one
[20:36] <ali1234> no
[20:37] <ali1234> eventually you get everything running at the same speed
[20:37] <Habbie> and then they bottleneck together
[20:37] <Habbie> i have not seen this in practice
[20:37] <ali1234> "everything is the bottleneck" is a contradiction
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[20:37] <Habbie> yes
[20:37] <Habbie> that's what i'm saying
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[20:38] <ali1234> its like that tinker board
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[20:38] <ali1234> the CPU isnt the bottleneck, so improving it is not worth an extra $30
[20:38] <ali1234> that's just the wway it is
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[20:38] <Habbie> depends on what you're doing
[20:39] <Habbie> and the tinkerboard has gbit ethernet, not on usb
[20:39] <Habbie> which is also worth something to some people
[20:39] <ali1234> if you are doing CPU intensive tasks on an ARM system then whatever you are doing, you are doing it wrong
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[20:39] <ali1234> yes, gigabit eth does improve the actual bottleneck, the io
[20:39] <Habbie> depending on the use case, still :)
[20:40] <ali1234> yes. the only way to really fit it would be to add SATA
[20:40] <ali1234> then the CPU would become the bottleneck
[20:41] <Habbie> for your specific application
[20:41] <Habbie> for things like gaming or browsing the web, the disk IO is not the bottleneck at all
[20:42] <ali1234> for game the disk is absolutely the bottleneck unless you've got PCI-e storage
[20:42] <ali1234> so many loading screens
[20:42] <Habbie> depends highly on the game
[20:42] <ali1234> loading textures from disk is slow
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[20:42] <Habbie> many games load all data on startup
[20:42] <ali1234> yes, like solitaire :)
[20:43] <Habbie> or minecraft
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[20:44] <ali1234> lolno
[20:44] <Habbie> oh
[20:44] <ali1234> minecraft is massively io bound
[20:44] <Habbie> ok
[20:44] <ali1234> the voxels fill up gigabytes
[20:44] <Habbie> webbrowsing then?
[20:44] <Armand> Yawncraft is an awful game. :/
[20:44] <ali1234> web browsing is limited by the speed of the entire internet
[20:44] <ali1234> although badly written javascript can max out the CPU
[20:44] <Habbie> i found that on a pi that the internet is not at all the bottleneck
[20:44] <Armand> Yeah.. it's a bit unfair when some of us are using 1Gbps connections. :P
[20:44] <ali1234> rendering modern HTML is not fast on ARM
[20:45] <ali1234> it is only really possible because smartphones are specifically optimized to do it
[20:45] <ali1234> in the early days before android and iOS, smartphone browsers were awful
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[20:47] <ali1234> adblock doesn't gain anything either because the work to remove the ads is roughly equal to the work of rendering them
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[20:47] <Habbie> i have decided i am done with this conversation
[20:47] <Habbie> i hope you can agree
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[21:07] <OnkelTem> Hi all
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[21:08] <swift110> hey
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[22:02] <cromulent> is it reasonable to run the ELK stack on a pi3? I got some memory errors when I tried
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[22:34] <gordonDrogon> sounds like it's not reasonable then...
[22:34] <gordonDrogon> although I've no idea what "the ELK stack" is ...
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[22:36] <H__> kibana and friends
[22:37] <H__> elastic search stuff
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[22:37] <H__> I would not try to run that on a PI
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[23:02] <saint_> hi all - i am trying to have my pi 3 load my iptables rules , so ipforwarding is activated after each reboot. i tried to add an iptables-restore script in /etc/interfaces/if-up.d , but it is not working. any hint please ?
[23:04] <gordonDrogon> is that still run when using systemd ?
[23:05] <saint_> gordonDrogon you are asking me ?
[23:05] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[23:05] <saint_> no clue :/
[23:05] <gordonDrogon> me neither - why I was asking..
[23:05] <gordonDrogon> I use a pre-up command in /etc/network/interfaces and get that to run a scrip directly.
[23:06] <gordonDrogon> pre-up /etc/network/firewall
[23:06] <leftyfb> I was just about to say that
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[23:07] <leftyfb> saint_: you could also stick something like this into /etc/rc.local : http://pastebin.com/raw/k9v6N4fM
[23:07] <saint_> leftyfb would this work AFTER the interface is up ?
[23:08] <leftyfb> saint_: to be honest I'm not sure where rc.local is in the order as opposed to networking
[23:08] <leftyfb> saint_: for that, then definitely put the rules into pre-up in /etc/network/interfaces
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[23:10] <saint_> leftyfb this is what I have in my /etc/network/if-up.d/NAT
[23:10] <saint_> http://pastebin.com/XcErBeDU
[23:11] <saint_> and iptables.v4 is this http://pastebin.com/XfM83DiD
[23:11] <leftyfb> why?
[23:11] <leftyfb> why delete your default gw?
[23:11] <saint_> because my NAT script works manually, i was just trying to fool around left and right to see where it would be read by the system after startup , instead of adding the whole iptables things
[23:11] <gordonDrogon> rc.local is last of the last things.
[23:12] <leftyfb> saint_: what is your end goal?
[23:12] <saint_> because every time i start, it gets 2 defaults route. and the first one screws up my network
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[23:12] <leftyfb> saint_: that should be fixed in your network settings, not deleted after it's added
[23:12] <saint_> leftyfb I am using a pi between wlan0 (192.168.2.0) and eth0 (10.60.1.0) . i want it to be the nat machine
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[23:13] <saint_> so when i do everything manually, everything works. but at each reboot, it s a cluster fuck
[23:13] <leftyfb> then it's very simple...
[23:13] <leftyfb> use that script I posted above, change the interfaces accordingly and call it with a pre-up in your eni file
[23:13] <leftyfb> undo all the rest of that
[23:13] * ShorTie Thinkz saint_ needs to read the channel rules
[23:13] <leftyfb> if you're having issues with multiple gateways, that's an issue with your network settings that should be resolved first
[23:14] <leftyfb> saint_: also, watch your language
[23:14] <saint_> leftyfb everytime i start pi, i get multiple gateways
[23:14] <leftyfb> saint_: right, fix that
[23:14] <saint_> identical gateways, just with a different metric
[23:14] <leftyfb> first
[23:14] <saint_> that's what i have in my /etc/network/interfaces : http://pastebin.com/W27C0dmu
[23:15] <leftyfb> no
[23:15] <leftyfb> that's not the right way to fix it
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[23:15] <leftyfb> find out WHY it's settings 2 gateways and make it not do that
[23:15] <saint_> no, but we agree that this is what i need for my setup , right ? i mean for the basic network setup ... ip interfaces
[23:16] <saint_> ok . hold on , let me redo this
[23:16] <saint_> i l lbe back in 5
[23:16] <saint_> :/
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[23:17] <leftyfb> saint_: step 1 fix multiple gateways properly (your solution is not proper)
[23:17] <leftyfb> saint_: step 2 copy this script somewhere accessible at bootup: http://pastebin.com/raw/k9v6N4fM
[23:17] <leftyfb> saint_: step 3 add this line under your "lo" interface section in your /etc/network/interfaces: pre-up /path/to/startnat.sh
[23:20] <saint_> how do i find why it adds multiple identical (with a different metric) gatewys ? isn't the basic network configuration in /etc/network/interfaces ?
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[23:22] <leftyfb> saint_: do you have 2 network interfaces both plugged into the same router/network using dhcp?
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[23:23] <saint_> no. 2 network interface (eth0 and wlan0) , connected to two different network, using STATIC ip addressing.
[23:23] <saint_> leftyfb my /etc/network/interfaces looks like that http://pastebin.com/ps0ZBGTe
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[23:24] <leftyfb> saint_: are you running PIXEL on your pi?
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[23:24] <leftyfb> saint_: (the graphical desktop)
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[23:25] <saint_> i think it starts by default. i can access it through NoMachine
[23:25] <leftyfb> saint_: disable it
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[23:25] <saint_> leftyfb with all my respect, what does the GUI have to do with the networking ?
[23:26] <leftyfb> saint_: the network client might be pulling an ip via dhcp
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[23:28] <leftyfb> saint_: another solution i'm reading is to change your eth0 from allow-hotplug to auto
[23:29] <saint_> leftyfb okay - i just turned off the GUI at boot. restarting now
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[23:30] <saint_> so how does the line change ? allow-hotplug eth0 to auto eth0 ?
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[23:30] <leftyfb> yup
[23:30] <saint_> leftyfb same for wlan 0 ?
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[23:31] <leftyfb> saint_: that might not be necessary, especially if you haven't joined the wireless with the desktop before
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[23:33] <mfa298> saint_: only looked at the start of the scrollback, look at the iptables-persistent package
[23:33] <saint_> mfa298 i did that. i scrwed up every thing
[23:33] <mfa298> that loads /etc/iptables/rules.v4 at boot (and I think also .v6)
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[23:36] <leftyfb> mfa298: I gave him a pretty simple solution which should work
[23:36] <leftyfb> mfa298: though he first needs to fix the multiple gateway issue before complicating his network settings any further
[23:37] <saint_> leftyfb so i did the changes. rebooted. and still get those routes http://pastebin.com/yKf22UZ2
[23:37] <leftyfb> saint_: ok, gotta change to auto for wlan0 as well
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[23:37] <saint_> ok - stand by
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[23:38] <saint_> leftyfb same thing
[23:39] <saint_> my /etc/network/interface is right, right ?
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[23:39] <saint_> i mean.. there is nothing else to do for basic network setup
[23:39] <leftyfb> can you post it?
[23:41] <leftyfb> I gotta head out in a bit here
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[23:42] <saint_> leftyfb http://pastebin.com/vRepbHJY
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[23:43] <leftyfb> saint_: you could look through your /var/log/syslog and/or dmesg to see what's setting up the additional gateway
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[23:46] <saint_> leftyfb i see some dhcpd message. i m removing dhcp* with apt-get and reboot
[23:47] <saint_> HA !
[23:47] <saint_> leftyfb thanks for the 2nd pair of eye. i now have only 1 default gw
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[23:56] <saint_> leftyfb can post-up be anywhere in the interface file , or does it need to be right after a eth0/wlan0 ? you said to add it in lo , but if the 2 other interfaces are not up yet, will iptables accept wlan0 and eth0 ?
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