#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2017-02-28

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[1:08] <Valduare> hmm
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[1:24] <Emil> I must say, the 1 wire driver is pretty god damn nice (combined with w1-gpip and w1-therm)
[1:25] <Emil> Do I need to always modprobe them on restart?
[1:25] <Emil> Or is just once enough?
[1:25] <jn__> modprobe only affects the running kernel
[1:25] <jn__> it doesn't persist restarts
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[1:25] <Emil> How did I made them persist?
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[1:26] <adu> I'm experimenting with pi zero + camera, and it reboots when I try to "raspivid"
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[1:26] <jn__> you could put the modprobe in a service/unit file, but that's probably not the nicest way
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[1:27] <Emil> http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/26623/ds18b20-not-listed-in-sys-bus-w1-devices I read here that adding them to /boot/config.txt is the way?
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[1:28] <jn__> Emil: i think that would work, yes
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[1:33] <ali1234> Emil: with device tree
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[1:48] <Janky_Dank> Hello!
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[1:49] <Valduare> soo I have two switches wired in series. how could I add an LED to each switch to show when its pressed etc
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[1:52] <Emil> ali1234: ?
[1:52] <Emil> Hmm
[1:52] <Emil> So if I use w1-gpio and w1-therm
[1:52] <Emil> I get a read once every second
[1:52] <Emil> Even if I have three sensors
[1:52] <Emil> how can I get a read from all the sensors once every second?
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[2:28] <gennro_> learned something new today, don't change your password then change your locales........
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[2:58] <deathonater> New RPi Zero model with Wi-Fi! Is this a new announcement, or have I been living under this rock for too long? http://gearopen.com/gears/raspberry-pi-zero-w-review-50970/
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[3:04] <gennro_> I just read about it today so I guess so
[3:06] <binaryhermit> new raspbian and noobs images
[3:07] <gennro_> hell would be nice to just get a rpi zero for under $10
[3:07] <binaryhermit> I suspect the new pi0 was someone breaking embargo
[3:08] <binaryhermit> since tomorrow here is the closest thing to the pi's 5th birthday
[3:08] <gennro_> ah
[3:08] <binaryhermit> since it came out leap day
[3:08] <binaryhermit> 2012
[3:11] <gennro_> could make for some neat iot devices that need a little extra power than a esp8266
[3:13] <shauno> I hope it's real, just because that case is cute as heck
[3:14] <gennro_> yeah hopefully
[3:14] <gennro_> and can buy it for less then $20
[3:18] <hmoney> at $14 it's still not as cheap as a pi zero with an ethernet to micro usb dongle from china
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[3:19] <shauno> but if the wifi is off the usb, you can use the usb-otg modes with the wifi up, which would be nice
[3:20] <shauno> (but if it's not off the usb, it's a zero that doesn't do otg at all, which would make me much less interested)
[3:20] <ali1234> if they moved the test points again i will ragequit rpi forever
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[4:30] <guideX> can raspberry pi zero make a good outdoor security camera?
[4:30] <guideX> and how do I keep it powered
[4:31] <guideX> can I do something like, battery + solar?
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[5:16] <mfa298> Smeef: I reckon that link is someone getting 28th Feb and 1st April confused.
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[7:25] <Populus> hey all, what ways have some of you gone about to remove all cords from your pi's?
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[7:26] <Populus> i'm on the hunt for a battery to connect to the pi so that it can last an hour or more without being connected
[7:27] <Populus> unfortunately the option i think seems most reasonable also means having to somehow attach a large, heavy and clunky powerbank
[7:27] <Populus> optimal would be to find just a small kind of battery that could connect to either gpio pins or a usb connection and that wouldn't take much space at all so that it could simply be attached to the backside of my 7" display
[7:28] <Populus> has anyone here attempted anything similar?
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[7:29] <Drzacek> Populus, Hi
[7:29] <Drzacek> which rpi?
[7:29] <Populus> the model B one
[7:29] <Drzacek> Ok. It all comes down to what you want to do with your rpi now
[7:30] <Drzacek> It would be best if you could meassure the current you are currently using when charger, then you can calculate how big your battery has to be to survive for >1h
[7:31] <Drzacek> or you could check the maximal current for rpi b and use this value - we could safely assume it won't suck anything more than that
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[7:32] <Drzacek> will you power your 7 inch LCD from separate source?
[7:35] <Populus> I want to use the whole setup as a kind of tablet for general use and the simplicity of bringing along wherever I go. The goal is to remove all cords attached.
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[7:36] <Populus> From the raspberrypi website it says the USB maximum total current draw is at 500mA.
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[7:36] <Populus> The display is being charged through the gpio pins as I understand it. It is the default display touch 7" from raspberry themselves
[7:36] <Drzacek> yeah, but the rpi recommended PSU should have 1.2A
[7:37] <Populus> yeah
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[7:38] <Drzacek> well, the rpi1b will draw 0.5A when in use, the lcd screen also ~0.5A
[7:38] <Drzacek> thats 1A already
[7:39] <Drzacek> Since rpi1b doesn't have wifi, you will probably use wifi dongle - add another 0.250A
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[7:41] <Populus> Are there any modules which could increase the 1.2A cap?
[7:41] <Drzacek> thats not the problem
[7:41] <Populus> oh
[7:42] <Drzacek> you could just pull the voltage wires directly from your power source to your LCD - that way the current wouldn't go through rpi
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[7:43] <Populus> so we're looking at a battery that has gpio pins or alternatively soldering/attaching the wires manually
[7:43] <Drzacek> and of course - you can't connect lipo battery directly, you would need some kind of module - in simplest solution at least a voltage regulator, but I suggest you get one of those charging circuits - the cheap ones dont only allow USING or CHARGING, not both at the same time
[7:43] <Drzacek> anything wrong with just attaching micro USB cable with power?
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[7:44] <Populus> No, that's not an issue. But I would want to have the altrnative to both use and charge it simultaneously.
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[7:46] <Drzacek> https://www.adafruit.com/products/2465
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[7:47] <Populus> oh hey look at that, that seems perfect
[7:49] <Populus> with that I wouldn't have to alter the way i connect my display either
[7:49] <Populus> and presumably there's no issue with the power consumption either?
[7:50] <Drzacek> I don't think so
[7:50] <Populus> i could buy that, and only have to worry about how to fit it all into a neat container
[7:50] <Drzacek> I mean, this is rpi official lcd, I guess they knew what they were doing
[7:51] <Drzacek> Is this lcd compatible with 1b?
[7:51] <Drzacek> if it is officialy supported, then it has to work and there shouldn't be any issues
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[7:51] <Populus> This is the display - https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/raspberry-pi-touch-display/
[7:52] <Populus> yes, I'm using the display at the moment. I have it all set up apart from the mobile battery.
[7:52] <Populus> err, the battery*, which is then to be attached to the backside.
[7:52] <Populus> unfortunately this pi does not have wifi included, but I have another pi being used for another project which i could simply swap out
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[7:53] <Populus> but that's for when i have the battery setup and functional
[7:53] <Drzacek> Raspberry Pi 3 Model B
[7:53] <Drzacek> Raspberry Pi 2 Model B
[7:53] <Drzacek> Raspberry Pi Model B+
[7:53] <Drzacek> Raspberry Pi Model A+\
[7:53] <Drzacek> Compatible with
[7:55] <Drzacek> you have it connected now, right?
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[7:55] <Populus> yeah, to my Pi 2 Model B
[7:55] <Drzacek> rpi 1b + touch screen + wifi dongle
[7:56] <Drzacek> I thought you said 1b?
[7:56] <Populus> Then I apologize
[7:56] <Populus> I think I say simply model B
[7:56] <Populus> said*
[7:56] <Drzacek> nevermind
[7:57] <Drzacek> if it works when using charger, then it also should work using that powerboost circuit
[7:57] <Drzacek> brb
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[7:57] <Populus> thanks for your help, i'll be ordering that powerboost circuit asap
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[8:43] <Hanonim> Hi folks !
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[8:48] <brainzap> Good Morning
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[10:02] <ali1234> hmm no wonder people got confused and released those articles early
[10:02] <ali1234> there is no feb 29th this year :)
[10:03] <shauno> noticed they're up on thepihut now (and probably the usual others)
[10:04] <ali1234> yes im ordering it now
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[10:05] <ali1234> i mean shh what you talking about ? i can't see it anywhere :)
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[10:14] <shauno> proud of myself for actually getting out of bed when my alarm went off
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[10:18] * BurtyB sees nothing either... is it wed/thur/fri yet?
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[10:20] <[ill]will> https://thepihut.com/products/raspberry-pi-zero-w?variant=30332705425 nice
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[10:37] <hypermist> argh
[10:37] <hypermist> to buy pizero w
[10:37] <hypermist> or not
[10:37] <hypermist> XD
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[10:39] <Habbie> hypermist, i'm doing it
[10:39] <Drzacek> sweet
[10:39] <Habbie> it's in stock
[10:39] <Habbie> it is 11 bucks
[10:39] <hypermist> its 25NZD
[10:39] <Habbie> huh the plain zero is also in stock
[10:39] <hypermist> xD
[10:39] <hypermist> with shipping
[10:39] <Habbie> hypermist, that's 17 EUR, it's 11 EUR here
[10:39] <Habbie> oh
[10:39] <Habbie> in that case, pretty close
[10:39] <Habbie> pondering whether i need anything else from this shop `:)
[10:40] <hypermist> i dont wanna spend money im meant to be saving so i might have to not buy it
[10:40] <hypermist> i need new pc parts not more pis xD
[10:40] <Drzacek> too bad it's 15 euro with shipping. nowhere near 4$
[10:41] <Drzacek> would make sense if I could buy in bulk
[10:41] <hypermist> haha
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[10:43] <shauno> https://buyzero.de/collections/raspberry-pi-zero-kits/products/30-x-pi-zero-w-fur-schulen-unis-fablabs-kit
[10:45] <shauno> seems pi3g, the german distributor on the announcement blog, are doing packs of 30 (if I read that right - I don't read german)
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[10:45] <ali1234> but thats 30 euros per unit
[10:46] <shauno> yeah, it looks like it's 30 kits, not 30 boards
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[10:46] <ali1234> whats a gehause?
[10:46] <ali1234> oh, a case
[10:47] <ali1234> yeah so you get case, hdmi adapter, usb otg adapter, usb cable, and 40 pin header
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[10:47] <shauno> still not exactly a steal, but the first time I've seen someone doing bulk
[10:47] <ali1234> yeah
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[10:55] <bedah> "raspberry buy zero"
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[10:59] <ali1234> can someone post hires photos of the bottom of zero w please?
[11:00] <BurtyB> fingers crossed ali1234
[11:00] <ali1234> i know someone in here has got one
[11:01] <ali1234> http://raspi.tv/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Roger-Thornton-Pi-Zero-W_1500.jpg
[11:01] <ali1234> the test points are still there at least
[11:01] <ali1234> so at worst i have to do a redesign
[11:02] <ali1234> looks like they are in very similar position
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[11:04] <ali1234> http://hackaday.com/2017/02/28/10-raspberry-pi-zero-w-the-w-means-wifi-bluetooth/
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[11:04] <ali1234> hackaday knows where its at
[11:04] <tommy``> guys, is possible use raspberrypi to charge a battery like this? http://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/322295938602-0-1/s-l1000.jpg
[11:05] <ali1234> no tommy, you need a charge controller chip for that
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[11:05] <BurtyB> no more PP numbers though :(
[11:05] <ali1234> see where it says "caution use specified charger only"? they put that for a reason
[11:06] <tommy``> ali1234, i don't have it but i need to charge that battery
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[11:09] <ali1234> tommy``: watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6mKd5_-abk
[11:09] <tommy``> ali1234 thanks
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[11:24] <yumbox_> hi, could someone help me get ssh working on my rpi?
[11:24] <yumbox_> when I try to connect, it says "connection refused"
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[11:24] <Lartza> Create a file called ssh on the boot partition
[11:25] <Lartza> It's disabled by default
[11:25] <yumbox_> I enabled ssh with raspi-config
[11:25] <yumbox_> when I do `ssh localhost` on the rpi, i can login
[11:25] <Lartza> Is this from the local network or through internet?
[11:25] <Lartza> When it fails
[11:25] <yumbox_> `systemctl status ssh.service` shows sshd is running
[11:26] <yumbox_> direct ethernet connection
[11:26] <Lartza> Uhh direct as in with a cross-over cable?
[11:26] <yumbox_> i dont think it's a cross-over cable
[11:26] <Lartza> Then how do you think it would work
[11:26] <Lartza> I'm not sure RPi supports virtual cross-overing
[11:27] <yumbox_> hmm
[11:27] <yumbox_> I assumed it would be automatic in 2017, heh
[11:27] <Lartza> Eh
[11:28] <Lartza> yumbox_, Yeah I just searched, no Auto-MDIX on the RPi ethernet
[11:28] <Lartza> Okay others say it does support Auto-MDIX...
[11:29] <Lartza> Hmm so it should indeed support Auto-MDIX, so I'd check your static configuration
[11:29] <yumbox_> I can ping it
[11:30] <Lartza> Restart sshd?
[11:30] <Lartza> If it was started before the connection was established
[11:30] <Lartza> I'm kind of out of ideas unfortunately
[11:31] <yumbox_> tried that
[11:31] <yumbox_> it gives a `connection refused` when i have the cable connected
[11:31] <yumbox_> when i remove the cable, it just times out
[11:31] <Lartza> Well duh :P
[11:31] <yumbox_> that shows that it does connect to the pi
[11:32] <Lartza> Connection refused usually means the port is not listening or is being actively refused
[11:32] <Lartza> Firewall, sshd config
[11:32] <hypermist> i can't buy me a wifi one as much as i wanna
[11:32] <yumbox_> I've disabled my firewall on my laptop
[11:32] <yumbox_> is there any firewall on the pi?
[11:32] <Lartza> Uhh not sure
[11:32] <Lartza> sudo ufw status
[11:32] <yumbox_> ufw isnt installed on the pi
[11:33] <Lartza> Then I'd guess no
[11:38] <BurtyB> ali1234, Don't know if you've seen it but https://twitter.com/pimoroni/status/836510914094510080/photo/1 looks good :)
[11:39] <ali1234> cool so its identical
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[11:40] <hypermist> like i have the money for a pi0w
[11:40] <hypermist> but i need to save for 700$ worth of pc parts ;P
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[11:48] <ali1234> hey it's pancake day
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[11:52] <BurtyB> ali1234, yup :D
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[12:01] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Happy Zero W day, everyone :D
[12:01] <Lartza> 700$ doesn't buy you much of a PC nowadays :(
[12:01] <Gadgetoid_Pim> @ali1234, the test points are in the same location as on the Pi Zero v1.3
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[12:01] <Lartza> I wish I had a new PC
[12:02] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Lartza, define "much of a PC"? I'd suspect $700 to get something pretty decent
[12:02] <Lartza> Gadgetoid_Pim, Maybe four years ago unfortunately
[12:02] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Unless you're talking about playing the latest dull "AAA" titles, and pointless rubbish like Overwatch
[12:02] <Lartza> :D
[12:02] <Lonefish> aaah, graphics cards
[12:02] <ali1234> morning Gadgetoid :)
[12:02] <Lonefish> you could pay 700$ for a graphics card alone indeed
[12:02] <Lartza> Everything costs more, not graphics cards
[12:02] <ali1234> i already ordered
[12:02] <BurtyB> pah, nothing wrong with a good old S3 trio
[12:02] <Lartza> *not just
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[12:03] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Morning ali1234- I couldn't tell you sooner, but just wanted to say it's compatible :)
[12:03] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Also I suspect a bunch of people might have Pi Zeros they want to do something else with now, so... great opportunity :D
[12:03] <ali1234> i saw the pictures on twitter
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[12:04] <ali1234> so the order for zero stems. i forgot to change the thickness to 1.6mm, so they will be 1.2mm
[12:04] <Gadgetoid_Pim> I've noticed the classic desktop PC form-factor seems to be quite expensive these days, I guess they've totally lost their economy of scale edge
[12:04] <ali1234> i doubt this will cause a problem
[12:04] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Is the prototype I have 1.2mm?
[12:04] <ali1234> no it's 1.6
[12:04] <ali1234> the pi itself seems to be about 1.4
[12:04] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Would be interesting to see
[12:05] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Oh wait, I was thinking of ghetto-USB connectors, the thickness is kinda academic
[12:05] <ali1234> yes
[12:05] <Gadgetoid_Pim> You might get a tiny bit of nylon bolt protruding, but you're right
[12:05] <ali1234> i thought of doing it that way, but then i figured it would be too wobbly with the weight
[12:05] <ali1234> the bolts are massively oversized anyway
[12:05] <ali1234> you have to trim them
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[12:05] <Gadgetoid_Pim> You made the right choice, it fits well
[12:06] <ali1234> i bought the entire stock of those USB connectors on ebay
[12:06] <ali1234> they had exactly 200
[12:06] <ali1234> if you want more i'm going to have to find a new supplier
[12:07] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Do you have a part number, or anything?
[12:07] <ali1234> no
[12:07] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Okay, I'll set Niko on it
[12:08] <Gadgetoid_Pim> How much did you pay each, roughly?
[12:09] <ali1234> 12.8p each
[12:09] <ali1234> oh they have more stock on ebay... cool
[12:10] <ali1234> the footprint is identical to the one in the adafruit eagle library
[12:10] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Bet we can get 'em cheaper than that
[12:10] <ali1234> i dunno. they are like £1 on rs
[12:11] <Gadgetoid_Pim> If it were Japan, not China, that mass-produced cheap components I could have said: We've got a Jap for that
[12:12] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Although in retrospect that sounds a bit 1940s
[12:12] <ali1234> i dont get it
[12:12] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Like the "There's an App for that"
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[12:13] <ali1234> are the rules for buying zeros still the same?
[12:13] <Gadgetoid_Pim> For the foreseeable future, I believe so- simply because high demand
[12:14] <Gadgetoid_Pim> I think people massively, massively underestimate just how big the demand for tens, thousands, hundreds and hundreds of thousands is
[12:14] <ali1234> i really want a scroll phat hd, but i already have like 10 zeros
[12:15] <shauno> wow, they really are that much :/ I thought 1gbp was going to be a slight exageration. they only go below 60p by the thousand
[12:15] <Gadgetoid_Pim> It'll certainly be available separately, just right now we've not been able to make enough
[12:15] <Gadgetoid_Pim> I don't have a timescale on that, though
[12:15] <ali1234> the radio looks nice too
[12:15] <Gadgetoid_Pim> The first one was finished this morning =/ after delays in getting the PCBs
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[12:16] <ali1234> radio needs a clock on it though
[12:17] <BurtyB> Gadgetoid_Pim, will you allow Pi Zero + Pi Zero W orders? (when you have stock)
[12:17] <shauno> huh, thepihut have shipped already. they must have been raring to go this morning
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[12:20] <Gadgetoid_Pim> BurtyB, I don't know, t hat's a good question :D
[12:21] <Gadgetoid_Pim> shauno, yeah I think Jamie ate an entire jar of instant coffee at 7am
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[12:34] <shiftplusone> Gadgetoid_Pim: All the apt things should be live now(ish)
[12:36] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Schuweeet
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[12:36] <Gadgetoid_Pim> More coming later today, once Rogue has fixed all the bugs in my copy-pasta-packaging attempts ;)
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[12:38] <Azelphur> Hi folks, does anyone know of any smallish cameras that either have night vision or work well in the dark? (I'm looking to DIY a smart doorbell)
[12:38] * BurtyB needs to learn how to do that packaging thing as it would make my life easier
[12:39] <shauno> Azelphur: given where you're asking, I'd probably stick with the pi noir with a couple of IR leds (variant of the regular pi camera without an IR filter)
[12:39] <shiftplusone> BurtyB: it's not as difficult as it appears. It only gets complicated when you're working around large, complicated build systems.
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[12:40] <Azelphur> shauno, would I get a different recommendation if I was elsewhere? XD I just figured a good base for the platform would be a Pi Zero W
[12:40] <password4> yo
[12:40] <Gadgetoid_Pim> BurtyB, I' told the one-per-customer limit will apply across Zero and Zero W
[12:40] <password4> anyone know if at all theres an rpi hat for DB25 serial port?
[12:41] <Azelphur> shauno, certainly looks like it could do the job though, I notice the description mentions it takes some odd photos in daylight
[12:42] <BurtyB> shiftplusone, sounds good I'll have to Google - basically I just need to dump a few scripts in and sed a couple of files :)
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[12:42] <Azelphur> shauno, are the IR Leds visible to the human eye? I don't want bright white lights on my camera :)
[12:42] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Only know of the ABElectronics DB9 ones password4 - https://www.abelectronics.co.uk/p/51/Serial-Pi-Plus
[12:42] <shiftplusone> BurtyB: which files do you need to sed?
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[12:42] <shiftplusone> BurtyB: modifying files owned by other packages is bad form, usually.
[12:42] <shauno> Azelphur: that's exactly why I'd lean towards IR. no more visable than the IR leds on the front of a TV remote
[12:43] <Azelphur> shauno, nice
[12:43] <password4> the idiots here want DB25 -__-
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[12:43] <Azelphur> seems like it could do well
[12:43] <shauno> but yes, people will look like pink alien racoons during the day ;)
[12:43] <password4> and is not very interested if I can make one
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[12:44] <BurtyB> shiftplusone, /etc/dhcpcd.conf (which as far as i can see doesn't have a way to include files) and possibly /etc/network/interfaces (tho I might be able to dump that in the dir)
[12:44] <Azelphur> shauno, hehe, to be fair colour replication isn't super important for a doorbell cam anyway :)
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[12:44] <Azelphur> as much as it would be nice
[12:44] <fqtw> hi
[12:45] <fqtw> i downloaded the latest raspian jessie lite, it was in UK kbd layout for some reason, i used raspi-config to change it to US layout but afterwards it was still in UK layout. why?
[12:45] <shiftplusone> BurtyB: that's not a good idea, but sometimes there's no pretty way of doing things.
[12:45] <shiftplusone> fqtw: there's currently a divide between the UI keymap and the console one. Try using lxkeymap
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[12:46] <fqtw> shiftplusone: lxkeymap with what args/
[12:46] <fqtw> ?
[12:46] <shiftplusone> Is this from the desktop?
[12:46] <fqtw> and what UI. startx does nothing
[12:46] <fqtw> isnt jessie lite the one without X?
[12:46] <shiftplusone> ah okay, if you're not using that, raspi-config should work
[12:46] <fqtw> if now, how to start the GUI?
[12:46] <shiftplusone> Are you running raspi-config over ssh?
[12:46] <fqtw> no
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[12:46] <fqtw> directly
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[12:47] <shiftplusone> what is the layout set to in /etc/default/keyboard ?
[12:47] <fqtw> it also had country=GB in wpa_supplicant.conf for some reason
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[12:47] <BurtyB> shiftplusone, I tried not mangling dhdpcd.conf (adding a denyinterface line) but it seems to get an IP for eth0 and then br0 with the same MAC (and doesn't drop the first) which confuses my dhcp server slightly
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[12:51] <Gadgetoid_Pim> password4, https://www.amazon.co.uk/d/Adapters/DB25-female-parallel-adapter-cable/B001D50VQE?
[12:52] <password4> hmm , i guess it would work
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[12:54] <password4> i dont think they will be impressed with a usb solution though , they like to follow arbitary design rules that is not fact checked
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[12:54] <shauno> that says parallel? db25 serial and db25 parallel aren't interchangable
[12:54] <fqtw> shiftplusone: it turns out after i rebooted it uses the right keyboard. i thought it would work with logging out and back in
[12:55] <shiftplusone> ah
[12:55] <fqtw> shiftplusone: i configured my wifi, i can connect but how can i auto connect on boot?
[12:55] <shiftplusone> it should just do that
[12:55] <shiftplusone> how did you configure it?
[12:55] <Gadgetoid_Pim> And this, ali1234, is exactly what I was talking about yesterday :D
[12:55] <shiftplusone> (only wpa_supplicant.conf needed to be edited)
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[12:56] <fqtw> shiftplusone: like this: http://superuser.com/a/477393
[12:56] <fqtw> do i also need allow-hotplug wlan0 ?
[12:57] <shiftplusone> whatever is in the default interfaces file in raspbian lite/full
[12:57] <Gadgetoid_Pim> I can't stop sneezing.
[13:02] <fqtw> shiftplusone: thanks, it works now! btw, why change the password with this multiline command, isntead of just sudo passwd? http://www.instructables.com/id/Use-ssh-to-talk-with-your-Raspberry-Pi/
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[13:03] <shiftplusone> I guess that should be sudo passwd pi, which works just fine
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[13:04] <fqtw> shiftplusone: it also works via ssh, right?
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[13:05] <shiftplusone> yup
[13:05] <fqtw> shiftplusone: thanks. and which bash file should i use to add stuff to my PATH?
[13:05] <fqtw> bashrc, bash_profile or profile?
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[13:05] <fqtw> or what
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[13:07] <shiftplusone> I never remember and tend to check the bash manpage to be reminded which ones are for interactive shells and check which of them run the other.
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[13:07] <fqtw> shiftplusone: my wifi connection works with dhcp, but when i use static addr, i can connect to my router but i dont have internet access beyond that. why could that be? could it be that the router doesnt know that my pi wants a static address, or that it declines giving static IPs?
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[13:13] <shiftplusone> how do you set the static IP?
[13:15] <fqtw> shiftplusone: as described here http://weworkweplay.com/play/automatically-connect-a-raspberry-pi-to-a-wifi-network/
[13:16] <shiftplusone> Nope
[13:16] <fqtw> shiftplusone: nope?
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[13:17] <shiftplusone> From that file:
[13:17] <shiftplusone> # Please note that this file is written to be used with dhcpcd
[13:17] <shiftplusone> # For static IP, consult /etc/dhcpcd.conf and 'man dhcpcd.conf'
[13:17] <fqtw> from what file?
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[13:23] <ScrumpyJack> for sale: 5 RPi zero version 1.2 ;)
[13:24] <fqtw> shiftplusone: from what file is that?
[13:25] <fqtw> btw, my pi's current ip is 192.168.178.33
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[13:32] <ScrumpyJack> looks like all the solder pads of the W are in the same place except J5
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[13:32] <ScrumpyJack> what are the new pads for?
[13:34] <Smeef> It's official: https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspberry-pi-zero-w-joins-family/
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[13:35] <brainzap> fqtw: you need to add a DNS
[13:35] <GreeningGalaxy> is it actually going to be possible to buy the W if you can't camp the sites that sell it 24/7 though? :/
[13:35] <fqtw> brainzap: how?
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[13:38] <GreeningGalaxy> I'm pleased to see they doubled the price, which means demand will be marginally lower, and more importantly, they might actually be making a profit on it now, because there's no way a wi-fi chip costs $5 each in bulk
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[13:51] <gordonDrogon> Somehow I doubt it will decrease demand - however the online shops still have stock ...
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[13:56] <zZap-X> what is the best way to keep date/time on a rpi3?
[13:56] <zZap-X> should i use ntpd
[13:56] <gordonDrogon> connect it to the internet.
[13:56] <zZap-X> or use a crontab
[13:56] <gordonDrogon> it will use ntpd automatically.
[13:56] <gordonDrogon> assuming you're running raspbian.
[13:57] <zZap-X> trouble is if i use ntpd on its own, the date is incorrect
[13:57] <zZap-X> however if i boot with
[13:57] <zZap-X> ntpdate 0.pool.ntp.org > /dev/null 2>&1
[13:57] <gordonDrogon> then something is not setup correclt.y
[13:57] <zZap-X> it works but ntpdate cannot be run at the same time as ntpd
[13:57] <gordonDrogon> ntpdate is deprecated. surprised its even installed.
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[13:58] <zZap-X> gordonDrogon: so something in /etc/ntpd.conf needs changing?
[13:58] <gordonDrogon> as soon as ntp starts it ought to set the date/time correctly - assuming you're connected to the internet.
[13:58] <zZap-X> ok need to check settings
[13:58] <gordonDrogon> I've never had to touch anything on a Pi in the past 5 years to make it work.
[13:58] <Habbie> ntpd sets the time within 5 seconds of bootup for me
[13:59] <brainzap> ntpd uses UDP port 123
[13:59] <Habbie> gordonDrogon, no ntpdate on mine
[13:59] <gordonDrogon> as does ntpdate - if ntpdate works, then so should ntpd.
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[14:00] <gordonDrogon> in the olden days, ntp could not slew or step the time if it was more than a certian time out, that was the job of ntpdate, so you'd run ntpdate at boot time, then run ntp.
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[14:10] <GreeningGalaxy> I've toyed with the idea of making a cheapo hwclock by adding some contacts to a wall clock that close every 12 hours, and then setting up a script in the pi that says "every time this GPIO is pulled low, if you're not at 12:00, go there"
[14:10] <GreeningGalaxy> and then using fake-hwclock to fill in the rest, obviously
[14:11] <gordonDrogon> fake sets the time from the time of shutdown.
[14:11] <gordonDrogon> so it's possibly better than starting at zero every boot, however ...
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[14:13] <GreeningGalaxy> ah
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[14:14] <lastaid> well ... everytime i reboot my pi all the settings i changed are gone :( just checked, it overwrites them 0_o
[14:14] <lastaid> from /, not from /boot
[14:15] <GreeningGalaxy> Are you sure your SD is not set read-only?
[14:17] <Habbie> i found fake-hwclock quite useful on reboots and not great on day long shutdowns
[14:17] <lastaid> just checked fstab
[14:17] <lastaid> options are defaults, noatime
[14:18] <gordonDrogon> lastaid, what settings are you changing?
[14:18] <lastaid> i am writing a project into my home folder
[14:18] <lastaid> like /home/pi/workspace/a
[14:18] <lastaid> and when i reboot it will be gone
[14:18] <gordonDrogon> and this is on SD card?
[14:19] <lastaid> yes
[14:19] <lastaid> but i will check for mountpoints, hangon
[14:19] <gordonDrogon> well - it's not normal. not to be expected at all.
[14:19] <gordonDrogon> what are you using to write the 'project' (whatever that is?)
[14:20] <lastaid> its a nodejs application
[14:20] <lastaid> i use winscp
[14:20] <lastaid> and actually scp, not ftp
[14:20] <gordonDrogon> ok, you scp from a Win PC?
[14:20] <lastaid> yes
[14:20] <gordonDrogon> can you ssh onto the Pi and check it's there before you reboot?
[14:20] <lastaid> yes
[14:21] <gordonDrogon> well that's realyl weird.
[14:21] <lastaid> i know
[14:21] <GreeningGalaxy> uh.. check df and make sure none of those directories is secretly a ramfs?
[14:21] <lastaid> apparently we had a short power failure at work, and now the data is gone, which was weird, so i just copied something on there, ran it and then rebooted
[14:21] <lastaid> and same thing
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[14:22] <lastaid> old prohjects are still there though, just the new ones are missing
[14:23] <lastaid> will try another pi, i have like 10 lying around, but was wondering if this is a known issue
[14:23] <Habbie> when you say 'reboot', this is a normal reboot? or do you pull the power out?
[14:23] <GreeningGalaxy> try sshing in and running `sync' before rebooting?
[14:24] <lastaid> well i guess the failure over the weekend was a power outage, but i was unable to rec4reate the bug using sudo reboot
[14:24] <GreeningGalaxy> aha
[14:24] <lastaid> i mean
[14:24] <lastaid> i was able to recreate the bug
[14:24] <lastaid> trying a second pi now
[14:25] <GreeningGalaxy> with sudo reboot? or just by pulling the plug?
[14:25] <lastaid> sudo reboot
[14:25] <GreeningGalaxy> pulling the plug isn't recommended, as the pi might not be done with pending cached writes and data might be lost
[14:25] <GreeningGalaxy> hrm
[14:25] <lastaid> using toshiba extreme micreosd cards and a rasp. 3 if this matters
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[14:28] <BurtyB> lastaid, you're not putting them in /tmp are you?
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[14:30] <lastaid> i just booted to another pi, but in fstab i only had /boot and / mounted to sd card
[14:31] <GreeningGalaxy> that sounds right, those are the only two partitions on a typical Raspbian install
[14:31] <lastaid> wanted to check with another pi, but i had a broken nodejs installation. so i
[14:31] <GreeningGalaxy> or typical anything install for that matter
[14:31] <lastaid> i'd rather to a fresh image
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[14:32] <lastaid> I'll do a fresh install, do all the updates and then check again
[14:32] <lastaid> i saved the pi and the sd card so i could investigate further
[14:32] <Gadgetoid_Pim> And lo, I hath dput two more packages @shiftplusone :D
[14:32] <lastaid> i just checked because a collegue from work said that his pi forgets the wireless condfiguration every odd days
[14:33] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Also I'm gradually sliding into an epic cold and my brain is going fuzzy, so if your servers are now on fire... uh.. sorry
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[14:37] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_Pim, yuk, but me too )-:
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[14:38] <shiftplusone> Gadgetoid_Pim: should be up
[14:38] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Hope it clears before this weekend :(
[14:38] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Thank you shiftplusone!
[14:38] <shiftplusone> yw
[14:38] <GreeningGalaxy> is this how viruses spread from humans to computers?
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[14:38] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Yeah, people with muggy brains and confused fingers accidentally a virus while under the influence of a common cold :D
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[14:42] <Capi_di_capo> hey guys i want to play around with raspberry pi zero with infrared break beam, if i get a breadboard what kind of cabling would i need?
[14:42] <Capi_di_capo> and is that all powered by the pi then ? im not sure and very confused :D
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[14:43] <GreeningGalaxy> you could power it all by the pi, yeah. If you just want to assemble it on a solderless breadboard, all you need is some pin-pin jumpers.
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[14:44] <GreeningGalaxy> and an IR LED and IR phototransistor, but you can find those in many varying degrees of preassembly.
[14:44] <testus_> Any cool idea for what to do with RPi0W yet?
[14:44] <testus_> *ideas
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[14:44] <Capi_di_capo> okay so basically any breadboard would do
[14:45] <Capi_di_capo> and some pin pin jumpers let me try to find those xD
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[14:47] <GreeningGalaxy> "pin pin jumpers" really just means "pieces of wire with stripped ends" - anything will do, but some are fancier than others.
[14:47] <Capi_di_capo> so i did some searching into these IR Break Beam Sensor - 3mm LEDs and see the distance is only 25 cm and for the 5mm 50cm .. any tips on getting longer distances ? like 5 meter ? :P
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[14:48] <willmore> Capi_di_capo, head to your hardware store and get some garage door obstruction sensors?
[14:49] <Capi_di_capo> those are pretty expensive
[14:49] <willmore> They have the optics that you're going to need.
[14:49] <Capi_di_capo> some infrared sensors are so cheap :x
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[14:49] <GreeningGalaxy> yeah, if you want longer distances, you need some optics
[14:50] <willmore> cardboard toilet paper roll tube plus scavenged optics?
[14:50] <willmore> Use a laser?
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[14:50] <GreeningGalaxy> if you have an old green laser pointer lying around, you can -- you know what, I'm not going to recommend that. Nevermind.
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[14:50] <willmore> GreeningGalaxy, yikes! Don't tell noobs about high power IR lasers!
[14:51] <GreeningGalaxy> there's a reason getting into those things is so hard.
[14:51] * willmore nods
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[14:54] <GreeningGalaxy> anyway, if you're going to use a laser for this, you should use a visible one. If you get too much noise from ambient light, you can flash the laser very fast and add a band-pass filter to the receiver, which should work fairly well.
[14:55] <willmore> GreeningGalaxy, say 38KHz and then use readily available IR remote receivers which have the filter built in?
[14:55] <GreeningGalaxy> sure
[14:56] <GreeningGalaxy> I've never actually done this, but I'm pretty sure it's already a widely-used strategy for stuff like remotes and automatic doors that have to deal with ambient light a lot
[14:56] <willmore> It is.
[14:58] <willmore> I've done voice over IR. I'm not sure you can do it on an rpi as you need phase correct PWM. I don't know if the rpi can do that.
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[14:58] <GreeningGalaxy> doubt it
[14:59] <GreeningGalaxy> although I bet you could do serial over IR pretty well
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[15:00] <GreeningGalaxy> with a filtered photodiode, an LED, and some kind of fast amplifier, I bet you could get very respectable data rates.
[15:00] <Emil> Hey
[15:00] <Emil> Is the pi 3 suspectible to uv light in some way?
[15:00] <gordonDrogon> IR was an early form of mobile phone to phone/laptop data transfer.
[15:00] <Emil> I have mounted electronics to acrylic and to glue the acrylic I need uv light to harsen iy
[15:01] <willmore> GreeningGalaxy, IRDA all over again?
[15:01] <willmore> gordonDrogon, se hable IRDA?
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[15:03] <phil42> my pi zero w is on order
[15:05] * willmore already has a few Orange Pi Zero
[15:05] <GreeningGalaxy> Emil: I heard the first batch of the Pi 2 had some photoelectric vulnerabilities in some chip or other (see "xenon death flash") but I don't think it should cause any problems for a Pi 3, particularly if it's not on at the time.
[15:05] <phil42> orangepi has no mathematica
[15:06] <willmore> So?
[15:07] <GreeningGalaxy> that's what sagemath is for
[15:07] <phil42> so there
[15:07] <lastaid> what the established way to provide a timesource to a raspberry pi on boot
[15:07] <lastaid> it is connected to the internet
[15:07] <Habbie> lastaid, ntpd is configured by default on raspbian
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[15:08] <lastaid> well, its not doing its job then ... let me check if its firewalled
[15:08] <lastaid> systemctl lists it as running
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[15:08] <willmore> Does raspbian also do the hack where it touches a file before rebooting and then pulls the time from that on bootup?
[15:09] <Habbie> willmore, i think gordonDrogon said earlier today that it does
[15:09] <Habbie> willmore, i know i had one doing it but i wasn't sure i configured that myself
[15:09] <lastaid> i wrote a quick service that get a google.com header and parses the time ...
[15:09] * BurtyB recently found his old netgear was happily blocking ntp :(
[15:10] <Habbie> lastaid, apt-get install htpdate
[15:10] <willmore> Habbie, okay, I thought that was a standard Debian thing. wasn't sure if Raspbian kept it or did something else.
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[15:10] <lastaid> Habbie: is this what i just decripted?
[15:10] <lastaid> described
[15:11] <Habbie> lastaid, yes
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[15:11] <lastaid> well, lets call my nodejs butch job a learning experience then
[15:11] <GreeningGalaxy> NTP seems like the most pointlessly stupid thing to block
[15:12] <Habbie> lastaid, :)
[15:12] <lastaid> i am not doing the network config in here
[15:12] <lastaid> most things are broken. it's horrbile at times
[15:12] <lastaid> and i am doing a network service, distributed one ...
[15:13] <willmore> GreeningGalaxy, depends. There was a recent DDOS attack using nntp servers.
[15:13] <Habbie> ntp, not nntp :)
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[15:13] <Apocx> Pi Zero with WiFi and pads for a u.FL/IPEX connector. *finally*.
[15:13] <Habbie> using nntp for DDoS would be impressive
[15:14] <willmore> Habbie, sorry, type. ntp
[15:14] <BurtyB> Habbie, I don't know it did quite a good job of blocking the pipes a few years back ;)
[15:15] <willmore> Sadly, though, nntp is still alive.
[15:15] <lastaid> Habbie: thanks, now finally my makefiles will not constantly claim that i am a time traveler
[15:15] <Habbie> :)
[15:17] <Apocx> Now they just need a Pi Zero with eMMC :D
[15:17] <ali1234> it has eMMC
[15:18] <GreeningGalaxy> that's called a "Compute Module"
[15:18] <Apocx> it requires an SD Card, doesn't have onboard
[15:18] <Apocx> GreeningGalaxy: That's what I'm using currently
[15:19] <willmore> Apocx, Friendly Pi Neo?
[15:19] <Apocx> Still, be nice if they had a compute module esque Pi Zero that didn't require a carrier board
[15:19] <Apocx> Yeah I have one
[15:19] <ali1234> SD card or eMMC module, yes
[15:19] <willmore> Neo air if you want wireless.
[15:19] <Apocx> Have that too :)
[15:20] <willmore> Apocx, yay!
[15:20] <Apocx> Neat lilttle boards, I like them
[15:21] <willmore> I'm currently most fond of the Orange Pi PC2
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[15:21] <willmore> I've never felt the need for eMMC.
[15:21] <willmore> But I know a lot of people who do find it useful.
[15:21] <Apocx> I love eMMC modules.
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[15:22] <willmore> The ODROID folks seem to really love theirs. But, they use really good ones.
[15:22] <GreeningGalaxy> Orange Pi PC2 has a weird layout
[15:23] <willmore> GreeningGalaxy, you mean the slightly rotated CPU/DRAM?
[15:23] <GreeningGalaxy> that and the USB ports
[15:24] <willmore> You mean the 2+1 layout?
[15:24] <lastaid> rotated cpu+dram probably to match the vias?
[15:24] <willmore> lastaid, the SoC/DRAM layout can't be fiddled with due to trace length issues, so they rotated the whole thing to fit it on the board.
[15:25] <willmore> It does look a little funny, but if you've ever laid out a board you'll just nod and say 'whatever it takes to make it all fit'.
[15:25] <lastaid> we are talking about the orange pi, right?
[15:26] <GreeningGalaxy> fair enough
[15:26] <willmore> lastaid, yes, specifically the PC 2.
[15:26] <GreeningGalaxy> I've only built prototypes on perf so far, and there's not really any provision for non-orthogonal placement there
[15:26] <Apocx> Just weird looking causing it's such an arbitrary angle. You more often see 45-degrees or so
[15:26] <lastaid> aaah
[15:26] <lastaid> is see what you mean
[15:27] <lastaid> i was refering to the normal 45 deg angle on the first board ^^
[15:27] <willmore> https://linux-sunxi.org/images/thumb/8/86/OPi_PC_2_Top_small.jpg/120px-OPi_PC_2_Top_small.jpg
[15:27] <lastaid> and yes you are exactly right
[15:27] <willmore> lastaid, which one? the PC?
[15:28] <lastaid> yes.
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[15:28] <lastaid> allwinner probably has a pinout that makes it more sane to route hf vias this way?
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[15:28] <GreeningGalaxy> do these Allwinner SoCs have any kind of sleep state? that's one of my few remaining issues with the ones the RPi uses.
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[15:29] <willmore> lastaid, the SoC to DRAM layout is normally provided by the SoC vendor and highly tuned. If you don't have to, you don't want to mess with it.
[15:30] <willmore> GreeningGalaxy, yes. They actually have an OpenRISC core in them that can handle power management--it's power domain is separate from the CPU cores.
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[15:30] <willmore> lastaid, what's at 45 degrees? https://linux-sunxi.org/images/c/ce/Xunlong_OrangePi.png
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[15:31] <willmore> its, not it's. Sorry.
[15:32] <Apocx> Man, that linux-sunxi site does not want to load
[15:32] <willmore> Apocx, give it a minute. It's not a big server.
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[15:34] <GreeningGalaxy> willmore: coooool! I might need an orange pi.
[15:34] <willmore> GreeningGalaxy, the nice thing about the 3 USB ports on the PC and PC2 is that they all go directly to the SoC and don't share any bandwidth with anything.
[15:35] <oq> GreeningGalaxy: I've heard bad things about the orangepi and kernel updates
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[15:35] <GreeningGalaxy> willmore: wow nice
[15:35] <willmore> og specifically?
[15:36] <GreeningGalaxy> oq: that's to be expected, I suppose, nobody's going to match the reliability of the true RPi
[15:36] <manuelschneid3r> why does logging in via ssh key and root not work?
[15:36] <manuelschneid3r> (raspbian)
[15:36] <Habbie> manuelschneid3r, did you configure to allow it?
[15:36] <GreeningGalaxy> manuelschneid3r: you need PermitRootLogin or whateversuch in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[15:36] <willmore> GreeningGalaxy, I'm running mainline on all of my OrangePi boards. Not sure what's wrong with that? :)
[15:36] <shiftplusone> should be allowed by default. I think it was only password login that was disabled.
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[15:37] <willmore> manuelschneid3r, To aid debugging, what does work? Password login? Normal user login?
[15:37] <GreeningGalaxy> and what's this "upgrade key" thing on the orange pi boards?
[15:38] <manuelschneid3r> in sshd_config I set PermitRootLogin yes, in .ssh/config (client) I set the user (root), host and key to use. i trasnsferred this key with ssh-copy-id before. however I have to provide the password.
[15:38] <willmore> GreeningGalaxy, I'm not familiar with the term.
[15:38] <Habbie> manuelschneid3r, anything in auth.log on the target?
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[15:39] <GreeningGalaxy> http://www.orangepi.org/orangepiplus2/ bottom left corner of the diagram
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[15:39] <manuelschneid3r> Thank you didnt know of the auth.log "Authentication refused: bad ownership or modes for file /root/.ssh/authorized_keys". I moved them from user pi to root before.
[15:39] <manuelschneid3r> ty Habbie
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[15:40] <leftyfb> manuelschneid3r: you need to enable root login
[15:40] <leftyfb> manuelschneid3r: as in, set a password for root
[15:40] <mfa298> willmore: a lot of the non raspberry boards are made by chinese companies that want to make a quick buck so they put together a quick image usually with a fairly old linux kernel (often around 3.10/3.13) and it never gets updated or mainlined. There was also a bit exploit in them not that long ago - they put something in the kernel that make it easy to get root privs
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[15:40] <manuelschneid3r> works well now thank you all
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[15:43] <oq> anyone buying that new pi0 case?
[15:44] <oq> looks rather neat with the camera mount
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[15:44] <willmore> mfa298, I've never used the vendor images for the Orange boards as Armbian is way better--especially if you prefer mainline. But you have a good point. I'll counter it with the kernels that Hard Kernel provides. They have crusty old vendor provided kernels, but they maintain them with security patches and they're paying to have mainline support developed.
[15:45] <lastaid> willmore: http://www.orangepi.org/orangepipc/images/orangepipc_info.jpg
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[15:46] <willmore> GreeningGalaxy, Oh, that would be the FEL key. The built in ROM (BROM) of the Allwinner chips has a provision to boot over USB. If your eMMC is hosed, you can FEL boot the board by teathering it to a PC and feeding it code that way.
[15:47] <GreeningGalaxy> isn't that the "Recovery key"? I'm talking about the "upgrade key"
[15:47] <willmore> lastaid, you mean the 45 degree rotated processor? Yep, that's a trace routing issue. It's a common thing to do for high speed signal lines. All of the lines for the DRAM are on that quadrant of the SoC nearest the memory.
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[15:49] <lastaid> i was aware of the issue but not aware that manufacturers provide design files. thanks
[15:50] <willmore> GreeningGalaxy, I don't know. Let me go ask.
[15:50] <GreeningGalaxy> ok thanks
[15:51] <willmore> lastaid, as mfa298 points out, many of these boards are slapped together for very little cost. They tend to borrow very heavily on the vendor provided designs--both in hardware and in software. Customizations cost money and time.
[15:51] <lastaid> we have one engineer doing the tracing by hand for an FPGA, maybe there are some design files for this as well ^^
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[15:54] <willmore> lastaid, if it's for a memory interface, I would expect there's an application note or something with a layout in it.
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[16:03] <willmore> GreeningGalaxy, from what I can understand from talking to people and from reading the orange pi forum, it looks like it signals the uboot bootloader on the eMMC to put expose the eMMC as a mass storage drive over the USB port to a PC. That would let you then 'dd' in an image to the eMMC directly.
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[16:04] <GreeningGalaxy> so the recovery key is for booting without the eMMC, and the upgrade key is for accessing the eMMC without booting?
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[16:05] <GreeningGalaxy> nice, I was worried it was going to be some premium codec crap or something
[16:05] <willmore> The recovery key is to enter FEL mode. That lets a PC hooked to the board on the OTG port do lots of low level fiddling with the board (including loading software) but it uses an Allwinner specific protocol.
[16:06] <willmore> The upgrade key (when you reboot the machine) tells the bootloader to not boot but to put go into 'act like a flash drive' mode. That way a PC without the Allwinner specific FEL software can load software onto the eMMC.
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[16:07] <willmore> LOL, no, I've never heard of a board vendor doing that. With the obvious exception.
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[16:18] <GreeningGalaxy> Anyone here running Ubuntu MATE on a Pi3, and if so, have you had trouble with it randomly freezing solid?
[16:19] <GreeningGalaxy> as in, cursor stops moving, sound stops playing, ACT LED stops blinking, just frozen in time until you pull the plug
[16:20] <GreeningGalaxy> sometimes, weirdly enough, I've actually had loading animations (e.g. the chrome tab loading wheel) keep running when that happens, but the mouse is still frozen, ACT is still stopped, and it doesn't respond to any keyboard input
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[16:20] <EnrgySmth> GreeningGalaxy: I have had that with regular Raspbian
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[16:20] <GreeningGalaxy> hmm
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[16:21] <GreeningGalaxy> I've never had that happen in raspbian.
[16:21] <oq> well raspbian does use a forked lxde... mate is somewhat heavier
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[16:22] <GreeningGalaxy> "heavy" is one thing. "bricks the whole system" is quite another.
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[16:23] <oq> I'm still in the mindset that pi's don't make good desktops so mine don't run a DE at all
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[16:23] <ali1234> same
[16:24] <ali1234> they are just too slow for interactive desktop
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[16:24] <jubalh> hi
[16:24] <oq> hi
[16:25] <GreeningGalaxy> I've not had that impression at all from my Pi 3s. I have several at school that run Raspbian with MATE and have no trouble at all. They've got months of uptime with no problems, and run responsively.
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[16:27] <shiftplusone> depends on what you run
[16:27] <shauno> I'm still convinced linux doesn't make good desktops, period. hampering it in hardware really doesn't help
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[16:27] <bantone> i just bought some equipment to make a 6 node pi cluster
[16:27] <bantone> shauno: for most people yes
[16:28] <bantone> I use arch linux + i3 on my personal laptop
[16:28] <GreeningGalaxy> the heaviest thing is Chromium, which runs fine under Raspbian MATE but causes the most freezes under Ubuntu
[16:28] <bantone> it's great for my needs but yeah I like a macbook or something
[16:28] <Apocx> Linux makes amazing headless clients though! :D
[16:28] <shiftplusone> by certain standards, good desktops don't exist, it's just a matter of which annoyances you're willing to deal with.
[16:28] <jubalh> i am looking for a 10" display to build some todo list which i want to have in the kitchen. if not used i want to use it as a photo frame. however i am still not sure on what display to take. found quite a lot with bad reviews..
[16:29] <GreeningGalaxy> I've run Linux as my main desktop driver for years and I'm not about to leave anytime soon, especially with OSX and Windows getting more astonishingly terrible with each passing update.
[16:29] <oq> jubalh: what about the official one?
[16:29] <ali1234> jubalh: if 7" display would be acceptable, get the official one
[16:29] <ali1234> if you must have 10" then you need to look for a HDMI monitor
[16:29] <ali1234> preferably one with VGA mount which you can attach the pi to
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[16:30] <Habbie> VESA mount i presume
[16:30] <ali1234> yeah thats the one
[16:30] <oq> the official one has lots of cases available for it, so you could mount it to the wall
[16:30] <yumbox> I'm not sure who tried to help me with getting ssh to work on the rpi?
[16:30] <scottjl> if you need 10" get one of these. i have one in my icade cabinet
[16:30] <Habbie> yumbox, doesn't matter, we are all helpful here
[16:31] <jubalh> scottjl: one of which?
[16:31] <yumbox> But I found out that to get ssh working with a direct connection on the rpi, you need to use a special address range for direction connections.
[16:31] <scottjl> https://is.gd/zzU2bk
[16:31] <Habbie> yumbox, 169.254
[16:31] <jubalh> oq, ali1234 yeah 10" would be nicer than 7 i guess :)
[16:31] <Habbie> yumbox, or fe80
[16:31] <oq> direct connection?
[16:31] <Habbie> oq, 'without DHCP' i am guessing
[16:31] <oq> so a crossover cable?
[16:31] <yumbox> 169.254.x.x, indeed
[16:31] <Habbie> oq, not necessary these days usually, but that's the idea
[16:31] <yumbox> oq: with a normal cable
[16:31] <scottjl> hooks up via standard hdmi. so no funny compatibiltiy issues
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[16:32] <oq> yumbox: so pi -ethernet-> laptop?
[16:32] <jubalh> scottjl: hmm i guess thats not available on amazon.de :)
[16:32] <yumbox> and I also figured out that to set the ip on the rpi, you need to append `ip=x.x.x.x` to /boot/cmdline.txt
[16:32] <jubalh> would have prefered that though
[16:32] <yumbox> oq: yes
[16:32] <scottjl> maybe, search amazon i guess. but i ordered mine from aliexpress. their prices tend to be better than amazon
[16:33] <jubalh> ok
[16:33] <Habbie> yumbox, that's one way, not the only way though
[16:33] <jubalh> thanks
[16:33] <scottjl> shipping just takes a little longer
[16:33] <oq> just put a static ip on each within the same subnet and hope your device supports auto mdi-x
[16:33] <yumbox> and that you don't need to edit /etc/network/interfaces or /etc/dhcpcd.conf
[16:33] <oq> no special ip neccessary
[16:34] <Habbie> oq, the pi does auto mdi-x in any case
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[16:34] <yumbox> and yes, I needed to set my laptop to an ip in 169.254.x.y with x the same as the rpi and y different from the rpi
[16:34] <Habbie> you shouldn't have to set it
[16:34] <Habbie> it should do that automatically
[16:35] <oq> that 169.254.*.* is one of those addresses windows machines use if dhcp is borked
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[16:35] <Habbie> not just windows
[16:35] <oq> just use any static ip within the same subnet, ie 10.0.0.1 for your desktop and 10.0.0.2 for your pi
[16:35] <jubalh> oq: the official one with a nice case are on amazon.de for 109 EUR ( https://www.amazon.de/Raspberry-Pi-Touchscreen-Gehäuse-transparent/dp/B01M0AT5O5/ref=pd_lpo_147_tr_img_3?_encoding=UTF8&refRID=ACG49KWFN8GKWNY848CW&th=1 ) but only 800x480 :/
[16:36] <yumbox> oq: no, that doesn't work.
[16:37] <oq> yumbox: it should
[16:37] <yumbox> it must be 169.254.x.x with direct connection
[16:37] <Habbie> no
[16:37] <Habbie> oq is right
[16:37] <oq> who told you that?
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[16:37] <yumbox> im talking specifically about direct connection
[16:37] <Habbie> if you configure it manually, DO NOT use 169.254
[16:37] <Habbie> that's a rule
[16:37] <oq> so I am
[16:37] <oq> *am I
[16:38] <yumbox> well, that's the only way I got it to work
[16:38] <Habbie> 169.254 gets assigned automatically if there is no DHCP
[16:38] <Habbie> yumbox, but it's wrong :)
[16:38] <yumbox> no
[16:38] <oq> yumbox: do you know how to configue a static address for an interface?
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[16:43] <yumbox> Habbie: http://unix.stackexchange.com/a/268747
[16:44] <yumbox> The block 169.254.0.0/16 is reserved for this purpose, with the exception of the first and the last /24 subnets in the range. If a host on an IEEE 802 (ethernet) network cannot obtain a network address via DHCP, an address from 169.254.1.0 to 169.254.254.255 may be assigned pseudorandomly.
[16:44] <Habbie> yes
[16:44] <Habbie> that's wrong
[16:44] <Habbie> well that bit is correct
[16:44] <Habbie> but the advice is wrong
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[16:44] <yumbox> it was the only thing that worked for me
[16:44] <Habbie> i believe it worked
[16:45] <oq> "when Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol (DHCP) services are not available and manual configuration by a network administrator is not desirable"
[16:45] <Habbie> i do not believe it is the only thing that can work
[16:45] <oq> manual configuration IS desirable in this instance
[16:45] <Habbie> oq, and then it immediately goes on to configure it manually :)
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[16:45] <willmore> shauno, I've been running Linux on my desktop of many years. Can't say that I miss windows.
[16:45] <yumbox> i spent hours trying to get it working, and the post made me able to ssh into the rpi.
[16:46] <oq> if you can't wrap your head around a static address then you could install a dhcp server on either machine
[16:46] <yumbox> that's all I wanted to share with the guy that helped me a few hours ago.
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[16:47] <willmore> jubalh, the pannels from the iPad are popular. They're a bit smaller than 10", though.
[16:48] <willmore> If you can't reach the DHCP server, chances are you're not plugged into the network--or something else serious has goine wrong.
[16:49] <oq> willmore: he wanted to connect a pi to a computer via ethernet without a router
[16:49] <oq> a simple thing to do if you're just willing to setup static addresses
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[16:51] <willmore> oq, makes sense, then.
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[17:07] <Hanonim> is oracle jdk 8 still a much better choice than openjdk 8 on the rpi ?
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[17:12] <oq> Hanonim: I would avoid anything oracle tbh
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[17:16] <zer0her0> man ANOTHER RPi board, they really seem to be picking up the pace as of late
[17:17] <zZap-X> does the rpi have a hwclock?
[17:17] <zZap-X> hwclock: cannot open /dev/rtc: No such file or directory
[17:17] <oq> zer0her0: they probably felt a little heat from the c.h.i.p :P
[17:17] <oq> zZap-X: no rtc on pis
[17:18] <zZap-X> ok so rpi doesnt have a hwclock at all?
[17:18] <oq> zZap-X: there are gpio hats
[17:18] <zZap-X> aye ok thanks
[17:19] <zZap-X> when i try and set the time with ntpd nothing changes straight away, i think it could take a long time before it syncs the time
[17:19] <zer0her0> oq: truth, for my latest project i was actually going back and forth between the two (i.e. zero and CHIP).
[17:19] <oq> it *should* auto sync when it boots
[17:19] <zZap-X> only ntpdate auto syncs straight away
[17:20] <zZap-X> maybe i could execute ntpdate before ntpd starts
[17:20] <zZap-X> that might be the solution
[17:20] <gordonDrogon> zZap-X, no-stop.
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[17:20] <gordonDrogon> didn't we just talk about this an hour ago?
[17:20] <gordonDrogon> if you think you need ntpdate, then something is wrong.
[17:20] <Trel> Is anyone using Raspbian on a RPi3 and can check somethign for me with packages?
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[17:20] <gordonDrogon> 12 million others Pi's connected to the internet get their date/time set at boot time via ntpd - automatically.
[17:21] <oq> zer0her0: now we just need a pi0 with built-in support for a lipo
[17:21] <ali1234> ntpd straight up does not work on my pi
[17:21] <gordonDrogon> zZap-X, unless you're not running raspbian ...
[17:21] <ali1234> i removed it and switched to systemd-timesyncd, which does
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[17:21] <gordonDrogon> uh. systemd ... it's probably blocking ntpd these days )-:
[17:21] <zer0her0> oq: oh good point, yea still looks like the CHIP works out for the project I want, thanks for reminding me
[17:22] <ali1234> no, i think ntpd is just broken
[17:22] <Hanonim> oq: i know... but openjdk seems to be an order of magnitude slower than oracle jdk, at least in "old" benchmarks
[17:22] <gordonDrogon> how can it just break? it's nearly 30 years old...
[17:23] <ali1234> it isnt designed to be used on systems with no rtc
[17:23] <Habbie> Trel, what do you want checked? i'm on a 2 here but just ask your question
[17:23] <ali1234> i think the actual reason why it doesn't work is because it has no mechanism to wait for an internet connection at startup
[17:24] <ali1234> so you have a race condition between the network coming up and ntpd starting
[17:24] <gordonDrogon> ali1234, the -g option was designed for that case.
[17:24] <Habbie> ali1234, both ntpd -g and timesyncd work for me without trouble
[17:24] <willmore> zZap-X, yes, that's how you do it. ntpdate gets you close and ntpd keeps you on track.
[17:24] <gordonDrogon> ntpdate is deprecated now - I don't even have it installed.
[17:24] <ali1234> my ntpd doesn't have any -g
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[17:25] <zZap-X> willmore: ace works
[17:25] <willmore> gordonDrogon, what do you do for the initial time estimate
[17:25] <gordonDrogon> willmore, I don't care about that - hwclock sets it to the time of last shutdown - ntpd gets kicked off as soon as their is Internet
[17:25] <Hanonim> is anyone running java on the rpi?
[17:26] <willmore> Which will fail if it's been off for over 24 hours as ntpd will refuse to update the clock if it's that far off.
[17:26] <gordonDrogon> gordon@weather:~/weather$ ps ax | grep ntp
[17:26] <gordonDrogon> 1369 ? Ss 4:08 /usr/sbin/ntpd -p /var/run/ntpd.pid -g -u 106:111
[17:26] <gordonDrogon> willmore, -g
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[17:27] <gordonDrogon> you're really *really* not going to tell me that the existing 12-13 million Pi's have only just discovered this .... Nope. Nothing like this has happened for the past 5 years of Pi life.
[17:27] <willmore> So that makes ntpd into ntpdate.
[17:27] <willmore> LOL
[17:28] <gordonDrogon> willmore, that's the intention- to deprecate ntpdate .. for a good number of years now.
[17:28] <gordonDrogon> even my devian wheezy systems don't run ntpdate.
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[17:28] <zZap-X> good old slackware arm remains nice and vanilla
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[17:29] <zZap-X> no pam, no selinux, no systemd, no pulseaudio
[17:29] <zZap-X> perfect :D
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[17:29] <oq> gordonDrogon: I'd imagine a great deal of that 12 million just wouldn't care if their time/date was wrong
[17:30] <Trel> Habbie I wanted to know if there's an official (and working) MongoDB-Server package in the repo.
[17:30] <gordonDrogon> oq, don't you believe that.
[17:30] <Trel> For the Pi3
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[17:30] <Habbie> Trel, like 99% of raspbian, it has a rebuild of the mongodb packages from debian stable
[17:31] <Habbie> Version: 1:2.4.10-5
[17:31] <gordonDrogon> zZap-X, now you tell us - well, dump ntpdate and get ntpd to start with the -g flag.
[17:31] <redrabbit> Raspberry Pi Zero W < WANT
[17:31] <redrabbit> is there pre order available
[17:31] <Trel> Habbie But it has it? when I last used the Pi2 there wasn't one and there was a hackish way to do it, but it was VERY unstable.
[17:31] <oq> redrabbit: pimoroni still has stock
[17:31] <redrabbit> Pi Zero W
[17:31] <gordonDrogon> redrabbit, there is real order, no need to pre-order ...
[17:31] <redrabbit> not Pi Zero
[17:31] <Chillum> Raspberry Pi Zero W? You still can't get the Raspberry Pi Zero in quantity!
[17:32] <zZap-X> gordonDrogon: mine starts with -4 -g flags already
[17:32] <redrabbit> i have two pi0 already
[17:32] <redrabbit> i want the pi0w
[17:32] <oq> redrabbit: what makes you think I meant pi zero?
[17:32] <redrabbit> oq: for real they have em
[17:32] <redrabbit> sweet
[17:32] <Chillum> ahhh, the W has wifi, that makes sense
[17:32] <oq> redrabbit: https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/raspberry-pi-zero-w
[17:32] <Chillum> I imagine they nerfed the serial in that one too
[17:33] <gordonDrogon> Chillum, huh?
[17:33] <redrabbit> oq: thanks
[17:33] <ali1234> he is refering to the fact that serial is used for bluetooth-uart
[17:33] <redrabbit> ordering one straight up
[17:33] <Chillum> on the pi 3 they put the hardware serial on the BT
[17:33] <Chillum> I think
[17:33] <ali1234> and probably doesnt understand that you can turn it off if you dont want to use it
[17:34] <Chillum> I use the serial on the GPIO and it is not the same on the 3
[17:34] <oq> redrabbit: note, the old pibow case won't fit
[17:34] <Chillum> Can that be fixed? I thought it was hard wired
[17:34] <gordonDrogon> I've never used BT, so no idea what that's about.
[17:34] <redrabbit> noted
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[17:34] <ali1234> yes, it can be fixed
[17:34] <oq> redrabbit: https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/pibow-zero-w
[17:34] <Chillum> ali1234: good news thanks
[17:34] <mfa298> Chillum: you can set the uart back with a dt profile/overlay if you dont need bt
[17:35] <Chillum> glad to hear that
[17:35] <Chillum> I thought they had wired it or something
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[17:36] <oq> I wonder if the hdmi license costs them more on the pi0w because they took the logo off
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[17:38] <Chillum> worth it
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[17:40] <oq> oh no, they just moved it to the underside
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[17:41] <Chillum> of course the only ones in stock are with kits including a bunch of overpriced stuff I don't need
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[17:41] <Habbie> Trel, yes, it has it
[17:41] <Habbie> Trel, how long ago did you check?
[17:41] <Chillum> "We agreed not to charge more than $10." "Okay, lets bundle it with $8 worth of stuff and charge $27 for it"
[17:42] <oq> Chillum: I bought a pi0w + the new official case bundle from thepihut earlier but they're out of stock now
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[17:42] <ali1234> wah wah wah
[17:42] <ali1234> pimoroni still has stock
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[17:42] <Chillum> ali1234: excellent impression of me
[17:44] <oq> Chillum: if pimoroni etc couldn't sell bundles they wouldn't sell the pi0 at all, there's no profit in it for them otherwise
[17:44] <Chillum> thanks for the pimoroni tip, just ordered one
[17:45] <zer0her0> what's annoying is most shops seem to always have those bundles in stock but not the bare boards.
[17:45] <oq> yep
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[17:45] <Chillum> $16.77 shipped
[17:47] <oq> noice
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[17:47] <Chillum> I don't mind using a wifi dongle, but those micro to full usb adapters are really not great
[17:48] <Chillum> so on board wifi makes great sense for the pi zero
[17:48] <zer0her0> agreed. while i want a zer0 just for the collection, i think the W is what will actually go into projects going forward
[17:48] <oq> no aerial tho
[17:49] <oq> *aerial connector
[17:49] <Chillum> meh
[17:49] <Chillum> I ave about 4 of the originals, and 2 with the camera port
[17:49] <Chillum> getting the collection
[17:49] <zer0her0> was going to say, it's right along the "front" edge of the board. Does the 3 have one?
[17:49] <zer0her0> connector that is
[17:49] <oq> zer0her0: nope
[17:49] <Chillum> will be rare items soon
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[17:50] <Qatz> How does OTG on 0w work if it has a usb wifi on it?
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[17:50] <gordonDrogon> it's not USB.
[17:50] <zer0her0> yea i only have a RPi 1 B 1.1
[17:50] <Qatz> Oh
[17:50] <Chillum> I have an A, and B, a B+ an 2B
[17:50] <Qatz> Well that's good
[17:50] <Chillum> one 3
[17:50] <gordonDrogon> Qatz, it's the same as the Pi v3 - it uses an sdio port on the SoC.
[17:50] <Qatz> Nice
[17:51] <zer0her0> have they discontinued the A series w/ the zero? just realized I haven't seen any A's in a while
[17:51] <zZap-X> the thing i dislike about the pizero is that there is always soldering involved
[17:51] * gordonDrogon looks at 2 x A+ Pi's and an old A on his desk ... )-:
[17:51] <zer0her0> good learning experience, keep those lazy kids learning ;)
[17:51] <shauno> the thing I like about the zero is that there's always soldering involved ;)
[17:51] <zZap-X> haha
[17:51] <Chillum> I can use the onboard wifi for signal strength measurements, a wifi dongle for active extraction of wpa handshakes, and a gpio serial GPS module for mapping
[17:51] <oq> zer0her0: some of us have been hoping for a pi3a for a while now...
[17:51] <zZap-X> its ok if you can solder
[17:52] <Chillum> pin header is really easy to solder
[17:52] <zZap-X> not if your me
[17:52] <gordonDrogon> there is a "hammer" header for them now though ...
[17:52] <zZap-X> the pin header should be slot on without soldering
[17:52] <zer0her0> what does the A offer that the zero doesn't? (haven't really done a feature comparison lately)
[17:52] <Chillum> nope
[17:52] <Chillum> by not soldering something on it gives builders more options
[17:52] <gordonDrogon> you gently tap the headers in with a hammer ...
[17:52] <zZap-X> aye true
[17:53] <gordonDrogon> zer0her0, on-board audio + compost video output
[17:53] <oq> doesn't the pi0 have composite video via some of the gpio pins
[17:53] <Chillum> I spent so long lamenting about boards that did not come with pin header, but when I actually tried to solder them I got it right away
[17:53] <Chillum> I just watched a few youtube videos on it first
[17:53] <shauno> and a full 'hat' footprint
[17:53] <gordonDrogon> zer0her0, DSI port too.
[17:53] <zer0her0> and why would you want an A and not a B?
[17:53] <gordonDrogon> zer0her0, price.
[17:53] <oq> zer0her0: it was slightly cheaper, slightly smaller
[17:54] <zer0her0> gotcha.
[17:54] <Chillum> I love how the zero has a flat bottom. It means you can glue another flat bottomed board to the bottom and attach to GPIOs making for a tiny project
[17:54] <zer0her0> thanks for educating me :)
[17:54] <gordonDrogon> aaaaannnnddddd.... it's a bit of a nod to the old BBC Micro - Model B and A ... the A was slightly lesser features, but cheaper.
[17:54] <Chillum> I wish the other pis came without header installed
[17:54] <Chillum> it is such a pain to remove
[17:54] <shauno> I think the main benefit of the A now is continuity. for some uses it's nice to have a target that doesn't move every few months
[17:55] <zer0her0> ah right right, being an american that grew up in "IBM valley" during the 80-90s we didn't see ANY BBC Micros and very few Apples
[17:56] <oq> zer0her0: no spectrums either?
[17:56] <zZap-X> how about c64
[17:56] <gordonDrogon> Spectrum -> Timex in the US, I think.
[17:56] <gordonDrogon> although I think the C64, etc. were much more popular.
[17:56] <zer0her0> yea never saw a timex, and only seen the spectrum via the internet years later
[17:57] <gordonDrogon> I had access to an Apple II in 78... the rest, as they say, is history :-)
[17:57] <shauno> you didn't miss much. I absolutely hated the spectrum lol
[17:57] <zer0her0> I think the C64 was a bit before my time. and only new of Amiga's through the handful of magazines for them in the local book shop
[17:57] <zZap-X> rubber keys and a horrible video chip
[17:57] <zZap-X> lol
[17:57] <zer0her0> s/new/knew/
[17:57] <gordonDrogon> zZap-X, but for the time and the price ...
[17:57] <zZap-X> c64 was way ahead of its time
[17:58] <gordonDrogon> the c64 was just a PET with colour...
[17:58] <shauno> yeah. that keyboard brings back nightmares. and the idea of each key being a macro, or something (?), drove me nuts
[17:58] <zZap-X> gordonDrogon: the c64 was a enhanced version of the vic20
[17:58] <gordonDrogon> all based on the PET though.
[17:58] <zZap-X> aye
[17:59] <gordonDrogon> I did use a PET once - an early one with the 'calculator' keyboard.
[17:59] <gordonDrogon> who'd have though that type of keys would come back into fashion ...
[17:59] <gordonDrogon> although they space them out a bit more these days ...
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[18:07] <Simonious> what is the version of raspbian called with no UI included?
[18:07] <Simonious> *GUI
[18:07] <oq> Simonious: lite
[18:07] <Simonious> ty
[18:08] <oq> Simonious: make sure to create a blank file called ssh in the boot partition if you intent to ssh in
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[18:09] <instigator> Hello, while browsing the raspberry pi 3 on RS Components (http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/processor-microcontroller-development-kits/8968660/), I noticed "SBC" in Raspberry Pi 3 Model B SBC. What does SBC stand for?
[18:10] <Simonious> oq: I may have done some ssh setup at one point last week or two weeks ago, I'm not sure.. I don't remember doing that and I've been sshing in. Does that mean I'm fine, or should I still do this?
[18:10] * Simonious goes to look
[18:10] <oq> instigator: single board computer
[18:10] <YuGiOhJCJ> instigator, single board computer
[18:10] <instigator> thanks
[18:10] <Simonious> oq there is no file 'ssh' in /boot
[18:10] <oq> Simonious: it means you're fine
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[18:11] <Simonious> oq: what was that step about?
[18:11] <oq> Simonious: in recent versions of raspbian they changed it so ssh is off by default, the ssh file in /boot is just a way of setting up headlessly
[18:11] <Simonious> ahh..
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[18:11] <Simonious> I *think* I may have used a terminal menu setup to enable ssh server
[18:11] <Simonious> again... it all blends together sometimes.
[18:12] <oq> Simonious: yeah, you can also do that
[18:12] <oq> it just requires a monitor/keyboard to do it that way
[18:12] * Simonious nods
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[18:12] <Simonious> I've got that on the raspi for the moment
[18:12] <Simonious> it won't likely live that way
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[18:13] <Simonious> oh here is a question.. I've got raspis, BBGs and BBBs.. like them all, might even prefer the BBB/BBG IF it had 4x USB ports like the raspi. anyway the question is this:
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[18:14] <Simonious> A friend of mine is convinced that BB* is more reliable than the Raspi.. He claims his reading on the internet has led him to believe it's a less crashy device - thoughts on the accuracy of this belief?
[18:14] <oq> bbb = beaglebone?
[18:14] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Dubious at best, did he source his information from 2012?
[18:15] <methuzla> oq: yes. b = black. g = green.
[18:15] <Gadgetoid_Pim> The Pi seems to have a lot of buzz about corrupt SD cards, but frankly I've never seen anything to suggest the problem is anywhere near as bad as the internet would have you believe
[18:15] <oq> the pis in one way are more.. fragile.. the sd card
[18:16] <oq> nand is better than sd imo
[18:16] <YuGiOhJCJ> Simonious, I think crashes depend more on the operating system used than the hardware
[18:16] <Gadgetoid_Pim> oq, I don't understand why people say that
[18:16] <Simonious> YuGiOhJCJ: I tend to think that's the thing too
[18:16] <Simonious> oq: Yes, beaglebone
[18:16] <Gadgetoid_Pim> I've used dozens upon dozens of Pi's for timescales stretching from hours to years and had very, very few corrupt SD cards
[18:16] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Even over multiple brownouts, hard powering off, etc
[18:17] <Simonious> I actually only run my BB* on SDcards, because if/when they go bad I can just swap
[18:17] <Simonious> if the internal fails, it's gone, so I use it ONLY as a kind of recovery OS
[18:17] <Gadgetoid_Pim> I like the BeagleBone Black, though
[18:17] <Simonious> Gadgetoid_Pim: what is the secret to not corrupting SDcards? I HAVE corrupted several on both BB* and Pi
[18:18] <oq> Simonious: read only filesystem can help
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[18:18] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Simonious, what is the secret to corrupting them? I don't think I do anything special!
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[18:18] <Simonious> Gadgetoid_Pim: dunno.. I had a BBB that failed about once a week last year
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[18:18] <Simonious> Gadgetoid_Pim: ultimately I think it ended up corrupted 3 sdcards so bad I couldn't ever use them again
[18:19] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Just... bizarre
[18:19] <Simonious> and.. I've got a BBB on my desk running headless (I know, should use the BBG), and it's been running over 100 days
[18:19] <YuGiOhJCJ> BBB means Raspberry Pi 3 model B?
[18:19] <Gadgetoid_Pim> We have Pi's running out shop postroom, being turned on and off 5 days a week, running from SD cards... no problems
[18:19] <Simonious> in fact. I keep a screen session running there so I can connect to it from wherever - and I'm chatting to you on that session right now
[18:19] <Gadgetoid_Pim> It must be a mix of really heavy IO and power failure, perhaps?
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[18:19] <Simonious> BBB = beagle bone black
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[18:20] <Gadgetoid_Pim> And not "shut down carefully" turned on and off, I mean "powered off from the switch at the wall with the rest of the room" turned on and off
[18:20] <shiftplusone> The secret is not to cheap out on sd cards, not to buy Pro Xtreme Gamer X Titan Special Edition Class 20 cards and to have a decent power supply and cable.
[18:20] <Simonious> Gadgetoid_Pim: power failure yes, heavy IO.. well no, I actually had a USB memory stick mapped to the data aquisition activity to protect the SDcad.
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[18:20] <Gadgetoid_Pim> We use our stock NOOBS cards almost exclusively, unless there happens to be a random one knocking about
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[18:21] <Simonious> Gadgetoid_Pim: I run NILFS on my USB sticks, what FS do you like?
[18:21] <oq> noobs kinda sucks though
[18:21] <shiftplusone> IF you don't like NOOBS, you just flash the image over it... the sd card is still as good.
[18:21] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Simonious, I'm totally not opinionated- whatever the heck flavour of Ext Jessie defaults to
[18:22] * Simonious nods
[18:22] <Simonious> nilfs is 'supposed' to make best use of the USB memory stick hardware
[18:22] <Simonious> which again is just for data collection
[18:22] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Like I said, I've never done anything special
[18:22] <Simonious> ^
[18:22] <Simonious> whatever
[18:22] <Simonious> don't take that out of contxt ;)
[18:22] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Which is truly perplexing :D
[18:23] <Simonious> alright.. need to get this pi taling rs485 via USB dongle - unless there is a better way?
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[18:24] <Gadgetoid_Pim> A small sample of my SD card collection: https://twitter.com/Gadgetoid/status/833656300034732032
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[18:25] <Simonious> I know the feeling, though you have it a touch worse than I do
[18:25] <Simonious> What is that one that says pr0n all about?
[18:26] <Gadgetoid_Pim> It's probably Public Release 0. Version N. Naturally.
[18:26] <Simonious> ;P
[18:26] <Simonious> Nice!
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[19:07] <Simonious> tried to install screen on raspbian lite, it wanted to do some mysql setup and.. then an explosion of unhappiness happened: http://pastebin.com/Yi6GqqL6 help
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[19:08] <EDinNY> Simonious, did you do an apt-get upgrade and dist-upgrade yet?
[19:08] <Simonious> EDinNY: I think so, doing that
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[19:09] <EDinNY> It takes a while! After that you might have the deps and versions correct.
[19:09] <Simonious> thanks
[19:10] <Simonious> getting a lot of these: Err http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ jessie/main libisc-export95 armhf 1:9.9.5.dfsg-9+deb8u9
[19:10] <Simonious> 404 Not Found [IP: 93.93.128.193 80]
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[19:10] <Simonious> looks like it found a mirror it likes
[19:10] <ShorTie> did you do a 'apt-get update' ??
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[19:10] <Simonious> hmm, but not for that file
[19:11] <EDinNY> I figured that if he was getting anything updated that he must have
[19:11] <Simonious> ShorTie: again I thought so, but that's always a wise thing to start with
[19:11] <ShorTie> that is like a system thing that should be done 1st before other apt-get stuff
[19:11] * Simonious nods
[19:12] <Simonious> lets assume I didn't do it yet I guess, doing it.
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[19:13] <oq> Simonious: you can put them on the same line with &&, like "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade"
[19:14] <Simonious> huh, I always do ; ; ;
[19:14] <EDinNY> Takes time. Go get a cup of coffee...then another.
[19:14] <Simonious> heh, it's not a coffee day for me, I know sacrilidge, the office even has pretty dang good coffee
[19:14] <Simonious> I just don't hit it every day
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[19:21] <oq> I drink coffee everyday and then wonder why it stops working
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[19:24] <brainzap> time to switch to harder stuff, try some tea
[19:24] <oq> tea makes me nauseous :/
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[19:33] <Simonious> http://pastebin.com/MXH636AV What is this? Do I quit? do I wait?
[19:34] <oq> Simonious: you're supposed to read it and then press q
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[19:36] <Simonious> ok, the pi started on fire, what next?
[19:36] <oq> pour bicarbonate of soda on it
[19:36] <Simonious> By the way, this is what I'm chatting to you on:
[19:37] <Simonious> https://goo.gl/photos/rfX1fqwunTXFHybV9
[19:37] <methuzla> sudo systemctl stop fire.service
[19:37] <Simonious> methuzla: thanks, that seems to have worked.
[19:38] <Simonious> This WAS my uptime, but I had to reboot a week or two ago to use the BBB for something else for a day:
[19:38] <Simonious> https://goo.gl/photos/oHx9obSPKjEmejrt5
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[19:43] <dreamon> hello. Im running PI3 in textmode, no gui. Is it possible to turn monitor signal off and on by command? pi should go on running also when screen is off.
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[19:45] <nevodka> so
[19:45] <nevodka> where would one buy these new $10 pi zeros with wireless chips in bulk?
[19:45] <zer0her0> never never land.
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[19:45] <oq> nevodka: send an email to the raspberrypi foundation
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[19:51] <Simonious> http://pastebin.com/gJWf33VN doing the update stuff.. saw some errors roll by: http://pastebin.com/gJWf33VN
[19:51] <oq> dreamon: /opt/vc/bin/tvservice ?
[19:51] <Simonious> These are the same errors I'm getting when I try to install screen
[19:52] <dreamon> oq, dont understand..
[19:53] <oq> dreamon: I think running "/opt/vc/bin/tvservice -o" will turn hdmi off
[19:54] <Simonious> and.. the upgrade bailed: http://pastebin.com/SPQD2BS3
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[19:55] <Simonious> love that ssl cert.. snakeoil.pem
[19:55] <Simonious> something seems dodgy
[19:55] <dreamon> oq, that works. how can I bring it back?
[19:56] <oq> dreamon: try "/opt/vc/bin/tvservice -p"
[19:57] <dreamon> oq, screen comes back but no content in it.
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[19:58] <oq> dreamon: do you normally use any specific hdmi configuration like in the config.txt?
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[19:58] <dreamon> oq, no not really.
[19:58] <oq> hmm weird
[19:59] <dreamon> oq, /opt/vc/bin/tvservice -p → Powering on HDMI with preferred settings
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[20:00] <BetaSoul> Hey happy hackers. Any one gotten the default VNC server to allow connects from systems OTHER than realVNC, named the default remote desktop client in ubuntu?
[20:01] <oq> dreamon: try sudo chv6 and then sudo chv7
[20:02] <dreamon> oq, I remove screensaver.. with different methodes.. maybe this is the reason?
[20:02] <Habbie> oq, what's chv6?
[20:02] <oq> dreamon: no, I'm reading this thread, where people seem to have the same issue and have a solution, https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=7570
[20:02] <dreamon> chv6 and chv7 is not found
[20:03] <oq> sorry that was chvt6
[20:03] <oq> oh and a space
[20:03] <oq> :/
[20:03] <oq> so "chvt 6"
[20:04] <Habbie> ah!
[20:04] <Habbie> makes sense now
[20:04] <oq> Habbie: it's switching between terminals so it forces a refresh
[20:04] <Habbie> yes, am aware
[20:04] <Habbie> although last time i used it 'refresh' was not really a thing
[20:04] <Habbie> as i didn't use the framebuffer ;)
[20:06] <BetaSoul> Okay, now I'm just confused.
[20:06] <EDinNY> Simonious, have you solved that problem with Screen? If you google "install screen raspberry pi errors", you will find other people had issues. I did not read enough articles to see if they solved it.
[20:07] <dreamon> oq, That works!! Thanks
[20:08] <BetaSoul> I've treid with and without encryption, eveyrthing I can think of. I can connect via a REALVNC client, but I can't trust that I'll always have said client.
[20:08] <Simonious> EDinNY: everything including the apt-get update had the same errors with mysql
[20:09] <Simonious> so...
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[20:09] <Simonious> I think I may just reinstall raspian lite and see if things improve
[20:10] <Simonious> in fact.. I think I'll install it hot just for fun - I'm grabbing the image onto the USB stick and then I'm gonna dd it right OVER the running OS on the sdcard ;) This usually works for me on the beaglebones, so we'll see what happens.. obviously if it fails I'll do the write on another machine
[20:10] <EnrgySmth> There is a huge outage on the east coast - Anything hosted by amazon is having problems. I wonder if that could be affecting the availability of resources?
[20:10] <Simonious> :D
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[20:12] <BetaSoul> Any ideas, any one?
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[20:18] <BetaSoul> So, its something with VNC server.
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[20:22] <BetaSoul> Found it! Had to turn on VNC password
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[20:23] <nmschulte> I have a RPi3 and some of the CSI cameras for it; I was under the impression that the camera was supported by the Video4Linux codes, but it seems it's different?
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[20:23] <nmschulte> I'm hoping to simply stream the feed from the camera (raspivid?) to a ZoneMinder server; without running ZoneMinder on the RPi.
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[20:24] <nmschulte> Can I use raspivid and e.g. ffmpeg or vlc or ??? to achieve this? I only need it on a high-speed LAN at the moment, so we can ignore secuirty concerns and the like.
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[20:41] <redrabbit> should be possible nmschulte
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[20:57] <waveform> nmschulte, you can use raspivid or v4l - in order to use the latter you need to run "sudo modprobe bcm2835-v4l2" first to load the v4l driver
[20:58] <waveform> (I think that's the right module name anyway)
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[21:00] <waveform> I've no idea what sort of format zoneminder accepts but if it'll take an H264 stream or something similar it shouldn't be too hard to set something up
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[21:01] <redrabbit> https://github.com/mpromonet/v4l2rtspserver i use this
[21:02] <redrabbit> no idea about zoneminder compatibility
[21:05] * redrabbit ordered the zero W
[21:05] <redrabbit> can't wait
[21:05] <redrabbit> :D
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[21:12] <phil42> pihut says mine has already shipped
[21:14] <phil42> i hope it arrives in time for pi day
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[21:15] <charlie_> looking at the new pi zero w for pihole, is it possible for me to do the initial setup without a keyboard/mouse/monitor?
[21:15] <charlie_> and then just manage via ssh
[21:15] <phil42> make your changes on the sd card in another computer
[21:17] <oq> charlie_: it's possible, on raspbian you can configure wifi headless by putting a wpa_supplicant.conf file in the boot partition
[21:17] <leftyfb> I ordered mine through canakit though it took like 20 minutes to complete the order. They were getting slammed
[21:18] <oq> phil42: what time did you order?
[21:18] <phil42> earlier today, not sure what time
[21:19] <oq> I only ordered in the early afternoon because I missed the notification email in my spam
[21:19] <leftyfb> got a big raspberry jam coming up on pi day. I hope it all gets here. Might make a battery powered camera to stream live or something with the pi zero w
[21:19] <phil42> 7:28 am
[21:19] <oq> phil42: what's that in GMT?
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[21:20] <phil42> 1:28
[21:20] <oq> ah about the same time here
[21:20] <oq> mine hasn't shipped yet
[21:20] <charlie_> oq: great, thanks
[21:21] <oq> charlie_: you also need to put an empty file called ssh in the boot partition to turn on ssh
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[21:21] <charlie_> one other question, is it possible to power the zero from a usb port?
[21:21] <phil42> oq: when did that happen?
[21:21] <oq> phil42: couple months ago
[21:21] <oq> charlie_: yep
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[21:22] <oq> charlie_: one port is power only, one port is otg, which means it can act as both a host or a client
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[21:23] <oq> charlie_: oh sorry misread your question
[21:23] <oq> charlie_: yes you could power a pi from a computer usb port
[21:23] <charlie_> nice one, I should be able to power it from my router then. thanks for your help
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[21:23] <oq> *pi0
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[21:23] <phil42> pi 0 w will use more power
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[21:23] <phil42> faster clock, more hardware
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[21:24] <oq> the clock is the same as on the other pi0's
[21:24] <phil42> not what i heard
[21:24] <oq> 1ghz?
[21:24] <phil42> 0 w is 1ghz
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[21:24] <phil42> pi 0 is 700mhz
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[21:24] <oq> phil42: https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspberry-pi-zero/
[21:25] <oq> "1GHz ARM11 core (40% faster than Raspberry Pi 1)"
[21:26] <zZap-X> is the new pi zero compatible with existing pi zero hardware?
[21:26] <Ad0> how many cores?
[21:26] <oq> 1
[21:26] <oq> it's the same chip as the pi1
[21:26] <oq> just overclocked
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[21:45] <Habbie> zZap-X, yes
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[21:46] <zZap-X> ace
[21:46] <redrabbit> by the way when you want to use the gadget ethernet function to get internet from your pc
[21:46] <redrabbit> do you plug both usb ports to the pc or just power
[21:46] <redrabbit> (zero)
[21:47] <phil42> just the full usb one
[21:47] <zZap-X> one of the reasons why i like the rpi3 is that it uses real ethernet port, not something is connected to usb bus
[21:47] <redrabbit> zZap-X: didn't knew that
[21:47] <phil42> neither did i
[21:47] <redrabbit> wondering what the opi0 does for that
[21:47] <oq> zZap-X: wot
[21:48] <mfa298> zZap-X: the wired ethernet on all the B models is still via usb
[21:48] <redrabbit> i get full throughput from the lan
[21:48] <zZap-X> i think some of these small boards have pretend ethernet ports what use usb bandwidth
[21:48] <redrabbit> as long as i dont write to the card
[21:48] <redrabbit> 100mbps effectively
[21:48] <redrabbit> (same on the opi)
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[21:49] <redrabbit> would be cool to test it on a pi2
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[21:49] <Habbie> zZap-X, so does the pi3
[21:50] <redrabbit> i use wget and theses files http://ping.online.net/ but a local server would be better if you dont have 100mbps internet
[21:50] <redrabbit> this is confusing *-*
[21:50] <redrabbit> so usb ethernet or not ?
[21:51] <Habbie> all pi models that have an ethernet port
[21:51] <Habbie> have usb ethernet
[21:51] <mfa298> redrabbit: all the Pi B models have ethernet via the USB bus
[21:51] <zZap-X> eek :/
[21:51] <Habbie> why eek?
[21:51] <zZap-X> i guess it doesnt matter
[21:51] <Habbie> i haven't found it to be a bottleneck for me
[21:51] <Habbie> it can matter but it usually does not
[21:51] <zZap-X> yeah true
[21:51] <redrabbit> i'm fine with it as well
[21:51] <zZap-X> mine seems ok
[21:51] <Habbie> nfs over usb ethernet beats the SD for small file access
[21:52] <redrabbit> no doubt
[21:52] <redrabbit> i only get 1/3 of the lan speed for write
[21:52] <Habbie> linear write is okay on my SD
[21:52] <mfa298> the only network on certain pis that isn't over USB is the wifi on the PI3 and Zero-W, which is over SDIO which limits it to around 40mbps
[21:52] <Habbie> but random is not
[21:52] <redrabbit> for read it should be fair
[21:53] <Habbie> mfa298, theoretically somebody could connect an ethernet port to something other than USB but it would never be better :)
[21:53] <redrabbit> its probably not gonna hit 40mbps anyway
[21:53] <Habbie> i have found pi3 wifi to be fast enough that i didn't notice trouble
[21:54] <Habbie> using it as an AP for my mac
[21:54] <mfa298> I think I got the 40mbps that with an iperf test over wifi
[21:54] <oq> the problem with wifi is.. one slow device slows down the rest of the network
[21:54] <redrabbit> should be sweet with the new zero
[21:54] <mfa298> most people probably don't use most of the wifi bandwidth anyway.
[21:55] <redrabbit> gonna be able to fit a device of chaos in the tinyest form factor
[21:55] <mfa298> I rarely notice an issue with wifi speed and I'm still running a a/g AP mostly (going for stability over speed)
[21:55] <Habbie> redrabbit, yes, i bet this will hit the 8266 a bit in the maker market
[21:55] <mfa298> same with ethernet
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[21:55] <oq> mfa298: I have a nas.. and I definitely notice a problem with slow wifi
[21:56] <kieppie> ?ffmpeg
[21:56] <kieppie> !ffmpeg
[21:56] <redrabbit> oq: i remember something like that, its with B/G/N differences right?
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[21:56] <zZap-X> a NAS on wifi ?
[21:56] <zZap-X> never heard of that
[21:56] <oq> redrabbit: on the pi3 it's only 20mhz, so 72mbps MAX
[21:56] <redrabbit> probably wifi for the client
[21:56] <redrabbit> :D
[21:56] <zZap-X> hehe
[21:56] <redrabbit> nas on wifi seems like sadomasochistic
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[21:57] <oq> zZap-X: my nas is connected to my router via ethernet.. I connect to the router from my laptop via wifi
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[21:57] <zZap-X> ok
[21:57] <zZap-X> my rpi3 is for mpd only
[21:57] <zZap-X> running slackware arm 14.2
[21:57] <redrabbit> oq: do you have references about that "weak link" device runing the whole network
[21:58] <redrabbit> ruining*
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[21:58] <redrabbit> i have a metric ton of devices on that wifi, wouldnt want to ruin perfs
[21:59] <oq> redrabbit: when a wifi access point is sending out data it has to send it at the lowest supported data rate
[21:59] <redrabbit> there's dedicated 5ghz as well so i might use that for the security camera. should avoid lagging the other clients
[21:59] <redrabbit> oq: i heard that
[22:00] <redrabbit> but is it still true
[22:00] <redrabbit> that should have been adressed by now
[22:00] <redrabbit> i mean it a big flaw
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[22:01] <mfa298> I'm not sure slower clients affectint the overal speed have been such an issue since the early days of 802.11b on 11g networks
[22:02] <redrabbit> yes id second that
[22:02] <redrabbit> it surely exists
[22:02] <redrabbit> probably still a problem with old hardware
[22:02] <redrabbit> i have a router with wifi B/G around, ill test this this summer
[22:03] <redrabbit> when i have too much time
[22:05] <redrabbit> biggest effect i see on wlan speeds are : number of clients and mostly total throughput
[22:05] <redrabbit> of all the wifi around in the air
[22:05] <redrabbit> especially thoses near your frequency
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[22:06] <redrabbit> + other microwaves noise
[22:06] <mfa298> I wish more things have 5GHz radios built in
[22:06] <redrabbit> same
[22:06] <redrabbit> i only have 1 external adapter for it
[22:06] * mfa298 looks at the pi3 that keeps dropping off the wifi
[22:07] <redrabbit> tp-link archer-something
[22:07] <redrabbit> you need more AP's
[22:07] <redrabbit> run an AP near your pi ^^
[22:08] <mfa298> I've got 2 ap's goign now which helped.
[22:08] <mfa298> and there's less than 5m from pi to APs
[22:08] <redrabbit> walls ?
[22:08] <redrabbit> most likely crowded airwaves
[22:08] <oq> ethernet
[22:08] <redrabbit> to solve the problem, crowd more
[22:08] <redrabbit> :D
[22:09] <redrabbit> that's evil
[22:09] <mfa298> more a case of crowded airwaves, block of flats so lots of wifi networks around
[22:09] <redrabbit> yep i have the same issue at my sis's flat
[22:09] <redrabbit> gets awful wifi perfs
[22:09] <redrabbit> paris heh
[22:10] <redrabbit> way too much people .. and wifi
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[22:14] <redrabbit> im gonna take the drill and put from cable through these walls
[22:14] <redrabbit> no more wireless bs
[22:14] <mfa298> I think there's 11 other wifi networks I can see on the netbook, even one open one
[22:14] <redrabbit> i should had took a screenshot
[22:14] <oq> I have an app on my phone which shows how crowded each band is
[22:14] <redrabbit> there was so much i couldnt count
[22:14] <redrabbit> the scanner wall all bright
[22:14] <redrabbit> on a dark background
[22:14] <redrabbit> i have wifi analyser
[22:14] <redrabbit> what do you use
[22:14] <oq> same
[22:14] <redrabbit> its great
[22:14] <oq> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.vrem.wifianalyzer
[22:14] <redrabbit> mfa298: 11 isnt too bad
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[22:14] <redrabbit> that depends if your wifi is sensible or not though
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[22:14] <hho> Hi! Is there any faster mirror for archive.raspberrypi.org?
[22:15] * mfa298 considers just running an open wifi network with a 400W tx on it (I might even be legal with that setup)
[22:15] <redrabbit> id run cables
[22:15] <redrabbit> trouble saver
[22:16] <redrabbit> you would need the equipment on both end by the way
[22:16] <oq> I was thinking of using a pi to host an open wifi network that forced all browser access into a locally hosted irc chat
[22:16] <redrabbit> to make it efficient
[22:16] <oq> see if my neighbours would speak to me
[22:16] <redrabbit> that's a fun idea
[22:16] <oq> bit like a pirate box
[22:16] <redrabbit> you could plant theses all around the globe
[22:17] <mfa298> I've got a fair bit of stuff cabled already, but it get's a bit annoying with cables everywhere
[22:17] <mfa298> plus I keep running out of 5/7/10m ethernet cables
[22:17] <redrabbit> get a small switch
[22:18] <redrabbit> then use short cables
[22:18] <oq> mfa298: these are a godsend, https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51OxZ9SmWTL._SL1368_.jpg
[22:18] <mfa298> I've got three switches running already :)
[22:18] <redrabbit> hehe ^^
[22:18] <redrabbit> i regret picking a 5 port gigabit
[22:18] <redrabbit> at least i have a spare 100 around
[22:19] <kieppie> looking at Motion on RasPi, & see in docco's that ffmpeg is 'broken' in repo's
[22:19] <redrabbit> oq: link to buy?
[22:19] <kieppie> effectively deprecated in favour of libav
[22:19] <kieppie> can someone please inform be what the rationalle is behind this fork (I expect I now now the answer - multithreading) - but would like confirmation/correction of what I think I know.
[22:19] <kieppie> is inclusion of backports in sources enough, or does libav include the appropriate aliasing to not break backwards-compatibility?
[22:19] <mfa298> 5 port switch what are they? My main switch is 24port with PoE
[22:19] <oq> redrabbit: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B003Z8V8F0
[22:19] <redrabbit> mfa298: they are tiny
[22:20] <redrabbit> oq: interesting solution, ill look if i can find them in france
[22:20] <redrabbit> would be better than hot glue for sure
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[22:21] <redrabbit> that thing tends to get messy if you fail on the 1st try
[22:21] <oq> lol
[22:21] <mfa298> oq: I've got a bunch of this type of stuff http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTYwMFgxNjAw/z/0bEAAOSwAKxWbliY/$_3.JPG
[22:22] <oq> mfa298: running along the floor?
[22:22] <mfa298> but lots of cable runs (usaully bunch of coax between rooms for video/audio)
[22:22] <oq> redrabbit: velcro tape also helps a lot
[22:22] <mfa298> mostly across the floor/doorways and cables down the walls elsewhere
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[22:23] <oq> I mean not tape its uhhh
[22:23] <oq> just a roll of velcro to tie bundles of cables together that you can reuse
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[22:25] <mfa298> this stuff works well for bundling cables together http://www.wilko.com/content/ebiz/wilkinsonplus/invt/0343020/0343020_l.jpg
[22:26] <redrabbit> i could perfect my cable management here
[22:26] <redrabbit> its not too bad though
[22:26] <redrabbit> spent like a whole afternoon the other day
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[22:27] <atomi> can we chat about orange pis here too?
[22:27] <redrabbit> i have one atomi
[22:27] <redrabbit> the opi0
[22:27] <atomi> yeah the orange pi zero with 512mb looks appealing
[22:27] <oq> atomi: people were talking about them earlier soooo
[22:27] <redrabbit> atomi: its pretty good for the price
[22:27] <atomi> especially POE
[22:27] <redrabbit> there's the ZERO W as well
[22:28] <redrabbit> got out today
[22:28] <atomi> well yeah but armv6l is not going to last long
[22:28] <atomi> I give it a year before a lot of software starts deprecating support
[22:28] <oq> atomi: good thing everything is recompiled for raspbian then
[22:29] <redrabbit> im not that worried about that
[22:29] <redrabbit> i just use them today and its good
[22:29] <atomi> at least the orange pi zero is armv7l
[22:29] <mfa298> atomi: is that real PoE on the opi, i.e. If I connect it to my PoE switch pushing out 48V it'll work ?
[22:29] <atomi> and a lot of the tools I use are golang which I know won't be compiling on armv6l after 1.9
[22:30] <redrabbit> i have the orange pi zero and im waiting for two other zeros + a orange pi one
[22:30] <atomi> mfa298, it's actually passive POE, you'll need to drop it somehow to 5v
[22:30] <redrabbit> and a raspberry zero W as wel
[22:30] <mfa298> atomi: hmmm, I just saw "which means it is not compliant with the PoE and PoE+ standards. PoE switches do not negotiate the output voltage" as well
[22:31] * mfa298 goes to phone trading standards
[22:31] <atomi> mfa298, yeah
[22:31] <atomi> I'm still using the rpi1 to run gogs and drone
[22:32] <atomi> I might give some hope for an rpi4 a few months more
[22:32] <oq> think the pi4 is a ways out
[22:32] <mfa298> atomi: 2018 is earliest for Pi4
[22:32] <oq> they'd probably need to ditch the usb for power
[22:32] <atomi> yeah
[22:32] <mfa298> there's a sticky on the forums stating that
[22:32] <oq> not much more milliamps they can push through that micro usb at 5v
[22:33] <Habbie> oq, what features are you assuming that need more amps?
[22:33] <Habbie> oq, we're not really in milliamp territory anymore i'd say
[22:34] <oq> Habbie: just judging by previous releases
[22:34] <Habbie> atomi, as for deprecating support, i bet raspbian will support it for a long time
[22:34] <oq> every pi has been more power hungry
[22:34] <Habbie> oq, true, if you graph that, there's a clear trend that will hit a limit
[22:34] <oq> apart from the zeros
[22:34] <mfa298> atomi: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=172088#p1101327
[22:34] <Habbie> oq, of course
[22:34] <redrabbit> oq i hope the pi4 includes on board power management as well
[22:34] <redrabbit> to be able to run from a battery
[22:35] <oq> yeah
[22:35] <oq> like a c.h.i.p
[22:35] <Habbie> mfa298, oh wow, wasn't aware of that post by liz
[22:35] <redrabbit> turn the power sucker on when you need speed
[22:35] <Habbie> mfa298, i feel most in here were not aware
[22:35] <redrabbit> then back to low power mode
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[22:36] <mfa298> Habbie: it's only a sticky in the General discussion forum, really not obvious at all
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[22:36] <mfa298> I've posted that link a few times before when Pi4's have been discussed, but maybe not when you're around
[22:36] <Habbie> mfa298, ack
[22:36] <Habbie> mfa298, thanks for the timing in this case then
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[22:36] <oq> if it ain't a blogpost it ain't gonna be seen
[22:37] <mfa298> Eben did say with the Pi3 release it would be 2-3 years for the Pi4
[22:37] <Habbie> mfa298, i also managed to miss that
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[22:37] <Habbie> i have spread some statistical falsehoods then
[22:38] <mfa298> Liz doesn't often post on the forums, but when she does there's often some good stuff in them
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[23:24] <nmschulte> waveform, redrabbit; thank you both. do you know if e.g. raspivid or v4l is more performant/capable/ etc?
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[23:27] <swift110> hey all
[23:27] <swift110> does anyone have vlc compiled for their pi?
[23:28] <nmeum_> I want to debug the bootup of my kernel by connecting the raspberrypi to my computer using a serial. However, I don't see any early kernel message on the serial interface. The first output I see is the getty spawned by my linux distro after the bootup finished. Did anybody experience this before?
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[23:29] <nmschulte> swift110: I installed vlc from the apt repository; # aptitude install vlc
[23:29] <Simonious> nmeum: which raspi? if you've got one with an HDMI port that should all be visible there.
[23:30] <swift110> nmschulte, does it work with videos
[23:30] <nmschulte> That is a good question; I didn't run it, so I don't know. I assume as much, though.
[23:30] <nmeum> Simonious: rpi2. I don't want to use the HDMI port. That output should be visible on the serial interface as well, shouldn't it?
[23:30] <Simonious> yes, it should.
[23:30] <nmschulte> If you can tell me how to connect to the VNC server, swift110, I could test and let you know.
[23:30] <Simonious> nmeum: is it visible on the hdmi?
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[23:30] <swift110> nmschulte, I have never used vnc before so I am not much help there
[23:31] <nmeum> Simonious: yes
[23:31] <nmeum> that's whats so strange about it
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[23:33] <nmeum> I also tried to use u-boot to see if it is able to write to the serial console but u-boot doesn't write anything to the serial interface at all either
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[23:34] <Simonious> nmeum: that *is* a puzzle, I don't have time to confirm/test at the moment, but I think I've logged in over serial before
[23:34] <Simonious> nmeum: conspy isn't going to help you here either, right? Because it's early boot stuff you are after?
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[23:35] <Voop> just heard about the new zero
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[23:35] <nmeum> Simonious: yeah, conspy won't help
[23:35] <Simonious> Voop: yeah? same as the old one except with bluetooth wifi sprinkled on top. I've got an old one in front of me.
[23:36] <Simonious> honestly never powered it up... :/
[23:36] <Simonious> can I run linux on the zero?
[23:37] <Simonious> oh duh, yes
[23:37] <bantone> how much are the new zeros?
[23:38] <Voop> pixel runs like crap on it
[23:38] <Voop> $10
[23:38] <Simonious> well networking is a noteworthy missing part on the zero
[23:38] <Voop> its exactly the same they just added the boadcomm wifi / bluetooth hardware the pi3 has
[23:38] <Voop> nothing else was changed
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[23:38] <bantone> ah i see
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[23:38] <Voop> Simonious: dont even bother with chrominium on the zero
[23:39] * Simonious chuckles
[23:39] <Voop> older versions of jessie run fine on it
[23:39] <bantone> think my next pi project will be a 6 node cluster
[23:39] <Simonious> I'm tempted to put rasbian-lite on it
[23:39] <Simonious> and just use it for a handy shell
[23:39] <Voop> that would run fine
[23:39] <Simonious> which is what I'm doing now on a beagleboneblack
[23:39] <Voop> its 1ghz, 512mb ram
[23:40] <Voop> nothing to complain about
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[23:40] <Simonious> this chat session is on a perpetual screen session on the BBB
[23:40] <Simonious> I'm connected to it from three different machines right now
[23:41] <Voop> i use my zero for irc sometimes. its got a 2G modem hooked up
[23:41] * Simonious nods
[23:41] <Simonious> exactly
[23:41] <Voop> which is enough for irc and....
[23:41] <Voop> irc works on it
[23:41] <Voop> yeah
[23:41] <Simonious> is 2G free?
[23:41] <HrdwrBoB> Simonious: ...
[23:41] <Voop> its like $4/month for 100mb data
[23:41] <HrdwrBoB> nothing is free
[23:41] <Voop> from tmobile
[23:41] * Simonious nods
[23:41] <Chillum> 2G is a wireless data transfer protocol
[23:42] <Voop> there used to be ways to get free 2G
[23:42] <Voop> not sure if its still possible
[23:42] <Chillum> oh I see
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[23:42] <Voop> hi Chillum
[23:42] <Chillum> hi
[23:43] <Voop> i use an adafruit FONA
[23:43] <Voop> they make a 3G one but its bigger and costlier
[23:43] <Simonious> http://hackaday.com/2017/02/28/10-raspberry-pi-zero-w-the-w-means-wifi-bluetooth/ for those that haven't seen it
[23:44] <Voop> its not too exciting to look at heh
[23:44] <Voop> less a 'new pi' (what the article i read called it) and more a 'zero 2.0'
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[23:45] <Chillum> based on the prior naming conventions it should be called the Zero 2B+ or something absurd like that
[23:45] <shauno> pretty much as it describes itself. zero+wifi.
[23:47] <swift110> hmm
[23:48] <oq> zero 1.2, zero 1.3, zero w?
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[23:50] <mfa298> does that mean there'll be a buggy variation called 'zero me' next
[23:50] <oq> zero millenium edition?
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[23:51] <mfa298> I suppose we might have to wait ~80 years for that
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[23:59] <Chillum> that would be century addition
[23:59] <Chillum> more like 984 years
[23:59] <Chillum> edition that is

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