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IRC Log for 2017-02-27

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[0:18] <zZap-X> i just turned on my rpi3 and there is no video signal
[0:18] <zZap-X> does that means its dead
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[0:25] <Chillum> zZap-X: is the green light flickering as though it was reading data?
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[0:31] <zZap-X> Chillum: its ok, i forgot the microsd didnt have a os
[0:31] <zZap-X> i thought the multi color screen still comes on without a os
[0:32] <zZap-X> in other words
[0:32] <zZap-X> <--idiot
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[0:45] <Travis> Hello.
[0:45] <drjam> woof
[0:46] <Travis> lol
[0:46] <ShorTie> Good Morning
[0:46] <Travis> I have one last confusing step, to getting my Pi running, with the 7" screen.
[0:46] <Travis> The picture shows a power adapter plugged into the screen power board, not the Pi.
[0:46] <Travis> I thought the Pi was the main and the screen secondary.
[0:47] <Chillum> zZap-X: that is the problem most of the time
[0:50] <HrdwrBoB> Travis: that's how I have it setup for mine
[0:50] <HrdwrBoB> screen is connected to power and feeds it to the pi
[0:50] <HrdwrBoB> doesn't make much difference
[0:50] <Travis> So, you can use either or as the main power source?
[0:50] <HrdwrBoB> there is no 'main power source'
[0:50] <Travis> either*
[0:50] <HrdwrBoB> the power source is the power supply
[0:51] <Travis> This is a bit strange. I've never run into a "no wrong hole" situation before.
[0:54] * hmoney giggles
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[0:55] <Travis> I was trying not to go there.
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[0:59] <drjam> heard that before
[0:59] <drjam> ;)
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[1:00] <Travis> It is just strange, how you can use either the board or the screen's power, if you have the two physically hooked together. I didn't know it was a two-way street.
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[1:02] <HrdwrBoB> Travis: it's a parallel circuit
[1:03] <HrdwrBoB> draw it out
[1:03] <HrdwrBoB> as long as the wiring is sufficient for the current
[1:03] <hmoney> travis these sexual innuendos just keep coming
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[1:03] <mfa298> Travis: there's nothing on the gpio powr pins to limit the direction power flows, meaning they can be used to power other things from the pi, or to power the pi.
[1:04] <mfa298> the differnce between using the microusb on the pi and the gpio pins to power the pi is that the gpio pins bypass some simple protection circuits
[1:05] <mfa298> and device powering the pi via the gpio should be providing similar protection
[1:05] <Travis> LOL
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[1:05] <Travis> I installed the screen upside down
[1:06] <Travis> wait....maybe I didn't
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[1:07] <Travis> This makes no sense. I physically installed the screen, as it should be.
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[1:11] <acro458> anyone ever get a bluetooth headset to work with the pi 3? Been trying for 10 hours, no luck
[1:12] <acro458> Can pair and connect, but no audio goes through
[1:13] <acro458> using linux mint on a desktop and using win10 works just fine
[1:14] <acro458> sorry, not sure if linux mint works. Tried something else, not audio
[1:14] <acro458> Using rasbian
[1:14] <acro458> jessie
[1:14] <hmoney> i got a bt headset to work on a pi3
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[1:14] <acro458> you must be a god
[1:14] <hmoney> but it decided to randomly disconnect a few times
[1:15] <acro458> as with everything linux, 100 different sets of instructions, and none of them work
[1:15] <acro458> tried them all, i think
[1:16] <hmoney> you're talking about with the built in bt?
[1:16] <hmoney> i just did it through the gui in the top right of the screen :/
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[1:20] <acro458> holy hell
[1:20] <acro458> i got it working
[1:20] <acro458> dumb luck
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[1:21] <acro458> in pavucontrol had to set bcm2835 ALSA to OFF, and my speaker to A2DP
[1:22] <redrabbit> bt audio on a pi is a headache
[1:22] <acro458> i had them both to A2DP :/
[1:22] <redrabbit> i ended up putting a good old jack
[1:22] <redrabbit> it works for like 3 minutes then
[1:22] <redrabbit> poof
[1:22] <acro458> needs to be bluetooth for me :/
[1:22] <acro458> unless i buy a jack to bluetooth thingy
[1:22] <drjam> acro458, i feel ya man
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[1:23] <drjam> linux good but 300 steps to get something running that we are used to double-clicking in windows
[1:23] <drjam> plus the "undocumented" steps you get to discover along the way
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[1:23] <HrdwrBoB> it's ok
[1:23] <HrdwrBoB> 2017
[1:23] <HrdwrBoB> year of the linux desktop ;)
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[1:24] <drjam> still glad i made the move to ubuntu for my daily driver, but yeah, tyo say it was a challenge would be an understatemnt, like saying the military is designed to politely discuss politcs with enemy armies
[1:24] <girlzgirls> does anyone know a good video player for the raspi and how i can download it straight over?
[1:24] <redrabbit> use that exploits the hardware decoder
[1:25] <redrabbit> use one*
[1:25] <acro458> lol, the audio works, but it is about 1.5 seconds off sink with the video on youtube
[1:25] <redrabbit> when i got it working it was syncd
[1:25] <redrabbit> worked for 3 minutes though
[1:25] <acro458> for my purpose, it works though
[1:26] <acro458> cause i dont need video
[1:26] <HrdwrBoB> see I've been using linux since 1996
[1:26] <HrdwrBoB> and I use macOS and windows for my desktops/laptop
[1:26] <redrabbit> :>
[1:26] <HrdwrBoB> and coding/admin linux is my dayjob
[1:27] <redrabbit> win10 here
[1:27] <redrabbit> i have about a dozen linux machines all cli
[1:27] <redrabbit> and a couple with lxde
[1:28] <redrabbit> i have that pc i want to turn into a good linux desktop
[1:28] <redrabbit> but i need to find a way to control fans like speedfan
[1:28] <redrabbit> tried pwm control, didn't worked
[1:28] <redrabbit> need "troubleshoot"
[1:28] <redrabbit> :D
[1:32] <pennTeller> Hi guys, does anybody know if it is possible to hide the boot up text in the raspberry pi?
[1:32] <pennTeller> Recalbox does it perfectly
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[1:41] <girlzgirls> once i use ssh to log into my pi, how do i get its ip again? i forgot
[1:42] <HrdwrBoB> ifconfig
[1:43] <girlzgirls> that brought up stuff but not the ip address
[1:43] <pennTeller> girlzgirls, in your main computer (not your pi) if running linux you can probably type: "ssh pi@raspberry.local" and it could work
[1:44] <girlzgirls> i have win10
[1:44] <pennTeller> you have iphone or android?
[1:45] <pennTeller> anyway there is this app called "fing" that will scan your network and will give you the IP address of all devices
[1:45] <girlzgirls> android
[1:45] <girlzgirls> yeah but there was an easier way to do this...
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[1:45] <girlzgirls> is there something i can type on the pi to bring it up?
[1:46] <pennTeller> just type ifconfig
[1:46] <pennTeller> or ip -a
[1:46] <girlzgirls> ill try that now
[1:46] <pennTeller> sorry
[1:46] <pennTeller> ip a
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[1:47] <girlzgirls> npe, doesnt work\
[1:48] <leftyfb> girlzgirls: sudo ifconfig does work
[1:48] <leftyfb> ifconfig should work as well even without sudo
[1:48] <leftyfb> girlzgirls: define "doesn't work"
[1:50] <pennTeller> yeah ifconfig definitely works.. unless you mean your raspberry pi deosn't have an IP
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[1:52] <girlzgirls> here
[1:52] <girlzgirls> https://imgur.com/GpZwdXh
[1:52] <girlzgirls> u tell me what im supposed to look at
[1:53] <Tachyon`> oh, you don't have an IP
[1:53] <leftyfb> there's no ip
[1:53] <girlzgirls> *nosebleed*
[1:53] <girlzgirls> well y not??
[1:54] <Tachyon`> because you've not set one up, you're trying to use wifi I'm guessing
[1:54] <leftyfb> girlzgirls: because you're not connected to a network? Base wifi password? Bad configuration? Bad ethernet cable? Restrictions? Because it's Sunday?
[1:54] <girlzgirls> ive aleady set it up, y did it go away??
[1:54] <leftyfb> it didn't "go away"
[1:55] <leftyfb> this is where troubleshooting comes into play
[1:55] <pennTeller> unplug and plug your USB wifi dongle
[1:55] <leftyfb> look through your syslog
[1:55] <girlzgirls> it isnt fuctioning properl
[1:55] <girlzgirls> y
[1:55] <pennTeller> or restart your pi
[1:55] <girlzgirls> ok
[1:55] <leftyfb> girlzgirls: is it wifi? Did you set it up with the desktop gui or with wpa_supplicant configs?
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[1:56] <pennTeller> she/he definitely did not use wpa_supplicant from what I can infer
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[1:57] <leftyfb> pennTeller: how can you tell?
[1:57] <girlzgirls> that didnt help
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[1:57] <leftyfb> girlzgirls: is it wifi? Did you set it up with the desktop gui or with wpa_supplicant configs?
[1:57] <girlzgirls> unplugged wifi dongle and replugged and rebooted
[1:57] <girlzgirls> its wif
[1:57] <pennTeller> leftyfb, doesnt strike me as someone who jumps into manual network configs
[1:57] <girlzgirls> i
[1:58] <leftyfb> girlzgirls: Did you set it up with the desktop gui or with wpa_supplicant configs?
[1:58] <girlzgirls> there was a way to get the pi to tell u its ip but i can rememeber
[1:58] <leftyfb> pennTeller: you're probably correct but we try not to make assumptions
[1:58] <pennTeller> you dont have an IP
[1:58] <girlzgirls> desktop i guess
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[1:58] <pennTeller> leftyfb, you're right
[1:58] * ShorTie thinkz, Troll
[1:58] <leftyfb> girlzgirls: are you booting to the desktop gui now?
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[1:58] <girlzgirls> i can...
[1:58] <pennTeller> type startx
[1:59] <girlzgirls> let me log in on it
[1:59] <leftyfb> girlzgirls: no
[1:59] <leftyfb> girlzgirls: I didn't tell you to, I asked if you were
[1:59] <girlzgirls> no
[1:59] <leftyfb> girlzgirls: if you setup your wifi profile with the desktop gui and the desktop gui isn't running, then it's not going to connect to wifi
[2:00] <leftyfb> girlzgirls: if you want to connect to wifi without the desktop, you'll have to configure your wifi differently
[2:00] <leftyfb> girlzgirls: http://weworkweplay.com/play/automatically-connect-a-raspberry-pi-to-a-wifi-network/
[2:00] <girlzgirls> ive had this setup to where i just have to plug it up to power then i can log in with putty once it gets past loading sequence
[2:00] <leftyfb> girlzgirls: https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/configuration/wireless/wireless-cli.md
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[2:01] <leftyfb> girlzgirls: follow the last link I posted
[2:01] <girlzgirls> ok
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[2:01] <leftyfb> girlzgirls: yes, you had it setup, but somewhere down the line, you either reconfigured your pi not to boot to the desktop at boot or it didn't run for some reason
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[2:02] <pennTeller> type startx in the terminal, that will take you t o desktop.. do normal config like in the past
[2:03] <leftyfb> pennTeller: that won't work for what he's trying to accomplish
[2:03] <pennTeller> leftyfb, why?
[2:03] <leftyfb> pennTeller: he's trying to move this pi between networks (home/work) and login remotely. Having to type "startx" after logging into console when he has no keyboard/display won't work
[2:03] <girlzgirls> it blasted a bunch of text to the display
[2:04] <girlzgirls> i dont see a network name
[2:04] <leftyfb> girlzgirls: follow the last link I gave you and reboot
[2:04] <pennTeller> leftyfb, no but he is in front of the pi right now, and he wants the ip
[2:04] <pennTeller> so im telling him how he can get the IP right now
[2:04] <pennTeller> and let him deal with his remote connection project
[2:04] <leftyfb> pennTeller: you're trying to solve 1 tiny aspect of what he's trying to accomplish. Not the end goal.
[2:04] <girlzgirls> i rebooted and i typed sudo iwlist wlan0 scan and got all this text
[2:04] <leftyfb> girlzgirls: follow the last link I gave you and reboot
[2:04] <girlzgirls> i diiiiiiiiiiiiid
[2:05] <leftyfb> girlzgirls: you did not follow the instructions all the way through
[2:05] <leftyfb> girlzgirls: read it and follow the instructions
[2:05] <girlzgirls> ESSID:"testing". This is the name of the WiFi network.
[2:05] <girlzgirls> this is the first step after i type the command
[2:05] <pennTeller> leftyfb, well the original request was: "how do i get its ip again? i forgot" so I did that
[2:05] <girlzgirls> i dont see a netowkr name
[2:05] <leftyfb> girlzgirls: if it tells you to type something and read the output and do something with the output, coming here and saying "a bunch of text to the display" doesn't help you
[2:06] <leftyfb> girlzgirls: if you don't see an ESSID, then there's no wifi in range
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[2:06] <girlzgirls> theres a lot of text and i cant scroll thru it all to see what up top
[2:06] <ShorTie> try more
[2:07] <leftyfb> girlzgirls: you can use |more at the end of what you type to paginate the output
[2:07] <hmoney> reminder: use 2.4ghz not 5ghz
[2:07] <girlzgirls> ok
[2:07] <hmoney> you'd be surprised how many people forget that piece
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[2:07] <leftyfb> hmoney: he didn't forget it. He doesn't know it
[2:08] <leftyfb> hmoney: why 2.4 over 5?
[2:08] <hmoney> 1. rpi3 has built in 2.4 not 5ghz, 2. most dongles are also 2.4ghz only
[2:08] <hmoney> 3. range
[2:09] <leftyfb> hmoney: i'm pretty sure if the pi/dongle doesn't have a 5ghz radio, then it's not going to see those anyway
[2:09] <leftyfb> girlzgirls: sudo iwlist wlan0 scan |grep ESSID
[2:09] <leftyfb> girlzgirls: can I ask what exactly you plan on doing with your pi?
[2:10] <girlzgirls> how do i get the | in pi command line? when i use shift \ it comes up with a ~ or a #
[2:10] <girlzgirls> so i dont have to keep unplugging the keyboard from pi to pc
[2:10] <girlzgirls> i use putty so i dont need to do that
[2:10] <leftyfb> girlzgirls: sudo nano /etc/default/keyboard ..... change gb to us, reboot
[2:10] <girlzgirls> but now putty not working
[2:10] <girlzgirls> k gimme a sec
[2:12] <leftyfb> girlzgirls: i'm curious what exactly you plan on doing with the pi even when you accomplish logging into it remotely. You seem pretty adverse to learning how to do anything on it besides EXACTLY the one small immediate task you think you need done
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[2:12] <hmoney> truth bomb detected
[2:13] <girlzgirls> ok! did the |grep and see my wifi
[2:13] <girlzgirls> now what? :)
[2:13] <girlzgirls> i dunno why im even doing this, i didnt change anything :/
[2:14] <leftyfb> girlzgirls: you must have used raspi-config to change desktop/console boot
[2:15] <leftyfb> girlzgirls: i'm curious what exactly you plan on doing with the pi even when you accomplish logging into it remotely. You seem pretty adverse to learning how to do anything on it besides EXACTLY the one small immediate task you think you need done
[2:15] <girlzgirls> yeah i remember doing that
[2:15] <leftyfb> girlzgirls: "i didnt change anything"
[2:15] <leftyfb> false
[2:15] <leftyfb> girlzgirls: what exactly do you plan on doing with your pi once you get remote access to it?
[2:15] <girlzgirls> well i didnt think that opening the config would change the wifi settings
[2:15] <girlzgirls> all it was is the boot option
[2:16] <leftyfb> girlzgirls: you really really refuse to listen to what people tell you, suggest to you and try to teach you
[2:16] <girlzgirls> ive been using putty to log in and test video and gif files
[2:16] <leftyfb> test video and gif files?
[2:16] <leftyfb> what does that mean?
[2:17] <girlzgirls> yeah there was a cool project for it and adding a modified picture frame to set it up in the office
[2:17] <ShorTie> putty doesn't do video
[2:17] <girlzgirls> then it can play video and gif files for people that walk into the office
[2:17] <girlzgirls> just something neat to see
[2:18] <girlzgirls> i log into putty so i can do things in raspi command line
[2:18] <leftyfb> girlzgirls: ok, then you have a long way to go and need to take it a lot slower and try to LEARN what it is you're doing before you're going to accomplish a project like that
[2:18] <girlzgirls> without switching keyboard
[2:18] <girlzgirls> i already accomplished this and done what i needed to do. video was working and everything. now its not working
[2:19] <girlzgirls> and i only used config to change boot options
[2:19] <girlzgirls> so how does that change wifi settings?
[2:19] <leftyfb> girlzgirls: ok, I give up trying to actually teach you anything. Use raspi-config and put it back to desktop/autologin mode. Reboot and you should be back to whatever state it is you think you need to be in
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[2:23] <ShorTie> format C:
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[2:44] <DMackey> format c: /u /s /autotest
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[2:50] <drjam> lol
[2:51] <drjam> half followed this
[2:52] <drjam> from memory i used raspbian jessie, i had it logging into the user without waiting for password (auto login) and it was on my wifi LAN
[2:53] <drjam> my problem came froim wanting to create video content on the pi (in the TV room) from the comfort of my PC (which is in another room)
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[2:54] <drjam> turns out that, by remoting into the pi (i was using VNC and xterm or something) that the remote user pi, is different form the local logged in user (pi)
[2:54] <drjam> so hahahaha i couldnt rmeotely que up youtubes to show my dinner guests
[2:54] <drjam> ah well
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[2:54] <Travis> I fixed my screen issue, by dumping Ubuntu MATE for Raspbian.
[2:55] <Travis> I couldn't get Ubuntu to work with the fix.
[2:55] <drjam> annoying aye
[2:55] <drjam> how have you found raspbian then?
[2:56] <Travis> just ducky!
[2:56] <girlzgirls> i followed this and it worked
[2:56] <girlzgirls> https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruits-raspberry-pi-lesson-3-network-setup/setting-up-wifi-with-occidentalis
[2:56] <girlzgirls> sorry for any frustrations i caused anyone
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[3:13] <leftyfb> girlzgirls: those were the same exact instructions I posted to you several times over an hour ago that you completely ignored
[3:13] <leftyfb> girlzgirls: if you don't want help, don't ask for it
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[3:14] <drjam> leftyfb, maybe he didnt quite understand you? or was not drunk enuff yet
[3:14] <drjam> :)
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[3:26] <hmoney> drjam
[3:27] <hmoney> you get enough people asking for help and ignoring you, it definitely rubs you the wrong way
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[3:34] <drjam> yeah, i totally feel that too aye
[3:34] <drjam> done IT for more than 15 years, kind of becomes a thing
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[3:35] <drjam> sadly, im on the other side: ask for help and cant be helped
[3:35] <drjam> ;)
[3:35] <drjam> outside the box viewpoint tho: at least it keeps the world sort of even right
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[3:59] <LeFibonacci> hello
[4:00] <LeFibonacci> I have a question about an sd card that I was using for raspbian, please & thank you
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[4:08] <HrdwrBoB> LeFibonacci: don't ask to ask
[4:08] <HrdwrBoB> just ask your question
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[4:13] <DexDeadly> i got one. I am using WiringPi and im looking to setup crontab. I know user pi works fine but what im looking to figure out is can i use www-data for it.
[4:13] <LeFibonacci> a 64GB micro sd card was running raspbian. i went to format it to load with retropie and when I format it the sd card shows with no more than 62MB i believe
[4:14] <LeFibonacci> i checked partitions in easus and everything looked fine
[4:14] <LeFibonacci> but doesn't show up with 64GB in windows. then to make matters worse I deleted a partition or something, did something stupid like an idiot and the sd card doesn't show up at all in windows
[4:15] <DexDeadly> reason being im building web interface and was going to build something in php to save and edit cronjobs to turn different aockets on and off foe my reef tank.
[4:15] <DexDeadly> What additional steps do i need to do in order to achieve this
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[4:23] <mfa298> DexDeadly: I think wiringpi requires root priveleges
[4:23] <mfa298> DexDeadly: what's you experience with various programming languages (php/python/ruby/javascript)
[4:27] <leftyfb> LeFibonacci: if you're going to image the sd card, there's no need for format anything. Just use dd or windiskimager to image your sd card with the .img file you download
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[4:37] <DexDeadly> i do a lot of php and java know it decently well
[4:37] <DexDeadly> tbats what i was thinking to is wiringpi needs root
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[4:39] <mfa298> if you had experience with one of the others I was going to suggest looking at the various libraries for them as that might get you away from needing root
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[4:42] <echosystm> hey guys
[4:43] <echosystm> does anyone know of a way to create a custom debian image for a pi?
[4:43] <DexDeadly> Ive been tryimg to find a good way to handle scheduling.what i was hoping is a way ti get wiring pi to execute via www-data
[4:43] <echosystm> i'm very confident setting up chroots etc.
[4:43] <echosystm> but im not confident doing all that for a different architecture
[4:43] <echosystm> also, i dont understand how booting works on pi
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[4:45] <echosystm> omg pibakery
[4:45] <echosystm> thits looks like the future
[4:45] <echosystm> anyone here use it?
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[5:05] <echosystm> hmmm nevermind. too limited.
[5:05] <pennTeller> hi guys! does any body know a way to hide bootup text on the raspberry pi?
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[5:06] <echosystm> which text specifically pennTeller ?
[5:06] <echosystm> grub?
[5:06] <echosystm> also, what OS?
[5:06] <pennTeller> echosystm, I am running the latest raspbian
[5:07] <pennTeller> echosystm, with pixel
[5:07] <echosystm> hm
[5:07] <echosystm> i know how to hide it if grub is being used but i can't remember if pixel uses grub or not
[5:07] <echosystm> does /etc/default/grub exist?
[5:08] <pennTeller> echosystm, let me have a quick look
[5:08] <pennTeller> echosystm, nope, no grub
[5:10] <leftyfb> DexDeadly: if you need to run things on a schedule, why not just use cron?
[5:10] <echosystm> ok can't help you then sorry pennTeller
[5:10] <pennTeller> echosystm, thanks for trying man, cheers
[5:12] <echosystm> there seems to be a lot of results on googs pennTeller
[5:12] <echosystm> https://www.google.com.au/search?q=raspberry%20pi%20hide%20boot%20messages
[5:12] <echosystm> just go through all the forum posts until you figure it out, i guess
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[5:13] <pennTeller> echosystm, thanks I am checking it out now
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[5:48] <Elec_A> Hi, I'm getting the following error and I don't know what is wrong with it. : http://paste.opensuse.org/57404806
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[5:52] <leftyfb> Elec_A: what exactly are we looking at ?
[5:52] <Elec_A> leftyfb: it is a simple "Hello world" application.
[5:53] <Elec_A> I want to compile it with : clang++ -v -stdlib=libc++ text.cpp
[5:53] <leftyfb> Elec_A: shouldn't you be in #clang or the like then?
[5:54] <Elec_A> leftyfb: I'm using leftyfb, I thought someone may be have an idea.
[5:54] <Elec_A> raspbian*
[5:55] <Elec_A> may have* :
[5:55] <Elec_A> :D
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[6:44] <kieppie> mic check
[6:44] <kieppie> howdy
[6:45] <kieppie> anyone here play with or know motionEyeOS ?
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[6:58] <hmoney> i do
[6:59] <hmoney> protip: the pinoIR v2 camera is garbage (or im bad at using it)
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[7:34] <chezidek> 0% [Connecting to mirrordirector.raspbian.org (93.93.128.193)] < whyyyyyy
[7:35] <leftyfb> chezidek: why what?
[7:35] <chezidek> leftyfb: it just sits there forever. do i need to point it to a specific mirror or something?
[7:36] <leftyfb> chezidek: either network issues on your end or theirs. Either troubleshoot possible network issues on your end or possibly wait out a fix on their end
[7:36] <leftyfb> chezidek: I notice it being a bit slow for me as well so it might be on their end
[7:37] <leftyfb> actually, yeah, looks like possible issues on their end. Nothing we can do but wait it out
[7:37] <chezidek> leftyfb: alright, thanks. might specify a mirror temporarily ;)
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[9:03] <brainzap> good morning beautiful EU people
[9:03] <Ad0> lol
[9:03] <Ad0> hey
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[9:12] <Smeef> Just put the latest NOOBS on an SD card. My Pi has a composite display attached and it's not displaying the installation menu like the previous version of NOOBS did. How do I get NOOBS to recognize the composite display?
[9:13] <Habbie> Smeef, i bet editing config.txt can help, but that's the limit to my knowledge
[9:14] <Smeef> Habbie, the NOOBS install files don't include a config.txt file, at least it never did before, but I tried it already anyway, doesn't work
[9:15] <Habbie> oh :(
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[9:21] <mfa298> Smeef: from what I've seen others say I think you have to press some hotkey combination, but I have no idea what it is
[9:22] <Smeef> mfa298, thanks, that actually sounds familiar, I haven't used composite in a while, I'll look into it
[9:26] <Smeef> Got it! I had to press a number key that corresponds to a display mode
[9:26] <Smeef> 3 worked
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[10:19] <avrdude> How can I run realtime applications on a Raspberry Pi? Is it possible?
[10:20] <Lartza> Like what?
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[10:20] <Drzacek> avrdude, it depends. Hard real time, not without hacked kernel
[10:20] <avrdude> like sending and receiving a byte through SPI, at exactly 100 kHz
[10:22] <avrdude> and i don't mean the SPI clock being 100 kHz, i mean i need to send and receive a byte at a rate of precisely 100 kHz
[10:22] <Drzacek> any reason for that?
[10:22] <avrdude> yes
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[10:26] <Drzacek> I'm no rpi/spi specialist, but running real-time apps come down to proper priority settings. First you need linux kernel with preempt rt patch (officially available from kernel.org) enabled, then your application should get the right priority (0 being the lowest, 99 highest - you usually set the priority for given task experimentally; too low and it won't keep the real-time limits, too high and everything else
[10:26] <Drzacek> will stop working
[10:26] <Drzacek> debian offers rt linux image precompiled, raspbian doesnt, so you'll have to compile your own kernel (not as hard as it seems)
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[10:27] <Lartza> Drzacek, Except last person I saw trying that didn't do so good...
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[10:27] <Drzacek> but since this is SPI we are talking about, maybe there is a way to achieve what you need without that, simply by setting the right parameters for SPI interface
[10:28] <Drzacek> Lartza, hey, I screwed my first linux system with one command - there is always a way to break something
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[10:29] <Drzacek> "What? What do you mean I don't have access rights? I AM the administrator!" *sudo chown drzacek /*
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[10:31] <Smeef> I'm going to have to install a fan in this Altoids tin, the Pi Zero is burning hot AF
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[10:32] <Lartza> Drzacek, The rt patches are only available for certain kernel releases though and need to be rebased for the kernel AND the rpi patches, and even then I think rt screws up Pi ethernet for instance
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[10:34] <Drzacek> Lartza, since I never tried rt patch on rpi I can't tell, the rpi patches shouldn't be a problem since preempt-rt patches different parts of kernel. But ethernet? Why would it affect it?
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[10:36] <Lartza> I don't remember
[10:36] <Lartza> Oh actually it might have been a user mistake now that I start to remember it a bit more
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[10:40] <Hanonim> Hi folks !
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[10:57] <Drzacek> damn I'm smart
[10:58] <Drzacek> so if you want to get new ip from router, don't do "ifdown" + "ifup" when on ssh
[10:59] <Lartza> :D
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[10:59] <Lartza> That wouldn't most likely work anyways
[11:00] <Drzacek> only if I could ssh to a robot and then instruct that robot to type it manually on the target machine
[11:01] <Drzacek> well, at least I could stop playing with rpi and go back to work
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[11:10] <Gadgetoid_Pim> 'sup potatoes!
[11:10] <Gadgetoid_Pim> That's my new collective, gender-inclusive noun for human beans!
[11:11] <HrdwrBoB> close enough
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[11:11] <Gadgetoid_Pim> I couldn't shake the connotations of "folks"
[11:12] <Gadgetoid_Pim> I guess "Me Hearties" could work
[11:13] * Gadgetoid_Pim prods shiftplusone :D
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[11:17] <Ad0> hey
[11:18] <Ad0> is there a 511 byte transfer limit on SPI?
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[11:18] <Ad0> per call
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[11:19] <Ad0> http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/include/uapi/linux/spi/spidev.h#L113
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[11:20] <shiftplusone> Gadgetoid_Pim: 'morning
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[11:21] <Gadgetoid_Pim> shiftplusone, goooood mornin'! how's ting?
[11:21] * Gadgetoid_Pim also pokes ali1234
[11:22] <shiftplusone> All good on this end for now.
[11:22] <shiftplusone> As far as I know, nothing is on fire.
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[11:23] <Gadgetoid_Pim> That's a good start!
[11:23] <gordonDrogon> Ad0, the default limit is 4096 bytes. you can increase in by changing something in /boot/cmdline.txt
[11:23] <Gadgetoid_Pim> I could use a fire, though, my hands are freezing!
[11:23] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Morning gordonDrogon!
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[11:24] <BurtyB> mornings
[11:24] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Had no idea there was an SPI limit- I always run into the i2c one
[11:24] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_Pim, have mine: http://unicorn.drogon.net/officeFire.jpg
[11:24] <Gadgetoid_Pim> That's glorious, gordonDrogon, takes me back to my countryside childhood
[11:24] * shiftplusone considers a controlled office fire.
[11:24] <gordonDrogon> but not this: http://unicorn.drogon.net/bbcSmoke.jpg
[11:25] <Gadgetoid_Pim> http://www.ruralretreats.co.uk/england/norfolk-holiday-cottages/pear-tree-cottage_no016 :D
[11:25] <Gadgetoid_Pim> I still remember, as a wee child, holding a sledgehammer and demolishing part of the old brick sheds that made way for that extension
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[11:26] <gordonDrogon> we have a bigger woodburner in the livingroom.
[11:28] <avrdude> So i'm reading about installing a patched kernel to achieve real-time capabilities.. "With this patched kernel, I could achieve bounded latency well below 200 microseconds on a fully loaded 700 MHz Raspberry Pi Model B (see results below). This should be safe for tasks with a cycle time of 1 ms."
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[11:28] <avrdude> how is this at all impressive??
[11:29] <gordonDrogon> of-course when I was in the Western Gaats, we got a man in to light our fire in the evening... http://unicorn.drogon.net/IMG_20170101_211657.jpg
[11:30] <gordonDrogon> avrdude, the Pi is not a microcontroler.
[11:30] <gordonDrogon> avrdude, you might want to look at the pigpio library too.
[11:30] <gordonDrogon> and you're mistaking real time with fast.
[11:31] <avrdude> i've used your library, it's nice, but i don't think it will help in this case :(
[11:31] <gordonDrogon> pigpio is not my library.
[11:31] <avrdude> oh right. sorry
[11:31] <gordonDrogon> I'm the wiringPi guy ...
[11:32] <avrdude> i am trying to schedule a task that will send/receive a byte on SPI, at a rate of 112 kHz. Is this feasible on the pi3?
[11:32] <avrdude> well, two bytes in fact
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[11:33] <gordonDrogon> I'd suggest the Pi (neither any other Linux device) is the right tool for that job, however the pigpio library might be the tool for it.
[11:33] <gordonDrogon> or maybe you can write a kernel module for it.
[11:34] <avrdude> i have a PIC that is doing the job very well at the moment, the problem is storing the data.. its not able to write the data to my SD card fast enough
[11:35] <clever> avrdude: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/12772 or re-create it via an RPI
[11:36] <avrdude> the PI has even enough RAM to store the data while logging, so if i can just get it to read my ADC fast enough..
[11:36] <clever> avrdude: ah, is there any kind of processing your doing to reduce the volume of data?
[11:37] <gordonDrogon> avrdude, I'm still suggesting you look at the pigpio library.
[11:37] <ali1234> morning
[11:38] <ali1234> oh SPI again
[11:38] <ali1234> i told you, use iio
[11:38] <ali1234> it's designed for continuous streaming and runs entirely in kernel
[11:38] <clever> iio?
[11:38] <ali1234> yes, iio
[11:38] <clever> link?
[11:39] <ali1234> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS9NuRBzN5Y
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[11:39] <clever> ah
[11:40] <avrdude> clever: that thing has only a 10bit ADC and can only sample at 1500 Hz.. I need to sample at 112000 Hz with atleast 16bit precision
[11:40] <clever> avrdude: i'm thinking, let the PIC do all of the sampling, and just spit out a constant serial stream
[11:40] <clever> avrdude: then let the loggomatic record that to an SD card
[11:41] <avrdude> in what world does that make any sense?
[11:42] <ali1234> it doesn't
[11:42] <clever> havent heard the entire problem yet
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[11:43] <ali1234> 16 bit, 100ksps
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[11:43] <avrdude> 112 ksps*
[11:43] <ali1234> what ADC are you using?
[11:44] <avrdude> one from max1168
[11:44] <avrdude> i mean, max1168
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[11:44] <clever> avrdude: oh, what if you modified the firmware for the logomatic, to be able to use the max1168 over its gpio?
[11:45] <clever> it may have a more powerfull cpu then the pic
[11:45] <clever> 60mhz, 16bit arm7
[11:46] <clever> should be better at realtime stuff then the pi, and still a lot faster then a pic
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[11:47] <ali1234> what do you consider an acceptable level of sample jitter?
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[12:11] <Paddy_NI> Hey gordonDrogon, I tried to contact you yesterday but was unsure whether or not you got my message.
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[12:12] <Paddy_NI> gordonDrogon: I was trying to apologise to you, I hope that I caused no offense and I did very much appreciate your help
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[12:23] <gordonDrogon> no wories.
[12:24] <Paddy_NI> gordonDrogon: Thank you :-)
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[12:31] <Ad0> gordonDrogon: it's worse
[12:31] <Ad0> the number of transactions is 511
[12:31] <Ad0> so if you send 1 byte per transaction you're practically limited to 511 bytes lol
[12:32] <Ad0> as fast as I crossed > 511 transactions I got 0s back
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[12:33] <Ad0> but now I have code to send it in 511 batches
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[12:33] <Ad0> lol
[12:33] <Ad0> so if you want to implement multi transaction in wiringpi, keep that in mind!
[12:33] <Ad0> int batches = numberOfSamples / MAX_SPI_TRANSACTIONS;
[12:33] <Ad0> int leftover = numberOfSamples % MAX_SPI_TRANSACTIONS;
[12:34] <Paddy_NI> I really should make a conserted effort to learn bash scripting
[12:34] <Paddy_NI> It would make my me so much more productive
[12:35] <Ad0> hehe
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[12:40] <Paddy_NI> I have not seen any actual "security" cases available for the Pi's. One with a proper lock and possibly a gps radio would be awesome
[12:40] <Paddy_NI> If it gets stolen
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[12:44] <oq> Paddy_NI: like a kessington lock?
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[12:45] <Paddy_NI> That and something to prevent someone gaining access without great effort (to the sdcard)
[12:45] <Paddy_NI> Perhaps a little battery in there too, for powering the gps when it is not on a power supply
[12:47] <gordonDrogon> Ad0, I probably won't implement it - more and more I'm describing wiringPi as a pin based library.
[12:48] <gordonDrogon> Paddy_NI, the down-side of a security case is that it will cost more than a Pi )-:
[12:48] <Paddy_NI> gordonDrogon: Yeah absolutely
[12:48] <Paddy_NI> It's more to protect the data
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[12:49] <Paddy_NI> I guess encryption could be used when installing an OS but I would assume that would carry quite a bit of overhead
[12:49] <Paddy_NI> Especially when power is limited
[12:49] <gordonDrogon> encryption? public/private key -so stored data is encrypted, but can only de decrypted elsewhere..
[12:50] <Paddy_NI> gordonDrogon: Yeah I still wonder about performance loss
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[12:50] <Paddy_NI> But I guess that it's a more reasonable solution
[12:51] <Paddy_NI> I am an idiot
[12:51] <Paddy_NI> I jammed a nano sim inside a Nokia N8
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[12:56] <gordonDrogon> does it need a carrier?
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[12:56] <avrdude> gordonDrogon: "This program shows how to read multiple MCP3008 and MCP3202 ADC simultaneously with accurately timed intervals. One channel of each ADC may be sampled at up to 25k samples per second."
[12:56] <avrdude> i dont think the pigpio will cut it :/
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[12:57] <Paddy_NI> gordonDrogon: Unfortunately yes. I shall take it apart later it's actually quite user serviceable.
[12:57] <Paddy_NI> One of the main reasons I bought an LG G5. Very easy to repair.
[12:59] <Paddy_NI> The N8 will do my wife as a work phone until I get a few other handsets that I have unlocked from the networks
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[13:04] <avrdude> from what i'm starting to understand, it's not possible to use a raspberry to do what i want
[13:07] <HrdwrBoB> if you want to do realtime stuff
[13:08] <HrdwrBoB> rbpi is not the right platform
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[13:08] <HrdwrBoB> beaglebone black has 2x PRU 32-bit microcontrollers
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[13:27] <ali1234> throwing a microcntroller at the problem is not the right solution either
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[13:46] <pwillard> avrdude: explain why you believe that
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[13:46] <pwillard> realtime is overrated
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[13:47] <avrdude> pwillard: from what i'm reading, there seems to be a constant delay between each spi transfer, which is too long for my application
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[13:47] <avrdude> and no, realtime is not overrated
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[13:48] <ali1234> because you insist on using slow, high level, userspace libraries
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[13:50] <EDinNY> odd. My rp does not seem to be able to get google.com or gmail
[13:51] <EDinNY> This site can’t provide a secure connection
[13:51] <EDinNY> gmail.com sent an invalid response.
[13:51] <EDinNY> ERR_SSL_PROTOCOL_ERROR
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[13:52] <EDinNY> Anyone else?
[13:53] <Habbie> EDinNY, do other sites work?
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[13:53] <EDinNY> yes, and I can get google fine on my laptop
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[13:53] <Habbie> what browser on the pi? any weird settings in it?
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[13:55] <EDinNY> Pretty vanilla. The Chromium that comes with it, I imagine
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[13:56] <EDinNY> Here is a screenshot https://postimg.org/image/ngpf5v5yr/
[13:56] <binaryhermit> I think that there are some non-vanilla things in the chromium in raspbian
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[13:56] <binaryhermit> but mostly to interface with the hardware video decoder
[13:56] <EDinNY> duck duck still work
[13:57] <EDinNY> duck duck still works
[13:57] <EDinNY> Youtube and drive are dead, too. anyone else have this problem?
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[13:58] <pwillard> This is a certificate issue
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[13:59] <binaryhermit> almost wonder if you're getting MITM;d
[13:59] <binaryhermit> err, s/;/'
[13:59] <EDinNY> Yes, and when I updated, it updated certs, too, pwillard
[13:59] <EDinNY> It does not even give me the option to ignore the warning.
[13:59] <EDinNY> Can someone else apt-get upgrade and let me know?
[14:00] <pwillard> What are your security settings in the browser?
[14:00] <EDinNY> whatever it came with
[14:01] <EDinNY> do you want me to look, pwillard?
[14:02] <pwillard> actually... no, I don't have available time to help...
[14:03] <EDinNY> ok. I can unblock it by pressing the red shield in the upper right of the browser
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[14:03] <mfa298> EDinNY: check the date and time on the Pi (date particularly)
[14:04] <mfa298> you might also be able to find out in chrome what bit of the certificate it doesn't like, although chrome seems to make that harder each time I try
[14:05] <EDinNY> Mon 27 Feb 13:04:51 UTC 2017
[14:06] <EDinNY> Looks like I didn't even set localization
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[14:11] <EDinNY> Has anyone else upgraded, today? Can you get to google?
[14:12] <EDinNY> ...or gmail, or drive, or youtube?
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[14:19] <EDinNY> The unblock button does not seem to work, either.
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[14:22] <EDinNY> Facebook cert works
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[14:25] <Ad0> gordonDrogon: :-|
[14:25] <Ad0> okay then
[14:27] <gordonDrogon> Ad0, hi. sorry - been making pastry and chopping veg )-:
[14:27] <gordonDrogon> hate chopping onions.
[14:31] <Ad0> hehe
[14:31] <Ad0> I found out that SPI is not good at all on the PI
[14:32] <Ad0> no decent SPI shoyld churn CPU transferring a few kb of data
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[15:05] <gordonDrogon> Ad0, the arguments to & for this ater interesting - one against is that really, we ought to not be doing this at userlevel - it ought to be in the kernel...
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[15:05] <gordonDrogon> and saying that, the designers of the Pi's SoC never ever envisaged it would be used like it is today!
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[15:06] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Educational and hobbyist board doesn't do industrial SPI? Stop the press :P
[15:06] <gordonDrogon> there is a newer DMA drive which I was under the impression was in the kernel these days, although I've no idea if it's better or worse.
[15:06] <Gadgetoid_Pim> That said, with the compute module it's hard to hide behind the "It's for kids" defence
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[15:07] <gordonDrogon> I think you just have to know the limitations - it's not a microcontroller..
[15:07] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Quite! It's not the one part to fit all requirements. Nothing really is.
[15:07] * ShorTie snickers, "Stop the press"
[15:08] <Lartza> gordonDrogon doesn't know how the press works nowadays. It never stops, just constant stream of "news" (read: embeding twitter posts to articles) ;)
[15:09] * ShorTie thinkz, maybe he can design his own that is better
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[15:13] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Haaa, if only we *could* stop the press
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[15:28] <oq> Gadgetoid_Pim: sounds like a donald trump wet dream
[15:30] <Gadgetoid_Pim> True. That.
[15:31] <Gadgetoid_Pim> If only we could incentivise truthful and diligently checked reporting versus just coughing up complaints about YouTube bloggers whilst simultaneously begging for money
[15:31] <redrabbit> its all about click whore-ing more dummies in
[15:32] <redrabbit> if people were not consuming the stuff it would not exist
[15:33] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Ooh, Talk Python - with Guido van Rossum and terrible rap about being a developer- https://talkpython.fm/episodes/show/100/python-past-present-and-future-with-guido-van-rossum
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[15:42] <ali1234> what is "industrial" spi?
[15:43] <Gadgetoid_Pim> It's SPI, only more concentrated!
[15:44] <jn__> not to be confused with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_espionage ;)
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[15:45] <ali1234> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/q_mEP9gmNIo/hqdefault.jpg
[15:47] <Gadgetoid_Pim> There's probably a better term than "industrial" but there's definitely a point at which your desire to use SPI transcends from minor hobbyist tinkering, to deployed hardware
[15:47] <ali1234> wat
[15:48] <redrabbit> what's spi
[15:48] <jn__> SPI
[15:48] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Special Popcorn Incubator
[15:49] <jn__> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_Peripheral_Interface_Bus
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[15:49] <ali1234> what makes you say the raspberry pi cannot do industrial SPI?
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[15:50] <Gadgetoid_Pim> I'm saying there are things for which the Pi is ill suited, at least if you don't want to spend your time paring back to the basics to accomplish it
[15:50] <ali1234> but the raspberry pi is very well suited to doing SPI, what with having SPI...
[15:52] <sir_galahad_ad> :P
[15:53] <ali1234> afaik the SPI interface doesn't even have any silicon bugs
[15:54] <Baikonur> at least in the past, rpi has done weird and funky things with the SPI
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[15:57] <gordonDrogon> part of the issue is Linux - waaay back in the unix days doing stuff like this from userland was never envisaged.
[15:57] <ali1234> well there is a simple solution for that
[15:57] <ali1234> don't do it from userland
[15:57] <ali1234> that's why kernel modules exist
[15:57] <gordonDrogon> although people started to do "stuff" with serial ports though.
[15:57] <gordonDrogon> ali1234, sure - but for the average user...
[15:58] <Gadgetoid_Pim> For the average engineer looking to put together a hardware solution or prototype under time constraints and not write kernel modules or their own baremetal rtos :D
[15:58] <Gadgetoid_Pim> It's not always a question of what's *possible*, but what's *feasible*
[15:59] <ali1234> this is why nothing works properly, you realise that right?
[15:59] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Of course, but nobody has the budget to pay for "works properly", so they just go for "works" :D
[16:01] <leftyfb> so you complain about the pi not providing the necessary capabilities for a proper "industrial" environment, yet also say engineers don't have time to make what "works properly" and just go for "works"
[16:02] <ali1234> this ^
[16:02] <ali1234> the funny thing is that it's not even a matter of budget
[16:02] <Gadgetoid_Pim> I'm not complaining, since I couldn't give a monkeys about industrial applications
[16:02] <ali1234> how many people use a raspberry pi to blink LEDs?
[16:03] <ali1234> when they could use a chip that costs less than $1
[16:03] <ali1234> the reason isn't budget or time constraints
[16:03] <ali1234> it's also not because it's easier
[16:03] <ali1234> because it isn't
[16:03] <Gadgetoid_Pim> People will *try* to use a Pi for X because it appears to present a low barrier to entry, but tends to trip you up later
[16:04] <brainzap> because it is super easy, also you can use javascript
[16:04] <ali1234> exactly
[16:05] <ali1234> and it ends up costing more, because they were too lazy to put in a tiny bit of effort up front
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[16:05] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Possibly, but they pick it in the first place because of budget/time constraints :D
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[16:05] <ali1234> no, they pick based on what they already know instead of doing research
[16:06] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Because of budget/time constraints
[16:06] <ali1234> that's like saying you didn't pay your tax because of budget/time constraints
[16:06] <ali1234> nobody cares, we just laugh at you :)
[16:07] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Its exactly what happens though, since the person setting the budget/time constraints is an idiot who's just trying to make you build the thing that marketing invented one morning in a client meeting
[16:07] <ali1234> "i only know one way of doing this, therefore it must be the best way"
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[16:08] <ali1234> also happens in software development all the time
[16:08] <Gadgetoid_Pim> And it's your job to now make that imaginary product work because marketing promised it to a client, and the cost has already been agreed up front so... yeah.. have fun!
[16:09] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Going with what you know- as an engineer- is a lot less friction than saying "Oh by the way I need the budget for an RTOS engineer, and I also need 6 weeks to learn embedded C"
[16:10] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Although this is all, of course, a sweeping generalization- I'd suspect half the products hacked together with a Pi at their heart simply wouldn't exist otherwise, since the R&D cost would be untenable
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[16:11] <ali1234> you're hired to build an embedded device but you don't know anything about embedded devices, do you:
[16:11] <ali1234> a) try to learn about embedded devices
[16:11] <ali1234> b) hire someone who does
[16:11] <shiftplusone> What products are these? I am not aware of many commercial products based on the pi and the ones that I do know of have been done fairly well.
[16:11] <ali1234> c) quit your job
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[16:11] <ali1234> d) just build it out of a raspberry pi and hope nobody notices that it doesn't work properly
[16:12] <Gadgetoid_Pim> d), and then c), of course!
[16:12] <ali1234> shiftplusone: the kind of things people build and then show off on reddit
[16:12] <ali1234> and then someone says "where can i buy one"
[16:12] <shiftplusone> From private conversations with people using the pi in industrial settings (and there is no shortage of these), I haven't heard any major complaints.
[16:12] <ali1234> and they say "er... i have no idea how to commercialize this, it's completely impractical and took me far too long to build"
[16:13] <Gadgetoid_Pim> shiftplusone, you're talking about people who know what they're doing though, and clearly have good support ;P
[16:13] <ali1234> shiftplusone: right, because thos epeople know what they are doing
[16:13] <shiftplusone> oh... so not real products, but things people hack together for fun... yeah, that applies to everything
[16:13] <ali1234> yes
[16:13] <ali1234> my point is... you can't judge what a raspberry pi is good at or not good at based on the way it is used by people who don't really know what they are doing
[16:13] <shiftplusone> I am bit in in two minds about 'makers' because of that.
[16:14] <Gadgetoid_Pim> I think there's a category of hacks in the middle- produced for a legitimate business reason, by someone who knows enough to paint themselves into a corner
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[16:16] <shiftplusone> Does that happen often though?
[16:17] <ali1234> its hard to say because most of them flop
[16:17] <ali1234> so you never heard about them
[16:18] <shiftplusone> Maybe I am being naive, but I'd think that people would approach a personal project and a commercial product quite differently.
[16:18] <ali1234> i wouldn't
[16:18] <ali1234> and a lot of people wouldn't
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[16:20] <ali1234> if anything i would put more effort into doing a personal project right
[16:20] <shiftplusone> Hmm, I don't see a problem with taking shortcuts in a personal project.
[16:20] <Gadgetoid_Pim> From experience as a professional developer- HAAHAHAHA
[16:20] <ali1234> because i want it to actually work
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[16:20] <Gadgetoid_Pim> I'm pretty sure I approach my personal projects with much more thought, care, pre-meditation and a better idea of what I want to accomplish than any professional product I've worked on
[16:21] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Because of time and budget contraints.
[16:21] <shiftplusone> okay, I stand corrected
[16:21] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Granted, I probably just worked in some terrible places! And I'm probably an awful example because I'm a rampaging cowboy of doom and you should really flee before my words make your Pi catch fire...
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[16:23] <ali1234> the maker community lacks craftsmanship in my opinion
[16:23] <ali1234> in fact they seem to take pride in making stuff look as rough as possible
[16:24] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Hahaha
[16:24] <Gadgetoid_Pim> I think that's a sweeping generalization
[16:24] <ali1234> they want everyone to know they built it themself
[16:24] <ali1234> because really they are all hipsters
[16:24] <Gadgetoid_Pim> And I think it's because making something look professionally finished is hard/expensive
[16:24] <ali1234> hows that for generalisation :)
[16:24] <brainzap> what is the point of this discussion again
[16:24] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Actually the hipsters are some of the best at finishing stuff nicely
[16:24] <Gadgetoid_Pim> I have no idea...
[16:25] <Gadgetoid_Pim> We're just discussing?
[16:25] <ali1234> we got nothing else to talk about
[16:25] <shiftplusone> hipsters tend to make things look nice on the outside
[16:25] <Gadgetoid_Pim> What's the point of anything really? Why are we here?
[16:25] <ali1234> who said that?
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[16:25] <Gadgetoid_Pim> http://circuitbeard.co.uk/blog/rombus-ct-a-raspberry-pi-powered-mini-cocktail-arcade
[16:25] <Gadgetoid_Pim> http://blog.pimoroni.com/the-pimoroni-arrr600-radio/
[16:25] <brainzap> when I come home tonight, I will unpack my asus tinker and then post a tutorial on how to blink LED online
[16:26] <ali1234> yeah that's nice
[16:26] <Gadgetoid_Pim> brainzap, you can also warm your coffee on it while it blinks the LED :D
[16:26] <ali1234> the arcade cabinet i mean
[16:26] <waveform> Gadgetoid_Pim, heh "rampaging cowboy of doom" reminds me of something I heard when I was working at a certain large corporate
[16:26] <ali1234> i'm not sold on the idea of putting a raspberry pi in an old radio
[16:26] <Gadgetoid_Pim> waveform, they must have had to deal with my code
[16:26] <waveform> an old and wizened dev walked into our corner of the building one day and just said "I can practically hear the spurs clinking in here"
[16:27] <Gadgetoid_Pim> waveform, to be fair, I was a young developer with no formal programming education just trying to fail my way upwards and support a family
[16:27] <waveform> sounds familiar :)
[16:27] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Fortunately now all my code is compartmentalised into small packages of Python with very limited damage radii
[16:27] <waveform> there's certainly something to be said for the Unix philosophy of "do one thing and do it well"
[16:28] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Pfft, to hell with that. I've done some things that I don't even know how to do anymore
[16:28] <waveform> works very nicely right up to the point that people say "can you stick a GUI on that?"
[16:29] <waveform> oh, I've forgotten fairly large chunks of several programming languages (bizarrely I used to know the BCD parts of x86 assembly really well, because they were necessary for dealing with lots of database numerical stuff!)
[16:30] <Gadgetoid_Pim> I think I've written complete applications in both XSLT and SQL, neither of which I could, or would, ever re-create
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[16:30] <waveform> SQL I could still do - XSLT ... <shudder> ... great tech but quite mind-twisting
[16:31] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Yeah in the case of XSLT I think the knowledge was either forcefully ejected from my brain for my own survival, or destroyed with alcohol
[16:31] <waveform> hehe - wise man. Incidentally, are there any recommendations for a reliable motor driver board with a separate power supply?
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[16:32] <waveform> got a robotics workshop to help out with next week and we had no end of issues with the camjam #3 kit motor driver boards dying on us last time
[16:32] <waveform> (had 3 go in a single day)
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[16:33] <waveform> explorer hat's unfortunately not an option as the attendees will be using pi3s and running two motors as well on those tends to give anything less than perfect power supplies a bit of a tough time
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[16:33] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Yikes
[16:34] <Gadgetoid_Pim> A lot to be said for a good ol' naked H-bridge
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[16:35] <ali1234> the adafruit motor hat is really good
[16:35] <ali1234> expensive though
[16:35] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Would be nice to make motors with a DRV8830 backplane and address select
[16:35] <waveform> hmm, I'm currently thinking motozeros are probably the way to go - a bit cheaper, likely to reach me in time for me to solder 'em up before monday
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[16:36] <ali1234> that does look good
[16:37] <waveform> naked h-bridge is tempting but I have a feeling it'll result in a *lot* of wiring debugging on the day, which I'm not too keen on
[16:37] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Or https://ryanteck.uk/add-ons/6-ryanteck-rpi-motor-controller-board-0635648607160.html
[16:37] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Which is a step up from a naked h-bridge
[16:37] <ali1234> i suspect that is a naked h bridge
[16:37] <ali1234> (or four)
[16:38] <Gadgetoid_Pim> And is pre-soldered
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[16:38] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Then BYO AA battery pack for motors, and USB whatever for ze Pi
[16:39] <waveform> nice - and that's got some easy pass-thrus for other GPIOs too (always handy if the kids want to add stuff)
[16:39] <ali1234> the adafruit one has a lot of pass through plus some prototyping area
[16:40] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Cheap, too, and Ryan might be open to bulk pricing
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[16:41] <waveform> looks like it - "quantity 5 discount 3 quid" - yeah, I think that's a good bet. And he's UK based so it's likely to arrive pretty quickly (the adafruit one, nice though it is, is unlikely to get here before Monday :)
[16:41] <ali1234> unless you buy it from pimoroni...
[16:41] <ali1234> they only have 8 tho
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[16:42] <waveform> yeah, 5'd be enough but I think it's probably overkill for the workshop. It's only a day thing after all
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[16:48] <waveform> right ... all ordered, now back to the backlog of picamera e-mail ...
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[16:49] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Joooy!
[16:49] <waveform> I've got it down to two months I think 8-/
[16:50] <Gadgetoid_Pim> I get surprisingly little email
[16:50] <Gadgetoid_Pim> I think people just look at my code and back away from their computers slowly
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[16:51] <waveform> I should probably just ditch it and get back to gpiozero, but I think there's one or two "might earn some money from it" ones in there
[16:51] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Aye, those are worth chasing!
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[16:51] <waveform> your code's fine ... your shell-scripts on the other hand ;)
[16:52] <waveform> (I jest - the generic install one's decent as those things go, but it's great to see some real packages now)
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[16:56] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Haha, the shell scripts are a billion commits away from being anything to do with me now :P
[16:56] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Also, Adafruit cloned them so... they must be good :D
[16:57] <waveform> yeah, they were wonderfully generic
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[17:11] <ali1234> shiftplusone: the raspbian lite torrent download on raspberrypi.org is 404
[17:12] <ali1234> there seems to be confusion over the date of the image
[17:13] <shiftplusone> ali1234: try refreshing it a few times. There is a new image being uploaded and during that time things are in an iffy state.
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[17:14] <ali1234> hmm oh yeah
[17:14] <ali1234> you must be updating the symlink before uploading the actual file :)
[17:14] <ali1234> i'll cancel this download and wait for the new one i guess
[17:15] <ali1234> wait a minute, i'm already downloading the new one
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[17:16] <ali1234> Gadgetoid_Pim: how am i supposed to arrange the cables on this pan tilt hat so that they dont snag all the time?
[17:18] <Gadgetoid_Pim> ali1234, what are they snagging on?
[17:19] <ali1234> each other mostly
[17:19] <ali1234> the camera cable snags on the servo cables
[17:21] <IT_Sean> There is always time for lubricant.
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[17:21] <ali1234> not a bad idea
[17:21] <ali1234> also do you have a solution for attaching it when using a coupe case?
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[20:29] <ali1234> Gadgetoid: why does pantilt library only allow int degrees?
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[20:30] <ali1234> and can i reflash the PIC firmware?
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[20:42] <slavking> hi
[20:42] <slavking> I need halp
[20:42] <slavking> regarding transmission and systemd
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[20:43] <slavking> it won't work on startup
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[20:44] <slavking> works only if I run the command line osmc:/$ transmission-daemon
[20:44] <slavking> but if I try to run it from /etc/rc.local or as a transmission-daemon.service it fails
[20:46] <slavking> also how do I log the message?
[20:46] <slavking> at boot?
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[20:47] <BurtyB> I start mine using "@reboot /bin/transmission-daemon" in cron for the user
[20:48] <BurtyB> (prob different path tho as that's not on a pi)
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[20:50] <slavking> how do I log the pi boot message
[20:50] <slavking> Failed to start Transmission BitTorrent Daemon.
[20:50] <slavking> damnit
[20:50] <slavking> again
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[20:53] <EDinNY> Does anyone use google, gmail, or any google service from their Pi? My browser gets the error "ERR_SSL_PROTOCOL_ERROR" from every google site.
[20:53] <slavking> I don't sadly
[20:54] <EDinNY> Can you try to go to google.com in your browser?
[20:54] <slavking> nah I use osmc
[20:55] <slavking> maybe if I tried
[20:55] <EDinNY> I used the default Noob Raspian install, then upgraded. I know that certs were upgraded.
[20:55] <slavking> lynx
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[20:56] <EDinNY> I would appreciate it if you would try. I just had the same result on 2 installs
[20:56] <EDinNY> I figure Lynx will have not problem
[20:56] <EDinNY> but you can try
[20:56] <slavking> hold on
[20:56] <slavking> OSMC is based on raspbian
[20:56] <slavking> but it has no browser
[20:57] <slavking> sudo apt-get install lynxd
[20:57] <EDinNY> I am about to try lynx...instlling now
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[20:58] <slavking> must be some cert error
[20:58] <slavking> i don't understand systemd
[20:59] <EDinNY> yes, but I want to know if it is my problem. I can ping it, and it works from my other linux boxes
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[20:59] <EDinNY> qqqq
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[21:07] <slavking> k
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[21:07] <EDinNY> I want to verify an issue. Can someone try to connect on their Raspbian browser to google.com and tell me if it works?
[21:07] <slavking> did lynx worj
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[21:08] <EDinNY> Lynx works fine
[21:08] <slavking> it works fine
[21:08] <slavking> but I have OSMC
[21:08] <slavking> it has no browser
[21:09] <EDinNY> I understand. Perhaps someone else who is listening has one?
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[21:16] <slavking> ree
[21:16] <Ad0> so is it really normal for the SPI to take 44% of one core
[21:16] <Ad0> with constant communication
[21:16] <slavking> rpi 2 or 3?
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[21:16] <Ad0> 3
[21:16] <ali1234> only if you program it badly
[21:16] <slavking> eh its got 4 cores
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[21:17] <slavking> i have one
[21:17] <Ad0> it does
[21:17] <EDinNY> Ad0: If you have an upgraded RP3 with Raspbian, can you try to get to google.com with your browser?
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[21:17] <slavking> yeah help the man out
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[21:17] <Ad0> how would that help me?
[21:18] <slavking> wow rude
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[21:18] <Ad0> anyone else then
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[21:18] <slavking> maybe you could post your SPI code
[21:18] <slavking> or library
[21:18] <slavking> someone could help you
[21:18] <Ad0> sure
[21:18] <slavking> do some performance metrics
[21:20] <girlzgirls> is there a way to run a private server with my pi b+?
[21:20] <slavking> what kind of private server?
[21:20] <orb> a very underpowered one
[21:20] <girlzgirls> brb
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[21:21] <girlzgirls> underpowered?
[21:21] <girlzgirls> like a image board?
[21:21] <girlzgirls> for private server
[21:21] <girlzgirls> brb
[21:21] <EDinNY> depends what you are trying to serve, girlzgirls
[21:22] <EDinNY> what services will you run?
[21:23] <slavking> webserver
[21:24] <slavking> ftp server
[21:24] <Ad0> slavking: http://pastebin.com/2fjxaHNf
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[21:25] <EDinNY> Depends on how many concurrent users. and what speed you have, and they have. This for your home network?
[21:25] <orb> it'd be not so great
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[21:26] <orb> why not make an old laptop a server?
[21:27] <slavking> ooh way over my head
[21:27] <slavking> i see you included a lot of stuff, made pthread
[21:27] <EDinNY> orb: I don't have it set up, yet, but when tested a firewall with a USB network card, I was getting my full 55 Mb/s throughput
[21:27] <Ad0> slavking: I change the priority of my own thread
[21:28] <Ad0> to see if I get better timing etc
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[21:28] <Ad0> but that's secondary I could have dropped that for the test
[21:28] <Ad0> doesn't affect CPU
[21:28] <orb> i'm not totally sure what we're talking about, EDinNY
[21:29] <Ad0> slavking: this is why I don't use wiringPi as well. so I can batch multiple requests in one ioctl call
[21:29] <EDinNY> Ad0, You told girlzgirls that an RP was too slow for a server.
[21:29] <Ad0> I didn't tell him anything
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[21:29] <slavking> I am at line 99
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[21:30] <slavking> jesus christ this is complex
[21:30] <mfa298> Ad0: I think higher cpu load is one of the side effects of changing the thread scheduling mode, If you didn't set SCHED_FIFO the cpu load might be lower (but you'll probably have more jitter as well)
[21:30] <slavking> why don't you use an SPI library someone already wrote
[21:31] <Ad0> mfa298: it was before I did that
[21:31] <Ad0> as well :-|
[21:31] <Ad0> slavking: that would have been even slower
[21:31] <Ad0> that's how I started
[21:31] <slavking> what does ioctl do
[21:32] <slavking> why do you constantly use a return of ioctl
[21:32] <Ad0> ioctl is "write and read to / from the device"
[21:32] <orb> well, there's more than just network speed - there's CPU power, EDinNY
[21:32] <slavking> oh ret is just a value
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[21:32] <slavking> return value for errors
[21:32] <Ad0> yeah you need to check on return values :)
[21:32] <orb> the Pi's are awesome little computers, but they're not exactly powerful
[21:33] <slavking> line 130
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[21:33] <Ad0> I just hoped that SPI was an own thing that didn't load the CPU so much, I am sending 3k of data every 200 ms... that's not much compared to 100 mbit land ...
[21:33] <Ad0> LAN*
[21:34] <Ad0> but clearly the broadcom SoC doesn't have an own SPI processor or something
[21:34] <mfa298> Ad0: you might also find having a function called open gets confusing as well, you also seem to have some C++ in with the C
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[21:34] <Ad0> mfa298: well that's what happens when you use C libraries :)
[21:34] <redrabbit> the 100mbps lan on the rpi works at 100%
[21:34] <redrabbit> i tested it with wget
[21:34] <Ad0> it chokes the CPU?
[21:34] <redrabbit> IO chokes it
[21:35] <Ad0> download with wget with a bandwidth limit of 3k/sec
[21:35] <Ad0> =)
[21:35] <redrabbit> i get 100% with output to dev null
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[21:35] <slavking> spi write
[21:35] <slavking> and open
[21:35] <slavking> open does some *env stuff
[21:35] <Ad0> it's originally a java call (JNI), don't worry about that
[21:35] <redrabbit> output to sd card > ~33% of 100mbps
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[21:36] <redrabbit> probaby better on higher end cards
[21:36] <Ad0> this is code that has been testing a lot of back and forth hence all the includes
[21:36] <redrabbit> well its a u3
[21:36] <slavking> can someone help me with OSMC
[21:36] <slavking> i need to get transmission-daemon running
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[21:37] <Ad0> did you apt-get install it then
[21:38] <slavking> yeah it works
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[21:38] <slavking> but it doesn't autostart
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[21:38] <slavking> i cna't even get it to log the message
[21:38] <EDinNY> BTW, slavking, I am using mine as a media server for Kodi running on an Amazon FireTV
[21:38] <Ad0> ok
[21:38] <Ad0> you have to add it to rc.d
[21:38] <slavking> nah
[21:38] <slavking> it uses systemd
[21:38] <Ad0> sudo update-rc.d transmission-daemon defaults
[21:39] <slavking> rc.local does nothing!
[21:39] <Ad0> seems like OSMC is messed up
[21:39] <Ad0> maybe rc.local doesn't start because you aren't logged in on a terminal
[21:39] <Ad0> hm should just start when the PI starts
[21:39] <slavking> but systemd should start transmission-daemon
[21:40] <slavking> i'll post the systemd config
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[21:40] <slavking> https://glot.io/snippets/enj5tww4d7
[21:40] <Ad0> I don't use systemd so I don't know
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[21:41] <Ad0> why not try to use rc.local and do echo "LOL" > /home/youruser/lol.txt
[21:41] <Ad0> and see if it gets created on startup
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[21:41] <slavking> FAiled to start Transmisison BitTorrent client
[21:41] <Ad0> what happens if you start it by hand
[21:41] <slavking> blah blah check systemd status transmission-daemon
[21:41] <slavking> it works normally
[21:41] <mfa298> slavking: does it start if you run `sudo systemctl start transmission-daemon`
[21:41] <slavking> let me check this instant
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[21:42] <slavking> sudo systemctl start transmission-daemon
[21:42] <mfa298> if it starts like that try `sudo systemctl enable transmission-daemon` to make it start at boot
[21:42] <slavking> Job for transmission-daemon.service failed. See 'systemctl status transmission-daemon.service' and 'journalctl -xn' for details.
[21:42] <slavking> Aha!
[21:42] <mfa298> if it doesnt start then you need to look at `sudo systemctl status transmission-daemon` and journalctl to see why it didn't start
[21:43] <slavking> sudo systemctl status transmission-daemon
[21:43] <slavking> will post in that glot-io
[21:43] <slavking> https://glot.io/snippets/enj5tww4d7
[21:44] <Ad0> maybe because it doesn't start as your user and doesnt use your local config ...
[21:44] <Ad0> just a wild guess :)
[21:44] <slavking> tbh I think its the systemd service
[21:45] <slavking> file
[21:45] <mfa298> that's only the systemd service file, no output of why it failed
[21:45] <Ad0> what does journalctl -xn say
[21:45] <slavking> I think the service file isn't up to snuff
[21:45] <mfa298> I wouldn't be surprised if it's down to not having a config when run as a system user
[21:46] <mfa298> that systemd service looks reasonable not that I've ever used transmission
[21:46] <slavking> Process: 477 ExecStart=/usr/bin/transmission-daemon -f --log-error (code=exited, status=255)
[21:46] <slavking> Main PID: 477 (code=exited, status=255)
[21:47] <Ad0> make it start as your user
[21:48] <mfa298> 'systemctl status transmission-daemon.service' and 'journalctl -xn' should give a few lines of output which usually indicate what went wrong (a lot more than the two lines you pasted)
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[21:50] <kardinal> Any ideas if hcitool lescan on rpi3 gives input/output error with any parameters? Trying to scan LE bluetooth beacon with it..
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[21:53] <Ad0> kardinal: works here. what exact error is it?
[21:53] <Ad0> just "input/output error" ?
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[21:53] <Ad0> show output of dmesg | grep -i blue
[21:53] <kardinal> Oh, it's "Set scan parameters failed: input / output error"
[21:53] <Ad0> lsmod | grep blu
[21:54] <Ad0> ls /dev/rfkill
[21:54] <Ad0> post /boot/config.txt
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[21:54] <Ad0> http://pastebin.com/
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[21:58] <slavking> argh
[21:58] <slavking> peecee rebooted
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[21:59] <slavking> * transmission-daemon.service - Transmission BitTorrent Daemon
[21:59] <slavking> Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/transmission-daemon.service; enabled)
[21:59] <slavking> Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Mon 2017-02-27 21:42:24 CET; 16min ago
[21:59] <slavking> Process: 477 ExecStart=/usr/bin/transmission-daemon -f --log-error (code=exited, status=255)
[21:59] <slavking> Main PID: 477 (code=exited, status=255)
[21:59] <kardinal> Ad0: http://pastebin.com/BPVgkHSw
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[22:00] <slavking> osmc@osmc:~$ journalctl
[22:00] <slavking> No journal files were found.
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[22:01] <mfa298> slavking: you need sudo infront of the systemctl and journalctl commands
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[22:02] <Ad0> seems like it's there kardinal
[22:03] <Ad0> hciconfig hci0 down
[22:03] <Ad0> hciconfig hci0 up
[22:03] <slavking> ok gonna put it in glot.io
[22:03] <ali1234> Ad0: why are you using SPI_IOC_MESSAGE?
[22:03] <slavking> https://glot.io/snippets/enj5tww4d7
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[22:04] <Ad0> ali1234: you HAVE to use SPI_IOC_MESSAGE
[22:04] <ali1234> why?
[22:04] <Ad0> what do you mean?
[22:04] <ali1234> why do you HAVE to use it?
[22:04] <Ad0> that's how you are supposed to use SPI
[22:04] <Ad0> in linux
[22:05] <ali1234> who says that?
[22:05] <Ad0> errrm the docs?
[22:06] <Ad0> https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/tools/spi/spidev_test.c
[22:06] <Ad0> written by Linus Thorvalds himself
[22:06] <Ad0> oops I mean committed
[22:06] <slavking> Feb 27 21:42:24 osmc systemd[1]: Failed to start Transmission BitTorrent Daemon.
[22:06] <slavking> Feb 27 21:42:24 osmc systemd[1]: Unit transmission-daemon.service entered failed state.
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[22:06] <Ad0> hm no it was the name only on the personal repo
[22:06] <Ad0> lol
[22:07] <kardinal> Ad0: No effect, but thanks for idea
[22:07] <ali1234> https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/spi/spidev
[22:07] <ali1234> read the first line :)
[22:07] <ali1234> (two lines)
[22:07] <mfa298> slavking: you're not providing any useful information for people to help you. your pasted text is just the systemd service file
[22:07] <ali1234> do you need full duplex?
[22:07] <ali1234> i don't think you do
[22:08] <slavking> damnit
[22:08] <slavking> that's all I got from the
[22:08] <slavking> sudo systemctl
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[22:08] <slavking> and journalctl -xn
[22:08] <slavking> I put it all in glot.io
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[22:08] <slavking> https://glot.io/snippets/enj5tww4d7
[22:09] <Ad0> will that use less CPU? and why would it?
[22:09] <Ad0> I need to read data as well
[22:09] <ali1234> full duplex will use about twice as much CPU
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[22:09] <Ad0> in the same operation
[22:09] <ali1234> why?
[22:09] <Ad0> because I use it to actually read data
[22:10] <ali1234> why do you need to write data?
[22:10] <Ad0> you need to specify channel and how you want your data
[22:10] <Ad0> for each read
[22:10] <Ad0> that's how the MCP3008 works
[22:10] <ali1234> doesn't it support scanned mode?
[22:10] <Ad0> and it doesn't support continous
[22:10] <Ad0> no
[22:10] <mfa298> slavking: nope, your glot.io only shows the systemd service file and was last modified an hour ago
[22:11] <Ad0> ali1234: do you know of an ADC which has SPI and scanned mode?
[22:11] <Ad0> that it just sweeps selected channels
[22:11] <ali1234> yes, someone was here earlier talking about it
[22:11] <Ad0> I saw that those are really expensive
[22:11] <Ad0> those I found at least
[22:11] <ali1234> MAX1168 does it
[22:11] <ali1234> i still dont think you need full duplex
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[22:11] <ali1234> you write the parameters and then read the result
[22:11] <slavking> https://glot.io/snippets/enj7dr0m5m
[22:11] <slavking> damnit
[22:12] <Ad0> ali1234: it would be 2 calls cycling the CPU
[22:12] <Ad0> I am not sure why it would be any different
[22:12] <Ad0> if you slow down the clock speed it seems to burn CPU
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[22:12] <Ad0> if you read at a very slow rate
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[22:13] <Ad0> ah that seems to work OK
[22:13] <Ad0> but it's useless :)
[22:14] <ali1234> do you even initialize transfers with any data?
[22:15] <ali1234> oh i see
[22:15] <ali1234> i know what the problem is
[22:15] <ali1234> you need to keep CS asserted
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[22:15] <Ad0> yes
[22:15] <slavking> can you see it now?
[22:15] <ali1234> you don't have to use the SPI's CS logic
[22:16] <ali1234> you can just put the pin in GPIO mode and assert it yourself
[22:16] <ali1234> then write, followed by read, without deasserting it
[22:17] <ali1234> do you have to resend the parameters after every sample?
[22:17] <slavking> changed the transmission-daemon.service
[22:17] <slavking> still the same
[22:17] <ali1234> let me read the datasheet
[22:17] <Ad0> ali1234: the cs needs to go on and off for each one
[22:17] <Ad0> you can't send a big buffer
[22:17] <ali1234> what do you mean "each one"
[22:18] <Ad0> each request
[22:18] <Ad0> but it takes care of that automatically and it's all happening in kernelmode
[22:18] <ali1234> you are sending a big array of transfer requests?
[22:18] <Ad0> yes
[22:18] <Ad0> in one batch
[22:18] <Ad0> and it does all the CS magic for me
[22:18] <Ad0> I assumed that was better than just going in and out of ioctl per request
[22:19] <ali1234> it probably is
[22:19] <Ad0> it alleviated CPU usage some
[22:19] <Ad0> but not as much as I hoped for
[22:19] <ali1234> but that's a lot of stuff to deal with
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[22:19] <Ad0> but think of it this way
[22:19] <Ad0> ethernet has these kind of structures all the time
[22:19] <Ad0> at 100 megabit
[22:19] <ali1234> ethernet has buffers
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[22:20] <ali1234> the SPI driver on pi does not use DMA
[22:20] <Ad0> I was hoping there was some kind of alleviation for SPI as well
[22:20] <Ad0> I thought that went upstream?
[22:20] <ali1234> so the CPU has to constantly wait for the SPI tiny FIFO to run empty and then re-fill it
[22:20] <mfa298> slavking: did you try reading what the journalctl told you. It's pretty obvious where to look for errors
[22:20] <Ad0> yeah I have a feeling that it's a busy wait ruining everything
[22:21] <ali1234> the SPI DMA driver might have gone upstream but it isnt used by default afaik, because it is needed for other things like audio
[22:21] <ali1234> there is only so many DMAs
[22:21] <Ad0> https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/drivers/spi/spi-bcm2835.c
[22:21] <ali1234> also, if you do lots of tiny transaction it might not even be possible to use the DMA efficiently
[22:21] <Ad0> ali1234: really
[22:21] <Ad0> the transactions are 3 byte each :-|
[22:22] <Ad0> I guess that makes a big difference
[22:22] <Ad0> from like packets that are xxx bytes big
[22:22] <ali1234> yeah its going to set up the DMA for 3 bytes every time
[22:22] <Ad0> but if I collect 1022 samples in 200 ms
[22:22] <Ad0> it's still burning away
[22:23] <ali1234> well each sample is a transaction right?
[22:23] <Ad0> yeah
[22:23] <ali1234> are you absolutely sure you can't stream from this chip?
[22:23] <Ad0> yeah
[22:23] <Ad0> I think I should just forget about the whole chip
[22:24] <ali1234> i'm sure there must be something better
[22:24] <Ad0> yeah an attiny doing everything for me
[22:24] <Ad0> funny thing is that it's cheaper and more reliable lol
[22:24] <Ad0> only downside is that it's extra maintenance
[22:24] <ali1234> but lower accuracy
[22:25] <Ad0> hm with a crystal I was thinking it would be more accurate than the scheduler etc in normal linux
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[22:25] <slavking> aw damnit
[22:25] <slavking> I'll just cron it
[22:25] <ali1234> oh this chip is only 10 bit
[22:25] <ali1234> MAX1168 is 16 bit, attiny is 12 bit iirc
[22:26] <ali1234> yeah just use a microcontroller for this, if 10 bits is enough for you
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[22:26] <ali1234> it will greatly reduce jitter if you do it right
[22:26] <ali1234> ie, with a timer interrupt
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[22:29] <Ad0> yeah ali1234
[22:29] <ali1234> continuous sampling is always difficult
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[22:31] <Ad0> ali1234: thanks!
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[22:31] <Ad0> yeah you hit the last nail in the coffin here
[22:32] <ali1234> hmm... you're not even sampling that fast... only about 44kbit for the samples
[22:32] <ali1234> the guy using MAX1168 was doing 112ksps
[22:32] <Ad0> I tried to ease the CPU usage :)
[22:32] <ali1234> or about 1.6mbit
[22:32] <Ad0> I only needed ~1000 samples for 200 ms
[22:32] <ali1234> do you need continuous?
[22:33] <Ad0> yes I am monitoring something
[22:33] <Ad0> but it's better with my original solution
[22:33] <ali1234> yeah but do you need absolutely no gaps? like eg audio recording?
[22:33] <Ad0> an attiny pushing data every half second
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[22:33] <ali1234> where you need a continuous arbitrary length stream, all samples equally spaces
[22:33] <Ad0> I can have gaps as long as the whole transfer takes les than 700 ms
[22:33] <Ad0> I just need 200 ms sampling fairly evently and then wait for like 400 ms and start again
[22:34] <Ad0> evenly
[22:34] <ali1234> do you need the raw samples or do you just integrate?
[22:34] <ali1234> because you can get chips that do that
[22:34] <Ad0> I use RMS calculations and low pass which is omitted
[22:34] <ali1234> then you just read one value
[22:34] <Ad0> yes that's what I did first but I wanted to explore if I could do everything in linux
[22:34] <Ad0> so the code is easier to update
[22:34] <Ad0> without needing to flash etc
[22:35] <Ad0> but after checking more I could just have a bootloader and flash the code on the chip via serial anyway..
[22:35] <Ad0> just have it on uart
[22:35] <ali1234> yes
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[22:35] <Ad0> but I am kinda stupid in a way I just want to see how deep the rabbit hole goes
[22:35] <ali1234> you dont even need to do that
[22:35] <Ad0> :)
[22:35] <ali1234> you can reprogram an AVR using SPI
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[22:36] <Ad0> but then I would need SPI communications but that would be 3 x 2 bytes or something every time I need it
[22:36] <ali1234> you can put everything on the HAT and reprogram it any time using avrdude
[22:36] <Ad0> which is like 2 times a second
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[22:36] <ali1234> no you only need SPI comms when reprogramming it
[22:36] <ali1234> you fetch the data over serial
[22:36] <Ad0> you would claim both personally?
[22:37] <ali1234> what else you going to use them for?
[22:37] <Ad0> nothing =)
[22:37] <ali1234> you can put jumper headers to disconnect the SPI if you want
[22:37] <ali1234> its only needed if you are developer
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[22:37] <Ad0> arduino would also work though
[22:37] <Ad0> without SPI
[22:38] <ali1234> yeah, but arduino bootloader sucks
[22:38] <Ad0> so I heard
[22:38] <Ad0> but does it *really* matter
[22:38] <Ad0> in the grand scheme of things
[22:38] <ali1234> actually yes, because it tends to mess up the serial port
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[22:38] <Ad0> oh ok.
[22:38] <Ad0> is there any other bootloader out there that is on github that actually is good :)
[22:38] <ali1234> device gets stuck in bootloader mode because you sent a character at the wrong time. and etc
[22:38] <ali1234> not serial ones, they're all the same
[22:38] <Ad0> can't you just reboot
[22:38] <Ad0> if it fails
[22:38] <ali1234> you are much better off using AVR-ISP
[22:39] <ali1234> yes you can assert reset
[22:39] <ali1234> or you could just hold reset and reprogram with SPI
[22:39] <ali1234> its the same really
[22:39] <Ad0> I think serial is "good enough" if you can get out of it by booting or whatever
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[22:39] <Ad0> not elegant
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[22:42] <girlzgirls> sorry, at work. so about using a pi as a server. can i make it anonymous?
[22:42] <slavking> how do I cron stuff
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[22:43] <Ad0> ali1234: what's the legality of having a programmer in software and just have it hardwired like you said?
[22:43] <slavking> dir
[22:43] <redrabbit> girlzgirls: what do you mean
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[22:43] <girlzgirls> dangit
[22:43] <redrabbit> i make it anonymous doesnt mean anything
[22:43] <ali1234> it's fine?
[22:43] <Ad0> it's not like atmel has a monopoly and patent or something on programming the chip ? :)
[22:43] <girlzgirls> like...have a server so you can put it where others cant find it
[22:43] <ali1234> of course they dont
[22:44] <Ad0> well I wouldn't be surprised
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[22:44] <ali1234> its just some wires anyway
[22:44] <girlzgirls> like they can look up ip server and go :oh its here at this address"
[22:45] <Ad0> yeah ali1234
[22:45] <girlzgirls> or do i have to use a server on an onion server?
[22:45] <girlzgirls> how does one even put something on a .onion anyway???
[22:46] <ali1234> i probably wouldnt use attiny because it doesn't have much ram
[22:46] <redrabbit> onions make you cry
[22:46] <girlzgirls> lol
[22:46] <ali1234> not sure they have uart either
[22:46] <girlzgirls> seriously, im asking here since it has to do with a raspi
[22:46] <Ad0> ali1234: it's USI
[22:47] <ali1234> how big is the fifo?
[22:48] <ali1234> i guess it does not matter, you wont be transfering data and sampling at the same time
[22:48] <Ad0> no =)
[22:48] <Ad0> I just would like it to push data at intervals
[22:48] <Ad0> it would be nice to request every time but not a must
[22:48] <ali1234> process it in the AVR
[22:48] <Ad0> if the processing takes 200 ms anyway
[22:48] <Ad0> I just do it in the AVR like you ay
[22:48] <Ad0> and push it as fast as I can
[22:49] <Ad0> then I need tx only UART
[22:49] <Ad0> I did this with soft uart
[22:49] <Ad0> on attiny45 :)
[22:49] <Ad0> it works but it's very limited, if you have 9600 baud you are not garantueed to have nice data. the RC osc might be off
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[22:49] <Ad0> so lowering it to half worked nice without tuning osc
[22:49] <ali1234> yes, so get one with a proper UART
[22:50] <ali1234> they aren't expensive
[22:50] <Ad0> yeah I need to see the selection sheet but the nicest I guess is to just use the normal atmega
[22:50] <Ad0> and be done with it
[22:50] <ali1234> atmega168 is a good bet
[22:50] <ali1234> that's pretty standard
[22:51] <An_Onion> I'm thinking about repurposing my B1 into a electronic doorbell
[22:51] <Ad0> yeah
[22:51] <Ad0> lol An_Onion
[22:52] <An_Onion> send a text message to my phone and my wife's phone, rather than ringing the annoyingly loud bell and terrifying the cat
[22:52] <Ad0> btw MAX1168 costs almost 10 times as much as the atmega
[22:52] <ali1234> yeah... its got a much better ADC though
[22:52] <ali1234> much faster too probably
[22:52] <Ad0> hehe
[22:53] <redrabbit> An_Onion: i thought about intercepting the wireless signal from the doorbell on a pi and send sms via api
[22:53] <Ad0> I'll survive
[22:53] <An_Onion> I wouldn't do it wirelessly - it's already got a nice wire :D
[22:53] <redrabbit> wires > all
[22:53] <An_Onion> yep
[22:54] <An_Onion> I'd like to do it as a drop-in replacement for a traditional doorbell, so I can put the old one back when we sell the house
[22:54] <redrabbit> or include a speaker
[22:54] <redrabbit> with a switch
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[22:55] <redrabbit> sell it with the connected doorbell
[22:55] <redrabbit> ;
[22:55] <An_Onion> well, we don't want an audible sound, since it scares the cat
[22:55] <Ad0> http://www.microchip.com/wwwproducts/en/ATTINY2313
[22:55] <redrabbit> yes, you keep it switched off
[22:55] <redrabbit> doorbells are annoying
[22:55] <redrabbit> :c
[22:55] <An_Onion> for that matter, I might be able to just syphon off of the existing signal
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[22:56] <BurtyB> ali1234, last I looked at the 168 the 328p was cheaper
[22:56] <ali1234> probably, it's very popular
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[22:57] <Ad0> attiny2313 is 30% cheaper than atmega
[22:57] <Ad0> lol
[22:57] <Ad0> cheap as chips literally though
[22:59] <Ad0> it only matters if you produce 100 000 units
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[23:03] <kieppie> mic check
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[23:04] <kieppie> howdy
[23:04] <kieppie> people awake?
[23:04] <An_Onion> depends
[23:05] <kieppie> NZ-time here, so always catching arse-end of timezones
[23:05] <An_Onion> I get that
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[23:07] <kieppie> I'm having a play with MotionEyeOS (nee MotionPie). setup is pretty simple & straight-forward, but I seem to have an issue pushing my catures to my NAS. I can see the mound via `df` & can write to it fine, but beyond that it's simply not writing & no real explanation given. seems it could be some possible writing permissions issue, but not really sure & what I'm seeing does not really add up
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[23:09] <An_Onion> I don't have experience with that particular software, but it does sound like a permission issue
[23:10] <An_Onion> make sure that whatever user the daemon is running as has write permission for the NAS
[23:10] <An_Onion> also, check it with local storage, first
[23:10] <An_Onion> make sure it's not a config issue with the recording software
[23:12] <kieppie> yea - I've tried with both guest account & no password & with a 'gadget' user I created with password. exec'd manually mount.cifs with both accounts & write is fine, populated app GUI with relevant creds.
[23:12] <kieppie> If I don't specify a share, then it stores locally, filling up the RPi's SD's pretty quickly
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[23:13] <An_Onion> well, that makes sense, at least
[23:13] <kieppie> just a little stumped atm. should be simple, but I'm sure I'm missing something simple somewhere
[23:13] <kieppie> uually have a mate to bounce ideas off, but he's off sick atm
[23:14] <An_Onion> how are you starting the software when it's not run manually, and who/how is it running?
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[23:15] <kieppie> I oped for the simple route & pulled a pre-built/optimized image for the RPi v1. May have to do it the 'hard way' & build it form scratch via Arch or Deb
[23:15] <cromulent> I had a browser window open on my pi and now it's gone, but the uptime is the same. where did it go?
[23:15] <An_Onion> tbh, it sounds like the software is working fine
[23:15] <leftyfb> kieppie: what user is the capture software running as? Can you confirm this?
[23:16] <An_Onion> ^
[23:16] <kieppie> hmmm.... assumed root, as effectively embedded device
[23:16] <leftyfb> you're assuming
[23:16] <leftyfb> kieppie: debug it and find out
[23:16] <An_Onion> or at least use 'ps au'
[23:16] <kieppie> yea:
[23:16] <kieppie> ps aux | grep motion
[23:16] <kieppie> 955 root /usr/bin/python /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/motioneye/meyectl.pyc startserver -b -c /data/etc/motioneye.conf -l
[23:16] <kieppie> 1017 root /usr/bin/motion -n -c /data/etc/motion.conf -d 9
[23:17] <kieppie> that's pretty.... crackheaded...
[23:17] <leftyfb> maybe try running it manually and see what errors there are
[23:17] <An_Onion> he did that
[23:17] <leftyfb> look in samba or motion logs
[23:17] <An_Onion> I was about to suggest that
[23:17] <An_Onion> time to look at the NAS
[23:18] <kieppie> synology
[23:18] <An_Onion> how it's mounted, permissions, logs, etc
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[23:18] <cromulent> is it possible the browser silently crashed? really need to figure this out, otherwise it's a pretty crappy monitor
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[23:18] <kieppie> hmmm - may have to `tail -f` smb logs
[23:19] <kieppie> simple solution may be to see if I can dummy up the local share to nount to remote NFS...?
[23:20] <kieppie> hmmmm - this is doing down a dark route. the better course of action may be to file bug reports @ GH
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[23:20] <kieppie> thanks folks. back to work for me know. TTYL
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[23:26] <An_Onion> cromulent, check logs yo
[23:28] <cromulent> I was unaware that there was such a thing as logs for something like a browser crashing
[23:29] <ali1234> there's logs for everything
[23:29] <An_Onion> yep
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